1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,719 my daily show prep with all of the links, become 6 00:00:18,719 --> 00:00:22,359 a patron, go to dpeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,960 hit the subscribe button, get every episode for free, write 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,320 to your smartphone or tablet, and again, thank you so 9 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:31,519 much for your support. What if I told you that 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:38,840 in Nigeria a Christian is murdered for their faith every 11 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:44,640 two hours, every two hours. Let me introduce you to 12 00:00:44,759 --> 00:00:50,439 Raymond Ibrahim. He is a distinguished Middle East expert, a 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,159 scholar providing insights into Islam, the West, the ongoing challenges 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,320 facing Christian communities worldwide. He is the author of several 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,840 books about the history of Islam and the West, specifically 16 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:08,280 about the intersection of religious ideology and warfare, and you'll 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,480 hear him discuss this. His latest book, which you can 18 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:14,560 pre order now, is called The Two Swords of Christ. 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:20,000 He also has written books entitled Defenders of the West, 20 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:24,560 The Christian Heroes who Stood against Islam, Sword and Scimitar 21 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,640 fourteen centuries of war between Islam and the West crucified again, 22 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:34,239 exposing Islam's new war on Christians. He wrote the al 23 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,519 Qaeda Reader and a book called The Battle of Yarmuk, 24 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,400 which if you've never heard of this, it's an amazing story. 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,280 So yesterday after the show, I had the opportunity had 26 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,959 the chance to chat with Raymond about some of this stuff, 27 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:56,560 but specifically about what's happening in especially in Africa with 28 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:01,319 the persecution, the murdering of Christian I came across your 29 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,840 YouTube channel a couple of weeks, maybe a month and 30 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,000 a half ago or so, and I've just watched I 31 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,360 think every episode, even the really long ones, And I 32 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,439 apologize for not having been aware of your work before, 33 00:02:15,479 --> 00:02:17,280 but you've been doing this for a very long time, 34 00:02:17,319 --> 00:02:19,960 since like twenty eleven. I want to say, so, if 35 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,080 we could just condense like your twenty years of research 36 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,879 and expertise along with like fifteen hundred years of this 37 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,879 I'm into like fifteen minutes, we'll be fine. We'll be 38 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,800 good to go. So let's start with the thing that 39 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,280 prompted me to reach out to you, actually, which was 40 00:02:34,319 --> 00:02:38,759 about the Christian persecution that's going on around the globe. 41 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,840 So you've been monitoring this for twenty years, right, and 42 00:02:41,879 --> 00:02:44,800 you've been doing these monthly updates. I am embarrassed. I've 43 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,599 never heard of these before. So tell us first, like 44 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,400 where do you get this information from? And then we'll 45 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,960 get into sort of what the data shows. 46 00:02:53,879 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: Sure, So the musclim persecution of Christians has been one 47 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,439 of my fortes in that I've been really following it 48 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:01,759 for a law long long time, actually over more than 49 00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:04,840 twenty years. My first published article on that topic was 50 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:07,639 probably twenty years ago. But what you're referring to in 51 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,039 twenty eleven is when I started compiling reports, which I've 52 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,120 still been doing so for fourteen years, monthly reports, and 53 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:20,199 I get this information from a variety of sources. Sometimes 54 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:23,039 it's the mainstream media if the attack is spectacular and 55 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,560 graphic enough and they are forced to cover it, I'll 56 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,080 use I can use some of them, but more often 57 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,599 than not, it's sort of smaller organizations, human rights groups, 58 00:03:32,039 --> 00:03:36,319 and sometimes individuals, including on the ground and often in 59 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,120 different languages like Arabic that I get it from. Because, 60 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,240 as you can imagine, it's not exactly a topic that's 61 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,919 being as you mentioned, you know, you don't know about it, 62 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,800 and it's not really your faults because the media doesn't 63 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,319 want to talk about it even though it's really a 64 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:52,360 big topic. So yeah, I've been doing that for a 65 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,360 long time. My twenty thirteen my book Whus Fight Again, 66 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,960 is devoted to it, and it really gets into the 67 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,199 doctrines and the histor ties, the past and the present together. 68 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,199 And you know, from a personal level. It all started 69 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,800 because my family comes from Egypt, were cop to Christians, 70 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:14,479 so we have a long appreciation of Islam and you 71 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,160 know how it behaves vis a v. The Infidel. So 72 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,560 even in my youth, I already was hearing stories and 73 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:24,040 quite acquainted with this phenomenon and yeah, that's that's it 74 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:24,720 in a nutshell. 