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Speaker 2: Block off hot a step hit on stay lock blocks.

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Speaker 3: Here's your hosts, Jesse Severe and Victor Nuna.

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Speaker 2: Fantasy Hockey Lie back once again. Jesse's Severe of Fan Tracks,

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Victor Nunio, the Fantasy Hockey Doctor. How you doing today, Victor.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing awesome, Jesse. Another day, another team, and we're

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super excited to be talking about this one. It's always

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fun when there's some exciting players to talk about, so

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I like that. How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? The Old Canadians are exciting team and we've got

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much to say about them today. But before we get there,

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I just have to let people know that they could

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be talking about the Canadians. They could be talking about

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the Florida Panthers. They could be talking about the Utah Mammoth,

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even the Toronto maple Leiefs. If you really have to

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over at our Fantasy Hockey Life discord, just email us

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Fantasy HOCKEYLFE at gmail dot com. We'll give you a

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link you pop in. Their discords are good. I've heard

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people given discords a hard time that it's some kind

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of sketchy social media site, but really it's kind of

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the best one because you don't have to deal with

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goober Peece who show up and just say crazy things.

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And that's the way I like it because it's a

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good positive space. But Victor, Aside from that free discord,

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there are freemium There are premium things that people can

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Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of good bonus content. Over at Patreon. You

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know some people are reaching out now because it's time

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where they have to make decisions about their teams. What

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should they do, Should they push the chips in, should

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they retool to tear it down? All those kinds of

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things can be really difficult and it's really hard to

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get that if you reach out and ask for suggestions.

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It can be hard without knowing the full context of

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what's going on and talking through it. So that's what

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that's one thing that we can do, and plus a

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Speaker 2: That is absolutely what you should do. But there's one

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other thing you should do, which is stay tuned. After

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this music, we'll be talking Montreal Canadians. We are pleased

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to have back, Ali was telling him before the show.

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I think he is in the top ranks of the

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most frequent guests we've had on Fantasy Hockey Life over

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the years. It is Ryan's spore of the hockey writers.

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Speaker 4: How you doing today, Ryan good? Thanks?

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Speaker 2: Are you good? We are happy to have our chief

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Montreal Canadians correspondent on here too, because the Canadians were

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a fascinating team this year. According to Hockey Reference, they

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were the third youngest team in the NHL and they

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were the only team in that really young neighborhood to

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make the playoffs. That outcome didn't seem so likely at

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the start after the Canadians got off to five ten

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and two record, but from there from that game on,

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the Canadians got a standings point more than twice as

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often as they didn't for the games the rest of

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the season, and their playoff return marked the first postseason

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appearance since the Cup final season in the COVID year. Now,

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there are some signs of concern. They managed only the

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third fewest shots in the league, but the excellent seventh

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best percentage on those shots kept their scoring pretty good.

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In fact, the team was outshot by two hundred and

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eighty eight, which was among the very bottom in the league.

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They were outscored by eighteen, the worst differential of any

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playoff team. Still, fans have got to be encouraged that

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a very young team is getting that playoff experience and

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competing at the end of the season. All that being equal, Ryan,

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do you think that the Canadians are infra regression in

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the coming year based on the fact that some of

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those underlying stats didn't support the overall record, or given

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that this is a young team that is maturing and

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growing every year, is that team improvement going to improve

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the underlying stats and get the Canadians right back in

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the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: I'd say it's more a case of the latter. I'm

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fairly optimistic that the Canaans will continue to inch up

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the standings. At the very least, they've enjoyed linear growth

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from the point in which they finished last NHL in

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twenty twenty two. Each year they've improved in the standings

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or at least point wise in the standings, and they've

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the effectively bottomed out and general manager Kent Hughes was

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given the mandates to rebuild from the ground up, say

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for a few key pieces like Knick Suzuki, et cetera,

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et cetera. But Suzuki is only it's only going to

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be twenty and the rest of the team, the Corps

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is younger. This is a team on the rise, and

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based on how they fared in the first round series

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against the Capitals, despite it only going five games, they

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were in each of those games except for maybe the last,

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and I'm very encouraged by their year reyear.

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Speaker 4: Progress for sure.

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Speaker 2: And there's a good reason you leave Nick Suzuki off

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the rebuild list because Suzuki was a dang star this year.

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He has not missed a game yet, by the way,

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in a sixth season career, and never scored fewer points

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than the prior year. He's been on a pretty continuous

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supper trajectory, but eighty nine points this year was quite

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a breakthrough. We fantasy players like his chipping in on

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blocks and hits that he does pretty well, although a

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focus on playmaking leaves the captain only taking two shots

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a game. Hey, come on, Nick, shoot a little more.

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You're good at it. He was tied for fourteen tenth

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in the NHL and assists last year, the only second

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in his own team. More to come on that one.

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Like I said, I would consider Suzuki to be pretty

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much a start at this point. What do you think

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of his season and what do you anticipate for him

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going forward?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So, I remember writing a piece at the end

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of last season, I believe when he had seventy seven points.

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I'm just I think that's what it was. I don't

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have the numbers in front of me, but effectively, he

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just missed out on a point per game last year.

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And I wrote a piece which shouldn't have stirred much controversy,

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basically stating that he was a number one center, not

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just on the Canadians but in the entire NHL. And

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I think he's only reinforced that fact. He finished two

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points pind Sidney Crosby in center scoring in the league.

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I believe he was sixth or seventh among centers overall,

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just Pind Crosby. But there was a time not too

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long ago when fans of rival teams would suggest that

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Suzuki is a third line cent on a good team

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mainly Toronto maypleas fans, I assume, but yeah, I'd say

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that myth has been busted wide open. He's the first

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Kenadans player to score point per games since Covil in

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two thousand and eights. And like you said, he's a

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legit star.

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Speaker 3: There is another guy who might be a legit star,

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and that's the next guy we're going to talk about,

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Cole Coffield or a goal Coffield if you like. We

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could call him that as well. He had his first

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career thirty goal season and he did one better than that.

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We surmised that he could maybe get up to thirty.

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He had twenty six twenty eight goal seasons, and then

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he went all the way up to thirty seven, despite

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decreasing his shot amount by almost a full shopper game.

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He dipped under the three shopper game threshold that he

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hadn't been at since his second season. The goal production

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as elite, but defensively second percentile was really not great

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for defense. That might limit his even straight time on ice.

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I think he's the type of player who probably deserves

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to play a little bit more offensively twenty minutes plus

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on a good team if he had better defensive metrics.

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But I'm not sure if he will be able to

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get that high because of that part. But Ryan, I

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wonder if Cuffield can get a shot right back up

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while keeping his efficiency and maybe push for forty or

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more goals. What do you think we can expect from

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Caffield next season?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, it wasn't a total shock that he

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hit his scoring would go up in twenty twenty two

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to twenty three, a season was cut short with I

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believe his shoulder injury, and then he had twenty six

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goals in forty six games, which would have been just

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under a fifty goal pace. So he's the thirty seven

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goals I'm saying is almost a disappointment for Canadians fans,

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although it's obviously a healthy total. And I'm not sure,

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but I think it's the most any Canadians that scored

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since Patrick. He might have had a thirty nine about

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a decade ago. But yeah, he's definitely got the shots

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a shot and though shot to get to forty if

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not fifty, in the future, but I'll stick with forty

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just to stay conservative.

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Speaker 3: All right, that's good. Here, let's talk about their other

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budding star, Ivan Demidov, and it was. He's been much

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hyped and he had an excellent KHL season before coming

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to Montreal, and once he did, he got into the

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last two regular season games, had his first career goal,

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and then had a couple of assists in the playoffs.

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I guess we're all wondering, Ryan, what is next year

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going to bring. Is he going to be on the

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top line, top power play, maybe hang out with Suzuki

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and Kawfield, or maybe run a second line. What do

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you think we can expect from Ivan Demodov next season?

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Speaker 5: Actually just won a Kitchell Rookie of the Year, I

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believe on Thursday or Friday, which was a surprise because

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you don't really expect them to award that two players

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who leave for the NHL. But yeah, I think it's

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sick to say that Demodov is going to be staying

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in Montreal for the long haul. Based on his successful debut,

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in which he scored a goal in assistance first ever

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an HL period, I'm inclined to believe that in the

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immediate future, the Canadians will continue to go with a

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top line of Suzuki between Caffield and your I Slavkovski.

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But based on the Demodov's sheer ceiling, I can't imagine

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that he stays off the top line for long.

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Speaker 4: He's just he.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how realistic it is that he gets there,

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but he rejects as like a one hundred plus point

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player for sure, and obviously don't keep those types of

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players off the top line.

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Speaker 4: I envision.

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Speaker 5: Maybe not next year, but the year after that suzukik

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Speaker 2: All right, you're a Slavkovski boy. It must be a

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luxury to get to your one to one overall pick

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this far into the guys that we're talking about, the

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big old Slovak continues to climb up the Canadian scoring chart.

