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Speaker 2: You're listening to Destination Impact with Zach and JB on
the PW Torch part of the daily cast lineup. What's up, JB?
Speaker 3: Well, what's up Zach? How's it going?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Pretty good? Man played a little rock and roll this weekend,
as I was telling you, so that's always a fun thing,
but it makes for an interesting, interesting Monday. But uh,
I feel somewhat rested after some pasta and a little
bit of raw, so I'm ready to ready to chat
it up about some DNA. Nice. What about you? How
was your weekend?
Speaker 3: Pretty good? Kick Complaine had a friend in town and
we went to a baseball game, So yeah, pretty nice,
pretty pretty pretty chill. So yeah, excellently. I watched the
Watch the a w p B last night too. Actually, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched that mostly. I started it last night,
so I think I got a couple of matches in,
but I've finished it today, So I was thinking we definitely,
uh we would have some thoughts on on that show,
maybe in the in the v I P after.
Speaker 3: Show perhaps absolutely Uh.
Speaker 2: Well, so coming out of Impact this week, I mean,
I'm not sure what would be the biggest story for you.
I guess obviously it would most likely be just generally
that Nick Nimouth retained the DNA title against Casey Navarro
pretty much as we as we hadn't expected. I'm not
sure if they had, Like I mean, I think that
they did announce last week that this match was happening,
but it was like it wasn't made abundantly clear that
they were doing the title match this week. I don't
recall it being like made very clear because until maybe
the very end there, but like I don't remember in
the promo of them actually saying the match was going
to take place this week on Impact. So maybe they
did cover that on commentary later last week. But yeah,
so Jeed, just your general thoughts on the Nmath retaining.
I definitely liked We'll both like I'm sure that you know,
he like turned Ryan away, so it was a clean win.
So I do like that, But yeah, what are your
thoughts on on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think we I don't think
it's any surprise that that Nemuth retained in the sense that,
you know, I think it was kind of relatively just
won the title, and it wasn't really honestly huge build
up with Navarro. I think we kind of talked about how,
you know, we thought would like that to maybe be
abit a little bit stronger along the way. It seemed
like kind of pretty quick build up to the match
title match, honestly without really not really being on a
major show either. So not really sure what that says
what they think about Navarro or if maybe this isn't
quite over yet. But yeah, I mean, ultimately, I don't
think there's any huge surprise to the outcome. And you know,
the match, the match was fine, so you know, maybe
would have liked a little bit longer and more substantial
build for you know, Navarro's kind of first crack at
the main event title scene. But you know, the match
was okay, and at least they had decided to elevate
Navarro to this point we need. It paid a pretty
good joint, so it can't complain too much. So you
do feel like this was somewhat effective elevation of Navarro here.
I think it could have been better, but at least
they decided to go that way, So yeah, I definitely
think they probably could have done a little bit more.
And it was really only a couple of weeks with
not a ton to be perfectly honest with you, but
at least they got to the match. The match was
pretty good in and of itself, so you know, it's
kind of in the middle of it because I'm glad
they gave him the shot, but I would have liked
the shot to be a little bit more substantial too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like wanting more left wanting more. It
just I don't know, it felt weird. It felt like
this was a natural storyline, but it kind of felt
like they they didn't believe in it to build it
up more and kind of like make this be I mean,
Lockdown is just a little ways away, so I'm kind
of surprised that they couldn't just have built this to
them at least, and maybe they still will, I'm not sure,
but I feel like, you know, Nimus as always is
going to sell really well, and I felt like there
were some pretty convincing near falls that got me thinking
just for a second. But you know, I guess that
was just me like hopeful or wishful thinking and just
kind of I guess, I don't know, getting tricked by
the moment.
Speaker 3: Perhaps, Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of with you. I was
surprised they didn't, you know, carry this to Lockdown like
you said, maybe they will because you know, the Lockdown
match carries the pay per view, so it's not like
they have to have necessarily the biggest world title match
on the show. So I was thinking it was going
to be this in some capacity, but maybe they throw
out some stipulation to maybe like kind of some type
of rematch. Teenage does tend to do that anyway, so
you know, maybe it's not out of the realm of possibility.
But then again, you also probably don't want to borrow
losing back to back, you know, in that quick secession
either necessarily, so it's something he has.
Speaker 2: To be you're yeah, I mean, are there any other
signs of what's to come for Nick Nimmouth If it's
not more Casey Navarro? I mean it feels like everybody
else is pretty much tied up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of the thing as well. I mean, technically,
I guess you don't even necessarily have to have a
world title match at the Lockdown review. Maybe it could
be some form of tag match, probably with the Nemus. Unfortunately,
so Ryan would like to be involved in that case,
but I could see that be that being a possibility
as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I hear you on that. Uh, I'm sure
that would just lead to Ryan Nimmoth taking the fall
in the in that case. So I did appreciate I
said this, but I did appreciate a clean win. I mean,
you know, like we haven't gotten a ton of that,
Like there's a lot of interference and distraction finishes. So
I feel like that was a choice there, so and
for once seemingly a somewhat I guess it's more confident
choice there, so I will note that. But also there
was the just throwing it in here because it was
it reached new heights of absurdity, and that is the
injury report this week was like they said, they said
one thing, and then it went to Ray Walt talking
about Nimuth, and then it went to one other injury
briefly or I think it went to him talking about
Nimoth like three different times and the thing. So now
it's literally just like a promo segment for Matthew Raywall
to put over Magnimus. So that was pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just I don't think that. I
don't think that injury report does anything for the show
or characters at this point. So I would just honestly,
this is what it's going to be, completely nix it
or just do a complete revamp. But yeah, it's kind
of it's almost you know, parody at this point.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, maybe it is leading to them
just getting rid of it. I'm kind of hoping that's
what it is at this point. So I just saw
this like within the last hour. I was just kind
of trying to dig for any and this is like
this isn't really it's current events is just because it's
of what the topic is. But I wanted to get
your thoughts on I saw j R. Talking about the
like idea of visler Man buying TNA, and I just
wanted to I wanted to know if you saw that
and if if so, like if if you had any
thoughts on that and if you think that's a reality
or a possible real possibility, and if so, like what
would that mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean I didn't see that, but kind
of just making you know, hearing it that. You know,
I don't really see a high likelihood of that happening.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I could see w W E or t k O
outright buying TNA at some point in the near future,
but I think at this point it depends. Is an
eighty year old man who's shown seemingly diminished over the
last few years, at least we've heard kind of privately,
and then I think the car accident relatively recently as well. Yeah,
I don't know how much he would be able to
really give to I mean, even if he does, I
don't know how much people to change it or what
value he would really be able to add. And I
don't think I think we saw in his last run,
well before any of this even news came out. He's
well past his creative peak or creative prime that might
have been in the you know, late nineties, early two
thousands of his peak. So we're talking over you know,
over a half a quarter of a century ago at
this point, So you know, he's he's well past the
peak for creative value. In my opinion, I think he
can probably get pretty pretty weird pretty quickly. I mean,
weirder than it is. And even with the with the
broken universe kind of deal, oh goshut know what he
would add to that, But you can only imagine. But yeah,
I honestly keep hearing people talk about even Vince coming
back to I think out of it, a lot of
it is just pure speculation or even wishful thinking by
a few folks who were close with Vince back back
in the day. But I don't see a lot of
reality behind it.
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Speaker 3: What's your take on that.
Speaker 2: Well, I definitely don't understand why there is this talk
of like people wanting him back in WWE, for sure,
because I feel like everybody, one of them gone and
now I mean, I don't know about everybody or I
don't know, but I think it is kind of crazy
because like, you know, people are talking about him potentially,
you know, just speculating on him doing things behind the
scenes right now. But I do then you need to
think about as like his health, as a as just
a human being. And like that video of him, you know,
that of that car stop or you know, or wreck
or whatever it was, Yeah, it didn't great and didn't
look like you know, I don't know, it didn't look
like a situation like where he's ready to get back
into the into the game. So I did think it.
I find it interesting that so many people are talking
about it, especially like people kind of in the business
or you know, And I don't know if they're just
doing it to get clicks, which is kind of my assumption,
I guess, But yeah, I tend to agree with you.
