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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Beaconiana Show.

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It has been a while. Stephen has not been on

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in a while. Radlib, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Very good? And I and I recall, I believe the

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last time we were talking about sorry, what's it called?

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You kill people when they're old and sick and stuff?

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Speaker 1: Oh h how are both are both of us gotten

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so old that we can't remember what it? What it is? What? What?

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Speaker 2: What the That's right? The last time last time I

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was on, it was about euthanasia. So I'm afraid. Uh,

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someday I'll come on and we're gonna have a really

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cheerful conversation, but today is not that day.

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Speaker 1: Oh man. Oh well. The reason I invited you on

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is because I have been following what you've been doing

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lately on your channel, and this this episode about Israel,

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in particular about Israel panoptikon is there's some things about

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it that you know, I'll stop you at certain points

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to it just seems unbelievable. It just seems like some

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kind of weird movie where all of a sudden you're

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watching this thing and then you're like, oh, oh, that's

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why they're doing this. Oh okay, but no, I mean,

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we'll wait, we'll get to that. Well, I mean talk

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about what, Well, how.

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Speaker 2: About I show my series really quick to give people

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some colleagues right out how I even ended up on

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this topic, and that is I've been doing a series

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called the Specialist Relationship. I looked it up at the

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real word special special er, specialist, right, And so what

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is the specialist? We talk about the special relationship between

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the UK and the US, but I think we all

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know there's an even more special, a most special of

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all relationship between the US and the state of Israel. Right.

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That's being brought home today as we're learning that disaster

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relief funds are contingent upon Israel being happy with you

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and you're not sanctioning them or whatever, you know, the

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boycotting them, I should say, boycotting Israel in anyway. So yeah,

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so that's a very special relationship. In fact, on Twitter,

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I was checking in with Apostolic Majesty and other trusted people.

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Could they think of a parallel to the relationship between

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US and Israel historically that we can like compare it to.

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Oh yeah, it's just like you know, when Switzerland was

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running all of Russia or something, you know, and he said, frankly,

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he couldn't. It is really unprecedented, which is what John

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Meersheimer said that the relationship between US and Israel, we

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really have no historical parallel, you know, a negligible military

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power that just seems to make this huge military power

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dance to its tune. Right, So I thought that was

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worth digging into. So I started in a very basic way.

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To veterans, this is not going to be very exciting.

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I just went through the Israel Lobby by Stephen Wald

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and John Meherscheimer. Right to me, that's one oh one material.

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I'd never really gone through it. I poked around, but

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I hadn't really gone through it carefully. So first I

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just did I think five episodes, just marching through that book,

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getting the basics under our belt of how the Israel

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Lobby functions, as well as let me get Mehersheimer on

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what they're do. They confront a lot of the arguments

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that are often used to say, well, there's a reason

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for this relationship. Israel is a strategic asset for the US,

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and there's a moral justification for this, and you know,

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they address all of those things. They do a great job.

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I think it holds up very well. I mean, it's

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going on twenty years old now, it holds up really

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well in terms of addressing a lot of the propaganda

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we hear. But of course they also just go into

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the mechanics of how does the Israel lobby function, how

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does it have such an influence on the ruling elite.

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So having done that, then I wanted to go beyond

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Meerscheimer and Walt and talk about the role of the underworld,

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the mafia in for example, the founding of Israel. I

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thought that was pretty interesting. And then on this one

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that caught Pete's attention, I heard someone say something and

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it got my attention. I asked him, tell me what

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you mean. He said, we are all Palestinians now, and

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I was like, what are you getting that there? And

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so I'll just jump right to the punchline. Weapons, psychological warfare,

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surveillance tech and more are battle tested on the Palestinians

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like in Gaza, as we've been seeing for the last

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two years, and then they're sold by the State of

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Israel to governments around the world to be used on us.

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Speaker 1: That's like, that's the revieal. That's like if you're watching

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a movie and there are these you know, there's this

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gorilla faction and they're going up against this like mechanized

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army who has control over them, controls how much water

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and food comes in. And then you know, you're like, well,

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why is this happening? This doesn't make any sense. Well,

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then you get this reveal that, oh, Israel sells all

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of these things weapons and surveillance systems and everything, but

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not before testing them out on a popular people ask well,

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why didn't they just get rid of the Palestinians, Why

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didn't they just kill them all? Why didn't they just

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you know, send them something I mean for the center

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of the ocean, put them on a barge and put

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them in the center of the Mediterranean and sink it. Well,

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because then then they don't have they don't have mice to.

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Speaker 2: Test things on exactly. Now, let me bring the money elemented.

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I know this my chalk, you pete that there's a

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monetary aspect to this deal. Make the money off this.

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Speaker 1: I am floored.

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Speaker 2: But the money Israel makes by selling you know, cyber

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warfare stuff, weapons and so on and so forth, not

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only is it critical to keeping Israel afloat today. It's

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actually been critical for decades. That's one of the things

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I learned digging into this. Now I'm going to focus

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more on the sexy new cyber technology stuff, right, But

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the material I was reading was also talking about them

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selling weapons to South Africa and so on and so

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forth decades ago. So this is not new. This is

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part of how the Israel project keeps going is it

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comes up with new stuff and it sells it to people.

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And this battle tested on Palestinian thing is literally like

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a market slogan for them. You know, we are trying

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this out. We are tracking every Palestinian's movement. You could do.

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You could have that amazing technology for yourself, for your

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own citizens. Isn't that nice?

