1 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:35,399 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:39,119 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,600 going to bring you this week's episode of Drag Nap. 4 00:00:42,719 --> 00:00:45,320 But first I do want to encourage you. If you're 5 00:00:45,439 --> 00:00:51,000 enjoying the podcast, please follow us using your favorite podcast software, 6 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,320 and today's program is brought you apart by the financial 7 00:00:54,399 --> 00:00:57,679 support of our listeners. You can support the show on 8 00:00:57,759 --> 00:01:01,880 a one time basis by me leanition to Adam Graham 9 00:01:02,079 --> 00:01:06,359 peelbox one five nine one three. That's Peelbox one five 10 00:01:06,519 --> 00:01:10,799 nine thirteen boyse the Idaho eight three seven one five. 11 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,920 Thank you so much for your support. You can also 12 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,840 become one of our ongoing Patreon supporters for as little 13 00:01:17,879 --> 00:01:21,079 lass two dollars per day just by going to Patreon 14 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:27,280 dot Great Detectives dot net. Well, now it is time 15 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:34,599 for today's echoed the Big Juvenile Division from January seventeenth, 16 00:01:34,879 --> 00:01:41,239 nineteen fifty two. 17 00:01:45,239 --> 00:01:48,159 Speaker 2: The story you were about to hear is true. The 18 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:58,599 names have been changed to protect the innocent. You're a 19 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:03,319 detective sergeant. You're assigned to Homicide Special Detail. There are 20 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,879 rumors of an impending war between juvenile gangs in your city. Reportedly, 21 00:02:07,959 --> 00:02:11,319 members of both gangs are well supplied with homemade weapons. 22 00:02:11,719 --> 00:02:13,400 You don't know when the fighting will break out. 23 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,479 Speaker 3: You don't know where your job stop it. 24 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 4: Dragnet the document a drama of an actual crime. For 25 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,639 the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles 26 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:37,759 Police Department, you will travel step by step on the 27 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,439 side of the law through an actual case transcribed from 28 00:02:40,479 --> 00:02:45,120 official police violence. From beginning to end, from crime to punishment, 29 00:02:45,479 --> 00:02:48,199 Dragnet is the story of your police force in action. 30 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 5: It was Tuesday, October fourteenth, was cloudy in Los Angeles. 31 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,840 We were working a special detail out a homicide division. 32 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,360 My partners said, Jacob, it's the boss is Captain Lorman. 33 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 6: My name is Friday. 34 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 5: It was one eighteen pm when I got to twenty 35 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,000 fifteen East First Street, the second floor, Holland beg Juvenile Division. 36 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,759 Speaker 6: Joe, Hi, let you find out nothing? 37 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, Gardner had to go next door. He'll be back 38 00:03:14,039 --> 00:03:15,800 a minute. Give us rundown on a thing. 39 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 3: FRIDAYA Hi, Hi. 40 00:03:18,039 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 6: How are you doing? 41 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: My good to see? How are things going downtown? 42 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 6: Why not? Bad? Little slow here? 43 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 3: You got problems, lots of them. Captain Brief you on 44 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:25,360 any of it. 45 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 5: No, he told us a check with you, you'd fill us in, 46 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:28,840 said maybe you could use some help. 47 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: All we can get. We're sitting on top of a 48 00:03:30,719 --> 00:03:32,280 bomb out here. We don't know what it's going to 49 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:35,120 go off. What's the pitch Gardener? Juvenile gangs? Five of 50 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,879 them this time. The way we get it, they're ready 51 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,360 for trouble. All of them high school kid most of them. 52 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:40,639 Some of them are in junior high. 53 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:42,719 Speaker 6: Well, how come five gangs? What are they planning? A 54 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:43,280 free for all? 55 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,159 Speaker 3: It's a long story. They've been building up to this 56 00:03:45,199 --> 00:03:47,280 thing for months. All east Side kids, we're here. It's 57 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,840 supposed to be an open war. Here's a list of 58 00:03:50,879 --> 00:03:55,560 the different gangs involved. Thanks you see, they're same crowds 59 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,520 we've been riding hurt On for the last couple of years. 60 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 7: M h. 61 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:02,039 Speaker 5: You've got the Purple Heart Gang, the Blue Devils, the Apaches, 62 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:03,759 Happy Valley, rose Hill. 63 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: Here's a breakdown on each one of them. Hard to 64 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,680 get exact figures, but we think it's fairly accurate. Purple 65 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,439 Heart Gang twenty six members leader Harold Fry seventeen. Blue 66 00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:17,560 Devil's eighteen members, leaders Jack Holland, age seventeen and BUTCHERM. 67 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,959 Willis sixteen. The Apache's twenty two members leader Robert Lawson seventeen. 68 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:23,360 They're supposed to be the strongest bins. 69 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:23,639 Speaker 6: Wow. 70 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: Happy Valley Gang twenty members leaders Roy Martin sixteen and 71 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:31,279 Josephilmers sixteen. Rose Hill Gang sixteen members, leader Thomas Resony eighteen. 72 00:04:31,959 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 6: Yeah. Well what's behind it, Gardner? I mean the gang 73 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:35,319 or that they're supposed to be planning. 74 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:37,319 Speaker 3: A lot of factors enter into it. I guess it's 75 00:04:37,319 --> 00:04:39,279 my own idea. The Apache Gang is doing most of 76 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:39,800 the promoting. 77 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 7: What's the object anyway, the. 78 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: Usual big shot idea. Some high school kids get the 79 00:04:44,319 --> 00:04:46,480 Apaches figure they're going to run the whole east side. 80 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,839 They've already scared the Happy Valley Gang and the Blue 81 00:04:48,879 --> 00:04:49,959 Devils into joining. 82 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:50,079 Speaker 6: Up with them. 83 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: Well how they Mana's that I'd like to find out myself. 84 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 6: Well, how about the other two crowds there, Rose Hill 85 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:56,800 and the Purple Heart Bunch. 86 00:04:56,879 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 3: The story I get is they won't come in with 87 00:04:58,759 --> 00:05:01,199 the Apaches. Spposed to be the reason for the war. 88 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:03,879 Either they joined up with the Apaches or they fight them. 89 00:05:03,959 --> 00:05:06,560 It's a warning they got who'll be playing in big 90 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,079 time all the way. Sixteen seventeen year olds. They got 91 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,079 gang lieutenants, They got their own cards, their own hideouts. 