I feel like if Vince was going to return to
wrestling somewhere. It's it's really strictly as like an on
screen person, which even that is kind of a crazy
idea in itself, but I guess that's the one thing
that makes sense to me. Yeah, So, I mean that's
pretty much my thoughts on it. But I do find
it interesting that this is going around and kind of
the way Jar framed it was just like if he
was going to get back in, he would assume that
it would be with like people that are still kind
of at least in existence. But yeah, I don't know,
it seems like he's got a lot of other stuff
going on that probably needs more of his attention, honestly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess never said ever in this business,
but I would if you had maybe bet I would
bet against that the likelihood of that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I hope not anyway. Okay, So, and we've
kind of like talked a good bit about the Knockouts
TV title tournament and was one of the things we
our initial things we talked about last week, and honestly,
it was kind of one of the things that had
me thinking a lot this week. So we had this
Elena Black and Windy Chew match and it goes to
a draw finish and they're both eliminated, and that's with
Zybrookside interfering and and so basically it all is exactly
what we were kind of like wondering why they're doing it.
And so, yeah, I guess it looks like Elena Black
is now a babyface and is going to be gunning
for the world the knockouts, the world title, and I
guess she's not winning the TV title. So what were
your thoughts on all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like this at all. I guess if
you want to make Elena face, okay, I would still
vote against that in the sense that I think she
was in a pretty good job as a heal. It
was felt authentic to her, and it was, you know,
if she was finally finding her own voice. I feel
like after you know, kind of meandering an NXT in
the beginning of TNA for a while. So I would
have definitely I thought she was on a good path
as a heel. But if you're gonna make her a face,
go on and making her face, I feel like they
didn't even really do that. You wouldn't really know. There
was almost no story told. It was almost one week
she was a heel, but then they positioned her against
or a face or penser against like I guess, a
bigger heel, which turned her face. But she didn't really
change any qualities about herself to make her a face,
So there was no story or no storytelling being done there.
So I really don't get that. It seemed like there
are other faces kind of in this Knockout TV title
tournament that could have you could have positioned against Brookside
that would have made more sense than in the Land
of Black. At this point, it just really kind of
felt like it came out of nowhere, like they realized
they didn't have anything, so they just kind of hot
shotted this. That was That was my take on it,
my immediate take. I don't know your thoughts, but imagine
they're in the same vein.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, we saw it coming last week,
but we just we wanted to kind of like think,
maybe it wasn't what we thought was happening, but then
it was definitely exactly what we saw. They just did
it one week. They teased the feud there in the
backstay segment, and then boom, it was done, and so
it was just like, Okay, she turned babyface. By being attacked,
which that's always you know, that's a you know, the
weakest way to turn or basically in my mind with
But she did give the handshake to choose, so I
guess you can like make the case that she did
make one character change right there. She showed some respect
to her opponent.
Speaker 3: You have to be in a longer journey though, with
the character that heals her as opposed to one handshake
moment just makes her face all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, she literally was. She was making a
deal with the Elegance brand three weeks ago to help
to to like, you know, collude on a victory. I
guess Indy hartwell, so yeah, like it definitely was obviously
a change of plans, and I guess this is possible,
you know, more the influence of the new creative team
taking shape here. Maybe they see a lot in Elena Black.
I mean, but yeah, like, you know, some maybe a
little more thought and build into it would have been nice.
I mean, do you think that they were planning this
from the start of the TV Title Tournament? At least.
Speaker 3: So did the TV stald the TV Title Tournament start
after the Lyrics took full control. I can't remember her before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the first week was the the first
week of tape was after Slam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it almost seems like it wasn't, but there
seems like nothing happened where they would need an im
media audible either. So either way, it seems like a weird, weird,
weird decision to be so it almost feels like it
was an audible. But then I look and I go,
why with what they need the audible on. It's not
like any injury happened that that changed anything significantly in
that period of time. So it's kind of a bit
baffling to me because it feels like that's what happened.
But then you look at the you look at the
the I guess the landscape, and there's no reason for
that necessity of that. So I'm just a little bit
confused as to kind of where that came from or
what was a driving force behind that decision.
Speaker 2: And also just like the the idea of like booking
a draw in a tournament, that's I had that really
it's really weird. Yeah, but also okay, so let's see
ahead of my notes.
Speaker 3: But okay, so I don't you could make a time
limit draw work if there's some kind of something behind it,
that makes sense. But it didn't make sense in the
sense that why were both women eliminated? When was this established?
This was never established pre tournament, so it's just something
that you're just kind of really you're making up on
the fly, or at least I don't recall anything I've
been established. And the first time we're learning about this
critical tournament rules from Kenzie Missile Mitchell post match and
just off the quick comment, you know, that seems pretty
significant to me. It feels like something that deserves a
little bit more Brava toss behind it, you know, and
it hurts the rest of the tournament in my opinion,
because it's like, you know, these matches are just the
kind of throwaway we'll kind of make a decision as
we go along, and that hurts the overall you know,
direction of the tournament or you know, the foundation of
the tournament in my opinion as well. So I was
I was really baffled by by that that decision. It
just kind of that how they treated it so inconsequential
after you're making a big deal out of this tournament
to begin with. So I don't know, I don't know
your thoughts on that word.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was actually exactly what I was scared of
from the very beginning. If you recall, I was saying
like I was scared that there was going to be
a lot of this, like making the tournament of backdrop
for other storylines, and they didn't do that for a
week or two. But here we are. It's like now
it's like a big part of all. So yeah, they
they did the And I'm not sure if you're gonna
if you did book the draw from the beginning, I'm
just like, you do so many interference and distraction finishes
or even DQ finishes. I mean, I guess you if
you did book both of them not to advance, that's
a weird way to book a tournament. I mean that
means you book two people to not win or lose,
And that's just and and and the idea of Wendy
Chew not being able to lose to Elena Black at
this point is also kind of like a discredit to her.
I mean, I just it's this was a weird thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why why is there a time limit draw in this?
Why is it a tournament? Like it'd be like a
tie and you know uh, you know, liked the and
the Super Bowl or something like that. It's like, why
is that even allowed and why is that a thing?
There should be like a sudden tes element that is
ultimate deciding factor, not just arbitrarily they're both eliminated. That
makes very little sense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously I was. I don't know, I just I
have high hopes for Lena Black, but I mean, this
feels like they're gonna they're kind of casting her in
a different way when she's just now, like you said,
she's getting her footing going, and I felt like she
was kind of like one of the old school like
good heels on the like like I mean, I almost
like she's gonna end up playing the same character against
de Zion Brookside and they're just gonna be saying, you know,
one's a good guy, one's a bad guy. But it's
literally gonna be like kind of similar characters going against
each other there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and I've all I think there's a
lot of potential to e Lane as well, but I
thought there's so much more meat on the bone as
a heel, there was really no reason to turn her.
I mean, why rushi it? Maybe maybe six to six
months to a year done the line, you know, I
would say even like a year done the line, because
like you said, she was getting genuine heat, which I
can't say that for that many people on the TEENA
roster at this point that are on the heel side.
So why would you you know, if it ain't broke,
don't fix it kind of situation in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was I mean, there was a lot
of questionable things that happened on this episode of Impact,
but I think in real time that was the one
that really like upset me the most. In the moment,
even even with them teasing it last week, I was
still just like with everything about it, Like even teasing
the feud between Elena Black Zion Brookside, I was like, okay,
you can make that make sense. But then on top
of just plucking the match in all of this like that,
it just it was really really crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because if they wanted to have a hill versus
heel match, I wouldn't do it that often. But you
can do it, but then you change. Now you can't
go back on Black now, because then it really destroys
the constitution of her character. So at this point, you
got it seems like you got to move forward with
her as a face. So I would have just if
they're if they're help Helbna doing it, I'd have just
kept the heel versus Hue kind of one off situation,
which I wouldn't recommend doing often, but still better than
the alternative in this case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they, I mean, I'm not I don't want
to just like openly talk trash, but I mean I'm
scared that they will after I'll just this one off
feud will probably just turn a lean a black heel
again right after that. I mean, I feel like I
don't have the faith that they're not going to do
that at this at this point, really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah, it seems like the handshake thing
is just kind of a cheap setup to make this
feud last. It seems like lazy booking that since they
had no one else built up to face Brooks side,
so they're like, oh, Black's doing a good job, let's
shoehorn her in there somehow, without you know, considering the
constitution her character beyond this feud, which could hurt her
as a heel if they decide to move forward as
a heel, because she's you know, undoubtedly probably gonna get
some fans kind of in the interim period, so people
won't just won't be sure how to feel about her
moving forward, which would be a real issue and kind
of unfair to her my opinion.
