WEBVTT 1 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:23.359 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host. 2 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:25.480 And before I forget, I want to thank you all 3 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:28.239 for being here watching live in chat and all that 4 00:00:28.280 --> 00:00:31.000 your questions are always great, Always glad to have you here. 5 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:35.520 So tonight's guest is Christopher Noel and he holds a 6 00:00:35.560 --> 00:00:41.280 master's degree in philosophy from Yale very great amazing school 7 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:45.359 and an MFA from Vermont College of Fine Arts, where 8 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:46.719 he taught for twenty years. 9 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:46.880 There. 10 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:50.520 We'll be discussing a lot of different things, but UFOs 11 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:53.679 and consciousness. That's kind of where I want to go 12 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:57.880 because I'm trying to understand the connections and how all 13 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:01.759 that works. So we'll see where it goes the conversation goes, 14 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:03.679 but that's kind of what I'm interested in the most. 15 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:07.840 But again, we'll see what happens during this conversation. So 16 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:10.920 before we began, I'd like to take a look at 17 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:14.319 what is coming up. I am honored to have the 18 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:16.840 one and only in Shaq Vla coming up. I have 19 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:19.439 to tell you it was great honor for my producer 20 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:21.840 and I to get invited to his home for lunch 21 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:25.000 last year. You can see this picture of us in 22 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:28.439 San Francisco. That was a lot of fun. And also 23 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:32.040 it was just an amazing conversation all day. And when 24 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:36.159 Shaq turned to me and said to me, what do 25 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:39.159 you think is really going on? I was amazed by 26 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:42.319 that question. It was kind of surreal. But I'm really 27 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:45.120 happy that he decided to reach out to me and 28 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:48.319 is going to be on the show this Thursday. So 29 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:52.040 that's eight pm Eastern. I don't miss that one. And 30 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:56.200 speaking of Donna, she was able to meet Captain Kirk 31 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:59.640 recently the other day and to get this nice picture 32 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:02.480 with him William Shatner, So I thought that was a 33 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:06.200 lot of fun. So here we go into what is 34 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:10.159 going on next Tuesday, and that's Eastern always at eight 35 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:13.599 pm Eastern. My Scott, my guest is Scott Gearin. I 36 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:16.400 met him out at Contact in the Desert. He's the 37 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:19.719 author of Hiding in Playing Sight. It's a book about 38 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:24.680 unidentified phenomena in our upper atmosphere. It's a lot of pictures, 39 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:30.280 very interesting. Scott is a remarkable guy as far as 40 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:33.560 a survival story and things that he's done in the military. 41 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:38.080 During a training mission with an Elite Navy sealed team, 42 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:43.319 another jumper crashed through his parachute canopy. This was an accident, 43 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:47.120 of course, struck him in the head, knocked him completely unconscious, 44 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:50.719 and he spiraled for more than three thousand feet. He 45 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:52.680 hit the ground at over one hundred miles an hour, 46 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:56.759 and somehow he is still here to tell the story. 47 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:00.520 I think it's just an amazing thing. Maybe it helped 48 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:03.159 him to be unconscious on the way down instead of 49 00:03:03.199 --> 00:03:06.120 tensing up or whatever. People do that to make things 50 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.719 worse for them when they hit the ground. So next Thursday, 51 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:12.960 I will be at the Muffon Symposium getting ready for that. 52 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:16.159 I'm helping behind the scenes, but I did plan a 53 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:19.879 show at eight pm Eastern and that'll be I'll be 54 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:24.439 joined by a great Australian UFO researcher who's known for 55 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:28.960 his great FOYA document research, Grant Levic. He'll be on 56 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:31.199 during that time. I'll try to be in the chat 57 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:32.960 room if I can. I had to pre record that 58 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:35.360 with him because of the time difference and all that. 59 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:38.800 So if you happen to be attending the Mufon Symposium, 60 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:40.960 I will be there and I would love to say hello. 