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Speaker 1: Made a susion pace Sunny Sun on Ahead Visions night.

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What's up everybody? Welcome to for crying out loud. I

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love you guys, Happy Friday. Love.

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Speaker 2: You had such a like a not really a deja vus,

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but a flash memory of us in the other the

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other studio, in the egg carton studio. Oh yeah, that

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studio we were in for a really long time opening

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our Friday shows with its frid It'sday.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that studio gave us like felt like we were

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a seat we were on LSD because it was all

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egg cart and foam surrounded us. But like if you

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looked at it, it sucked with your eyes, Yes, made

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you feel like you weren't seeing trails. Yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then Brandon was behind like a wall, one little

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wall glass. You could only hear him if we had

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well I guess that would be both of them. But

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still we didn't love that studio.

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Speaker 1: Now he didn't.

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Speaker 2: It was embarrassing if we brought people.

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Speaker 1: I know, and we had a lot of guests in

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that little teeny tiny stud did Yeah, I remember the

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Motley Crue wives or something.

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Speaker 2: Were they with that studio?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah?

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Speaker 1: And who else we had to like we had Joe

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Rogan on our show.

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Speaker 2: We did, Yeah, shut up, I don't remember that. Yes,

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I don't think so. Was it maybe maybe it was

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with Teresa, Probably with Teresa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we had Joe. We had Joe Coy because.

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Speaker 2: I told you that Joe Rogan. I wouldn't have been

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there because I would have had to bring up the

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fact that he called me a cunt once at the improv, like,

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oh yeah years ago. I would have had to be like, okay,

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elephant in the room, right, Andy Dick, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: We've had Andy Dick on Yeah, which he.

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Speaker 2: Was super charming. When we had him on.

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Speaker 1: Rit he was, yes, so fun. Yeah, he was fun.

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We had him, David Allen.

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Speaker 2: Greer, Yes, Carolyn Kepnis.

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Speaker 1: Carolyn Capness from you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we kind of discovered her.

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Speaker 1: We did, Oh I love that book. That was so good.

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Speaker 2: I guess we had on yeah, because it wouldn't have

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been zoom we That's when we had on the lady

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that said she got fired her housekeeper, which I brought

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up before and then people privately messaged me. Yeah, her

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name was Adrianna Costa, right right, yes, And then we

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had oh do you remember, and I got kind of.

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I remember getting a little bit mad about this because

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she was only talking to you. But remember her name

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was Jennifer and she runs sober Livings Jennifer, Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Oh from like from from from from Celebrity Rehabs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah yeah. I remember when she came. God, I forgot very.

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Speaker 2: Hollywood, and she was refusing to talk to me, and

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the two of you were wearing like Maxie dress. First

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of all, the two of you were kind of dressed alike,

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and you were really bonding. Not your fault, because she

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was really like up the asses, solicitous, solicitous of you. Yeah,

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she's way up your ass. And she was just like

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I think she probably wanted to be on Adams Show,

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and she wanted to be, but she was like I

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remember she was trying to make plans with you all

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we were recording, and I was.

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Speaker 1: Like, well, god, talk about mean girl.

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Speaker 2: She was like, we need to go to lunch like

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we sh and and you were like yeah, I mean

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you you were being super friend. Yeah, and I remember

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just being like.

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Speaker 1: Shut up, yeah, oh my gosh. Got and then the

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Pussycat Dolls lady too. Yeah, Robin Anton, we had her

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on she brought you gifts, poor Stephanie, It's okay. And

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then we had a who was that heart throb? I

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can't think of his name. That's right. We had Sean Cassidy.

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Speaker 2: I was so excited about that one, remember, Yeah, yeah,

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he was so sweet.

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Speaker 1: He was sweet. He was good. And we had uh

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stuttering John on our show.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yes, and who has a trans son?

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Speaker 1: Right right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets too much shit. I love that guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was nice, he was really he was good.

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It was fun to talk to him. Yeah. Well, we

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had some big, big celebrities.

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Speaker 2: We had uh Mark now we brought this up before

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and then I forgot and his wife from the band

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Uh now, I forgot it again. Here we go Mark,

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Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch Mark you.

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Speaker 1: Know Mark Wahlberg Mark No, yeah, on No and his

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wife musician. Yeah, he's a music Oh, I know what

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you're talking. You're uh uh Mark from I Could Fly?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well he was an extra. He was

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on extra and he had twins the same age as

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my kids.

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Speaker 2: And he and his wife came on together and they

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were so nice.

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Speaker 1: That was the name of his band. Come on, I

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can't remember I just want to fly. Yeah, I want

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to fly? Yeah? What's that? Yes, come on you guys.

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People are yelling at us right now. Where's Kaylen?

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Speaker 2: God damn it, Kaylen? I should text Kaylen? Who sings?

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Speaker 1: Right? I just want to fly?

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Speaker 2: Well, anybody, you guys can google that on your own. Yeah,

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this is our time, right, Yeah, so that was all.

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I just had a flash though of like old days

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of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Oh that was fun, but this is

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more comfortable. Yeah, I'm enjoying this.

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Speaker 2: And we have guests sometimes, but it's more like our

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speed goes exactly. Yeah, people we want to have Yeah,

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not that we didn't want. You know, we don't want

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to have big stars on our show. We're not like,

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we're not about that.

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Speaker 1: No, we're not that way. No, we're not no way.

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Speaker 2: Okay, before we get into anything. So she was your

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New Year's.

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Speaker 1: Oh So my New Year's was was fine. I stayed

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basically sick, right, I was sick and I was fighting

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this this I was started this cold started back up

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when I was in Chicago. I was fighting it. Then

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when I got home, I got a little worse. So

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New Year's I just both kids had their friends groups

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coming and going throughout the night. So I just stayed

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in and I was like on the phone with friends

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and just hung out and manned the base. But both

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my kids were home the decent time after midnight and

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it was pretty But you went out and I told

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you not to get too drunk. Yes, yeah, I should

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have listened.

