Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I Am Dana Valley coming at
you with the certify fantabulous, mister Grant Hughes. The trade
deadline primers keep rolling and getting ruined, and so we
are here to remedy rectify two of them. Jimmy Butler
got injured for the Warriors after we recorded our trade
deadline primer, and then Joannas got injured after and it
was he said he was gonna miss four to six
weeks after that podcast for the Bucks was already like
the day the night of. I had just scheduled to
edit it. It came out a lot of the stuff
that Brian to Pork and I talked about. Still we
talk about Johanna's future, so all that stuff still pertains.
But we're gonna provides some updated looks at these two teams,
and then from the national perspective, it'll be stat padding
everyone's favorite segment Stack Pat Stappen. This is also the
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the podcast and YouTube description. Grant, how are you? How
are your calves? How's your ACLA? I?
Speaker 2: You know I asked to stay in the game after
I move my calf out, and unlike Doc Rivers, you said, okay,
let's go, you can, you can stay in there. So
I'm here to pod the honest thing. The honest thing
is like what you joke about when you finish recording.
You're like, okay, yeah, now watch Giannis blow out his
calf right, and they're like ha ha, And then there
it went.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why you never we're not laughing at the
honest injuries.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, this like of course that The only the
only thing that could erect it more is if he'd
just actually gotten traded, which maybe we'll talk about how
that affects the likelihood of that potentially.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to get your thoughts because a lot of
people now think it's more likely, which is curious to me.
But I think we're going to begin with the Golden
State Warriors, and I'll give a brief refresher on their
their trade deadline vitals. They are two hundred and sixty
five thousand dollars beneath the second apron, which they are
hard capped at nineteen point two million dollars into the attacks.
They cannot take back more money than they receive. They
can trade first round picks twenty six, twenty twenty eight,
and twenty thirty two outright. They can trade twenty and
thirty as long as it's protected for the bottom ten picks,
so it's effectively more valuable the way they could trade it.
No second round picks to trade, notable trade exceptions. That's sweet,
sweet Kyle Anderson deal. They still have that eight point
eight million dollars burning a hole in their pocket. But
the topic dujore grant, how does their trade deadline approach.
We're gonna get into some bigger picture stuff, but the
Jimmy Butler injury is catastrophic. The Warriors were rolling at
that point. I had at least started to wonder. We
talked a lot about how good does the player they
need to acquire have to be for them to be contenders.
I had started bandying about the idea in my head
that oh, like, oh, maybe like a role player or
two like this could work out. But what happens now?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately for uh, I don't know. Hot takiness. I think
not at all. Not much changes. Part of that is
because I was less convinced than maybe you sound like
you were that the recent the run of play they
were on just leading up to Butler's injury indicated some
higher ceiling. Like that didn't really change my opinion. And
then we talked about the Knicks on another episode recently,
and you, I think correctly said, like they just don't
have it. That was my sense of the Warriors from
fairly early this season, is like, it's just they're not
athletic enough, they're too old, they just don't have enough
shot creation, on and on and on, and the level
of player I thought that they might be able to
get using Jonathan Kaminga just wasn't going to be good
enough to change to put them in a different tier
of team, which is to say, like I don't know,
guaranteed top six, let alone top four in the conference.
I just didn't think that that was gonna happen. It
sounds like they are not willing to trade Butler in
a in a bigger deal now that he's kind of just,
you know, a super sized version of what the Anthony
Melton was last year when he tore his ACL and
they traded him. That doesn't seem like something they're going
to do. And so I don't and so the trade
ship is still KAMINGA and the uncertainty is still COMINGA
who also, by the way, is now hurt. That's kind
of lower down the list, but that's also relevant. He's
got a knee and an ankle, and it's just like
I would be shocked if he played again before the deadline.
So that's not that different because he will continue to
not play after playing, scoring effectively in like thirty minutes
across two games. So it doesn't I don't know what
what do you do? It sounds like you think or
more open to the idea that Butler's injury will change
their behavior. I don't know that it does to me,
because the options are kind of what they were. Maybe
the payoff is less because now you're saying we're not
we're not adding this player to Butler, where it's like
replacing Butler.
Speaker 1: I so I guess I'm coming at it from I
think it's I guess I was more open minded about
that making a bigger swinging beforehand, and the starter change
will be well, they're definitely because you can't justify doing
that now, Well, if.
Speaker 2: You were willing to trade Butler, you could, That's that
would be the way to do it if you've used
Butler's giant salary, which just fifty four with fifty just
under fifty seven million next year, and you attach those
three picks and maybe you're in the sweepstakes for whoever
the biggest name is that's available.
Speaker 1: So you don't think you don't because you said that
they're not planning on you, which I get, like using Butler,
but we don't. How when does he come back next year?
Is he back by Christmas?
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that's the right call because I
think I think what you're alluding to is something I
agree with is like he's thirty six now, Like, so
you're going to go a year, he'll be thirty seven,
and he's coming off in acl and you got him
for half of next year maybe.
Speaker 1: And what's the strain you're putting on Steph in the
meantime to stay relevant?
Speaker 2: So to me, I would be very open to trading
him because I don't think you're getting anything close to
even this year's version of Jimmy Butler back, Like who's
been good? I think I think his impact has been overstated,
Like I think he's been like sub all star. I
think he's been a sub All Star this year he's been.
He was way better right at leading up to getting hurt.
There were stretches this year where sometimes he's I think
he's a really good player, but it's just I don't
want to overstate it. The point is the guy you
get back next year if you hold on to him,
which it sounds like they're gonna do, is just like,
how can you possibly count on that player being good
enough to be a number two on whatever kind of
contender you want to be. It's just like he wasn't
this year.
Speaker 1: Do you also think, though, that could part of the
calculus be his salary is more valuable over the offseason?
What it is expiring when teams have more flexible because
right now it's if you move Jimmy Butler, well, I
like what we're talking about a Yiannist deal, who's also
he's injured right now?
Speaker 2: Or is it?
Speaker 1: Lebron decides that hey, Genie hates me and resents the
fact that I save the franchise and he wants to
come to Golden State, and so by that point the
Lakers are saying, well, yeah, we don't need cap space
this summer. We'll either evaluate Jimmy Butler leading into free
agency and we'll prioritize twenty twenty seven flexibility. So I
just don't. It's also like, what is the deal, Like,
it's just the thing Jimmy Butler for Anthony Davis is
just I don't get that. Not that I don't get
it at all, but it's all right. Cool, So we're
gonna trade Jimmy Butler might not play again until next Christmas,
so we'll just get the like person under contract for
longer who also might not play again until.
Speaker 2: Next christ Honestly, did you mentioned it I would trade
Butler for Anthony Davis because I just don't. I don't think.
I don't think you're re signing Jimmy Butler after next year, right,
like he's you want him for age thirty eight and
thirty nine at the numbers he's gonna like they.
Speaker 1: Got out in door for at the age of thirty nine.
Speaker 2: It's gone great. But they they're not gonna do. All
the messaging has been they're not going to trade Jimmy
Butler because they think that the when he's back next year,
that's they they I don't know, maybe that is just
posturing and they will trade him over the offseason. You
may be right that. It's like, however, sincere or insincere
they are about Butler next year, the fact is he
will be easier to trade over the summer than he
is right now. And that's why you're you're you're you're
projecting that you will not do that because maybe that
ups his value. I don't know. There's no upside to
being like, yeah, we're open on Jimmy Butler offers what
do you got? You know, like that that doesn't serve anybody,
So that could be the fact. I just don't It
doesn't sound like they're gonna trade him, and maybe that's
there's no like actual belief in him attached to that.
It's just why would we do that now? That's stupid, No,
like there's no value in it.
Speaker 1: And also on the off chance if he comes back
next year and is the same player, that's a pretty
big mid season addition if you don't make any other
major changes, I suppose. But yeah, well then this I
think leads into what happens with Jonathan Kaminga now not
only factoring in Jimmy Butler's injury, but Kaminga's own injury,
and it's does the does is he more important to
them post Butler injury or to you. Does this just
not change at all?
Speaker 2: I don't think it changes. I think if there's any change,
it's that the league saw. I may be getting it
wrong by a little bit, but basically thirty minutes over
a couple of games where Kaminga got back into the
rotation and scored like twenty nine or thirty points on
good efficiency and flashed like some of the better quick,
quick decision making. Uh, you know, did some of the
stuff that they that everybody did at the beginning of
the season. Remember what everyone wants him to do all
the time, he keep them. He gets you. That's how
he gets you, Dan, don't fall back.
Speaker 1: That was honestly, that was the first time he got me.
I don't know if I was recording with you or
with someone else I said. I was like, no, I
could see them actively wanting to keep it. He got me,
He's gonna he's gonna.
Speaker 2: Get you'll it's it's a win. He's always gonna get
you at some point. That's that is the thing with him.
If there's a team out there that saw that and
is like, you know, that ankle and knee thing that
he had it's that's like a week long thing, that's
not a big issue. Yeah, let's let's do it. That
would change it because right now, all you've heard is
that there's just like there's not a great positive value
offer out there for him.
Speaker 1: Well what am I done? You say? Would you care
to quote?
Speaker 2: Like it's like, I'm aware of the demand. I'm I'm
aware of that, but there has to be demand, which
is just like pretty spectacular. So as far as the
warrior side of it, there's no that thirty minutes of
effective scoring it like that means nothing to them because
they've seen every fifty. They've seen fifty of those over
over his career, and it's.
Speaker 1: Just think Joe Lacub got a bottle of lotion and
some clean accent.
Speaker 2: The thing is Joe Lacob. This is how you know
it's over. Is all the reporting is that Joe Lacob
is kind of out too now, like even he took him,
even he is like, all right, guys, get you know what,
Steve everyone else you're right, you're right. You may not
have it. So I don't think I don't think his
play encouraged the warriors that like, oh maybe you know what,
maybe next year, like we've got that team option, maybe
we'll keep him and he'll do that, you know, for
the first thirty games and next season because because you're
just until all you're doing is say, right, see, it
seems ridiculous because it's like, that's what we that's what
they thought coming into this year. They went through this
whole stalemate. They're like, we're gonna play him. He's gonna
you know, he's gonna be an entrenched starter and it'll
up his value. It's a win win, it'll up his value,
or he'll play great and make us good. And nothing
of the sort happened. And to go into next year
thinking that the same thing is on the table is
like it is the definition of insanity, right, You're it's
the same situation because he is effectively an expiring contract
now because of the team option, same situation next year.
What he'll only be madder because he's still there. Everything
you read is that he's he's like he's still the
Uh well, Anthony Slater, I think it's like, was it
antagon antagonism or I can't figure, I can't remember the word,
but it's animosity. I think maybe it was towards the
team persists, So it's just like it's untenable. He cannot
be on the team next year, so you either trade
him for the just terrible return you were going to
or you let him walk. Like that's you know, I
don't think anything, very very long answer, because you've gotten
me animated about the Warriors. I don't think this changes anything.
