Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season three,
twenty seven of Clips and Dip. I am Chuck Buckler,
joined by Adam Oslin and William Updyke. It's been ten games.
The Clippers are six and four. They've played three back
to backs. They are, I would argue, exceeding expectations in
certain areas. We're gonna talk what the Clippers are top
ten in what they're bottom ten in a bit of
a preview of the Thunder game as well, that's going
on on Monday. Before we get into all of that,
Adam Will, how are you guys doing after that? Absolutely?
I mean not a shot. Not surprising given how the
season has gone incredibly close. Win over the Raptors last.
Speaker 2: Night, and again I told you guys, they are going
on a four game win streak.
Speaker 1: They did it.
Speaker 3: We're doing great, doing great well.
Speaker 2: But I'm great man. I knew this was gonna happen.
Speaker 3: So we can't hear you, by man?
Speaker 1: Oh I can hear him?
Speaker 3: Oh you can.
Speaker 2: Talk myself.
Speaker 3: I'm not here.
Speaker 1: Oh No, Well, I can hear Will, and I can
hear Adam Will say. I can hear about that, but
not Will Will.
Speaker 2: Adam you're looking very well rested.
Speaker 1: F me. Oh no, wait, what is going on?
Speaker 3: I'm seriously not hearing Will.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, oh here, let me.
Speaker 2: Kick myself out and bring myself back in.
Speaker 3: You were laughing because you couldn't hear it either. We're
just lett him go.
Speaker 1: No, I can absolutely. Will's gonna remove himself and Adam
back in. If you're watching on YouTube, all right, Adam, Will,
can you hear?
Speaker 2: Is this fixed? This is riveting?
Speaker 3: I hear him now I hear.
Speaker 1: For the listener, Thank god, this happened in the first
five minutes. If you're watching us, you got to see
Will pop in and pop out over at you tube
dot com slash at Clippers podcast. If you're listening, just
a fun treat where Will and I got to talk.
You could hear Adam not here Will as well.
Speaker 2: I thought Adam was doing a bit.
Speaker 1: It would be a great bit.
Speaker 3: That's wild. Why could I not hear Will?
Speaker 1: But you could a.
Speaker 2: Lot of people could hear me when I said, oh,
this team's about to go on a floor. All run.
Speaker 1: Good the Clippers. But like I said, six and four
they win the back to back incredibly tense games. We
saw late turnovers up in Sacramento. That prevented some rest
for some key guys. We saw clutch Terrence Man defense
last night, which was great. KPJ had his best game
as a Clipper. I think probably can hear me. Okay,
there were some lows. Man, let's not pretend it's.
Speaker 3: Been I just say he's getting better.
Speaker 1: He is getting better, absolutely, but it's feeling. The vibes,
I would say, are immaculate right now for Clippers fans,
if you have any loyalty to this team from before
this season, six and four through this has just been
I love it. What a great way to get to
six and four incredibly close games could be ten and
oh it could be own to ten.
Speaker 3: It feels like we've been through half a season already.
Speaker 1: Well that's what it feels like.
Speaker 3: Ten games. What are you sure it's forty one?
Speaker 1: We have so many games left. We need to talk
about what the Clippers are top ten in and what
they're bottom ten in right now. We're gonna start with
the good stuff because they're top ten and some surprising things.
I think we are going to talk about Norm as well,
because he's We're going to talk the best Clipper through
ten games.
Speaker 3: But I think in the top ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we all know who that is. Through
ten games, the Clippers are top ten in defensive rating,
offensive rebounds per game, offensive rebound percentage, defensive rebounds per game,
defensive rebound percentage, three point percentage, and pretty much much
every single opponent shooting stat, which means their defense has
been good. Obviously with the top five rating they have
right now, I have my answer for what sticks out
to me is the biggest surprise after these ten games.
But will what sticks out to you from the Clippers stats,
Maybe it's a different stat from these first ten games
that you can maybe help point to their success.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think one of the most surprising
thing has been the rebounding turnaround from especially you know,
not having Quiet Leonard to start the season, no longer
having Paul George in the lineup, a much smaller starting lineup.
Speaker 1: You know that.
Speaker 2: I definitely had my concerns about how to eat some
crow on that, But that is something that's really stuck
out to me because that's one of those things, like
it's a little bit hard, I think at times to
quantify a defense in terms of like just looking at
stats or standing. But I've talked about this a little
bit before, but like the Clippers, like just with how
their their margin for how their out rebounding teams can
keep them in a lot of games. And I think
that's just been something that's that's really really impressive. And
we know, you know, James Harden has said that that
was something that Van Gundy imparted on everyone like, look,
we're gonna need you to have a bigger role rebounding
for this team, like it's super important.
Speaker 1: So it's been one of those things too, right, I
think Chris Dunn referenced that, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just one of those things that I would
not have thought when you especially when we figured out
what this starting lineup was going to be coming into
the season, I would not think that they would be
a top ten rebounding team in both categories, you know,
like I could see them maybe sneaking into like a
weird offensive rebounding ones or something, but certainly to be
top ten in both I am impressed by. I think
I was not expected.
Speaker 1: That was gonna be my thing because I think anyone preseason,
right like Adam, we were kind of all told and
we heard from Tyler like rebounding is gonna be the focus, like,
we need to get better at it, and it's not
just boxing out. The rebounding is what sticks out to me, Adam.
What sticks out to you, uh.
Speaker 3: That everybody wanting a power forward, We're all no, it
is the rebounding kind of because of that reason, it
is not played out that way where just because they're
smaller out there, they're being feisty, they're boxing out. And
maybe it makes sense because Jeff Van Gundy knows that
rebounding is a part of defense, and their defense is
so good, and that's just part of the deal. If
you're gonna be a great defense, you gotta close out possessions.
