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you this week. I'm so excited to be sharing with

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you part two of my interview with Susanna Haick, So

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if you miss last week, be sure to go back

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and listen to part one so you don't miss any

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part of her story. Susanna is awesome. She's a Christian wife, boy, mom, friend, entrepreneur.

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She has an insane and incredible story to tell, and

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this week we talked specifically about her cancer journey and

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holistic health, entrepreneurship, and some of her favorite conspiracy theories,

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among other things. So once again, please welcome Susannah Haig.

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Let's get into your let's do political activism, because I'm

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just curious, like, okay, were you so okay again? I

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met you during COVID because of our shared COVID beliefs,

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And you know, obviously a lot of people came out

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of the woodwork during COVID because whether you were political

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or not, before that, people had strong opinions. There was

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a lot of obviously bodily autonomy, medical malpractice, all kinds

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of really you know, COVID specific things that people had

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strong opinions about. But at the same time, you also

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had kids coming home from school and going virtual and

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their parents. Finally, you know, there was a lot of

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I think way too much trust in the public education

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system and a lot of parents who just kind of

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assumed it was good because it was good for them,

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so it's going to be good for their kids. Get

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a peek behind the curtain and see the kind of

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filth that their kids are being exposed to, you know.

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So then you have that whole political like tidle wave

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that comes. So it's not just COVID anymore. Now it's

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education and of course like people getting fired for not

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getting the job, and like, you know, there's there's so

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much happening, and so a lot of people who were

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never political before that are like suddenly super political. They're

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going to all the hearings, they're writing screeds on Facebook,

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they're getting fired from their jobs so they finally have

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like something to say about it, you know. Or they're

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homeschooling for the first time. They used to make fun

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of the homeschool families and now they're one of them,

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you know. And so it's just like there's so much

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happening and people changing and just coming out of the woodwork.

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Were you politically minded slash like tuned in, plugged in

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before COVID or were you one of the people that,

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like COVID ignited this like this is unjustin I need

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to you need to rise up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I can tell you I had never door

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knocked before.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so definitely not because there's the litmus test for

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whether you're political or not. You knocked on doors for

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a Cannaida, Okay, what.

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Speaker 2: Am I doing? But I grew up my parents were

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very much active in not active in politics, but very

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knowledge We talked about politics. My great grandfather was like, okay,

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I should know this, but he was in Kansas. He

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was like a Supreme Court something.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think.

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Speaker 2: And my grandma was a part of like the Republican

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Committee in San Diego when my mom was in high school,

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so there was there was some of that. And you know,

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I didn't necessarily care about politics, but I because my

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parents were Republican, of course I was. You know, I

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was a Republican. Ronald Reagan landed on our football field

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when I was a senior in his helicopter. I mean, like,

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you know, so I thought that was cool. Yep. My

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dad had Fox News on all the time, so you know,

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Speaker 1: Whether you wanted to hear it or not, you were

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hearing it all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. So, I mean I knew who people were.

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about those random interviews that happened on the street when

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people ask who is this person and they have no idea.

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it wasn't until COVID that I was you know, like

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I said, remember, I was really angry and like, how

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could I act that out or do something or feel

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like I was doing something. That's where it happened. So

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it started off with our school district because.

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Speaker 1: We're any of your boys still in school at the time.

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but it was I mean that was five years ago,

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so it was a freshman okay, so basically his and he,

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you know, we're very much into sports, and so he

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was robbed of basically his entire four years of high

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school because of sports. Because our school district, I will

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remain names, was the longest school in our county to

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keep masks and keep kids out of school.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, did they cancel the sports or like what happened?

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Speaker 2: It was just so watered down and I'm sorry. The

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fact that my son had to wear a mask outside

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makes no sense. And so this is my youngest and

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he's a lot like me, so it was super bonded

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over this whole experience because he really got he found

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his voice right. He didn't care if he was getting

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in trouble was it was like a challenge for him

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every day to see how fari he get down the

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hall without his mask on, because at this point it's theater,

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you know. So there were four of us, same friend

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mentioned earlier. Her name is Beth, so now I can

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just say that, we'll just say Beth. Shout out to Beth,

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and we love so she and I are our youngest

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boys were the same age, and we are just up

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in arms like what we've got to We got to

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do something, and so we connected with these two other

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men in the community and the four of us get

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on a zoom. I can vividly remember the beginning of this,

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and we decided we were going to host something outside

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in our one of our parks, and it just invite

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parents to come so parents could be informed on what

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was really going on and how we could advocate for

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our kids. So that's where it started, and I think

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like thirty people showed up, so we were like, okay,

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this is great. And then we got thrown into like

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the leaders of some group. And so that was great

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because there was nothing to do. Then everyone's kind of

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shut down. We both own our own businesses, and everything

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was really kind of slow. Okay, So we got to

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work and we ended up starting Beth and I started

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hosting these groups. We didn't have a name for it

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in the beginning, but we basically called it like the

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Patriot Group, and started with eight people in my kitchen

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and then we challenged everybody to bring a friend the

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next month, and I think we ended up with thirty

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two people. And this is while my husband was really sick.

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something else to be doing, which is really really helpful.

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seventy people. Wow. So did we have any intention of

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that happening, Absolutely not, But it just you could tell

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that people were desperate for a community and like a cause.

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at the time with a training room, and we would

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have fifty to one hundred people come and we'd have

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to close the blinds because the Patriot we need people there.

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a mind of its own. We had we had gubernatorial

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candidates come and speak. We had doctors, very well known

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doctors that were being blacklisted canceled. We had people come

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and talk about critical race theory, and it was insane.

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It was so amazing, and so people were like, who's

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coming next month, and we're like, we don't know, we

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don't know what we're doing. But we did it for

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I can't remember exactly every single month we have. Yeah,

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we had health focused ones, we had school board things,

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and so that was that was really fun. And I

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still get run into people They're like, when are we

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gonna reconvene. I'm like, I'm kind of over that now,

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But so that was that was part of that. I

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don't know if you want me to get into any

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of that specifically, maybe back to the school stuff. Yeah, yeah,

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So being a teacher, being a public school teacher in

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the district where my kids went, I was so sad.

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And so you go to a school board meeting and

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you're speaking to the school board saying, I am embarrassed

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to tell my friends that my son goes here and

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I was a teacher here, because what you are doing

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to this district is disgusting. And it went from I

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mean everything from like, you know, he was old enough

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to you know, he would send me screenshots of things

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homework and all this gender stuff, and just I just

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was like, what does it? Why does that matter? Why

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is this important? And it went from that zero to

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one hundred in like a year. So he was he

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was great. He was my kind of spy. And then

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I would set up meetings with a superintendent. We would

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get together with people and yeah, it was they didn't

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they didn't really listen. They listened, but they didn't make

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Speaker 1: Were there any members of the school board or like

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teachers that you had kind of on your side or

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was it this, you know, the whole district basically against

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the parents.

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Speaker 2: It was like one person. We had one school board

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member who was amazing. He was a trooper. But you

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can't stay that way very long.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So he ended up starting his own Christian high school

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in our town, not a town, but in the county.

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peace out, I'm going to go do something that I

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actually can. I can't make any headways right with this

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school board, right.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So what year did you stop teaching.

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any of this now happening at all?

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Speaker 2: Then. The only thing I remember, one thing was there

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only thing that I remember, you know, kind of going

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you know, so, which.

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Speaker 1: Is crazy too, because that actually is kind of early.

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that point to know, yeah, how you know, I don't

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really know the climate then because I wasn't of course,

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that's kind of starting things.

