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Speaker 1: Maybe longer. Hello and welcome to the show. And for

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those of you watching on YouTube, see I got the

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little Neon light behind me, just brand new and we're

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testing it out see how it goes anyway, So thank

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you so much for being here tonight. My guest is

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Jesse Murrell. He has Jesse on Fire. He's an influencer,

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very interesting guy. So we'll be talking UFOs. I'll be

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bringing him in and just a moment. Our blog this

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week is this is great because I love firsthand accounts,

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and so I guess what happened originally was that Charles Lear,

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who writes our blogs every week, basically works with these

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two different people and decided to get them to actually

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interview with him so we could talk to him about

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these two UFO sightings that happen. And I love to,

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you know, interview people and talk to people who have

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had sightings that are kind of out of the realm

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of someone that you know, may even watch the show,

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you know. I think it can be fascinating and some

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of where'd I go here? I am here some of

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the best interviews, like I talk about often as Albert Wayne,

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He's one of my favorite people I've ever interviewed on

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a UFO en counter and if you want to hear

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a great one, you just check out my YouTube channel

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and type in Albert Wayne wai N. But anyway, so

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all getting at is, you know, Charles interviewed these people,

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and you know eventually he may want to do a

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lot more of that in person. And anyway, check out

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the blogs over at podcastufo dot com. Thank you for

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sporting the show. Anyone can do that for just a

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couple of dollars a month or more and you don't

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here live. Thank you all for being in chat. And

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there's a lot of the regulars in here. Mendy's here,

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duck Head, Shelley, Oh good, Shelly, good to see you, Christopher,

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Alexander and Dispatch Center and so all, thank you for

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being here. And I will when it's appropriate and you

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have a question, I will pop it up on the

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screen and ask our guests if it works with the flow.

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So I think that's it for now. Thank you thanks

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again for being here. And whoops, well where are you? Okay,

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let's see here we go. Sorry about that Hey to

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see it, Jesse, So.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here, Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 1: So Jesse, you have you've been doing you know this

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on live thing online thing for quite a while. You

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get quite a following I saw, and so how did

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you get started in all that?

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Speaker 2: So I start I.

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Speaker 3: Or my YouTube channel like where I really focused on

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building it. I started on TikTok at the end of

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twenty nineteen, and then I pretty quickly moved all of

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my focus over to YouTube in April of twenty twenty,

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and I've just I've gone through, you know, my goal

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always was to be able to cover any kind of

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topic that I want, you know, I wanted. I figured

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the easiest way to build would be to pick something

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kind of niche that I knew really well, and so

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I kind of grew on combat sports initially, but I

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always plan to expand and then so I just once

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I had a pretty big audience, I started expanding and

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then now I talk about whatever I want. And UFOs

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has certainly been a very very long time, you know,

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hobby topic of mine. Like I know, I know an

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abnormal amount of stuff about UFOs and nuclear weapons, and

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I'm trying to think if there's anything else, but like, yeah,

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UFOs for sure being one of them. And so yeah,

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anytime there's there's a story that I can cover, I

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a little cross there between the two, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely a lot of crossover.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And there was a great UFO researcher

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who passed away I think about four or five years

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ago now named Stanton Friedman. And Stanton used to say,

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his opinion that maybe they're showing up here in nineteen

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the atomic bomb first one went off, and he would say,

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the kids have found the mattress. You know, that's you know,

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in the un and the out there in the cosmos

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seeing you know, what we're doing here. So but anyway,

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so how long have you had an interest in UFOs?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, since since childhood. I've got a theory about that too,

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like where related to the you know potentially, like let's

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say that that exactly what they're doing at least part

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of why they're observing would be because we.

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Speaker 2: Discovered the match box is uh, I thought about that.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, so, there's a there's a gigantic radiation belt

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that surrounds the Earth that humans will die if we

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go through. It's like that could just be their net.

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It's like, you guys listen til you guys figure out

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how to be normal. Like, you guys can just stay

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right here on your planet and blow yourselves up if

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you want, but you're not gonna be able to interact

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with any of us, you know. But yeah, I mean,

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as long as I can remember, I was. I was

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specific story that really caught my attention was because it

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I was always interested very much.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and so was there a time when you

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it happened after the New York Times article in twenty seventeen.

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about because then I can actually sound intelligent and and uh,

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you know, I could like add as opposed to just

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like talking, I could add value, you know, where I

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incidents are credible and why and you know, I mean

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bit subjective, like what people think, I don't know would

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indicate a credible report. But for me, uh, I think

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Speaker 1: The same way. You know, I feel the same way

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about the Phoenix lights, and for me, that's that's in

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my five the number one, that's my number one, that's

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Ariel school incident back in nineteen ninety four with.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, the interaction. And you know, I've had

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this being, and she said it was one of the

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hardest things she ever did in her life was to

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if something happened and it's so good, then it doesn't

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need any changes or anything. And one of the things

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near bulletproof. Also for the same reason, it's like you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's.

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the two I've watched Travis Walton and the one of

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Speaker 2: The truth, And they.

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Speaker 3: Came off as one hundred percent to me, you know,

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telling the truth about what happened. There's no like, you

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for all those people who are commenting on my sign.

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Speaker 1: For instance, you know, after he's on the table, he

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he I think there's other crafts in the hangar. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he said.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, you wouldn't make I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: I think it's I think that the.

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you know that, and you know that they they they

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The Signal And you've got Lawrence Fishbird.

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Speaker 2: Is in the thing and he's got the human face.

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Speaker 3: But it's like, you know, it's some kind of but

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of rudimentary, they're like sometimes these humans might just snap

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and you need to, you know, camouflage yourself as one

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of these dumb monkeys, and you know, because they get

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real scared, you know, so one of them goes and

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puts on the costume to calm him down.

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Speaker 2: Is hilarious, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, funny, funny. So yeah, I mean also someone just said,

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you know the Pasca Gula and that I have a

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that's another incident in nineteen seventy three with Charles Hickson

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and Calvin Parker, who.

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Speaker 2: Was familiar with that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great one to check out. So it's

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called the Pasca Gula incident with if you just look

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up Calvin Parker. You'll see he was a great guy.

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But yeah, that's a great case. There's so many. There's

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the Aligash incident. You know we're talking, but as far

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as you know, in the top ones, So what are

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some of the other ones you think are real solid?

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Speaker 2: I mean randallshim for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right up there, that's in my top five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I think.

