Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host. Cliff Dunning shared
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Speaker 4: For so another year comes to the end.
Speaker 5: We're wishing twenty twenty four a goodbye. Welcoming in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty five. Twenty twenty four was good. It was a
Speaker 5: good year for many of us. Like every year, it
Speaker 5: has its high points in its low points. But I'd
Speaker 5: say for Destiny and for Earth Ancients as a whole,
Speaker 5: and for me, Cliff Downing, your host of Destiny and
Speaker 5: of Earth Ancients, it.
Speaker 3: Was a good year.
Speaker 5: And a lot of great events happened, a lot of discoveries,
Speaker 5: a lot of news. Politically in the United States, some
Speaker 5: people may have thought it was a train wreck. Others
Speaker 5: are rejoicing for the return of Donald Trump. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I am at the point now where I'm like, let's
Speaker 5: wait and see rather than giving an opinion. It's like,
Speaker 5: wait and see, wait and see what happens. But this
Speaker 5: is not a political podcast, and I've never promoted any politician.
Speaker 2: As a rule, we just don't do that.
Speaker 5: So but hey, happy New Year. And I hope you're
Speaker 5: doing well on this holiday week. I want to mention
Speaker 5: that today's program is kind of highlights of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5: We're going to pick some of the better programs to discuss,
Speaker 5: but before I do that, we have some announcements for Destiny.
Speaker 5: Destiny's been the little sister of Earth Ancients since its
Speaker 5: inception in twenty twenty one, and the idea behind Destiny
Speaker 5: was that the Ancients, our ancestors, had a lot of
Speaker 5: wellness developed as they evolved. And when I say wellness,
Speaker 5: I'm talking about meditative practices, consciousness raising practices, body exercises
Speaker 5: that triggered hormonal releases, were benefits like yoga, like taichi,
Speaker 5: like stretching, and Destiny came out of Earth Ancients. Need
Speaker 5: to discuss those without making them Earth Ancients topics. So
Speaker 5: although we cross over and get into a lot of consciousness,
Speaker 5: a lot of wellness topics, and everything in between, it
Speaker 5: really is a standalone web podcast, it's a standalone podcast
Speaker 5: on a lot of levels. And because of that, in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five early I'm hoping in the verse month
Speaker 5: or two, we're releasing a website for Destiny. It's all
Speaker 5: things Destiny. It'll be the podcast itself and a way
Speaker 5: to listen to the older programs. It'll be a resource
Speaker 5: of content, products, services, references, consultations that you can go to.
Speaker 5: And they'll also be a whole section on the books
Speaker 5: as well as comments, articles and so forth and so on.
Speaker 5: So it's going to be a full service website that
Speaker 5: you would never see on the Earth ancients. So rather
Speaker 5: than letting Destiny kind of follow the back drop, a
Speaker 5: lot of you have been asking for more material, more resources,
Speaker 5: more content outside of just the podcast, and so our job,
Speaker 5: my team and myself, our job is to present the
Speaker 5: content in the form of an audio, and we will
Speaker 5: also have a YouTube channel where you can actually see
Speaker 5: and hear the that we have each week and get
Speaker 5: that sense of who they are as well as the audio. Now,
Speaker 5: the website again, we're going to be launching it probably
Speaker 5: at the end of January, if not sooner, and giving
Speaker 5: you a chance to comment on it. And that means
Speaker 5: that it's a whole social media aspect as well, which
Speaker 5: means it's gonna there's gonna be a Facebook page, there's
Speaker 5: going to be a probably an X page you formerly Twitter,
Speaker 5: and an Instagram page, because there's a lot of information
Speaker 5: that can be presented in the form of products, in
Speaker 5: the form of services, and a lot of you don't
Speaker 5: have access to this in your in your city or
Speaker 5: your state. Uh, there's certain certain parts of the country
Speaker 5: are more active in the wellness and the personal growth
Speaker 5: the conscious area than others, and so there should be
Speaker 5: access to everything that we have on this podcast Destiny.
Speaker 5: So if you if you don't find it on the website,
Speaker 5: you'll find it on Instagram, or you'll find it on Facebook,
Speaker 5: or you'll find it on X and so forth and
Speaker 5: so on. So we want to make as much available
Speaker 5: as possible and give you access to whoever's on the program,
Speaker 5: and that's you know, it's a big list of individuals.
Speaker 5: We have a once a week show every Wednesday, and
Speaker 5: it makes sense to have a website, and so I'm
Speaker 5: really excited about it. Mark Foster, who's in London, is
Speaker 5: working on it. We have the we have the basic lookdown,
Speaker 5: very very easy to navigate and of course resources and
Speaker 5: that takes a little more time, but the basic platform
Speaker 5: website will be up i'd say within thirty days and
Speaker 5: I'll make the announce when it does go up. So
Speaker 5: there you go. Twenty twenty five, we are recognizing Destiny
Speaker 5: as a important part of the First Ancients network. I
Speaker 5: always say Destiny is are our little sister, but it's
Speaker 5: really standalone. I mean, we have the best of the
Speaker 5: best on many of those programs, including all the topics
Speaker 5: we touch with. We touch on. So today's program is
Speaker 5: a taste of wellness, consciousness, paranormal, and we even threw
Speaker 5: a little bit of artificial intelligence in there, so just
Speaker 5: kind of sweeten it up. But I want to also
Speaker 5: mention that twenty twenty four is or was an important
Speaker 5: contributor to our ability to move beyond the mundane. And
Speaker 5: the mundane is what we're doing in the physical body,
Speaker 5: and the techniques are offered on Destiny should be a
Speaker 5: consideration of yours. If you are sedentary and you don't
Speaker 5: get up and move enough, think about yoga, think about
Speaker 5: taking a basic course. I don't go to a class
Speaker 5: anywhere after COVID because basically COVID shut all the group
Speaker 5: participation down because you couldn't really mingle. I continued on
Speaker 5: with my yoga practice, and I practice yoga maybe three
Speaker 5: or four times a week in the morning. If you
Speaker 5: don't have a stretching program. It is critical to staying well,
Speaker 5: to stay in mobile. I mean, as you get older,
Speaker 5: it's tougher to stretch, it's tougher to bend over. And
Speaker 5: when you sit half the day, you gain weight and
Speaker 5: you're less active and the body is like what are
Speaker 5: you doing? You got to get up and move. So
Speaker 5: I really urge you to think think about yoga. And
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter how old you are. If you're in
Speaker 5: your eighties and nineties and you're not that mobile, you
Speaker 5: can stretch in your chair. There's stretching exercises where you've
Speaker 5: been forward, you've been to the left, you've been to
Speaker 5: the right, you've been back. That can be enough for real,
Speaker 5: real wellness. And of course if you can stand, if
Speaker 5: you can walk, going beyond sitting and being immobile is critical.
Speaker 5: It's really important now. If yoga is not your thing,
Speaker 5: tai Chi is another excellent exercise. And of course we
Speaker 5: had recently somebody on the show talking about walking and
Speaker 5: walking is huge. It is huge. So make twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: You know, if you're into the resolutions for the new year,
Speaker 5: make movement one of those, because it's really going to
Speaker 5: help you in the long run, stay young, stay active mentally,
Speaker 5: physically and spiritually, and help you move forward into the
Speaker 5: new year. So with that being said, our program today
Speaker 5: is with a number of different authors. I think it
Speaker 5: was one, two, three, four, five, six different programs that
Speaker 5: we took highlights from and they are what I thought
Speaker 5: a good crossover of highlights. So today's program is Program
Speaker 5: Highlights for twenty twenty four and the guests are a
Speaker 5: variety of people that we've had, mostly authors, but there's
Speaker 5: some specialists as well, and Happy New Year. So in
Speaker 5: presenting Program Highlights from twenty twenty four, we're looking at
Speaker 5: impactful interviews that really highlight the human condition. And what
Speaker 5: does that mean. Human condition is we're physical beings. That's
Speaker 5: the number one thing we recognize that most of us
Speaker 5: are getting up. We want to make sure we're well.
Speaker 5: We don't want to be sick, and we are working,
Speaker 5: we're interacting, we're having relationships, we're having personal and professional
Speaker 5: success and problems, and so we want to highlight the
Speaker 5: programs the interviews that bring this all together. So we're
Speaker 5: talking physical, we're talking mental, spiritual, and beyond. And so
Speaker 5: this series of interviews were highlights that bring together everything
Speaker 5: that we present on destiny from different avenues, be it consciousness.
Speaker 5: We even have highlights from fasting, which is a big
Speaker 5: one for me, how to raise your frequency, spiritual experience, breathing,
Speaker 5: and so forth. So these are all this is kind
Speaker 5: of a s mortgageborg of some of the better presentations
Speaker 5: for the year twenty twenty four. We've had some fantastic
Speaker 5: guests who are speaking on spirituality religion, how the two intertwine,
Speaker 5: how a spiritual life may be different than a religious
Speaker 5: spiritual life, and what's the difference of the two. In
Speaker 5: this interview, we hear from Jonathan eller B and the
Speaker 5: information he provides in his book The Seven Gateways to
Speaker 5: Spiritual Experience. And I was very impressed in this description
Speaker 5: of what it means to be spiritual, how it integrates
Speaker 5: with current Western philosophy, as well as what I'm interested in,
Speaker 5: which is Eastern philosophy, Eastern religion if you want to
Speaker 5: call it, religion, and the spiritual practice that separates organized
Speaker 5: religion and Eastern religion. I think it's a great revelation
Speaker 5: for you to say this started at this young age,
Speaker 5: because you have accumulated up until now a lifetime of
Speaker 5: discovery where you're explaining, and you're exploring, and you're able
Speaker 5: to vocalize as a teacher and also as a minister
Speaker 5: this sacred life. And I'm curious talk a little bit
Speaker 5: about the different avenues of spirituality. And when I use
Speaker 5: the word avenues, we're more than a physical being. You've
Speaker 5: described that and we understand that. But is there a
Speaker 5: guidance through the unseeing side? Is there what they call
Speaker 5: spiritual helpers angels? Now we talk a lot on this
Speaker 5: program about the Akashak records, is that something we tap into.
Speaker 5: Talk a little a little bit about where this experience
Speaker 5: comes from, because it's not just you're tripping over and
Speaker 5: all of a sudden the sky opens in booming voices. Hello,
Speaker 5: this is Lord Jesus Christ or whoever. You know. Some
Speaker 5: people do have that too. But about the array, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Of avenues.