You got to be able to rebound. And they've been
much better in that area than I ever expected, that's
for sure. I'm hoping it holds up. If there was
going to be slippage in an area besides just Norman
Palace percentages going down at some point, I would assume
it would be with rebounding. But so far, so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that you mentioned because they're you know,
as rosy as things are right now. We talk about fatigue,
right we talk about the amount of minutes, I mean,
the minutes in the back to back that Harden and
Norm had to play was quite a bit for two
guys who were asked to do so much. And when
it comes to legs and stuff like that. I like
that point of maybe that should be kind of the
indicator if things are starting to slip as the rebounds
go down just because guys can't expand as much energy
as they are on the boards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, if season lakes kicking for Harden
and balances out at the same time, then I guess
we're good to go. Right on that section.
Speaker 1: It all floats up right everything. You know, A rising
Harden raises all ships.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: In this case, I think that's incredibly true. I love
seeing that we're fourth and defensive rating. Obviously, it takes
longer than ten games or something like that to solidify
into terms of like what it actually is. But for
what we were sold in the preseason, this is a
defensive minded team that's executing at an incredibly high level.
You look at what you know, the top scores of
each team have scored against the Clippers when they've played,
and it is really that close to their season average.
And that's not just the one guy thing. We love
Chris Dunn, we love but toomb out on defense, and
Derrek Jones Junior what he can bring. But this is
a whole collective of guys being incredibly annoying to score
the basketball against.
Speaker 2: What was the stretch Adam last season where the Clippers
looked like a top ten defense? Was that about the
first eleven games?
Speaker 1: Oh zoo initially.
Speaker 2: Went And again, I'm not trying to reign on anybody's
per really, I really like I've had at before.
Speaker 1: It takes long, Like I'm.
Speaker 2: Hoping that they can stick with this, and they can't
stick to this. I do think, you know, we have
seen a lot of back to backs in this five
game stretch or this ten game stretch which is of them, yeah,
which which is pretty alarming. I do get concerned about
the longevity, especially just given like how far off this
team was able to fall defensively last year. I'm not
saying that this is the same team, obviously much different makeup,
much different circumstances, and you know, like per and now
why it is completely different. It definitely has been built
with a defensive intensity in mind. But I just I
don't want to completely throw caution to the win yet
because it wasn't There was a Clippers team that once
upon a time looked pretty good defensively and then never
looked that way again.
Speaker 1: I will say, I think for the eye test this
first ten games, because if you look at it holistic, right,
it's bench and starters. I agree there very much could
be a wall coming. We're gonna talk about what they're
not top ten and in the next segment. But yes,
that's a great way. Once upon a time there was
another Clippers team that was top ten.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Basically, if you take out the first eleven games
from last season and just go last seventy one games,
they were twenty first defensively over the last seventy one
games of last season. So there was a precipitous fall
right after the beginning. So I do think it's worth
bringing up. Is the roster different, Is the personnel different?
They got Jeff van Gundy, Yes, but could there be
some slippitch from fourth? Was still not having Kawhi for
a while and like guys hiring out. I could see
it happen.
Speaker 1: It's not the craziest thing to think that the defense
won't remain fourth without Kawhi. Leonard Ye.
Speaker 3: My prediction was top eight, like not top five. So
we'll see.
Speaker 1: Top eight is great. I mean, yeah, sign me up
for that eight and three point percentage. They're nowhere near
the top ten and three point attempt which we're going
to talk about. But that's been another kind of hallmark
even during the Doc years, was low three point attempts,
pretty high efficiency. They were always kind of in that
twentieth rank for attempts and usually within the top ten
ish for efficiency. Part of this is because of Norm Powell,
who we're going to talk about a sec part part
what part, Yeah, a small part. Well, we can get
into that right now. So I mean, the best, the
best Clipper through ten games. There's no qui and who it.
Speaker 3: Is, right Clipper?
Speaker 1: Hey, it's a Clippers pod. We got it. We got
to drill down a little bit. I saw this, Okay,
some people do think that I saw this stat on Twitter.
We're not. This is Norm's time. We're talking about Norm
twenty five points per game on sixty six percent true
shooting through ten games of a season this century. Steph
Curry six times, Kevin Durant four times, Lebron James twice,
Nicole Yokich twice, Luca Joel Embiid, Paul George, Reggie Miller,
Norm Powell. He's doing shit like this is the best
start to a season he will ever have. That's not
I don't mean that as disrespect. That's how amazing and
efficient the season has been. He's he's been the best Clipper.
They're nowhere near six and four. I mean, depending how
far we can get from that in ten games without
what Norman is doing this season.
Speaker 3: No, Norm two and eight. Norm's wallet says, bad motherfucker.
That's what Norman Powell has been for this team so far.
It is probably my favorite thing in a while regarding
the Clippers, seeing a guy who has put in this
much work, who has been asking for more, getting it all,
and then just performing at the highest level and showing
up when he got the green light. Said it last time.
But you know, with Paul George, sometimes you talk about
being on his bully stuff and it wouldn't actually materialize.
Norm Palell is standing on business. He is backing up
all of the talk to the nth degree. It is
incredible to watch this well.
Speaker 2: And I think that's like the thing that's so impressive
is like I think to a degree, every guy like
on a roster would say, you know, like if I
had the opportunity, if I had the sort of minutes,
if I had exit, if I had why I could
be a number one or number two or whatever. And
then Norm though, like has been putting in like number
one or number two guy work in the offseason during
the regular seasons for so long, and then he gets
the opportunity and like he absolutely steps up and absolutely
knocks it out of the park. Like I think, it's
just it's incredible to see. And I don't know, it
was a It definitely put like an exclamation point on
it for me. Uh when when Philly came, like when
Philly and Paul George returned, like and I talked about
that being like the Norm Powell revenge game, and it
was like, man, no, he just he really is that dude,
And it's not Yeah, it has nothing to do with
what he says and everything to do with what he does.
Speaker 1: He is scoring in so many different ways. I think
Dime Dropper pointed this out. If he's coming off a
curl on the right side, he's gonna score. He's the bucket.
The bucket is going in for Norm Powell. He also
he had a block at the rim last night. Like
he's like he's scoring at an otherworldly efficient level. He
seems more juiced up on defense too, He's seen that
free safety role which I've mentioned, Like I it's this
start by Norm Powell is fantastic in like every facet
of his game.