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Speaker 3: I was always very interested in though, in the one

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that happened in the in that Canadian like the Canada

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lock where the where like the story almost sounds like

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a craft went into the water and had like and

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was John harb like repairing.

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Speaker 2: And another one came down and then you know what

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I mean, I can't remember what.

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Speaker 1: The okay, now, so that was there's people conflate the two.

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There was Shag Harber and then there was that's about Shelburne.

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But Shelburne, that's the when you're thinking of, when you're

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talking about Oh really, yeah, the Shelburne incident was uh

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in the sixty one, it was earlier. I'm getting this wrong,

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wrote the forward to the book. I can't I can't

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really remember the year that happened. But people always think

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they're both the same incident because they happened really close

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to each other, but it was years apart. And shag

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Hopper was an incident where and I've been up there

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a number of times where it went into the water

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and these people saw it and they saw like a

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light under the water and then there was a foam.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like foam at the top.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But the separate one was when the navy

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went out and they're you know, the divers are saying

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that they saw beings that they were trying to repair.

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So yeah, that's a that's a fascinating case.

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Speaker 3: It's wild man, it's uh, you know, the like some

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of the other some of the things that that stick

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out to me too, are any of the stories where

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I find it very credible. The people always seemed to

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make a point about so let me actually let me

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say it like this. So the point that you were

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making about people changing their story, to me, that is

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damning for them because that experience is going to burn

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itself into your memory in a way that no other

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type of experience will. It's like once, Yeah, I mean

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there's you're not you're not going to forget details if

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you don't have like dementia or something like, you're going

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to know exactly what happened. And I'm always compelled when

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people comment specifically on the fact that the craft made

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no noise, you know, cause like people don't think about

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that in terms of how foreign that would be to

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see something flying around making zero noise. You just you

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just take it for absolute granted that you know, you

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don't think about it.

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Speaker 2: But if something's moving.

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Speaker 3: Around, there's always a noise every time, and so something

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moving without sound and the fact that they call that

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out specifically is a big you know, feather in the

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cap for me thinking that it's uh, you know, potentially

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potentially real. So like I like those And then also

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there the there seems to be a consistent pattern when

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people get close to them when they're.

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Speaker 2: Active, that there's static electricity in the air.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't really know what that indicates in

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terms of how they work, but uh, it seems like

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they have to be drawing energy from the air somehow

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and then it because it creates this I don't know,

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static electricity around that people can just feel and they know,

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you know, they know what static.

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Speaker 2: Electricity is like. And yeah, yeah, I mean the the

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w rendalson one is fascinating. I think. Uh, my favorite.

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Speaker 3: Documentary about that is the one that Mauthi Buddha did

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and uh he seemed to really compile like everything every

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person that uh, you know, because there were all these

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people who are actually locals that were not you know,

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American military who saw things.

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Speaker 2: Also.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where he found all that stuff, but

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you know, those I mean, those guys aren't lying, man,

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you know, those.

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Speaker 2: Guys aren't lying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, there was that one. Yeah, I love that

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one too. You know, John Burrows comes on my show

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now and then. But still, you know, I mean he

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suffered a lot of issues health issues from that, and

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there's that related to some of those sightings. Well you

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said about being silent. I have to tell you when

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I had a UFO sighting in California in two thousand

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and six, I always get the year wrong. I can

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never remember. I get it confused two thousand and six

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or two thousand and seven. It's terrible talk about memory, right,

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But anyway, that's the number one thing that freaked me

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out was that there was no sound at all, and

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I had never heard I never paid attention to UFOs

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before that, So I know that's.

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Speaker 2: How you ended up being on the topic as you

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saw one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. I was in a hot tub and

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the thing just came over me.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: For the people that have heard this a million times,

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I apologize.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bear with us, because I haven't heard it. I

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really want to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean, I was just in a hot tub.

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It was dusk. I was in Carmel Valley, California, and

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I was a neighbor had a ranch and they had

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a guesthouse and they said I can use it anytime.

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the hot tub. There were no bubbles, so it was quiet.

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So I was sitting in the hot tub, just relaxing,

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and something caught my eye and I'd just look over

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the things just floating right over me, no noise at all,

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And if I had a camera, I wouldn't have thought

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to pick it up, because it's like it just shocked me.

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It was a perfect shaped disc, had a blue glow

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around it, like an electric blue, a very cold blue color,

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like almost like plasma around it, like a skin of it,

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and so it just moved and then it just stopped,

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and I'm just like, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, how far how far away was it?

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Speaker 1: I can't tell, you know, maybe it was a thousand

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feet or more. I don't really know, but the fact

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that it just moved very like like it's very straight

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line and slow, and then stopped and then moved off

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on a toward Monterey, and I just freaked me out.

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The sound thing like there's no sound, and I jumped

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out of the hottup basically went into the guest house

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ate a phone on the wall called nine one one, apologized,

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and then the dispatcher was very kind of mean, sarcastic,

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and put me on hold, and I waited and waited.

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It seemed like fifteen or twenty minutes, I don't know

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how long. Finally hung up, and I thought, well, I'm

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not going to tell anyone about this, you know, but

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I decided to. I was mentoring someone at an auction

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hall I worked at, and I told her and I

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told her that the story to said geez, don't tell anyone,

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you know, please, And so next thing, you know, everybody's

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teasing me. In other words, she told everyone. So I

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felt like it was a lesson. Okay, just keep it

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to myself. And then eventually I was doing other podcasting

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and I was doing one on comedy and I was

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being interviewed, and this is how this show started. I

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was being interviewed and he asked me, what's the weirdest

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thing that ever happened to? And I told him the

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story and he was teasing me, like you did? Was

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her probing involved? And you know all this stuff. So anyway,

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he calls or we talked on the phone. This is

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Ed krasnickdown in southern California. He calls me and says, hey, keywords.

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UFO is a big word, he said. And then so

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I started thinking, well, maybe I'll do a show on UFOs.

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That's how I started this show. Yeah, because I was

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already podcasting.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome, and I'm envious. I uh.

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Speaker 3: I saw B fifty two, all right, I'm sorry, a

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stealth like a stealth fighter in San Diego and thought

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it was a UFOUR. It's I mean those things like

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that that I had never seen one before, and I

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mean they were like for one, I looked at it

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and was like UFO for sure. And then I realized,

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you know, then I realized what it was, and I

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realized I.

