1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:01,320 Speaker 1: A lot of babe. 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 2: This is pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. We are 3 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,519 here live. You can hear me both things. We can 4 00:00:25,559 --> 00:00:28,760 hear me. My request came in, so hello, b how 5 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:33,280 you doing, Stephanie, Hi, good morning everybody. So anyway, let 6 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,399 me just start my show here on pet Life Radio. 7 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,079 So we're alive here for the next thirty minutes, here 8 00:00:38,119 --> 00:00:40,200 on Instagram and pet Life Radio. Here for you, here 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,479 for your pets. You know the drill, and if you 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,119 need to get a hold of me here on Instagram, 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,159 just type away, love to hear a Steve and your request, 12 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,840 I'm gonna is redmin key. I will accept it, but 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,039 I don't know a lot of people will hit that 14 00:00:53,079 --> 00:00:55,439 for somebody's hit that button accidentally. Then when I say okay, 15 00:00:55,439 --> 00:00:58,399 I'll take in, they said no, it's a mistake. I 16 00:00:58,439 --> 00:00:59,520 don't want to do it. I don't want to do 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,679 it anyway. For here on cut Life Radio, you can 18 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:05,640 get me easily eight seven seven three eight five eight 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,079 eight eight two. They're the three eights eight seven seven 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,640 three eight five eight eight eight two and you can 21 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,120 ask away and hopefully you have some questions, things you 22 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:16,560 want to talk about. I always have things to talk about. 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,400 But hang on second, let me just review the request 24 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:22,000 and see if we want to go live and see 25 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,920 if they want to do it. How's the risk? Well, 26 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,280 the risk is I guess okay. I know my good friend, 27 00:01:28,439 --> 00:01:32,000 my doctor Robbie, who is a hand surgeon. He is 28 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:35,359 I'm going in tomorrow. They're gonna take this. It's a 29 00:01:35,359 --> 00:01:37,319 soft wrap, but it has like a plate in here 30 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,319 to try to keep my thumb. Unfortunately, if my patients 31 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,120 were as bad as I am as a patient, I'd 32 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,920 be in big trouble because I am terrible. So I'm 33 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,879 not sure to use it at all, and I cannot 34 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,920 not use it. It's impossible for me. So anyway, they're 35 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,120 gonna take this off. He's gonna take the stitches out 36 00:01:55,359 --> 00:01:57,280 from the surgery, and then he's gonna put me on 37 00:01:57,319 --> 00:01:59,920 a hard cast, which I won't be able to probably. 38 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,079 I mean this guy over time, who's a soft wrap. 39 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,480 So I got a little soft. I'm using the hands 40 00:02:03,519 --> 00:02:05,799 way too much. I'm using my thumb way too much. 41 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:07,959 I'm not supposed to at all. So it is what 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,960 it is. But we'll see when he takes everything off 43 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,719 how it is. So anyway, what's the best way to 44 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:16,360 firmer dog's loose stool besides pumpkin great. In fact, that 45 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:18,840 is so perfect because that's one of the things I 46 00:02:18,879 --> 00:02:21,039 wanted to talk about today. I'd say one of the 47 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,319 most common messages calls on air VET on anything we 48 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,879 get has to do with GI problems. Okay, it's either 49 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:33,520 gonna be vomiting and diarrhea. And what's the most concerning diarrhea? 50 00:02:33,719 --> 00:02:36,639 Two people all right, when their pets have this, it's 51 00:02:37,159 --> 00:02:41,840 my dog has soft stool and there's blood, Oh my god, blood, 52 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,159 and people panic and they think it's, oh my god, 53 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:48,919 it's an emergency. My dog is bleeding. And truth is 54 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,960 that it is ninety five ninety five percent of the 55 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,879 time not as serious as one would think because bleeding 56 00:02:57,199 --> 00:03:01,520 from the lard's bowel. We call that colitis inflamed large bowel. 57 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,599 So what happens because of issues with here's the list 58 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,840 I run through with people so you can get a 59 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,280 better understanding, because I don't want you to panic. I 60 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,960 don't want you to run to emergency and spend it 61 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,759 thousands of dollars and have to wait six or eight 62 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,479 hours to be seen for something that wasn't even an emergency. 