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Speaker 2: Welcome to the WWE Podcast. It is Saturday, November twenty third,
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, the day before Survivor Series NXT Takeover War
Speaker 2: Games is going on as we speak, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to make sure that this preview show prediction show got
Speaker 2: out so that you guys could take a listen and
Speaker 2: get yourself geared up for tomorrow night's or Tonight's depending
Speaker 2: on when you're listening Survivors Series event. And it is
Speaker 2: heavy on triple threats, so if you love triple threats,
Speaker 2: you were going to get more than your phill for
Speaker 2: that show, which is filled with just hours, literally hours
Speaker 2: of triple threat matches when you put it all together,
Speaker 2: and some intriguing ones as well as much as I
Speaker 2: you know, I may have downplayed or critiqued this whole
Speaker 2: storyline of brand supremacy nonsense, of which I still one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty percent stand by that it's complete, non
Speaker 2: sensical garbage. This should be from a wrestling perspective, all
Speaker 2: that you can eat. I mean, this is a buffet
Speaker 2: that you, you know, underpaid and over delivered, you're going
Speaker 2: to get. I think high level of high level of
Speaker 2: quality in terms of the match star ratings, particularly with
Speaker 2: the AJ styles Roderick Strong and Shinskanakamura triple threat, the
Speaker 2: women's triple Threat with Shana Basler Bailey and Becky Lynch's
Speaker 2: I think positioned to be one of the top matches
Speaker 2: of the night and I'm looking forward to that match
Speaker 2: probably the most. The five on five on five, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I did not stutter. It's five on five on five
Speaker 2: times two matches. I'm really not a fan of Elimination
Speaker 2: style is fun when it's five on five and the
Speaker 2: match actually makes sense to happen. But in this case,
Speaker 2: I've just kind of conceded and go, whatever, this will
Speaker 2: not matter come come Monday night when they're in Chicago.
Speaker 2: So you know, look, I think it's gonna be a
Speaker 2: good pay per view, but I think we're all gonna
Speaker 2: be worn out of the Triple threat and brand supremacy garbage.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Ashley is with us today and we covered
Speaker 2: obviously the predictions for Survivor Series. We also get into
Speaker 2: whether or not we think we'll see CM punk during
Speaker 2: this three night event of war Games and then Survivor
Speaker 2: Series and Monday Night Raw, and we don't completely rule
Speaker 2: it out. I will tell you that, and how it
Speaker 2: could happen. I think Ashley came up with a really
Speaker 2: damn good idea of how it could possibly happen and
Speaker 2: how to get some heel heat out of it. So
Speaker 2: we cover that and a whole lot more, including could
Speaker 2: the Undertaker show up? How does Daniel Bryan fair against
Speaker 2: the Fiend? Does he have a chance in hell of winning?
Speaker 2: Does Raymistereo have a snowballs chance in hell of winning?
Speaker 2: We cover all of these questions and just so much more.
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Speaker 2: So alrighty, well, guys, this is a big show, special show.
Speaker 2: Always excited to have Ashley on. I know you guys
Speaker 2: love her. I have always had great chemistry with her.
Speaker 2: She's a mainstay of this show, and she's back and
Speaker 2: we're discussing Survivor series and we did a little bit
Speaker 2: of math, as you'll hear at the very end of
Speaker 2: the show. I also catch her right before the TLC
Speaker 2: pay per views, So we had a long string of
Speaker 2: being able to do preview shows together, prediction shows, and
Speaker 2: that string will continue into TLC, as I talked to
Speaker 2: her the day before TLC, which is December fourteenth or thirteenth,
Speaker 2: I can't remember. So if you like Ashley and I
Speaker 2: on prediction show as well, the gods of wrestling have
Speaker 2: aligned once again to bring you a prediction show of
Speaker 2: her and I together. So already, well, I think that's it.
Speaker 2: I think we're ready to get going and we're ready
Speaker 2: to talk Survivor Series predictions with Ashley and myself. All right,
Speaker 2: welcome to the WWE podcast on this Survivor Series preview
Speaker 2: show when we're going to go through all of our predictions.
Speaker 2: We've got some big ticket items to talk about that
Speaker 2: happened during this crazy week of wrestling, and I welcome
Speaker 2: back Ashley to the show. And we were on our
Speaker 2: cycle for a while of doing preview shows doing prediction shows.
Speaker 2: We broke that the last month or so and now
Speaker 2: we're back on it. So Ashley, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Always a blast to.
Speaker 3: Have you here.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's so great to be back and I'm happy
Speaker 4: we're back on our schedule. It's fun doing the prediction
Speaker 4: shows with you. I'm looking up now still to see
Speaker 4: if we're on track for TLC as well, so I'll
Speaker 4: let you know later on. But I'm happy to be
Speaker 4: here talking to you tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, and yes, that's your homework assignment.
Speaker 3: Please.
Speaker 2: Very curious to see if we are now going to
Speaker 2: be stuck on our previous cycle, which wasn't a bad thing.
Speaker 2: It just was pretty funny the way that it happened
Speaker 2: all and every every single month. But yeah, so we're
Speaker 2: going to get into the Survivor series deal. There's so
Speaker 2: much to dissect, I mean, and yes, there isn't going
Speaker 2: to be a whole lot of positivity at least on
Speaker 2: my end, just from this whole structure of the Sarvis series,
Speaker 2: but there are some matches that I'm really really looking
Speaker 2: forward to. So there's definitely good with the bad here.
Speaker 2: But before I do, I know that you do a
Speaker 2: podcast beyond this that is live on Facebook. So let
Speaker 2: everyone know what that is, where they can find it,
Speaker 2: and a little bit about what the show is.
Speaker 5: Yes, I do. It is called Wressell Rewind.
Speaker 4: We air live every Thursday at eight thirty so if
Speaker 4: you want to watch us live, it's a video stream,
Speaker 4: feel free to check us out. You can chime in
Speaker 4: with us either agreed, disagree, whatever you feel like, whatever
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Speaker 4: podcasts later on either on Apple, Spotify, pretty much anyway
Speaker 4: you can listen to podcasts.
Speaker 5: We are there, so feel free to check us out.
Speaker 2: Definitely, I've watched you guys the last few weeks, and
Speaker 2: you guys are pretty good. I mean I can say
Speaker 2: I can say that with all seriousness, like, you guys
Speaker 2: are pretty good. I like the little setup you've got,
Speaker 2: the topics are good. You guys seem to have good chemistry.
Speaker 2: I would like them to center you a little bit
Speaker 2: more in the video. It seems like you're always off
Speaker 2: to like just the side where I'm like, I think
Speaker 2: I can see Ashley, you know, like, but.
Speaker 5: I know, I know. We're working on it, working on it.
Speaker 4: It's funny because a little peek behind the curtain really quick.
Speaker 4: We film in Tommy's spare guest room, so we're kind
Speaker 4: of limited on space for now. He's moving soon, so
Speaker 4: I think all that's going to change in the near future.
Speaker 5: So right now we're limited on space, so I really
Speaker 5: don't want to be right on.
Speaker 4: Top of my little partner. There's smooky Z, so I
Speaker 4: try to keep my space. But yeah, Jim and I
Speaker 4: go back.
Speaker 5: And watch it. Sometimes I'm like, wow, you can barely
Speaker 5: see me.
Speaker 4: So I definitely try to keep heading in line, but yeah,
Speaker 4: sometimes I just fade off there on the side.
Speaker 2: Oh right, So the secret has now been revealed as
Speaker 2: to why Ashley is just in the videos. Okay, so
Speaker 2: now it makes total sense sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, see you.
Speaker 2: You are, You're pulling the You're like David Copperfield pulling
Speaker 2: the curtain back. So all right, well, Ashlely, Look, this
Speaker 2: is a this is a week in which I view
Speaker 2: this and maybe I'm a little bit I don't know,
Speaker 2: preemptive on this, but I view this sometimes as the
Speaker 2: unofficial start to wrestle Mania, because when you look back
Speaker 2: at previous years of the last ten to fifteen years,
Speaker 2: there have been at times seeds planted at Survivor series
Speaker 2: that led all the way to WrestleMania. So I mean
Speaker 2: personally that that's how I look at it. I don't
Speaker 2: have a lot of faith sometimes in the booking team
Speaker 2: to go that far, but do you see, as this
Speaker 2: is a pay per view, that's you know, maybe something
Speaker 2: like that could happen on Tomorrow night.
Speaker 5: Maybe.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I've never really looked at it like that in
Speaker 4: that perspective before. So, but as you were saying that,
Speaker 4: I immediately thought of Sting. So that was kind of
Speaker 4: like his little launching point there, and then I believe
Speaker 4: he faced triple H later on at that year's WrestleMania,
Speaker 4: so that you may be onto something there.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I for wressell Mania's sake, I don't think so, just
Speaker 4: because I think right now their main focus is just
Speaker 4: on Tomorrow and then I kind of feel like starting
Speaker 4: on Monday, we're going to get a clean slate. So honestly,
Speaker 4: I don't see any of these feusure, I don't. I
Speaker 4: don't per see anything starting tomornd I but I hope
Speaker 4: I'm wrong.
Speaker 5: I very well could be wrong. Do you have any idea?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean no, I don't. I just in years past,
Speaker 2: as you said, Sting was number one, Sean Michaels and
Speaker 2: the Undertaker was another one back in two thousand and ten,
Speaker 2: I think it was. So there have been but again,
Speaker 2: these are these are matches that are you know, once
Speaker 2: in a lifetime, you know, legendary top ten matches that
Speaker 2: you would you would foresee going from this point to WrestleMania.
Speaker 2: But yeah, again, do I think that's gonna happen? Probably
Speaker 2: not so. I guess an easier question would be what
Speaker 2: are what are some of the matches that you're actually
Speaker 2: looking forward to? And we'll get to predictions, but just
Speaker 2: off the top, like, hey, like this is a match,
Speaker 2: these are the matches that I really am looking forward
Speaker 2: to seeing.
Speaker 4: I think, first off, I'm really looking forward to the
Speaker 4: chiple threat match between Shinsky and Akimura, a J and
Speaker 4: roder Strong. I think that's gonna just steal the show,
Speaker 4: and I'm very curious. I'm not gonna give away my
Speaker 4: take yet, but I'm curious to see who they give
Speaker 4: the nod to with this one. I'm wondering if it's
Speaker 4: gonna be a clean sweep like it was last year,
Speaker 4: but this year, have NXT just win all the matches. Again,
Speaker 4: We'll go more in depth into that later, but that
Speaker 4: could kind of lead to my pick there. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that one for sure, I'm definitely looking forward
Speaker 4: to it. I'm also looking forward to the beculence Shana
Speaker 4: Basler and Bailey match as well. I think that's just
Speaker 4: gonna I think that'll be right up there with the
Speaker 4: AJ and broder Strong Shinsky match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you there. I noticed you didn't mention
Speaker 2: any of the five on five on five on five
Speaker 2: on five matches, which we'll get to, of course, and
Speaker 2: I'm with you there. I would put the AJ Styles
Speaker 2: match Roderick Strong and shins Ky probably my number two.