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Speaker 2: I went to my friend Laura's house, who has a

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New Year's Eve party every year. So it's my same

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group as my Hanukkah party group, and it was really fun.

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The only the only thing that was not great was

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that even though I was on the GLP, I managed

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to really like fight through it and I, oh my god,

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I just like pigged out. There was so much food

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and I just I had like eight desserts. I went

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a lot. Really yeah, and then I was the next

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day I really kind of regretted it. Yeah, it's like

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my drinking. Yeah, my version of drinking. It is like

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just going crazy on desserts.

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Speaker 1: And the next morning, like, how am.

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Speaker 2: I doing this? How am I doing this? I'm on

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a GLP and I was like, I don't know. It

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tastes good, that's all I say. There's somebody made like

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this banana pudding that was like bananas and like had

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like whipped cream in it and like and banana pudding

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and Nila wafer.

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Speaker 1: Like it's gonna say the Nila wafers.

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Speaker 2: And then there was something my my friend Cecily made

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these brownies with like that she mixes in candy bars

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and so it there like fudge. It was like eating fudge.

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And then you know, then I ate a bunch of

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onion dip and like.

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Speaker 1: I love the dips.

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Speaker 2: Oh, oh my god. I was gonna say I buried

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the lead. And then I looked down the line story

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and I was like, all this is is like a

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brag on myself. But I figured out how to make

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something new. You did, like, okay, So I was going

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to make my my standard caprazy, which is where I

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take a little mozzarella ball, Yeah, mozzarella ball, and I

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put a little basil in the middle and then a

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little tomato yes, And I put it on a toothpick,

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and I put a little glaze.

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Speaker 1: Over at a little you know, alamic, a little ballslamic,

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Speaker 2: Usually a pretty big hit. Yeah that sounds, but last

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year I brought that and I know at the end

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of the night, I was like nobody really ate it.

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were out of the mozzarella balls that I normally get. Yeah,

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So I was like, all right, maybe I should try

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something different. Then I remembered that John's sister, my sister

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in law, but not my sister in law that's married

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to my brother. Mother sister in law sent us some

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seafood for the holidays. And one of the things she

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sent was a big thing of locks. And I was like,

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what could I make? And then I I was like,

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you know, what would be so good is baget like

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Crustini's salmon and cream cheese Crustini. I looked up a

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recipe for it, and I was like, I think I

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could do this. And I took a bagette and cut

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it up, I put it in the oven. I sprayed

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some olive oil on it. Then I took cream cheese

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and I added fresh dill and lemon juice and some

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salt and pepper, and then I baked the bread and

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then I took it out like you do, yeah, and

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then I spread the cream cheese on it, and then

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I put a little bit of locks on a little

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piece of locks on each one and then I put

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a little bit of fresh dill on top of that

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and a couple of keepers. Oh and it was a

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ginormous hit as it all got eaten.

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Speaker 1: Really see that's great.

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Speaker 2: And it tasted. I was shocked at myself.

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Speaker 1: So you made all that and brought it to the party.

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Speaker 2: I made that, and I also brought some chips on

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onion dip. But that took like two seconds. Yeah, but

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this was like it didn't even take that long to make.

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It tasted like a fancy or derv that you would

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get like at a wedding that would be pastor on

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on a tray.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, I know those are so yummy.

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Speaker 2: Because the flavor was really good. With the dill, yes see.

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Speaker 1: People would forget it. You forget about the dill. The

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dill and the capers, yes, so good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: With the with the locks, oh my god, that sounds delicious.

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Speaker 2: It was fancy. It was like fancy kind of for

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the occasion. Yeah, New Year's Eve?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, what.

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Speaker 2: Did you think? Did you watch the Ball? Did you

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watch Anderson? I watched Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen. Yes, yeah,

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they're always so funny. I just I don't know, I

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get a kick out of Andy.

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Speaker 1: I love watching him and I love watching Anderson Cooper

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get cracked cracked up. I didn't think he was like

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that drunk for a long time. And then I saw

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a clip the next day because I missed bits and

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pieces of it. But then I saw a clip the

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next day where he was just kind of slosh like

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slurring his words, and I was like, I missed how

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do you go from zero to that? Did you watch it?

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Speaker 2: I was watching it, but I had the sound. The

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sound was way down because I was at a party.

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he seems pretty out of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was listening to him talk really Yeah, and

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Andy looked smashing like he looked really good. I think

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he's doing the oozembic too, but I think he said

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he is, Yeah he is, and but like his hair

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look good, like I think I thought he looked great.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's my new favorite show to watch on New Year's

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because if you look at all the other shows, like

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The Ryan Secret, they're all so lame. Like I switched

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around a little bit, It's like, ugh, this band's playing.

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I don't even know who they are. It's just like

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lame programming. CNN is the place to watch now And

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then they had like people call it, and then like

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they had Stephen Colbert call in. Oh, congratulations to Jimmy

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Kimmel for winning Best Talk Show at the Critics Choice Awards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy for him. I'm rooting for him that

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he gets an Emmy this year. I hope. So he's

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never won an Emmy, he never has. No, he's been nominated. No,

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he loses out to like Daily Show or John Oliver.

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But hopefully, I don't know, Hopefully it's a good sign

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and he's going to get something this year.

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Speaker 2: Well I okay, So my friend, one of my best friends,

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Bonnie in town right now writing for Nicki Glazer for

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the Golden Globes, which are on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the Golden Globes are this Sunday, this Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, And I went with Bonnie. Bonnie and I

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went and had dinner, and then I went to the

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improv and watched Nicki run her monologue. Oh you did,

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and it's really funny. Really it'll be different, Like I

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can't like tell you the jokes she's saying. But I

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was legit, like laughing out loud. I bet jo she's great.

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She's so freaking funny.

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Speaker 1: She is funny. She is funny. I didn't know she

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was hosting.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh great last year and did really they loved

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her so much they asked her to go back.