92 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:15,560 Some of them even have their girlfriends running with them, 93 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:17,519 same age, none of them over seventeen. 94 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,079 Speaker 6: What'd you get your information? Bill? 95 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,399 Speaker 3: Half a dozen kids, most of them from the Blue 96 00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:24,240 Devils in the Happy Valley Gang. They were mixed up 97 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,600 in a couple of after school fights in Hollandbeck Park. 98 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,000 The stories they gave us are enough. The curlier heir, Yeah, 99 00:05:28,959 --> 00:05:31,160 what I mean about the big war they're going to have. 100 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,399 One of the girls we picked up gave us most 101 00:05:33,399 --> 00:05:35,839 of a fifteen year old, says their boyfriends. One of 102 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,120 the big shots for the Blue Devils. What she had 103 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,319 to say, talked about it like it was some kind 104 00:05:40,319 --> 00:05:42,439 of a game they were playing. I say, the Rose 105 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,399 Hill and the Purple Heart gangs were teaming up so 106 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:46,839 they could stand up against the other three. They've been 107 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,839 getting ready for the war for six weeks. Really organized. 108 00:05:49,879 --> 00:05:52,519 Speaker 7: I don't get it. Who's doing the organizing, who's promoting them? 109 00:05:52,759 --> 00:05:54,399 Speaker 3: I got an idea about that, and get to it 110 00:05:54,399 --> 00:06:01,120 in a minute. Take a look at these over here, Yeah, 111 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:03,879 samples of the different weapons the gangs are getting together 112 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:11,000 for the big fight. Crazy kids, brass knuckles, homemade SAPs, 113 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:11,639 all kinds. 114 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,319 Speaker 6: What's this here, garder my look. 115 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 3: Homemade stiletto, good six inch blade? Kids are supposed to 116 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:23,279 have dozens of them. Another one here? Look at this 117 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:26,839 ice pick. Anything you can think of, you name it. 118 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 6: We got it. 119 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 7: It's gonna be wholesale murder if we can't find a 120 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:30,240 way to stop it. 121 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 6: You've been able to finger what the real trouble is. 122 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: Bill, I got an idea. Yeah, he asked about the 123 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,240 gangs teaming up. A minute ago. We figured we got 124 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,240 a young hitler on our hands. Kid by the name 125 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,759 of Robert Lawson. He's supposed to be the ring leader 126 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:44,680 of the Apache gang. Moved in about a year ago 127 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:45,439 from the Middle West. 128 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,759 Speaker 7: I want you to know about him, wrote a letter to. 129 00:06:52,399 --> 00:06:54,199 Speaker 3: We talked to the boy a couple of times. His 130 00:06:54,319 --> 00:06:57,879 parents too, didn't do much good. Never had enough to 131 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,480 file a petition on him and bring him to the 132 00:06:59,519 --> 00:07:02,839 attention of juvenile court. We know he's responsible for a 133 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:04,959 lot of the trouble we got, but he always has 134 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,720 some other kid do it for him. He never does 135 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:07,279 it himself. 136 00:07:07,439 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 8: You think he's responsible for working up the game where 137 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,240 either we figure he's our biggest problem. 138 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:14,879 Speaker 3: We tried everything to reach the loss in kid, settle 139 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,120 him down. Check for the teachers at his school, the principal, 140 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,319 vice principal. They can't handle him. They figure on expelling 141 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:22,519 him if he doesn't straighten him. 142 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 6: How about the other youngsters in these games? I mean, 143 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:25,959 besides this lossome. 144 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: Boy, We've got notifications out for them and their parents. 145 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,199 We're supposed to be in here tomorrow night at seven thirty. 146 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,720 Maybe we can break laws in his hold on these kids. 147 00:07:33,879 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 7: Sure, got me. 148 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,759 Speaker 9: It's a matter of this loss In boy's parents. Don't 149 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,639 they know what's going on? Can't they control him? 150 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: He tried to talk to the parents. They think we're wrong. 151 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,720 They're proud of the kid. It's been a high IQ. 152 00:07:44,839 --> 00:07:47,439 They think he's a natural born leader. Yeah sure, yeah, 153 00:07:48,279 --> 00:07:50,519 the mother says, people just don't understand the boy. 154 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 5: Well, maybe you should have told him, huh, Sam Quentin 155 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:59,600 is full of people we don't understand. The following night, 156 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,800 when the October fifteenth, the members and ringleaders of the 157 00:08:02,839 --> 00:08:05,600 various juvenile gangs, along with their parents, showed up at 158 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:10,120 Hollenbeck Juvenile Division as requested in questioning each of the youngsters. 159 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,920 We definitely confirmed the reports we had of the impending 160 00:08:12,959 --> 00:08:16,399 gang war. The interviews also revealed that if and when 161 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:19,040 the fighting did start, it would be more serious than 162 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,240 we had first figured. For one thing, there were more 163 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:25,639 youngsters involved than we thought. The gangs had been recruiting 164 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,560 new members, but a dozen in preparation for the street fights. 165 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,159 For another thing, we found out the teenagers weren't carrying 166 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:34,919 around eight inch knives and brass knuckles just for show. 167 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,360 If fighting started, they were ready and willing to use them. 168 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,519 We weren't sure how much we could count on it, 169 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,639 but after interviewing the parents and advising them how serious 170 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,919 the situation was, they promised their full cooperation. Most of 171 00:08:47,919 --> 00:08:50,840 them agreed they'd maintained strict check on their youngsters and 172 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:54,120 keep them out of all neighborhood gang activities. Some of 173 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:57,080 the parents took a resentful latitude. They insisted the gangs 174 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,879 were harmless. They accused us of picking on the youngsters. 