Speaker 2: My number one probably that I'm looking forward to the
Speaker 2: most would be the women's triple threat between Shanna Basler,
Speaker 2: Becky and Bailey.
Speaker 3: I mean that was up there too.
Speaker 2: My number three'd probably be probably brock Lesnar and Ray Mysterio,
Speaker 2: believe it or not, just out of my own curiosity
Speaker 2: as to just the way Paul Haymond sells things. Just
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like here, Paul, take my money.
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, this guy when.
Speaker 4: He would say either a miracle or a mass like
Speaker 4: just beautiful God.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, he brings tears to my eyes the
Speaker 2: way he cuts pro This guy's a damn genius. So yes,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a miracle or a massacre. And I
Speaker 2: am really. I mean, I think it's gonna be a massacre,
Speaker 2: and my my bloodlust is hoping that it's a massacre
Speaker 2: just because that's just what I want to see from
Speaker 2: brack Leszer, because that's what he is. So anyway, giving
Speaker 2: away that prediction isn't exactly giving away a prediction as
Speaker 2: is a spoiler. I just see no way that raymis
Speaker 2: Sirira can win that. So yeah, I don't predict foresee miracle.
Speaker 2: But again that's beginning giving anything way. So before we
Speaker 2: get into some of the actual predictions for Survivors series,
Speaker 2: what were some of the big things from this week?
Speaker 2: Any I mean so much to really pick from. I mean,
Speaker 2: you really have NXT invasion every single time that there's
Speaker 2: a w W Raw or SmackDown show, we have the Fiend,
Speaker 2: and we have Daniel O'Brien and that whole story and
Speaker 2: Daniel Brian getting now attacked again this week with the
Speaker 2: mandible claw. I guess that's what they're gonna call it
Speaker 2: until they find another name for it. So what were
Speaker 2: some of the big things this week that you took
Speaker 2: away and wanted to discuss.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, I honestly think they've done very well
Speaker 4: with NXT. I mean, look, I don't think any of
Speaker 4: us really are fans of the whole brand versus brand
Speaker 4: versus brand concept. But I think so far they actually
Speaker 4: have protected NXT, and I think they've done very well
Speaker 4: with everyone who's been involved, So I am I'm very
Speaker 4: happy with that. You know, w B could have very
Speaker 4: easily let all these guys come in and squash them.
Speaker 4: I mean, and don't get me wrong, you know, tomorrow
Speaker 4: I hope, I hope this doesn't happen, of course, but
Speaker 4: they could, you know, do the exact opposite of when
Speaker 4: I'm praising them for now and squash n XT.
Speaker 5: But I don't, I don't see that.
Speaker 4: I think things are completely different now for this year's
Speaker 4: Survivor series. I think NXT has a fair shot tomorrow night,
Speaker 4: and I'm really I think that just the build up
Speaker 4: to Survivor Series, and especially this week with the go
Speaker 4: home shows, NXC really shine and like Rio Ripley and
Speaker 4: Adam Cole, they just I think they really stood out
Speaker 4: in Keith Lee on SmackDown. And it's interesting because they
Speaker 4: were on SmackDown and the Chicago.
Speaker 5: Crowd was chanting for NXT.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's just Chicago being Chicago, or
Speaker 4: if that's just a sign that NXT is over and
Speaker 4: people and in the fan base and in general is
Speaker 4: silently behind NXT. So that was kind of interesting when
Speaker 4: I was watching SmackDown.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm just I'm I'm kind of like, okay
Speaker 5: with the build up. I guess it is what it is.
Speaker 5: I think there was a little too many just.
Speaker 4: All out brawls, But I'm happy that Survivor Series is
Speaker 4: here tomorrow so we can kind of get through this
Speaker 4: and then just have NXT go back to doing their
Speaker 4: own thing and their own world, and then just having
Speaker 4: SmackDown and Raw actually be able to utilize talent on
Speaker 4: their respective shows to just go forward from here and
Speaker 4: lead towards the WrestleMania season coming up, because we're I think,
Speaker 4: what five months away from WrestleMania ready or something like that.
Speaker 5: It's insane. Time flies, but yeah, crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I always view it as I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: could things happen tomorrow night that that lead to a
Speaker 2: WrestleMania match. Maybe again, to your point, probably not. But
Speaker 2: you know, the very first raw after the New year
Speaker 2: is always a big show because that puts you right
Speaker 2: on the road to WrestleMania. So we are a month away, really,
Speaker 2: I mean, because then it'll be the end of December
Speaker 2: and then boom you right into January and it's road WrestleMania.
Speaker 2: So we are really close, closer than you really think,
Speaker 2: you know. So, But to your point about this past week,
Speaker 2: it was all about n XT.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: The Keith Lee and Braunze Strowman interaction was interesting again
Speaker 2: and may be interesting from the perspective of oh new matchup.
Speaker 2: I've never seen this, never thought about this, and yeah,
Speaker 2: that's cool, but as you said, at the end of this,
Speaker 2: everyone's going back to their own worlds. This means nothing
Speaker 2: other than bragging rights. And how can anyone claim brand
Speaker 2: supremacy unless they have a C sweep. Even if they did,
Speaker 2: that doesn't matter because we saw what happened last year
Speaker 2: beyond the pre show match that SmackDown got swept clean
Speaker 2: and it meant zero. So this whole brand supremacy thing,
Speaker 2: I've ranted about it for weeks now. It means zero.
Speaker 2: But I think NXT more than anybody. NXT right now
Speaker 2: is the is the babyface and this whole thing, and
Speaker 2: I think SmackDown and Raw are the heels. I mean,
Speaker 2: because NXT is the cool brand. They feel like an
Speaker 2: anti brand, even though they're all under the same umbrella
Speaker 2: of WWE.
Speaker 3: It's it's a genius move.
Speaker 2: So regardless, Wind Loser draw tomorrow night, and I think
Speaker 2: they'll win, probably you know, one of the bigger matches,
Speaker 2: and I'll leave it at that, but I think they're
Speaker 2: gonna get a solid, a clean victory, a big victory,
Speaker 2: a memorable one, and that is what's going to make
Speaker 2: I think the difference here is not just that win,
Speaker 2: but also just getting the exposure on one of the
Speaker 2: biggest pay per views of the year, Survivor series. NXT
Speaker 2: has gotten a lot more eyeballs on them than had
Speaker 2: they not just had this invasion angle and had this
Speaker 2: three on triple threat match, because they would have just
Speaker 2: been sitting on Wednesday nights and they wouldn't have gotten
Speaker 2: in front of eyeballs. That just go I don't really
Speaker 2: know what NXT is, but now we're forced to watch it,
Speaker 2: even though you know, people who aren't watching it are
Speaker 2: now watching NXT and may tune in now to Wednesday
Speaker 2: night to see these guys and gals fight. And that's
Speaker 2: I think the ultimate win. Here is exposure for NXT,
Speaker 2: regardless of even if they lost all three matches, all
Speaker 2: four matches whatever. So right now, the big win here
Speaker 2: is NXT and getting the exposure that they deserve.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And you kind of just stated there when
Speaker 4: I was about to say myself, And I think this
Speaker 4: week showed that there were I'm not one of those
Speaker 4: people who really reads into ratings at all, but this
Speaker 4: week was interesting and that NXT finally won the first
Speaker 4: week against AW And again, of course you know that
Speaker 4: there was a lot of like asterisks with that. You know,
Speaker 4: you had stars from Ron SmackDown showing up, and obviously
Speaker 4: there's a lot of hype in build up to it.
Speaker 4: So of course if any week they were going to win,
Speaker 4: it would be this week, or.
Speaker 5: You would hope so.
Speaker 4: But I think obviously next week is gonna be more
Speaker 4: telling in that sense to see if this momentum can
Speaker 4: continue for them. And I think regardless, this is a
Speaker 4: win win for WWE. They kind of double dips. They
Speaker 4: got all of their main stars into all three of
Speaker 4: their main shows after the draft and the build up
Speaker 4: to VIR series, so it was just perfect timing and
Speaker 4: I think this was like ideal because next week, everyone
Speaker 4: knows NXC if people watching ron smacked on, you've seen
Speaker 4: these guys, and hopefully, and I think it will, the
Speaker 4: majority of people who recently tuned in this week will
Speaker 4: be invested in Adam Cole and Roder scheng in the
Speaker 4: Undisputed Era and Ripley and Shannon Basler and all of
Speaker 4: them going forwards. So I think this is a win win,
Speaker 4: regardless of, like you said, what happens to the individual
Speaker 4: magic tomorrow night, it really is.
Speaker 2: And then I mean that's a good point too. The
Speaker 2: real telling tale sign will be not necessarily this week
Speaker 2: because sorr AEW doesn't have that advantage, doesn't have that
Speaker 2: luxury of pulling from other brands that are more successful
Speaker 2: to bring into their you know, their the red Headed
Speaker 2: Stepchild brand, to get more exposure of bringing stars into
Speaker 2: that brand, which inherently will up the ratings. So now
Speaker 2: that they don't have that next week, assuming we all
Speaker 2: go back to you know, normal world, is what happens
Speaker 2: after that? Because was this whole to me, this whole thing,
Speaker 2: this whole build has just been nothing more than a
Speaker 2: big advertisement for n XT. And look, I'm not bashing them,
Speaker 2: because if I was trying to build a third brand.
Speaker 2: That's good to do. That's what exactly. You have big
Speaker 2: brother and Big Sister brand. Why wouldn't you want to
Speaker 2: expose your little you know, step redhead stepchild for you know,
Speaker 2: lack of a better term, to those brands to get
Speaker 2: more eyeballs on the product that you want to also build.
Speaker 2: So that is to me what the goal was. It's
Speaker 2: just been nothing more than one big informer for NXT.
Speaker 2: But that's that's fine because they're running a business and
Speaker 2: that's what they're trying to do, and I I support
Speaker 2: that we do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, oh, one more thing I didn't ask you, and
Speaker 2: I have to ask you before I forget, is is
Speaker 2: do you think there is any I think you're about
Speaker 2: to know where I'm gonna go here? Is there any
Speaker 2: possibility at all that you could see since we because
Speaker 2: we haven't talked since this happened of CM punk like
Speaker 2: at all? Look, I mean they're in Chicago for four
Speaker 2: nights and now three nights after you know, NXT takeover,
Speaker 2: and then the War Games rather and then you have
Speaker 2: uh Survivor series and then you have money Net Raw.
Speaker 2: What do you think I mean?