63 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,960 So what are some of the underlying causes. First, I'm 64 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,360 gonna wave as we talk. We're gonna wave glad you 65 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:30,240 guys are joining. So nerves, stress, excitement, anxiety, diet diet change, 66 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,240 eating something you shouldn't have, or possibly parasites if it's 67 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,039 a puppy. I put parasites up on that list. Adult 68 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,560 dogs very infrequent, unless, of course they're gunning a dog 69 00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:43,439 park or playing with small dogs and maybe picked up giardia. 70 00:03:43,719 --> 00:03:47,039 So bottom line, not that serious. So what is it? 71 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,599 So the bowel because of any of those things, stress, anxiety, excitement, 72 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,639 diet diet issues, it gets inflamed. When it gets inflamed, 73 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,439 it stops functioning. One of the jobs of the colon 74 00:03:58,759 --> 00:04:01,960 is to absorb the last twenty five or whatever percent 75 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,680 of fluid that's left that was not reabsorbed in the 76 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,400 small lowel. So when it gets in flame, it stops working, 77 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:12,599 it gets irritated, and as in Jesta passes through, it's 78 00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:15,560 sort of tearing some of the cells, the lining, which 79 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,639 is mucus, and that's why you're seeing blood when you 80 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,839 see red blood in the stool, that is coming from 81 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,560 the very end of the bowel, which is the large bowel, 82 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:30,279 which is the colon. You have it ascending colon, transverse colon, 83 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,360 descending colon. So that's not the bleeding I worry about. Well, ah, 84 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,199 what do I worry about? I worry more when it's 85 00:04:37,319 --> 00:04:40,920 black tari stool. That tells me there's bleeding higher up 86 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,000 in the GI track, either the stomach like or ulcers 87 00:04:44,439 --> 00:04:47,600 or this small bowel, which could be many things, also inflammation, 88 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,160 but it can be intestino lymphoma. It could be a 89 00:04:50,199 --> 00:04:53,279 severe something that is irritated the bowel and made some 90 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,160 clutch By the time that bleeding comes out the other end, 91 00:04:56,199 --> 00:04:59,120 it's black and tarie. That is the one that is 92 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,240 more concerning to us as veterinarians. So anyway, so what 93 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:06,639 happens is with that, we want to soften the stool 94 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,720 a little bit. We want to make it easy for 95 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:11,160 the stool to pass through. We want the colon de 96 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,360 heel and sometimes we can do it without even drugs. 97 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,360 I mean, if I'm gonna use drugs, it might be 98 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,560 metronite as all flagile, but I like to try just 99 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,879 just dye it at first. So that's where the pumpkin 100 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,879 comes in. So you want to increase the fiber but 101 00:05:25,879 --> 00:05:27,319 the problem is you don't want to do too much, 102 00:05:27,399 --> 00:05:29,759 because if you do too much, then stool is gonna 103 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:32,759 say really soft. It's just enough a small amount, So 104 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,879 pumpkin cooked, oatmeal cooked, sweet potato cooked, the AMS brand 105 00:05:37,959 --> 00:05:40,560 brand flakes. The newest one that really the GI people 106 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:45,439 like is silium silium husk powder purecilium. They're really careful 107 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:47,199 if you're going to use the cilium that comes as 108 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,040 a product like metamucil or fibro ol or correct old 109 00:05:50,399 --> 00:05:52,680 read the label because a lot of times those companies 110 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,160 will put in xylotol as an artificial sweetener for people 111 00:05:56,519 --> 00:06:00,120 to make it more palatable. Well for dogs, xylotol we 112 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,879 know could be very, very toxic, so you want to 113 00:06:01,879 --> 00:06:06,439 avoid anything with xylotol. So basically just pure silium husk 114 00:06:06,519 --> 00:06:09,560 powder is probably going to be very effective, and that's 115 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,839 what I would do that first. Then if that doesn't 116 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,639 work by itself, then I'm going to go to maybe 117 00:06:14,879 --> 00:06:18,720 adding some medication like a flagile a metronitasol, and beyond 118 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:21,360 that we may even have to use some azulphidine or 119 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:24,600 some steroids. But as we go up in the aggressiveness 120 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,519 of treatment, I like to save those for a last 121 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:31,639 or not not my first choice. All right, it's just soft, 122 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,120 no blood. So if it's just soft and not runny, 123 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,920 then just a little bit of fiber should do the trick. 