61 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:43.680 I always like meeting up with the listeners of the show. 62 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.039 I'm going to be working a panel and a few 63 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:49.120 other things as a moderator, that type of thing. But 64 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:50.919 you can always reach out to me if you're there, 65 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:55.360 Martinette podcastufo dot com. And it's really excited to meet 66 00:03:55.479 --> 00:03:59.280 Alex Dietrich and you can get one day passes. There 67 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:02.719 is the Saturday pass only. They have day passes only, 68 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:05.560 and she's going to be speaking on Saturday. Should be 69 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:09.639 really interesting to meet her. Okay, be sure to visit 70 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:15.400 to visit podcastufo dot com. This week's fascinating blog by 71 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:18.759 Charles Lear all his historic research that he does is 72 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:22.800 a nineteen sixty four UFO and humanoid report. This has 73 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:24.839 nothing to do with Scoro, even though it was the 74 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:28.680 same year this SoCoRo incident. This happened on April twenty fourth, 75 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:32.800 and nineteen sixty four, New York farmer Gary Wilcox reported 76 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:36.240 and encountering an egg shaped craft also same as Socora, 77 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:42.319 and two four foot humanoids also as Secora. But the humanoids, 78 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:46.079 according to his report, claim to be from Mars, and 79 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.279 I guess that's probably not so. Now let's welcome our 80 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:53.360 guest tonight, Christopher Noel, for a conversation. As I said, 81 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:59.040 about all aspects of the phenomenon, including consciousness. Christopher, welcome, 82 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:01.560 Hey there, glad to be here. 83 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:01.839 Martin. 84 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.800 I've watched you for a long time and I saw you. 85 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:07.120 You got a choice seat at the Was it a 86 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:08.199 David Grush. 87 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:09.040 One, that's right? 88 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:12.519 Yeah, yeah, you and I forget who you were buddying 89 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:12.800 up with. 90 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:16.519 Oh yeah, Chris, Chris, Yeah you. 91 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:18.720 Got in there? Were you the last ones to get in? 92 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:21.040 We were. Christ was the last one. 93 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:24.800 My producer and I were the the and Chris were 94 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:26.160 the last three people in the door. 95 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:28.199 They almost didn't get in. 96 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:30.560 If I didn't scare someone off the cut in line, 97 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:31.639 we would have never gotten in. 98 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:33.319 I remember that. 99 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.000 So it's good all these three years, three years later, 100 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:38.560 let's see how much progress we have made and to 101 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:40.959 be able to meet you and talk with you. And 102 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:44.560 I'm glad that Jacques Devla is not. It is only 103 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:47.560 two days away from in the future from me, because 104 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:51.279 you know what they say in showbiz, never follow animals, 105 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:55.560 children or Jacques Vla. So I'm happy to be placed here. 106 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:01.240 Yeah yeah, yeah, So I have to you have your Yelle, 107 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:03.079 such a great school of a friend that went there. 108 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:08.720 So you have your master's in philosophy and Is this 109 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:13.199 a lifelong thing that you've been thinking about this whole topic, 110 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:16.079 or is this something that came on later after you 111 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:18.560 slowed down and your. 112 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:20.759 Tea slowed down in my dotage. 113 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:23.879 Yes, Now, I'll tell you what My interest in the 114 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:28.959 unseen world and the nature of consciousness and what it 115 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:33.040 can do within our physical world started when I was 116 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:37.600 seventeen and had a long interaction with a ghost with 117 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:40.199 an older friend of mine, a woman older friend of mine, 118 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:43.839 my writing mentor, and I. She lived in an old 119 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:46.920 house in Vermont, just a couple of miles from me 120 00:06:47.560 --> 00:06:50.240 in northern Vermont, and she told me that she'd been 121 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:53.519 having interesting phenomena in her house, including she and her 122 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:56.439 husband would be in their bedroom at the old part 123 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:58.879 of the house, and her husband would sometimes see a 124 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:03.240 little light down like tinkerbell in the peter pan, but 125 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:06.360 little light come over her head and just hover there 126 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:09.399 while she was asleep, and then just dissipate up into 127 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:12.720 the ceiling. And also there was in the same old 128 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:15.680 part of the house there was a column of light, 129 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:17.680 a sort of a vague column of light that you 130 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.480 could see. It didn't have any definition to it, but 131 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:22.480 when they would bring people back there and show it 132 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:24.680 to them. They would all have the same impression in 133 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.480 their mind of a sad, hunched over old old man 134 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:30.839 with overalls on like a farmer. And I said, hey, 135 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:35.240 let's start to contact him. I was a chipper, eager 136 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:38.000 young man, and she luckily was up for it. So 137 