Speaker 3: Is there any possibility The thing is, I won't. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think there really is a great opportunity or
Speaker 2: a great chance giving Punk's answers. Although he's likes to
Speaker 2: be cryptic and likes to you know, uh, put people,
Speaker 2: you know, drive people the wrong way and and put
Speaker 2: fake news out there or make people think, and he's
Speaker 2: good at mind games with all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But I will say I don't think pun it's going
Speaker 2: to show up. That's my short answer. But I do
Speaker 2: think that during matches that people don't give a damn about,
Speaker 2: you're gonna hear cmpunk chants probably you know, heavy throughout
Speaker 2: the night. I think there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 2: cmpunk chants, people going nuts for cmpunk and the possibility
Speaker 2: of him coming out.
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny me and my friends we're talking
Speaker 4: about this on Thursday.
Speaker 5: I think there's every part of me wants to say yes.
Speaker 6: But I think that WW is expecting people to kind
Speaker 6: of see that.
Speaker 5: And kind of expect that in a weird way, if
Speaker 5: that makes sense.
Speaker 4: So I think just because all the stars are aligning,
Speaker 4: and Renee even mentioned it on backstage earlier this week,
Speaker 4: I don't think that happens. If anything, I could see, well,
Speaker 4: I take that back, so I'm my initial response.
Speaker 5: Is and my short answer is no.
Speaker 6: But if they do go that route, I could see
Speaker 6: either one or two things happening.
Speaker 5: Either his music playing and a.
Speaker 4: Heel coming out like a Baron Corbin, because what other
Speaker 4: way to get just a stupid amount of heat?
Speaker 5: Then having Sampunk's music play.
Speaker 4: In Chicago and having like a Baron Corbin come out,
Speaker 4: or just somebody wanted to get like massively over like
Speaker 4: that would just be you know, just insanely just heat
Speaker 4: magnetizing right there. So I don't think his Sampunk mentioned
Speaker 4: on backstage this week that he didn't really know who
Speaker 4: Baron Corbin was, So I could just see if WW
Speaker 4: wants to have fun with it, maybe something like that happening,
Speaker 4: or if he does show up like you mentioned earlier,
Speaker 4: I could see if they do want to start something
Speaker 4: here or plant to seed him coming out and interrupting
Speaker 4: any maybe uh seth Rawlin's segment, or interrupting the Magine
Speaker 4: coming on, costing set the magic, just interacting with Step
Speaker 4: in some form or fashion.
Speaker 5: So I could see.
Speaker 4: If he does make an appearance in doing something like that,
Speaker 4: but my initial response would be no, just because if
Speaker 4: he is even open to coming back, and this is
Speaker 4: something they've actually been discussing, I think they're gonna want
Speaker 4: to hold off for a little bit longer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like you said, that could be a
Speaker 2: really really good way to get a heel over and
Speaker 2: massive heat is to play the music the fans lose
Speaker 2: their minds. I mean the pond. I'm gonna sit at
Speaker 2: home and jump. I mean it would be.
Speaker 3: It would the internet would.
Speaker 2: Explode and the building would explode, only to have somebody
Speaker 2: else come out and just smile all the way to
Speaker 2: the ring. People would I mean, I think there would
Speaker 2: be drinks thrown out the person. I mean it would be.
Speaker 2: It would be amazing to watch. I would be pissed
Speaker 2: sitting at home, but that's what they're going for, and
Speaker 2: I get it. I mean I think back to it's
Speaker 2: happened before a couple of times, big times. I can
Speaker 2: remember when Austin walked out and his music played. And
Speaker 2: this is when, obviously, when Austin was gone, and I
Speaker 2: think Flair came out or maybe it was Batista, somebody
Speaker 2: else came out and they got massive heat. The other time,
Speaker 2: was Brett Hart when Seawn Michaels was in Montreal and
Speaker 2: I think this was two thousand and six, two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven, I forget what it was, and Michaels came
Speaker 2: out he was fighting Hulk Hogan at the time. I
Speaker 2: remember they were in a program. Yeah, so maybe it
Speaker 2: was O five so they I mean, you remember he
Speaker 2: came out in Montreal. Montreal was crapping all over him,
Speaker 2: and Michael's even though he's a babyface at the time,
Speaker 2: he laid into it. Who's your daddy, Montreal? And then
Speaker 2: he just he sang, oh Canada and just was an
Speaker 2: obnoxious heel, and then he talked about Brett Hart and
Speaker 2: how he's you know, he's screwed him and how he'd
Speaker 2: do it again. It's and then my god, when you
Speaker 2: hear the guitar strings, listen to that crowd, it's one
Speaker 2: of the biggest pops you'll ever hear.
Speaker 3: In your life.
Speaker 2: And uh, and then Michael's obviously was just was it
Speaker 2: was a complete hoax, you know, built by Michael's. Great
Speaker 2: it was you talk about I mean, so something like that,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm fine with that if you want to
Speaker 2: piss off the fans. If it ultimately leads to somehow
Speaker 2: Punk coming back, you know, but also building a heel.
Speaker 2: So yeah, now I'm getting myself all hyped up for this,
Speaker 2: of which I think nothing will happen. I think there's
Speaker 2: about a ninety five percent chance of neither one happening.
Speaker 2: But they're in Chicago. Like you said it, it's kind
Speaker 2: of damn coincidental. You have Punk kind of back. He's
Speaker 2: in a contract with Fox, and yet this program that
Speaker 2: he's on w B backstage is on Fox.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I would say no, but I would not rule this
Speaker 2: out at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm right there with you, And honestly, like as
Speaker 4: much as I want him to come.
Speaker 5: Back, I don't want it to be right now just
Speaker 5: because we are he's on our minds. I want him
Speaker 5: to do his backstage appearances for the show.
Speaker 4: Obviously, however frequently he's going to and then if he's
Speaker 4: gonna make his return, like n Ring, it'd be maybe
Speaker 4: a month or two months down the road where we
Speaker 4: it's not as fresh and he's not as freshly on
Speaker 4: our mind as.
Speaker 5: He is right now.
Speaker 6: So if he hadn't shown up this week, my answer
Speaker 6: would probably be very different.
Speaker 5: But yeah, right now, just kind of hold off on it.
Speaker 3: Totally agree.
Speaker 2: I mean I would want this, and I really believe
Speaker 2: that Punk is not ready to return into the ring.
Speaker 2: I know that it's going to happen.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a matter of if. I do
Speaker 2: believe it's a when, given that he's now dipped his
Speaker 2: toe back into wrestling and dipped his toe back into
Speaker 2: specifically WWE programming, even though he's not a WWE contracted
Speaker 2: employees with Fox. So I think it's when. But as
Speaker 2: you said, I don't want it now, and I don't
Speaker 2: believe the Rumble is a good place either, because you
Speaker 2: can't have him come in the Rumble just to what lose,
Speaker 2: and you can't have him win because to have him
Speaker 2: in the main event to win a championship, that's I mean,
Speaker 2: he's forty one years old.
Speaker 3: As he said. As much as as cool as that
Speaker 3: would be, it's about the he doesn't need it.
Speaker 2: No, what's he gonna do work a full time schedule,
Speaker 2: go house show, No, he's not doing that, So the
Speaker 2: Rumble to me is out. I just it makes no
Speaker 2: sense for him to be in the Rumble match itself.
Speaker 2: So but as you said, yeah, I think but okay,
Speaker 2: So bottom line is I think we will see CM
Speaker 2: punk between now and WrestleMania thirty six. I think at
Speaker 2: some point, even if it's at WrestleMania thirty six, we
Speaker 2: will see CM punk. I would you agree or were
Speaker 2: you saying maybe only optimist?
Speaker 5: Yeah? No, yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: On all right, Well now that I'm getting like all
Speaker 2: myself all hyped up about this happening and it probably
Speaker 2: will not sor I mean, now I'm all excited. All right, Well,
Speaker 2: let's get into the actual show. Let's get into the
Speaker 2: prettys for uh the pay per view and right at
Speaker 2: the top here as I go down the list, rock
Speaker 2: Lessner versus raymis Stereo for the WWE Championship. Actually, is
Speaker 2: there any chance Ray Mysterio wins?
Speaker 4: I think there's like a maybe one percent chance he wins,
Speaker 4: because you can never say never. But no, I think
Speaker 4: this is just gonna be just a demolishing of Ray Mysterio.
Speaker 4: He is such a great seller.
Speaker 5: Just he no one.
Speaker 4: It's it's kind of like a David and Glith type
Speaker 4: of situation, just because the sheer size difference.
Speaker 5: Brock as a beast.
Speaker 4: We all know that so I think this is just
Speaker 4: gonna be I think Ray will get like a few
Speaker 4: chops in a few shots because in the stipulation or
Speaker 4: the I think it's a no holds barred match correct
Speaker 4: and pretty much non disqualification.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I see him.
Speaker 4: Getting some shots, and I don't think it's going to
Speaker 4: be a quick like within like a minute or two
Speaker 4: minute type of thing or squash.
Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be maybe five six minutes.
Speaker 4: But I think Brock is gonna just destroy Ray.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's exactly what's going to happen. And there may
Speaker 2: be a couple of hope spots. Given the fact that
Speaker 2: this is a no holds barred match tells me that
Speaker 2: this isn't going to be a KOFE Kingston Special where
Speaker 2: it's you know, nine seconds. I think this should be
Speaker 2: probably seven minutes or less, where maybe even that's too much,
Speaker 2: but uh, this is going to be a match where
Speaker 2: Ray Maisterio might get one or two hope spots with
Speaker 2: a couple of weapons given it to no holds barred match,
Speaker 2: and oh Brock's down, can you know? Can he get
Speaker 2: his shoulders to the mat for three? And I mean
Speaker 2: there'll be a couple of times where that happens, specifically
Speaker 2: mcdominick probably interfering on Ray Masterio's behalf. Given it's no
Speaker 2: holds barred, he can come in and you know, come
Speaker 2: to his father's aid, of which I fully expect brock
Speaker 2: Lesner to probably f five both men, and I mean,
Speaker 2: I think that'll be the end of that and Ray
Speaker 2: Masterio moves on to something else. It's it's interesting though
Speaker 2: that given this whole storyline, you would think that after
Speaker 2: this would come Canevelaskaz, but instead it's reversed where it's, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, Caine and then ray but whatever. I mean,
Speaker 2: they had to have all this Saudi money invested in
Speaker 2: Kane Alaskaz and that whole I mean, that's a whole
Speaker 2: nother discussion. But it's just weird that it feels like
Speaker 2: it's backwards. But I'm fine with it. I'm actually more
Speaker 2: emotionally invested in this than I am with the Kanevelaskaz
Speaker 2: brock Lesser Matchic Crown jewel, just because I've done a
Speaker 2: really good job with this build. I mean, specifically Paul Hayman,
Speaker 2: who has sold this as he sells you know, ice
Speaker 2: to an Eskimo this guy is so damn good, and
Speaker 2: so I'm interested in this match from the perspective of
Speaker 2: not really who wins, but how you know how Ray
Speaker 2: is portrayed, because Ray is a legend. Ray is a
Speaker 2: guy that is a He's not He's not Kofe Kingston
Speaker 2: the fans, you know, while the fans were grassrooting supporting him.