75 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,199 Speaker 1: So you were born in America, but these were stories 76 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:29,680 that you heard growing up from your family that came 77 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:30,720 from Egypt. 78 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, I mean the first time I was introduced 79 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,439 to this topic was in my very early youth from 80 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,000 family members and relatives who would visit. And I also 81 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:44,079 visited the region and saw it firsthand as well. So yeah, 82 00:04:44,079 --> 00:04:46,480 that's the sort of the genesis of my interests. But 83 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,240 since then I've more you know, focused on it from 84 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:50,920 a more professional kind of level. 85 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, if it's something that you're interested 86 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,680 in and you can pay to research it like that 87 00:04:56,759 --> 00:04:59,920 sounds like best of both worlds. So the one that 88 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,480 one of the stories that did break through Nigeria recently, 89 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,800 and I heard you talk about this on one of 90 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,040 your episodes that it was framed, and when you said it, 91 00:05:09,079 --> 00:05:11,040 I was like, I had no idea this is this 92 00:05:11,079 --> 00:05:12,959 is what I thought too. And I follow the news 93 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,360 pretty closely. I mean I've been doing this now, you know, 94 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:18,360 twenty years. I followed the news really closely, and I 95 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,560 had heard this, Oh it's against the the farmers and 96 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,920 the herdsman and that's the fight. And there was this 97 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:29,160 massacre over like between farmers and herdsmen, and I was like, huh, okay, 98 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:31,360 well that's weird. But you know, I'm not I don't 99 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,399 know anything about Nigeria and their politics or land use disputes, 100 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:38,839 but that wasn't what really this is about, right, No, 101 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:39,480 not at all. 102 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 2: That's exactly how the media and politicians like to dissemble. 103 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,720 You know, there's a kernel of truth to it that 104 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:48,839 most of the attackers are herdsmen and nomad's. They're known 105 00:05:48,879 --> 00:05:52,240 as the Fulani and most of those being attacked are 106 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,879 set in tree farmers, but behind the scene, the Fullanies 107 00:05:55,879 --> 00:05:58,240 are Muslim and the set in tree farmers are Christians, 108 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:04,199 and the Fulani habitually articulate their raids as a ghod. 109 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:10,199 I quoted once a Christian nun, a sister sister something 110 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:13,000 I forget her name from Nigeria, and she said, it's 111 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,439 hard to call this a land dispute when those attacking 112 00:06:15,519 --> 00:06:20,040 are wearing black like Isis, chanting Koronic phrases and saying 113 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,399 kill the infidels on allha akbar. So it's absolutely a 114 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,000 g hod from the Muslim side, and they are focusing 115 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,040 on Christians, and sometimes Muslims also get killed because a 116 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:33,240 lot of times there's moderate Muslims living amongst Christians in 117 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,120 these villages, and the Muslims have even you know, the 118 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,399 groups and the Islamic groups. They're like Bokoharam and other 119 00:06:38,519 --> 00:06:41,279 Islamic terror group have rationalized that you can kill those 120 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,199 Muslims because they're just as good as infidels, because they 121 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,439 live with Christians and you should hate Christians according to 122 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,199 Islamic teaching like Qoran sixty forty and so forth. So yeah, 123 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,480 it's absolutely a religious persecution of Christians. A lot of 124 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,160 human rights groups call it a genocide. You're probably referring. 125 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,759 I spoke to a priest there, and you know, he 126 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:03,639 confirmed everything that I knew. I again, because I've been 127 00:07:03,639 --> 00:07:06,360 following the persecution of Christians in general for a long time. 128 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:09,600 Nigeria has definitely been you know, at the four of 129 00:07:09,639 --> 00:07:12,800 that because you can't escape it. There's more Nigerian Christians 130 00:07:12,839 --> 00:07:14,879 get killed in any Christian in general. I think the 131 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:18,600 number is two per one per one every two hours 132 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,279 in general. So twelve Christians every single day in Nigeria, 133 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:24,560 three hundred and sixty five days a year are slaughtered 134 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,519 for their faith and thousands of churches have been destroyed. 135 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,800 But yeah, you don't know, those black lives don't matter 136 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:33,879 apparently because they're Christian and there's no political agenda that 137 00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:37,879 can be used to you know, to to exploit this with. 138 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, And the priest was asking for attention, 139 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:45,240 asking for help. The I believe he said, the Nigerian 140 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:50,160 government is not helping to defend them. I mean, it's 141 00:07:50,199 --> 00:07:53,199 just it seems I don't know, it seems I don't 142 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:56,800 want to say hopeless, but it seems it's very frustrating. Yeah, 143 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:57,839 it's discouraging. 