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He cleared fifty points for the second straight year. Not

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a defensive stop for per se the team jumps ten

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percent in the wrong direction and expected goals against per

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sixty when he goes on the ice, But his offensive

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impact is even a greater positive than that. There was

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a stretch early in the season when he had to

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jump around various lines, but became more productive when settling

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in with Suzuki and Kawfield at five on five. One

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thing your excels at is Layan the Wood. One hundred

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and ninety four hits were a great total for him,

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tied for twenty fifth in the league among forwards pushing

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two point five per game. How is the development of

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this former number one overall pick going and what are

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you expecting for the coming year?

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Speaker 5: Ryan, Like I said with Demanov, I do believe that

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they're going to keep the top unit intact. It was

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the most used line overall, but head coach Martessee in Lui.

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It's hard to say with Slavkovsky because he was a

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first overall pick. Like you said in twenty twenty two,

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I just based on the projections then. I don't think

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anyone had him as a superstar talent. It was a

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week draft here, and I think you're saying that with

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how the top picks from that draft are panning out

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a few years down the road. Maybe Logan Cooley is

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the sole exception, but generally a week draft and I

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can't see him becoming a point per game player. Personally,

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I'd love to be wrong, but if he gets to

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seventy points per season, I think that would be a

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huge success, and the fact that he's gone into fifty

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in consecutive years so soon into so early into his

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career is definitely a positive sign to that effect. I

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think if he reaches his potential, he'll probably be become

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a thirty goal guy.

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Speaker 2: Very good and Patrick Line he had boy a starcross

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first year in Montreal. A preseason injury to his left

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knee took him out of action until December, and at

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the end the other book end he broke a finger

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in the playoffs and missed the final three games. Between

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those in fifty three games, thirty three points as well

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off of his normal pace, although the twenty goals to

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thirteen assists that's a fairly normal proportion for old Patrick.

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lowest of his career. Normally a reliable three shot per

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game player, I guess the real concern to me is

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that Line took just over two shots per game this year,

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and that's certainly the strength traditionally of his game. He's

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missed enough games now that it's hard to consider that

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missing games is just a fluke for him. In his

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first four seasons, he missed fewer than ten games combined

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and in the five sense, he's missed more than ten

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every year, with more than twenty five now three times

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in the past four years. What do you make of

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Patrick Lene and is he going to be able to

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succeed in Montreal?

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Speaker 5: There's only got another year left under contracts. I'd love

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for him to succeed and I'd love for him to

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become another weapon on the power play for this team.

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And the fact is that he may be only be

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a power play specialist, so if he does stay on,

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you'll probably probably have to be at a smaller cap hit.

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But his mobility was an issue this year, and I'm

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not sure. I'd like to believe not, but I think

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the best case scenario is that is just a byproduct

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of the knee injury that he suffered in preseason, So

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that would imply that has time to recover with the

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long off season, then he might regain some of that

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and I think that kind that hampered his effectiveness at

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even strength. But for whatever reason, he's become a polarizing

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figure in Montreal, and this disheartening to me personally because

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I don't know what these members of the media who

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seem to be searching for a scapegoat for whatever reason.

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What their problem is because if someone would have told

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you heading into the season that Patrick Loney would be

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score twenty goals and that the Canadians would make the playoffs,

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that would have been like best case scenario. Twenty goals

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is let's say line scoring at the pace he did,

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that would have been the best case scenario. I'm trying

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to ignore the injury, but he basically made, along with

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Lane Hudson, who I'm sure we'll talk about later, made

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the power play dangerous again. It's the first time it

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was over twenty percent since twenty seventeen eighteen, and it's

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first time since twenty ten that the power play was

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above twenty percent while the penalty kill was above eighty percent.

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So those special teams played. I think the Canadians were

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the one of eight teams for whom that was true

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this year. So the rejuvenated special teams, of which Patrick

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Lanning was in part responsible, is a large reason why

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the Canadians made the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: And.

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Speaker 5: Some may cite his perceived aloofness as a detriment to

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team culture and a reason why the Canadian should trade him.

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To that I respond, are you insane? Because what are

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you going to get for him at his cap hit

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When the Canadians traded him for Jordan Harris and got

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a second round pick in exchange, So what do you

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expect to get an exchange? I also would say that

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he's you're going to get what you get with Patrick nine.

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Kent Hughes knew what the player he was getting, a

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player who was just fresh out of an NHL NHLPA

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Players Assistance program. It was a risk worth taking. It

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was a risk that paid off. I have no reason

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to believe that should the Canadians stay the course with

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him over the course of this contract at least, and

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there's no reason why they shouldn't, that he'll continue to

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be as effective as he has been on the power play.

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Speaker 2: At least, good deal. Yeah, Line always seems to be

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taking flack everywhere he goes, and just generally, after we've

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gone through these top guys, is there anybody else among

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these forwards you think could reach a fifty point pace

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this year? Year Ryan?

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Speaker 5: If I'm being realistic, No, If I'm being optimistic, I'd

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say both. Well, primarily Kirby Duck if he suffered a

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second straight season ending knee injury to the same knee,

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so that does not vote well. But in his first

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season with the Canadians back in twenty twenty two twenty

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twenty three, he scored fourteen goals in twenty four assists

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and fifty eight games, which is a fifty four point piace,

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assuming or hoping that he regains that form, as unlikely

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as it is, and he if he regains that form,

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he is the likeliest candidate to center Demidov and presumably

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line on the other side.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's what happens.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if Ken Hughes goes out and acquires

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a second line center, because I don't know how you

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is a second line featuring Damadok without a decent center.

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But let's just say I hope Doc can get healthy

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because I think he's a legitimate X factor on this team.

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I'd also say there's an outside chance Alex Newhook does

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because when Doc played all but two games last season,

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and new Hook, despite suffering injuries of his own, ended

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up playing fifty five games last year, many of which

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at center, and he scored fifteen goals in nineteen assists,

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which was also which also would have put him on

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pace for a fifty points season over eighty two games.

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This year, he only had fifteen goals and eleven assists

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in a relatively complete campaign. I it was a disappointing

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season for both Doc, who had ten goals of twelve

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sists and fifty seven games, and new Hook.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what the future holes for either of them,

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but they've got, in principle the talent to make an

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impact on the score sheet consistently.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's move over to the blue line. And

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this is of course going to be exciting. You already

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alluded to him, and that's, of course we got to

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start with Lane Hudson and I have been a Lane

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truther for a long time. I didn't expect him to

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be this good. He exceeded my expectations. I didn't really

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I thought he could be this good, but I didn't

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think it'd be this quick and this effective in such

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a short period of time. I think, you know what

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is often the case with these elite talents. They don't

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knock on the door, They kick it down when they're ready,

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and Lane was clearly ready. He had a spectacular rookie season,

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tying the NHL record for most assists by a rookie defenseman.

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Despite starting the season off the first power play unit,

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he quickly rose and took over for Mike Matheson. He

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put up a respectable number of block shots and hits. Overall,

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the bash was just over three per game. I think

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that can increase. But how can you complain with a

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sixty six point pace in your first season, which is

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a pretty high bar. That was sixth most point pace

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for all defenders, Ryan, I guess the question is where

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do we go from here? Do you think he'll be

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in top five defenseman scoring next season?

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Speaker 5: It's a logical assumption that he is. But let me

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just list all his accovades because you missed a few. Sorry,

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most assistant points by a rookie Canadians defenseman in history,

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his first Canadians defenseman twenty or younger to score a

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point in four straight games. Longest point straight by a

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rookie Canadians defenseman with nine, and with those nine games

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in which he had at least one assist, he dies

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the longest assist streak by a Canadians defenseman with Andrei

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markov So, who was not a rookie at the time.

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He was a veteran at I believe thirty years of age.

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He's also the only rookie defenseman in NHL history to

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score three points in consecutive games. Yeah, and I think

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that's it, which is still a great deal. Yeah, I'll

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be completely open and honest that I did not anticipate

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this from Hudson either. It's not that I doubted his skill.

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I just doubted whether or not the Canadians would be

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able to make room for him on the blue line

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this season when Mike Mathison was coming off of sixty

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two points season last year, and I felt like the

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Canadians would have been justified to keep him Hudson in

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the AHL this year while the Canadians sorted out their

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logjam on defense.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, he proved me wrong, as.

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Speaker 5: Obviously the Canadians top offensive weapon on the blue line,

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potentially top defenseman overall, and believe Mike Matheson still played

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more ice time overall, But yeah, Hudson is obviously their

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number one defenseman moving forward of the close future and

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in the same similar mold of the when he using

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like Adam Fox and et cetera, et cetera, I do

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for see him continuing. I don't see like a sophomore

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slump in his future, just based on the fact that

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the Canes are going to rely on him to such

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a degree and everyone around him, except to the likes

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of the Matheson, et cetera, everyone's growing together. This is

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a young team that's only getting better as a unit.

