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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season three,

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twenty seven of Clips and Dip. I am Chuck Buckler,

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joined by Adam Oslin and William Updyke. It's been ten games.

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The Clippers are six and four. They've played three back

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to backs. They are, I would argue, exceeding expectations in

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certain areas. We're gonna talk what the Clippers are top

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ten in what they're bottom ten in a bit of

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a preview of the Thunder game as well, that's going

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on on Monday. Before we get into all of that,

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Adam Will, how are you guys doing after that? Absolutely?

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I mean not a shot. Not surprising given how the

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season has gone incredibly close. Win over the Raptors last.

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Speaker 2: Night, and again I told you guys, they are going

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on a four game win streak.

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Speaker 1: They did it.

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Speaker 3: We're doing great, doing great well.

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Speaker 2: But I'm great man. I knew this was gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: So we can't hear you, by man?

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Speaker 1: Oh I can hear him?

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Speaker 3: Oh you can.

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Speaker 2: Talk myself.

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Speaker 3: I'm not here.

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Speaker 1: Oh No, Well, I can hear Will, and I can

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hear Adam Will say. I can hear about that, but

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not Will Will.

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Speaker 2: Adam you're looking very well rested.

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Speaker 1: F me. Oh no, wait, what is going on?

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Speaker 3: I'm seriously not hearing Will.

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Speaker 1: Oh shit, oh here, let me.

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Speaker 2: Kick myself out and bring myself back in.

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Speaker 3: You were laughing because you couldn't hear it either. We're

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just lett him go.

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Speaker 1: No, I can absolutely. Will's gonna remove himself and Adam

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back in. If you're watching on YouTube, all right, Adam, Will,

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can you hear?

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Speaker 2: Is this fixed? This is riveting?

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Speaker 3: I hear him now I hear.

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Speaker 1: For the listener, Thank god, this happened in the first

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five minutes. If you're watching us, you got to see

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Will pop in and pop out over at you tube

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dot com slash at Clippers podcast. If you're listening, just

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a fun treat where Will and I got to talk.

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You could hear Adam not here Will as well.

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Speaker 2: I thought Adam was doing a bit.

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Speaker 1: It would be a great bit.

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Speaker 3: That's wild. Why could I not hear Will?

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Speaker 1: But you could a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of people could hear me when I said, oh,

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this team's about to go on a floor. All run.

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Speaker 1: Good the Clippers. But like I said, six and four

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they win the back to back incredibly tense games. We

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saw late turnovers up in Sacramento. That prevented some rest

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for some key guys. We saw clutch Terrence Man defense

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last night, which was great. KPJ had his best game

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as a Clipper. I think probably can hear me. Okay,

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there were some lows. Man, let's not pretend it's.

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Speaker 3: Been I just say he's getting better.

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Speaker 1: He is getting better, absolutely, but it's feeling. The vibes,

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I would say, are immaculate right now for Clippers fans,

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if you have any loyalty to this team from before

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this season, six and four through this has just been

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I love it. What a great way to get to

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six and four incredibly close games could be ten and

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oh it could be own to ten.

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Speaker 3: It feels like we've been through half a season already.

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Speaker 1: Well that's what it feels like.

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Speaker 3: Ten games. What are you sure it's forty one?

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Speaker 1: We have so many games left. We need to talk

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about what the Clippers are top ten in and what

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they're bottom ten in right now. We're gonna start with

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the good stuff because they're top ten and some surprising things.

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I think we are going to talk about Norm as well,

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because he's We're going to talk the best Clipper through

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ten games.

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Speaker 3: But I think in the top ten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we all know who that is. Through

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ten games, the Clippers are top ten in defensive rating,

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offensive rebounds per game, offensive rebound percentage, defensive rebounds per game,

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defensive rebound percentage, three point percentage, and pretty much much

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every single opponent shooting stat, which means their defense has

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been good. Obviously with the top five rating they have

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right now, I have my answer for what sticks out

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to me is the biggest surprise after these ten games.

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But will what sticks out to you from the Clippers stats,

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Maybe it's a different stat from these first ten games

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that you can maybe help point to their success.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think one of the most surprising

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thing has been the rebounding turnaround from especially you know,

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not having Quiet Leonard to start the season, no longer

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having Paul George in the lineup, a much smaller starting lineup.

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Speaker 1: You know that.

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Speaker 2: I definitely had my concerns about how to eat some

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crow on that, But that is something that's really stuck

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out to me because that's one of those things, like

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it's a little bit hard, I think at times to

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quantify a defense in terms of like just looking at

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stats or standing. But I've talked about this a little

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bit before, but like the Clippers, like just with how

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their their margin for how their out rebounding teams can

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keep them in a lot of games. And I think

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that's just been something that's that's really really impressive. And

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we know, you know, James Harden has said that that

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was something that Van Gundy imparted on everyone like, look,

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we're gonna need you to have a bigger role rebounding

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for this team, like it's super important.

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Speaker 1: So it's been one of those things too, right, I

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think Chris Dunn referenced that, and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just one of those things that I would

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not have thought when you especially when we figured out

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what this starting lineup was going to be coming into

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the season, I would not think that they would be

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a top ten rebounding team in both categories, you know,

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like I could see them maybe sneaking into like a

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weird offensive rebounding ones or something, but certainly to be

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top ten in both I am impressed by. I think

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I was not expected.

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Speaker 1: That was gonna be my thing because I think anyone preseason,

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right like Adam, we were kind of all told and

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we heard from Tyler like rebounding is gonna be the focus, like,

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we need to get better at it, and it's not

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just boxing out. The rebounding is what sticks out to me, Adam.

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What sticks out to you, uh.

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Speaker 3: That everybody wanting a power forward, We're all no, it

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is the rebounding kind of because of that reason, it

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is not played out that way where just because they're

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smaller out there, they're being feisty, they're boxing out. And

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maybe it makes sense because Jeff Van Gundy knows that

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rebounding is a part of defense, and their defense is

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so good, and that's just part of the deal. If

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you're gonna be a great defense, you gotta close out possessions.

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You got to be able to rebound. And they've been

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much better in that area than I ever expected, that's

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for sure. I'm hoping it holds up. If there was

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going to be slippage in an area besides just Norman

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Palace percentages going down at some point, I would assume

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it would be with rebounding. But so far, so good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that you mentioned because they're you know,

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as rosy as things are right now. We talk about fatigue,

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the minutes in the back to back that Harden and

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guys who were asked to do so much. And when

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it comes to legs and stuff like that. I like

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that point of maybe that should be kind of the

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indicator if things are starting to slip as the rebounds

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go down just because guys can't expand as much energy

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as they are on the boards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, if season lakes kicking for Harden

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and balances out at the same time, then I guess

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we're good to go. Right on that section.

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Speaker 1: It all floats up right everything. You know, A rising

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Harden raises all ships.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: In this case, I think that's incredibly true. I love

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seeing that we're fourth and defensive rating. Obviously, it takes

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longer than ten games or something like that to solidify

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into terms of like what it actually is. But for

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what we were sold in the preseason, this is a

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defensive minded team that's executing at an incredibly high level.

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You look at what you know, the top scores of

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each team have scored against the Clippers when they've played,

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and it is really that close to their season average.

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And that's not just the one guy thing. We love

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Chris Dunn, we love but toomb out on defense, and

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Derrek Jones Junior what he can bring. But this is

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a whole collective of guys being incredibly annoying to score

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the basketball against.

