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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics

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<v Speaker 1>Very Special with Mark poly Moropolis and myself Dmitri on

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<v Speaker 1>Tacos All Greeks today. Uh so, no, no, no outsiders.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark of course, former c I A officer, frequent guests

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<v Speaker 1>of the team, hands freaking guests of Eyes on Geopolitics,

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<v Speaker 1>M S M M S. NBC correspondence. Sorry, I can

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<v Speaker 1>never get that right. Uh Mark, what's up man? How

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<v Speaker 1>are you? Good to see you again?

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<v Speaker 2>Good to be here. It's been a wild week in

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<v Speaker 2>the in the Middle East, a place where I spend

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<v Speaker 2>most of my career, and uh, I mean, so many

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<v Speaker 2>things to talk about, from you know, iron nuclear talks,

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<v Speaker 2>to the new Air Force one I guess, Israel being sidelined,

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<v Speaker 2>Syria back into yeah, the you know, the the world arena.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, if people who know me, I think

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<v Speaker 2>probably your audience does some of these moves the US

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<v Speaker 2>is doing and the Trump administration I actually support, which

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<v Speaker 2>which I'll probably be stricken down for saying that, but

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<v Speaker 2>you but but ultimately a wild, wild week and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's let's talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, So we kicked off Trump's doing the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East visit he's visited Saudi Arabia, he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to Qatar, he's in he left Katar, now he's

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<v Speaker 2>in the UA.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so he's doing like the rounds interestingly enough, and

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<v Speaker 1>people I've seen it in the news a bit like

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of some rough old feathers that he's not

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<v Speaker 1>visiting Israel. And this comes at the heels of the

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<v Speaker 1>American Israeli hostage I was released last week or this

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<v Speaker 1>week that was kind of done. Seems outside of Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>like just bilaterally with the US and Hamas. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure Israel is kind of bristling at the seams

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<v Speaker 1>because they have, let's be honest, they don't really outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the Trump administration or America as a whole, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't really have many allies in terms of what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on in Gaza generally. So yeah, I mean there's so

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<v Speaker 1>many places to start. I mean, the thing that just

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<v Speaker 1>broke right now while Trump's in the Middle East is

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna mess up his name. Barack Ravine from Axios

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<v Speaker 1>had to scoop about the jick POA the Nuclear Deal

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<v Speaker 1>two point zero because it's essentially a carbon copy of

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<v Speaker 1>Obama's back in twenty and fifteen or seventeen, one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's been a lot of talk, we've had mixed

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<v Speaker 1>been on and he's been talking about it too, like

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<v Speaker 1>at some point the Trump administration was gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>give up some ground in terms of whether it's in

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<v Speaker 1>Richmond or whatever, you know, whatever the deal points were

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<v Speaker 1>to get an actual deal. And I'm sure it's not

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<v Speaker 1>sitting great with Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. So this thing is so interesting because you have

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<v Speaker 2>to remember, you know, Republican foreign policy orthodoxy was that

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<v Speaker 2>the j c poa Obama's agreement with Iran, that was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the worst deal in US diplomatic history. Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>on the hill, both the House and the Senate, every

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<v Speaker 2>Republican presidential candidate, and of course even President Trump railed

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<v Speaker 2>against the deal in Trump then pulled us out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So now it comes under the new you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump two point zerother Trump administration way, where the

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<v Speaker 2>last several months they've been a lot of tough talk

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<v Speaker 2>about potential strikes on the Iranian nuclear facilities, where we

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<v Speaker 2>moved but a third of our B two fleet of

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five squadrons. There's two carrier battle groups in the

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<v Speaker 2>Red Sea there work, and so it looked like we

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<v Speaker 2>were gearing up for a strike in the Israelies, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>believe this is something seriously to consider because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Iran has been so weakened. The Irunian air defenses there

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<v Speaker 2>I think there is four hundred systems were disabled, were

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<v Speaker 2>greatly degrade from previous Israeli strikes. And of course his Bulah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the Iranian proxy, which in essence was an

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<v Speaker 2>aircraft carrier sitting on Israeli's border, on Israel's border, that

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<v Speaker 2>has been degraded as well. So the time was right

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<v Speaker 2>to take a shot at the Iranian nuclear program, which

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<v Speaker 2>is an existential threat to Israel. But then all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, we have to remember that Donald Trump during

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<v Speaker 2>the campaign and the Magabase really was very vocal about

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<v Speaker 2>no more Middle East wars, no more never ending wars.

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<v Speaker 2>The Tucker Carlson's and the JD Vance's of the world

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<v Speaker 2>were absolutely opposed. Tulsea Gabbard as well, absolutely opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>the US military action in Iran. And so Trump now

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<v Speaker 2>has decided to go forward with the nuclear talks with

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranians, to the absolute horror of the Israelis, against

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<v Speaker 2>all the kind of the Iran hawks in Congress, to

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<v Speaker 2>many of the think tanks in Washington, DC, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the pro Israel thing tanks. And so ultimately you have

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of mind boggling moment in which it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like and NBC reported it today as the The Wall Street

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<v Speaker 2>Journal that we might be getting close to an agreement

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<v Speaker 2>which does d as you said, very much resemble the

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<v Speaker 2>original JCPOA. This is causing, you know, my head to

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<v Speaker 2>explode a little bit. But again, if you think back,

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<v Speaker 2>forget Trump's rhetoric during the campaign, just think about the

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<v Speaker 2>magabase and the desire for no more, never ending Middle

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<v Speaker 2>East commitments and wars. And so we're at a point

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<v Speaker 2>now where uh, and this is gonna, you know, probably

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<v Speaker 2>enrage some of the listeners here, our viewers here. And

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<v Speaker 2>certainly I said it the other day, I think on

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<v Speaker 2>social media. I don't know if I did it on

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<v Speaker 2>MSNBC hit, but Trump's kind of following the Biden foreign

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<v Speaker 2>policy when it comes to Iran sure pretty extraordinary. My

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<v Speaker 2>friends in Israel and the Israeli intelligence community, their heads

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<v Speaker 2>are about to explode. I think again, some of the

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<v Speaker 2>pro Israel folks in Congress are on suicide watch right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I could just imagine what's going on in Lindsay

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<v Speaker 1>Graham's office. Funck.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean so and but you know what, you know, Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is not only so again, he's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he wants a Nobel prize. He thinks this

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<v Speaker 2>is you know that, this is this is what he

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<v Speaker 2>craves the most. And it's interesting. He does have the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to go against many people in his orbit, although

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<v Speaker 2>not of course the Magabase. And so we'll see. The

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<v Speaker 2>question will be will the Republicans rally around? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be funny the hip hop. So there's two

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<v Speaker 2>parts of this d One is the substance of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we actually commit to strike on the Iranian facilities

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<v Speaker 2>or do a deal? And we can debate that all day.

