Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Beaconiana Show.
It has been a while. Stephen has not been on
in a while. Radlib, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: Very good? And I and I recall, I believe the
last time we were talking about sorry, what's it called?
You kill people when they're old and sick and stuff?
Speaker 1: Oh h how are both are both of us gotten
so old that we can't remember what it? What it is? What? What?
Speaker 2: What the That's right? The last time last time I
was on, it was about euthanasia. So I'm afraid. Uh,
someday I'll come on and we're gonna have a really
cheerful conversation, but today is not that day.
Speaker 1: Oh man. Oh well. The reason I invited you on
is because I have been following what you've been doing
lately on your channel, and this this episode about Israel,
in particular about Israel panoptikon is there's some things about
it that you know, I'll stop you at certain points
to it just seems unbelievable. It just seems like some
kind of weird movie where all of a sudden you're
watching this thing and then you're like, oh, oh, that's
why they're doing this. Oh okay, but no, I mean,
we'll wait, we'll get to that. Well, I mean talk
about what, Well, how.
Speaker 2: About I show my series really quick to give people
some colleagues right out how I even ended up on
this topic, and that is I've been doing a series
called the Specialist Relationship. I looked it up at the
real word special special er, specialist, right, And so what
is the specialist? We talk about the special relationship between
the UK and the US, but I think we all
know there's an even more special, a most special of
all relationship between the US and the state of Israel. Right.
That's being brought home today as we're learning that disaster
relief funds are contingent upon Israel being happy with you
and you're not sanctioning them or whatever, you know, the
boycotting them, I should say, boycotting Israel in anyway. So yeah,
so that's a very special relationship. In fact, on Twitter,
I was checking in with Apostolic Majesty and other trusted people.
Could they think of a parallel to the relationship between
US and Israel historically that we can like compare it to.
Oh yeah, it's just like you know, when Switzerland was
running all of Russia or something, you know, and he said, frankly,
he couldn't. It is really unprecedented, which is what John
Meersheimer said that the relationship between US and Israel, we
really have no historical parallel, you know, a negligible military
power that just seems to make this huge military power
dance to its tune. Right, So I thought that was
worth digging into. So I started in a very basic way.
To veterans, this is not going to be very exciting.
I just went through the Israel Lobby by Stephen Wald
and John Meherscheimer. Right to me, that's one oh one material.
I'd never really gone through it. I poked around, but
I hadn't really gone through it carefully. So first I
just did I think five episodes, just marching through that book,
getting the basics under our belt of how the Israel
Lobby functions, as well as let me get Mehersheimer on
what they're do. They confront a lot of the arguments
that are often used to say, well, there's a reason
for this relationship. Israel is a strategic asset for the US,
and there's a moral justification for this, and you know,
they address all of those things. They do a great job.
I think it holds up very well. I mean, it's
going on twenty years old now, it holds up really
well in terms of addressing a lot of the propaganda
we hear. But of course they also just go into
the mechanics of how does the Israel lobby function, how
does it have such an influence on the ruling elite.
So having done that, then I wanted to go beyond
Meerscheimer and Walt and talk about the role of the underworld,
the mafia in for example, the founding of Israel. I
thought that was pretty interesting. And then on this one
that caught Pete's attention, I heard someone say something and
it got my attention. I asked him, tell me what
you mean. He said, we are all Palestinians now, and
I was like, what are you getting that there? And
so I'll just jump right to the punchline. Weapons, psychological warfare,
surveillance tech and more are battle tested on the Palestinians
like in Gaza, as we've been seeing for the last
two years, and then they're sold by the State of
Israel to governments around the world to be used on us.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's the revieal. That's like if you're watching
a movie and there are these you know, there's this
gorilla faction and they're going up against this like mechanized
army who has control over them, controls how much water
and food comes in. And then you know, you're like, well,
why is this happening? This doesn't make any sense. Well,
then you get this reveal that, oh, Israel sells all
of these things weapons and surveillance systems and everything, but
not before testing them out on a popular people ask well,
why didn't they just get rid of the Palestinians, Why
didn't they just kill them all? Why didn't they just
you know, send them something I mean for the center
of the ocean, put them on a barge and put
them in the center of the Mediterranean and sink it. Well,
because then then they don't have they don't have mice to.
Speaker 2: Test things on exactly. Now, let me bring the money elemented.
I know this my chalk, you pete that there's a
monetary aspect to this deal. Make the money off this.
Speaker 1: I am floored.
Speaker 2: But the money Israel makes by selling you know, cyber
warfare stuff, weapons and so on and so forth, not
only is it critical to keeping Israel afloat today. It's
actually been critical for decades. That's one of the things
I learned digging into this. Now I'm going to focus
more on the sexy new cyber technology stuff, right, But
the material I was reading was also talking about them
selling weapons to South Africa and so on and so
forth decades ago. So this is not new. This is
part of how the Israel project keeps going is it
comes up with new stuff and it sells it to people.
