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Speaker 1: Live. This is Pet Life Radio.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk pets.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Human Animal Connection Show, where we believe

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we can communicate with all animals. Join us as we

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explore the thirty three principles and healing methods of the

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Human Animal Connection. As animal lovers, we know that you

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share our commitment to making the world a kinder place

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for all creatures. Together, let's embrace the transformative healing power

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of the Human Animal Connection.

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Speaker 3: Hello everyone, welcome to the Human Animal Connection Podcast. We

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have a very fun show today. I have a delightful

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person with me, Jordan Soccato, and she has started a

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program of giving homeless doggies booties, little booties to protect

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them from the heat.

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Speaker 2: And from the cold.

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Speaker 3: And you know and where she lives in Phoenix, Arizona.

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It can get very hot on the sidewalk in the summer.

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Speaker 2: And cold in the winter.

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Speaker 3: And thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so tell me the name of your organization and

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how you got started.

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Speaker 2: So, my name of my organization is Laws for Pause, LLC.

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And I started it after growing up volunteering with my

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mom at animal organizations. My mom has always taken me

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with her and I found a really deep connection in

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love with animals, and that brought me to the side

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of starting to recognize malpractices with animals. And that's when

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I decided that I needed to do something to make

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that change, to have better circumstances for dogs, cats, whatever

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it may be. And so I founded Laws for Pause, LLC.

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And we've been doing advocacy for animal welfare.

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Speaker 3: That's wonderful. That's wonderful, And one of your things that

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you've taken on is the notion of getting some help

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for homeless dogs. We see them with people and it's

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very sad, and they look kind of that so happy,

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you know, standing out there in the elements, And so

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what is you're doing for the dogs and how do

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you do it?

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Speaker 2: We established Bears Boots, and Bear's Boots is a fundraiser.

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We've been raising money to get dog boots for homeless

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pats on the street as long as well as care

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packages for their owners. These boots are so necessary because

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it is so hot and it can cause blistering and burning,

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and we've seen lethal consequences for animals out on the street.

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So my mom and I work with a partner organization,

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Dogsdale easy, and we distribute these boots with them in

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downtown Phoenix as well as my mom and I. We

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go out on the streets personally and distribute care packages

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and dog boots.

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Speaker 3: That's so wonderful. Now you're still in high school. What

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grade are you in? I have a sophomore, all right,

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getting there? Yeah, well, that's really beautiful that you have

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this mission. You know that you are drawn to help

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and be of service to people who really need help

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and to animals and the people. So that's really just

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a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, tell me maybe a story of

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a situation where you help somebody with some booties and

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kind of got to know them a little bit, and

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tell us all a story about that.

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Speaker 2: So I have met many people with good stories. One

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of them is a dog named Rosie, and I met

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her owner and we talked and she said that, you know,

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it's hard for her to be out on the street.

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She divorced from her husband a couple of years ago,

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and it wasn't necessarily her choice to go on the street,

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but she had no other option, and Rosie was her

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closest companion. So you know, they live together, do they

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do everything together, and when we were able to help

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pro vide for Rosie, you know, the owner's face is

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absolutely lit up and you can tell how much she

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loves and cares for her dog.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful. And how do you feel homeless dogs are doing

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in general? Are they getting enough food, are they getting

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enough water? What's the conditions like for them out there?

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Speaker 2: Obviously it's not perfect conditions, as it isn't with any

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form of living, and that's something that I would like

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to help improve. But in general, I would say that

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most homeless pet owners care for their pets more than

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they care for them. My mom and I we've approached

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people and they'll show us backpacks full of just dog

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treats instead of any human food.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful. Yeah, it's really beautiful. I know that a lot

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of people have mixed feelings. They see homeless people, don't

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give them money whatever, you know. But when I see

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people with dogs, I can't help, but I can and

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do you give them leashes and other things that they

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might need also or just the boot us?

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Speaker 2: So I do give them leashes, We give out harnesses,

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water in the care packages. And then right now we're

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running a drive specifically four items like that for Valentine's

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Day and that'll die into Bear's boots as well throughout

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the summer. That's great.

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Speaker 3: Now, have any of your classmates joined you on this

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mission or is this mostly you?

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Speaker 2: Well, So, since the attention has kind of been coming

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towards the organization, like getting posted on my district's like

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announcements and stuff, a bunch of people have reached out

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to me and they're like, I'd love to volunteer with you.

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I'd love to help, so, especially for upcoming stuff I

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and having support from a lot of my classmates, which

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Speaker 3: That's wonderful. Yeah, and it gives them, you know, a

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sense of purpose too to help and get involved. And

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you know, even if they're not the kind of people

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that would start their own organization, to jump on board

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with another organization that's already in motion. You know, not

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everybody has to start their own organization. We don't want

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people that feel like they have to. There's so many

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good organizations doing good work who need volunteers. So that's

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really great that you can provide that opportunity for people

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to give something back to the community.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited to work with them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, if you had I mean you probably hear,

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you know, about legislation that's going on. If you could

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wave your wand you say laws for pause, what are

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some of the laws that you would like to see

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enacted that would help the situation.