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<v Speaker 2>The other is the hypocrisy on the Republican side, which

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<v Speaker 2>is which I find. I want to pop you know,

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<v Speaker 2>popcorn and crack a beer open because it's such utter

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<v Speaker 2>bullshit if any Republican is going to back this diplomatic

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<v Speaker 2>agreement because it is a Obama slash Biden policy. In

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<v Speaker 2>my view, I'm actually one of the iron Haawks. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I can't remember where mc mulroy is in

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<v Speaker 2>this too. But I think this would be a good

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<v Speaker 2>time to take a shot at the Iranian nuclear program

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<v Speaker 2>because I think this is not only an existential threat Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>but also the United States as well. You've got to

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<v Speaker 2>remember that the Iranians have been the response for the

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<v Speaker 2>deaths of numerous Americans and we're trying to kill former

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration officials and Trump himself he's pointing to sign

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<v Speaker 2>a deal. So really kind of head spinning stuff going

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<v Speaker 2>on when it comes to this, and I find it

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<v Speaker 2>hard sometimes as a commentator to separate that. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to point out the hypocrisy all the time, sure of

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican on this with actually, then let's debate the

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<v Speaker 2>merits of should there be a nuclear deal or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I was always I've been a hawk all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we should consider a strike. It should

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<v Speaker 2>be a US joint US IS really strike. But let

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<v Speaker 2>me tell you that's off the table now. So the

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<v Speaker 2>Israelis just have to consider are they going to take

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<v Speaker 2>a crack at it on their own risk, infuriating Trump

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<v Speaker 2>or just deal with a bad situation like they did

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<v Speaker 2>under the Obama administration. But pretty amazing, uh, change of events.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm gonna be honest, I disagree with you in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of like let's smoke all right, because number one,

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<v Speaker 1>what does it really do even if we hit him

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<v Speaker 1>with our big boy bunker busters, like the whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>MOP fifty seven at GBU fifty seven, like they said, like,

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<v Speaker 1>it probably only bring back the program three to six months, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And Israel kind of needs us because they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>that if they could make it, Like a perfect scenario

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<v Speaker 1>for me would be like in the deal, there's some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of language for proxy forces that can be monitored,

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<v Speaker 1>and like that'll be a step up from the first agreement.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about, Like what's bombing Iran going to

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<v Speaker 1>do for us?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's not by I mean, it's hitting the strikes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, Yeah, we're not going to.

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<v Speaker 2>War with Iran. It would be it would be kind

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<v Speaker 2>of very pinpointed strikes. But you raise a good point

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<v Speaker 2>is there's other parts of what a deal could include,

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<v Speaker 2>which would be the Iranian support of their proxy forces,

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<v Speaker 2>the region of Runnie and missile production in what in

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<v Speaker 2>the reporting that I've seen, I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 2>included again, which is going to make it one's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of head explode if I didn't see it, iron Hawk.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that ultimately Trump wants a deal enough in

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<v Speaker 2>which he's going to agree to something which is going

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<v Speaker 2>to look very similar to.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, but he's going to take credit and say it's

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<v Speaker 1>way better and he.

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<v Speaker 2>Done, and Democrats are going to have the Democrat so

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to get some Democratic support for this too.

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<v Speaker 2>The irony, of course, is that this is the Democratic

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<v Speaker 2>Party would have supported a president Kamala Harris, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>if she had gone down this road.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really it's really Republicans would no, yeah, right right, possible, No,

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<v Speaker 2>So this really throws everything up in the air. But

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<v Speaker 2>we also have to think think about what's happened. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>destroy the Hoothies. And after a month, Trump got bored

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<v Speaker 2>because we burned through a billion dollars of ordinance, we

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<v Speaker 2>now we're done and declared to cease fire with the

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<v Speaker 2>Hoothies and leaving everybody hanging out to dry other, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Israel Again, Hoothis are still shooting stuff off at these Raelies.

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<v Speaker 2>And we don't even know if this kind of cease

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it does. I think it's just American assets.

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<v Speaker 2>And so so again Trump going against kind of every

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<v Speaker 2>advice of certainly the US military, and ultimately uh kind

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<v Speaker 2>of never of no more, never ending wars in the region.

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<v Speaker 2>of an adjunct up there in that Boklyn. Yes, but

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<v Speaker 2>but ultimately, uh, you know, people are people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so so as literally sentcom on their social media and

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<v Speaker 2>the homicidal, hoothy terrorists. Now we just pack up and leave. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>We're done. So how do you I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard. It's hard for someone to support these these

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<v Speaker 2>flips switches and then and then let's also throw in

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<v Speaker 2>what you mentioned before. Okay, so now the war in Gaza, well,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump seems to be getting sick of bebe Yahu, the

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli Prime Minister. Somehow someone has gotten to him finally

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<v Speaker 2>with the notion about the horrific humanitarian conditions there, which

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<v Speaker 2>is actually a fact. I mean, there's a strange kind

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<v Speaker 2>of current in Washington that's that that kind of defends

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<v Speaker 2>the Israeli behavior there, which is indefensible in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>civilian casualties. I think they've gone way overboard. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>a friend of Israel my whole career. We're closely with them,

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<v Speaker 2>but the idea of killing fifty thousand Palestinians is is

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<v Speaker 2>a bit extreme. And then then ultimately the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not solving the Gaza issue, well, Trump is now annoyed.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we had five American hostages that presumably one

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<v Speaker 2>has just been the one living one has been released,

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<v Speaker 2>but we did it by going behind the Israelis back.

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<v Speaker 2>These found about it from their own intel collection, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they're furious about that too. Again because I think

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<v Speaker 2>what Trump sees dangling in front of them. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the way to describe Trump now is he's doing some

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<v Speaker 2>some right, some of the right things for all the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong reasons. It's not because of you know, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>love the Palistin right, and so I think he wants

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<v Speaker 2>to go Abel prize. Uh and again, so some daylight there.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the final piece is on Syria, on normalizations,

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<v Speaker 2>a country which I know really well I lived there,

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<v Speaker 2>is served there. There was a huge argument to be

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<v Speaker 2>made that we have to have to re engage with

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<v Speaker 2>Syria to drop these drop these sanctions. These were third

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<v Speaker 2>party sanctions. So ultimately the US, by doing this will

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<v Speaker 2>allow Syria to reintegrate into the kind of the global

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<v Speaker 2>financial system with aid reconstruction coming in. You know, right now,

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<v Speaker 2>ninety percent of Syrians live below the poverty line. Damascus

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<v Speaker 2>says about an hour of electricity every day. And if

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<v Speaker 2>become another state sponsor of terrorism, another safe haven, you

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<v Speaker 2>do this. You let them become a failed state.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is obvious.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think what I read in the National Review

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<v Speaker 2>my old was really pushing for engagement. There's people in

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<v Speaker 2>the National Security Council Seb Gorka, who's certainly an extremist

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<v Speaker 2>I think, was wishing against this. And Trump overruled his

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<v Speaker 2>own NSC and on this trip said I'm given a

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<v Speaker 2>favorite to Muhammed bin Salman, the Saudi ruler. Sure we're

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<v Speaker 2>dropping all sanctions again. Everyone's head in DC exploded. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it really.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't much like lead up to it, right, And it

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<v Speaker 1>was also like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna meet al Shaa too.

