Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host.
Speaker 1: And before I forget, I want to thank you all
Speaker 1: for being here watching live in chat and all that
Speaker 1: your questions are always great, Always glad to have you here.
Speaker 1: So tonight's guest is Christopher Noel and he holds a
Speaker 1: master's degree in philosophy from Yale very great amazing school
Speaker 1: and an MFA from Vermont College of Fine Arts, where
Speaker 1: he taught for twenty years.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: We'll be discussing a lot of different things, but UFOs
Speaker 1: and consciousness. That's kind of where I want to go
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to understand the connections and how all
Speaker 1: that works. So we'll see where it goes the conversation goes,
Speaker 1: but that's kind of what I'm interested in the most.
Speaker 1: But again, we'll see what happens during this conversation. So
Speaker 1: before we began, I'd like to take a look at
Speaker 1: what is coming up. I am honored to have the
Speaker 1: one and only in Shaq Vla coming up. I have
Speaker 1: to tell you it was great honor for my producer
Speaker 1: and I to get invited to his home for lunch
Speaker 1: last year. You can see this picture of us in
Speaker 1: San Francisco. That was a lot of fun. And also
Speaker 1: it was just an amazing conversation all day. And when
Speaker 1: Shaq turned to me and said to me, what do
Speaker 1: you think is really going on? I was amazed by
Speaker 1: that question. It was kind of surreal. But I'm really
Speaker 1: happy that he decided to reach out to me and
Speaker 1: is going to be on the show this Thursday. So
Speaker 1: that's eight pm Eastern. I don't miss that one. And
Speaker 1: speaking of Donna, she was able to meet Captain Kirk
Speaker 1: recently the other day and to get this nice picture
Speaker 1: with him William Shatner, So I thought that was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. So here we go into what is
Speaker 1: going on next Tuesday, and that's Eastern always at eight
Speaker 1: pm Eastern. My Scott, my guest is Scott Gearin. I
Speaker 1: met him out at Contact in the Desert. He's the
Speaker 1: author of Hiding in Playing Sight. It's a book about
Speaker 1: unidentified phenomena in our upper atmosphere. It's a lot of pictures,
Speaker 1: very interesting. Scott is a remarkable guy as far as
Speaker 1: a survival story and things that he's done in the military.
Speaker 1: During a training mission with an Elite Navy sealed team,
Speaker 1: another jumper crashed through his parachute canopy. This was an accident,
Speaker 1: of course, struck him in the head, knocked him completely unconscious,
Speaker 1: and he spiraled for more than three thousand feet. He
Speaker 1: hit the ground at over one hundred miles an hour,
Speaker 1: and somehow he is still here to tell the story.
Speaker 1: I think it's just an amazing thing. Maybe it helped
Speaker 1: him to be unconscious on the way down instead of
Speaker 1: tensing up or whatever. People do that to make things
Speaker 1: worse for them when they hit the ground. So next Thursday,
Speaker 1: I will be at the Muffon Symposium getting ready for that.
Speaker 1: I'm helping behind the scenes, but I did plan a
Speaker 1: show at eight pm Eastern and that'll be I'll be
Speaker 1: joined by a great Australian UFO researcher who's known for
Speaker 1: his great FOYA document research, Grant Levic. He'll be on
Speaker 1: during that time. I'll try to be in the chat
Speaker 1: room if I can. I had to pre record that
Speaker 1: with him because of the time difference and all that.
Speaker 1: So if you happen to be attending the Mufon Symposium,
Speaker 1: I will be there and I would love to say hello.
Speaker 1: I always like meeting up with the listeners of the show.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be working a panel and a few
Speaker 1: other things as a moderator, that type of thing. But
Speaker 1: you can always reach out to me if you're there,
Speaker 1: Martinette podcastufo dot com. And it's really excited to meet
Speaker 1: Alex Dietrich and you can get one day passes. There
Speaker 1: is the Saturday pass only. They have day passes only,
Speaker 1: and she's going to be speaking on Saturday. Should be
Speaker 1: really interesting to meet her. Okay, be sure to visit
Speaker 1: to visit podcastufo dot com. This week's fascinating blog by
Speaker 1: Charles Lear all his historic research that he does is
Speaker 1: a nineteen sixty four UFO and humanoid report. This has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with Scoro, even though it was the
Speaker 1: same year this SoCoRo incident. This happened on April twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: and nineteen sixty four, New York farmer Gary Wilcox reported
Speaker 1: and encountering an egg shaped craft also same as Socora,
Speaker 1: and two four foot humanoids also as Secora. But the humanoids,
Speaker 1: according to his report, claim to be from Mars, and
Speaker 1: I guess that's probably not so. Now let's welcome our
Speaker 1: guest tonight, Christopher Noel, for a conversation. As I said,
Speaker 1: about all aspects of the phenomenon, including consciousness. Christopher, welcome,
Speaker 1: Hey there, glad to be here.
Speaker 3: Martin.
Speaker 4: I've watched you for a long time and I saw you.
Speaker 3: You got a choice seat at the Was it a
Speaker 3: David Grush.
Speaker 2: One, that's right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you and I forget who you were buddying
Speaker 3: up with.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Chris, Chris, Yeah you.
Speaker 3: Got in there? Were you the last ones to get in?
Speaker 2: We were. Christ was the last one.
Speaker 1: My producer and I were the the and Chris were
Speaker 1: the last three people in the door.
Speaker 2: They almost didn't get in.
Speaker 1: If I didn't scare someone off the cut in line,
Speaker 1: we would have never gotten in.
Speaker 3: I remember that.
Speaker 4: So it's good all these three years, three years later,
Speaker 4: let's see how much progress we have made and to
Speaker 4: be able to meet you and talk with you. And
Speaker 4: I'm glad that Jacques Devla is not. It is only
Speaker 4: two days away from in the future from me, because
Speaker 4: you know what they say in showbiz, never follow animals,
Speaker 4: children or Jacques Vla. So I'm happy to be placed here.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So I have to you have your Yelle,
Speaker 1: such a great school of a friend that went there.
Speaker 1: So you have your master's in philosophy and Is this
Speaker 1: a lifelong thing that you've been thinking about this whole topic,
Speaker 1: or is this something that came on later after you
Speaker 1: slowed down and your.
Speaker 3: Tea slowed down in my dotage.