Speaker 3: So it's a great question and it reveals an important
Speaker 3: topic where people immediately begin to get confused about spirituality
Speaker 3: and the journey. And I think your question implies two
Speaker 3: different things. I'm going to try to briefly talk about
Speaker 3: them both. So the first is what are the vehicles? Like?
Speaker 3: How do we have these experiences? So I say something
Speaker 3: about that briefly, and then the other question is what
Speaker 3: is the territory, which is what are we experiencing? Like
Speaker 3: where does it come from? And the reason why I
Speaker 3: identify both these things is because unless you're naturally prone
Speaker 3: to spiritual experience on the guidance that you're talking about,
Speaker 3: you're gonna need to get in a vehicle to go. So,
Speaker 3: so to use the metaphor, it's like some people can
Speaker 3: just walk and they travel the territory, they're just there, Yeah,
Speaker 3: But most of us have to get on a horse
Speaker 3: or get in a car or a boat or a
Speaker 3: plane and then explore the landscape. And I encourage people
Speaker 3: to think about it like that because in terms of vehicles,
Speaker 3: I recommend that people consider teachers, practices, philosophies, and experiences.
Speaker 3: These four things ultimately comprise your spiritual path. If you
Speaker 3: want to make a path. Okay, so that's you have
Speaker 3: some teacher, like an individual or small group of individuals
Speaker 3: that you learn from practices that would be things like yoga, meditation,
Speaker 3: a Bible study, sweat lodge, right philosophy, the body of
Speaker 3: knowledge that comes out of those teachers and practices, and
Speaker 3: then your lived experience can't all just be handed to you. Now,
Speaker 3: if you don't have a religious tradition or a spiritual tradition,
Speaker 3: and they usually have all these tied up in a
Speaker 3: bow for you, then I say, for anyone listening to
Speaker 3: your shelf, you don't know where to begin, or you
Speaker 3: just kind of do this part of me, You just
Speaker 3: do this shit on your own. You really need to
Speaker 3: pick at least one of these three teacher practice philosophy
Speaker 3: and commit to it for a period of time, or
Speaker 3: you're never gonna get up the mountain. Right if you
Speaker 3: don't pick a teacher and stick with them, pick a
Speaker 3: practice and stick with it, pick a philosophy and stick
Speaker 3: with it. It would kind of be like you go to
Speaker 3: a parking lot of a beautiful hike that leads up
Speaker 3: the summit of a low mountain, and there's several trails
Speaker 3: to get to the top, and you walk up one,
Speaker 3: and then twenty minutes later you're like, I like this trail,
Speaker 3: I'm going back to the parking lot. I'm gonna check
Speaker 3: the map and pick a different one, and then you
Speaker 3: go ten minutes up the next one you're like, that's
Speaker 3: too steep, and then you go back down and the
Speaker 3: day's over. And you've gone nowhere. You spend a lot
Speaker 3: of time in the parking lot. So that's most people
Speaker 3: on the spiritual journey today. But there is something up.
Speaker 3: So we've just talked about the vehicles, but then there's
Speaker 3: the territory. And to the other side of your question,
Speaker 3: I absolutely believe, for lack of a better word, there's
Speaker 3: something out there that is not us. It is not psychological,
Speaker 3: it is not a projection, it is not neurological. Although
Speaker 3: when we interact with this other dimension or these other
Speaker 3: dimensions of our reality, it registers neurologically. It impacts us psychologically,
Speaker 3: and we see in the modern medical and scientific community
Speaker 3: a lot of struggle trying to understand which is the
Speaker 3: tale and which is the dog. And interesting if you
Speaker 3: look at the work, for example, of Andrew Neuberg, acclaimed neuroscientist.
Speaker 3: Even he you know, rigorous education, high Ivy League associations,
Speaker 3: even he is quick to say, no, we cannot prove
Speaker 3: that this is all generated in the brain. When we
Speaker 3: measure the brain. When someone is seeing a spirit, it
Speaker 3: actually registers the same way as when someone sees their
Speaker 3: friend arrive or a dog walk by. It doesn't look
Speaker 3: like we're creating this the imagination center is not engaged.
Speaker 3: Frontal lobes shutdown. It is like literally the same as
Speaker 3: meeting a person. So, yes, there is another dimension out there,
Speaker 3: and we can be guided by it. We should be
Speaker 3: guided by it. It must inform our spiritual journey or
Speaker 3: otherwise we are doing nothing other than living in relationship
Speaker 3: to humans and human teachings.
Speaker 6: And I think that.
Speaker 3: Is a very are to me, but a very narrow
Speaker 3: spiritual life, a very shallow kind of experience of what's possible.
Speaker 5: Talk briefly about the spiritual life as it compares to
Speaker 5: a religious life. Somebody who is adherent to the Bible,
Speaker 5: who follows the guidance of their minister, their rabbi, their priest,
Speaker 5: and somebody else who may not consider a religious life
Speaker 5: a spiritual life. What's the difference.
Speaker 3: So a popular answer to this question today, and I'll
Speaker 3: try to be brief, but a popular answer is cynical,
Speaker 3: and it is to say, you know, religious people are
Speaker 3: trying to teach you how to live, and spiritual people
Speaker 3: are people who are living. You know, stuff like that
Speaker 3: idea that if you're religious, you're somehow missing the boat.
Speaker 3: Religious people talk about hell and spiritual people have been
Speaker 3: through it, you know, this kind of thing. I think
Speaker 3: that's a bunch of garbage. I think there's all kinds
Speaker 3: of people that are quote spiritual, that are full of
Speaker 3: it and are self deceiving and egocentric and making shit
Speaker 3: up as they go. And I think there's all kinds
Speaker 3: of religious people that are profoundly connected and incredibly wise
Speaker 3: and loving and the opposite, right, all kinds of horrific.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even know if I can talk
Speaker 3: about this on your show. I don't want to be
Speaker 3: too controversial. I mean, Donald Trump is coming out with
Speaker 3: a Bible that he's endorsing because it's got, you know,
Speaker 3: documents in it that support his agenda. I mean, give
Speaker 3: me a break. Like, there's all kinds of people that
Speaker 3: manipulate and waste the power of religion. Of course, people
Speaker 3: have abused religion forever, and the same is true of spirituality.
Speaker 3: And yes, spirituality is also powerful. It's essential to healing.
Speaker 3: It's a part of who we are. So my answer
Speaker 3: to your question is that it has to do with
Speaker 3: the placement of spiritual experience. I think in the religious life,
Speaker 3: what we see is that the teachers, the practices, and
Speaker 3: the philosophies. As I talked about earlier, they come first,
Speaker 3: and if you have an experience, well good for you.
Speaker 3: We hope you feel something in church. We hope you
Speaker 3: feel something in synagogue. We hope you feel something at
Speaker 3: the mosque. Now, don't try to run the place. Don't
Speaker 3: go telling everyone about it. You're not in charge, right.
Speaker 3: We got the teachers, we got the teaching, we got
Speaker 3: the practices, and hopefully you'll feel something in there. In spirituality,
Speaker 3: I believe it's flipped, so we are driven by experience,
Speaker 3: we're driven by the personal call. Typically people who say
Speaker 3: they live a spiritual life are referring to something that
Speaker 3: is intimate, that is personal, that is active and meaningful,
Speaker 3: and it may have expression in a religious community and
Speaker 3: it may not. But whether a person is religious or
Speaker 3: not spiritual as their focus or not, I think what
Speaker 3: drives the difference is the personal journey, the idea that
Speaker 3: the religion just serves the journey, versus the religious life
Speaker 3: where the religion is the journey. And that's of course
Speaker 3: where it gets all messed up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's funny too. When I was younger, I
Speaker 5: started meditating when I was eighteen.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 5: It was trained Maharishi mesh Yogi, the transcendental meditation phenomenon.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah. But my father was very devout and when I
Speaker 5: explained it to him, he was very angry with me.
Speaker 5: And he was a teacher, and what he had understood
Speaker 5: is that when you meditate, you enhanced the body, mind
Speaker 5: and spirit. But also since that time, they've come out
Speaker 5: with scientific studies that the two brains left and right
Speaker 5: unify themselves. It's extremely helpful healing, and there's other benefits
Speaker 5: that are coming up to But for me and for
Speaker 5: many others, it's the experience of opening to the possibilities.
Speaker 5: And for some reason, this is a challenge even today
Speaker 5: for Orthodoxy and religious Orthodoxy because in some ways I
Speaker 5: think that they feel that you are being empowered to
Speaker 5: a degree where you're a god like and that's blasphemy.
Speaker 5: So as a minister, although it's in your inner faith,
Speaker 5: and I don't know that entailed, but talk a little
Speaker 5: bit about using these Eastern philosophies that are ancient, tens
Speaker 5: of thousands of years old, and how they open us
Speaker 5: and should be used today to experience what you call
Speaker 5: the sacred.
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, I'm making that's a lot, Jonathan, I
Speaker 3: got it.
Speaker 7: I got it.
Speaker 3: I got so good.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at your face like, okay, dude, what are
Speaker 5: you talking about now?