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<v Speaker 2>Unbelievable. And then he says, you know, I shot it

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<v Speaker 2>was someone who you know, I call him Al Kaita, curious,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was a member of her sham, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>certainly an al Qaeda affiliate, imprisoned, bias released, fought US forces,

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump on Air Force one the other day I

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<v Speaker 2>Like imagine Joe Biden saying that, No, forget, but again,

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<v Speaker 2>Did it for the wrong reasons, but the right policy.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, and again that is something the Israelies

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<v Speaker 2>were not pushing. They were very suspicious and in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>there's been incredible Israeli military activity.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which we haven't really spoken about much. You see

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of blurbs here in there on Twitter and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, but it's not really reported that that frequently.

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<v Speaker 2>So so again this maybe I should have said this

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<v Speaker 2>in the beginning of my theme on this. This is

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<v Speaker 2>like a strangely biden Esque foreign policy, you know, caution

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<v Speaker 2>in Yemen, re engaging with Syria, pushing bb for a

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<v Speaker 2>settlement in Gaza, getting a hostage home by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>Biden administration, uh throughout there kind of into the into

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<v Speaker 2>all the Republicans went crazy, so they didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally a JCPOA. So all of a sudden, Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>pursuing policies which on every single level are against traditional

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<v Speaker 2>Republican orthodoxy. But you can also make the argument, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it does fall in line with that mega notion of

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<v Speaker 2>of isolationism, you know, getting out of the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>And in fact, Trump's speech in Saudi Arabia was pretty

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<v Speaker 2>extraordinary because it was definitely an isolationist. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he was talking about our intervention and interventionists. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean so pretty wide. I kind of understand that

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. I'm not saying like, oh, we remove

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<v Speaker 1>all presence of like Special operations and CIA, obviously, like

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do what we're gonna do, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>just how it goes. And if people think differently, they're

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<v Speaker 1>fucking naive, right, Like that's the business, that's what we do, right,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what every country really does. So yeah, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty hardcore like anti interventionist and like foreign wars,

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<v Speaker 1>which I can kind of get behind, but like I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a balance to be struck there that I

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I think there's a difference between the rhetoric of

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<v Speaker 2>that speech and then what he's doing actually in the region.

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<v Speaker 2>You can make an argument that we actually are a present.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're bombing the Hoothi's for fifty one you

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<v Speaker 2>But but you know, there is engagement, so inter you know,

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<v Speaker 2>isolationist means non engagement. So but we are right, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just with kind of following the old Democratic playbook. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's it's a it's fascinating. I think that one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things and this is it's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>worth discussing. And I thought, you know we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about this morning on MSNBC as well, is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for those of us who've been big critics of the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration, you know, you are now faced with some

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<v Speaker 2>things that he's doing that you actually might support, So

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<v Speaker 2>you got to kind of put out aside. So what

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<v Speaker 2>I have to do is called balls and strikes the

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<v Speaker 2>way I see it. And when he does something that

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<v Speaker 2>I think is right, I got to say that, Yeah, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to dissect why he did that. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the wrong reasons. He's doing the right things. But

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<v Speaker 2>some of these policies I think are are are smart,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, in particular on on Syria and also

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<v Speaker 2>has got to end. It's it's like, it's ridiculous, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be real, like there's elements of BB's government that

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<v Speaker 1>want to wipe it all out. Right, Let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it's it's getting to the point now where

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<v Speaker 2>and again I think President Trump has recognized that, you

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<v Speaker 2>know enough already the humanitarian suffering. There was article i

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<v Speaker 2>think yesterday in the New York Times quoting for senior

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli intelligence or the military officials talking about pending famine

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<v Speaker 2>in Gaza, like this just can't happen anymore. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>again to to, I think we're coming to a point

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<v Speaker 2>where there's going to be a break on Gaza, a

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<v Speaker 2>full break with Israel hones, and then these Raelies are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to decide what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>To the credit of ma Israeli friends, they want this

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<v Speaker 2>thing to end as well, there is no you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because there is no endgame in Gaza. And here's here,

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<v Speaker 2>d is that is something that I think that that

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<v Speaker 2>listeners will will certainly understand. You know, you see President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump with Mohammed bin Salman and with Ahman Shada, this

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<v Speaker 2>new Syrian president in such an easy kind of next frame,

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<v Speaker 2>prim miiter Nanya. I'm sorry, prim miiter Natya who they are?

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<v Speaker 2>Because if the Israelis had agreed to any type of

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<v Speaker 2>day after in Gaza, any type of future Palestinian entity

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<v Speaker 2>and call it a state or not, but something. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much push for this normalization agreement between Israel

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<v Speaker 2>and Saudi Arabia, and the Saudis want it, and but

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<v Speaker 2>they need progress in the Palestinian issue. But who's in

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<v Speaker 2>transigence on this and the crazies on the right who

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thwart him from doing anything on the Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 2>He could have been there, And I think that missed

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity is now dawning on Israelis. If you read the

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli press, which I certainly do, and I have friends

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<v Speaker 2>again in the Israeli security establishment, they all they're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at this and saying, holy shit, we missed out. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think they spectacular.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there are sensible Israelis in the National security

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<v Speaker 1>apparatus and stuff like that. But from my sense, and

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<v Speaker 1>Cabinet and Nanna, who specifically are extremely belligerent, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>using it as a tactic, and which is a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>war crime. However, you slicing, we've been into a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of wars the last twenty years, do we use starvation

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<v Speaker 1>as a tactically right? Right? I mean, like, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>The monstrosity of October seventh. And I think I told

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<v Speaker 2>was it's it's it's heart wrenching that said, killing fifty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand Palestinians in return and trying to starve them is

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<v Speaker 2>not the right answer. And uh, and you know it is,

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<v Speaker 2>so it is what it is it's happened now. That

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<v Speaker 2>sounds horrible, but it can also end, right, And now

421
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<v Speaker 2>it's time for the Warren Gaza to end and for

422
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<v Speaker 2>there to be some type of future Palestinian entity. You know,

423
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<v Speaker 2>there's some the signs that encourage me a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been wrong all the time. Is the Israelis took

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<v Speaker 2>a shot at Mohammed Sinhar. That's the new kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the military leader of Commas, that brother of right. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's we're still waiting for the kind of the b

428
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<v Speaker 2>d A on this the bomb damage assessment.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You could conceivably see that as kind of the excuse

431
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<v Speaker 2>or the reason why we Israeli say okay, we can

432
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<v Speaker 2>wind this down.