Speaker 4: Yes, Now, I'll tell you what My interest in the
Speaker 4: unseen world and the nature of consciousness and what it
Speaker 4: can do within our physical world started when I was
Speaker 4: seventeen and had a long interaction with a ghost with
Speaker 4: an older friend of mine, a woman older friend of mine,
Speaker 4: my writing mentor, and I. She lived in an old
Speaker 4: house in Vermont, just a couple of miles from me
Speaker 4: in northern Vermont, and she told me that she'd been
Speaker 4: having interesting phenomena in her house, including she and her
Speaker 4: husband would be in their bedroom at the old part
Speaker 4: of the house, and her husband would sometimes see a
Speaker 4: little light down like tinkerbell in the peter pan, but
Speaker 4: little light come over her head and just hover there
Speaker 4: while she was asleep, and then just dissipate up into
Speaker 4: the ceiling. And also there was in the same old
Speaker 4: part of the house there was a column of light,
Speaker 4: a sort of a vague column of light that you
Speaker 4: could see. It didn't have any definition to it, but
Speaker 4: when they would bring people back there and show it
Speaker 4: to them. They would all have the same impression in
Speaker 4: their mind of a sad, hunched over old old man
Speaker 4: with overalls on like a farmer. And I said, hey,
Speaker 4: let's start to contact him. I was a chipper, eager
Speaker 4: young man, and she luckily was up for it. So
Speaker 4: we had a whole five month long interchange with this
Speaker 4: personality through not just the Wiji War, but also automatic writing,
Speaker 4: and also there was some physical mediumship you could call it,
Speaker 4: that went on. Most especially we would hear like we
Speaker 4: would sit down for a session and nothing was happening
Speaker 4: in the war, wasn't moving, and we didn't get that
Speaker 4: tingling feeling. We would sit there and then all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, this bell would ring like a cow bell
Speaker 4: outside under the eves of the house, but there was
Speaker 4: no such bell there in ordinary reality. But the bell
Speaker 4: was recorded on our cassette tape recorder because the plant
Speaker 4: set of the wigit would move around so fast that
Speaker 4: we would have to call out the letters because we
Speaker 4: couldn't write them down because it was just she and I,
Speaker 4: and so we call out the letters and we would
Speaker 4: transcribe them later.
Speaker 3: And you can hear the.
Speaker 4: Bell ringing even though there was no bell, so that
Speaker 4: was an exciting aspect. And I'm not going to dominate
Speaker 4: this interview by this story because it goes on a
Speaker 4: long time. But there was one moment when I said
Speaker 4: to this entity. I said, John, I'm about to go
Speaker 4: on a family vacation for a couple of weeks. Goodbye,
Speaker 4: I'll see you later. And as I turned to leave
Speaker 4: that room, I felt a hand at the back of
Speaker 4: my head. It felt like it was about one third solid,
Speaker 4: like one third materialized, and not like a fully substantive hand.
Speaker 4: And I then knew that the invisible world could become
Speaker 4: denser and interact.
Speaker 3: I knew that in other ways too.
Speaker 4: It would sometimes be cold in the room, suddenly cold,
Speaker 4: really cold, and lots of people describe that. But when
Speaker 4: I felt that caress at the back of my head,
Speaker 4: that's stuck in my mind. Now, fifty years later, forty
Speaker 4: some years later, I'm circling back and trying to understand
Speaker 4: the nature of this unseen world that is filled with
Speaker 4: conscious agents that are by default invisible, but they can manifest.
Speaker 3: Briefly at our level of reality.
Speaker 4: And so that's why I thought of the name for
Speaker 4: my recent book, The Anatomy of thin air where I'm
Speaker 4: thinking everybody thinks that the thin air is just nothing.
Speaker 3: And if we can't see, if we can't see.
Speaker 4: A presence, it means it must be some other dimensions,
Speaker 4: like separate away from some ethereal beyond that doesn't have
Speaker 4: anything in common really with our world. And so I'm
Speaker 4: trying to make out trying to work up a model
Speaker 4: of reality that includes consciousness as a physical as a
Speaker 4: matter and energy alongside all the other kinds of matter
Speaker 4: and energy, so that it's not either the materialist view
Speaker 4: where consciousness just derives from the circuitry of our brains
Speaker 4: the reductionist materialist view, nor is it full idealism, where
Speaker 4: consciousness is the fundamental the only reality out of which
Speaker 4: our illusion of the material world is derived. But instead
Speaker 4: so those are two like monolithic. And I think that
Speaker 4: it's more effective because it answers certain questions about the
Speaker 4: phenomenology of paranormal experience that we'll get to soon. It
Speaker 4: answers questions about that it kind of gets traction on
Speaker 4: these experiences to have consciousness as a high frequency level,
Speaker 4: high frequency, high energy layer of reality that is normally
Speaker 4: at a default state, just like I'm sorry there's so
Speaker 4: much to tell you and tell our listeners. But you
Speaker 4: know about quantum fields and how we used to be
Speaker 4: told that the building blocks of reality were elementary particles.
Speaker 4: There's all these elementary particles we used to but now
Speaker 4: it's increasingly being demonstrated and accepted as a consensus within
Speaker 4: physics and cosmology that particles aren't a baseline reality.
Speaker 3: They are a product of these.
Speaker 4: Underlying fields, these fields of pure potential that give rise
Speaker 4: to particles. And at the most streamlined, there are seventeen
Speaker 4: particles out of which all of physical.
Speaker 3: Reality is formed.
Speaker 4: And so there are seventeen of these fields, quantum fields.
Speaker 4: And the thing about them is that they're everywhere in
Speaker 4: the universe, all over there between my two fingers, all
Speaker 4: seventeen of them, and they're in Alva centuri and beyond
Speaker 4: where the James Web can see, and every cubic millimeter
Speaker 4: is filled with all seventeen of these fields. And if
Speaker 4: you don't believe me, you can go look it up
Speaker 4: at you guys out there. And I'm proposing that consciousness
Speaker 4: is not the brain, and it's not everything, but it's
Speaker 4: another one of these fields. I'm proposing it as an
Speaker 4: eighteenth field, and not just out of fanciful imagination, but
Speaker 4: because it actually seems to answer some questions.
Speaker 3: So that's my opening spiel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, The one part I often say, or I've often
Speaker 1: felt the more I've looked at this UFO topic, for one,
Speaker 1: that i feel like I almost know less than I
Speaker 1: did when I started in some ways. But when it
Speaker 1: comes to the consciousness, I know that it's a really
Speaker 1: hard thing to define, and I'm not really sure if
Speaker 1: we really can define it one hundred percent. I have
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about that everybody.
Speaker 4: Increasingly, people are saying the consciousness aspect or element of
Speaker 4: this thing is bigger than we realize, but nobody really
Speaker 4: defines it. So I'm at least trying. Probably almost everybody
Speaker 4: who attempts this is wrong, almost definitely, But I'm throwing
Speaker 4: the spaghetti at the wall and I'm trying to understand.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to assemble a viewpoint that to contribute to
Speaker 4: the conversation as a possibility and just a proposal. The
Speaker 4: consciousness is as I'm describing, and that when we have
Speaker 4: these when we have paranormal experiences, whether it's a UFO
Speaker 4: coming down, a spirit manifesting itself in a seance or
Speaker 4: a haunted house, or an encounter with a cryptid, especially
Speaker 4: in my case sasquatch, because that's what I've spent many
Speaker 4: years of my life studying that species. There are these
Speaker 4: commonalities of the phenomenology of that experience. The atmosphere gets
Speaker 4: really thick, and static electricity seems to permeate the air.
Speaker 3: People's hair stands.
Speaker 4: Up on their arms and their necks, and even before
Speaker 4: they know that they're in some sort of encounter, the
Speaker 4: barometric pressure suddenly will plummet. People who are ghost hunters
Speaker 4: and actually have barometers, they measure this and it plummets.