175 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,559 A few of the parents didn't even show up at 176 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,960 the meeting. Among these were the parents of seventeen year 177 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,960 old Robert Loss and the boy who seemed to be 178 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,559 promoting most of the trouble. The following morning, my partner 179 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,600 ed Jacobs and I drove out to his home and 180 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:15,799 we talked with his mother. She was friendly, but not 181 00:09:15,879 --> 00:09:16,720 too cooperative. 182 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 10: I don't know why you say that, Sergeant. I appreciate 183 00:09:19,039 --> 00:09:20,879 your worrying about my boy, but I'm sure it's not 184 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:21,720 as bad as you think. 185 00:09:21,879 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 9: I'm into contradict you, missus Lawson, but I'm afraid it 186 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:25,240 is a lot worse than you think. 187 00:09:25,399 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 10: That's what the other officers said too. But you really 188 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:29,399 don't have any proof, do you. I mean, a few 189 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,080 idle rumors. You certainly kind of accuse Robert on that basis. 190 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 5: We're not accusing Robert of anything, ma'am, it's not the point. 191 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:35,799 What we're trying to do is to head off the 192 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:36,919 trouble before it starts. 193 00:09:37,039 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 7: You were living in the Middle West before you came 194 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,039 to Los Angeles, that right, ma'am. 195 00:09:40,159 --> 00:09:41,399 Speaker 10: Yes, that's all right. Nebraska. 196 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 7: It wasn't your boy in some kind of trouble back there, Yes, 197 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:44,519 but it. 198 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 10: Didn't amount to anything. Could have been avoided so easily. 199 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:49,559 They just didn't understand Robert. That was the whole trouble. 200 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 6: Is he an only child man? 201 00:09:51,879 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 10: Yes, just Robert but he's not spoiled. I know it's 202 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,080 a great temptation with an only child, but we didn't 203 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,519 spoil him. Robert just doesn't like it. U. 204 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:01,759 Speaker 7: I'm quite a bit of freedom, do you, ma'am? I mean, 205 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,240 does he go out night very often? 206 00:10:03,759 --> 00:10:07,039 Speaker 10: Well? He is seventeen years old going on eighteen. Yes, 207 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,519 my husband and I allow him to go out as 208 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,279 often as he likes, as long as he keeps up 209 00:10:10,279 --> 00:10:14,240 with his studies. Robert's always done very well, always tops 210 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:14,960 in his class. 211 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 6: You know where he spends his time when he goes 212 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:17,120 at night. 213 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 10: He's usually down at the gym or at the library. 214 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 6: You know that for a fact? Do you? 215 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 10: I trust Robert if that's what you mean. He tells 216 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,519 me that's where he's going. I believe him. The mother 217 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:30,399 can't believe her own son. Who can she believe? 218 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 7: I'm about the company your boy keeps. You know any 219 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,879 of his friends, missus lawsman. 220 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,639 Speaker 10: Few, Yes, there's the Miller boy and Jack Holland. They 221 00:10:38,639 --> 00:10:39,720 seem to be fine boys. 222 00:10:39,879 --> 00:10:40,639 Speaker 7: Miller in Holland. 223 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 10: Yes, it doesn't seem to be anything wrong with him. 224 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 6: Well there is, ma'am. Well, both of them have juvenile records. 225 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,000 Both of them belong to your son's game. 226 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 10: Really, sergeant, how can you say that it isn't fair? 227 00:10:55,159 --> 00:10:57,639 Wouldn't it be better to try and understand these boys 228 00:10:57,639 --> 00:10:59,879 instead of picking on persecuting. 229 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 5: I don't know how we're going to make you understand 230 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:05,000 as laws and we're not picking on them. We're not 231 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:08,000 persecuting him. We know there's a gang problem. We know 232 00:11:08,039 --> 00:11:09,679 your boys one of those at the bottom of it. 233 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,720 If something isn't done, there's going to be trouble. We're 234 00:11:11,759 --> 00:11:13,360 going to stop it before it begins. We're going to 235 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:14,159 have to have your help. 236 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:16,279 Speaker 10: I'm perfectly willing to cooperate. 237 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 6: You know that. 238 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 10: It must be Robert. Now excuse me, Robert. Bob is 239 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:22,960 that you? 240 00:11:23,039 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 8: Yeah? 241 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:25,879 Speaker 10: Would you come in here a minute, Bob, we're in 242 00:11:25,879 --> 00:11:27,879 the living room. 243 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 6: Yeah, what do you want? 244 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,799 Speaker 10: These are police officers, Bobby. This is Sergeant Friday, Sergeant Jacobs. 245 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:36,240 Is that right? 246 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 6: Oh? 247 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 11: How about something to eat? Haven't you anything ready? 248 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 10: I wasn't expecting you, Bob. Won't take me a minute though. 249 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,000 You sit down there. I'll go out and get a 250 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:46,919 snack together for you. 251 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,399 Speaker 12: Did that picture with Sandwich officers? 252 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:51,919 Speaker 6: No, thank you? Oh thanks very much. 253 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:54,879 Speaker 13: I'll be a minute Bob, we're just talking about you 254 00:11:54,919 --> 00:11:55,519 when you came in. 255 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 11: What's it about, sergeant? Do you want to see me? 256 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,080 Or do you just want to talk to my mother? 257 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:00,919 Speaker 6: As long as you here, we'd like to talk to 258 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,080 both of you. Bob, we got to take off pretty fast. 259 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 11: Just came home and get some eat. What's it about? 260 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,399 Speaker 5: It's about Geronimo. That's the gang's code word for the 261 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:10,480 warrior setting up. 262 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 6: Isn't he? 263 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 11: I don't know what you're talking about. 