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Speaker 1: Open up to an hot as.
Speaker 3: Youre there, something in the woods.
Speaker 4: Anato ty you what you're about to see?
Speaker 3: Or something in the woods.
Speaker 1: Knock in the park.
Speaker 3: Contanger by the Omen said, don't go outside, there's something
Speaker 3: near the woods tonight. I hear him knocking, shaking bushits foot,
Speaker 3: Prince Howlin on my long open up to an odyssey something.
Speaker 4: In the wood.
Speaker 1: If folks to walk on my guests to the show,
Speaker 1: it is Mark from California. Welcome to the show man.
Speaker 4: Hey Brian, how you doing, Bud?
Speaker 1: I am good, I'm glad to have you. Let's get
Speaker 1: right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What
Speaker 1: got you interested in the subject to begin with?
Speaker 4: I saw the Patterson and Gambling film back in the
Speaker 4: sixty eight sixty nine somewhere around there in a little
Speaker 4: hometown theater in North Carolina. Went to school one day.
Speaker 4: I was in the fourth grade. You remember the legend
Speaker 4: of Boggy Creek. Okay, we went and saw that in
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy two. And in the nineteen seventy four I
Speaker 4: was in the fourth grade and I was telling one
Speaker 4: of the guys that I went to school with that
Speaker 4: we went and saw that movie. He said, we got
Speaker 4: one of them things out there at the city lake.
Speaker 4: They had chased my mama hanging out clothes one time.
Speaker 4: And I was like what he said, Yeah, we call
Speaker 4: it the shoe, I said, the shoe. Back then, Brian,
Speaker 4: it was a different time. My dad mom used to
Speaker 4: let me walk up there and go fishing. It was
Speaker 4: about a quarter of a mine, but I'd take my
Speaker 4: tackle box and bucket the minos and walk up down
Speaker 4: it's been some bass and bring them home. Every time
Speaker 4: I went up there, there was something in the woods.
Speaker 4: It was a heavy wooded area, very isolated. There was
Speaker 4: a few houses running, but all the neighbors knew of
Speaker 4: this thing that they called to shoot. Time goes on.
Speaker 4: Didn't think a whole lot about And then people was
Speaker 4: like Mark Leaves in Bigfoot. They thought I was a
Speaker 4: conspiracy theres So my dad, I guess it was in
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy nine. He got me a Winchester thirty thirty
Speaker 4: to go deer hunt. So we went to a place
Speaker 4: up there where I started seeing a lot of tracks
Speaker 4: Mount Creek up in theillerby North Carolina. As a matter
Speaker 4: of fact, he used to make fun. They said, well
Speaker 4: that ain't up but Andre the giant up there walking
Speaker 4: around barefooted leaving the Bigfoot tracks. Andrea had a ranch
Speaker 4: up there on Highway seventy three, right above where I hunted.
Speaker 4: It was called the AFJ Ranch. Andre, Frenchie and Jackie,
Speaker 4: and I met them all. He was really a humble fellow.
Speaker 4: He wasn't arrogant or anything. They were just some laid
Speaker 4: back people. They liked the privacy, but they would talk
Speaker 4: to you if they saw you. I was up there
Speaker 4: deer hunting that Christmas with my dad. And my dad
Speaker 4: parked at the gate where we hunted, and he walked
Speaker 4: down to a tree stand because he was going to
Speaker 4: hunt this clear cut and he said, Mark, why don't
Speaker 4: you going back in on the creek? Sit down? So
Speaker 4: I walked back there on my way back there, I
Speaker 4: started hearing something to my right and this is some
Speaker 4: thick woods to that area is thick. Whatever it was,
Speaker 4: I knew it was heavy because it was stepping on
Speaker 4: rotten pine trees and it was crunching them. I was like,
Speaker 4: dagg home, maybe there is a big foot up here.
Speaker 4: So I went down there and my dad started tooting
Speaker 4: the horn right before dark said come on out, boy,
Speaker 4: let's go. So when I was going out of there,
Speaker 4: that thing was following me back out. I don't know
Speaker 4: if it was stalking me or just watching me. I
Speaker 4: don't know what it was doing, but it made the
Speaker 4: hair stand up, I guess to see. That's seventy nine
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty four. I graduated in nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember that book In Search
Speaker 4: of Bigfoot. A friend gave that to me, and he
Speaker 4: believed in him because he said he had saw at
Speaker 4: the Pdee River, and that's right there off Mountain Creek
Speaker 4: where we hunted. It fed into the p d River.
Speaker 4: Engineer that worked on the rail of my dad. His
Speaker 4: dad had a farm up there. That's the farmer was
Speaker 4: hunting on that day back in seventy nine, and they
Speaker 4: told me I can go there and hunt anytime, just
Speaker 4: a lot the gate back when I left, another guy
Speaker 4: was working with lived up there, right off what they
Speaker 4: call Holly Grove Church Road. And if you go to
Speaker 4: the end of holly Grove Church Roun, turn the left
Speaker 4: on the Grassy Island, that'll take you down the Mountain
Speaker 4: Creek Bridge. And there was a place up there called
Speaker 4: the High Watermark that was owned by the Pile Company,
Speaker 4: and so the dam was on the Pdee River. Terry
Speaker 4: the guy was working with, he said Mark. He said,
Speaker 4: Man in nineteen eighty one, we was up there catfishing
Speaker 4: at three o'clock in the morning on the Richmond County
Speaker 4: side of the dam. And he said, I drove my
Speaker 4: camaro up there, and he said, I always kept a
Speaker 4: shotgun with me, just cause the water boxins. So that's
Speaker 4: all they was worried about. They weren't worried about anything
Speaker 4: else other than water boxers. He said, about three point
Speaker 4: thirty he looked over on this little peninsula they caught
Speaker 4: it the beachs. People go out there and swim and
Speaker 4: camp out. He said. It was a full moon night
Speaker 4: in November and he said, Marc, I had Billy with men.
Speaker 4: He said, I looked over there and I saw these
Speaker 4: things down in there, and he said it looked gray
Speaker 4: to me. He said, dude, it was so big. He said,
Speaker 4: I knew what it was. He said, Billy, He said, man,
Speaker 4: look over there on that peninsula and tell me what
Speaker 4: And he said, Man, I'm looking right at it. He said,
Speaker 4: what is? He said, Man, just stay right here. So
Speaker 4: back then they were burning tires. That what they legal
Speaker 4: back then, So they had a tire fire going. Terry
Speaker 4: told me we got a double well or twelve games
Speaker 4: with double lock. Buggy only had two shells. He said,
Speaker 4: Marcau come in here. And he threw the gun up
Speaker 4: at the bigfoot and said it turned and looked at
Speaker 4: him and turned around and said it was like it
Speaker 4: was almost careful where it was stepping. And it walked
Speaker 4: back and turned back one more time and just disappeared
Speaker 4: into the woods. He said. Billy said, man, what in
Speaker 4: the world was that? He said that was a bigfoot man.
Speaker 4: But he said he was scared to shoot it because,
Speaker 4: he said, Mark, it was so massive. He said, I
Speaker 4: feel like I had a bb gun. He said, I
Speaker 4: didn't even feel safe for the twelve games. He said.