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:42.040 we had a whole five month long interchange with this 138 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:46.879 personality through not just the Wiji War, but also automatic writing, 139 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.680 and also there was some physical mediumship you could call it, 140 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:56.399 that went on. Most especially we would hear like we 141 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:58.720 would sit down for a session and nothing was happening 142 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:02.600 in the war, wasn't moving, and we didn't get that 143 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:06.079 tingling feeling. We would sit there and then all of 144 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:08.240 a sudden, this bell would ring like a cow bell 145 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:10.680 outside under the eves of the house, but there was 146 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:16.040 no such bell there in ordinary reality. But the bell 147 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:21.399 was recorded on our cassette tape recorder because the plant 148 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:24.079 set of the wigit would move around so fast that 149 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:25.800 we would have to call out the letters because we 150 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:27.680 couldn't write them down because it was just she and I, 151 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:29.439 and so we call out the letters and we would 152 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:30.600 transcribe them later. 153 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:31.360 And you can hear the. 154 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.919 Bell ringing even though there was no bell, so that 155 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:38.000 was an exciting aspect. And I'm not going to dominate 156 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:40.039 this interview by this story because it goes on a 157 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:43.320 long time. But there was one moment when I said 158 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:45.720 to this entity. I said, John, I'm about to go 159 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:47.919 on a family vacation for a couple of weeks. Goodbye, 160 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:49.679 I'll see you later. And as I turned to leave 161 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:52.720 that room, I felt a hand at the back of 162 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:55.879 my head. It felt like it was about one third solid, 163 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:01.639 like one third materialized, and not like a fully substantive hand. 164 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.720 And I then knew that the invisible world could become 165 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:07.200 denser and interact. 166 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:09.559 I knew that in other ways too. 167 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:12.080 It would sometimes be cold in the room, suddenly cold, 168 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:15.080 really cold, and lots of people describe that. But when 169 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:17.200 I felt that caress at the back of my head, 170 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:21.440 that's stuck in my mind. Now, fifty years later, forty 171 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:26.240 some years later, I'm circling back and trying to understand 172 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:30.399 the nature of this unseen world that is filled with 173 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:35.480 conscious agents that are by default invisible, but they can manifest. 174 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.480 Briefly at our level of reality. 175 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:41.120 And so that's why I thought of the name for 176 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:44.360 my recent book, The Anatomy of thin air where I'm 177 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:46.879 thinking everybody thinks that the thin air is just nothing. 178 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:49.759 And if we can't see, if we can't see. 179 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:52.320 A presence, it means it must be some other dimensions, 180 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.879 like separate away from some ethereal beyond that doesn't have 181 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:00.679 anything in common really with our world. And so I'm 182 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:03.080 trying to make out trying to work up a model 183 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:07.840 of reality that includes consciousness as a physical as a 184 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.159 matter and energy alongside all the other kinds of matter 185 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:14.440 and energy, so that it's not either the materialist view 186 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:18.360 where consciousness just derives from the circuitry of our brains 187 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:23.279 the reductionist materialist view, nor is it full idealism, where 188 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:27.039 consciousness is the fundamental the only reality out of which 189 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:32.559 our illusion of the material world is derived. But instead 190 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:35.600 so those are two like monolithic. And I think that 191 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:39.639 it's more effective because it answers certain questions about the 192 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.399 phenomenology of paranormal experience that we'll get to soon. It 193 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:46.360 answers questions about that it kind of gets traction on 194 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:51.840 these experiences to have consciousness as a high frequency level, 195 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:56.279 high frequency, high energy layer of reality that is normally 196 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:01.279 at a default state, just like I'm sorry there's so 197 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:04.200 much to tell you and tell our listeners. But you 198 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:08.039 know about quantum fields and how we used to be 199 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:12.159 told that the building blocks of reality were elementary particles. 200 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.799 There's all these elementary particles we used to but now 201 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:20.600 it's increasingly being demonstrated and accepted as a consensus within 202 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:25.919 physics and cosmology that particles aren't a baseline reality. 