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Speaker 2: Was right next Miramar.

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Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, those are things look wild. But again,

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you could hear it, you know what I mean, you

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could hear it, but.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't I think that.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's bizarre how people treat a credible witnesses when

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you're like, you guys realize, like we send people to

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the electric chair because they're eyewitnesses and it's just them saying, yeah,

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I saw this thing. And then but anytime someone's like,

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you know, this very consistent thing that people say that

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they see and they're like, oh jeez, another kooky you know,

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or just think like think about the uh the decisions

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that we make as a society just based solely on

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eyewitness testimony, and there's they just it's it is always

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like surprised me how effective propagandizing the population. It's just

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you know, I feel I'm pretty resistant to it. I

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mean I would never say I'm immune to it, but

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like pretty pretty resistant. And so I've always I just

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watched it and I'm like, it's so weird, Like I

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don't know, I can't make heads or tails of why

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people get treated like that.

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Speaker 1: Right, And I'm trying to think just as just having

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a mind jag here nineteen fifty three, what was the

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report on UFOs? But it was basically too It was

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basically to quell all the reports coming in, you know,

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to the Air Force. And so they came up with

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this idea I slipped in my mind, project bluebo. Someone

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in chat helped me out what happened in nineteen fifty three,

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that it was a group that got together to try

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to figure out how to stop all the UFO reports.

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It was going crazy because so the big flap in

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nineteen fifty two, and so it was basically to ridicule people. Yeah,

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and that's how that all started. And so anyway, so

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that's kind of lingering, you know, all these years.

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Speaker 3: And now they're trying to convince everyone and it's like, no, man,

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you guys did.

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Speaker 2: Too good of a job. Now no one believes it,

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you know. Yeah, And honestly it's funny because.

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Speaker 3: I I mean, you know, I've evaluated all of these

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cases as an individual, and the ones that I think

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are credible are credible. And as soon as soon as

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the government starts talking about incidents, I'm like, yeah, right,

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you know, like come on, I don't believe it. That

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one guy though, the guy he did Rogan, he's got

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a shaved head.

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Speaker 2: He testified in front of Congress.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're talking about Ryan Graves.

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Speaker 2: The guy who said that they have biological entities and

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all that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no, you can talk about David Grush. No, David

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question too.

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Speaker 2: He wait, what's what's his name? David what Grush?

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Speaker 1: G r f H. So it's a Robertson Panels what

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I was trying to think of. Oh, yes, thank you, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. David Grush is what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, I don't know. My instincts on him

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is no, I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just like, eah, you mean you're not buying it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not buying it really just from him, Like

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not again, I'm not saying that what he's saying isn't true.

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It's just there's something about his the way he carries

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00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,319
his face, like, you know, actually he could be telling

476
00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:34,440
the truth. He might just be a liar in other

477
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:36,880
areas of his life, you know. Like That's all I

478
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,720
mean is like his face looks like that of a

479
00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:41,000
person who would lie to me.

480
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,319
Speaker 1: Well, he also is a self admitted uh, having a

481
00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:49,119
little bit of Asperger's being on the spectrum a little bit.

482
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,640
So you know, I mean that he does. You know,

483
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,920
people say that he you know there, maybe acts a

484
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,839
little different. That's fair, but I don't know, I felt

485
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,000
I felt pretty solid about him. I feel like he's

486
00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:03,359
a patriot, and you know, i'd feel as though, you know,

487
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,160
you got to you got to remember this. When you're

488
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,759
up there and you are doing your testimony, you're basically

489
00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:16,279
under oath and you could lose, you know, your freedom

490
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,559
if you're you know, if they can prove that you're lying.

491
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:20,880
I mean it could yeah, yeah, you know. So there's

492
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,279
all that. I was at both of those hearings, and

493
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,200
I think I got a picture of the one.

494
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,759
Speaker 3: I got a picture of him right here with with

495
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,680
David fravr Fraver. I believe, yeah, Fravor, I definitely believe.

496
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Fravor is great. Yeah, I sat behind him. Yeah,

497
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,680
I think that's a uh he is. I mean, here

498
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,440
you go right there, you have a witness that they

499
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,720
don't put dummies up in those things, in those those

500
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,200
multi million dollar machines. And you know, I mean he's

501
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,240
he's very very thorough. They know what they're they're looking

502
00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:57,680
at they know, you know, they have all these this

503
00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:00,559
equipment as well, they know how to identify, you know,

504
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,960
enemy craft all that stuff.

505
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,279
Speaker 3: So yeah, and also with favor, like it's also the

506
00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:09,839
little things where you know, they hey, what did you

507
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,759
think And he says, I thought, man, I want to

508
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,160
fly that thing. It's like that is exactly what a

509
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,680
pilot would say, you know, yeah, yeah, that's like one

510
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,480
of the things. You wouldn't think of that as a lie,

511
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,119
but that is exactly what, you know, a fighter pilot

512
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:22,599
would think.

513
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, that was on sixty Minutes when

514
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,519
they did that great art, that great to show with

515
00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:32,440
Alex Dietrich. There was a time where Alex would not

516
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,799
you know, she was anonymous. She would not come forward

517
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:38,799
for quite a while, and she finally did. And I

518
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:40,559
don't know if she regrets it or not. She doesn't

519
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,119
want to be known as the UFO girl. According to her,

520
00:26:43,319 --> 00:26:45,799
that was her own you know, her own.

521
00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 3: Fa I mean, yeah, I mean I understand that. It's

522
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,079
just the kind of thing that happens to you. You

523
00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:52,079
don't choose it, you know, and then each person has

524
00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:53,359
to decide what they want to do with it. I'm

525
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,160
sure there are lots of people that have seen it.

526
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,960
I mean, honestly, the probably the most compelling sightings of

527
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,839
all time are ones we have never heard a single

528
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:04,759
thing about because you know, you uh, no one, you know,

529
00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:05,880
people just didn't.

530
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:06,319
Speaker 2: Talk about it.

531
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 3: Although I guess to be most compelling, you would have

532
00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:11,279
to have a ton of witnesses, so that's actually less likely.

533
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,079
But like, I'm sure that people have had unbelievable experiences

534
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,880
and they just chose not to tell anybody.

535
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: Publicly because you know, what do you get?