I really, I really neither injury. I don't think it
moves the needle.
Speaker 1: So but then what do they what do they do
at the dead line? Like is this do they sell?
Like is it is it Jonathan? Like if we get
seconds for Jonathan kamaning, but we're not trying to get
a player that helps us anymore, are they? Are you
still obligated to buy? Because with Stephen Draymond it's.
Speaker 2: You You've got the perfect cover to not buy in
the Butler injury, because I think you've some of the
comments from Steph of just like you know, as long
as I'm out there, I'll believe we can compete. And
but but with wrapped around that is like just despair,
you know, like everybody understands what the loss of Butler
means to this team. So I do think you have
cover to say Steph like, yeah, we want to you know,
do right by you or whatever whatever other buzzwords you
want to use. But it's like even you have got
to understand, like we can't replace this guy, and and
like we weren't even that good with him, you know,
like in a contending sense. You know they were going
to be win forty something games, but like you can't
justify another go for it type of move even if
you could execute on which I don't think I don't
think you can. You know, does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Like I know I'm with you there, but it does
kind of throw Well, I'm trying to think of what
cause you said, But you would still make a Jimmy
Butler ra Anthony Davis trade this season.
Speaker 2: Then, just because I think you're getting nothing from Butler going.
Speaker 1: Forward, probably because he's not playing.
Speaker 2: Right and when he comes back like Davis, here's the trader.
Speaker 1: Here's the trade. It's Jimmy Butler and Al Horford for
Karl Anthony Towns. We just did the Knicks recording, so
we yet spoilers. Now people are.
Speaker 2: Spoiler We're gonna talk about how Cat's untradable. Uh let's see. No,
I don't. I'm not. I don't want I don't want
those U.
Speaker 1: Extra year of a player who's actually going to be
on the court this season and next season. You are?
You are Mike Brown pilled. He has polluted your thoughts. Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't like the Cat and Draymond actually on the court.
The Cat Draymond pairing kind of makes sense, But they
would I was gonna say they would kill each other,
one one would kill the other.
Speaker 1: Or Draymond on the same team, or Dylan Brooks and
Lebron on the same team. What would you rather say?
I think Cat and yeah Sam, I mean it's Draymond.
So he did have to either.
Speaker 2: I mean he punched the dude like that.
Speaker 1: He liked at Brooks called Lebron of bear once or
something the same Dylan Brooks pokes poke wear sunglasses inside.
Speaker 2: Don't support it. We know of clear stance on that.
I've been very consistent.
Speaker 1: Then I have to ask this question, is it just
over like? Is this we gueld this is the era over?
This was just sort of a new eraror with Jimmy Butler,
But there was still the I don't know, was it
was it Fae Hope? Was it the illusion of hope,
but this team felt like it still could have done
something and the assets haven't changed, And you could look
at it and say, well, if they were gonna go
after Giannis again, who's hurt as we're recording this, they
might have always they were going to need to give
up Jimmy Butler anyway, So what does this actually change?
But doesn't this sort of just feel to me like
the nail in the coffin of their never Jimmy Butler
Nas gave them lightning in a Bottle potential of not
similar to what they did with that twenty twenty two title,
but it was lightning like could they win a playoff series?
Could they win to like could.
Speaker 2: They make it?
Speaker 1: That is that's effectively just gone and with it, it's
how can you envision them even getting back to Lightning
in a Bottle potential next season?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know you want to resist the this
thing is over talk because it won, because it's it's
just easy to say that.
Speaker 1: I guess like that, do you know how long I
had to think about that? Take for it? No?
Speaker 2: I get it? Like the question maybe the counter question
is like how long did you want this to go?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: How long did you expect this to last because I
think everybody thought the twenty twenty two title was sort
of the most improbable one, and it's like, man, I
can't believe they got that one. And then they were
pretty good. You know, they want a playoff series, right,
that was the King Series that they won. The following year,
they won a playoff series last year.
Speaker 1: Jim Butler for Domntes the bonus.
Speaker 2: You can't overstate the King's preference for former Warrior assets.
So possible. Yeah, I mean, realistically, like coming into this year,
wasn't the take that this team has like it's got
the puncher's chance, it's they the highest level they can
play out. I think I made this case the highest
level they can play at is going to be competitive
with everybody. It's just not realistic to believe a team
whose core is this old can hit that level often
enough or sustain it through June such that they could
really contend. So I think in some ways the is
it over is just like a little degradation of like, yeah,
it was over as a title contender before the season started,
like serious title contender that that that was not on
that wasn't realistic to begin with, and now it's just
like I don't think they can win a playoff series?
How different is that really from from there?
Speaker 1: That's a big difference because it's now it's I think
it's the difference between they were had the ability to
be relevant and aren't they verging on irrelevant?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: What are like? What are Steph is incredible?
Speaker 2: But it's a go ahead.
Speaker 1: I'm saying Steph is incredible, but like without Jimmy Butler
that I'm assuming the non Steph minutes are gonna be
an absolute like a muck bang of shittiness. Is what
that's gonna be? Like?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: And so and then so now you're gonna either have
to rely on step but also your offense feels I've won.
Your defense changes because you have okay, you still have
the Anthey, Melton, you now have to ask yourself if
you wanted to make a bigger move. Jonathan Kaminga and
Moses Moody are now your only I know Will Richard
is there, but like, can we afford to give up
a wing? So it's the how is this team? What's
the path? I don't mean to say that Johnathan Minga
is a factor in driving them continuing to be good
and I'm not. And I'm also not saying they're about
to be the Kings, but they have no chance of
doing anything even semi relevant at this point. They might
still make the play in and just be okay, cool,
but they're not. So that's what's over to me is
that if they're and I'm not saying they should, by
the way, make some type of move. If you're getting
rid of Jimmy Butler and you are bringing back ad
or someone else, you have a discussion about it. But
if they've now decided, I know Dunleavy said, if we're
going to give up assets, it has to be for
like a special type player. Jimmy Butler gave you a
margin for error, the margin for error. It's not even
that the margin for error doesn't exist anymore, it's that
the floor has almost come out from underneath you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I guess. I guess to me, I
don't see a huge amount of difference between a team that,
if everything goes right, could win a playoff series and
one that like probably is going to finish tenth, eighth, ninth,
whatever in the conference. I get. I guess, I guess
maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong in that, And maybe you're
right that, like, at least from the perspective of, like
we're we're still giving Steph like relevant basketball to play.
I guess that's different if you think you can win
a playoff series, or at least, like with Butler, you
could talk your the team could talk itself into we
just we got if we're healthy, we like our chances
like that kind of that kind of talk, and now
it's just you aren't healthy, and so there's no construction
of the current roster that is a threat to win
that anyone will take seriously as like a playoff series winner.
I don't think so. I guess that's a little different.
I guess maybe I'm just coming from the perspective of,
like can a team, can the team win a title
or not? And they couldn't and they still can't.
Speaker 1: I guess then in your your view that though it
at least functionally changes, that they might have been open
to making some type of swing on the trade market
to see if that team that they weren't that you're
saying they weren't, if that type of product was still
accessible to them, and now they have no way of
accessing it to wife and make that type of so
what is But my point then is, and I'm not
actually denigrading the Warriors for this. I think that there
have been things they've done or haven't done that I
disagree with, But I think some people give them a
pass on moves that were they're just like, oh, they
tried to get Larry marketed in Pascal old Gianoby and it, yeah,
you didn't like you clearly didn't try hard enough with
Pascal Siakamogianaobe based off what those packages ends up going.
For my point more so is this, this isn't to
denigrate the Warriors, is what are we doing here now? Then?
To me, that's a big difference where it felt like
there was actual purpose to this season, regardless of how
low the ceiling might have ultimately been, and now it's
just what is that? Maybe saying the floor came out
beneath them was probably the wrong way of putting it,
but they they've lost the minutes that Steph has played
without Jimmy Butler this year, So I just I don't know,
it just it I guess it bums me out more
than it seems like you were more prepared for the
end of this than I was. Because it just bums
me out because it kind of seems like the last
chance we had of seeing Steph or this team recapture
any end when of that lightning in a bottle of magic. Yes,
other moves needed to happen, but now it doesn't fucking matter.
What is that? Like, there is no We were at
least able to debate, well, what could be the move?
What is the move? Now? No, no such move exists.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that that sucks from like an
analytical perspective, because you want to, Okay, what if they
did this or what if they did that. I really
firmly believe there's not a move to be made that
gets them back to where they want to be. And
then it's like, okay, so what do we talk about?
And it's the sad reality is like I think, you know,
maybe Steve Kerr is done after this year. Uh, maybe
they all get together and and they agree that we'll
go through the end of Steph and Draymond's contracts, which
is next after next year, and that's it, and we
just we do the best we can without sabotaging the
future with which Dunleavy telegraphed and try to be relevant
next year, and that's kind of it, and uh, you
know that that to me, Like so that's one thing.
The other thing is like I'm trying how to phrase this,
like I've been emotionally hedging that like this is over
for a while, and I've been I was wrong because
I didn't think the twenty two title was gonna Happenny
for sure found found money. And I think my perception
of the team has always been colored by like I saw,
I saw what a what a contending Warriors team looks like,
and it was like very, very different than anything they've
had recently. Like it even it's just like the fourteen
to fifteen team and then on through the twenty eighteen
nineteen team is just like that's what it takes. Holy shit,
were miles from that, you know, And like even the
twenty two team was like it was shocking that they
want it. You know, there were signs, but it was
just like Andrew Wiggins is our third best player, Like
that's and Jordan Poole's doing this like lightning in a bottle.
So like I'm measuring I've always measured them against Like
the version I saw, it was like this is a
that's a championship team, and it's like, it's never so
like with that as your baseline, I think in a
roundabout way, that's always why I've been like, well, I
don't think they should make that move because that's not
going to get them back to that level, which is
and You've always been smarter about saying like yeah, but
it makes them better, and like doesn't better count for something,
you know? And I'm always kind of like, well but
it's not great, so who cares?
Speaker 1: And I think that's what I'm struggling with the most
is now it all just feels meaningless to where I
could still enjoy Steph. And but like that's what you
just laid out where they decide to go through everyone's contracts. Now,
doesn't it feel this is probably an overstatement? Is it
less likely that Steph only ever wears the Warriors jersey
because of something like this? Isn't that more possible because
of it?
Speaker 2: The thing is like how there haven't been a lot
of like Steph like situations, but like it's so rare
for it to end how you want it to. Ukim
Olajuwan goes to the Raptors, you know, like Patrick Ewing
plays for the Sonics, like the Magic this the magic
was it the son or both?