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So yeah, I think it's the only direction he's headed

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from a storing perspective, is.

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Speaker 2: Up all right, And Mike Matthison, he has been thoroughly

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supplanted as the power play one guy I think we

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can say is safe after that discussion of Hudson. But

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his two hundred ninety four minutes on the man advantage

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in twenty three twenty four were the highest on the

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team since PK Suban in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, So

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he's got a record of it and led to a

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huge point spike that is two years ago, with sixty

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two points in eighty two games. Now, as the veteran

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Mathison enters his eleventh NHL season, his points dropped down

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half of that thirty one last year in advanced thats

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were not great. His expected goals above replacement was pretty

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well at the bottom of the team, ahead of only

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David Savard in that metric. But while his points peaked

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last year, his effectiveness seems to have been a little

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bit higher in his Pittsburgh time even than his Montreal time.

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But be curious what you think of Matheson's recent effectiveness

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for the team. What do you make of him and

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what do you think his role is going to be

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this year?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I mean you alluded to it.

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Speaker 5: He had sixty two points in twenty twenty three, twenty four,

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but he was also getting three forty one per game

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on the power play. This year, he had six goals

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and twenty five assists while getting one fifty seven per

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game on the power play, so nearly half the time.

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Like you said, supplanted by Lehenhudson, I believe only as

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a single year left under contract.

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't surprise me.

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Speaker 5: It would shock me if he got traded this offseason.

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If not, I'd say that you know, he's going to

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continue playing the same role he did this year as

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a minute muncher, veteran defenseman, because the team with the

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retirement of Savard lacks of some veteran leadership and he

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does wear an A so I'm not sure that it

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would be in the team's best interests best interests to

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trade him.

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Speaker 4: But he's clearly not.

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Speaker 5: He clearly doesn't have a future on this team.

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Speaker 2: Pass this year, and Caden Gooley, another defenseman worth discussing here,

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is expected goes about a replacement actually very good for

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this team, not in scoring, mind you, where he had

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eighteen points in fifty five games, but in overall impact.

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A quad injury cost him two months in the spring,

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but by the end and he was certainly making some

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positive plays, including a critical late season goal that helped

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get the team into the playoffs. What is Googlie as

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part of this Montreal Canadians team right now? And where

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is he going to be in the pecking order here?

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Long term?

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Speaker 5: Saint Louis tended to rely on a defensive pairing of

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Googlie and Hudson moving forward. He tended to rely on

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that pairing despite Gooley being a left hand both players

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being left handed defenseman, and the idea was to, in

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my opinion, offset Hudson's offensive ability with Gooley's well roundedness,

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although Hudson didn't exactly disappoint from the defensive standpoint either

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come the end of the season, so I think Gooley

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when he was drafted, or the idea was he would

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if everything worked out right, he would become like a

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good all around, on top pairing defenseman, and I think

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that's what we're seeing. He's not like the best of

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the best yet, and nor do I necessarily think he's

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gonna get there like like an elite talent, but he's

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definitely a great defenseman for this team. I don't see

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him getting more than thirty points per game per season

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moving in the future, but he obviously can chip in

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the odd points and he had twenty two points I

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think this year and yeah, sorry, eighteen points in fifty

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five games played. So he's definitely contributing offensively, but defensively,

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I think is where the Canadians see his value in offsetting.

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Speaker 3: Hutson, speaking of other defensemen, wondering if you have any

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brief thoughts on Logan Mayu, who I've heard maybe on

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the trade block, or David Reinbacher potentially get being a

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significant role next season.

480
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:04,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think both.

481
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 5: One of those guys who are both right handed are

482
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,599
one of those guys probably going to get a shot

483
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:16,640
out of training camp with Debarcher retirement of Savart, who's

484
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:22,640
also red handed. There is a world in which Mayu

485
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:27,839
finds a spot on the blue line, but I think

486
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,039
that world is one in which the Canadians then draft

487
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,559
Ron Backer theft overall a few years ago. I just

488
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,119
think like Ron Backer did suffer a knee injury this

489
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,039
past preseason in the same game as line nap memory

490
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:46,559
serves against Stronomy Aple Leaps, and he did return. But

491
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:50,000
I think the general consensus is his game is no

492
00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:53,799
worse for wear and that he still projects as a

493
00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:58,599
top pairing defensive stalwart of defenseman. Ken Hughes drafted him

494
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:05,400
fift overall over like many top end offensive talents and

495
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:12,359
two years ago, including matve Michkov and Ryan Leonard, Jack Benson,

496
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:16,640
et cetera, et cetera. So I have to believe that

497
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,039
he has got the inside track to earning a spot

498
00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:23,640
out of training gap And it really only makes sense

499
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:26,599
in my mind if you know it's going to be

500
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,039
a full time, full time role and as a seventh defenseman.

501
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,200
And I think this regime has proven that they're willing

502
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:40,480
to give those players, those young players a chance to

503
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,240
move up the lineup, whereas the franchise in the past

504
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,599
has operated under the assumption that the rookie should burn

505
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,680
their way up from the bottom of the lineup. We

506
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:56,599
saw it with Hudson. He's basically started in a relatively

507
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,200
starring role right from the get go.

508
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 4: Similar with Demidov.

509
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 5: It took some time for Slavkovski to work his way up,

510
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,759
but once he did, I don't think like he's getting

511
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:08,200
off that top line now just what twenty two years

512
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,680
of age or whatever it is. So I think the

513
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,160
spot out of training camp or hypothetical spot up training

514
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:22,279
camp is Ron Buckers to lose and Mayu because it's

515
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:25,759
like an offense only skill set with him. I think

516
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:30,079
Chris Johnson was correct in his report that the Canadians

517
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:33,839
would are willing to trade him just because I don't

518
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:36,119
know how long you can keep him in the HL

519
00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:39,200
without him asking for a trade himself. Because he was

520
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,599
an NHL All Star last year. I just don't think

521
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:48,039
that his all round game merits a significant role in

522
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:52,000
the h L at this point, at least with Canadians.

523
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: That's fair. Let's move on to the goalies. The Canadians

524
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,680
were ranked thirtieth in expected goes against for sixty, but

525
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:04,960
conceded the twenty six actual goals for sixty. Sam Antembeau

526
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:07,319
was a big part of that. His numbers may not

527
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,640
be overtly impressive, but he did have an excellent season

528
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:13,559
based on the environment given to him. His protection that

529
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:16,359
he was offered was pretty poor. His expected save percentage

530
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,640
was one of the lower in the league for any starter,

531
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,640
but he well outperformed that, saving almost thirty one goals

532
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,640
save above expected. His Delta Fenwick was extremely strong. He's

533
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,319
in year two of three, paying three point one five million.

534
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,680
There was also the emergence of Jacob Debash, who had

535
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,720
a really strong season, starting in the ball and then

536
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,960
ending up in the in the NHL. He had a

537
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,039
really impressive shutout of the Panthers in his first game

538
00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:42,960
and then had a few playoff games. He said, almost

539
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,880
eight goals above expected in a strong Delta Fenwick. So

540
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,720
what do you think is going to happen in that

541
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:50,640
for the habs moving forward? Are they gonna split time?

542
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,519
Are they going to lean towards one or the other?

543
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:53,279
What do you expect?

544
00:31:53,359 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 5: Ryan at Louis has shown a lack of willingness to

545
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:07,200
stray from multamble, so I can't foresee that changing as

546
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,480
long as Multamble is under contract, so I think it's

547
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,200
a safe bet that do Besh is Maltombo's backup, and

548
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:24,079
I just I'm concerned about how much they play Multamble

549
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,039
next year because I think prior to this season he

550
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:29,039
hadn't played more than forty one games in an NHL

551
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,119
season and our professional season, and he eclipsed that by

552
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,720
a wide margin, going thirty one to twenty four and seven. Yeah,

553
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:43,480
I think that Maltambo is his team's number one, but

554
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:49,640
do Beesh has a lot to offer. He probably gets

555
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,920
thirty games next year. I'm howpful he gets thirty games.

556
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,480
I should say there's no doubt in my mind that

557
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:02,039
Kiden Primo, who started the year as backup with the Canadians,

558
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:05,400
only to lose his job to do Besh, that he's

559
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,519
probably gonna find and be finding a new home next year.

560
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,359
I don't see him as staying with the Canadians organization

561
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,359
at this point, despite the fact that he kind of

562
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,279
vindicated himself somewhat in the AHL, whereas in the NHL

563
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:26,680
with the Canadians he was two three and one with

564
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:29,400
four point seven goals against the average ener point eight

565
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,200
three to six say percentage Laval the Rocket, he was

566
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,039
twenty one two and two with one point ninety six

567
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:37,359
goals against average and nine twenty seven say percentage. So

568
00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:42,079
Primo did bounce back to a degree. But I don't

569
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:44,720
think his abilities in the AHL were ever really in

570
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:49,160
doubt because he's performed well with the Rocket before. So

571
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:53,160
Singluis has shown that he has zero confidence for trust

572
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,200
in him. Yeah, it's going to be Maltimon and do

573
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:59,680
Besh next year as far as I'm concerned. And Fowler

574
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:05,319
a Fowler, He's arguably the team's schooly of the future,

575
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:10,480
but I'm not necessarily prepare to say where he ranks

576
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:11,840
right now on the depth chart.

