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Speaker 2: You're listening to Destination Impact with Zach and JB on

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the PW Torch part of the daily cast lineup. What's up, JB?

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Speaker 3: Well, what's up Zach? How's it going?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Pretty good? Man played a little rock and roll this weekend,

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as I was telling you, so that's always a fun thing,

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but it makes for an interesting, interesting Monday. But uh,

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I feel somewhat rested after some pasta and a little

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bit of raw, so I'm ready to ready to chat

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it up about some DNA. Nice. What about you? How

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was your weekend?

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Speaker 3: Pretty good? Kick Complaine had a friend in town and

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we went to a baseball game, So yeah, pretty nice,

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pretty pretty pretty chill. So yeah, excellently. I watched the

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Watch the a w p B last night too. Actually, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched that mostly. I started it last night,

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so I think I got a couple of matches in,

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but I've finished it today, So I was thinking we definitely,

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uh we would have some thoughts on on that show,

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maybe in the in the v I P after.

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Speaker 3: Show perhaps absolutely Uh.

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Speaker 2: Well, so coming out of Impact this week, I mean,

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I'm not sure what would be the biggest story for you.

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I guess obviously it would most likely be just generally

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that Nick Nimouth retained the DNA title against Casey Navarro

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pretty much as we as we hadn't expected. I'm not

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sure if they had, Like I mean, I think that

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they did announce last week that this match was happening,

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but it was like it wasn't made abundantly clear that

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they were doing the title match this week. I don't

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recall it being like made very clear because until maybe

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the very end there, but like I don't remember in

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the promo of them actually saying the match was going

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to take place this week on Impact. So maybe they

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did cover that on commentary later last week. But yeah,

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so Jeed, just your general thoughts on the Nmath retaining.

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I definitely liked We'll both like I'm sure that you know,

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he like turned Ryan away, so it was a clean win.

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So I do like that, But yeah, what are your

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thoughts on on that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think we I don't think

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it's any surprise that that Nemuth retained in the sense that,

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you know, I think it was kind of relatively just

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won the title, and it wasn't really honestly huge build

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up with Navarro. I think we kind of talked about how,

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you know, we thought would like that to maybe be

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abit a little bit stronger along the way. It seemed

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like kind of pretty quick build up to the match

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title match, honestly without really not really being on a

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major show either. So not really sure what that says

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what they think about Navarro or if maybe this isn't

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quite over yet. But yeah, I mean, ultimately, I don't

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think there's any huge surprise to the outcome. And you know,

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the match, the match was fine, so you know, maybe

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would have liked a little bit longer and more substantial

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build for you know, Navarro's kind of first crack at

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the main event title scene. But you know, the match

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was okay, and at least they had decided to elevate

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Navarro to this point we need. It paid a pretty

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good joint, so it can't complain too much. So you

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do feel like this was somewhat effective elevation of Navarro here.

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I think it could have been better, but at least

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they decided to go that way, So yeah, I definitely

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think they probably could have done a little bit more.

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And it was really only a couple of weeks with

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not a ton to be perfectly honest with you, but

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at least they got to the match. The match was

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pretty good in and of itself, so you know, it's

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kind of in the middle of it because I'm glad

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they gave him the shot, but I would have liked

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the shot to be a little bit more substantial too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like wanting more left wanting more. It

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just I don't know, it felt weird. It felt like

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this was a natural storyline, but it kind of felt

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like they they didn't believe in it to build it

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up more and kind of like make this be I mean,

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of surprised that they couldn't just have built this to

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them at least, and maybe they still will, I'm not sure,

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but I feel like, you know, Nimus as always is

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going to sell really well, and I felt like there

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were some pretty convincing near falls that got me thinking

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just for a second. But you know, I guess that

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was just me like hopeful or wishful thinking and just

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kind of I guess, I don't know, getting tricked by

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the moment.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps, Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of with you. I was

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surprised they didn't, you know, carry this to Lockdown like

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you said, maybe they will because you know, the Lockdown

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match carries the pay per view, so it's not like

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they have to have necessarily the biggest world title match

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on the show. So I was thinking it was going

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to be this in some capacity, but maybe they throw

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out some stipulation to maybe like kind of some type

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of rematch. Teenage does tend to do that anyway, so

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you know, maybe it's not out of the realm of possibility.

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But then again, you also probably don't want to borrow

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losing back to back, you know, in that quick secession

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either necessarily, so it's something he has.

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Speaker 2: To be you're yeah, I mean, are there any other

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signs of what's to come for Nick Nimmouth If it's

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not more Casey Navarro? I mean it feels like everybody

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else is pretty much tied up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of the thing as well. I mean, technically,

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I guess you don't even necessarily have to have a

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world title match at the Lockdown review. Maybe it could

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be some form of tag match, probably with the Nemus. Unfortunately,

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so Ryan would like to be involved in that case,

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but I could see that be that being a possibility

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as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I hear you on that. Uh, I'm sure

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that would just lead to Ryan Nimmoth taking the fall

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in the in that case. So I did appreciate I

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said this, but I did appreciate a clean win. I mean,

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you know, like we haven't gotten a ton of that,

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Like there's a lot of interference and distraction finishes. So

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I feel like that was a choice there, so and

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for once seemingly a somewhat I guess it's more confident

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choice there, so I will note that. But also there

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was the just throwing it in here because it was

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it reached new heights of absurdity, and that is the

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injury report this week was like they said, they said

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one thing, and then it went to Ray Walt talking

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about Nimuth, and then it went to one other injury

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briefly or I think it went to him talking about

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Nimoth like three different times and the thing. So now

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it's literally just like a promo segment for Matthew Raywall

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to put over Magnimus. So that was pretty crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just I don't think that. I

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don't think that injury report does anything for the show

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or characters at this point. So I would just honestly,

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this is what it's going to be, completely nix it

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or just do a complete revamp. But yeah, it's kind

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of it's almost you know, parody at this point.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, maybe it is leading to them

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just getting rid of it. I'm kind of hoping that's

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what it is at this point. So I just saw

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this like within the last hour. I was just kind

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of trying to dig for any and this is like

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this isn't really it's current events is just because it's

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of what the topic is. But I wanted to get

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your thoughts on I saw j R. Talking about the

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like idea of visler Man buying TNA, and I just

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wanted to I wanted to know if you saw that

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and if if so, like if if you had any

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thoughts on that and if you think that's a reality

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or a possible real possibility, and if so, like what

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would that mean?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean I didn't see that, but kind

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of just making you know, hearing it that. You know,

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I don't really see a high likelihood of that happening.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I could see w W E or t k O

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outright buying TNA at some point in the near future,

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but I think at this point it depends. Is an

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eighty year old man who's shown seemingly diminished over the

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last few years, at least we've heard kind of privately,

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and then I think the car accident relatively recently as well. Yeah,

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I don't know how much he would be able to

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really give to I mean, even if he does, I

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don't know how much people to change it or what

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value he would really be able to add. And I

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don't think I think we saw in his last run,

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well before any of this even news came out. He's

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well past his creative peak or creative prime that might

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have been in the you know, late nineties, early two

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thousands of his peak. So we're talking over you know,

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over a half a quarter of a century ago at

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this point, So you know, he's he's well past the

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peak for creative value. In my opinion, I think he

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can probably get pretty pretty weird pretty quickly. I mean,

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weirder than it is. And even with the with the

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broken universe kind of deal, oh goshut know what he

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would add to that, But you can only imagine. But yeah,

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I honestly keep hearing people talk about even Vince coming

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back to I think out of it, a lot of

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it is just pure speculation or even wishful thinking by

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a few folks who were close with Vince back back

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in the day. But I don't see a lot of

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Speaker 3: What's your take on that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I definitely don't understand why there is this talk

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of like people wanting him back in WWE, for sure,

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because I feel like everybody, one of them gone and

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now I mean, I don't know about everybody or I

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don't know, but I think it is kind of crazy

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because like, you know, people are talking about him potentially,

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you know, just speculating on him doing things behind the

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scenes right now. But I do then you need to

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think about as like his health, as a as just

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a human being. And like that video of him, you know,

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that of that car stop or you know, or wreck

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or whatever it was, Yeah, it didn't great and didn't

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look like you know, I don't know, it didn't look

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like a situation like where he's ready to get back

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into the into the game. So I did think it.

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I find it interesting that so many people are talking

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about it, especially like people kind of in the business

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or you know, And I don't know if they're just

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doing it to get clicks, which is kind of my assumption,

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I guess, But yeah, I tend to agree with you.

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I feel like if Vince was going to return to

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wrestling somewhere. It's it's really strictly as like an on

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screen person, which even that is kind of a crazy

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idea in itself, but I guess that's the one thing

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that makes sense to me. Yeah, So, I mean that's

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pretty much my thoughts on it. But I do find

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it interesting that this is going around and kind of

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the way Jar framed it was just like if he

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was going to get back in, he would assume that

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it would be with like people that are still kind

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of at least in existence. But yeah, I don't know,

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it seems like he's got a lot of other stuff

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going on that probably needs more of his attention, honestly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess never said ever in this business,

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but I would if you had maybe bet I would

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bet against that the likelihood of that.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I hope not anyway. Okay, So, and we've

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kind of like talked a good bit about the Knockouts

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TV title tournament and was one of the things we

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our initial things we talked about last week, and honestly,

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it was kind of one of the things that had

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me thinking a lot this week. So we had this

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Elena Black and Windy Chew match and it goes to

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a draw finish and they're both eliminated, and that's with

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Zybrookside interfering and and so basically it all is exactly

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what we were kind of like wondering why they're doing it.

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And so, yeah, I guess it looks like Elena Black

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is now a babyface and is going to be gunning

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for the world the knockouts, the world title, and I

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guess she's not winning the TV title. So what were

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your thoughts on all that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like this at all. I guess if

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you want to make Elena face, okay, I would still

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vote against that in the sense that I think she

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was in a pretty good job as a heal. It

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was felt authentic to her, and it was, you know,

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if she was finally finding her own voice. I feel

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like after you know, kind of meandering an NXT in

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the beginning of TNA for a while. So I would

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have definitely I thought she was on a good path

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as a heel. But if you're gonna make her a face,

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go on and making her face, I feel like they

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didn't even really do that. You wouldn't really know. There

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was almost no story told. It was almost one week

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she was a heel, but then they positioned her against

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or a face or penser against like I guess, a

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bigger heel, which turned her face. But she didn't really

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change any qualities about herself to make her a face,

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So there was no story or no storytelling being done there.

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So I really don't get that. It seemed like there

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are other faces kind of in this Knockout TV title

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tournament that could have you could have positioned against Brookside

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that would have made more sense than in the Land

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of Black. At this point, it just really kind of

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felt like it came out of nowhere, like they realized

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they didn't have anything, so they just kind of hot

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shotted this. That was That was my take on it,

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my immediate take. I don't know your thoughts, but imagine

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they're in the same vein.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, we saw it coming last week,

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but we just we wanted to kind of like think,

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maybe it wasn't what we thought was happening, but then

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it was definitely exactly what we saw. They just did

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it one week. They teased the feud there in the

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backstay segment, and then boom, it was done, and so

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it was just like, Okay, she turned babyface. By being attacked,

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which that's always you know, that's a you know, the

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weakest way to turn or basically in my mind with

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But she did give the handshake to choose, so I

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guess you can like make the case that she did

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make one character change right there. She showed some respect

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to her opponent.

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Speaker 3: You have to be in a longer journey though, with

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the character that heals her as opposed to one handshake

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moment just makes her face all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, she literally was. She was making a

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deal with the Elegance brand three weeks ago to help

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to to like, you know, collude on a victory. I

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guess Indy hartwell, so yeah, like it definitely was obviously

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a change of plans, and I guess this is possible,

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you know, more the influence of the new creative team

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taking shape here. Maybe they see a lot in Elena Black.

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I mean, but yeah, like, you know, some maybe a

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little more thought and build into it would have been nice.

