Speaker 1: Made a susion pace Sunny Sun on Ahead Visions night.
What's up everybody? Welcome to for crying out loud. I
love you guys, Happy Friday. Love.
Speaker 2: You had such a like a not really a deja vus,
but a flash memory of us in the other the
other studio, in the egg carton studio. Oh yeah, that
studio we were in for a really long time opening
our Friday shows with its frid It'sday.
Speaker 1: Yes, that studio gave us like felt like we were
a seat we were on LSD because it was all
egg cart and foam surrounded us. But like if you
looked at it, it sucked with your eyes, Yes, made
you feel like you weren't seeing trails. Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And then Brandon was behind like a wall, one little
wall glass. You could only hear him if we had
well I guess that would be both of them. But
still we didn't love that studio.
Speaker 1: Now he didn't.
Speaker 2: It was embarrassing if we brought people.
Speaker 1: I know, and we had a lot of guests in
that little teeny tiny stud did Yeah, I remember the
Motley Crue wives or something.
Speaker 2: Were they with that studio?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah?
Speaker 1: And who else we had to like we had Joe
Rogan on our show.
Speaker 2: We did, Yeah, shut up, I don't remember that. Yes,
I don't think so. Was it maybe maybe it was
with Teresa, Probably with Teresa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we had Joe. We had Joe Coy because.
Speaker 2: I told you that Joe Rogan. I wouldn't have been
there because I would have had to bring up the
fact that he called me a cunt once at the improv, like,
oh yeah years ago. I would have had to be like, okay,
elephant in the room, right, Andy Dick, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: We've had Andy Dick on Yeah, which he.
Speaker 2: Was super charming. When we had him on.
Speaker 1: Rit he was, yes, so fun. Yeah, he was fun.
We had him, David Allen.
Speaker 2: Greer, Yes, Carolyn Kepnis.
Speaker 1: Carolyn Capness from you.
Speaker 2: Yes, we kind of discovered her.
Speaker 1: We did, Oh I love that book. That was so good.
Speaker 2: I guess we had on yeah, because it wouldn't have
been zoom we That's when we had on the lady
that said she got fired her housekeeper, which I brought
up before and then people privately messaged me. Yeah, her
name was Adrianna Costa, right right, yes, And then we
had oh do you remember, and I got kind of.
I remember getting a little bit mad about this because
she was only talking to you. But remember her name
was Jennifer and she runs sober Livings Jennifer, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Oh from like from from from from Celebrity Rehabs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. I remember when she came. God, I forgot very.
Speaker 2: Hollywood, and she was refusing to talk to me, and
the two of you were wearing like Maxie dress. First
of all, the two of you were kind of dressed alike,
and you were really bonding. Not your fault, because she
was really like up the asses, solicitous, solicitous of you. Yeah,
she's way up your ass. And she was just like
I think she probably wanted to be on Adams Show,
and she wanted to be, but she was like I
remember she was trying to make plans with you all
we were recording, and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, well, god, talk about mean girl.
Speaker 2: She was like, we need to go to lunch like
we sh and and you were like yeah, I mean
you you were being super friend. Yeah, and I remember
just being like.
Speaker 1: Shut up, yeah, oh my gosh. Got and then the
Pussycat Dolls lady too. Yeah, Robin Anton, we had her
on she brought you gifts, poor Stephanie, It's okay. And
then we had a who was that heart throb? I
can't think of his name. That's right. We had Sean Cassidy.
Speaker 2: I was so excited about that one, remember, Yeah, yeah,
he was so sweet.
Speaker 1: He was sweet. He was good. And we had uh
stuttering John on our show.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yes, and who has a trans son?
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets too much shit. I love that guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was nice, he was really he was good.
It was fun to talk to him. Yeah. Well, we
had some big, big celebrities.
Speaker 2: We had uh Mark now we brought this up before
and then I forgot and his wife from the band
Uh now, I forgot it again. Here we go Mark,
Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch Mark you.
Speaker 1: Know Mark Wahlberg Mark No, yeah, on No and his
wife musician. Yeah, he's a music Oh, I know what
you're talking. You're uh uh Mark from I Could Fly?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well he was an extra. He was
on extra and he had twins the same age as
my kids.
Speaker 2: And he and his wife came on together and they
were so nice.
Speaker 1: That was the name of his band. Come on, I
can't remember I just want to fly. Yeah, I want
to fly? Yeah? What's that? Yes, come on you guys.
People are yelling at us right now. Where's Kaylen?
Speaker 2: God damn it, Kaylen? I should text Kaylen? Who sings?
Speaker 1: Right? I just want to fly?
Speaker 2: Well, anybody, you guys can google that on your own. Yeah,
this is our time, right, Yeah, so that was all.
I just had a flash though of like old days
of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Oh that was fun, but this is
more comfortable. Yeah, I'm enjoying this.