124 00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:41,639 And that is really that's where I would start. And 125 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,639 if the pumpkin didn't work, you could dry sweet potato 126 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:47,680 or oatmeal or brand or just go straight to silium. 127 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,680 Silium powder seems to be the one that most of 128 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,560 the gi people like. The ear infects is more common 129 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,079 older dogs. I don't know if it's more or less. Hey, Lauren, 130 00:06:57,079 --> 00:06:59,040 how are you? I don't know if it's more or less. 131 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,879 I mean, we see ear infections a lot. Is usually 132 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000 secondary to allergy. Here's the thing about ears. There is 133 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:11,000 a beautiful co relationship between normal flora, which is normal bacteria, 134 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,920 and normal yeast in an ear, which is normal, and 135 00:07:13,959 --> 00:07:16,879 they usually keep each other in check, and therefore you 136 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:19,759 don't really notice a problem because the bacteria are out 137 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:21,759 competing the east. The east outcome be the beer, and 138 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,920 they reach a balance. What happens usually usually not as 139 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:28,959 if all the dogs are catching reds of books, but 140 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,839 the yeast wins out when there's an imbalance. So that's 141 00:07:32,839 --> 00:07:36,120 why most ear infections are going to be yeast related. Ah, 142 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,399 what causes the imbalance? The imbalance could be from anything. 143 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:42,959 It could be some sort of irritation, it could be inflammation. 144 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,120 Why from allergy. So we know that when there's allergic dermatitis, 145 00:07:48,199 --> 00:07:52,279 the ears are affected not only from a dermatitis, which 146 00:07:52,319 --> 00:07:57,000 could be related to atopy that's inhaled allergens or direct 147 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,959 contact with alergerisms. You know, like dogs like you rub 148 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,959 their ears on something of grass. That could be an irritation. 149 00:08:02,519 --> 00:08:05,199 But the thing that we see most often when it 150 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:08,000 comes to ears that if we have a dog that 151 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:13,319 continually gets allergic ear disease leading to inflammation infection, we're 152 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:17,319 thinking that food. So when we think food, I think 153 00:08:17,399 --> 00:08:21,480 when I see a dog, whether it's feet, ears, or face, 154 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:24,240 where they're rubbing their face, they're scratching and they're pawing 155 00:08:24,279 --> 00:08:26,480 at their face, their feet, they're going after their feet 156 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:29,920 and their ears. That takes food member totally about fifteen 157 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,039 to twenty percent of all allergies or food related but 158 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,559 that brings food up to more of the top. And 159 00:08:34,639 --> 00:08:38,399 I'll talk about feeding trials, hydrolyzed protein, maybe a novel protein, 160 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,919 getting something changing the food. So anyway, that is why 161 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,799 we typically see the ear infections. It is very common 162 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,240 a lot of times. In fact, now we're treating allergies. Interestingly, 163 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,879 as you know, we don't use steroid as much as 164 00:08:51,879 --> 00:08:53,440 we used to. We have appicle, we have a side 165 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,679 a point, so we have other medications and they're new 166 00:08:56,759 --> 00:08:59,600 ones out there now too that are going to attack 167 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,919 the Jack one Jack three enzyme that works with interluken 168 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,240 thirty one or side appointment to tax interluken thirty one. 169 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,440 So we're seeing more of those. But when it comes 170 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,879 to ears, and it's interesting because I went to a 171 00:09:12,039 --> 00:09:15,240 talk two years ago. One of my favorite conferences to 172 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:17,879 go to is called sky Skie put on by the 173 00:09:17,879 --> 00:09:23,399 Colorado Veteran Medical Association Skye ski CE and it is 174 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,039 phenomenal conference, really loose, really casual. It's the end of 175 00:09:27,039 --> 00:09:29,320 the last week of January. I'm going again this year. 176 00:09:29,519 --> 00:09:32,320 I'm a snowboarder as crazy as I am, and it's 177 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:35,279 a lot of fun. But he was a fantastic speaker. 