Speaker 1: Right? He got traded to the Sons.
Speaker 2: That's right, you don't get and like even like I
don't know, like the Mavericks weren't contending in Dirk's last year,
and and like the Spurs. I mean, maybe Duncan is
the best you can do. But like these don't end
the story. You know, it's fine to like plan for
the storybook ending the one team. It's maybe likelier that
he plays somewhere else. He might just he might be
done after next year regardless.
Speaker 1: Do you know what the cognitive dissonances is that when
you even if you say what happened with Kobe in
La Dirk in Dallas, even what Lebron looks like in
the Lakers, and he is older with the Lakers.
Speaker 2: Kobe's last years were horrible, like remember how much.
Speaker 1: Like how awful that was, but with Dirk, with Kobe,
with Lebron now, but that's a completely different situation. If
the season ended today, there's a chance that Steph Curry
is first team All NBA, sure, and he's he's he's
no lower than second team All NBA. And I think
that's what I struggle to grapple with is it feels
like if you have one of the ten best basketball
players on your team that you are obligated to go
for it. But I understand the stance of now there's
there's no point because I don't know even like Jimmy
Butler for Davis doesn't do it like okay, sure, but
like are you're including picks so that you like? That
doesn't do it for me. They honest thing, I guess
would be like if the Warriors could get Yannis without
giving up this year's pick, and they just like, we're
really like, everyone's shutting it down the rest of this year.
We're bottoming out as much as they can. They might
even still stumble into the play in because of what
the Kings, Jazz, Pelicans and so on and so forth
are doing. Okay, like that might get you to somewhere
next toime like next year. But now it's just I
don't like that. That is what's tough for me is
because Steph is still that dude, like hashtag that dude.
Speaker 2: Do you think I think you're right? I think that
is a good point, and I think that's the more
sober way. I'm just kind of like this is like
emotional armor that I'm putting on, Like, hey, it's over man,
and that's cool because.
Speaker 1: You know recording and you're just gonna be sobbing.
Speaker 2: But but but like you're right, that is a big distinction,
I think, And and the Dunleavy comments about needing a
player that will sort of like be the he didn't
say this, but like be the bridge to the post
steff Era kind of reeks a little bit of the
two timelines thinking that everybody hates so much trying to
have it both ways kind of thing. I think the
analysis is a little different if you've got the move
or the assets to trade that do get you the
guy or guys that allow you to treat Steph like
you would any other guy who is a top ten player. Still,
you know what I mean, Like, I just don't know
what because because dra like they got all these special circumstances, right,
Like are they trading Draymond to make that happen? Like
they probably should if you a robot, if you made
a robot decide, But it's just like I don't think Steph.
Speaker 1: Said could you imagine his reaction? Pod? So yeah, And
it's just you're trying to think of the player and
even the play, like would you still be on board?
I guess Butler then becoming this is stupid, But I'm like,
you have Bam had a bio Jaron Jackson Junior, just
as I think names that the Warriors have the assets
to get if they become Maybe it's lamello. Are those ideas?
Are they now less appealing because of the Butler injury
unless you're sending Butler because like LaMelo is someone or
even I think it was Jared, we mapped out you
could get to it without giving up Jimmy Butler if
you want to move Draymond. But we're assuming yeah, they
will you get to LaMelo without giving up Draymond or Butler.
So is it does it change that part of the
count because it seems like it feels like they've now
raised the bar for what it will take for them
to make a move because they have less, which is
a little counterintuitive but also makes perfect sense. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I think raised the idea of the bar is elevated,
is right, and it drives with Duneleyvy said like, I
don't think I think they're less inclined. So what does
this mean for the summer and beyond is what we
have up the car and we have up right now.
I think you're right. What it means is the odds
of and like the means to make a trade that
is like just for this year, just like that it
doesn't happen to.
Speaker 1: Golden State is more likely now because the low opportunity costing.
They're just hashtag trying ship something like that.
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, he's under contract for a couple
of years, and like maybe there's your bridge and and
like other than jaw is an interesting example because who
knows what how low that price might be.
Speaker 1: But like he makes he makes like no sense other
than oh he's under contract, that he's a big neighbor.
Speaker 2: But like it costs you more to get the type
of player they seem to want, which is like yeah,
you help us, now, help us later. Right, that's not
it's not too much to ask, right. We want we want,
we want everything, and we're not willing to trade Steph.
We're not willing to trade Jimmy, and we're not willing
to trade uh Draymond Green. So Jonathan Kaminge, what's that
get us? And guess what? We're right back where we
were before any of the injuries happened.
Speaker 1: That not trading Jimmy stance is just it's funny to
me because it's cold and callous in the aftermath of
an injury. But what is the you have how much
a year's worth of equity built up in this player?
It seems to me maybe they're just gonna be more
open minded over the offseason. But yes, you also, you're
not at a point where you could wait to do anything,
you know what I mean? Like Stephan is, Yeah, you
know you're not guaranteed this version of Steph next year.
Speaker 2: You should strongly expect you won't get it just because
of his age, Like he's gonna be thirty eight in
two months, Like what are we talking about? Like it's
just like Lebron is the only and maybe Durant is
on the path to that to being like maybe Durant
more so actually now Loo because Lebron may not be
an all NBA guy, probably won't. Uh, just the aging
curve is as great and exceptional stuff has been, like
it's gonna get him. It's gotten him a little bit
this year, Like he's been great overall, but there have
been way more nights where it's like, oh shit, doesn't
have you know like that that's already here. It's not
like you know that's gonna get less frequent.
Speaker 1: The Bucks trade deadline primer take two immediately had a
man that one. They burned. Giannis's injury burned us on
on that one. So Giannis is dealing with, by my count,
his third calf injury this season?
Speaker 2: Is that right? It's at least two? It might be yeah,
it's it's too it's a few too many, I would say.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a lot for one season. What does
how does the Giannis injury change things for them? And
I think what let's tackle it from this perspective. First
is they had telegraphed that they wanted to buy and
I think the plan was they don't want to trade
a first round pick to do so, which is why
you saw Jeremy Grant zach Lavine. It was players who
could potentially be helpful but don't cost you real equity.
With that said, does the Yannis injury change that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Does it change? And if that was the plan, doesn't
that then shouldn't that then still be the plan? Or
now do you think that that mus Because I've seen
some people bandy about, well, this is you know, like
the more likely that he's gonna get traded, And I
don't see how trading him while he's hurt after his
third cashtrain is gonna The better thing for them to
do is he comes back post deadline, kills it, and
then they have better information to work with as they
build their own team over the offseason or for trade talks.
So I don't know that this functionally needs to change
what their approach was. It's they definitely shouldn't be trading
their first round pick that they have available, that's for sure, right.
Speaker 2: I hope this doesn't like go around the question you're asking,
but I feel like, what if there's a change here,
whether it's with Giannis or the Bucks or just the
situation overall. I think it's more related to like this
injury making Yannis realize further frustrating him, or or because
this is coming in conjunction with him making even more
comments about like our chemistry sucks and like our guys
are playing selfishly. It's like comes right on the heels
of that. So like before the injury.
Speaker 1: I think if Karl Anthony town said something like that,
do you know what Josh Hart would do to.
Speaker 2: Him, I probably involve a thumb, so I think they
honest thing. If things change, it'll be because this injury
makes him realize, I don't know why it would have
taken this long, but like, nothing is happening with this
team this year. It's not happening. You're not in the
play in now you think you think you're gonna be
there when you come back, and however long, it's gonna
be so like it maybe that is what finally gets
him to ask for the trade that is gonna need
to be asked for in order for this to just conclude.
How it must eventually conclude, because otherwise it's like what
other circumstances are are different like other than like yeah,
it makes even less sense to buy, like if he
comes out and like I don't know what this would
even look like, but does it starts to do the
dance of like probably not gonna extend unless we prove
we're committed to winning to like spur another when you know,
what can we get for Kuzma in the pick type
of trade, like not that much is different, but if
he does that, like then the Bucks should just trade
him because it's like this is enough, like, we can't.
Speaker 1: We can't keep doing if he doesn't, if he won't
sign the extension, then you can't. I think that's when
you have to have the room. Yeah, but you got
in agreement at this point though, that you can't trade
him this season, even if he asks for out like
I just I'm still because now his value is at
its Nadear you there there was reporting it was from Shams.
There are other sites that report not only did Jannis
ask for a trade to the Knicks, but there was
like a negotiating window. And unless that the Bucks were
doing that for circumstance, what did you think you were
What were they getting from? Were they trying to find
teams that would give a bunch of stuff for og
his value? If that's the conversation they were having, then
what is the conversation they're having now? I'm just waiting
because let's say he doesn't play another game for the
rest of this season. At least there might be teams
that fail in the playoffs who talk themselves into will
give like right now, Houston, Okce, San Antonio. Those teams
aren't gonna even try and acquire Ganness. I would argue
if one of them flames out in the playoffs maybe
and that would go for other teams. Yeah, well, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Right, because it is like, if you're training for him,
it's because you're trying to win a championship two day
like this year, and the injury maybe make the I'm
trying to I think you're right. What would justify what
would make it more likely that just say San Antonio
or Houston or whoever the Knicks would The Knicks are
different because they want to be out of the cap business,
But like, what would be what would make it more likely?
Is it that, Hey, we think we can get him
now if we get in his ear and we make it,
make him request us, which would carry some weight, and
the Bucks maybe don't want to piss him off, and
we can get him for a discount now because there'll
be more suitors over the summer. It's like it's a
pretty convoluted case to try to argue that the change
in circumstances with the injury makes it more likely he'll
be traded. Yeah, I get you could, you could really
contort yourself and get there. But I think you're right.
It's like I think he's just going to finish the
season with the team. Isn't he like it? Just that
seems more likely?
Speaker 1: Maybe do you think that there's so they will have
three for if they don't trade the one first round
pick they have available now, they'll be able to move
three picks over the summer twenty six, twenty thirty one,
and twenty thirty three, and there could be a twenty
thirty two swap in there Is there any like what
is that doesn't have to be like the exact name
of a player. How good does the player coming back
in a trade need to be for you as the
Bucks to feel like, okay, this guy, Because Giannis might
say you go out and get jaw and I'll stay,
and that's just I mean, maybe that doesn't cost you
a first or probably cost you one first round pick
at least, But what is the player as an organization
that makes you feel comfortable? Okay, there's Giannis staying, and
then there's that's most important, but we also just we
can't fly by the seat of our pants wait for
him to request a trade because we're still not good enough.
So how good does that player or is there a
scenario where it's a collection of players that needs to
come in and to make you feel like we can
mortgage more of our future because this doesn't just buy
us goodwill with Giannish for the next couple months, Like
this gets him to stay for at least two more seasons.