264 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 9: Your gang, bomby apatches. We talked to half a dozen 265 00:12:14,159 --> 00:12:15,879 of them last night down to the juvenile division. 266 00:12:15,919 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 5: All right, now, look, we've got the names of everybody 267 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,000 in your gang. We know the whole setup. You go 268 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:21,600 ahead with your idea and you're gonna buy a lot 269 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:22,000 of trouble. 270 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,919 Speaker 11: A couple of cops were here last week and said 271 00:12:23,919 --> 00:12:26,240 the same thing. I don't know anymore about it now, 272 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:29,000 and I did then? Honest, what's the pitch anyway? 273 00:12:29,279 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 7: You know what the pitch is, youngster? 274 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 11: I don't honest. You're trying to say, I'm in a gang? 275 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:34,799 Speaker 6: Is that it? And you're unning up to your next son? 276 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:36,399 I why don't you come off? 277 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 5: And we bet you pegged and everybody that runs with you, 278 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:40,279 That includes the girlfriends you got in the gang. 279 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 6: You're not fooling anybody. 280 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 11: You must be a little crazy. I'm not in any gang. 281 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:44,960 They never even heard of one around here. 282 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 5: And you listen to me. Boy, You can take this 283 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,240 as a warning or a piece of advice. Either way, 284 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:52,840 you and your friends keep on playing punk gangs because 285 00:12:52,879 --> 00:12:53,639 we're going to lean on you. 286 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 6: You understand. 287 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 11: What is this trying to scare me? 288 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 5: If it'll make you change your mind? Yeah, if the 289 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,080 street war comes, there's going to be big trouble. But 290 00:13:02,159 --> 00:13:03,720 he think is going to happen when two hundred kids 291 00:13:03,799 --> 00:13:05,600 tangle in a fight with knives and brass knuckles. 292 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 10: And I use your head, Bob a nice rowl of 293 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,840 hot soup baking and tomato sandwiches. 294 00:13:14,279 --> 00:13:16,279 Speaker 11: Yeah, you always make the soup too hot. 295 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,879 Speaker 10: Oh, I didn't mean to let it cool off for 296 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:22,159 a minute. Then Bob has to eat and hurry along. 297 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:23,960 Off says, is there anything else you wanted to talk 298 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:24,600 to him about? 299 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 5: No, I think you've heard everything we have to say. 300 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,279 I wish you'd think it over, missus Lawson, you too. 301 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 11: Bob, nothing to think over. They're trying to say I'm 302 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:34,879 in a gang. They think I'm the leader. 303 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:36,799 Speaker 10: You told them, didn't she? 304 00:13:36,919 --> 00:13:37,519 Speaker 6: Not sure? 305 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 11: They don't believe me. 306 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 10: I wish I could make you understand, Sergeant, He's not 307 00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:47,279 a gang leader. Robert's telling the truth, pretty is, ma'am? 308 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,360 Well he is. I know he is. I mean, after all, 309 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,120 he's my son. I'm in a position to know him 310 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:55,559 better than you do. If he was lying, I know it. 311 00:13:56,279 --> 00:13:58,720 I wish I could make you understand. Mother is the 312 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:03,279 only one who really knows her. I know Robert's telling 313 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:12,559 the truth, aren't you, Robert? Robert, that's so, isn't it? 314 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:14,559 You're telling the truth? 315 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 11: Aren't you sure? How about some more soup? 316 00:14:21,679 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 5: Before we left the house, we tried again to talk 317 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:26,440 to Robert lawson and his mother, but it was no use. 318 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,759 She believed every word he said, and he apparently refused 319 00:14:29,759 --> 00:14:32,279 to believe the possible consequences of the war he was 320 00:14:32,279 --> 00:14:35,919 planning for his gang of juveniles. We drove downtown and 321 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,000 had an interview with the boy's father at his work. 322 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,480 He was even less cooperative. He took on a belligerent 323 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,919 attitude and accused us of persecuting his son and ordered 324 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,480 us out of the office along with Sergeant Bill Gardner 325 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:48,399 and Frank Kerber. 326 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,639 Speaker 6: We spent the rest of the afternoon and most of. 327 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 5: The following day checking with parents of youngsters who had 328 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:56,360 been recently recruited into one of the various East Side gangs. 329 00:14:56,679 --> 00:15:00,519 Most of them were cooperative. Late that afternoon, Bill Gardner 330 00:15:00,679 --> 00:15:04,080 hadn't myself met with Captain Stein back at Hollenbeck. 331 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 8: Juvenile strict curfew all over the area. We can start 332 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,320 tonight and what do you figure? Just on the weekends, 333 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,919 every night Sunday to Sunday. I'll get some more men 334 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,159 in to help out. Every youngster out in the street 335 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:14,399 after ten o'clock get stopped. 336 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:15,639 Speaker 6: Everyone. 337 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:17,919 Speaker 7: I'm caught with knives, SAPs, brass knuckles or. 338 00:15:17,919 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 8: Anything like them, They're going to be pulled in and 339 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,399 filed on no exceptions. Be a lot safer in custody 340 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:23,559 than mixing in the gang fight. 341 00:15:23,759 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of help. Might teach some of the 342 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:26,399 parents a lesson anyway. 343 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, excuse me, joven on division Stein. 344 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:36,759 Speaker 8: Where was that when h Yeah right away, let's hustle 345 00:15:36,759 --> 00:15:38,320 it Evergreen Avenue out near the cemetery. 346 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,159 Speaker 6: Now, what is it? Curfew is a good idea? 347 00:15:40,159 --> 00:15:41,799 Speaker 7: We got it too late. Gang war. 348 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 6: It's already started. Before we left the office. 