Speaker 2: Is he a better defender than what we got out
of Paul George last season?
Speaker 1: Just looking at last season, the responsibility is a little different,
It's a lot different. So I don't know, but yeah,
fuck it, who cares?
Speaker 3: Guys, Like, there is no question right now even if Norm,
let's say he keeps up seventy five percent of this
is that realistic? Just seventy five percent of what he's
doing right now?
Speaker 1: He's shooting.
Speaker 3: So like, let's say he ends up shooting like forty
three percent from three on the season and he's at
like forty eight percent from the field or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like twenty if he doesn't whatever it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty two twenty one points per game. Still really efficient,
just not you know, the craziest efficiency ever in a century. Uh,
what you're looking at is a guy I who I
did say this before the season started, that I wasn't
sure if it would happen. I definitely didn't think this
was going to happen. The easiest path to making up
for losing Paul George is playing through Norm and him
filling the void. I did not think you would surpass
what Paul George was doing in many ways, and if
you look then just contract wise between the two, there's
no question you'd rather have Norm Powell than Paul George.
There's no question when you when you add in the
context of contracts.
Speaker 1: And podcasts, Norms is great.
Speaker 2: I love the Norm the league honestly, the best, the
best you can aspire to in the league.
Speaker 1: Paul George had a quote which made me so. It
was just such a Paul George thing, just really quick.
He said that the Sixers were in a sinking ship,
and I was like, you played on a team who's
named after a ship for how many seasons and you
never made that quote. You couldn't say that, you couldn't
use that motorphor when you played for a team that
was ships. God, it just frustrated me. I think that's
the epitome of how Paul George's brain works, and maybe
my brain um so Norm Powell clearly no question the
best climber through ten games, who's been the second best?
Speaker 2: Zoo?
Speaker 3: No, it's hard and still even with those shooting percentages,
I honestly don't know. I think you could still make
the case that Harden is the most important Clipper Norman
has been so far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, You're not gonna hear an argument for me
against that. For me at all, I agree with that.
Speaker 3: Well, if we're making that distinction, then I guess you
could say Zoo, But I still think I don't. It's
just Harden has so much that's required of him. Zoo's
not doing this if Harden isn't helping, you know, he
just affects everything on the offensive end. Like I honestly
think they would score like eighty points per game if
they did not have James Harden.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and well, what's what about that? What in that scenario?
What if Zoo's putting up forty five of those eighty points?
Speaker 3: I don't think he can do it. I have a
big Zoo guy, but I don't.
Speaker 2: Know if he could do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like you.
Speaker 2: He seems to be shooting from the outside. More I
think is is.
Speaker 1: We've seen the pregame hook shots from just inside the
three point line. He's drilling those every time.
Speaker 3: This is great all but where's the Zoo mid range?
And god, what a failure.
Speaker 1: I like the the argument for Harden makes sense because
even with the percentage woes, he's still getting assists.
Speaker 2: He's still not a slow he's the most essential like
he is still well.
Speaker 1: He's a different argument than best through the first ten
so far. But I think Zoo is a close third
because Zoo has been the best that Zoo's ever been
right now. He's close to the leading the league on boards.
He's incredibly efficient, he's playing good defense, he's closing. It's
a nice problem to have.
Speaker 3: And what's crazy is like, if Harden turns his shooting around,
which I expect him to to some degree here, absolutely will.
I don't think it's gonna be what some people are saying.
He's just going to hit the ground running all of
a sudden, his seasoned legs are going to kick in.
He's just going to be more efficient than this when
that happens. Okay, what are their offensively right now? Twenty first?
Speaker 1: Yes? Like, what are they exactly like?
Speaker 3: If Harden is just average offensively with his shooting percentages,
then what does that mean? Yeah, yeah, that could be
an incredible boon for this team. Like then if you
have some slippers on the defensive end, maybe you're okay,
maybe it levels out.
Speaker 1: And you look at us three point he's shooting twenty
nine point six percent from three. That's around ten percent
lower than what he usually shoots.
Speaker 3: It's not sustainable. How bad he's been now, I do
think there's a reason. It's not for no reason at all.
It's he's having to do so much. He's fatigued, there
is no kauwhai. But I still think even with all
those things, those factors, that he can still be better
than this moving forward, Like this probably is the bottom
end of his efficiency.
Speaker 2: He's got to be seeing more doubles coming this season
than he has probably in a little while, right, Like,
at least in the last two he's a way to
He's such a larger right, he's such a larger folk
point of the offense. Not you know, not that he
hasn't been the system like everywhere he's been for the
last couple of years. Yeah, Like for the last couple
of years, he's had definitely more top end talent. I
guess surrounding him to take some of that, to take
some of that off off off.
Speaker 1: Him, and we're gonna see it shift, right because Norm
has to be getting doubles Tomorrow we're gonna talk about
the Okay, see game.
Speaker 3: But he said after last night, he was like, oh,
I'm seeing different defenses now, but he's made some good
passes out of this. So that's a great point. Like
that can help out Harden. Just having Norm stay on
this heater for as long as possible.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would. I would put myself in the camp
of wanting Norm to stay on this heater for as
long as possible. Call me crazy, put me on it,
let's end it. Let's let's call it. Puff the brakes, dude.
Anything else good that y'all would like to highlight before
we go into the bad part of the stats for
the Clippers, which despite what someone commented on our Twitter
and then I had to mute them, which was there's
no bad spots in the rotation. There's they said, not
a single player can be a negative. I would love
that that's not the case.
Speaker 2: Here. I think a mere coffee like raising his floor
as a rotation level player is unreal. I'm like, well,
you know, the three point percentage and everything that's going
on this season, I don't expect to be sustainable throughout
come back down Earth before Yeah. Yeah, that's that's why
I say though, his floor as a rotation player I
think has raised significantly from what it has been in
previous seasons.