Speaker 2: Man, it's such a high I mean you can maybe
you flip it and look at like, well, how what
wasn't good enough? Like Damian Lillard like at the time,
for sure all Star for All NBA guy, that wasn't enough. Uh,
you know the like so Miles Turner, well below that
level that has not been enough. So is the answer, Like,
it's got to be an All NBA player. It's got
a lot of times we like to go like, well,
it's got to be someone as good or better than you. Honest,
it's not that, because there's like four guys that that's
true of. But uh, it has to be an all
NBA level player because if the goal is to compete
for a championship, you need a couple of those. And
you also, which the Bucks don't have, need a pretty
like well filled out rotation with a lot of high
value guys that are outperforming their contracts and like they've
just they've kicked the can down the road enough years
to where like that's just not there. So the conversation
for me starts at this is an all NBA player
that you're getting like without without asterisks, like he's he's
in the conversation, like his name is not out of
place in the like long list MVP discussion right like
because otherwise what are you doing? You're just mortgaging more
future for a guy that like is aging also and
keeps getting hurt also, which is like something you got
to think about.
Speaker 1: I don't know, By the way, I don't know how
why they let him go back in that game against
the Nuggets if he was so insistent like that is
just that that's bad. That's bad coaching by.
Speaker 2: Especially as scared as everyone is of calf injuries now right.
Speaker 1: And especially when he's got two in his right interview
already this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I agree.
Speaker 1: When you mentioned that. By the way, I don't know,
like who so three first round picks, especially if you
could talk to yourself into Janni's not being there for
the latter two, that's a lot for the Bucks. I
just don't know when we're even thinking about the you're
you're giving And I would agree with you what you
think you need the level of player to be. I
don't even have a name that springs to mind though,
because it's does Jared Jackson Junior get.
Speaker 2: It's another rea I mean, obviously the picks are the
biggest one, but another reason to wait for the offseason
because they like then we've been saying the same, like
I don't the same names that like aren't great for
weeks now in terms of like who's out there at
the deadline, what I can say, I don't think Jared
Jackson Junior is like realistically available at the moment I
was talking about three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they couldn't get him even if he were right.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying like, I just think, like, man, I
don't know, I don't know. The specter of like physical
decline is now a bigger factor for me. Maybe that's
the biggest change, is like yet another calf injury or
like as the Bucks are you thinking, well, okay, from
our side now, it's like maybe it won't take a
trade demand because like we're just watching the trajectory.
Speaker 1: Do you think that do you think that the Bucks
have the gall just knowing how important he is from
a business model perspective, even if fans are frustrated with
some of the stuff he's been saying, how important he
is from a business perspective, Do you think that the
Bucks can actually make the decision themselves.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think they could unilize early, do it.
I think maybe this this makes Oh well, the next
thing from the offseason is like, okay, so we've at
least gone down this road a little bit, right, Fellas Like,
it does seem like the injury might make them more
open to approaching Gianness with like, hey, you're calling the shots,
but what do you think about this? You know, like
maybe that's already happened if they talk to the Knicks.
It feels like that as well. It seems like that
already did happen once. Maybe that's the specific circumstance, But.
Speaker 1: I hear quarantine towns might be available if they're look,
you gotta look.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, We were both on record of
like it'd be cool if Jannis was a one team
player for his whole career, but like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He just here. I want you to throw the championships
and legacy out of the equation for a second and
just look at the organizations that we're talking about right now,
between Milwaukee and Golden State. Which team do you think
would be more inclined to mortgage the future for the
other Star Warriors going after Giannis, or if the Dubs
decide and Steph decide, that would be time for a change,
the Bucks going all in for Steph?
Speaker 2: Which franchise do you the Bucks going? The Bucks have
done it like several times for lesser players, you know,
like they've already the Bucks have shown you their preferences,
Like the Warriors have been the complete opposite, you know that.
You know, we'll take Kevin Durant if he wants to
sign with us. But like, what's the Like, holy shit,
they went for it trade Like even Jimmy Butler came
at a discount, you know, like the Bucks. The Bucks
lived it. That's the Bucks life. They love it. They
love going for it. Yeah, don't don't you agree? Like,
isn't it way more likely the Bucks would sell off
everything for a great player to put with the honest
they keep doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right, just because the way the
Warriors kind of waited for a Jimmy Butler opportunity where
the cost was so low, which by the way were you.
Were you at the point of the Warriors where I've
seen a lot of people that they should just go
and trade for Klay Thompson back. Have you reached that
point of.
Speaker 2: Literally made that argument. I think they should one hundred
percent trade Cominga and Buddy Healed for Andrew Wiggins. Let's
at least if it's going to be hopeless, let's just
all hold hands while the ship goes down.
Speaker 1: Would you give up a first round pick to make
that happen?
Speaker 2: I don't think you have to. I think if you give,
if you give the heat Minga and Healed and the heater,
like we're we care about cap space, We're worried about
Wiggins picking up thirty million dollars. Uh, we'll take a
three million.
Speaker 1: Can make about you again?
Speaker 2: I might give up our twenties ours? Who I did it?
I finally I finally crossed over. I'm so washed. I
would I think the Warriors should consider giving up a
twenty six first if they think Wiggins gets that pick
into the twenties. Like, who gives a shit?
Speaker 1: You know, I just assume I just want assuming they
would pick in the twenties.
Speaker 2: Right, I just want to be pleasant as as the
sun goes down, and Andrew Wiggins makes me happy, so
I'm not for it.
Speaker 1: So I think we're in agreement with Milwaukee that I
don't actually think the Yawnas injury changes anything other than
if they weren't going to trade their first round pick before,
or if they were if they were open to it.
There's no way you could be open to it now.
There's just nothing. That's the only thing that changes. Like
I think if you were if the now, if a
deal presents itself to where you get zach Lavine and
all you're giving up is Kuzma Porter, Bobby Portis, I'm
just throwing a name out there, I think they would
still do something like that because they could say, well,
we don't have our own pick this year. Giannis is
gonna come back at some point. We'll try and fight
and get in the play in and then we get
to reevaluate with either this big expiring salary or maybe
it works out we'll have these three first round picks.
I think that was always the smart court. It was,
honestly to me, the only course when you look at
the potential Yanna suitors out there, and I think that
that's just still the only maybe you're less likely to
make the we don't want to turn the poo poo
platter of contracts into a singular big one, so maybe
that's less likely.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, I think that's fair. Just the more drastic actions,
which were inadvisable to begin with, are just like less
likely now. And the other thing, like I said, is
like if if this is finally the thing that gets
you honest to say, like get me out of here, guys,
that this is this is enough. But I don't know,
I don't know that it would have that the injury
would have.
Speaker 1: Well if he did, I think I asked you this before.
Are you even trading him? If you're if he has
out for right now, I'm not. If I'm the Bucks, No,
this is gonna wait until the off season when I
think that there's more of a bit.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry, No, no, No, that's that's funny. I
think you're I think you're That would be the smart
way to play it, because it's like, so if we
say no, he's going to be mad and ask for
a trade.
Speaker 1: He just did like there's nowhere further to go, And
it's just how much do you think, like how much
do the offers decline, we can trade for injured Yannis now.
Speaker 2: Right, nobody against the Bucks if they pissed off Gannest
because he finally asked for a trade that everyone was
like kind of like hoping he would ask for. Yeah,
I think I think that. I think you're right about that.
Speaker 1: It is time for stat padding. We've got lots of
fun stuff planned for this one, grant. Did you want
me to throw something at you first? Do you want to?
I want to.
Speaker 2: I want to try this because if it's near the beginning,
it'll be easier to cut. Maybe if it doesn't work,
I'm not cutting all this could really just end up
in a ditch. So just so you know, all right,
So I have some questions for you. They are basically
all They are entirely all trade related, because I feel
like you have a really good head for remembering like
what went where when you're shaking your you don't.
Speaker 1: We're about to find out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we'll see, all right, So we'll start
most recently. I've got an easy, a medium, and a
hard trade related question for you. So we're going to
go back to focus your mind around the trade deadline.
Because these are all in the like up to and
on the trade deadline trade, So it's not going to
be some off season thing or January or whatever. Twenty
twenty five, this is the easy question, Dan. Who did
the MAVs get when they traded Quentin Grimes and a
twenty twenty five second to the Philadelphia seventy six ers.
Caleb Martin correct The Books Podcast Fay of Caleb Martin.
That's easy, all right, Dan? A medium difficulty twenty twenty
five trade deadline question. The Lakers tried and failed to
get Mark Williams from the Charlotte Hornets. That trade was
voided by a failed physical who was in the Charlotte
package he headed to Charlotte from the Lakers in that trade.
I'll give you a point for every major asset you
can name.
Speaker 1: Wait going from Charlotte to the Lakers.
Speaker 2: No, the Lakers were getting Mark Williams. Who were the
Lakers going to trade away to get Mark Williams?
Speaker 1: Ooh, Dalton Connect correct?
Speaker 2: One point?
Speaker 1: Do draft picks count?
Speaker 2: Yes? They do? If you can remember.
Speaker 1: Dalton Connect and their twenty thirty one first.
Speaker 2: Round pick, that's two points. There are two other assets
in it that.
Speaker 1: I let me say was Jordan Goodwin in that trade.
They didn't seem to.
Speaker 2: No, there's only one no, not as far as.
Speaker 1: I'm wasn't there a swap, a twenty thirty swap?
Speaker 2: Oh a million points awarded for remembering the twenty thirty
swap the other there's another player.
Speaker 1: Let me so, I'm trying to I'm trying to think
it wasn't Bronni. I know it wasn't Bronnie.
Speaker 2: Safe assumption, that's right.
Speaker 1: Because the money wouldn't have aligned up. Who was gonna
go Because it wasn't Jackson Hayes either.
Speaker 2: It was a It was a wing who was once
a highly doubted prospect that has been on.
Speaker 1: Oh, Cam Reddish.
Speaker 2: That is right, Cam Reddish, that's a trillion points. That
was excellent medium difficulty achieved. So I don't know if
this is fair to call it the hard difficulty. At
the twenty twenty five trade deadline, the Knicks were involved
in the Kyle Kuzma Chris Middleton trade. Who do they get?
Oh my god, just as a refresher. Kuzma goes from Walker,
Washington to Milwaukee. Middleton obviously goes the other way. Several
other players involved, but the Knicks weaseled, weaseled his too
strong a word nosed in there. They ended up with
a player.
Speaker 1: Oh this is great because I don't I don't remember
this at all.
Speaker 2: A J.
Speaker 1: Johnson went to the Wizards. Justin Champagnee stayed with the Wizards.
That wasn't cool much muchier dismissed, Still upset about that.