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Speaker 2: And when I was teaching, we had full autonomy. We could,

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I mean, we had almost no resources, which for a

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new teacher that's a little overwhelming, but I could. I

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created everything on my own. We had a couple of

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things that we would use. But now I look at

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what the districts I have still have friends that are teachers,

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and the stuff they tell me, I don't even know

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how they're still doing it. But the money that is

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doing so many other things with that money. Yep. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And that's not even getting into the absolute abject propaganda.

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this is what's recommended for a kindergarten teacher. So it's like,

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who knows what was going on at the high school

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level at that point where you're talking about you know,

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sex ed classes and like and you know by for

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health and all the.

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asked them, I'm like looking at the curriculum because they

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would share it back then, you could see it ahead

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of time. There is no way you need to know this.

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you know, some parents will say, well, you don't really know.

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I go, yes, I know, trust me, I know. Yeah

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he's fifth grade, he's sixth grade. Right, So we we

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definitely were like, we're not gonna I will teach you

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these things, I will talk to you about these things.

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they were totally cool with it.

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I think part of the problem you have super activist.

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as essentially their property, like they're not the parents' kids,

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it's the teacher's kids, you know, which is why you

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have this problem with the propaganda because it's like they

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don't parents rights are not a thing. It's like, you

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know that these are our children. And then you know,

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but also you have so many parents who didn't do that,

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who like abdicate their responsibility to teach kids these things.

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where the parents voluntarily give up their kids to the

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state essentially, and then we wonder kind of how we

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got to where we are during COVID, where state certainly

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took that on, like you know.

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it's just started decades ago. Let's get both parents working.

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have time to really pay attention to what's in the backpack,

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what are the kids learning, Let's just eat, do baths,

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get to bed? I mean it's it's been designed yep

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for decades.

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Speaker 1: Got to have the dual income. Ye got to have

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women leaning into the workforce more like men. Yeah, we

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see where that has gotten us as a society for sure.

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kids was giving up your teaching. And when did you

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pursue entrepreneurship. Was that kind of an immediate thing or

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were you home with your boys for a while and.

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that would have I mean I didn't make a ton

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of money, but I know I was a full time

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teacher salary and I was coaching and teaching piano in

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the summer. I mean I was very much like, let's

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do what when we need to do to you know,

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have abundance. So I told this story earlier today. Actually,

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so Chris being super entrepreneur, and I was like, yeah,

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that's your thing. I am a teacher, I am changing

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the world, and so I had no interest in that.

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And he would read these amazing books and say, oh, honey,

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you would love this book. And I'd be like, that's

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a self help. I don't need that. I'm good. I mean,

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I got it all together. I don't need that, and

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he'd eat, the stack would grow, and then I would

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put it down below, and then he'd start the other stack.

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And finally I was like, okay, Chris, you can just stop.

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You know, when I'm when I need a book, I'll

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ask you. And he really was just trying to, like,

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I think this would be great for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and sweet Chris.

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Speaker 2: So poor guy. So when I decided that, like, I

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really was struggling with this. I'm thinking about my students

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when I'm home and my kids when I'm at work.

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This is not this is not good. So I went

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part time because that was like, Okay, let's test this out.

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And I got introduced to this amazing industry of network marketing,

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which I know some people are like, eh, but it

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is phenomenal and I have actually loved I've been in

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it for twenty six years, so I love it. So

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for me, I needed something that I could do. I

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wanted to be my own boss. If I was going

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to do something, I didn't want someone telling me what

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I could do. Already had that teaching, so I really

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wanted something that I could make my own. But I

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didn't want to have a brick and mortar and we

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didn't want to buy a franchise or something like that.

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So just on a whim, I got invited to this

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event and I thought, oh, this would be fun. I

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could maybe make a little extra money, and I had

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no idea. So I did that while I was still

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teaching and realized really quickly, Oh, if I actually put

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my effort into that, I bet you I could replace

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my income, which I did in.

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Speaker 1: A year, and be home with your kids and be home.

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Speaker 2: So then you're juggling. It creates different issues. Now I'm

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home all day and then I'm trying to get this

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business in and then maybe in the evenings. But I

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was home with my kids. I wasn't doing daycare. It

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was it was amazing, and that's when I had two

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two boys. So I did that business for twelve years

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and I did really well. I mean I earned all

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the trips and all the accolades. It was amazing. And

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then two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, twenty

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ten market crashed, real estates really really bad, and my

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business was.

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Speaker 1: Which is what Chris is it?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, So that four and a half years that

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he had spent up north away from his family was

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to build our retirement, our future, and it was. It

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was an amazing project, but it was it's a whole

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nother podcast, but basically some illegal things were happening with

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the owners that Chris obviously wasn't aware of, and it

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went into foreclosure. Basically it was Ponzi scheme happening in

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some ways. And so we had twenty six rental properties

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up there. We had more than anyone else, even their owners.

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This was going to be our retirement and lost it all,

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lost it all. It's about three three million something.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So and then my business was more of a luxury,

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not a luxury, just not something in demand when economy

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was tight. So now my income goes down and I'm thinking,

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oh my gosh, we're gonna be living on ramen noodles

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for a while. And that was a low point. But

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never once was I thinking we weren't gonna make it.

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I don't know why. I just I'm like, we built

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it once, we can build it again. I mean, it

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wasn't fun, but we both just were like, Okay, what

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do we need to do. So that's when we pivoted,

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and I was I got my real estate license and

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didn't really want to do that. But then my friend Beth,

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she watches She's gonna laugh when she watches this, but

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she's just been so instrumental in my life. But I

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had this is a god thing because six years prior

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I went, I got invited to go to this hormone

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conference in Iowa, Okay. And I never had my weekends free.

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I was coaching my kids and sports. We were busy,

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and I get invited to this conference. It's about hormones.

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I didn't even care about hormones, but I get invited,

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and something told me I was supposed to go. My

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mom was struggling with some stuff, so I'm like, sure,

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why not, I'll go spend some time with some women,

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you know. So I go to this conference. I'm in

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the bathroom and Beth is behind me in line, And

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what do you do when you're in a long women's line?

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You start talking to the person next to you, and

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so I forget. She lived in Madison at the time,

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and so, you know, we're just talking and I was

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doing my other business, she was doing a different business,

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and we just clicked, didn't share numbers. Nothing. Six years later,

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she moves to the town that I live in and

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she has this nutrition event with another friend of mine. Okay,

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I was invited, okay, but I couldn't go. Okay, and

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my friend said, oh my gosh, you need to meet

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my friend Susannah. She would be all about the stuff.

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She has a boy, you age, she's got kids at

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here athletes. And Beth says, oh my gosh, what's her

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last name? I think I met her. I know it

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helps that my name is a little bit different than

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you know, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So she gives her my number. She messages me,

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and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is so great.

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So we grab coffee and I remember her being really

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cool and I thought, oh, yeah, she's going to try

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to get me to join her business. Oh yeah, that's

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not happening because you know my stubborn personality. But interested No,

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But I did, like I thought she was cool and

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I'm like, you know, could use another friend. And so

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we met her coffee and I did. I thought, oh,

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this girl's really cool, but she's not going to get

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me and I was in a business like this, so

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just my my ego. Oh boy, yeah. So we meet,

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we have a great time, and then we decided to

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meet again. Now I'm just thinking, yeah, I really, you know,

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like her as a friend, and we'll get our kids

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together to hang out. So she had an agenda all along,

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because of course, who would not want me to join

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their business? But I was all them like, oh, my

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business is thriving, which was not true. But I just was,

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you know, protecting myself. And pretty soon, I think after

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the third or fourth time, I just was finally like,

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you know, I am interested. You know, your product seems

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really great and I think I could be really good

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at it. And by the way, my business is really

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not doing well. She's like really So ended up switching

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from the one company to this new company and oh

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my gosh, and I still use these products. I loved

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it and again did really well with this company, and

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it was just it was so fun. Beth and I

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had We went on tons of trips together, our families

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became super close. I mean, she is definitely my best friend,

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my sister in Christ, and she has been a prayer

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warrior for me and my husband and continues to do

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that and vice versa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's amazing.