Speaker 2: And we have guests sometimes, but it's more like our
speed goes exactly. Yeah, people we want to have Yeah,
not that we didn't want. You know, we don't want
to have big stars on our show. We're not like,
we're not about that.
Speaker 1: No, we're not that way. No, we're not no way.
Speaker 2: Okay, before we get into anything. So she was your
New Year's.
Speaker 1: Oh So my New Year's was was fine. I stayed
basically sick, right, I was sick and I was fighting
this this I was started this cold started back up
when I was in Chicago. I was fighting it. Then
when I got home, I got a little worse. So
New Year's I just both kids had their friends groups
coming and going throughout the night. So I just stayed
in and I was like on the phone with friends
and just hung out and manned the base. But both
my kids were home the decent time after midnight and
it was pretty But you went out and I told
you not to get too drunk. Yes, yeah, I should
have listened.
Speaker 2: I went to my friend Laura's house, who has a
New Year's Eve party every year. So it's my same
group as my Hanukkah party group, and it was really fun.
The only the only thing that was not great was
that even though I was on the GLP, I managed
to really like fight through it and I, oh my god,
I just like pigged out. There was so much food
and I just I had like eight desserts. I went
a lot. Really yeah, and then I was the next
day I really kind of regretted it. Yeah, it's like
my drinking. Yeah, my version of drinking. It is like
just going crazy on desserts.
Speaker 1: And the next morning, like, how am.
Speaker 2: I doing this? How am I doing this? I'm on
a GLP and I was like, I don't know. It
tastes good, that's all I say. There's somebody made like
this banana pudding that was like bananas and like had
like whipped cream in it and like and banana pudding
and Nila wafer.
Speaker 1: Like it's gonna say the Nila wafers.
Speaker 2: And then there was something my my friend Cecily made
these brownies with like that she mixes in candy bars
and so it there like fudge. It was like eating fudge.
And then you know, then I ate a bunch of
onion dip and like.
Speaker 1: I love the dips.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh my god. I was gonna say I buried
the lead. And then I looked down the line story
and I was like, all this is is like a
brag on myself. But I figured out how to make
something new. You did, like, okay, So I was going
to make my my standard caprazy, which is where I
take a little mozzarella ball, Yeah, mozzarella ball, and I
put a little basil in the middle and then a
little tomato yes, And I put it on a toothpick,
and I put a little glaze.
Speaker 1: Over at a little you know, alamic, a little ballslamic,
and it's.
Speaker 2: Usually a pretty big hit. Yeah that sounds, but last
year I brought that and I know at the end
of the night, I was like nobody really ate it.
And then also I was at Trader Joe's and they
were out of the mozzarella balls that I normally get. Yeah,
So I was like, all right, maybe I should try
something different. Then I remembered that John's sister, my sister
in law, but not my sister in law that's married
to my brother. Mother sister in law sent us some
seafood for the holidays. And one of the things she
sent was a big thing of locks. And I was like,
what could I make? And then I I was like,
you know, what would be so good is baget like
Crustini's salmon and cream cheese Crustini. I looked up a
recipe for it, and I was like, I think I
could do this. And I took a bagette and cut
it up, I put it in the oven. I sprayed
some olive oil on it. Then I took cream cheese
and I added fresh dill and lemon juice and some
salt and pepper, and then I baked the bread and
then I took it out like you do, yeah, and
then I spread the cream cheese on it, and then
I put a little bit of locks on a little
piece of locks on each one and then I put
a little bit of fresh dill on top of that
and a couple of keepers. Oh and it was a
ginormous hit as it all got eaten.
Speaker 1: Really see that's great.
Speaker 2: And it tasted. I was shocked at myself.
Speaker 1: So you made all that and brought it to the party.
Speaker 2: I made that, and I also brought some chips on
onion dip. But that took like two seconds. Yeah, but
this was like it didn't even take that long to make.
It tasted like a fancy or derv that you would
get like at a wedding that would be pastor on
on a tray.
Speaker 1: Ooh, I know those are so yummy.
Speaker 2: Because the flavor was really good. With the dill, yes see.
Speaker 1: People would forget it. You forget about the dill. The
dill and the capers, yes, so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: With the with the locks, oh my god, that sounds delicious.
Speaker 2: It was fancy. It was like fancy kind of for
the occasion. Yeah, New Year's Eve?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, what.
Speaker 2: Did you think? Did you watch the Ball? Did you
watch Anderson? I watched Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen. Yes, yeah,
they're always so funny. I just I don't know, I
get a kick out of Andy.
Speaker 1: I love watching him and I love watching Anderson Cooper
get cracked cracked up. I didn't think he was like
that drunk for a long time. And then I saw
a clip the next day because I missed bits and
pieces of it. But then I saw a clip the
next day where he was just kind of slosh like
slurring his words, and I was like, I missed how
do you go from zero to that? Did you watch it?