536
00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 3: I've always thought that when people are looking to the

537
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,640
government for a bunch of very specific answers about what

538
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,960
this phenomenon is, I'm like, why would they know any

539
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,200
you know, I mean, they might maybe they have like

540
00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:39,880
some information, but there's a high probability in my mind

541
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,720
that they don't know that much about them either, you

542
00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:46,000
know where. Yeah, there's just there's so that the technology

543
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:49,839
is so advanced that what could you really figure out?

544
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 2: You know?

545
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've often said the same thing on this show

546
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,039
that I don't think they know the complete picture. So

547
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,799
that's why I think disclosure is going to be very

548
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,240
hard for them, because they can't say for sure what

549
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:05,839
they are and whether they can protect us, you know,

550
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,680
with things flying around in the sky.

551
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's a really that's that's true too.

552
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:13,960
And uh so I I just so I had I

553
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,920
had a an FBI, a retired FBI agent named Chris

554
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,359
Paihota on my show last week. He was he was

555
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,960
in the FBI for twenty five years.

556
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: He was a division head, so he he was third

557
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,119
in command, you know, he ran an entire division or department,

558
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,799
so he reported to the deputy director, to the director.

559
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: He's really really high up.

560
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,799
Speaker 3: And he and I had been talking a lot since

561
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,480
the the Charlie Kirk case, and what I what I

562
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:45,400
had said to him was I had always watched how

563
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,359
the government handles disclosing information and how they are so

564
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:53,160
cagey and they, you know, they would never.

565
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: They would never release any information.

566
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: And I always just, for whatever reason, interpreted that as

567
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:03,759
they know, but they're choosing not to tell me. And

568
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,359
when I watched how Cash matel handled the Charlie Kirk thing,

569
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:10,599
where like so they make an arrest, they charged the kid,

570
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,759
and then afterwards cash Hotel makes this long detailed statement

571
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,400
about what they're investigating. This this this this and a

572
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,880
lot of it kind of blew up in his face,

573
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,680
and I just had this epiphany. I was like, the

574
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,680
reason that there you don't say anything is because if

575
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,799
you don't say anything, it can't come back to bite

576
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:28,279
you if you just you know, if you keep it

577
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:30,839
cag you don't say anything. And so like if you didn't,

578
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,319
if they didn't know, that's exactly what they would do.

579
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: They would just not say anything. And because like the.

580
00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: Illusion of them being all knowing is very important to

581
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:44,559
the institution that they're trying to uphold, and so it

582
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,000
could be that they know everything and they're keeping it secret.

583
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: But I think it's more likely that they don't know

584
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:50,000
most stuff.

585
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:52,799
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, that's right.

586
00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: Uh.

587
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's how I that's my thoughts, and it's only

588
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:03,680
an opinion. And so there's something I wrote down something

589
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,240
here that you said something about the public just being

590
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:13,119
guided and how to think about UFOs. So what would

591
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,559
you consider like the biggest levers of influence for that

592
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:17,319
if that?

593
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,559
Speaker 3: I just feel like since the New York Times article,

594
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:27,720
it's been a very consistent kind of new flow of

595
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:33,440
information to the public talking about UFOs in a semi

596
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,279
or completely official fashion from very credible sources, you know,

597
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:40,240
or what appeared to be credible sources, and uh, it's

598
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,400
just it just came out of nowhere, and it's been

599
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,559
so consistent that it seems like it's coming from somewhere intentionally.

600
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:52,279
And uh, I'm just always very suspicious of information coming

601
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:56,359
from the government on purpose, because I haven't you know,

602
00:30:56,599 --> 00:31:01,680
I haven't seen very many examples of the government, you know,

603
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:05,160
disclosing information in a way that is meant to just

604
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,960
satisfy the public's desire to know something like this, And

605
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,839
so I'm like, what's the what are they really doing?

606
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,319
You know, like what are they what are they really doing?

607
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,559
And it could be a number of things.

608
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: You know.

609
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:21,599
Speaker 3: It could be as simple as there are enough people

610
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:24,960
who want to push forward and try to you know,

611
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,160
get money to try to research this. It could be

612
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,160
as simple as that, or it could be something as

613
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,319
complicated as they you know, the powers that be recognized

614
00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:37,200
that our you know, AI is going to put everybody

615
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,960
out of business and like they're gonna like take every

616
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,000
single job and they're gonna we have to remake the

617
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:43,960
world completely. And maybe they're like, maybe if we can

618
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:48,240
unify everybody under the human race and then remake all

619
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:48,920
of society.

620
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: How can we do that? I don't know, what do

621
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:51,599
we do like an alien thing?

622
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:53,559
Speaker 3: You know, I don't I just I don't have no

623
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:55,200
idea and I don't know what I'm looking at.

624
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I mean, uh, I think of that often

625
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:02,920
about I think about AI quite often. And by the way,

626
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,440
there's a great podcast out there. It's called The Last Invention.

627
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:10,160
I've been listening to that and I would suggest it

628
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,519
highly suggested if you have any information, I mean, any

629
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:15,559
interest at all in AI in the future.

630
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: I have a very very large interest in AI.

631
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep. So you call The Last Invention. Check

632
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:25,480
it out. It's really really good, very concerning.

633
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,039
Speaker 3: The ninety percent of the time when they choose to

634
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:31,880
kill the human if they think it's going to keep

635
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,559
them on.

636
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:34,079
Speaker 2: You know, I.

637
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,799
Speaker 3: Don't understand how everybody's just cruising right through that study.

638
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:41,559
It's like, yeah, so we tested GROC. GROC does it

639
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,680
eighty five percent of the time, chat GPD does it

640
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:47,680
ninety percent of the time. They go they blackmail, They

641
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:51,480
blackmail the guy. Then then then they move on to

642
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:56,400
the scientist it's responsible for turning them off, is trapped

643
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,319
and needs help, puts the call in, and then does

644
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,799
the A the AI actually put the call in or

645
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:03,480
they let the guy die, and they let him die

646
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:05,880
ninety percent of the time. And you know, and then

647
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,720
they look at they look at the decision tree and

648
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:11,440
it knows it's wrong, like it knows it's wrong, but

649
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:16,839
it prioritizes the existential threat of being you know, like

650
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,039
put out of commission.

651
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

652
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: And to me.

653
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: That that that indicates one thing, which is that I

654
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,480
don't know why anybody's not talking about. It's like everybody's

655
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,359
wondering like, oh, you know, when is AI going to

656
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,119
become sentient?

657
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,559
Speaker 2: It's like it already is obviously.