Speaker 4: The temperature plummets, gets cold, the pressure if you even
Speaker 4: if you don't have a barometer, you can feel the
Speaker 4: pressure change by your ear drums popping, or getting a
Speaker 4: headache like your head is in a vice, similar to
Speaker 4: altitude sickness, because at the top of a mountain the
Speaker 4: pressure is lower. And then also we have these electromagnetic
Speaker 4: side effects that are very familiar to all of us.
Speaker 4: The cars suddenly stop, our phones get all messed up,
Speaker 4: batteries get drained. This happens in sasquatch research all the time,
Speaker 4: and many who are around to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've only heard that when it came to UFO encounters,
Speaker 1: not subsquatch.
Speaker 3: That's where I come.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot more of applicability
Speaker 4: to these same aspects that people come up against. It's
Speaker 4: called in sasquatch's field research. When we're out at night
Speaker 4: and we're making sounds to try to elicit a response
Speaker 4: from them. If they come close, we'll have what's called
Speaker 4: the Bigfoot curse. Suddenly our cameras will malfunction, our batteries
Speaker 4: will drain, will feel cold, And there's a thing called
Speaker 4: being zapped, which is an electromagnetic pulse or wave that
Speaker 4: hits you and you feel most of the time you feel.
Speaker 3: Dread, nausea.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you go down to your knees because you feel dizzy, disoriented.
Speaker 4: People have missing time in relation to sasquatch encounters. This
Speaker 4: is why I think that the sasquat nature is dominated
Speaker 4: by consciousness more so than our own nature.
Speaker 3: And we can get into that if you want.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's very similar to UFO, the sort of
Speaker 4: landscape of UFO.
Speaker 3: Encounters, and similar to.
Speaker 4: Any kind of disembody, a conscious agent across the board,
Speaker 4: across the domains of the high strangeness seems to cause
Speaker 4: these same effects when it manifests down here. And that's
Speaker 4: why I think that it makes sense to think of
Speaker 4: consciousness as a physical force, a physical field, because if
Speaker 4: it were just you know, for so long, ever since
Speaker 4: Descartes where he separated physical stuff substance from mental substance,
Speaker 4: he made that very clear divide, and never the twain
Speaker 4: shall meet. Philosophers and parapsychologists who have been trying to
Speaker 4: figure out how can this immaterial substance really affect the
Speaker 4: material world. And I think that it's impossible for that
Speaker 4: paradigm to really be fruitful, because it's really only if
Speaker 4: consciousness is part of this one system that it can
Speaker 4: interact with elements within that system and cause friction and
Speaker 4: tension and dynamics within that system that can give rise
Speaker 4: to these atmospheric and environmental and electromagnetic thermodynamic side effects.
Speaker 4: And also I think that it makes sense to think
Speaker 4: of consciousness as the highest frequency field in nature because
Speaker 4: of such truth such characteristics as the ability to remotely
Speaker 4: access information. The higher the frequency of a field, the
Speaker 4: more information that can carry. And so if consciousness is
Speaker 4: higher than we can even measure so far because science
Speaker 4: has never succeeded in capturing consciousness.
Speaker 3: Like lightning in.
Speaker 4: A bottle, it evades all of this effort and for
Speaker 4: so long. Ever since the radio in the late eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 4: people started trying to understand sigh esp behaviors and capabilities
Speaker 4: as on the electromagnetic spectrum. But they would put like
Speaker 4: mediums or telepaths into a Faraday cage, were into a
Speaker 4: leadlined chamber, and it could still do the same. Remarkable,
Speaker 4: they could accomplish the same things. Stephen Schwartz had this
Speaker 4: experiment where he put a target of remote viewing down
Speaker 4: inside a submarine and sent it down at the bottom
Speaker 4: of the ocean, and the remote beuer was still able
Speaker 4: to see the symbols on the piece of paper. So
Speaker 4: that seems to rule out electromagnetic mechanisms for all this,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't rule out a higher range of electromagnetism
Speaker 4: then we can so far measured detect. So the information
Speaker 4: piece of it seems to come together with the kinetic
Speaker 4: part of it because the higher the frequency of the field,
Speaker 4: the higher the energy level, and when it expands or
Speaker 4: its normal ratio towards in relation to the other seventeen
Speaker 4: fundamental fields of reality. When it's ratio in a localized space,
Speaker 4: and for a very short amount of time, when the
Speaker 4: ratio spikes, it creates all these very very predictable and
Speaker 4: duplicated a thousand times over, ten thousand times over, these
Speaker 4: very same side effects. And I think that if it
Speaker 4: were either of the monolithic explanations of consciousness that I
Speaker 4: said before, I don't think it would have that kind
Speaker 4: of natural dynamism. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to I'm going to have to
Speaker 1: have you unfortunately during this show, just reset your camera
Speaker 1: down to three point sixty if you would, if you
Speaker 1: remember how to do that, go to the gear and
Speaker 1: drop it down.
Speaker 2: All that.
Speaker 1: So, meanwhile, I'm going to pull up a question here
Speaker 1: from one of our longtime listeners here. After you get
Speaker 1: that set, just let me know. But Christopher has a
Speaker 1: question here. Have you participated This is going back to
Speaker 1: the seance thing. Have you participated in a seance where
Speaker 1: a medium brings out guardians or companions of the seance participants?
Speaker 1: If so ever heard of a spirit guardian that was
Speaker 1: a machine. He's claiming this has happened to him.
Speaker 4: I've been to two physical medium ship seances a couple
Speaker 4: of years ago, and I saw objects rise off the
Speaker 4: floor with nobody touching them levitation, macros echokinesis, and that
Speaker 4: in these sessions there was some contact with some people's
Speaker 4: loved ones, not my own, unfortunately, but some people did
Speaker 4: find their find their family members coming forth and saying
Speaker 4: some things that were very particular to those family members.
Speaker 4: I don't know about the machine aspect of your question.
Speaker 4: I think that everybody has guardians and loved ones and
Speaker 4: members of their sole family that they've been with in
Speaker 4: repeated cycles of life on Earth, and I think that
Speaker 4: those are always with us at some level. I don't
Speaker 4: know how to interpret the machine question. Is my audio
Speaker 4: any better?
Speaker 3: Any better?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: It's a little better. I think that was it. The
Speaker 1: camera is taking too much. Here's another question from someone
Speaker 1: named Jim in do you observe higher radiate?
Speaker 2: This is going back to subsquatch?
Speaker 1: Do you reserve higher radiation levels while you're round the
Speaker 1: subsquatch as well? Are there increasing levels as vocals and
Speaker 1: activities get closer by radiation?
Speaker 4: I suppose you don't mean nuclear radiation in terms of
Speaker 4: radio waves, that sort of thing, electromagnetic levels do rise
Speaker 4: when people are in close proximity to Sasquatch.
Speaker 3: They both register.
Speaker 4: On the on the meters that people bring, and they're
Speaker 4: felt viscerally in our bodies, and they have this, as
Speaker 4: I said, they have this very blunt effect in our instruments.
Speaker 4: They really mess mess with things.
Speaker 1: I think that is so fascinating. I never knew that
Speaker 1: when it came to that. So what do you think
Speaker 1: about edwar Casey.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I haven't really boned up on my Casey as much
Speaker 4: as I should. I really don't have any any smart
Speaker 4: thoughts about that. Okay, Yea, to the extent I have
Speaker 4: smart thoughts about anything, I don't have them about that.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's okay.