Speaker 2: So I mean, unless they view her like super highly
and they're just like similar straight to the top, and
then she just takes the title from Brookside and is
still the heel Elena Black for the most part. I mean,
I guess if that's where it's going, then I don't
know why they would have done the handshake thing. But
so I don't really I think they turned her face.
But at the same time, I guess I could see
her kind of like maybe they just have more faith
in her lately, so they could just like, you know,
straight shot her to the title. And I wouldn't be
completely opposed to that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but I agree, I wouldn't either. But at
that point, then why they hit the title off ealing
yeeling eling link to begin with, Because she was a
pretty decentish face, so keep her the title. If if
that's the case, then Black should be where Brookside is
right now. They didn't have that much face and Brookside
apparently so she should have been the one to ultimately
take the title off of Lee. So then you get
the traditional heel face match up and you get to
keep Black as the heel who's a heel champion where
I think there's a lot There was a still a
lot more meat on the bonus I said earlier, So
it seems like they were kind of working backwards in
that situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going to have a lot of work to do,
Like coming out of all that, I feel like they're
they're almost setting themselves up for some issues. But I'll
be here for it.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm true, will talk, true, will have time to
talk about it.
Speaker 2: So absolutely. I guess we might as well cover the
other match they had in the tournament this week, and
that was a pretty decent match. I mean, it was
kind of clucky at times, just the work in the match,
But was Jada Stone, who's kind of a I've seen
her a few times on TV, you know, super energetic,
kind of upstart. I guess Alicia Edwards and going into
this I was kind of thinking Alicia Edwards might get
a win because they've been like, I just didn't. I don't.
I am like not reading the system very well, and
that's where this is gonna go. But I was I
was happy to see finally like an upset in the
tournament one of the younger stars go over kind of
a more you know, quote unquote established star in TNA
in the knockout divisions. So did you have any thoughts
on that match?
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, so I thought, yeah, I thought they made
the right decision. That was actually one of my hits
for this week. I'm glad they put Stone over. I
think it's a good use of this tournament to elevate
younger talent in the knockout scene, which kind of desperately
needs at this point. And you know Alicia Edwards, I mean,
she's she's fine. She kind of annoys me with you,
as you mentioned her intaset interference in yelling. I just
she's kind of she can be channel changing for me
at different points. But I do think it's good to
use her to get some of the younger talent over,
so that they made the right call in this case.
So not much more to it than that, but but
I do see some potential in jadastone so I'm glad
they decided to go with their this case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty much. That was pretty much exactly how
I felt. And I was glad that they finally yet,
like you said, they should use it to elevate some people.
And if she's the if Jenny Stone is the main
one that they you know, kind of elevate in the
in the interim, you know, then that's good. So now
that Elena Black is out, are we going with? I mean,
who are you going with to win the tournament?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, I guess, I guess tomorrow Sunday. Maybe, I guess.
At this point, she seems like she has the most
potential and it seems like, you know, like I said,
we felt already made for Lena Black, but they're not
going that direction. So we thought it was probably gonna
be here that was gonna be the first to hold
the title. But you know, I think all that's kind
of out the window at this point. So maybe I'll
just go with I think, who is the most potential?
But what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And you know, like when we first announced it,
she was the one I would want to win when
it first was announced, with like a runner up being
Indy Hartwell, though I thought Indy Hartwell would have been like, like,
I just would have booked this completely differently, Like if
you were gonna need somebody to be a baby face
against Cyabrooks side, then the obvious choice was Indy Hartwell,
and you just like figure out a way to get
her out in the first round and then you don't
worry about this, like, but they chose the other way,
So I'm not sure why they did that. Maybe they
have bigger plans for Indy down the road. I can
only hope, but I guess I'm at this point, I'm
hoping that's the final and they just go with two
baby faces against each other with no shenanigans. I haven't
looked at the updated bracket, so I know that they're
on the opposite side, so that could that would probably
likely still line up.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I'd be fine with that as a final.
But once again, I'd prefer a traditional heel face final,
which if they would have, they could have just played
it right, that didn't mess with anything. And where was
it was Elena Black and India on the same side.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, Elena Black was is on the left side.
I'm pretty sure and Moros is on the right side.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so it would have worked perfectly perfectly because
then you get Indian too, the main event scene for
a little bit. If they needed to do a person
to do it for a short period of time, she
could definitely. She's definitely ready to similar to case Navarrow.
I think they'relmost kind of in a similar place on
the men's women's side at this point. So you know,
I think that would have worked out pretty well. Actually,
so they you know, once again, did a little Jeff
Jared try to do a little bit too much, got
to Q by two, Q by half, and now I
don't think it lines up as well for the tournament
or for the main event that got scene either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, you know, if they want to,
they want to throw us, we could even like guest
spot of booking, give us the tapings or something, you know, uh,
and then it'll be fine, you know, we'll see what
we can do.
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much easier to to book from you know, my laptop
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Speaker 2: So last thoughts on that, I I do you think
Elena Black is I mean, do you see her defeating
Brookside for the title here or is it just way
too soon whenever they get to this match, I mean,
what do you think?
Speaker 3: It seems like it's way too soon. It seems like
could be kind of throwing the towel in on Brookside,
which you know, then I would worry about her. You're
moving forward because the fans would be like okay, but
we kind of see where they see Brookside, so that
would be something that I think would stay with her
for a while. So yeah, yeah, it almost seems like
Indy could have taken that loss a little bit easier
as well as opposed to Elena just where there at
the points in their careers. So that's why I just
Coig used to baffle me, But I think Brooks goes
over still, but you know, who knows, you know at
this point. But that's that's I think how I would
book it, you know, once they made the decision that
they made.
Speaker 2: So I had this crazy epiphany. And I'm not sure
if they would do this and copyright if you are,
just you know, give me at least credit. But they
could do this weird thing where laying Lee returns as
a heel and enjoins Brookside, And I don't know if
that would make the act better or not, but I
just I thought maybe it'd be like she could actually
be Brookside's heavy here. I don't know if that if
that could be convincing or not. But it was like
a little bit of a fantasy booking thought I had,
and I just kind of wanted to get your brief
thoughts on if you think that is a feasible storyline,
if you're if they're going to try to stick with
Brookside holding onto the title for an extended time as
a heel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I mentioned in the past, you know,
I would have reversed it. I would have had Brookside
as the face and healing Lee healingly as the heel
out of that feud or out of yeah, that tag
team and out of that few that sense had to
begin with. You know, I don't know if I think that.
I'm a big fan of constant turning for the sake
of fixing mistakes that you made in your booking to
fix that, So I'm definitely not against the idea of
having Brookside having having Heavy. I don't know that I
would make Lee the heavy in this case. I'd have
to look at the TENA roster in general as far
as you know, kind of more hostile women that could
be heavy types, kind of like a Megan Maine and
aw but or Lean across her partner. But I'm sure
there's someone that could work. And I don't dislike the
idea for having a heavy I don't think I would
have it as Lee as this point I think I
would keep them a little bit separated, but I definitely
not the worst idea in the world. I just think
that that would be kind of making a sudden decision
to fix an error that was unnecessarily made to begin with,
which I think is like just kind of a bunch
of stack of cards falling down, or like dominos falling over,
or just kind of mistakes just start compounding on each
other when you could have just taken the path to
the least resistance to begin with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that's probably more just me thinking
about like getting a heavy for her, because I do
feel like the act needs something, and she her playing
off of someone you know, might just it might probably
help her, and you know, yeah, we probably should keep
playing Lee far away from her. I'm actually interested to
see what they have next for laying Lee. It's kind
of another one of those things I'm just watching to
see what happens. And you know, I'm not one hundred
percent sure that they're actually done with the feud between
her and Brookside completely. I feel like it's something they
might maybe would go back to, but she could actually
end up aligning with Elena Black. It's gonna get so
weird with Elena Black as a as a face though,
because unless she does change a lot, so I don't know,
it's a mess. It's kind of intriguing that they did
all of this, but yeah, I'm at least intrigued about
where all this knockouts, both the world title and the
TV title.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you as to say, you know, like a train
train or train wrecker a correct and it could be intriguing.