Speaker 1: Because we've seen a mirror have that thing where like
you know, he had the fifty he had that fifty
games in January. But then his role right now is
nice because he's not having to like come in and
play a bunch of minutes for somebody. Tyler's been able
to work his minutes where it's now troll like he's
not having to close I mean yeah.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, like he'll close out games.
It's it's really great. It's really great.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think Derek Jones Junior and his outside shooting carrying
over from the playoffs so far has been big. Like
I always wondered regarding the signing, it does a lot
of it comes down to can he just be league
averager above from the outside? Can he just do that?
And then it is absolutely a slam dunk, so to speak,
signing because the defense is amazing, but if he can
knock down shots on a team where they desperately need
guys to help spread the floor. Role players are knocked
down shots and take them. And he's been uber aggressive,
like he's doing everything that is asked of him on
his new team and just I don't know, it's been
a perfect match so far, having Derek Jones Junior with
them when he was.
Speaker 2: In early foul trouble that last game, like that, that
guy that the Clippers got into a tricky situation with
how they have to manage those minutes and rotations, he
got three early ones. That was, Yeah, that was very telling,
like how big he spent for this team.
Speaker 1: Kudos to Tie for figuring that out too, because that
I was like, oh no.
Speaker 3: What bad move is time made? So far like he's been.
Speaker 1: That's another great point.
Speaker 3: We we talked about Jeff Van Gundy a lot, but
with the sense of urgency timeouts that I really noticed
when they were up what twenty one or twenty three
on the Suns that second game. They ended up losing it,
but like as soon as he got to seventeen, he's like.
Speaker 1: Enough, oh we're not.
Speaker 3: It went from eighteen up at the half to up
to twenty one early third quarter, down to seventeen and
he said, Nope, that's not good enough. And then the
next game he called a timeout. Who is this against
this San Antonio where within the first twenty five seconds
of the third quarter, Yeah, they scored, Like, yeah, he
called a timeout. Like these timeouts have been absolutely perfectly
timed by him and just blunting some of the runs
that have gone on against the Clippers. His rotations, I
think have been good. Finding that lineup with KPJ Done Amir,
but Tooms Zoo bots has been great. I don't know,
he's he's done a spectacular job so far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, big shout out to Tyler.
Speaker 3: He's playing Zoo thirty five minutes a night, right.
Speaker 1: We wanted him to. He's doing it, playing got like
you know, he's playing done twenty eight one game if
Terrence doesn't have it. He's stuck with Terrence in the
second half of that Raptors game, and Terrence came up
huge in that second half.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just pushed all the right buttons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been great. Coming up, we're talking the complete
opposite of what we were just talking about, which is
the bottom ten stuff that the Clippers are in through
the first games. Believe it or not, a team that
is six and four does have some things to improve on.
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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in to Clips and Dip, your
favorite podcasts about Clippers basketball, and we talked about some
of the great things going on with the Clippers this season.
Top ten in a lot of categories. Obviously, the defense
has been a revelation, the style of play in general,
but now we got to get into the chum bucket,
the less than good things, the bad things. These are
some areas where the Clippers are bottom ten. No team
is perfect, and certainly the Clippers as currently constructed to
have their issues. But where do we want to start
with this? Should we start at the we want? Do
we want to start at the bottom of the bottom?
Which I think these two these two been kind of
recurring things for the Clippers team. Actually, I just want
to start with Pace at twenty nine because that's the
one that actually kind of surprises me. The most. The
pace in watching this team feels a lot different than
it has in other seasons, and I think that's like
just being able to get some of the easy buckets
we see, you know, more more transition play, a little
bit more athleticism, people able to get in front of Harden,
but the pace still hanging around that twenty ninth area,
so about as slow as you could possibly get, which
again not completely surprising given like you know, the history
of this team and certainly having an older team, but
I am surprised that it is that slow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're fair. I think that's fair the.
Speaker 3: Iteas I could see that because they've had more hit
aheads or at least stretches where obviously they're getting some
points in transition, and it feels like they're getting more
points in transition. But I think it's about the same.
Speaker 1: We've also, like aesthetically, I think there's a difference too,
because the Clippers aesthetically in transition were horrifying the last
couple of years. They couldn't run a three on one effectively,
and now we have half court oops, we have things
scoring when they're supposed to do. So Yeah, I wonder
what the difference in you know, fast break opportunities it
is from this year to last year, and what the
efficiency was from this year to last year, and like
maybe there's just less opportunities to be more efficient with
them this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet that is the case.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. But twenty ninth is like I was, like, damn,
I would have thought twenty fifth, which I understand isn't
that big a job.
Speaker 2: Honestly though, Yeah, Like I wouldn't have guessed top ten
or anything. I would have still guest bottom ten, probably
in terms of pace in the league, not twenty ninth.
Speaker 3: I honestly don't think when people try to, you know,
equate pace with like the higher you're up in pace,
the better you are as a team.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't want to ye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the Wizards are top three in pace in
the NBA. Right, Okay, see is there? Okay, Memphis is there,
but then Utah another really bad team, Denver is there,
Toronto and others ninth right, Yeah, Like it's it's a
mixed bag. Like it doesn't it's style of play. It
doesn't necessarily tell you on whether or not you're really
good bad team. But I see the point of you know,
is an emphasis coming into this season, so it's a
little bit surprising that they're even lower in pace right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that'll work itself out. Again, I don't know pace.
I don't know how many games at takes to kind
of solidify and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Justin Rousseau told me pace is one of the fastest
ones in the league. Shout out, he said, a lot
of times it's about without about a four games sample size,
the pace is fairly well determined, and like obviously there
can be some you know, some variations or credations that
shout out Justin Rousseau, who knows these types of things. So, yeah,
the Clippers are gonna does it colo team?
Speaker 1: Does it count if you don't have your full roster
because Pj's at home, you know, kawhi As.
Speaker 2: We'll get four games.