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I mean, do you think that they were planning this

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from the start of the TV Title Tournament? At least.

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Speaker 3: So did the TV stald the TV Title Tournament start

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after the Lyrics took full control. I can't remember her before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the first week was the the first

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week of tape was after Slam.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if it almost seems like it wasn't, but there

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seems like nothing happened where they would need an im

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media audible either. So either way, it seems like a weird, weird,

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weird decision to be so it almost feels like it

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was an audible. But then I look and I go,

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why with what they need the audible on. It's not

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like any injury happened that that changed anything significantly in

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that period of time. So it's kind of a bit

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baffling to me because it feels like that's what happened.

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But then you look at the you look at the

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the I guess the landscape, and there's no reason for

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that necessity of that. So I'm just a little bit

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confused as to kind of where that came from or

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what was a driving force behind that decision.

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Speaker 2: And also just like the the idea of like booking

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a draw in a tournament, that's I had that really

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it's really weird. Yeah, but also okay, so let's see

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ahead of my notes.

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Speaker 3: But okay, so I don't you could make a time

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limit draw work if there's some kind of something behind it,

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that makes sense. But it didn't make sense in the

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sense that why were both women eliminated? When was this established?

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This was never established pre tournament, so it's just something

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that you're just kind of really you're making up on

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the fly, or at least I don't recall anything I've

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been established. And the first time we're learning about this

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critical tournament rules from Kenzie Missile Mitchell post match and

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just off the quick comment, you know, that seems pretty

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significant to me. It feels like something that deserves a

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little bit more Brava toss behind it, you know, and

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it hurts the rest of the tournament in my opinion,

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because it's like, you know, these matches are just the

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kind of throwaway we'll kind of make a decision as

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we go along, and that hurts the overall you know,

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direction of the tournament or you know, the foundation of

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the tournament in my opinion as well. So I was

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I was really baffled by by that that decision. It

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just kind of that how they treated it so inconsequential

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after you're making a big deal out of this tournament

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to begin with. So I don't know, I don't know

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your thoughts on that word.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was actually exactly what I was scared of

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from the very beginning. If you recall, I was saying

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like I was scared that there was going to be

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a lot of this, like making the tournament of backdrop

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for other storylines, and they didn't do that for a

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week or two. But here we are. It's like now

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it's like a big part of all. So yeah, they

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they did the And I'm not sure if you're gonna

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if you did book the draw from the beginning, I'm

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just like, you do so many interference and distraction finishes

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or even DQ finishes. I mean, I guess you if

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you did book both of them not to advance, that's

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a weird way to book a tournament. I mean that

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means you book two people to not win or lose,

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And that's just and and and the idea of Wendy

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Chew not being able to lose to Elena Black at

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this point is also kind of like a discredit to her.

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I mean, I just it's this was a weird thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, why why is there a time limit draw in this?

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Why is it a tournament? Like it'd be like a

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tie and you know uh, you know, liked the and

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the Super Bowl or something like that. It's like, why

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is that even allowed and why is that a thing?

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There should be like a sudden tes element that is

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ultimate deciding factor, not just arbitrarily they're both eliminated. That

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makes very little sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously I was. I don't know, I just I

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have high hopes for Lena Black, but I mean, this

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feels like they're gonna they're kind of casting her in

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a different way when she's just now, like you said,

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she's getting her footing going, and I felt like she

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was kind of like one of the old school like

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good heels on the like like I mean, I almost

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like she's gonna end up playing the same character against

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de Zion Brookside and they're just gonna be saying, you know,

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one's a good guy, one's a bad guy. But it's

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literally gonna be like kind of similar characters going against

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each other there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and I've all I think there's a

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lot of potential to e Lane as well, but I

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thought there's so much more meat on the bone as

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a heel, there was really no reason to turn her.

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I mean, why rushi it? Maybe maybe six to six

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months to a year done the line, you know, I

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would say even like a year done the line, because

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like you said, she was getting genuine heat, which I

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can't say that for that many people on the TEENA

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roster at this point that are on the heel side.

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So why would you you know, if it ain't broke,

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don't fix it kind of situation in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was I mean, there was a lot

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of questionable things that happened on this episode of Impact,

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but I think in real time that was the one

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that really like upset me the most. In the moment,

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even even with them teasing it last week, I was

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still just like with everything about it, Like even teasing

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the feud between Elena Black Zion Brookside, I was like, okay,

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you can make that make sense. But then on top

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of just plucking the match in all of this like that,

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it just it was really really crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because if they wanted to have a hill versus

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heel match, I wouldn't do it that often. But you

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can do it, but then you change. Now you can't

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go back on Black now, because then it really destroys

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the constitution of her character. So at this point, you

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got it seems like you got to move forward with

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her as a face. So I would have just if

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they're if they're help Helbna doing it, I'd have just

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kept the heel versus Hue kind of one off situation,

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which I wouldn't recommend doing often, but still better than

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the alternative in this case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they, I mean, I'm not I don't want

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to just like openly talk trash, but I mean I'm

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scared that they will after I'll just this one off

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feud will probably just turn a lean a black heel

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again right after that. I mean, I feel like I

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don't have the faith that they're not going to do

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that at this at this point, really.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah, it seems like the handshake thing

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is just kind of a cheap setup to make this

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feud last. It seems like lazy booking that since they

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had no one else built up to face Brooks side,

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so they're like, oh, Black's doing a good job, let's

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shoehorn her in there somehow, without you know, considering the

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constitution her character beyond this feud, which could hurt her

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as a heel if they decide to move forward as

477
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,400
a heel, because she's you know, undoubtedly probably gonna get

478
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,720
some fans kind of in the interim period, so people

479
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,240
won't just won't be sure how to feel about her

480
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,799
moving forward, which would be a real issue and kind

481
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,559
of unfair to her my opinion.

482
00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:15,599
Speaker 2: So I mean, unless they view her like super highly

483
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,240
and they're just like similar straight to the top, and

484
00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:20,960
then she just takes the title from Brookside and is

485
00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:24,920
still the heel Elena Black for the most part. I mean,

486
00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:28,200
I guess if that's where it's going, then I don't

487
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,079
know why they would have done the handshake thing. But

488
00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:34,440
so I don't really I think they turned her face.

489
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:36,480
But at the same time, I guess I could see

490
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,039
her kind of like maybe they just have more faith

491
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,079
in her lately, so they could just like, you know,

492
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,480
straight shot her to the title. And I wouldn't be

493
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:46,599
completely opposed to that.

494
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, but I agree, I wouldn't either. But at

495
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,400
that point, then why they hit the title off ealing

496
00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,480
yeeling eling link to begin with, Because she was a

497
00:25:55,519 --> 00:26:00,200
pretty decentish face, so keep her the title. If if

498
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,880
that's the case, then Black should be where Brookside is

499
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,720
right now. They didn't have that much face and Brookside

500
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,599
apparently so she should have been the one to ultimately

501
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,200
take the title off of Lee. So then you get

502
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,799
the traditional heel face match up and you get to

503
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,759
keep Black as the heel who's a heel champion where

504
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:14,960
I think there's a lot There was a still a

505
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,839
lot more meat on the bonus I said earlier, So

506
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,559
it seems like they were kind of working backwards in

507
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:19,160
that situation.

508
00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going to have a lot of work to do,

509
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,480
Like coming out of all that, I feel like they're

510
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:31,279
they're almost setting themselves up for some issues. But I'll

511
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:31,880
be here for it.

512
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 3: Well, I'm true, will talk, true, will have time to

513
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,440
talk about it.

514
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,519
Speaker 2: So absolutely. I guess we might as well cover the

515
00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:42,119
other match they had in the tournament this week, and

516
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,960
that was a pretty decent match. I mean, it was

517
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,359
kind of clucky at times, just the work in the match,

518
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,000
But was Jada Stone, who's kind of a I've seen

519
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,039
her a few times on TV, you know, super energetic,

520
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:58,920
kind of upstart. I guess Alicia Edwards and going into

521
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,119
this I was kind of thinking Alicia Edwards might get

522
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,119
a win because they've been like, I just didn't. I don't.

523
00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:07,440
I am like not reading the system very well, and

524
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:09,920
that's where this is gonna go. But I was I

525
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:12,200
was happy to see finally like an upset in the

526
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:15,559
tournament one of the younger stars go over kind of

527
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,440
a more you know, quote unquote established star in TNA

528
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,759
in the knockout divisions. So did you have any thoughts

529
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:23,400
on that match?

530
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, so I thought, yeah, I thought they made

531
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,119
the right decision. That was actually one of my hits

532
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,880
for this week. I'm glad they put Stone over. I

533
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,519
think it's a good use of this tournament to elevate

534
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:37,359
younger talent in the knockout scene, which kind of desperately

535
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,000
needs at this point. And you know Alicia Edwards, I mean,

536
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:41,960
she's she's fine. She kind of annoys me with you,

537
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:45,240
as you mentioned her intaset interference in yelling. I just

538
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,480
she's kind of she can be channel changing for me

539
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:51,759
at different points. But I do think it's good to

540
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,480
use her to get some of the younger talent over,

541
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:55,799
so that they made the right call in this case.

542
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,480
So not much more to it than that, but but

543
00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:00,400
I do see some potential in jadastone so I'm glad

544
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,240
they decided to go with their this case.

545
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty much. That was pretty much exactly how

546
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,680
I felt. And I was glad that they finally yet,

547
00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:12,079
like you said, they should use it to elevate some people.

548
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,240
And if she's the if Jenny Stone is the main

549
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:18,759
one that they you know, kind of elevate in the

550
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:26,880
in the interim, you know, then that's good. So now

551
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:32,519
that Elena Black is out, are we going with? I mean,

552
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:34,240
who are you going with to win the tournament?

553
00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 5: Now?

554
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,319
Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, I guess, I guess tomorrow Sunday. Maybe, I guess.

555
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:44,720
At this point, she seems like she has the most

556
00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:46,960
potential and it seems like, you know, like I said,

557
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,400
we felt already made for Lena Black, but they're not

558
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,799
going that direction. So we thought it was probably gonna

559
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:54,000
be here that was gonna be the first to hold

560
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:55,960
the title. But you know, I think all that's kind

561
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,000
of out the window at this point. So maybe I'll

562
00:28:58,039 --> 00:28:59,599
just go with I think, who is the most potential?

563
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:00,920
But what are your thoughts?

564
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:05,839
Speaker 2: Yeah? And you know, like when we first announced it,

565
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,359
she was the one I would want to win when

566
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,720
it first was announced, with like a runner up being

567
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:18,359
Indy Hartwell, though I thought Indy Hartwell would have been like, like,

568
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:21,000
I just would have booked this completely differently, Like if

569
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,000
you were gonna need somebody to be a baby face

570
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:26,599
against Cyabrooks side, then the obvious choice was Indy Hartwell,

571
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:28,400
and you just like figure out a way to get

572
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,000
her out in the first round and then you don't

573
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:34,200
worry about this, like, but they chose the other way,

574
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:36,920
So I'm not sure why they did that. Maybe they

575
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,440
have bigger plans for Indy down the road. I can

576
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:42,960
only hope, but I guess I'm at this point, I'm

577
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,960
hoping that's the final and they just go with two

578
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,240
baby faces against each other with no shenanigans. I haven't

579
00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:52,839
looked at the updated bracket, so I know that they're

580
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,880
on the opposite side, so that could that would probably

581
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:57,000
likely still line up.

582
00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:00,359
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I'd be fine with that as a final.

583
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,359
But once again, I'd prefer a traditional heel face final,

584
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,519
which if they would have, they could have just played

585
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:09,119
it right, that didn't mess with anything. And where was

586
00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:10,839
it was Elena Black and India on the same side.

587
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: No, yeah, Elena Black was is on the left side.

588
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,440
I'm pretty sure and Moros is on the right side.

589
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:21,759
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, so it would have worked perfectly perfectly because

590
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:23,359
then you get Indian too, the main event scene for

591
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,680
a little bit. If they needed to do a person

592
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:26,000
to do it for a short period of time, she

593
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:29,319
could definitely. She's definitely ready to similar to case Navarrow.