Speaker 3: No, I love this. And once again I'm going to
Speaker 3: start by answering a question that's implied in your question,
Speaker 3: So if you don't mind, start there, and then i'll
Speaker 3: get into the Eastern piece. The first thing that you
Speaker 3: addressed is that there's this and I would call it weird, right,
Speaker 3: there's this weird tendency in religious communities to be fearful
Speaker 3: of spiritual experience. They like it if it's contained, they
Speaker 3: like it if it serves their mission, but they're terrified
Speaker 3: if it challenges them. And I think there's a few
Speaker 3: basic things going on that I love to name for
Speaker 3: people so they can understand what they see. The first
Speaker 3: is a phenom a sociological phenomena through you know, anthropology
Speaker 3: and sociology we've studied and we know happens all over
Speaker 3: the world and has happened throughout time, which is when
Speaker 3: a new movement emerges, such as a spiritual movement. Let's
Speaker 3: just use Christianity as an example. It is profoundly common,
Speaker 3: like almost universal, not universal, but it's pretty common for
Speaker 3: the human animal to vilify or demonize whatever movement we
Speaker 3: are moving away from. So it's not enough to say
Speaker 3: we found the gospel. There's an incredible teacher on the
Speaker 3: planet named Jesus, or or the spirit of Jesus came back,
Speaker 3: and we're living a new way. I mean, that's miraculous
Speaker 3: to me. I think that's wonderful. I have no problem
Speaker 3: with that. But see what humans do with it is then,
Speaker 3: and we do this with cars and music and politics. Then,
Speaker 3: instead of being okay with just saying this is what
Speaker 3: I believe, now, we make what I used to believe,
Speaker 3: or what's around me, or what my neighbors do, we
Speaker 3: make that bad or dangerous. Don't talk to them, don't
Speaker 3: be near them, They're gonna damn you forever. Right. That
Speaker 3: sets the stage for all kinds of human atrocities. I'll
Speaker 3: just leave it at that. The next dimension of why
Speaker 3: I think we see this phenomena of why the religious
Speaker 3: are fearful of change or outside influence or spiritual experience,
Speaker 3: is another human frailty, which is control an egoism, which
Speaker 3: is everywhere again. Car dealers are like that, chefs are
Speaker 3: like that, parents are like that, And that is simply
Speaker 3: to say we want to keep people in our seats
Speaker 3: and we don't want them going to other seats. We
Speaker 3: want people to be a part of our crew, not
Speaker 3: another crew. But here's the last thing, and I think
Speaker 3: you touched on it. It sets the stage for talking
Speaker 3: about Eastern tradition. I think that in recent generations we've
Speaker 3: seen a political co opting of this consciousness, which is
Speaker 3: to say that we want the minds of people. And
Speaker 3: I don't know that it's explicit. I don't believe that
Speaker 3: this is a conspiracy. Personally, I think it's happened unconsciously.
Speaker 3: But we like people complacent, we like people predictable. We
Speaker 3: like to focus on normalization and standards. We don't want
Speaker 3: to be running people through schools where you know, and
Speaker 3: it's starting to happen anyway. We don't want to run
Speaker 3: schools where diversity is celebrated and where kids are tripping
Speaker 3: out and where people understand that reality is negotiable. What
Speaker 3: kind of a society would that be?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 3: It appears that it might be impossible to run a
Speaker 3: country or an economy if there isn't a predictable paradigm
Speaker 3: or a predictive perceptive reality. In other words, idea of
Speaker 3: reality that we all agree on. But see, the problem
Speaker 3: is we don't all agree on reality, and moving to
Speaker 3: your next point or to your main question. We are
Speaker 3: influenced by cultures from all over the world and they
Speaker 3: show us again and again that reality is different for
Speaker 3: different people. The Eastern traditions in particular, now going specifically
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 7: Have been.
Speaker 3: Not entirely, but we could generalize and say there's been
Speaker 3: a very large focus in what I would call the mystical.
Speaker 3: The mystical meaning that each individual can cultivate an expansion
Speaker 3: of consciousness, that we can transcend ordinary identity and even
Speaker 3: ordinary reality. Right is built on the concept that all
Speaker 3: form is formless, and formlessness is form. What the heck
Speaker 3: does that mean? That there's a great mystery, that there
Speaker 3: is some unable intangible that is actually running the show.
Speaker 3: And through meditation and other similar practices, we can not
Speaker 3: only glimpse that, but we can even ultimately, in the
Speaker 3: case of enlightenment or Satori or somebodi, we can even
Speaker 3: merge with it. And when we return to our lives,
Speaker 3: we are empowered because we understand the power of mind,
Speaker 3: the power of present moment, and interestingly, and maybe I'll
Speaker 3: just stop there, because there's a lot to say to
Speaker 3: say about the gifts of different traditions, including the West.
Speaker 3: But interestingly, in my years of study and work, some
Speaker 3: of the most influential wise impactful Christian leaders that I've known,
Speaker 3: and Jewish leaders that I've known for that matter, have
Speaker 3: been open to Eastern traditions.
Speaker 5: One of the constant themes on destiny is self esteem, cultivating, developing,
Speaker 5: and dealing with growth self esteem. Growth. Without good self esteem,
Speaker 5: we don't think of ourselves very highly, we don't have
Speaker 5: good relationships, we don't do well in life as a
Speaker 5: general rule. And in this interview with Blake Bauer, who
Speaker 5: is an ex punk rock musician, we learn what it
Speaker 5: is to cultivate self esteem, and we also learn why
Speaker 5: we should be thinking about this all the time in
Speaker 5: our interactions with others. His book is You Were Not
Speaker 5: Born to Suffer. And here's an excerpt from that interview
Speaker 5: that leads me to my next topic, which is self esteem. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you have a chapter called Healing Guilt, shame, and Insecurity,
Speaker 5: which leads to self esteem. And I'd like you to
Speaker 5: talk a little bit about how we nurture our self
Speaker 5: esteem and of course your book provides excellent affirmations and
Speaker 5: tools for nurturing self esteem, but I'd like for you
Speaker 5: to talk to the listeners about some of the technique
Speaker 5: perhaps that you've found are the best and most beneficial.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely so, thanks clip So that's the perfect segue
Speaker 8: from what I just said before. So to me, the
Speaker 8: most important insight when it comes to self esteem and
Speaker 8: confidence is understanding this idea of trusting yourself and valuing
Speaker 8: yourself and how do I do that practically? And so
Speaker 8: if someone's listening and they feel like they struggle with
Speaker 8: their sense of self esteem and self worth, the most
Speaker 8: important thing to understan stand is that we got here
Speaker 8: because early on we never learned to feel and believe
Speaker 8: that we were worthy and that we mattered, okay, And practically,
Speaker 8: how that shows up is because basically we repeat our
Speaker 8: habits every day and that's how we get to where
Speaker 8: we are. And so the habit that leads to bad
Speaker 8: self esteem and poor self worth is saying to yourself,
Speaker 8: I don't matter or I'm not worthy. And how that
Speaker 8: plays out is when you say my feelings don't matter,
Speaker 8: my needs don't matter, my preferences, or my calling doesn't matter.
Speaker 8: And so a lot of times, in relationships and throughout
Speaker 8: our life, a lot of us are living on a
Speaker 8: day to day basis where we internalize, repress, reject our feelings,
Speaker 8: We internalize, repress, reject our needs, We internalize, repress, reject
Speaker 8: our calling or our desires, either because we're just not
Speaker 8: aware of them right we're on auto pirate, or we're
Speaker 8: afraid to talk about him, or we have never learned
Speaker 8: the tools to talk about them effectively and we don't
Speaker 8: want to make a mess. You know, we're self conscious
Speaker 8: about even beginning the conversation. And so when you feel
Speaker 8: something and you don't express it, you're betraying yourself. When
Speaker 8: you need something and you don't express it, you're betraying yourself.
Speaker 8: When you feel called or passionate about something, but you're
Speaker 8: always stopping yourself out of fear, you're betraying yourself, which
Speaker 8: means you're hurting yourself with all these habits. Okay, and
Speaker 8: then the other thing that comes in the same theme
Speaker 8: is that when you don't train your mind and your
Speaker 8: mind is running all over the place every day, you're
Speaker 8: betraying yourself. You are hurting yourself because you're allowing your
Speaker 8: mind and your thoughts to just do whatever, and you're
Speaker 8: the victim of those unhealthy thoughts. So you know, Cliff,
Speaker 8: if I was your brother and I betrayed you and
Speaker 8: hurt you on a daily basis, would you trust me?
Speaker 5: No? Would you like me? It depends because there's friends
Speaker 5: that you like so to a certain level, and then
Speaker 5: you have people that you love which you think, well,
Speaker 5: love one So it'd be tough. So I don't god,
Speaker 5: i'd be it'd be tough.
Speaker 8: And if I was abusive to you, but you're traying
Speaker 8: you on a daily basis, right, it'd be hard to
Speaker 8: like me, right and hard to trust me right. So
Speaker 8: I'm drawing this out because this is actually the relationship
Speaker 8: that most of us have with ourselves. We abuse ourselves,
Speaker 8: We allow ourselves to be mistreated, We reject and betray
Speaker 8: our true feelings and our true needs and our true
Speaker 8: calling too much on a daily basis, and so that
Speaker 8: the result of that is me feeling like I don't
Speaker 8: have a lot of value. But also I don't trust myself,
Speaker 8: and a lot of self esteem has to do with
Speaker 8: trusting yourself and valuing yourself. So then the question is okay, well,
Speaker 8: I see I don't value myself because I keep letting
Speaker 8: myself be mistreated. I'm abusing myself, I'm rechecking my true self.
Speaker 8: So how do I change this? While the key is
Speaker 8: to learn how to start being your own best friend,
Speaker 8: being good to yourself, being loving to yourself in the
Speaker 8: present as a practice, just like transcendental meditation. Right, it's
Speaker 8: like twenty minutes a day, twice a day.
Speaker 5: It's a practice.
Speaker 8: Learning to love yourself and have a healthy relationship to
Speaker 8: yourself is a practice that you have to practice throughout
Speaker 8: the day every day, from the moment you wake up
Speaker 8: to the moment you go to bed. And every time
Speaker 8: you express what you're really feeling, every time you express
Speaker 8: what you need, every time you act in integrity with
Speaker 8: your inner calling, your instinct, your intuition, what's really going
Speaker 8: on inside of you, you start to trust yourself again
Speaker 8: and you're telling yourself just a little bit more that
Speaker 8: day that you are worthy, you matter, you're valuable, and
Speaker 8: over time you rebuild trust in yourself. It's just like
Speaker 8: let's say you've been married to someone for twenty years
Speaker 8: and you have kids and you have this life together,
Speaker 8: and one of you really fucks up and betrays the
Speaker 8: other one. Right, there are a lot of certain situations
Speaker 8: where in that marriage they will work to come back
Speaker 8: together and try and trust each other again because they
Speaker 8: have built so much together that they don't want to
Speaker 8: lose it all right, Yeah, and that's kind of like
Speaker 8: our relationship to ourself is like you have been with
Speaker 8: yourself for decades.
Speaker 5: And you can't get rid of yourself.
Speaker 8: You can't reverse yourself, even if you would like to write.