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Speaker 2: What was the stretch Adam last season where the Clippers

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looked like a top ten defense? Was that about the

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first eleven games?

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Speaker 1: Oh zoo initially.

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Speaker 2: Went And again, I'm not trying to reign on anybody's

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per really, I really like I've had at before.

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Speaker 1: It takes long, Like I'm.

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Speaker 2: Hoping that they can stick with this, and they can't

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stick to this. I do think, you know, we have

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seen a lot of back to backs in this five

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game stretch or this ten game stretch which is of them, yeah,

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which which is pretty alarming. I do get concerned about

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the longevity, especially just given like how far off this

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team was able to fall defensively last year. I'm not

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saying that this is the same team, obviously much different makeup,

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much different circumstances, and you know, like per and now

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why it is completely different. It definitely has been built

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with a defensive intensity in mind. But I just I

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don't want to completely throw caution to the win yet

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because it wasn't There was a Clippers team that once

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upon a time looked pretty good defensively and then never

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looked that way again.

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Speaker 1: I will say, I think for the eye test this

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first ten games, because if you look at it holistic, right,

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it's bench and starters. I agree there very much could

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be a wall coming. We're gonna talk about what they're

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not top ten and in the next segment. But yes,

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that's a great way. Once upon a time there was

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another Clippers team that was top ten.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Basically, if you take out the first eleven games

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from last season and just go last seventy one games,

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they were twenty first defensively over the last seventy one

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games of last season. So there was a precipitous fall

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right after the beginning. So I do think it's worth

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bringing up. Is the roster different, Is the personnel different?

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They got Jeff van Gundy, Yes, but could there be

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some slippitch from fourth? Was still not having Kawhi for

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a while and like guys hiring out. I could see

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Speaker 1: It's not the craziest thing to think that the defense

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won't remain fourth without Kawhi. Leonard Ye.

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Speaker 3: My prediction was top eight, like not top five. So

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Speaker 1: Top eight is great. I mean, yeah, sign me up

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for that eight and three point percentage. They're nowhere near

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the top ten and three point attempt which we're going

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to talk about. But that's been another kind of hallmark

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even during the Doc years, was low three point attempts,

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pretty high efficiency. They were always kind of in that

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twentieth rank for attempts and usually within the top ten

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ish for efficiency. Part of this is because of Norm Powell,

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who we're going to talk about a sec part part

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what part, Yeah, a small part. Well, we can get

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into that right now. So I mean, the best, the

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best Clipper through ten games. There's no qui and who it.

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Speaker 3: Is, right Clipper?

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Speaker 1: Hey, it's a Clippers pod. We got it. We got

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to drill down a little bit. I saw this, Okay,

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some people do think that I saw this stat on Twitter.

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We're not. This is Norm's time. We're talking about Norm

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twenty five points per game on sixty six percent true

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shooting through ten games of a season this century. Steph

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Curry six times, Kevin Durant four times, Lebron James twice,

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Nicole Yokich twice, Luca Joel Embiid, Paul George, Reggie Miller,

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Norm Powell. He's doing shit like this is the best

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start to a season he will ever have. That's not

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I don't mean that as disrespect. That's how amazing and

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efficient the season has been. He's he's been the best Clipper.

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They're nowhere near six and four. I mean, depending how

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far we can get from that in ten games without

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what Norman is doing this season.

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Speaker 3: No, Norm two and eight. Norm's wallet says, bad motherfucker.

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That's what Norman Powell has been for this team so far.

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It is probably my favorite thing in a while regarding

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the Clippers, seeing a guy who has put in this

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much work, who has been asking for more, getting it all,

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and then just performing at the highest level and showing

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up when he got the green light. Said it last time.

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But you know, with Paul George, sometimes you talk about

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being on his bully stuff and it wouldn't actually materialize.

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Norm Palell is standing on business. He is backing up

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all of the talk to the nth degree. It is

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incredible to watch this well.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's like the thing that's so impressive

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is like I think to a degree, every guy like

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on a roster would say, you know, like if I

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had the opportunity, if I had the sort of minutes,

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if I had exit, if I had why I could

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be a number one or number two or whatever. And

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then Norm though, like has been putting in like number

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one or number two guy work in the offseason during

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the regular seasons for so long, and then he gets

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the opportunity and like he absolutely steps up and absolutely

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knocks it out of the park. Like I think, it's

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just it's incredible to see. And I don't know, it

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was a It definitely put like an exclamation point on

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it for me. Uh when when Philly came, like when

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Philly and Paul George returned, like and I talked about

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that being like the Norm Powell revenge game, and it

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was like, man, no, he just he really is that dude,

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And it's not Yeah, it has nothing to do with

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what he says and everything to do with what he does.

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Speaker 1: He is scoring in so many different ways. I think

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Dime Dropper pointed this out. If he's coming off a

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curl on the right side, he's gonna score. He's the bucket.

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The bucket is going in for Norm Powell. He also

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he had a block at the rim last night. Like

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he's like he's scoring at an otherworldly efficient level. He

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seems more juiced up on defense too, He's seen that

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free safety role which I've mentioned, Like I it's this

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start by Norm Powell is fantastic in like every facet

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of his game.

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Speaker 2: Is he a better defender than what we got out

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of Paul George last season?

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Speaker 1: Just looking at last season, the responsibility is a little different,

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It's a lot different. So I don't know, but yeah,

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fuck it, who cares?

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Speaker 3: Guys, Like, there is no question right now even if Norm,

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let's say he keeps up seventy five percent of this

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is that realistic? Just seventy five percent of what he's

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doing right now?

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Speaker 1: He's shooting.

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Speaker 3: So like, let's say he ends up shooting like forty

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three percent from three on the season and he's at

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like forty eight percent from the field or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like twenty if he doesn't whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty two twenty one points per game. Still really efficient,

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just not you know, the craziest efficiency ever in a century. Uh,

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what you're looking at is a guy I who I

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did say this before the season started, that I wasn't

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sure if it would happen. I definitely didn't think this

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was going to happen. The easiest path to making up

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for losing Paul George is playing through Norm and him

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filling the void. I did not think you would surpass

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what Paul George was doing in many ways, and if

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you look then just contract wise between the two, there's

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no question you'd rather have Norm Powell than Paul George.

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There's no question when you when you add in the

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context of contracts.

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Speaker 1: And podcasts, Norms is great.

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Speaker 2: I love the Norm the league honestly, the best, the

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best you can aspire to in the league.

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Speaker 1: Paul George had a quote which made me so. It

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was just such a Paul George thing, just really quick.

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He said that the Sixers were in a sinking ship,

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and I was like, you played on a team who's

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named after a ship for how many seasons and you

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never made that quote. You couldn't say that, you couldn't

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use that motorphor when you played for a team that

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was ships. God, it just frustrated me. I think that's

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the epitome of how Paul George's brain works, and maybe

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my brain um so Norm Powell clearly no question the

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best climber through ten games, who's been the second best?

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Speaker 2: Zoo?

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Speaker 3: No, it's hard and still even with those shooting percentages,

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I honestly don't know. I think you could still make

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the case that Harden is the most important Clipper Norman

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has been so far.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, You're not gonna hear an argument for me

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against that. For me at all, I agree with that.