Speaker 2: I was watching it, but I had the sound. The
sound was way down because I was at a party.
So I was looking at Anderson's face and I was like, yeah,
he seems pretty out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was listening to him talk really Yeah, and
Andy looked smashing like he looked really good. I think
he's doing the oozembic too, but I think he said
he is, Yeah he is, and but like his hair
look good, like I think I thought he looked great.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's my new favorite show to watch on New Year's
because if you look at all the other shows, like
The Ryan Secret, they're all so lame. Like I switched
around a little bit, It's like, ugh, this band's playing.
I don't even know who they are. It's just like
lame programming. CNN is the place to watch now And
then they had like people call it, and then like
they had Stephen Colbert call in. Oh, congratulations to Jimmy
Kimmel for winning Best Talk Show at the Critics Choice Awards.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for him. I'm rooting for him that
he gets an Emmy this year. I hope. So he's
never won an Emmy, he never has. No, he's been nominated. No,
he loses out to like Daily Show or John Oliver.
But hopefully, I don't know, Hopefully it's a good sign
and he's going to get something this year.
Speaker 2: Well I okay, So my friend, one of my best friends,
Bonnie in town right now writing for Nicki Glazer for
the Golden Globes, which are on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Oh, the Golden Globes are this Sunday, this Sunday.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, And I went with Bonnie. Bonnie and I
went and had dinner, and then I went to the
improv and watched Nicki run her monologue. Oh you did,
and it's really funny. Really it'll be different, Like I
can't like tell you the jokes she's saying. But I
was legit, like laughing out loud. I bet jo she's great.
She's so freaking funny.
Speaker 1: She is funny. She is funny. I didn't know she
was hosting.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh great last year and did really they loved
her so much they asked her to go back.
Speaker 1: Great. Oh that's awesome. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should definitely tune in for her monologue. I
love it will make you laugh. Yeah, she's just so
irreverent and but she also has a warmth and like
a silliness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know. Yeah, she does this perfect.
Speaker 2: Even though she's being mean, because she's really good at roasting.
It does never comes. She just does it with such
a smile on her face.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's fun right right, Well great, yeah, I'm
gonna look forward.
Speaker 2: To that was that was a fun time, trying to think.
I went I went to the improv and I saw
like a couple other comics. I was really hoping to
see Anthony Jesselneck. Yeah, because he really makes me laugh,
right right, I've heard of him. I don't know, I'm
not a big comedy person. He's he's really mean. His
jokes are very dark and mean. But what I've noticed
in the past like while like a couple of years
is he doesn't. He's one of the few people that
doesn't punch down like he's and I've heard him talk
about it before and he's like, yeah, all these guys
that do all this like ant like transphobic material or whatever.
He's like, why right, you don't need like it's just like,
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna punch down. There's so
many opportunities to.
Speaker 1: Like right up of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so he manages to be incredibly edgy
and dark without without that's vulnerable populations of people.
Speaker 1: Speaking of mean. So you watch the Chevy Chase stock
I did. I'm Chevy Chase and you're not. Yes, yeah
on CNN.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm going to just say this really quick. Yeah,
So Cecily and I watched it, and we did a
two part episode on Rose Pricks which aired yesterday. So
my take is not going to anybody who already heard this.
My take won't be new, but I'm so interested in yours.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't know what to expect because I've heard
about Chevy Jay's being problematic and being a dick. But
at the same time, I remember watching SNL like when
I was a kid and that whole first season of
John Belushi and Lorraine Newman and Gilda Radner and you know,
so I was curious, and so I had it kind
of like on in the background, but then I started
getting hooked. I was like, you know, cleaning up the
Christmas ornaments and stuff, putting that shit away, and then
I was like, wait what. So then I it got
me interested because he starts out the documentary kind of
being a dick, like to the person that's producing the documentary,
and you know, like she says something forgot what she
asked him, but he said, I don't I don't think
you're smart enough, or I don't think you're I don't
think you're gonna get me because you're not smart enough.
I still think you're smart enough. But so it caught
my attention. So I ended up feeling pretty sad for him,
because then I heard some nice stories like Goldie Hawn
telling the story about how you know, he put her
son to bed and you know, and then she was
a single mom at the time and he said, I
don't know how you do it kind of thing, and
and then I saw how he is now in real
life at the Flora Shop kind of bantering with the guy,
and it's just like he's kind of like that old
school acerbic kind of says what he feels like saying dick.
But I just felt I really felt bad for him
with the SNL stuff and not being included at all.
You know, he just ended up sitting in the audience
and he thought somebody made a terrible mistake. Why am
I not on stage? Like why like interviewing his adult daughters,
Like could he have just said Live from New York
and Saturday Night, you know, because he's kind of launched SNL.