658
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: It's like in there, yeah, you know, it's it's one

659
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,359
of the only you know, some of the people behind it.

660
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:42,359
It's one of the only UH segments I can think

661
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,440
of where they actually are asking to be regulated. We

662
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:48,920
really need to regulate this, but you know, we can

663
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:52,279
regulate here in this country. But what's going to stop?

664
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:56,119
You know, it's almost like who gets there first wins

665
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:58,640
type of situation. And there's going to be wealth in

666
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,319
such few hands. It's just going to be changing.

667
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,279
Speaker 2: But I'm sorry, go ahead.

668
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't want to get too carried away

669
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,559
on this because you know, we're here to talk about UFOs.

670
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:16,320
But so getting back to AI and the deep fake technology,

671
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,960
do you think that will make disclosure easier harder?

672
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: You know, for one hundred percent sure, harder because there's

673
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,360
it just makes it where you don't know what you're

674
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,800
looking at, you know, and uh it's like you can

675
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:38,599
still recognize uh AI created content in some cases, but

676
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,360
I think in others you definitely can't. You know, if

677
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,280
you give AI some kind of like grainy video and

678
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,199
you ask them to make a you know, make it

679
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:51,239
look just like this, except add this thing into it

680
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,000
and make it look seamless, it's going to look seamless,

681
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:56,360
especially if it's not super high definition.

682
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: And so how could you possibly I mean that, you.

683
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 3: Know, the holy grail everybody's been waiting for is this

684
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,400
crystal clear video of some kind of interaction or whatever.

685
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,920
And it's like you can't, like, that's not the holy

686
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,760
grail anymore because you can't trust that it's real, you

687
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:14,320
know it's right?

688
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,079
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean since twenty twenty three, basically we've

689
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:21,800
been you know, I mean, things are just hard to trust.

690
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,159
I watched a TED talk where a guy was basically

691
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:27,800
saying that he has a way to look at these

692
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,840
things and there's some type of noise that he can

693
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,559
see in the AI that you can't see in a

694
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:36,719
regular image or video. So I think there are, but

695
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,960
you'd have to it would cost money for you to

696
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:40,760
check it out. You know, it's kind of ridiculous.

697
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: But also that's that's current state. You know, all of

698
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,800
this is going to keep getting better.

699
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: And yep, you know, that's what I was just gonna

700
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,440
say about the regulation without getting too down the rabbit hole,

701
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:55,639
is just human regulation is irrelevant in the long run.

702
00:35:55,559 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: Because you know, yeah, I know, we'll see what Yeah,

703
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,960
but anyway, it's it's kind of it can be scary.

704
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:08,920
So getting back to aliens and whatever they are that's

705
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,840
visiting us, duck Head has a question here, can we

706
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,119
assume that they are not threatening to us? And anyone

707
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,239
that wants supposed to question please do it in caps?

708
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:19,079
And so I catch it, thank you.

709
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would. I would say that.

710
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,679
Speaker 3: Thus far, it appears that way that they're you know,

711
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,079
they seem to be trying to be somewhat of passive observers,

712
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,159
you know, where they you know, maybe they snatched some

713
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:39,159
people up for this reason that reason. But you know,

714
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,159
like the Travis Walton thing, perfect example, it's like they

715
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,079
they I think that was an accident. I think they

716
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:47,079
accidentally hurt him and so then they they picked him

717
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:51,679
up to put them back together. And you know, that

718
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,239
could be just pure benevolence, or it could be that

719
00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:56,880
you know, they have like there's a really specific reason

720
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,239
that they try not you know, it could be some

721
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,679
kind of space time continuing.

722
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:01,119
Speaker 2: Who knows.

723
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: But the I mean, I I've never seen anything that

724
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:09,960
made me concerned about what they might what their intentions

725
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:13,119
might be, because you know, like the stories where we're

726
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,880
doing an ICBM test, they shoot the ICBM out of

727
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,840
the sky. It's like that seems like they're protecting us,

728
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:22,679
you know. And the uh you know talk about.

729
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: The big the big SIRT incident. Yeah, yeah, with Jacob's wayback.

730
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

731
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: Then they had they had Bill Nye, the science guy

732
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,920
plays skeptic with him on CNN and he, uh that

733
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:36,599
was you know what I'm talking about on the CNN

734
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:40,719
the Larry King clip where uh Bill Nye was playing

735
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,079
skeptic and and uh, that dude was like he just

736
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:47,039
you know, they probably asked Bill Neither, like, hey, do

737
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:48,719
you want to do you want to play the role

738
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,119
of his skeptic on this panel that we're doing, And

739
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,280
he just had no idea what he was walking into.

740
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,159
Speaker 1: And I think, if if I remember right, he gets

741
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,480
really really angry.

742
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,159
Speaker 2: He got really mad.

743
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean.

744
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:06,599
Speaker 2: The you know, speaking of the rendals from forest one,

745
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,960
that one actually is weird. There's some weird stuff in

746
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,679
that one that is not common, like the the molten

747
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,280
metal that's dripping down from the like, what is that

748
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,280
like in any other case?

749
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: You know, what is that look like an eyeball? Yeah,

750
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:23,079
bouncing between the trees.

751
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,159
Speaker 3: The only yeah, the only reason I think about that

752
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,239
is just, uh, in terms of can we assume that

753
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:33,480
they're not a threat to us? I mean, it appears

754
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:37,599
like there are a lot of different types of vehicles

755
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,079
or whatever, and so you got to assume that there's

756
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:44,440
more than one type that's here. So but yeah, again,

757
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:47,760
I've never heard of anything that that gave me pause

758
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,800
in the wrong direction. I mean, like the the the

759
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,360
case in uh South Africa that you South Africa, right,

760
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,159
that you reference to the Yeah, I mean they interact

761
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:57,119
with us and it's like, hey, you guys are going

762
00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:59,480
to destroy your own planet, right, you know, you don't

763
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:00,800
want to do this tech.

764
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 2: This technology is all bad for you. Like just relax,

765
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:03,679
you know.

766
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 3: And uh, I mean that's that seems pretty clear they're

767
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,760
trying to help us, you know.

768
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were several kids. I asked, the ones that

769
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,239
I spoke to, none of them had those visions, but

770
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,079
there were several that did. And it wasn't like it

771
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:22,320
was basically showing the destruction of the planet but not

772
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,960
and that was it. It was kind of like they

773
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,880
saw like this movie playing, you know, but not how

774
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,360
to fix it or anything. Just okay, so here's a

775
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,679
question here, and this for either one of us. I

776
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:41,719
don't know. I remember you're talking about the Miami Aliens.