Doesn't mean it's really a good thing though, for you know,
the future potential. But I agree in the sense that
it's kind of I think we're trying to go you know,
you mentioned earlier I could see them leaning Alena Black
just heal for this feud, just for like you talked
about earlier, which I'm still also not a fan of
them doing. But I almost feel like, of all the
bad decisions, it's the kind of least at one at
this point, so like, just lean her maybe but not
do too much different to have the feud and then
put her back and we try to help her more
in a huge role. But that's just more like you
didn't have to do that, But I could see that
being the less harmful option at this point amongst any
other option, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of lots of work to do over there
with that. With all that and speaking of what must
have been a lot of work to do, what about
Righteous deletion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's uh my notes as well, But yeah, a lot,
I mean, not surprisingly a lot going on there, surprise. Yeah,
I mentioned this before that just is it my preferred
style wrestling. I understand there's probably an audience for it,
but I you know, I just feel like this is
something they've gone to the world too so many times
that there's just been just diminishing returns on this now. Yeah, yeah,
it definitely hits for some. I did see that it
Teenage did like over three hundred thousand this week, which
I think is their best rating since Neilson ratings is
being on AMC. Surprising, but it seems like the numbers
for Nielsen in the last few weeks have been really
inflated for for a lot of the rest of the shows,
aw included, So I'm not sure what's going on there,
but maybe maybe there's something to that. But yeah, I
would say that, you know, the Righteous too, like we
talked about last week, and I think the last few
weeks they feel like they were had gotten further away
from the titles, and they just kind of randomly pulled
back in almost because once again there's no one else
in the tag division to make this work, so they
couldn't feel any further way from the tag titles at
this point. It's like, how many times can a team
lose before they're just lose credibility in that in the
fans vision of them. Also, what I didn't like is
the bell never even rain to start or in this match.
You know, I get it, it's a cinematic style wrestling match,
but there should be some consistency to actual wrestling otherwise
than the tag titles becomes so detached from the rest
of the actual championships or kind of in ring wrestling
that it makes it It makes the show feel so
silent and segmented that that I can't get lost in
immersion and rates way to talks about this, But you know,
I just I'm just thinking about all these different things
in their own different silos as opposed to a cohesive
television program, which I think are the most successful television programs.
So you know, that was that was my general higher
level take on the match in and of itself. I mean,
it was what I expected. But that's just not you know,
I see some errors in that in my personal opinion.
So I don't know what your thoughts were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean I thought it was obviously probably
the I mean I haven't. I don't know if I've
watched every single one of the like Hardy Compound matches,
but I think I might have. This is probably the
worst one. I mean, I don't. I don't know if
I ever saw the tag titles actually there, if it
was like made clear that the like that it was
for the tag titles. I was certainly wondering that the
whole time as well. And yeah, they're like I don't
I think there was a bell to start, but like
when they went in and there might not have been either,
but you know, and there's like it's just it's a
it's craziness, like I mean teleportation and and you know,
at this point that's not really what I'm trying to see.
I I will say that I thought like Dutch was
like the big winner out of this. I thought he
came across kind of like endearing in a lot of
ways throughout the thing and kind of funny, low key funny. Also,
when I've previously been kind of like I don't know
about this guy, but I thought that, Like I thought
Dutch was pretty cool in this, but you know, like
all the kids, and you know, it was just the music.
It was just as literal cinematic. It was like literally
the most cinematic match imaginable. So, you know, I don't
know if I don't know if there's a giant place
for that in any of the mainstream wrestling, you know,
much these days much less just like over and over
and over the the party compound and stuff. So yeah,
I watched it. I mean, I mean, you know, yeah,
go ahead, sorry, I.
Speaker 3: Mean you're up. Yeah, But it's almost like a want
of them change it up a little bit. It just
feels repetitive at this point, like maybe find a different
venue or a different landscape or just a different element
to the act. The act just feels like it's repeating itself,
it's insisting upon itself from a family guy quote, and
it's just it's boring to be at this point. I
don't know, I just feel like it was original when
it first happened, and I think we talked about this before,
but I felt like James and Jimmy Borsh was a
lot behind that as well from a production capacity. But yeah,
it just feels like it's at least five years, probably
more past the time this point.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what if they became a faction. I mean,
I think I might have mentioned that, and I'm starting
to wonder if that's actually possibly where this is going,
or at least if not briefly I mean, I mean
I don't know how that translates to in like an
entring product as far as like a wrestling faction. But
I mean, what are your thoughts on a on a
righteous deletion faction?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if they're going to do that, I
kind of wish they would have done it by this
point though, I mean, what do you have to have
like seven six seven matches before over how many months
before that that happens, Like, you know, it felt like
to they could have done a better job creating signpost
signaling towards that. I feel like maybe they've done small
bits here and there, but I feel like it should
be a heavier investment if that was gonna be the
direction that they decided to go. And I also, like
you just mentioned, I mean, how does that translate to
the rest of the roster? I mean, who do you
do with this huge weird faction? I mean, who are
they going to feud against that? It's believable, you know,
like you said, the multi team divisions lacking to it
would just be like the system that's it. Basically, it
would be the system that's about. I mean not to
say they couldn't make like say they brought in like
the whis six. I don't say bringing in that large
of a team seems it seems like every week they're
making cuts, but I'm not seeing a lot of new signings.
Is not promised. But you know, that was where the
smoke was from a perspective. It seems like there was
another release this week too that I think we'll get to.
But it was Victoria Crawford. She was Alasia Fox and yes, yeah,
so that was another. But it seems like every week
we get a release here or too there, and divisions
that are already pretty thin. It's like whenever we get
some investment back into this as well. But like you said,
it would just be a two faction feud for another
six to eight months between the System and the System
has already kind of been feuding with the Hardy's the
rights just to begin with, So how do do you
even reunite that to make any any real sense.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I don't know if it makes sense,
and they haven't seen any like super strong signs, but
maybe just to I don't know, I feel like I've
picked up on a couple of little things here and there,
but again I don't know what that means other than
feuding with the System for a while, and and that
might work for a little while, you know, but I
don't know what it what it means after that other
than just another like they break up and it's another
half of the year of Hardy's versus the System or
something or no, Hardy's versus the Righteous. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
I'm not sure where that's going. It didn't seem like
they again were making the tag titles that much of
a focus.
Speaker 3: That's that's the problem I have with the Hardys too,
is it's their act. They don't even cares about. The
titles are like a weird prop in like a you know,
like a fun house or something. It's like like you
get if you like throw the balls and knock the
bottles down. But but the real, the real act is
that at the funhouse or the freak show, you know
what I mean, That's what it feels like to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And well, and speaking of the System, you know,
they had their like entering segment, and I actually thought
Bear Bronson was the most interesting, Like it was the
best the person who stood out the most in the
mic on the mic in the in the segment before
Leon Slater came in, and stole the whole thing, as
he does like every time he touches the micro lately,
they better just calmed down and given him the mic
if they don't want him to be so ever, But uh, yeah,
so I just any thoughts on the like, on the
System storyline. They did kind of seemingly get back to
the Slater SOSA team possibly happening, and so I mean,
and they obviously to me, they have the most credibility
of any team in the division right now, like we
kind of said last week, but even more so now
it feels like it. So yeah, I just wanted to
get your thoughts on on the System stuff. I think
that they did that before the Alicia Edwards match, and
so it still was kind of like about them talking
about their struggles are over and all this, but still
they were all they were directing their hatred towards so so.
But yeah, so anyway thoughts on that segment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, just kind of side of the
start off. I could do without Alisha ed We're just
kind of starting with all the constantly yelling. It's like,
what are you really adding? It's it's the it's the
Dolf Zigler screaming into the overmodulating on the mic, but
without the gravitas of Delford Nicknammath behind you, just a
kind of a random, basically you know, manager ish sque
type person. So yeah, Brodson, Yeah, he bray Rotson was okay.