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Speaker 2: She's amazing.

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Speaker 1: She's truly amazing, and she's the one who brought us

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together so.

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Speaker 2: Totally that I was her plus one at your wedding.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, because I had met you both very like soon.

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You know, it was like one of those I met

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you right in the middle of like my engagement period.

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So looking back, I'm so glad that you both could

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be there because it was a weird time.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so let's see, I forgot where I was

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going with this, so that's how I met her, and

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then I pivoted to this new business model and I

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stayed there until basically through COVID. Again, things shift when

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life happens, and the business model for me personally, with

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everything I was going through with Chris and then some

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things with me, it just I didn't have the zest

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and passion like I had, and you really do need

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to have that to be successful in that industry. You

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really have to have that drive. So that was.

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Speaker 1: Really in allah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, people will sense it if you're not all in.

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And that's how I was feeling, and so that's kind

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of how how things started in that at me to

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a couple of years ago. Yeah yeah, Okay, So.

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Speaker 1: Some of these things are in like the health and

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lifestyle space you of course have, in addition to Chris's stuff,

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your own health journey. Let's talk about that if you're

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willing to share kind of what happened with your health,

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how that changed, how that changed, what you view, what

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you put into your body, how a trip to another

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country may have affected some of that. Would love to

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hear this story or share this story exactly parts of it.

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Speaker 2: So I go to the dermatologists. I don't I guess

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I should preface always been super healthy, Chris and I.

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I mean, I can count on two hands the times

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I've been sick really in my whole life. I mean,

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my mom, we weren't vaccinated. I have my wisdom teeth.

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You know, it's like pretty pretty healthy person. We eat well,

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you know, just never really had to worry about my health,

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which it can be a bad thing because then you

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just take for granted that you're just always going to

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be fine, right.

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Speaker 1: So I go, are you concerned about anything that based

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on your family?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I mean again, just good genes. I think

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my parents were always really healthy. So I go to

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the dramatologists because I noticed this spot on my face,

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and they, you know, this is this is kind of

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the way it always works. So you go in, they

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do a skin check and then they say, oh, either

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you look great or oh this one, this one looks questionable,

477
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,519
so we should do a biopc. Now, I have been

478
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,839
in the hospital three times in my life to give birth,

479
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,279
so I'm not like a fan of hospitals. Never broken bones.

480
00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:46,160
I mean I broke my fingers having brothers, but that's

481
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,720
you know, that's it. And I kind of got swooped

482
00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:54,839
up in the this is what we do. So I

483
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,119
was like, oh, okay. So they do the biopsy and

484
00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:02,559
then I leave. I get the call that it's that

485
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,559
it is cancer. It's basil cell carcinoma, which is not

486
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,119
a life threatening cancer, but it's still cancer and you

487
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,119
need to deal with it. And then the woman who

488
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,839
called me, I remember I was in the parking lot

489
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,440
of hobby lobby, and she says, so it's stuff for

490
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:22,400
you cancer. But because it's where it is, it's close

491
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,319
to your eye. We need to have you see an

492
00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:27,359
ocular surgeon. Okay, well I don't know that like set

493
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,079
me off. I'm thinking, oh my gosh, okay, well this

494
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:31,039
sounds really serious.

495
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

496
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: That wasn't the worst of it. This is insane to

497
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,599
me that seeing it out loud, I know you'll relate though.

498
00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:42,200
She then says to me, and to go in and

499
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,400
meet with him, you know, or to do the surgery,

500
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,640
you're gonna have to get a COVID test, and I

501
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,920
lose it. I literally lose it.

502
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm this poor woman, You're like what So I can

503
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:55,240
pad the numbers that CNN is putting.

504
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,839
Speaker 2: On their ticker, and it wasn't about the CONVID test.

505
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,880
But I literally like, are you kidding me? So I

506
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,839
didn't react negative. I mean, I was definitely concerned about

507
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,200
the fact that I was just diagnosed with cancer, but

508
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,240
I lost it about the COVID best getting the test.

509
00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:14,680
So I say to her, well, I'm not no one

510
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:16,279
is I'm not setting up an appointment to have a

511
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:18,400
surgery unless I meet with this person, Like I need

512
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,279
to know who this person is, especially because it's on

513
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:23,640
my face. So I go in, I schedule this appointment,

514
00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:26,920
and you know, trip he's triple mask. When he walks

515
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,680
and say right away, I'm thinking, oh, I'm not vibing

516
00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:33,200
with this person. And he's very stern with me. I

517
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,519
have my sea through mask, my mesh mask on my chin,

518
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,799
and he yells at me for not putting it on.

519
00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:42,119
I'm like, you can see my lips through it. But okay,

520
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,759
so I put it on and he starts. He pulls

521
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:48,839
up my space on this screen and he's like zooming

522
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,000
in and he goes, all right, so here's what we're

523
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,839
gonna do. We're gonna cut from here to here and

524
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,039
heet down here, and I'm just gonna tell you, Susana,

525
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:57,799
you're not gonna look the same. Okay. So when I

526
00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:01,160
hould my mask down because I'm like hyperventilating a little bit,

527
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,279
oh my gosh, put your mask back on. So and

528
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,480
I try to see him, Okay, you're a triple mast.

529
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,400
So he's like, I mean, he just he was this abrasive.

530
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: And are they effective or are they not?

531
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,599
Speaker 2: Because yeah, So then he you know, proceeds to tell me,

532
00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:15,599
I mean, I'm not even gonna describe it because it

533
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:18,359
was very graphic and I go, so, are you telling

534
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,799
me there's no other option? And he said, nope, this

535
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,240
is it. I'm like, okay, well I need some I

536
00:27:24,279 --> 00:27:26,880
need some time to you know, really processes. And he goes, well,

537
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,000
you know, I'm the best that there is. So then

538
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:31,960
I stand up and I'm like, thank you very much,

539
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,759
but I don't think this is a fit. And I

540
00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:37,480
start to walk out. So I get to my car

541
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:39,440
and I did have a little pity party in my car.

542
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,880
I did have a meltdown. And then I was like,

543
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,319
like Susannah style, you know, just put big girl pants on.

544
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,480
And I started calling everybody I knew while I was

545
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:50,480
still in the parking lot. Okay, you know, asking people

546
00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:53,440
to do you know anyone that is a holistic dermatologist,

547
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,839
you know, do what? What are my other options? And

548
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,519
so really came up empty handed. But I have a

549
00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:07,640
friend who is integrative I don't know what functional nutritionist,

550
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,519
and I think she does some chiropractic. And she said,

551
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:11,839
you know, I don't have I'm not well versed in this,

552
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,240
but anyone that has ever come to me with cancer,

553
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:16,200
I tell them to go to a place called Hope

554
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,400
for Cancer. I know nothing about this place. I google it.