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Speaker 1: I'll buy it. I'll buy that for a dollar. If

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you remember RoboCop, thank you?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, So let's see what's the easiest way

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here we go? All right, So I'm going to draw

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from two things. An article in a book. I'll start

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with the article. It's a Jonathan Cook article. He's been

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on this topic for some years and this one's a

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little old, but I kind of like that because I

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want to emphasize, you know, a lot of what we're

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talking about these days in regards to Israel is related

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to October seventh and what's happened since then in Kaza. Right,

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this is an older story that is totally relevant to

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the Gaza story, but it didn't start then, right, And

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so this isn't actually an article that he wrote in

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December twenty nineteen. I think it was published January twenty twenty,

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but it's December nineteen. And let me give you a

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little bit from it. So Israeli analyst Jeff Helper. And

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by the way, I think everyone I'm quoting from is Jewish.

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The book, the article, the sources for the article in

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the book, they're like all Jewish, Okay, As we know,

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there's Jewish people who do aren't totally down with the

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way the state of Israel functions. Israeli analyst Jeff Helper

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warned that Israel is treating the millions of Palestinians under

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its military rule effectively as guinea pigs in open air laboratories.

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They have become the test bet for developing not only

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new conventional weapons systems, but also new tools for mass

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surveillance and control. And as I mentioned, there's been a

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transition recently. They'd been doing what you'd usually think of

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meaning starting fifteen years ago or more, they've been transitioning

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into like cyber warfare type stuff, you know, cracking our

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phones and being able to find out what we're up

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to in our devices or digital devices and so forth. Right,

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So Israel can rightly claim to be a world authority

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on surveilling, controlling and oppressing populations under its rule. So

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if you separate your feelings from this and just do

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a business analysis, what's a unique selling proposition that Israel has.

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It's occupying these occupied areas, it's surveilling, control, trying to

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control these populations. It knows through experience how to do, uh,

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you know, deal with a mob, deal with an angry mob, right,

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how to spy on this population, how to get people, uh,

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find people they want to find within the population, Right,

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all that kind of stuff. From a strictly business point

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of view, They've got a unique selling proposition here, right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. People don't want to buy something unless it's been tested.

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world has come to the conclusion that testing things on

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humans against their will is probably wrong. Yeah, but you know,

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as long as they have this victim, as long as

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they keep this victim cut, I mean, you know. But

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here that's the thing though, is if you're if you

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have this selling proposition, the people you're dealing with can

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no longer believe that you're the victim.

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Speaker 2: Well that's an interesting point.

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Speaker 1: They have to see you as these mad scientists who

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you're I mean, like literally you're buying stuff off of

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mad scientists and yeah, and unscrupulous, so you have to

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wonder what you're buying. So like, like October seventh, that

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whole security system defense everything that is a package that

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they sold to other countries and other countries are relying

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on that working, and on October seventh, none of it worked.

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So I mean they just got revealed a scam artist

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Speaker 2: So right, yet they're doing okay business wise, as we'll see. Yeah,

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the State. I often recommend it all about you know,

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excellent movie, full spectrum surveillance basically right. It follows the

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Gene Hackman movie. The Conversation also recommended. Ideally watch a

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one and watch the older one, then watch the new one.

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Speaker 1: The Conversation is one of the greatest movies of the

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nineteen seventies. You have to watch a movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll find it. Watch The Conversation from the seventies.

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definitely a sequel. Gene Hackman appears an enemy of the

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state and it makes a great sequence. Anyway, an enemy

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of the state. Wherever Will Smith goes, you know, there's

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a camera, there's something figuring out that he used a card.

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that's one of the things they talk about. They're showing

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off this tech to their customers. Hey, look, we can

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track this one Palestinian in Gaza and as he goes

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from this camera to the next camera, we can you know,

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we have technology that can figure out, okay, he's now

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gone here, and it's just jumping views right and tracking

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other you know, transactions he's making. And we can literally

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follow this guy all day. Through through all of our

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various surveillance systems, and it's straight out of enemy of

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the state, you know anyway, Okay, so a key thing.

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I'm going to try not to drown everyone with details,

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but I did want to give some representative company Israeli

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company names. And if you're going to know about these companies,

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you got to know where they spring from. And a

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lot of them spring from something called Unit eighty two hundred.

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Had you heard about this already, Pete.

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Speaker 1: I reference it quite often, yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, right, so not new to the Pizez audience.

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So Israeli army intelligence units like eighty two hundred teach

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soldiers how to spy on Palestinians through their phones, computers,

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and social media accounts, right, all this cyber stuff. Many

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later go on to set up companies developing similar soft

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for for more general application, and so they develop stuff,

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they have to get permission from the Israeli government to

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export what they develop. They have to get an export

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license or something like that. So the Israeli government might

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try to distance itself sometimes from these things, but it's

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hip deep. It's coming straight out of there. It's like

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all the people, Pete, who are like, well, I used

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to be in the CIA, but you know I'm over

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that now, right, And we're all like, yeah, sure you are.

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So we have all these people who used to be

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in Unit eighty two hundred. Now they work for a

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private company and Israel. They develop something and Israel gives

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them permission to sell it off to governments around the world. Right, So,

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who are the big purchasers of Israeli technology like this? States?

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Obviously around the world and private corporations. Private corporations will

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buy some of this to spy on their competitors and

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things like that. Okay. Having said that, I think this

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the hacking technology that Israeli Israel's putting out there. So

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unhappy in fact, And we have an update this year.

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On this October twenty nineteen, WhatsApp, owned by Facebook or

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Meta now right, initiated the first lawsuit of its kind

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in a California court against NSO, Israeli's largest surveillance company.