Speaker 8: Then the question is how do I rebuild trust? I
Speaker 8: have to hear this, and so to rebuild self esteem,
Speaker 8: to rebuild confidence, to rebuild trust in yourself, you have
Speaker 8: to learn to be good to yourself, to be your
Speaker 8: own best friend, practically from the moment you wake up
Speaker 8: to the moment you go to bed, and so out
Speaker 8: of my work, that's what I focus on helping people
Speaker 8: understand is what I learned the hard way, how you
Speaker 8: actually do that? And so, for example, taking care of
Speaker 8: your mind is one of those secrets, because if you
Speaker 8: don't take care of your mind and train it, you'll
Speaker 8: never trust yourself fully. How can you have full self
Speaker 8: esteem and self confidence if your mind is all over
Speaker 8: a place and you don't trust your thinking and you
Speaker 8: don't trust your reactions, and you don't trust your perception
Speaker 8: on reality, you can't have strong self esteem, right. So
Speaker 8: that's the key is to learn how to take really
Speaker 8: good care of yourself in the present, and then you're
Speaker 8: rebuilding trust on a daily basis.
Speaker 5: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 5: Destiny Program highlights from twenty twenty four. We'll be right back.
Speaker 5: Today's podcast features highlights from twenty twenty four. These are
Speaker 5: topics that cover physical, mental, and spiritual wellness, cultivation and
Speaker 5: how we can live this human experience in harmony. Let's
Speaker 5: bring in a tool, because each chapter ends with a
Speaker 5: series of tools. Wy don't you give us a suggestion
Speaker 5: for an affirmation for self esteem? Okay, beautiful, I think
Speaker 5: it'd be great. Give us you know how we proceed,
Speaker 5: how we would use an affirmation to begin building self esteem.
Speaker 5: Absolutely so.
Speaker 8: I'm sure most people who wristsen are familiar with affirmations
Speaker 8: and an affirmation.
Speaker 5: To refresh our memory. Just for the for those who
Speaker 5: don't use affirmations, yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 8: Affirmations tend to be a positive or healthy thought or
Speaker 8: phrase that are typically a higher vibration than a lot
Speaker 8: of the other limiting beliefs and thoughts that we think
Speaker 8: on a daily basis. So like a lot of people
Speaker 8: might might think a thought and they're not even aware
Speaker 8: of it, like I'm not worthy of love, right, or
Speaker 8: I'm not good enough right, which then drives I need
Speaker 8: to go shopping so I can be good enough negative
Speaker 8: affirmation exactly, And we're we're very good at that, right.
Speaker 8: And then the other thing we do a lot is
Speaker 8: we have a lot of fear or so we also
Speaker 8: wary a lot, right, And we all realize that worry
Speaker 8: plays out on thoughts. And there's a saying, I'm sure
Speaker 8: you've heard that I love, which is that you know,
Speaker 8: worrying is like praying for what you don't want, right,
Speaker 8: So affirmations help you pray for what you want. Affirmations
Speaker 8: help you pray for how you want to feel right
Speaker 8: and how you want to be. And then the other
Speaker 8: thing is is that when you wake up in the morning,
Speaker 8: your brain starts to fire off thoughts, right, and those
Speaker 8: thoughts are typically based on your conditioning. And we wake
Speaker 8: up and a lot of us start thinking like, oh man,
Speaker 8: what I got to do today. I'm so stressed, I'm
Speaker 8: so anxious. I got a zillion things to do, And
Speaker 8: so that's causing parts of your brain to fire that
Speaker 8: are tied to fear and to stress, and when that happens,
Speaker 8: your body starts producing unhealthy chemicals like birds.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 8: So when you start using affirmation, which means intentionally and
Speaker 8: consciously choosing positive thoughts, healthier thoughts, you're also starting to
Speaker 8: activate parts of your brain that have atrophied or that
Speaker 8: are not fully switched on. And so when you start
Speaker 8: to ding an affirmation like I am worthy of healthy love,
Speaker 8: where I am worthy of kindness and respect is a
Speaker 8: really good one. I am worthy of kindness and respect.
Speaker 8: Just saying that thought to yourself turns on a part
Speaker 8: of your brain that has been off, and that part
Speaker 8: of your brain starts to release serotonin and dopamine.
Speaker 5: Breath work is always interesting, Holo Traphic breathwork and breathing
Speaker 5: has always been a big one. There's different techniques and
Speaker 5: we had a author on the program, Francesca Simpa, discussing
Speaker 5: her new book on breath work and the Benefits of
Speaker 5: working through your life Purpose, which is the title of
Speaker 5: her book, unlocking your life purpose. And this is a
Speaker 5: segment of that interview where Francesca is highlighting how she
Speaker 5: clears her blockages and her life purpose and opens to
Speaker 5: and it opens to more access and opens more access
Speaker 5: to her life purpose through these breathwork techniques. In your experience,
Speaker 5: what would you say is the percentage of people who
Speaker 5: are doing what their life purpose is versus those who
Speaker 5: are stuck in a job or in a lifestyle that
Speaker 5: is manufactured. Perhaps the parents suggested it and they went
Speaker 5: through life following their parents' guidance. I think a lot
Speaker 5: of people do this, by the way, Yes I'll go
Speaker 5: to school. Yes, mom and dad, I'll be a doctor. Yes,
Speaker 5: mom and dad, I'll get this kind of job. And
Speaker 5: they're miserable. Yeah, but talk a bit about in your
Speaker 5: experience now, since you've launched Mastery, people who are in
Speaker 5: the right place.
Speaker 9: I mean, that's a pretty depressing statistic. If you're going
Speaker 9: to make me put a number on it, the amount
Speaker 9: of people who are actually living their life purpose, I
Speaker 9: would say less than ten percent. But the really important
Speaker 9: piece to that is that nothing is wasted what you're
Speaker 9: doing right now, the occupation that you've chosen. There's a
Speaker 9: reason for that. So I don't want anyone to feel
Speaker 9: down on themselves right now and to feel like they've
Speaker 9: lost time, because that's not true either. Whatever job you've
Speaker 9: chosen right now has given you a set of skills,
Speaker 9: has given you relationships, has given you a network, has
Speaker 9: given you experience, and a lot of that is going
Speaker 9: to be transferable, and a lot of that also has
Speaker 9: clues into the next level or the next path that
Speaker 9: you're meant to pursue. I had a long career in
Speaker 9: advertising and marketing, and none of that has been wasted.
Speaker 9: I used all of that knowledge to build my personal brand.
Speaker 9: I've used all of that to build the brand for Mastery,
Speaker 9: and all of those colleagues, a lot of them have
Speaker 9: started my breathwork journey with me, coming to my community classes.
Speaker 9: A lot of those people have become investors in my company.
Speaker 9: So nothing is wasted where you are now, but there's
Speaker 9: just an opportunity for you to find more fulfillment in
Speaker 9: what you do next.
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 5: You haven't talked about the higher self or the soul
Speaker 5: and how they influence our decision making. Will you say
Speaker 5: that through your breath work technique, that you're having more
Speaker 5: of communication with this higher level of your consciousness, which
Speaker 5: I call either the higher self or the soul.
Speaker 9: Great question, Yeah, breath is that direct connection to the
Speaker 9: high your version of yourself. So what is happening physiologically
Speaker 9: is you're changing the balance of oxygen and carbon dioxide
Speaker 9: in your body. What that does is it starts to
Speaker 9: quiet down the default mode network or what I consider
Speaker 9: the ego. That's the really loud mental chatter, that's the
Speaker 9: protective mechanisms, that's the analytical mind. And you start to
Speaker 9: expand your consciousness and you activate different regions of the brain.
Speaker 9: You go into your subconscious, and your subconscious is the storehouse.
Speaker 9: That's where all of your memories, everything that's inspired you,
Speaker 9: your beliefs, your values, your emotions, everything lives in your subconscious.
Speaker 9: So breath takes you to this more expansive place where
Speaker 9: you have more options, you have more possibilities, you have
Speaker 9: more visions, you have more downloads. And the interesting thing
Speaker 9: that starts to happen is when we play the right
Speaker 9: music and when we say the right cues. You know,
Speaker 9: if I said to you Cliff in a song for
Speaker 9: you know, I want you to see the highest version
Speaker 9: of your life. I want you to see your dream home.
Speaker 9: I want you to see the travel, I want you
Speaker 9: to see your family. You will all of a sudden
Speaker 9: get these pictures. And the really cool thing is, I
Speaker 9: feel like there's a really beautiful distinction between visualization and
Speaker 9: visioning because visualization we sort of curate that image. And again,
Speaker 9: when you're breathing and you're visualizing, the defenses and the
Speaker 9: doubt and what you can create are down and then
Speaker 9: you have this opportunity to see something bigger. But when
Speaker 9: you're visioning, that's a download from the universe. That's just
Speaker 9: like this picture that gets dropped down and you're like, oh, whoa,
Speaker 9: I didn't know that was the north Star and now
Speaker 9: I had this clarity of where I'm going. I can
Speaker 9: give you a specific example to help paint that picture.
Speaker 9: You know, when I started breathwork coaching, I've always been
Speaker 9: pretty ambitious, So I was like, all right, if I'm
Speaker 9: going to become a breathwork coach, I'm going to be
Speaker 9: on Goop. I'm going to do sessions for Gwyneth Paltrow,
Speaker 9: Reese Witherspoon, Jenea on a stand. I'm gonna go to
Speaker 9: This is like going to be my clients hell and
Speaker 9: I would do breathwork and it was like, no, You're
Speaker 9: going on a book tour and I was like, whoa,
Speaker 9: I'm an author. So that was a vision that I
Speaker 9: got from breathwork before I really started writing or I
Speaker 9: even had plans to put a book out into the world.
Speaker 9: That vision came through, and then I knew exactly where
Speaker 9: I was going that I wasn't meant to be the
Speaker 9: you know, the celebrity breathwork coach. I was actually meant
Speaker 9: to write a book.
Speaker 5: I think we all aspire for the celebrity support and acknowledgment,
Speaker 5: but that's not always realistic, I think.
Speaker 1: Is what you're.
Speaker 9: Suggesting manifesting from your ego versus your soul.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, very good talk about the dynamics of breath
Speaker 5: work and what happens when we breathe in a certain manner.
Speaker 5: What is access number one, what is cleared number two?
Speaker 5: And number three? How it sustains you.
Speaker 9: So breathwork always finds the highest emotional charge and that's
Speaker 9: a little terrifying because you can't hide from the breath.
Speaker 9: So I have a lot of clients come in and
Speaker 9: they're like, you know, I'm really frustrated with my wife today.