144 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems serren Actually, yeah, the government has been 145 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:06,319 well known to It's not only that. There's multiple anecdotes 146 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:10,639 that have come from local Christians, including Christian leaders are 147 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:13,920 in priests and bishops from those regions saying that, you know, 148 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:16,319 the military is in the region, but once the terrorists come, 149 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,279 they just leave or turn a blind eye. And even worse, 150 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:23,319 there's been actual instances where people say the military provides 151 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:26,839 them with cover and yes they did this arm you know, 152 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,480 the people of Nigeria, but the terrorists always have weapons 153 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,879 for some reason, these guys who are operating supposedly illegally. 154 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:34,679 So for a lot of Christians in Nigeria, this is 155 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,919 actually intentional and the government is somehow in cahoots with 156 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,720 the some nefarious agenda that is exploiting Islamic jihadism, the 157 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:46,720 vsav these poor Christian farmers. Remember, Nigeria is about half Christian, 158 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,320 half Muslim and in a way, it's also a reflection 159 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:53,279 of what happens when you have you know, equal forces 160 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,840 of Muslims and Christians or non Muslims living side by side. 161 00:08:56,919 --> 00:09:00,159 It's interesting because there's a whole dynamic about numbers and 162 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:02,519 when the numbers are very few, you know, let's say 163 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,759 in America, how Muslims behave is a certain way, and 164 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:08,200 then when they grow, like in Europe, then they behave 165 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,799 another more aggressive way until you get to what you 166 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,879 have in Nigeria. And then when of course it's ninety 167 00:09:12,919 --> 00:09:15,200 or one hundred percent Muslim, then is you know, Christianity 168 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,440 is snuffed out altogether, like in Saudi Arabia for instance. 169 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,039 Speaker 1: So in Nigeria, according to the reporting, sixty two thousand 170 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:27,120 Christians have been killed since two thousand, sixty two thousand 171 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,279 over the course of the last twenty five years. The 172 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:33,639 International Committee for Nigeria refers to this as the Silent slaughter. 173 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:38,200 Now he mentioned some of those numbers, the population numbers, 174 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:43,799 and how that affects the aggression levels. Here's a great idea. 175 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,679 How about making an escape to a really special and 176 00:09:46,759 --> 00:09:49,919 secluded getaway in western North Carolina. 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That's ib 203 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:30,360 R a him Ibrahim Raymond Ibrahim dot com and there's 204 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,759 a link in the podcast so you can just click there. 205 00:11:34,879 --> 00:11:39,360 So he mentioned the numbers, specifically the population numbers. When 206 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:44,080 the Muslim population grows and eventually attains power, he said, 207 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,440 that's when we see the rights of Christians and Jews 208 00:11:47,399 --> 00:11:52,320 decrease or completely go away along with all the Christians 209 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,600 and Jews. I asked him if this was doctrinal or 210 00:11:55,919 --> 00:11:57,200 strategy of some kind. 211 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 2: I mean, it's fundamentally inherently it is doctrinal Islam teaches. 212 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,919 You know, I'm doing a deep dive again in one 213 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,200 of the what I consider the most dangerous doctrine of 214 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,240 Islam and basically, in a nutshell, commands Muslims to hate 215 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:14,320 non Muslims intrinsically, not because of what they do. And 216 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,440 there's these you know, leading jurists like ib Miltemeia who 217 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,200 say even if a non Muslim is good to you, 218 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,960 you have to hate him. And there's other Muslim cleric 219 00:12:22,039 --> 00:12:24,120 saying if you're married to a Christian or Jewish woman, 220 00:12:24,159 --> 00:12:27,159 which is permissible according to Islam, you have to hate her, 221 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,360 but you can enjoy her carnally, but you have to 222 00:12:29,399 --> 00:12:31,559 show her that you hate her. So hatred for the 223 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,639 infidel is an ironclad aspect. As I mentioned Koran sixty four, 224 00:12:36,159 --> 00:12:38,120 then youone can look it up if they have an 225 00:12:38,159 --> 00:12:41,919 actual accurate translation. It tells Muslims you have an example 226 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,279 in Abraham Ibrahim because he told his people we enmity 227 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,240 and hatred shall last between us until you become a Muslim. 