555
00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:21,559
I set up a phone call, like that's how much

556
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:24,400
I trusted this person. And I have a phone call

557
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,160
and I find out, oh, they're in Mexico. Okay, it

558
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,880
was maybe not the right fit for me, but I

559
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,759
watch all the videos and I think, Okay, this actually

560
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,759
might be something. So I talked to my husband about it.

561
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,279
And this is now months. I mean, I've done a

562
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:44,880
lot of research. I've tried some more holistic things. Nothing's

563
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,279
really working for me. And I finally make the decision

564
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:51,920
to go down there. And it was an investment. Of course,

565
00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:55,279
it was a big investment, and I know it was,

566
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:58,400
you know hard. I felt a little guilty, but I

567
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,599
did not know what else to do. And the best

568
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,319
thing that happened was the fact that I was open

569
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,359
minded and I knew, Okay, I'm healthy, I've got a

570
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,079
lot of energy. I never get sick. Something's going on, though,

571
00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:20,119
and so the fact that this is, I mean, this

572
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:24,160
amazing clinic where they're going to dig deep and oh

573
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,160
my gosh, it was it was kind of fun because

574
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:29,680
you know, I was a little I did to admit

575
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,119
the first day, I was like, I don't want anyone

576
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,119
ask me why I'm here. This is a little embarrassing.

577
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:37,680
They're all, you know, stage two, stage four, you know, metastatic,

578
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,759
and I'm like, oh, I have, you know, skin cancer

579
00:29:39,839 --> 00:29:43,319
on my face. But I mean everybody I met, they

580
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:47,039
were like, why would you not want to that's your story?

581
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,680
Like why would you not want to share that? So

582
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,279
I was like, you're right, you're right, Yes, still something

583
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:53,720
I have to deal with. And actually I heard from

584
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,559
a lot of people I wish that I was someone

585
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,200
like you who had come to a place like this

586
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,680
to learn how to heal my body before where it became,

587
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,359
you know, metastanic cancer or something like that.

588
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,079
Speaker 1: So that's also just such a common thread. I don't

589
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:10,079
know if it's for men too, but for women in

590
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,880
so many areas of our lives where you know, the

591
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,000
comparison game is not good, and we do it a

592
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:20,000
lot in the opposite direction, where we compare, you know,

593
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,960
we compare what we have or whatever to other people,

594
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,440
and social media obviously fuels that and whatever, But we

595
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,240
also do it the other direction, where we compare our

596
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,400
good fortune to other people's maybe not as good a fortune.

597
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,920
And I use fortune very loosely obviously. I believe it's

598
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,200
all like God ordained totally, but like that's a lie

599
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,599
from the enemy. Like the path that you are on

600
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,880
that the Lord is leading you down is yours, and

601
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,279
it's all different. And whether it comes to marriage and

602
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:54,319
looking for a spouse or having a health issue or

603
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:59,000
infertility or buying a house or your job or whatever,

604
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:00,880
it's like, there's all aways somebody who's going to have

605
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,799
it better than you. There's always somebody who's going to

606
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:04,880
have it worse than you. But you don't not share

607
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,599
your story because somebody has it worse than you, because

608
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:10,680
the Lord needs you to tell your story also. And yeah,

609
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,160
so that's just I've been thinking about that a lot

610
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,079
lately actually, And so I love that you brought that

611
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,599
up because I think that's that's great advice that the

612
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,519
other people I hope for cancer gave you. And totally yeah,

613
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:22,079
And there.

614
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,799
Speaker 2: Is the patience that said that.

615
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,519
Speaker 1: Right, And I was like, you're right, the people who

616
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:27,319
do have it worse, Yeah, totally.

617
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:28,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

618
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:37,160
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619
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620
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621
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622
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623
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624
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625
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626
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629
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think you know, you go down there

630
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,119
for twenty one days, so I you know, being in

631
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,720
Mexico in January in.

632
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: The Midwest, I'm going to complain about it. That was

633
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:20,640
pretty great.

634
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:25,599
Speaker 2: But you know, I had to like reframe my thinking where,

635
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,720
you know, why I'm healthy, why would this happen to me?

636
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:37,240
Or you know, the whole Like I told this story

637
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:40,480
today too that if it had been on my back,

638
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,039
let's say, I would like to think that I still

639
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:46,160
would have made the same decision. But you know, it's

640
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,319
easy to be like, I know, you know, just cut

641
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:50,279
it off, Yeah, cut it off. It's just easy, yeah,

642
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,519
and get back to my thing. But I believe that

643
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:58,039
this has all been orchestrated for a purpose, and that's

644
00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:02,759
not where it was because I couldn't do that, and

645
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:06,279
now all the things that I've learned, and I am

646
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:09,279
not an expert. I am I know this much compared

647
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:13,279
to many people, but it's just my story. And so

648
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:17,440
I feel like my friends, my family, my extended family.

649
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:20,920
I mean I've really been able to help them heal

650
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:24,400
from things or at least share some hope or give

651
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,880
them some tools because of the things I've learned. And

652
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,640
to me, that is that's amazing, you know, yeah, to

653
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,240
be able to do that.

654
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what are like some of the things that

655
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,160
you learned there that you've integrated.

656
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so many things. I mean, first and foremost, it

657
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:48,359
was like juicing, fasting, red light therapy, coffee enemas. It's

658
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,799
like a big thing, but they're amazing. So and like

659
00:33:53,880 --> 00:34:00,480
hyperbaric oxygen ozone therapy obviously you know the things that

660
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:02,880
you eat. I mean they did like hair analysis, you're

661
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,319
in sample, I mean all of it, blood work, thermography, ultrasounds.

662
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,880
So you know, I left feeling like, well, I know,

663
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,559
I don't have anything else because they do every test.

664
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,199
So it was just, yeah, I learned about parasite cleanses

665
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,199
and I mean all these different ways you know, you

666
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,679
shouldn't be wearing sunglasses because it blacks the sun from

667
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,800
you know, getting to your you know, direct sunlight, which

668
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,400
produces melanin, which is a natural sunscreen. I mean all

669
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,360
these things. I'm like, we even lied to about so

670
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,360
many things, and it's all marketing. It's to sell a product.

671
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,679
They don't care that it might make you sick. It

672
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,519
is to sell a product. So so those were the

673
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:47,639
main ones. And then the most exciting one that I

674
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,880
was like, well, this is a no brainer was hydrogen water,

675
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,280
and so I started learning about that. I would recommend

676
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,320
anybody who is on a cancer journey for sure to

677
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,079
get doctor Tony's book. It's called Hope for Cancer. It's phenomenal.

678
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:05,320
But before I went down there, I had had a

679
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,119
conversation with someone who had already been there, because I

680
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:09,679
just wanted to know kind of what to expect. And

681
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,360
she said, because I wasn't leaving for a month, I

682
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,239
was going to go right after Christmas. And I said,

683
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,000
all right, what are three things I should do over

684
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,320
this month just to get me semi prepared? And she

685
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,199
said fasting I was already doing. I started adding like

686
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,519
three day water fasts instead of just intermit fasting and

687
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:27,360
then juicing, which I did not have a juicer at

688
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,320
the time, so I ordered a juicer that she recommended,

689
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,119
and then hydrogen water and I thought, okay, like as

690
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:34,239
at hydrogen a gas. I'm so confused. I've never heard

691
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,719
of this before. And so she sent me this information

692
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,400
and we looked at it, and Chris looked at it

693
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,239
and he said, well, this is a no brainer because

694
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,039
he was still dealing with his stuff and basically the

695
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:49,039
science behind what hydrogen water can do is insane and

696
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:51,880
it's really it's linked to I think over one hundred

697
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:57,599
and seventy disease models, like having a positive effect cancer, Parkinson's, well, Alzheimer's,

698
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:01,880
like all these things. Yeah, So we bought it and

699
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,920
it sits on our counter and all of our water

700
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,960
comes through that, and then we use it for we

701
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,719
really our goal with STAM have a non taxic home,

702
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:13,840
so no cleaners. So it produces like hyperglorous acid, which

703
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,719
is non toxic, but it's stronger than bleach. You can

704
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,440
use to clean your fruits and vegetables and so many

705
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:24,000
medicinal benefits. It's just yeah, awesome. I love it.