349 00:15:46,879 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 5: We had communications notify all J cars on the special 350 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:52,159 detail to proceed at once to the scene of the 351 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,480 major four point fifteen call. Ten cars were ordered to 352 00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:58,120 cruise the area surrounding the actual scene of the fight 353 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,159 and to pick up any and all members of the 354 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:03,120 Juvenile gangs who showed any evidence of having been in 355 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,600 the fight or had in their possession any deadly weapon. 356 00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:09,399 Captain Stein Bill Gardner ed and myself left the office 357 00:16:09,399 --> 00:16:11,559 on a Code three and drove out to the scene 358 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,159 of the gang fight. When we got there, all the 359 00:16:14,279 --> 00:16:17,679 J cars and three radio crews had the area blocked off. 360 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:21,039 An ambulance crew was treating more than a dozen youngsters 361 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,480 who had been injured during the fight. One of the 362 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:26,960 youngsters had a lacerated eye he'd been blinded. Most of 363 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,200 the other victims would carry scars for the rest of 364 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:29,840 their lives. 365 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:31,639 Speaker 7: The juveniles wh'd. 366 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,399 Speaker 5: Taken part in the battle and who'd been lucky enough 367 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,120 to escape without serious injury. Were being loaded into the 368 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,919 J cars and the radio cars. They were to be 369 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,480 removed to Juvenile headquarters at thirteen thirty five Georgia Street 370 00:16:42,559 --> 00:16:46,720 for further investigation. Together with Bill Gardner and Frank Kerber, 371 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:49,879 Ed and I began covering the area, collecting dozens of 372 00:16:49,879 --> 00:16:52,840 homemade weapons used in the gang fight. They'd be turned 373 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,960 over to Pete Brown Hollenbeck juvenal. 374 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 9: To be booked as evidence. Joe, Yeah, come on minute 375 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:06,839 over here. Yeah, have a look. He's a chained bloodstains 376 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:07,000 on it. 377 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:15,759 Speaker 6: Lousy. Help, he's just gonna gather. Come on across the 378 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:17,160 street there the car in the driveway. 379 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, helping. 380 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 13: He's hurt. 381 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:22,319 Speaker 2: Somebody help him. 382 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: Bobby. 383 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,319 Speaker 7: What's trouble, Bobby? 384 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,519 Speaker 13: He was in the fight where the gang they stabbed him. 385 00:17:26,519 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 6: He's in the car. What is it? 386 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 7: Joe? 387 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:35,279 Speaker 6: Take a look the lost and boyer. Yeah, knife in 388 00:17:35,319 --> 00:17:35,759 his chest. 389 00:17:35,839 --> 00:17:36,759 Speaker 7: Want me to get the doctor. 390 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, call a coroner too. 391 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:52,319 Speaker 4: You are listening to drag net authentic stories of your 392 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:53,400 police force and action. 393 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 5: Thursday October sixteenth, five point thirty five pm, after the 394 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,960 discovery of Robert Lawson's body in the car parked in 395 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,400 the driveway adjoining the cemetery grounds, Ed brought the doctor 396 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,400 over from the ambulance. The seventeen year old Losson boy 397 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:18,920 was pronounced dead. The doctor made out the prescribed form 398 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,440 and marked Ada. While we waited for the crime lab 399 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,400 crew and the coroner to get there, Ed and I 400 00:18:24,519 --> 00:18:27,400 questioned the girl who'd led us to the body. She 401 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,720 identified herself as Anne Porter, aged sixteen. She told us 402 00:18:31,759 --> 00:18:35,039 she was Bob Lawson's girlfriend. She readily admitted accompanying him 403 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:37,079 to the scene of the gang fight that afternoon. 404 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 13: I knew what it was going to be like. I 405 00:18:39,079 --> 00:18:41,759 knew right then came closer. Bob told the kids to 406 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:44,279 get ready. There were little ways from us. When they 407 00:18:44,319 --> 00:18:46,440 stopped the other King of Purple hearts. 408 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:47,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, go ahead. 409 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,319 Speaker 13: There's a kid by the name of Jumpy. 410 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:50,039 Speaker 10: He's the leader. 411 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 13: He stepped out in front of him and called the 412 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:55,119 Bob called him a bad names at bad things. 413 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 7: I suppoy you called Jumpy he knows real name. 414 00:18:57,279 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 13: N No, Jumpy's only his nickname. I know HI when 415 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:00,680 I see him the one point him out. 416 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 6: What happened after he called Bob. I don't know what. 417 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:04,480 I don't know. 418 00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 13: I'm not sure. Everything seemed to happen at once. Bob 419 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,279 swore at me, pushed me back, told me to get 420 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:11,160 out of the way. Then he walked up to this 421 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:13,240 kid jumping right in front of their whole gang. I 422 00:19:13,279 --> 00:19:15,400 screamed at Bob. I screamed at him, not too. 423 00:19:15,319 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 7: Why had to scream? What'd he do? 424 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,039 Speaker 13: He had a chain under his coat. It was kind 425 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:22,000 of a short whip like Bob had it doubled up. 426 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 6: Yeah. 427 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 13: When he went up to Jumpy, Bob had a cigarette 428 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,920 in his mouth. He told Jumpy to light it for him. 429 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,480 He's supposed to mean his chicken if he does it. Jump, 430 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,240 He laughed at him. Bob took out the chain and 431 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:34,079 hit him across the face with it, hit him with 432 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,039 all his might, not jumping down. Was laying on the sidewalk. 433 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,119 His face was cut bad. Bob had the chain, kept 434 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,799 hitting him with it, and somebody gave a yell and 435 00:19:43,839 --> 00:19:45,119 both the gangs started fighting. 