228 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:52,679 So that is that's the you know, the bedrock verse 229 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,559 of the of the hostility. But beyond and above that, 230 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,960 specifically in regards to Christians and Jews, is Koran nine 231 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,200 twenty nine, which basically says fight the people of the book, 232 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:07,759 which Muslims have defined as Christians and Jews until they 233 00:13:07,759 --> 00:13:11,120 either pay tribute or become Muslim jizu as the tribute, 234 00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:13,960 or they become Muslim, or you fight them to the death. Okay. 235 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,320 And there's other verses which literally say Infidels are they 236 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,759 who say Jesus is the son of God. Infidels are 237 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:23,159 they who believe in a trinity and to be an 238 00:13:23,159 --> 00:13:26,080 infidel people don't understand this. The word caf in the 239 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,480 singular is basically to be a default enemy of Islam, 240 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,759 a sub human. Essentially, you're not even you know, you 241 00:13:32,879 --> 00:13:36,080 just exist to be conquered, trampled upon, subjugated, killed, whatever, 242 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:40,399 until you convert. Okay. So absolutely there's a doctrinal aspect 243 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,000 to it, and even more specifically, the details come out 244 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,360 in what's called the conditions or the stipulations of Omar. 245 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,720 And this is a document that is purportedly was written 246 00:13:50,799 --> 00:13:55,799 between the second Khalif Omar and the conquered Christians of Jerusalem, 247 00:13:56,039 --> 00:13:57,960 or there's some debate it could be the Second Omar 248 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:00,320 in the eighth century, but be that as it may. 249 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,519 It basically tells Christians you have to abide by all 250 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,879 these rules, okay, all of which by modern day standards 251 00:14:06,919 --> 00:14:12,240 are considered inhumane and absolutely have no fairness or equality. 252 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,759 You can't build churches, you can't repair churches. You can't 253 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,440 let a Muslim see a cross or a Bible. We 254 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,320 don't want to hear your praise or singing. If a 255 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,440 Christian wants to convert to Islam, and we could, you know, 256 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:28,600 Muslims convince him one way or the other. You can't interfere. 257 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:30,159 You have to stand up and give your seat to 258 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,279 a Muslim if they want it. You have to open 259 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,960 your door to Muslim travelers if they want it. So 260 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,559 that kind of thing was historically implemented, but it still 261 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,519 informs the mentality of a lot of Muslims because that's 262 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,960 the proper place of a Christian. He has to be 263 00:14:45,399 --> 00:14:48,320 subdued and a second class citizen at best, which is 264 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,519 why in many ways this is happening not just in Nigeria, 265 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:55,360 but essentially in any Muslim country that has Christian populations. 266 00:14:55,559 --> 00:14:58,639 And I'll close it just by saying that open doors 267 00:14:58,759 --> 00:15:01,639 kind of. A human rights organization publishes a report annually 268 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,919 called World watch List, which ranks the fifty worst nations 269 00:15:04,919 --> 00:15:07,879 in the world that persecute Christians and habitually, I've been 270 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:11,840 reading it for well over our decade. Every annual report 271 00:15:11,879 --> 00:15:14,799 about thirty seven thirty eight sometimes more of the fifty 272 00:15:14,879 --> 00:15:18,320 nations are Muslim nations. So I think that really underscores 273 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:19,320 what we're talking about here. 274 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: I want to I have the list number one. I 275 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,840 guess This is from the most recent one, the annual 276 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:30,279 report you ran through these numbers, North Korea was number one, 277 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,600 which I kind of found surprising for some reason. 278 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. 279 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:36,279 Speaker 1: I guess I didn't really ever consider it, but I 280 00:15:36,279 --> 00:15:40,159 guess not to defend the North Koreans, but they kind 281 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,960 of oppress everybody, so I guess it makes sense that 282 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,320 the Christians would be on that list too. 283 00:15:45,919 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's it's not that they Yeah, it's not 284 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:51,120 that they're pinpointing Christians. It's just that anyone who dares 285 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:54,799 go against the Supreme Leader, who's a cult figure essentially 286 00:15:55,159 --> 00:15:57,879 is the enemy, you know. And but one thing to 287 00:15:57,919 --> 00:16:00,360 keep in mind, because you're right, everyone gets shocked sometimes 288 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,000 when I talk about Islam, you know, the persecution Christians 289 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,279 by Muslims. People go, well, the worst countries North Korea. 290 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,440 There has nothing to do with Islam. And the simple 291 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:11,200 reply to that is, yeah, but that is also an aberration. 292 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:15,039 You know. It's not endemic to Korean society. Look at 293 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:17,679 South Korea where Christianity flourishes. So it's not a part 294 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,799 of Korean culture or anything intrinsic to it. It's just 295 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:27,480 one guy, okay, who is megalomania. Megalomaniac right, and if 296 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:31,360 and when he's gone, everything can completely change. In Islam, 297 00:16:31,399 --> 00:16:33,879 that's not the case. It's not this or that group, 298 00:16:34,039 --> 00:16:37,840 this terrorist leader or whatever. It's just the entire nation. 299 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,200 It's the entire civilizational block. Which is why when you 300 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,519 look at that list, those thirty seven thirty eight countries, 301 00:16:43,799 --> 00:16:47,519 Muslim countries, they're completely different. Now, they're different racially. You 302 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:53,240 have like Turks and Arabs, and Persians and East Asians, Indonesians, 303 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,879 the Maldas, you have Sub Saharan Africans, and they have 304 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,960 different socioeconomic situations and governments, and yet they all do 305 00:17:01,039 --> 00:17:05,400 the same sort of thing. Why Because it's Islam. 