433
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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

434
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<v Speaker 2>And then again the pressure that that Steve Widcoff, the

435
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<v Speaker 2>US envoy, is is placing on the Israelis. I think

436
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<v Speaker 2>he talked to NYA who several times even yesterday. Trump

437
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<v Speaker 2>wants this, that wants this thing to to to wrap up.

438
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<v Speaker 2>And again, is it for the right reasons? Maybe not.

439
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<v Speaker 2>He wants a Nobel see kind of you know this,

440
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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of the more a region in which

441
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<v Speaker 2>you know, you can have a lot more you know,

442
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<v Speaker 2>international trade and investment. But again, you know, we might

443
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<v Speaker 2>come to the point where where the US and it's

444
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<v Speaker 2>and it's unique because it's a Republican administration right more

445
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<v Speaker 2>closely aligned with UH with the curn Israeli government. But

446
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<v Speaker 2>pressure from Trump on yeah who certainly is more effective

447
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<v Speaker 2>than pressure from Biden on that.

448
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was pure no pressure from Biden.

449
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<v Speaker 2>Well, there there was, but he's hamstrung by the Republican Congress.

450
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<v Speaker 2>Mike Johnson then asks Speaker of House, Johnson asked bb

451
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<v Speaker 2>to come address Congress. So time the US tried to

452
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<v Speaker 2>do anything the Republicans in Congress, howel that we were

453
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<v Speaker 2>banned Israel? Now that Yahoo, Now that Trump is doing

454
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<v Speaker 2>all these things that Biden wanted to do, there's there's

455
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<v Speaker 2>a relative silence from the Republicans. So maybe you go

456
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<v Speaker 2>down the theory of the notion that hey, Trump is

457
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<v Speaker 2>the one who could actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's no question he's not going to face the

459
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<v Speaker 1>double standard that like a democratic administration would face dealing

460
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<v Speaker 1>with the Republicans and stuff like that. Even with the

461
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<v Speaker 1>say and the same thing goes for the Jake Poa right,

462
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<v Speaker 1>if he were to sign an exact carbon copy, he's

463
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<v Speaker 1>not getting as much shit, not even close, like probably

464
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<v Speaker 1>not even like there might be a quote here and there,

465
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<v Speaker 1>but like John Bolton might show up on Fox News, fine,

466
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<v Speaker 1>but it's not going to be from inside the party.

467
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<v Speaker 2>Are cowards when it comes to Trump. I agree, it

468
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<v Speaker 2>is that I realized. I think this is you know

469
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<v Speaker 2>and so so, but of course they know better. But uh,

470
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<v Speaker 2>this will and because because Trump will also see this

471
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<v Speaker 2>as his crowning achievement diplomatically, his road to a nobel

472
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<v Speaker 2>and he will. I'm sure that it will be messages

473
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<v Speaker 2>sent that you opposed me on this will primary you.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, Yeah, I believe that too.

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<v Speaker 2>But but what all this means d is that the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East is fucking mathadically, but it's a radically different

477
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<v Speaker 2>place than literally the last time I came on this show. Yeah,

478
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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty amazing because you know, every once in a while,

479
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<v Speaker 2>something extraordinary happens. And in this case, it's in multiple arenas.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in Gaza maybe definitely, and Yemen one hundred percent

481
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<v Speaker 2>because we took our toys durn going home and on

482
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<v Speaker 2>Iran in a on steroids. I mean, this is literally today.

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<v Speaker 2>You read the Washington Post in New York Times and

484
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<v Speaker 2>it says Trump says, nearing diplomatic agreement with Iran on

485
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<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons. And if you had put that in front

486
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<v Speaker 2>of someone, you know, six months ago, they would have thought.

487
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<v Speaker 1>You were in no way.

488
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you were, you were, you know, doing some Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The interesting thing about that, the messaging for the Iran deal,

490
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<v Speaker 1>especially initially was like it was mixed messaging because Rubio

491
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<v Speaker 1>had started talking about like enrichment and whether they're be

492
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<v Speaker 1>able to enrich and not able to enrich, and then

493
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<v Speaker 1>the administration came out and said no, they wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>able to do and all that stuff. There was like

495
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of mixed messages going on, which I mean,

496
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<v Speaker 1>I'm as confuses most I mean most Americans don't know

497
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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck's going on. Let's be real, right right,

498
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<v Speaker 1>Like they don't care unfortunately, but uh, it's just like

499
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like I feel like one side of

500
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<v Speaker 1>the administration doesn't know what the other side is doing.

501
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<v Speaker 2>So you bring up an awesome, awesome point. And so

502
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<v Speaker 2>this is such an unorthodox place. There's no inter in

503
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<v Speaker 2>my view, there's no inneragency process. So ordinarily what you

504
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<v Speaker 2>do is is the National Security Council would over time

505
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<v Speaker 2>conduct a series of meetings starting at mid level, then

506
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<v Speaker 2>going up to the senior levels what's called a Deputy's committee,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a principals committee. And these are decision.

508
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<v Speaker 1>Points about changing policy and and and you have and

509
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<v Speaker 1>each each relevant agency has a chance to weigh in.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think any of.

511
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<v Speaker 1>This happens now, no shots.

512
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<v Speaker 2>I think stuff is done makes the same thing on

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<v Speaker 2>a napkin in the oval. And you know, one of

514
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<v Speaker 2>the things that I think is uh it reflects that

515
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<v Speaker 2>is that you have different cabinet members, you know, espousing

516
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<v Speaker 2>different positions all the time. So you know, at one point,

517
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<v Speaker 2>and I know we're getting into the technical details, but

518
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<v Speaker 2>you know, Rubio or someone would say, well, we need

519
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<v Speaker 2>we need to have full dismantlement of the Iranian program,

520
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<v Speaker 2>including their civilian program. And then the next day someone

521
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<v Speaker 2>wit cough the voices, no, no, we're good with low enrichment. Nobody.

522
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<v Speaker 2>And then you have the DC think tanks, the prose

523
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<v Speaker 2>real thing tanks howling all the time that they need,

524
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<v Speaker 2>you know, full dismantlement. No one really knows what this is.