And this battle tested on Palestinian thing is literally like
a market slogan for them. You know, we are trying
this out. We are tracking every Palestinian's movement. You could do.
You could have that amazing technology for yourself, for your
own citizens. Isn't that nice?
Speaker 1: I'll buy it. I'll buy that for a dollar. If
you remember RoboCop, thank you?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, So let's see what's the easiest way
here we go? All right, So I'm going to draw
from two things. An article in a book. I'll start
with the article. It's a Jonathan Cook article. He's been
on this topic for some years and this one's a
little old, but I kind of like that because I
want to emphasize, you know, a lot of what we're
talking about these days in regards to Israel is related
to October seventh and what's happened since then in Kaza. Right,
this is an older story that is totally relevant to
the Gaza story, but it didn't start then, right, And
so this isn't actually an article that he wrote in
December twenty nineteen. I think it was published January twenty twenty,
but it's December nineteen. And let me give you a
little bit from it. So Israeli analyst Jeff Helper. And
by the way, I think everyone I'm quoting from is Jewish.
The book, the article, the sources for the article in
the book, they're like all Jewish, Okay, As we know,
there's Jewish people who do aren't totally down with the
way the state of Israel functions. Israeli analyst Jeff Helper
warned that Israel is treating the millions of Palestinians under
its military rule effectively as guinea pigs in open air laboratories.
They have become the test bet for developing not only
new conventional weapons systems, but also new tools for mass
surveillance and control. And as I mentioned, there's been a
transition recently. They'd been doing what you'd usually think of
as military weapons for some time, but in recent years,
meaning starting fifteen years ago or more, they've been transitioning
into like cyber warfare type stuff, you know, cracking our
phones and being able to find out what we're up
to in our devices or digital devices and so forth. Right,
So Israel can rightly claim to be a world authority
on surveilling, controlling and oppressing populations under its rule. So
if you separate your feelings from this and just do
a business analysis, what's a unique selling proposition that Israel has.
It's occupying these occupied areas, it's surveilling, control, trying to
control these populations. It knows through experience how to do, uh,
you know, deal with a mob, deal with an angry mob, right,
how to spy on this population, how to get people, uh,
find people they want to find within the population, Right,
all that kind of stuff. From a strictly business point
of view, They've got a unique selling proposition here, right,
And people are buying in large quantities.
Speaker 1: Yeah. People don't want to buy something unless it's been tested.
And if you can say that it's been tested, you know,
And I mean I think pretty much most of the
world has come to the conclusion that testing things on
humans against their will is probably wrong. Yeah, but you know,
as long as they have this victim, as long as
they keep this victim cut, I mean, you know. But
here that's the thing though, is if you're if you
have this selling proposition, the people you're dealing with can
no longer believe that you're the victim.
Speaker 2: Well that's an interesting point.
Speaker 1: They have to see you as these mad scientists who
you're I mean, like literally you're buying stuff off of
mad scientists and yeah, and unscrupulous, so you have to
wonder what you're buying. So like, like October seventh, that
whole security system defense everything that is a package that
they sold to other countries and other countries are relying
on that working, and on October seventh, none of it worked.
So I mean they just got revealed a scam artist
for anybody who bought that.
Speaker 2: So right, yet they're doing okay business wise, as we'll see. Yeah,
and I didn't pull this part from my notes. But
there's this great movie with Will Smith called Enemy of
the State. I often recommend it all about you know,
excellent movie, full spectrum surveillance basically right. It follows the
Gene Hackman movie. The Conversation also recommended. Ideally watch a
one and watch the older one, then watch the new one.
Speaker 1: The Conversation is one of the greatest movies of the
nineteen seventies. You have to watch a movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll find it. Watch The Conversation from the seventies.
Watch Enemy of the State much much later, but it's
definitely a sequel. Gene Hackman appears an enemy of the
state and it makes a great sequence. Anyway, an enemy
of the state. Wherever Will Smith goes, you know, there's
a camera, there's something figuring out that he used a card.
You know, somehow he keeps getting tracked no matter what
he does. They can figure out where he is. Right Well,
that's one of the things they talk about. They're showing
off this tech to their customers. Hey, look, we can
track this one Palestinian in Gaza and as he goes
from this camera to the next camera, we can you know,
we have technology that can figure out, okay, he's now
gone here, and it's just jumping views right and tracking
other you know, transactions he's making. And we can literally
follow this guy all day. Through through all of our
various surveillance systems, and it's straight out of enemy of
the state, you know anyway, Okay, so a key thing.