Speaker 2: Ray Masteria is a luchador that is an absolute legend
Speaker 2: in Mexico. Mexico legend in the United States has one
Speaker 2: the championship on several occasions in the past. I believe
Speaker 2: it was in two thousand and five, two thousand and
Speaker 2: six against or against Triple H and Randy Orton. So
Speaker 2: he has done it. He has proven himself. So I
Speaker 2: think that he deserves a little more respect in getting
Speaker 2: a complete squash. So I would give it over under
Speaker 2: six minutes, and it's going to be a Brockleazer beat
Speaker 2: down with Dominic coming to his aid ultimately to fail.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent with everything
Speaker 5: he just said. The only thing I would.
Speaker 4: Just question and just throw out there just as curiosity
Speaker 4: and get your take really quick. Do you see a
Speaker 4: swerve coming with Dominic turning on Ray, Or do you
Speaker 4: see just Brock destroying Dominic and Ray? Or maybe Dominic's
Speaker 4: not even going to be ringside and just pretty much
Speaker 4: like you laid out, just Brock destroying Ray. Do you think,
Speaker 4: but do you think Dominic turns on Ray?
Speaker 2: I would say no, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm trying to think of a reason why
Speaker 2: he would and maybe the only there's only a couple
Speaker 2: of things I could think of. Well, Dad, you weren't
Speaker 2: able to come to my aid and you allowed brock
Speaker 2: Lesn to just beat me down. What kind of father
Speaker 2: are you? Or he could say, I remember what you
Speaker 2: did to me with Eddie Guerrero of putting custody of
Speaker 2: me up for grabs back in two thousand and four
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 4: Technically, and Ray isn't really Dominic's father. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: I mean this is pure craziness. I'm sure, but I
Speaker 4: mean just I don't know, just looking at the lineup
Speaker 4: and seeing this, you know, the stipulation that holds bar
Speaker 4: and like, I don't know, like if if it were
Speaker 4: to happen like this would be it. I don't know,
Speaker 4: just just a crazy thought.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't even think about it.
Speaker 2: I mean that would be I would be intrigued as hell.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no to that, but I wouldn't. I
Speaker 2: mean again, Vince McMahon's the crazier things.
Speaker 4: I don't know, And maybe it was just that the
Speaker 4: Paul Hammond if Vince wasn't there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I don't know if Dominic is
Speaker 2: ready to have an actual w W career, because if
Speaker 2: they turned him, that would mean that there's more to
Speaker 2: this story. And I don't know if he's at that
Speaker 2: level of being able to perform in a WW ring
Speaker 2: on live television to follow up with the story.
Speaker 3: I mean, so, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no because there's a lot that is
Speaker 2: attached to that and the follow up that would have
Speaker 2: to be done, and I don't think they're ready to do.
Speaker 2: But so ultimately I would say no.
Speaker 3: But intriguing. Intriguing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So no, No, that's that's so funny you bring
Speaker 2: that up.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 2: So all right, Becky Lynch versus Bailey versus SHANEA Basler.
Speaker 3: Tough one. This is honestly tough. But go ahead.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you pick on this one because I
Speaker 2: have been up in the air on this all day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I'm torn, and I'm town between two choices,
Speaker 4: and neither of them is Becky winning.
Speaker 5: I don't think Becky. I think out of all three
Speaker 5: of them, Becky is the last one who needs a
Speaker 5: victory here. So I'm torn between either Shana winning and
Speaker 5: maybe pinning Bailey. So you know, of course Shanna can
Speaker 5: brag that she won the match, but Becky, of course,
Speaker 5: they says she didn't actually pin her, and you know,
Speaker 5: so they can say that.
Speaker 4: Going you know, in the future. But part of me
Speaker 4: wants to say Bailey pulls the victory out in this
Speaker 4: because Shana and Becky are so focused on each other.
Speaker 4: Maybe Bailey gets taken out early in the match, kind
Speaker 4: of hides on the ringside or maybe throwing an ounce
Speaker 4: table or something like that, and then comes back later on,
Speaker 4: like just at the last second, and steals the victory.
Speaker 5: So as much as I want to say Shana, because
Speaker 5: I think it would be such a.
Speaker 4: Badass choice for them to actually have it sweep the
Speaker 4: night or even just I think Shana probably out of
Speaker 4: all three of them, needs the victory the most, so
Speaker 4: I would want to say Shana, but for some weird reason,
Speaker 4: I feel Bailey is going to get the victory here.
Speaker 2: Man I you know, when you brought up that explanation,
Speaker 2: I think the easy thing, the easy thing to say
Speaker 2: Shana beats Bailey because, as you said, it covers a
Speaker 2: lot of bases here. It establishes Shana Basiler as a legit,
Speaker 2: you know, a legit women's competitor who belongs that she
Speaker 2: is on equal footing or even higher than Bailey is.
Speaker 2: And it protects Becky Lynch, who has been protected since
Speaker 2: since she won the championship at WrestleMania thirty five, So
Speaker 2: it keeps her out of the decision and Scott free.
Speaker 2: And Bailey, who attacked Shana, you know, seemed to be
Speaker 2: a bit concerned at the look of Shana Basler's face
Speaker 2: after she attacked her and threw into the stairs, and
Speaker 2: there's some fear there. And got the one up on her,
Speaker 2: which we all know is the golden rule for you
Speaker 2: get the one up before the paper view typically typically
Speaker 2: you would lose out the pay per view. So there's
Speaker 2: a lot pointing to that solution. There's a lot pointing
Speaker 2: to Shana beating Bailey, and Becky staying out of the decision,
Speaker 2: and you know, nobody's really damn imaged by this, and
Speaker 2: it elevates Shana Basler.
Speaker 3: So that's the easy solution.
Speaker 2: So I think, do I go with what the easy
Speaker 2: money is or do I take a shot at you know,
Speaker 2: could Becky. You could even make a case for Becky
Speaker 2: winning this. What I would say is, I think we're
Speaker 2: probably in agreement that Bailey's going to be the one
Speaker 2: to take the fall because in the pecking order of
Speaker 2: these three champions, you could argue pretty easily that Bailey
Speaker 2: is at the third spot. And that's not no just
Speaker 2: to her, you know, no disrespect, but that's just kind
Speaker 2: of the pecking order at least in the presentation of
Speaker 2: this match, that Bailey is the.
Speaker 3: Third wheel here.
Speaker 2: So you can make a case that Becky beats Bailey,
Speaker 2: which protects Shana you don't want her losing, and Becky
Speaker 2: can claim that she's the supreme woman.
Speaker 3: Whatever. This is tough.
Speaker 2: So it's either to me, oh man, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: with the damn easy money like a coward, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say that Shana Basler beats Bailey and Becky Lynch
Speaker 2: try to interfere in just at the last second, she
Speaker 2: can't do it, and Shana Basler beats Bailey, and yeah,
Speaker 2: not interesting, But I'm gonna take the easy one there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I mean one of us had to make
Speaker 4: that choice, and I was fifty to fifty with it,
Speaker 4: so I'm glad you did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not interesting, it's not creative, it's not getting
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 5: You know. Honestly, it's not a bad choice. But like
Speaker 5: you said, it's not the most exciting.
Speaker 2: It's not I'm trying to be creative because you could,
Speaker 2: you could make a case for all three and honestly,
Speaker 2: like having Bailey win may not be the worst thing
Speaker 2: in the world because having Bailey, say, pin Becky, Becky's
Speaker 2: teflon right now. I think Becky, there's no titles on
Speaker 2: the line, so it doesn't matter if Benny loses. So
Speaker 2: if you have Bailey win, I think Bailey needs it
Speaker 2: more than any of them because she has turned heel
Speaker 2: and then not had a great follow up to it.
Speaker 3: She did what we.
Speaker 2: Wanted her to do, and then they're like all right,
Speaker 2: so like, well keep going here. I mean, they just
Speaker 2: really to the momentum, and having done a lot with her,
Speaker 2: So having Bailey win this, considering this whole pay per
Speaker 2: view is just about bragging rights, they might as well
Speaker 2: prename it that. It's that would to me be a
Speaker 2: better fit for Bailey to brag on than Becky Lynch
Speaker 2: because it can only go so far with a baby face.
Speaker 2: With a victory like this, it's just nothing more than
Speaker 2: bragging rights. So to me, Bailey needs it the most.
Speaker 2: But I think Shane is gonna end up being the
Speaker 2: victor here, so tough one. Honestly, I would not put
Speaker 2: an money on this match if I was anybody out
Speaker 2: there listening, do not bet on this match.
Speaker 3: It is way too unpredictable.
Speaker 5: So yes, yes, none at all. Yeah, no, again, I
Speaker 5: agree with you.
Speaker 4: That's why maybe it's just me like hoping they go
Speaker 4: with Billy because, like you just explained, she needs it
Speaker 4: more than any of them, and pretty much her storyline
Speaker 4: and her bill going into this was that people were
Speaker 4: not focusing on her. So what better way than to
Speaker 4: than to really steal and solidify her healed turn and
Speaker 4: run going forward would be to have her pretty much
Speaker 4: back up everything that she's been saying for the past
Speaker 4: few weeks. So again, it may just be me wishful thinking,
Speaker 4: and like you said, it could just go with shanea winning,
Speaker 4: which is fine, like like you said, but yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5: I'm sticking with Bailey. But I could very very well
Speaker 5: see it being Shana.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is I mean, I keep looking at this,
Speaker 2: looking at this match, and I'm convincing myself looking at
Speaker 2: each name of how they could win, and all of
Speaker 2: them are plausible but all right.
Speaker 4: And really quick just and this kind of ties into
Speaker 4: like our picks going for it. But so did they
Speaker 4: have they mentioned how you actually win the whole night,
Speaker 4: like how what brand wins? Is it which brand wins
Speaker 4: the majority of the matches or is it?
Speaker 3: This is ok?
Speaker 2: Yep, nope, and that this is why you're gonna get
Speaker 2: me out of rant. I'm not gonna I'm gonna pretend
Speaker 2: you didn't say that.
Speaker 3: I'll just say that. No, they have not explained that.
Speaker 7: Soap Nope, Nope, we'll get there. The Viking Raiders, Eric
Speaker 7: and I have are raw tag team champions versus the
Speaker 7: New Day versus the Undisputed Era. H My pick on
Speaker 7: this again not easy. It's it's hard when titles aren't
Speaker 7: on the line, because that's usually an indicator of who
Speaker 7: could win the match, and when.
Speaker 4: You have to say, you really think about you know,
Speaker 4: like the title matches are the easier ones to predict
Speaker 4: than the non title matches.