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two week period in early May twenty eighteen. I think

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examined by WhatsApp, NSO is reported to have targeted the

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mobile phones of more than fourteen hundred users in twenty countries.

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This is against our interest. We're going to suit you. Right, Well,

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here's the update I just checked on this date. Didn't

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realize this until I looked it up. Lawsuit just concluded

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in May this year and Meta want and NSO owes

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them one hundred and sixty seven million dollars in damages.

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So interesting story there. Let's see then NSO spyware which

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is known as Pegasus. That's another term to remember. Pegasus

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has been used against human rights activists, lawyers, religious leaders, journalists,

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aid workers, the stuff going in Gaza, right, The aid

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workers have absolutely been targeted, I've noticed. And then according

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to Reuter's, senior officials of US and allies have US

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allies have also been targeted by NSO. And so what

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does it do Pegasus after taking charge of the user's

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phone without their knowledge, Pegasus copies data, turns on the

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microphone for surveillance. That's the part that freaked me out.

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and just listens in see what you can hear.

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Speaker 1: Right, And we know it's there, and we know that

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it can be that it's always listening. Anyone who has

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Facebook knows that knows that it's always listening.

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Speaker 2: My wife said something like, I'm seeing ads about something

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that I said verbally but did not type into the phone.

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What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's happened to me. It's happened to me

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many times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so Forbes magazine described Pegas's as the world's

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most invasive mobile spy kit. Okay, now I'm pulling from

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the book that we'll get to, uh in more depth

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Speaker 1: But that's why. Let me let me just let me

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just let you know. I went off on my live

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stream like a month and a half two months ago

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about how you're on Twitter as in a noon and

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you think that nobody knows who you are? There is

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no anonymous anymore. Yeah, yeah, you're not you if you're

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screaming about a certain group all day or accusing everybody

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who disagrees with you of being that group, or saying

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you know that they know who you are, they know

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they have your information. It's your your only safety would

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be you're not public You're not safe from public power

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and force. You may be safe from private power and force,

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but that's it. And I'm not even sure about that

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anymore because a lot of these yeah, I don't know

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if you're going to talk about that. A lot of

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these companies work with like Antifah and Indivisible Falls. Yeah, yeah,

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funnels that information.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, no, pe I hear, I hear guys some

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of them friends of mine who are like, you don't

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understand my op sec is the best op seck in

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the world. And I'm like, sure, good luck, I hope

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it is. Yeah, right, Okay, So a little more on

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this ns O company that produces pegasos. This is from

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Snowden whistle Uh. Edward Snowden calls n s O and

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other companies like them the insecurity industry. He puts it bluntly,

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the phone in your hand exists in a state of

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perpetual insecurity, open to infection by any willing to put

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money in the hand of the new insecurity industry. The

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entirety of the industry's business involves cooking up new kinds

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of infections that will bypass the very latest digital vaccines,

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security updates, and then selling them to countries that occupy

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the red hot intersection of a Venn diagram between desperately

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craves tools of oppression and sorely lacks the sophistication to

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produce them domestically. An industry like this whose sole purpose

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is the production of vulnerability should be dismantled. Right. So

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you know, I'm obviously interested in this being used on

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us in the West, right in the US and Western

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countries and so forth. But I'll just mention for those

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interested as not in references, there a lot of sort

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of third world countries that are not very sophisticated in

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their governance, but they want to have this kind of tech.

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They just go to Israel and buy it, get it

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off the shelf from Israel. Right. They don't have to

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have the IQ or whatever to develop this stuff, they

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just get it from them.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's another something I will say about Snowden. Yeah,

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he is putting information out. If he is a limited hangout,

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think about that, he's giving you less than what is

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out there. Yeah, so ye take it if you think

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that Snowden is this op or something like that. He's

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putting stuff out there that has proved to be true.

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If he's not giving you everything, just imagine what you're not,

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what you don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not better off than Snowden pictures, whereas bad

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or probably worse than the picture Snowden gives us. Absolutely. Yeah, okay,

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So let me introduce another name, black Cube. Uh, this

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caught my attention. Another one of these Israeli security companies.

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Black Cube worked on behalf of disgraced Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein,

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collecting information on women who'd accuse him of sexual assault

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or rape. That that's quite interesting to me, Pete, because

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I don't know if you noticed, but some of our

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say very vital friends online started coming out in defensive

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Weinstein and saying, you know, he needs to be he

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needs to be brought back and everything.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, I mean, I don't. I've never seen the

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case file. I've never read the case. I assume he's

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guilty just because of the industry he's in and knowing

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the whole history of that industry and what it is,

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I assume he's guilty. I'm not. I'm not going to

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assume his innocence but yeah, knowing that he was using

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is I mean, this just sounds like Leo Frank to me. Yeah,

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where you know, a Jewish a Jewish guy gets accused

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of something and all of a sudden, now he has

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access to you know, in Leo frans case, millions, you know,

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thirty million in today's dollars for his defense. And then

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then yeah, and Harvey Weinstein has access to spy software

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from the Unity eighty two hundred, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, He's just lucky that way. You know, sometimes

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sometimes some people all it all comes up good for them,

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you know, it just he has really good friends exactly.

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One of Black Cube's founders, Dan Zarella, a veteran of

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the Israeli military's secret Special Operations Unit. Staff for the

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company are typically recruited from Masad, the army or the

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shin Bet, Israel's domestic intelligence agency that spies on Palestinians.