Speaker 4: We stayed there till sun up because we didn't want
Speaker 4: to leave. He said, I felt like I had a shot,
Speaker 4: and there was more than one day would have just
Speaker 4: killed us. That was his exact words. So he said,
Speaker 4: right before daybreak, he heard that thing catch a rabbit
Speaker 4: and it just squeezed the rabbit. You could hear the
Speaker 4: bones like you just ate a rabbit. I'll never forget him.
Speaker 4: Tell me that. A boy we were working with, said
Speaker 4: Mark much about Mountain Creek. I told him to farm
Speaker 4: a hunting on. He said, if you go down grass
Speaker 4: the island and go across Colmon Creek Bridge, he said,
Speaker 4: there's a place up there on the left he could hunt.
Speaker 4: He said, I kill all my deer in their mad
Speaker 4: He said, that's a good place to hunt. He said,
Speaker 4: hardly anybody ever goes back there.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: It was shotgun only you could carry rifles in there.
Speaker 4: So I went in there one day by myself, and
Speaker 4: I was looking down and I saw a track in there.
Speaker 4: I guess it was like twenty something inches and it
Speaker 4: was sunk down about two three inches in the mud.
Speaker 4: I sink down probably to about a half inch, so
Speaker 4: I knew whatever it was real heavy Michael Green with
Speaker 4: the Bigfoot Research Organization. I had called them, I made
Speaker 4: a report. I think I sent you that report, so
Speaker 4: they came up there. There was one of the guys
Speaker 4: in the group when we was walking back there, and
Speaker 4: I just felt something was off. It's like I just
Speaker 4: didn't trust him. It's like they just wanted to get
Speaker 4: my information to get me out of there. That was
Speaker 4: the feeling. Have you ever heard of Indian Mound, North Carolina.
Speaker 4: There's a place in the west Mount Gillion, but there's
Speaker 4: a little place up the I think they called that
Speaker 4: little river, but it feeds into the PD River, but
Speaker 4: it's Indian Mounds. So I've always heard that. Usually if
Speaker 4: there's an Indian Mound close by, there's a lot of sosquads.
Speaker 4: And we was up there riding around one day in
Speaker 4: a little place called Peak and they had these old
Speaker 4: steel metal bridges. I think they've got rid of most
Speaker 4: of them now. He said, it's right down to check
Speaker 4: Old Harvey out. And I said Harvey. They said, yeah,
Speaker 4: he's old hill Billy lives up here. He stays out
Speaker 4: here in a hen for on the creek. He said,
Speaker 4: they don't even have any electricity. I said, what, They
Speaker 4: just graduated school right re little Ford Pinto. So we
Speaker 4: went back there, and sure enough Parby was out there.
Speaker 4: He was almost literally like a faraoh. Heling, if you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. He was back was brother and
Speaker 4: there was a big old tobacco field out there behind
Speaker 4: where he was staying. But he was right on the creek.
Speaker 4: I said, man, what do you do when you have
Speaker 4: to use the bathroom and take a bath? He said,
Speaker 4: I go to the creek. They said, man, I was
Speaker 4: down there last night and that big old hairy thing
Speaker 4: come back. I said what he said, yeah, Man, everybody
Speaker 4: thinks I'm crazy.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: He said, you see that Thebaca barn out there, And
Speaker 4: there was the back of barn, and I saw the
Speaker 4: roof and the loft up above it. It was about
Speaker 4: twelve feet. He said, Man, that thing was out there
Speaker 4: the other day when I was walking in here. He
Speaker 4: said that the thing was above that roof, so it
Speaker 4: was taller than twelve feet. They said, man, I think
Speaker 4: ran me out the creek. Brick said, you keep bad
Speaker 4: attensing him. Man, he was about half crazy down here
Speaker 4: and living with no electricity. Ain't got no sense. I
Speaker 4: was like, I don't know man. Some got him rapped up.
Speaker 4: As time progresses, let's get up to two thousand and four.
Speaker 4: I getting the heavy equipment action that left me disabled.
Speaker 4: I was getting workers come and they cut it off.
Speaker 4: I had custody of my son. I was raising my son.
Speaker 4: He was in high school. They cut my chick off
Speaker 4: and I didn't get any assistance or anything. I didn't
Speaker 4: get tyles worn out there. I just took care of
Speaker 4: my son and I worked all the time. So I
Speaker 4: told him, I said, but I don't have to go
Speaker 4: kill us a deer. I said, if I killed one,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna need you to come up there and drag
Speaker 4: it out for me. He said, okay, BUY said, I
Speaker 4: go up there. I go to that place I was
Speaker 4: telling you about on the high Watermark. I sent you
Speaker 4: pictures of this place. That day I went in there.
Speaker 4: I had been talking with a girl down in Florida.
Speaker 4: I had sent her to some of the pictures I
Speaker 4: sent you because she had saw a bigfoot down in Florida,
Speaker 4: a place called I think it was Brownville. It was
Speaker 4: on the west coast side, on the Guff of Mexico
Speaker 4: side of Florida. They lived over on the Crystal River.
Speaker 4: She said, Mark, me and my husband sawing them things
Speaker 4: in a swamp that we go in. He was standing
Speaker 4: about four feet above the cattails. And we know that
Speaker 4: there's twelve foot gators in there. No man would have
Speaker 4: been in there, and a sued as hot as it
Speaker 4: was Florida like North Carolina's got the humidity. But she
Speaker 4: said they had these things called no siems, some kind
Speaker 4: of little bug you can't see, to just tear you up.
Speaker 4: She said, please send me the pictures because we've seen one.
Speaker 4: I want to see them. And she said, the next
Speaker 4: time you got deer hunting, take me some pictures of
Speaker 4: the area that you are hunting because I want to
Speaker 4: see them too. I said, okay, I took those pictures.
Speaker 4: I told you I'm not tech savvy. I don't own
Speaker 4: a TV or a computer. It's my phone. Back then
Speaker 4: I did have a computer, and one of my friends
Speaker 4: come over. He built a computer for me and my son.
Speaker 4: He said, Mark, you got any pictures you want to
Speaker 4: put on a thumb drive. I was like, what I said,
Speaker 4: wants a throng drive? And he said it's the thing
Speaker 4: I could stole you pictures on that you want to
Speaker 4: save man, and you can get them printed off whenever
Speaker 4: you want to. Brown He put those things on the
Speaker 4: thumb drive. Now I moved across the street. When I
Speaker 4: got customed my son. I bought a piece of land.
Speaker 4: And I think you've got the pictures of that too.
Speaker 4: You see how would it is now one hundred The
Speaker 4: fish doll over there and my creek on my property
Speaker 4: ran into the lake. But the lake ran into It'scott Creek.
Speaker 4: The runs all the way down to the p D River,
Speaker 4: And there's something about that PDA River. They had seemed
Speaker 4: to congregate all along those banks, and I do believe
Speaker 4: they traveled the creeks. We was down there one day
Speaker 4: at the creek, and I had a big old pit
Speaker 4: bull and a Carolina doll. A guy from Georgia, he
Speaker 4: was an archaeologist. Somebody told me that he had a dog.