I'm going to try not to drown everyone with details,
but I did want to give some representative company Israeli
company names. And if you're going to know about these companies,
you got to know where they spring from. And a
lot of them spring from something called Unit eighty two hundred.
Had you heard about this already, Pete.
Speaker 1: I reference it quite often, yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, right, so not new to the Pizez audience.
So Israeli army intelligence units like eighty two hundred teach
soldiers how to spy on Palestinians through their phones, computers,
and social media accounts, right, all this cyber stuff. Many
later go on to set up companies developing similar soft
for for more general application, and so they develop stuff,
they have to get permission from the Israeli government to
export what they develop. They have to get an export
license or something like that. So the Israeli government might
try to distance itself sometimes from these things, but it's
hip deep. It's coming straight out of there. It's like
all the people, Pete, who are like, well, I used
to be in the CIA, but you know I'm over
that now, right, And we're all like, yeah, sure you are.
So we have all these people who used to be
in Unit eighty two hundred. Now they work for a
private company and Israel. They develop something and Israel gives
them permission to sell it off to governments around the world. Right, So,
who are the big purchasers of Israeli technology like this? States?
Obviously around the world and private corporations. Private corporations will
buy some of this to spy on their competitors and
things like that. Okay. Having said that, I think this
is notable. Silicon Valley companies are sometimes pretty unhappy with
the hacking technology that Israeli Israel's putting out there. So
unhappy in fact, And we have an update this year.
On this October twenty nineteen, WhatsApp, owned by Facebook or
Meta now right, initiated the first lawsuit of its kind
in a California court against NSO, Israeli's largest surveillance company.
They accused NSO of cyber attacks, for example, in a
two week period in early May twenty eighteen. I think
examined by WhatsApp, NSO is reported to have targeted the
mobile phones of more than fourteen hundred users in twenty countries.
So WhatsApp is like, hey, we want our users to
be secure in using our app, and you guys keep hacking.
This is against our interest. We're going to suit you. Right, Well,
here's the update I just checked on this date. Didn't
realize this until I looked it up. Lawsuit just concluded
in May this year and Meta want and NSO owes
them one hundred and sixty seven million dollars in damages.
So interesting story there. Let's see then NSO spyware which
is known as Pegasus. That's another term to remember. Pegasus
has been used against human rights activists, lawyers, religious leaders, journalists,
aid workers, the stuff going in Gaza, right, The aid
workers have absolutely been targeted, I've noticed. And then according
to Reuter's, senior officials of US and allies have US
allies have also been targeted by NSO. And so what
does it do Pegasus after taking charge of the user's
phone without their knowledge, Pegasus copies data, turns on the
microphone for surveillance. That's the part that freaked me out.
So it scrapes and then it just turns it on
and just listens in see what you can hear.
Speaker 1: Right, And we know it's there, and we know that
it can be that it's always listening. Anyone who has
Facebook knows that knows that it's always listening.
Speaker 2: My wife said something like, I'm seeing ads about something
that I said verbally but did not type into the phone.
What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's happened to me. It's happened to me
many times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so Forbes magazine described Pegas's as the world's
most invasive mobile spy kit. Okay, now I'm pulling from
the book that we'll get to, uh in more depth
in a moment.
Speaker 1: But that's why. Let me let me just let me
just let you know. I went off on my live
stream like a month and a half two months ago
about how you're on Twitter as in a noon and
you think that nobody knows who you are? There is
no anonymous anymore. Yeah, yeah, you're not you if you're
screaming about a certain group all day or accusing everybody
who disagrees with you of being that group, or saying
you know that they know who you are, they know
they have your information. It's your your only safety would
be you're not public You're not safe from public power
and force. You may be safe from private power and force,
but that's it. And I'm not even sure about that
anymore because a lot of these yeah, I don't know
if you're going to talk about that. A lot of
these companies work with like Antifah and Indivisible Falls. Yeah, yeah,
funnels that information.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, pe I hear, I hear guys some
of them friends of mine who are like, you don't
understand my op sec is the best op seck in
the world. And I'm like, sure, good luck, I hope
it is. Yeah, right, Okay, So a little more on
this ns O company that produces pegasos. This is from
Snowden whistle Uh. Edward Snowden calls n s O and
other companies like them the insecurity industry. He puts it bluntly,
the phone in your hand exists in a state of
perpetual insecurity, open to infection by any willing to put
money in the hand of the new insecurity industry. The
entirety of the industry's business involves cooking up new kinds
of infections that will bypass the very latest digital vaccines,
security updates, and then selling them to countries that occupy
the red hot intersection of a Venn diagram between desperately
craves tools of oppression and sorely lacks the sophistication to
produce them domestically. An industry like this whose sole purpose
is the production of vulnerability should be dismantled. Right. So
you know, I'm obviously interested in this being used on
us in the West, right in the US and Western
countries and so forth. But I'll just mention for those
interested as not in references, there a lot of sort
of third world countries that are not very sophisticated in
their governance, but they want to have this kind of tech.