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Speaker 2: I would say this is kind of a touchy subject

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because you can't require everyone to have dog boots out

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on the street. But I would say maybe providing mandatory

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things when people come into court or when people are

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placed in jail and they have pets, you know, maybe

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giving out a mandatory water, food, something like that that

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could help improve their conditions and the pets conditions. I

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would love to see a world where you know, you

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would have to walk with dog boots outside on the street,

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But I just I don't know if that's ever feasible,

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but that's definitely a dream condition.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And what are your what's your you do you

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have a career in mind? Do we love? What's your

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direction that you're going to pursue as as an adult?

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You doing wonderful things as a as a soft foreign

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ice COVID what what what would you like to be

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when you grow up?

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Speaker 2: I obviously I want to continue my work with animals

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for the rest of my life and I know that

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set in Stone. I have always wanted to be a lawyer.

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I would love to do something like criminal justice and

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just advocacy for those who may not be able to

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speak or you know, have a mental disability. That's also

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pretty much my life's purpose, as well as advocating for animals.

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So honestly, anything where I'm put in a position where

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I can help others, I would happy to be a

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there's a movement trying to get animals out

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of the category of property and into the notion that

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animals have rights as do people. You know, have you

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been following along with that.

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Speaker 2: I actually did not know about that, and now that

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I would love to look into that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really rare. I think it's called the Non

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Human Animal Rights Project. Yeah, they've done some really good work.

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I mean, it's very slow going. It's not like they've

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been able to because it's a pretty big issue to say, Yeah,

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to go from the notion that we currently have that

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animals are property and you know that they have no

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rights independent that if they're in bad situations, you know,

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just the whole notion of what if we viewed animals

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as you know, beings, with rights and how would that

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change the way they're treated in society. So it's a

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really interesting thing to look into. So yeah, I hope

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you'll you'll you'll check them out and see how you

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can get involved. Yeah, there's just so much that Yeah,

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there's just so much that needs to be done. But

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I love the idea that you picked just something small

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and manageable, you know what I mean, like getting getting

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booties for dogs that don't have them, You know what

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I mean. There's it's so sometimes the issues seem so

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overwhelming and so big, but to break it down to say, well,

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what can we do the one thing that this daily

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experience of standing on the corner could How could we help? Well,

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booties would help, water would help, a leash would help,

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you know, to just to just look at the just

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what is one thing we can do as a very

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brilliant strategy. I think congratulations for maybe that, because it

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can feel overwhelming for those of us who have a

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heart for animals, It's like where do we start? You know,

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the situation is so so drastic, you know, with with

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the you know every ninety seconds and animals killed in

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a shelter. You know, it just it can be really overwhelming,

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passion and where you can do something and get involved,

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you know, get others, because I think that's really imports

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not to be a lone wolf in this process. I'm

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not saying you are. You're You're obviously not doing that.

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You're working when your mom, I'm with your friends and

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other people are finding out about you. How can people

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get in touch with you if they want to support

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you in some way or another.

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Speaker 2: Any way to get in touch with me and any

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resources that you would need is through a website Laws

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forpase dot org or on any of our social media's

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which is all Laws for Pause Arizona.

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, And what are some of your plans that

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you'd like to do this year? Do you have any

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new goals for this year?

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Speaker 2: Here?

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Speaker 3: We are just starting the year here.

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Speaker 2: I do one of them, and this is a bigger project.

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I've been working with Senator John Cavanaugh and the Animal

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Defense League of Arizona for the past two years and

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we are working on legislation to pass a ban on

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the sale of animal cosmetically tested products within Arizona. And

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this is such a big issue to me because it's

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pioneering the fact that you know, no animal testing should

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be anywhere, and that's what the goal with this bill is.

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Along with this, we are working on a Valentine's Day

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drive like I mentioned earlier, We're doing toys and then

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care packages for those in the streets as well as

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we will be continuing Bears Boots into the summer.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful, wonderful. Yeah, the whole thing with animal research is

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so horrible, you know. I mean, first of all, you know,

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the animals are often kept in captivity with no contact

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with their other members of their species, which is you know, torture.

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I mean that like the worst thing we can do

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to humans in prison, put them in solitary refinement, and

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we do that to animals, so that you know, it's

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just inhumane on that very most basic social level. But

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then it's also inhumane of course in terms of the methods.