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Speaker 1: Great. Oh that's awesome. I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you should definitely tune in for her monologue. I

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love it will make you laugh. Yeah, she's just so

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irreverent and but she also has a warmth and like

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a silliness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah, she does this perfect.

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Speaker 2: Even though she's being mean, because she's really good at roasting.

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It does never comes. She just does it with such

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a smile on her face.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's fun right right, Well great, yeah, I'm

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gonna look forward.

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Speaker 2: To that was that was a fun time, trying to think.

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I went I went to the improv and I saw

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like a couple other comics. I was really hoping to

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see Anthony Jesselneck. Yeah, because he really makes me laugh,

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right right, I've heard of him. I don't know, I'm

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not a big comedy person. He's he's really mean. His

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jokes are very dark and mean. But what I've noticed

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in the past like while like a couple of years

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is he doesn't. He's one of the few people that

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doesn't punch down like he's and I've heard him talk

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about it before and he's like, yeah, all these guys

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that do all this like ant like transphobic material or whatever.

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He's like, why right, you don't need like it's just like,

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I'm not gonna I'm not gonna punch down. There's so

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many opportunities to.

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Speaker 1: Like right up of course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so he manages to be incredibly edgy

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and dark without without that's vulnerable populations of people.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of mean. So you watch the Chevy Chase stock

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I did. I'm Chevy Chase and you're not. Yes, yeah

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on CNN.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to just say this really quick. Yeah,

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So Cecily and I watched it, and we did a

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two part episode on Rose Pricks which aired yesterday. So

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my take is not going to anybody who already heard this.

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My take won't be new, but I'm so interested in yours.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't know what to expect because I've heard

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about Chevy Jay's being problematic and being a dick. But

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at the same time, I remember watching SNL like when

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I was a kid and that whole first season of

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John Belushi and Lorraine Newman and Gilda Radner and you know,

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so I was curious, and so I had it kind

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of like on in the background, but then I started

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getting hooked. I was like, you know, cleaning up the

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Christmas ornaments and stuff, putting that shit away, and then

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I was like, wait what. So then I it got

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me interested because he starts out the documentary kind of

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being a dick, like to the person that's producing the documentary,

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and you know, like she says something forgot what she

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asked him, but he said, I don't I don't think

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you're smart enough, or I don't think you're I don't

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think you're gonna get me because you're not smart enough.

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I still think you're smart enough. But so it caught

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my attention. So I ended up feeling pretty sad for him,

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because then I heard some nice stories like Goldie Hawn

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telling the story about how you know, he put her

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son to bed and you know, and then she was

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a single mom at the time and he said, I

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don't know how you do it kind of thing, and

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and then I saw how he is now in real

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life at the Flora Shop kind of bantering with the guy,

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and it's just like he's kind of like that old

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school acerbic kind of says what he feels like saying dick.

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But I just felt I really felt bad for him

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with the SNL stuff and not being included at all.

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You know, he just ended up sitting in the audience

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and he thought somebody made a terrible mistake. Why am

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I not on stage? Like why like interviewing his adult daughters,

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Like could he have just said Live from New York

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and Saturday Night, you know, because he's kind of launched SNL.

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So I just felt sad. I felt bad. I felt

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bad for him. I don't know what was your take.

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Speaker 2: Same as yours, pretty much the same. Yeah, well he

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reminded me, and I like told this to Cecily a lot,

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but he reminded me of my father, which was triggering

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in some ways. But just I think he thinks he's

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smarter than everybody. Yeah, I think that he thinks he's

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funnier than everybody. But he kind of is very smart,

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and I think he's joking, but he's just being very dry, right,

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He's like, well, you're not bright enough. Yeah, he's not.

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I don't. I didn't hear it as like I'm trying

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to be this crazy asshole. I think he doesn't know

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how he comes off. Yeah, I think he probably is

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kind of mean and doesn't isn't aware of like jokes

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you don't make anymore, or hurting people's feelings. But like,

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I don't know, Yeah, I don't feel like they proved

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out their point of like he's this horrible person that

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everybody hates. It's like, well, then you got to give

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me a few more stories, right, of actual shitty things

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that he did. Right, Because even when they were talking

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about him being a talk show host, yeah, I was like,

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but you're making him seem kind of humble because he

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tells the writers at one point listen like I know

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this sucks, but it's not your fault.

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Speaker 1: Yes, like exactly, not good at it? Right, right, Like.

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Speaker 2: That didn't seem that asshole?

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Speaker 1: No, And I don't know did they Did they do

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this doc to show what an asshole he was or

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were they just I mean, I know it's part of

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his story because he is kind of a dick, But

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at the same time, I don't think, like, you're right,

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I don't think he knows that he's coming across that way,

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and I do think he's pretty brilliant. I mean, the

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guy plays all these different instruments and his brain. Even

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at this age, even he's in his eighties, he's slowed down.

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He has bad, bad health. He's not in great health

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because of all the drugs and alcohol. But like even now,

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like he's got that like quick wit, you know, he

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hasn't lost a step kind of thing, even when he's

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trying to banter with the producer or whoever's interviewing him.

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Speaker 2: It's hard. I don't know what to believe. Because in

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the documentary they show him doing the tour of where

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they're showing National Mpoon's Christmas vacation, and he's doing appearances

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and answering questions and he comes across as so nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: People were like, oh, well, he was kind of a

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dick to the guy that owned the place, But he wasn't.

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He was totally joking. The guy goes, oh, yeah, like

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oh he owns the place, and Chevy Jays is like, oh,

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that great, and then he goes, I just have to

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ask you a question. He goes sure, and then he

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starts to ask the question. He goes, yeah, I'm not

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answering that, right, he was joey, he was joking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But then I was reading on Reddit, like somebody said

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that they'd been to that show, they'd been to see

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one of the appearances where they show vacation, and that

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he was just a giant asshole to people, So like.