So I just felt sad. I felt bad. I felt
bad for him. I don't know what was your take.
Speaker 2: Same as yours, pretty much the same. Yeah, well he
reminded me, and I like told this to Cecily a lot,
but he reminded me of my father, which was triggering
in some ways. But just I think he thinks he's
smarter than everybody. Yeah, I think that he thinks he's
funnier than everybody. But he kind of is very smart,
and I think he's joking, but he's just being very dry, right,
He's like, well, you're not bright enough. Yeah, he's not.
I don't. I didn't hear it as like I'm trying
to be this crazy asshole. I think he doesn't know
how he comes off. Yeah, I think he probably is
kind of mean and doesn't isn't aware of like jokes
you don't make anymore, or hurting people's feelings. But like,
I don't know, Yeah, I don't feel like they proved
out their point of like he's this horrible person that
everybody hates. It's like, well, then you got to give
me a few more stories, right, of actual shitty things
that he did. Right, Because even when they were talking
about him being a talk show host, yeah, I was like,
but you're making him seem kind of humble because he
tells the writers at one point listen like I know
this sucks, but it's not your fault.
Speaker 1: Yes, like exactly, not good at it? Right, right, Like.
Speaker 2: That didn't seem that asshole?
Speaker 1: No, And I don't know did they Did they do
this doc to show what an asshole he was or
were they just I mean, I know it's part of
his story because he is kind of a dick, But
at the same time, I don't think, like, you're right,
I don't think he knows that he's coming across that way,
and I do think he's pretty brilliant. I mean, the
guy plays all these different instruments and his brain. Even
at this age, even he's in his eighties, he's slowed down.
He has bad, bad health. He's not in great health
because of all the drugs and alcohol. But like even now,
like he's got that like quick wit, you know, he
hasn't lost a step kind of thing, even when he's
trying to banter with the producer or whoever's interviewing him.
Speaker 2: It's hard. I don't know what to believe. Because in
the documentary they show him doing the tour of where
they're showing National Mpoon's Christmas vacation, and he's doing appearances
and answering questions and he comes across as so nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: People were like, oh, well, he was kind of a
dick to the guy that owned the place, But he wasn't.
He was totally joking. The guy goes, oh, yeah, like
oh he owns the place, and Chevy Jays is like, oh,
that great, and then he goes, I just have to
ask you a question. He goes sure, and then he
starts to ask the question. He goes, yeah, I'm not
answering that, right, he was joey, he was joking.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then I was reading on Reddit, like somebody said
that they'd been to that show, they'd been to see
one of the appearances where they show vacation, and that
he was just a giant asshole to people, So like.
Speaker 1: But is he an asshole or do they under it's
got you gotta like kind of I guess take it
with who the sources maybe, because if you don't get him,
then yeah, he can come after like an asshole. But
from what I saw, he, like you said, he was
kind of being a he was being flippant and being
a jerk kind of thing, but not not like he's
no Ellen, that's for sure. I didn't think he was,
like That's what I was expecting, you know, after hearing
about community shutting, like didn't want him on the set
anymore and stuff like that. I was expecting, Oh, he's
he must be like an Alan, like yelling at the
little people. But he's not like that. He's just kind
of right old school says it like it is. And
then you have people like Ryan Reynolds who's in the doc,
who like mister nice guy, who's like, oh, mister aw shucks,
Like look at me, I'm you know, self deprecating. Do
you want that who's fake as fuck? And it's like
pushing around Justin Baldoni and yelling at him and screaming
at him. Do you want somebody like that that's fake
or do you want somebody that's kind? I'd rather have
somebody real, you know.
Speaker 2: And like I've I told you, well, I don't know,
but I drove him Chevy Chase in a limo.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right.
Speaker 2: My first big job. I was with another driver, and
I remember the driver was like when we were going
to pick up Chevy Chase, and I was excited, and
he was like he's the nicest guy in the world,
Like he's so great to me, best tipper. This was
his regular driver. He only wanted this guy to drive him.
He could not have been more pleasant and like nice
and nice to me and like talk and like like,
I don't know. I was like then I would just
hear the stories and I'm like he seems pretty sweet. Yeah,
but like that's just me. I don't know. Obviously, everybody
can't be wrong, but I know it's easy to get
misunderstood if you're just if you say, ye, gie deadpan things,
a lot of people are not going to get that
you're joking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have said to me, oh,
when I first met you, I thought you were such
a bitch because you said and then it's like some
comment that I'm like, oh my god, I was clearly
in my mind, clearly joking, right, yeah, because I'll say
really deadpan jokes that I just assume people know I'm joking,
because why would I say that seriously, Like it's ridiculous. Yes, exactly,
and they're like, no, for the longest time, I just
thought you were so mean.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Should we? Okay? So that was that? Oh yeah, well
let's just really quick. So I made you watch I
Am a Killer.