594
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:31,000
I think they'relmost kind of in a similar place on

595
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,480
the men's women's side at this point. So you know,

596
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:37,000
I think that would have worked out pretty well. Actually,

597
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:40,039
so they you know, once again, did a little Jeff

598
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:41,640
Jared try to do a little bit too much, got

599
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:44,640
to Q by two, Q by half, and now I

600
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,359
don't think it lines up as well for the tournament

601
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,119
or for the main event that got scene either.

602
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:53,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, you know, if they want to,

603
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,440
they want to throw us, we could even like guest

604
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,880
spot of booking, give us the tapings or something, you know, uh,

605
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:01,759
and then it'll be fine, you know, we'll see what

606
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:02,119
we can do.

607
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, of course. And of course you know it's

608
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,559
much easier to to book from you know, my laptop

609
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,920
screen with no ya pussure. But you know that's that's

610
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,000
what we're here to do, you know what I mean,

611
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:14,000
that's what you get when you're public facing figures, so

612
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,000
they can paid money to very true, he's us and

613
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:20,599
we don't agree with that. We can avoise our opinions,

614
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:23,599
so very very true.

615
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Speaker 2: So last thoughts on that, I I do you think

625
00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:02,039
Elena Black is I mean, do you see her defeating

626
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:04,400
Brookside for the title here or is it just way

627
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,680
too soon whenever they get to this match, I mean,

628
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:08,400
what do you think?

629
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,319
Speaker 3: It seems like it's way too soon. It seems like

630
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:12,279
could be kind of throwing the towel in on Brookside,

631
00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:14,440
which you know, then I would worry about her. You're

632
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,000
moving forward because the fans would be like okay, but

633
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,119
we kind of see where they see Brookside, so that

634
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,640
would be something that I think would stay with her

635
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,440
for a while. So yeah, yeah, it almost seems like

636
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:25,440
Indy could have taken that loss a little bit easier

637
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,720
as well as opposed to Elena just where there at

638
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,559
the points in their careers. So that's why I just

639
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,680
Coig used to baffle me, But I think Brooks goes

640
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,079
over still, but you know, who knows, you know at

641
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,400
this point. But that's that's I think how I would

642
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,480
book it, you know, once they made the decision that

643
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:42,839
they made.

644
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:48,119
Speaker 2: So I had this crazy epiphany. And I'm not sure

645
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:51,599
if they would do this and copyright if you are,

646
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,119
just you know, give me at least credit. But they

647
00:32:55,799 --> 00:33:00,480
could do this weird thing where laying Lee returns as

648
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:04,559
a heel and enjoins Brookside, And I don't know if

649
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:08,720
that would make the act better or not, but I

650
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,480
just I thought maybe it'd be like she could actually

651
00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:16,079
be Brookside's heavy here. I don't know if that if

652
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:18,720
that could be convincing or not. But it was like

653
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:21,119
a little bit of a fantasy booking thought I had,

654
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,680
and I just kind of wanted to get your brief

655
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,160
thoughts on if you think that is a feasible storyline,

656
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:29,519
if you're if they're going to try to stick with

657
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,920
Brookside holding onto the title for an extended time as

658
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:33,319
a heel.

659
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I mentioned in the past, you know,

660
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:38,119
I would have reversed it. I would have had Brookside

661
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:41,480
as the face and healing Lee healingly as the heel

662
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,599
out of that feud or out of yeah, that tag

663
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,039
team and out of that few that sense had to

664
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:49,960
begin with. You know, I don't know if I think that.

665
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,319
I'm a big fan of constant turning for the sake

666
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:55,039
of fixing mistakes that you made in your booking to

667
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,400
fix that, So I'm definitely not against the idea of

668
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:01,480
having Brookside having having Heavy. I don't know that I

669
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:04,240
would make Lee the heavy in this case. I'd have

670
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:06,880
to look at the TENA roster in general as far

671
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,079
as you know, kind of more hostile women that could

672
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:11,519
be heavy types, kind of like a Megan Maine and

673
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:18,199
aw but or Lean across her partner. But I'm sure

674
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,119
there's someone that could work. And I don't dislike the

675
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,360
idea for having a heavy I don't think I would

676
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,599
have it as Lee as this point I think I

677
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:26,559
would keep them a little bit separated, but I definitely

678
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:28,239
not the worst idea in the world. I just think

679
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,840
that that would be kind of making a sudden decision

680
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,199
to fix an error that was unnecessarily made to begin with,

681
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,159
which I think is like just kind of a bunch

682
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:40,079
of stack of cards falling down, or like dominos falling over,

683
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:42,679
or just kind of mistakes just start compounding on each

684
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:44,360
other when you could have just taken the path to

685
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,519
the least resistance to begin with.

686
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that's probably more just me thinking

687
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,719
about like getting a heavy for her, because I do

688
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,639
feel like the act needs something, and she her playing

689
00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:00,599
off of someone you know, might just it might probably

690
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:04,079
help her, and you know, yeah, we probably should keep

691
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:08,159
playing Lee far away from her. I'm actually interested to

692
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,039
see what they have next for laying Lee. It's kind

693
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:14,840
of another one of those things I'm just watching to

694
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,679
see what happens. And you know, I'm not one hundred

695
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:21,000
percent sure that they're actually done with the feud between

696
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:24,400
her and Brookside completely. I feel like it's something they

697
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,480
might maybe would go back to, but she could actually

698
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:33,280
end up aligning with Elena Black. It's gonna get so

699
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,000
weird with Elena Black as a as a face though,

700
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:39,880
because unless she does change a lot, so I don't know,

701
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:44,360
it's a mess. It's kind of intriguing that they did

702
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:49,559
all of this, but yeah, I'm at least intrigued about

703
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:53,519
where all this knockouts, both the world title and the

704
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:54,400
TV title.

705
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you as to say, you know, like a train

706
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,880
train or train wrecker a correct and it could be intriguing.

707
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,679
Doesn't mean it's really a good thing though, for you know,

708
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,159
the future potential. But I agree in the sense that

709
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,079
it's kind of I think we're trying to go you know,

710
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,960
you mentioned earlier I could see them leaning Alena Black

711
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:16,320
just heal for this feud, just for like you talked

712
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,920
about earlier, which I'm still also not a fan of

713
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,599
them doing. But I almost feel like, of all the

714
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:24,239
bad decisions, it's the kind of least at one at

715
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,039
this point, so like, just lean her maybe but not

716
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,440
do too much different to have the feud and then

717
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:31,800
put her back and we try to help her more

718
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,559
in a huge role. But that's just more like you

719
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:35,559
didn't have to do that, But I could see that

720
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:38,440
being the less harmful option at this point amongst any

721
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,559
other option, So.

722
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of lots of work to do over there

723
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,239
with that. With all that and speaking of what must

724
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,760
have been a lot of work to do, what about

725
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,199
Righteous deletion.

726
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's uh my notes as well, But yeah, a lot,

727
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,440
I mean, not surprisingly a lot going on there, surprise. Yeah,

728
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,480
I mentioned this before that just is it my preferred

729
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:10,880
style wrestling. I understand there's probably an audience for it,

730
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,800
but I you know, I just feel like this is

731
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,800
something they've gone to the world too so many times

732
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,519
that there's just been just diminishing returns on this now. Yeah, yeah,

733
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,280
it definitely hits for some. I did see that it

734
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,199
Teenage did like over three hundred thousand this week, which

735
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,760
I think is their best rating since Neilson ratings is

736
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,800
being on AMC. Surprising, but it seems like the numbers

737
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,519
for Nielsen in the last few weeks have been really

738
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:37,079
inflated for for a lot of the rest of the shows,

739
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:40,239
aw included, So I'm not sure what's going on there,

740
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,320
but maybe maybe there's something to that. But yeah, I

741
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,559
would say that, you know, the Righteous too, like we

742
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,280
talked about last week, and I think the last few

743
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,199
weeks they feel like they were had gotten further away

744
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,000
from the titles, and they just kind of randomly pulled

745
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:57,519
back in almost because once again there's no one else

746
00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:00,360
in the tag division to make this work, so they

747
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,400
couldn't feel any further way from the tag titles at

748
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,079
this point. It's like, how many times can a team

749
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,320
lose before they're just lose credibility in that in the

750
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,639
fans vision of them. Also, what I didn't like is

751
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:13,639
the bell never even rain to start or in this match.

752
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:17,280
You know, I get it, it's a cinematic style wrestling match,

753
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,599
but there should be some consistency to actual wrestling otherwise

754
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:22,639
than the tag titles becomes so detached from the rest

755
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,320
of the actual championships or kind of in ring wrestling

756
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,159
that it makes it It makes the show feel so

757
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,400
silent and segmented that that I can't get lost in

758
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,840
immersion and rates way to talks about this, But you know,

759
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,679
I just I'm just thinking about all these different things

760
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,960
in their own different silos as opposed to a cohesive

761
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,760
television program, which I think are the most successful television programs.

762
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,039
So you know, that was that was my general higher

763
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,679
level take on the match in and of itself. I mean,

764
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,840
it was what I expected. But that's just not you know,

765
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:56,840
I see some errors in that in my personal opinion.

766
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:58,360
So I don't know what your thoughts were.

767
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean I thought it was obviously probably

768
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,079
the I mean I haven't. I don't know if I've

769
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:11,280
watched every single one of the like Hardy Compound matches,

770
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,440
but I think I might have. This is probably the

771
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:18,360
worst one. I mean, I don't. I don't know if

772
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,800
I ever saw the tag titles actually there, if it

773
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,599
was like made clear that the like that it was

774
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:27,719
for the tag titles. I was certainly wondering that the

775
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,079
whole time as well. And yeah, they're like I don't

776
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:34,199
I think there was a bell to start, but like

777
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,679
when they went in and there might not have been either,

778
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,360
but you know, and there's like it's just it's a

779
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:44,639
it's craziness, like I mean teleportation and and you know,

780
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,519
at this point that's not really what I'm trying to see.

781
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,039
I I will say that I thought like Dutch was

782
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,519
like the big winner out of this. I thought he

783
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:00,559
came across kind of like endearing in a lot of

784
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:04,760
ways throughout the thing and kind of funny, low key funny. Also,

785
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,199
when I've previously been kind of like I don't know

786
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,920
about this guy, but I thought that, Like I thought

787
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:14,000
Dutch was pretty cool in this, but you know, like

788
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:18,880
all the kids, and you know, it was just the music.

789
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,639
It was just as literal cinematic. It was like literally

790
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:31,239
the most cinematic match imaginable. So, you know, I don't

791
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,760
know if I don't know if there's a giant place

792
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,119
for that in any of the mainstream wrestling, you know,

793
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:41,920
much these days much less just like over and over

794
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:47,079
and over the the party compound and stuff. So yeah,

795
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,039
I watched it. I mean, I mean, you know, yeah,

796
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:51,199
go ahead, sorry, I.

797
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 3: Mean you're up. Yeah, But it's almost like a want

798
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,119
of them change it up a little bit. It just

799
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:57,920
feels repetitive at this point, like maybe find a different

800
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:01,800
venue or a different landscape or just a different element

801
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,880
to the act. The act just feels like it's repeating itself,

802
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,719
it's insisting upon itself from a family guy quote, and

803
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,960
it's just it's boring to be at this point. I

804
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,159
don't know, I just feel like it was original when

805
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,440
it first happened, and I think we talked about this before,

806
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,119
but I felt like James and Jimmy Borsh was a

807
00:41:18,159 --> 00:41:22,920
lot behind that as well from a production capacity. But yeah,

808
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,719
it just feels like it's at least five years, probably

809
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,280
more past the time this point.