Just like you said of the Systems promo on last
last Thursdays Impact, that was probably the best, I guess,
but I feel like the Systems kind of spinning their
wheels too. I feel like their promos oftentimes very samesy,
not really adding anything to the characters. It's just a
reinforcement of what their characters have been for quite some
time now, you know, basically since the breakup from mooseh
and uh yeah, you know. I didn't hate it, but
it didn't feel like it really added much. The one
thing you mentioned is so said Slater, though I'm glad
they got involved at the end. I'm glad that they
seem to be getting some acknowledgement because, like you said,
I feel like they're the jolt of I guess adrenaline
needed in the tag division. That's pretty much in my
opinion debt at this point. So I would certainly be
behind them getting a strong tag push. Well, how you know,
like you said, you're still a Slater. You know, who
knows about Slater, But it's put it seems like he's
gonna be around for at least a little bit, so
you can't hurt to put the tag time. I mean,
the tactiles aren't treated as super serious anyway, so there's
there'll be no harm in kind of help using him
to get so so over in kind of a cool
tag team. And then if if Slater were to leave,
at least so would have that credibility behind them in
that thrug from Slater, So that would be the way
I would definitely go. And then yeah, use the System
as a vehicle to make that happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it absolutely, I honestly don't care if Slater's leaving
or not. I mean, like it's better than just I mean,
it's better than the tag titles being non existent out
at the Hearty Compound, and it would it would just
be interesting, you know, to see a young team get
a run here and and not just go back to
the System or be at the Hardy's if they're not
I mean, they're obviously I guess not giving the Righteous
a shot. And you know, I don't know if they
really earned it or not, but I thought it was
at the time back you know, a month ago or
you know, going into Slammiversary, just felt like, yeah, this
is an obvious choice, but they didn't go that way.
So now I'm ready to see something else for sure,
So hopefully they will do that again. It's like every
other week they kind of I don't know, it seems
like they get away from it. I won't be surprised
if Fabi and Aner gets involved with this storyline also again,
so yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm I'm still
hoping that Fabi and Eightner is the next ex Division champion,
but again I'm not I'm not sure. I mean, any
thoughts on updated thoughts on the X Division title situation
with Cedric and I mean again, they like it seems
like they have to because they do have a decently
sized roster. It feels like they have to like take
turns and like basically put certain titles on the back
burner for a whole week stretches of weeks at a
time where they don't even mention it at all. I mean,
I feel like the ex Division title is back to that.
I mean, you know, he waves it around, but they
haven't really mentioned it at all. Yeah, just general thoughts
on on the X Division title, and and that it.
Speaker 3: Feels like too many titles in TEENA just like you say,
just get lost in stuff on really lack importance or
lack build behind the titles, and not many people talk
about wanting to be champion outside the TNA championship obviously,
and that's really then that's only a few people that
talk about that, and it feels like, yeah, the championships
are just fun props, but they're not something serious to
be seriously competed over, which should obviously be the back
owner foundation of any wrestling company, which where I think
that's where I see tailacing honestly, probably from one of
the biggest issues they have is that is that I
don't feel too connected to the championships or invested in
people winning them, just because the company doesn't feel invested
in telling those stories, I feel like sometimes so, yeah,
that's certainly the case of the X Division title right now.
I feel like Fabe Eichner would have definitely added some
freshness behind that and could you could have made him
your guy that's that's a proud ex Division champion and
he can talk about that. It seems like he's the
guy that can cut that type of promo. So I
still don't really get the decision to have so like
alex in Er not only win the the the Ultimate
X match at Slammer Rosary, but then also beats Eichner
in in his singles match several weeks later, which we
thought for sure would be the running moment for Eichner.
So yeah, it just feels like sometimes NA is afraid
to commit and they just get then lost in a
lot of people just get lost in limbo because of
that indecisiveness at times from a booking perspective. So that's
just my high level opinion.
Speaker 2: Hey, and maybe that's kind of like maybe Uhan Nation.
I mean, like I'm just this is all speculation, that
was it, right? But anyway, perhaps he saw that in
the cards right out of the gate and like they
and he bailed. I mean I again, like we are
another weekend with no mention of him. I thought for sure,
and this is the perfect segue. Well, I will say
last thoughts on h You know, I feel like Fabie
Knightner needs to have cut a promo or something like
I feel like they're they're not doing a good follow
up with some of these new people. I mean, like
with little follow up to no follow up in some cases.
Obviously I was also about to say, but like Fabie
and eight and are losing and then you know, he's
nowhere to be seen the next week, and I just
that I feel like that almost hurts It hurts him
just as bad as losing, is that the following week
there's no follow up. He could have even got he
could have mixed it up with them in that segment.
But you know, and I don't know what schedules are
or anything like that, but you know, I just I'm
wondering about follow up here with some of these I'm
pretty much a lot of this, but specifically that both
of these lower level are not our mid car titles,
like the International and the X Division title. You know,
there's just the follow up is strange, Yeah, if existent
at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it's you know, there's no thriller victory or
agony defeat. Wade talks about that a lot, where you
have no one talks about like desperately about you know,
having pride in winning the title, and no one talks about,
you know, the agony of you know, just suppression they
feel about losing the title because they put so much
into into it, because you know that's their ultimate goal.
That just so lacking, and so there's not a really
strong sports feel I think within within DNA, it's it's
very it's funny because it's like it's in the middle
of like AW and WWE. That's a certain extent where
it's like you want to be your own thing. You
don't want to be something in the middle of the
two premiere prominent North American companies, and you know you're
not really finding your own lane. You're just kind of
merging into the flow of traffic. Is weight off and
says as well, So that that's where I feel TEENA
can oftentimes find itself.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you know that, it's definitely not very
convincing that you know, for weeks at a time, no
one would be like, hey, I want your title like that,
you know, like that's not you know, I know that
you can't. It's not perfect, but like that's a pretty
simple thing. You got to be like, well, why wouldn't
somebody have already been like, yo, Cedric, I want your
title since since Fabian didn't beat you, I will be
I mean, you know, that's just it makes perfect sense
that that would always be happening in wrestling, even if
it's somebody who's going to be unsuccessful when they challenged,
I mean maybe more often than not. I just yeah,
that's a weird, weird stuff, and it's you know, the
Nation thing is a perfect example. I mean, they went
to this, nobody has challenged all leave for that title.
They left it up to a throw your throw a
vote in a box.
Speaker 3: That was also something that was really stupid from this episode.
It was like, oh man, this is like really really bad,
like sketch comedy, like the lowest level of sketch comedy
on a wrestling program, where I hate when they try
to just make it like a Schmorket sport for everyone
and then just do a bad job at every aspect.
I really can't stand that. It was so so stupid.
I can't see what that appeals to.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I will say this, I actually thought that I
don't understand why they're doing this, but I actually thought that,
for one for the first time that Jason Hotch actually
was pretty damn good in that and the one in
the segment where he told Ali like, no, I'm I'm
gonna go after the title. I'm going to actually challenge you,
like I actually thought that was pretty compelling at that
point like that, so I actually like that, but getting
to that through a through the vote thing, Like, I
just I don't understand why they had to do that,
do it that way and instead of him just standing
up to Ali and saying, no, you're looking for a challenger,
I'm your challenger. You know, I just don't understand why
they had to do it that way. Yeah, like humiliate him.
Speaker 3: But then, you know, I just hop Hodgkin Across is
actually he came across as a winner this week, and
that says that he was genuine. He seemed like he
cared about winning the title. He seemed like, yeah, you know,
he could be credible and he's gonna put everything behind
making that happen. But the way they got to it
was so unseerious. I think it ultimately hurt his case
when he did nothing he did wrong, because it was
just everything around him, you know, the teer that was given,
which is a real dumb way to get there, like
like like they felt like they had to do it
because it's part of Ali's gimmick and side don Aali too.
I've been a little down on him over the last
month too. When we were talking about being really high
in him, you know when we first kind of started
the podcast several several weeks back now maybe a month
and a half, but you know, his promotes on last
week's episode was it was just a bunch of weird platitudes,
like weird political platitudes that felt just so disconnected from
the spirit of professional wrestling, you know, putting the power
back in the hands of the people. You know that
they've had many votes for who will face him for
the innetional title, they hire more security for the occasion.
What does any any of that even mean? Who are
these people? Random wrestlers? Why does Ali get to decide
by a vote of a group of arbitrary, mysterious people
who will face next in his defense of his title?
And what what what? What does extra security needed? What
the hell does that even mean? Like what how what
does that have to do with anything that you just said?