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The late Meyer de Gan, a former Massad had, was

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at one point the company's president. So as we see

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in the US PEDE, and this is not that different, right,

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We'll see the rotating door between like an intelligence agency

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and a company that is either a out or very

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very closely aligned, like Pallanteer or.

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Speaker 1: Something like that.

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Speaker 2: Right with these with these folks. So same deal in Israel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, meyer's a gun. Another guy who was born in Israel. Oh,

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no way, he was born in Ukraine. Imagine that.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Okay, one more. Anivo, an Israeli data

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collection company established by two veterans of Unit eighty two hundred,

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was acquired by Facebook in twenty thirteen. Interesting, here's Facebook

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on the other side of the table. Here. Apple banned

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the Anovo VPN in twenty eighteen over revelations that was

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providing unlimited access to users data. I have wondered about

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the VPN stuff, Peepe. I'm like, I've got to really

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know the people who are selling this VPN stuff before

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I installed on my stuff my devices, because they get

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everything right, they can track it all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be able to find out exactly

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who who's in charge of that stuff, who owns these things?

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I mean, you know, I think it's It doesn't escape

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me that there's a gun company historically German gun company,

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who now has headquarters here and manufactures guns here, and

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all of a sudden the guns start going off for

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no reason and killing their users. When I heard about

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that they get a new CEO whose last name is Cohne.

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iq where I just I notice all these patterns.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, Okay, and then I again, I'm I'm ill. I'll

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be honest. I'm sharing this one a little bit for

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the disgust factor, but it is relevant. Another leading Israeli

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firm is called Candiru c A N d I r U,

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named for a small Amazonian fish that is reputed to

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secretly invade the human body where it becomes a parasite.

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So they name their company after this glorious little creature.

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Kandiu sells its hacking tools mostly to Western governments, although

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it is its operations are shrouded in secrecy. According to Rats,

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its staff is drawn almost exclusively from Unit eighty two hundred.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and just just a reminder, I mean, I don't

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have to tell this to people who are in the

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computer industry, hardware or software. The people who come up

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with these things have backdoors into them. Yeah right, So oh,

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that's just going to the French. That's just going to

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the French government. The French government's getting all that information now.

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Speaker 2: Right right, yeah, Okay, So That's what I wanted to

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draw from the article. There's more to it if you

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if you look that article up by Jonathan Cook. But

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now I want to turn to a book called The

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Palestine Laboratory. I don't need to explain the title at

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this point you know exactly what he's talking about. And

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it's by Anthony Lowenstein. Guessing he's Jewish. I didn't check, but.

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Speaker 1: That sounds really irish to me.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but good for him for calling this

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stuff out. So now this book was published after October seventh,

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so I actually thought i'd start keep a topical. Now

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start with him writing a little bit about October seventh

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and this perspective of sort of what Israel gets out

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of these things. And by the way, I didn't really

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find it for Israel in particular, but I was reading

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reading around this area, and someone was pointing out that

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the United States defense industry also sells its tech to

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other countries. And the naive view would be, oh, well,

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when the US is really like winning in its foreign

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conflicts or whatever, then it's really selling stuff. And what

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the author explained is it doesn't matter the US can

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leave Afghanistan and humiliation. It's still selling stuff, win or lose.

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As long as there's conflict, as long as there's battle testing,

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then you were able to sell what you're developing through this.

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Even if from a certain point of view you lost,

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somebody's still getting rich off the conflict, right, Okay, So

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he says, I'm going to jump right in. Talking about

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October seventh, Lowenstein says it was a failure of catastrophic proportions,

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reminiscent of the US missing the key signs before their

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tear attacks on September eleventh. None of this has stopped

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Israel live testing new weapons during its Scorched Earth campaign

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in Gaza. After October seventh, these tools of war were

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proudly displayed on social media for both the domestic and

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international audience as well as potential global buyers. Israel used

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artificial intelligence enabled weapons, striking non military targets with unprecedented ferocity.

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It's a mass assassination factory. One Israeli intelligence officer said,

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this is how the Palestine laboratory works. It's for this

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reason that I expect the Israeli weapons industry to thrive

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after October seventh. Israel's leading defense company, el Bit, the

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lb I t already wrote that it was experiencing a

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considerable increased demand global arms fairs in Singapore, and Sarah

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and Paris saw large Israeli presence promoting weapons, killer drones

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and surveillance tech that had been battle tested in Gaza.

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I'm picturing, you know, like a scene on TV or

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something battle tested in Gaza, you know, with like a

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little logo they've.

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Speaker 1: Made or something, oh like you know, the like really

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over the top kind of add five minute ad presentation

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with with female the only the most good looking female

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IDF soldiers in bikinis, and it's I mean, this is

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what comes to mind. I mean, I grew up, Yeah,

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I grew up in the Cold War. We saw stuff

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like this in movie all the time. I mean, and

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that this isn't a movie, this is real life.

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Speaker 2: Right by the way, continue showing my series. The last

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entry entry on it was Thursday, and I talked about

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how they used gal Gado for They were like, hey,

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Israel's not Israel's reputation is falling. Everybody associates us with

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war and conflict. We need to show that we're young,

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we're hip, we're sexy, we're high tech. And so they

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literally used miss Israel two thousand and four, gal Gado,

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who we all know of now, and various male Israeli

471
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,799
soldiers in not very many clothes to appeal to a

472
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:42,559
different kind of audience, shall we say, Yeah, so shameless.