Speaker 1: A Yeah, the one that I think the Clippers are
Also there's three that I want to talk about that
I think are pretty important. Twenty ninth in field goal
attempts twenty seven been from three point attempts twenty eighth
and turnovers. The turnovers have Tyler visibly upset in some
postgame that ship's the turnover one.
Speaker 2: Is the realist though this has just always been on
like every like every iteration.
Speaker 4: The realist turnovers, like every iteration of this team since
Wilander has been on here, And obviously the roster is
still much different, but like, there's always been a turnover
issue as.
Speaker 2: They've struggled to find the right guard, and even with Harden,
who I think has been more turnover prone than he
will be once he gets those sea legs or whatever
everybody keeps talking about. I don't think it will be
this bad, but it's not gonna be great. Oh, a
lot of them stob bottom ten in turnovers I think
per game.
Speaker 3: It's it's the fourth quarter. I mean they're averaging in
the fourth quarter. I think over five turnovers per game
and just that quarter alone, Yeah, five point three, that's
thirtieth in the league. It's execution down the stretch. I
think some of it is just simply when the other
team plays their hardest, it's way harder to execute. And
that's the Clippers being exposed a little bit by not
having enough offensive talent with ball handling. But they could
still be better than this. There are still some absolutely
head scratching turnovers that they could do away with and
some of them are definitely coming from James Harden.
Speaker 1: Somever come from James Harden, and then some are coming
from when it's late in the game and someone else
has to initiate the offense, and then Derek Jones Junior,
or someone's bringing the ball up and tries to throw
an entry pass into Zoo that gets tipped and it
becomes you know, the other team's ball like it's or.
Speaker 3: Woffy throws it into the back court looking for Zoo
coming into the front court shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did I say when we did that? That
we're throwing inbounds passes out of bounds, which is incredibly
difficult to do. That's what I think. You're right. I
think we're gonna be hanging out at the bottom ten.
And we do the twenty game stat look at, I
would be surprised if we're above twenty third.
Speaker 3: I actually think that number is even more damning. Because
they play at a slow pace, there are less opportunities
for turnovers. It's kind of like assist a turnover ratio.
Teams that are high to assists usually have a little
bit higher of a turnover turnovers per game, maybe not rate,
but that is a little bit scary when you're that
low in pace and you also are that high in turnovers.
Speaker 1: So for turnover percentage, which is an estimate of turnovers
committed per one hundred plays twenty ninth, so it's the
turnovers seem pretty real. The field goal attempts and three
point percentage and three point attempts are we hanging out
in the bottom three this entire season?
Speaker 3: Well, field goal attempts ties right into pace and turnovers,
So I'm not surprised by that. Three point attempts. Well,
like a lot of that is because there are eleventh
in points on the paint, Like they're not taking it betty,
because yeah, they're destroying. They were higher, but I think
it's started to balance out a little bit more because
they've been hot from three the last four games now.
Speaker 1: But right you shoot forty four percent of the team.
Speaker 2: It's like it should take some just it just depends
on the efficiency, right, I mean, because like this team
when it was like a when it was its best offensively,
was still you know, in the in the middle to
bottom range of you know, field goal attempts and three
point attempts, and it's just all the efficiency has been
the name of the game. So I think it just
depends on how much that ends up slipping as to
how concerning that really is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't think they're gonna, like if they
start shooting poorly from three there, We're not going to
all of a sudden be like, oh, let's start taking
more three Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, there's there's times where the bull sticks,
and there's certainly guys Terrence who like you would love
to see like pull the trigger a little bit soon.
Speaker 1: That was the worst off cover, But like, I don't.
Speaker 2: See them being able to like drastically improve, like improve
in this area given as Adam said too, like the
pace and yeah, I don't know how they're going to
be able to get more shots up, especially with the
rebounding being already what it is right now.
Speaker 3: Right I did ask coach Lou, I think after the
first five games or something like that, with how do
you balance wanting to take more three pointers but you're
also killing it with points in the paint, And he
basically said, well, I'm okay with taking less right now
because we've been so good with points in the paint,
But if that starts to go the other way, I
think what was implying is then you got to start
taking some more threes from the outside. You do have
to play the analytics, but I hope there's a decent
balance there. I think how many attempts are they at
per game three point wise? Right now?
Speaker 1: Let me check they weren't in the bottom ten.
Speaker 3: I think it's still up from last season slightly.
Speaker 1: I believe I would have had it in there if
they were bottom ten and three point attens per game
they are. Nope, I'm wrong. They're twenty seven three point
attempts per game.
Speaker 3: And how many is that at.
Speaker 1: Thirty two thirty two?
Speaker 3: That might be then one below where they were at
last season.
Speaker 1: Let me check that would be.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, three thirty three.
Speaker 1: But thirty three was also twenty first last season, and
they're at thirty two now and they're twenty whatever, So
not a crazy margin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're talking about one difference, but I don't think
there were was good with points in the paint also
last season, so it would make sense that they're taking
slightly less threes. I just hope that coach to Louise
to always stress that it's about taking the right type
of threes. But I think coming into this season, they're like, well,
we can't really do that anymore. That was, you know,
the luxury of having a great offense where you could
pick and choose how to attack and dismantle teams. Now
it's like you do have to play the analytics at
some degree. You do have to stretch the floor out
there and help out James Harden so they could run
high pick roll. You got to put up some threes.
But if they're still hanging in there with close to
being a top ten points in the paint team, I
don't see it as that big of a deal. Currently,
We'll see where it goes.
Speaker 1: They're twenty third in points per game, twenty first and
offensive rating. I mean, I like.
Speaker 3: I mean that's the one that matters, like all the
other stuff. Yeah, because the other stu's dependent on like pace.
It's like, okay, yeah, they're taking less shots, so they're
playing a smaller pace, But how efficient are they every possession?
Offensive rating? Honestly, that's that's a lot of norms. Still,
they could easily be bottom five off rating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you what do we see? Let's call
it the twenty game mark, not you know, it's only
ten more games, are I still think they're going to
be creeping around seventeen to twenty one or whatever because Kawhi,
I mean, Kawhi is not going to be back in
the next ten games. I don't think so. I think
they're creeping around that twenty number.
