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<v Speaker 2>back to Montana, King Gramont fifty five krz DE talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven forty three, fifty five Kersey Talk Station. T'm's happy

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<v Speaker 1>to welcome back to the fifty five Carsse Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 1>We aren't talking about railroads today, Al Knippert, who was

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<v Speaker 1>our expert on railroads, we were talking about the sale

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<v Speaker 1>of the railroad, which Al didn't like and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like and Christopher Smithman didn't like, but it got sold anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Al Nippert, welcome back to the fifty five Carsy Morning

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<v Speaker 1>Show to talk about I guess it's connected communities Hyde

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<v Speaker 1>Park residents voicing concerns because they're planning on tearing down

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<v Speaker 1>and rebuilding a large portion of Erie Avenue for the

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<v Speaker 1>purpose of building a hotel, apartments, commercial space and an

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<v Speaker 1>underground parking garage. Al, it's great having you back on

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<v Speaker 1>the program.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you, Brian. It's a real pleasure to be

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<v Speaker 3>here and it's a great opportunity to try and enlighten

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<v Speaker 3>some people on this end run that's trying to be

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<v Speaker 3>made around the old Marlwood case, which as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>turned out with the landowners having been finally proved right

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<v Speaker 3>by the Ohio Supreme Court. Instead of following the New

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<v Speaker 3>England Northeastern revisionist view of a person's right to property

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<v Speaker 3>Kio versus New London, which said oh, somebody else wants

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<v Speaker 3>to use the same property, Well, we can take yours

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<v Speaker 3>and give it to them. And that was the wrong

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<v Speaker 3>purpose of eminent domain. Now this isn't eminent domain, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's re zoning, which has the same impact. It's a taking,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's going to create concrete canyons the very pictures

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<v Speaker 3>that they use and that the zoning commission is using

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<v Speaker 3>to try and push this a planned unit development, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the end run around the zoning. It's theayre Limiting

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<v Speaker 3>heights is a taking. It's a taking of line of sight,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a taking of sunshine. And in those pictures you

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<v Speaker 3>can see the shadows and if you put up another ten, fifteen,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty feet on top of that, those shadows are extended,

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<v Speaker 3>even in the daylight where they're trying to show no impact.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course, the one thing they haven't done has

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<v Speaker 3>made any changes, even though they've been meeting with the

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<v Speaker 3>high park community groups and the zoning boards. Well, please

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<v Speaker 3>talk to them. Well they talk to them, but if

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<v Speaker 3>they do nothing, it's like talking to a teenager. If

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<v Speaker 3>the teenager doesn't change their attitudes, well nothing happens. The

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<v Speaker 3>greats don't go up. The interaction with the family doesn't change.

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<v Speaker 3>You can talk to them to your blue in the

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<v Speaker 3>face until you get them to change. Now, that's really

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<v Speaker 3>what they've done. They've played ropodope with a Hyde Park

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<v Speaker 3>Community Council and they still haven't addressed one of the

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<v Speaker 3>key issues, which is traffic. That's a very narrow, narrow

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<v Speaker 3>straight and what are you going to do to widen it?

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to take out the park in the middle

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<v Speaker 3>of the square. What do you do here? It's amazing

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<v Speaker 3>you take their own words from well, the clique camp

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<v Speaker 3>and louring families have been embedded for years in politics

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<v Speaker 3>and Cincinnati, and I think it might be helpful to

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<v Speaker 3>take a look at the history a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>zoning and the purposes. Going back into the Middle Ages,

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<v Speaker 3>tanneries weren't allowed in towns. Why because they stank, because

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<v Speaker 3>of what they use to cure the hides. More recently,

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<v Speaker 3>beginning in Charleston where they built a Francis Marion hotel

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<v Speaker 3>in the twenties, people realized, oh my god, we're known

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<v Speaker 3>as the city as spires, and if we allow this,

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<v Speaker 3>it's toiler than the spires of our churches. We have

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<v Speaker 3>to do something to protect it. Every time that there's

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<v Speaker 3>been a movement to protect something, there's been a casualty.

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<v Speaker 3>And in South Carolina, in Charleston, it was realizing they

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<v Speaker 3>were about to lose their entire city scape. So they

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<v Speaker 3>limited the height of buildings. And they've got a great

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<v Speaker 3>ordinance for that purpose, and they've got a design review

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<v Speaker 3>board and really great analysis of the height of of

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<v Speaker 3>stories and what can be counted as a story and

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<v Speaker 3>and how you deal with that, and adding these just

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<v Speaker 3>few more feet higher than well, they're using the wrong

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<v Speaker 3>structures to compare. Number one, they're not the ones on

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<v Speaker 3>the square. And number two, that just a few more

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<v Speaker 3>feet higher than would be another story or level in Charleston.