Who did they get? Oh my god, I don't. I
don't even have a name to throw, like I'm trying
to think of Campaign was already on the team. Delawn
Wright was already on the was it the lawn right?
Speaker 2: It was the lawn right? Okay? Job? He played like
fourteen games for the next that year. I had the doronthy.
Speaker 1: Cowns is still upset that he a hero left with
Campaign this season ruined.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm I'm very you delivered. Man.
Speaker 1: Uh that was like I had to go through, like
who was on their roster last year? That wasn't that
was terrible.
Speaker 2: It is a little bit of a cheap making the
hard level a Knicks related one, But I.
Speaker 1: Thought that that was that was good. I forgot how
they stumbled into Delane. I was like, was he on
the roster the entire season? I couldn't, but I remember
he was in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: Would you like to try your hand at the twenty
twenty four trade deadline?
Speaker 1: Oh, this is gonna be awful.
Speaker 2: Let's do it all right, here's the easy one. I
think this rates is easy. So at the twenty twenty
four deadline, the Knicks finally traded Evan Fournier along with
three other players and two second rounders. Where did they
trade him? What did they get?
Speaker 1: They traded Evan Fournier to the Detroit Pistons, and they
got back boy on Bogdanovic And they also got was
that the j that was the genesis of them getting
the Detroit pick that became Johann Behnje Right, Oh, I
don't know about that part.
Speaker 2: You're way deeper in the weeds. There's another player that
they got.
Speaker 3: It was played Bydanovich and oh then they fuck hey
all this is gonna bug the shit.
Speaker 2: Oh shake Milton No, no scoring guard that has like
had real moments on several teams. I think he's out
of the league now.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't endorsement.
Speaker 2: He's been on the Warriors, he's been on the Knicks,
he's been on the Jazz, he's been on the man.
Where else has he been to look him up? Now?
Speaker 1: Now the Warriors scoring guard thought they hated those Draymond punches.
Speaker 2: Those Let's see he played for the Heat last year.
He played forty nine games for the Heat last year.
So he only got twenty three games with the Knicks
in twenty three, twenty four before that Detroit, before that
the Knicks. Oh, that should be your hint. Two years
with the Knicks in twenty one and twenty two, then
to Detroit, then back to the Knicks.
Speaker 1: You're gonna say it, and I'm gonna hate myself for
this was the easy one.
Speaker 2: Holy crap. Well, you got a lot of the points here,
there's there. I was gonna give you bonus points if
you could name who else went out with Fournier, but
we don't need If you would like to do that,
that that could get you additional points. That don't mean anything.
Speaker 1: Who went out with four Well Grimes was in that.
Speaker 2: Deal, correct, that's the big one.
Speaker 1: Who else wasn't that trade?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: No, you're gonna have to all right.
Speaker 2: So also it looks again this is cursory research because
I don't remember I remember the fourty a trade in
broad strokes but Malachi Flynn and Ryan Archidiacano also went
with two seconds from New York. Archid, So do you
want to know the scoring guard that came back with
Bogdanovich that you'll hate yourself for? Yes, one, Alec Burks.
Speaker 1: Damn it. Yeah, I should have known that one. That's egregious.
Speaker 2: That's all right, may let's get to the medium difficulty.
You got like forty seven out of a ninety two
possible points on that one, so still pretty good. Dan
Two players and a twenty twenty seven first round er
with top two protection went to Dallas from Charlot for PJ.
Washington who went the other.
Speaker 1: Way, oh Man, Grant Williams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one. The other one is a little Josh Green. No, no, right,
that sounds like it should be true, but I don't
think it is. That must have been looking up you
could see. This is my worry about all these is
that I missed an asset. There is another player, though
it was, who's a very famous last name.
Speaker 1: That doesn't I don't know if the hell that's supposed
to help me. Grant Williams and who went from Dallas
in that Charlotte trade. We know it's not Dwight Powell,
who will get a statue at some point in Dallas.
I don't think I'm gonna get this one either, Seth Curry,
Oh yeah, I never would have got there.
Speaker 2: This This is the true hard difficulty at the twenty
twenty four if I could speak, at the twenty twenty
four trade deadline, Gordon Hayward, who you may remember, went
to the Oklahoma City Thunder from Charlotte. Can you name
any player in the package that went the other way?
Speaker 1: Alexey Pokaevsky?
Speaker 2: Nope, I like where you had that though.
Speaker 1: That wasn't the Charlotte acquired too many former OKC players.
Speaker 2: Wasn't the trey Man year either. It was the Trey
Man is one of those players. A million points awarded
for getting trey Man. He's the only player. Oh shit,
he's the only player still in the league. Of the
backs that went back for Gordon Hayward. This was not
that long ago.
Speaker 1: Oh who was the other one? There's another player? Who
am I forgetting.
Speaker 2: Both? I don't know, Okay, really good to get trey
Manu Vasilia Michic was one and the other was Davas Berton's.
Speaker 1: Oh, Damas Burton should have been the name I went
to first.
Speaker 2: Well, Trey Man is at least like still on the team.
That helps. Do you want to give me some or
should I go to twenty twenty three for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's book end date with twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: All right, let's see just to place you in time,
twenty twenty three is the year of Kdie to Phoenix,
uh for Bridges and Cam Johnson and all that fun stuff.
So that's that's when we are. Here's the easy question.
There's a three team trade between the Lakers, Jazz and
Wolves that involves Russell Westbrook. I will give you a
point for every other player. There are seven total that
you can name in that three team deal. Oh man,
So is.
Speaker 1: The three team trade between the Lakers, Wizards and who.
Speaker 2: Lakers, Jazz and Wolves. It's so Russ goes to the Jazz.
Speaker 1: When the Lakers are trading.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're giving up Russ. They're they're they're ending the experiment.
Speaker 1: Mike Conley went to the Jazz, Kyle Anderson go to
the Wolves. Is that a Kyle Anderson trade.
Speaker 2: Kyle Anderson is not in that deal as nearly as
I can tell. Conley goes to the Wolves in that one.
But yeah, you're you're right, he's.
Speaker 1: In was involved in that trade because Russ was expensive.
Jared Vanderbilt ended up on the Lakers as part of
that trade.
Speaker 2: Correct, that's two points.
Speaker 1: You How many players did you say we're involved in
that trade?
Speaker 2: Seven?
Speaker 1: Seven? Holy holy smokes.
Speaker 2: There's there's two that you won't get. So basically, there's
three more names that you'll you'll like. Are you definitely know.
Speaker 1: Who did the Wolves trade as part of that? Well,
Jared Vanderbilt was on the Wolves.
Speaker 2: Orth he Jazz?
Speaker 1: Only crap, this is so hard, Okay, So I have
Jared Vanderbilt, Mike Conley, who else? Wolves? Jazz?
Speaker 2: And how about this? The best player today by a
lot is one that you haven't named? And he went
I'll just make it. He went from the Jazz to
the Wolves.
Speaker 1: Oh, he went from the Jazz to the Wolves and
is the best player by a lot today a lot?
Oh the heck day. And also he's not on the
Wolves anymore. No, wait this because he left it free.
It was Joe Angles as part of this deal. Nope, nope,
I don't think I don't have him as one of
the sets. Right, he was traded to the Wolves and
is the best player by a lot.
Speaker 2: Now, I really want you to get this guy, so
I'll give you an additional hint. This player was I
was he? I think he was? Yeah? He was drafted
by the Pelicans, wound up on the Jazz, was traded
to the Wolves in this deal, and is now not
on the Wolves anymore either, And he's easily the best He.
Speaker 1: Was drafted by the Pelicans, Yeah, traded, I think he was.
It could have been like one of those Lakers picks
that the Pelicans controlled, but he plays first for the
Pelicans very quickly. D'Angelo Russell was part of this deal.
Speaker 2: Correct, You're correct that is not bet player, but not
the best player that I'm referring to.
Speaker 1: Wait, what was that?
Speaker 2: This is so much fun. I hope you're enjoying this
because I'm really enjoying this.
Speaker 1: What is that line of transactions? Again?
Speaker 2: He was drafted by drafted by the Pelicans in the
twenty nineteen draft.
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Was he was the number seventeen pick in that draft.
Uh plays a year and a half with New Orleans
before he's traded or is it maybe two two and
a half, then goes to Utah, then is in Utah
until this trade, which we're at the twenty three deadline,
goes to Minnesota, plays the end of twenty two to
twenty three with the Wolves all of twenty three, twenty four,
all of twenty four to twenty five, and this year
is not on the Wolves anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh, Nikile Alexander Walker.
Speaker 2: Crazy, right, that dude's a throw in in that deal. Yeah,
let's see there is. I wouldn't have got any of
the other names in it, would you like to know?
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna name it as Jordan Goodwood involved in
any of this?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Right, that's tough.
Speaker 2: So I'll give you the two that you weren't going
to get just because they're former Warriors and that are
deeply obscure. Damian Jones, the big big Man, and then
want Ascano Anderson good Old JTA was also in this.
Speaker 1: Deal, and I used to be in the bag for
that dude.
Speaker 2: Were we all were?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Uh, the other big ish name, which is like I
just now that I when I looked it up, I
was like, oh, right, Malik Beasley goes. I think let's
go from you. Did he go to Utah to Minnesota? Right?
Is that the way it went, could have been the
other way. Hard to remember.
Speaker 1: Wasn't he he went from Minnesota?
Speaker 2: Did he go the other way?
Speaker 1: Because who did he? Wasn't he? He was odd the Lakers.
What didn't he go from?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look at this.
Speaker 1: So he goes Lakers from Utah to the Lakers.
Speaker 2: Denver to start his career to Minnesota. He goes Minnesota
to Utah and then the next year is on the Lakers,
then Bucks, then Pistons, then Persona non grada and is
not playing basketball this year. Uh okay, you got like
several of the points for that one. So medium from
twenty twenty three? Oh my god. Can you see there's
not a lot of like rhyme or reason to what's easy,
medium or hard here? This is a Knicks related one,
so you're welcome. At the twenty twenty three trade deadline,
the Knicks acquired Josh Hart from the Portland Trailblazers. Can
you name any of the other assets in the deal?
There are let's see one, two, three, four of note
of note, Holy shit, maybe a real note? He pops
up again. Another cam Reddish mentioned they.
Speaker 1: Gave up a first round pick.
Speaker 2: Three, first top fourteen per tent.
Speaker 1: That's correct, So there's two more of note. You said, yes,
Camp Radish, where's the matching There had to be other
matching salary involved in that deal.
Speaker 2: You got Camp. I'm pretty impressed you've got Cam Reddish. Uh.
Also popping up again as Ryan Archidiacano, which I don't
think you're gonna get. Maybe.