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Speaker 3: Well, if we're making that distinction, then I guess you

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could say Zoo, But I still think I don't. It's

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just Harden has so much that's required of him. Zoo's

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not doing this if Harden isn't helping, you know, he

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just affects everything on the offensive end. Like I honestly

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think they would score like eighty points per game if

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they did not have James Harden.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and well, what's what about that? What in that scenario?

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What if Zoo's putting up forty five of those eighty points?

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Speaker 3: I don't think he can do it. I have a

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big Zoo guy, but I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know if he could do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like you.

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Speaker 2: He seems to be shooting from the outside. More I

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think is is.

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Speaker 1: We've seen the pregame hook shots from just inside the

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three point line. He's drilling those every time.

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Speaker 3: This is great all but where's the Zoo mid range?

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And god, what a failure.

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Speaker 1: I like the the argument for Harden makes sense because

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even with the percentage woes, he's still getting assists.

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Speaker 2: He's still not a slow he's the most essential like

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he is still well.

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Speaker 1: He's a different argument than best through the first ten

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so far. But I think Zoo is a close third

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because Zoo has been the best that Zoo's ever been

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right now. He's close to the leading the league on boards.

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He's incredibly efficient, he's playing good defense, he's closing. It's

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a nice problem to have.

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Speaker 3: And what's crazy is like, if Harden turns his shooting around,

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which I expect him to to some degree here, absolutely will.

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I don't think it's gonna be what some people are saying.

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He's just going to hit the ground running all of

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a sudden, his seasoned legs are going to kick in.

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He's just going to be more efficient than this when

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that happens. Okay, what are their offensively right now? Twenty first?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Like, what are they exactly like?

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Speaker 3: If Harden is just average offensively with his shooting percentages,

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then what does that mean? Yeah, yeah, that could be

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an incredible boon for this team. Like then if you

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have some slippers on the defensive end, maybe you're okay,

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maybe it levels out.

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Speaker 1: And you look at us three point he's shooting twenty

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nine point six percent from three. That's around ten percent

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lower than what he usually shoots.

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Speaker 3: It's not sustainable. How bad he's been now, I do

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think there's a reason. It's not for no reason at all.

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It's he's having to do so much. He's fatigued, there

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is no kauwhai. But I still think even with all

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those things, those factors, that he can still be better

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than this moving forward, Like this probably is the bottom

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end of his efficiency.

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Speaker 2: He's got to be seeing more doubles coming this season

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than he has probably in a little while, right, Like,

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at least in the last two he's a way to

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He's such a larger right, he's such a larger folk

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point of the offense. Not you know, not that he

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hasn't been the system like everywhere he's been for the

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last couple of years. Yeah, Like for the last couple

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of years, he's had definitely more top end talent. I

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guess surrounding him to take some of that, to take

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some of that off off off.

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Speaker 1: Him, and we're gonna see it shift, right because Norm

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has to be getting doubles Tomorrow we're gonna talk about

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the Okay, see game.

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Speaker 3: But he said after last night, he was like, oh,

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I'm seeing different defenses now, but he's made some good

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passes out of this. So that's a great point. Like

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that can help out Harden. Just having Norm stay on

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this heater for as long as possible.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would. I would put myself in the camp

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of wanting Norm to stay on this heater for as

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long as possible. Call me crazy, put me on it,

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let's end it. Let's let's call it. Puff the brakes, dude.

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Anything else good that y'all would like to highlight before

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we go into the bad part of the stats for

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the Clippers, which despite what someone commented on our Twitter

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and then I had to mute them, which was there's

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no bad spots in the rotation. There's they said, not

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a single player can be a negative. I would love

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that that's not the case.

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Speaker 2: Here. I think a mere coffee like raising his floor

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as a rotation level player is unreal. I'm like, well,

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you know, the three point percentage and everything that's going

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on this season, I don't expect to be sustainable throughout

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come back down Earth before Yeah. Yeah, that's that's why

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I say though, his floor as a rotation player I

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think has raised significantly from what it has been in

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previous seasons.

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Speaker 1: Because we've seen a mirror have that thing where like

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you know, he had the fifty he had that fifty

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games in January. But then his role right now is

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nice because he's not having to like come in and

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play a bunch of minutes for somebody. Tyler's been able

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to work his minutes where it's now troll like he's

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not having to close I mean yeah.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, like he'll close out games.

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It's it's really great. It's really great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think Derek Jones Junior and his outside shooting carrying

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over from the playoffs so far has been big. Like

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I always wondered regarding the signing, it does a lot

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of it comes down to can he just be league

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averager above from the outside? Can he just do that?

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And then it is absolutely a slam dunk, so to speak,

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signing because the defense is amazing, but if he can

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knock down shots on a team where they desperately need

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guys to help spread the floor. Role players are knocked

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down shots and take them. And he's been uber aggressive,

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like he's doing everything that is asked of him on

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his new team and just I don't know, it's been

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a perfect match so far, having Derek Jones Junior with

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them when he was.

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Speaker 2: In early foul trouble that last game, like that, that

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guy that the Clippers got into a tricky situation with

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how they have to manage those minutes and rotations, he

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got three early ones. That was, Yeah, that was very telling,

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like how big he spent for this team.

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Speaker 1: Kudos to Tie for figuring that out too, because that

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I was like, oh no.

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Speaker 3: What bad move is time made? So far like he's been.

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Speaker 1: That's another great point.

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Speaker 3: We we talked about Jeff Van Gundy a lot, but

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with the sense of urgency timeouts that I really noticed

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when they were up what twenty one or twenty three

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on the Suns that second game. They ended up losing it,

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but like as soon as he got to seventeen, he's like.

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Speaker 1: Enough, oh we're not.

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Speaker 3: It went from eighteen up at the half to up

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to twenty one early third quarter, down to seventeen and

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he said, Nope, that's not good enough. And then the

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next game he called a timeout. Who is this against

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this San Antonio where within the first twenty five seconds

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of the third quarter, Yeah, they scored, Like, yeah, he

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called a timeout. Like these timeouts have been absolutely perfectly

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timed by him and just blunting some of the runs

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that have gone on against the Clippers. His rotations, I

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think have been good. Finding that lineup with KPJ Done Amir,

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but Tooms Zoo bots has been great. I don't know,

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he's he's done a spectacular job so far.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, big shout out to Tyler.

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Speaker 3: He's playing Zoo thirty five minutes a night, right.

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Speaker 1: We wanted him to. He's doing it, playing got like

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you know, he's playing done twenty eight one game if

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Terrence doesn't have it. He's stuck with Terrence in the

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second half of that Raptors game, and Terrence came up

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huge in that second half.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he just pushed all the right buttons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been great. Coming up, we're talking the complete

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opposite of what we were just talking about, which is

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the bottom ten stuff that the Clippers are in through

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the first games. Believe it or not, a team that

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is six and four does have some things to improve on.

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If you're watching us at YouTube dot com slash at

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If you're listening, it's gonna be a brief ad break,

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and then we're talking the bad team stats coming up

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in three two one.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in to Clips and Dip, your

487
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favorite podcasts about Clippers basketball, and we talked about some

488
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of the great things going on with the Clippers this season.

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Top ten in a lot of categories. Obviously, the defense

490
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has been a revelation, the style of play in general,

491
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but now we got to get into the chum bucket,

492
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the less than good things, the bad things. These are

493
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some areas where the Clippers are bottom ten. No team

494
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is perfect, and certainly the Clippers as currently constructed to

495
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have their issues. But where do we want to start

496
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with this? Should we start at the we want? Do

497
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we want to start at the bottom of the bottom?