Speaker 4: He was getting rid of them. I was trying to
Speaker 4: find one, and I had never heard of anybody having
Speaker 4: a Carolina dog. A veterinarian told me about him. He
Speaker 4: brought me that dog from Georgia and they moved to Ashfield,
Speaker 4: North Carolina, to some kind of retirement community. In his life,
Speaker 4: but they couldn't have pets, so Katie and Hanks that
Speaker 4: was the pit bull. One day they took off down
Speaker 4: to Mint Creek and they both stopped dead in their tracks.
Speaker 4: I never heard a noise. I don't know what was
Speaker 4: going on, but they both turned around. They come back.
Speaker 4: They was both shaking. Both of the dogs were shaking.
Speaker 4: I told my son about it. I don't know what
Speaker 4: they saw down there, I said, but whatever it was
Speaker 4: that shook both of them up, he said, let's go
Speaker 4: down there. So we went down there and man, there
Speaker 4: was two sets of tracks and one was like, like
Speaker 4: I said, twenty something. I got my foot beside the
Speaker 4: track to show how big it was. I took two
Speaker 4: different pictures of tracks down there at the creek and
Speaker 4: it was far packed clay. There was black mud at
Speaker 4: the creek. But where I took the picture with my
Speaker 4: camouflaged crops ons, that was pretty hard. So we seen it.
Speaker 4: My son's like, I wonder if that's what come up
Speaker 4: and stormed it at the window. One night we were
Speaker 4: standing there while we was getting everything done getting electricity
Speaker 4: and all ran to the house. Were just camping out
Speaker 4: in the house. Some people wouldn't come under and steel
Speaker 4: stuff that they was working on structure site and some
Speaker 4: walked up to the window. We had a cooler and
Speaker 4: a coal and one of them little beds blew up eds.
Speaker 4: We had temporary power, so he was still playing Xbox
Speaker 4: all night. About four o'clock in the morning, he nudges me.
Speaker 4: I'm on the little couch in there, he said, budd,
Speaker 4: he said, and something blue like a horse snorts all
Speaker 4: I can compare it to. But it was bigger, if
Speaker 4: that makes sense. Whatever it was above that window. So
Speaker 4: we went out there, and it had to be twelve
Speaker 4: feed or taller. Didn't see me. Tracks My son was
Speaker 4: playing baseball. He had a ball game one night and
Speaker 4: one of my friends called. I said, hey, man, you
Speaker 4: care if I go down there? You hang out that
Speaker 4: We hit landers down there and stuff. And we got
Speaker 4: down and sit and just to shoot the breeze and
Speaker 4: hang out, cook out. And I said, no, man, make
Speaker 4: yourself at home. Brother, I said, just lock the gate.
Speaker 4: I said, we'll get the gate when we come, because
Speaker 4: I didn't want people riding up when I wasn't there.
Speaker 4: So he pulled in there and he was to say,
Speaker 4: let's ride down there and see David, I said, I said,
Speaker 4: we rode down there. He said, you win your ball game? Boy?
Speaker 4: He said yeah. He said what you got all your
Speaker 4: guns out for? He said, Man, I don't know what
Speaker 4: the world was going on out here, brother. He said,
Speaker 4: something come down and through them woods over there, and
Speaker 4: it was tearing down trees. It sounded like a bulldogs
Speaker 4: were tearing up stuff. And then it started throwing these
Speaker 4: big old white rocks over here. Brian, I'm talking about
Speaker 4: big white court rock I could pick because I'm disabled,
Speaker 4: but they were heavy.
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Speaker 4: He said, whatever it was chunking them rocks in that
Speaker 4: beaver pond like they were pebbles, He said, one lady
Speaker 4: right here beside the truck. I knew then. Shortly after
Speaker 4: that encounter, I had a girl come out there one night.
Speaker 4: We was cooking out on my little Sunday. She said, Mark,
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going on, but there's something over
Speaker 4: there behind that tree. It's got a big red eye
Speaker 4: and it keeps looking out at me. I said what
Speaker 4: she said? Yes, she said, when I tell you to
Speaker 4: turn around, I want you to turn round. She said,
Speaker 4: go ahead, and I turned around and showing up about
Speaker 4: twelve feet tall over there on the bank and the pines.
Speaker 4: It leaned out. There's a bunch of puns, and it
Speaker 4: leaned out and looked, and then it went back and
Speaker 4: I saw it. I said, I saw the red glowing eye.
Speaker 4: I remember hearing several people say, that's the only time
Speaker 4: I ever seen that. So I knew something was going on.
Speaker 4: She remember the thumb drive I was telling you about.
Speaker 4: We uploaded those pictures. One day, my buddy come down
Speaker 4: their Kyle, We just lost him. Rest his soul. I
Speaker 4: know that Wan since I was twelve years old. Good guy.
Speaker 4: He pulled those pictures up and he said, hey, you
Speaker 4: go here, this is how you work the thing. My
Speaker 4: mom came down, she had Houston, and they came in
Speaker 4: and I was going through them pictures and my mama said,
Speaker 4: what the world's at right there beside that tree. Now,
Speaker 4: my mom, seventy some years old at the time, saw it.
Speaker 4: I said, good lord, Mama. I said, my friend Andrew
Speaker 4: had done and farther wanted me to take some pictures.
Speaker 4: I said, I believe that's what was leaving the tracks
Speaker 4: up there at Mountain Creek where I was hunt. So
Speaker 4: that was like two thousand and eight. When I took
Speaker 4: them pictures. We uploaded them in twenty ten. Then I
Speaker 4: hunted up there after that, and I kept seeing tracks.
Speaker 4: One day I walked in there right and I saw
Speaker 4: another fresh track. Dude, I had ganged so much weight.
Speaker 4: I was like five hundred and sixty seven pounds. It
Speaker 4: was embarrassing I'd got so big, but I was having
Speaker 4: to hunt for food. I don't know if you know
Speaker 4: much about hunting, but my lawyer told me. He said,
Speaker 4: he said, with your Andrews. He said, if you're going
Speaker 4: to be dealing, you need to get you up. But
Speaker 4: now he's super black Eagle. He said, it's got the
Speaker 4: lowest free coal of any twelve games. He said, I
Speaker 4: know because I've had Rotator concerned. He said, you can
Speaker 4: do it because I shoot three and a half inch
Speaker 4: bucks out and I said, okay, so they're a little pricey.
Speaker 4: But it didn't get me one. So I got my
Speaker 4: limit every year up there. That's why I was telling
Speaker 4: you about One day I saw that big track. That's
Speaker 4: the biggest track I'd ever seen. But on the way
Speaker 4: in there, Brun it looked like something had killed a
Speaker 4: wild hog. We got a bunch of wild hogs up there.
Speaker 4: It literally squeezed, is what it looked like. It squeezed
Speaker 4: at the death because there was a track of feces.
Speaker 4: I know that sounds gross, but it was just like
Speaker 4: eight feet square and blood everywhere, and something had ate
Speaker 4: a possum and part of the possum's face was laying
Speaker 4: on right there where the hog was killed. So I
Speaker 4: won't come back there. And I see that track, and
Speaker 4: I caught my buddy told me his dad was a doctor.