Speaker 1: Yes, I started watching that, and you know it's funny
because I've seen it on Netflix. But I don't know why.
I think maybe I tuned in to it once or twice,
and I thought, and I think I fell asleep. But
then when you told me to watch it, I was like, Okay,
if she's telling me to watch it, must be something
good going on. So I looked at the newest season
and there was a part one, part two about a
mother in a gang at the cartel. Holyhi is it?
I was hooked. I was like, Okay, now I see
why she wants me to watch it.
Speaker 2: So this is what they do, which I love, and
I didn't know it at the beginning. Even now that
I know it, I still like watch each one like,
oh my god. So they give you the person's story.
They let them tell their story, right, and they have them.
I think the way they get them to be a
part of it is like, hey, we want to hear
your side, which we do, and some of them stick
to that, but most of them, the best ones, you
hear the person's side and you're like, oh, no, this
person has like the worst childhood, like yeah, that's crazy,
or like oh they were definitely like forced into this
by their boyfriend like that. You know. Then way later
then you hear from like some other people and you
talk to victims and you talk to their friends, and
then you slowly hear the other side with that, what
with the one that you're talking about? That first one
I watched, she's like, you know, tells this girl who
committed a crime, tells you her childhood sounded terrible and
was and was bad. Yeah, but seems like she's turned
it turned her into a sociopath because then when you
hear her talking about the crimes she committed, she's laughing.
So they hold back certain things, yes, And then you
also they also show people like a detective or a
relative listen to the tape of what the producers just
recorded of that person's interview, and then they go what
yeah you fucking kidding? Yeah, no, that is not what happened, right,
And then you're like, wait, and you see how easily
you can be manipulated.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, absolutely, Okay, I only watched I watched the
part one, part two of that lady the gang she
was involved with the gangs, and then I think I
watched another one, but I haven't seen more episodes after that.
So do they always do that where you go in
one direction you think, oh, you're feeling sorry for this
person they're telling this story?
Speaker 2: Yeah, ninety percent of them are like that, okay, yeah,
and sometimes there are extenuating circumstances and you like a
couple of them do do veer off of that, and
usually for good reason. And then you are left going like,
oh my god, like if everybody could have heard his side. Yeah,
but a lot of like there's this one bit where
I don't want to like totally spoil it, but there's
this one of this guy who killed his wife. M
did you see?
Speaker 1: And I started watching that one, but I fell asleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he talks about, oh, how much he loved her,
and he like and he really tried to get help
even after he strangled her, but then he like flagged
down help. He couldn't believe he did that. Then you
find out and you're like, it's not that You're like, oh,
he didn't mean it, but he really seems genuine. You're like, oh,
he's so remorseful and whatever. And then you find out
it's like he did it before second person, the second
wife that he killed, and all these other crimes against women,
Like how what a violent offender this guy is? And
they kept letting him out right right, I don't know
how I ended up like, yeah, killing someone again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but something came over me. It's like stop
letting the guy out. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: But when you first hear it, you're.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, okay, yeah, sounds so bad.
Speaker 2: Every time though, I'm like, wait a minute, it's great.
And then they do this other thing where they'll have
another person going oh oh oh oh. So the guy
that I just told you about, Yeah, he was adopted,
and he talked all about his childhood being that he
was adopted into this family and he was abused, and
he was beaten every day of his life, to every
inch of his life. And he's a Native American and
he was adopted into this white family and he's like,
I didn't feel like I belonged right from the beginning.
So they play his interview for the brother for his
adopted right, and the brothers start. They start out just
talking to him and going and he's like, yeah, he's
like you know, I I can't remember what he says,
but he's like still like kind of loves his brother.
And then they play him the interview of him saying
that the dad like beat him and the brothers like
always always the people are when they listen to the recording, right,
he's like, are you fucking kidding me? He's like that
is offensive and absolutely untrue. And they treated him. Our
parents treated him like gold. He was absolutely a part
of our family. We had problems from an early age. Right,
there's something defective in his brain, but he was so
well treated, given therapy and absolutely never not one time beaten.
Why didn't you that just didn't happen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's yes, I know that one I
saw was boyfriend and girlfriend at a young age. They
killed the grandmother of what I saw. Yeah, and like
you would think the girl was like innocent, going along
with it, and then you find out no, she was
like she was like the mastermind or whatever, like yeah,
like it's totally they hoodwink you.
Speaker 2: Yes. So with this Native American one guy they play
they so they get the brother going, that's crazy, that
didn't happen. Then they go back. This is what I
also love about it, and they everything. They it's kind
of branded where they go they have the little recording
device and right click.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know they like it. Now they're playing it
for and they're telling you to listen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they play that, they play the brother going,
that's ridiculous. And offensive to him, and he goes, well,
I mean no, he just doesn't like they didn't do
it to him, so he doesn't really remember. And it's like, Okay,
now you're just hot, right like, now you're just a liar,
right right. It's so good, it's really really good. Okay.