Speaker 3: It really is, is that it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna say I don't think the Viking
Speaker 2: Raiders here win.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't, which is unfortunate because they had a
Speaker 2: lot of momentum after they won the Raw Tag Team Championship.
Speaker 2: The crowd was with them during that match. They put
Speaker 2: on a damn good match and had a decent follow
Speaker 2: up promo, and then they just disappeared New Day. I
Speaker 2: honestly I don't with them as Tag Team champions. It
Speaker 2: doesn't do anything for me because to me, at this point,
Speaker 2: they are beyond the Tag Team champions Championship and the
Speaker 2: Undisputed Era, the.
Speaker 3: Up and comers.
Speaker 2: They're the new Shiny Toy, They're the NXT Tag Team Champions.
Speaker 2: I guess I'll predict an Undisputed Era win.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 2: Not interesting, but to me it's not. It's not interesting.
Speaker 2: But what's even more less interesting.
Speaker 3: To me is New Day winning. Who cares?
Speaker 2: I mean if the New Day win, Okay, we already
Speaker 2: know They're a great tag team. They've been together for
Speaker 2: like what five years now, They're great, wonderful. I mean,
Speaker 2: so they win. The Viking Raiders they're less interesting, which
Speaker 2: is again unfortunate, but the way they're positioned on the
Speaker 2: show and presented, I don't see them beating and winning
Speaker 2: this match. But this could be an upset match and
Speaker 2: that'd be fine with me. But I think right now,
Speaker 2: the Undisputed Era is gonna be the one to win.
Speaker 5: You, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: I think Undisputed Era needs the victory more than any
Speaker 4: other team, which is crazy to say because the Viking
Speaker 4: Raiders need a victory as well. They're still in the
Speaker 4: process of being established themselves. So but yeah, I think
Speaker 4: Underspeedter takes Underspeeded Aaron takes it here, and I'm kind
Speaker 4: of bombed that, you know, the Noon Day ended up
Speaker 4: beating Revival for the attack ting titles and ended up
Speaker 4: in this match. No and no like offense or no
Speaker 4: knock against them because they're great and it's gonna be
Speaker 4: a great match. I was just, I guess looking forward
Speaker 4: to the Revival being in there, because then it would just
Speaker 4: be have a completely different feel to it. But yeah,
Speaker 4: so I think underspeeded era takes it here. But again
Speaker 4: that kind of plays into my whole questioning of and
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to get you on a ramp, but.
Speaker 5: The whole how like how does one brand win?
Speaker 4: Because that would determine my my predictions here because if
Speaker 4: let's say the whole the thing was whoever, whichever brand
Speaker 4: won the majority of the matches that they were involved in.
Speaker 4: So like let's say out of whatever five matches that
Speaker 4: you could each brand was involved in NXT one all
Speaker 4: five or like to win the night, that that's what
Speaker 4: they would have to do or win the majority Like
Speaker 4: that would you know, determine my predictions.
Speaker 5: But I guess yeah, I'll just go under speed of
Speaker 5: air here.
Speaker 2: Again, I mean, this was never explained and it was
Speaker 2: it should have been, and it was never explained because
Speaker 2: it's just w B left and vague. Yeah, I mean again,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna even sell me, which I am nowhere
Speaker 2: near being sold on brand supremacy being a thing or
Speaker 2: nor do I care about this actually, you know, being
Speaker 2: something that's on the line as a tangible victory, a
Speaker 2: tangible prize, it's not. And to believe that everyone who
Speaker 2: just suddenly gets drafted of their not of their own
Speaker 2: choice to a brand and suddenly decides that, oh, you're
Speaker 2: wearing the same color as me, We're cool, we're friends,
Speaker 2: and has this loyalty beyond like, well, well you made
Speaker 2: fun of my family and threatened my family or you
Speaker 2: ran me down with the car, but look we're on
Speaker 2: the same brand that matters more than any championship or
Speaker 2: personal agenda is absolutely garbage. I mean, So for them
Speaker 2: to tell us that brand supremacy is on the line
Speaker 2: and then not even tell us again if this was
Speaker 2: something I cared about, which I don't, not even tell
Speaker 2: us how that that brand supremacy would be, would be
Speaker 2: would be taken, and would be actually awarded to that
Speaker 2: brand whoever won, and not tell us how that happens
Speaker 2: is also doubly bad. I mean, it's just poor storytelling
Speaker 2: upon poor storytelling, And and this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: I would assume, I would assume that what's gonna happen
Speaker 2: here is I don't any see any brand getting a
Speaker 2: clean sweep. If that ever happens, it could be NXT
Speaker 2: and if it is, then great they can claim brand
Speaker 2: supremacy because they had a sweep. But I would assume
Speaker 2: that if it's probably gonna be here and there, if
Speaker 2: Smackling gets one, Row gets one, and and uh and
Speaker 2: NXT gets the rest, what I would think is, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know the tag team division you had, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: the the undisputed era claim brand supremacy there, and they'll
Speaker 2: they'll break it off by like departments or sections of
Speaker 2: the brand or of the product, And that's probably what
Speaker 2: they're gonna do.
Speaker 5: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: God, anyway, I just I honestly can't wait till after Sunday.
Speaker 2: I am looking so forward to this being over just
Speaker 2: from that perspective.
Speaker 3: The rest of the card.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, Brock Good the Fiend and
Speaker 2: Daniel Bryant will get to I'm looking forward to that too.
Speaker 2: Ages styles that triple threat, Like, I'm fine too, But man,
Speaker 2: is this is a triple threat. I never want to
Speaker 2: see a multi person man match again ever from WWE
Speaker 2: after this.
Speaker 3: I mean, just think about the.
Speaker 2: Sheer number of people in these matches you have. You
Speaker 2: have two matches in which you have fifteen people men
Speaker 2: and women in each match. You have thirty people in
Speaker 2: two matches. I mean, it's just all right, let's move
Speaker 2: to team Raw. We have Charlotte Flair, Natalia Oscar, Kyrie Sane,
Speaker 2: and Sarah Logan versus Sasha Banks Teams Backdown, Carmela Dana Brook,
Speaker 2: Lacy Evans and Nicky Cross versus Team NXT Rhea Ripley
Speaker 2: and her. It says four members to be announced, but
Speaker 2: I believe they were defined at this point. So Ria
Speaker 2: Ripley is the team captain, and I'm so glad that
Speaker 2: WW decided not to make that a thing this year
Speaker 2: either that people fight over being team captain as if
Speaker 2: it gives them some kind of power. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: glad that that wasn't a thing this year. That people
Speaker 2: just self appointed and that's fine.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 2: So what do you think about this? Who wins this?
Speaker 2: I mean this is also kind of up in the air.
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like a lot of these are
Speaker 2: up in the air with no championships on the line
Speaker 2: and just bragging, right, So any.
Speaker 5: Thoughts, Honestly, I don't. I don't know, because I don't.
Speaker 5: I would my prediction would be NXT.
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be a very good match, but
Speaker 4: I think the NXC women are gonna pull it on.
Speaker 4: I think this weekend is gonna be Ria Ripley's weekend.
Speaker 4: I just I think, but just how they've been showcasing
Speaker 4: her within the bill these past few weeks up until
Speaker 4: this point, I think she's really gonna shine here. So
Speaker 4: I think they're going to go with NXT taking the
Speaker 4: victory here, and I think my prediction is gonna be
Speaker 4: the is the last woman standing for her team?
Speaker 3: All right? Yeah? Yeah, no, I could.
Speaker 2: I could see that, And again, maybe that is the
Speaker 2: right choice here. Maybe that is the right choice because honestly,
Speaker 2: Team Raw with Charlotte and Tally, Oscar Kyrie saying Sara Logan,
Speaker 2: and same with Team Smack then with all those women
Speaker 2: I just mentioned.
Speaker 5: The team who needs this victory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't think nobody, honestly, nobody needs this
Speaker 2: victory from teams or from spack Down and Raw. If
Speaker 2: this is going to be a pay for view about
Speaker 2: a clean suite from NXT, fine, I mean the fine
Speaker 2: that would put them on the map, and I would
Speaker 2: I would actually advocate for that rather than just you know,
Speaker 2: well you get one, I get one, they get one,
Speaker 2: you get one, I get one and gets all evenly split.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So if they're gonna do this, and do it right.
Speaker 2: As bad as the storytelling is, at least tell us
Speaker 2: a good, bad story of Team NXT doing a clean
Speaker 2: sweat and they can claim true brand supremacy. Fine, I
Speaker 2: mean I could see that actually happening. I mean, so
Speaker 2: far we have both picked well, I have picked anyway.
Speaker 2: You picked Bailey, but I picked Shana Basler, and then
Speaker 2: we picked both the Undisputed Era, and now you're picking
Speaker 2: Riya Ripley Team NXT.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pick.
Speaker 2: The same thing because to me, it just makes the
Speaker 2: most sense.
Speaker 3: And I just see no other way around.
Speaker 2: My mic just went out. I see no other way
Speaker 2: around this. I just don't see how it makes sense
Speaker 2: for teams smack down our team brought to win. So
Speaker 2: even though Riya Ripley and the members that she's with
Speaker 2: they have been feuding on NXT and we're all just
Speaker 2: supposed to put our differences aside. Fine, whatever, I'll buy
Speaker 2: it in NXT too. I'll just buy the crap they're
Speaker 2: selling me on that. And I just think it's NXT
Speaker 2: being put on the map. Wwe knows that they have
Speaker 2: a gem in NXT, and like you said, they beat
Speaker 2: a w this week for.
Speaker 3: The first time.
Speaker 2: In congrats, but as Chris Jericho also tweeted out hilariously said,
Speaker 2: this is a marathon, not a sprint, mocking what w
Speaker 2: W press release said the first week that this came out.
Speaker 2: So God, I love Jericho, so yes, I again. Short
Speaker 2: answer is NXT wins this. Uh this five on five
Speaker 2: on five Women's elimination match.
Speaker 5: Yep? I agree?
Speaker 4: Now can we can we please move on to the
Speaker 4: Fiend and very much or I'm sorry and Dan O'Brien, yes, but.
Speaker 2: Before don't worry, we have more triple threats to come.
Speaker 2: But yes, let me just well, you brought it up.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: I I'm so concerned about this one, and that's why
Speaker 4: i want to talk about it now, just because it's
Speaker 4: been I've been thinking about it kind of when I
Speaker 4: was looking at the lineup earlier, and I'm just dying
Speaker 4: to know, like your true prediction here, because I'm I'm torn.
Speaker 4: Part of me, I don't I think they're just going
Speaker 4: to have the Fiend like demolish. If we're gonna get
Speaker 4: a squash match, I think it's going to be this one.
Speaker 4: As much as it hurts my heart to say it,
Speaker 4: because I love Dane O'Brien, but I think the Fiend
Speaker 4: is just going to just demolish uh Daniel Brian here
Speaker 4: just very quick, because that was I think the last
Speaker 4: time we spoke. What my concern was going forward after
Speaker 4: his match with Seth Rollins is how do you how
Speaker 4: does any regular human being in a regular match beat
Speaker 4: the Fiend?