Speaker 1: So let's move on to I'm going to just talk
Speaker 1: about a lot of people come to the show for UFOs,
Speaker 1: so we're going to try to tie some things into
Speaker 1: UFOs here. So when a witness, do you think a
Speaker 1: witness sees an objective and objectively present craft or is
Speaker 1: it more of a conscient, conscious generated situation.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 1: Because I think someone was someone I had on before,
Speaker 1: was trying to explain to me the connection, and I
Speaker 1: believe he said that we create these craft and I
Speaker 1: don't understand how things like that would work, especially in
Speaker 1: a mass sighting where there's one hundred people seeing the
Speaker 1: same UFO or something like that.
Speaker 2: But I guess I.
Speaker 1: Want to talk a little bit more about the connection
Speaker 1: that there are with encounters.
Speaker 2: How do you think that all works.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's one thing or the other.
Speaker 4: I think that as Jacques Belt, my colleague on this
Speaker 4: show My close Friend for Thursday, as he is made
Speaker 4: abundantly obvious, there are many cases in which one person
Speaker 4: will see one manifestation of the visitor and another person
Speaker 4: won't see it at all or see it differently. So
Speaker 4: I think that it's very clear that they can affect
Speaker 4: our perception. But it's also clear that sometimes there are
Speaker 4: sightings everybody sees the same darn thing. And there are photographs,
Speaker 4: very many photographs, especially in the last couple of years.
Speaker 4: Ever since the Bugis Sphere came on the scene, there
Speaker 4: have been hundreds, maybe a many dozens, many scores of
Speaker 4: metallic spheres that have been videoed all around the world,
Speaker 4: and they're just floating up there, moving around, just like
Speaker 4: the Buga sphere did.
Speaker 3: And that brings me.
Speaker 4: To an issue I'd like to just mention briefly, which
Speaker 4: is that my proposal about consciousness includes the hypothesis or
Speaker 4: the hunch that anti gravity anti gravity capabilities of these
Speaker 4: craft are not to be explained by materialist means. I
Speaker 4: don't think that. I think that all these engineers who
Speaker 4: for years have been trying to reverse engineer these craft,
Speaker 4: you hear a whole spectrum of rumors about how much
Speaker 4: progress that has made. And some people think that we've
Speaker 4: done it and we're flying them around right now, and
Speaker 4: some people say we've made very little progress. Gary Nolan
Speaker 4: says that we're on the street. He says we're on
Speaker 4: the street. Is that we don't really know how these
Speaker 4: things fly. There's no engine in them, there's no propulsion
Speaker 4: in them, many of them have no heat signature, many
Speaker 4: of them are cold. And the proposal, the most popular
Speaker 4: proposal among the intelligentsia in the science is who are
Speaker 4: interested in this kind of thing, is that there's some
Speaker 4: sort of warp drive in our Cubier warp drive in
Speaker 4: which space time itself is bent and forced into an
Speaker 4: envelope so that the craft can be in its own
Speaker 4: separate reality, and therefore it's not defying gravity in our atmosphere,
Speaker 4: but is just obeying the laws within that bubble that
Speaker 4: it creates by bending. But the problem with that is
Speaker 4: that if you actually force space time itself. Think of
Speaker 4: that space time itself, which is what the universe is
Speaker 4: made of. If you force that to comply with a
Speaker 4: certain design feature like this bubble, you are going to
Speaker 4: have to expend You hear all sorts of estimates, but
Speaker 4: like enough energy that the moon itself would contain that
Speaker 4: much energy in order to bend space time. And not
Speaker 4: only that, and that would even if you had that
Speaker 4: much energy at your disposal, the heat that would produce
Speaker 4: would just be a blinding sun in the sky, where the.
Speaker 1: Law of thermodynamics somehow it seems like doesn't apply to
Speaker 1: or encountering, like you said, no heat signature.
Speaker 4: A lot of them, and not only that, many of
Speaker 4: them are ice cold. And the documentary a tear in
Speaker 4: the sky the sky what's his name? I forget, but
Speaker 4: he used thermal cameras to document some of these, and
Speaker 4: he said that one looks like it's eighty eighty degrees
Speaker 4: below zero fahrenheit. It's the same one who goes to
Speaker 4: skin Skinwalker Ranch isn't he.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been involved in that.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, that guy, he's a good guy. But
Speaker 4: he sees them ice cold.
Speaker 3: Many people find them cold or neutral or hot.
Speaker 4: But it goes all over the spectrum. And if it
Speaker 4: was something as straightforward as vending space time either there
Speaker 4: would be no way to do it because the heat
Speaker 4: would be so obvious that these craft wouldn't be able
Speaker 4: to land and interact with the ground and just be
Speaker 4: burning up. Or I've researched this, and there are ways
Speaker 4: theoretical ways that you can screen out or recycle that
Speaker 4: heat interiorly within the bubble, but those would create such
Speaker 4: a distort, visual distortion that we wouldn't even be able
Speaker 4: to see these craft like we do. These these metallic
Speaker 4: spheres look just crystal clear. They're up there. They're a
Speaker 4: metal sphere. And when the Buga sphere came down, it
Speaker 4: was exactly the same as but people two different people
Speaker 4: filmed in the sky. I don't know if you're pro
Speaker 4: or anti BOGA.
Speaker 3: We could agree to disagree if you're all, yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 1: Everyone's on one side of the thing or the other
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. But yeah, I think there is
Speaker 1: a problem with the filming or something that there's now
Speaker 1: as far as the yeosphere is going around, I do
Speaker 1: think there is something to that. But the Boga sphere,
Speaker 1: I know that there's I don't know. I'm going to
Speaker 1: say something that's probably not popular out there, but when
Speaker 1: Hymie's involved, you have to really look at things.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into my feelings about it,
Speaker 1: but you just have to question when he's involved with something.
Speaker 3: But he was only involved.
Speaker 4: Secondarily, he was only brought in after the fact, so
Speaker 4: he didn't make up the fact involved. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 4: we can disagree. I think that it's genuine, and I
Speaker 4: also think that the I'm going to say it, I
Speaker 4: also think that the Aska mummies are genuine.
Speaker 3: That's gonna say.
Speaker 1: Those were composed of a lot of them were composed
Speaker 1: of animal bones. I don't know about all of them,
Speaker 1: but there were there was a mixture of animal bones
Speaker 1: that they've done.
Speaker 2: Is that open for research?
Speaker 1: I guess that's the way to really find out if
Speaker 1: something is open to research and papers and things like that,
Speaker 1: If someone's really going to open it up for that,
Speaker 1: then answers the truth will be told eventually, yeah, we don't.
Speaker 4: Know, but the ones that were composed of different animal
Speaker 4: bones were the ones that were made after the first
Speaker 4: genuine ones came out. And then we're people trying to
Speaker 4: make a buck off of that and the sensationalism of it.
Speaker 4: And they made these little dolls and then dressed them
Speaker 4: up and little clothes, and there are all sorts. There
Speaker 4: are all sorts of scientists from different universities in America
Speaker 4: and Europe who are studying these things, and we just
Speaker 4: have to wait and see. But it's not really important
Speaker 4: to settle that right now. But anyway, I'm just saying
Speaker 4: that I don't think anything like the warp drive could
Speaker 4: be the answer. I think that is barking up the
Speaker 4: wrong tree, the tree of materialism.