203 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:28.120 They are a product of these. 204 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.240 Underlying fields, these fields of pure potential that give rise 205 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:36.000 to particles. And at the most streamlined, there are seventeen 206 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:38.399 particles out of which all of physical. 207 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:39.639 Reality is formed. 208 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:43.759 And so there are seventeen of these fields, quantum fields. 209 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:46.360 And the thing about them is that they're everywhere in 210 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:50.360 the universe, all over there between my two fingers, all 211 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:54.080 seventeen of them, and they're in Alva centuri and beyond 212 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:58.759 where the James Web can see, and every cubic millimeter 213 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:02.000 is filled with all seventeen of these fields. And if 214 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:03.559 you don't believe me, you can go look it up 215 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:06.919 at you guys out there. And I'm proposing that consciousness 216 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:11.600 is not the brain, and it's not everything, but it's 217 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:13.840 another one of these fields. I'm proposing it as an 218 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:17.559 eighteenth field, and not just out of fanciful imagination, but 219 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:20.960 because it actually seems to answer some questions. 220 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:23.200 So that's my opening spiel. 221 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.120 Yeah, The one part I often say, or I've often 222 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.559 felt the more I've looked at this UFO topic, for one, 223 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.120 that i feel like I almost know less than I 224 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:38.559 did when I started in some ways. But when it 225 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:41.840 comes to the consciousness, I know that it's a really 226 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:45.039 hard thing to define, and I'm not really sure if 227 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:48.039 we really can define it one hundred percent. I have 228 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:50.600 a lot of talk about that everybody. 229 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:54.960 Increasingly, people are saying the consciousness aspect or element of 230 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:57.200 this thing is bigger than we realize, but nobody really 231 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:01.360 defines it. So I'm at least trying. Probably almost everybody 232 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:04.879 who attempts this is wrong, almost definitely, But I'm throwing 233 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:07.919 the spaghetti at the wall and I'm trying to understand. 234 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:12.360 I'm trying to assemble a viewpoint that to contribute to 235 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:15.679 the conversation as a possibility and just a proposal. The 236 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:19.639 consciousness is as I'm describing, and that when we have 237 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:23.919 these when we have paranormal experiences, whether it's a UFO 238 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:28.279 coming down, a spirit manifesting itself in a seance or 239 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:32.759 a haunted house, or an encounter with a cryptid, especially 240 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.960 in my case sasquatch, because that's what I've spent many 241 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:39.759 years of my life studying that species. There are these 242 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:45.639 commonalities of the phenomenology of that experience. The atmosphere gets 243 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:51.480 really thick, and static electricity seems to permeate the air. 244 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:53.080 People's hair stands. 245 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:54.960 Up on their arms and their necks, and even before 246 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:58.240 they know that they're in some sort of encounter, the 247 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:02.039 barometric pressure suddenly will plummet. People who are ghost hunters 248 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:05.679 and actually have barometers, they measure this and it plummets. 249 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:09.759 The temperature plummets, gets cold, the pressure if you even 250 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:11.639 if you don't have a barometer, you can feel the 251 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:15.600 pressure change by your ear drums popping, or getting a 252 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.519 headache like your head is in a vice, similar to 253 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:21.720 altitude sickness, because at the top of a mountain the 254 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:25.200 pressure is lower. And then also we have these electromagnetic 255 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:28.279 side effects that are very familiar to all of us. 256 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:30.919 The cars suddenly stop, our phones get all messed up, 257 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.960 batteries get drained. This happens in sasquatch research all the time, 258 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:35.440 and many who are around to you. 259 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:40.039 Yeah, I've only heard that when it came to UFO encounters, 260 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:40.960 not subsquatch. 261 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:42.039 That's where I come. 262 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:45.759 Yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot more of applicability 263 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:49.519 to these same aspects that people come up against. It's 264 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.600 called in sasquatch's field research. When we're out at night 265 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:56.120 and we're making sounds to try to elicit a response 266 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.919 from them. If they come close, we'll have what's called 267 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:02.639 the Bigfoot curse. Suddenly our cameras will malfunction, our batteries 268 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:05.519 will drain, will feel cold, And there's a thing called 269 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:10.159 being zapped, which is an electromagnetic pulse or wave that 270 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:13.679 hits you and you feel most of the time you feel. 271 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:14.639 Dread, nausea. 