Speaker 4: He said, next time want of the tracks, you call me.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come and take a picture of it. I said, okay,
Speaker 4: So I called it now he had to come thirty
Speaker 4: minutes away. So I said, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: call it the Wildlife Resource Commission and tell them. So
Speaker 4: I called Wildlife Resource Commission. They had a guy up
Speaker 4: and a biologist up in Albamore, North Carolina, and he
Speaker 4: worked with the North Carolina Wildlife Resource Commission. But he
Speaker 4: was up there trying to think of that state park
Speaker 4: there at Montgomery County. There's a big park at the
Speaker 4: Worrie National Force. So I called him and they said,
Speaker 4: we'll send somebody down. So he called me. His name
Speaker 4: was Bill. Him and my buddy got there by at
Speaker 4: the same time. They come up there and they saw
Speaker 4: the track. They took pictures of the track and measured
Speaker 4: and it was twenty something inches long. Bill said, Mark,
Speaker 4: he said, let me show you something. He said, I'm
Speaker 4: a professional. He said, I'm a wildlife biologist. And he
Speaker 4: picked the leaf up that was in the track. But
Speaker 4: like I said, I was five hundred sixty seven pounds
Speaker 4: and I was thinking down maybe a half inch. This
Speaker 4: thing was real. I knew that was somebody way back
Speaker 4: there beside the river with a bunch of weight on him.
Speaker 4: They can fake tracks enough. So he said, let me
Speaker 4: tell you, He said, I see these things all the
Speaker 4: time that you wore, and that's the force. But if
Speaker 4: I was to say that it is what it is,
Speaker 4: he said, I wouldn't have a job. He said, but
Speaker 4: that deer track under that leaf. I said, yes, sir.
Speaker 4: He said, that's what they call a contaminated track. It's
Speaker 4: almost like the government in the state agencies have made
Speaker 4: up rules to keep anybody from identifying the stuff. I
Speaker 4: kept hunting up there, and I went back a few
Speaker 4: days later, and I was back there on that same thing,
Speaker 4: because that's why I killed every deer right there in
Speaker 4: that one spot. They come across that off that little island,
Speaker 4: or going through the island, and I would just call somebody.
Speaker 4: They'd come drag it out for me and haul it
Speaker 4: down to the processing for me. In South Carolina, I
Speaker 4: was sitting there and I've never seen anything like this
Speaker 4: in my life. Over there in the briar thicket across
Speaker 4: the little swamp where I was hunting, there was an eyeball.
Speaker 4: It was white, but it was bigger than a softball,
Speaker 4: and it kept blinking. And I'm like what I said,
Speaker 4: man about irons playing tricks on me. The only thing
Speaker 4: I could think is it was one laying on the
Speaker 4: ground in the brush. Eyes during the day were bright.
Speaker 4: I know it sounds crazy, but it looked like big,
Speaker 4: like almost mechanical eyes blinking. I went back that next morning.
Speaker 4: I got there early, and I I don't the high
Speaker 4: that plain of other than I always kept a pistol
Speaker 4: with me for hogs, and I kept wanting my backpack too.
Speaker 4: I had a twelve gage, but I you went into
Speaker 4: a pack of hogs, you better have a little something
Speaker 4: with you. When I apartment truk at the gate and
Speaker 4: it started to walk back to it. Bron I had
Speaker 4: to walk around this little mountain. It was a mountain
Speaker 4: that went away, a big old mount that they caught
Speaker 4: a mount creek. I was walking back there, and I
Speaker 4: just got this eerie feeling. Man. I looked up there
Speaker 4: and I had just got me a brand new pair
Speaker 4: of glasses. I don't have to wear glasses anymore. But
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I had a revision, but it
Speaker 4: corrected itself. But I couldn't see speedling it signs back then,
Speaker 4: so I had to get glasses, and I had just
Speaker 4: got these glasses. I took my glasses up, my white
Speaker 4: miyes and put them back on the look there and
Speaker 4: I said, dag on, that looked like that thing in
Speaker 4: that picture that was laying on the ground under that
Speaker 4: tree that day, all white mines again and put it
Speaker 4: back up. I don't know why it was laying on
Speaker 4: the ground, but I know that there was no way
Speaker 4: a human could have went up that grade where it
Speaker 4: was laying on that ground. There's no possible way that
Speaker 4: it could have. And people was like, ay, that Mark's crazy.
Speaker 4: He believes he's seeing big but he's seeing tracks, and
Speaker 4: why is it only him? Why does he only see
Speaker 4: one track here in one track there. I can't explain
Speaker 4: all that, but I know what I've seen when it
Speaker 4: gets back to the tracks. There was one track that
Speaker 4: I was wanting to send you that was in the backyard.
Speaker 4: I had just bought a load of dirt from a
Speaker 4: guy named Mark. My brother was going to fill in
Speaker 4: some holes in his dog lots. He had a pit
Speaker 4: bull out there on a chain. And my mom said,
Speaker 4: we moved out there in nineteen seventy six, and in
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy seven she swears up down that she saw
Speaker 4: one standing out there where that dog was. I was like, Mama,
Speaker 4: I don't know. She said, look like that bigfoot thing
Speaker 4: that we saw on TV. Because we had a big
Speaker 4: sliding glass back door off the Sunday how about I
Speaker 4: think it was twenty and twenty one. My mom was
Speaker 4: still alive. He had that dog chained up out there,
Speaker 4: and my brother called me up. He was upset, and
Speaker 4: I said, we're from He said, some killed Oreo. I
Speaker 4: said what he said, Yes, some killed Warrior. He said,
Speaker 4: Raymond's board lives across the road over the behind the woods.
Speaker 4: He said, some killed all six of his pit bulls,
Speaker 4: and I said, Jim, I remember that, and I said,
Speaker 4: I'll be up there in a minute. I got my truck,
Speaker 4: drove up there, and something had twisted that dog's head around.
Speaker 4: It broke its neck. He was stiff, and then I
Speaker 4: knew what it was. And then when I went the
Speaker 4: head out, I saw that track beside that dirt mounted
Speaker 4: it like it walked down there to look at their house.
Speaker 4: I remember Raymond was an engineer on the railroad with
Speaker 4: my dad. Now, the creek that ran beside my house,
Speaker 4: the middle of the creek was my property line. So
Speaker 4: it went up to a community where David Raymond's son lived,
Speaker 4: champion pit bulls and whatever. They killed two of them
Speaker 4: brown and then it come back four days later and
Speaker 4: killed the other four. I talked to one of the
Speaker 4: deputies that went over. He said, MARKO, all I continue,
Speaker 4: and said those dogs were pulled apart, limb from limb
Speaker 4: and their heads were pulled off. I was like, and
Speaker 4: they were saying that a black bear did it, because
Speaker 4: I had black bears come through my property or a
Speaker 4: mountain lion. So that's just some of the counters that
Speaker 4: I had. I knew a girl up and all would
Speaker 4: be right there close to where I hunt. And she
Speaker 4: was going to her uncle's house. He had a bunch
Speaker 4: of chicken houses up there on the road coming in
Speaker 4: to where you had to turn right to go to
Speaker 4: where I hunt. I told her about it, and she said, Mark,
Speaker 4: I know they're real. She said that when it snowed,
Speaker 4: my uncle called me one way to go to the
Speaker 4: chicken houses with him. I rode up there with him,
Speaker 4: and she said there were some big foot tracks in
Speaker 4: the snow. And I said, I know you're not lying.