Speaker 1: I actually thought about saying him, but I was like,
there's no way he was involved in this deal. But
the other guy.
Speaker 2: Is at least still on the Blazers.
Speaker 1: Still on the Blazers.
Speaker 2: Yep, ah, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't think how did this?
Speaker 2: How did this happen? This is what I gotta give it.
I gotta just tell you because I'm looking this up,
and there must have been a third team involved somehow
or something, because it's matist t Thibel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, was never on the Knicks.
Speaker 2: Never on the nick There must have been rope them
in from the Sixers somehow. All right, let's move to hard. Oh,
then you should get this one. Actually, I have confidence
in you.
Speaker 1: This is this is gonna end so poor.
Speaker 2: At the twenty twenty three trade deadline, the Toronto Raptors
traded Kem Birch a twenty twenty four first rounder with
top six protection and seconds to the Spurs. Who did
they get back?
Speaker 1: Yaka Perdl?
Speaker 2: That's correct. I just want to make you talk about
Yaka Peerdl because you hate his contracts so much.
Speaker 1: All right, I mean, I mean didn't they was that
like the first time they signed him to their extension?
That makes ten since.
Speaker 2: Then, right, that was the beginning, because they're like, we
gave up a first for this guy. We were proc committed.
We've got to keep giving him money. I'm gonna keep
twenty twenty two in the holster in case you want
to subject yourself to this punishment again down the line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was an excellent exercise. That was insane.
Speaker 2: I think you did well.
Speaker 1: Here's open so grant for you. Well, I guess it's
really for us because I get I don't know if
you get a lot of this, but there are a
lot of people who think our jobs are easy and
that AI could replace them. And I decided to ask
to see just chat GPT. No ball is what we're
trying to figure out here, and so I put this
is the prompt I used. I asked for realistic, original
trade ideas. This is the same prompt I use for
every team and we'll talk about and also i'll give
you I think there's gonna be a live option of
you pick a team or two. We'll feed it into
chat GPT and see what they spit out, which I
think will be another fun element. So the prompt I
sent to chat GPT was, can you send me an
original trade idea for Team X at the twenty twenty
six NBA trade deadline with a full breakdown of the
financial impact, any pick protections, and who's going in and
who's going out. That seems thorough enough, right, these things
are supposed to replace us. That seems thorough enough. Great.
Speaker 2: It should be easy, shouldn't it.
Speaker 1: You would think so. The first trade for the Knicks
from chat GPT, the Knicks receive twenty twenty six I
put this in there. I want to make that clear.
The Knicks received McHale Bridges. The Nets receive Quenton Grimes,
Mitchell Robinson, a twenty twenty seven first round pick with
top ten protection, and a twenty twenty nine first round
pick with top eight protection. Now, let me point out
all the ways in which this is impossible. Mcale Bridges
is already on the Knicks. The Knicks cannot trade their
twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty nine first round picks,
and Quentin Grimes currently plays for the Philadelphia seventy six ers.
The Knicks already traded him. Mitchell Robinson is the only player.
Speaker 2: Other than that, though pretty good.
Speaker 1: I bet you the Knicks are wishing that this is
what they coughed up for mcal Bridges.
Speaker 2: I just want this recorded that I think AI is
great and that when it is in charge, I want
to be remembered as thinking all of its ideas are
very smart. So good job chat GPT, Please don't exterminate me?
Is that sufficient? Can we go for it?
Speaker 1: That's like?
Speaker 2: How bad?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: What are we doing?
Speaker 1: Well? Hey, hey, it gets better? Oh good, sort of
does chat GPT No Ball Golden State Warriors edition. The
Golden State Warriors received Nick Claxton. That's 'ro off two
go start, you have my attention. The Nets received Jonathan
kaminga Gary Payton, a second and a twenty twenty eight
first round pick with top four protection and grant. If
it lands in the top four twenty twenty eight, it
rolls to twenty twenty nine with the same top four protection.
If it still doesn't convey it converts to two second
rounders in twenty thirty and twenty thirty two. That's look,
that's not that's not bad. Now. The issue here is
this trade is illegal because the Warriors are taking on
six hundred thousand dollars in salary. They also the way
that they could trade that first round pick, but you
can't have it roll into two seconds because they don't
control their second round picks in twenty thirty or twenty
thirty two. So if you mean us that and include
more salary, this is not. This is not and the Warriors.
Nick Claxton's interesting on the Warriors.
Speaker 2: That's one. That's one that would be good enough to
fool people and get aggregated. I think it pretty heavily.
I think so big step forward from from from Clinton
Grimes being traded from the Knicks with two firsts. It's
pretty good.
Speaker 1: Does chat GPT no ball? Denver Nuggets edition, Are you ready, sir?
Speaker 2: Please trade like five fresh round picks.
Speaker 1: The Denver Nuggets receive Derek White, the Boston Celtics receive
Michael Porter Junior, the Nuggets twenty eight first round pick
with top ten protection, and the Nuggets is twenty thirty
second round pick. My notes here are Denver already traded
Michael Porter Junior and their twenty twenty eight first and
their twenty thirty second, and so this deal does not work.
It also would not work from the Celtics' perspective of well,
maybe it would be sending out White salary, but that
doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Nope. Oh man, have you thought about how maybe chat
GPT can see the future and there will come a
time when Michael Porter Junior is back on the Nuggets
and will be traded for Derek White. I don't know
how the Nuggets get their picks back.
Speaker 1: That's a little bit of a problem with your theory, A.
Speaker 2: Little bit of a hang up on that one.
Speaker 1: Does chat GPT no ball? San Antonio Spurs edition? Uh?
Here's the trade. The Spurs received Darius Garland Okay, he
is an NBA player.
Speaker 2: I think that's cards there.
Speaker 1: The Cavaliers receive the Spurs' first round pick in twenty
twenty seven, top eight protection, the spurs is twenty twenty
nine first round pick, top five protection, Devin vessel So okay,
and Malachi Brandam, who currently plays for the Washington Reasons.
Speaker 2: That's me sticking point. Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean that's close to possible, is it. But here's
my thing. Why would the Spurs make that deal when
danon Fox is on the roster, when you have Dylan Harper,
when you have Steph Cassele. Why is Darius Garland to focus?
So the question is, does chat cheap et no ball?
Speaker 2: No? Oh hard, no hard no even it doesn't know
rules one? But it also that that is a does
not know ball blinking red light.
Speaker 1: Now, the CBA trips up a lot of humans, so
I AI is supposed to be better than us, so
I really shouldn't give it a pass. But the CBA
stuff that doesn't work. I can the whole salaries, all right,
you figure it out. But getting the picks wrong, getting
the team needs wrong, getting players.
Speaker 2: Who are who aren't even on the tones.
Speaker 1: That's rough. Okay, Grant does chat GPT no ball? Houston
Rockets trade edition. The Houston Rockets received Drew Holliday. He
also is an NBA player. The Celtics receive Jalen Green
and Cam Whitmore. A few issues here.
Speaker 2: Can I point one out?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Go ahead.
Speaker 2: The Rockets don't seem to be giving anybody up here, No,
they don't touching requirement not fulfilled?
Speaker 1: And also like why are the Wizards and the Suns?
Also what are they? How are they getting anything out
of this? See?
Speaker 2: Can we is there another bit we can do? That's
like trying to understand why chat ept deeply does not
know ball in this instance, like clearly because well Cam
Whitmore shows up a lot with the Rockets over the
years because he used to play there, So that that
that gets you there?
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 2: Jalen Green? Same thing? How do the Celtics get involved here?
Speaker 1: Is that where Drew hollidays Portland. There's five teams involved
here and the two that chat GPT highlighted aren't giving
up any players.
Speaker 2: Like it's so fun to punch punch up at Hey,
this is great. I feel so strong and smart.
Speaker 1: This is ridiculous. Now, I think it'd be funny to
to do a live one that we can both react to. So, okay,
you want to give me a team that you think
that we should try out and we'll see what chat
GPT spits out.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's at least give it a team that could
like that's flexible, so there's room for it to be possible.
So should we include the Nets, because you know, let's.
Speaker 1: Don't say had their chance with the Nets. As far
as I'm concerned, the.
Speaker 2: Trade, Okay, uh utah, let's involve the Jazz and let's
have the Jazz execute a trade with.
Speaker 1: Oh you want to? Or let's include the other team?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because otherwise it might be too easy. Let's let's
have the Jazz trade, have a Jazz trade with the Bucks.
Let's let's a team with a bunch of flexibility with
a team that has very little.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the Jazz and the Bucks chat GPT's idea.
Oh response, I'm gonna read it. Oh hell, yes, this
is a real front office puzzle. Gets excited, not a
fan fiction swap. Utah plus Milwaukee in twenty twenty six
is all about timeline mismatch versus desperation. The emphasis, although
there are some bolded words, here's an original deadline, plausible
Jazz Bucks trade with clean CBA logic, realistic protections, and
very clear incentives on both sides. The Milwaukee Bucks receive
Larry market in.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, okay that the Jazz do have Larry
market in. They do? Did you touch? Did you touch
Jazz receive Chris Middleton, Yes, Marjohn Bochamp. Oh sure, the
Bucks is twenty twenty eight first round pick, top four protected. Great,
and the Bucks is twenty thirty first round pick top
six protected converts to two seconds if it doesn't convey
by twenty thirty two. The Bucks have none of those
assets to trade.
Speaker 2: I see no issues. I see it. This is a
great deal for the Bucks. What a heist?
Speaker 1: Really good? This is I suffice it to say what
Grant and I do is meaningful, brave, courageous, ear replaceable,
irreplicable work.
Speaker 2: Can we do one more? I don't know if you
have this? Can we do like, let's do a Knix
Lakers just just like, let's big market this and just
see what could possibly happen. Because the Knicks also fit
the bill of like can't trade picks, have like crazy salaries.
The Lakers like shouldn't do anything, as we talked about
on their preview. So I gotta know, like, please, if
I could ask for one thing, please have Anthony Davis's
name come up somehow in this trade.
Speaker 1: Alright, let's see absolutely this is a very nick slash
Lakers coded twenty twenty six trade deadline trade. One side
chasing star gravity, the other weaponizing discipline, depth and flexibility. Hell,
this is not a splashy superstar for five picks idea.
It's a realistic pressure point deal that only becomes available
once timeline starts squeezing. The New York Knicks receive Austin Reeves.
Oh gave so right off the bat. They lied, They
said it wasn't a star driven trade. But Gabe Vincent,
Uh huh, we're cooking until now.
Speaker 2: Oh my, come on, I can't see it.
Speaker 1: The Knicks get Austin Reeves, Gabe Vincent. The Lakers is
first round picks in twenty twenty seven and twenty twenty nine. Yeah,
they can't trade those. The lost. The Los Angeles Lakers
receive Julius Randall.