306 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,799 Speaker 1: That is the common denominator. It's what you were running 307 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:13,359 through earlier. It sounds a lot like supremacy, a supremacy ideology. 308 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way to see it. 309 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, like we're here, you're all there, and so 310 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,640 therefore we get to do all of these things to 311 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,119 you just based on our religion. 312 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: Basically, Islam is inherently a supremacist religion. You know here 313 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,000 in the West, everyone is so obsessed with racial supremacy 314 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,359 and that kind of idea. But there is such a 315 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,240 thing as religious supremacy, and it's alive and well in 316 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:38,119 the Islamic world. 317 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: I'll give you some of the other nations on that 318 00:17:40,279 --> 00:17:41,720 list in a moment. 319 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: You know. 320 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: Stories are powerful. They help us make sense of things, 321 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,480 to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the people of 322 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,799 our past while transcending generations. They help us process the 323 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,319 meaning of life, and our stories are told through images 324 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,160 and videos. Preserve your stories with Creative Video. Started in 325 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,079 nineteen ninety seven in Minhill, North Carolina. 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They 335 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,000 are your life told through the eyes of everyone around 336 00:18:38,039 --> 00:18:40,319 you and all who came before you. And they will 337 00:18:40,319 --> 00:18:43,680 tell others to come who you are, visit creative video 338 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,960 dot com. Yesterday after the program, I recorded this interview 339 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,039 with Raymond Ibrahim. You can read his work at Raymond 340 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,920 Ibrahim dot com. He's got a YouTube channel as well, 341 00:18:55,559 --> 00:19:00,000 and he also does these monthly reports since two thousand 342 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:04,079 and eleven for the Gatestone Institute, and he compiles this 343 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,880 data on a monthly basis. But then there is this 344 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,480 world watch list put out by Open Door that tracks 345 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:15,240 Christian persecution, the Sannuel Report of the fifty worst countries 346 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:19,599 to be a Christian in and what they reported this 347 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,880 year was the worst level of persecution ever. Twenty percent 348 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,279 of all Christians in Africa are persecuted. Forty percent of 349 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:32,319 Christians in Asia are persecuted. The worst offending nations number 350 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:38,319 one North Korea, number two, Somalia, number three, Yemen for Libya, 351 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:45,559 number five, Sudan, number six, Eritrea seven Nigeria. So even 352 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:48,759 though like the stat we had there before of one 353 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:54,400 Christian murdered every other hour every two hours in Nigeria, 354 00:19:55,279 --> 00:20:02,880 there's still just number seven on this list, followed by Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, India, 355 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:10,599 Saudi Arabia, Myanmar, and nine of these top thirteen countries 356 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,599 are Muslim countries, making up seventy percent of the worst 357 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:18,720 persecution from the national list. And here's another thing though 358 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:24,039 that may be shocking to hear. Canada. Canada is seeing 359 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,440 hundreds of churches being burned regularly, apparently, like there's a 360 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,079 whole bunch of churches getting burned in Canada. Once again, 361 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,799 member of the media here, I've seen nothing about this 362 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:34,519 at all. 363 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because it's not reported, and if it is, 364 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,160 they'll they'll pretend it's not ourson. But yeah, Canada, this 365 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,599 little country, which supposedly is liberal and free and et cetera, 366 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,119 has become sort of the epicenter of burned churches, even 367 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,519 more so than in Europe. The fact is, you know, 368 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:54,759 before we delve into Canada, a lot of people don't 369 00:20:54,839 --> 00:20:57,480 realize that all throughout the world, including in the United States, 370 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,559 and increasingly so not just Canada, churches are like almost 371 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:05,519 daily attacked in a lot of vile ways. Feces smeared 372 00:21:05,559 --> 00:21:08,720 on them, you know, people urinating on alters, breaking crosses, 373 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:12,680 decapitating statues. That's like a I mean, if we talk globally, 374 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,920 several several churches experienced that every single day, so it's 375 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,920 definitely a growing thing. But in Canada it's really bad, 376 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,079 and it got really bad a few years ago. There 377 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,680 was an actual spate of attacks. That's when the media 378 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:26,039 kind of spoke about it. There was something like thirty 379 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,119 or forty attacks on churches and maybe in a month, 380 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,480 and the pretext was these graves maybe you heard about 381 00:21:32,519 --> 00:21:35,839 these native graves were found and the long story short 382 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,680 is supposed the idea came out that Catholic missionaries were 383 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,680 somehow torturing natives and burying them to hide the evidence. 