Speaker 4: And that creek was just right across the street from
Speaker 4: the chicken houses, Mountain Creek they called an old place
Speaker 4: called the Pothole. I'm talking to an ambulance driver who
Speaker 4: used to be a He was a Vietnam Vet. He
Speaker 4: told me on Highway seventy three, right there, close to
Speaker 4: where I was hunting, close to the Indian mount He said, Mark,
Speaker 4: I got a call. He said, back then, they have
Speaker 4: these old Bodyville station wagons. He said, that's the first
Speaker 4: job he got when he got out of Vietnam. Said
Speaker 4: that he picked the lady up and her husband and
Speaker 4: there wouldn't room in the back for her to ride
Speaker 4: back there with her husband and the other guy that
Speaker 4: helped him load him up. So she rode up front
Speaker 4: with him. So he said, back then the ambulace has
Speaker 4: had these stroke lights that would light up the road
Speaker 4: way down the road. Like I said, this is in
Speaker 4: the seventies. Thing. You said, that thing had a full
Speaker 4: fifty five or something like that, and it's some kind
Speaker 4: of big motor. He said. You know how the those
Speaker 4: cars used to float, he said, because it's a real
Speaker 4: old country road, he said, Mark, he said, my strug
Speaker 4: lights started lighting something up. I thought it was a cow.
Speaker 4: I had started slowing down like a cow standing on
Speaker 4: the side of the road that was on the bank.
Speaker 4: And he said, when I got closer, I could see
Speaker 4: he won't He said, a big foot. They said, I
Speaker 4: knew what the hell it was? He said, that thing,
Speaker 4: He said, it stepped off that bank onto the road
Speaker 4: and two steps he was into the woods and he
Speaker 4: said he just kept going and he said, he didn't
Speaker 4: say nothing. He said, he said that. Lady said, mister,
Speaker 4: what was that? He said, did you see it? He said, yes,
Speaker 4: I did. What was that? He said, ma'am, I don't know,
Speaker 4: so I don't think all these people just saying this
Speaker 4: stuff in the evidence that I've seen. Also, if you
Speaker 4: go down Holy Grove Church Road and turn left to
Speaker 4: go where I used to hunt up there at Mountain Creek,
Speaker 4: that boy Terry told me that there's some caverns in
Speaker 4: there that nobody knows about. I never went in the
Speaker 4: experienced that explored it. Have you ever heard of Campa
Speaker 4: Calls Special Forces Base part of Fort Brad, North Carolina.
Speaker 4: It's in five counties there. I was talking to a guy,
Speaker 4: he was in the Army, and he was talking to
Speaker 4: a guy who camped died up there, and he said
Speaker 4: one come through that he was sleeping in his car
Speaker 4: on Drowning Creek and he said it sounded like a
Speaker 4: hideous monks or said the thing cross Grounding Creek. He
Speaker 4: said the next morning when he got up where that
Speaker 4: thing went through the brush, it just cleared out the
Speaker 4: brush so it could get up on the bank. Another time,
Speaker 4: we were fishing at the PD River catch a striped bass,
Speaker 4: and we pitched the tent. That guy was fishing with
Speaker 4: his girlfriend was supposed to come up and hang out
Speaker 4: with us that night because we was gonna fish all day.
Speaker 4: The next day didn't go win because he had to
Speaker 4: work that night, so he didn't care. He just loved
Speaker 4: to fish. So we was up there and he got drunk.
Speaker 4: I had my dog Buck with me while I was
Speaker 4: getting firewood and pine cones. He was down there fishing
Speaker 4: that thing that he was deaf, and his right here
Speaker 4: he cut here. He's got his right ear toward us,
Speaker 4: fishing that way. My dog takes off after something bro
Speaker 4: and whatever it was, I kid you not. It was
Speaker 4: shaking the ground. The ground was vibrating. It was so heavy,
Speaker 4: and you could tell it was on two feet, but
Speaker 4: I couldn't see it. So I don't know if there's
Speaker 4: something to them, maybe being inter dimensional beings or whatever.
Speaker 4: He stood up, he said, what the hell was that?
Speaker 4: Now he's down at the river. I'm up there getting
Speaker 4: pine cone stuff to build a fire there, And I said, man,
Speaker 4: I didn't see anything. I said with a book to go.
Speaker 4: I had a three fifty seven and a forty caliber
Speaker 4: that I kept in my backpack when I was fishing
Speaker 4: the camp because I knew there was hogs up there.
Speaker 4: But I was down there catfishing when his girlfriend came up,
Speaker 4: and then she left, and he said, right back to
Speaker 4: the boat landing with us, I said, we all got
Speaker 4: in the boat, told me and hers I was scared. Man,
Speaker 4: I ain't never been in a boat at night. There's
Speaker 4: logs everywhere out there. But that guy knows that river
Speaker 4: like the back of his in it. So we go back.
Speaker 4: He finished the drink, he passed out. Man, he'storing so loud.
Speaker 4: I was like, my god, man, ain't gonna wake people
Speaker 4: up on those side of the place. So two o'clove
Speaker 4: in the morning. Something comes through there and I'm on
Speaker 4: the ground. Adult book slam beside me. I'm in my
Speaker 4: sleeping bag. He's out. Man, I hear this the most
Speaker 4: hideous monster sounds I've ever heard in my life. And
Speaker 4: the thing hits the god where to the storm fly
Speaker 4: on top of the tent. So it's standing to let
Speaker 4: the My dog shaking, bucks just shaking. He's just I
Speaker 4: cut a little bit one of the little pen likes
Speaker 4: that I had a flashlight. I grabbed my guns up
Speaker 4: my backpack and the fire had back burned out the
Speaker 4: campfire that we had one out there, but I had
Speaker 4: plenty of stuff to throw wan it. I just had
Speaker 4: to get out there where this thing was so I
Speaker 4: wash that tent man, and I have that forty in
Speaker 4: my right hand and that three fifty seven in my
Speaker 4: left hand. And I go out there and I tied
Speaker 4: the flap up, and I said, come on buck. The
Speaker 4: dog would not He just laid there shaking on my
Speaker 4: sleeping but he would not come out of the tent.
Speaker 4: So I threw some stuff on the thing, and I said,
Speaker 4: Steven stick. I kept trying to wait, Steven. He wouldn't
Speaker 4: get up. So I stayed up all night till sunrise.