810
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:32,800
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811
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what if they became a faction. I mean,

824
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,360
I think I might have mentioned that, and I'm starting

825
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,320
to wonder if that's actually possibly where this is going,

826
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:20,239
or at least if not briefly I mean, I mean

827
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,320
I don't know how that translates to in like an

828
00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:26,239
entring product as far as like a wrestling faction. But

829
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,159
I mean, what are your thoughts on a on a

830
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:31,039
righteous deletion faction?

831
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:33,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if they're going to do that, I

832
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:35,000
kind of wish they would have done it by this

833
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:36,440
point though, I mean, what do you have to have

834
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:41,159
like seven six seven matches before over how many months

835
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,880
before that that happens, Like, you know, it felt like

836
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,119
to they could have done a better job creating signpost

837
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,679
signaling towards that. I feel like maybe they've done small

838
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,079
bits here and there, but I feel like it should

839
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:55,119
be a heavier investment if that was gonna be the

840
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:58,639
direction that they decided to go. And I also, like

841
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,280
you just mentioned, I mean, how does that translate to

842
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:02,840
the rest of the roster? I mean, who do you

843
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,480
do with this huge weird faction? I mean, who are

844
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,079
they going to feud against that? It's believable, you know,

845
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,320
like you said, the multi team divisions lacking to it

846
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,159
would just be like the system that's it. Basically, it

847
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:16,159
would be the system that's about. I mean not to

848
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,920
say they couldn't make like say they brought in like

849
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,920
the whis six. I don't say bringing in that large

850
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,239
of a team seems it seems like every week they're

851
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,039
making cuts, but I'm not seeing a lot of new signings.

852
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,920
Is not promised. But you know, that was where the

853
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,199
smoke was from a perspective. It seems like there was

854
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:32,920
another release this week too that I think we'll get to.

855
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,320
But it was Victoria Crawford. She was Alasia Fox and yes, yeah,

856
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,719
so that was another. But it seems like every week

857
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,320
we get a release here or too there, and divisions

858
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,440
that are already pretty thin. It's like whenever we get

859
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,360
some investment back into this as well. But like you said,

860
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,559
it would just be a two faction feud for another

861
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:51,119
six to eight months between the System and the System

862
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:52,760
has already kind of been feuding with the Hardy's the

863
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,679
rights just to begin with, So how do do you

864
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,800
even reunite that to make any any real sense.

865
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,679
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I don't know if it makes sense,

866
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:06,519
and they haven't seen any like super strong signs, but

867
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:09,679
maybe just to I don't know, I feel like I've

868
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:11,519
picked up on a couple of little things here and there,

869
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:13,440
but again I don't know what that means other than

870
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,559
feuding with the System for a while, and and that

871
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:18,480
might work for a little while, you know, but I

872
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:20,440
don't know what it what it means after that other

873
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:23,360
than just another like they break up and it's another

874
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:26,840
half of the year of Hardy's versus the System or

875
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,519
something or no, Hardy's versus the Righteous. Yeah, I mean, yeah,

876
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:34,239
I'm not sure where that's going. It didn't seem like

877
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,039
they again were making the tag titles that much of

878
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:37,599
a focus.

879
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,159
Speaker 3: That's that's the problem I have with the Hardys too,

880
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,480
is it's their act. They don't even cares about. The

881
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,320
titles are like a weird prop in like a you know,

882
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,159
like a fun house or something. It's like like you

883
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,760
get if you like throw the balls and knock the

884
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:55,239
bottles down. But but the real, the real act is

885
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,199
that at the funhouse or the freak show, you know

886
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,039
what I mean, That's what it feels like to me.

887
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. And well, and speaking of the System, you know,

888
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:11,119
they had their like entering segment, and I actually thought

889
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:14,519
Bear Bronson was the most interesting, Like it was the

890
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:17,000
best the person who stood out the most in the

891
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:20,039
mic on the mic in the in the segment before

892
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:22,280
Leon Slater came in, and stole the whole thing, as

893
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,519
he does like every time he touches the micro lately,

894
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,800
they better just calmed down and given him the mic

895
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,920
if they don't want him to be so ever, But uh, yeah,

896
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,280
so I just any thoughts on the like, on the

897
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:38,280
System storyline. They did kind of seemingly get back to

898
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:44,800
the Slater SOSA team possibly happening, and so I mean,

899
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,119
and they obviously to me, they have the most credibility

900
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:50,679
of any team in the division right now, like we

901
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,639
kind of said last week, but even more so now

902
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,239
it feels like it. So yeah, I just wanted to

903
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,719
get your thoughts on on the System stuff. I think

904
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:04,320
that they did that before the Alicia Edwards match, and

905
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,400
so it still was kind of like about them talking

906
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,280
about their struggles are over and all this, but still

907
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:13,400
they were all they were directing their hatred towards so so.

908
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:16,920
But yeah, so anyway thoughts on that segment.

909
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, just kind of side of the

910
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:21,519
start off. I could do without Alisha ed We're just

911
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:25,920
kind of starting with all the constantly yelling. It's like,

912
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,559
what are you really adding? It's it's the it's the

913
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,119
Dolf Zigler screaming into the overmodulating on the mic, but

914
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,719
without the gravitas of Delford Nicknammath behind you, just a

915
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,920
kind of a random, basically you know, manager ish sque

916
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:46,199
type person. So yeah, Brodson, Yeah, he bray Rotson was okay.

917
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,039
Just like you said of the Systems promo on last

918
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,119
last Thursdays Impact, that was probably the best, I guess,

919
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,440
but I feel like the Systems kind of spinning their

920
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,360
wheels too. I feel like their promos oftentimes very samesy,

921
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:02,599
not really adding anything to the characters. It's just a

922
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:05,039
reinforcement of what their characters have been for quite some

923
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:10,559
time now, you know, basically since the breakup from mooseh

924
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,480
and uh yeah, you know. I didn't hate it, but

925
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:17,400
it didn't feel like it really added much. The one

926
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,840
thing you mentioned is so said Slater, though I'm glad

927
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,639
they got involved at the end. I'm glad that they

928
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:26,679
seem to be getting some acknowledgement because, like you said,

929
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,679
I feel like they're the jolt of I guess adrenaline

930
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,000
needed in the tag division. That's pretty much in my

931
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,760
opinion debt at this point. So I would certainly be

932
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,880
behind them getting a strong tag push. Well, how you know,

933
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:44,840
like you said, you're still a Slater. You know, who

934
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,440
knows about Slater, But it's put it seems like he's

935
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,840
gonna be around for at least a little bit, so

936
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,280
you can't hurt to put the tag time. I mean,

937
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,360
the tactiles aren't treated as super serious anyway, so there's

938
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:54,960
there'll be no harm in kind of help using him

939
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,559
to get so so over in kind of a cool

940
00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:58,920
tag team. And then if if Slater were to leave,

941
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,760
at least so would have that credibility behind them in

942
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,880
that thrug from Slater, So that would be the way

943
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,719
I would definitely go. And then yeah, use the System

944
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:07,840
as a vehicle to make that happen.

945
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it absolutely, I honestly don't care if Slater's leaving

946
00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:16,239
or not. I mean, like it's better than just I mean,

947
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:19,880
it's better than the tag titles being non existent out

948
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,199
at the Hearty Compound, and it would it would just

949
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,000
be interesting, you know, to see a young team get

950
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:28,119
a run here and and not just go back to

951
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:29,960
the System or be at the Hardy's if they're not

952
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:33,199
I mean, they're obviously I guess not giving the Righteous

953
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:36,199
a shot. And you know, I don't know if they

954
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,920
really earned it or not, but I thought it was

955
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:39,880
at the time back you know, a month ago or

956
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,760
you know, going into Slammiversary, just felt like, yeah, this

957
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:44,920
is an obvious choice, but they didn't go that way.

958
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:48,360
So now I'm ready to see something else for sure,

959
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:53,920
So hopefully they will do that again. It's like every

960
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,000
other week they kind of I don't know, it seems

961
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:59,480
like they get away from it. I won't be surprised

962
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,400
if Fabi and Aner gets involved with this storyline also again,

963
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:09,360
so yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm I'm still

964
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,719
hoping that Fabi and Eightner is the next ex Division champion,

965
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,039
but again I'm not I'm not sure. I mean, any

966
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:22,920
thoughts on updated thoughts on the X Division title situation

967
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:26,519
with Cedric and I mean again, they like it seems

968
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:29,719
like they have to because they do have a decently

969
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,199
sized roster. It feels like they have to like take

970
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,559
turns and like basically put certain titles on the back

971
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:38,440
burner for a whole week stretches of weeks at a

972
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:41,360
time where they don't even mention it at all. I mean,

973
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,360
I feel like the ex Division title is back to that.

974
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:45,320
I mean, you know, he waves it around, but they

975
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,320
haven't really mentioned it at all. Yeah, just general thoughts

976
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,760
on on the X Division title, and and that it.

977
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: Feels like too many titles in TEENA just like you say,

978
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:58,000
just get lost in stuff on really lack importance or

979
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,920
lack build behind the titles, and not many people talk

980
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,559
about wanting to be champion outside the TNA championship obviously,

981
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:06,360
and that's really then that's only a few people that

982
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,400
talk about that, and it feels like, yeah, the championships

983
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,760
are just fun props, but they're not something serious to

984
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,480
be seriously competed over, which should obviously be the back

985
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:17,280
owner foundation of any wrestling company, which where I think

986
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,159
that's where I see tailacing honestly, probably from one of

987
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:22,719
the biggest issues they have is that is that I

988
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,000
don't feel too connected to the championships or invested in

989
00:50:26,119 --> 00:50:28,960
people winning them, just because the company doesn't feel invested

990
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,480
in telling those stories, I feel like sometimes so, yeah,

991
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:34,440
that's certainly the case of the X Division title right now.

992
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,440
I feel like Fabe Eichner would have definitely added some

993
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:40,559
freshness behind that and could you could have made him

994
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:42,800
your guy that's that's a proud ex Division champion and

995
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,320
he can talk about that. It seems like he's the

996
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,400
guy that can cut that type of promo. So I

997
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:48,320
still don't really get the decision to have so like

998
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,320
alex in Er not only win the the the Ultimate

999
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,960
X match at Slammer Rosary, but then also beats Eichner

1000
00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:57,039
in in his singles match several weeks later, which we

1001
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,800
thought for sure would be the running moment for Eichner.

1002
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,679
So yeah, it just feels like sometimes NA is afraid

1003
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,559
to commit and they just get then lost in a

1004
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:07,639
lot of people just get lost in limbo because of

1005
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:11,800
that indecisiveness at times from a booking perspective. So that's

1006
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:12,840
just my high level opinion.

1007
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: Hey, and maybe that's kind of like maybe Uhan Nation.

1008
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,239
I mean, like I'm just this is all speculation, that

1009
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:25,000
was it, right? But anyway, perhaps he saw that in

1010
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:27,159
the cards right out of the gate and like they

1011
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:30,199
and he bailed. I mean I again, like we are

1012
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,679
another weekend with no mention of him. I thought for sure,

1013
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,280
and this is the perfect segue. Well, I will say

1014
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,400
last thoughts on h You know, I feel like Fabie

1015
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,079
Knightner needs to have cut a promo or something like

1016
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,760
I feel like they're they're not doing a good follow

1017
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,239
up with some of these new people. I mean, like

1018
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,639
with little follow up to no follow up in some cases.

1019
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:00,320
Obviously I was also about to say, but like Fabie

1020
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,280
and eight and are losing and then you know, he's

1021
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,679
nowhere to be seen the next week, and I just

1022
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:07,400
that I feel like that almost hurts It hurts him

1023
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:10,480
just as bad as losing, is that the following week

1024
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:12,559
there's no follow up. He could have even got he

1025
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:14,639
could have mixed it up with them in that segment.

1026
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,760
But you know, and I don't know what schedules are

1027
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,679
or anything like that, but you know, I just I'm

1028
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,320
wondering about follow up here with some of these I'm

1029
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,360
pretty much a lot of this, but specifically that both

1030
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,199
of these lower level are not our mid car titles,

1031
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,639
like the International and the X Division title. You know,

1032
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,599
there's just the follow up is strange, Yeah, if existent

1033
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:38,960
at all.