706
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:26,079
Speaker 1: So cool, yeah, and so cool to have tools to

707
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:30,800
carry with you at Post Mexico and for the rest

708
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,960
of your life. You know, yeah, I actually know a

709
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,719
handful of people who have gone to Hope for cancer

710
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,119
and it's so cool to hear their stories because they

711
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:43,440
learned so much. And this past week, I actually I

712
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,800
spent a week essentially in the hospital visiting someone else

713
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,880
who was in the hospital. I was not in the hospital,

714
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,800
but being in that environment pretty much not stop for

715
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,320
a week, and then having because I was helping advocate

716
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:01,320
for this person, having conversations with medical and nurses and

717
00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:06,199
so called patient advocates and an oncologist.

718
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:09,079
Speaker 2: So eye opening.

719
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,599
Speaker 1: And I am not one of those people who doesn't

720
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:15,920
go to the doctor. I do. I actually have really

721
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,760
great doctors, so you know, it all depends on your experience.

722
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,719
But being in an environment where I was removed from

723
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,519
the providers I had chosen and instead was just kind

724
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:27,679
of face to face with like the medical system in general,

725
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,840
and who you're at the mercy of that happens to

726
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,800
be the person on call or whatever. And you know,

727
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,559
I'm not poop pooing everything like modern medicine. There's so

728
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,079
much that we have that's truly like praise God because

729
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,559
you know, my mom wouldn't be here today without you know,

730
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,880
so many of the advancements that we have. But just

731
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,360
like having a conversation with an oncologist where you're asking

732
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:57,119
a question about I specifically asked about dietary recommendations for

733
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,639
this person that I'm advocating for who has cancer. And

734
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,119
we'd already talked about all of the medical stuff. We'd

735
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:05,840
already talked about, you know, the fact that there was

736
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,000
no other real like option for curing this cancer, and

737
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:12,960
so I just asked about dietary recommendations for what would

738
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,159
you suggest? Are there swaps that we could do this

739
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,760
instead of this, or things that should be removed from

740
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,760
the diet, you know, to help starve cancer cells or something.

741
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,119
And the oncologist like, you know, poo pooed me and

742
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:29,639
basically said, well, yeah, people always come in here and

743
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:32,320
talk about starve cancer cells. She's like, they use that

744
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,079
language every time, and she's like, that's just not a thing,

745
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,719
and she said and then she proceeded to essentially validate

746
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,400
what I had said by saying, I mean, should you

747
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,760
get rid of sugar out of your diet? Probably? And

748
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,880
I'm like, okay, well, is that not what I just said.

749
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:49,800
But also, I'm not asking, you know, is eating this

750
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,639
magical papaya from the Amazon right a silver bullet to

751
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:54,440
cure my cancer. That's not what I'm asking I'm asking

752
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,360
for dietary recommendations to help someone who's trying to you know,

753
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,320
food is fuel, and and it was just shocking to

754
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,840
me to have a person who is an oncologist, who

755
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,960
was specialized in this area of medicine, who has gone

756
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,280
through nursing school and medical school and come out credentialed

757
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,800
and now works in this hospital system to then respond

758
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,119
to that kind of a basic question with that kind

759
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:22,559
of an answer. It was it wasn't shocking to me,

760
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:26,800
but it was so it's wrong, upsetting to me.

761
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so funny. We saw the food that

762
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,079
they bring in yep, I mean guys, jellos, no.

763
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: Good, no good, and so so much, so much sugar,

764
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:39,679
so much, I mean, just horrible.

765
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,559
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you to give you an example of

766
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:43,800
the difference. So I'm there for twenty one days. We

767
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,000
did have Sundays off, so we were there six days

768
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,320
a week. Okay, you're eating raw vegan, which I'm not

769
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,440
really a huge fan of, Like my red meats, but

770
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:58,719
you know, grass bed. It was so amazing. The food

771
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,000
was so amazing. It's beautiful, it was colorful, it was

772
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:06,280
so tasty. I didn't think I needed to lose weight.

773
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,639
I lost sixteen pounds. Well, it was all inflammation, because

774
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:13,440
when you're eating a non inflammatory diet, guess what happens, right,

775
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:17,679
You lose th inflammation and inflammation is the root of

776
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:21,920
so many diseases. So for me, I ate less because

777
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,679
I was I wasn't hungry. I was being fueled by

778
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,480
this real food and I knew that, but I lived

779
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,360
it for three weeks. I'm like, this is actually so amazing.

780
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,760
And you know, I'm not a soda drinker. I really

781
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,800
don't drink I don't drink alcohol now, but I really,

782
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,639
you know, those days were you know, long ago, and

783
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:45,440
I'm not, you know, opposed to once in a while

784
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:47,440
having a good glass of wine or a good margarita,

785
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,360
but you know, normal, No, I just don't. I don't

786
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,039
feel like I need it. Plus now it's like you know,

787
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,239
when you know, you know, and so it's just more

788
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,360
toys than your body, right, So it was fascinating to me,

789
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,360
Like I felt like a million bucks, you know. Then

790
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,039
you're in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber for an hour a day,

791
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:08,559
which is like you get out feel like you could

792
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:13,320
run a marathon. Vitamin CIVS, red light there. I mean,

793
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,320
it was just it was incredible. Yeah, and this is

794
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,159
why people go there who are told by their oncologists,

795
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:21,960
you have six months to live, you have three weeks

796
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,760
to live. I don't know who these doctors think they are,

797
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,159
that they can put a death sentence on somebody an

798
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:32,599
expiration date. And these people go and they're like, well,

799
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,960
you know, I might as well throw everything at it.

800
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,760
And they you would walk into this place and you

801
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,280
minus maybe one or two. There's thirty patients there at

802
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,360
a time, although I think they've expanded. You would not

803
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,480
think it. You couldn't tell the difference between the spouse

804
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:50,639
or the person with cancer, except the person with cancer

805
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:54,280
had a robuon right. Literally, Wow, they looked so good.

806
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. What is like the craziest story you know from

807
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,000
there of like someone who was essentially given a death

808
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:04,159
sentence who or maybe you don't know enough about the

809
00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:05,960
other stories to me.

810
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a woman Kate who had I want

811
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,519
to say, she had eleven lesions on her brain and

812
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:15,840
she was like it was bad, she was going to die.

813
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,880
She had a six year old daughter, I think, single mom.

814
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:22,760
And she came for three weeks and then I think

815
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,199
she actually came for more than that. I think she

816
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,639
was there for six weeks and got home and followed

817
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:31,400
the protocol and did all the things and she is clean.

818
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,960
Well yeah, wow. I mean there's many stories of people

819
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:37,519
that a good friend of mine went with. I think

820
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:41,159
it was stage three breast cancer. And here's the other thing.

821
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:43,480
And this is not I'm not telling anyone not to

822
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:46,920
do certain treaments. It's not I would. I would advise

823
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,079
my family like my you know, my mom or my sister,

824
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:55,199
if they called me to not do chemo, try other

825
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,360
things first.