272 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:19.600 Sometimes you go down to your knees because you feel dizzy, disoriented. 273 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.519 People have missing time in relation to sasquatch encounters. This 274 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.840 is why I think that the sasquat nature is dominated 275 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.120 by consciousness more so than our own nature. 276 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:33.320 And we can get into that if you want. 277 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:36.480 But yeah, it's very similar to UFO, the sort of 278 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:38.240 landscape of UFO. 279 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:39.559 Encounters, and similar to. 280 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:45.360 Any kind of disembody, a conscious agent across the board, 281 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:50.360 across the domains of the high strangeness seems to cause 282 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:53.120 these same effects when it manifests down here. And that's 283 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:55.480 why I think that it makes sense to think of 284 00:15:55.519 --> 00:16:00.120 consciousness as a physical force, a physical field, because if 285 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.080 it were just you know, for so long, ever since 286 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:08.159 Descartes where he separated physical stuff substance from mental substance, 287 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:13.320 he made that very clear divide, and never the twain 288 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:16.879 shall meet. Philosophers and parapsychologists who have been trying to 289 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:20.080 figure out how can this immaterial substance really affect the 290 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:23.320 material world. And I think that it's impossible for that 291 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:27.399 paradigm to really be fruitful, because it's really only if 292 00:16:27.399 --> 00:16:31.279 consciousness is part of this one system that it can 293 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:35.200 interact with elements within that system and cause friction and 294 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:38.600 tension and dynamics within that system that can give rise 295 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:44.759 to these atmospheric and environmental and electromagnetic thermodynamic side effects. 296 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.720 And also I think that it makes sense to think 297 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:54.360 of consciousness as the highest frequency field in nature because 298 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:59.919 of such truth such characteristics as the ability to remotely 299 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.960 access information. The higher the frequency of a field, the 300 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:06.799 more information that can carry. And so if consciousness is 301 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:09.799 higher than we can even measure so far because science 302 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:13.039 has never succeeded in capturing consciousness. 303 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:14.039 Like lightning in. 304 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:17.960 A bottle, it evades all of this effort and for 305 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:21.960 so long. Ever since the radio in the late eighteen hundreds, 306 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:30.200 people started trying to understand sigh esp behaviors and capabilities 307 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:35.000 as on the electromagnetic spectrum. But they would put like 308 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:40.039 mediums or telepaths into a Faraday cage, were into a 309 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:44.359 leadlined chamber, and it could still do the same. Remarkable, 310 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:49.200 they could accomplish the same things. Stephen Schwartz had this 311 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:53.519 experiment where he put a target of remote viewing down 312 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:56.400 inside a submarine and sent it down at the bottom 313 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:58.720 of the ocean, and the remote beuer was still able 314 00:17:58.759 --> 00:18:01.599 to see the symbols on the piece of paper. So 315 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:06.200 that seems to rule out electromagnetic mechanisms for all this, 316 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:10.799 but it doesn't rule out a higher range of electromagnetism 317 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:17.640 then we can so far measured detect. So the information 318 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:22.079 piece of it seems to come together with the kinetic 319 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:25.559 part of it because the higher the frequency of the field, 320 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:30.079 the higher the energy level, and when it expands or 321 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:34.359 its normal ratio towards in relation to the other seventeen 322 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:39.640 fundamental fields of reality. When it's ratio in a localized space, 323 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:42.400 and for a very short amount of time, when the 324 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:46.319 ratio spikes, it creates all these very very predictable and 325 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:49.759 duplicated a thousand times over, ten thousand times over, these 326 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:52.920 very same side effects. And I think that if it 327 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.920 were either of the monolithic explanations of consciousness that I 328 00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:59.240 said before, I don't think it would have that kind 329 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:04.240 of natural dynamism. Yeah, I don't know. 330 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:06.400 I'm going to have to I'm going to have to 331 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:10.400 have you unfortunately during this show, just reset your camera 332 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:12.359 down to three point sixty if you would, if you 333 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:14.720 remember how to do that, go to the gear and 334 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:15.400 drop it down. 335 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:15.680 All that. 336 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:18.359 So, meanwhile, I'm going to pull up a question here 337 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:21.680 from one of our longtime listeners here. After you get 338 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:23.799 that set, just let me know. But Christopher has a 339 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:27.440 question here. Have you participated This is going back to 340 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:30.799 the seance thing. Have you participated in a seance where 341 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:35.039 a medium brings out guardians or companions of the seance participants? 