They just go to Israel and buy it, get it
off the shelf from Israel. Right. They don't have to
have the IQ or whatever to develop this stuff, they
just get it from them.
Speaker 1: Well, here's another something I will say about Snowden. Yeah,
I don't know that I one d trust Snowden, but
he is putting information out. If he is a limited hangout,
think about that, he's giving you less than what is
out there. Yeah, so ye take it if you think
that Snowden is this op or something like that. He's
putting stuff out there that has proved to be true.
If he's not giving you everything, just imagine what you're not,
what you don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not better off than Snowden pictures, whereas bad
or probably worse than the picture Snowden gives us. Absolutely. Yeah, okay,
So let me introduce another name, black Cube. Uh, this
caught my attention. Another one of these Israeli security companies.
Black Cube worked on behalf of disgraced Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein,
collecting information on women who'd accuse him of sexual assault
or rape. That that's quite interesting to me, Pete, because
I don't know if you noticed, but some of our
say very vital friends online started coming out in defensive
Weinstein and saying, you know, he needs to be he
needs to be brought back and everything.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, I mean, I don't. I've never seen the
case file. I've never read the case. I assume he's
guilty just because of the industry he's in and knowing
the whole history of that industry and what it is,
I assume he's guilty. I'm not. I'm not going to
assume his innocence but yeah, knowing that he was using
is I mean, this just sounds like Leo Frank to me. Yeah,
where you know, a Jewish a Jewish guy gets accused
of something and all of a sudden, now he has
access to you know, in Leo frans case, millions, you know,
thirty million in today's dollars for his defense. And then
then yeah, and Harvey Weinstein has access to spy software
from the Unity eighty two hundred, Okay.
Speaker 2: Right, right, He's just lucky that way. You know, sometimes
sometimes some people all it all comes up good for them,
you know, it just he has really good friends exactly.
One of Black Cube's founders, Dan Zarella, a veteran of
the Israeli military's secret Special Operations Unit. Staff for the
company are typically recruited from Masad, the army or the
shin Bet, Israel's domestic intelligence agency that spies on Palestinians.
The late Meyer de Gan, a former Massad had, was
at one point the company's president. So as we see
in the US PEDE, and this is not that different, right,
We'll see the rotating door between like an intelligence agency
and a company that is either a out or very
very closely aligned, like Pallanteer or.
Speaker 1: Something like that.
Speaker 2: Right with these with these folks. So same deal in Israel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, meyer's a gun. Another guy who was born in Israel. Oh,
no way, he was born in Ukraine. Imagine that.
Speaker 2: There you go. Okay, one more. Anivo, an Israeli data
collection company established by two veterans of Unit eighty two hundred,
was acquired by Facebook in twenty thirteen. Interesting, here's Facebook
on the other side of the table. Here. Apple banned
the Anovo VPN in twenty eighteen over revelations that was
providing unlimited access to users data. I have wondered about
the VPN stuff, Peepe. I'm like, I've got to really
know the people who are selling this VPN stuff before
I installed on my stuff my devices, because they get
everything right, they can track it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be able to find out exactly
who who's in charge of that stuff, who owns these things?
I mean, you know, I think it's It doesn't escape
me that there's a gun company historically German gun company,
who now has headquarters here and manufactures guns here, and
all of a sudden the guns start going off for
no reason and killing their users. When I heard about
that they get a new CEO whose last name is Cohne.
Yeah yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, that is that damn
iq where I just I notice all these patterns.
Speaker 2: Exactly, Okay, and then I again, I'm I'm ill. I'll
be honest. I'm sharing this one a little bit for
the disgust factor, but it is relevant. Another leading Israeli
firm is called Candiru c A N d I r U,
named for a small Amazonian fish that is reputed to
secretly invade the human body where it becomes a parasite.
So they name their company after this glorious little creature.
Kandiu sells its hacking tools mostly to Western governments, although
it is its operations are shrouded in secrecy. According to Rats,
its staff is drawn almost exclusively from Unit eighty two hundred.
Speaker 1: Okay, and just just a reminder, I mean, I don't
have to tell this to people who are in the
computer industry, hardware or software. The people who come up
with these things have backdoors into them. Yeah right, So oh,
that's just going to the French. That's just going to
the French government. The French government's getting all that information now.
Speaker 2: Right right, yeah, Okay, So That's what I wanted to
draw from the article. There's more to it if you
if you look that article up by Jonathan Cook. But
now I want to turn to a book called The
Palestine Laboratory. I don't need to explain the title at
this point you know exactly what he's talking about. And
it's by Anthony Lowenstein. Guessing he's Jewish. I didn't check, but.