So then Jody Hildebrand.
Speaker 1: Jody Hildebrand, Yeah, well, I feel like we've seen that
story before, the Ruby Hart Yeah, yeah, but it was
a new one that was put out, Frankie, I mean Ruby, Yeah, Ruby, Frankie.
I feel like, you know, we've seen it before, but
it is a new one that just came out on
Netflix about the Jody hildebrown about what it focused more
on about what a cult she was running. But I
feel like there was just another documentary about that too
on another Hulu or something about focusing on the cult
and talking to these husbands of couples that she tried
to like she did try to do the same thing
like separate, telling the husbands to like you got to
leave the house and let her be on her own whatever.
And yeah, I mean I didn't really come to know
anything different.
Speaker 2: What it really left me feeling was that Mormonism is
the cult.
Speaker 1: That's so funny because Wendy would Yeah, Wendy told Sonny
I forgot like at a young age, We're watching twenty twenty,
and she'd be like, it's the Mormons, like she would say,
like in a joking way, but so you feel like
it's more of like the Mormon Church being a cult. Yeah,
I mean she took it to a whole different level.
I don't know, like I don't know, I don't know
too much about the Mormon Church. I know a little
bit about it. Huh. I get called yeah huh. But
I mean it was interesting that Ruby was very brainwashed
and clear that she was brainwashing. But how the hell
does that happen? Like, how can you tell somebody you
could never brainwash me to torture my children the way
those kids were tortured, Like, how does that happen? Even
if you feel like the devil speaking or the you know,
she's got the spirit talking to her and the devil's
in your children, and you got to get the devil
out of your it's crazy to me.
Speaker 2: It's the same as the Yeah, that's why you still Yeah,
it's just unbelievable, the Lori dallo or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's the same thing. It's insane, all freaking Mormons, though,
you know, that is a little strange. It is a
little strange. And now there's this old documentary about one
of the Mormon housewives or one of the Salt Lake
City housewives, who's Mary Crosby, Mary Crosby, that she's got
a cult going on, which I didn't watch yet.
Speaker 2: I know I want to watch that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to watch it too.
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to understand more about those
real housewives. Salt Like City.
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City Housewives is good. It's good. I like it.
It's so much better than stupid Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Beverly Hills has been off for a couple of
weeks and I have not missed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah I don't.
Speaker 2: It's like, ugh, I just don't care about these people.
Rachel Zoe, who cares?
Speaker 1: No, who cares?
Speaker 2: But it's fun to recap for Rose Pricks. But yeah, yeah, annoying. Yeah,
But let's get to our main, our story that we
wanted to talk about, which is toxic moms. Toxic moms.
So Ashley Tisdale, let me pull up this article that
John sent me so that I could read it. So
Ashley Tisdale, who do you even really know who she is?
Speaker 1: Now? I mean, is she somebody that was on the
OC or something?
Speaker 2: I believe? So? Yeah, okay, So she apparently was in
a mom group with some celebrity moms right the ones
that off the top of my head are Megan Trainer,
Hillary Duff and Mandy Moore in her friend group. And
apparently she got kind of like ousted from her friend group.
And then she wrote an article for The Cut where
she bashed how high school her friend group is. Right,
So do you want me to read you some of
this article? I see?
Speaker 1: I'm interested?
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have been talking about this, okay.
Speaker 2: Since becoming a public figure as a teenager, It's often
the thing I least expect that people most want to
talk about. Sometimes I'll say something offhandedly only to see
it turn into a headline or start a conversation on TikTok.
There's one recent topic that has made my phone blow up,
not like no other since I first wrote about it
a few weeks ago. It's a subject that has made
women dm me to say I feel seen and to
share their most emotional stories with me. It's one that
has made me want that has also made want to
be online saluts try to do some investigating like they're
on CSI please don't even try. Whatever you think is
true isn't even closed the topic mom group drama. After
the birth of my first daughter, I was craving connection
with other mothers. I needed someone to talk to about
the talk to about which diaperbag to buy, whether it's new,
is worth it, or how you can possibly get anything
done if you're supposed to sleep all the babies sleeping.
But what started out logical soon became deeply personal. Anyway,
then she goes on, yeah, but who cares? So I
felt lucky when my friend brought together a group of
new moms that she knew. My friend's friends were in
the same situation as I was. Most of us had
been pregnant through the early pandemic, so we missed out
on activities. All right, blah blah blah, I'm gonna okay.
I felt really cool. I'd found my village. These all
these cool These were all cool women, and you know,
but over time I began to wonder whether that was
really true. I remember being left out of a couple
of group hags and I knew about them because Instagram
made sure it fed me every single photo and Instagram story.
Another time, at one of the mom's dinner parties, I
realized where I sat with her, which was at the
end of the table, far from the rest of the women.