But just a bunch of word you know, word sale
and garbage that was just talking for the sake of talking,
not being efficient and not really advancing any character, just
playing a political figure. It's like it's like, you know,
in nineteen nineties w W or WWF, where which is
everyone had like ever someone was a plumber all he
feels like the stereotypical politician in the next next to
his plumber opponents in nineteen ninety four w w or
w w F whatever. So yeah, it was. It's not
been a good few weeks for for Ali in my opinion,
And that's some of that's on him, because I guarantee
you he has the power to shape some of these
directions of this creative wy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if he does, I mean, and so yeah,
like you said, so, if he does have the power,
then yes, please like but some of it does kind
of I mean, unfortunately, some of it does seem to
me like you know, ideas Ali has and and maybe
that's just because he's you know, he's slotted in this
heel role and he's gonna be a heel here, and
you know he's going to do with what he can.
But I mean, and I'm not sure I assume that
that he's not in charge of all this looking because
I mean, there there making the storyline more about Hotch
and Tasha Steeles than Ali himself, when Ali is obviously
the higher ceiling. As far as like a talent that
you have on your roster. But like you said, it's
it's been even his performances have been pretty cheesy. Like
last week it was you know so you know, quote
unquote sports entertainment, and this week again was there, you
know again, like it just it has me scratching my head.
I mean, do you think do you think that Hotch
is beating Ahali for the international title? I mean, we
can only hope that this is actually leading to the
end of four or four as we know it, and
maybe so maybe we're like fast tracking that. I don't
I don't think that's what's happening, but yeah, what do
you think?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have no problem trying to get Hotch
and Tosha steels over. I think there's potential in both
those guys, but let's not do that at the expense
of Ali making him look like a complete like tool
in the process. I think all those things exist separate
of each other and be successful in their own regard.
I don't necessarily see Hotch feeding Ali, but that could
be a story that you could tell. You know, he
pulls off the big upset that throws off the entire
order of order for you know, obviously that creates the downfall,
the ultimate downfall of the group. I just ultimately, then
Hotch is the baby face, so like, is he is
he strong enough? I know the International isn't sort of
that important, but he's strong enough to be at that
position on the card. Yet I don't know if they've
put enough machinery behind him to make that, you know,
to make that possible at this or make that viable
decision at this point. You know, if that's something you
wanted to do, they should have created signals a little
bit earlier down the road that that's where they're getting
is maybe start giving him a few more credible wins
along the way as well as the post is just
being complete upset out of nowhere, and then no one
sees him as his credible They just see its being
a fluke upset, and then you're kind of worcaus are
again working backwards or you have to make him credible
to hold the international title at that point. So I'm
not inherently against him doing it, but I think once again,
and they could have created a strugger foundation to get
there in the first place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, I'm not sure. I guess it depends on
what their plan is as far as as where they
want the international title to be slotted and where they
want Ali to be slotted. I guess I could see
if they were planning on kind of trying to transition
the international title to be more like held by more younger,
you know, lesser known stars or people you know, on
the rise stars and get Ali eventually higher up the card.
Maybe that's possible. But again, he's just he's coming across
as such a such a clown. I mean, it's it's
it's it was some there was some cringe.
Speaker 3: Moments, yeah, daring that it was so bad. It wasn't
even just like bad material. It was some elements of
bad acting, like you said, just super chezy, like not
even like you know, like oh that's funny enough, but
like that's not really he should be on the card anyway.
He shouldn't be doing that stuff, and certainly not multiple
weeks in a row.
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's see. Oh I had a note just
like a quick question, and this is regarding the Moose
tag match with Moose and Elijah and versus A. J.
Francis and Kazarian. I just I don't understand why they
had an A. J. Francis Elijah feud, and Elijah won
the feud, and then they get into a tag match
against each other here and then A J. Francis wins.
Uh so like it was I was. I mean, I know,
this isn't really at this point that consequential of a
feud on the on the car really, but I don't
really even know what the feud is. I guess it's
still a Moose, but yeah, issues, I don't know even
who's really feuding.
Speaker 3: It's almost like these guys, yeah, they had to find
a way to like throw them together, and they have
like history, but it's like the history just happened, like
it feels like a couple of weeks ago. You're almost
like revisiting something that had ended, but in like tag form.
But also it's like, why is Moose with these guys?
He just beat Eddie Edwards in a pretty high profile
fluid one of the more high profile matches, it's Slammerversary.
It's almost like he's treaded treaded backwards now for no
apparent reason, and it's kind of in this random This
feels like one of the just like a TV filler,
like they just had to fill a feud, which I
get happens occasionally, but I don't think you should really
be involving you know, Moose in this, Elijah Fine, Frankie
Casarid Fine, whatever, that's kind of who they those guys are.
But even to AJ Francis, it's like, these guys are
just feel like they've been in limbo for so long.
I would say Moose has been in limbo, but it's
like he's taking a step back, and then AJ Francis
has been in limbo for so long. He's like, it's
wasting what you get out of these guys, and maybe
put them in something a little bit more higher profile
or something of more consequence. I just really don't even
really get what this is. It just feels like they
needed to fill time. It was like, come on, you
get two hours of TV a week. It's not like
you have so much time to feel that you know,
you got to do like dumb stuff like the B
to B every now and then has to do it
feels like so I don't really get it because it
just feels it just feels random to me, But I
think that's kind of what you were saying as well.
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Speaker 2: See you in the Paradise, Yeah, I mean, like like
you said, like Moose the Moose match with Eddie Edwards
that was probably what I as what I heard was
probably most people's favorite match of the night. I think
it was mine, not one hundred percent sure, I feel
like I remember it being.
Speaker 3: It was definitely what I enjoyed at least, so you know,
it was a upper tier for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so like Eddie Edwards, like the trajectory of
both of them since then has been pretty crazy considering
how the match went, Like since Eddie Edwards has like defeated, well,
well he did, and I don't I mean anyway, he's
he's been involved with like you know, cutting the few
legs under from uh, you know, Ricky Sosa, Leon Slater continuously,
whereas Moose has like gone down to hang out with
Aija and A. J. Francis. Yeah, it's just it's weird.
There's weird stuff going on there when you could be
using Moose, you know, at a higher level to at
least be putting somebody over. But I mean, I would
like for him to be involved with you. I don't
know at this point. I actually on paper, like I said,
I I wouldn't have hated and A. J. Francis Moose
feud in theory, but it just it's been it feels
like comedy. Like I said, I don't know if it's
a real feud anyway, and I don't, so it feels
like it's gonna be one of those things that might
last forever, that would be talking about in a month
or two for no reason at all. Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to be honest, you know, I like Moose
and you could definitely play face. I always preferred him
as a heel. He just has the look about him
and then the toughness, and I just feel like he
hits his stride and promo was a lot better when
he's in that heel type role. And I think there
are faces that can go opposite him too, right now,
I mean really use it like a Ricky Socid particular.
So that's just my personal opinion, but I've always enjoyed
Moose more in a heel type role. Even though he
can be a face. It's not the worst thing in
the world. But then you see what kind of happens,
and it feels like inevitably he regresses for whatever reason.
But I don't know if that's a creative decision or
that's it's a personal decision, but I feel like he's
typically a higher place on the card when he's a heal.
Speaker 2: That's that's interesting. So you mentioned it earlier and I
actually just saw this today as well. Was the former
eleash of Fox, Victoria Crawford being released. You know, I
feel like when I first saw that, I did, I
realized that I hadn't seen her on TV since you know,
well pretty much like right, well, I remember just you know,
seeing the Diamond Collective like one or two times, but
within the last couple maybe three months or so. But
I feel like she would have been a good one
you could have put even if you knew she was leaving.
And I don't know if there's anything more to the
story or anything like that.
Speaker 3: She requested her release, but they hadn't really been using
her much as well, And like you said, what's once
whence Tessa went and then Mila got moved to order
for it, the writing was kind of feel like the
writing was on the well for her regardless.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I could have at least seen
had her like be in the TV title tournament and
just take it, you know, a clean loss on the
way out, like I just I'm and you know, maybe
they asked and she didn't want to. I don't know
anything about it, but I just think that would have
been a good way to use her, at least on
the way out one time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely agree. And the division is so shallow you
can't tell me there isn't a place for her to
at least be kind of like a coach type level
person or like a player coach in the sense that
you know, she's been in the business what like twenty
years now. I feel field dated saying that, but I
think that's that's true. So it's like there's certainly some
value she could have added. And it's like, sure you
could say people that they're releasing and going away, you
know they weren't that critical. But it's like, when your
divisions are as thin as they are, you need like
hands too that can you know, take credible losses and
to get some of your other guys over, or can
you know, you know, carry or at least hold their
own end of the bargain in a match and not
be completely green. So you know, those things start adding
up over time. So then even like you lost a
veteran type in Victoria Crawford, and then the week before
you lost center in Saints, who were younger guys with
some up our potential. It's like that stuff starts adding
up over time, little little cracks in the armor of
death in your on your roster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're cutting people that can actually afford to
lose some and then so then you're actually beating the
people who you need to maybe not be losing so
much like like they did to last.