Speaker 1: That sounds really irish to me.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but good for him for calling this
stuff out. So now this book was published after October seventh,
so I actually thought i'd start keep a topical. Now
start with him writing a little bit about October seventh
and this perspective of sort of what Israel gets out
of these things. And by the way, I didn't really
find it for Israel in particular, but I was reading
reading around this area, and someone was pointing out that
the United States defense industry also sells its tech to
other countries. And the naive view would be, oh, well,
when the US is really like winning in its foreign
conflicts or whatever, then it's really selling stuff. And what
the author explained is it doesn't matter the US can
leave Afghanistan and humiliation. It's still selling stuff, win or lose.
As long as there's conflict, as long as there's battle testing,
then you were able to sell what you're developing through this.
Even if from a certain point of view you lost,
somebody's still getting rich off the conflict, right, Okay, So
he says, I'm going to jump right in. Talking about
October seventh, Lowenstein says it was a failure of catastrophic proportions,
reminiscent of the US missing the key signs before their
tear attacks on September eleventh. None of this has stopped
Israel live testing new weapons during its Scorched Earth campaign
in Gaza. After October seventh, these tools of war were
proudly displayed on social media for both the domestic and
international audience as well as potential global buyers. Israel used
artificial intelligence enabled weapons, striking non military targets with unprecedented ferocity.
It's a mass assassination factory. One Israeli intelligence officer said,
this is how the Palestine laboratory works. It's for this
reason that I expect the Israeli weapons industry to thrive
after October seventh. Israel's leading defense company, el Bit, the
lb I t already wrote that it was experiencing a
considerable increased demand global arms fairs in Singapore, and Sarah
and Paris saw large Israeli presence promoting weapons, killer drones
and surveillance tech that had been battle tested in Gaza.
I'm picturing, you know, like a scene on TV or
something battle tested in Gaza, you know, with like a
little logo they've.
Speaker 1: Made or something, oh like you know, the like really
over the top kind of add five minute ad presentation
with with female the only the most good looking female
IDF soldiers in bikinis, and it's I mean, this is
what comes to mind. I mean, I grew up, Yeah,
I grew up in the Cold War. We saw stuff
like this in movie all the time. I mean, and
that this isn't a movie, this is real life.
Speaker 2: Right by the way, continue showing my series. The last
entry entry on it was Thursday, and I talked about
how they used gal Gado for They were like, hey,
Israel's not Israel's reputation is falling. Everybody associates us with
war and conflict. We need to show that we're young,
we're hip, we're sexy, we're high tech. And so they
literally used miss Israel two thousand and four, gal Gado,
who we all know of now, and various male Israeli
soldiers in not very many clothes to appeal to a
different kind of audience, shall we say, Yeah, so shameless.
I covered some of the propaganda on Thursday, And what
was really fun about that stream is that somebody jumped
in there and started using the propaganda techniques against me
as I was doing the stream, and I'm literally saying,
as I'm explaining a propaganda technique, I'm like, hey, you
to turn your page to the next manual. You know,
we just we just explained that one. I don't think
it's gonna work, so try something else, you know.
Speaker 1: It was it was awesome. You what was his name, Bob?
You had fun with Bob?
Speaker 2: Bob. Yeah. I did not pay him. I did not
ask for this. It was just sometimes you get lucky anyway. Okay.
It's guaranteed that the tools of death so are ruthlessly
used in guys that will soon appear in other conflict zones. Okay,
now this blew my mind, Pete, as people probably know
they are these, I have three organizations in my head.
Maybe you know about more, Pete. But in the UK,
we have hope not hate. In the US, we have
Anti Defamation League ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center SPLC right,
and as far as I can tell, they're all very similar.
They operate in similar ways, they have similar targets, and
similar people staff and support these organizations. Shall we say,
but this I didn't know. In two thousand and four,
the US based pro Israel Anti Defamation League, a self
described civil rights organization, began sending US police delegations to Israel.
It hoped to give these officers invaluable insights in the
wake of September eleventh attacks into how Israel tackled counter
terrannism terrorism. More than one thousand police have since visited
Israel with the ADL program and other pro Israel groups.
They learn what Israel has to tell them about suicide bombers,
intelligence gathering, and terrorism. The Israelification is Raelification, remember that term,
The Israelification of US security services accelerated immediately after nine
to eleven. Israel is the Harvard of anti terrorism, As
US Capitol Police Chief Terrence W. Gainer pointed out in
two thousand and five, So I knew ADL was like
trying to you know, putting us on hate maps and
sort of all the things. You know, I didn't know
that they were like training our police.