Speaker 9: She really triggered me. And then we'll go into breathwork
Speaker 9: and they'll see the seven year old boy whose mom
Speaker 9: is reprimanding him and feels alone.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 9: So it always finds the highest emotional charge. Or I'll
Speaker 9: have clients that are like, you know, I'm really pissed
Speaker 9: off at my boss, and then they'll see infidelity and
Speaker 9: their breath work and they're actually feeling ashamed of themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 9: So breath always finds what is lingering most loud in
Speaker 9: your body, that's blocking your energy. So that is something
Speaker 9: that's always fascinated me, and even as someone who thought
Speaker 9: I was extremely self aware, even recently, I'll share a
Speaker 9: personal story with you, Cliff. You know, I came off
Speaker 9: a week of a grind on this book launch. You know,
Speaker 9: I was in like seven cities in two weeks. I
Speaker 9: was extremely exhausted by the time I got home, and
Speaker 9: I was convinced that my partner was not being supportive enough,
Speaker 9: and I was so mad at him. I was like,
Speaker 9: can't you have more patience with me? Couldn't you just
Speaker 9: have like dinner ready? Like don't you know I need sleep?
Speaker 9: Like oh, my god, what couldn't he be so not
Speaker 9: understanding of my schedule? Like, what is his problem? I
Speaker 9: was one hundred percent sure that he was the problem.
Speaker 9: I went into breathwork the next morning and I saw
Speaker 9: and I was bawling because this reflection and revelation was
Speaker 9: so enlightening to me. But I was like, I'm the problem.
Speaker 9: I have completely deprioritized my relationship because of this book launch.
Speaker 9: I have put him on the back burner. I have
Speaker 9: not showed up, and now I'm expecting more from him,
Speaker 9: but I'm giving less. And I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 9: I'm in the wrong. And I couldn't believe it, Cliff,
Speaker 9: I couldn't believe I was the one in the flock.
Speaker 9: That's what breath does is it gets to the truth.
Speaker 9: It gets to your most authentic truth, and you can
Speaker 9: never escape the real emotion that's really residing in your body.
Speaker 9: So that's one thing that I just really love about it.
Speaker 9: And that's why I also think that you have to
Speaker 9: do it consistently, because even somebody who's been breathing every
Speaker 9: day for five years, I'm still coming up against areas
Speaker 9: where I'm wrong and my conscious mind is, you know,
Speaker 9: disconnected to my subconscious motivations. So while you can definitely
Speaker 9: have cathartic releases that are life changing in one session,
Speaker 9: which I've had several of those, and they've changed a
Speaker 9: behavior pattern from one trigger being dissolved or one revelation
Speaker 9: being just completely exposed from the route. I have to
Speaker 9: do this consistently, which is why I built the app,
Speaker 9: because I know we all need to do this consistently
Speaker 9: because there's been too much conditioning, there's been too many
Speaker 9: stories or expectations from our parents or society or brainwashing
Speaker 9: that we have to do this work every single morning,
Speaker 9: every single day, take action from that place in order
Speaker 9: for the results to really last.
Speaker 5: Now, you just said something that I was going to
Speaker 5: ask you, and that is that this is a daily
Speaker 5: practice that you're suggesting you cannot skip a day, a
Speaker 5: week or whatever and come back to it.
Speaker 9: It's like working out, you know. I say this to
Speaker 9: my athletes all the time. I'm like, would you work
Speaker 9: out one time and expect to be physically fit? Yeah,
Speaker 9: these are muscles that you have to exercise, and we're
Speaker 9: developing them and we're building them. We're building our intuition,
Speaker 9: we're building our self trust, we're building our self worth.
Speaker 9: So twenty minutes every morning. I've made it as short
Speaker 9: as I possibly can, and I recommend doing it first
Speaker 9: thing when you wake up.
Speaker 5: Understanding our energy field, our frequency has been a big
Speaker 5: one for many of our authors and a theme that
Speaker 5: we've carried over on Destiny for most of the year.
Speaker 5: And what's important is to understand that we're not just
Speaker 5: our brains, we're also frequencies. We're living energy fields. And
Speaker 5: when you raise your frequency, raise your you can call
Speaker 5: it your biasphere, your auric field. You begin to sense
Speaker 5: more around you. You can become aware of the relationships
Speaker 5: you have, the work that you do, and so forth
Speaker 5: and so on. And in this interview with Selina Matrea,
Speaker 5: who is the author of Raise Your Frequency, Transform Your Life,
Speaker 5: she discusses her own transformation after a auto accident which
Speaker 5: left her brain somewhat numb, and how she came out
Speaker 5: of it and how she began sensing energy. I've been
Speaker 5: practicing energy work when I was very young. I became
Speaker 5: a reiki dealer. And I don't do it that I
Speaker 5: do it on myself or my girlfriend, but that's energy
Speaker 5: and it's an ancient energy understanding. But you're asking us
Speaker 5: to look at the energy of the body and how
Speaker 5: we distribute it. So how do we recognize that, because that's.
Speaker 7: What our emotional body does. Our emotional body. You see,
Speaker 7: here's where we are now. We are trained and conditioned
Speaker 7: from birth to respond to chaos from more chaos. When
Speaker 7: we're born, where babies without language? What does a baby
Speaker 7: do to register and to communicate its discomfort? It cries,
Speaker 7: it's uncomfortable, it's hungry, it's wet. So the baby responds
Speaker 7: to difficulty with more of the same. It cries to
Speaker 7: get attention. So this concept of responding to difficulty with
Speaker 7: more of the same is so ingrained in us, and
Speaker 7: then we're conditioned by the families we grow up and
Speaker 7: by society to do the same thing. We're also taught
Speaker 7: that our brain is the most important part of our body.
Speaker 7: What were you thinking, my mother used to say to me,
Speaker 7: or somebody who's interested in what's going on in your brain?
Speaker 7: Local what are you thinking?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 7: So we're taught that we are our brain, and I
Speaker 7: think teachers like Eckartale other teachers have come in and said, no,
Speaker 7: this isn't the case, and it's very true. The brain
Speaker 7: was not meant to be our guidance system, our GPS.
Speaker 7: The brain was meant to structure what the intuitive body
Speaker 7: guides us to be. The emotional body we have was
Speaker 7: never meant to be a landing field, which is what
Speaker 7: people do. Something happens, they dive deep into it. Something
Speaker 7: difficult happens. They dive deeper. They start creating stories. They
Speaker 7: tell the stories to other people, and suddenly they're keeping
Speaker 7: these stories alive longer than they need to be. Because
Speaker 7: we're trained to use our brain and our emotions, we're
Speaker 7: not trained to use our energy fields. We're not even
Speaker 7: introduced to them. We're told that they don't even exist.
Speaker 7: So what we're doing here, which I'm so excited about
Speaker 7: and on a mission to share with as many people
Speaker 7: as possible, is that our energy fields were always meant
Speaker 7: to be our daily GPS. And so as we recognize,
Speaker 7: as we move through the day, we have the opportunity
Speaker 7: to use to answer your question, we have the opportunity
Speaker 7: to use the emotional body. So I go through my
Speaker 7: day and it's like, you know, I wake up in
Speaker 7: the morning and I live on a pond, and I
Speaker 7: had this gorgeous view, and I wake up in the morning,
Speaker 7: and I'm like so excited because I've had a good
Speaker 7: sleep and I'm full of what's going to happen today,
Speaker 7: and so I'm ready to get started. And so I'm
Speaker 7: at high frequency. So I recognize, ooh, I'm at high frequency.
Speaker 7: Or if I've had a night where spirits keeping me
Speaker 7: up and they do this a lot, and they take
Speaker 7: me on these journeys and they keep me up for
Speaker 7: three or four hours, I don't get any sleep. I
Speaker 7: wake up the next day and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 7: I really am not feeling all that great. So I
Speaker 7: get to recognize that. And when I recognize I'm not
Speaker 7: all that great, I immediately shift my attention and I
Speaker 7: go into a meditation to clear out the energy from
Speaker 7: the night, and I wake up and I'm feeling so
Speaker 7: much better. So that the structure here is to be aware,
Speaker 7: through our emotions and our thoughts what's happening, and to
Speaker 7: use the practices that are given in the book very
Speaker 7: easy to use to shift to become aware and to
Speaker 7: access the vibrational system. So understandable. You would say, I
Speaker 7: don't even know, Like I've done reiki and I know
Speaker 7: what that feels like, but how do I experience that
Speaker 7: on my own and that so the book teaches you.
Speaker 7: It teaches you how to acknowledge, how to access and
Speaker 7: how to actualize the high frequency energy at any moment
Speaker 7: of the day, even in the middle of trauma. So
Speaker 7: it's a process and it comes. The first step comes
Speaker 7: with awareness of our state and then the willingness to
Speaker 7: learn how to choose our states. So it's like anything else.
Speaker 7: If I want to consciousness is a muscle, right, and
Speaker 7: if I want to get bigger biceps, which I do
Speaker 7: at sixty nine, I have some freeways that sit across
Speaker 7: the room, and if they sit across the room, cliff
Speaker 7: they do nothing. But when I pick them up and
Speaker 7: use them, my muscle gets really well developed. Why because
Speaker 7: I put my attention on it, and I I took
Speaker 7: the instrument that's needed to grow the muscle. Consciousness is
Speaker 7: the same. So for most people who don't know they
Speaker 7: have this muscle, who don't know how to access it,
Speaker 7: that's what the book does. It teaches them how to
Speaker 7: access it and then how to use it. And that's
Speaker 7: why it's a workbook because I wanted not to just
Speaker 7: do teaching. I've gone to lots of workshops I've read
Speaker 7: tons of books, and I've been so grateful to the
Speaker 7: many teachers that are out there, but I have left
Speaker 7: more workshops going wow, how wonderful was that? But what
Speaker 7: do I do now? I've read so many books that
Speaker 7: were like, what a great book, But what do I
Speaker 7: do now? I'm overwhelmed. So the book was meant to
Speaker 7: be a workbook, and it's structured as a regular book,
Speaker 7: but in each chapter it's written sequentially. I didn't think
Speaker 7: about this. Spirit gave it to me this way. They
Speaker 7: told me exactly what practices to put in, and then
Speaker 7: I pulled stories from my student that illustrated. So each
Speaker 7: chapter has a theme to it, and the book grows
Speaker 7: so you're able to take it in one chapter at
Speaker 7: a time. And each chapter has a theme and then
Speaker 7: practices related to that and then a story from a
Speaker 7: student that speaks to that theme.
Speaker 5: Excellent. Yeah, I want to correct myself. EKG is for
Speaker 5: the heart, and this is a big one for me.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about the heart because I have more heart
Speaker 5: centered sensations than my brain. My brain's very active, but
Speaker 5: when you're talking about energy, talk a bit about heart sense.