Speaker 3: Week, exactly messing up the tiers where you know, there
needs to be multiple tiers in the company as far
as you know kind of like lower to mid to
upper mid to the main event. You know, at least
have to have three to four levels to to your
roster to have a successful roster in my so.
Speaker 2: Hey, and and you know what, and if that's what
they're trying to do with Jason Hotch, ultimately, then you know,
like that that's actually you know, a redeemable thing if
we can look back, you know, and he's you know,
not like a top guy or anything like that, but
you know, they used him to kind of become like
a guy who who had a little run to get
to the internet with the international title, but ultimately is
a guy that is around to lose to you know,
other people. So that would be a nice thing. But yeah,
they have been getting rid of a lot of those people,
so you know, like like you said earlier that we
thought there were, you know, going to be people showing
up and and maybe that is going to be possible.
I think this past week was the ninety days for
all the those those cuts from w W, so it
is possible that that we see some of that action
coming soon. I have there's no like big rumors that
I saw in the last day or two as far
as that, but yeah, there has been a lot of
news as far as Sammy Guivara and Time Mellow, and
we kind of briefly discussed like the potential of them
going to TNA if there's not so much beef there
that that's not possible. I don't know. But what are
your thoughts on on the kind of the controversy I
guess we'll say, or just the stories lately about Govar
And I think Time Mellow was actually granted her right exctly, right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think Tony concept the press conference for Redemption that
he was going to grant her her release, so I
know that's officially yet, but he's at least saying he's
going to publicly. So yeah, and yeah, the thing was Sammy.
I imagine, you know, Sammy would be shortly to follow
because obviously they're married and have a child together. Well,
I don't know, because she says she wants to step
away from wrestling, so I don't know if that's separate
from Sammy, But there's been rumors that Sammy, you know,
he changes his bio with how aw It and it's like,
you know, the ring's on the wall with him to
an extent as well, he's basically relegated to ro Oh
for a good period of time. Now long way away
from that, we're going to the original four pillars. And
to be honest, I never really saw it with Sami's act.
It's always to me just been high spot, high spot,
high spot, with no thought behind what goes into anything
in between or what character he's playing. It's always the same,
the same move set, and he always comes across even
when he's a baby face is just a punch able,
douchey face. I mean this way. I think a lot
of people perceive him, whether that's fair or not, or
that's he's like in real life. It's also seemingly reportedly
had a lot of backstage eidents over the years as well,
So you know, I think all those things add up.
And yeah, I mean I don't really blame Tony for
Tony kN for not using him too much, but I mean,
if he wants out at this point, yeah, I guess
I would probably just grant him that. You know, I
don't even really see him fitting too well on WWE.
I just don't think he has that much range, and
it's not like he's super young at this point anymore either.
I think TNN might be the best fit for him
in the sense that he could probably be definitely even
at this point, at least a higher mid card even
upper level guy, depending on what they want. So I
would see TENA being a pretty good fit for Sammy
Gubara and maybe even ty Mellow. She says she's gonna
step away, so who knows, and she did just relatively
recently become a mother, so I could see that being
true as well. But that's just my my thoughts on
the topic. I don't know what yours. Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as far as Sammy Guvara, I mean,
I think he's a pretty good like gum chewing heel,
like you said, very punchable face. Never has worked as
a babyface at all and never and never really sell
you know, he's not a good seller. So, I mean,
he's one of the best athletes I've I've ever seen
in the ring, Like he's like Ricochet level can do things,
and I'm like, whoa, But it's like he never wanted
to put in. I mean, I've never done this, so
I don't know, I've never done this, so I don't
know anything about it. But it just doesn't seem like
he put in enough to care about it enough to
be that next level that he I think we might
have thought he could be. And again, I when I
saw him come out with the panda suit the first time,
I was like, who the hell is this guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I think it was the first episode of
Diamond with Cody, of the first episode of that first match,
and on History actually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. So Yeah. I mean, he definitely
was viewed at a high, high level at one point
in time, but I can't tell you the last time
I saw him on actual aw TV, So he's obviously
been in the doghouse as far as that goes, and
as far as like keeping people on that want to go,
I would definitely just you know, I'd probably just cut
people that want to get out, that aren't willing to
do to do, they don't want to be there and
are constantly That's just not good for an environment. So
especially if it's like, you know, a pretty lower level
guy at this point on your card, might as well
just cut bait on that. And I do think that
there is some potential for both both of those people,
Tie and Sammy and as they act together, but both
in the knockouts and you know, in the probably the
world title picture, upper mid picture for Sammy. I definitely
think they could fit in TNAU.
Speaker 3: And you know, both their acts are lacking something, so
maybe the recipe is bringing them together to make them
the ultimate heel heal act. Maybe yeah, maybe they each
feel field gaps that clearly exist, you know, you know,
between the other, so I could see that being I
thought they did that briefly at some point. Yeah, they did.
That's kind of what turned Sammy heels I think he
was facing I don't fully remember. And then they involved
it was with the feuding with the like the it
was a American top team with what Dan Lambert. I
think that's when they got involved together and that ultimately
ended up turning Sammy heel too, I think.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that that well there, that shows you what
happens when you try to, you know, push Sammy as
a as a baby face.
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, like you said, he's got the punishable
but like he never developed that like layers to even
his heel character. It's always just that chewing gum punchable guy,
which even that has his limits.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the Spanish god man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is what what we say? What what is?
What is Seth freakin Rollins? What is Spanish god? Sammi Gubara?
Speaker 2: So he doesn't even speak Spanish, yes.
Speaker 3: Exactly Spanish, you know by by dash Elli or blood,
but he's yeah, he doesn't speak fluid Spanish. Hey me,
Page speaks better Spanish than he does.
Speaker 2: So indeed, indeed, you.
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Speaker 2: Well, did you have any other notes on impact or
just in general?
Speaker 3: Just one note on impact? I think I sent a
text to you as well, but I think it was
last week or the week before I came. Remember it
was a fifteen ten verse three of the Young Bucks
questing their release from TNA. So I just want to
talk about, you know, the historic significance of that and
kind of somebody what IF's regarding that, you know, because
obviously the Bucks have gone on and you know, built
out very strong, would probably arguably one of the strongest
indie careers ever in professional wrestling, and then ultimately obviously
they're part of the ground squell for what ultimately became
AW as well. So they went on to have you know,
still very much active as well. They're going to face
cop and Cage at all in for the aw TAG titles.
It looks like as of yesterday after the show, so obviously,
you know, they're still very much active and they've had
quite the career sense since TNA. But yeah, it's like,
you know, you look at TNA's Tag division now and
you know what it once was and maybe what it
could have been if they had invested more at the
time instead of going with you know, a lot of
the big names. So I don't know if you had
any thoughts about that.
Speaker 2: I actually thought it was interesting just in general. Well
I had a couple of thoughts on it, but in generally,
I actually thought it was interesting that they put this
out there at all. And I just I actually wanted
to ask you what you thought about them saying this
right now, Like what is do you think if there's
something more to the story why they would actually put
this out out there right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's more about them kind of reminiscing
about their career to this point, and you know how
they got there and how they kind of mentioned two
where they kind of bet on themselves and obviously it
ultimately ended up working out, and I think they take
a lot of pride in that. So I don't even
necessarily think it's necessarily a slight at TNA at this point.
I think they're kind of well past that. But I
think it's then self reflecting looking back at their entire
careers and saying, you know, we did it, and you
know we better ourselves. You know we you know, we
thought we could make it work. We didn't when we
were proud of that. So I think it's more properly
a pride in themselves that it is, you know, a
slight at TNA. But then it also you know, when
we see it as people fans watching from the outside,
you know, it makes us consider, you know, what could
T and A have been Otherwise, what would they have
been if they decided to go to the TNA path.
Would they ended up in w W at some point
possib belief they would have waited a little bit longer.