Speaker 1: What Scott Horton has talked about this for a while. Yes, Okay,
they send Yeah, they send them. They're the allegedly the
ne on the neck George Floyd thing. Apparently that's Israeli.
That's an Israeli tactic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, sorry, I'm repeating one company. But there was
a little more on NSO I wanted to pull from
the book here. The trajectory of NSO is symptomatic of
an Israeli tradition and testing, marketing and proliferating surveillance technologies
across the globe. The reasons behind this were explained by
the former head of Israel's Defense Export Control Agency, Eli Pinko,
who told a private conference in late twenty twenty one
that the Jewish state had no choice but to sell
weapons and cybertech to anyone who asks. It's either the
civil rights in some country or Israel's right to exist.
He said, I would like to see each of you
face this STI lemon and say no, we will champion
human rights in the other country. Gentlemen. It doesn't work.
And I just want to make an editorial here. He
used the magic phrase that I've been noticing Israel's right
to exist as far as I can tell, For some people,
Israel's right to exist justifies anything everything. There's no limit
to what you can do under the rubric of Israel's
right to exist. Have you noticed this?
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate straw man. No, you know, there aren't
aren't people really making that argument. Most of the people
who are making the argument that Israel doesn't have a
right to exist are like far right spurgs, who you know,
have no power to do that, have no power to
hurt Israel. But most people are just like No, Israel
should just be like every other country. And maybe maybe
somebody should ask the question of well, what brought this on?
What other country in the world? You know? Is is
there a population next or that is constantly trying to
destroy it? But the reason they're trying to destroy it
is because they're basically hostages. Yeah, I mean, I know,
hostages can sound like a straw man. Oh, they can
leave if they want to. It takes money to leave
most of these people, and most of these people don't
have enough calories in order to.
Speaker 2: Travel This is millions of people. By the way, everybody
seems to talk about it, like, oh, it's no you know,
send a boat over, put them on the boat. It's
gonna be a lot of boats, buddy.
Speaker 1: And where do they go?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who wants them?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Nobody want they destabilize Lebanon. As I got to
be with Hunger the di merchant recently in person, and
he was talking about how they destabilized Lebanon when Palestinians
came there. Right, Egypt is teetering on the brink, as
I understand it. Egypt's not in a very stable political situation.
They do not want a million or two Polyestinians to
add fuel to the fire over there, and we.
Speaker 1: Don't want them here, and European count your most Europeans
don't want them. And you know, the thing is is
that the whole thing about Hunger talking about them destabilizing
Lebanon and everything, it's not the only country they've ever
done that in. That doesn't mean that I'm going to
take Israel's side. Palestinians didn't like bring the porn industry here,
and they don't have like any over representation and government
here and an overrepresentation in banking here, and an overrepresentation
in academia here, and an overrepresentation in pretty much every culture.
They don't, they don't, But Palestinians don't have videos out
there bragging about how they were responsible for Martin Luther
King Junior and Harvey Milk a disgusting per you know,
and you know and and yeah, I mean sorry, I
know who my I know who my enemy is. I
may not want I may not want to be you know,
bring a whole bunch of Palestinians here, especially ones that
are basically PTSD from birth, But I know who. But
I know who my enemy is. I know who my
real enemy is.
Speaker 2: And you know, when we talk about Palestinians destabilizing Lebanon
or whatever, as Hunger said, that didn't just happen randomly.
It's because they got displaced from where they'd been living
for two thousand years, right, And so you know, one
thing led to another anyway, Okay, I'm going to hit
you with two more companies and then I'm done. I
didn't want to just overwhelm everybody with detail. I wanted
to give you the main story, right, this battle tested
in Kaza story. Okay, so founded in the nineteen nineties
Celebright Cell. Celebright started out as a consumer technology firm,
but by the twenty tens was deep into the surveillance
business and mobile phone hacking because it's all the potential
of huge profits from working with law enforcement officials around
the world. Over twy eight hundred US government customers, including
law enforcement agency including the Department of Veterans Affairs the
Department of Agriculture have purchased the company's equipment, and the
firm is hired prosecutors, police officers, and Secret Service service
agents to train people to use it. I told you
all this to tell you this about Celebrate. Encrypted smartphones
are routinely and successfully broken into with Celebrate tech. Upturn
found that it had been done hundreds of thousands of
times between twenty fifteen and twenty twenty. Right, so you've
got you know, I'm a big Apple user. They have
a huge emphasis on privacy, you know, like AI on
an Apple phone doesn't phone home, it does it all
on your phone, for example. But one suspects that Celebrates
figured out ways to get into my iPhone. Nonetheless, right,
I'm going to assume that.
Speaker 1: And once again, you think you're anonymous and you're not.
You think, oh, I'm using this throwaway email and I'm
using a a Google phone number that you know, I mean,
they can get into your phone. It's likely. What do
you think you're doing here?