178 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,480 He was a professor in dermatology at I think Iowa State, 179 00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:44,080 and anyway, he said that even though we're going to 180 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,320 new treatments, when it comes to allergies, skin allergies. When 181 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,679 it comes to ears, don't forget the steroids. He says, 182 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,879 there's no way when you put the topical ear medicine 183 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:54,799 that it's going to really get to work. If there's 184 00:09:54,799 --> 00:09:58,639 so much inflammation. We have to reduce the inflammation, not 185 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:01,159 to try to fight the outl energy that's already by 186 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:04,039 other things. To reduce the inflammation. When you do cider 187 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,919 point for example, that is anti allergy. It is inter 188 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,039 luken thirty one attacker, but it doesn't remove the inflammation. 189 00:10:10,279 --> 00:10:12,519 When it comes to ears, we have to bring that 190 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,440 inflammation down. Thus, we still use good old fashioned steroids 191 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:19,759 and again work with your veterinarian and they're great topical earmdiscence. 192 00:10:19,759 --> 00:10:22,159 There's also things we can put in that last have 193 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,000 a long lasting effect. So if you have an animal 194 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:27,519 that's impossible to clean, impossible to treat, we can use 195 00:10:27,519 --> 00:10:31,759 things likecocernia or claro. So we have some alternative solutions, 196 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,240 but steroids may be the key. All Right. Can ear 197 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:38,320 infections increase due to diabetes. I'm just trying to think 198 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,960 of a leak. It's a good question. A link between diabetes, 199 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:44,399 high blood sugar and I don't know it could be 200 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,440 that indirectly, if the yeast feed on the sugar and 201 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,200 the high sugar in the blood, can it increase the 202 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,759 ability of the yeast to outcompete and the bacteria and 203 00:10:54,799 --> 00:10:58,120 then cause in infection. Well it's not a direct cause 204 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,120 a relationship, but might it. It's a great question. What 205 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,799 I can do is I'll talk to some dermoids, the 206 00:11:02,799 --> 00:11:06,159 dermatologists and see if they know of any direct correlation. 207 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,799 While I'm waiting for more questions, let me some other 208 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,559 things I wanted to talk about. So first of all, 209 00:11:12,879 --> 00:11:14,720 so we didn't you know, we talked about the some 210 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:16,799 of the problems that we see on a regular basis 211 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,039 that are more common. So a lot of times over 212 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,120 the years because we have new people joining the show, 213 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:25,120 I don't want to always talk about something we may 214 00:11:25,159 --> 00:11:27,480 have spoken about in the future. I try to be careful, 215 00:11:27,639 --> 00:11:30,240 but again I don't want to eliminate things that that 216 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,279 I know of our importance, or things that I see 217 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:36,559 or hear on a regular basis. And a lot of times, 218 00:11:36,799 --> 00:11:39,600 even if I have spoken about in the past, if 219 00:11:39,639 --> 00:11:42,960 anyone's like me, you forget them after a while and say, oh, yeah, 220 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,720 I remember he talked about that and you don't you 221 00:11:44,759 --> 00:11:47,639 forget the details. I mean, I always joke that I 222 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,559 have a unique skill, a very unique skill, and that 223 00:11:51,759 --> 00:11:55,600 is that I can be introduced to somebody, shake their hand, 224 00:11:55,919 --> 00:11:58,120 and forget their name all at the same time. So 225 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,960 you know, it's one of other things. Being forgetful is 226 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,559 out the end of the world that as we get older, 227 00:12:02,759 --> 00:12:05,720 sometimes it's worse. All right. While you guys get the 228 00:12:06,159 --> 00:12:08,960 courage to come up and ask more questions, we have 229 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:11,200 to break for our show here at pet Life Radio 230 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,960 halfway through the show. Usually I run over time anyway, 231 00:12:14,279 --> 00:12:17,440 So in the meantime, while you're here on Instagram, come 232 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:19,720 up with your questions and we'll talk about that when 233 00:12:19,759 --> 00:12:21,399 we get back. I want everybody to share for it. 234 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,399 But we can talk to you during the commercial breaks 235 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,879 as well, So Mark taking away, you can have your 236 00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:27,360 commercial break. We'll go from there. 