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Speaker 1: But is he an asshole or do they under it's

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got you gotta like kind of I guess take it

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with who the sources maybe, because if you don't get him,

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then yeah, he can come after like an asshole. But

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from what I saw, he, like you said, he was

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kind of being a he was being flippant and being

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a jerk kind of thing, but not not like he's

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no Ellen, that's for sure. I didn't think he was,

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like That's what I was expecting, you know, after hearing

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about community shutting, like didn't want him on the set

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anymore and stuff like that. I was expecting, Oh, he's

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he must be like an Alan, like yelling at the

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little people. But he's not like that. He's just kind

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of right old school says it like it is. And

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then you have people like Ryan Reynolds who's in the doc,

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who like mister nice guy, who's like, oh, mister aw shucks,

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Like look at me, I'm you know, self deprecating. Do

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you want that who's fake as fuck? And it's like

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pushing around Justin Baldoni and yelling at him and screaming

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at him. Do you want somebody like that that's fake

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or do you want somebody that's kind? I'd rather have

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somebody real, you know.

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Speaker 2: And like I've I told you, well, I don't know,

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but I drove him Chevy Chase in a limo.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right.

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Speaker 2: My first big job. I was with another driver, and

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I remember the driver was like when we were going

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to pick up Chevy Chase, and I was excited, and

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he was like he's the nicest guy in the world,

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Like he's so great to me, best tipper. This was

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his regular driver. He only wanted this guy to drive him.

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He could not have been more pleasant and like nice

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and nice to me and like talk and like like,

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I don't know. I was like then I would just

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hear the stories and I'm like he seems pretty sweet. Yeah,

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but like that's just me. I don't know. Obviously, everybody

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can't be wrong, but I know it's easy to get

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misunderstood if you're just if you say, ye, gie deadpan things,

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a lot of people are not going to get that

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you're joking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have said to me, oh,

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when I first met you, I thought you were such

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comment that I'm like, oh my god, I was clearly

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in my mind, clearly joking, right, yeah, because I'll say

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really deadpan jokes that I just assume people know I'm joking,

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because why would I say that seriously, Like it's ridiculous. Yes, exactly,

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and they're like, no, for the longest time, I just

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thought you were so mean.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See, I don't know. You gotta like consider the source

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where it's coming from. I guess I don't know, but.

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Speaker 1: Do it do it?

495
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Speaker 2: Should we? Okay? So that was that? Oh yeah, well

496
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,200
let's just really quick. So I made you watch I

497
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Am a Killer.

498
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Speaker 1: Yes, I started watching that, and you know it's funny

499
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,319
because I've seen it on Netflix. But I don't know why.

500
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,720
I think maybe I tuned in to it once or twice,

501
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,200
and I thought, and I think I fell asleep. But

502
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:13,680
then when you told me to watch it, I was like, Okay,

503
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,440
if she's telling me to watch it, must be something

504
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,480
good going on. So I looked at the newest season

505
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:21,119
and there was a part one, part two about a

506
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,599
mother in a gang at the cartel. Holyhi is it?

507
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:29,720
I was hooked. I was like, Okay, now I see

508
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:30,960
why she wants me to watch it.

509
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:35,079
Speaker 2: So this is what they do, which I love, and

510
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,400
I didn't know it at the beginning. Even now that

511
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,359
I know it, I still like watch each one like,

512
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,960
oh my god. So they give you the person's story.

513
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,720
They let them tell their story, right, and they have them.

514
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:49,680
I think the way they get them to be a

515
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,880
part of it is like, hey, we want to hear

516
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,880
your side, which we do, and some of them stick

517
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,480
to that, but most of them, the best ones, you

518
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,599
hear the person's side and you're like, oh, no, this

519
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:07,119
person has like the worst childhood, like yeah, that's crazy,

520
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:10,880
or like oh they were definitely like forced into this

521
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,000
by their boyfriend like that. You know. Then way later

522
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:19,000
then you hear from like some other people and you

523
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,640
talk to victims and you talk to their friends, and

524
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:27,000
then you slowly hear the other side with that, what

525
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,079
with the one that you're talking about? That first one

526
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,599
I watched, she's like, you know, tells this girl who

527
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:38,359
committed a crime, tells you her childhood sounded terrible and

528
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,799
was and was bad. Yeah, but seems like she's turned

529
00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:45,559
it turned her into a sociopath because then when you

530
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,480
hear her talking about the crimes she committed, she's laughing.

531
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,319
So they hold back certain things, yes, And then you

532
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,079
also they also show people like a detective or a

533
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,759
relative listen to the tape of what the producers just

534
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,480
recorded of that person's interview, and then they go what

535
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,160
yeah you fucking kidding? Yeah, no, that is not what happened, right,

536
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,960
And then you're like, wait, and you see how easily

537
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,119
you can be manipulated.

538
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:20,039
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, absolutely, Okay, I only watched I watched the

539
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,119
part one, part two of that lady the gang she

540
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:26,960
was involved with the gangs, and then I think I

541
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,759
watched another one, but I haven't seen more episodes after that.

542
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,519
So do they always do that where you go in

543
00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:36,599
one direction you think, oh, you're feeling sorry for this

544
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,839
person they're telling this story?

545
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:41,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, ninety percent of them are like that, okay, yeah,

546
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,839
and sometimes there are extenuating circumstances and you like a

547
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,039
couple of them do do veer off of that, and

548
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:54,720
usually for good reason. And then you are left going like,

549
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:58,599
oh my god, like if everybody could have heard his side. Yeah,

550
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:04,680
but a lot of like there's this one bit where

551
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,279
I don't want to like totally spoil it, but there's

552
00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:11,759
this one of this guy who killed his wife. M

553
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:13,720
did you see?

554
00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: And I started watching that one, but I fell asleep.