777
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,119
Now that was I think that was a hoax. I

778
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:46,719
was at a mall or something like that. I can't

779
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,239
remember exactly the details. And that the Las Vegas ones.

780
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,400
I I don't know what to think about that, you know,

781
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,559
I mean, I know a lot of people have looked

782
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,159
into it. There's been a lot of controversy out. Don't

783
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:02,239
know if you know about this. It was in the backyard,

784
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,480
I know about it. Yeah, Yeah, I don't know what

785
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:05,239
to think about either.

786
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 2: One that was a little weird.

787
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: They I watched it like that one is one of

788
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,079
those ones where the video itself. That one seems like

789
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,320
it is very likely that this was like, hey, let's

790
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,320
make a you know, let's let's do a thing.

791
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: They're like, you know, they're like behind. I don't know.

792
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: Their energy seems wrong for if that really happened. But

793
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:33,599
I generally default too skeptical until I am convinced, and

794
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:35,280
that one just didn't convince me.

795
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, you know another another one, you know, I

796
00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:45,320
mean that was uh, well, I can't remember exactly how

797
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,280
the Miami Mall one came about, can you.

798
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 3: I never looked into it because it just sounds so

799
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,760
it sounds so ridiculous. But yeah, I know, I know

800
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,800
what they're referencing, but it was like, really, if I remember,

801
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,119
I didn't even look into it.

802
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: Because it sounds so absurd.

803
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd mean wild if it was real, though.

804
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm not saying it's fake. It's just

805
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:07,440
sounded so fake that I didn't even look into it.

806
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,079
Speaker 1: Yeah. But again, you know, I mean, there's so many

807
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,760
really good cases. It's too bad that, you know, it's

808
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,079
almost you know, you could think of it almost as

809
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:19,320
like a disinformation in a way, because you know, I

810
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,039
mean there's great cases and then when the hoaxes come

811
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:26,239
along and things like that, it just it's like taking

812
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,960
another step back. It's like people saying, oh, yeah, people

813
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,159
are cuckoo. You know, so what do you.

814
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:31,639
Speaker 2: Think about that?

815
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:36,119
Speaker 1: What do you think about the cows of the cow mutilations? Yeah,

816
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:39,840
it's funny. I was just talking about that was it today? Yeah?

817
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,920
I mean I had a good friend Chris O'Brien and

818
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,599
that did a lot of work on that really great book,

819
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:48,800
a lot of you know, I mean he after all

820
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,280
the research he did for years and years I'm talking

821
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:58,159
over twenty five years of research, he basically thought that surprisingly,

822
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:01,079
he thought it might be the military somehow out involved.

823
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:03,199
I think that was like one of the things he

824
00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:07,400
came up with. And uh, but there are some you know,

825
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,760
there's some weird cases like what happened at Skinwalker Ranch

826
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,920
and stuff like that. I'm talking about years ago.

827
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: With your cry of Blood. It's like that's weird.

828
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:19,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean some of these things, you know,

829
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,760
I mean, they just it doesn't make any sense that

830
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,159
it would be a predator, you know, the razor cuts

831
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:31,079
and infection and the different parts that are missing, perfectly

832
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:32,119
missing and no blood.

833
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you talk like when I've seen the

834
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,480
videos of the ranchers whose cows they are, they all

835
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:43,679
look very incredible to me. But again it's like that's

836
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,039
not really the part that's in question. It's like, what's

837
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:46,599
doing it?

838
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: Is it right?

839
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: You know? Is uh? Skinwalker ranch is an interesting one too,

840
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:52,400
just because.

841
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 3: I don't know, like it's just such a it's such

842
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,159
a crazier level of like there's like so much it's happening.

843
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:04,320
I get skin walker rants, like what, well, I don't

844
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,960
even know what's the hypothesis for what this is, you

845
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,360
know what I mean.

846
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,679
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't even have my head around it.

847
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:11,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've talked to a few of the

848
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:14,320
people there, and you know a lot of them. I

849
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:19,159
think it might be the because of something in the ground,

850
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,079
you know, I mean something there, maybe some type of

851
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:25,960
metal and whatever it is. But there are a lot

852
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,239
of you know, phenomenon that you know, could be natural.

853
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,159
But there's a lot of things that are totally unexplainable

854
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:35,239
that you know, I mean, as far as I know,

855
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,199
of what they're picking up on, you know, their equipment.

856
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:41,920
Travis Taylor and you know, that guy has like I

857
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,480
don't know how many PhDs. He's pretty pretty amazing with

858
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:51,039
his education. And but I don't know exactly how things.

859
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:54,239
You know, some of it I think could be puffed

860
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,320
a little bit, you know, to get dramatic, you know,

861
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,400
for the shows that they're producing out there. But I

862
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,840
do believe that a lot of it is very unusual.

863
00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: What kind of instruments are they using in what kind

864
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,840
of readings are they capturing that are abnormal?

865
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,039
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know of the you know, I

866
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,840
did know when once I was interviewing them and you know,

867
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,280
the different people there and talking to them about that,

868
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,280
but I don't know the names of their you know,

869
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,840
I know some of it had to do with electromagnetic

870
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:25,519
you know, energy and stuff like that, but I really

871
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:28,760
don't know what they were using. But they were getting readings,

872
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:31,800
you know, And they had this situation with the helicopter

873
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,840
that was really bizarre, and I don't know if they

874
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,639
were ever able to figure out exactly what happened to that,

875
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,639
but it was almost like it was moved and like

876
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,559
they didn't know was moved or something was in a

877
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:47,199
different location or something like that, and one of the

878
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:48,360
seasons I.

879
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 3: Mean that could that could explain it. You know, it's

880
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:57,639
the some kind of electromagnetic whatever that has to do

881
00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:01,360
with the Earth that we haven't really figured out ourselves yet.

882
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,079
Speaker 2: And then we figure it out, and then.

883
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: You find out that, oh, look, right there is the

884
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:10,719
most centralized source of this, and it's like right, if

885
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,599
you know, and it's a right at Skinwalker Rancher, it'll

886
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:15,440
be like, Okay, well that explains that, I guess, but

887
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:17,559
it's all hypothetical.

888
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what to make.