Speaker 4: We went down there and something had drugged the cougar
Speaker 4: off the boat. Some got the cooglar out of the
Speaker 4: boat and drug it up on the bank or set
Speaker 4: it up there on the bank. I told Steven, I said, man,
Speaker 4: I know you're gonna think I'm crazy, but some whatever
Speaker 4: that was. When I was laying on the ground, just
Speaker 4: from the noise where it was coming from above me,
Speaker 4: I knew it was way all of the tenth. There
Speaker 4: was one more guy. He was a marine that done
Speaker 4: at camp. Was young North Carolina. I don't know if
Speaker 4: you ever heard of that, but he's done. His name
Speaker 4: is Daniel. He was talking about he heard something when
Speaker 4: they was doing maneuvers at Port Bragg, and he believes
Speaker 4: it was a big foot. So just too much stuff,
Speaker 4: too many people. And it seems like there are more
Speaker 4: and more sightings. The pictures I sent you where I
Speaker 4: was hunting, that's just years and years of seeing tracks
Speaker 4: up there. And saw a track at my buddy's house
Speaker 4: on the corner of Holygrove Church Road. Some stepped over
Speaker 4: you know what, the horse fence, says Brouh, the big
Speaker 4: horse fence, real heavy doogie stuff. It stepped over the
Speaker 4: fence and bentett. And where it bent the fence, there
Speaker 4: was just one track, but it was huge and it
Speaker 4: was down in the grass that had the grass pressed
Speaker 4: down Centerpete we saw several tracks up there in his
Speaker 4: grass around his pond. I saw one, and I saw
Speaker 4: that ie shine there at my house that time. But
Speaker 4: other than that, just the stories of the animals. And
Speaker 4: I did one time hunting on Colman Creek. Before I
Speaker 4: went up to my stand. One of my Buddiesho had
Speaker 4: built a tree stand down there.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We're
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: And the name was robbed there, he said, Mark me
Speaker 4: and Jeff cording hunt all the time. We built your
Speaker 4: tree stand. If you want to go sit in it,
Speaker 4: you hunt up there anytime you want to. He said,
Speaker 4: matter of fact, there, we'll have three up there, so
Speaker 4: we may be hunting. He said, just if you pull up,
Speaker 4: you hunt. You say, our card just took the horn.
Speaker 4: Windn't over shoot, I said. I. So I go in there.
Speaker 4: Nobody was there. I hear the dogs running over there
Speaker 4: on the backside, and it was cold. It was like
Speaker 4: nine degrees It was cold. And when I was walking
Speaker 4: in there, I had seen a tree that has bent over.
Speaker 4: Something had laid a deer up on top of that
Speaker 4: tree that was bent over. Because there was deer here
Speaker 4: all over that tree, I was like wow. So I
Speaker 4: was sitting there hunting, waiting on the dogs. It was
Speaker 4: so miserable. I had insulated boots and everything that was
Speaker 4: right beside that creek, so it felt older than what
Speaker 4: it normally would be. I never saw it, but something
Speaker 4: jumped in that creek, and I was like, maybe that's
Speaker 4: the deer. I've never heard of deer make that kind
Speaker 4: of a splash in a creek. It was just too
Speaker 4: big of a splash to be a deer. But I
Speaker 4: never saw anything. I went back a few days later,
Speaker 4: and I don't know if it was from where that
Speaker 4: thing had walked down the creek or what, but you
Speaker 4: could see an impression down in the rock into bedrock
Speaker 4: of the creek with the clay, and clay was oozing
Speaker 4: up out of the things. I might have just missed it,
Speaker 4: but you could see where it had pressed a track
Speaker 4: in the rock under the water there. The water was
Speaker 4: so clear, so I believe there may be a family
Speaker 4: of them up that way. To be honest with you,
Speaker 4: that's about what I got right up. If I started
Speaker 4: writing stuff down. I need to organize it better. I
Speaker 4: had a girl that was going to help me. It's
Speaker 4: good and stuff like that, so I'm sorry that I
Speaker 4: wasn't better prepared. I tried to be. It's all good.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to a couple of the situations.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about. Something that has really stuck
Speaker 1: out to me recently is the glowing eyes. That doesn't
Speaker 1: compute to me. It doesn't make sense because there's very
Speaker 1: few things in the natural world that have the ability
Speaker 1: to do that. But I've seen it myself. Plenty of
Speaker 1: people have described it to me in interviews. Let's talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about that. You've hunted all your life
Speaker 1: out in the woods. You've seen bear, hogs, you name it,
Speaker 1: you've seen it, You've seen eyeshine. What do you make
Speaker 1: of this glowing eye stuff? Does that tell you that
Speaker 1: there may be something more to these creatures than just
Speaker 1: flesh and blood.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you asked me that I've often wondered. I
Speaker 4: studied the Bible a lot. I believe that they may
Speaker 4: be those giants that were mentioned in Genesis six. But
Speaker 4: most people, like Mark, you really lost your mind. Now.
Speaker 4: But if they were some kind of celestial being that
Speaker 4: bred with a woman, is it possible? That's what it is.
Speaker 4: That's just my intake. I know one thing I wanted
Speaker 4: to tell you. The Sierra Nevada sounds that guy recorded, Yes,
Speaker 4: I can't remember his name, but one morning I got up.
Speaker 4: You know, we was living in Hamlet, North Carolina then,
Speaker 4: and we was behind the railroad. The idea hunted over
Speaker 4: there to on a farm that a guy that worked
Speaker 4: on the railroad had. Now, there was a lot of
Speaker 4: woods over there, and that's right there close to Camp MacCall.
Speaker 4: The Special Forces say, there's a lot of wooded area.
Speaker 4: There a lot of US restricted. I've often wondered if
Speaker 4: maybe the military has got something to do with them,
Speaker 4: because it seemed to be around a lot of military bases.
Speaker 4: It was like five o'clock in the morning. I always
Speaker 4: go get up and go walk and take my son
Speaker 4: to the gym with me, and then I'd go to
Speaker 4: work drop him off that caach. So I let him
Speaker 4: sleep and I got out. Me and Buck started walking.
Speaker 4: It was like five o'clock and we was walking through
Speaker 4: this section called Raintree, real nice neighborhood, a bunch of
Speaker 4: railroad men, nice houses. Brian. This thing led out one
Speaker 4: of them yells like the Balby Creek Indo Nit Sierra
Speaker 4: Nevada sounds. My dog started whimpering. Literally, he got behind me.
Speaker 4: Now I had my forty with me. I always walked
Speaker 4: with my forty because I knew there were mountain lions
Speaker 4: out there. So whatever that was, the vocal was so
Speaker 4: loud that as far as you could hear, dogs when
Speaker 4: they heard that sound, all the dogs in that neighborhood
Speaker 4: went crazy, just as far as you could hear. And
Speaker 4: one morning I walked outside to take my pit bull out.
Speaker 4: It's like four o'clock, and I had a little voice
Speaker 4: that debated recorder, and I heard them down there in
Speaker 4: that thing doing the woops. You've heard the woop sounds,
Speaker 4: they mean they was whooping. So I got that recorder
Speaker 4: and recorded it. Now, I don't know where that little
Speaker 4: thing is. If I ever find that and can play it,
Speaker 4: that'll blow some people's minds because you can hear it
Speaker 4: just a plain as day. There was like one at
Speaker 4: the bottom of my creek, and there were some down
Speaker 4: near the lake, and they was like they was talking
Speaker 4: to each other. But getting back to the eyes, what
Speaker 4: do you think about it? Maybe being the giants of
Speaker 4: Genesis six that Redwood women.
Speaker 1: Had conversations with people about to neffle them. I have
Speaker 1: a hard time getting there because I think these things
Speaker 1: evolved or I think they're their own thing. I think
Speaker 1: at some point in time I thought they were probably Austraglapithosyne,
Speaker 1: thought they might be some even related to, if not
Speaker 1: Gigantopithecus offshoot. Those kind of things make more sense to
Speaker 1: me because I am a very flesh and blood belief right. However,
Speaker 1: I've seen the eye glow myself.