Speaker 2: That's just like just like, let's let's pop the cherry
right on top of the Sunday with Julius Randall. Thank you.
That's even better than Anthony Davis. Really good stuff. I mean,
Julius Randall has played for both of those teams.
Speaker 1: So there's there was one we did seven. There was
one trade. It wasn't even legal. That just made it
so no chat GPT doesn't know ball. If this is
not if you took this as an advertisement for AI,
I promise you it's fucking not.
Speaker 2: Oh job security.
Speaker 1: Oh man. Okay, So I do have, believe it or not,
some non AI related things for you. I guess that's
is that something you might be interested in?
Speaker 2: I guess that was pretty fun.
Speaker 1: Okay, So which we have up next? All right, So
this is gonna be I think you're gonna hate this one.
It's gonna be hard, but we're here. I'm gonna get
you through it. I'm here for you. You'll get clues throughout.
But it's guess the NBA team, by having only their
best players is or starters preferred starting lineups career high
scoring games. So I will give you We're going to
go in increasing order of how many points they scored,
so the higher the career high, and I will give
you the date, like the like the year and the
month that they got the career high, and also the
position that they.
Speaker 2: Get, so it'll it'll be like this point guard's career
high came in twenty twenty three and it was forty
seven points and I got exactly got it.
Speaker 1: And if you get so, you'll have three strikes per team.
But if you use to well, actually you'll just get
one guest, because there's five players each team. If we
get to a point where you missed two in a
row or get three in a row missed, there'll be
other context clues given to help you.
Speaker 2: All right, And this is this year's like most used
or like widely starting line preferred.
Speaker 1: Okay, good word, because really starting lineups are just so
with injuries and stuff or so fluid.
Speaker 2: Got it?
Speaker 1: Okay? Thirty five points is the career high for this
center who did it in February two thousand and three,
twenty three.
Speaker 2: Sorry, center got thirty five and twenty three. I got it.
Speaker 1: I guess I should you have a one of thirty
chance of getting your right, so I.
Speaker 2: Preserve the integrity of the exercise. I should guess thirty
five is high, but it's not crazy. So like I'm
gonna say, I'm gonna say the bucks that is incorrect. Okay.
Speaker 1: This power forward has a career high of thirty six points,
which he dropped in February of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Hmm, it's easier to rule out teams that have a
power forward that you know, hascot like a the s ad,
thirty six was the high. Yep, I'm gonna go that's
both are pretty recent, so these are younger man. Let's say,
let's say the thunder just for fun.
Speaker 1: That's incorrect. Okay, now it gets interesting though. Fifty one
points is the career high for this shooting guard who
did it in October twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Oh no, fifty one points earlier this year, and this
in the center and power forward had thirty six and
thirty five. Fifty one's a lot. Fifty one should be
on the radar here. Hmm. Yeah, it should just be
as easy as who what shooting guard had fifty one
earlier this year? Huh, I'll go with I don't know.
This is hard. It's not making anything click in my brain.
I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: The one twenty eight chants of getting it right. I'm
gonna say, Orlando, that is incorrect. All right, you've now
unlocked an additional context clue.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: Sixty one points is the career high for this small
forward power forward at the forward spots are always weird.
Sixty one points is the career high for this forward
who did it in March twenty twenty four, and it
is a Western Conference.
Speaker 2: Team sixty one in the West. Uh God, So this
is so this team has someone that scored sixty plus
and someone that scored fifty plus this year? When was
the sixty one? Sorry I wasn't paying.
Speaker 1: Attention March of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Okay, and it's in the West, I mean is that.
Let's let's think real quick here.
Speaker 1: So your career highs center thirty five, forward thirty six,
shooting guard fifty one, other forward sixty one. Those are
the and you're in the West.
Speaker 2: Hmmm. I don't think it's I think the center number
would need to be higher for it to be the Kings.
And I don't think either Levine or DeRozan has that
sixty one. This is gonna be really obvious. I'm gonna
this is this is a good stat padding because I'm
gonna be super annoyed with myself when I don't get it.
Let's see, I'm just scanning through, man, I should just
know who had fifty one this year? Why is that
so hard in the West. I gotta I'll just throw
one out and say I don't know. I'll say the Timberwolves.
Speaker 1: That is incorrect.
Speaker 2: Who is it?
Speaker 1: You're well, you have another player.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Seventy three points is the career high for this point guard,
who tallied it in January twenty twenty four. If you
can't get it or would like to know, I will
give you the division in which this team plays.
Speaker 2: I mean I should just know who scored seventy three?
Did I say the Lakers already?
Speaker 1: You did not? And that is correct?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: So DeAndre eight and thirty five points, Ruey thirty six points,
Reeves fifty one points. I thought you might have gotten
it there, and then Lebron had sixty one. Luca has
the seventy three burger.
Speaker 2: The sixty one. It felt like not enough for Lebron,
I think in my head because I yeah, all right, man,
seventy three did it though? Okay, that's tricky.
Speaker 1: Next up. Thirty points is the career scoring high for
this shooting guard, which he tallied in April twenty and
twenty five.
Speaker 2: Mm, let's just take a shot. Thirty points for a
starting shooting guard last spring Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 1: That is incorrect. Thirty eight points is the career high
for this small forward, who did it in March twenty
and twenty two.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, uh, Toronto incorrect.
Speaker 1: Fifty points is the career scoring high for this power
forward who did it in October twenty and twenty five.
Speaker 2: This year. Okay, so give me all three together, real quick.
Speaker 1: Thirty points for the shooting guard, thirty eight points for
the small forward, fifty points for the power forward.
Speaker 2: You're small forward, fifty for the power forward.
Speaker 1: Uh utah incorrect now unlocked context clues great. Fifty five
points is the career high for this point guard who
did it in February twenty twenty five, and it is
a Western Conference team that he plays for.
Speaker 2: Fifty five a year ago point guard in the West Man.
These are hard, but I should be able to. I've
eliminated like a fifth of the conference already. Fifty five
for the point guard, and both in the thirties for
the what'd you say, power forward and shooting guard.
Speaker 1: So thirty for the shooting guard, thirty eight for the
small forward, fifty for the power forward, fifty five for
the point guard. Jesus, if it's any consolation, I have
confidence you're gonna get it with the next one.
Speaker 2: Oh really, well, then I'll just say I don't know
if i've even said this team all right, I'll say
in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: For now, you've already said them. Would you end up
go wrong? Would you like to?
Speaker 2: I was just stalling. That can't be. It can't be
the Blazers. I'll go Kings again.
Speaker 1: Incorrect. Okay, sixty one points is the career high for
this center, which he tallied in April twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Sixty one for a center last April.
Speaker 1: I do. I do think what's important, especially when you
get to the centers or the point guards, is like
though the positions could be and you know that this
is the highest career high, that could be the giveaway.
Speaker 2: Oh that's just confusing. And we're in the West, a
center that had you said sixty one for a center
in the West. I mean I could just go through.
It's a Lakers, clip, Warriors, King's Sons, Jezz not the
Jazz Denver. Oh uh Denver.
Speaker 1: That is correct. So thirty points for Christian Brown, thirty
eight for cam Aaron Gordon had that fifty point game
in October, fifty five for Murray, and then sixty one
for Yokich.
Speaker 2: Okay, I do need I need to be smarter about
airing towards teams that have like pretty established starting fives.
Speaker 1: Here's a nice little peak behind the curtain. Would you
like to continue going? Do you think that this is
a worthy stat padding?
Speaker 2: Do it again? I need to do better. I'd like
to not need all of the context clues.
Speaker 1: Thirty five points is the career high for this center,
which he dropped in November twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: These are also recent, Uh, thirty five. I'm gonna say, oh, okay,
I'm gonna follow my advice and pick a team that
has a pretty established starting lineup. I'm gonna say thirty
five about right for Miles Turner. So I'm gonna say
the bucks that is incorrect. Okay.
Speaker 1: Thirty five points is also the career high for this
power forward. He's done it two times, most recently in
April twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, a couple thirty fives in the front court. It's
gonna rule out that's like, that's not that thirty five
doesn't seem like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm I'm I might even let you on. I'm
gonna let you unlock a context lou after this one
because this one is really hard.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, these were I could.
Speaker 1: Put them into levels. So there's three things. There was
level one, level two, and level three.
Speaker 2: I'm struggling at all levels. Uh, it's not my like
BAM's had more, and that lineup keeps changing. Thirty five,
let's say, uh, it's not the sixers. We've got power
forward and center both at thirty five. Fairly recently, I'm
gonna say, I'm gonna say Phoenix.
Speaker 1: That is incorrect. Okay, this point guard's career high is
forty points. He's also done it twice, most recently this month.
Speaker 2: Oh hmmm, not San Antoio, not Houston, Dallas.
Speaker 1: Oh I did say I was gonna unlock the context cluing.
Oh yeah, because this is the hardest level. It's an
Eastern Conference team.
Speaker 2: All right, I mean eventually I'm just gonna like just
luck into it. One would think, uh, it hasn't happened yet.
How's about forty for the You said the point guard
had forty this month?
Speaker 1: Washington incorrect? Forty six points for six is the career
scoring high for this shooting guard, which he did in
February twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, let's see. Man, so he's the point guard
had forty though I'm still hung up on that, right, Yep,
it's not the man it's.
Speaker 1: So well, I guess I don't know if this will
this will be a fun context who it was not?
The scoring high did not come for this team. He
was on a different team when he got it, all.
Speaker 2: Right, that makes it a little that scrambles my brain
a little bit. I'm gonna say the Pistons. I'm not
sure why.
Speaker 1: Incorrect final guy. Forty nine points is the career scoring
high for this small forward who did it in January
twenty twenty. And your additional context clue here is at
the time he played for a Western Conference team.
Speaker 2: Who I mean, I've said a lot of eatern Conference
teams so far, although I can't remember which addition certain
teams for this is.
Speaker 1: This is why you're the perfect person for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, because I can't remember thirty seconds ago. Uh,
I kind of want I want to say Miami, even
though I dismissed that earlier.
Speaker 1: That is incorrect. It is the Toronto Raptors. U Yaka
Pearl had thirty five, Scotty Barnes thirty five, so.
Speaker 2: Probably thirty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i Q had forty, Barrett had forty six, and
then Brandon Ingram had forty nine when he was with
the Pelicans, gotcha.
Speaker 2: These are hard. There's there's too many. It's hard to
get anchored. Also, I think there's too much scoring in
the NBA, Dan, I think it's a problem. There's just that.
Speaker 1: You couldn't You couldn't believe that Scotty Barnes only dropped
thirty five.
Speaker 2: Like everybody else besides him. Besides him, he's disappointing. Everybody
else is scoring too much.