577
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 2: Great stuff, great tour through the Montreal Canadians, Ryan, Why

578
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,199
don't you let people know how we can keep up

579
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:21,079
with your work all year?

580
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 4: Yeah?

581
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 5: So I write at the Hockey Writers. You can find

582
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,440
me on the Montreal Canadians page. I try and write

583
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,480
on average once every three days, and you can find

584
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:36,320
me on Twitter or sorry X or blue Sky at

585
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,559
my handle is our sport our sn P O R

586
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:39,880
E R.

587
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: All right, awesome, thanks so much for being back with us, Ryan.

588
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,760
We always love talking Canadians with you.

589
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,599
Speaker 5: Likewise, thank you for having me.

590
00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: That's good fire pants. Oh my goodness, walk with a

591
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:06,519
ca wet cram. Now it's your weekly goalie talk. But

592
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:09,519
Kat Silverman, Kat's Instincts.

593
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:13,599
Speaker 3: Time once again for Kat's instinct With Kat Silverman of

594
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,480
n Gold mag we're talking Montreal habs goalies. We got

595
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:19,920
a few ones here to talk about, Kat, and they're interesting.

596
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,920
We're gonna start with Jacob Dobesh six foot four, two

597
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,320
hundred and one pounds, fifth round pick back in twenty twenty,

598
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,199
but as we know, that kind of already worked out

599
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:32,519
pretty well. He had sixteen games in the NHL this season,

600
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,639
actually looked pretty good, even got into was pretty good

601
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:38,599
in some of those games, had a pretty decent record

602
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:41,000
at times he looked like he was taking the job

603
00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:46,039
away and overall pretty exciting for the future. Looking at

604
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:51,519
his numbers in the evolving Hockey metric, he outperformed his

605
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,960
expected save percentage, even strength and the playoffs. Looking at

606
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,599
some of his hockey prospecting numbers, he trended up the

607
00:35:57,639 --> 00:35:59,960
last several seasons. Has a bunch of really good comment

608
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:02,440
one of them pick a Rene, who he looks a

609
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,199
little bit like in this model. Overall, it's looking pretty exciting.

610
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,960
The reason we're talking about him here, even though he

611
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:08,559
might be an NHL or I just want to get

612
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:10,119
your take on where do you think he can go

613
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:12,719
from here? Do you think he's the future starter for

614
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,480
the Habs? What dor instincts tell us about Jacob Debesh.

615
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 6: I think it's possible. He surprised me a little bit.

616
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,440
I really expected to see him look a little bit

617
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,679
more lost, and he took his NHL games and he

618
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,000
was like, I do belong here. Let's do it a

619
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,880
little more aggressive than I would necessarily like to see.

620
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,840
But that could just be me still getting nervous anytime

621
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,800
I see a goaltender who doesn't have that, just like

622
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,559
textbook depth and positioning that Carrie Price set as the

623
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:47,440
example in the Bell Center over his career.

624
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

625
00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 6: I think he's fun to watch. He's not the He's

626
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,159
not the best young goaltender we saw in the league

627
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,079
last year by I would say not insignificant margin. But

628
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,519
he did a good job of holding his own and

629
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:07,280
he did a good job of maintaining a good consistent

630
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,400
level of play over more than just one or two

631
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,800
relief games up at the NHL level. He looked like

632
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,920
he was just rolling with it and then did a

633
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,519
good job in the ANHL as well. I don't know.

634
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:20,480
I think he could be potentially their next starter. I

635
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:25,119
still have trouble with Montreal overall figuring out who was

636
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:27,719
standing out as their next clear cut number one, and

637
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,920
it seems like maybe they're doing a success by committee

638
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,960
kind of approach now, but I feel like they do

639
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:37,280
need to eventually come up with someone who's their clear

640
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,760
identifiable number one. And he didn't do anything this year

641
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,599
that made that obvious that it was him, but he

642
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:45,440
could in the next couple of years.

643
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,679
Speaker 3: Well, from one guy who didn't grab the reins and

644
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,280
definitely cement their poll as the number one guy to

645
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,760
another who definitely did that. We are going to talk

646
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,320
about Caden Primo. In fact, I thought during this year

647
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,639
we might actually be done talking with Kayden Primal the

648
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:03,679
way it was going there for a while, because he

649
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,320
had a really rough patch sixty three two hundred and

650
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,599
seven pounds. In case you're wondering, twenty seventeen seventh round pick,

651
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:14,239
he's now twenty five. He played exclusively in the NHL

652
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,599
last season. He had twenty three games. He looked pretty

653
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:18,679
decent At times he was in that time sharey. He

654
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,119
looked like he was here to stay. Then he had

655
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:24,679
a pretty awful stretch with the Canadians and he actually

656
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,199
had a GA almost at five save percentage in the

657
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,880
eight thirty range. It was really rough, and I believe

658
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,800
he was waved passed through waivers and it was really bad.

659
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,519
Looking at his evolving evolving hockey. His expected save percentage

660
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:43,119
in Delta Fenwick save percentage was so awful, like it's

661
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:44,239
bleeding off the page.

662
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:44,559
Speaker 4: It was.

663
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 3: I think he did break the chart, actually yeah. But

664
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:51,320
then he rebounded and he looked really good in the

665
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:54,440
HL and regained his form. He actually looked stellar in

666
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,480
the HL. Maybe there's something left here. Looking at the

667
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,239
hockey prospecting, he has graduated from this model, but he

668
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,800
looks like an average starter, someone like Jake Allen Manny

669
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,199
Fernandez that with those kinds of guys. So, Kat, what

670
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,559
are instincts tell us now about Cayden Primo. I guess

671
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:11,079
we said to keep talking about him since he turned

672
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:14,000
things around at the end. But you'll tell me, Yeah, I.

673
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 6: It's really tough for those goaltenders who have some growing

674
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,039
pains and who aren't just a clear cut not to

675
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,920
just constantly live in the past. But Montreal really did

676
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:31,039
have such an easy time when they had carry Price

677
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,079
because he came in, he was pretty immediately good. He

678
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:38,679
didn't have any of those growing paints and Montreal's kind

679
00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:41,280
of a fish bowl. So we saw it with Zach

680
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,159
Pugh Kelly, we saw it with Dustin Takarski. We see

681
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:50,480
it with just about any developing prospect that they have.

682
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,840
If they don't do well at the NHL level, it

683
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,920
is a lot of pressure being at the NHL level,

684
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,719
and then it's a lot of added pressure playing for Montreal.

685
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:04,760
And it looks like that's almost what happened with Kaden Primo.

686
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:08,599
He did a good job, the team hit some roadbumps.

687
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,760
Some of that was his fault, not all of it.

688
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,880
That team did not look like they were cohesively helping

689
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:25,239
him get set for clearcut success, and he crumbled and

690
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:29,239
it wasn't necessarily all his fault, and it definitely wasn't

691
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,280
all their fault either. But I don't know. I think

692
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,159
he's done a good job of returning to the HL

693
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:42,480
level and kind of regaining his form, But I don't know.

694
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:45,320
If we saw with Zach fugh Kelly when he went

695
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,159
back to the minors and regained his form, he kind

696
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:51,440
of needed to find a fresh start somewhere else, and

697
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,880
it looks like that might be the case with Kaden Primo.

698
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:57,800
I don't know, but he when we look at Jacob Dobush,

699
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,519
I immediately I was like, oh, I really hope this

700
00:41:02,559 --> 00:41:07,280
isn't another Caden Primo situation. And I sure hope it's not.

701
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,760
But I don't know for sure what I don't know

702
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,280
what they plan to do with either of them next year,

703
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,719
and they up to this point have not brought in

704
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,440
They haven't brought in someone who could be that easy

705
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:27,519
mentor for them, Like I know that the quality of

706
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:31,000
goaltender with the Islanders is a little bit higher, but

707
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:34,159
like a Semion Varlamov or even I can't talb it.

708
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:37,960
They had Jake Allen who was trying to resurrect his

709
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,400
own career too, So I I don't know. I think Primo.

710
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 3: Might be.

711
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:50,639
Speaker 6: I think he's still an NHL goaltender. I don't know

712
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:53,840
if he's a Montreal Canadian's NHL goaltender. I guess it's

713
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,599
the best way to put it.

714
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: Sounds good if you look at habs, Twitter at all

715
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,559
or follow up, you would be convinced that all you

716
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:07,159
really need is Jacob Fowler. Maybe those other guys are irrelevant.