826
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,199
Speaker 1: But and different things and different times call for to

827
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,679
different treatments like totally.

828
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:05,559
Speaker 2: And I think the biggest message, I feel like the

829
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:08,440
biggest message that people forget is that when you get

830
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:13,760
a diagnosis, rarely is it eminent. Like you're if you

831
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,239
don't make a decision today in this office, you're going

832
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,039
to die tomorrow. You can take a pause, you can

833
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,480
take a break, you can get a second opinion, you

834
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:27,199
can pray, you can you know, look into a holistic clinic.

835
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,679
Many insurances now will cover it if you're you know

836
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,280
I mine didn't, but or at.

837
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: HSA or something, yeah, probably get helps.

838
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 2: A lot of people will do go fundmes or gifts

839
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,920
and goes. I mean, people are very generous. And so

840
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,480
that's the thing I think people, you don't have to

841
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,880
have this knee jerk reaction. And and unfortunately many oncologists like,

842
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,599
this is business and if they're afraid you're going to

843
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:54,239
walk off the door and you know, go get a

844
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,719
second opinion, they're not happy about that. So, like my

845
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,639
mom right now has a basil cell spot on her

846
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:07,119
face and they're basically harassing her to come in and

847
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:10,360
deal with it. And I'm like, if they call you again,

848
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,360
give me the number. I will call them. This is ridiculous.

849
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,119
Speaker 1: That was another vibe in the in the hospital when

850
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,800
I was there this past week was there was one

851
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,559
patient advocate again in air quotes in particular, that my

852
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:25,599
husband and I were like, she's a vulture. She's circling

853
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:28,679
around like essentially waiting for this person to die or

854
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,800
to be moved. It's like, you know, give me your money,

855
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,239
give us the bed, like whatever it is, it is

856
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,639
it's such a the profit motive is just so you know,

857
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:41,039
the incentives are not there to actually heal. And again,

858
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:45,039
like this does not go for all healthcare practitioners, absolutely not, right,

859
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:48,280
you know, there's so many persons like there it's foolish

860
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,119
not to use some of the tools that we've been given.

861
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:53,920
And I guess I do think that goes both ways though,

862
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,519
where when it comes to the lifestyle changes and the

863
00:44:56,559 --> 00:45:00,239
dietary changes, why not why not make that change? Like

864
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:03,519
what's the downside even if you are seeking you know,

865
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,800
more traditional Western medicine like medical interventions, what's the downside

866
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,840
to doing other things too? And I think that about

867
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,599
you know, mental health stuff. It's not just physical health,

868
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,559
Like why not you know, talk to somebody who is

869
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:22,400
like a Christian that does counseling that can help you,

870
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,000
you know, replace like whatever that is with truth like

871
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,679
SSRIs are not your only option, you know, And there's

872
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,280
just there's so much out there, And I do think

873
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,320
like that's one benefit of where where we are now

874
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,559
because it's not just this one book or whatever. We

875
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:41,360
have so many people who are so well informed, and

876
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,760
just the access that we have to experts where you

877
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,440
don't need to just happen to live in the same

878
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,760
town as the person who does this. Well, you can

879
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,599
learn from you know, the experts. And again I use experts.

880
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:56,440
I'm not talking about the Anthony Faucius. I'm talking about

881
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,960
the people who actually know what they're talking about. You know,

882
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:02,480
the specialist in a field that like is actually practicing

883
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,880
good medicine that you can get so much from them,

884
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,199
from a podcast that they're on, or from a book

885
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,480
that they wrote, or from you know, articles that we

886
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:14,440
now have access to in our pockets because we have phones. Like,

887
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,920
there's just so much. And so then when you come

888
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,400
when you come face to face with healthcare practitioners who

889
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,320
are so awful, it's just such a reminder that while

890
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,880
we we don't have to do it this way, we

891
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:27,480
have others.

892
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: We're so far but that's just because mainstream most people

893
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:33,559
just have not been educated. So I you know, it's

894
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:35,519
not my job, but I think part of what I

895
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:39,519
love to do is just share. By sharing my story,

896
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:43,000
by default, it might have people go, wait, you did what,

897
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,119
why did you do that? And then they're so curious

898
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:50,079
and now you know, again I'm not an expert, but

899
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:53,280
there's that no light trust factor. So if I do

900
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,800
share something that about a certain tea or something that

901
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:00,800
why are you taking that? Well, this is what the

902
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,800
ingredients are and this is why. And you know, and

903
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,280
I obviously have people that I you know, send what

904
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,559
do you think about this? What do you think about this?

905
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,480
And they'll say, oh, actually that's really good or eh,

906
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,079
it's not really good. Do nothing for you.

907
00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's not just cancer. I mean, it's like

908
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,320
gas is you know, the pill is such a huge

909
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,320
thing for women, Like women have been lied to four

910
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,159
years and just even looking at the side effects, which

911
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:25,079
are actually just effects, Like if a pill does something

912
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:27,719
to you, it's not just an accident, Like it does

913
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,320
that thing to you, yes, And like how many women

914
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,639
have just had this prescribe to them as a band

915
00:47:33,639 --> 00:47:37,639
aid to fix whatever else and just ruin their lives.

916
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: And it's just like.

917
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: There is a better way and we can ask questions

918
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,400
and we don't just have to take the first doctor

919
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,320
who walks in the room and says I'm the best

920
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,320
at this, so therefore, you know, I'm going to take

921
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,239
a scalpel to your face.

922
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 2: Like, well, the other thing you just said that made

923
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,920
me think of you know, people yes, Let's say you've

924
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,519
been on a path for ten Ye'll say you've been

925
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:58,159
on birth control for fifteen years or you know, and

926
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,639
you start to realize, oh shoot, and maybe that's some

927
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,760
of my problems. You know, there are some really great

928
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,840
ways to detox your body, so it's never you know, yes,

929
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:12,519
did it do damage? Sure, potentially. You know, the goal

930
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:15,800
is to really be on nothing. You really should strive

931
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,800
to be on zero pharmaceuticals. My mom's eighty six and

932
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,559
she's on zero wow nothing Wow. I mean her cholesterol.

933
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:26,519
They tell her she needs to be on statins, and

934
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,239
that is not true. She does not have that high cholesterol.

935
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,800
So but she wouldn't have gotten on if she didn't,

936
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:35,599
you know know, or she wouldn't call me and say,

937
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:37,760
what do you think? I'm like, Mom, No way, like

938
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,360
two fifty. If you were at four hundred or three fifty, maybe,

939
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,159
but so I think this is where you know there,

940
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,000
it's not like, well, you know, I took that for

941
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:50,800
fifteen years, so I'm screwed, right. No, there's so many

942
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,800
ways to detox your body, and you start small.

943
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: Yep, you know, marginal changes are good.

944
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 2: So good. And I remember when when I went to

945
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,360
hope for camp. I had already been living a pretty

946
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:06,320
clean lifestyle and when I went to my nutrition appointment,

947
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,559
I love this woman, this doctor, and I was like

948
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,960
so excited. I was like okay, and Beth was with me.

949
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:15,679
She came down for five days to stay with me

950
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:18,480
because you can bring a guest and because my husband

951
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,000
couldn't travel, and she I'm like, you take notes. I

952
00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:23,199
just want to listen. So we were both like, okay,

953
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,239
what about this? What about this? She said, this is great.