525
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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know. I don't think Trump really cares. Actually,

526
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<v Speaker 2>I think he wants a deal. So I think we're

527
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<v Speaker 2>going to probably get a deal which is much closer

528
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<v Speaker 2>to the Iranian position. Then it would be the hardcore

529
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<v Speaker 2>position of full dismantlement of the entire program. Like because

530
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<v Speaker 2>that model is Libya and Mohammed Warmar Kadafi gave up

531
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<v Speaker 2>the Libyan program Libyan nuclear program with a deal reach

532
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.200
<v Speaker 2>of the United States and then later on got deposed

533
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<v Speaker 2>and killed. Yeah, when you say the Libyan model, another

534
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:20.119
<v Speaker 2>country is like, wait.

535
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<v Speaker 1>A second, I don't want that. Yeah, that doesn't sound great.

536
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<v Speaker 2>But but this, this lack of interagency and I know

537
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<v Speaker 2>this is you know, kind of our world here geeking

538
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:36.440
<v Speaker 2>out on on foreign policy. But that is I think

539
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:38.440
<v Speaker 2>really important because then there's no but there seems to

540
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>never be a coordinated position. Let me just just a

541
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<v Speaker 2>little bit. I'll take one quick second to to demonstrate

542
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:47.359
<v Speaker 2>this again. So uh, and we're not talking Russia Ukraine today,

543
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:50.480
<v Speaker 2>we don't have time to do that. But but right

544
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<v Speaker 2>now in Turkey there's a gathering of US officials, Ukrainian officials,

545
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:58.599
<v Speaker 2>and Russian officials, and there there's all sorts of uh

546
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<v Speaker 2>chatter on who would show up, and Putin was invited,

547
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:05.680
<v Speaker 2>but he's not showing up. He is showing up. We

548
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<v Speaker 2>don't even know what's gonna make come of these talks.

549
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<v Speaker 2>There's threats if these talks don't don't succeed, there'll be

550
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:14.200
<v Speaker 2>more sanctuous. And then Trump in a truth sorry, in

551
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:17.519
<v Speaker 2>a in a statement in the UE today, says, well,

552
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<v Speaker 2>nothing's getting done on any of this stuff until I

553
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:22.440
<v Speaker 2>see putin directly, and everyone's like, where'd that come from?

554
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.559
<v Speaker 2>So he just throws everything in the disrect once again.

555
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:28.680
<v Speaker 2>And so you know again that's that's based on very

556
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<v Speaker 2>unorthodox decision making. Now, I will say that this craziness,

557
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:36.839
<v Speaker 2>which you know foreign governments hate, I think we don't

558
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>like it as well. Because US is not reliable or predictable,

559
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:43.279
<v Speaker 2>it probably does lead to some of these wild swings

560
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:46.160
<v Speaker 2>and policies like Trump literally talking to the Saudi ruler

561
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Mohammad bin Salman and says, fuck it will relax sanctions,

562
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:55.079
<v Speaker 2>which the NSC they're staffed, their heads blew off. So

563
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>you are able as a king to make these pronouncements

564
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:02.599
<v Speaker 2>when you don't have a process in which you know,

565
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.640
<v Speaker 2>your advisors come to in a kind of a concerted policy,

566
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:08.759
<v Speaker 2>right uh uh, making positions, and so I think you know,

567
00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I guess the best. Why do you think Trump is

568
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 2>so happy in the Gulf now? He wants to be

569
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<v Speaker 2>the mirror.

570
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the crown or the camp.

571
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:17.000
<v Speaker 2>He loves this.

572
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>And I just kind of wish there was a little

573
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<v Speaker 1>I just wish there was kind of a little bit

574
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<v Speaker 1>of like strategy, a little bit. I know, that's like

575
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the crazy thing. It's just like every day it might be.

576
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:32.039
<v Speaker 2>And everyone's supposed to know in line, Hey, we're doing this,

577
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.839
<v Speaker 2>fall in line, and everyone's like, what our whole policy

578
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:41.240
<v Speaker 2>was uh to uh to frankly, uh try to entice

579
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:45.599
<v Speaker 2>behavior change with the with the Syrians based on a

580
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.240
<v Speaker 2>slow process moving sanctions.

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00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:53.279
<v Speaker 1>Nope, they're just yeah, which was that's what I thought

582
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:55.519
<v Speaker 1>to initially. I'm like, wait, they're removing sanctions that have

583
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<v Speaker 1>been around for forty years or whatever. Shouldn't be like

584
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<v Speaker 1>all of them, Yes, can be like like you said,

585
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<v Speaker 1>in increments, like I don't know if like you should deluge.

586
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<v Speaker 2>And you know don yep, because because he doesn't care. Yeah,

587
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I still think it's the right move. But it is

588
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:13.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of funny that there's no there's no process now,

589
00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:17.240
<v Speaker 2>you know the the what this makes is fun for

590
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:20.440
<v Speaker 2>us to talk about. Sure, there's really serious stuff on this.

591
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:23.240
<v Speaker 2>But if you're either an ally or an adversary, the

592
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:26.480
<v Speaker 2>US is so wildly unpredictable right now, I think you know,

593
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:31.039
<v Speaker 2>there's you literally, as an intelligence officer from a foreign country,

594
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:36.079
<v Speaker 2>cannot make any kind of analytic judgments because Trump is

595
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:39.880
<v Speaker 2>just is so unpredictable and can swing so wildly. Maybe

596
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<v Speaker 2>based on the last person he talked to.

597
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<v Speaker 1>If you're the SDF, for you worried, well.

598
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, particularly because we have you know, we we Trump's

599
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of close relationship with with the with Turkey and right,

600
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:55.880
<v Speaker 2>it's rare to one. Now I think there are you know,

601
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:58.119
<v Speaker 2>there are kind of pieces of this which perhaps are

602
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<v Speaker 2>going to be okay if there can be some kind

603
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<v Speaker 2>of personal model between the SDF and the Turks. I mean,

604
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:05.160
<v Speaker 2>things are changing in Turkey as well. The PKK leader

605
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:10.519
<v Speaker 2>now decided that the armed struggle is over. But yeah,

606
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:13.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean so, but do you I mean, that's that's

607
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:15.960
<v Speaker 2>the perfect That's what would happen on a policy paper,

608
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:19.000
<v Speaker 2>right right, right what happens to the SDS. You're doing

609
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<v Speaker 2>what happens here and there, and you kind of maneuver

610
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.599
<v Speaker 2>around instead of but now it's like okay, and by

611
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:26.759
<v Speaker 2>the way every ally of ours is saying, what does

612
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<v Speaker 2>this mean?

613
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Hold on?

614
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wait wait what just happened?

615
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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>And and you know the prime example of course being

617
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<v Speaker 2>the Israelis sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, listen, I'm gonna be completely honest. I think God,

619
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<v Speaker 1>there needs to be ceasefire yesterday in Gaza. What's going

620
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:46.960
<v Speaker 1>on as a fucking travesty. And like Israel's I've said

621
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>it before, Israel's really good at like targeted assassination and intelligence.