717
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,480
I'm not sure that's true, but we're gonna find out

718
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:12,159
and talk about Jacob Fowler right now, the six foot two,

719
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:14,760
two hundred fourteen pound twenty twenty three third round pick.

720
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,400
He's now twenty, and he had I would say, a

721
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:23,679
second pretty incredible season at Boston College. They again didn't

722
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,840
win the NCAA Championship, but again we're very solid, and

723
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:29,360
he did about all he could. I would say his

724
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,880
say percentage last year was nine twenty six. This season

725
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,320
it was nine forty. He was awesome as JA was

726
00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:40,719
one point sixty three, just outstanding. And he will not

727
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,880
be back at college because he signed his entry level

728
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,679
contract and he actually got a few games in for

729
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,239
the Laball Rocket, and I would say he's pretty outstanding

730
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,599
there too. Everything's pointing up for him. Not to put

731
00:42:50,639 --> 00:42:52,480
too much pressure on the young man, but the Hockey

732
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,639
Prospecting model has one of his top comps as Patrick Waugh,

733
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,360
just a legendary Hall of Fame pressure there no no

734
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:02,480
pressure at all. That's what Montreal is known for no

735
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,039
no pressure, very easy and relaxed fans, so I'm sure

736
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:07,079
he'll get to enjoy that. But Kat, tell us your

737
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,239
instincts on what we should expect from Jacob Fowler this

738
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,159
season beyond.

739
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 6: Oh man, I really don't ever want to feed into

740
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,719
the Montreal fan base feeding frenzy. I think they need

741
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:29,239
to temper their expectations a little bit. A Lah Dustin Wolf,

742
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:38,280
Ala Dostal, Lucas Dostal. But I think he looks really good.

743
00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: I really do.

744
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 6: When I'm going through game tape for these guys, I'll

745
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,400
take just quick little notes. I'll watch full games, then

746
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,400
i'll go through just the goaltender actions. And when I

747
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,599
go through the goaltender actions, I'll just write down like

748
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:55,639
one or two key things that I see from each

749
00:43:55,679 --> 00:44:02,039
of those saves or events. And it's really fun looking

750
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:06,000
back through them afterwards, because sometimes it looks like I

751
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,039
am trying to take notes in a class while falling asleep,

752
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:11,199
because I'll just write the same thing over and over,

753
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,360
and that's usually a good sign that there's a consistent

754
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,400
trend for a goaltender. And looking at my stuff for

755
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:21,639
Jacob Fowler, I had looks good depth wise, position depth,

756
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,239
solid depth, good hands depth. So I think I like

757
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,079
his I think I like his depth. I think it

758
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:33,199
is a good job there with his depth management. And

759
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,480
that's something that Montreal has been needing for a while

760
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:42,559
because I haven't loved the consistency of their defensive positioning

761
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,360
and the way that their defense is related to their

762
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,880
goaltender in terms of the breakout strategy, in terms of

763
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,559
their passing strategy, and that's in part because they haven't

764
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:55,440
had a consistent goaltending style to work with. They've had

765
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,639
this kind of revolving door, almost like a Philadelphia light.

766
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:04,960
But Fowler looks like he's got such consistency with his

767
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,559
movement and his decision making and his positioning that it

768
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:11,920
should make it easy for their defense to feed off

769
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,239
of that. And if the defense is able to kind

770
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,079
of form a cohesive unit with him in that regard,

771
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,960
it should be a pretty easy transition for him because

772
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:23,599
he makes it easy for them to predict what he's

773
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:26,360
going to do. And that's not something that I've necessarily

774
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,960
seen from Dobeese, and definitely not from Primo. Primo had

775
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:33,960
some fun skating adventures with his depth. Dobeese is still

776
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,760
a little aggressive with his positioning, and Fowler looks like

777
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,239
he's just almost like how Spencer Knight sometimes was, just

778
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,719
like a real textbook. Knows where he's going, hits his marks,

779
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:46,599
reads really well, and react when he needs to, but

780
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:50,559
doesn't look like he's falling behind on it. And I

781
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:53,400
need to reiterate that I don't think that means that

782
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,039
he is the reincarnation of Patrick Waughan Carrie Price all

783
00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,679
rolled into one, and if he has some growing pains,

784
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,519
I need them to understand that it's normal. But I

785
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:10,840
think he's probably the closest thing they've had to a

786
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,360
clear cut prospect in a while, and I'm hoping that

787
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,360
goes well for him.

788
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: All Right, everyone, you heard it here first, Jacob Fowler

789
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,480
is the next Carry Price slash Patrick waugh all rolled

790
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:28,480
into one, incredible goalie of the future. Just kidding. Yes,

791
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:31,480
we need to be patient, but all signs pointing very

792
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,960
positively for Fowler. Expect him to be in the ball

793
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,159
and have some growing pains and maybe a year or

794
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:39,400
two a full time in the NHL. Does that sound reasonable,

795
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:45,400
I'd say so. Yeah, all things looking good there in Montreal,

796
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,360
and they have options with the other goalies, So thanks,

797
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,559
so much Kat for giving us your instincts on the

798
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:50,920
Montreal Canadians goalies.

799
00:46:51,239 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: We'll be back right after this dig the Dynasty dig.

800
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:16,559
It is the Montreal Canadians edition with Victor Nunil and

801
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:20,360
myself and a cast of helpers. And here is what

802
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,239
you need to know about the Canadians. They have the

803
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,199
number three prospect system according to your rankings, Victor. They

804
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,360
have really a lot to recommend them. And the first

805
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,760
item up for discussion, the no brainer is somebody we've

806
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,719
already covered in this program and deservedly. Who is it?

807
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:41,079
Speaker 3: Of course it's i Van Demodov. He's got to take

808
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:43,440
advantage of this no brainer because I'm not going to

809
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,719
happen again. He's going to be a full time NHLR.

810
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,679
I'm quite sure of that this upcoming season. He was

811
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:52,920
pretty awesome for Scott Saint Pete last season, forty nine

812
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,920
points and sixty five games, including five points and six

813
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,639
playoff games. This all is a teenager. He was nineteen

814
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,679
only on December tenth of last year. All of this season,

815
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:06,960
that's some pretty strong numbers for a teenage forward in

816
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:09,519
the NHL and the kid in the KHL. He did

817
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:12,400
come over and also get in a couple of games

818
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,159
with the Montreal Canadians, as we mentioned, so good stuff there.

819
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,239
Looking at his FHL player card, he's got ten out

820
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,559
of ten for shots. His scoring is also one hundred

821
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:25,719
percent tile for the KHL, which is again super impressive

822
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,280
as a teenager. I have him as an eight point

823
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,000
nine to zero, which is a ninety percent chance of

824
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,760
being an eight, one of the highest I have in

825
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,159
my whole data set. So pretty awesome to be so

826
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,440
high up there and to have such high expectations. So

827
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,119
definitely one of the guys you absolutely want to have

828
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,280
on your team. Just looking up who I have ahead

829
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,519
of him right now, he's going to be the highest

830
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:53,280
prime player in the data set because Celebrini Badard graduating,

831
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,719
so it's going to be Demidov, and then he's going

832
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,320
to graduate sometimes soon this season, so he's in the

833
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:02,679
Perek mitchkof Nikishin, Bulliam Lane Hudson, and Will Smith, all

834
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:07,280
those guys are near the top. Anyways, the Bash with

835
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,760
Demodov is not going to be great. Aside from the shots,

836
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,199
he's only twentieth percentile for hits and fortieth for block

837
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,440
so the Bash overall will be good, but mainly just

838
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,320
the shots. But let's hear a little bit more about

839
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,960
Demodov from our Refrotail Scout.

840
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,159
Speaker 2: FHL scout. The man with the honors this time is

841
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,800
grant Yvon Demodov. Here's what he's got to say. Skating,

842
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:34,039
good acceleration, above average top speed, turns and agility are elite.

843
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,239
Passing and handling is also elite. Elite stick handling for

844
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,320
a nineteen year old. He can take passes on his forehand,

845
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,559
backhand or feet. With these, he protects the puck well,

846
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:47,639
sees passing lanes that others don't. His hands in tight

847
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,079
or impressive, to say the least. Like most highly skilled players,

848
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:54,480
he can be guilty of overhandling the pocket times. Shooting

849
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,519
excellent wrist shot that he can get off very quickly.

850
00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:01,360
He gets himself into good shooting lanes. The IQ the

851
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,719
puck seems to find Demidov, which is a pretty good

852
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,000
indicator of anticipation.

853
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 4: His vision is.

854
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,599
Speaker 2: Excellent and he sees open eyes before it opens. His

855
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:13,039
patients with the puck is a strength for checking. He

856
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:16,400
isn't and probably won't ever be a corner guy. He's

857
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,239
strong on his skates and can get in on the

858
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,519
four check, but he's not going to body off defenders

859
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:22,800
to win possession. He could add a little bit of

860
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,320
strength to help out here.