237 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: Oh sure, it's all fun and games until someone ends 238 00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:33,240 up in a cone. 239 00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:35,159 Speaker 2: That's right, we are animals. 240 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:35,919 Speaker 1: Deal with it. 241 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: Atline Radio, Let's talk pets, Let's talk pats. Let's don 242 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:44,519 pets on Privy for. 243 00:12:44,519 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: Radio Headline Radio atlin Radio dot com. 244 00:12:57,759 --> 00:12:59,759 Speaker 2: And we're back here in pet Life. Araireer we just 245 00:12:59,759 --> 00:13:03,720 had a question about food allergy testing. Is a glucus test? Correct? 246 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,840 Is it quite expensive? So what I recommend still, and 247 00:13:06,879 --> 00:13:09,639 I believe if I spoke to the allergists, unless there's 248 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:12,720 something very very new on the horizon that hasn't hit 249 00:13:12,799 --> 00:13:15,000 me yet, which is very possible because if I don't 250 00:13:15,039 --> 00:13:17,720 have the case myself where we're discussing it, or I'll 251 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,679 wait for my next conference and go to a derm 252 00:13:19,759 --> 00:13:21,919 talk where I can talk to my friends or a dermatologist. 253 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,440 I'm not sure about any test that's going to work 254 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,159 for food. When it comes to food, the best way 255 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,960 is one of the more difficult ways, and that is 256 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:35,759 an elimination diet. Now, the best elimination diet is also challenging, 257 00:13:36,159 --> 00:13:40,679 cab be a little expensive, and that is complete antigen elimination. 258 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:45,080 And those are the foods that have basically they take 259 00:13:45,159 --> 00:13:48,480 up the proteins, break them up, so there's no anigen. 260 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:53,120 So it's a hypo allergenic diet. So if you're going 261 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,559 to do that, then that is the best way, but 262 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,279 it's very impractical. So there's a food out there called 263 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:02,799 the ZD. Now, some of what we've now seen is 264 00:14:02,799 --> 00:14:06,679 some of the HP hydrolyzed protein diets. There are a 265 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,960 number of them out there. They are pretty good as well. 266 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:13,639 But understand, during this trial, you're going to need to 267 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,120 feed nothing other than that food for eight weeks, and 268 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:21,960 I mean nothing, So no treats, nothing off the carpet. 269 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,039 They can't pick anything up on the garbage. You got 270 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:27,600 to be really, really careful. And if the symptoms, which 271 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,720 are mostly face, feet and ears, seem to improve, then 272 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:34,519 you know you're onto something. Then the next step is 273 00:14:34,559 --> 00:14:37,840 to introduce proteins one at a time and see where 274 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:40,720 you get this reaction again, and then you know you 275 00:14:40,759 --> 00:14:44,159 cross it off the list. Very time consuming, very difficult 276 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,559 to do, very difficult not to cheat, and therefore it's 277 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,679 often a failure. So what I recommend as an alternative 278 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,720 is looking for novel protein single anigen diets. What does 279 00:14:56,799 --> 00:14:59,559 novel mean. Novel means proteins the dog has never been 280 00:14:59,639 --> 00:15:06,879 explosed before, things like we've talked about this, venison, rabbit, bison, duck, alligator. 281 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,759 In some places you can still get kangaroo meat things 282 00:15:09,759 --> 00:15:14,240 that are so unique. Soy protein then as a single 283 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,480 grain or single vegetable, and that can be again eliminating 284 00:15:17,679 --> 00:15:19,559 the three things you want to eliminate the most in 285 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:24,440 the proteins is the poultry, which is chicken, turkey, and beef, 286 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:26,759 because most foods over the years have had those three 287 00:15:26,799 --> 00:15:29,440 things and dogs can develop allergies. As far as the 288 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,960 grains eliminate, you want to stay away from corn, wheat, 289 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,200 and rice. Now you're left with things like barley and 290 00:15:36,279 --> 00:15:41,759 oats and quinoa, things like green pea, broccoli, cauliflour. You 291 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:44,240 want to pick up things that the body has probably 292 00:15:44,279 --> 00:15:46,960 never seen before. And as far as your proteins, as 293 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,600 we mentioned, anything but the big three which are chicken, turkey, 294 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:54,960 and beef, and start feeding small amounts of that and increase. 