436 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 6: Were you close to Bob lost? And most of the 437 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:48,039 time no. 438 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 13: Not first there's a lot of yelling and kicking and 439 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,519 fighting going on. I ran around and was looking and 440 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:56,759 finally saw Bob. I'm not sure it happened so fast. 441 00:19:57,079 --> 00:19:57,799 Speaker 7: What happened then? 442 00:19:58,039 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 13: I'm not sure. I thought I saw be pull a 443 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:04,039 knife on Bob, long and thin, maybe an ice pick. 444 00:20:05,079 --> 00:20:09,119 Bobby was still hitting with a chain. It looked like 445 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,519 Jumpy hit Bob in the chest. Was something right over 446 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:12,039 the heart? 447 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 10: Bobby stopped. 448 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,039 Speaker 13: Jumpy did it again. 449 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 12: Bobby got Fightey looked sick. 450 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 6: He turned around run What happened? Then? 451 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,799 Speaker 13: Bobby kept running. I knew he was hurt. I went 452 00:20:24,839 --> 00:20:26,759 after him. I saw him fall, but he got up. 453 00:20:27,279 --> 00:20:29,720 He kept running. Then when the other gang grabbed me, 454 00:20:29,759 --> 00:20:30,279 they hit me. 455 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,039 Speaker 7: I understand. 456 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 12: I didn't find. 457 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 13: Bob until a fight was over heard, the cops, cars coming, 458 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,559 sirens coming around from everywhere. 459 00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:39,799 Speaker 3: I felt sick. 460 00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:42,599 Speaker 13: I finally found Bob though he was laying in the 461 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,319 back seat of the car, just laying there. 462 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 6: That's when you called out, Yes, I guess. 463 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 12: I knew it as soon as I looked at him, dead, 464 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,400 white as a sheet. Amy. Not when you find somebody dead, 465 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:01,319 not somebody loved it all right lyne. 466 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 10: You know that it won't be all right. 467 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:04,759 Speaker 6: I love Bob. 468 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 12: Didn't you know that when he graduated, the first thing 469 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,359 we were going to get married, so miss hat to school, 470 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,920 we'd be married, be married. 471 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:20,319 Speaker 6: Yea, yeah, how old are you? 472 00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:22,039 Speaker 12: I'm sixteen? 473 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,839 Speaker 5: Why nothing? It happens to practically everybody. What people seem 474 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:34,319 to make a lot of mistakes when they're sixteen, six. 475 00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 6: Thirty, PM. 476 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,079 Speaker 5: The crime lab crew arrived, took pictures of the entire 477 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,759 scene along with all physical evidence, and dusted the murder 478 00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:41,799 weapon an eight inch. 479 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,319 Speaker 6: Knife for fingerprints. 480 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,799 Speaker 5: The coroner arrived and after we'd completed our investigation, he 481 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,680 removed the body to the County Morde. Along with a policewoman. 482 00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:53,880 We took Robert Lawson's girlfriend, sixteen year old Anne Porter, 483 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,839 down at Georgia Street Juvenile Division to the assembly room. There, 484 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,000 a special show up was held of all the boys 485 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:03,640 involved in the afternoon's fight. The Porter girl identified a 486 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,079 seventeen year old with the name of Warren's Stone, nicknamed Jumpy, 487 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,319 as the boy who'd stabbed Robert Lawson to death. At 488 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,960 least a dozen other subjects in the case identified the 489 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,440 boy by his nickname Jumpy. Three members of either gang 490 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:20,440 involved in the fight declared and sworn statements that Warren 491 00:22:20,519 --> 00:22:22,799 Stone was the boy who'd attacked the Lowson boy with 492 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,519 a homemade Knight. Statements were taken from all concerned, and 493 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:29,480 the ring leaders of the gangs were detained. The other 494 00:22:29,559 --> 00:22:32,839 subjects were released to their parents' custody after being notified 495 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,880 that they would be filed on, and a hearing held 496 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,039 in juvenile court. Anne Porter was returned home by a policewoman. 497 00:22:39,559 --> 00:22:42,119 Seven fifty five pm. Ed Jacob's and I took the 498 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,759 subject Warren Stone to the Captain's office, where we tried 499 00:22:44,759 --> 00:22:46,119 to question him about the murder. 500 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 6: He refused to say anything. I told you the truth. 501 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:50,119 I told you the whole story. I don't have to 502 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,319 tell you again. We're pretty sure you didn't tell us 503 00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:54,839 the truth. One. We know you tangled with Bob Lawson 504 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,319 in that fight this afternoon. No I didn't. 505 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 7: We've got statements from a dozen kids. 506 00:22:59,000 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 6: Son. 507 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 7: They say last had a piece of chaine. He kept 508 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,559 slugging you with it. They say you pulled a knife 509 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:03,240 and stabbed him. 510 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 3: Now they know a lot of kids are knives. 511 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 6: Anybody could have stabbed him. Why are you picking on me? 512 00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:09,920 It was your knife? Was your knife that killed him? 513 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:10,680 Your initials on it. 514 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 14: I lost a knife in the fight. Somebody could have 515 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,000 picked it up, he used it. No, they won't do 516 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,240 youngster in the handle of a knife spin processed. Your 517 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:25,799 fingerprints are all over it. I'm about it, son, Warren, 518 00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:27,599 Come on, now, what do you. 519 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 6: Get to say. 520 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:30,519 Speaker 7: Nothing? 521 00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 11: I killed him? 522 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,759 Speaker 5: Eight forty pm Warren Stone was booked in at Georgia 523 00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:42,160 Street Jail on suspicion of one to eighty seven PC 524 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,759 murdered ed and I got in the car and drove 525 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:46,839 out to the home of the murder victim to notify 526 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,359 his parents, mister and Missus Robert Lawson. Mister Lawson wasn't 527 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,519 home from work yet. We broke the news of her 528 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:55,000 son's death to Missus Lawson as gently as we could. 