861
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 4: Defense.

862
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,519
Speaker 2: Demonov's more defensively responsible than Grant would have thought. He

863
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:32,239
doesn't cheat the defensive zone or get caught deep in

864
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,679
the offensive zone. He will need to work on his

865
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,960
positioning in his own end, but that should improve over time.

866
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,880
The best asset puck control and the ability to carry play.

867
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:44,320
You want him on the ice as much as possible

868
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,039
to make things happen, and the biggest concern. Grant says

869
00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:50,599
he can disappear for stretches and probably needs to work

870
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:53,760
on his defensive game a little. His worry with Montreal

871
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,599
is they put him on a line with another player

872
00:50:55,639 --> 00:50:58,599
who likes to carry the puck a lot. Demoedov needs

873
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:00,840
to be the guy on any line that he is

874
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:03,840
who carries the play and the puck the majority of

875
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,719
the time. He draws the comparison with Team Canada playing

876
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,000
McDavid and McKinnon on the same line, it was not optimal.

877
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,079
The top tier outcome top line winger, first unit power

878
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:18,159
play one hundred points plus. That's because Demoedov had a

879
00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:21,280
goal and assist in his very first NHL game, he

880
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,239
could have had five or six points in that game,

881
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:25,599
and Grant has no doubt that he will have five

882
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:28,199
or six points Knights in the NHL At some point.

883
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,800
Montreal is gonna have is going to want to give

884
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,800
him every opportunity to succeed. Even the median outcome to

885
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,039
Grant is a top six winger, first unit of the

886
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:40,239
power play seventy five to eighty five points. Teams are

887
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,559
going to focus on him as he's had success, and

888
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:45,199
he will need to fight through some tight checking games

889
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,719
at times. Demidov's going to generate chances with every game,

890
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,119
but how many will be the question. The stylistic comparable,

891
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,280
Grant says, the overall offense could match Careel Caprizov, and

892
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,440
they do share puck control, but Kaprizov is a stockier

893
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,679
player than Keep in mind Capriza. I've joined the NHL

894
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,119
at twenty three, whereas Demodov is only nineteen. Final thoughts

895
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:10,519
Sky's the limit for Demodov. His production could go anywhere

896
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:12,480
from a point per game to a one hundred point

897
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,840
player at some point. It seems like every goal he

898
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:20,079
scores is a beautiful one, and the apt comparison. Why

899
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:23,639
did we not see this coming? Mason Black, the tidy champion,

900
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,440
the NHL rank King puts Demodov up against Matt Vey, Mitchkoff,

901
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,159
and Demodoff in a route six fifty nine to forty

902
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,480
one percent. Victor, I think I remember you telling me

903
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,480
last year that before the draft you like Demodov better

904
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:40,679
than Mitchkoff. I don't want to slander you. I think

905
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,760
that's what you said at the time. Is Demodov over

906
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,960
Mitchkov and accurate ranking.

907
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,519
Speaker 3: It's good to know that you do listen to me.

908
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:51,119
Sometimes I wonder because that is what I said, Jesse,

909
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,599
that is what I said. Good job, I hear.

910
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 2: It's just like my wife. I hear about one out

911
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,159
of every five things you say, just to prove that

912
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:00,159
I was listening to. Sometimes you just got to keep

913
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:03,320
a minimal level but not set expectations too high.

914
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're good at that. So yeah, for sure,

915
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,239
that is what I said. I do have more And

916
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,880
I think a lot of what Granton said in there

917
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,679
is exactly why we saw some of Mitchkoff this year

918
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,480
and sixty five point paces where he was pretty great,

919
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,119
but you also saw some people want to blame this

920
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,920
all on towards, but I don't think this was all Tortorella.

921
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:25,960
We did see the handcuffs come off a little bit

922
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,800
when he was relieved. But the thing about Mitchikoff is

923
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,920
going to be true in hell. He shifts things. He

924
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,039
doesn't really pay attention to the defensive side of the puck,

925
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:38,599
and no matter who the coach is, there's gonna be

926
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:41,920
some limitation scaling back of his ice time opportunity even

927
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,480
a little bit. And that is something that is not

928
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:47,119
going to be the case for Demodoff. He is pretty

929
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:49,960
dogged on retrievals. He'll for check back. He's not going

930
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:53,760
to be like Celebrini or someone Barkoff, like two way

931
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:58,679
type Selki winner, I don't think. But he has a

932
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:03,079
lot more attention, a lot more aggressiveness to stealing pucks,

933
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:05,400
disrupting plays, being on the right side of the puck,

934
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,039
in addition to in addition to the strong offensive skills,

935
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:14,159
and I actually do think that the offensive skill set

936
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,760
is just a smidge higher for Demodov. So you put

937
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,159
that all into account with also thinking about the fact

938
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:25,679
that Demodov can probably and will probably deserve to get

939
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,760
twenty two to twenty four minutes of time on ice

940
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,079
as your all star winger that Mitchkoff may or may

941
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:35,199
not get just because if he's a little bit more

942
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:38,480
of a defensive liability and you have to match up

943
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:41,159
him a little bit more carefully with opposition, he may

944
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:43,639
have his minute skilled back a little bit. So for

945
00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:46,119
all those reasons, I'm taking Mitchkoff. I think he's the

946
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:48,000
more sure thing. I think he has the higher upside,

947
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,480
I think he has the higher floor. I think all

948
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:52,199
of those things, even though he hasn't proven it yet,

949
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:56,079
I'm definitely a team Demodov here. I of course I

950
00:54:56,119 --> 00:54:58,320
would not be upset to have Matthey Mitchcoff. I think

951
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,679
he's a good player too. I think he's gonna be

952
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:02,039
a strong fantasy asset, as he showed this year. So

953
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:06,440
there are no wrong answers here. There are just ones

954
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,320
that are a little bit better, and so that's why

955
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,400
I would take Demidoff. Looking at the hockey prospecting between

956
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,360
the two, it's pretty hilarious. Both of these guys have

957
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,440
ninety nine percent chance across the board of being a

958
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,079
star being an NHLer In every season it's been ninety

959
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:22,440
nine percent, So they're basically a lock. All their comps

960
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,960
are McDavid and Crosby, Caane, Gretzky, all pretty much the same,

961
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:31,079
So you don't really learn a whole lot there, But

962
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:34,119
you can't look at the NHL e's between these two guys,

963
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:36,559
and you do see that Mitchcoff had a much better

964
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:39,360
D minus one season, the draft season was a little

965
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,480
bit better for Demodoff, and then the draft plus one

966
00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:43,360
season was a little bit better for Mitchkoff just in

967
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,199
terms of his his NHL equivalency. So interesting, and then

968
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,360
of course Mitchkoff's now in the NHL and that's where

969
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,599
Demodov should be next year. So we'll be able to

970
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,199
track these closely going forward, But in the end it's

971
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:55,719
probably gonna end up being a little bit of a

972
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,960
toss up. Looking at some other comps for Demanov, what

973
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,000
seems reasonable. I really like Patrick Kane. I think that's

974
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,079
a pretty apt comparable too. He's a He's not the

975
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:09,039
burner that McDavid is. He's not the two way stud

976
00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:11,599
quite to the point that Sidney Crosby is. He's certainly

977
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:14,199
not Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemu. But I think Patrick

978
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,679
Kane is pretty reasonable. He's got the slickhands, can definitely

979
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:20,119
beat you one on one, but also an excellent playmaker

980
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:23,559
and just super wizardy with the puck and without the puck.

981
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:26,440
Just a really high IQ player. So I really like

982
00:56:26,519 --> 00:56:29,719
that comparison, and I think it's pretty apt looking at

983
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:34,199
the top down hockey model with Evan demandoff ninety three

984
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,360
percent chance of being a star, ninety nine percent chance

985
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,000
of being an NHLer just roses all around. So yeah,

986
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:43,360
pretty exciting, all.

987
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 2: Right, Victor, who's the need to know prospect?

988
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 3: Need to know is going to be? Michael Hage twenty

989
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,519
twenty four to twenty first overall pick sixty one hundred

990
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:54,639
and ninety pounds. Had a successful freshman year at Michigan,

991
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,400
ended up finishing second on the team in points if

992
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,719
I remember correctly, There was a little bit of a

993
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,360
slow start and then really tore it up towards the

994
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,679
end thirty four points in thirty three games, but I

995
00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:08,000
think it was even stronger in the back half. Pretty

996
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,079
amazing production, especially considering he was a teenager. He was

997
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:15,719
eighteen most almost the entire season. Turned nineteen April fourteenth,

998
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,400
so pretty late birthdate, and I would expect him to

999
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,000
do another year at Michigan. He could turn pro and

1000
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:23,719
try for Laval, but I think that would make the

1001
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:26,280
most sense is to go back to college. He's six

1002
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,360
one h ninety pounds, probably could still get a little bigger, stronger,

1003
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,800
really solid season. Looking at the tracking data for Mitch Brown,

1004
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,239
overall age was a ninety third percentile. His offense was

1005
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,639
eighty seven percentile, transition seventy one, in defense eighty two.