555
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he talks about, oh, how much he loved her,

556
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,480
and he like and he really tried to get help

557
00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:23,920
even after he strangled her, but then he like flagged

558
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,720
down help. He couldn't believe he did that. Then you

559
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:30,400
find out and you're like, it's not that You're like, oh,

560
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:36,480
he didn't mean it, but he really seems genuine. You're like, oh,

561
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:39,200
he's so remorseful and whatever. And then you find out

562
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:43,119
it's like he did it before second person, the second

563
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,400
wife that he killed, and all these other crimes against women,

564
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,400
Like how what a violent offender this guy is? And

565
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,480
they kept letting him out right right, I don't know

566
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:56,039
how I ended up like, yeah, killing someone again.

567
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but something came over me. It's like stop

568
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,519
letting the guy out. Yeah exactly.

569
00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: But when you first hear it, you're.

570
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:06,759
Speaker 1: Like, oh, okay, yeah, sounds so bad.

571
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,119
Speaker 2: Every time though, I'm like, wait a minute, it's great.

572
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,400
And then they do this other thing where they'll have

573
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:19,200
another person going oh oh oh oh. So the guy

574
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,359
that I just told you about, Yeah, he was adopted,

575
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,640
and he talked all about his childhood being that he

576
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,240
was adopted into this family and he was abused, and

577
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:32,680
he was beaten every day of his life, to every

578
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,920
inch of his life. And he's a Native American and

579
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,319
he was adopted into this white family and he's like,

580
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:42,519
I didn't feel like I belonged right from the beginning.

581
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:45,680
So they play his interview for the brother for his

582
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,000
adopted right, and the brothers start. They start out just

583
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:54,440
talking to him and going and he's like, yeah, he's

584
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,400
like you know, I I can't remember what he says,

585
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:00,960
but he's like still like kind of loves his brother.

586
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,960
And then they play him the interview of him saying

587
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,160
that the dad like beat him and the brothers like

588
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,759
always always the people are when they listen to the recording, right,

589
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:14,480
he's like, are you fucking kidding me? He's like that

590
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:20,799
is offensive and absolutely untrue. And they treated him. Our

591
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:24,279
parents treated him like gold. He was absolutely a part

592
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:29,039
of our family. We had problems from an early age. Right,

593
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,119
there's something defective in his brain, but he was so

594
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:39,759
well treated, given therapy and absolutely never not one time beaten.

595
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:41,680
Why didn't you that just didn't happen?

596
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's yes, I know that one I

597
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:50,079
saw was boyfriend and girlfriend at a young age. They

598
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:54,880
killed the grandmother of what I saw. Yeah, and like

599
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,559
you would think the girl was like innocent, going along

600
00:32:57,599 --> 00:32:59,599
with it, and then you find out no, she was

601
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,440
like she was like the mastermind or whatever, like yeah,

602
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,400
like it's totally they hoodwink you.

603
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,279
Speaker 2: Yes. So with this Native American one guy they play

604
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:13,920
they so they get the brother going, that's crazy, that

605
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,920
didn't happen. Then they go back. This is what I

606
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,640
also love about it, and they everything. They it's kind

607
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,119
of branded where they go they have the little recording

608
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,599
device and right click.

609
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know they like it. Now they're playing it

610
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:27,480
for and they're telling you to listen.

611
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they play that, they play the brother going,

612
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:35,559
that's ridiculous. And offensive to him, and he goes, well,

613
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:40,119
I mean no, he just doesn't like they didn't do

614
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,319
it to him, so he doesn't really remember. And it's like, Okay,

615
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,119
now you're just hot, right like, now you're just a liar,

616
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,680
right right. It's so good, it's really really good. Okay.

617
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,599
So then Jody Hildebrand.

618
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: Jody Hildebrand, Yeah, well, I feel like we've seen that

619
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,960
story before, the Ruby Hart Yeah, yeah, but it was

620
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,480
a new one that was put out, Frankie, I mean Ruby, Yeah, Ruby, Frankie.

621
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,200
I feel like, you know, we've seen it before, but

622
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,079
it is a new one that just came out on

623
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:12,119
Netflix about the Jody hildebrown about what it focused more

624
00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:15,559
on about what a cult she was running. But I

625
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:18,360
feel like there was just another documentary about that too

626
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:22,920
on another Hulu or something about focusing on the cult

627
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,280
and talking to these husbands of couples that she tried

628
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,719
to like she did try to do the same thing

629
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,840
like separate, telling the husbands to like you got to

630
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,079
leave the house and let her be on her own whatever.

631
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:44,039
And yeah, I mean I didn't really come to know

632
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:45,199
anything different.

633
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: What it really left me feeling was that Mormonism is

634
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:50,320
the cult.

635
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: That's so funny because Wendy would Yeah, Wendy told Sonny

636
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,079
I forgot like at a young age, We're watching twenty twenty,

637
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:03,199
and she'd be like, it's the Mormons, like she would say,

638
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,719
like in a joking way, but so you feel like

639
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:12,519
it's more of like the Mormon Church being a cult. Yeah,

640
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,599
I mean she took it to a whole different level.

641
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,360
I don't know, like I don't know, I don't know

642
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,199
too much about the Mormon Church. I know a little

643
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:27,639
bit about it. Huh. I get called yeah huh. But

644
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:33,760
I mean it was interesting that Ruby was very brainwashed

645
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,079
and clear that she was brainwashing. But how the hell

646
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:40,440
does that happen? Like, how can you tell somebody you

647
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,400
could never brainwash me to torture my children the way

648
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,320
those kids were tortured, Like, how does that happen? Even

649
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,719
if you feel like the devil speaking or the you know,

650
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,559
she's got the spirit talking to her and the devil's

651
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:56,199
in your children, and you got to get the devil

652
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,000
out of your it's crazy to me.

653
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: It's the same as the Yeah, that's why you still Yeah,

654
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,320
it's just unbelievable, the Lori dallo or whatever.

655
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's the same thing. It's insane, all freaking Mormons, though,

656
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:13,559
you know, that is a little strange. It is a

657
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,880
little strange. And now there's this old documentary about one

658
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,400
of the Mormon housewives or one of the Salt Lake

659
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,719
City housewives, who's Mary Crosby, Mary Crosby, that she's got

660
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,079
a cult going on, which I didn't watch yet.