529 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,279 She became hysterical and we called the family doctor, who 530 00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:01,240 gave her saidatives. Later, when she recovered herself a bit, 531 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,680 she asked for the full story. 532 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,279 Speaker 6: We told her, how could it happened? 533 00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 15: Bobby? 534 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:08,759 Speaker 10: How could it happen? 535 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 7: Sorry, man, there's not much we can say. We tried 536 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,400 everything we could to stop it. 537 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 10: You didn't stop it. You let them kill Bobby. You 538 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,279 let them kill him. 539 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 6: No, ma'am, we tried to warn him. We tried to 540 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,559 warn all of them. We're sorry. 541 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:30,319 Speaker 10: You're not sorry. You didn't try. Bob's dead. Everything I had, 542 00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:34,920 He's seventeen years old and he's dead. I can thank 543 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,400 you for that, my only baby. 544 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 6: I'm sorry you feel that way? Was it losson? 545 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,039 Speaker 10: Why shouldn't I feel that way? You call yourselves policeman. 546 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,079 That boy who killed Bobby. You should have had him 547 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:53,079 in jail in the first place. Young killer nodding around 548 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,279 Lewis he is guilty. 549 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 12: As he is. 550 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 9: I'm not defending him, man, but he wasn't a young killer, 551 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,240 didn't even have a juvenile record. 552 00:24:58,319 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 10: I don't care anything about records. 553 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 6: Killer. 554 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:01,839 Speaker 10: He took a knife and he killed Bob, and you 555 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,799 let him do it. You let him. 556 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 6: Well, I think we better be going in. 557 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, you or your husband will have to identify the bodyman. 558 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,279 Tomorrow morning will be all right, the County Morgue, your God, 559 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,279 You'll have to be at the corner's inquest too. You'll 560 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:19,839 be notified about the time of the day. 561 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,319 Speaker 10: I hope you have to live with this. I hope 562 00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:26,039 you live with it like I have to live with it. 563 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:27,400 I hope it drives you crazy. 564 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 7: I know how you feel, ma'am, but you're wrong. I 565 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:31,599 think you'll realize. 566 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 10: That they murdered Bob. You let them kill him. I'll 567 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,240 always remember. 568 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 5: That, all right, And you remember something else. The last 569 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,920 time we came here to your house, he tried to 570 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,759 make you understand. 571 00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:47,279 Speaker 10: You didn't know Bobby. You didn't understand him. I was 572 00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:49,680 the only one. I always knew what he was thinking, 573 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,279 what he wanted, what he was going to do. I 574 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,160 was the only one. 575 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 6: No, ma'am, there was somebody else. What the boy who 576 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:03,960 killed him. 577 00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true. The names 578 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,200 were changed to protect the innocent. 579 00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 4: On November seventh, the hearing was held in Juvenile Court 580 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,759 Department thirty eighth, City and County of Los Angeles, State 581 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,799 of California. In a moment the results of that hearing and. 582 00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 6: Now here is our star, Jack Webb, Thank you, George Fentaman. Friends. 583 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 5: Just as a hobby, I've been collecting early jazz records, 584 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,359 blues and two beat music like Leon Vick s Biderbeck 585 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,720 used to play, and of course just about everything Benny 586 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:30,400 Goodman has done. 587 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 6: I've always tried to build my collection on quality. 588 00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 4: Seventeen year old Warren Ernest Stone was filed on alleging 589 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,519 violation of one eighty seven PC murder. The rest of 590 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:52,200 the juvenile gang ring leaders were filed on alleging two 591 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:55,599 forty two PC battery. They were all made wards of 592 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,519 the Juvenile Court and placed in detention homes under the 593 00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:02,160 supervision of the state Uthathae. They are still confined in 594 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:14,960 state institutions for juveniles. You have just heard Dragnett, a 595 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:19,119 series of authentic cases from official files. Technical advice comes 596 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,400 from the Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker, 597 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,359 Los Angeles Police Department. Heard Tonight where Barney Phillips, Charles 598 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,400 Smith and Deddy Firestone. Script by Jim Mosey, music by 599 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,960 Walter Schumann, Hell Gidney speaking. 600 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 6: Next. 601 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 11: It's David Harding and Counterspy on NBC. 602 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: Welcome Back. I should note that while most of the 603 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:55,279 TV adaptations of radio shows have the same episode title, 604 00:27:56,279 --> 00:28:00,400 the TV version of this is generally known as The 605 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,000 Big War, and it's one of the only season seven 606 00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:08,799 episodes of the TV series in circulation. It's a different 607 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,480 sort of dragnet. I think the typical dragnet episode tends 608 00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:19,200 to highlight the methods and the tools that police have 609 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:26,960 at solving crime. This episode instead emphasizes the limits on 610 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:35,200 the police in preventing crime without the necessary cooperation. Because 611 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:43,160 what happened at The War was a very preventable, slow 612 00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:48,559 motion tragedy, and it had to be very frustrating for 613 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:56,279 