1034
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it's you know, there's no thriller victory or

1035
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,559
agony defeat. Wade talks about that a lot, where you

1036
00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:47,639
have no one talks about like desperately about you know,

1037
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:50,400
having pride in winning the title, and no one talks about,

1038
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,480
you know, the agony of you know, just suppression they

1039
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,320
feel about losing the title because they put so much

1040
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,760
into into it, because you know that's their ultimate goal.

1041
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,039
That just so lacking, and so there's not a really

1042
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:05,320
strong sports feel I think within within DNA, it's it's

1043
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:08,119
very it's funny because it's like it's in the middle

1044
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:11,079
of like AW and WWE. That's a certain extent where

1045
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:14,039
it's like you want to be your own thing. You

1046
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:16,119
don't want to be something in the middle of the

1047
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:20,679
two premiere prominent North American companies, and you know you're

1048
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,719
not really finding your own lane. You're just kind of

1049
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,039
merging into the flow of traffic. Is weight off and

1050
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:27,280
says as well, So that that's where I feel TEENA

1051
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,840
can oftentimes find itself.

1052
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,320
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1071
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you know that, it's definitely not very

1072
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:32,719
convincing that you know, for weeks at a time, no

1073
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,800
one would be like, hey, I want your title like that,

1074
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:39,719
you know, like that's not you know, I know that

1075
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,079
you can't. It's not perfect, but like that's a pretty

1076
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:44,960
simple thing. You got to be like, well, why wouldn't

1077
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:48,000
somebody have already been like, yo, Cedric, I want your

1078
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:51,199
title since since Fabian didn't beat you, I will be

1079
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,920
I mean, you know, that's just it makes perfect sense

1080
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,000
that that would always be happening in wrestling, even if

1081
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,920
it's somebody who's going to be unsuccessful when they challenged,

1082
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,159
I mean maybe more often than not. I just yeah,

1083
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:09,079
that's a weird, weird stuff, and it's you know, the

1084
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:12,880
Nation thing is a perfect example. I mean, they went

1085
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,679
to this, nobody has challenged all leave for that title.

1086
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:19,599
They left it up to a throw your throw a

1087
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:20,599
vote in a box.

1088
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 3: That was also something that was really stupid from this episode.

1089
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,000
It was like, oh man, this is like really really bad,

1090
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:30,440
like sketch comedy, like the lowest level of sketch comedy

1091
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,719
on a wrestling program, where I hate when they try

1092
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,400
to just make it like a Schmorket sport for everyone

1093
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,360
and then just do a bad job at every aspect.

1094
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,920
I really can't stand that. It was so so stupid.

1095
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,119
I can't see what that appeals to.

1096
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:50,119
Speaker 2: Honestly, I will say this, I actually thought that I

1097
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,480
don't understand why they're doing this, but I actually thought that,

1098
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:57,280
for one for the first time that Jason Hotch actually

1099
00:55:57,559 --> 00:56:00,960
was pretty damn good in that and the one in

1100
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:05,559
the segment where he told Ali like, no, I'm I'm

1101
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:08,119
gonna go after the title. I'm going to actually challenge you,

1102
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:11,320
like I actually thought that was pretty compelling at that

1103
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,840
point like that, so I actually like that, but getting

1104
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,159
to that through a through the vote thing, Like, I

1105
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,440
just I don't understand why they had to do that,

1106
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:22,840
do it that way and instead of him just standing

1107
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,920
up to Ali and saying, no, you're looking for a challenger,

1108
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,360
I'm your challenger. You know, I just don't understand why

1109
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,920
they had to do it that way. Yeah, like humiliate him.

1110
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 3: But then, you know, I just hop Hodgkin Across is

1111
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:35,960
actually he came across as a winner this week, and

1112
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,679
that says that he was genuine. He seemed like he

1113
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,239
cared about winning the title. He seemed like, yeah, you know,

1114
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,239
he could be credible and he's gonna put everything behind

1115
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,039
making that happen. But the way they got to it

1116
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:47,800
was so unseerious. I think it ultimately hurt his case

1117
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,079
when he did nothing he did wrong, because it was

1118
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:53,559
just everything around him, you know, the teer that was given,

1119
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,000
which is a real dumb way to get there, like

1120
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:57,760
like like they felt like they had to do it

1121
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,039
because it's part of Ali's gimmick and side don Aali too.

1122
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:02,719
I've been a little down on him over the last

1123
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,599
month too. When we were talking about being really high

1124
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:07,519
in him, you know when we first kind of started

1125
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:10,760
the podcast several several weeks back now maybe a month

1126
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,639
and a half, but you know, his promotes on last

1127
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:17,000
week's episode was it was just a bunch of weird platitudes,

1128
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:20,039
like weird political platitudes that felt just so disconnected from

1129
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:23,159
the spirit of professional wrestling, you know, putting the power

1130
00:57:23,199 --> 00:57:24,880
back in the hands of the people. You know that

1131
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:26,840
they've had many votes for who will face him for

1132
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,440
the innetional title, they hire more security for the occasion.

1133
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:32,679
What does any any of that even mean? Who are

1134
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:35,920
these people? Random wrestlers? Why does Ali get to decide

1135
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,480
by a vote of a group of arbitrary, mysterious people

1136
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,079
who will face next in his defense of his title?

1137
00:57:41,679 --> 00:57:44,079
And what what what? What does extra security needed? What

1138
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:46,519
the hell does that even mean? Like what how what

1139
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:48,199
does that have to do with anything that you just said?

1140
00:57:48,599 --> 00:57:51,400
But just a bunch of word you know, word sale

1141
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,199
and garbage that was just talking for the sake of talking,

1142
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:57,519
not being efficient and not really advancing any character, just

1143
00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:00,360
playing a political figure. It's like it's like, you know,

1144
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,920
in nineteen nineties w W or WWF, where which is

1145
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,159
everyone had like ever someone was a plumber all he

1146
00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:08,039
feels like the stereotypical politician in the next next to

1147
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:11,840
his plumber opponents in nineteen ninety four w w or

1148
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,199
w w F whatever. So yeah, it was. It's not

1149
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,239
been a good few weeks for for Ali in my opinion,

1150
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,800
And that's some of that's on him, because I guarantee

1151
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,440
you he has the power to shape some of these

1152
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,239
directions of this creative wy.

1153
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if he does, I mean, and so yeah,

1154
00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:31,719
like you said, so, if he does have the power,

1155
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,000
then yes, please like but some of it does kind

1156
00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:38,199
of I mean, unfortunately, some of it does seem to

1157
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,920
me like you know, ideas Ali has and and maybe

1158
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,239
that's just because he's you know, he's slotted in this

1159
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,119
heel role and he's gonna be a heel here, and

1160
00:58:48,519 --> 00:58:50,239
you know he's going to do with what he can.

1161
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:54,400
But I mean, and I'm not sure I assume that

1162
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:57,280
that he's not in charge of all this looking because

1163
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,960
I mean, there there making the storyline more about Hotch

1164
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:07,000
and Tasha Steeles than Ali himself, when Ali is obviously

1165
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:09,400
the higher ceiling. As far as like a talent that

1166
00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:13,880
you have on your roster. But like you said, it's

1167
00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:18,800
it's been even his performances have been pretty cheesy. Like

1168
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,159
last week it was you know so you know, quote

1169
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:25,400
unquote sports entertainment, and this week again was there, you

1170
00:59:25,519 --> 00:59:29,440
know again, like it just it has me scratching my head.

1171
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,360
I mean, do you think do you think that Hotch

1172
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,320
is beating Ahali for the international title? I mean, we

1173
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,559
can only hope that this is actually leading to the

1174
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,519
end of four or four as we know it, and

1175
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:45,800
maybe so maybe we're like fast tracking that. I don't

1176
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,880
I don't think that's what's happening, but yeah, what do

1177
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:49,239
you think?

1178
00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have no problem trying to get Hotch

1179
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,199
and Tosha steels over. I think there's potential in both

1180
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:56,719
those guys, but let's not do that at the expense

1181
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,000
of Ali making him look like a complete like tool

1182
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,679
in the process. I think all those things exist separate

1183
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:03,639
of each other and be successful in their own regard.

1184
01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:08,639
I don't necessarily see Hotch feeding Ali, but that could

1185
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:10,840
be a story that you could tell. You know, he

1186
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,760
pulls off the big upset that throws off the entire

1187
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,000
order of order for you know, obviously that creates the downfall,

1188
01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:19,960
the ultimate downfall of the group. I just ultimately, then

1189
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:23,360
Hotch is the baby face, so like, is he is

1190
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,320
he strong enough? I know the International isn't sort of

1191
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,079
that important, but he's strong enough to be at that

1192
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:29,239
position on the card. Yet I don't know if they've

1193
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,679
put enough machinery behind him to make that, you know,

1194
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,679
to make that possible at this or make that viable

1195
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:37,719
decision at this point. You know, if that's something you

1196
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,039
wanted to do, they should have created signals a little

1197
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:41,840
bit earlier down the road that that's where they're getting

1198
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,800
is maybe start giving him a few more credible wins

1199
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,800
along the way as well as the post is just

1200
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,159
being complete upset out of nowhere, and then no one

1201
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:49,880
sees him as his credible They just see its being

1202
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,039
a fluke upset, and then you're kind of worcaus are

1203
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:53,960
again working backwards or you have to make him credible

1204
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,519
to hold the international title at that point. So I'm

1205
01:00:56,519 --> 01:00:59,960
not inherently against him doing it, but I think once again,

1206
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,039
and they could have created a strugger foundation to get

1207
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:02,840
there in the first place.

1208
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, I'm not sure. I guess it depends on

1209
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,840
what their plan is as far as as where they

1210
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,760
want the international title to be slotted and where they

1211
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:20,079
want Ali to be slotted. I guess I could see

1212
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:24,360
if they were planning on kind of trying to transition

1213
01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:30,480
the international title to be more like held by more younger,

1214
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:33,280
you know, lesser known stars or people you know, on

1215
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,480
the rise stars and get Ali eventually higher up the card.

1216
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:42,679
Maybe that's possible. But again, he's just he's coming across

1217
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,920
as such a such a clown. I mean, it's it's

1218
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:48,239
it's it was some there was some cringe.

1219
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,039
Speaker 3: Moments, yeah, daring that it was so bad. It wasn't

1220
01:01:51,039 --> 01:01:53,760
even just like bad material. It was some elements of

1221
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,960
bad acting, like you said, just super chezy, like not

1222
01:01:57,079 --> 01:01:59,519
even like you know, like oh that's funny enough, but

1223
01:01:59,559 --> 01:02:01,440
like that's not really he should be on the card anyway.

1224
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:03,880
He shouldn't be doing that stuff, and certainly not multiple

1225
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:04,480
weeks in a row.

1226
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:13,199
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's see. Oh I had a note just

1227
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,480
like a quick question, and this is regarding the Moose

1228
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:22,719
tag match with Moose and Elijah and versus A. J.

1229
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:28,679
Francis and Kazarian. I just I don't understand why they

1230
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:33,639
had an A. J. Francis Elijah feud, and Elijah won

1231
01:02:33,719 --> 01:02:36,199
the feud, and then they get into a tag match

1232
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:40,360
against each other here and then A J. Francis wins.

1233
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:45,079
Uh so like it was I was. I mean, I know,

1234
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:47,639
this isn't really at this point that consequential of a

1235
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:51,280
feud on the on the car really, but I don't

1236
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,119
really even know what the feud is. I guess it's

1237
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:56,760
still a Moose, but yeah, issues, I don't know even

1238
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:58,000
who's really feuding.

1239
01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 3: It's almost like these guys, yeah, they had to find

1240
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,320
a way to like throw them together, and they have

1241
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,800
like history, but it's like the history just happened, like

1242
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,880
it feels like a couple of weeks ago. You're almost

1243
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,800
like revisiting something that had ended, but in like tag form.