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<v Speaker 3>And every time you have a story and you start

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<v Speaker 3>going higher, you increase the underlying cost for the city

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<v Speaker 3>to have the adequate fire apparatus. You'll notice that when

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<v Speaker 3>you go out well on the interstate, all of those

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<v Speaker 3>hotels are generally four stories high. You go higher than that,

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<v Speaker 3>you need to have more fire apparatus or you lose

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<v Speaker 3>your fire reading for that area. And that's an additional

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<v Speaker 3>expense for the city. And the city's already crying forth.

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<v Speaker 3>They claim they'd have guardrails around the money for the railroad.

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<v Speaker 3>Back to that for a moment, and it didn't take

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<v Speaker 3>them a month to try and find ways to pick

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<v Speaker 3>that piggybank lock.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and this all springs from that connected community saying

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<v Speaker 1>the city council pass right, Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted to have a connected community, and then all

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<v Speaker 3>of a sudden, now they want to go around what

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<v Speaker 3>they just passed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I guess I want to try to understand

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship between connected communities and this proposal, which is

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<v Speaker 1>again to put some higher density housing in Hyde Park,

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<v Speaker 1>apartments most notably as well as a hotel. I understand

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<v Speaker 1>that the project's proposed height is eighty five and a

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<v Speaker 1>half feet, which is going to require zoning change with

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<v Speaker 1>the City of Sinceinna, which imagine will be easily acquired

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<v Speaker 1>since the city's in charge of this. But don't the

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<v Speaker 1>residents of Hyde Park have any say over this anymore?

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<v Speaker 3>How Well, it shouldn't just be the residence of Hyde Park,

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<v Speaker 3>it should be the residence of all the communities. True. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but you can do it to Hyde Park. They'll do

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<v Speaker 3>it to Mount Lookout Square, So do it to Oakley Square.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll do it to Sailor Park. I mean a man,

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<v Speaker 3>if they went out to the minority communities and started

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<v Speaker 3>Addison and they started buying up large blocks, put one

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<v Speaker 3>layer of shops on the first, then put two three

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<v Speaker 3>layers of parking, and then another three to five layers

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<v Speaker 3>of housing on top, that would totally destroy Sailor Park.

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<v Speaker 3>To totally destroy Addison, I mean Cincinnati has the largest

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<v Speaker 3>aggregation of Italian eight structures in the country outside of

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<v Speaker 3>New York. That's why Lost New Yorkers was filmed here. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>if you start buying up blocks of property, because Kelly,

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<v Speaker 3>it is to be so much better if we did

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<v Speaker 3>something different. And you look at what is in the lowering,

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<v Speaker 3>what is that the North Point group, And you see

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<v Speaker 3>they've got the Italianate structures on Vine Street. But then

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<v Speaker 3>look what they built it. They'reld he can cansite across

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<v Speaker 3>from the Broadway Colts. They're in the old time Star building.

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<v Speaker 3>But you just follow every time we've had a major

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<v Speaker 3>loss of a structure that was historically significant. The real

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<v Speaker 3>push for all of this began with the destruction of

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<v Speaker 3>Penn Station in New York to build a new Madison

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<v Speaker 3>Square gardens. It was built a design on the colla

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<v Speaker 3>Roman baths. Well, they tore that down, and I remember

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<v Speaker 3>going by the meadowlands and seeing the beautiful limestone columns

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<v Speaker 3>sinking into the mark. Well that started the whole idea

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<v Speaker 3>of historic preservation, and that push for a historic preservation

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<v Speaker 3>in New York led to Jackie O NASA saving Grand

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, in the interest of time, because we're running

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<v Speaker 1>out of time, Al Nippert, is this going to end

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<v Speaker 1>up in courts?

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<v Speaker 3>It absolutely should, because maybe because the Keio, New England,

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<v Speaker 3>Land case was about a taking, and it was followed

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<v Speaker 3>up by the Norwood case here in Cincinnati, which which

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<v Speaker 3>took a different view because of Ohio constitutions. Stare, take

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<v Speaker 3>the property just to benefit somebody else because you like

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<v Speaker 3>some better time.

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<v Speaker 1>The lawyer up in Hyde Park is where I think

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<v Speaker 1>we have led this discussion. Al Nipper. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>your insight and thoughtful comments on this matter. Keep your

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<v Speaker 1>popcorn out. It ain't over. The Nimby lawsuits probably just beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll look forward to having you back on real soon.

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