661
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 2: I know I want to watch that one.

662
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to watch it too.

663
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to understand more about those

664
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,599
real housewives. Salt Like City.

665
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,079
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City Housewives is good. It's good. I like it.

666
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:41,599
It's so much better than stupid Beverly Hills.

667
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. Beverly Hills has been off for a couple of

668
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:46,760
weeks and I have not missed it.

669
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:47,599
Speaker 1: Yeah I don't.

670
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 2: It's like, ugh, I just don't care about these people.

671
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,679
Rachel Zoe, who cares?

672
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: No, who cares?

673
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,199
Speaker 2: But it's fun to recap for Rose Pricks. But yeah, yeah, annoying. Yeah,

674
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,360
But let's get to our main, our story that we

675
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:07,079
wanted to talk about, which is toxic moms. Toxic moms.

676
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:13,159
So Ashley Tisdale, let me pull up this article that

677
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,000
John sent me so that I could read it. So

678
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:19,280
Ashley Tisdale, who do you even really know who she is?

679
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,039
Speaker 1: Now? I mean, is she somebody that was on the

680
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:24,480
OC or something?

681
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: I believe? So? Yeah, okay, So she apparently was in

682
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:36,239
a mom group with some celebrity moms right the ones

683
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,760
that off the top of my head are Megan Trainer,

684
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:44,360
Hillary Duff and Mandy Moore in her friend group. And

685
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,480
apparently she got kind of like ousted from her friend group.

686
00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:53,000
And then she wrote an article for The Cut where

687
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,840
she bashed how high school her friend group is. Right,

688
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,519
So do you want me to read you some of

689
00:37:58,519 --> 00:37:59,880
this article? I see?

690
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:00,679
Speaker 1: I'm interested?

691
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:01,039
Speaker 2: Crazy.

692
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:06,119
Speaker 1: A lot of people have been talking about this, okay.

693
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: Since becoming a public figure as a teenager, It's often

694
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,920
the thing I least expect that people most want to

695
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,880
talk about. Sometimes I'll say something offhandedly only to see

696
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,679
it turn into a headline or start a conversation on TikTok.

697
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:21,800
There's one recent topic that has made my phone blow up,

698
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,360
not like no other since I first wrote about it

699
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,400
a few weeks ago. It's a subject that has made

700
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,079
women dm me to say I feel seen and to

701
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:33,400
share their most emotional stories with me. It's one that

702
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,320
has made me want that has also made want to

703
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,519
be online saluts try to do some investigating like they're

704
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:43,840
on CSI please don't even try. Whatever you think is

705
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:49,079
true isn't even closed the topic mom group drama. After

706
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,440
the birth of my first daughter, I was craving connection

707
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:55,280
with other mothers. I needed someone to talk to about

708
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,360
the talk to about which diaperbag to buy, whether it's new,

709
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:02,719
is worth it, or how you can possibly get anything

710
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,079
done if you're supposed to sleep all the babies sleeping.

711
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:10,920
But what started out logical soon became deeply personal. Anyway,

712
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,960
then she goes on, yeah, but who cares? So I

713
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,760
felt lucky when my friend brought together a group of

714
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,719
new moms that she knew. My friend's friends were in

715
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,480
the same situation as I was. Most of us had

716
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,440
been pregnant through the early pandemic, so we missed out

717
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,679
on activities. All right, blah blah blah, I'm gonna okay.

718
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,000
I felt really cool. I'd found my village. These all

719
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:36,559
these cool These were all cool women, and you know,

720
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:39,920
but over time I began to wonder whether that was

721
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,159
really true. I remember being left out of a couple

722
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:46,760
of group hags and I knew about them because Instagram

723
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,000
made sure it fed me every single photo and Instagram story.

724
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,400
Another time, at one of the mom's dinner parties, I

725
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:56,960
realized where I sat with her, which was at the

726
00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,679
end of the table, far from the rest of the women.

727
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:02,400
I was starting to feel frozen out of the group,

728
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,480
noticing every way that they seem to exclude me. At first,

729
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:10,320
I tried not to take things personally. It's not like

730
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,199
people aren't allowed to get together without me, And maybe

731
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,719
there were perfectly good reasons that I hadn't been invited.

732
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:18,639
We were all busy, life was hectic. I told myself

733
00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:20,000
it was all in my head and it wasn't a

734
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:26,079
big deal. And yet anyway, then she goes on, I

735
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:30,480
wasn't included. There was another mom who often wasn't included.

736
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:34,119
Now it seemed this group had a pattern of leaving

737
00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:37,719
someone out, and that someone had become me. Why me?

738
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,639
The truth is, I don't know, and I probably never will.

739
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,440
What I do know is that it took me back

740
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,719
to an unpleasant but familiar feeling i'd left behind years ago.

741
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,440
Maybe I'm not cool enough. All of a sudden, I

742
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,559
was in high school again. So then she goes on

743
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:58,679
and on about how it's like high school. Yeah, then

744
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,000
I'm going to skip down two. I knew that I

745
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:04,119
had to speak up for myself, just like I would

746
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:06,719
want my daughters to do. I don't like when you

747
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,239
inject like I'm just trying to be a good example

748
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,599
for my daughters. You're not. You're causing drama. Okay, So

749
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:16,320
that's exactly what I texted to the group after being

750
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,039
left out from yet another group, paying quote, this is

751
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:22,679
too high school for me, and I don't want to

752
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,559
take part in it anymore. It didn't go exactly overwell.

753
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,159
Didn't go overwell. Some of the others tried to smooth

754
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:33,599
things over. One sent flowers, then ignored me when I

755
00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:36,679
thanked her for them. Another tried to convince me that

756
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,639
everyone assumed I'd been invited to gatherings and just hadn't

757
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:43,599
shown up. Then why didn't anyone ever ask where I was?