622
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:54.279
<v Speaker 1>That's the route they should have took with dealing with

623
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<v Speaker 1>Hamas in Gaza instead of like just wiping out the

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<v Speaker 1>whole place, because what would we say there was third

625
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<v Speaker 1>forty thousand Gaza fighters Hamas fighters in a in a

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<v Speaker 1>city of two point three million people. Right, Like the

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<v Speaker 1>civilian casualty to a combatant casualty rate is like out

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<v Speaker 1>of control, it's just and it's it's sad man like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's I it's a real bomber. And I

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<v Speaker 1>have no faith in Yaho in his war cabinet. I

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<v Speaker 1>think me Nan Yahoo wants to keep a perpetual war

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<v Speaker 1>going because you know you're gonna have to face the

633
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:31.440
<v Speaker 1>corruption charges if and when it's over, because there was

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<v Speaker 1>also reports about even if they do deals for hostages,

635
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<v Speaker 1>we're still going into Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and so again that that's going to be against

637
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<v Speaker 2>the wishes of President Trump, so that we're coming the

638
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.640
<v Speaker 2>daylight now is is getting to be so great. And

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00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:47.279
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of Israelis I talk to who are

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<v Speaker 2>actually very supportive of Trump giving, you know, being tough

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<v Speaker 2>with Yahoo because nothing else has worked. Yeah, and so

642
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:56.799
<v Speaker 2>so you know, now it's going to be kind of

643
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.599
<v Speaker 2>a crunch time. You know, what's going to happen here

644
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:03.200
<v Speaker 2>or when? And and you know, you know, Steve Wikoff,

645
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<v Speaker 2>the envoy, has been very critical h Israelis, and so

646
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:10.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, so you know, again it's I wake up

647
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:12.519
<v Speaker 2>and it's Thursday, and you're like, okay, what's happening today?

648
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.160
<v Speaker 2>So he's in the UAE. But then there's but then

649
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:18.319
<v Speaker 2>there's also these meetings going on in Istambul with Russia Ukraine.

650
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<v Speaker 2>But then you think about, okay, what are the next steps,

651
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<v Speaker 2>you know, particularly with the with Gaza because and again

652
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:27.599
<v Speaker 2>all this is is kind of lost and all this noise.

653
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<v Speaker 2>Netanyahu said they would they would actually start their offensive

654
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<v Speaker 2>at the end of Trump's trip to the Middle East.

655
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<v Speaker 2>If though, but Trump said, oh, I want a hostage

656
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<v Speaker 2>deal in a ceasefire. That's tomorrow. Like here, I mean

657
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<v Speaker 2>maybe not tomorrow because it's a religious holiday, you know,

658
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:46.039
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's Friday in Israel. But we're talking that,

659
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<v Speaker 2>We're talking every day. You wake up and say this

660
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<v Speaker 2>is a significant day.

661
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.799
<v Speaker 1>Every day. Yeah, it's It's nuts. And it's also a

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00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:57.839
<v Speaker 1>little uh nerve racking because every day the administration could

663
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<v Speaker 1>change his policy position one.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely and which is us.

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00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:06.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying like yeah like this.

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<v Speaker 2>So so you know, accepting this this cuttery air Force

667
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.280
<v Speaker 2>cuttery seven forty seven is such a stupid own goal

668
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.119
<v Speaker 2>by by Trump. Now you know, the cutteries never should

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<v Speaker 2>have offered. Uh, they kind of own half the town already.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's ridiculous.

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00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.320
<v Speaker 1>So this they're dropping a ton of money and like

672
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<v Speaker 1>lobbying and.

673
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Stuff they do and everything. You know, they're they're they've

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00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:27.880
<v Speaker 2>funded Universe and all. This is kind of up and up.

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00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.960
<v Speaker 2>But they funded universities, Thinkings DC. They spend a ton

676
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:33.079
<v Speaker 2>of money. Their influence is massive here and that's just

677
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:34.159
<v Speaker 2>the way Washington works.

678
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:34.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

679
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Uh, the Israelis do the same, The Saudis do the same.

680
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.079
<v Speaker 2>The Greek lobby is very active. I mean, everybody lobbies here.

681
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<v Speaker 1>Greek cobby sent me some fucking money man, right.

682
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 2>But but ultimately, uh, this was a really it's a

683
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:49.639
<v Speaker 2>huge own goal because it distracts from you can argue

684
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:53.320
<v Speaker 2>was a successful trip. But everyone is talking about this

685
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:56.000
<v Speaker 2>because the corruption is so blatant and disgusting and and

686
00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:59.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, uh, you know, uh, Senator Kennedy

687
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:03.239
<v Speaker 2>from Louisiana uh said he trust the cutteries as much

688
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:05.880
<v Speaker 2>as he trusts a bathroom rest stop, which then on

689
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 2>MSNBC yesterday I commented on air that gives me memories

690
00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:14.559
<v Speaker 2>of New Jersey Turnpike ress stops. And but but ultimately,

691
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration also has a kind of this self

692
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.039
<v Speaker 2>defeat mechanism that they seem to hit every once in

693
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<v Speaker 2>a while, whether it's signal gate, you know, or some

694
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of just ridiculous like the plane fiasco is just

695
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.760
<v Speaker 2>totally unnecessary. Yeah, and took away from that's what everyone's

696
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:33.719
<v Speaker 2>talking about on the trip.

697
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<v Speaker 1>And also think about it, like you said, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>cost hundreds of millions or a billion dollars to retrofit

699
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<v Speaker 1>Air Force one to become secure right, because it's an

700
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<v Speaker 1>air force jet that the president rides on command post, right,

701
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<v Speaker 1>So like, how is that helping us? It's you're gotta

702
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:50.719
<v Speaker 1>at fourmed a million dollar gift, but you have to

703
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:54.800
<v Speaker 1>pay another billion to make it work. Also, Pambondie, I'm

704
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:57.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna get a little partisan here. Pam Bondi's a rat.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a Katari lobbyist, making one hundred and fifteen

706
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:03.159
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars a month from the Qatari government to lobby

707
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:06.639
<v Speaker 1>for them. She okayed this as if it's as if

708
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.599
<v Speaker 1>it's normal, like.

709
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, But when I talk privately to any Republican they're

710
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:14.199
<v Speaker 2>just like, oh my.

711
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:17.079
<v Speaker 1>God, yeah, how can you not? It's just so.