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, i'd sign up for it. Like if you
that's good, if you can stay around a top five defense,
but your offense is around twentieth right now, you're kind
of hanging in there, and then they could just execute
better at the end of games, Like what's there? Okay,
they're offensive rating in fourth quarters right now, I'm interested
in seeing what that is, Like how much of a
dip are we talking just at the end of games
where they've had these bad turnovers and miss free throws
and stuff. They are twenty sixth So yeah, they're commers
and fourth quarters. That's that's problematic because I think in
first quarters, let's see where they're at first quarters, they're
fourteenth offensively.
Speaker 1: Damn and they're they're half court offensive rating. This is
from Shane Young. Shout out Shane Young, ninety one in
the half court.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awful.
Speaker 1: That is that is bad in the eighties. That's like
which one of these is the biggest surprise. They're twenty
first in blocks their twentieth and free throw percentage, which
is another thing that makes all of these games stressful.
Last night against the Raptors, my heart was in my
damn throw. That was brutal with those free throws.
Speaker 3: The free throws is troubling and they.
Speaker 1: Should be bet at too, I think right they.
Speaker 3: Started off the season though, so bad there they were
bottom three, like after the first five games, and Zubots
was shooting like fifty percent, and then he had the
game where he went five for five and kind of
maked up made up for some of those misfree throws
against Portland blocks. I don't really care about that stuff.
I don't think that's indicative of how good you are
as a defense. Kind of like sacks versus QB hurries, Like,
if you're hurting the quarterback a lot, that's what you want.
It doesn't always end up in a sack, but if
you're deterring guys from getting to the rim, and Zubots's case,
like that's you know, he doesn't average four blocks a game,
but he's still went. He was the best rent protector
in the league last season because the guys don't even
test him and he's redirecting stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good call. Will, what is the biggest
surprise to you in the bottom ten stats? Before we
pick the worst Clipper through ten games. Because we picked
the best, we have to pick the worst. That's how
these things work.
Speaker 2: That. Yeah, the free throw percentage, I would say is
is pretty troubling just given how much time at least
two to three really of our starting five are going
to spend at the line. It's yeah, especially for an
older team, a team that struggles so much in pace
and getting shots up, they really need to be making
the most of the three opportunities that they have if
they want to get you know, if they want to
get out of the bottom ten offensively. And I really
think like if this team could just get into say
the bottom half offensively, like let's say let's say sixteen
or seventeen, maybe eighteen, all right, I won't be greedy
and can maintain a high level defensively. Like I think
you're kind of cooking on something that's at the very
least going to be very very annoying for opposing teams
as we get closer into the as we get closer
into the postseason, So that is one. I would expect
that one to turn around quite a bit because it
hasn't been very good and it seems pretty eat like
it's like something that should even have. It seems addressable.
Speaker 1: As my old coach used to say, they're free they're
free throws.
Speaker 3: They are. If you just go last five games as
opposed to the first five games, there's sixteenth free throw
percentage wise, which still is not that big a talking.
Speaker 2: Let's just get to the bottom half.
Speaker 3: What what worries me? Also, it's attempts. It's that low
shooting wise, plus they're only eighteenth in attempts per game.
Combining those two things being almost bottom ten pretty much,
that's that's a little bit troublesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Adam. Any one that jumps out at
you from the bottom ten in particular.
Speaker 3: Uh man, I think we covered everything. It's don't I
don't dwell on the negativity, Like why would I want
to bring up another I would never points off of
turnovers and fourth quarters in particular, the Clippers are like
a point worse than the next worst team. They're thirtieth
in that area. Teams were scoring. I think going into
last game seven point one points off of turnovers in
the fourth quarter against the Clippers. They're giving up seven
point one and I think the next closest was like six,
Like they're thirtieth by a mile, by a full point basically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fourth quarter stats. I guess what jumps out
at me is how bad probably every single offensive fourth
quarters for the most part. Adam said he didn't want
to dwell on negativity. So we're into a quick segue.
Who's been the worst Clipper through ten games? There has
to be a worse I know it's PJ. Tucker. He
hasn't even been there.
Speaker 3: But he's still a Clipper and he's been the worst.
Speaker 1: No, it's uh in terms of people who get actual
playing time. Hey, that's fair. And unfortunately everyone's talking about
Terrence Man. How frustrating all of that is. But he
gave us great defense last night. I guess, will, who
would you pick?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Will? I mean Kai? Is the rotation very true?
What was already like? Was it even ten guys?
Speaker 1: Right? It was nine and a half and then Kai?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I honestly don't think like I don't think he's
costing them a game, Like I don't think he's been
that bad.
Speaker 1: No one's cost. So that's the other part that I
Ki or Terrence, anybody I would argue.
Speaker 3: I guess both, but Kai in particular, like the minutes
he was getting it most for ten minutes, and I
don't think he was. He wasn't like he didn't get
shellacked in some plus minus in one game or anything
like that was like god, Ki just screwed him. Like, honestly,
I don't think it's been that bad. And coach was
asked about him last night because he had been going
to small ball more and he says because the opponents
they've been playing recently have had more small ball lineups.
But obviously, I think they went plus seven the last
five minutes of that third quarter last night when they
went small ball at the Tomb and it worked and
Ky didn't get back in. He played like two minutes
in the first half and that was it. So I
mean it sounds like Moses Brown could be back sooner
than later too.
Speaker 1: Whoa who Moses Brown? Sorry, no, I'm no, I'm the
season is over.
Speaker 3: I than them, Obama.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, I missed a press release today.
I've had a very relaxing Sunday. I missed something big,
I think, and because it's because of the expectation say
we all had and because we love this player, is
that the first ten games of Terrence man season has
not been what people have wanted. And I don't and
I'm not saying like he's again. No one who's been
bad this year for the Rivers has cost them the game.