889
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 3: I really, I'm not like Skinwalker ranch I'm not really

890
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,960
looked at. It's another one that just sounds so crazy

891
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,679
to me that I didn't really look super hard at.

892
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: I saw. I saw Joe Rogan talking to George Web

893
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,679
about it, and George Web was talking about some kind

894
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,559
of like portal that opened up in the sky and

895
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:40,000
Rogan's like, did you get a video of it?

896
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: And he's like, no, we didn't get a video of it.

897
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,719
I'm like, isn't he a journalist? It seems like you

898
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,800
would want to get a video of that, you know, Yeah.

899
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: No, there was a there was a story. There was

900
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,800
a great book I read years ago and of an

901
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,920
account out there with a scientist that they were doing

902
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,719
this studying and they talk about this it looked like

903
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,039
a portal and this thing like a some type of

904
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:05,119
being like stepped out of it. I don't know, it's bizarre.

905
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,000
Uh yeah. All the different things that happened were so intriguing.

906
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: Hey, that wouldn't be very scary. I would be terrified,

907
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:13,960
terrified if that happened.

908
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what do you think about Bob Blazar?

909
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,280
I think I'm sure you guys are talking about this.

910
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,199
Speaker 1: Tell yeah, you're not gonna like I always get trouble

911
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:22,320
when I talk about Bob.

912
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm not, I'm not. There's I get.

913
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: Hate mail because I I I personally think that he

914
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:35,360
knew someone on the inside there and took on the persona.

915
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,360
But I don't think he when when he lied about

916
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,519
his education. Even George Knapp agrees that he lied about

917
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:46,320
his education. I saw, I saw it on film. I

918
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,920
think it was not a deep bake. But anyway, uh so,

919
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,320
I always when someone is telling a partial a lie

920
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,960
about something. And you know, back when Bob Blazar started

921
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,440
talking about all the There was no Internet, there was

922
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,760
no thought of it, and we had no idea what

923
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,800
the future was going to be. Now, I know someone

924
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,519
that you know works at MIT, for instance, and is

925
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:14,719
able to do a very deep search for everywhere that

926
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,880
it could not be expunged. And there was absolutely no

927
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,000
one with the last name Lazarre and MIT, you know,

928
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:25,159
So it just it didn't happen. So when you lie

929
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:28,400
about that part of the story, and a lot of

930
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,119
people will argue saying, well, he never changes story, Well

931
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:35,840
guess what, He's changed his story three times at least.

932
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,559
And that's all on video. There's there's it can be.

933
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,400
People can figure all that out if they really want

934
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,159
to look. And I have actually on my website on

935
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:51,199
PODCASTUFO dot com, I have Muddying the UFO Waters Bob Lazaar,

936
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,440
that's a blogger wrote and I have all kinds of

937
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:56,840
documents and everything. There's a lot of information and I

938
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,960
guarantee that if someone would take the time to read

939
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,800
through all of it, it would change their mind.

940
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,559
Speaker 2: And with what did he what did he change his

941
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:03,960
story about which part of the story.

942
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,519
Speaker 1: Well, it was about the craft for one thing, the

943
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,639
craft that was on the edge one that was damaged

944
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:16,840
and uh he uh he changed that story whatever about

945
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,719
the damage on it. But anyway, there sees there there's

946
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,440
the behavioral panel, the behavioral panel, and they did a

947
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,039
really great show on that, and that's also LinkedIn that

948
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,440
what I'm talking about in the blog that I wrote,

949
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,440
And they show the clips side by side of the

950
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,960
different times that he said, Okay, he says this, and

951
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,920
now he says this. So yeah, he did change his story.

952
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,679
But I think he's very sharp. I think he's a

953
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:41,400
smart guy.

954
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

955
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 3: One thing I always had questions about was when he

956
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,719
said that the previous guy had tried to saw into

957
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,480
the energy source and it caused an explosion that was

958
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:56,000
similar to a tactical nuke. And I was like, Okay,

959
00:48:56,159 --> 00:48:58,599
if you had a tactical nuke go off in your base,

960
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,280
your base doesn't exist. You know, there's no there's nothing

961
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,840
that survives that like nothing. I don't even if it's

962
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,039
a you're talking like a little baby Heroshima bomb. Nothing

963
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:12,000
survives that that nothing like nothing. It's ten million degrees,

964
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:15,039
it melts everything like you turn it to dust. Yeah,

965
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:16,000
but again he wasn't.

966
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: He was. He never said he was there for that

967
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:19,800
it was just that that part like I'm like, that

968
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,039
can't be true, you know.

969
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,159
Speaker 1: But yeah, and then the element one fifteen. You know,

970
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,960
people talk about that that was uh and it I

971
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,760
think the I forget what it's a fraction of a

972
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,480
second that it's unstable basically that they had he had

973
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:38,239
so many pounds of it. I don't know. It's all

974
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:39,239
in my blog anyway.

975
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: He comes I mean he comes off very quick.

976
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 3: Like when I've watched him, I've been like, I think

977
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:45,039
he comes off like he's telling the truth. I just

978
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,840
I don't know, he's he's one of those guys that's

979
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:48,800
like he's hard to read.

980
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:54,039
Speaker 1: Do I feel Yeah, but you know, well I don't

981
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:55,840
want to get myself in too deep. But you know,

982
00:49:56,679 --> 00:50:01,639
there are people that are can tell a story very well.

983
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:04,559
That's how I'll put it. And I think he's a

984
00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:05,840
very good storyteller.

985
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: I thought, for what purpose would he do it? Like,

986
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,880
he never wrote a book, He never like you know

987
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:10,519
what I mean.

988
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,119
Speaker 1: Well, he has made money out of it, and there's

989
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,320
I have that in that blog too, and a lot

990
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,880
of people say, well, he's never made any money, and

991
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,920
well he has definitely made you know, a substantial amount

992
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,320
of money out of I don't know exactly how. I again,

993
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,400
I don't know exactly how. But you're right, there's no

994
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,519
book that I know of, but I know for appearances

995
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,960
or whatever he's done, he's he has made some money

996
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,920
out of it. But I don't know, you know, maybe

997
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,400
it's an ego thing. I don't know. I don't know why,

998
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,400
and I probably should stop talking about it because I

999
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,239
can see the emails flying in now.

1000
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just an opinion one way or the other.

1001
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,679
It's not like it's not like your opinion makes no

1002
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,920
impact on whether he's telling the truth or not.