384 00:21:44,079 --> 00:21:49,160 And that's been debunked continuously. Okay, I mean it's just ridiculous, absolutely, 385 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,400 but it's been used as a pretext to go on 386 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,519 a church burning spree. And the way to understand how 387 00:21:55,559 --> 00:21:57,559 this is not even about that, because if it was 388 00:21:57,559 --> 00:22:00,640 about that, you would attack. Okay, Catholic churches, that's the logic. 389 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,039 They're the ones who supposedly did this, but all sorts 390 00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:08,279 of churches, right, yeah, right, including Coptic churches, the same 391 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,400 churches in Egypt that are being attacked by Muslims. Coptic 392 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,279 people go live in Canada and they probably started immigrating 393 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:16,480 there three decades ago at most, they have nothing to 394 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,160 do with these native graves which were supposedly buried a 395 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,279 century ago, and their churches are being burned by the 396 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:25,799 same people. And I think the interesting thing about that 397 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,200 to me is a lot of people they always they're 398 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,960 starting to sense that there's some sort of congruity between 399 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,400 Islam and what's called the left. Okay, and yeah, there is. 400 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,200 I mean, for example, attacks on churches that, like I said, 401 00:22:39,319 --> 00:22:42,720 is something that's very normal by Muslims in the Islamic 402 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:48,039 world and also very much in Europe, constantly happening. But 403 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,240 also you see the left is doing it as well, 404 00:22:50,279 --> 00:22:52,680 and maybe even more so at this point, and so 405 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:55,359 you kind of start seeing, Okay, while the left is 406 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,680 sort of a representative of this sort of extreme liberalism 407 00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:03,160 and sexual promise, suity and confusion and you know, the wokeness, 408 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,200 and Islam is patriarchical. You know, no one understands how 409 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,279 are they in cahoots? Well, it's because the enemy of 410 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,880 my enemy is my friend, and their ultimate enemy is 411 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,640 Christian civilization. And you can see it in their constant 412 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,000 attacks on churches. I mean that's just one example, but 413 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:20,119 there's other examples that we can see and how they 414 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,400 both respond in the same way to free speech and criticism. Okay, 415 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,559 we know about Islam's blasphemy laws. For example, if you 416 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,359 say anything that can be you know, construed as negative 417 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,240 or critical about Islam, especially it's prophet, well you can 418 00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:36,880 get yourself killed. Well, here in the West, we're starting 419 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,880 to notice that if you speak and say just the 420 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,119 truth and things that go against what the left wants 421 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,599 you to believe, you can go to jail. In fact, 422 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,759 most recently I learned that a Spanish priest, a Catholic 423 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:51,240 priest in Spain, is now facing three years in prison 424 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,359 because of Islamophobia because he said something critical about Islam. 425 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,519 And I just looked into it and what he said 426 00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:02,799 is actually just what I'm saying, basic truisms, historical doctrinal truisms. 427 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,799 And because of that, the Left, just like Islam, is 428 00:24:05,799 --> 00:24:08,319 not going to punish him. So yeah, there's definitely a 429 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,960 massive assault on Christianity and Western civilization in general, and 430 00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:16,960 it's by what's called the left that's who's really spearheading it. 431 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:19,640 And in many ways, Islam and Muslims are their sort 432 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,720 of foot soldiers, but they have the same common enemy 433 00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:25,240 and it's all being dissembled because the media works for them, 434 00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:28,359 of course. And whether it's the persecution of Christians in 435 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,079 Nigeria or whether it's you know what's happening here in Canada. 436 00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:36,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the Ben Shapiro calls it the Omni cause. 437 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:40,680 And the quote I've been using is, you know, the 438 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,359 issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution. 439 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,359 It doesn't matter what the particular issue of the day is, 440 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,680 just does it help it tear down Western civilization. And 441 00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:55,319 if we can attack those foundations, then we all win 442 00:24:55,519 --> 00:24:58,759 and it doesn't matter. We'll sort our differences out afterwards, exactly. 