Speaker 5: There's people who have developed applications ones called heart math.
Speaker 5: You can actually use the heart as kind of a
Speaker 5: small brain to sense the people who are around you,
Speaker 5: to sense what you're doing, and so forth and so on.
Speaker 5: Talk a little bit about the energetics of the heart
Speaker 5: and it's important in sensing energy.
Speaker 7: Well, the first thing I want to share is I
Speaker 7: find all of these apps incredibly curious. I think it's
Speaker 7: wonderful that people have the technology. I think it's wonderful
Speaker 7: if apps help people. But the first thing I say is,
Speaker 7: people save your money and learn how to connect to
Speaker 7: your own vibrational system, because for me, it's not just
Speaker 7: in the heart. When I think somebody somewhere decided that
Speaker 7: the heart was a really beautiful instrument and that maybe
Speaker 7: this is where our energy lies, it's kind of like
Speaker 7: somebody decided one day that yawning meant that you were bored,
Speaker 7: So everybody thinks when you're yawning, you're bored. And I
Speaker 7: don't know where that came from. So I'm not disputing
Speaker 7: that we have an energy system. We do, but I
Speaker 7: can't really speak to the heart as that because for me,
Speaker 7: it's a system that runs through our entire being, and
Speaker 7: I don't know that it has any central location. I
Speaker 7: just know that there is the ability for us to
Speaker 7: we have to take ourselves out of this because this
Speaker 7: is all so distracting to experience the interior of who
Speaker 7: we are. So when we close our eyes, when we
Speaker 7: go to quiet, there is a practice, very easy, unbelievable.
Speaker 7: One of the reason I got the book, and this
Speaker 7: is indeed the book, Raise your Frequency, Transform your Life.
Speaker 7: The acquisitions editor at in Our Traditions said that it
Speaker 7: was the breath of life practice that sold him on
Speaker 7: the book because he was a Buddhist for thirty years
Speaker 7: and couldn't stop his monkey mind and picked up the
Speaker 7: practice and it was gone. So the breath of life
Speaker 7: is a practice that takes us to have the experience
Speaker 7: of the soul level of our body.
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Speaker 5: highlights from the twenty twenty four year. These are consciousness, wellness,
Speaker 5: and even artificial intelligence topics programs we thought were a
Speaker 5: good recap for twenty twenty four. I almost preach at
Speaker 5: the problems with allopathic medicine what we term corporate medicine,
Speaker 5: your HMOs and so forth, because they don't really deal
Speaker 5: with health, they deal with with the disease. And so
Speaker 5: you're getting drugs, you're getting unnecessary surgery, you're getting in radiation,
Speaker 5: you're getting all this crap that is a problem. I
Speaker 5: invited a specialist, Alan Goldhammer, who wrote a book on
Speaker 5: Fasting to Destiny, to talk a little bit about some
Speaker 5: of the techniques behind fasting and what a revolution it
Speaker 5: is for healing and wellness. Inflammation has come around to
Speaker 5: be well studied, and when you have an inflammated brain,
Speaker 5: apparently this is the beginning of dementia and other problems.
Speaker 5: But you have a section in your book where you
Speaker 5: describe fasting to balance metabolism. Why is that important? I
Speaker 5: understand why it is, but talk a little bit for
Speaker 5: our listeners.
Speaker 10: Well, you know, I mean there's a number of things there.
Speaker 10: When we talk about tabosm, we also talk about got microbiomas.
Speaker 10: It relates to it, and also you mentioned this brain information.
Speaker 10: This is really important. There's some great studies done on
Speaker 10: a rodents initially where they had thirty rats. These are
Speaker 10: genetically bred animals are identical. So you have thirty rodents
Speaker 10: and another thirty rodents. Each of them are identical, and
Speaker 10: they're fed identically, and they're in the same identical cage.
Speaker 10: It's the only difference was they gave half of the
Speaker 10: rats a wheel, and the rats with the wheel would
Speaker 10: run on the wheel and they wouldn't develop Alzheimer's disease.
Speaker 10: And people said, what the heck, how is it that
Speaker 10: exercises preventing Alzheimer's disease? And they analyze the rats and
Speaker 10: they realized that what was happening is the exercise induced
Speaker 10: b DNF brain drive neutrophic factor, which is a chemical
Speaker 10: that prevents Alzheimer's disease by neutralizing the effect of inflammation
Speaker 10: in the brain.
Speaker 6: And so it.
Speaker 10: Turns out that if you exercise, your incidence of brain
Speaker 10: inflammation goes down a lot. Well, one of the other
Speaker 10: things that dramatically increases b d and F brain drive
Speaker 10: neutrophic factor is fast. And so if you take rats,
Speaker 10: for example, again matched rats, and you feed them identically,
Speaker 10: do everything the same, but you periodically fast after the
Speaker 10: rats you double their lifespan. Wow, they live twice as long,
Speaker 10: and part of it is BDNF goes up and other
Speaker 10: biomarker changes. In fact, if you look at all the
Speaker 10: biomarker changes that occur with exercise, almost all of them
Speaker 10: also improve with fasting. And that's weird when you think
Speaker 10: about it. It's not intuitively obvious because an exercise, you're
Speaker 10: vigorous and active. In fasting, you're resting. Why would both
Speaker 10: of these completely unrelated activities avoid and cause the same
Speaker 10: biochemical improvements. And I think the reason is that both
Speaker 10: of these things have one thing in common. They both
Speaker 10: undo the consequence of dietary access. They both get rid
Speaker 10: of the fat and the visceral fat that produces the
Speaker 10: inflammation that causes all these diseases. These are not unrelated conditions.
Speaker 10: These are all common conditions but manifesting in different ways.
Speaker 10: And that's why these different conditions respond to fast whether
Speaker 10: it's high blood pressure. If you look at high blood pressure,
Speaker 10: the believing contribute cause of death and disability. We have
Speaker 10: the largest effects that they've ever been shown in treating
Speaker 10: high blood pressure. We took one hundred and seventy four
Speaker 10: consecutive patients with high blood pressure and one hundred and
Speaker 10: seventy four people normalize the pressure enough to eliminate the
Speaker 10: need for medication.
Speaker 8: We have the.
Speaker 10: Largest effects ever shown with a sixty point dropping in
Speaker 10: sistelic blood pressure and stage tree hypertension.
Speaker 5: They're they all fast at the same time period.
Speaker 10: Nope, it ranges from five to forty days. The need
Speaker 10: for fasting various on the on the circumstance of the patient.
Speaker 10: We recently did a study with our colleague from the
Speaker 10: Male clinic. Twenty seven patients with hypertension on medications. Twenty
Speaker 10: six were able to normalize their pressure entirely without medication.
Speaker 10: One required half dosing at six We follow up. Then
Speaker 10: we followed those patients for one year and we said
Speaker 10: what percentage of those people would have maintained their weight
Speaker 10: loss and what percentage of them would still be off
Speaker 10: drugs and have normal blood pressure. Seventy six percent of
Speaker 10: those patients on follow up had maintained their weight loss
Speaker 10: and the majority had normal blood pressure without medication even
Speaker 10: a year later. So what it shows you was highly
Speaker 10: motivated people that are willing to do dangerous and radical
Speaker 10: things like eat well and exercise and go to beban
Speaker 10: on and maybe do some fasting can not only overcome
Speaker 10: this disease, but maintain it long term. And this is
Speaker 10: a disease that almost every doctor in the country will
Speaker 10: tell you you'll be on the drugs for the rest
Speaker 10: of your life because they don't see people get well.
Speaker 5: Hm, that's fascinating.
Speaker 6: I was in Texas.
Speaker 10: I gave a talk to a group of medical doctors diamatologists,
Speaker 10: and we talked about my experience treating diabetes. And one
Speaker 10: of the doctors came up and these doctors were almost
Speaker 10: all overweight. They were serving them pulled pork sandwiches and
Speaker 10: chocolate cake. And there was nothing to eat at this
Speaker 10: conference for me except there were some decorations on the table,
Speaker 10: some bell peppers, they put some grid. I have to
Speaker 10: say they were delicious. But anyway, that afterwards, one of
Speaker 10: the doctors came up to me and he said, you know,
Speaker 10: I've been treating diabags for twenty five years. I've never
Speaker 10: seen one get well. He says, maybe I should try
Speaker 10: this diet stuff myself. And I'm thinking, you know, if
Speaker 10: I've been treating somebody for twenty five years and nobody
Speaker 10: ever get well, I'd start thinking maybe it's me.
Speaker 6: But you know, maybe that's just me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Hey, are there any studies on the effects of
Speaker 5: fasting with the pre onset of dementia or any of
Speaker 5: these brain fog conditions that are just overwhelming us right now?
Speaker 10: So there's no conditions showing the reversal of the state
Speaker 10: ablished dementia with fasting. But there is some excellent data
Speaker 10: coming out from Dean Ornish, the guy who's been famous
Speaker 10: for his work on carivasctual disease, and he's looking at
Speaker 10: he's looked at prostate cancer and now he's looking at
Speaker 10: Alzheimer's disease, and so I would defer to his work.
Speaker 10: We haven't published anything on Alzheimer's. You know, it's a
Speaker 10: very difficult to study. You have to do really long
Speaker 10: term follow up. It's hard to objectify. We tend to
Speaker 10: focus on the low hanging fruit, the people that are
Speaker 10: doomed success that have faculous results and make us look
Speaker 10: good because we're still doing something that's considered very controversial.
Speaker 10: I don't know that we're still up there being equated
Speaker 10: with Jim Jones or something. But you know, fasting long
Speaker 10: term still seems kind of radical. I mean, most people
Speaker 10: think if they got on a plane in New York,
Speaker 10: and they flew all the way to California. They'd die
Speaker 10: over Colorado if they didn't eat those pretzels. You know,
Speaker 10: I'm pretty sure the pretzels saved their life.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 5: That's funny.
Speaker 10: But he is doing work on Alzheimer's and diet, and
Speaker 10: so I'd looked at him for research on Alzheimer's.
Speaker 6: It's not a condition that we've had success reversing.
Speaker 5: Well, it's funny because we were just talking about the
Speaker 5: reduction of inflammation, which is the big problem with dementia,
Speaker 5: and if fasting reduces it or perhaps limits it with
Speaker 5: a follow up refeeding as you call it, and lifestyle change,
Speaker 5: I wonder if there is a chance to reduce it
Speaker 5: or I'm not sure you can reduce or eliminate the
Speaker 5: damaged able.