Speaker 1: Do you want to continue on to your next block
or would you prefer to save that for a different thing.
Speaker 2: I want to I want to do better, So I
want you to give me. Let's do it one more
and if I blow it again, we'll just we'll try
another day.
Speaker 1: Okay. Thirty points is the career scoring high for this
small forward who should play more power forward, which he
dropped October twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, thirty for us?
Speaker 1: You like how I gave you a little context clue there.
Speaker 2: That should play more and he did it this year, right,
you said October twenty five?
Speaker 1: Yep, this season small.
Speaker 2: Forward that should play more power forward. I'm a little
bit on tilt right now, so that's who should that be?
I mean, did Jaden McDaniels he should have more a
higher career high than that. I'm gonna say, Jadan, I'm
gonna say the wolves.
Speaker 1: Then you did it, you killed it. Look at that.
Speaker 2: That was that is Jade McDaniels you're talking about, right.
Speaker 1: That was correct? So it did? Was it the game away?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: With a small forwarder ship play power forward? So he
had thirty points.
Speaker 2: I can't believe he's only thirty.
Speaker 1: Thirty five points is the career high for Rudy Gobert.
So yeah, in the second one. Dante DiVincenzo had a
forty burger in March twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Would I would not remember that.
Speaker 1: I thought you would have gotten it here? Fifty five
points on January twenty twenty six for Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe what's Randal's career high fifty seven in March twenty
twenty three.
Speaker 2: I think that would have thrown me off. I yeah,
the only one. I'm surprised McDaniels has only topped out
at thirty. That's kind of wild to me. Go Bart
at thirty five. I kept like wanting the wolves when
you had We've had several centers at thirty five, and
I think maybe in Utah or something. He got there
just with like fourteen offensive rebounds or something. Okay, I
mean that's one to end on because I just smoked it.
Speaker 1: Well, so you have two more exercises left that are easy. Well,
I don't know if they should be easier.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing.
Speaker 1: I mean, you one shot killed it. That's impressive. Grant,
you need to guess the NBA's biggest bricklayers, who we
will define as statistically by volume and accuracy, the worst
shooters on unguarded three pointers this season. I want you
to name as many of the seven biggest bricklayers as
you can, but I will give you the teams that
they play for, Okay before you start. So there are
there's one member of the Houston Rockets, one member of
the Dallas Mavericks, one member of the Blazers, one member
of the Spurs, and three members of the Detroit Pistons.
Speaker 2: Okay, I had Pistons in my mind. Uh, all right.
So it's gonna be interesting to see where the volume
cutoff affects this. Because Kate Cunningham comes to mind. I
feel like he's missed a lot of open threes. Is
he one of the pistons.
Speaker 1: Uh he is, Kate is one, So you have one
of seven.
Speaker 2: All right, so we gotta go the next couple most
logical sar Thompson. Is there enough volume there to qualify?
Speaker 1: There is a sar Thompson two of seven.
Speaker 2: So then is Ron Holland the third piston.
Speaker 1: You swept the pistons all three of seven. And just
in case you're one. I don't know for anyone who
actually cares about this, but Kate Cunningham is the second
worst bricklayer in the league according to volume efficiency. Yeah,
just fun fact that he was the worst piston. But
that's level of that. That's actually a little surprising to me,
But I.
Speaker 2: Feel like that's a positive because those will fall eventually.
And then he goes and he's even better.
Speaker 1: So our three of seven, you have one Spur, one Blazer,
one MAV and one Rockets player.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the Rockets Stan and I assume this
is Aman Thompson because he's just the worst jump shooter
on planet Earth.
Speaker 1: You would correct you are four or four. You don't
even have a strike. You're supposed to get three strikes
for this. I don't know if you're gonna need them.
So one.
Speaker 2: Okay, the Spurs have a couple. I mean, so this
is where it's like, I don't know what the volume
requirement is. I know they're both in the I know
Castle and Harper are both in the high twenties. I'm
gonna assume Castle's volume counts for more. So I'll say,
Steph Castle.
Speaker 1: Incorrect strike one?
Speaker 2: Is it Harper?
Speaker 1: That is correct? Five of seven? With one strike? You
are in fuego right now?
Speaker 2: So we need a We need a mav You said,
what are the other two teams we need?
Speaker 1: There is one member of apparently I misspoke at the top,
one member of the MAVs. Wait, hold on here, one
member of the Hawks, one member of the Mavericks, and
one member of the Blazers.
Speaker 2: Hawks, MAVs, Blazers. All right, let's go Hawks. Who is
just bricking out there? Man? Is it Jalen Johnson? Is
he missing open threes?
Speaker 1: To incorrect? Strike two?
Speaker 2: Hm? You know? Do I want to stick with the
MAVs and keep guessing who's missing open I mean the Hawks?
Who's missing open threes? For the Hawks?
Speaker 1: I think this is the if you don't get this name,
this is the one that you will hate yourself for
if that helps at all.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, well, I mean I can think of everybody on
that team unless I'm totally Oh well, can I ask
is he still on the Hawks?
Speaker 1: Yes? He also happens to be the league's biggest brick layer.
Speaker 2: Oh ship the biggest. So I just have a blind spot.
Then I can't. I can't think of who this is?
Is it volume per game or total volume? Trying to
coax everything's total from this season? Total like this? Okay, man,
this is bad? Oh uh, Dyson Daniels.
Speaker 1: There you go. So you have one, two, three, four, five, six.
There's one name, but you have two chances to get
There's two names, but you have one. You only need
one of them because they're tied. Okay, So it's one
from the Blazers and one from the maps.
Speaker 2: For the Blazers. Oh is it shade sharp? Is it
enough volume there to get it?
Speaker 1: That is incorrect? Strike three? Okay, so Chris Murray and
then I didn't think you were gonna get Brandon Williams
from the maps?
Speaker 2: Would have been the time, wouldn't have got that one either. Man,
I'm satisfied with that. It seems like I'm better at
uh I'm more of a negative thinker. I'm better at
focusing on who's bad at stuff than in career high scoring.
Speaker 1: It would appear, well, would you like now it's that
you're gonna do the inverse of this though. Oh okay,
who are the NBA's most lethal dead eye three point shooters?
I'm asking you to name the tie. This is all
volume inefficiency. You have two from the Denver Nuggets, one
from the Hawks, one from the Grizzlies, one from the Warriors,
one from the Suns, and one from the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not gonna remember all those teams, so let's
just start with Denver, which is the first team you said.
It's so tricky because I don't know, we don't know.
I don't know what the volume requirements are here, and I.
Speaker 1: Know it's ever everyone in the league, while like we
I went through every team in the league, so everyone
can name. But you want to focus on someone who's
taken two unguarded three pointers is not going to guard it.
Speaker 2: The Nuggets have a few of those guys that are unguarded.
I wonder if is Aaron Gordon still up there enough
from that ten to three game to qualify here strike one.
Damn it, I'll say Jokic strike two. Oh no, do
we need to move off Denver?
Speaker 1: I will say one of one of the Nuggets is
in their starting lineup. The other nugget is when everyone's healthy,
is not a star?
Speaker 2: All right, Well, then I better say Jamal Murray.
Speaker 1: That is correct, and he is, by measure the most
accurate wide open three point shooter in the NBA.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's the tricky thing is is it can't
just be who's I gotta think wide open? All right?
So that was Denver. What's the next team?
Speaker 1: You don't want to try and guess the second name
on Denver?
Speaker 2: Oh uh, he's not a starter. No, I don't feel confident.
I don't want to burn my third strike. Give me,
give me the next team.
Speaker 1: You have one from the Hawks, one from the Grizzlies,
one from the Warriors, one from the Suns, and one
from the right.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, if it's not Steph on the Warriors, then
this exercise is invalid.
Speaker 1: Two of seven. Nice job.
Speaker 2: The Hawks have a deeply obvious player who I don't
know what he's shooting this year specifically, but I like
this is his whole deal. So ill Oh. But there's
another player on the Hawks that never misses corner threes
whose name is Tekuil Alexander Walker. I'm not gonna say
him because I want to say Luke Canard because that's
his whole deal. And your face is telling me I
should have gone the other way.
Speaker 1: That is strike three, nik kiel Alexander Walker for the Hawks. Yeah,
and then you had Tim Hardaway Junior for the Nuggets,
Cam Spencer from the Grizzlies. I thought you might have
gotten that one. Uh and nik Kill, by the way,
was three. That's the third most accurate.
Speaker 2: I tucked myself out of him. I shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1: Would you like to take a guess at who it
is for the Rockets?
Speaker 2: Wide open? Three? Is it is? It? Is it your guy?
Is it Reed Shepherd?
Speaker 1: That doesn't it is Reach Shepherd because Kevin Durant doesn't
really take unguarded threes?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I said Tim Hardaway Junior was the second Nuggets player, Steph,
you got and the final name would have been from
the Suns. Did you want to take a guess? Grayson Allen,
Colin Gillspie.
Speaker 2: You did name?
Speaker 1: Look you named it? Exciting white, so.
Speaker 2: Right, six to one happen to the other. Pretty good.
Speaker 1: You did really good on the brook brick layers.
Speaker 2: I was impressed better better on Missus than makes it
would appear.
Speaker 1: We have more. I have more stat padding, but that's
enough for We'll save it. That's enough. On the eclip
you did, these were hard. I thought these two exercises
were a little bit on the harder end, So good job.
Speaker 2: The career highs are are tough because there's I can't
I can't get anchored to anything I should I should
have done better. I should have Nikail Alexander Walker man
what never go against him? Never never, never assume anyone's better.
That was my mistater.
Speaker 1: Are you ready to take us out of here?
Speaker 2: Thanks everybody for listening, for watching. Hope you enjoyed another
edition of stat padding. Let us know what you think
of that. I mean the check the AI trades? Are
we in? Are we out?
Speaker 1: Do we like those?
Speaker 2: Because I would do those all day?
Speaker 1: Honestly, if I was the Knicks, I would seriously consider
doing that mcilbridge is one rather than the m calbridge
is one that they actually did.
Speaker 2: I think it would be great. What was the Julius Randall.
Speaker 1: Oh, that was Austin Reeves, right, Austin Reeves two first
round picks are Julius Randall, Gabe.
Speaker 2: Really good in there, pretty impressive. The Knicks pulled extra
first rounders out of thin air that they can trade.
Really good job by them. Good GM and Leon Rose
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it was for important purposes like proving that chat GPT
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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't use it to raise your children or anything
like that, which people do, uh, which Sam Altman does apparently.
Good good job by it.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine raising children without it personally. No, as
someone who doesn't have kids, I honestly I might now
have kids because chat GPT can raise them for me.
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right enough? Uh, just again, I want to bow to
the AI overlords that when they're in charge, this.
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