1244
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:13,840
But also it's like, why is Moose with these guys?

1245
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,320
He just beat Eddie Edwards in a pretty high profile

1246
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,719
fluid one of the more high profile matches, it's Slammerversary.

1247
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:22,559
It's almost like he's treaded treaded backwards now for no

1248
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:25,679
apparent reason, and it's kind of in this random This

1249
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,400
feels like one of the just like a TV filler,

1250
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,400
like they just had to fill a feud, which I

1251
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,840
get happens occasionally, but I don't think you should really

1252
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,920
be involving you know, Moose in this, Elijah Fine, Frankie

1253
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,400
Casarid Fine, whatever, that's kind of who they those guys are.

1254
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:39,800
But even to AJ Francis, it's like, these guys are

1255
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,519
just feel like they've been in limbo for so long.

1256
01:03:41,719 --> 01:03:43,880
I would say Moose has been in limbo, but it's

1257
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:45,679
like he's taking a step back, and then AJ Francis

1258
01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:47,599
has been in limbo for so long. He's like, it's

1259
01:03:47,639 --> 01:03:50,000
wasting what you get out of these guys, and maybe

1260
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:52,639
put them in something a little bit more higher profile

1261
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,519
or something of more consequence. I just really don't even

1262
01:03:55,559 --> 01:03:57,800
really get what this is. It just feels like they

1263
01:03:58,239 --> 01:04:00,480
needed to fill time. It was like, come on, you

1264
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:02,280
get two hours of TV a week. It's not like

1265
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,519
you have so much time to feel that you know,

1266
01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:06,119
you got to do like dumb stuff like the B

1267
01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:07,360
to B every now and then has to do it

1268
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,599
feels like so I don't really get it because it

1269
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:12,840
just feels it just feels random to me, But I

1270
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,480
think that's kind of what you were saying as well.

1271
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:20,119
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Speaker 2: See you in the Paradise, Yeah, I mean, like like

1290
01:05:25,159 --> 01:05:29,239
you said, like Moose the Moose match with Eddie Edwards

1291
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,239
that was probably what I as what I heard was

1292
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,079
probably most people's favorite match of the night. I think

1293
01:05:36,119 --> 01:05:38,880
it was mine, not one hundred percent sure, I feel

1294
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:40,199
like I remember it being.

1295
01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:43,159
Speaker 3: It was definitely what I enjoyed at least, so you know,

1296
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,039
it was a upper tier for sure.

1297
01:05:47,239 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so like Eddie Edwards, like the trajectory of

1298
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,079
both of them since then has been pretty crazy considering

1299
01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:59,320
how the match went, Like since Eddie Edwards has like defeated, well,

1300
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:01,719
well he did, and I don't I mean anyway, he's

1301
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,760
he's been involved with like you know, cutting the few

1302
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,119
legs under from uh, you know, Ricky Sosa, Leon Slater continuously,

1303
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:12,239
whereas Moose has like gone down to hang out with

1304
01:06:13,519 --> 01:06:17,039
Aija and A. J. Francis. Yeah, it's just it's weird.

1305
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,079
There's weird stuff going on there when you could be

1306
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,719
using Moose, you know, at a higher level to at

1307
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,480
least be putting somebody over. But I mean, I would

1308
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:28,800
like for him to be involved with you. I don't

1309
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,079
know at this point. I actually on paper, like I said,

1310
01:06:32,159 --> 01:06:35,159
I I wouldn't have hated and A. J. Francis Moose

1311
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,760
feud in theory, but it just it's been it feels

1312
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,239
like comedy. Like I said, I don't know if it's

1313
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,119
a real feud anyway, and I don't, so it feels

1314
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:44,760
like it's gonna be one of those things that might

1315
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,760
last forever, that would be talking about in a month

1316
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,920
or two for no reason at all. Really.

1317
01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to be honest, you know, I like Moose

1318
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,199
and you could definitely play face. I always preferred him

1319
01:06:55,199 --> 01:06:57,199
as a heel. He just has the look about him

1320
01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:00,159
and then the toughness, and I just feel like he

1321
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:02,360
hits his stride and promo was a lot better when

1322
01:07:02,639 --> 01:07:04,679
he's in that heel type role. And I think there

1323
01:07:04,719 --> 01:07:06,639
are faces that can go opposite him too, right now,

1324
01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:08,960
I mean really use it like a Ricky Socid particular.

1325
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:12,840
So that's just my personal opinion, but I've always enjoyed

1326
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:14,719
Moose more in a heel type role. Even though he

1327
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,239
can be a face. It's not the worst thing in

1328
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,199
the world. But then you see what kind of happens,

1329
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:21,239
and it feels like inevitably he regresses for whatever reason.

1330
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,679
But I don't know if that's a creative decision or

1331
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,079
that's it's a personal decision, but I feel like he's

1332
01:07:27,079 --> 01:07:28,880
typically a higher place on the card when he's a heal.

1333
01:07:31,159 --> 01:07:36,079
Speaker 2: That's that's interesting. So you mentioned it earlier and I

1334
01:07:36,159 --> 01:07:39,079
actually just saw this today as well. Was the former

1335
01:07:39,159 --> 01:07:43,400
eleash of Fox, Victoria Crawford being released. You know, I

1336
01:07:43,719 --> 01:07:46,039
feel like when I first saw that, I did, I

1337
01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:48,760
realized that I hadn't seen her on TV since you know,

1338
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:54,960
well pretty much like right, well, I remember just you know,

1339
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:58,679
seeing the Diamond Collective like one or two times, but

1340
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,920
within the last couple maybe three months or so. But

1341
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,599
I feel like she would have been a good one

1342
01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:08,079
you could have put even if you knew she was leaving.

1343
01:08:08,199 --> 01:08:10,039
And I don't know if there's anything more to the

1344
01:08:10,119 --> 01:08:11,119
story or anything like that.

1345
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,199
Speaker 3: She requested her release, but they hadn't really been using

1346
01:08:14,239 --> 01:08:16,039
her much as well, And like you said, what's once

1347
01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:19,520
whence Tessa went and then Mila got moved to order

1348
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,880
for it, the writing was kind of feel like the

1349
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:23,640
writing was on the well for her regardless.

1350
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I could have at least seen

1351
01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:30,880
had her like be in the TV title tournament and

1352
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:32,800
just take it, you know, a clean loss on the

1353
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,680
way out, like I just I'm and you know, maybe

1354
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,319
they asked and she didn't want to. I don't know

1355
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:39,600
anything about it, but I just think that would have

1356
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,399
been a good way to use her, at least on

1357
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:42,760
the way out one time.

1358
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:46,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely agree. And the division is so shallow you

1359
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:47,640
can't tell me there isn't a place for her to

1360
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,840
at least be kind of like a coach type level

1361
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:51,640
person or like a player coach in the sense that

1362
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:53,840
you know, she's been in the business what like twenty

1363
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,840
years now. I feel field dated saying that, but I

1364
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,119
think that's that's true. So it's like there's certainly some

1365
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:02,239
value she could have added. And it's like, sure you

1366
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:04,840
could say people that they're releasing and going away, you

1367
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,800
know they weren't that critical. But it's like, when your

1368
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,359
divisions are as thin as they are, you need like

1369
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,159
hands too that can you know, take credible losses and

1370
01:09:12,199 --> 01:09:13,720
to get some of your other guys over, or can

1371
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,880
you know, you know, carry or at least hold their

1372
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,159
own end of the bargain in a match and not

1373
01:09:17,239 --> 01:09:19,800
be completely green. So you know, those things start adding

1374
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,800
up over time. So then even like you lost a

1375
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,359
veteran type in Victoria Crawford, and then the week before

1376
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:27,159
you lost center in Saints, who were younger guys with

1377
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:30,359
some up our potential. It's like that stuff starts adding

1378
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,760
up over time, little little cracks in the armor of

1379
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:34,600
death in your on your roster.

1380
01:09:36,199 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're cutting people that can actually afford to

1381
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:42,720
lose some and then so then you're actually beating the

1382
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,239
people who you need to maybe not be losing so

1383
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,560
much like like they did to last.

1384
01:09:48,359 --> 01:09:51,359
Speaker 3: Week, exactly messing up the tiers where you know, there

1385
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:53,680
needs to be multiple tiers in the company as far

1386
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,680
as you know kind of like lower to mid to

1387
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,960
upper mid to the main event. You know, at least

1388
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,560
have to have three to four levels to to your

1389
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,279
roster to have a successful roster in my so.

1390
01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 2: Hey, and and you know what, and if that's what

1391
01:10:06,039 --> 01:10:09,560
they're trying to do with Jason Hotch, ultimately, then you know,

1392
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,119
like that that's actually you know, a redeemable thing if

1393
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:15,560
we can look back, you know, and he's you know,

1394
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,640
not like a top guy or anything like that, but

1395
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,359
you know, they used him to kind of become like

1396
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:24,000
a guy who who had a little run to get

1397
01:10:24,119 --> 01:10:27,319
to the internet with the international title, but ultimately is

1398
01:10:27,359 --> 01:10:30,079
a guy that is around to lose to you know,

1399
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:35,880
other people. So that would be a nice thing. But yeah,

1400
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:37,680
they have been getting rid of a lot of those people,

1401
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:42,520
so you know, like like you said earlier that we

1402
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,479
thought there were, you know, going to be people showing

1403
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,800
up and and maybe that is going to be possible.

1404
01:10:49,119 --> 01:10:51,680
I think this past week was the ninety days for

1405
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:56,439
all the those those cuts from w W, so it

1406
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,479
is possible that that we see some of that action

1407
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,479
coming soon. I have there's no like big rumors that

1408
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,560
I saw in the last day or two as far

1409
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,840
as that, but yeah, there has been a lot of

1410
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:13,039
news as far as Sammy Guivara and Time Mellow, and

1411
01:11:13,159 --> 01:11:16,279
we kind of briefly discussed like the potential of them

1412
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:20,039
going to TNA if there's not so much beef there

1413
01:11:20,119 --> 01:11:22,560
that that's not possible. I don't know. But what are

1414
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,720
your thoughts on on the kind of the controversy I

1415
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:30,159
guess we'll say, or just the stories lately about Govar

1416
01:11:30,279 --> 01:11:33,479
And I think Time Mellow was actually granted her right exctly, right. Yeah.

1417
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:36,119
Speaker 3: I think Tony concept the press conference for Redemption that

1418
01:11:36,199 --> 01:11:38,279
he was going to grant her her release, so I

1419
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,399
know that's officially yet, but he's at least saying he's

1420
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:44,880
going to publicly. So yeah, and yeah, the thing was Sammy.

1421
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,439
I imagine, you know, Sammy would be shortly to follow

1422
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,119
because obviously they're married and have a child together. Well,

1423
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:51,680
I don't know, because she says she wants to step

1424
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,479
away from wrestling, so I don't know if that's separate

1425
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,920
from Sammy, But there's been rumors that Sammy, you know,

1426
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,000
he changes his bio with how aw It and it's like,

1427
01:11:58,560 --> 01:11:59,800
you know, the ring's on the wall with him to

1428
01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:02,319
an extent as well, he's basically relegated to ro Oh

1429
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,079
for a good period of time. Now long way away

1430
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:08,439
from that, we're going to the original four pillars. And

1431
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,039
to be honest, I never really saw it with Sami's act.

1432
01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:14,039
It's always to me just been high spot, high spot,

1433
01:12:14,119 --> 01:12:17,880
high spot, with no thought behind what goes into anything

1434
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,239
in between or what character he's playing. It's always the same,

1435
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,039
the same move set, and he always comes across even

1436
01:12:25,079 --> 01:12:27,319
when he's a baby face is just a punch able,

1437
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,399
douchey face. I mean this way. I think a lot

1438
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,239
of people perceive him, whether that's fair or not, or

1439
01:12:31,319 --> 01:12:34,760
that's he's like in real life. It's also seemingly reportedly

1440
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,800
had a lot of backstage eidents over the years as well,

1441
01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:39,359
So you know, I think all those things add up.