954
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,519
Nobody comes into this appointment excited because they're I'm telling

955
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:32,840
them no more fast food, right, I'm like, best food, ew,

956
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:36,679
you know. So that was super fun, and I think

957
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,440
for her it was fun to see someone who came

958
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,079
in and really wanted to know, you know, wanting to

959
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:46,480
make changes. And I actually just this week finally have

960
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:49,400
an advocate here in Madison, a new doctor that I

961
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,360
found that, you know, I just I've been doing this

962
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,360
all on my own for three years, which is really exhausting.

963
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:57,559
And I'm a patient for life. Once you go to

964
00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:59,280
hot for cancer, you're a patient for life. You can

965
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,719
go back to pay for it. But so I can

966
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,360
email them anytime I want, I can send them my

967
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,239
blood work that they will, you know, look at it.

968
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,840
So that's amazing, awesome. But I really wanted that personal

969
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,199
connection and so I think that was orchestrated by God

970
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:15,480
as well, because she's a perfect fit for me and

971
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,320
she's actually going through healing from cancer as well, and

972
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,400
we just clicked. So I feel really good about having

973
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,360
somebody now like that I could go see in person fit.

974
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 1: Ye too, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Oh your story is so

975
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,559
cool about that, and I just, yeah, I hope people

976
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,320
know that there are alternatives and that also it's okay

977
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,639
to change your mind, Like yes, you can be an

978
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:43,239
absolute like diet coke guzzling, hospital going, you know, traditional

979
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,519
medicine person and decide that maybe I want to try

980
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:48,280
this other thing and there's no shame in that, and

981
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:48,760
that's all.

982
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: And I was big on intermitt and fasting for a

983
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,360
long time and then I realized I'm not. So when

984
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,199
my son got married, I was still feeling like, oh,

985
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,440
I've just got this little bit of extra weight that's

986
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,920
back and I don't I can't. I'm working out, I'm

987
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,360
eating well, and I wasn't getting enough protein. I had

988
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,320
to figure that out on myself. If I'm not starting

989
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,119
to eat until eleven. I can't get in one hundred

990
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,800
grams of protein. So I just one day I just

991
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,000
decided to start. I still have a twelve hour window,

992
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:18,239
sometimes thirteen, but I was eating right away in the morning.

993
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:19,880
They fell off. Wow.

994
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: Crazy.

995
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then my dress was too big.

996
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,119
Speaker 1: Oh no, what a horrible problem to have women hate

997
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:31,079
when that happens. Oh my word. Okay, So before I

998
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:33,679
let you go, I'm going to end this how I

999
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,320
have been ending it with all of my guests, which

1000
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,119
is a rapid fire around where I just ask you

1001
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:39,880
fun questions and feel free to elaborate if you want,

1002
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,559
but otherwise you can keep it short and soon if

1003
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:43,960
you want to. Okay, First of all, I want to

1004
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,159
know what you're reading.

1005
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: Right now, well, reading the Bible, because it's something that

1006
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,800
I have not I read a Bible Bible in the

1007
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,199
year or last year. Okay. And now I'm doing, you know,

1008
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,079
different books with a group of mine good friends. I'm

1009
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:02,840
also reading I always try to read like an entrepreneurship book.

1010
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:06,000
But Ray Higden is a is an author. He has

1011
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:10,239
his books are now like faith Driven Wealth, faith Driven

1012
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,519
on entrepreneurship. So I'm reading both of those right now?

1013
00:52:12,519 --> 00:52:15,159
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, cool, good good books. What are you reading

1014
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:16,280
in the Bible? Specifically?

1015
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 2: We're doing Ruth? Oh right now? Okay, which is my

1016
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,320
middle name? Oh?

1017
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: How lovely, very nice. Okay, we just got done talking

1018
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,840
about food as fuel and everything. But what is your

1019
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,880
guilty pleasure? Food like the hardest thing maybe for you

1020
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,679
to give up or to resist despite your I mean

1021
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,119
healthy wow, pro Well, I was going to ask you

1022
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:42,920
what your favorite cocktail is, too, so maybe that answers.

1023
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 2: I really enjoy tequila, good tequila, like really good tequila.

1024
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:51,440
I have a very high tolerance that came. It's a

1025
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,159
gift from my father maybe okay, and one of my

1026
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,840
kids has it as well, And so it's almost like,

1027
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,880
what's the point of drinking because it doesn't really affect

1028
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:04,440
me much. So I really enjoy a good a good margarita,

1029
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:06,280
or even just sipping on a really good tequila.

1030
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 4: Okay, maybe that I would say for food, I don't.

1031
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,000
I don't really have a sweet tooth. I really love

1032
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:17,480
chips and salsa. Oh, and like the healthy chips aren't

1033
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:18,599
nearly as good.

1034
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,199
Speaker 2: I try to stick with the healthy chips.

1035
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: That is true. I thought I had a corn allergy

1036
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,320
for a little while, so I switched to like grain

1037
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,280
free to rye chips, which were well. Part of the

1038
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,400
reason I thought I had a corn alergy was because

1039
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,519
this issue was never going away, and we eat like

1040
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,719
lots of Mexican food and like white chicken chili with

1041
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,519
tortilla chips, you know, like everything had corn in it,

1042
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,199
And switching to those healthy chips, it's like I acquired

1043
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:44,400
a taste for them. But man, when I decided the

1044
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,519
corn alergy was was real and I switched back to

1045
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:49,400
the real tortilla chips, I was like, Wow, have you

1046
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,559
tried vasa chips yet? Massa chips?

1047
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 2: No, I have a eato, but I really want to.

1048
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,400
They're probably like seventeen dollars a bag.

1049
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably. That's another thing is like nortia chips are cheap.

1050
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:02,519
Speaker 2: But but then you're kind of like, well maybe you're

1051
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:05,960
only supposed to eat handful.

1052
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: We don't need to go there.

1053
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,559
Speaker 2: Okay, edit that out?

1054
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:15,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, gone, Okay, what is Okay, let's start with

1055
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:18,519
what is one thing that you would tell your like

1056
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:19,840
twenty five year old self.

1057
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:25,159
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, how much time do we have? I think

1058
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:32,519
being a woman being raised to never complain, not allowed

1059
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:35,760
to really make mistakes. High achiever, so you got to

1060
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,760
get good grades, you got to be top athlete, like

1061
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,599
all these things. And I'm not saying that those things

1062
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:43,920
are bad. I mean I love doing those things. But

1063
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,039
it filtered into then, you know, as a mom and

1064
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:51,800
a wife, feeling like you could do it all, and

1065
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,960
then there was no room or no need to have

1066
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:56,679
God there because I had it all handled.

1067
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1068
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,119
Speaker 2: And I think the best advice I've been able to

1069
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:03,079
give my kids, or like Ashley or you know, my

1070
00:55:03,159 --> 00:55:06,760
younger self, would be, don't try to do that. It's

1071
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,360
okay to show your vulnerable side. It's okay if you

1072
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:10,880
make a mistake and just be like, well that didn't

1073
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,480
go like I planned. And I could do that as

1074
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:18,039
a teacher easily, yeah, but you know, doing that at home.

1075
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,159
And it's not that I didn't like help or whatever,

1076
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:23,000
but I didn't feel like I needed it, and so

1077
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,000
it kind of came a badge of honor. And then

1078
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,360
I realized I needed to set my kids straight because

1079
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:31,960
I don't want them to think that's what they have

1080
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:36,440
to find in a spouse, right, because you know that's

1081
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,960
not really real.

1082
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: YEP.