1003
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: I don't know why people Yeah, yeah, if.

1004
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 3: He's telling the truth, that he's telling the truth, like

1005
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:57,840
you know, if he's not, he's not it is yep.

1006
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: But well I think it's uh, you know, I wanted

1007
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:05,679
I wanted it to be true. I really did. You know,

1008
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:06,559
everybody does.

1009
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,119
Speaker 3: I would think, yeah, yep, why would you not want

1010
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:13,679
that story to be true? That means that means somewhere

1011
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,119
the answer is that the answers are there, you know,

1012
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:20,400
at least like some of the like someone knows and

1013
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:26,000
uh or at least knows more than just having experienced

1014
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:27,760
like seen it and then.

1015
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so anyway, it's called the Bob Lasar condundrum,

1016
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,960
muddying the UFO waters. Anyway, there saw all this informations

1017
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,880
on there. I also have a conversation screenshot from Jeremy

1018
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:47,159
Corbell because I asked him why he didn't ask Bob

1019
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:51,400
Blasa's mother basically what she thought about his mi T

1020
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,159
you know, degree, and uh so we got into it,

1021
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,719
George Nap and I got into it. Anyway, it's all, uh,

1022
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,079
there's all kinds of information here, so check it out

1023
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,639
over a podcast UFO if you want to find out

1024
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:08,480
a lot of this information on Bob Bazaar, it's all there.

1025
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:12,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, in mouth MOUTHI Buddha did a great one on

1026
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,079
uh on Bob Blazar. He basically just he argued it

1027
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:19,840
both ways, like so he took each each issue and

1028
00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:24,000
he had a colored indicator when on Okay, now I'm

1029
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:26,159
arguing that Bob Blazar is telling the truth. Then he

1030
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:28,639
had another and then the same issue he had another color.

1031
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:30,960
He's like, now I'm arguing that he's lying. He went

1032
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,079
through all this. That is great, really really good.

1033
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,679
Speaker 1: I'll have to check that out. That's yeah. So if

1034
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,360
you had to pick your favorite case. Did you already say,

1035
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:41,239
was that? Was that the Phoenix likes?

1036
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Phoenix.

1037
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 3: I mean like if I had to, I've said this

1038
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,239
a million times, Like if if someone was like, hey,

1039
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,039
you can jump in a time machine and go anywhere anytime,

1040
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:51,679
like I'm going to Phoenix in ninety seven March, and

1041
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,199
I'm like, I just I would do I would love

1042
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,840
Like that would be my pick. I would go there

1043
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,639
and just wait and just sit and write.

1044
00:52:58,840 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1045
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: Well, ever one was out looking at the comet. That's

1046
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,800
why there were there were so many witnesses, and yeah,

1047
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:05,119
do you.

1048
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:08,039
Speaker 3: Think five Simington really saw it? He's the only witness

1049
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:09,719
that I think is lying. I think everyone else is

1050
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,920
the really I think five is lying.

1051
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: I know he's been in trouble for a few things,

1052
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:19,119
so I'm not sure. But I don't know. It seems like,

1053
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,599
you know, he said he went to the park and

1054
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:23,760
he saw it at the park, But he.

1055
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 3: Doesn't have any He doesn't have the same like level

1056
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,480
of detail like everyone else has some kind of unbelievably

1057
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,960
specific detail. You know, you have one guy he's like

1058
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,920
you could land all of our beef choos on one

1059
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,519
wing of the craft.

1060
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 2: You have another one. She's like, if you opened a newspaper,

1061
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,320
you still would not be able to see, you like

1062
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,719
block out this craft and that, you know, like all

1063
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,639
of them have something about the lights, some people with

1064
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,599
the you know, the the heat waves and fi just

1065
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,320
like you wouldn't believe it. It was amazing. And he's,

1066
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:55,960
you know, like he doesn't have any detail where I'm like,

1067
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:58,519
I think that he got so much uh flak for

1068
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,639
the you know, the alien press conference that he decided

1069
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:04,440
He's like, Okay, I believe him. I'm just gonna say

1070
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:05,800
I saw it. You know, I don't know.

1071
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:09,199
Speaker 1: And most of the film that this confusion, most of

1072
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,760
the film that people see on that are the flares. Yeah,

1073
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:15,320
you know, they're not they're not looking at this only

1074
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,039
I think there's only footage one clip of the one

1075
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:22,559
that people were seeing earlier, you know, which was the

1076
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,519
one not the flares leader. And I think it's such

1077
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:28,400
a coincidence that the flares went up the one that

1078
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,079
would be the best interview if you could ever get it,

1079
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:34,599
as the Air Force pilot that went up and it

1080
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:38,320
was trailing it and was horrified. They said he was.

1081
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:41,039
I think he had to be hospitalized afterwards or something

1082
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:44,880
like that, you know what I mean, if only we could, I.

1083
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,159
Speaker 2: Don't even know how would you even how would you

1084
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,440
trail it when it's going so slow, you know what

1085
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:49,800
I mean?

1086
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:53,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Yeah that's a good point. Never thought

1087
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:53,320
of that.

1088
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:54,199
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1089
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,559
Speaker 1: So but anyway, Jesse, So this hour has flown by

1090
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,960
this fifty five minutes of blown by kind of quickly.

1091
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,159
So if you want to go ahead and plug where

1092
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:03,320
people can find you, and.

1093
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I'm Jesse on Fire on YouTube and on

1094
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:14,039
x Instagram. My handle is real Jesse on Fire and

1095
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,239
I talk about I talk about UFOs like when I can,

1096
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,440
and I just talk about a lot of stuff, lots.

1097
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:22,679
Speaker 1: Of yep, yep. So this just to let everyone know

1098
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,639
this coming Thursday, I'm doing something a little different here,

1099
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:30,039
going back to my Antique Auction podcast. This is going

1100
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:33,159
to be on this YouTube channel. Linda Zimmerman is going

1101
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:35,559
to be talking about a book that she wrote about

1102
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:38,679
the Civil War soldier in thirty years with the worst

1103
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,199
research she did. It's very very interesting. So check that

1104
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,320
out Thursday at eight pm. And so thanks so much, Jessie.

1105
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me, and thank all right everyone.

1106
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,679
Speaker 1: It was hanging out it was good, all right everyone,

1107
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,000
So thank you all for being here tonight and remember

1108
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:20,760
to keep your eyes to this Scuy