295 00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:57,879 But when you do this test, let's say you choose venison, 296 00:15:57,919 --> 00:16:00,559 let's say you choose rabbit. That means even the treats 297 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:03,919 that you give have to be rabbit trees and nothing else. 298 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,399 So do that for eight weeks. If it's food related, 299 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:12,200 most likely, most likely you will get see some success 300 00:16:12,559 --> 00:16:16,480 by doing these novel protein elimination diets. Now, also remember 301 00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:21,639 one thing. If the allergy is year round and not seasonal, 302 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,399 then food is higher on your list. But if even 303 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,919 if it's ears, feet and face, But if the allergy 304 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,799 is seasonal, meaning it's not much during the winter, and 305 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,679 you don't change food seasonally, then don't even bother with 306 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,200 the food. It's not food again. Fifteen percent to twenty 307 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,799 percent max. Of allergies are food related, all right, My 308 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,679 cloud chaser Side of Point from a maliamet is two 309 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:44,840 dollars for projection daughter's critical care. VT doesn't not even 310 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,399 long term appicle because the increases cancerous need to reorder 311 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,600 your anti ith. So the anti H shampoo is called 312 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,159 what itch is good? I mean, yeah, side of point 313 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,519 is very expensive, but if you have a malamute appleicle 314 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,399 is expensive too. There is a new one out there. 315 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,879 I'll get to the information on it, and it is 316 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:08,359 supposedly a little safer. I again, I use a lot 317 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,240 of side of Point. I use a lot of Applical 318 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:14,240 as well. I have yet to see a problem. That 319 00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:17,160 doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And you know when you 320 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,839 see cancer. If you have a young dog where cancer 321 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,720 is not super common and they're on appical and get cancer, 322 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,880 then I think this is a strong correlation. But if 323 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,559 you have an older dog, then cancer is going to 324 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,599 happen potentially anyway. So I don't know how you can 325 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,599 if there's just a direct causative relationship between side of 326 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,799 point and the cancer. I'm not saying it's not there, 327 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:41,160 but it's more difficult to prove. But when you get 328 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,079 as I said, malamute, you're looking at problems anyway. And 329 00:17:44,519 --> 00:17:46,720 if you want to try something and it is seasonal 330 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,319 and you want to go you know, limited a little bit, 331 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:52,519 go back to pregnic zone. If you use pregnic zone judiciously, 332 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,359 if you respect the drug, if you quickly get onto 333 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,359 an alternate day or every third day treatment and still 334 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,680 controls it, then I mean we've used steroids for years, 335 00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:06,200 thirty forty years and I haven't had issues. It all 336 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,920 depends on how it's used, how you respect the drug, 337 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,680 and the health of the pets. You know, a malamute, 338 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,400 older malamute should be checking anyway once a year, once 339 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,960 every's you know, six to eight months, if not every 340 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,079 twelve months, blood tests make sure they're okay. So anyway, 341 00:18:20,319 --> 00:18:22,880 that's what I would recommend. Bumps on legs are more 342 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,359 indicative of topical allergies, right, Yes, when you have anything 343 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:33,319 that's feet face ears usually point to potential food allergy. 344 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,039 It could be overlapped. Trust me. I say, Joe, the 345 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,160 dog didn't read the book. Dog doesn't know what it's 346 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,079 supposed to, how it's supposed to have the allergies, what 347 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,039 the symptoms may be. But the general rule, those are 348 00:18:44,039 --> 00:18:47,079 the big ones. Fee face ears for food. If you 349 00:18:47,079 --> 00:18:51,119 have lesions, thighs, abdomen, lower back, lower back, I'm thicking fleas, 350 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,559 then there's a strong likelihood. And another thing, if it 351 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,559 is pollen's usually get a better response than is any 352 00:18:59,559 --> 00:19:02,160 of the anti allergies other than the food ones. So 353 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,440 that's why I'm not Yes, it's possible, I wouldn't hang 354 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,599 my hat on it, all right, Hey, deb join me late. 355 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,559 Another thing you can think about if you're having a 356 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:16,799 dog and you are trying to eliminate the allergies, this 357 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,279 might be a good case for allergy testing. It's a 358 00:19:20,279 --> 00:19:22,759 blood test, I don't know, depending on who does it, 359 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:25,119 anywhere from four hundred to four hundred and fifty bucks. 