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And what makes it even more tragic is that ninety

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eight percent of the products that test safe on animals

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don't end up being safe for humans. So the whole

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notion is misguided. You know, we really have to educate people,

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and especially now have you heard of an organization called

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now as National Anti Vivissection Society, and yes, yeah, well

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they have really they are like supporting graduate students who

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are coming up with alternative testing methods, you know, like

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computer testing methods and and other other things. So it's

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not anti science. You know, we certainly want to be

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able to support science and we want research. We definitely

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want that, but we don't want to do it in

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a way that hurts animals.

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Speaker 2: And you know that.

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Speaker 3: People need to be especially the cosmetic there's actually no

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law that says that the cosmetics have to be tested

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Speaker 2: They just do it, you know, in certain countries. It's

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not go in America.

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to you know, the consumers have to take a stand

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by not buying products. You know, we need to buy

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products that say not tested on animals. You know, that's

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something that we need to change the culture. So when

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you talk to like people your age, do they understand

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these issues about animal testing. Is that something they're aware

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of with cosmetics or they is it like what.

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just putting makeup on dogs and cats and like seeing

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how it looks. And I have to have I've had

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to like inform a bunch of people that that is

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not what animal testing is. Animal testing goes so much

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deeper into that. I've explained my personal research methods. I've

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shown them companies that do test it and don't test

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it with cruelty, the leaping bunny, with Cuilty Free International.

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but I think that a lot of people are very

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blindsided when they hear it, Like, what do you mean

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it's not you know, putting mascara on a dog, and

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it's injecting needles into animals.

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and the you know, trapped bunnies and you know, they're

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putting things into their eyes. That it's just it's not

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anything that should be done. And the sooner we can

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get people to punch, you know, it has to start

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with the public. It has to start. I mean, of

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course we have to work at the at the level

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level of legislation, but as long as the pub is

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not aware and continues to buy products that use these methods,

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it's never going to get anything. We have to get

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people educated. So it's just wonderful that you are in

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that process. And when you explain that to people, do

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they say, Okay, I'm committed, I'm not going to buy

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those products anymore, or do they just keep buying them?

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the products that they're buying. I personally use all cruelty

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free makeup and know a lot of my friends do

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as well. But I also know a lot of my

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friends that don't. So I think it's based on the

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person's personal view on how big the issue is and

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what they decide to do with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, how do you talk to them? Do you

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talk to them about cruelty? Do you talk to them

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about ethic?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: What's your angle to get people who are not aware

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to be aware?

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Speaker 2: I come from more of a moral angle, you know.

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Do you have pets? Can you imagine this happening to

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your pet? I also explain I try to stay logical

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with it, and I kind of explain, this is what

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it is, this is what can be done to stop it,

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and this is a substitute for it as well as

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the you know, you know it's coming from a place

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of your heart, that's why you need to change this

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and so I kind of like to cater to my

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audience if I have a friend who's more based on

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logic more a friend who's based more on emotion, or

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someone who's both.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very good because you know, you want to

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be able to adjust the message in a way that's

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going to land, you know, because there's no more It

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isn't one size fits all when it comes to messaging,

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and so it's wonderful that you're aware of that. And

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some people will, you know, just show them the picture

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of that bunny and that horrible contraption they put them in,

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or the chimpanzees, you know, the ugh, you know, and

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that's enough. But other people need to really understand the basics.

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And I think when you tell people that ninety eight

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percent of the tests are don't prove anything anyway, and

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all these animals have been subjected to it for no

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good reason, that's not science to me. I mean like that,

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you know, science should be like, Okay, this isn't working,

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Let's try something else, you know what I mean. So, yeah, well,

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I'm so glad you're doing this work. We need to

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take a really short love break when we come back.

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I want to hear some more of the stories that

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have really keep your heart pumping when you're doing this

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pretty difficult work. So we'll be right back in just

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a moment.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk pets on Petlifradio dot com.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Human Animal Connection. I'm your host,

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Genie Joseph, and I'm speaking with Jordan's soccato, and she

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is a sophomore in high school, and she's created her

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own organization, laws for Pause, and she's doing all kinds

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of wonderfuful, wonderful advocacy work for not only pets, but

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the people who have them, especially people who are homeless

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and with homeless animals. So sometimes I would imagine that

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you approach someone and they're not sure, you know, like

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you know, I'm sure they get approached by people who

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want something. You know, I don't know, they just maybe

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don't trust anybody that comes. So tell us a story

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of how somebody that initially didn't trust you and that

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grew to trust you.

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Speaker 2: I have met people where they will walk away, they

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will shut off, they will be terrified because or they

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will ask me straight up, are you going to take

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my pet? And that is the reason why they're so terrified,

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because they think that we are there to, you know,

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remove this pet from them, when in reality, we are

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here to help their pet. So I have built connections

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with many homeless people just kind of by talking explaining

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what I do with my mom and with partner organizations,

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and I've watched I can't even count the amount of

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people's faces go from absolutely dull and lifeless with you know,

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no flu on what's going to happen next, to just

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absolutely glowing and grateful. And that is one of my

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favorite things to see on people, when you see the

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true gratefulness in their face once we give them the

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care that they need, because that opens them up to

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starting to ask other resources. Some will ask can you

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help with medical care? Can you help with rehoming? And

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that's where we can go further on.