498
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Which I think these two these two been kind of

499
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recurring things for the Clippers team. Actually, I just want

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to start with Pace at twenty nine because that's the

501
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one that actually kind of surprises me. The most. The

502
00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:50,960
pace in watching this team feels a lot different than

503
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it has in other seasons, and I think that's like

504
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just being able to get some of the easy buckets

505
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,720
we see, you know, more more transition play, a little

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bit more athleticism, people able to get in front of Harden,

507
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but the pace still hanging around that twenty ninth area,

508
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so about as slow as you could possibly get, which

509
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again not completely surprising given like you know, the history

510
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,039
of this team and certainly having an older team, but

511
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I am surprised that it is that slow.

512
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're fair. I think that's fair the.

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Speaker 3: Iteas I could see that because they've had more hit

514
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aheads or at least stretches where obviously they're getting some

515
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points in transition, and it feels like they're getting more

516
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points in transition. But I think it's about the same.

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Speaker 1: We've also, like aesthetically, I think there's a difference too,

518
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,720
because the Clippers aesthetically in transition were horrifying the last

519
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,039
couple of years. They couldn't run a three on one effectively,

520
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:51,880
and now we have half court oops, we have things

521
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,599
scoring when they're supposed to do. So Yeah, I wonder

522
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what the difference in you know, fast break opportunities it

523
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is from this year to last year, and what the

524
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efficiency was from this year to last year, and like

525
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maybe there's just less opportunities to be more efficient with

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them this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet that is the case.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. But twenty ninth is like I was, like, damn,

529
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I would have thought twenty fifth, which I understand isn't

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that big a job.

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Speaker 2: Honestly though, Yeah, Like I wouldn't have guessed top ten

532
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or anything. I would have still guest bottom ten, probably

533
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in terms of pace in the league, not twenty ninth.

534
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Speaker 3: I honestly don't think when people try to, you know,

535
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equate pace with like the higher you're up in pace,

536
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the better you are as a team.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't want to ye.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And the Wizards are top three in pace in

539
00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:46,880
the NBA. Right, Okay, see is there? Okay, Memphis is there,

540
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but then Utah another really bad team, Denver is there,

541
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Toronto and others ninth right, Yeah, Like it's it's a

542
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,599
mixed bag. Like it doesn't it's style of play. It

543
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doesn't necessarily tell you on whether or not you're really

544
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good bad team. But I see the point of you know,

545
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is an emphasis coming into this season, so it's a

546
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little bit surprising that they're even lower in pace right now.

547
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that'll work itself out. Again, I don't know pace.

548
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:15,240
I don't know how many games at takes to kind

549
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,559
of solidify and stuff like that.

550
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Speaker 2: Justin Rousseau told me pace is one of the fastest

551
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ones in the league. Shout out, he said, a lot

552
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,039
of times it's about without about a four games sample size,

553
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:29,599
the pace is fairly well determined, and like obviously there

554
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,039
can be some you know, some variations or credations that

555
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:36,400
shout out Justin Rousseau, who knows these types of things. So, yeah,

556
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,160
the Clippers are gonna does it colo team?

557
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Speaker 1: Does it count if you don't have your full roster

558
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,359
because Pj's at home, you know, kawhi As.

559
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Speaker 2: We'll get four games.

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Speaker 1: A Yeah, the one that I think the Clippers are

561
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Also there's three that I want to talk about that

562
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I think are pretty important. Twenty ninth in field goal

563
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attempts twenty seven been from three point attempts twenty eighth

564
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,799
and turnovers. The turnovers have Tyler visibly upset in some

565
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,119
postgame that ship's the turnover one.

566
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Speaker 2: Is the realist though this has just always been on

567
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like every like every iteration.

568
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:22,559
Speaker 4: The realist turnovers, like every iteration of this team since

569
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:24,599
Wilander has been on here, And obviously the roster is

570
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:27,680
still much different, but like, there's always been a turnover

571
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issue as.

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Speaker 2: They've struggled to find the right guard, and even with Harden,

573
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who I think has been more turnover prone than he

574
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,599
will be once he gets those sea legs or whatever

575
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:44,480
everybody keeps talking about. I don't think it will be

576
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this bad, but it's not gonna be great. Oh, a

577
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lot of them stob bottom ten in turnovers I think

578
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:51,640
per game.

579
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Speaker 3: It's it's the fourth quarter. I mean they're averaging in

580
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:58,400
the fourth quarter. I think over five turnovers per game

581
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and just that quarter alone, Yeah, five point three, that's

582
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thirtieth in the league. It's execution down the stretch. I

583
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,680
think some of it is just simply when the other

584
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,680
team plays their hardest, it's way harder to execute. And

585
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,160
that's the Clippers being exposed a little bit by not

586
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,039
having enough offensive talent with ball handling. But they could

587
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:19,799
still be better than this. There are still some absolutely

588
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,880
head scratching turnovers that they could do away with and

589
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,319
some of them are definitely coming from James Harden.

590
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Speaker 1: Somever come from James Harden, and then some are coming

591
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,279
from when it's late in the game and someone else

592
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:33,839
has to initiate the offense, and then Derek Jones Junior,

593
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,559
or someone's bringing the ball up and tries to throw

594
00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:37,759
an entry pass into Zoo that gets tipped and it

595
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:42,160
becomes you know, the other team's ball like it's or.

596
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,799
Speaker 3: Woffy throws it into the back court looking for Zoo

597
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,319
coming into the front court shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what did I say when we did that? That

599
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:51,599
we're throwing inbounds passes out of bounds, which is incredibly

600
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,200
difficult to do. That's what I think. You're right. I

601
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think we're gonna be hanging out at the bottom ten.

602
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,640
And we do the twenty game stat look at, I

603
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would be surprised if we're above twenty third.

604
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Speaker 3: I actually think that number is even more damning. Because

605
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they play at a slow pace, there are less opportunities

606
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:18,440
for turnovers. It's kind of like assist a turnover ratio.

607
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Teams that are high to assists usually have a little

608
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bit higher of a turnover turnovers per game, maybe not rate,

609
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but that is a little bit scary when you're that

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low in pace and you also are that high in turnovers.

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Speaker 1: So for turnover percentage, which is an estimate of turnovers

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committed per one hundred plays twenty ninth, so it's the

613
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,160
turnovers seem pretty real. The field goal attempts and three

614
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point percentage and three point attempts are we hanging out

615
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,000
in the bottom three this entire season?

616
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Speaker 3: Well, field goal attempts ties right into pace and turnovers,

617
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So I'm not surprised by that. Three point attempts. Well,

618
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,519
like a lot of that is because there are eleventh

619
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in points on the paint, Like they're not taking it betty,

620
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,119
because yeah, they're destroying. They were higher, but I think

621
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,400
it's started to balance out a little bit more because

622
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,200
they've been hot from three the last four games now.

623
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Speaker 1: But right you shoot forty four percent of the team.

624
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:19,039
Speaker 2: It's like it should take some just it just depends

625
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:22,720
on the efficiency, right, I mean, because like this team

626
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,799
when it was like a when it was its best offensively,

627
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:30,079
was still you know, in the in the middle to

628
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:34,119
bottom range of you know, field goal attempts and three

629
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:36,759
point attempts, and it's just all the efficiency has been

630
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:37,920
the name of the game. So I think it just

631
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,039
depends on how much that ends up slipping as to

632
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:42,480
how concerning that really is.