473
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,359
I covered some of the propaganda on Thursday, And what

474
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,519
was really fun about that stream is that somebody jumped

475
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:53,920
in there and started using the propaganda techniques against me

476
00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:56,960
as I was doing the stream, and I'm literally saying,

477
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,799
as I'm explaining a propaganda technique, I'm like, hey, you

478
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:01,920
to turn your page to the next manual. You know,

479
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,880
we just we just explained that one. I don't think

480
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,640
it's gonna work, so try something else, you know.

481
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,759
Speaker 1: It was it was awesome. You what was his name, Bob?

482
00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:10,680
You had fun with Bob?

483
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: Bob. Yeah. I did not pay him. I did not

484
00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:18,640
ask for this. It was just sometimes you get lucky anyway. Okay.

485
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,599
It's guaranteed that the tools of death so are ruthlessly

486
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,039
used in guys that will soon appear in other conflict zones. Okay,

487
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:29,640
now this blew my mind, Pete, as people probably know

488
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:33,680
they are these, I have three organizations in my head.

489
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,559
Maybe you know about more, Pete. But in the UK,

490
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,960
we have hope not hate. In the US, we have

491
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:42,920
Anti Defamation League ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center SPLC right,

492
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:46,599
and as far as I can tell, they're all very similar.

493
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:50,160
They operate in similar ways, they have similar targets, and

494
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,240
similar people staff and support these organizations. Shall we say,

495
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,559
but this I didn't know. In two thousand and four,

496
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,200
the US based pro Israel Anti Defamation League, a self

497
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:07,000
described civil rights organization, began sending US police delegations to Israel.

498
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,400
It hoped to give these officers invaluable insights in the

499
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,960
wake of September eleventh attacks into how Israel tackled counter

500
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:20,000
terrannism terrorism. More than one thousand police have since visited

501
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:22,880
Israel with the ADL program and other pro Israel groups.

502
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,960
They learn what Israel has to tell them about suicide bombers,

503
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:32,559
intelligence gathering, and terrorism. The Israelification is Raelification, remember that term,

504
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:37,720
The Israelification of US security services accelerated immediately after nine

505
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,480
to eleven. Israel is the Harvard of anti terrorism, As

506
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:45,759
US Capitol Police Chief Terrence W. Gainer pointed out in

507
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:50,079
two thousand and five, So I knew ADL was like

508
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,079
trying to you know, putting us on hate maps and

509
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:55,079
sort of all the things. You know, I didn't know

510
00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:57,000
that they were like training our police.

511
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:03,559
Speaker 1: What Scott Horton has talked about this for a while. Yes, Okay,

512
00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:06,720
they send Yeah, they send them. They're the allegedly the

513
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,680
ne on the neck George Floyd thing. Apparently that's Israeli.

514
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,079
That's an Israeli tactic.

515
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, sorry, I'm repeating one company. But there was

516
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,559
a little more on NSO I wanted to pull from

517
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:24,400
the book here. The trajectory of NSO is symptomatic of

518
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,400
an Israeli tradition and testing, marketing and proliferating surveillance technologies

519
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,680
across the globe. The reasons behind this were explained by

520
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,279
the former head of Israel's Defense Export Control Agency, Eli Pinko,

521
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,279
who told a private conference in late twenty twenty one

522
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,960
that the Jewish state had no choice but to sell

523
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,839
weapons and cybertech to anyone who asks. It's either the

524
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,079
civil rights in some country or Israel's right to exist.

525
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:51,400
He said, I would like to see each of you

526
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,440
face this STI lemon and say no, we will champion

527
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:57,279
human rights in the other country. Gentlemen. It doesn't work.

528
00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:01,359
And I just want to make an editorial here. He

529
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,599
used the magic phrase that I've been noticing Israel's right

530
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,960
to exist as far as I can tell, For some people,

531
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:16,440
Israel's right to exist justifies anything everything. There's no limit

532
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,200
to what you can do under the rubric of Israel's

533
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,359
right to exist. Have you noticed this?

534
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate straw man. No, you know, there aren't

535
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,039
aren't people really making that argument. Most of the people

536
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:31,200
who are making the argument that Israel doesn't have a

537
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:36,279
right to exist are like far right spurgs, who you know,

538
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,680
have no power to do that, have no power to

539
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,839
hurt Israel. But most people are just like No, Israel

540
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:47,359
should just be like every other country. And maybe maybe

541
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,440
somebody should ask the question of well, what brought this on?

542
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:58,440
What other country in the world? You know? Is is

543
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,160
there a population next or that is constantly trying to

544
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,440
destroy it? But the reason they're trying to destroy it

545
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:12,519
is because they're basically hostages. Yeah, I mean, I know,

546
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:14,640
hostages can sound like a straw man. Oh, they can

547
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,759
leave if they want to. It takes money to leave

548
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:18,480
most of these people, and most of these people don't

549
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,960
have enough calories in order to.

550
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,119
Speaker 2: Travel This is millions of people. By the way, everybody

551
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:25,039
seems to talk about it, like, oh, it's no you know,

552
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,200
send a boat over, put them on the boat. It's

553
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,079
gonna be a lot of boats, buddy.

554
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: And where do they go?

555
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:31,519
Speaker 2: Yeah?

556
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: Who wants them?

557
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? Nobody want they destabilize Lebanon. As I got to

558
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,440
be with Hunger the di merchant recently in person, and

559
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,400
he was talking about how they destabilized Lebanon when Palestinians

560
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,599
came there. Right, Egypt is teetering on the brink, as

561
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,079
I understand it. Egypt's not in a very stable political situation.

562
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,680
They do not want a million or two Polyestinians to

563
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:00,319
add fuel to the fire over there, and we.