Speaker 4: That's where I lose credibility with people. They're like, Mark,
Speaker 4: you've lost your mind. Like I said, it was huge
Speaker 4: run and it was twelve feet up. It was on
Speaker 4: that hill where the pine thicket was. It never was aggressive,
Speaker 4: because I've heard these things are super fast. I just
Speaker 4: met a girl from Ashville, North Carolina. I think she
Speaker 4: said she was Spruce Pine, North Carolinia. Just met her
Speaker 4: here in northern California. What's to Dodds? I said, what
Speaker 4: brings out here to Northern California? She said, we lost everything.
Speaker 4: Our house is underwater. She said, me and my brother
Speaker 4: come out here. So we got to talking. When I
Speaker 4: first got here last year, I was near the Sacramento
Speaker 4: River and I met a girl out there that was
Speaker 4: a real estate agent. I saw two tracks coming up
Speaker 4: off the Sacramento River. Ryan Again, there's no way humanly
Speaker 4: possible a man could have made that climb, even though
Speaker 4: it was in a real wooded area off the river.
Speaker 4: There was a little park there and there was a cement,
Speaker 4: but it ended a sidewalk ended right there beside the river.
Speaker 4: Right on the other side of the sidewalk were two
Speaker 4: tracks twenty something inches long and they was on hard rock,
Speaker 4: but there was a little gravel in there and you
Speaker 4: could see the toads. I could see it this plain
Speaker 4: as day. And the next day when I was walking,
Speaker 4: there was a maintenance building over there. They had a
Speaker 4: paved road that went in between two fields. There was
Speaker 4: a deer eating to the bone. I've never seen anything
Speaker 4: like that. I don't know that was that deer that
Speaker 4: I saw that day. And now I heard they got codies,
Speaker 4: hogs and wolves, mountain lions. What could it be? But
Speaker 4: I did see the two tracks coming out of the
Speaker 4: Sacramento River. And then that lady, the real estate agent,
Speaker 4: she said, we was at Mount Shasta. She said, I
Speaker 4: went up there one day with a client. She said
Speaker 4: we found the track. We was up there hiking and
Speaker 4: she said, we found the track, and I took the picture.
Speaker 4: She sent it to me. Something happened with my pictures.
Speaker 4: I was going to send you that picture too. Matter
Speaker 4: of fact, I contacted her and asked her to send
Speaker 4: me again. But she probably just forgot or don't care.
Speaker 4: But I did say the track, it was a track.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to a couple of the
Speaker 1: instance as you mentioned. I think one of them was
Speaker 1: somebody had told you about some sounds vocalizations and the
Speaker 1: other time you had heard them as well while you
Speaker 1: were camping. Can you talk a little bit more in
Speaker 1: detail about the kind of noises they're making, the kind
Speaker 1: of vocalizations that you've heard.
Speaker 4: The one that I heard at the river that was
Speaker 4: above my tent, it sounded like the biggest demon. Now
Speaker 4: I can't even I can't even come whin. They're close
Speaker 4: to it. Man. It was so bad that my Carolina
Speaker 4: dog Buck, I had a male dog named Buck, That's
Speaker 4: who I had with me. He was shaking in that tent.
Speaker 4: My buddy was passed out snoring, and that didn't decur
Speaker 4: this thing. They wasn't worried about us. I tell you
Speaker 4: that I went out there. I was scared to death,
Speaker 4: and I'm not gonna lie that. I did have two
Speaker 4: guns with me, but my dog would not come out
Speaker 4: of that tent. I tried, I said, come on, but
Speaker 4: I put the little pin flashlight out. Come on. He
Speaker 4: just shaken uncontrollably. The sounds that I heard when I
Speaker 4: was over there behind the railroad in Hamlet, North Carolina,
Speaker 4: right there rain tree development that was like kind of
Speaker 4: like Boggy Creek. That guy that was at camp called
Speaker 4: a Special Forces base, he said, the one that walked
Speaker 4: by him, it sounded like a monster's what he said.
Speaker 4: It was ill, he said. And when it crossed Granted
Speaker 4: Crest got alligators, water moccasins, he said, they crossed. He said.
Speaker 4: Over there it was so thick, the brush, the briers
Speaker 4: and stuff. He said, somebody took a bulldozer through there,
Speaker 4: just cleared it out so much and went up through
Speaker 4: the hoops that I heard of my creek were like
Speaker 4: the whoops that you hear, and they were loud. I
Speaker 4: tell you something that's just came to mind. H I
Speaker 4: just turned sixty minutes. The things I haven't been taking
Speaker 4: a little more Rosemary man get membery back. I noticed
Speaker 4: a lot of times at night at my house when
Speaker 4: I would come in, something would whistle, whistle, literally like
Speaker 4: a human. Do you read much front all the time? Okay?
Speaker 4: Have you ever read this book? I have not.
Speaker 1: I have it, but I haven't read it.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you that right there, this is a
Speaker 4: Big Foot by Tom Burnett and Rob Riggs. Now he
Speaker 4: was over there in the mountains of North Carolina. You
Speaker 4: need to read that book. Brother. Let me tell you
Speaker 4: everything that it's all my confirmations have come from that
Speaker 4: book right there, because I know that he experienced some
Speaker 4: of the same stuff. You'll probably read that more than once,
Speaker 4: but it is a good book. I'm not getting paid
Speaker 4: to say that. But my friend here's my caregiver. She
Speaker 4: sent me that book where I came and she said,
Speaker 4: market there's a lot of sightings out here to Patterson
Speaker 4: Gimlet Films right over there, clam and Falls. I think
Speaker 4: that's several hours, but I plan on going up there
Speaker 4: one day. But I do know there's a lot of
Speaker 4: sightings around the Mount Shasta. I think David seen them.
Speaker 4: They've seen them everywhere now a lot of Arizona. Have
Speaker 4: you heard anything about some people think that diggs or
Speaker 4: dog men. What do you think about that? I think
Speaker 4: they're two different creatures.
Speaker 1: I think there's some misidentifications going on in the past.
Speaker 1: I think people have probably seen a sasquatch and mistaken
Speaker 1: it for something else, like a dog man. To me,
Speaker 1: dog man just doesn't compute either. It's very difficult for
Speaker 1: me to wrap my brain around how that exists.
Speaker 4: Bear maybe from some of these labs that they got,
Speaker 4: like Plumb Island. You've heard of all the creatures that
Speaker 4: washed up on shore over there.
Speaker 1: Since Mark brought it up, I just have to break
Speaker 1: into the conversation for a moment to talk about Plumb Island.
Speaker 1: This place has been the subject of mystery, intrigue, and
Speaker 1: no small amount of speculation for decades. Officially, it's home
Speaker 1: to the Plumb Island Animal Disease Center, a US government
Speaker 1: research facility focused on protecting America's livestock from foreign animal diseases. Unofficially, well,
Speaker 1: that's where the story gets a whole lot more interesting.
Speaker 1: Plum Island is an eight hundred and forty acre land
Speaker 1: mass located about one and a half miles off the
Speaker 1: northeastern tip of Long Island, New York, near Orient Point.