633
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't think they're gonna, like if they

634
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,799
start shooting poorly from three there, We're not going to

635
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:48,799
all of a sudden be like, oh, let's start taking

636
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,000
more three Yeah.

637
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, there's there's times where the bull sticks,

638
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,680
and there's certainly guys Terrence who like you would love

639
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,000
to see like pull the trigger a little bit soon.

640
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Speaker 1: That was the worst off cover, But like, I don't.

641
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:06,079
Speaker 2: See them being able to like drastically improve, like improve

642
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:08,240
in this area given as Adam said too, like the

643
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:11,599
pace and yeah, I don't know how they're going to

644
00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:13,079
be able to get more shots up, especially with the

645
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:15,240
rebounding being already what it is right now.

646
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: Right I did ask coach Lou, I think after the

647
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,599
first five games or something like that, with how do

648
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,920
you balance wanting to take more three pointers but you're

649
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,799
also killing it with points in the paint, And he

650
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:30,000
basically said, well, I'm okay with taking less right now

651
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,640
because we've been so good with points in the paint,

652
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:34,799
But if that starts to go the other way, I

653
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,799
think what was implying is then you got to start

654
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,960
taking some more threes from the outside. You do have

655
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,720
to play the analytics, but I hope there's a decent

656
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:45,480
balance there. I think how many attempts are they at

657
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,279
per game three point wise? Right now?

658
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,839
Speaker 1: Let me check they weren't in the bottom ten.

659
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,759
Speaker 3: I think it's still up from last season slightly.

660
00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: I believe I would have had it in there if

661
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,880
they were bottom ten and three point attens per game

662
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,759
they are. Nope, I'm wrong. They're twenty seven three point

663
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:03,519
attempts per game.

664
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Speaker 3: And how many is that at.

665
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: Thirty two thirty two?

666
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: That might be then one below where they were at

667
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:11,759
last season.

668
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Speaker 1: Let me check that would be.

669
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, three thirty three.

670
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,519
Speaker 1: But thirty three was also twenty first last season, and

671
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:23,200
they're at thirty two now and they're twenty whatever, So

672
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:25,200
not a crazy margin.

673
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking about one difference, but I don't think

674
00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:32,000
there were was good with points in the paint also

675
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:35,480
last season, so it would make sense that they're taking

676
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:40,279
slightly less threes. I just hope that coach to Louise

677
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:42,759
to always stress that it's about taking the right type

678
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,640
of threes. But I think coming into this season, they're like, well,

679
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,759
we can't really do that anymore. That was, you know,

680
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,160
the luxury of having a great offense where you could

681
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,200
pick and choose how to attack and dismantle teams. Now

682
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,039
it's like you do have to play the analytics at

683
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:57,680
some degree. You do have to stretch the floor out

684
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,640
there and help out James Harden so they could run

685
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,640
high pick roll. You got to put up some threes.

686
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:05,480
But if they're still hanging in there with close to

687
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,599
being a top ten points in the paint team, I

688
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:09,760
don't see it as that big of a deal. Currently,

689
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We'll see where it goes.

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Speaker 1: They're twenty third in points per game, twenty first and

691
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,400
offensive rating. I mean, I like.

692
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Speaker 3: I mean that's the one that matters, like all the

693
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:25,320
other stuff. Yeah, because the other stu's dependent on like pace.

694
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,280
It's like, okay, yeah, they're taking less shots, so they're

695
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,079
playing a smaller pace, But how efficient are they every possession?

696
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,800
Offensive rating? Honestly, that's that's a lot of norms. Still,

697
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,239
they could easily be bottom five off rating.

698
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you what do we see? Let's call

699
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,840
it the twenty game mark, not you know, it's only

700
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,880
ten more games, are I still think they're going to

701
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,800
be creeping around seventeen to twenty one or whatever because Kawhi,

702
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:53,880
I mean, Kawhi is not going to be back in

703
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:59,159
the next ten games. I don't think so. I think

704
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:01,679
they're creeping around that twenty number.

705
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, i'd sign up for it. Like if you

706
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:08,800
that's good, if you can stay around a top five defense,

707
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,239
but your offense is around twentieth right now, you're kind

708
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,800
of hanging in there, and then they could just execute

709
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,039
better at the end of games, Like what's there? Okay,

710
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:20,480
they're offensive rating in fourth quarters right now, I'm interested

711
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:23,039
in seeing what that is, Like how much of a

712
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:25,199
dip are we talking just at the end of games

713
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:28,920
where they've had these bad turnovers and miss free throws

714
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,800
and stuff. They are twenty sixth So yeah, they're commers

715
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,119
and fourth quarters. That's that's problematic because I think in

716
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:40,599
first quarters, let's see where they're at first quarters, they're

717
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:42,719
fourteenth offensively.

718
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: Damn and they're they're half court offensive rating. This is

719
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:51,400
from Shane Young. Shout out Shane Young, ninety one in

720
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,039
the half court.

721
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awful.

722
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,079
Speaker 1: That is that is bad in the eighties. That's like

723
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,480
which one of these is the biggest surprise. They're twenty

724
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,760
first in blocks their twentieth and free throw percentage, which

725
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,360
is another thing that makes all of these games stressful.

726
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,039
Last night against the Raptors, my heart was in my

727
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:17,639
damn throw. That was brutal with those free throws.

728
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 3: The free throws is troubling and they.

729
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,119
Speaker 1: Should be bet at too, I think right they.

730
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: Started off the season though, so bad there they were

731
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:29,800
bottom three, like after the first five games, and Zubots

732
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,440
was shooting like fifty percent, and then he had the

733
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,079
game where he went five for five and kind of

734
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:35,320
maked up made up for some of those misfree throws

735
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,159
against Portland blocks. I don't really care about that stuff.

736
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:40,960
I don't think that's indicative of how good you are

737
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,960
as a defense. Kind of like sacks versus QB hurries, Like,

738
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,360
if you're hurting the quarterback a lot, that's what you want.

739
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,000
It doesn't always end up in a sack, but if

740
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:50,599
you're deterring guys from getting to the rim, and Zubots's case,

741
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,760
like that's you know, he doesn't average four blocks a game,

742
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,320
but he's still went. He was the best rent protector

743
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,360
in the league last season because the guys don't even

744
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,960
test him and he's redirecting stuff.

745
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:02,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good call. Will, what is the biggest

746
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:05,239
surprise to you in the bottom ten stats? Before we

747
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,480
pick the worst Clipper through ten games. Because we picked

748
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,039
the best, we have to pick the worst. That's how

749
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:10,760
these things work.

750
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: That. Yeah, the free throw percentage, I would say is

751
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:22,159
is pretty troubling just given how much time at least

752
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,400
two to three really of our starting five are going

753
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,880
to spend at the line. It's yeah, especially for an

754
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,440
older team, a team that struggles so much in pace

755
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:36,239
and getting shots up, they really need to be making

756
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,559
the most of the three opportunities that they have if

757
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:42,800
they want to get you know, if they want to

758
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,960
get out of the bottom ten offensively. And I really

759
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,280
think like if this team could just get into say

760
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,760
the bottom half offensively, like let's say let's say sixteen

761
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,920
or seventeen, maybe eighteen, all right, I won't be greedy

762
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,679
and can maintain a high level defensively. Like I think

763
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,800
you're kind of cooking on something that's at the very

764
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,719
least going to be very very annoying for opposing teams

765
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:09,679
as we get closer into the as we get closer

766
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:18,159
into the postseason, So that is one. I would expect

767
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:19,760
that one to turn around quite a bit because it

768
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,679
hasn't been very good and it seems pretty eat like

769
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:27,320
it's like something that should even have. It seems addressable.