564
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:04,519
Speaker 1: Don't want them here, and European count your most Europeans

565
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,799
don't want them. And you know, the thing is is

566
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:12,360
that the whole thing about Hunger talking about them destabilizing

567
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,239
Lebanon and everything, it's not the only country they've ever

568
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,599
done that in. That doesn't mean that I'm going to

569
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:26,280
take Israel's side. Palestinians didn't like bring the porn industry here,

570
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,039
and they don't have like any over representation and government

571
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:34,239
here and an overrepresentation in banking here, and an overrepresentation

572
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,480
in academia here, and an overrepresentation in pretty much every culture.

573
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:42,639
They don't, they don't, But Palestinians don't have videos out

574
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,480
there bragging about how they were responsible for Martin Luther

575
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:49,880
King Junior and Harvey Milk a disgusting per you know,

576
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,239
and you know and and yeah, I mean sorry, I

577
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,679
know who my I know who my enemy is. I

578
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,920
may not want I may not want to be you know,

579
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,760
bring a whole bunch of Palestinians here, especially ones that

580
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,639
are basically PTSD from birth, But I know who. But

581
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,480
I know who my enemy is. I know who my

582
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:09,320
real enemy is.

583
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 2: And you know, when we talk about Palestinians destabilizing Lebanon

584
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,679
or whatever, as Hunger said, that didn't just happen randomly.

585
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,280
It's because they got displaced from where they'd been living

586
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,480
for two thousand years, right, And so you know, one

587
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,960
thing led to another anyway, Okay, I'm going to hit

588
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,400
you with two more companies and then I'm done. I

589
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,320
didn't want to just overwhelm everybody with detail. I wanted

590
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,119
to give you the main story, right, this battle tested

591
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:39,000
in Kaza story. Okay, so founded in the nineteen nineties

592
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:44,639
Celebright Cell. Celebright started out as a consumer technology firm,

593
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:47,519
but by the twenty tens was deep into the surveillance

594
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:50,920
business and mobile phone hacking because it's all the potential

595
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,239
of huge profits from working with law enforcement officials around

596
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,719
the world. Over twy eight hundred US government customers, including

597
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,360
law enforcement agency including the Department of Veterans Affairs the

598
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,960
Department of Agriculture have purchased the company's equipment, and the

599
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,000
firm is hired prosecutors, police officers, and Secret Service service

600
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:13,840
agents to train people to use it. I told you

601
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,679
all this to tell you this about Celebrate. Encrypted smartphones

602
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:24,119
are routinely and successfully broken into with Celebrate tech. Upturn

603
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:27,320
found that it had been done hundreds of thousands of

604
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,000
times between twenty fifteen and twenty twenty. Right, so you've

605
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,119
got you know, I'm a big Apple user. They have

606
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:38,440
a huge emphasis on privacy, you know, like AI on

607
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,960
an Apple phone doesn't phone home, it does it all

608
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:47,599
on your phone, for example. But one suspects that Celebrates

609
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:50,400
figured out ways to get into my iPhone. Nonetheless, right,

610
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,360
I'm going to assume that.

611
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: And once again, you think you're anonymous and you're not.

612
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,159
You think, oh, I'm using this throwaway email and I'm

613
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,679
using a a Google phone number that you know, I mean,

614
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,760
they can get into your phone. It's likely. What do

615
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:08,760
you think you're doing here?

616
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 2: Right? Okay? And then finally SI Group and it's heyday.

617
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,159
Side Group was busy deploying a range of software and

618
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:20,039
people working as quasi spies in the US with social

619
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:23,239
media and dark web searches and on the ground surveillance

620
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,639
to monitor Jewish and Palestinian supporters of the boycott, divestment

621
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,239
and sanctions movement, the BDS movement around twenty seventeen. And

622
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,119
it has been a theme, by the way, I talked

623
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,960
about it on Thursday. With the propaganda the BDS movement

624
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:40,199
has I didn't really I didn't think much of it.

625
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:42,360
I didn't think of it as very effective or whatever.

626
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:45,079
But Israel's worried about it. I can tell you that

627
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:48,519
based on the propaganda and as we see here the

628
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:52,159
technology deployed against the BDS folks. And then of course

629
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:55,760
we saw with the campus protests after October seventh against

630
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,760
what Israel was doing in Kaza. Israel did not go, oh,

631
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,559
it's just students, don't worry about it. They came down

632
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,320
very hard, had you know, Jewish billionaires pulling funding from

633
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,400
the universities, telling Columbia you better get this under control.

634
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,519
And as far as I can tell, the college is obeyed.

635
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:16,920
I mean, maybe you know the story better, Pete, but.

636
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:23,039
Speaker 1: Oh no, But you know the BBS movement. I'm not

637
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:29,280
really aware of how how much that hurts Israel, but.

638
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: They're afraid of it for some reason.

639
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: But ten but ten years ago, I had seen an

640
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,639
article about how in Texas you can't get a state

641
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,760
contract or become like a state employee unless you you

642
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,920
have to sign something. This was ten years ago where

643
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,760
you have to basically deny or what do they call

644
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,559
when you deny or I am when you say, oh,

645
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,920
I have nothing to do with this. I think they're evil.

646
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,039
What the hell's what's the term anology? What's the word

647
00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:04,400
about it for? You know, you know what I'm talking about?

648
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: Something like that?

649
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, denounce, Yeah, you have to denounce the

650
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,440
BDS movement. This is ten years ago in Texas. And

651
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,679
then you had what last year, some little town found

652
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,320
out that like four million dollars of their tax money.