Speaker 1: It is part of Suffolk County and sits just a
Speaker 1: short distance across the water from Connecticut. The island is
Speaker 1: heavily restricted, with the US Department of Homeland Security controlling access.
Speaker 1: The only way to reach it is by authorized ferry
Speaker 1: or aircraft. An entry is strictly limited to government personnel, scientists,
Speaker 1: and approved workers. Since the nineteen fifties, Plum Island has
Speaker 1: been home to the Plum Island Animal Disease Center, a
Speaker 1: government research lab originally operated by the US Department of Agriculture.
Speaker 1: It was established in nineteen fifty four to study highly
Speaker 1: contagious livestock diseases like foot and mouth disease, African swine fever,
Speaker 1: and rinderpest. In two thousand and three, control of the
Speaker 1: facility was transferred to the Department of Homelands Security given
Speaker 1: its importance to national security and food supply protection. According
Speaker 1: to government records, Plumb Island's main function is to research
Speaker 1: and contain foreign animal diseases that could devastate American agriculture.
Speaker 1: One of the lab's primary focuses has been foot and
Speaker 1: mouth disease, or FMD, a highly contagious virus that affects cattle, sheep, pigs,
Speaker 1: and other cloven hoofed animals. The US has remained free
Speaker 1: of FMD since nineteen twenty nine, thanks in part to
Speaker 1: the research and biosecurity measures developed at Plumb Island. However,
Speaker 1: because of the facility's work with dangerous pathogens, security is
Speaker 1: incredibly tight. The island operates under Biosafety Level three containment,
Speaker 1: meaning strict protocols are in place to prevent any accidental
Speaker 1: release of pathogens. There is also no public access, even
Speaker 1: journalists and researchers have had a hard time getting a
Speaker 1: look at what goes on inside. For decades, rumors have
Speaker 1: swore world about what else might be happening on Plum
Speaker 1: Island beyond standard agricultural research. Some of the most persistent
Speaker 1: theories suggest that the lab has been involved in bioweapons research,
Speaker 1: genetic experiments, and even bizarre animal human hybrid testing. One
Speaker 1: of the most widely discussed theories involves doctor Eric Traub,
Speaker 1: a former Nazi scientist who allegedly worked for the US
Speaker 1: government under Operation paper Clip, a program that brought German
Speaker 1: scientists to the US after World War II. Traub specialized
Speaker 1: in biological warfare and tick born diseases, and was supposedly
Speaker 1: connected to Plum Island's early research. Some theorists claim his
Speaker 1: work may have contributed to the spread of lime disease,
Speaker 1: which was first identified in nearby Lime, Connecticut in the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies. Some believe the bacteria that causes lime burelia
Speaker 1: burgdorfery may have originated from experiments on Plum Island and
Speaker 1: was accidentally released into the local tick population. One of
Speaker 1: the most infamous events connected to Plumb Island occurred in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, when a bizarre unidentified creature washed
Speaker 1: ashore in Montalk, New York. The creature had strange features,
Speaker 1: including what appeared to be a beak like mouth and
Speaker 1: decayed flesh, leading to wild speculation that it was the
Speaker 1: result of genetic experimentation on Plum Island. Dubbed the Montalk Monster,
Speaker 1: the carcass gained national attention, and conspiracy theorists pointed to
Speaker 1: the island secrecy as evidence that something unnatural had escaped.
Speaker 1: Scientists and skeptics, however, argue that the Montalk Monster was
Speaker 1: likely just a decomposed raccoon, dog or coyote that had
Speaker 1: been bloated and distorted from time in the water. In
Speaker 1: twenty ten, yet another strange discovery occurred, this time a
Speaker 1: human like body washed up on Plum Island itself. The
Speaker 1: badly decomposed corpse was said to have elongated fingers and
Speaker 1: an unusual skull shape, sparking even more speculation about government experiments. Authorities, however,
Speaker 1: quickly dismissed it as a drowning victim who had drifted
Speaker 1: in from elsewhere. Some theorists claim that Plumb Island is
Speaker 1: secretly working on bioengineered viruses. And other deadly pathogens, with
Speaker 1: some even suggesting it could be a modern day version
Speaker 1: of Unit seventy three to one, Japan's infamous World War
Speaker 1: II biowarfare research facility. The island's extreme secrecy, combined with
Speaker 1: past government involvement in questionable experiments such as the Tuskegee
Speaker 1: Syphilis Study and mk Ultra, fuel speculation that something sinister
Speaker 1: is happening behind closed doors. In twenty thirteen, the federal
Speaker 1: government announced plans to close the Plumb Island facility and
Speaker 1: move operations to the National Bio and Agro Defense Facility
Speaker 1: in Manhattan, Kansas. This new facility will be even more secure,
Speaker 1: with biosafety Level four labs, meaning it will be capable
Speaker 1: of handling the most dangerous pathogens known to mankind. However,
Speaker 1: as of twenty twenty five five, Plumb Island remains operational,
Speaker 1: and questions linger about what will happen to the island
Speaker 1: once the facility shuts down. Despite plans to sell the
Speaker 1: island to private developers, environmentalists and historians have pushed for
Speaker 1: it to become a nature preserve or protected site. Some
Speaker 1: fear that classified research may have left behind dangerous contaminants
Speaker 1: or biological hazards, making the land permanently unsafe. Whether Plumb
Speaker 1: Island is simply a high security agricultural research center or
Speaker 1: something much more sinister, one thing is certain. It has
Speaker 1: been a magnet for conspiracy theories and secrecy for decades.
Speaker 1: The combination of government control, restricted access, and bizarre discoveries
Speaker 1: in the surrounding area only adds to the mystery. Was
Speaker 1: Plum Island ever involved in bioweapons testing? Did Nazi scientists
Speaker 1: help shape its early research? Could it be the origin
Speaker 1: of lyme disease, or even home to failed genetic experiments.
Speaker 1: The truth may never be fully known, but as long
Speaker 1: as secrecy surrounds the island, the speculation will continue. Stay
Speaker 1: tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right
Speaker 1: back after these messages.
Speaker 4: I will tell you this now. I've seen this one
Speaker 4: on us When we was out there at Camp McCall
Speaker 4: one day fishing, a snake went across the road where
Speaker 4: they do to see her training for the green breads
Speaker 4: out there. You had to get a permit and a
Speaker 4: fishing license to fish out there. This snake goes across
Speaker 4: the road. It was about eight feet long and it
Speaker 4: literally looked like a sea snake mixed with a black mamba.
Speaker 4: Even the guy that was with me, he was a
Speaker 4: green braid, he said, Mark, he said that snake looks
Speaker 4: like it's been in a bread with another word. I said,
Speaker 4: that looks like a mamba and a sea snake, because
Speaker 4: it had like an eel tel like a sea snake.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, who knows what they're doing in
Speaker 4: these lab.
Speaker 1: The good old US government. There is no telling, my friend.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, brother, Mark, I really appreciate you coming
Speaker 1: on the show man and sharing your experiences. I've had
Speaker 1: a blast talking to you.
Speaker 4: You too, brun. Like I said, if I get some
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Speaker 4: I'll try to have it better laid out if you want.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it very much, my friend.
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