712
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:20.639
<v Speaker 2>And it's cutter, which is kryptonite here in DC too

713
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:23.800
<v Speaker 2>because of their role in as as a mediator with

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00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Taliban with Hamas right now, Ludad Air Force Base is

715
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.039
<v Speaker 2>the biggest US military base in the region. So the

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00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Cutteries are an ally, but there's there's some dark side

717
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:36.360
<v Speaker 2>the cuttery stuff, and so it's probably you know, I mean,

718
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if if if Trump went to France

719
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:41.119
<v Speaker 2>and President Macron gave him a a you know, an

720
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<v Speaker 2>airbus jet, didn't happen because it's a European company. But

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00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.199
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone would care as much the fact

722
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<v Speaker 2>that came from Cutter.

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00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about that.

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<v Speaker 3>You think.

725
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.039
<v Speaker 2>So if the French gave us a jet, I don't know,

726
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:54.280
<v Speaker 2>it would be like the Statue of Liberty.

727
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

728
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, I think it's like that. I mean, listen,

729
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:01.000
<v Speaker 1>I get like the connotations that Qatar has where they

730
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<v Speaker 1>are deeply involved.

731
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<v Speaker 2>In Air Force one, be from a foreign government, that's

732
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.639
<v Speaker 2>right at all. Yeah, you can't do it. The French

733
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:11.079
<v Speaker 2>intelligence whatever field day with this, but I guess you

734
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:13.800
<v Speaker 2>know they they chose. They certainly chose the wrong country.

735
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:16.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know, get a jet Canada or something.

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00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>They should have done. They should have done what the

737
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.079
<v Speaker 1>Saudi government didn't just buy like fine hundred million dollars

738
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<v Speaker 1>worth of Trump's Trump.

739
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Mean coin, what they probably have done.

740
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:26.119
<v Speaker 1>That's what they should have done. That's what's going on

741
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:26.480
<v Speaker 1>right now.

742
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and now that there's another whole discussion here is

743
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:33.719
<v Speaker 2>how screwed up Boeing is that these these Air Force

744
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:37.119
<v Speaker 2>one jets are so the cost over runs are massive,

745
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:40.480
<v Speaker 2>they're they're certainly delayed. Boeing is at a rough time.

746
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Although Boeing had a great trip. The irony of this

747
00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:44.719
<v Speaker 2>is Trump is pissed at Boeing because they've screwed up

748
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:48.960
<v Speaker 2>the whole Air Force one procurement. Yet yet Boeing had

749
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:53.000
<v Speaker 2>just made ninety on this trip, and.

750
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:56.440
<v Speaker 1>So you know, yeah, there's no real clear strategy. And

751
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.599
<v Speaker 1>if someone tries to tell me he's playing five D

752
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.360
<v Speaker 1>four D jests, now he doesn't probably not a right

753
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:02.199
<v Speaker 1>to play regular chess.

754
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:04.480
<v Speaker 2>To be honest, I can't. You know again that that's

755
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:05.880
<v Speaker 2>and every once in a while you'll see a maga

756
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:07.880
<v Speaker 2>foreign policy person pop up and say, look at the

757
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:08.559
<v Speaker 2>genius of Trump.

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00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:11.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I can't. I'm sorry. It's like at the same

759
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:14.199
<v Speaker 1>level like people talking about how Putin's and strategic genius. Yeah,

760
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:16.880
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, put because Putin thought this be over in

761
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:19.280
<v Speaker 1>a week in Ukraine and he's three years in. So

762
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:23.800
<v Speaker 1>uh man, it's crazy because it's like there's so much

763
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.039
<v Speaker 1>happening and now I guess this is part of their

764
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:29.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, the flood of his own thing, but to

765
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:33.119
<v Speaker 1>like pinpoint stuff of what's going on, it's really wild.

766
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:35.280
<v Speaker 1>And to me, I mean, if I'm a foreign government.

767
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:39.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm it's transactional. We're right with the with Trump specifically

768
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:43.400
<v Speaker 1>in the administration. So I'm if I really want to

769
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.519
<v Speaker 1>curry favor, I'm making things transactional, just how like Saudi

770
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Arabia Kadar does, UAE does. Yeah, I don't know what

771
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.760
<v Speaker 1>the fuck's gonna happen tomorrow. I'm gonna be honest. I mean,

772
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:57.360
<v Speaker 1>it's good for us. If you're smart, you would say

773
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>you're living in Brooklyn or Queens Brooklyn. If you're smart,

774
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.400
<v Speaker 1>you would you would tomorrow come to the administration with

775
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.639
<v Speaker 1>the proposal to build a Trump tower in Brooklyn. Yeah,

776
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:08.800
<v Speaker 1>why would get probably paid.

777
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:10.199
<v Speaker 2>That's it.

778
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:10.920
<v Speaker 1>That's it.

779
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:14.320
<v Speaker 2>And so you know, and and so everyone has that playbook.

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00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:14.800
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:17.239
<v Speaker 2>One of the things that I think would be fun

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<v Speaker 2>to see, which would probably be very brief, would be

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<v Speaker 2>the leadership the leadership profile that intelligence services always do

784
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.840
<v Speaker 2>on foreign leaders, on foreign heads of state. The one

785
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:29.800
<v Speaker 2>on Trump is probably a paragraph, you know. The one

786
00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:33.639
<v Speaker 2>on on on uh, you know, on Biden or Obama

787
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:37.360
<v Speaker 2>was probably five pages. Yeah, but Trump is pretty easy.

788
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:42.559
<v Speaker 2>How to how to examine, manipulate, deal with you know,

789
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:44.880
<v Speaker 2>everyone loves getting on their hands and knees. It seems

790
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.719
<v Speaker 2>to work. Now, it works for a short period of time, right.

791
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:49.760
<v Speaker 2>You know what I always tell people is, you know,

792
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:51.519
<v Speaker 2>gotta be careful if you're going to go blow Trump,

793
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:53.360
<v Speaker 2>because he's gonna you know, he's going to give you

794
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:55.679
<v Speaker 2>something right after that. But you know, three hours later

795
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:59.719
<v Speaker 2>he's like a goldfish. And so but but that's what

796
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:02.679
<v Speaker 2>and so you see, you know, flattery seems to work.

797
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:05.760
<v Speaker 2>The Brits have seemed to have mastered this because Trump

798
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.920
<v Speaker 2>is enamored with the British royal family, so starmer the

799
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.079
<v Speaker 2>British Prime Minister comes with an invite to see King Charles,

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump's like, great, I love you. Yeah, there's little

801
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<v Speaker 2>pieces like that that you know, the Gulf Arabs know

802
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:22.320
<v Speaker 2>that Trump loves pomp and circumstances, is wowed by wealth,

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00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 2>and so when he goes there, he sees you know,

804
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:28.840
<v Speaker 2>wealth on steroids. Yeah, that gets to him. You know,

805
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:30.880
<v Speaker 2>everybody kind of has that. You know, what is that

806
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:33.199
<v Speaker 2>one key thing that's gonna that's gonna kind of peak

807
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:37.519
<v Speaker 2>his interest? Uh, and so those leadership profiles are probably

808
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:39.039
<v Speaker 2>not that that complex.