Speaker 5: You know, if he.
Speaker 4: Can kick out of however many curvestms and just everything
Speaker 4: that Seth put him through, how how can you just
Speaker 4: like regularly beat the Fiend? So I just I see
Speaker 4: him just crushing Daniel Brian here and then Daniel Brien
Speaker 4: just kind of disappearing for a while, which again hurts
Speaker 4: me to say, but I'm just curious to see what
Speaker 4: your your prediction is. So obviously mine is the theme,
Speaker 4: but I'm curious to hear your thoughts after seeing SmackDown
Speaker 4: and everything that happened this week.
Speaker 2: So man, I think that what's gonna happen here the
Speaker 2: theend is before I give my my prediction that I
Speaker 2: want to set the table. The Fiend is one of
Speaker 2: the best characters WW has pumped out in the last
Speaker 2: ten years, and they had a huge, huge setback with
Speaker 2: Helen a Cell. I'm talking I've never I can't recall
Speaker 2: a pay per view in which it damaged so much
Speaker 2: in WWE's product and characters with Seth and Bray. Then
Speaker 2: did Helen is Cell's finish. I'm still talking about it
Speaker 2: two months later or whatever it was, however long it's been.
Speaker 2: It was that bad and it really overexposed the fiend
Speaker 2: who should not be in a twenty minute match, and
Speaker 2: the whole kicking out was be it hurt the product
Speaker 2: itself of professional wrestling, of unbelievability, I mean to the
Speaker 2: point of like, Okay, we've seen an undertaker do this
Speaker 2: at times, but not twelve times, right or whatever it was,
Speaker 2: so the believability factor completely took me out of that
Speaker 2: as well, like Okay, this is just this is not
Speaker 2: even believable. And then the finish, which of course we
Speaker 2: all know of a no contest, and the re for
Speaker 2: recalling it. The whole thing was just a complete mess
Speaker 2: and it still lingers to now. The stench of it
Speaker 2: has not gone away. The rebuilding, they did the right
Speaker 2: thing a crown jewel, putting the belt on the on wyat,
Speaker 2: but was it a little bit too little, too late?
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I think it was the right decision,
Speaker 2: and they're not overexposing the Fiend and his entrance is
Speaker 2: still badass, and he still is super intriguing on on screen.
Speaker 2: When he's on the screen, you want to watch the
Speaker 2: firefly fun house makes is still entertaining to me?
Speaker 3: Is he as haw as he was?
Speaker 2: No, but he's getting warmer to where he should be.
Speaker 2: So with all that said, and now you have Daniel Bryan,
Speaker 2: who was it was a big baby face turned heel
Speaker 2: killed the S movement, was a you know, glorified, you
Speaker 2: know what, egotistical vegan and then told people to recycle
Speaker 2: and we're destroying the world. And then he's an intellectual
Speaker 2: superior with Eric Rowan and who is now was just
Speaker 2: rowing and then he has a I don't know, he's
Speaker 2: carrying around something in a cage too that we don't
Speaker 2: even know. And then now he's just kind of like
Speaker 2: in between. We don't know where he's at. He doesn't
Speaker 2: say a whole lot. So all that with Daniel Brian
Speaker 2: kind of lukewarm. The fans don't know where he's at.
Speaker 2: He hasn't brought the Yes movement back. The Fiend is
Speaker 2: still babyface in the eyes of fans.
Speaker 3: And he just is.
Speaker 2: I would still say that the Fiend wins, and I'll
Speaker 2: say that the Fiend wins because the Fiend just won
Speaker 2: the championship and it would be I think unfair to
Speaker 2: not let this breathe a little bit.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: How he wins is going to be the key. Does
Speaker 2: Daniel Brian end up being squashed?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: If it's a squash match, I would hope not. I
Speaker 2: don't need the Fiend running through people like that to
Speaker 2: that would damage Daniel Brian and all the all the
Speaker 2: progress that he's made. I would say that it's a
Speaker 2: relatively short match. I would say that Daniel Brian gets
Speaker 2: in some healthy offense. I need to see the Fiend
Speaker 2: more human. I don't need to see him this unbelievable,
Speaker 2: you know, just I can take anything and still stand
Speaker 2: here that that's a little that's too much for me
Speaker 2: to bear, and it'll hurt his Gray White's character even further.
Speaker 2: So I need some vulnerability from Wyatt, and I think
Speaker 2: Daniel Brian will be able to give you some moments
Speaker 2: where you go, yeah, this this could happen. But ultimately
Speaker 2: I think the Fiend wins. I think it's decisively not
Speaker 2: a squash, but decisively, and Daniel Brian goes away for
Speaker 2: a while but not too long, and when he comes back,
Speaker 2: I think he'll revive the Yes movement.
Speaker 3: So that's my thought.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with and I hope you're right. And
Speaker 4: as you were kind of talking right there, it kind
Speaker 4: of anything about what you're probably one of your first
Speaker 4: questions was from me earlier.
Speaker 5: About the seeds being planted here.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think, and of course we both
Speaker 4: predicted the Fiend winning. I think if anything is it
Speaker 4: happened between the Fiend and Undertaker for WrestleMania this year,
Speaker 4: I could see that starting here tomorrow. Again, it's just
Speaker 4: pure speculation on my part, and it very well could
Speaker 4: just be like a wishful thinking, but I could see
Speaker 4: like maybe Undertaker's music hitting and maybe not seeing the
Speaker 4: Undertaker himself, but just like his music like.
Speaker 5: The Dong or something like that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I again, I see the Fiend taking the
Speaker 4: win here and if anything is to happen for him
Speaker 4: for WrestleMania for this year, I could kind of see
Speaker 4: it maybe starting tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, could the Gong happen? It could?
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're like me and you read the
Speaker 2: wrestling rumors on the big websites. You know that the
Speaker 2: rumor right now is Roman Reigns being built up to
Speaker 2: face Pray Wyatt at WrestleMania. So if that's the case,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how Roman Rains interjects himself
Speaker 2: into this, but I'm I mean it should be a
Speaker 2: TLC or royal rumble that these two start to, you know,
Speaker 2: get closer to each other's paths. So if that is
Speaker 2: indeed the case where they're going for Roman Reigns versus
Speaker 2: the Fiend, which I think is a I'm interested in
Speaker 2: the match. I'm interested as hell in the match, but
Speaker 2: I could see all this good will and progress towards
Speaker 2: Roman Reigns not being booed completely being destroyed at WrestleMania
Speaker 2: because the fans will turn on Roman Reigns in a
Speaker 2: heartbeat for the Fiend, especially if the championships on the line,
Speaker 2: because they'll remember, oh yeah, that's right. We don't like
Speaker 2: Roman when it comes to, you know, characters that we
Speaker 2: support organically, and you know, I think all of that bad,
Speaker 2: all those bad vibes will come back to Roman. But again,
Speaker 2: that's we're talking about a match five months that hasn't
Speaker 2: even been announced, So could the gong happen? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean it could. There was hints at the one of
Speaker 2: the Firefly fun houses. We all remember he changed the
Speaker 2: clock from three sixteen to eleven nineteen, and we all
Speaker 2: know what that date is for, so happened. Maybe it
Speaker 2: could happen. Something's going to happen in this match that
Speaker 2: I think leads us to Bray White's potential next opponent.
Speaker 2: I think that that's probably what's gonna come out of this.
Speaker 2: I just don't know how or what. And as I'm
Speaker 2: looking at the stipulation here, this is not a no
Speaker 2: holds barred This is a straight up match our rules
Speaker 2: in this match, So which is what I want to
Speaker 2: see too. I don't need to see the Fiend in
Speaker 2: you know, constant hardcore Helena Cell, you know, no holds
Speaker 2: barred matches, So it'll be interesting to see him that
Speaker 2: the confines of an actual match. How the Fiend fares.
Speaker 2: But Daniel Brown ultimately loses this and I think he
Speaker 2: goes away for a.
Speaker 5: Little while, So yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Oh man, So back to this lovely triple threat pay
Speaker 2: per view. We have Team Raw on the men's side,
Speaker 2: we have Team Raw, Rollins, McIntyre, Owens, Orton and Ricochet
Speaker 2: versus Teams Backdown, Roland, Reins, mustaf Ali, Stroman Corbin and
Speaker 2: Shorty G versus Team NX TEA. I'm gonna take a
Speaker 2: breath and toss this to you. I mean, honestly, Uh,
Speaker 2: maybe this one's a little bit not You can make
Speaker 2: a case maybe for NXT not winning this, but I
Speaker 2: don't know what are your thoughts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of see Teams SmackDown taking the victory here.
Speaker 4: If we're not going to go with the NXC sweep
Speaker 4: in the night, I can kind of see SmackDown taking
Speaker 4: it here.
Speaker 5: I just see people like.
Speaker 4: Musaf Ali and Shorty G just kind of needing this
Speaker 4: victory here more than maybe any of the other brands. Again,
Speaker 4: but I don't I don't think we know the exact
Speaker 4: lineup for the NX Team team though correct. We don't
Speaker 4: think we know any of the guys that I know.
Speaker 2: I was trying to find that too. I don't see.
Speaker 4: Earlier because I think I think that's still to be determined.
Speaker 5: So I think that kind of maybe would sway my
Speaker 5: my choice here.
Speaker 2: But I think right now, go ahead, No, as I say,
Speaker 2: I think Adam Adam Cole I believe is uh probably
Speaker 2: the team captain on that wasn't he?
Speaker 4: No, I think he's gonna be facing Pete Dunn or
Speaker 4: or whoever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's facing Oh my goodness, yeah Pete.
Speaker 5: So yeah are the guys, So I know.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of that's what makes me kind of
Speaker 4: leary to make a like a firm choice here. But
Speaker 4: as of right now, I guess I would go SmackDown
Speaker 4: without knowing who the actual team is for NXT.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, which is.
Speaker 4: Kind of surprising to me, Like they don't have anyone
Speaker 4: listed because it can't be like five surprises obviously, So
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know, just kind of interested to
Speaker 4: see who ends up being on the team.
Speaker 5: Unless I'm completely missing something here.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's gonna ultimately come down to Randy Orton,
Speaker 2: who is just a mainstay in elimination matches.
Speaker 3: I love the way Randy Orton.
Speaker 2: Randy Orton is just a magician when it comes to
Speaker 2: these five on five on five elimination and he has
Speaker 2: a history of being either the sole survivor or next
Speaker 2: to last survivor. So I think it's maybe could come
Speaker 2: down to Orton versus Reins, And again I'm looking for
Speaker 2: the next team members and I just don't see them,
Speaker 2: but it could come down to probably one of those
Speaker 2: three and and ultimately Randy Orton. Randy Orton I could
Speaker 2: see turning on his own team. Randy Orton just has
Speaker 2: that in him. There's something going on with Randy Orton
Speaker 2: that is different from what his past character has been.