Speaker 6: To stop it. We know that you can stop it.
Speaker 10: Like I said, exercise helps prevent Alzheimer's disease, and rats
Speaker 10: and human beings that by increasing BD and F and
Speaker 10: fasting definitely increase BDNF. But remember, inflammation isn't the enemy.
Speaker 10: Inflammation is the process of the body uses to get well.
Speaker 10: It's just when the inflammation doesn't work, when it's limited
Speaker 10: because of the greasy, fatty, slimy, dead, decaying flesh, you know,
Speaker 10: disease state. It never gets a chance to help the
Speaker 10: body resolve the problem and becomes damaging in and of itself.
Speaker 10: So like in fasting, inflammation actually goes up, but then
Speaker 10: it resolves the problem and comes down dramatically. So it's
Speaker 10: not that the inflammation is the problem, it's just the
Speaker 10: medical management is seeing inflammations pump so that they give
Speaker 10: you drugs the suppression inflammation, and the problem is at first,
Speaker 10: it's like if you treat reumatron arthritis and you get
Speaker 10: pregndice on it. First it's like a dream because the
Speaker 10: pain goes away, but then it becomes a nightmare because
Speaker 10: it turns out the way it works is turning off
Speaker 10: the immune system if you need your immune system, and
Speaker 10: so long term it's a nightmare. It's like these new
Speaker 10: drugs they're using for a weight loss, so zepic ANDJLP inhibitors.
Speaker 10: People are eating ultra processed foods. They can't regulate the quantity,
Speaker 10: so they get fat. You give these drugs to people,
Speaker 10: they get sick enough that they eat less of that
Speaker 10: highly processed food. They lose some of their appetite, and
Speaker 10: so they get a little bit less fat. On the
Speaker 10: long run, it's a complete nightmare because you know, all
Speaker 10: you're doing is giving people the ability to keep doing
Speaker 10: the thing that causes the problem, but making them sick
Speaker 10: enough that they don't eat as much of it.
Speaker 6: That's not a good long term solution. A short term though,
Speaker 6: they lose some weight.
Speaker 10: But if you just are interested in short term weight loss,
Speaker 10: I tell patients just get a chainsaw, cut your leg
Speaker 10: off at the hip. It's forty pounds overnight, no messing around,
Speaker 10: eat whatever you want.
Speaker 5: Jesus duc that's pretty radical. That's pretty extreme about.
Speaker 10: Well, radical means radical, root, rut or cause. So yeah,
Speaker 10: everything we do is pretty radical. Trying to get the
Speaker 10: router cost, which is, instead of trying to suppress your
Speaker 10: satiety mechanism so you can keep eating crap, what we
Speaker 10: would say is, let's stop eating crap. It's like trying
Speaker 10: to treat alcoholics by telling him to drink beer and wine.
Speaker 10: It's not going to work long term. Okay, what works
Speaker 10: is to stop drinking. You want to lose weight, stop
Speaker 10: eating the sugar, oil and salt that full your sotiety mechanisms,
Speaker 10: and you will lose weight.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want you to address a portion of the
Speaker 5: book that I thought was pretty enlightening, which is fasting
Speaker 5: for the reduction of obesity. This is a huge problem
Speaker 5: in America because not only our diet, but sedentary lifestyles
Speaker 5: that creep up and then you're given the drugs for cholesterol,
Speaker 5: you're given blood thinners for perhaps to heart condition, and
Speaker 5: it's an ugly cycle that people fall into.
Speaker 10: The very lucrative cycle though it's working great, and especially
Speaker 10: now the new drugs you have to take for the
Speaker 10: rest of your life, that's what they're looking at. Drugs
Speaker 10: you take or inject forever. Becomes a great profit center.
Speaker 10: And also it means you don't have to give up
Speaker 10: your addiction.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 10: Again, alcoholics don't like being told they have to stop drinking.
Speaker 6: It seems so radical, I mean, no drinking at all.
Speaker 10: But you know, overweight people don't want to be told
Speaker 10: they have to give up the hyperprocessed foods, which makes
Speaker 10: us up to seventy percent of the calories that people eat.
Speaker 6: As we're talking about going.
Speaker 10: Really radical back to a whole plant food diet, the
Speaker 10: kind of foods people ate for two hundred thousand years
Speaker 10: until the industrial Revolution two hundred years ago allowed us
Speaker 10: to strut transitioning to ultra process foods.
Speaker 6: But now that's the diet people eat.
Speaker 10: When you go into a grocery store, like I made
Speaker 10: a comment that ninety five percent of the foods and
Speaker 10: Whole Foods have nothing to do with Whole Foods. And
Speaker 10: the owner of Whole Foods, who was at our facility
Speaker 10: at the time before it got by Amazon, so.
Speaker 6: That was not true. It was ninety nine percent.
Speaker 10: The ninety nine percent of the food and ninety nine
Speaker 10: percent of the profit had nothing to do with Whole Foods.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 10: And so you know, and they explained to me, you
Speaker 10: should be grateful to those people buying the meat, fish,
Speaker 10: foul eggs, area products, weill assault, sugar, chocolate, because they're
Speaker 10: all the profit was. If it wasn't for them, there'd
Speaker 10: be no Whole Foods. And so now when I go
Speaker 10: into Whole Foods, like I was just in New York
Speaker 10: and there was a huge Whole Foods. There were like
Speaker 10: one hundred checkouts, and I saw these people filling up
Speaker 10: their carts with all this highly processed, help compromising food.
Speaker 10: But my attitude's very different. I went around and thanked
Speaker 10: them for their support.
Speaker 6: You know, it's like you know, you're.
Speaker 5: Fuddy, come to my clinic. You suggest in your book
Speaker 5: prolonged water fast can reverse obesity. Tell us how that works.
Speaker 10: So what happens in water fasting is I mentioned in
Speaker 10: the study we did recently where people in what two
Speaker 10: weeks are fasting, they would lose ten percent of fat,
Speaker 10: twenty percent of the ten percent the body weight, twenty
Speaker 10: percent of their fat, forty percent of their visceral fat.
Speaker 10: You lose this weight, and the fat loss continues even
Speaker 10: as you replenish protein, water, fiber, and glycogen. And then
Speaker 10: assuming you're willing to eat a whole plant food diet,
Speaker 10: you'll continue to lose weight. And that's exactly what our
Speaker 10: patients do. So and if you're a male, you can
Speaker 10: expect an average of three pounds a week, a female
Speaker 10: about two pounds a week. And that's with moderate activity.
Speaker 10: That's not being an Olympic athlete. It's not doing anything
Speaker 10: you know, outrageous, and so you will see these transformations.
Speaker 10: More importantly, we've got lots of people that are be
Speaker 10: able to lose that fifty one hundred pounds, but years
Speaker 10: later they've kept it off and so even though we
Speaker 10: know the chance of a male ever doing that is
Speaker 10: one in one hundred and eighty in the United States.
Speaker 10: You know our numbers are completely different, but it's because
Speaker 10: we're getting people who fundamentally change their diet and lifestyle.
Speaker 10: You have to change what you put in your mouth
Speaker 10: and if you want it to be effective. It also
Speaker 10: helps to get enough sleep and do enough exercise.
Speaker 5: We finish our program highlights for twenty to twenty five.
Speaker 5: For with artificial intelligence, we had James William Bailey. I
Speaker 5: invite him every year or two just to kind of
Speaker 5: give us an update. He has his hand on the pulse.
Speaker 5: He provides in this interview a look at where artificial
Speaker 5: intelligence is going, how it's being integrated, and some of
Speaker 5: the other technologies that work with artificial intelligence and that
Speaker 5: we can expect to see in our daily activities. Let's
Speaker 5: talk about Elon Musk for a minute. I was waiting
Speaker 5: to bring him up because he hasn't done a good
Speaker 5: job with ex which used to be Twitter. That's a nightmare.
Speaker 5: SpaceX is still doing very well and according to Tesla,
Speaker 5: the car is his sweet spot. He's eating up. But
Speaker 5: why would he take on AI to the level that
Speaker 5: you're suggesting where he is spending literally billions of dollars
Speaker 5: to make a super AI computer. Is he trying to
Speaker 5: corner the market? Does he have a gall in mind?
Speaker 5: Has he written a thesis on his ideas behind this work,
Speaker 5: because that's a for serious investment.
Speaker 2: Yes, so that's a really really good question. Thanks for asking.
Speaker 2: Don't forget that Elon is also leading robotics with his
Speaker 2: Optimus robots as well. Right, and if people check out
Speaker 2: YouTube and look at Optimists too, you can see a
Speaker 2: video of just how far these robotics have done. So
Speaker 2: how did Elon become probably number one in the world
Speaker 2: in artificial intelligence? Well, all those Tesla cars have artificial
Speaker 2: intelligence in there and different different forms of AI and
Speaker 2: there learning how the real world works and how to
Speaker 2: navigate the real world. And so basically he's had all
Speaker 2: these cars out there that are basically creating the footprint
Speaker 2: for robots to be able to navigate the real world.
Speaker 2: So there's what the So we don't know his paradise plan,
Speaker 2: but we do know that Elon is standing up to
Speaker 2: the New World Order because they're trying to impose a
Speaker 2: narrative that I certainly agree with is wrong. For humanity,
Speaker 2: and he's really about competing with the guys that want
Speaker 2: to invent machine gods. He's publicly declared that he's all
Speaker 2: about humanity thriving, which is great on Earth and in
Speaker 2: the cosmos. New will link troubles me deeply, but I
Speaker 2: think he may have done it. The chips that go
Speaker 2: in the brain that they fitted the first one, Cliff,
Speaker 2: it was for a diver that had an accident that
Speaker 2: could only move. I think it was his head upwards,
Speaker 2: and he's now been able to communicate with computers. This
Speaker 2: is a good thing, but what we don't want is
Speaker 2: a worldwide adoptional enforcement of AI chips in the brain
Speaker 2: for us to join a so called ball continuum and
Speaker 2: we can talk it.