I was starting to feel frozen out of the group,
noticing every way that they seem to exclude me. At first,
I tried not to take things personally. It's not like
people aren't allowed to get together without me, And maybe
there were perfectly good reasons that I hadn't been invited.
We were all busy, life was hectic. I told myself
it was all in my head and it wasn't a
big deal. And yet anyway, then she goes on, I
wasn't included. There was another mom who often wasn't included.
Now it seemed this group had a pattern of leaving
someone out, and that someone had become me. Why me?
The truth is, I don't know, and I probably never will.
What I do know is that it took me back
to an unpleasant but familiar feeling i'd left behind years ago.
Maybe I'm not cool enough. All of a sudden, I
was in high school again. So then she goes on
and on about how it's like high school. Yeah, then
I'm going to skip down two. I knew that I
had to speak up for myself, just like I would
want my daughters to do. I don't like when you
inject like I'm just trying to be a good example
for my daughters. You're not. You're causing drama. Okay, So
that's exactly what I texted to the group after being
left out from yet another group, paying quote, this is
too high school for me, and I don't want to
take part in it anymore. It didn't go exactly overwell.
Didn't go overwell. Some of the others tried to smooth
things over. One sent flowers, then ignored me when I
thanked her for them. Another tried to convince me that
everyone assumed I'd been invited to gatherings and just hadn't
shown up. Then why didn't anyone ever ask where I was?
I wondered, To be clear, I have never considered the
moms to be bad people. Then she goes, maybe one,
but I do think our group dynamics stopped being healthy
and positive for me anyway, and then she says that
she basically just dropped out of the friend group.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So then a lot of people, a lot of people,
beautiful people, were like, huh, this is interesting because she's
been in a friend group with celebrity moms moms, right,
and those celebrity moms are Megan Trainer, Mandy Moore, Hillary
Duff and some other ones.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So then so she writes that article, which I don't
know how she didn't realize that people would be like, girl,
we know who you're talking about. It's because you were
in tons of pictures with this mom groupy in right.
And then people figured out that the person she seems
to be saying is not nice is Hillary Duff. Well
it's either Hillary Duff or Mandy Moore.
Speaker 1: How did they.
Speaker 2: Figure that Reddit that a lot of people were like,
oh my god, Mandy Moore is very nice, So like yeah,
then some people started speculating that this really kind of
started around the time that she posts. It seems to
be that she posts some Charlie Kirk content that she
seems to be the conservative of the group, yeah, and
that a lot of these women have very progressive politics,
and maybe I'm completely guessing maybe that was all good,
Like everybody to each their own their views. But maybe
when she started posting shit about like Charlie.
Speaker 1: Kurk, right, maybe they were like, oh yeah, and that's
why they don't.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't sound like anybody was a cunt to her.
It doesn't sound like anybody was like, girl, we don't
agree with your politics. It just sounds like she's stop
getting invited that much. Yeah, and to me, doesn't it
sound kind of high school that you're like, oh, you
guys didn't invite me to something, and then you sent
me flowers? But when I texted you back, you didn't respect.
Speaker 1: I don't, right, I don't Yeah, I don't get that, Like, yes,
I that caught my ear, like she somebody, why would
somebody send flowers? Because why they didn't invite you? And
now you're feeling bad.
Speaker 2: Well because she reached because she said, I feel like
this is high school and you guys are leaving me out.
And then somebody was was nice enough to be like what,
I'm so sorry you feel that way and send her.
Speaker 1: Flowers okay, And then when she thanked them, they didn't answer.
I don't buy that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Why would you send the flowers?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: Ignoring the right so you read something though you got
something on Reddit.
Speaker 1: So I just saw on readit that TMZ I think
posted Now I lost it Ashley Tisdale uh, which basically
is saying she's already backtracking. Okay, so it says Ashley
tiss dale spicy Toxic mom group expose sent the Internet
into a full spiral mode. But TMZ has learned the
wild theory that involved certain celebs or had anything to
do with politics is totally off base, especially since Ashley
isn't even a Republican. A rep for Ashley tells TMZ,
it's unfortunate the cut hon't on it cut off. It's
unfortunate the essay meant to spotlight her experience with a
toxic mom group is getting twisted into clickbait, adding their
zero truth to what online detectives think they've cracked, especially
since the piece wasn't even about Mandy Moore, Hillary Duff
or Meghan Trainer. And then there's a picture of all
of them together and they're assuming if that wasn't enough,
folks jumped to the conclusion that Ashley's fallout was tied
to her being some hardcore MAGA type, but her rep
shuts that down hard, stressing to TMZ, it's completely false,
especially since she's a registered Democrat. Lastly, they add Ashley
penned a beautifully beautiful, meaningful essay on a very real
issue in mom circles, pulling from her own experiences of
being shut out of social hang so hard, from so hard,
from a completely different group of friends, and made her
feel like she was right back in high school. Bottom line,
this whole thing got blown away, way out of proportion,
and Ashley's already putting a lid on it, making it
clear this was never about Mandy, Hillary, Meghan or politics
full stop.