Speaker 2: Right? Okay? And then finally SI Group and it's heyday.
Side Group was busy deploying a range of software and
people working as quasi spies in the US with social
media and dark web searches and on the ground surveillance
to monitor Jewish and Palestinian supporters of the boycott, divestment
and sanctions movement, the BDS movement around twenty seventeen. And
it has been a theme, by the way, I talked
about it on Thursday. With the propaganda the BDS movement
has I didn't really I didn't think much of it.
I didn't think of it as very effective or whatever.
But Israel's worried about it. I can tell you that
based on the propaganda and as we see here the
technology deployed against the BDS folks. And then of course
we saw with the campus protests after October seventh against
what Israel was doing in Kaza. Israel did not go, oh,
it's just students, don't worry about it. They came down
very hard, had you know, Jewish billionaires pulling funding from
the universities, telling Columbia you better get this under control.
And as far as I can tell, the college is obeyed.
I mean, maybe you know the story better, Pete, but.
Speaker 1: Oh no, But you know the BBS movement. I'm not
really aware of how how much that hurts Israel, but.
Speaker 2: They're afraid of it for some reason.
Speaker 1: But ten but ten years ago, I had seen an
article about how in Texas you can't get a state
contract or become like a state employee unless you you
have to sign something. This was ten years ago where
you have to basically deny or what do they call
when you deny or I am when you say, oh,
I have nothing to do with this. I think they're evil.
What the hell's what's the term anology? What's the word
about it for? You know, you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Something like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, denounce, Yeah, you have to denounce the
BDS movement. This is ten years ago in Texas. And
then you had what last year, some little town found
out that like four million dollars of their tax money.
It may be less than that, don't quote me on that,
but over a million dollars of their tax money every
year was going to Israel, and the town started looking
into it and was like, you know this, this money
would be better off at home. And Greg Abbott came
out and said, you know, this is a town of
anti Summites. Yeah. I talk about this all the time.
In the eighties. If you use the term Zog, they
would break your door down. I mean they would like
literally send the FBI to your house.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now it's like it's so obvious that like people are
using people are using that term openly in public, and
like no one's doing it anything because too many. Yeah,
it's it's proliferic.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned I'm glad you mentioned zog peak
because I wanted to humbly I'm not sure I've seen
this anywhere else, but based on what we're learning today,
I want to humbly submit that we might consider zmech.
It's not as fun to say as zog, but the
Zionist military industrial complex. It's one way we could refer
to this mass here.
Speaker 1: Right, it's bad enough dealing with our own in this country,
also with the caveat that so much of that is
controlled by yeah, is by Jewish money, right right, But
yet then we have to deal with the with the
other one, and the other one is yeah yeah, And
then you have another country that is basically using all
of their tech, selling it to other countries, making money
off of it, but still being able to profit off
of it by it with information. I mean, it's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's quite the scam. Yeah, okay, So I'll just share
the last on the Side Group here. Yakov Amadrur, the
former national security advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin Nyah, who
told The New Yorker that he worked with the company
because the Israeli government was there, not there watching Palestinian activists,
and I thought that if private people are ready to
do it, it can be helped. His advice to Side
Group staff was don't beat them, don't go into their houses.
The mission was to expose BDS supporters. Side Group staff
were told the operation was legal and to particularly focus
on BDS leaders at American universities. The company collaborated with
the new conservative and pro war Washington think tank Foundation
for Defensive Democracies. Just in case you haven't heard of
FDD before, that name keeps popping up in my research,
So anyway I could go on and on. I didn't
want to lose people just through sheer detail. I wanted
to give you a flavor of it. I think, if
you want something short, look for the Jonathan Cook article.
If you want to deeper dive the Palestine Laboratory by
Anthony Lowenstein. But you get the picture. They develop it
on the Palestinians as guinea pigs, they sell it to
our governments. The governments use it on us. That's the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, if you're not completely if you haven't
been complete, not completely, but if your brain isn't zogged
to the point where you can't feel bad for the Palestinians. Yeah,
and you do feel bad. I mean, this is so
much worse when you know. It's like if you thought
that they had a genuine hatred for these people and
they just wanted to punish them. You could almost look
at history and be like, Okay, one people has done
that to another people over and over again. We're just
seeing it live on TV, We're seeing it live on
the internet, live on X whatever. When you realize it's
just like a testing ground for or tech, it's like, yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 2: It's very dark. I mean it is I'm thinking of
like seventies movies with the paranoia in some of those movies,
you know, where he's digging, he's digging, and then finally
he finds the secret meeting where they're planning at all.
You know, it's that kind of thing. It's like you're paranoid.