758
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,800
I wondered, To be clear, I have never considered the

759
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,360
moms to be bad people. Then she goes, maybe one,

760
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,119
but I do think our group dynamics stopped being healthy

761
00:41:54,119 --> 00:42:00,440
and positive for me anyway, and then she says that

762
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:03,559
she basically just dropped out of the friend group.

763
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.

764
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: So then a lot of people, a lot of people,

765
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,960
beautiful people, were like, huh, this is interesting because she's

766
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:21,679
been in a friend group with celebrity moms moms, right,

767
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,079
and those celebrity moms are Megan Trainer, Mandy Moore, Hillary

768
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,679
Duff and some other ones.

769
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:30,159
Speaker 1: Right.

770
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 2: So then so she writes that article, which I don't

771
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,119
know how she didn't realize that people would be like, girl,

772
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,239
we know who you're talking about. It's because you were

773
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,880
in tons of pictures with this mom groupy in right.

774
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:46,079
And then people figured out that the person she seems

775
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:51,320
to be saying is not nice is Hillary Duff. Well

776
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,039
it's either Hillary Duff or Mandy Moore.

777
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: How did they.

778
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,199
Speaker 2: Figure that Reddit that a lot of people were like,

779
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:02,239
oh my god, Mandy Moore is very nice, So like yeah,

780
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,559
then some people started speculating that this really kind of

781
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:12,119
started around the time that she posts. It seems to

782
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,840
be that she posts some Charlie Kirk content that she

783
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,760
seems to be the conservative of the group, yeah, and

784
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,559
that a lot of these women have very progressive politics,

785
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:32,239
and maybe I'm completely guessing maybe that was all good,

786
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,400
Like everybody to each their own their views. But maybe

787
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,119
when she started posting shit about like Charlie.

788
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: Kurk, right, maybe they were like, oh yeah, and that's

789
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:42,360
why they don't.

790
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,519
Speaker 2: But it doesn't sound like anybody was a cunt to her.

791
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:47,960
It doesn't sound like anybody was like, girl, we don't

792
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,960
agree with your politics. It just sounds like she's stop

793
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:54,159
getting invited that much. Yeah, and to me, doesn't it

794
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:56,719
sound kind of high school that you're like, oh, you

795
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,760
guys didn't invite me to something, and then you sent

796
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,519
me flowers? But when I texted you back, you didn't respect.

797
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:06,159
Speaker 1: I don't, right, I don't Yeah, I don't get that, Like, yes,

798
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,920
I that caught my ear, like she somebody, why would

799
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:15,360
somebody send flowers? Because why they didn't invite you? And

800
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,719
now you're feeling bad.

801
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 2: Well because she reached because she said, I feel like

802
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:21,559
this is high school and you guys are leaving me out.

803
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,039
And then somebody was was nice enough to be like what,

804
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,840
I'm so sorry you feel that way and send her.

805
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: Flowers okay, And then when she thanked them, they didn't answer.

806
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:32,920
I don't buy that, Yeah.

807
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:34,079
Speaker 2: Why would you send the flowers?

808
00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: Then?

809
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: Ignoring the right so you read something though you got

810
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:39,599
something on Reddit.

811
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: So I just saw on readit that TMZ I think

812
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:51,840
posted Now I lost it Ashley Tisdale uh, which basically

813
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:59,639
is saying she's already backtracking. Okay, so it says Ashley

814
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:04,039
tiss dale spicy Toxic mom group expose sent the Internet

815
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:06,760
into a full spiral mode. But TMZ has learned the

816
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,760
wild theory that involved certain celebs or had anything to

817
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,719
do with politics is totally off base, especially since Ashley

818
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,480
isn't even a Republican. A rep for Ashley tells TMZ,

819
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:25,280
it's unfortunate the cut hon't on it cut off. It's

820
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,800
unfortunate the essay meant to spotlight her experience with a

821
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,320
toxic mom group is getting twisted into clickbait, adding their

822
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,320
zero truth to what online detectives think they've cracked, especially

823
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,519
since the piece wasn't even about Mandy Moore, Hillary Duff

824
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:43,719
or Meghan Trainer. And then there's a picture of all

825
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,960
of them together and they're assuming if that wasn't enough,

826
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,119
folks jumped to the conclusion that Ashley's fallout was tied

827
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:54,119
to her being some hardcore MAGA type, but her rep

828
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:58,440
shuts that down hard, stressing to TMZ, it's completely false,

829
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:04,159
especially since she's a registered Democrat. Lastly, they add Ashley

830
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,239
penned a beautifully beautiful, meaningful essay on a very real

831
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,840
issue in mom circles, pulling from her own experiences of

832
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,880
being shut out of social hang so hard, from so hard,

833
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,079
from a completely different group of friends, and made her

834
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,199
feel like she was right back in high school. Bottom line,

835
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,679
this whole thing got blown away, way out of proportion,

836
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,559
and Ashley's already putting a lid on it, making it

837
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:31,079
clear this was never about Mandy, Hillary, Meghan or politics

838
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:32,119
full stop.

839
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:38,079
Speaker 2: So, okay, couple things. One girl's got a lot of

840
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:41,000
time on her hands if she has two timingly separate

841
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:44,079
friend groups mom groups right, like that she spends a

842
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:46,559
lot of time with and is but hurt that she's

843
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:49,039
not getting invited to every single thing they do.

844
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,159
Speaker 1: Yes, and also didn't some of these girls unfollow her?

845
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 2: Yes, she unfollowed, or she unfollowed that she's unfollowed.

846
00:46:57,639 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

847
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: How many friend groups is she in that you're unfollowing?

848
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: That you're on fire? Right?

849
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: But oh but I wasn't talking about them, so we

850
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,199
weren't talking about Mandy Moore And like Hillary duff. Then

851
00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:12,559
why did you unfollow them?

852
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bizarre.

853
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 2: Because that is who you were talking to.

854
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: She is.

855
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: Now you've got a bunch of backlash online. It didn't

856
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,199
go the way you thought it would go. Right, So

857
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,559
she writes this article. First, she wrote another article that

858
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:33,039
was very like milk toast you boring. Then she wrote

859
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:35,639
this one. Then people were like, oh, we know the

860
00:47:35,639 --> 00:47:38,079
friend group you're talking about and started calling it out.