Speaker 2: In the last few years, he has been featured a
Speaker 2: little bit more in terms of this is a this
Speaker 2: is a legacy star, this is a guy that, yeah,
Speaker 2: we all know who in what he is. But there's
Speaker 2: something happening with Randy Orton. I think they planned a
Speaker 2: seed a few weeks ago about you know, telling Ricochet
Speaker 2: that don't let me get you, don't let me get
Speaker 2: in your head. There's something there, I think, and maybe
Speaker 2: I'm reading more into it, but I think Randy Orton
Speaker 2: can play a larger role than we think in this match,
Speaker 2: because when we look at it, we go, oh, Randy Orton, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he'll give a couple of r KOs and ultimately, you know,
Speaker 2: get eliminated. But I don't know, maybe he could cost
Speaker 2: his own team the match, but we'll have to see
Speaker 2: so that those are my thoughts. I think my prediction, Man,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go I'm gonna go balls to the
Speaker 2: wall and just go all out here and say t
Speaker 2: NXT wins and they clean sweep the night. And I
Speaker 2: think Randy Orton is gonna cost his own team or
Speaker 2: get the r k O and have t n XT
Speaker 2: capitalize and get the victory off the r k O.
Speaker 2: So I think that's how it ends. Interestingly, though I
Speaker 2: don't know. It's hard in so many damn people with
Speaker 2: rollins and rains there they're they're clearly I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Could they also take the fall? Probably not,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. So that's my prediction. Randy Orton
Speaker 2: hits an r k O, t n XT capitalizes and wins.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, all right, but I hope because I think
Speaker 4: nx NXT needs, you know, the wins here more than
Speaker 4: anyone else. But for me, I wouldn't be surprised for
Speaker 4: them to kind of give Shorty g and Allie and
Speaker 4: I could be everythinking that because they probably don't. I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna say they don't care about them, because obviously
Speaker 4: they do, but they their focus right now isn't on them.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I could very well see NXC take in here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll be again this there's too much
Speaker 2: triple threat for me. I can't handle this. And honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm also thinking about how is this actually gonna work
Speaker 2: from a logiousics standpoint, as far as five on five
Speaker 2: on five, if you have three guys in the ring,
Speaker 2: there's assumingly there'll be three guys in the ring at
Speaker 2: all times. I would that they can only tag their team,
Speaker 2: their own team. I would guess that that's the case, right.
Speaker 2: They can't just tag anybody and have them enter the match.
Speaker 2: I mean, that wasn't never clarified either, because I've seen
Speaker 2: matches where that happens, and I I don't know. I
Speaker 2: would assume they can only tag in people that are
Speaker 2: on their team, but that was never clear.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I like it, like you, Like you said, I could
Speaker 4: see maybe, like you know, a bad guy, like a
Speaker 4: heel tagging in, you know, the guy was in the
Speaker 4: reg you know, like something like that.
Speaker 5: But because they.
Speaker 4: Never they obviously didn't give us like a set of
Speaker 4: rules or anything here yet, and then maybe they will
Speaker 4: tomorrow when the paper you actually starts are like an
Speaker 4: appreciate or something because of right now, I'm not sure
Speaker 4: I would assume, like you said that you have to
Speaker 4: tag your own partner or yeah.
Speaker 2: You would think, but you know, it's it's crazy that
Speaker 2: I should have to think like this. But I've seen
Speaker 2: matches in which you can tag anybody in and they
Speaker 2: have to be you know. So again, they bend the
Speaker 2: rules when they need them. But the other thing is,
Speaker 2: and I know we're not not at the rumble yet,
Speaker 2: but when they have guys who are eliminated and they
Speaker 2: leave the match, come in and eliminate people that are
Speaker 2: still in the match, like that kind of thing, how
Speaker 2: does that happen?
Speaker 3: Right? Like, how does that happen?
Speaker 2: You can't It's as if you know, you're you're playing football,
Speaker 2: and you know, I end up being injured and I'm
Speaker 2: officially out of the game, and then I come in
Speaker 2: and I interfere in a in a past to the
Speaker 2: team that I'm opposing, you got him out of the game,
Speaker 2: and they call it, oh, well, you know.
Speaker 3: He didn't catch the pass.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, you're out of the game. It's like
Speaker 2: a fan interfering. They are no longer relevant. So I'll
Speaker 2: save that ran for another month and a half. But again,
Speaker 2: that happens every year. So all right, Well down to
Speaker 2: this match here that you called possibly the match of
Speaker 2: the night. AJ Styles versus shins Ke, Nakamara versus Roderick Strong. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this has potential match in the night written all over it.
Speaker 3: Who wins?
Speaker 4: Though, Man, this one was actually pretty hard for me
Speaker 4: to make a decision on here. I could see AJ
Speaker 4: winning because I could see him bragging about it. I
Speaker 4: could see I could see any of them winning and
Speaker 4: bragging about it, honestly, but I think I think here
Speaker 4: they're gonna go shit.
Speaker 5: Nakamura.
Speaker 4: I think Shinske oddly enough needs it more than any
Speaker 4: of them, just to establish his his his role right
Speaker 4: now in his reign as Intercal Champion, which, by the way,
Speaker 4: that new title is, in my opinion, is just beautiful.
Speaker 4: I just think it's it's so so well done. I
Speaker 4: didn't really think that they needed to replace the title,
Speaker 4: but it's it. I think it's a beautiful title none
Speaker 4: the less. But yeah, I think Shinskate pulls it out here,
Speaker 4: and I do think this is gonna be match of
Speaker 4: the night maybe besides the women's match. The triple threat.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I definitely I think this is gonna be
Speaker 4: match at night. I think Schinsk pulls it out here,
Speaker 4: and I can see Seemmy just bragging about this for
Speaker 4: weeks on.
Speaker 2: In very possible, I would say that's my number two choice.
Speaker 2: The only reason I'm going with Roderick Strong here is
Speaker 2: because I'm continuing with my theme of the NXT sweep,
Speaker 2: and I think that Roderick could if he's gonna pin somebody,
Speaker 2: I think AJ Styles is probably the better candidate, given
Speaker 2: that shins K seems to be on the upswing, and
Speaker 2: I don't need Shinsk to lose another match, So Roderick
Speaker 2: should pin aj Styles in my opinion, and keep Shinsky
Speaker 2: out of it and continue with the sweep.
Speaker 3: I think AJ Styles can lose right now.
Speaker 2: AJ Styles right now is just kind of part of
Speaker 2: the o C. They're the only one that comes to
Speaker 2: Raw's aid inexplicably, and they like AJ Styles is a
Speaker 2: bit He's a bit teflon. I think that he can
Speaker 2: take this loss and it wouldn't hurt him a damn
Speaker 2: bit and we all move on with our lives. So
Speaker 2: I think Roderick Strong is probably gonna take the victory.
Speaker 2: And as you said, the new IC title, it's one
Speaker 2: of those things we didn't know we needed. And when
Speaker 2: you look at it, like you said, I'm not huge
Speaker 2: on titles the way they look. Although I hated the
Speaker 2: Spinner Belt for like eight years. It was like a
Speaker 2: toy to me. When John Cena did it, it just
Speaker 2: cem It's cemented further why I just despised his babyface
Speaker 2: character and as brilliant as he is on the and
Speaker 2: he's a talented guy, hard work, all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: that was to me a complete devaluation of the championship.
Speaker 2: But that's again another show. So yeah, it's one of
Speaker 2: those things I didn't know we needed. And I look
Speaker 2: at it and I go, I'm on board for that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's all right. Yeah, and it made.
Speaker 2: It feel a little bit more up to date, and
Speaker 2: it made it feel a little bit more valuable. And yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: it doesn't always instantly make the championship, you know, more prestigious,
Speaker 2: but when you give something a new fresh coat of paint,
Speaker 2: sometimes that can work. Wonders and I'm fine with this.
Speaker 2: I would think that it's anything right now that it
Speaker 2: can help. Shinske is something I'm on board for so
Speaker 2: Roderick Strong beats aj Styles and continues with the sweep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Hey, I hope you're right. I hope it does
Speaker 5: sweep it the whole night.
Speaker 4: I mean, last year we saw that it doesn't really matter,
Speaker 4: but I think it's different this year.
Speaker 5: So I think if any brand is going.
Speaker 4: To sweep of obviously it should be NXT, just with
Speaker 4: all the implications and everything going on around you know,
Speaker 4: Wednesday night in and of itself. So yeah, I hope
Speaker 4: you're right, and I hope it is a sweep for NXT.
Speaker 2: I do too, because that's the only good thing that
Speaker 2: can come out of all of this. Yeah, total nonsensical, unbelievable,
Speaker 2: awful storytelling of this. Oh it's November. We got to
Speaker 2: all hate each other because we're on different brands, Like
Speaker 2: this is the only good thing that can come out
Speaker 2: of it as a clean sweep for NXT, because I
Speaker 2: think the benefits of that completely outweigh any other victories
Speaker 2: that any other team can get because everyone will bounce back.
Speaker 2: Everybody's going to go back to their own worlds, go
Speaker 2: back to you know, I'm on SmackDown, I'm on NXT,
Speaker 2: and I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3: That's the way it should be.
Speaker 2: So it'll all be forgotten and we'll move on to
Speaker 2: TLC and you get a Cheris match, you get a
Speaker 2: tables match, I get a ladder match, because it's just
Speaker 2: the pay per view, So we'll get onto that and
Speaker 2: this will be forgotten. But I don't think it'll be
Speaker 2: lost on fans if there's a clean sweet NXT, because
Speaker 2: they're the ones that need to This would benefit them
Speaker 2: more than then take away from the losses of Raw
Speaker 2: and SmackDown teams. I think there's a big net gain
Speaker 2: here for NXT to win all of their matches and
Speaker 2: it would not hurt SmackDown or Raw and at all
Speaker 2: in any of the competitors. Everyone will bounce back just fine.
Speaker 2: But I think it would hurt NXT to lose these
Speaker 2: matches more than it would hurt Raw or SmackDown.
Speaker 3: To lose them.
Speaker 5: I agree with you one hundred percent, man. I hope
Speaker 5: that's the rut that they go.
Speaker 4: Like you said, that's that's the most logical route at
Speaker 4: this point. But it's truly going to be about which
Speaker 4: brand is more dominant right now.
Speaker 5: NXT needs to be the dominant brand.
Speaker 4: I mean, because it really doesn't mean anything, and I
Speaker 4: don't mean to say that in a negative way, like
Speaker 4: there really is nothing truly at stake. So if it
Speaker 4: truly is just bagging rights, then I don't see why
Speaker 4: SmackDown or Raw would need to have bragging power over NXT.
Speaker 5: So I hope they go that direction. For sure.