443 00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 2: And that's what I That's what I was alluding to 444 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,880 about Nigerian and black lives don't matter there. So here 445 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,119 in America, well, yeah, we can explore, we'll exploit one 446 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,799 black death, George Floyd and destroy everything because we're acting 447 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,599 like we care. But when it comes to hundred and 448 00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:16,720 tens and hundreds of thousands of Blacks being slaughtered with 449 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:19,759 machetes and burned alive because of their faith, well we 450 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:22,240 won't even mention it. And not right there approves to 451 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:25,720 you that this isn't about being humanitarian or good or woke. 452 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:29,759 It's about exploiting all these pretextes for their own agendas, 453 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,480 which is, like you said, the destruction of the West. 454 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,559 Speaker 1: We'll have the final portion of the interview with Raymond 455 00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:38,559 Ibrahim up next. 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I did this interview with 483 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,599 Raymond Ibrahim yesterday the two year round nursery of the 484 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:06,799 October seventh massacre by Hamas against Jews and others, and 485 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,279 so we talked about that as well. October seventh, what 486 00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:13,839 you just described with the attacks on Christians in Nigeria 487 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,920 and all over, I can't help but notice there seems 488 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,480 to be a bit of a similarity in some of 489 00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:26,759 the tactics that you've discussed going back throughout history in 490 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:29,440 the you know from the crusades up to the present. 491 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,640 What we see in Nigeria right now and what we 492 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,359 saw in Israel on October seventh when Hamas crossed the there, 493 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:39,599 you know, broke through the fence line and murder twelve 494 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:45,240 hundred people. Is that like, We're not like, that's not 495 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:46,400 a coincidence, right. 496 00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:49,599 Speaker 2: No, no, no. Anyone who's familiar with the true history 497 00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:53,319 of Islam will realize that the continuity between what you 498 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,759 just described as staggering and unwavering. Okay, so, uh, you 499 00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:01,279 know I have it right here. Whoever is interested my 500 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,160 main book that I wrote sort in Scimitar fourteenth centuries 501 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,119 of war between Islam and the West, which I document 502 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,519 from the very beginning. You know, the hostilities and violence 503 00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:13,079 and warfare between Muslims and Christians and everything that we're 504 00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:16,119 seeing today was on display then even more so so 505 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,240 when they tell you that you know, isis or the 506 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:22,519 Islamic state is hijacking Islam, and that's not how Islam 507 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:24,640 has acted in Islam was a beacon of light in 508 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,279 the medieval era, et cetera, et cetera. Those are again, 509 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,240 once again all lies or what I've dubbed fake history, 510 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,039 which is more dangerous than fake news because it sets 511 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,720 up false archetypes that people, you know, see reality through. 512 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,519 If anything isis is just a small, meager reflection because 513 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,160 what we had back then was massive caliphates okay that 514 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,039 could martial enormous resources and manpower and unleash them on 515 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,680 their enemies, the infidels and all. You know, most people 516 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,759 don't realize. Just you know, to summarize this and give 517 00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:57,200 you an idea. What's today called the heart of the 518 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,400 Islamic world Okay, the Middle they call it Mina, Middle East, 519 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,640 North Africa acronym, and the Arab world. Essentially that was 520 00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:08,240 all Christian. Not only was it Christian in the seventh century, 521 00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:10,920 it was more Christian than Europe. When we think of 522 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,839 the past and we think of Christendom, you always think 523 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,559 of Europe. People don't realize that. But in the seventh 524 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:20,039 century and before that, the primary heart of Islam, of Christianity, 525 00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:23,440 I'm sorry, Christendom was all of North Africa, especially Egypt, 526 00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:27,519 especially Syria, especially what we call Turkey Asia Minor. This 527 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,880 is why Constantine moved the capital all the way to 528 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,839 New Rome Constantinople, which was essentially in Turkey today. That's 529 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,920 where all the you know, that's where and of course 530 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,960 that makes sense because that's where Christianity was born in 531 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,480 the Middle East, so obviously that area was Christianized a 532 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:45,759 lot earlier than distant Europe. Anyway, all of that was 533 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:49,000 conquered by Muslims. So today when you speak about the 534 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:52,720 Arab world, well that is conquered Christian territory. That's why 535 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,559 there are still cop to Christians in Egypt and Christians 536 00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:59,960 Assyrians in Iraq and Syria because they're the indigenous inhabitants 537 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:02,759 and they were all Christians at the time. So yeah, 538 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,160 the whole thing was a long warfare, a long jehat. 