861
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:42,480
Then she wrote this one to the cut, right, like

862
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:44,880
kind of an answer to that one. Right, It's like

863
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:47,519
shef protests too much?

864
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,679
Speaker 1: Yes, right, yeah, yeah, like.

865
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 2: And I don't know, like, I mean, I think it's

866
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,280
weird to be like what, I'm not maga. I just

867
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,840
like to post stuff about like Charlie kirk Well.

868
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing too, I don't get that

869
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:07,159
like her reps of course are rep's going to be like, no,

870
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,719
that's ridiculous, she's a registered Democrat or whatever. Of course

871
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,079
that's what they do, right, you know, it's all the

872
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:17,519
proof is in the pudding. People the Internet don't lie anymore,

873
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:20,679
Like they're going to find out the truth about you,

874
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:22,920
you know, and if you're saying one thing out of

875
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,519
your mouth, but then you're doing other things like unfollowing

876
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:29,239
or following or whatever. Look at what's her face, Gretchen,

877
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:33,159
you know, Maga Barbie. So you can't hide, you can't

878
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:35,920
be like oh what, No, that's not who I was

879
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,760
talking about, Like that's not gonna fly.

880
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:42,559
Speaker 2: No, So and I do understand, like, listen, new motherhood

881
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,280
is a is a hard time, and you can feel

882
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,639
really sensitive and you can feel shut out of groups.

883
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,239
So this is not to say that it can't feel

884
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,920
like high school or that, Yeah, I'm not trying to

885
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,320
discredit her feelings of like, yes, even if and if

886
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:06,199
it is over political differences, I can still empathize with like, wow,

887
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,559
that might feel kind of shitty that like your friends

888
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:10,559
are being like mean girls because they're like, oh, you

889
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:12,519
don't think like we do, so you can't come to

890
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:18,320
our stuff. But part of me also feels like she

891
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:21,599
sounds like she's being very over sensitive and then trying

892
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:23,360
to be like, I mean, it's okay, they're allowed to

893
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,840
do it. Doesn't sound all of them are doing every

894
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,239
activity and she's the only one not inviting, right, She

895
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:36,639
don't totally buy that, right, So, yeah, listen, I had

896
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:40,800
a friend like years ago who was in a very

897
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:49,679
she's very earthy, crunchy, very you know, composting and like breastfeeding,

898
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,000
and but she ended up she wanted to quit breastfeeding,

899
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:56,880
and Jesus, you and I have talked about this. People

900
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,480
can get very militant about parenting topics, and I could

901
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:05,320
understand how you feeling a little bit differently about something

902
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,679
could have people pushing you out. But this friend of

903
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,039
mine wrote this, wrote an article for remember Salon dot com.

904
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:15,360
Oh yeah, it was really good. It was about being

905
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,599
a mommy group dropout, and it was because she was

906
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:21,360
in this group and everybody kind of thought alike. But

907
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,000
then she wanted to go back to work and the

908
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:29,760
other women in the group were like what daycare? Wow,

909
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,039
you are not one of us, and like shamed her

910
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:34,119
about it, and then she left the group.

911
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,519
Speaker 1: So like, look, yeah it happened.

912
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: It happened, right, But also, if you are part of

913
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,880
a famous women's celebrity friend group, don't write a story

914
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:46,199
like that.

915
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:47,679
Speaker 1: Of course your.

916
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 2: Shit is gonna get called out.

917
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah she got busted. She's moded right now,

918
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:55,840
she's moded angeroded?

919
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, all right, this was super fun.

920
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:02,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are back we're bether back in the swing.

921
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,159
Speaker 2: And let's thank Robert Phelps again for the beautiful I

922
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:08,920
think you from the bottom of my heart for the

923
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,440
picture that Robert Phelps painted for me that we talked about.

924
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,559
I unboxed it on Tuesday's episode.

925
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we should post pictures on our Facebook page.

926
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will post pictures.

927
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert Phelps art on Instagram.

928
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,159
Speaker 2: I will post a picture on my personal Instagram and

929
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:29,599
tag him. There you go. Yeah, and I'll post it

930
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:32,239
on for crying out loud. Okay, okay. And then let's

931
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,639
also thank our Patreon subscribers. We had a Patreon this week.

932
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,800
I told a story that I think will be relatable.

933
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: Very relatable. It was really good for.

934
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 2: Our parents, especially parents who have kids.

935
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it.

936
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: And then let's thank our people. We got Dick Frolicker

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and Nikki Call your girls. And Elizabeth Williamson's got a

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lot of kids. She just had a new one twenty second. Wow,

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she's pumping them out. I know. Luckily, Rita's got that.

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Come to sleep, Polly, we love your pancakes up, Valerie,

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Bubba Fenwick gets out of the park. Katerina, don't make

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a mistake. Idea.

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Speaker 1: Now it's a new year girl.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Gabby and Missy are still in Times Square, are

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still in sleeping it up. Ishaan voshpe this baby's not

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even a baby anymore. No, he's becoming a little toddler

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mon toddler. Rebecca Nubern is so cute.

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Speaker 1: Kelly Brandt, she'll take your ass to plan parent hut yep.

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Alicia Ascalante from the city of El Monte, Leslie, stop

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with the coughing like me. Aaron is a dirty Sanchez Sandra.

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It's not easy being green, but you make it look easy.

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Stephanie's a stinker rinker and Christa gets stopped. Yes and

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every episode.

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Speaker 2: Adam Lerner, Adam's got a car dot com. Let him

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take the pain out of negotiating. He does take the

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pain price and tell you, like what what there's deals

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on right now. He could find you a used car,

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he could find you a new car. He could help

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you with your finance, all the stuff.

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Speaker 1: Adam's goott a car dot He's great.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks everybody, you're leting now, don't if it up.

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Let angle