360 00:19:25,319 --> 00:19:27,599 Find out what they're allergic to, get the serums and 361 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,880 start desensitizing. I mean that still is the gold standard. 362 00:19:31,319 --> 00:19:34,880 Instead of using needing these drugs, do the test. Once 363 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,759 you have the test, you know exactly what they're allergic 364 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:40,960 to you start to desensitize with the serums or sumpling 365 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:45,599 will drops. I prefer the serums the injections. Why because 366 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,920 you start routine daily every other day. At think it's 367 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,680 not never daily, it's every other day. And then you 368 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,839 go up. You keep giving a little bit more, a 369 00:19:53,839 --> 00:19:56,440 little bit more, and then you start spreading out from 370 00:19:56,519 --> 00:19:58,519 every other day to once a week to two weeks 371 00:19:58,519 --> 00:20:00,279 to a month. And then when you FAI and it's 372 00:20:00,319 --> 00:20:03,599 that lower dose vial, you get more concentrated stuff, and 373 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,000 you start all over again, and you finish the second vide, 374 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,839 you go to the third vial, which is the final vial, 375 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,839 and that you do this thing again. You get the 376 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,440 point in about four to six months. Whatever it is. 377 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,759 Your maintenance is a shot of month. It's so easy. 378 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,680 Think about it. If you have a dog that has diabetes, 379 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:21,720 you're giving injections every day twice a day. So they 380 00:20:21,759 --> 00:20:23,559 have to do it once every other day and then 381 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:25,759 once every three day, et cetera, et cetera. It's not 382 00:20:25,839 --> 00:20:28,720 the end of the world. It's subcutaneous. It's easy to learn. 383 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:31,839 The needle is super thin, and that is the best 384 00:20:31,839 --> 00:20:35,319 way to go. Now, what happens though you have to 385 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,519 understand that when you get to maintenance, then you're doing 386 00:20:38,599 --> 00:20:40,559 once a month, which is the good news. Now there 387 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:42,759 is a new alternative. It's not new anymore, but it's 388 00:20:42,759 --> 00:20:45,359 been around for a while, sublingual drops. But here's the 389 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,279 thing with the drops. Sublingual drops very convenient. It's a 390 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,640 drop under the tongue in the mouth once a day forever. 391 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:56,279 So you never get to start increasing the dose and 392 00:20:56,319 --> 00:20:59,359 decreasing the amount of time in between. No, no, no no. 393 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:02,119 When it comes to the drops, it's one drop or 394 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,839 two drops whatever it is under the tongue for the 395 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:07,440 rest of the patch life. So three hundred and sixty 396 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,039 five days a year. I mean, I think that's more 397 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,160 challenging than the injections, because the injections a little more 398 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,000 challenging at the beginning. You have to learn how to 399 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,720 give a shot, and you have to do it every 400 00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:20,720 other day. But it decreases the time between injections increases, 401 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:23,599 and then I think in the long haul my opinion, 402 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:25,960 And again, who am I to talk, I'm a bit ornair. 403 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:29,119 I give shots to animals every day. For me, it's 404 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,240 a piece of cake, but for others it maybe a 405 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,359 little more challenging. Or you have a dog, there's no way, 406 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:35,799 no way you're gonna give a shot at home, in 407 00:21:35,839 --> 00:21:38,519 which case you can get the drops. But as far 408 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:41,079 as a long term therapy, that is the best way 409 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,079 to go six years old. It's to break the bank. Yeah, 410 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,359 six years old is kind of young, not young for allergies. 