Seventies nightmare is just a line of business for Israel,
a very important line of business for Israel.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, but you also let's not Yeah, here's
what I like to say. Okay, it's easy to blame
everything on the Jews. Let's blame everything on them because
you know, there are Jews in very key positions, right,
but they don't make this money unless people buy this
stuff from them. Absolutely, it's always they can't do what
they do alone. Yeah, you know they kicked out of
one hundred and nine countries. Well guess what they were in.
They were invited into almost every single one of those
countries by somebody who was thinking to benefit They were
going to benefit from having them there.
Speaker 2: Right, let's not forget the people, well, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Right, let's let's not forget the Let's not forget this
because you know, it's very easy. But if they go away,
if that goes away, these people are going to look
for somebody else to do it. They may even set
it up if they go away. That's a vacuum that's
been that's been created that they that somebody will step
in and fill and it'll just be another group. And
it's just I mean, this is this is a lot
bigger when you really think about this, This is a
whole lot bigger than just this one group of people who, yeah,
you know they.
Speaker 2: Well to have the emphasis you're saying is that, you know,
because of the history you've been delving into on your channel,
we might not want to put our chips on you know,
a big change in behavior on the part of Israel
and Israelis and so forth. Right that there's a certain consistency.
I think you've been pointing this out. There's a certain
consistency over centuries. Right, So, uh, this is the you know,
definition of insanity. Right, Well, we'll just change them, we'll
fix them. Okay, Well, there's another way to come at it,
And I think that's what you're pointing to. That is
probably a healthier, more sane thing to do. How about
we fix ourselves because they're just going to be how
they are. But we don't have to be the other
side of these these wicked transactions with you know, stuff
they've developed on in Gaza, on human victims. Right, we
could tell our governments we don't want you to buy
that stuff and use it on us.
Speaker 1: Don't do that, right, They can't occupy us without collaborators.
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, And we're probably better off focusing on
the collaborators that are like our own people, right than
thinking that we're going to like turn them around and
have them suddenly act differently than they have for two
thousand years.
Speaker 1: You're not going to change You're not going to change them.
Especially if you think that this is metaphysical, you're not
going to change you know, if you think this is
a spiritual war, you're not going to change them. The
only way you're going to change them is through conversion.
Speaker 2: I'm saying we can pray for that, but yeah, you
don't want to make your plans for tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Based on that, right, correct?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think you said that said this people.
One of the things I did want to bring home
is something that's bothered me online because I post a
lot of stuff about Israel and Gaza and so forth.
And one of the responses that has gotten under my
skin a little is when people say, hey, look man,
it's just two sand people fighting over there. What's this
got to do with me? Well, I would say the
show today is one way to answer that question. Here,
it's got a lot to do with you. In fact,
turns out it's affecting your life. It's affecting how you
are being treated in your society in the West.
Speaker 1: Right, You you want to live a life, you you
have an expectation of privacy in your own home. Yeah,
And this is a this is a country who is
developing tech. These are people who are developing technology to
make sure that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And American our companies or American companies or companies that
I mean, who knows if they're American anymore? Can a
corporation really be considered to be American when you're public
that's you know, when you're on the stock exchange or
yeah at or use bonds and go stormy And I
need to do a long, deep dive into that. But yeah,
the this is a whole we really need to start looking.
I mean, if we're not going to change them. Then
we have to concentrate on changing what we have here.
And if we can't change what we have here, okay,
what we do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's what I got, Thanks Pete. Yeah, no,
please channel I use. My name is Stephen Carson. I'm
not in a on. I put my name on my
channel name on there just as marketing. My channel name's
Radical Liberation. I have been doing a series on the
US's real relationship. There's a little bit more to it
than I've even mentioned. Oh I know, here's another one
to mention target Russia. I talked about how a one
hundred years ago Jacob Schiff, an important banker in the
early late nineteen thirty twenty century, worked with other bankers
to get Japan money so that it could keep going
in a war against Russia because all the way back
then they were targeting Russia. So I thought that was
really interesting. There's more about that.
Speaker 1: There's more to it than that too, because on you know,
our two hundred Years Together series, while Russia is bogged
down in this war against Japan and they're being funded
by the West and being funded by Jewish, by Jewish
millionaires all over the world. Ye, Jewish revolutionaries are rising
up in Russia to overthrow the czar.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the one of the reasons why people
will look and say Russia lost the Russo Japanese War, Well,
they had to pull their troops back home because they
had a freaking revolution had just had just started. So
and the revolution was led by overwhelmingly yeah Jewish thought
leaders and so yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, it's I I've been I've been saying on Twitter, Pete,
this rabbit hole doesn't seem to have any bottom, but
I think you know that more than me.
Speaker 1: So yeah. Well, well, former former president, I uh, I
appreciate you coming on today.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Thanks Radle. Take care,