653
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,760
It may be less than that, don't quote me on that,

654
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,599
but over a million dollars of their tax money every

655
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:26,119
year was going to Israel, and the town started looking

656
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:29,239
into it and was like, you know this, this money

657
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,760
would be better off at home. And Greg Abbott came

658
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,480
out and said, you know, this is a town of

659
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:40,719
anti Summites. Yeah. I talk about this all the time.

660
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,000
In the eighties. If you use the term Zog, they

661
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:48,880
would break your door down. I mean they would like

662
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,760
literally send the FBI to your house.

663
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:51,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

664
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Speaker 1: Now it's like it's so obvious that like people are

665
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,719
using people are using that term openly in public, and

666
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,559
like no one's doing it anything because too many. Yeah,

667
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,079
it's it's proliferic.

668
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:07,159
Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned I'm glad you mentioned zog peak

669
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,119
because I wanted to humbly I'm not sure I've seen

670
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:11,360
this anywhere else, but based on what we're learning today,

671
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:14,360
I want to humbly submit that we might consider zmech.

672
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,000
It's not as fun to say as zog, but the

673
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:22,119
Zionist military industrial complex. It's one way we could refer

674
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:23,039
to this mass here.

675
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: Right, it's bad enough dealing with our own in this country,

676
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,360
also with the caveat that so much of that is

677
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:37,920
controlled by yeah, is by Jewish money, right right, But

678
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:40,119
yet then we have to deal with the with the

679
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:43,480
other one, and the other one is yeah yeah, And

680
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:47,760
then you have another country that is basically using all

681
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,199
of their tech, selling it to other countries, making money

682
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:54,280
off of it, but still being able to profit off

683
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,119
of it by it with information. I mean, it's yeah, yeah.

684
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Speaker 2: It's quite the scam. Yeah, okay, So I'll just share

685
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,679
the last on the Side Group here. Yakov Amadrur, the

686
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,440
former national security advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin Nyah, who

687
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,039
told The New Yorker that he worked with the company

688
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:16,000
because the Israeli government was there, not there watching Palestinian activists,

689
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:18,000
and I thought that if private people are ready to

690
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,440
do it, it can be helped. His advice to Side

691
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,679
Group staff was don't beat them, don't go into their houses.

692
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:27,719
The mission was to expose BDS supporters. Side Group staff

693
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,000
were told the operation was legal and to particularly focus

694
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:35,199
on BDS leaders at American universities. The company collaborated with

695
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,880
the new conservative and pro war Washington think tank Foundation

696
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:42,159
for Defensive Democracies. Just in case you haven't heard of

697
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,480
FDD before, that name keeps popping up in my research,

698
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:49,880
So anyway I could go on and on. I didn't

699
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,639
want to lose people just through sheer detail. I wanted

700
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:55,679
to give you a flavor of it. I think, if

701
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:58,079
you want something short, look for the Jonathan Cook article.

702
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,280
If you want to deeper dive the Palestine Laboratory by

703
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,519
Anthony Lowenstein. But you get the picture. They develop it

704
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,559
on the Palestinians as guinea pigs, they sell it to

705
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:14,000
our governments. The governments use it on us. That's the story.

706
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, if you're not completely if you haven't

707
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,679
been complete, not completely, but if your brain isn't zogged

708
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:32,079
to the point where you can't feel bad for the Palestinians. Yeah,

709
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,440
and you do feel bad. I mean, this is so

710
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:37,519
much worse when you know. It's like if you thought

711
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,880
that they had a genuine hatred for these people and

712
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,519
they just wanted to punish them. You could almost look

713
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:49,280
at history and be like, Okay, one people has done

714
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,000
that to another people over and over again. We're just

715
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:54,159
seeing it live on TV, We're seeing it live on

716
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:57,440
the internet, live on X whatever. When you realize it's

717
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:03,679
just like a testing ground for or tech, it's like, yeah,

718
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:05,000
I mean.

719
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Speaker 2: It's very dark. I mean it is I'm thinking of

720
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:15,440
like seventies movies with the paranoia in some of those movies,

721
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,920
you know, where he's digging, he's digging, and then finally

722
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,199
he finds the secret meeting where they're planning at all.

723
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,559
You know, it's that kind of thing. It's like you're paranoid.

724
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:29,480
Seventies nightmare is just a line of business for Israel,

725
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:31,559
a very important line of business for Israel.

726
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, but you also let's not Yeah, here's

727
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,039
what I like to say. Okay, it's easy to blame

728
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,559
everything on the Jews. Let's blame everything on them because

729
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:50,760
you know, there are Jews in very key positions, right,

730
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:53,239
but they don't make this money unless people buy this

731
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:58,119
stuff from them. Absolutely, it's always they can't do what

732
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:03,440
they do alone. Yeah, you know they kicked out of

733
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,519
one hundred and nine countries. Well guess what they were in.

734
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,280
They were invited into almost every single one of those

735
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,960
countries by somebody who was thinking to benefit They were

736
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going to benefit from having them there.

737
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Speaker 2: Right, let's not forget the people, well, et cetera.

738
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Speaker 1: Right, let's let's not forget the Let's not forget this

739
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because you know, it's very easy. But if they go away,

740
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:30,800
if that goes away, these people are going to look

741
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,199
for somebody else to do it. They may even set

742
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:37,280
it up if they go away. That's a vacuum that's

743
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,760
been that's been created that they that somebody will step

744
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,239
in and fill and it'll just be another group. And

745
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,599
it's just I mean, this is this is a lot

746
00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:51,639
bigger when you really think about this, This is a

747
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:56,039
whole lot bigger than just this one group of people who, yeah,

748
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,599
you know they.