the officers who actually experience this because they had parents 614 00:28:56,319 --> 00:29:00,279 who just would not cooperate, would not deal with reality 615 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:04,920 and in particular the ringleader who made the whole thing 616 00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:09,279 come off. And once again you have a revisiting of 617 00:29:09,319 --> 00:29:14,960 a recurring theme of Dragnet, of a lack of parental 618 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:21,960 responsibility leading to tragedy. And again I do think it's 619 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,400 a bit of a misnomer that Dragnet was very very 620 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:31,119 hard on kids or very critical of kids. Much more 621 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:38,559 critical of absent or clueless parents. All right, listener comments 622 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:42,960 and feedback now, and we start on Spotify with a 623 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,319 comment regarding the Big Red Part One, doctor who Done 624 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:51,799 It wrote, I heard the teas there on Broadways my beat, 625 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,160 so I knew Joe was going to go undercover, and 626 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,640 I thought, poor Romero, he never gets to do it. 627 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,160 Then it hit me like a ton of bricks. I 628 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,000 won't hear him again. I'm missing a guy who's been 629 00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:07,599 dead seventy five years. Well, thank you so much. Appreciate 630 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,319 the comment and the sentiment. I definitely get it, and 631 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:15,799 I hope that you appreciate next week's encores, which I'm 632 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:22,599 aiming to include just programs featuring Barton Yarborough in guest roles. 633 00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:27,680 Over on the site called x Ichabod Rights. I love 634 00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:31,480 the old Dragnet radio program. I also like season one 635 00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:35,400 of the Dragnet TV series. It was a really solid 636 00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:39,599 short season. I guess we're referring to the fifty one series, 637 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,720 but he also mentions you tease us, Adam by only 638 00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:46,240 showing part one. Well, well, I wasn't the one that 639 00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:49,079 decided to make a too, make it a two parter. 640 00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:53,200 That one's on Jack flip Over on YouTube. Some comments 641 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,279 regarding the Big Sorrow Kathy Wrights a touching tribute, and 642 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,680 James says, long live rom Arrow. Well, now it is 643 00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:05,440 time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day. Thank 644 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:11,200 you to Blaine, Patreon supporter since January twenty seventeen, currently 645 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:16,160 supporting the podcast at the rookie level of two dollars 646 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,000 or more per month. Thank you for your support, Blaine, 647 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:21,880 And that will do it for today. If you're enjoying 648 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,480 the podcast, please follow us using your favorite podcast software 649 00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:29,720 and be sure to rate and review the podcast wherever 650 00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:33,440 you download it from. We'll be back in two weeks 651 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,839 with another episode of drag Net as we will take 652 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,319 a recording break next week, but join us back here 653 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,960 tomorrow for yours truly, Johnny Dollarware. 654 00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:48,279 Speaker 16: Mister Bugstein and his party were just cruising. They would 655 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:48,839 just take a knife. 656 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 15: Year Walston is the owner of the us HB. 657 00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 17: Bullston always a big stock booker. He lives in Beverly Hills, Roxbury. 658 00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:01,400 And what's the name of his job zero, It is 659 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,640 a tremendous job. 660 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 15: It's trumb met over one hundred feet from steamster wow 661 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,240 and feet long, Arthur, where does he keep it? 662 00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 12: Now? 663 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,759 Speaker 6: We're just all what his. 664 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,279 Speaker 15: Dark down there in Barbo? 665 00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 6: Oh? You know Balbo? 666 00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 16: Yes, Yes, one of the nicest places by the ocean 667 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,119 in all of California. 668 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 15: Y Johnny, if I ever worked retire? Were the guests 669 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:24,119 on board, well let me see his wife of course, 670 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:27,559 and mister and missus Gerald Hooper and young Richard Spider 671 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,960 and Lee Woolway just cruising around, Yes, but they'd planned 672 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,799 to say, line up to San Francisco for that big 673 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,400 charity ball up there on the thirty off. 674 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,319 Speaker 16: That's why they all had their finest clothes, the most 675 00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:43,960 expensive jewelry with him. Three hundred and ninety four thousand 676 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,400 dollars worth of jewelry stolen, plus a few other things too, 677 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,079 mostly silverware. Things like that Actually was reported to me 678 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,640 by one of the guests on the yachts. 679 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,519 Speaker 15: These these pirates simply pulled alongside in the middle of 680 00:32:57,559 --> 00:32:59,240 the night, held them at gunpoint, took the. 681 00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:59,839 Speaker 6: Stuff and left. 682 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:00,519 Speaker 16: Jack, I got it. 683 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 15: There were two of them. 684 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 3: My, they must have been a horror. 685 00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:05,839 Speaker 15: Tell us just where off the coast of Mexico did 686 00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:06,279 this happen? 687 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,079 Speaker 16: Well, I'm not quite sure. Mister Baltiston Mozilla, well he 688 00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:12,559 was kind of vague about where it happened. 689 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 6: He's kind of vague. 690 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 7: Maybe I better talk to him. 691 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime, 692 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,440 send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net. 693 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,440 Follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and follow us 694 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:35,160 on Instagram, Instagram, dot com slash Great Detectives from Boise Idahome. 695 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,559 This is your host, Adam Graham signing off.