Could they have gotten to that pick up a point
in TNA where they just not have the create of
support that was necessary. So those are all things that, Yeah,
I'm just evaluating it as a fan thinking of three
hundred and sixty degree degree view of the situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say this, that's the that's definitely the
first time I saw young Bucks has generation me. They
were detestable heels. Uh so actually, and they were and
they were interesting. I definitely remember them. They always stood out.
I can't say they ever looked particularly happy when when
they were in TNA, like from what I recall, So
that makes sense that they would feel this way maybe
perhaps kind of misused or not used enough or believed
in and that does suck. I mean that just like
thinking of all the other teams that kind of are
synonymous with TNA, they kind of left before becoming truly
synonymous with TNA when they've become, you know, arguably one
of the greatest tag teams of all time since So yeah,
it is. It is really interesting their story and and
they're kind of their their role in the TNA in
DNA history.
Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd be a good plaint you know. It definitely
at times looked you know, pretty depressed in TNA, and
there's been times where they've had that kind of you know,
uninspired looking aw over the year, particularly around the Sampook
situation as well, if I recall correctly, So you can
tell when they're invested when they're not, they definitely wear
that in their sleeves for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. My favorite Bucks eras when they were
heels and Nick Jackson would change his facial hair every week.
I just thought that was truly amazing stuff. And I
felt like that was when they were the most motivated
to just kind of like actually get heat and stuff.
And I think that might have been around the Kenny
title reign, the first title rain if I'm at the
memory service, but yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I even thought last year when they kind of did
the Broke Bucks thing when they lost three BP titles.
After all, in last year, at least they really bought
they really bought into those characters. It seemed like they
were having fun. I know that those are like the
kind of that kind of character isn't for everyone, but
at least they were really invested, it felt like that point.
So that was another moment kind of similar to the
Kenny title era first as well.
Speaker 2: No, honestly, that got me more into the Bucks than
I've been in a long time. That might be kind
of like out of the CM punk stuff I was,
you know, I was kind of just down on everybody
out of the whole situation. I was just like guys,
I mean, just everybody. So yeah, I mean I definitely
higher on the Bucks lately. Now they're back as babyfaces,
you know, and I prefer Bucks as heels personally. I
just think they're a little more fun that way. But yeah,
and you know, I feel like here they're gonna be
feuding now, it's gonna be like I'm like, I kind
of feel like we're about to get Elite Elite versus
Death Riders. If that hasn't already happened before, I can't
remember and at this point, but I don't think that's
truly happened.
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's full weight been a feud.
Maybe they've crossed paths and the tagish matches here and there,
but I don't think it's ever been a full blown
fewd this point.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Okay, Well, last thoughts on Young Bucks. You said,
and this is kind of like bleeding into some aw
talk obviously, but you said that they are going to
be in a match against Cope and Age at Swimbley.
Do you think they're sticking with just two teams in there?
Do you think we're going to get some more developments
and yeah, perhaps get some more teams in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, coping cage that I used to coping edge buttend.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but yeah, yeah, so I was
kind of I could see it going either way. I
definitely understand why need to do the one on one
matchup type thing, but I also think it's such a
rare circumstance where you can have this volume of like
potentially Hall of Fame level or legendary tag teams kind
of in one company at the same time being able
to wrestle. I feel like that the opportunity is a
hard one to pass up. So I could see really
going either way. So maybe they do this, but then
maybe they do like a I don't know, like a
New Day FTR match as well, or something like I
can't imagine not having a New Day in the card
in some capacity, or they just do like a multiman
ladder match without having the other two teams and then
that ultimately would decide to will face the champion going
to the next pay per view. I could see that
happening as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, just a little bit of I think I
do have a lot several aw redemption thoughts to get
your thoughts on as well.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 2: I thought that somebody was debuting. They even felt like
they were kind of lingering, like on the back screen
a little bit after the tag match where Coping Christian defended.
I just I felt like they were lingering there. But yeah, anyway,
it didn't happen.
Speaker 3: I also think the MotorCity Machine Guns will debut this
Wednesday in Detroit and actually might go to that show.
Speaker 2: That was what I was going to ask you. I
saw that that's happening. Are you going?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's going to be a game to
decision because I do have some stuff going on, but
usually it doesn't matter anyway. You can just find tickets
day up, so I'll make the decision at that point.
If I do go, i'll call it a wage shows. Well, yes,
but I know Greg Kanner from the Aulide After Show
is going to be there for sure. You mentioned on
the show that he's going, so I think he's calling
the Wait show as well. So next week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two on site correspondence is better than one.
Speaker 3: Baby, let's go exactly.
Speaker 2: So that's that is so high.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be really cool if if they debuted, though,
because at least that equol story to tell.
Speaker 2: So absolutely, Yeah, well JB, I think I think that
about doing for the for the free portion.
Speaker 3: It's pretty quick. But just once again, the worst segment
of the week is the Mister Elegance with the Michael
Jackson glove defeating bead. Why why is he defeating bad
Why is he wearing a solo Michael Jackson glove. I
think I said my Missus, I don't believe any more
needs to be said. I just put the title.
Speaker 4: That was it.
Speaker 3: It was just under missus and they gave the title
that's that should be enough context understand why it's so stupid.
But it's like I thought we were getting away from this,
but nope, we still find time to waste on a
weekday basis with the Elegance brand.
Speaker 2: So you know, I actually I and I just skipped
over it right before I went went in about Victoria Crawford.
I actually did have a note in the notes. It
says returning to the Mister Elegance push for some reason
and they beat b D to him like I and
so yeah, I definitely took note of that. And I
didn't know what the gloves were about. I was like,
so they're adding layers to mister Elegance by adding gloves.
I mean, now we've got the personal concierge acting blind.
Speaker 3: I don't get it. So it's like what we talked
about with with DDP back in the day, where the
hat on a hat on a hat his gimmick was
like just having three different things but none of it
was connected or made sense. That's what it feels like
with the Elegance brand right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you said, it kind of felt like
they were getting away from it and maybe kind of
like reading the room a little bit, but uh oh,
here we were just oiled up as ever and and
and ready to go and beating people that, like the
fans are into your fans are like you're you're you're
taking like each of your stars, Leon Slater, Ricky Sosa, Bde,
Casey Navarro, all the young guys you've got and the
case Navarro defeat. That's one that makes sense and that
I can get behind. But the rest of them, uh,
just beating them and that every time they come out.
They're the ones that are the most over on your shows,
especially the last two months, and they just keep losing
over and over and over again to like mister Elegance
and the system who are just like like you said,
spinning their wheels.
Speaker 3: Mister Elegance just gets some wins. It's like why so
like we talked about Lee back in the day, even
back then, in the following week he beats someone that
was like somewhat credible as well. It's like, why Elijah,
which is whatever I have that important? But even still honestly,
like we said, it's important to have tears. What do
you guys like Elijah losing to jokes like mister Elegance,
I mean he could be credible, but he's just in
a stupid weirdo faction. So no one's gonna everyone look
at that be like well this is dumb? Or would
I think anyone loses this guy? Seriously? And you do
it multiple important people, like your tears are all out
of whack, and then there's no structure to actually build
people that are credible for the title at that point.
So it just foggles my mind. But you know what
have you?
Speaker 2: Mister Elegance is the tear buster exactly.
Speaker 3: It's like, let's I don't get the fascination with the guy.
I mean, whatever, he could be okay, sure, just get
him on this weird gamick and have him like lower
mint card. That's fine. Whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I probably would be putting
BD over mister Elegance right now. I mean, I don't know,
I don't I mean, I'm not like one hundred percent
sold on BD. I still got to see somewhere about him.
He has a following, and he is, you know, popular,
and he's pretty good, so he's.
Speaker 3: Got more credibility than I mean I say, I'm like
I said, I'm not sold on him, but I think
he has more potential than mister Elegance.
Speaker 2: So for sure. Yeah, all right, Well, JB, do you
think that will wrap up the free portion?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely think we hit all the the main stuff.
So another good week. You know, things are shaping up
for Lockdown and we'll we're on the road there. Obviously,
ultimately we get to the bigger shows of the year.
Speaker 2: So heck yeah. Well, we'd like to thank all the
free free listeners for tuning in. We'll hope you'll check
out JB's hit some Misses for TNA and the TNA
Impact Future Tracker by me and JB. He did the
primer for Redemption, so if you haven't done that you
need to check that out if you haven't gotten into
all their redemption coverage that's gone down this week. But yeah,
we hope you have a good week and tune in
next week.
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