We haven't like lot like like Adam said, It's not
been like, oh, Kai screwed it, or like, oh, Terrence
screwed it, like partly because of how good Tylu has
been with the rotations, but Terrence. I hope when we
do the twenty game check in that Terrence is part
of the the Oh he's turned it around.
Speaker 3: I hope last night was the start. Well, it wasn't
him hitting shots. The defense was e leite down the
stretch to help win in the game. And I was
just happy Coach Lew went back to him because he
had those back to back transition points in the third
quarter where he actually looked like himself, and before that
I was kind of like, man.
Speaker 2: There's a rough That was a rough Terrence game leading
up to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Yeah, he was not looking for a shot
at all. I murdy got like an offensive rebound and
like was near the rim and had like Ben Simmons
type of moment where it was.
Speaker 2: Like passed it out, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Why are you kicking out? You're right there. Confidence has
gotta be a little but maybe higher after last night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that has been tough. And I mean yeah, like
you said, he hasn't actively been losing US games. It's
just been I even feel like I was fairly tempered
in my expectations for for Terrence's you know, like growth
and what potentially he could.
Speaker 1: I know I was wrong, and yeah.
Speaker 2: It's it's just it's just tough to watch at times.
And yeah, although he does seem to be turning it
around someone or at least last game, I gotta be
honest with you, man, a lot of the KPJ minutes
to me have been hard on the eyes to watch.
It's offensively, it is not that aesthetic or fun of
basketball to me to watch when when he's out there
and other like other opposed like opposed it. When I
catch the broadcast from the team, almost every time I
watch it, there's a moment where they're like, oh, wow,
he's really just kind of out there looking for his
own shot. Huh, And it's like, yeah, that's that's about
the long and short of it. And sometimes it works
and other times it is just tough to watch it. Again,
not losing us games, I'm not saying that, but uh,
it's not fun to watch, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Another game where last night you hope it's the start
of uh, the the upswing. Someone we were talking in
the press room that Derek Jones does a lot of
the stuff that Terrence did last year, which was take
the open threes, crash the boards and stuff like that,
so that I think is playing into Terrence's not elite
start to the season on.
Speaker 2: Top of Derek's shoulders r against.
Speaker 3: It that that's not a bad skill set to be
duplicatus or whatever. If I should say, uh, duplicate this
duplic I think that's something where you can't have enough
of those guys. It's just Terrence is not doing enough
of it right now. And honestly, I do think if
you really think about it, based upon expectations and contract
and minutes given, Terrence has been the worst Clipper so
far and with the most room to grow, you could
say after the first ten games. It has been like
if like, if you got benched at this point, I
would be like whatever, like put a mere coffee and
put Chris Done in. It is earned, Like, at what
point do you go? Well? One side of the argument is, hey,
he does this every years, Guys, doesn't he starts slow
over a year, don't you guys realize this. It's like, okay, great,
so every year. So that's twenty January. So over three years,
that's like sixty games of him not playing like himself
over just twenty games starting off each year. That's not great.
That's really frustrating.
Speaker 1: Plenty of time to turn around for Terrence. It's gonna
be interesting when Kawhi comes back. What's starting line up
looks like? But I think right now to your point, Adam,
it's probably Kawhi coming in for Terrence's spot and Terrence go.
Speaker 3: That's a ton deal.
Speaker 1: It makes Done seem crazy. Don't let us know your
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Speaker 3: Welcome back in It's Clips and Dip Season three, episode
twenty seven. I'm at a Maslin. We've got Chuck Macklin,
will Updyke who I can now hear? We can all
hear each other. Everything is fine.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Clippers taken on the Okac Thunder again for like the
second time in a week, this time in okay See
to start off a a three game road trip where
they got a two gamer in Houston. Come up Wednesday
and Friday, but okay see tomorrow on Monday. And it
looks like the Thunder will be without Chet Holmgren as
he left the game against the Golden State Warriors today
on Sunday with a hip injury, and by the way
he was helped off the floor, you just wouldn't expect
him to play again on a.
Speaker 1: Back to back.
Speaker 3: Hopefully he's okay in the long run here, because obviously
they're also short on bigs already without Hartenstein, so this
is a really big loss. And hey, do the Clippers
need to feel bad for anyone. No, you have to
take advantage of whoever is playing, whoever is in front
of you, whoever is able to go. So they got
to go all out now and have a better opportunity
to win this game. I guess if Chet Holmgren is
not going to be available, so take advantage.
Speaker 1: Do what you can feed Zoo. They didn't do it
last time when Chet was on him.
Speaker 3: They tried in that start of the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. The Clippers lost one of five ninety
two last time. They lost ten turnovers by ten. There's
just no flow offensively, also.
Speaker 3: Led by thirteen this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, this was a game where you see kind
of what maybe the best team in the Western Conference
right now looks like. But again, the lack of bigs
could be an issue. The Thunder are already not very
good at rebounding. Opponents grab more rebounds per game versus
Thunder than anyone else. Chet's not going to be there.
I don't know what could. The biggest thing that could
go wrong for me is that the Thunder are the
best defensive team in the league right now, and they're
very fast, which feels like two things that don't equal
and not none of these games are going to be easy.
But the Clippers version of easy does not exist against
the Thunder team.
Speaker 3: Even with chutout, fear does not exist inside the Star.
They are still the best defensive team, and they've actually
widened their margin versus the second best defensive team. There
be seven point three on their defensive rating. The second
best team is one to six point five? Are you
kidding me? Quad win six point five? The station I
used to listen to for alternative rock in the nineties
is the second best defensive rating, and that's Golden State,
who they're currently playing right now.
Speaker 1: They're gonna lose to you, I believe God.
Speaker 3: That makes tomorrow even tough for I was really hoping
they'd win that game. But they're not gonna have Chet tomorrow.
I mean, yeah, the speed that they play with them
just focusing in more or maybe more outside shooting. I
mean Chet does that too, but they still might put
up even more threes without him. I don't know what
their big adjustment's gonna because it's just a funky situation
without him and Hartenstein. Now that's really tough.
Speaker 1: It's just a funky situation. Will what do you. How
do you feel about this game? Not great?