Speaker 2: So, okay, couple things. One girl's got a lot of
time on her hands if she has two timingly separate
friend groups mom groups right, like that she spends a
lot of time with and is but hurt that she's
not getting invited to every single thing they do.
Speaker 1: Yes, and also didn't some of these girls unfollow her?
Speaker 2: Yes, she unfollowed, or she unfollowed that she's unfollowed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: How many friend groups is she in that you're unfollowing?
Speaker 1: That you're on fire? Right?
Speaker 2: But oh but I wasn't talking about them, so we
weren't talking about Mandy Moore And like Hillary duff. Then
why did you unfollow them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bizarre.
Speaker 2: Because that is who you were talking to.
Speaker 1: She is.
Speaker 2: Now you've got a bunch of backlash online. It didn't
go the way you thought it would go. Right, So
she writes this article. First, she wrote another article that
was very like milk toast you boring. Then she wrote
this one. Then people were like, oh, we know the
friend group you're talking about and started calling it out.
Then she wrote this one to the cut, right, like
kind of an answer to that one. Right, It's like
shef protests too much?
Speaker 1: Yes, right, yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, like, I mean, I think it's
weird to be like what, I'm not maga. I just
like to post stuff about like Charlie kirk Well.
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing too, I don't get that
like her reps of course are rep's going to be like, no,
that's ridiculous, she's a registered Democrat or whatever. Of course
that's what they do, right, you know, it's all the
proof is in the pudding. People the Internet don't lie anymore,
Like they're going to find out the truth about you,
you know, and if you're saying one thing out of
your mouth, but then you're doing other things like unfollowing
or following or whatever. Look at what's her face, Gretchen,
you know, Maga Barbie. So you can't hide, you can't
be like oh what, No, that's not who I was
talking about, Like that's not gonna fly.
Speaker 2: No, So and I do understand, like, listen, new motherhood
is a is a hard time, and you can feel
really sensitive and you can feel shut out of groups.
So this is not to say that it can't feel
like high school or that, Yeah, I'm not trying to
discredit her feelings of like, yes, even if and if
it is over political differences, I can still empathize with like, wow,
that might feel kind of shitty that like your friends
are being like mean girls because they're like, oh, you
don't think like we do, so you can't come to
our stuff. But part of me also feels like she
sounds like she's being very over sensitive and then trying
to be like, I mean, it's okay, they're allowed to
do it. Doesn't sound all of them are doing every
activity and she's the only one not inviting, right, She
don't totally buy that, right, So, yeah, listen, I had
a friend like years ago who was in a very
she's very earthy, crunchy, very you know, composting and like breastfeeding,
and but she ended up she wanted to quit breastfeeding,
and Jesus, you and I have talked about this. People
can get very militant about parenting topics, and I could
understand how you feeling a little bit differently about something
could have people pushing you out. But this friend of
mine wrote this, wrote an article for remember Salon dot com.
Oh yeah, it was really good. It was about being
a mommy group dropout, and it was because she was
in this group and everybody kind of thought alike. But
then she wanted to go back to work and the
other women in the group were like what daycare? Wow,
you are not one of us, and like shamed her
about it, and then she left the group.
Speaker 1: So like, look, yeah it happened.
Speaker 2: It happened, right, But also, if you are part of
a famous women's celebrity friend group, don't write a story
like that.
Speaker 1: Of course your.
Speaker 2: Shit is gonna get called out.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah she got busted. She's moded right now,
she's moded angeroded?
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, all right, this was super fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are back we're bether back in the swing.
Speaker 2: And let's thank Robert Phelps again for the beautiful I
think you from the bottom of my heart for the
picture that Robert Phelps painted for me that we talked about.
I unboxed it on Tuesday's episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we should post pictures on our Facebook page.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will post pictures.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert Phelps art on Instagram.
Speaker 2: I will post a picture on my personal Instagram and
tag him. There you go. Yeah, and I'll post it
on for crying out loud. Okay, okay. And then let's
also thank our Patreon subscribers. We had a Patreon this week.
I told a story that I think will be relatable.
Speaker 1: Very relatable. It was really good for.
Speaker 2: Our parents, especially parents who have kids.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it.
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and Nikki Call your girls. And Elizabeth Williamson's got a
lot of kids. She just had a new one twenty second. Wow,
she's pumping them out. I know. Luckily, Rita's got that.
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Bubba Fenwick gets out of the park. Katerina, don't make
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mon toddler. Rebecca Nubern is so cute.
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Stephanie's a stinker rinker and Christa gets stopped. Yes and
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