770
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: As my old coach used to say, they're free they're

771
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:31,960
free throws.

772
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: They are. If you just go last five games as

773
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,719
opposed to the first five games, there's sixteenth free throw

774
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,679
percentage wise, which still is not that big a talking.

775
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 2: Let's just get to the bottom half.

776
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:48,559
Speaker 3: What what worries me? Also, it's attempts. It's that low

777
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,639
shooting wise, plus they're only eighteenth in attempts per game.

778
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:56,440
Combining those two things being almost bottom ten pretty much,

779
00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:59,000
that's that's a little bit troublesome.

780
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Adam. Any one that jumps out at

781
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,840
you from the bottom ten in particular.

782
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:12,119
Speaker 3: Uh man, I think we covered everything. It's don't I

783
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:14,079
don't dwell on the negativity, Like why would I want

784
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:18,320
to bring up another I would never points off of

785
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,119
turnovers and fourth quarters in particular, the Clippers are like

786
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:24,599
a point worse than the next worst team. They're thirtieth

787
00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:27,159
in that area. Teams were scoring. I think going into

788
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,920
last game seven point one points off of turnovers in

789
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,079
the fourth quarter against the Clippers. They're giving up seven

790
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:37,119
point one and I think the next closest was like six,

791
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,320
Like they're thirtieth by a mile, by a full point basically.

792
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fourth quarter stats. I guess what jumps out

793
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,559
at me is how bad probably every single offensive fourth

794
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:52,760
quarters for the most part. Adam said he didn't want

795
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,119
to dwell on negativity. So we're into a quick segue.

796
00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:59,280
Who's been the worst Clipper through ten games? There has

797
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,679
to be a worse I know it's PJ. Tucker. He

798
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:04,719
hasn't even been there.

799
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,039
Speaker 3: But he's still a Clipper and he's been the worst.

800
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: No, it's uh in terms of people who get actual

801
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:20,000
playing time. Hey, that's fair. And unfortunately everyone's talking about

802
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:23,480
Terrence Man. How frustrating all of that is. But he

803
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:26,239
gave us great defense last night. I guess, will, who

804
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:26,840
would you pick?

805
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Will? I mean Kai? Is the rotation very true?

806
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,800
What was already like? Was it even ten guys?

807
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: Right? It was nine and a half and then Kai?

808
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I honestly don't think like I don't think he's

809
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:52,239
costing them a game, Like I don't think he's been

810
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:52,639
that bad.

811
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: No one's cost. So that's the other part that I

812
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,480
Ki or Terrence, anybody I would argue.

813
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 3: I guess both, but Kai in particular, like the minutes

814
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,159
he was getting it most for ten minutes, and I

815
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:05,679
don't think he was. He wasn't like he didn't get

816
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:09,480
shellacked in some plus minus in one game or anything

817
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:12,079
like that was like god, Ki just screwed him. Like, honestly,

818
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:13,760
I don't think it's been that bad. And coach was

819
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,679
asked about him last night because he had been going

820
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,280
to small ball more and he says because the opponents

821
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,800
they've been playing recently have had more small ball lineups.

822
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,639
But obviously, I think they went plus seven the last

823
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:25,800
five minutes of that third quarter last night when they

824
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,000
went small ball at the Tomb and it worked and

825
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:31,480
Ky didn't get back in. He played like two minutes

826
00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:33,719
in the first half and that was it. So I

827
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,320
mean it sounds like Moses Brown could be back sooner

828
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:37,039
than later too.

829
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: Whoa who Moses Brown? Sorry, no, I'm no, I'm the

830
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:43,760
season is over.

831
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 3: I than them, Obama.

832
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,119
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, I missed a press release today.

833
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:54,599
I've had a very relaxing Sunday. I missed something big,

834
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,280
I think, and because it's because of the expectation say

835
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,559
we all had and because we love this player, is

836
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:04,920
that the first ten games of Terrence man season has

837
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,519
not been what people have wanted. And I don't and

838
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,199
I'm not saying like he's again. No one who's been

839
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,519
bad this year for the Rivers has cost them the game.

840
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:16,280
We haven't like lot like like Adam said, It's not

841
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,360
been like, oh, Kai screwed it, or like, oh, Terrence

842
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,639
screwed it, like partly because of how good Tylu has

843
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:26,000
been with the rotations, but Terrence. I hope when we

844
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:29,000
do the twenty game check in that Terrence is part

845
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:32,320
of the the Oh he's turned it around.

846
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: I hope last night was the start. Well, it wasn't

847
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:37,360
him hitting shots. The defense was e leite down the

848
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,800
stretch to help win in the game. And I was

849
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,599
just happy Coach Lew went back to him because he

850
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:43,800
had those back to back transition points in the third

851
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,440
quarter where he actually looked like himself, and before that

852
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:48,760
I was kind of like, man.

853
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: There's a rough That was a rough Terrence game leading

854
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:51,920
up to that.

855
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Yeah, he was not looking for a shot

856
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,039
at all. I murdy got like an offensive rebound and

857
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,679
like was near the rim and had like Ben Simmons

858
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:01,679
type of moment where it was.

859
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:03,519
Speaker 2: Like passed it out, Yeah.

860
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,119
Speaker 3: Why are you kicking out? You're right there. Confidence has

861
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:10,000
gotta be a little but maybe higher after last night.

862
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that has been tough. And I mean yeah, like

863
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,199
you said, he hasn't actively been losing US games. It's

864
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,159
just been I even feel like I was fairly tempered

865
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:22,719
in my expectations for for Terrence's you know, like growth

866
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,480
and what potentially he could.

867
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,519
Speaker 1: I know I was wrong, and yeah.

868
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: It's it's just it's just tough to watch at times.

869
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,480
And yeah, although he does seem to be turning it

870
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:39,519
around someone or at least last game, I gotta be

871
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:42,559
honest with you, man, a lot of the KPJ minutes

872
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:46,519
to me have been hard on the eyes to watch.

873
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:51,760
It's offensively, it is not that aesthetic or fun of

874
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,960
basketball to me to watch when when he's out there

875
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,440
and other like other opposed like opposed it. When I

876
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,239
catch the broadcast from the team, almost every time I

877
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,800
watch it, there's a moment where they're like, oh, wow,

878
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,679
he's really just kind of out there looking for his

879
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,960
own shot. Huh, And it's like, yeah, that's that's about

880
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,280
the long and short of it. And sometimes it works

881
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,840
and other times it is just tough to watch it. Again,

882
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:18,400
not losing us games, I'm not saying that, but uh,

883
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,239
it's not fun to watch, is what I'm saying.

884
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: Another game where last night you hope it's the start

885
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,960
of uh, the the upswing. Someone we were talking in

886
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,400
the press room that Derek Jones does a lot of

887
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,800
the stuff that Terrence did last year, which was take

888
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,920
the open threes, crash the boards and stuff like that,

889
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:40,840
so that I think is playing into Terrence's not elite

890
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,880
start to the season on.