749
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Speaker 2: Well to have the emphasis you're saying is that, you know,

750
00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:06,079
because of the history you've been delving into on your channel,

751
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:13,159
we might not want to put our chips on you know,

752
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,480
a big change in behavior on the part of Israel

753
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:22,360
and Israelis and so forth. Right that there's a certain consistency.

754
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,199
I think you've been pointing this out. There's a certain

755
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:30,320
consistency over centuries. Right, So, uh, this is the you know,

756
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,519
definition of insanity. Right, Well, we'll just change them, we'll

757
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:36,679
fix them. Okay, Well, there's another way to come at it,

758
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,280
And I think that's what you're pointing to. That is

759
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,360
probably a healthier, more sane thing to do. How about

760
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,679
we fix ourselves because they're just going to be how

761
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:47,159
they are. But we don't have to be the other

762
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:51,639
side of these these wicked transactions with you know, stuff

763
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:56,719
they've developed on in Gaza, on human victims. Right, we

764
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,000
could tell our governments we don't want you to buy

765
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,400
that stuff and use it on us.

766
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:07,199
Speaker 1: Don't do that, right, They can't occupy us without collaborators.

767
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, And we're probably better off focusing on

768
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,599
the collaborators that are like our own people, right than

769
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:18,320
thinking that we're going to like turn them around and

770
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,719
have them suddenly act differently than they have for two

771
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:21,280
thousand years.

772
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: You're not going to change You're not going to change them.

773
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:28,079
Especially if you think that this is metaphysical, you're not

774
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:30,719
going to change you know, if you think this is

775
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,719
a spiritual war, you're not going to change them. The

776
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,639
only way you're going to change them is through conversion.

777
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,039
Speaker 2: I'm saying we can pray for that, but yeah, you

778
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:42,239
don't want to make your plans for tomorrow.

779
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: Based on that, right, correct?

780
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think you said that said this people.

781
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,760
One of the things I did want to bring home

782
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,280
is something that's bothered me online because I post a

783
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,639
lot of stuff about Israel and Gaza and so forth.

784
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,119
And one of the responses that has gotten under my

785
00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:59,800
skin a little is when people say, hey, look man,

786
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,159
it's just two sand people fighting over there. What's this

787
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,920
got to do with me? Well, I would say the

788
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,079
show today is one way to answer that question. Here,

789
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:10,960
it's got a lot to do with you. In fact,

790
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,639
turns out it's affecting your life. It's affecting how you

791
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:18,119
are being treated in your society in the West.

792
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Speaker 1: Right, You you want to live a life, you you

793
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:27,159
have an expectation of privacy in your own home. Yeah,

794
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,639
And this is a this is a country who is

795
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,719
developing tech. These are people who are developing technology to

796
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,480
make sure that doesn't happen.

797
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

798
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: And American our companies or American companies or companies that

799
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:50,280
I mean, who knows if they're American anymore? Can a

800
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,400
corporation really be considered to be American when you're public

801
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:57,119
that's you know, when you're on the stock exchange or

802
00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:03,559
yeah at or use bonds and go stormy And I

803
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:06,960
need to do a long, deep dive into that. But yeah,

804
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:13,360
the this is a whole we really need to start looking.

805
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,760
I mean, if we're not going to change them. Then

806
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,840
we have to concentrate on changing what we have here.

807
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:25,039
And if we can't change what we have here, okay,

808
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:26,679
what we do.

809
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:34,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's what I got, Thanks Pete. Yeah, no,

810
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:36,800
please channel I use. My name is Stephen Carson. I'm

811
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not in a on. I put my name on my

812
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,880
channel name on there just as marketing. My channel name's

813
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,519
Radical Liberation. I have been doing a series on the

814
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,320
US's real relationship. There's a little bit more to it

815
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,320
than I've even mentioned. Oh I know, here's another one

816
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,800
to mention target Russia. I talked about how a one

817
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:58,119
hundred years ago Jacob Schiff, an important banker in the

818
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:03,639
early late nineteen thirty twenty century, worked with other bankers

819
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:07,519
to get Japan money so that it could keep going

820
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:11,280
in a war against Russia because all the way back

821
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,719
then they were targeting Russia. So I thought that was

822
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,119
really interesting. There's more about that.

823
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,199
Speaker 1: There's more to it than that too, because on you know,

824
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,119
our two hundred Years Together series, while Russia is bogged

825
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:27,760
down in this war against Japan and they're being funded

826
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,960
by the West and being funded by Jewish, by Jewish

827
00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:36,840
millionaires all over the world. Ye, Jewish revolutionaries are rising

828
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,760
up in Russia to overthrow the czar.

829
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

830
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the one of the reasons why people

831
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:48,039
will look and say Russia lost the Russo Japanese War, Well,

832
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:50,320
they had to pull their troops back home because they

833
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,119
had a freaking revolution had just had just started. So

834
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:01,480
and the revolution was led by overwhelmingly yeah Jewish thought

835
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:04,320
leaders and so yeah.

836
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 2: So anyway, it's I I've been I've been saying on Twitter, Pete,

837
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,320
this rabbit hole doesn't seem to have any bottom, but

838
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,159
I think you know that more than me.

839
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: So yeah. Well, well, former former president, I uh, I

840
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,079
appreciate you coming on today.

841
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you very much.

842
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,519
Speaker 1: Thanks Radle. Take care,