411 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,240 But I see what you're talking about. I would think 412 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,160 about doing the allergy test. We do it, we send 413 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,279 it off to the lab, we get a result, they 414 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:56,279 make the serums. We teach you how to give shots 415 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,559 big malnut to be a problem. That way you will, 416 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:02,599 as you said, in the long haul. The hope is 417 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,440 to build up the dog's own immunity to those allergens. 418 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:08,960 And then I mean I had allergy shots as a kid. 419 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:15,359 In fact, I tested positive as a kid. Dogs, cats, horses, sheep, goats, cows, 420 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,720 and hay. Also wheat and which I live on. I 421 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:22,599 love pasta, also some fruits and vegetables eggplant for example, 422 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:27,480 I love eggplant parmesan. So I have zero allergies now 423 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,640 for me, I don't know why did outgrow them all? 424 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,799 You know, through vet school though I was still allergic. 425 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,519 But my best thing for me because cats were my 426 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,880 biggest allergy. I got a cat. I've had as highs 427 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,559 as many as five. I just lost Ali, which is 428 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:43,480 probably well. I lost one Monchie about a year and 429 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:46,240 a half ago. I lost Ali about two months ago. 430 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,440 And so I have three now, and yes, looking for 431 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:51,440 one or two more. My wife will kill me a 432 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,039 few years me say that. But anyway, I five dog. 433 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,079 It was so perfect, went out of balance of five 434 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,279 and five that nobody can't accuse me. Oh you're like 435 00:22:58,319 --> 00:23:01,680 dogs better? No, I com both the same. It all 436 00:23:01,759 --> 00:23:04,119 depends I just getting the right one. But yes, now 437 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,160 I have the three cats, the five dogs. So anyway, 438 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,880 I basically outgrew my allergies or I think honestly getting 439 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,880 a cat how was the best? Yeah? For date, because 440 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,519 I think getting that exposure every day to single cat. 441 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,480 His name was Gimpy. We adopted him because he was adopted. 442 00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:26,119 He had some sort of leg injury and he had 443 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,359 a little subtle limp. But it wasn't so much the limp. 444 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,640 It was every time he would take a step in 445 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,279 a quiet room, you could hear the click click, So 446 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,880 something in his joint was clicking, and he had that limp. 447 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,720 So we called them gimp beat. He was such a 448 00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:42,359 great cat. And then after that we just started getting 449 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,839 more and more cats. And you know then, as I said, 450 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,440 as many as five. So again, when you talk to allergiests, 451 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,759 interesting they say that some people when they hit adolescents, 452 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:55,240 they could outgrow their allergies. But I still had my 453 00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:58,200 allergies as a twenty year old, twenty four year old. 454 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,000 I mean I started vent school when I was twenty five, 455 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,039 I still had the allergies. By going to vet school 456 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,839 and having to go through my large animal rotations where 457 00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:08,680 I was getting the horses, sheep, goats and cows and 458 00:24:09,079 --> 00:24:11,519 betted on. Hey, I was a little bit of a wreck. 459 00:24:11,839 --> 00:24:14,599 But now I have zero so I have no idea. 460 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,039 I can't say. All I know is I'm being a veterinarian. 461 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,640 I am way happier not being allergic to all these 462 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,880 animals than being allergic. Because when I was in med school, 463 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:25,559 I was a wreck. Everybody knew if they needed tissue, 464 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,680 let's go ask Warbur because he definitely had tissues. Every 465 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,279 pocket on my coveralls had tissues in them, all right, 466 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:33,079 were getting towards the end of our show. We're actually 467 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,119 at the end of our show. 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