891
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,519
Speaker 2: Top of Derek's shoulders r against.

892
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:53,599
Speaker 3: It that that's not a bad skill set to be

893
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,840
duplicatus or whatever. If I should say, uh, duplicate this

894
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,159
duplic I think that's something where you can't have enough

895
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,840
of those guys. It's just Terrence is not doing enough

896
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,559
of it right now. And honestly, I do think if

897
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:14,519
you really think about it, based upon expectations and contract

898
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:18,679
and minutes given, Terrence has been the worst Clipper so

899
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,679
far and with the most room to grow, you could

900
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,440
say after the first ten games. It has been like

901
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,920
if like, if you got benched at this point, I

902
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,159
would be like whatever, like put a mere coffee and

903
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,960
put Chris Done in. It is earned, Like, at what

904
00:45:33,079 --> 00:45:37,360
point do you go? Well? One side of the argument is, hey,

905
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,559
he does this every years, Guys, doesn't he starts slow

906
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:42,559
over a year, don't you guys realize this. It's like, okay, great,

907
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:49,000
so every year. So that's twenty January. So over three years,

908
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,360
that's like sixty games of him not playing like himself

909
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:57,760
over just twenty games starting off each year. That's not great.

910
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,280
That's really frustrating.

911
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,119
Speaker 1: Plenty of time to turn around for Terrence. It's gonna

912
00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:06,599
be interesting when Kawhi comes back. What's starting line up

913
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:08,599
looks like? But I think right now to your point, Adam,

914
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,079
it's probably Kawhi coming in for Terrence's spot and Terrence go.

915
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:14,079
Speaker 3: That's a ton deal.

916
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:19,159
Speaker 1: It makes Done seem crazy. Don't let us know your

917
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:21,079
thoughts on the worst part of the Clipper seasons. Let

918
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:22,400
us know your thoughts on the best part of the

919
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,159
Clippers seasons at clipperspot on Twitter, over at YouTube dot com.

920
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,880
Slash at Clippers podcast coming up. We're doing a very

921
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:34,039
quick preview of Clippers versus Thunder. Yeah, well, there's gonna

922
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:36,679
be an audio break. Visually we'll still be here, but audibly,

923
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,599
there's gonna be some ads coming up in three two one.

924
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Speaker 3: Welcome back in It's Clips and Dip Season three, episode

925
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,800
twenty seven. I'm at a Maslin. We've got Chuck Macklin,

926
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,320
will Updyke who I can now hear? We can all

927
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,719
hear each other. Everything is fine.

928
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:50,639
Speaker 1: Uh.

929
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 3: Clippers taken on the Okac Thunder again for like the

930
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,679
second time in a week, this time in okay See

931
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,039
to start off a a three game road trip where

932
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:01,239
they got a two gamer in Houston. Come up Wednesday

933
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,239
and Friday, but okay see tomorrow on Monday. And it

934
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,800
looks like the Thunder will be without Chet Holmgren as

935
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,519
he left the game against the Golden State Warriors today

936
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:14,079
on Sunday with a hip injury, and by the way

937
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:16,239
he was helped off the floor, you just wouldn't expect

938
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,199
him to play again on a.

939
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: Back to back.

940
00:47:18,039 --> 00:47:21,039
Speaker 3: Hopefully he's okay in the long run here, because obviously

941
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,199
they're also short on bigs already without Hartenstein, so this

942
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,159
is a really big loss. And hey, do the Clippers

943
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:28,880
need to feel bad for anyone. No, you have to

944
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,440
take advantage of whoever is playing, whoever is in front

945
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,280
of you, whoever is able to go. So they got

946
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,480
to go all out now and have a better opportunity

947
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:38,960
to win this game. I guess if Chet Holmgren is

948
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,000
not going to be available, so take advantage.

949
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:43,599
Speaker 1: Do what you can feed Zoo. They didn't do it

950
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:45,760
last time when Chet was on him.

951
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 3: They tried in that start of the fourth quarter.

952
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. The Clippers lost one of five ninety

953
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,400
two last time. They lost ten turnovers by ten. There's

954
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,159
just no flow offensively, also.

955
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:00,599
Speaker 3: Led by thirteen this game.

956
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, this was a game where you see kind

957
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,079
of what maybe the best team in the Western Conference

958
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,440
right now looks like. But again, the lack of bigs

959
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,320
could be an issue. The Thunder are already not very

960
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,920
good at rebounding. Opponents grab more rebounds per game versus

961
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,519
Thunder than anyone else. Chet's not going to be there.

962
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:24,599
I don't know what could. The biggest thing that could

963
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:26,239
go wrong for me is that the Thunder are the

964
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,880
best defensive team in the league right now, and they're

965
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:33,840
very fast, which feels like two things that don't equal

966
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:36,719
and not none of these games are going to be easy.

967
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,920
But the Clippers version of easy does not exist against

968
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:40,599
the Thunder team.

969
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 3: Even with chutout, fear does not exist inside the Star.

970
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,400
They are still the best defensive team, and they've actually

971
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,440
widened their margin versus the second best defensive team. There

972
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,719
be seven point three on their defensive rating. The second

973
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,440
best team is one to six point five? Are you

974
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:02,679
kidding me? Quad win six point five? The station I

975
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,119
used to listen to for alternative rock in the nineties

976
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,960
is the second best defensive rating, and that's Golden State,

977
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,920
who they're currently playing right now.

978
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: They're gonna lose to you, I believe God.

979
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:15,599
Speaker 3: That makes tomorrow even tough for I was really hoping

980
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:18,800
they'd win that game. But they're not gonna have Chet tomorrow.

981
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,199
I mean, yeah, the speed that they play with them

982
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,480
just focusing in more or maybe more outside shooting. I

983
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:29,639
mean Chet does that too, but they still might put

984
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,280
up even more threes without him. I don't know what

985
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,920
their big adjustment's gonna because it's just a funky situation

986
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:38,800
without him and Hartenstein. Now that's really tough.

987
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,519
Speaker 1: It's just a funky situation. Will what do you. How

988
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:44,440
do you feel about this game? Not great?

989
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:47,599
Speaker 2: I think that's the I think that this you.

990
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: Of all people, are you don't have shed?

991
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 3: It's are you?

992
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,519
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be any Clippers win streak, but

993
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,119
it's gonna put up a good effort. I'm gonna be

994
00:49:58,159 --> 00:49:58,920
proud of my guys.

995
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: What did Norm have against Okac? Last time? He had

996
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,679
twenty four? He went nine of fourteen shot from three.

997
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 2: He's gonna double it.

998
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: He might have to. I mean, we don't know what

999
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,760
the team's gonna look like. It's gonna be interesting.

1000
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: It's not a good there is the rest advantage. It's

1001
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,880
not a good This isn't a good matchup.

1002
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,559
Speaker 3: They were up by thirteen. They should have won that

1003
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:33,760
first game, Dammit.

1004
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,599
Speaker 1: They should have. Isaiah Joe also went off. He was

1005
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:39,679
four for eight from three the last time we played.

1006
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,639
I don't know who is getting right to it, Adam

1007
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:52,000
will Who is your Kawhi? Leonard James harden Avitza Zubats,

1008
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:56,119
Norman Powell? Maybe we could. You can include Norman Powell

1009
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:59,000
in a game against the Thunder You cannot? All right?

1010
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 2: You can include Norman every game? This is not fair?