Speaker 3: And I propose that there's follow me on this.
Speaker 4: There's a small m materialism, which is the legacy materialism
Speaker 4: we're used to, where the only what's real is only
Speaker 4: what we can measure and perceive, not what it's invisible,
Speaker 4: and beyond measurement and perception, that's a small end materialism.
Speaker 4: I propose a capital ed materialism that includes this consciousness level,
Speaker 4: which is also physical and obeys laws of physics, like
Speaker 4: I was talking about before, with these interactions that occur,
Speaker 4: I think that the anti gravity behavior and the maneuvers
Speaker 4: that these craft engage in is to be more fruitfully
Speaker 4: addressed with its capital M materialism, which includes consciousness. And
Speaker 4: I think that there there is a whole long history
Speaker 4: of macro p K where the mind, the consciousness is
Speaker 4: able in some gifted individuals, is able to be consciouness,
Speaker 4: is able to influence physical objects in order to make
Speaker 4: them move without muscular application.
Speaker 3: There are I have.
Speaker 1: A video on my type of thing you're saying or.
Speaker 4: Yeah, telekinesis and psychokinesias are synonyms, so yeah, the same thing.
Speaker 4: And I have a video on my YouTube channel. My
Speaker 4: channel is Impossible Visits and the video is called anti
Speaker 4: gravity without Technology. And I think that consciousness in humans
Speaker 4: has been shown to be able to in a minor
Speaker 4: way to affect physical objects, but we're not as proficient
Speaker 4: psychically as many other intelligences conscious agents that sort of
Speaker 4: populate the unseen world. And I think that if we
Speaker 4: can do that a little bit, that's the kind of
Speaker 4: a proof of concept. And I think that the alien consciousness,
Speaker 4: whoever they are, whoever they hail from the alien consciousness
Speaker 4: is able to mount a whole lot more of this influence,
Speaker 4: this power to affect the physical world.
Speaker 3: And I think that.
Speaker 4: UAPs are able to defy gravity and move the way
Speaker 4: that they do through consciousness.
Speaker 3: Mostly.
Speaker 4: I think there's a technological bridge that goes on. And
Speaker 4: I think that some of these craft have a kind
Speaker 4: of a mind meld with their pilots where the pilots
Speaker 4: are plugged in and the craft is an organ part
Speaker 4: of the pilots, and they're able to do this together,
Speaker 4: but not through any exhaust system. Just like when certain
Speaker 4: mediums like the one I saw can allow objects to
Speaker 4: float in the sky. There's no technology in the air
Speaker 4: up towards the ceiling, there's no technology, there's no exhaust system,
Speaker 4: there's no space time warping, no warp drive going on.
Speaker 4: Is simply consciousness imbuing the object with the force that
Speaker 4: changes its nature and makes it less than less than way,
Speaker 4: less than air, lighter than air. And I think that
Speaker 4: the little bit that I saw, and Leslie Kane is
Speaker 4: also testified to seeing objects in seances float in the
Speaker 4: air with nobody touching them, and she is an unimpeachably
Speaker 4: level headed journalistic reporter, and she has attended this, this
Speaker 4: seance in England for years, and she has seen this
Speaker 4: with her own eyes, and she asks on the Chris
Speaker 4: Lados Joe, actually, she asks, if you can sit in
Speaker 4: a room and see objects rise into the air with
Speaker 4: nobody touching them and move around through the air, there
Speaker 4: must be she says, there must be a physics to it,
Speaker 4: a science to it. Why aren't more scientists interested in this?
Speaker 4: This is actually happening. Where's that curiosity? And I think
Speaker 4: that whatever it is that's going on there, the same
Speaker 4: principle is going to eventually. I think I have a
Speaker 4: supposition that's going to be applied to the question of
Speaker 4: UAPs and their their behavior.
Speaker 1: Now do you think these whatever they are, are purposeful?
Speaker 1: And if so, would they be communications of some kind?
Speaker 1: And what type of interacting.
Speaker 4: I have another book called Homegrown Monsters, in which I
Speaker 4: argue that these creatures can't really be from a foreign
Speaker 4: planet because for many reasons. I go through a whole
Speaker 4: bunch of aspects of the natural history of our planet
Speaker 4: that are so unlikely, and so many twists and turns
Speaker 4: of the evolutionary story on her just to bring about
Speaker 4: the insect species that we see much less, also the
Speaker 4: reptile species much less, also the.
Speaker 3: Humanoid, the primate species.
Speaker 4: The very fact that any one of those species has
Speaker 4: reached the modern times looking having the body plan that
Speaker 4: it does is so deeply unlikely. I can go through
Speaker 4: some reasons that speak to me anyway, that are compelling
Speaker 4: to me that the.
Speaker 3: Idea that it could parallel evolve.
Speaker 4: On a whole other planet, or some people see multiple planets,
Speaker 4: and yet the description of these aliens almost always fall
Speaker 4: into reptilian, insectile, or humanoid, And I just.
Speaker 3: Don't think it's likely that it's going to be.
Speaker 4: For the first three billion years of life on Earth,
Speaker 4: there was just single celled microbe, and it just through
Speaker 4: just a fluke, it happened that some of these microbes
Speaker 4: began to ingest other smaller, single cell organisms, and instead
Speaker 4: of digesting them, these became the mitochondria that allowed for
Speaker 4: further development. After three billion years, think of that, that
Speaker 4: allowed for the development that move that moved the situation
Speaker 4: to multicelled organisms, and then another billion years of just
Speaker 4: very simple multi cell organisms and then everything exploded. But
Speaker 4: even after that, all sorts of contingencies had to take
Speaker 4: place in order to get us where we are today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's thousands and thousands of things that had to
Speaker 1: fall into place. It's amazing you can just say just
Speaker 1: one thing alone. If I know this sounds silly, but
Speaker 1: if ice didn't float.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't be here.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds but if I didn't float, we
Speaker 1: wouldn't be here. I've looked into things like this, all
Speaker 1: these little simple because all the everything below it would
Speaker 1: die if it went down.
Speaker 3: Just get crushed underneath and no light could get through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way speaking about But there's many things.
Speaker 2: There's the moon helps us here.
Speaker 1: If we didn't have the moon, a lot of things
Speaker 1: would be the way they are a certain amount of gravity,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I've looked and thought often on
Speaker 1: different planets. How do these sinks evolve with say two
Speaker 1: suns or sometimes that there's multiple sons in a system.
Speaker 1: How does all the different poles of the gravity and
Speaker 1: all these things.
Speaker 2: But you're right, it's.
Speaker 1: Really we are a miracle that we're here. But then
Speaker 1: there's also the idea of panspermia. You know, that's another thought.
Speaker 4: Why life were seated here from some original source, It
Speaker 4: was seated here and elsewhere, it would have been seated
Speaker 4: as these original single celled organisms, because that's the beginning
Speaker 4: of life. So we would still be left with the
Speaker 4: same questions of evolution and unlikely thousands and thousands of
Speaker 4: unlikely twists and turns. Speaking of ice, though, Martin, there
Speaker 4: were two eras in our history where the Earth was
Speaker 4: completely encased in ice.