1083
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 2: I mean I want them to, you know, but you

1084
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,840
know the kids are like, mom, you're such a badass mom,

1085
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,719
and you know you kind of start to be like, well,

1086
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,440
yeah I am, and I fight would fight for my kids,

1087
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:51,159
and I did that in all the ways. But I

1088
00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:53,199
just think it's overrated to try to feel like you

1089
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:54,480
have to do it all. It's not.

1090
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:58,119
Speaker 1: Kind of it's overrated and not fulfilling. Totally, not as

1091
00:55:58,159 --> 00:55:59,119
fulfilling as you'd think.

1092
00:55:59,199 --> 00:55:59,599
Speaker 2: Totally.

1093
00:55:59,679 --> 00:56:02,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, on the flip side of that, what is

1094
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:05,239
your favorite thing about your current stage of life?

1095
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Well, it's really nice having adult children

1096
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:13,400
because they're much more fun. Yeah, we in what way?

1097
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:15,440
Oh my god? You I mean my kids were pretty

1098
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:18,199
pretty easy, and I loved them when they were at

1099
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,760
every stage. But you know, we were just in Chicago

1100
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,760
for a weekend and laughed so hard. Literally, I was like, stop,

1101
00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:30,599
my face is hurting. We had so much when we're

1102
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:33,199
all crammed in one hotel room. I don't know why

1103
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:34,480
we thought that was going to be fun, but it

1104
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:38,639
was fun and just you know, you don't have to

1105
00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:40,559
worry about oh gosh, we got to get home, we

1106
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:43,239
got to put the kids to bed or and just

1107
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:46,440
you know, we really believed in parenting and not being

1108
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,960
friends with our kids, and now we can be friends

1109
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,360
of their kids. Yes, and it's really cool.

1110
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:54,599
Speaker 1: That's such an awesome switch and such a good way

1111
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:57,920
to put that, because you know, I'm not a parent yet,

1112
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,239
but like, there's a lot of people get that backwards,

1113
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,719
and it's hard to I'm sure hard to find that

1114
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,639
line because you want to be friends with your kids.

1115
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:09,400
Of course it doesn't work, but I'm sure you can

1116
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,480
be friends with your kids now because you weren't friends

1117
00:57:11,519 --> 00:57:13,119
with them when they were kids. And that's a cool

1118
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:14,480
that's a cool crossover.

1119
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:16,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, I love that.

1120
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: What is your favorite brick and mortar like store to

1121
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:21,880
shop in?

1122
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:29,119
Speaker 2: Oh? I do like everyve Okay for like clothes. Okay,

1123
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:31,840
there's a cute little place in Okamla called Frey. I

1124
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,800
like that place. Okay, don't really do a whole lot

1125
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,239
of you know, I have what I need? Yeah, grab

1126
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:40,840
a sweat, new sweater here and there, love shoes, love boots, Okay,

1127
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,519
so you know, but I get all that online.

1128
00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, where did this sweater come from? Because it's super cute.

1129
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 2: This is from Zara. I got in in Florida when

1130
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,519
I was at my business conference two weeks ago.

1131
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:51,079
Speaker 1: Nice, it's super cute. It's a great color.

1132
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:51,599
Speaker 2: I love it.

1133
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:54,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, this is probably gonna be my last one.

1134
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:56,280
What is your favorite conspiracy?

1135
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,519
Speaker 2: Oh? Girl, are you kidding me?

1136
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: I knew I was opening a can of worms here.

1137
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

1138
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:07,239
Speaker 1: Like either because you find it super odd and like

1139
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,280
totally out there, or like the one that you're like,

1140
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:11,440
I can't believe I believe this.

1141
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,119
Speaker 2: I can't believe I believed it.

1142
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: Sure, yes, can't believe you no longer believe it.

1143
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,519
Speaker 2: Oh well, it's like knowing who's going to see this. Okay,

1144
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:24,760
there's so many.

1145
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: You don't have to reveal that if you don't want.

1146
00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:32,159
Speaker 2: Are so many. I mean the moon is like so

1147
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:33,440
obvious to me.

1148
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:40,599
Speaker 1: Like the moon landing. Yes, okay, Like that's your favorite conspiracy?

1149
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:42,199
I mean, and you currently believe it?

1150
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: Yes?

1151
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:50,119
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, never happened. My husband's on Lord now and

1152
00:58:50,199 --> 00:58:53,000
there we have so many friends and there's I mean,

1153
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:54,960
that's that's not that's a minor one.

1154
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: That is so funny. I mean, just time to reconvene

1155
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,639
the Patriot Zoom so we can get everybody on board.

1156
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,280
Is so fun, so funny. Oh my word, I love it.

1157
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:05,239
I love it. Do you want to close the can

1158
00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:05,880
of worms there?

1159
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:10,159
Speaker 2: I mean there's you know, there's some dark ones that

1160
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:12,920
are really sad, so we don't have to go there.

1161
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,639
We don't want to end on a dark but no,

1162
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,159
I think the fun thing is I feel like so

1163
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:20,320
many conspiracy theories. I would never have considered myself that,

1164
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:24,440
but you learn one and then you're like, well what

1165
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,920
about this? What about this? And pretty soon you have

1166
00:59:28,039 --> 00:59:29,719
these people in your life that will come to you

1167
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,440
with something you're like, yeah, that's probably a lie too,

1168
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,360
Yeah yeah, which Jobby lie to and.

1169
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: Be a very dangerous game because you lose you lose

1170
00:59:36,519 --> 00:59:38,960
touch with reality because there's nothing tethering you anymore, like

1171
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:41,639
if you're just if it's just like this was another

1172
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:44,480
problem with COVID because once we lost trust in the

1173
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:47,360
experts and it was like everything's a lie? Yes, where

1174
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,960
does that end? I know, you know, like it can

1175
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,400
media are lying and the institutions in Hollywood, I mean

1176
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you can, it's like okay, touch grass, Like, yeah, a

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lot of people lie, and a lot of people who

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lie hold positions of power. But also there are things

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that are true and are real, And I think, like,

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thank God we have faith and the Gospel well, because

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it's like we actually know what's real.

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Speaker 2: So then you can bring back to that, because I think,

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what is the best thing that happened out of COVID?

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Besides I mean, you know, being saved again? Was that? Really?

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None of it matters whether this is true or not,

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whether this person's real, whether this person, I mean, there

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are so many things it really doesn't matter because God

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is in control, and really it's a distraction. Yeah, we

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are meant to go down all these rabbit holes and

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we want to know, and then we want to try

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to fix and we want to try to tell everybody

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about it, and we want to I can make really

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light of a lot of them because if it's not true, okay, right,

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whatever I thought was true, right, or it's fine. I

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don't care if I'm wrong. It's entertaining, But I think

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it's entertaining to me and not triggering to me anymore

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because it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it all goes back to what we

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know to be true. And it's what a blessing to

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be able to build your life on that and let

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everything flow out of that it's deliberating.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so liberating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Susanna, I have had the best time. I always

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have fun with you, but it was so great to

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have you on the Kilie Cast. Thank you for joining

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me today. Thank you, thank you so much for tuning

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into this week's episode of the Kylie Cast. Once again.

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If you haven't done so already, please like and subscribe,

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leave a review wherever you get your podcasts on Spotify,

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Apple Podcasts, even better yet, YouTube or rumble. I will

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not be back next week with more because next week

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is Thanksgiving, so I will be spending time with my

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family and friends. I suggest you do the same, but

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we will be back the week after with more. Until then,

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just remember the truth hurts, but it won't fail you.