Speaker 2: Nobody needs bragging rights other than NXT. And people were
Speaker 2: speculating about Triple H getting in interfering and he's going
Speaker 2: to compete at SURVIVORSY. I don't wanted Triple Ah to
Speaker 2: competing and Adam no, and Triple H doesn't want Triple
Speaker 2: H to compete because it's not about Triple H anymore.
Speaker 2: He is the brainchild, he is the father of NXT.
Speaker 2: We all know that it's not It's not something that
Speaker 2: Triple H should be intimately involved with on that level
Speaker 2: because that, to me, would take the shine away from
Speaker 2: the guys and gals that do deserve it, that have
Speaker 2: brought this brand up to what it is and have
Speaker 2: worked their ass off to make it what it is.
Speaker 2: And yes, Triple H has worked behind the scenes and
Speaker 2: it was his vision, and of course that's important, but
Speaker 2: from a physical standpoint, it's not about his generation anymore.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad that that's not something that happened, and
Speaker 2: I really hope it's not a surprising that happens tomorrow night.
Speaker 2: So all right, Well, one more match to go, and
Speaker 2: that is Adam Cole versus Pete Dunn. My thoughts, I
Speaker 2: think Adam Cole wins. I think he retains, and he should.
Speaker 2: It's Adam Cole Babay and that's the way it's going
Speaker 2: to be. And and I think, yes, Pete Dunn is
Speaker 2: a credible competitor, and I think that they could put
Speaker 2: on a really good match. But Adam Cole right now
Speaker 2: is the face of NXT. He's the NXT champion, he
Speaker 2: has made a splash on SmackDown a number of times,
Speaker 2: and his and his matches with Seth Browns and specifically
Speaker 2: Daniel Bryan. I expect good, good things from this match,
Speaker 2: but I just see zero reason to take the championship
Speaker 2: off Cole at this point.
Speaker 5: I absolutely agree with you.
Speaker 4: I think Adam Cole has been pretty much the primary
Speaker 4: focus from the NXC brand throughout the Invasion Angles. I mean,
Speaker 4: like I said earlier, a few other people have gotten
Speaker 4: there their shigne as well, and I don't mean it
Speaker 4: in a negative way at all, but Adam cole.
Speaker 5: Should be the focus. He's your heavyweight champion.
Speaker 4: I think if if Pete Dyne had been more involved
Speaker 4: and had shown up more within the bill to Summer Slam,
Speaker 4: and we'd just seen his space more so like your
Speaker 4: people who don't watch NXC would have an understanding of
Speaker 4: Pete Dunner at least know his name, because I think a.
Speaker 5: Lot of people.
Speaker 4: Maybe not in Chicago tomorrow night, just because of Chicago
Speaker 4: being just like wrestling city in and of itself, but.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of your people at home aren't
Speaker 5: gonna know really who Pete Dunn is. They may have
Speaker 5: heard of his name.
Speaker 4: If anything, if but I don't, I don't think the
Speaker 4: majority of them moon And I think it's gonna be
Speaker 4: a great match.
Speaker 5: But I think Adam cole needs to win here. He
Speaker 5: needs to keep the title.
Speaker 4: And just really quick, just I can't just think about
Speaker 4: the schedule that he's been on and all the other
Speaker 4: the NXT guys themselves and just the crazy, just traveling.
Speaker 5: Schedule WG has had within the past month.
Speaker 4: So for that reason alone, I hope Adam Adam Coleman's
Speaker 4: because he he deserves.
Speaker 3: Is Oh my god.
Speaker 2: The travel schedule when you look at where they've gone
Speaker 2: and what they've done, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: From like Sonny thinking about it, yeah.
Speaker 2: Like where it really has made me step back when
Speaker 2: I look at like, oh my god, there in the UK,
Speaker 2: but they're back in Boston, then they're in Saudi Arabia
Speaker 2: and back in like yeah, it's just like, holy crap, guys.
Speaker 5: I mean, Adam is wrestling back to back to back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that these guys and gals are going
Speaker 2: to be sore as hell come tomorrow night. And it's
Speaker 2: just really it's it's not I'm not talking about from
Speaker 2: a storyline perspective. I'm talking from like a human element here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like just from the perspective of like, these are people.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, storylines are all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: We can complain about it and all that whatever, or
Speaker 2: love them, but the fact of the matter is when
Speaker 2: you look at their travel schedule and how much they're
Speaker 2: competing and you know they're busting their ass and you
Speaker 2: know they're sore, it's stuff that you, as a fan
Speaker 2: sometimes forget. I mean, but when I looked at their
Speaker 2: schedule and looked at how much they're competing and how
Speaker 2: much they're traveling.
Speaker 3: I actually it took them a second. I'm like, oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 4: Like, guys, it's not a ton Like it's not like
Speaker 4: they're going from Saudi Arabia back to the United States
Speaker 4: back to the United Kingdom like within like a year.
Speaker 5: It's within a month and a half.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like it's just man, you know, sometimes,
Speaker 4: like you said, I think we all as fans forget
Speaker 4: just the work and just the time and the sacrifice
Speaker 4: of these guys and girls like and people behind the
Speaker 4: scenes too, just that they put into this and it's
Speaker 4: just amazing. But man, I couldn't even imagine being being
Speaker 4: in that type of environment in that schedule. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that's that's the reason why Hopatam Cole wins.
Speaker 5: It's just because, of course be Done deserves it as well.
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, not discounting him at all, but
Speaker 4: I just think right now, this would be just the.
Speaker 5: Perfect ending for Adam Cole's build within this past few weeks.
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, no question, no question.
Speaker 2: And you know, like you said, with the Traveler, I've
Speaker 2: you know, I'm complaining about my twelve minute ride to work.
Speaker 2: Oh I got you know, traffic. You know, I feel
Speaker 2: like such.
Speaker 5: A you know, you get the red lights and stuff
Speaker 5: like it's.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I hit the red light on the
Speaker 2: way to work.
Speaker 3: It cost me another minute.
Speaker 2: I Meanwhile, you know, they're on the plane for sixteen
Speaker 2: hours and then get stuck in Saudi Arabia with god
Speaker 2: knows what actually happened there, and then come back to
Speaker 2: the United States, go back to the United Can, go
Speaker 2: back to Boston to like, and I'm sitting here like,
Speaker 2: damn this red light and I feel like such a tool, right, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, so it's all perspective, but you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes when you look at that kind of stuff, it
Speaker 2: makes you really appreciate just how tough what they do is.
Speaker 2: It's not just what happens in the ring. It's ninety
Speaker 2: eight percent of their time is not in the ring.
Speaker 2: It's it's you know, working out or making sure they're
Speaker 2: eating right on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's part of the easy parting ring. Think about
Speaker 5: it for them, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well that's what they spend ninety eight percent of their
Speaker 2: time doing, is to get that two percent of time
Speaker 2: in the ring. It's it's just crazy, and people think, oh,
Speaker 2: it's just all about in the ring. No, there's promos
Speaker 2: you gotta cut, there's management, there's issues, there's what's going
Speaker 2: on at home. Have you talked to your wife or husband?
Speaker 2: What's going on with your kids? You know, you're missing
Speaker 2: birthdays and anniversaries and all this kind of stuff that
Speaker 2: you're traveling.
Speaker 3: You're tired.
Speaker 2: You got to compete, you got to work out, you
Speaker 2: got to get your car, you got to get off
Speaker 2: the plane, get your baggage, like all this stuff that
Speaker 2: we all just all we do is just sit or whatever,
Speaker 2: and you know, pull up Hulu, pull up USA Network,
Speaker 2: pull up Fox, and we just watch our shows and
Speaker 2: we just take for granted that, oh, here they are again.
Speaker 2: But you don't realize all the effort it took to
Speaker 2: get there. I mean, so, I don't know. So props
Speaker 2: of those guys in Gallas to being able to put
Speaker 2: up with a schedule and just the just awful, almost
Speaker 2: brutal schedule that they have at times, and the physicality
Speaker 2: and then they're beat up and then you got to
Speaker 2: deal with injuries.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, it really is. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I have a lot more respect for these
Speaker 2: guys the more I think about it, because as a fan,
Speaker 2: it's easy, it's easy to get, you know, get involved
Speaker 2: in the storylines and forget about these human beings that
Speaker 2: are going through this. So all right, well, Ashley, was
Speaker 2: there anything else I missed to talk about Survivor series
Speaker 2: or that you wanted to bring up?
Speaker 5: No, I think I think we covered everything.
Speaker 4: And but by the way, I did look up when
Speaker 4: TLC is, and it's on December fifteenth, and if I'm
Speaker 4: not mistaken, three weeks out is December fourteenth, so I
Speaker 4: think it is the next prediction show.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, oh that is awesome. So we are going
Speaker 2: to continue.
Speaker 5: We will, we will so crazy.
Speaker 3: That's nuts.
Speaker 2: And then I don't know about Rumble. We'll get there
Speaker 2: when we get there. But usually the rumble, the the
Speaker 2: the time between the December TLC pay per view and
Speaker 2: rumbles usually be a little bit longer. Yeah, four sometimes
Speaker 2: five weeks, so I think we'll break our streak there.
Speaker 2: But all right, well, that that sounds like a plan
Speaker 2: with the with TLC right before the holidays.
Speaker 5: So yeah, sounds great.
Speaker 2: All right, well, Ashley, thanks again so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: I know that it's always a blast. Listeners love you,
Speaker 2: and I always want to make sure that you get
Speaker 2: a chance to plug the other podcast that you do
Speaker 2: that's on Facebook and lots of other platforms.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, thank you so much.
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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's always a blast coming in and talking
Speaker 4: to wrestling with you.
Speaker 5: Man, especially with these prediction episodes.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to see what actually happens tomorrow night
Speaker 4: because at the end of the day, I think it's
Speaker 4: going to be a great show, and I think each
Speaker 4: match is.
Speaker 5: It's going to have its moments. So I'm excited to
Speaker 5: see how it turns out.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the quality of matches is going
Speaker 2: to be high because the talent level is so good.
Speaker 2: I just think we're going to be burned out of
Speaker 2: Triple Threat after this. I'm never sure, triple threat is
Speaker 2: just gonna it's not even gonna be a phrase that
Speaker 2: I want to hear again. I mean, I'm talking years.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about a triple threat match again.
Speaker 2: But so yeah, I mean I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2: But Ashley, look, it's been a blast, and we'll see
Speaker 2: you on the other side and just before TLC, which
Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see what the landscape is like
Speaker 2: at that point, me too.
Speaker 4: Who knows, with how crazy this world has been lately,
Speaker 4: it could be a complete one ad between now and then,
Speaker 4: So we'll see awesome.
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully the next time we talk, maybe we would
Speaker 2: have seen CM punk.
Speaker 3: Although I could probably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, Ashley, you have a good night and we
Speaker 2: will talk in a few weeks.
Speaker 5: Sounds great.
Speaker 3: Take care you too. Bye.