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Speaker 3: That's wonderful. Do you have like a little shirt you

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wear or something they know that you're not like ane

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laws for pause? Yeah, that's great. And does that happen

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to homeless people that their animals are taken from them?

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find animals and keep them and then they'll wake up

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and they're stolen or someone has confiscated it. And it's

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very scary having a pet that you just now found,

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or maybe a longtime companion be torn away from you

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not knowing what happens to them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is just awful. That is awful to think about. Well,

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how do you stay happy, you know, given you know

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when you're when you're in the presence of such suffering,

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and you know you can't just wave your wand and

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fix it all. But what keeps you going? What keeps

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you from taking taking, you know, like taking it so

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to heart that your heart gets strained? How do you stay?

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How do you manage that?

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I'm not going to do it, who else will? And

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I think that being able to withstand the suffering and

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see the conditions that these people are in, it grows

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my heart to help more because I know that I

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have the ability, because I'm so blessed with this organization,

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to help them. And that is exactly what I believe

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my purpose is to do. It's wonderful, it's really terrific,

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it's really terrific, excellent. And so when when you when

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you find people with you know there some of them

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took their pets with and they left maybe a situation

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of domestic violence or something situation it was dangerous. And

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I know one of the big challenges is that shelters,

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most of the shelters will not take people with pets.

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So people with pets, if they have to leave a

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dangerous situation, they have to just take their pet. Yeah,

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what can they do to make life on the streets

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easier while having a pet? How can they how can

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they do better? I mean just one thing? What else

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could they do? What else do they need? So there

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are countless organizations that we work with that are willing

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to help with nail clippings. They'll neuter and spay your pet.

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There's trimmings dogs down a z I know does nail

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clipping specifically. I just thought of that. People will set

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up feed stations where you can receive food and supplies

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for you and your pets, you know, toothbrushes. I know

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that there are some places that have free showers and bathrooms.

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Taking the opportunity to take advantage of that is going

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to be the best bet, as well as reaching out

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to organizations that you may think can help. You know,

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I need supplies this way, you know, can you send

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someone over to me? Things like that will make your

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life much easier.

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Speaker 3: And you mentioned you. I mean that's a big part

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of it is just letting people know that resources are there.

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They may not know, you know, so if you can

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just say, hey, you know, go here, you need this,

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you need that, and get other other organizations involved. Have

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other organizations taken you seriously and.

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Speaker 2: Helped you or yes, I was surprised about this because

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I thought that nobody would take me seriously because of

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my age. But within the nonprofit animal nonprofit community, everyone

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has been so welcoming and they are gracious to accept

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donations and to help us and give us donations and

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you know, feed supplies to someone on the streets that

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might need it. And I am just eternally grateful for

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everyone that has been so nice about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's just it really looks like a win

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win all the way around. Well, I want, is there

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one story you want to leave us with that really

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touched your heart, That an experience of working with someone

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out there on the street with an animal, and how

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you were able to turn things around in some way

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for them.

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Speaker 2: So I've met people that are so incredibly down that

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they are considering, you know, maybe ending their life or

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you know, committing some form of harm that might not

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be good to them or their pet. And my mom

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and I personally, we have been able to talk to

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people like that and go, okay, well we have resources

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for you and options for you to make this a

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better situation. And then when people take those resources and

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you can see that they're making a genuine change. That's

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probably one of the most touching things I've been able

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to see, seeing someone's perspective on life change just by

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knowing that there is help out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's beautiful. Has anyone ever said to you please

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take my pet? I can't manage it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have people reach out to us all the time.

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We have rescued pets, but we can't obviously intake pets

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constantly because I do work out of my house with

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my mom. So we will get in touch with other

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shelters or fosters and find resources for that person to

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get the pet rehomes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great, excellent. Well, how can people get a hold

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of you and find you and help you.

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Speaker 2: You can reach out to us at lawsfopause dot org,

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or you can reach out to us on any of

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our social media's and they're all laws for Pause Arizona.

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Our primary social media is our Facebook and Instagram.

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Speaker 3: Great, so that's laws laws four Pause Ye, Laws four

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Pause fowr Yes spilled out. Well, I wish you the

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best of luck. It is beautiful work. That you're doing.

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You're truly an inspiration and I know that you're helping

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other people find their pathway to a sense of purpose too.

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So thank you for everything that you're doing, and thank

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you for being a guest on The Human Animal Connection.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: All Right, we'll say bye for now and we'll see

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you in the next episode.

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