Speaker 2: I think that's the I think that this you.
Speaker 1: Of all people, are you don't have shed?
Speaker 3: It's are you?
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be any Clippers win streak, but
it's gonna put up a good effort. I'm gonna be
proud of my guys.
Speaker 1: What did Norm have against Okac? Last time? He had
twenty four? He went nine of fourteen shot from three.
Speaker 2: He's gonna double it.
Speaker 1: He might have to. I mean, we don't know what
the team's gonna look like. It's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 2: It's not a good there is the rest advantage. It's
not a good This isn't a good matchup.
Speaker 3: They were up by thirteen. They should have won that
first game, Dammit.
Speaker 1: They should have. Isaiah Joe also went off. He was
four for eight from three the last time we played.
I don't know who is getting right to it, Adam
will Who is your Kawhi? Leonard James harden Avitza Zubats,
Norman Powell? Maybe we could. You can include Norman Powell
in a game against the Thunder You cannot? All right?
Speaker 2: You can include Norman every game? This is not fair?
Speaker 1: All right? Who is your pick for the Kawhi Leonard
Avitz Box, James Harden, Norman Powell Player of the game,
Clippers Verse Thunder, which is gonna be a five pm
Pacific time.
Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone was picked this Jr. Is
that your pick?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my pick, so the bitch.
Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone Okay, I don't know if
anyone's picked this guy so far this season. But he
just hit two three pointers and back to back possessions
last game. KPJ is my pick.
Speaker 1: Hey bench scoring that we were talking. If he just
takes more threes, I'm happy with it. Stop taking these
long twos, KP.
Speaker 2: I think if the shots, I think if the shots
selection could change a lot about already like how his
game is, I think would be fine. I think just
even watching him the ball stop with him and him
taking threes instead of those prodding twos that he takes
forever to get into.
Speaker 1: I think on the boards.
Speaker 3: He's been great on the boards.
Speaker 2: Guy.
Speaker 3: It's like, really, he's been putting in a good effort.
There there were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, defensively, overall, he's been putting in a good effort.
Speaker 1: Not a liability, which is huge for the clips.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how about that? Like Zubos praised his defense last
night and also said something really interesting. Even zubats I
guess Norman Palla said this as well postgame, but they
both said, you don't have to dance so much. You
can make a guy, you can shake a guy with
one move and go. You don't have to keep dancing.
And you kind of saw that, like he was being
more decisive and if that changes, if he can figure
that out. I do think it's been kind of impressive
where he started the first three games as to how
he's looked maybe the last three or four games, there
has been definitely a change. So if he keeps going
in this direction, it's gonna look like Coach lou and
the Clippers were right to uh to invest.
Speaker 1: So you're going KPJ. Will, You're going, Derek Jones Junior, Damn.
Speaker 3: You got nothing I got.
Speaker 2: I'm appreciate Ternce turned around. Part two.
Speaker 1: I'm not not there yet.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I think it's uh, it's a mere coffee. I think
it's gotta be a mere two weeks.
Speaker 3: I think he's on the exempt list.
Speaker 1: No. A. Mires never on the exemp list unless he
shoots fifty for the month from November eleventh to December eleventh.
Speaker 2: Soon you're gonna either be able to pick you can
pick Christy, you can pick Brown, or you can pick Miller.
All right, those are your.
Speaker 1: Three joint That is it?
Speaker 2: Wet rotate.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I'm switching mine because we haven't even mentioned him.
We mentioned him briefly in the beginning. Chris Donne. We
did not good call.
Speaker 2: Actually done and off this episode, so sorry listeners.
Speaker 3: That might have been his worst game and it was
still pretty good. Yeah, I mean he had to steal
on r J Barrett for the donk, which.
Speaker 2: Everyone shooting has been so needed, especially like with KPJ
handling the ball so much, like, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's stealing RJ Barrett. I felt like everyonet into it
dome was like good luck RJ. Like as soon as
he started, as soon as he was, like get out
of the way. It was too much dancing, Like, dude,
you're going against Chris. He's gonna take the ball from here.
So I'm going Chris Dunn, and I love that. I
think I'm right.
Speaker 2: Started all the Dunheads. We did not talk enough about don.
Speaker 1: Yes, but we're not edge right here. Yeah, knock on
wood he plays for You know that about wraps it
up for us. The Clippers do have two games versus
the Rockets after they play the Thunder tomorrow, both of
them in Houston. Probably gonna do a Thursday for y'all
in some post game hangs. It was a fun time
on AM five seventy last night, Adam, thank you for
having me on. Despite what Will's contract says.
Speaker 3: Well, you ripped it up. So what was I supposed
to do?
Speaker 1: They told me it was ironclad, but I said, this
is just paper.
Speaker 2: Not the way it works.
Speaker 1: I hate it.
Speaker 2: I talk to my notary.
Speaker 1: Will. Where can these people now that the Clippers have
solidified themselves as contenders with a six and four record
over ten games and one of the better defenses in
the entire league? Where can people demand that their significant others, employers,
postman post people listen to this, So.
Speaker 2: Tell your father it's time to take the Clippers seriously.
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Speaker 1: We appreciate you, We really do. And before we let
you out, some of us have tomorrow off, which I'm
going to enjoy. Adam. One positive thing for these Clippers
fans after this wonderful weekend.
Speaker 3: You know, if you guys want to come for me.
I said they'd be five and five after ten games,
or at least I'd sign up for that, and they're
six and four. So big fraud right here. Now there's
six and four. They're six and four, and they could
easily be seven and three. Now they could easily be
four and six, but they are six and four. I mean,
I don't want to quote Bill Parcells, but in this case,
maybe you are were record or what your record says
you are, like, maybe maybe things have kind of even
out with games they easily maybe should have lost and
then some games they should have won, and now they're
at six and four and it feels about right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels about right. Thank you for hanging out
with us. We will be back for y'all in some form,
probably post game, after the Thunder game. Yeah, as always,
thank you for hanging out, and let's go clips