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Speaker 1: to welcome back to the fifty five Carsse Morning Show.
Speaker 1: We aren't talking about railroads today, Al Knippert, who was
Speaker 1: our expert on railroads, we were talking about the sale
Speaker 1: of the railroad, which Al didn't like and I didn't
Speaker 1: like and Christopher Smithman didn't like, but it got sold anyway.
Speaker 1: Al Nippert, welcome back to the fifty five Carsy Morning
Speaker 1: Show to talk about I guess it's connected communities Hyde
Speaker 1: Park residents voicing concerns because they're planning on tearing down
Speaker 1: and rebuilding a large portion of Erie Avenue for the
Speaker 1: purpose of building a hotel, apartments, commercial space and an
Speaker 1: underground parking garage. Al, it's great having you back on
Speaker 1: the program.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Brian. It's a real pleasure to be
Speaker 3: here and it's a great opportunity to try and enlighten
Speaker 3: some people on this end run that's trying to be
Speaker 3: made around the old Marlwood case, which as you know,
Speaker 3: turned out with the landowners having been finally proved right
Speaker 3: by the Ohio Supreme Court. Instead of following the New
Speaker 3: England Northeastern revisionist view of a person's right to property
Speaker 3: Kio versus New London, which said oh, somebody else wants
Speaker 3: to use the same property, Well, we can take yours
Speaker 3: and give it to them. And that was the wrong
Speaker 3: purpose of eminent domain. Now this isn't eminent domain, but
Speaker 3: it's re zoning, which has the same impact. It's a taking,
Speaker 3: and it's going to create concrete canyons the very pictures
Speaker 3: that they use and that the zoning commission is using
Speaker 3: to try and push this a planned unit development, which
Speaker 3: is the end run around the zoning. It's theayre Limiting
Speaker 3: heights is a taking. It's a taking of line of sight,
Speaker 3: it's a taking of sunshine. And in those pictures you
Speaker 3: can see the shadows and if you put up another ten, fifteen,
Speaker 3: twenty feet on top of that, those shadows are extended,
Speaker 3: even in the daylight where they're trying to show no impact.
Speaker 3: And of course, the one thing they haven't done has
Speaker 3: made any changes, even though they've been meeting with the
Speaker 3: high park community groups and the zoning boards. Well, please
Speaker 3: talk to them. Well they talk to them, but if
Speaker 3: they do nothing, it's like talking to a teenager. If
Speaker 3: the teenager doesn't change their attitudes, well nothing happens. The
Speaker 3: greats don't go up. The interaction with the family doesn't change.
Speaker 3: You can talk to them to your blue in the
Speaker 3: face until you get them to change. Now, that's really
Speaker 3: what they've done. They've played ropodope with a Hyde Park
Speaker 3: Community Council and they still haven't addressed one of the
Speaker 3: key issues, which is traffic. That's a very narrow, narrow
Speaker 3: straight and what are you going to do to widen it?
Speaker 3: You're going to take out the park in the middle
Speaker 3: of the square. What do you do here? It's amazing
Speaker 3: you take their own words from well, the clique camp
Speaker 3: and louring families have been embedded for years in politics
Speaker 3: and Cincinnati, and I think it might be helpful to
Speaker 3: take a look at the history a little bit of
Speaker 3: zoning and the purposes. Going back into the Middle Ages,
Speaker 3: tanneries weren't allowed in towns. Why because they stank, because
Speaker 3: of what they use to cure the hides. More recently,
Speaker 3: beginning in Charleston where they built a Francis Marion hotel
Speaker 3: in the twenties, people realized, oh my god, we're known
Speaker 3: as the city as spires, and if we allow this,
Speaker 3: it's toiler than the spires of our churches. We have
Speaker 3: to do something to protect it. Every time that there's
Speaker 3: been a movement to protect something, there's been a casualty.
Speaker 3: And in South Carolina, in Charleston, it was realizing they
Speaker 3: were about to lose their entire city scape. So they
Speaker 3: limited the height of buildings. And they've got a great
Speaker 3: ordinance for that purpose, and they've got a design review
Speaker 3: board and really great analysis of the height of of
Speaker 3: stories and what can be counted as a story and
Speaker 3: and how you deal with that, and adding these just
Speaker 3: few more feet higher than well, they're using the wrong
Speaker 3: structures to compare. Number one, they're not the ones on
Speaker 3: the square. And number two, that just a few more
Speaker 3: feet higher than would be another story or level in Charleston.