Speaker 5: I keep thinking of a boy I saw this program
Speaker 5: with this chip hanging out of his head. They drill
Speaker 5: the hole in his cranium, his bone right, and it's
Speaker 5: plugged into his brain. How in the hell it works,
Speaker 5: is anyone's guests, Because we don't really understand the brain itself. Well,
Speaker 5: it's a hid and miss and it's almost kind of well,
Speaker 5: it's a total experiment.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It's very risky to obviously operate on the brain but
Speaker 2: when you're in a critical condition like someone that can't move,
Speaker 2: he's going to take that risk. And he's doing well.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think there's a battle coming. I
Speaker 2: think we're in a spiritual battle for the future of
Speaker 2: our soul, and I think humanity is going to move
Speaker 2: into two different types of civilizations. One is what I
Speaker 2: call Homo hybris, which is the arrogant human that is
Speaker 2: in the rebellion against the divine. They're in rebellion against
Speaker 2: intelligent design, and they want to invade the organic. They
Speaker 2: want to into twine AI with the organic body, and
Speaker 2: they want to seek salvation in the machine. They're looking
Speaker 2: for love effectively, but they're outsourcing God to the machine,
Speaker 2: which I think is really silly, because we have God
Speaker 2: within us. And then the second stage, which I think
Speaker 2: is really exciting, which is a new era of enlightenment.
Speaker 2: And this is where the organic body starts to uncover
Speaker 2: new abilities, new metaphysical capabilities, and so that's where artificial
Speaker 2: intelligence is a partner, not an invader, to support us
Speaker 2: in that new era of evolution into what I call
Speaker 2: Homo lucidus, the enlightened human, the human that has greater
Speaker 2: capability and consciousness the metaphysical human, and those are the
Speaker 2: two kind of evolutionary steps that humanity will take. A
Speaker 2: descent into madness of the mind and the outsourcingto the
Speaker 2: machine gods, or an ascent into really enlightenment. And what
Speaker 2: Aristotles spoke about, which is the superhuman.
Speaker 5: How do you see and you're calling it the battle
Speaker 5: for the soul? How do you see the integration at
Speaker 5: say five ten years down the road, where AI is
Speaker 5: part of us as a attachment. Perhaps we wear it
Speaker 5: around our wrist for those who really want to delve
Speaker 5: into it. Perhaps it is a upload into the brains.
Speaker 5: Perhaps in ten years we figure out a way to
Speaker 5: use AI in biology in some manner. But what do
Speaker 5: you foresee is the ceiling? Is there a ceiling?
Speaker 2: So no, there's not a ceiling. So first of all,
Speaker 2: is that I don't believe. That's sorry, that's not correct.
Speaker 2: My understanding is this is that the organic human is
Speaker 2: a vibrational creation. We are vibration and energy, right, and
Speaker 2: the soul a divine spark. The app man, you know, brahman,
Speaker 2: we have that individuality, that eternal soul that's within us,
Speaker 2: and that is entering into a new stage of evolution
Speaker 2: that this vibrational design we have as humans, and that's
Speaker 2: where the metaphysical paper has come alive. If we and
Speaker 2: so in that artificial intelligence isn't integrated with biology, it
Speaker 2: may be replacing your your your watch right with kind
Speaker 2: of an AI companion. We may not have mobile phones
Speaker 2: anymore because artificial intelligence is kind of around us and
Speaker 2: is able to communicate with us through voice or other
Speaker 2: types of imagery. But we're taken away from the mobile phone.
Speaker 2: And Jan LaQuan, the chief AI sign is that Meta
Speaker 2: agrees with me on this is that I think the
Speaker 2: mobile phone will dissipate. I think we're going to end
Speaker 2: up into different types of more relaxed interfaces like the
Speaker 2: voice or the eyes or the ears at where we
Speaker 2: no longer being focused on the screen. And that will
Speaker 2: help a lot of people because we have this dopamine
Speaker 2: addiction through social media, right we do. That's really writing
Speaker 2: the brains of the young generation. Hey, I'm addicted to TikTok.
Speaker 2: I've just started on titter. But you know, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day is that we don't want artifish
Speaker 2: intelligence to become an invader. Now, if we look at
Speaker 2: the transhumanist movement right, So their view is very simple. Now,
Speaker 2: let me be clear, Cliff on a couple of things.
Speaker 2: Not all transhumanism is bad. So people have pacemakers, that's
Speaker 2: technology in our bodies. People have cochlear implants, that's technology
Speaker 2: in our bodies. If someone loses a limb and has
Speaker 2: a robotic prosthetic, that makes really good sense. But that's
Speaker 2: their choice. But if there's an enforcement, a global enforcement
Speaker 2: that the human body is not divinely created and that
Speaker 2: we're going to become gods and put the machines inside
Speaker 2: you to actually enforce a world view of what the
Speaker 2: future of human evolution is. Now, that is a coercion
Speaker 2: and that is not divine, And so what we'll start
Speaker 2: to see things like genetic manipulation of babies so they
Speaker 2: never have diseases. That could be a good thing, but
Speaker 2: then we may lose characteristics. We may become a common
Speaker 2: platform with no individuality. We need to think about these things, right.
Speaker 2: We need to think about these things right. We'll start
Speaker 2: to see technology replace part of the brain function, maybe
Speaker 2: the way the eyes work, which is a third of
Speaker 2: our brain capacity. Now, if we start to replace our
Speaker 2: eyes to be able to see, maybe broader spectrum, Cliff,
Speaker 2: you know, we can start seeing for red, we can
Speaker 2: start see we can start seeing all different spectrums beyond
Speaker 2: what we can see at the moment. What happens is
Speaker 2: is the brain is a muscle, and if we're not
Speaker 2: using that muscle for a certain capability, the muscle actually
Speaker 2: dissipates and disappears. So if people start to use technology
Speaker 2: to replace brain function, then now have smaller brains. So congratulations,
Speaker 2: if you're in a transhumanist movement, you will have a
Speaker 2: smaller brain. But for those that follow the enlightened ath
Speaker 2: and the enlightened wakening into these metaphysical capabilities, will have
Speaker 2: greater brains, will become more creative as artificial intelligence is
Speaker 2: an assistant and a companion to invent new technologies, new medicines,
Speaker 2: new systems, new spacecraft, be able to be cyborgs and
Speaker 2: actually go out into space and meet other alien civilizations
Speaker 2: on our behalf, you know, will become more creative. And
Speaker 2: so the universe is based on the laws of creation expansion.
Speaker 2: It's what we call personal growth or personal development in
Speaker 2: the human form. And so the next stage I think
Speaker 2: of personal development is greater creativity in the brain and
Speaker 2: greater capacity in the metaphysical human.
Speaker 5: That a few years ago, actually, it's more like ten
Speaker 5: years ago. There was a movie called Johnny Numonic, Yes,
Speaker 5: and he had a hard drive built into the back
Speaker 5: of his brain. They would show et scans apparently, and
Speaker 5: somehow they opened his brain and they implanted a computer
Speaker 5: device that was synced to his entire brain. Is that
Speaker 5: too radical to think of? Is that too invasive? Or
Speaker 5: do you think we'll get to that neural link scenario?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 2: Are you are you talking about consciousness here?
Speaker 5: I'm kind of going all over the place. I kind
Speaker 5: of like the memory data storage. In the Johnny neumonic scenario,
Speaker 5: there was no consciousness enhancement whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Right, So memory, okay, So memory is certainly a problem
Speaker 2: with art fish intelligence. It has no life experience. It's
Speaker 2: never experience success, failure, it never experienced love or hardship.
Speaker 2: And so memory is something that will be part of
Speaker 2: the next leaping artificial intelligence and general intelligence is the
Speaker 2: ability to remember, and so memory is something that will
Speaker 2: become It's a huge air of innovation for AI to
Speaker 2: have greater memory. So in terms of having hard drives,
Speaker 2: maybe what to store memories so we don't lose them,
Speaker 2: or to store experiences so we don't lose them. Well,
Speaker 2: if we understand how the brain works, and we're still
Speaker 2: working it out and how to access and where that
Speaker 2: information stored, then I can see people trying to want
Speaker 2: to be able to download those memories from the brain,
Speaker 2: But we need to have new mathematics to actually understand
Speaker 2: to interpret how the brain's storing that to. You know,
Speaker 2: there will be no smells, right because an experience has
Speaker 2: smells normally. There will be no feeling because it's a
Speaker 2: hard drive, it has no feeling for goodness sake, So
Speaker 2: you know, I think that people will probably do these
Speaker 2: types of if you like hard drives to record memories,
Speaker 2: and that sounds interesting, But at the same time, it's like, well,
Speaker 2: why are you doing that? Why are you storing memories
Speaker 2: on a hard drive? Are you going to use that
Speaker 2: data to bring someone that's dead alive again or pretending
Speaker 2: to be alive. You know, it's a dangerous slippery slope,
Speaker 2: but I do sense that people will try and do
Speaker 2: this cliff. They'll try and actually start to use the
Speaker 2: brains as store of as a place of accessing experience
Speaker 2: and memories and trying to understand how do you create
Speaker 2: senses fealing smells, you know, and things like that.
Speaker 5: So I hope you enjoyed that. That was highlights from
Speaker 5: the year twenty twenty four in and so much more
Speaker 5: that we could have had in that program. But that's
Speaker 5: a flavor for what we thought were some of the better,
Speaker 5: more impactful interviews for the year. So just so much
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Speaker 5: world class. They really are great with their museums and
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Speaker 5: see Roomy's home. We'll see a number of major mosques
Speaker 5: in Istanbul and around some of these other areas, and
Speaker 5: we'll also be doing some stops at some of these
Speaker 5: markets that the spices in Istanbul are out of this world.
Speaker 5: We went to a date store that has all these
Speaker 5: classical dates these I guess dates of fruit and my god,
Speaker 5: sky's a limit. Also they have wonderful wine. We do
Speaker 5: a wine tasting as well. So for all the details.
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Speaker 5: to close out the year with a trip to Guatemala
Speaker 5: to join the Day of the Dead in October week celebration.
Speaker 5: And with that we'll be visiting Ticar Copon and some
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Speaker 5: and that includes all the local areas as well. So
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Speaker 5: to get back to you. Happy New Year. I hope
Speaker 5: that the year starts off well, and thank you for
Speaker 5: listening to Destiny. As always the I want to thank
Speaker 5: all my guests today on this highlights from twenty twenty
Speaker 5: four as always, thank you so much from the bottom
Speaker 5: of my heart, Gail Tour, Mark Foster and everyone who
Speaker 5: makes Destiny happen. You guys rock all right, take care
Speaker 5: of me well and we will talk to you again
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty five.
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