342 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:40.160 If so ever heard of a spirit guardian that was 343 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:43.279 a machine. He's claiming this has happened to him. 344 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:49.839 I've been to two physical medium ship seances a couple 345 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:55.400 of years ago, and I saw objects rise off the 346 00:19:55.480 --> 00:20:01.799 floor with nobody touching them levitation, macros echokinesis, and that 347 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:05.400 in these sessions there was some contact with some people's 348 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:09.200 loved ones, not my own, unfortunately, but some people did 349 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:13.319 find their find their family members coming forth and saying 350 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:16.440 some things that were very particular to those family members. 351 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:19.119 I don't know about the machine aspect of your question. 352 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:23.480 I think that everybody has guardians and loved ones and 353 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:26.440 members of their sole family that they've been with in 354 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:29.000 repeated cycles of life on Earth, and I think that 355 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:31.720 those are always with us at some level. I don't 356 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:34.920 know how to interpret the machine question. Is my audio 357 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:35.440 any better? 358 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:36.119 Any better? 359 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:36.240 Now? 360 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:38.279 It's a little better. I think that was it. The 361 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:41.799 camera is taking too much. Here's another question from someone 362 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.480 named Jim in do you observe higher radiate? 363 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:45.759 This is going back to subsquatch? 364 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:49.680 Do you reserve higher radiation levels while you're round the 365 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:53.920 subsquatch as well? Are there increasing levels as vocals and 366 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:57.359 activities get closer by radiation? 367 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:00.440 I suppose you don't mean nuclear radiation in terms of 368 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:05.079 radio waves, that sort of thing, electromagnetic levels do rise 369 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:07.680 when people are in close proximity to Sasquatch. 370 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:09.279 They both register. 371 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:12.359 On the on the meters that people bring, and they're 372 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:16.319 felt viscerally in our bodies, and they have this, as 373 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:19.519 I said, they have this very blunt effect in our instruments. 374 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:21.720 They really mess mess with things. 375 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:24.720 I think that is so fascinating. I never knew that 376 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:26.799 when it came to that. So what do you think 377 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:27.880 about edwar Casey. 378 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:30.000 I don't. 379 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:32.480 I haven't really boned up on my Casey as much 380 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:34.680 as I should. I really don't have any any smart 381 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:37.519 thoughts about that. Okay, Yea, to the extent I have 382 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:40.400 smart thoughts about anything, I don't have them about that. 383 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:42.160 Okay, that's okay. 384 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:45.119 So let's move on to I'm going to just talk 385 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:47.680 about a lot of people come to the show for UFOs, 386 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:49.400 so we're going to try to tie some things into 387 00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:54.440 UFOs here. So when a witness, do you think a 388 00:21:54.519 --> 00:22:01.440 witness sees an objective and objectively present craft or is 389 00:22:01.480 --> 00:22:07.160 it more of a conscient, conscious generated situation. 390 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:08.000 What do you think? 391 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:10.759 Because I think someone was someone I had on before, 392 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:13.000 was trying to explain to me the connection, and I 393 00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:16.960 believe he said that we create these craft and I 394 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:19.880 don't understand how things like that would work, especially in 395 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:22.920 a mass sighting where there's one hundred people seeing the 396 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:24.880 same UFO or something like that. 397 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:26.160 But I guess I. 398 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.000 Want to talk a little bit more about the connection 399 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:32.559 that there are with encounters. 400 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:34.720 How do you think that all works. 401 00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:37.160