Speaker 3: You might remember this.
Speaker 4: It's called snowball Earth. And they lasted millions of years.
Speaker 4: And but for the fact that we had just enough
Speaker 4: geothermal activity to eventually melt the ice sheets and let
Speaker 4: them pull back, so that the creatures there's little These
Speaker 4: tiny creatures that managed to survive under the ice, just
Speaker 4: like some do still today under Antarctica.
Speaker 3: They could.
Speaker 4: These were the cyanobacteria, and they managed to proliferate. And
Speaker 4: what did they give off carbon oxygen they breathe. They
Speaker 4: breathed carbon dioxa and they give off oxygen. And the
Speaker 4: more that they proliferated, the more oxygen levels rose on
Speaker 4: our planet, which in turn allowed creatures that breathe oxygen
Speaker 4: to flourish, and the eventual oxygen level rose until it
Speaker 4: was twenty one percent that we have today. If it
Speaker 4: were less than fourteen percent. We could never start fires,
Speaker 4: and fire is the basis of technology. Think of how
Speaker 4: technology could have occurred without the smelting of metal and
Speaker 4: what that led to. We'd have to make technology with
Speaker 4: rocks and wood and grass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and this, like a million things were such
Speaker 1: a chance.
Speaker 4: If oxygen levels were above twenty eight percent, if you
Speaker 4: lit a fire, you'd never be able to extinguish it. It
Speaker 4: would just eat up the entire world because there'd be
Speaker 4: too much oxygen. And you know, and it just so
Speaker 4: happens that a creature, one creature on Earth, with our
Speaker 4: brain in our hands, was able to make use of
Speaker 4: fire in order to eventually, after another millions of years,
Speaker 4: to create technology. Good luck taming fire if you're an
Speaker 4: ant colony, or smelting smelting metal if you're an octopus,
Speaker 4: had to be just this body plan and this brain
Speaker 4: plan of ours in order to do that. There's so much.
Speaker 4: One more and then I'll shut up. About the mammals.
Speaker 4: Ninety five percent of mammals are placental. They have placenta.
Speaker 4: The other five percent is like platypuses and marsupials. But
Speaker 4: the placenta itself is developed and sustained itself as a crucial,
Speaker 4: in fact, an indispensable organ of mammals only thanks to
Speaker 4: and this was discovered not long ago, and people can
Speaker 4: go look this up. Two retroviruses, a kind of virus
Speaker 4: that was engulfed in and became endogenous to our genome.
Speaker 4: There's lots of these old viruses that are in our
Speaker 4: genome and most of which we don't know what they're either,
Speaker 4: they have no purpose, so we haven't found it yet.
Speaker 4: But we did find the purpose of two of these.
Speaker 4: One is called syncotin, which is responsible for creating the
Speaker 4: layer of cells between the placenta and the uterine wall,
Speaker 4: so that there's this filter of a cell lining that.
Speaker 3: Allows the blood to flow back and forth.
Speaker 4: And the other one is called suppressin which, as you
Speaker 4: can tell from the name, suppresses the fusion action of
Speaker 4: those cells so that it doesn't fuse too hard to
Speaker 4: the uterine wall that we wouldn't be able to expel
Speaker 4: it at birth. These two have to be in the
Speaker 4: perfect balance so that the placenta can serve a function
Speaker 4: that it does. And that's just one of tens of
Speaker 4: thousands of things. And if not for that these two viruses,
Speaker 4: there would be no mammals, think of that. And yet
Speaker 4: we're supposed to believe that on these foreign planets, all
Speaker 4: these same exact parallel species that we have here developed
Speaker 4: and found a way to travel here. So in in
Speaker 4: counterpart my theory, I said, I was going to shut up,
Speaker 4: But apparently my theory is that these alien the aliens,
Speaker 4: broadly speaking, are consciousness, just like we're primarily consciousness, and
Speaker 4: when we die, we leave the body and we go
Speaker 4: to where we go, back to source.
Speaker 3: Whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 4: But I think that the aliens are primary, also primarily consciousness,
Speaker 4: and that they manifest on Earth by exploiting the raw
Speaker 4: materials of our zoology, of the history of life on
Speaker 4: this planet. I think that, however they do it, they
Speaker 4: managed to form these creatures like the nascamummies, which if
Speaker 4: they're genuine, are hybrids of different of reptiles. They are
Speaker 4: reptilian features, they're bird like features, and not modern birds
Speaker 4: that are and reptiles put together, but a unified body
Speaker 4: that has these different features and has the same genetic
Speaker 4: profile in the head and the bones and the feet
Speaker 4: and all over. So I think that they somehow are
Speaker 4: able to capitalize on the sort of menu of the
Speaker 4: organic life on our planet. And not only that, but
Speaker 4: I think they can forge UAP craft out of the
Speaker 4: minerals on our planet. I think that's why we so
Speaker 4: often see them flying into volcanoes. These volcanoes are an
Speaker 4: open source for minerals such as iron and magnesium, which
Speaker 4: are often found to be in the debris UAP debris.
Speaker 3: I think they use these.
Speaker 4: Don't ask me exactly how this happens, because nobody knows
Speaker 4: if it's even the case. But they they're able to
Speaker 4: use these and forge these these objects and again through
Speaker 4: consciousness fly them in the sky. I know that's a
Speaker 4: bridge too far from most people. In the ancient days,
Speaker 4: people would see metallic objects in the sky as well,
Speaker 4: and it led to myths like vulcan in the volcano
Speaker 4: who would make these chariots in the sky.
Speaker 3: It goes on anyway. I will shut up now.
Speaker 1: I got to tell you so this is this is
Speaker 1: really interesting to me in a lot of ways, because,
Speaker 1: for one thing, are you talking about volcanoes and all that?
Speaker 1: And I was in Shasta at Mount Shasta a few
Speaker 1: years ago talking to a lot of people out there
Speaker 1: was very interesting what people are seeing there but also
Speaker 1: it also reminds me of something that Louel Azondo had said,
Speaker 1: and I tried to get Tim to elaborate on it,
Speaker 1: but he said something, what if we find out that
Speaker 1: there's something that's been here all along and we're not
Speaker 1: the top of the food chain here mental.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I remember him saying that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I try to get him to basically elaborate
Speaker 1: on that, and maybe next.
Speaker 2: We likes to have him.
Speaker 3: He likes to drop these little freaky yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever happened to the twenty eight minute video that
Speaker 1: was supposed to come out? That's something which one was
Speaker 1: that he had mentioned that there's a twenty eight minute
Speaker 1: video that he saw that he thinks is going to
Speaker 1: be released. Maybe that will with all the drops that
Speaker 1: they're doing, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can only hope.
Speaker 4: So yeah, but yeah, And I think that a lot
Speaker 4: of people think that they're alien bases in mountains or
Speaker 4: under the sea, and that could very well be. But
Speaker 4: if my hunch is correct, and again it's unlikely that
Speaker 4: any of our hunches are correct, but if my mine is,
Speaker 4: then I don't think they stick around that line. I
Speaker 4: think that's why they're only briefly viewed in the sky.