1006
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,280
The goals and shots are actually a little bit below average,

1007
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,400
but the playmaking, the slot passes, slot pass per sixty,

1008
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,000
all that was elite over two standard deviations above ninety

1009
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,840
fifth percentile. Just really incredible stuff. Transition game, really good

1010
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,119
boards to the middle and advantages creative or two of

1011
00:57:56,119 --> 00:57:59,800
his best attributes, and those are really highly translatable skills.

1012
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,000
You've got the offensive build up and XG build up

1013
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,719
per sixty. All of that is elite.

1014
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:05,039
Speaker 4: Really.

1015
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 3: The only thing that he Michael Hage is probably not

1016
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,599
going to do a ton of his shoot. His shooting

1017
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:12,480
is just fortieth percentile. So maybe if he could start

1018
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,960
shooting more it would be better. But I think that

1019
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:16,719
he's just getting up. Being one of these guys is

1020
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:18,920
more of a playmaker, a really strong possession guy, and

1021
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,760
that's okay. You can get your shots elsewhere. But looking

1022
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,960
at his FHL player card, I have him at a

1023
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,280
six point seven eight seventy eight percent chance of being

1024
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,320
a six, which is just above average. I think there's

1025
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,639
upside for more, but I think that's really where his

1026
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:35,119
floor is. Looking at the bash here, overall, it's an

1027
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:38,079
eightieth percentile as I mentioned, the shots a little bit lower,

1028
00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:42,880
but hits at seventy percentile, blocks at fiftieth. Overall, pretty good.

1029
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:46,239
And let's hear a little bit more about Michael Hage

1030
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:47,239
from our Frachl scout.

1031
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:51,599
Speaker 2: Grant is back on the case for Michael Hage skating.

1032
00:58:51,639 --> 00:58:54,280
He has a decent first few strides and slightly above

1033
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,519
average top speed. Very strong on his skates, protects.

1034
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 4: The puck well.

1035
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,639
Speaker 2: Hage is very agile, which allows him to change directions

1036
00:59:01,719 --> 00:59:05,360
quickly and beat defenders one on one. He possesses pretty

1037
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,719
slick hands and tight but can be guilty of over

1038
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,320
handling the puck at times. As regards passing. In handling,

1039
00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:14,519
he can usually beat the first defender but occasionally loses

1040
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:17,239
control by the second or third. Is a lot of

1041
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,119
almost great plays passing strength as he finds seams and

1042
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:24,800
open players with ease shooting. Hage has a good snapshot,

1043
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,800
but should be a pass first player as he progresses.

1044
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,440
Unless he really improves a shot, He's a much better

1045
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,159
passer IQ. Hage has very good vision to get passes

1046
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:37,719
through to teammates and he picks up defensive assignments. Likes

1047
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:39,400
to be the forward to carry the puck, so he

1048
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,440
shows good poise when with it in his own end.

1049
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,599
He has a lot of patients with the puck in

1050
00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:48,199
the offensive zone for checking. Hage can be physical, but

1051
00:59:48,239 --> 00:59:50,280
not often. He's strong on the puck. He's got good

1052
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,960
balance and strength, so he can be effective along the boards,

1053
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:56,599
but it's not his game at this point. Defense defensive

1054
00:59:56,599 --> 00:59:58,880
positioning is a bit of work in progress, but he's

1055
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:03,000
very responsible forward. He rarely gets caught cheating the zone

1056
01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:06,400
or getting caught too deep in the offensive zone. Best

1057
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,119
asset was the passing, the handling of the puck, the

1058
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:12,760
defensive responsibility none or elite, but the combination should work

1059
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,519
for Hage to play in the NHL. The biggest concern

1060
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,199
if his hands don't catch up to the increased pace

1061
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,559
of the AHL and NHL. He shows his flashes of

1062
01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:24,800
excellent puck handling, but will he be consistent enough to

1063
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,960
warrant a top six role at a higher level. So

1064
01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:30,559
the top tier outcome for age second or third line

1065
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:32,519
center who sees some time in the first or second

1066
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:35,280
unit of the power play. That's because he's versatile on

1067
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,920
the power play, can play three or four different roles

1068
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,920
if needed. He has enough offense to justify an extended look.

1069
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:44,280
See if he can produce at the next level. He's

1070
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,480
only nineteen, has just one year of college hockey under

1071
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:51,039
his belt. The median outcome third line center or winger

1072
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:53,199
who sees time on the second unit of the power

1073
01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:57,039
play justification there. Grant thinks hege has a pretty good floor,

1074
01:00:57,039 --> 01:01:00,639
but his floor and ceiling there close together stylistic comparable

1075
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,800
reminds Grant of Jason Spezza a little. Probably doesn't have

1076
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,719
the offensive ceiling of Spetsa, but his skating style and

1077
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,079
stickhandling have a similar feel and the final thoughts of

1078
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:13,280
his hands catch up to his brain. Michael Hage could

1079
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,079
be something special for Montreal. He can usually beat the

1080
01:01:16,119 --> 01:01:18,360
first defender, but if he starts to beat two or

1081
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:23,159
three players on a consistent basis. Watch out Michael Hage

1082
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,880
versus Trevor Connolly in the NHL ranking, Mason Black's pole

1083
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,440
and Hage in a rump seventy four to twenty six

1084
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,880
percent over mister Conley, Victor. Is that how you would

1085
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:35,239
see it?

1086
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:40,559
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, I'm definitely taking Hage here. I think it's

1087
01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:44,199
pretty easy for me. I like what Grant said about

1088
01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:46,159
the floor. I think the floor is super high. I

1089
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:47,960
would disagree with him a little bit. I think the

1090
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,039
ceiling is actually a bit above the floor. You're talking

1091
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:54,039
about a mostly eighteen year old in college hockey, being

1092
01:01:54,039 --> 01:01:57,400
one of the youngest and not small but a little

1093
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,960
bit on the smaller side. So I think there's where

1094
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:03,119
to grow here. I definitely think that there's a little

1095
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:08,119
bit more stealing Connolly, certainly he has some offensive upside,

1096
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,360
and we remember last year for some of the personal

1097
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,840
problems or issues that were discussed about him. I just

1098
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,920
think there's more question marks with his character, and I

1099
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,519
don't know that his skill set is tremendously better. He

1100
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:25,599
did pretty well at college thirteen points in twenty three

1101
01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:28,159
games for Providence. There were a couple injuries sprinkled in there.

1102
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:33,039
He did join the USA for the World Junior Championships

1103
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:36,159
and had four points in seven games. There were also

1104
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,880
some other side stories there that we heard about, but

1105
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,719
overall not bad and four points in six games for

1106
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,639
the HL Henderson when he did turn pro. I definitely

1107
01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:49,639
think that there's a world where Connolly ends up being

1108
01:02:49,719 --> 01:02:52,480
a pretty decent asset. Here right now, his PNHL is

1109
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,039
looking more like forty and Ages more like sixty. I

1110
01:02:56,079 --> 01:02:58,559
think that both of them probably do a little bit

1111
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:01,960
better than that, but I think that's probably realistic where

1112
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,800
the gap is. I also like what Grant said about

1113
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:07,199
hage in terms of him being versatile. He can play

1114
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,599
multiple positions, he can fill different roles, and I think

1115
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:12,599
that versatility is really important. Connolly is a little bit

1116
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:15,719
more one dimensional, and so he needs help. He needs

1117
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,199
others to get the puck in and help set up

1118
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,320
where he can do some of his offensive creativity. But

1119
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,280
he's not going to be as versatile as hagees and

1120
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,159
I have him on my ficial player card as a

1121
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:30,360
five point four or five, so just under fifty percent

1122
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,000
chance of being an average roster player. And his bash

1123
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:38,599
is not great either, seventieth percentile, so hage is definitely

1124
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:40,760
not going to be a bash master or anything, but

1125
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,079
he was more like an eight, so a little bit

1126
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:47,320
more comfort there in terms of your perferal floor. But yeah,

1127
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,440
looking at the hockey prospect in between the two, Hage

1128
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,599
went down from thirty one to nineteen percent chance of

1129
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:55,000
being a star, Connolly from twenty four to ten percent,

1130
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,880
so still almost double the star percentage for Hage, so

1131
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,559
I think that's pretty appropriate. Looking at some other comps

1132
01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:05,079
for Hage, there's some interesting ones here. Vander Kaine is one,

1133
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:08,400
Alish Hemsky is one that it probably fits pretty well.

1134
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,159
There was some pretty decent upside there at times with Hemski,

1135
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:17,039
and I think that's something that Age can probably hit.