539 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,759 It was doctrinally backed by the verses I mentioned violence 540 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:12,240 against Christians and Jews and conquests giving them three options, 541 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,319 et cetera, and the atrocities that the Muslims engage in, 542 00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:20,200 and they're in the book, you know, beggar. The imagination, 543 00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:23,039 in fact isis the key to understand Isis is there. 544 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,559 They are familiar with the history of Islam and they're 545 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,839 consciously trying to emulate it. In fact, people don't realize 546 00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:31,039 that a lot of their words, what they used to say, 547 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:37,319 were actual formulaic phrases stripped from early Islamic conquerors and 548 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,680 Jihattis and calivehs and sultans, you know, like when they 549 00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:44,799 would say we've tasted American blood, is none as sweeter? Well, 550 00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:47,920 that that comes from hell. It Bineluel, the Sword of Allah, 551 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:50,359 the first battle against Christian Europe, the Battle of the 552 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,240 Armuk in six thirty six. He said, we've tasted Roman blood, 553 00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:55,680 done tastes better, and we're here to kill you unless 554 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,640 you convert. So it's definitely the the continuity is there, 555 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:02,680 and like I said, unwavering. But the fact that most 556 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,039 people don't know that is once again a reflection of 557 00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:08,359 how well the liars have been at concealing this. And 558 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,720 in this case it would be the first we spoke 559 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:13,799 about the media. Now we're talking really about the academics. 560 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so, I will tell you all, like I 561 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,279 saw the line in your right up on the Battle 562 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:22,519 of Yarmouck, where it was, and I remember the line 563 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:26,920 being uttered many many times after by leaders of Islamic 564 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,440 countries or terrorist organizations and they would say things like 565 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,519 you love life more than or we love death more 566 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,400 than you love life, And that comes from that same battle. 567 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,480 It's a callback and that's you know, inspiration and to 568 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:44,400 your point. I remember so after nine to eleven, I 569 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,160 did a series on Islam in two thousand and one 570 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,400 as a young reporter and part of that was to 571 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:56,440 go talk to local Islamic center EMA and he told me, 572 00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,519 and I was young, in naive, he said Islam means peace. 573 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,920 And I said, oh, oh, is that nice? 574 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: You know? 575 00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:07,599 Speaker 1: Okay? And I found out years later that correct me 576 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,599 if I'm wrong, Peace through the submission to the will 577 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,000 of Allah, which I think is a different kind of 578 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,119 piece than what I thought he meant when he said 579 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:16,960 Islam means peace. 580 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 2: Is that accurate? Yeah, that's accurate. And it's also a 581 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:24,680 word play because in Arabic, you know, several related words 582 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,480 are formed from the same trilateral root, triliteral root, three roots, 583 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,160 and so the word s l M Salama means peace. 584 00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:36,200 But then how you change the vowels, So Islam it's 585 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,640 the same three letters, right, means you get submit, you 586 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,240 get peace through submission. So Islam is an imperative. The 587 00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:46,519 word Islam is an imperative. I can say to you Islam, 588 00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:50,079 which I'm basically saying submit, And the idea behind it 589 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,279 is in once you do you will have peace and 590 00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:54,119 once you and if you don't, you will have war. 591 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: Raymond Abraham, thank you very much for your time. I 592 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,039 do appreciate it. I could talk to you for a 593 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,319 lot longer, I suspect, but I've already kept you a 594 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:05,119 little bit past your time. Thank you for your generosity 595 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,519 with your time, and would love to do it again someday. 596 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 2: Sure sounds good, Pete, thanks a lot. 597 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,079 Speaker 1: Thank you. All right. That was Raymond Ibrahim. You can 598 00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:18,119 find his work at Raymond Ibrahim dot com. All right, 599 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,519 that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 600 00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:22,599 for listening. 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