1011
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,639
Speaker 1: All right? Who is your pick for the Kawhi Leonard

1012
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:09,280
Avitz Box, James Harden, Norman Powell Player of the game,

1013
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,800
Clippers Verse Thunder, which is gonna be a five pm

1014
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:13,519
Pacific time.

1015
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone was picked this Jr. Is

1016
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,000
that your pick?

1017
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:23,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my pick, so the bitch.

1018
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone Okay, I don't know if

1019
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,920
anyone's picked this guy so far this season. But he

1020
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:32,119
just hit two three pointers and back to back possessions

1021
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:34,719
last game. KPJ is my pick.

1022
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: Hey bench scoring that we were talking. If he just

1023
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,079
takes more threes, I'm happy with it. Stop taking these

1024
00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:46,320
long twos, KP.

1025
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 2: I think if the shots, I think if the shots

1026
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,719
selection could change a lot about already like how his

1027
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,000
game is, I think would be fine. I think just

1028
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:56,840
even watching him the ball stop with him and him

1029
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,119
taking threes instead of those prodding twos that he takes

1030
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:00,920
forever to get into.

1031
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: I think on the boards.

1032
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:05,639
Speaker 3: He's been great on the boards.

1033
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: Guy.

1034
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 3: It's like, really, he's been putting in a good effort.

1035
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:08,960
There there were.

1036
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, defensively, overall, he's been putting in a good effort.

1037
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: Not a liability, which is huge for the clips.

1038
00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, how about that? Like Zubos praised his defense last

1039
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,719
night and also said something really interesting. Even zubats I

1040
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,000
guess Norman Palla said this as well postgame, but they

1041
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:26,679
both said, you don't have to dance so much. You

1042
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,880
can make a guy, you can shake a guy with

1043
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,880
one move and go. You don't have to keep dancing.

1044
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,880
And you kind of saw that, like he was being

1045
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,199
more decisive and if that changes, if he can figure

1046
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,559
that out. I do think it's been kind of impressive

1047
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:43,119
where he started the first three games as to how

1048
00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:45,719
he's looked maybe the last three or four games, there

1049
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,280
has been definitely a change. So if he keeps going

1050
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,159
in this direction, it's gonna look like Coach lou and

1051
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:55,039
the Clippers were right to uh to invest.

1052
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,159
Speaker 1: So you're going KPJ. Will, You're going, Derek Jones Junior, Damn.

1053
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,119
Speaker 3: You got nothing I got.

1054
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:06,079
Speaker 2: I'm appreciate Ternce turned around. Part two.

1055
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: I'm not not there yet.

1056
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: Uh.

1057
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:17,079
Speaker 1: I think it's uh, it's a mere coffee. I think

1058
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:19,599
it's gotta be a mere two weeks.

1059
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:22,079
Speaker 3: I think he's on the exempt list.

1060
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:24,679
Speaker 1: No. A. Mires never on the exemp list unless he

1061
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:29,559
shoots fifty for the month from November eleventh to December eleventh.

1062
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: Soon you're gonna either be able to pick you can

1063
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,440
pick Christy, you can pick Brown, or you can pick Miller.

1064
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,599
All right, those are your.

1065
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: Three joint That is it?

1066
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:39,159
Speaker 2: Wet rotate.

1067
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I'm switching mine because we haven't even mentioned him.

1068
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,079
We mentioned him briefly in the beginning. Chris Donne. We

1069
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:48,079
did not good call.

1070
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: Actually done and off this episode, so sorry listeners.

1071
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 3: That might have been his worst game and it was

1072
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,639
still pretty good. Yeah, I mean he had to steal

1073
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:01,159
on r J Barrett for the donk, which.

1074
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,199
Speaker 2: Everyone shooting has been so needed, especially like with KPJ

1075
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,599
handling the ball so much, like, yeah.

1076
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,119
Speaker 1: That's stealing RJ Barrett. I felt like everyonet into it

1077
00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:12,800
dome was like good luck RJ. Like as soon as

1078
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,800
he started, as soon as he was, like get out

1079
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,079
of the way. It was too much dancing, Like, dude,

1080
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:19,559
you're going against Chris. He's gonna take the ball from here.

1081
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,320
So I'm going Chris Dunn, and I love that. I

1082
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,079
think I'm right.

1083
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,679
Speaker 2: Started all the Dunheads. We did not talk enough about don.

1084
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: Yes, but we're not edge right here. Yeah, knock on

1085
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,360
wood he plays for You know that about wraps it

1086
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,599
up for us. The Clippers do have two games versus

1087
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:41,719
the Rockets after they play the Thunder tomorrow, both of

1088
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,280
them in Houston. Probably gonna do a Thursday for y'all

1089
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,320
in some post game hangs. It was a fun time

1090
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,480
on AM five seventy last night, Adam, thank you for

1091
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,320
having me on. Despite what Will's contract says.

1092
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 3: Well, you ripped it up. So what was I supposed

1093
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:54,159
to do?

1094
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: They told me it was ironclad, but I said, this

1095
00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:56,920
is just paper.

1096
00:54:58,719 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 2: Not the way it works.

1097
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:01,639
Speaker 1: I hate it.

1098
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,639
Speaker 2: I talk to my notary.

1099
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,599
Speaker 1: Will. Where can these people now that the Clippers have

1100
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:11,639
solidified themselves as contenders with a six and four record

1101
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:14,280
over ten games and one of the better defenses in

1102
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:21,320
the entire league? Where can people demand that their significant others, employers,

1103
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,000
postman post people listen to this, So.

1104
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,679
Speaker 2: Tell your father it's time to take the Clippers seriously.

1105
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,719
You can listen to them over at Apple. Podcasts are

1106
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,840
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1107
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,119
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1108
00:55:38,199 --> 00:55:40,079
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1109
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:44,000
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1110
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:46,360
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1111
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1112
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,039
It's like at least three times a week.

1113
00:55:51,079 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1114
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,199
Speaker 2: We don't have the exact cadence nailed down to say

1115
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,440
a day per day type thing, but we got new

1116
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,920
content for you at least three times a week. But however,

1117
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:01,679
you listen to the show.

1118
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, We really do. And before we let

1119
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,039
you out, some of us have tomorrow off, which I'm

1120
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:11,880
going to enjoy. Adam. One positive thing for these Clippers

1121
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,719
fans after this wonderful weekend.

1122
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:16,519
Speaker 3: You know, if you guys want to come for me.

1123
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:19,280
I said they'd be five and five after ten games,

1124
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,840
or at least I'd sign up for that, and they're

1125
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:28,559
six and four. So big fraud right here. Now there's

1126
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:30,960
six and four. They're six and four, and they could

1127
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,679
easily be seven and three. Now they could easily be

1128
00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:36,000
four and six, but they are six and four. I mean,

1129
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,639
I don't want to quote Bill Parcells, but in this case,

1130
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,679
maybe you are were record or what your record says

1131
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,679
you are, like, maybe maybe things have kind of even

1132
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,239
out with games they easily maybe should have lost and

1133
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,079
then some games they should have won, and now they're

1134
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:52,880
at six and four and it feels about right.

1135
00:56:53,679 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels about right. Thank you for hanging out

1136
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,119
with us. We will be back for y'all in some form,

1137
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:05,440
probably post game, after the Thunder game. Yeah, as always,

1138
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,599
thank you for hanging out, and let's go clips