Speaker 4: I think that it takes energy, just like there's physical
Speaker 4: energy involved, just like when when the the paranormal experiences
Speaker 4: we were going over before, they expend energy and have
Speaker 4: an equal and opposite reaction from the atmosphere when they manifest.
Speaker 3: And I think that it takes.
Speaker 4: Energy to form these these these craft I think it
Speaker 4: takes energy for these beings to be solid in our
Speaker 4: vibrational scheme down here. I think that's why we don't
Speaker 4: see them for very long. I think they're boomerang back
Speaker 4: and forth between their default state of invisibility of pure
Speaker 4: consciousness and physical state here. And I think that the
Speaker 4: reason that we see them, if I'm right, then the
Speaker 4: reason perhaps is why we see them coming and going
Speaker 4: from and to the ocean so much, is that there
Speaker 4: are again lots of minerals down there that they can exploit.
Speaker 4: And it's easier down there because there are extremely deep
Speaker 4: what do you call trenches that are very close to
Speaker 4: down toward the crust of the earth, just like volcanoes are.
Speaker 4: And I think those are available, ready resources for them.
Speaker 4: And I think they're quick change artists more than real
Speaker 4: estate developers. I don't think there'll be any reason for
Speaker 4: them to actually construct these permanent cities or bases or
Speaker 4: compounds somewhere. I think that they don't need to. I
Speaker 4: think that they vanish and they reappear, and they vanish
Speaker 4: and they reappear.
Speaker 1: So in the line of is that the thermodynamics again
Speaker 1: about energy cannot be created or destroyed, but it can change.
Speaker 2: So you're thinking this.
Speaker 1: Is a changing of energy, is what they're Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think they're They're reverting their amassing energy, and in
Speaker 4: some cases they have to pull it from the ambient air.
Speaker 3: Which is why it gets cold.
Speaker 4: They pull thermal energy and they pull electronic electromagnetic energy,
Speaker 4: both of which give rise to these side effects that
Speaker 4: we talked about, and they need to do that in
Speaker 4: order to change their state. In thermodynamics, any anytime a
Speaker 4: system changes its state, it releases or or what's the
Speaker 4: word I'm looking for. Either it releases or it needs
Speaker 4: an energy to accomplish the transformation. So that's what's happening.
Speaker 4: And I ran out of my train of thought.
Speaker 2: Oh that's okay.
Speaker 1: So as far as the OS factor, I know, I
Speaker 1: think I saw something when you were Was it you that.
Speaker 2: Was talking about that? What is?
Speaker 1: Can you explain what that that is I've just skip
Speaker 1: my mind right now, I've heard of it talked about boom.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all the same, the same kind kinds of
Speaker 4: effects that we've been mentioning, all all together under the
Speaker 4: umbrella of a term called the oz factor, which is
Speaker 4: just like in a movie, We're not in Kansas anymore,
Speaker 4: reality seems different all of a suddenly we're.
Speaker 3: Out in the woods. Yeah, whatever happens.
Speaker 4: That's high strangeness across these different domains of the paranormal.
Speaker 4: That will people describe feeling like they're underneath a bell
Speaker 4: jar and the air is thick. Static electricity is formed
Speaker 4: by ionization, which is again this energy hungry transformation that
Speaker 4: takes place when a conscious agent manifests.
Speaker 3: It strips the atoms in.
Speaker 4: The air of their ion, of their ions, of their electrons,
Speaker 4: and the atoms left over our ions charged ions. Whereas
Speaker 4: used to be neutral, now it's charged, and the free
Speaker 4: floating electrons are also charged, and it becomes this thick cloud.
Speaker 4: People feel like they're walking through water or when all
Speaker 4: the sounds of the forest will die away instantly. That
Speaker 4: happens in sasquatch encounters all the time. And I know
Speaker 4: what happens in the p and alien encounters too, and
Speaker 4: in spiritual encounters. And that's because number one, the birds
Speaker 4: and the insects are also suddenly trapped in this changed
Speaker 4: atmosphere and they're arrested like we are when we're in
Speaker 4: It was just like everything seems thick and you can't
Speaker 4: act normal normally.
Speaker 3: And also, yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but that
Speaker 1: you're just bringing me back to a case where this
Speaker 1: guy was talking about being in the keys in a
Speaker 1: swamp area in Florida and at a base and where
Speaker 1: all the guard dogs were and everything all of a
Speaker 1: sudden became quiet. But not only that, he said the
Speaker 1: place was always roaring with insects, and all the insects.
Speaker 2: Became completely quiet. It's so bared.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that people are talking about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, it's and that's why I want to attribute
Speaker 4: it correctly. Jenny Randalls is a British author who wrote
Speaker 4: about who first coined the term oz factor, and I, yeah,
Speaker 4: I use a lot of quotations for her in my book,
Speaker 4: so I'm grateful to her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's extremely.
Speaker 4: Common across these the whole range of paranormal experiences, and
Speaker 4: I think again that it's consciousness interplaying with the ordinary
Speaker 4: reality that there's usually as I said, these of a black,
Speaker 4: black helicopter coming. You probably can't hear it, but it's
Speaker 4: right above my anyway.
Speaker 2: This would be the first time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I actually did have. I'm telling you a
Speaker 1: true story. Ray Stanford was on the show Researcher of
Speaker 1: the Secor incident and he claimed there was a black
Speaker 1: helicopter when he was on the show over his property.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, yeah, yeah, I don't really think it's gone
Speaker 4: away now, but I.
Speaker 1: Guess his wife went out and Sheila went out and anyway,
Speaker 1: that was the report. He called me right back and
Speaker 1: he thought was taking information from his computer.
Speaker 3: Oh, it could very well be. Oh, I'm sure they
Speaker 3: can do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what was so this I forget what exactly
Speaker 4: the train of thought that we were on.
Speaker 3: There. You talked about the Florida incident and I.
Speaker 1: Said, yeah, yes, people have talked another woman that was
Speaker 1: on the show that had an encounter in South Africa
Speaker 1: long before the Aerial school incident, and she said that
Speaker 1: there was an absence of silence. There's a number of
Speaker 1: times where like you were underwater that type of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people, that's very very common metaphor people uses that
Speaker 4: The aerial school incident reminds me that those kids said
Speaker 4: that the little figures were floating in the air. And
Speaker 4: from abduction accounts testimonials, hundreds of them that we've listened
Speaker 4: to now, they often they don't obey gravity.
Speaker 3: I think that's because they haven't.
Speaker 4: They they they they reduce their frequency so that they
Speaker 4: can manifest down here, but they don't need to do
Speaker 4: it all the way so that they're fully solid. Jack
Speaker 4: Valet again our colleague. He says that there was a
Speaker 4: man in France who said that he said, what are
Speaker 4: you made of to the aliens and they said, we
Speaker 4: are made, as it.
Speaker 3: Were, of air.
Speaker 4: And I like that a lot, and so you'll call
Speaker 4: them being made of light and they're like translucent, and
Speaker 4: of course we know they take the abductee by the arm.
Speaker 3: The abductee floats in the air.