1136
01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:20,519
I think there's more solid floor there, but definitely some

1137
01:04:20,639 --> 01:04:22,920
upside to hit those highs. And in the top down

1138
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,199
hockey model, Hage twenty seven percent chance of being a

1139
01:04:25,239 --> 01:04:27,400
star and seventy nine percent chance of being an NHLer.

1140
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,639
So definitely a guy I would want, even though the

1141
01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:32,679
price may be a little high, but I think that

1142
01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:34,719
there's even more to grow from Jesse.

1143
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 2: I'm curious to hear about this next one, even though

1144
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:40,480
I'm not sure how much there is to say because

1145
01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:43,280
he was quite prominent before. Who's to keep your eye

1146
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:44,360
on prospect, Victor.

1147
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,519
Speaker 3: Well, that would be David Reinbacher, the surprise fifth overall

1148
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,679
pick back in twenty twenty three. There were definitely other

1149
01:04:52,719 --> 01:04:55,320
ways the Canadians fans wanted that to go. Here we

1150
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,360
are a couple of years later. He's still a six

1151
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,960
foot two, good skating, right handed d and those are

1152
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:05,199
often pretty coveted and so can't complain too much about that.

1153
01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:07,920
He missed most of the season after a knee injury,

1154
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,519
but he did have pretty reasonable production. Did Ryan Bacher

1155
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:14,480
in ten games with Laval five points in those ten games,

1156
01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:16,159
and then he did join them for the playoff run,

1157
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:19,400
where six points and thirteen games was pretty decent production.

1158
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:22,280
It was unfortunate that we didn't get to see more

1159
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,400
of him because at this point he almost I guess

1160
01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:27,639
with the playoffs. He did play more games in LaVall

1161
01:05:27,679 --> 01:05:29,559
this year than last, but he mostly played in the

1162
01:05:29,639 --> 01:05:33,679
NL in Switzerland last year, so it's good that he's

1163
01:05:33,719 --> 01:05:36,880
in North America. And definitely, as we talked about on

1164
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,119
the show, there's a decent chance that he could be

1165
01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:42,039
with the Canadians this upcoming season, so we'll have to

1166
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:44,239
wait and see how that goes. As far as his

1167
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,159
FHL player card, I have him at a six point

1168
01:05:46,239 --> 01:05:50,119
two to oh twenty percent chance of being above average,

1169
01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:53,280
and you got the shots that are a little bit

1170
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,320
low sixtieth percentile hit some blocks or forty percentile, So

1171
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,719
overall his bash is probably not going to be very good.

1172
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,000
He's probably going to be more like a thirtieth percentile

1173
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:03,880
for bash, which is unfortunate. But let's hear a little

1174
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,920
bit more about Ryan Backer from our FHL scout, Jesse.

1175
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 2: Grant says of David Ryan Bacher skating, bit of a caveat.

1176
01:06:12,039 --> 01:06:14,840
He reminds us about these six months of missed hockey

1177
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,400
with the ACL injury that could give him a delay

1178
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,639
getting back to one hundred percent. But having said that,

1179
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,440
good mobility in all directions for the games he was

1180
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,480
able to scout Not necessarily a smooth skater, but a

1181
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:29,880
good skater when at top speed, deceptively quick for his size,

1182
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:34,000
slightly above average overall for a defender. Passing and handling.

1183
01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:36,280
He's not afraid to carry the puck, can stick handle

1184
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,000
around the first defender, but will not dangle a team.

1185
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Good hands in tight a nice reach. He has a

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very good breakout pass and good touch on his other passes.

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He can quarterback a power play, but the first unit

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of an NHL team might be a stretch shooting. He

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possesses a good, quick and accurate snapshot from the blue line.

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Grant doesn't think he'll ever be a fifteen goal scorer

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in the NHL, but perhaps a to twelve in a

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good year. The IQ sees the ice well does Ryan Backer.

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He scans frequently when going back on the puck into

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the defensive zone, very safe with the puck, excellent poise.

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He directs traffic and communicates often with his teammates on defense,

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which to me is a very good sign for such

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a young player in the AHL. That his witches to Grant,

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which to Grant is and he anticipates very well and

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makes good pinches. He's a strong kid with a good reach,

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and when he uses his body he won't lose many

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board battles. On defense, Ryan Backer has a good gap control,

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blocks out well in front of his own net. Not

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an overly aggressive defender. Will air on the conservative side

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of things when defending at his best when physically engaged

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in moving his feet, being physical is not Ryan Baker's

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first choice, as he rarely goes out of his way

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to make the head. He can have a bit of

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a mean streak at times. So the best asset defense

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is Ryan Baker's bread and butter and what will potentially

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allow him to play one games in the NHL. Does

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have the offense to give, but it should be gravy

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for the defense. The biggest concern, the pressure of being

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the fifth overall pick over the likes of Mitchikoff in

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a market like Montreal, might weigh on his mind and

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curtail his development. Top tier outcome a top two defender

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eight to twelve goals, thirty five to forty five points,

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maybe plays twenty plus minutes a game, one hundred hits

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and blocks could be attainable. That's because he should develop

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into a very steady defender who could compliment a defensive

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partner who has a lot more offense like mister Lane Hudson.

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The median outcome second or third pairing defender who plays

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sixteen to twenty minutes a game puts up twenty to

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thirty points per year. That's what would happen if his

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floor is what he hits. Because he still needs to

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prove that he can play at the NHL level after

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missing most of last year. He'll likely need to play

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thirty to forty AHL games next year before getting a

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look in Montreal. Montreal would love to have a similar

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player to Maurite Sider, who has taken sixth overall in

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twenty nineteen, but as far as Grant on the style

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istic comparable, he says, Ryan Backer is not nearly as physical.

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They share similar offensive capabilities, but Ryan Backer is unlikely

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to supplant Layne Hudson anytime soon on the power play

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in Montreal. Final thoughts difficult not to bias your opinion

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with that draft capital. Ryan Backer should become a very

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good NHL defender, but might not ever live up to

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that draft position. He's played just fifty nine games of

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hockey over the last two seasons. Needs to stay healthy

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and play more than fifty in next year, so says Grant,

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So say we all, and so say the people. To

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Mason Black's NHL Rank King poll out on X David

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Ryan Backer versus Thomas Willander, who we've talked about many

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times in the past, and Ryan Backer in a route

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sixty one to thirty nine over Willander is that the

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way you look at these two, Vicker.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think if I was making

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an NHL team, and I wanted and I was just

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looking at other aspects of building my team, I might

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take Velander. I think he might be a better defensive defenseman.

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But I think I'm taking Ryan Backer for the small

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amount of more offense that he can generate. So that's

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the case there, I would I think I would take

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Rihan Bocker. I think he does have a little bit

1254
01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:30,680
more offense to give than Villander, although I think Vellander

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is probably a better defensive defenseman, and I think that,

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you know, neither one of these guys has a great

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amount of bash. We're talking guys that are probably below

1258
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:44,600
replacement level, so that's not going to be super exciting.

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I do have Lelander as a five point three to three,

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so a little bit lower Rhinebocker six point two zero.

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So I think for fantasy, I'm leaning Ryan Backer. He's

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definitely right that no one's app planting Lane Hudson anytime soon,

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01:10:56,039 --> 01:10:59,159
so he's probably going to get secondary scoring, maybe secondary

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01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:01,640
power play, which for something you definitely get a little

1265
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,279
bit of boost there. And looking at the hockey prospecting

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between the two, it's way higher for Ryan Baker. He finished,

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He's right now at twenty four percent chance of being

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a star of Vallander just four percent. Both of these

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guys will be in the NHL. I'm very confident and

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looking at some other comps for Ryan Baker, I think

1271
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,039
a reasonable one is Ivan Provarov had some pretty decent

1272
01:11:20,079 --> 01:11:23,880
secondary scoring, although I think Provarov is a much better

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01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,119
basher than Ryan Backer will be. And then if you

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look at the top down hockey model, fifty six percent

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chance of being a star for Ryan Backer, ninety four

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01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:35,479
percent chance for being an NHLer. So overall, much more

1277
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:37,880
optimistic in that model as we often see for some

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01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,800
of these euro guys. And people might have forgotten about

1279
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,920
Ryan Bocker because he hasn't been playing as many games

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01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,479
the last two seasons. I think you probably worthwhile to

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01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,680
go out and kick some tires and see what you

1282
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,319
can do. You might be able to get a little

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by low on him, especially with late hunts and emerging.

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01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:52,960
And I still think Ryan Baker is going to be

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01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,000
someone you're gonna want to have on your team. I

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01:11:55,039 --> 01:11:57,000
don't think he'll be a Mosid or anything like that.

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01:11:57,079 --> 01:12:00,319
But he will probably be an effective defenseman who will

1288
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,119
put up some numbers anyways for your fantasy team, So

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probably worth a risk if the price isn't too high.

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That's it for the Canadians dig. If you are patroon,

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