1442
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,359
And yeah, I mean I don't really blame Tony for

1443
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,600
Tony kN for not using him too much, but I mean,

1444
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,560
if he wants out at this point, yeah, I guess

1445
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,720
I would probably just grant him that. You know, I

1446
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,840
don't even really see him fitting too well on WWE.

1447
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,520
I just don't think he has that much range, and

1448
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,640
it's not like he's super young at this point anymore either.

1449
01:12:54,319 --> 01:12:56,079
I think TNN might be the best fit for him

1450
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,960
in the sense that he could probably be definitely even

1451
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:02,640
at this point, at least a higher mid card even

1452
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,960
upper level guy, depending on what they want. So I

1453
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,960
would see TENA being a pretty good fit for Sammy

1454
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,520
Gubara and maybe even ty Mellow. She says she's gonna

1455
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,159
step away, so who knows, and she did just relatively

1456
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:14,760
recently become a mother, so I could see that being

1457
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,680
true as well. But that's just my my thoughts on

1458
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,960
the topic. I don't know what yours. Uh.

1459
01:13:21,119 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as far as Sammy Guvara, I mean,

1460
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,159
I think he's a pretty good like gum chewing heel,

1461
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:33,359
like you said, very punchable face. Never has worked as

1462
01:13:33,359 --> 01:13:36,439
a babyface at all and never and never really sell

1463
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,039
you know, he's not a good seller. So, I mean,

1464
01:13:40,079 --> 01:13:42,479
he's one of the best athletes I've I've ever seen

1465
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,439
in the ring, Like he's like Ricochet level can do things,

1466
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,640
and I'm like, whoa, But it's like he never wanted

1467
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,479
to put in. I mean, I've never done this, so

1468
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,079
I don't know, I've never done this, so I don't

1469
01:13:53,079 --> 01:13:55,000
know anything about it. But it just doesn't seem like

1470
01:13:55,039 --> 01:13:59,479
he put in enough to care about it enough to

1471
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,000
be that next level that he I think we might

1472
01:14:03,079 --> 01:14:05,319
have thought he could be. And again, I when I

1473
01:14:05,359 --> 01:14:07,880
saw him come out with the panda suit the first time,

1474
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:09,439
I was like, who the hell is this guy?

1475
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I think it was the first episode of

1476
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,359
Diamond with Cody, of the first episode of that first match,

1477
01:14:14,399 --> 01:14:16,079
and on History actually.

1478
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:20,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. So Yeah. I mean, he definitely

1479
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:22,880
was viewed at a high, high level at one point

1480
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,079
in time, but I can't tell you the last time

1481
01:14:25,119 --> 01:14:29,920
I saw him on actual aw TV, So he's obviously

1482
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,880
been in the doghouse as far as that goes, and

1483
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,840
as far as like keeping people on that want to go,

1484
01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:39,039
I would definitely just you know, I'd probably just cut

1485
01:14:39,159 --> 01:14:41,079
people that want to get out, that aren't willing to

1486
01:14:41,159 --> 01:14:43,279
do to do, they don't want to be there and

1487
01:14:43,359 --> 01:14:46,520
are constantly That's just not good for an environment. So

1488
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,239
especially if it's like, you know, a pretty lower level

1489
01:14:51,319 --> 01:14:54,600
guy at this point on your card, might as well

1490
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,840
just cut bait on that. And I do think that

1491
01:14:58,159 --> 01:15:02,039
there is some potential for both both of those people,

1492
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,520
Tie and Sammy and as they act together, but both

1493
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,279
in the knockouts and you know, in the probably the

1494
01:15:10,359 --> 01:15:16,199
world title picture, upper mid picture for Sammy. I definitely

1495
01:15:16,199 --> 01:15:17,720
think they could fit in TNAU.

1496
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,119
Speaker 3: And you know, both their acts are lacking something, so

1497
01:15:21,279 --> 01:15:23,439
maybe the recipe is bringing them together to make them

1498
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:27,079
the ultimate heel heal act. Maybe yeah, maybe they each

1499
01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:30,399
feel field gaps that clearly exist, you know, you know,

1500
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,199
between the other, so I could see that being I

1501
01:15:34,279 --> 01:15:38,119
thought they did that briefly at some point. Yeah, they did.

1502
01:15:38,199 --> 01:15:40,359
That's kind of what turned Sammy heels I think he

1503
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,560
was facing I don't fully remember. And then they involved

1504
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,439
it was with the feuding with the like the it

1505
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:52,119
was a American top team with what Dan Lambert. I

1506
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:54,880
think that's when they got involved together and that ultimately

1507
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,520
ended up turning Sammy heel too, I think.

1508
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 2: So yeah, that that well there, that shows you what

1509
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,920
happens when you try to, you know, push Sammy as

1510
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:06,880
a as a baby face.

1511
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,159
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, like you said, he's got the punishable

1512
01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:11,359
but like he never developed that like layers to even

1513
01:16:11,399 --> 01:16:14,000
his heel character. It's always just that chewing gum punchable guy,

1514
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:16,119
which even that has his limits.

1515
01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:20,039
Speaker 2: So yeah, the Spanish god man.

1516
01:16:20,079 --> 01:16:22,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is what what we say? What what is?

1517
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,399
What is Seth freakin Rollins? What is Spanish god? Sammi Gubara?

1518
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 2: So he doesn't even speak Spanish, yes.

1519
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 3: Exactly Spanish, you know by by dash Elli or blood,

1520
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:37,000
but he's yeah, he doesn't speak fluid Spanish. Hey me,

1521
01:16:37,119 --> 01:16:38,520
Page speaks better Spanish than he does.

1522
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 2: So indeed, indeed, you.

1523
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,680
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Speaker 2: Well, did you have any other notes on impact or

1539
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:32,479
just in general?

1540
01:17:33,039 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 3: Just one note on impact? I think I sent a

1541
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:36,880
text to you as well, but I think it was

1542
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,800
last week or the week before I came. Remember it

1543
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:40,479
was a fifteen ten verse three of the Young Bucks

1544
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:45,039
questing their release from TNA. So I just want to

1545
01:17:45,079 --> 01:17:47,319
talk about, you know, the historic significance of that and

1546
01:17:47,399 --> 01:17:50,960
kind of somebody what IF's regarding that, you know, because

1547
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,199
obviously the Bucks have gone on and you know, built

1548
01:17:53,239 --> 01:17:55,880
out very strong, would probably arguably one of the strongest

1549
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:59,680
indie careers ever in professional wrestling, and then ultimately obviously

1550
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:03,439
they're part of the ground squell for what ultimately became

1551
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:05,880
AW as well. So they went on to have you know,

1552
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:07,800
still very much active as well. They're going to face

1553
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,960
cop and Cage at all in for the aw TAG titles.

1554
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,560
It looks like as of yesterday after the show, so obviously,

1555
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:17,239
you know, they're still very much active and they've had

1556
01:18:17,399 --> 01:18:20,279
quite the career sense since TNA. But yeah, it's like,

1557
01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:23,000
you know, you look at TNA's Tag division now and

1558
01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:25,760
you know what it once was and maybe what it

1559
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:27,359
could have been if they had invested more at the

1560
01:18:27,399 --> 01:18:29,359
time instead of going with you know, a lot of

1561
01:18:29,399 --> 01:18:30,960
the big names. So I don't know if you had

1562
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:32,079
any thoughts about that.

1563
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 2: I actually thought it was interesting just in general. Well

1564
01:18:39,039 --> 01:18:40,960
I had a couple of thoughts on it, but in generally,

1565
01:18:41,079 --> 01:18:42,920
I actually thought it was interesting that they put this

1566
01:18:43,079 --> 01:18:46,520
out there at all. And I just I actually wanted

1567
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,800
to ask you what you thought about them saying this

1568
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:53,239
right now, Like what is do you think if there's

1569
01:18:53,279 --> 01:18:56,000
something more to the story why they would actually put

1570
01:18:56,079 --> 01:18:57,399
this out out there right now?

1571
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's more about them kind of reminiscing

1572
01:19:00,119 --> 01:19:01,760
about their career to this point, and you know how

1573
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,680
they got there and how they kind of mentioned two

1574
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,640
where they kind of bet on themselves and obviously it

1575
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,399
ultimately ended up working out, and I think they take

1576
01:19:07,399 --> 01:19:09,079
a lot of pride in that. So I don't even

1577
01:19:09,119 --> 01:19:11,319
necessarily think it's necessarily a slight at TNA at this point.

1578
01:19:11,359 --> 01:19:13,479
I think they're kind of well past that. But I

1579
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,640
think it's then self reflecting looking back at their entire

1580
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,560
careers and saying, you know, we did it, and you

1581
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,600
know we better ourselves. You know we you know, we

1582
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,159
thought we could make it work. We didn't when we

1583
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,079
were proud of that. So I think it's more properly

1584
01:19:26,119 --> 01:19:27,640
a pride in themselves that it is, you know, a

1585
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,000
slight at TNA. But then it also you know, when

1586
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,560
we see it as people fans watching from the outside,

1587
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,439
you know, it makes us consider, you know, what could

1588
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:37,319
T and A have been Otherwise, what would they have

1589
01:19:37,399 --> 01:19:39,079
been if they decided to go to the TNA path.

1590
01:19:39,119 --> 01:19:40,800
Would they ended up in w W at some point

1591
01:19:41,359 --> 01:19:43,159
possib belief they would have waited a little bit longer.

1592
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,479
Could they have gotten to that pick up a point

1593
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:46,960
in TNA where they just not have the create of

1594
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,439
support that was necessary. So those are all things that, Yeah,

1595
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:51,640
I'm just evaluating it as a fan thinking of three

1596
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,479
hundred and sixty degree degree view of the situation.

1597
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say this, that's the that's definitely the

1598
01:19:59,159 --> 01:20:03,119
first time I saw young Bucks has generation me. They

1599
01:20:03,159 --> 01:20:07,359
were detestable heels. Uh so actually, and they were and

1600
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,720
they were interesting. I definitely remember them. They always stood out.

1601
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,399
I can't say they ever looked particularly happy when when

1602
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,760
they were in TNA, like from what I recall, So

1603
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,199
that makes sense that they would feel this way maybe

1604
01:20:22,279 --> 01:20:25,640
perhaps kind of misused or not used enough or believed

1605
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:29,479
in and that does suck. I mean that just like

1606
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,600
thinking of all the other teams that kind of are

1607
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:37,039
synonymous with TNA, they kind of left before becoming truly

1608
01:20:37,119 --> 01:20:40,640
synonymous with TNA when they've become, you know, arguably one

1609
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,880
of the greatest tag teams of all time since So yeah,

1610
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,279
it is. It is really interesting their story and and

1611
01:20:47,399 --> 01:20:51,800
they're kind of their their role in the TNA in

1612
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:52,680
DNA history.

1613
01:20:53,319 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd be a good plaint you know. It definitely

1614
01:20:56,039 --> 01:20:58,199
at times looked you know, pretty depressed in TNA, and

1615
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,119
there's been times where they've had that kind of you know,

1616
01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:02,760
uninspired looking aw over the year, particularly around the Sampook

1617
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,439
situation as well, if I recall correctly, So you can

1618
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,479
tell when they're invested when they're not, they definitely wear

1619
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:08,520
that in their sleeves for sure.

1620
01:21:10,319 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. My favorite Bucks eras when they were

1621
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,520
heels and Nick Jackson would change his facial hair every week.

1622
01:21:18,279 --> 01:21:22,159
I just thought that was truly amazing stuff. And I

1623
01:21:22,199 --> 01:21:25,920
felt like that was when they were the most motivated

1624
01:21:26,119 --> 01:21:29,119
to just kind of like actually get heat and stuff.

1625
01:21:29,159 --> 01:21:31,560
And I think that might have been around the Kenny

1626
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,479
title reign, the first title rain if I'm at the

1627
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,960
memory service, but yeah, yeah, like.