809
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not super depth sided yet it's just like

810
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:44.039
<v Speaker 1>give him a carrot. Give him something shiny and they'll

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<v Speaker 1>do almost everything you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, an investment, Trump tower or something. I mean Amashata said,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to build a Trump tower in Damascus. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that music. And in fact, the matter is,

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<v Speaker 2>I've lived in Damascus. You could do it. There's a

816
00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:59.239
<v Speaker 2>four seasons there, sure, and so you know there and

817
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.440
<v Speaker 2>and it's a it's a it's a magical city. That's

818
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:04.000
<v Speaker 2>the oldest city on the planet. You can think of

819
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:06.639
<v Speaker 2>a thousand reasons why this could actually happen.

820
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So are you are you worried at all that

821
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<v Speaker 1>Skuy's a former jihadi?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, uh uh sure, I mean it's

823
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<v Speaker 2>it's a data point. But you also have to understand

824
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.119
<v Speaker 2>he's got you know, the Turks, uh, you know behind

825
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.639
<v Speaker 2>him in the sense of as probably a modulating force.

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<v Speaker 2>But most importantly it's trusting you know, uh uh you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't trust what trust but verified. Yeah, so you

828
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:34.920
<v Speaker 2>know everyone's watching, you know, is he going to have

829
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<v Speaker 2>an inclusive government? So far? Sort of? You know, is

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<v Speaker 2>he you know, is he going to kick out the Iranians?

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<v Speaker 2>He says he's going to Is he going to kick

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<v Speaker 2>out the Palestinian rejectionist groups. He says he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>let's see and so along with there's gonna be stumbles

834
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<v Speaker 2>along the way. But I guess the opposite is that

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<v Speaker 2>you can't leave someone like that without you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in a in a state of kind of desperation and

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<v Speaker 2>poverty and so and this is, this is completely different

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<v Speaker 2>than the Taliban. You know, Damascus is a place where

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people can walk out in the streets, you know, free,

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<v Speaker 2>there's alcohol, women go to schools. It's not I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not draconian at all, right, and so, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>is there reason to be to to monitor? Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>So I know SDF is like the real like the

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<v Speaker 1>main force driving the fight against ISIS in the area.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's my question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if you if you think about that as well,

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<v Speaker 2>not only is he apparently shot, they have helped in

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<v Speaker 2>the counter ISIS fight. But of course i'll KaiA in

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<v Speaker 2>ISIS or enemies. So so you know, ideologically Shota doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>like ISIS to begin with, even if you say he's

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<v Speaker 2>never changed from an a Q guy. Yeah, but again,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think that there's there's enough evidence out there

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<v Speaker 2>to show that he has reformed enough.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's the he's the boss now, so he's there, right, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to deal with whoever's there, right, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>better than a sod as of right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's not even close. So that to me,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a that's a no brainer. You know, uh, you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but Charlasa killed half a million Syrians, six million refugees. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>old kind of terrorist asshole, but he seems to have

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<v Speaker 2>performed enough for us to deal with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Russia? Is Russia angling to get back in there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's a key point. Is so that that's another thing,

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<v Speaker 2>is that we're gonna want to keep Russia out. Now

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<v Speaker 2>that's a big question, but that's another thing that we

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<v Speaker 2>can monitor, and so that that you know, the the

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<v Speaker 2>the Russian influence they are. That's I'm sure is a

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<v Speaker 2>point of discussion between US and Syrian officials, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course the Turks want We're gonna want to keep the

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<v Speaker 2>Russians out as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Syria is like this fucking place, This menagerie of like Mayhem, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>who's fighting who, who's aligned with who? But they're also

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<v Speaker 1>aligned with this other group is unbelievable. Man Mark, where

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<v Speaker 1>can people find you?

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<v Speaker 3>On Twitter?

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<v Speaker 1>On Blue Sky everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>At M Polymer on Blue Sky as well. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know my Blue Sky thing, but you can find

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<v Speaker 2>me on there at M Polymer or something Blue Sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and uh. And as I've hinted before, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>the long awaited debut of a new kind of podcast

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<v Speaker 2>series I'm involved with is coming at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the month.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice, all good, good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome overseas based uh in a friendly country.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was gonna say not Katari, right, Oh god no, But.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's gonna be It's gonna be fun, and I

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<v Speaker 2>will certainly let you all know. And I can still

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<v Speaker 2>come on as a guest.

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<v Speaker 1>Every better. Come on, man, I'm gonna put all the

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<v Speaker 1>links to market the description, check them out, check them

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<v Speaker 1>out at MSNBC, and look out for his new podcast

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<v Speaker 1>coming out a couple few weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, the big story here not only changes in

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East, but I've actually agreed with Trump administration policy.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope your listeners notice that because it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>happen often.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I'm telling you, at least push it for a

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<v Speaker 1>ceasefire and Gaza I'm in if he's also pushing for

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<v Speaker 1>an Iran nuke deal. However, it looks like I would

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<v Speaker 1>love some proxy force language in there. I mean, because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think bombing Iran is really going to bombing

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<v Speaker 1>Iran Iranian nuclear facility is really going to do anything

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<v Speaker 1>to stop them. If I'm Iran, I would dig deeper

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<v Speaker 1>and build it even deeper where no one can get it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then like, hey, I have a nuclear weapon. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you guys gonna do? Right, because that's the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate regime security, right, like we talked about with Libya.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I do agree with some of the stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully tomorrow or next week it doesn't change completely.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably, well, right, this is fleeting.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, so guys stay tuned because every day is

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<v Speaker 1>a new adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>And they'll screw something up and rush of Ukraine too.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyhow, but the awesome, awesome to see you as always, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>keep the faith, and as we've said before, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when we have the kind of the Greek mafia that

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<v Speaker 2>taking over the teamhouse, that's always a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We're already running the CIA, right, So guys, see you later, Mark,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. I'm going to finish up. Guys, do me

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<v Speaker 1>a favorite. Don't forget to like a subscribe check out

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<v Speaker 1>thanks a lot mark, Thanks again, man, Thanks Bud.

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<v Speaker 3>See ya, guys, it's Jack.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to talk to you for a moment

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<v Speaker 3>So we really appreciate all of you guys.

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<v Speaker 4>There's going to be a link down in the description

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<v Speaker 4>be a link to our new merch shop, so if

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<v Speaker 4>should mention if you sign up for Patreon at ten

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<v Speaker 4>so we really appreciate that. But they're also for sale

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