Speaker 3: And every time you have a story and you start
Speaker 3: going higher, you increase the underlying cost for the city
Speaker 3: to have the adequate fire apparatus. You'll notice that when
Speaker 3: you go out well on the interstate, all of those
Speaker 3: hotels are generally four stories high. You go higher than that,
Speaker 3: you need to have more fire apparatus or you lose
Speaker 3: your fire reading for that area. And that's an additional
Speaker 3: expense for the city. And the city's already crying forth.
Speaker 3: They claim they'd have guardrails around the money for the railroad.
Speaker 3: Back to that for a moment, and it didn't take
Speaker 3: them a month to try and find ways to pick
Speaker 3: that piggybank lock.
Speaker 1: Well, and this all springs from that connected community saying
Speaker 1: the city council pass right, Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: They wanted to have a connected community, and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, now they want to go around what
Speaker 3: they just passed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess I want to try to understand
Speaker 1: the relationship between connected communities and this proposal, which is
Speaker 1: again to put some higher density housing in Hyde Park,
Speaker 1: apartments most notably as well as a hotel. I understand
Speaker 1: that the project's proposed height is eighty five and a
Speaker 1: half feet, which is going to require zoning change with
Speaker 1: the City of Sinceinna, which imagine will be easily acquired
Speaker 1: since the city's in charge of this. But don't the
Speaker 1: residents of Hyde Park have any say over this anymore?
Speaker 3: How Well, it shouldn't just be the residence of Hyde Park,
Speaker 3: it should be the residence of all the communities. True. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you can do it to Hyde Park. They'll do
Speaker 3: it to Mount Lookout Square, So do it to Oakley Square.
Speaker 3: They'll do it to Sailor Park. I mean a man,
Speaker 3: if they went out to the minority communities and started
Speaker 3: Addison and they started buying up large blocks, put one
Speaker 3: layer of shops on the first, then put two three
Speaker 3: layers of parking, and then another three to five layers
Speaker 3: of housing on top, that would totally destroy Sailor Park.
Speaker 3: To totally destroy Addison, I mean Cincinnati has the largest
Speaker 3: aggregation of Italian eight structures in the country outside of
Speaker 3: New York. That's why Lost New Yorkers was filmed here. Well,
Speaker 3: if you start buying up blocks of property, because Kelly,
Speaker 3: it is to be so much better if we did
Speaker 3: something different. And you look at what is in the lowering,
Speaker 3: what is that the North Point group, And you see
Speaker 3: they've got the Italianate structures on Vine Street. But then
Speaker 3: look what they built it. They'reld he can cansite across
Speaker 3: from the Broadway Colts. They're in the old time Star building.
Speaker 3: But you just follow every time we've had a major
Speaker 3: loss of a structure that was historically significant. The real
Speaker 3: push for all of this began with the destruction of
Speaker 3: Penn Station in New York to build a new Madison
Speaker 3: Square gardens. It was built a design on the colla
Speaker 3: Roman baths. Well, they tore that down, and I remember
Speaker 3: going by the meadowlands and seeing the beautiful limestone columns
Speaker 3: sinking into the mark. Well that started the whole idea
Speaker 3: of historic preservation, and that push for a historic preservation
Speaker 3: in New York led to Jackie O NASA saving Grand
Speaker 3: Central Station in the seventies.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, in the interest of time, because we're running
Speaker 1: out of time, Al Nippert, is this going to end
Speaker 1: up in courts?
Speaker 3: It absolutely should, because maybe because the Keio, New England,
Speaker 3: Land case was about a taking, and it was followed
Speaker 3: up by the Norwood case here in Cincinnati, which which
Speaker 3: took a different view because of Ohio constitutions. Stare, take
Speaker 3: the property just to benefit somebody else because you like
Speaker 3: some better time.
Speaker 1: The lawyer up in Hyde Park is where I think
Speaker 1: we have led this discussion. Al Nipper. Thank you for
Speaker 1: your insight and thoughtful comments on this matter. Keep your
Speaker 1: popcorn out. It ain't over. The Nimby lawsuits probably just beginning.
Speaker 1: I'll look forward to having you back on real soon.
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