1628
01:21:40,079 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 3: Go ahead.

1629
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1630
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 3: I even thought last year when they kind of did

1631
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,039
the Broke Bucks thing when they lost three BP titles.

1632
01:21:45,079 --> 01:21:47,439
After all, in last year, at least they really bought

1633
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,199
they really bought into those characters. It seemed like they

1634
01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:50,920
were having fun. I know that those are like the

1635
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,000
kind of that kind of character isn't for everyone, but

1636
01:21:53,039 --> 01:21:55,199
at least they were really invested, it felt like that point.

1637
01:21:55,319 --> 01:21:57,159
So that was another moment kind of similar to the

1638
01:21:57,239 --> 01:21:59,359
Kenny title era first as well.

1639
01:22:01,159 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 2: No, honestly, that got me more into the Bucks than

1640
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,560
I've been in a long time. That might be kind

1641
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,239
of like out of the CM punk stuff I was,

1642
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,359
you know, I was kind of just down on everybody

1643
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,880
out of the whole situation. I was just like guys,

1644
01:22:14,079 --> 01:22:19,039
I mean, just everybody. So yeah, I mean I definitely

1645
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:24,880
higher on the Bucks lately. Now they're back as babyfaces,

1646
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,800
you know, and I prefer Bucks as heels personally. I

1647
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,880
just think they're a little more fun that way. But yeah,

1648
01:22:32,079 --> 01:22:34,319
and you know, I feel like here they're gonna be

1649
01:22:34,359 --> 01:22:37,680
feuding now, it's gonna be like I'm like, I kind

1650
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:39,880
of feel like we're about to get Elite Elite versus

1651
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:44,399
Death Riders. If that hasn't already happened before, I can't

1652
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,479
remember and at this point, but I don't think that's

1653
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:47,279
truly happened.

1654
01:22:47,319 --> 01:22:49,039
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's full weight been a feud.

1655
01:22:49,119 --> 01:22:52,039
Maybe they've crossed paths and the tagish matches here and there,

1656
01:22:52,199 --> 01:22:53,720
but I don't think it's ever been a full blown

1657
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:54,399
fewd this point.

1658
01:22:54,600 --> 01:23:01,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, Okay, Well, last thoughts on Young Bucks. You said,

1659
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,319
and this is kind of like bleeding into some aw

1660
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,279
talk obviously, but you said that they are going to

1661
01:23:07,319 --> 01:23:11,000
be in a match against Cope and Age at Swimbley.

1662
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,720
Do you think they're sticking with just two teams in there?

1663
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,039
Do you think we're going to get some more developments

1664
01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:19,960
and yeah, perhaps get some more teams in there.

1665
01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:22,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, coping cage that I used to coping edge buttend.

1666
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,520
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but yeah, yeah, so I was

1667
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,359
kind of I could see it going either way. I

1668
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,439
definitely understand why need to do the one on one

1669
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,760
matchup type thing, but I also think it's such a

1670
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,000
rare circumstance where you can have this volume of like

1671
01:23:36,079 --> 01:23:38,880
potentially Hall of Fame level or legendary tag teams kind

1672
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,800
of in one company at the same time being able

1673
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,239
to wrestle. I feel like that the opportunity is a

1674
01:23:43,239 --> 01:23:45,520
hard one to pass up. So I could see really

1675
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,479
going either way. So maybe they do this, but then

1676
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,720
maybe they do like a I don't know, like a

1677
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,039
New Day FTR match as well, or something like I

1678
01:23:52,119 --> 01:23:53,800
can't imagine not having a New Day in the card

1679
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,800
in some capacity, or they just do like a multiman

1680
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,920
ladder match without having the other two teams and then

1681
01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:02,840
that ultimately would decide to will face the champion going

1682
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,520
to the next pay per view. I could see that

1683
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:05,319
happening as well.

1684
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:10,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, just a little bit of I think I

1685
01:24:10,319 --> 01:24:15,319
do have a lot several aw redemption thoughts to get

1686
01:24:15,359 --> 01:24:16,560
your thoughts on as well.

1687
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:16,520
Speaker 3: But.

1688
01:24:18,199 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 2: I thought that somebody was debuting. They even felt like

1689
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,439
they were kind of lingering, like on the back screen

1690
01:24:25,239 --> 01:24:30,920
a little bit after the tag match where Coping Christian defended.

1691
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:35,880
I just I felt like they were lingering there. But yeah, anyway,

1692
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:36,840
it didn't happen.

1693
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,359
Speaker 3: I also think the MotorCity Machine Guns will debut this

1694
01:24:39,399 --> 01:24:41,439
Wednesday in Detroit and actually might go to that show.

1695
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,119
Speaker 2: That was what I was going to ask you. I

1696
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,199
saw that that's happening. Are you going?

1697
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's going to be a game to

1698
01:24:48,279 --> 01:24:49,920
decision because I do have some stuff going on, but

1699
01:24:50,039 --> 01:24:51,880
usually it doesn't matter anyway. You can just find tickets

1700
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,079
day up, so I'll make the decision at that point.

1701
01:24:54,119 --> 01:24:57,199
If I do go, i'll call it a wage shows. Well, yes,

1702
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,560
but I know Greg Kanner from the Aulide After Show

1703
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,600
is going to be there for sure. You mentioned on

1704
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,000
the show that he's going, so I think he's calling

1705
01:25:04,039 --> 01:25:07,960
the Wait show as well. So next week.

1706
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, two on site correspondence is better than one.

1707
01:25:11,319 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 3: Baby, let's go exactly.

1708
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:15,159
Speaker 2: So that's that is so high.

1709
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:17,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be really cool if if they debuted, though,

1710
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:19,199
because at least that equol story to tell.

1711
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 2: So absolutely, Yeah, well JB, I think I think that

1712
01:25:25,039 --> 01:25:26,920
about doing for the for the free portion.

1713
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 3: It's pretty quick. But just once again, the worst segment

1714
01:25:31,039 --> 01:25:33,039
of the week is the Mister Elegance with the Michael

1715
01:25:33,119 --> 01:25:37,319
Jackson glove defeating bead. Why why is he defeating bad

1716
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,319
Why is he wearing a solo Michael Jackson glove. I

1717
01:25:40,359 --> 01:25:42,840
think I said my Missus, I don't believe any more

1718
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:44,239
needs to be said. I just put the title.

1719
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 4: That was it.

1720
01:25:46,199 --> 01:25:48,199
Speaker 3: It was just under missus and they gave the title

1721
01:25:48,319 --> 01:25:50,760
that's that should be enough context understand why it's so stupid.

1722
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:52,800
But it's like I thought we were getting away from this,

1723
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:54,960
but nope, we still find time to waste on a

1724
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,720
weekday basis with the Elegance brand.

1725
01:25:57,079 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: So you know, I actually I and I just skipped

1726
01:26:00,079 --> 01:26:04,840
over it right before I went went in about Victoria Crawford.

1727
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,680
I actually did have a note in the notes. It

1728
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,439
says returning to the Mister Elegance push for some reason

1729
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:14,159
and they beat b D to him like I and

1730
01:26:14,279 --> 01:26:17,840
so yeah, I definitely took note of that. And I

1731
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,079
didn't know what the gloves were about. I was like,

1732
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:24,479
so they're adding layers to mister Elegance by adding gloves.

1733
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:28,960
I mean, now we've got the personal concierge acting blind.

1734
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 3: I don't get it. So it's like what we talked

1735
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:33,840
about with with DDP back in the day, where the

1736
01:26:34,079 --> 01:26:35,800
hat on a hat on a hat his gimmick was

1737
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:37,600
like just having three different things but none of it

1738
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,479
was connected or made sense. That's what it feels like

1739
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:40,760
with the Elegance brand right now.

1740
01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you said, it kind of felt like

1741
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:46,279
they were getting away from it and maybe kind of

1742
01:26:46,359 --> 01:26:49,239
like reading the room a little bit, but uh oh,

1743
01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:52,039
here we were just oiled up as ever and and

1744
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:56,039
and ready to go and beating people that, like the

1745
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:59,640
fans are into your fans are like you're you're you're

1746
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:04,319
taking like each of your stars, Leon Slater, Ricky Sosa, Bde,

1747
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,039
Casey Navarro, all the young guys you've got and the

1748
01:27:08,119 --> 01:27:12,039
case Navarro defeat. That's one that makes sense and that

1749
01:27:12,199 --> 01:27:15,199
I can get behind. But the rest of them, uh,

1750
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,479
just beating them and that every time they come out.

1751
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:20,720
They're the ones that are the most over on your shows,

1752
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:25,199
especially the last two months, and they just keep losing

1753
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:28,439
over and over and over again to like mister Elegance

1754
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:32,199
and the system who are just like like you said,

1755
01:27:32,239 --> 01:27:33,199
spinning their wheels.

1756
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,159
Speaker 3: Mister Elegance just gets some wins. It's like why so

1757
01:27:36,319 --> 01:27:38,439
like we talked about Lee back in the day, even

1758
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:40,640
back then, in the following week he beats someone that

1759
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:42,960
was like somewhat credible as well. It's like, why Elijah,

1760
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,399
which is whatever I have that important? But even still honestly,

1761
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:48,239
like we said, it's important to have tears. What do

1762
01:27:48,279 --> 01:27:51,079
you guys like Elijah losing to jokes like mister Elegance,

1763
01:27:51,119 --> 01:27:53,119
I mean he could be credible, but he's just in

1764
01:27:53,239 --> 01:27:55,920
a stupid weirdo faction. So no one's gonna everyone look

1765
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,520
at that be like well this is dumb? Or would

1766
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,800
I think anyone loses this guy? Seriously? And you do

1767
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:02,720
it multiple important people, like your tears are all out

1768
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,560
of whack, and then there's no structure to actually build

1769
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,279
people that are credible for the title at that point.

1770
01:28:08,399 --> 01:28:10,600
So it just foggles my mind. But you know what

1771
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:10,960
have you?

1772
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 2: Mister Elegance is the tear buster exactly.

1773
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 3: It's like, let's I don't get the fascination with the guy.

1774
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,439
I mean, whatever, he could be okay, sure, just get

1775
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,239
him on this weird gamick and have him like lower

1776
01:28:22,319 --> 01:28:23,479
mint card. That's fine. Whatever.

1777
01:28:24,319 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I probably would be putting

1778
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:32,319
BD over mister Elegance right now. I mean, I don't know,

1779
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:34,319
I don't I mean, I'm not like one hundred percent

1780
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:37,039
sold on BD. I still got to see somewhere about him.

1781
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:41,319
He has a following, and he is, you know, popular,

1782
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,000
and he's pretty good, so he's.

1783
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 3: Got more credibility than I mean I say, I'm like

1784
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:46,960
I said, I'm not sold on him, but I think

1785
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,760
he has more potential than mister Elegance.

1786
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 2: So for sure. Yeah, all right, Well, JB, do you

1787
01:28:53,079 --> 01:28:54,520
think that will wrap up the free portion?

1788
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely think we hit all the the main stuff.

1789
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,560
So another good week. You know, things are shaping up

1790
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,960
for Lockdown and we'll we're on the road there. Obviously,

1791
01:29:03,039 --> 01:29:05,560
ultimately we get to the bigger shows of the year.

1792
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:10,319
Speaker 2: So heck yeah. Well, we'd like to thank all the

1793
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:14,479
free free listeners for tuning in. We'll hope you'll check

1794
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,880
out JB's hit some Misses for TNA and the TNA

1795
01:29:18,079 --> 01:29:23,760
Impact Future Tracker by me and JB. He did the

1796
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,520
primer for Redemption, so if you haven't done that you

1797
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,520
need to check that out if you haven't gotten into

1798
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:34,800
all their redemption coverage that's gone down this week. But yeah,

1799
01:29:35,079 --> 01:29:37,560
we hope you have a good week and tune in

1800
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:38,039
next week.

1801
01:29:38,119 --> 01:29:40,279
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