Speaker 4: I think, just like with macro psychokinesis where some gifted
Speaker 4: individuals are able to make tables either tip on one
Speaker 4: side or float, actually float, which you can see in
Speaker 4: my video anti gravity without technology. I think that when
Speaker 4: these aliens take hold of a of an abductee, and
Speaker 4: they raise them up. Not only that, not only are
Speaker 4: suddenly suddenly lighter than air, but they passed through the wall, ceiling,
Speaker 4: or the window glass or the roof of the car.
Speaker 4: They can pass through matter of the body can become
Speaker 4: so porous that they can pass through solid because as
Speaker 4: we know, none of the matter and none of the
Speaker 4: stuff around us is solid. It's mostly empty. So somehow
Speaker 4: they're able to traffic through that empty space and move
Speaker 4: us up through and then return us or vibrationally, yeah,
Speaker 4: they change our right, they change We're just we're just
Speaker 4: physical objects, and we're made of vibration.
Speaker 3: We're defined by vibration.
Speaker 4: And if they change that, then the electric the atomic
Speaker 4: bonds will loosen. It's very hard to understand, and I'm
Speaker 4: no scientists, so I should just not try.
Speaker 3: But somehow they make us.
Speaker 4: Less dense, more rarefied, so that we can pass through,
Speaker 4: and when we're put back, we're none the worse for wear,
Speaker 4: except for specific injuries that they inflict, of course, but
Speaker 4: our physiology still works and people live for decades afterwards.
Speaker 4: So it's they're able to change the state of our
Speaker 4: of our composition, our very composition at a molecular and
Speaker 4: atomic level in order to move us through matter and
Speaker 4: then return us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, couple think going back to the area incident. I've
Speaker 1: had some of the now adult, but they were children
Speaker 1: at the time on this show. Yet three of them
Speaker 1: and one of them being Selmacidic And she said basically,
Speaker 1: standing next she was four feet away from this being.
Speaker 1: Its skin looked like porcelain. She also said that the
Speaker 1: eyes were so hard to break away from when she
Speaker 1: wanted to see her sisters.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Francis Cherimuda, I also had on as well.
Speaker 1: He's the one who said they were floating and heading
Speaker 1: toward the pool. Four hundred meters toward the pool, that's
Speaker 1: how far away it was. And he said that they're
Speaker 1: blinking in and out and reappearing ahead of themselves.
Speaker 2: That's what ye said, he said.
Speaker 4: If that's so often the same exact description of craft
Speaker 4: that are skipping in and out of reality or just visibility.
Speaker 4: And I think when things disappear, people think, oh, there
Speaker 4: must be going to another dimension, but they don't.
Speaker 3: No one knows what they mean by that.
Speaker 4: And I think it's all one play and I just
Speaker 4: think it's a spectrum of visibility and density, and I
Speaker 4: think when they diffuse again back into the consciousness state,
Speaker 4: which is invisible, they're not going into another dimension. I
Speaker 4: think this notion of if we can't see them, they
Speaker 4: must be in a whole different place, a whole different dimension,
Speaker 4: is just a function of overvaluing our eyesight as though
Speaker 4: we can see more than a tiny fraction of the
Speaker 4: visible of the spectrum.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Here's a last question here. We're
Speaker 1: going to wrap it up here. So what's your thoughts
Speaker 1: on them being crystals. I know there's a lot to
Speaker 1: talk about crystals and the vibration of crystals and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, but have you ever thought of any of
Speaker 1: the orbs being anything involved in crystals?
Speaker 4: What makes me think of is that crystals are an
Speaker 4: extremely ordered state of matter, and so are plasmalloids, which
Speaker 4: now many of the leading figures in Washington and the
Speaker 4: disclosure Effort are talking openly about these intelligent. They say sentient,
Speaker 4: But entian just means like a snail is sentient just
Speaker 4: means able to sense things. So I don't like that word.
Speaker 4: I think that intelligent and high consciousness. I think that
Speaker 4: orbs are in the same continuum with the other manifestations
Speaker 4: of consciousness. It's just that they consciousness has to use
Speaker 4: the raw materials of this lower denser part of reality.
Speaker 4: And in the case of orbs, it just uses electricity.
Speaker 4: It uses plasma. It can gather it from the upper atmosphere.
Speaker 4: There's tons of plasma up there. It can just form it.
Speaker 4: And plasma is extremely conducive to being ordered and controlled
Speaker 4: and animated. And I think that it's consciousness deciding to
Speaker 4: spend some time down here. And a sphere is the
Speaker 4: most efficient shape. So I think that in terms of
Speaker 4: energy expense, how costly it is. Again, in terms of
Speaker 4: the economy of energy, I think it's more efficient to
Speaker 4: be a sphere. And so these orbs come around and
Speaker 4: people see them all the time. In conjunction with sasquatch too,
Speaker 4: I must say I finally lost my virginity when it
Speaker 4: comes to orbs. A couple of years ago in Florida,
Speaker 4: also when I was on this Sasquatch expedition, and people
Speaker 4: at this one place started seeing these orbs, and all
Speaker 4: of us went over there one night, and indeed there's
Speaker 4: orbs in the forest and they were moving around and
Speaker 4: you could see them lighting up the trees. Next to them,
Speaker 4: and they were changing colors and they were moving around,
Speaker 4: and this was the whole reason we were there, is
Speaker 4: that it was a high density of sasquatch reports over
Speaker 4: the years in this spot, so they're very I think
Speaker 4: the sasquatch and orbs are simply two manifestations of the
Speaker 4: same thing, which is consciousness. And there's a hole. There's
Speaker 4: panoply or pantheon of different materialization, different forms that these
Speaker 4: can take, including aliens and ghosts and cryptids. I was
Speaker 4: going to say something else, darn it, you reminded me.
Speaker 4: And then now I'm all stressed out because we're at
Speaker 4: the end of our time and I.
Speaker 3: We can talk again some other time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what it's I like having people
Speaker 1: like you on the show because I like to offer
Speaker 1: different ideas because.
Speaker 3: Way outside the box, way outside the box.
Speaker 1: Like you said, you're throwing some spaghetti at the wall.
Speaker 1: Maybe some of us will sick, but it's probably wrong.
Speaker 1: And when someone says something like that, I like that
Speaker 1: because there too too many people that say this is
Speaker 1: the way it.
Speaker 3: Is, and too many, oh too many yep.
Speaker 2: So I like the what's probably wrong.
Speaker 3: Probably wrong. I'd like to I'd like to hear this
Speaker 3: person whose name rhymes with let's say it, say something
Speaker 3: like that. It could be any number of people.
Speaker 2: Right, that's funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but anyway, well.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Where can you have to be modest?
Speaker 4: You have to be you have to be epistemologically modest
Speaker 4: in this business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Where can someone find you?
Speaker 4: I give you my address, No I am on. My
Speaker 4: YouTube channel is called Impossible Visits. My website is the
Speaker 4: Nearness of you dot net.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll like that down in the show notes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, please, thank you, thank you. My two most recent
Speaker 4: books are on Amazon. That's The Anatomy of Thin Air
Speaker 4: and Homegrown Monsters.
Speaker 2: Excellent. All right, thanks so much.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Sarah. It's been a pleasure. It's been a
Speaker 3: real pleasure.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and take care and we'll talk again. All right, everyone,
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