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Speaker 1: Here's your hosts, Jesse Severe and Victor Nuno.

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Speaker 2: Fantasy Hockey Live back once again. Jesse Severe Fan Tracks.

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That is Victor new Yo of ep Rinkside. Victor, how

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Jesse. It's been a long time since

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you and I have actually been able to record together,

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so it's nice to be back in the co pilot's

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Speaker 1: How you doing, my friend, I'm doing good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. If you were listening People of Earth last week

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to our episode, that was an entirely AI generated intro,

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and I copped to it, I referenced it. But I'm

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telling you we have the technology now. I literally typed

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those words and Victor and I said them, even my

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part was not me recording live. So these things can

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be done people, And I don't know why I keep

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talking about it. From now on, you won't even know

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if this is us on the episode. We could we

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could disappear entirely. People could still keep putting these things

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Speaker 3: Victor, Yeah, and it was really funny because I was

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traveling when you did that, and you said that you

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were going to do it, and I was like, oh,

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hah okay, and then I listened to it and it

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was even funnier than I could have ever imagined.

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Speaker 2: Ah, thank you. We had a good time. Oh shoot,

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the mirth runneth over. And you can experience it yourself

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They can be free. You just set them up and

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they behave themselves, they can stay. So all you need

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up Fantasy Hockeylife at gmail dot com, or hit either

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of us up on x at fanhockey Life at Victor,

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New Yo twelve. And that's where you can just get

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the link, the little link we'll connect you into the Discord.

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But Victor, there are other things of which you wish

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two of which I did that poorly grammatically, Victor. There

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are things you want to talk about, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Very good.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're taking a break. We're going to come

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back and talk some fantasy hockey. Today's episode we are

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going to be doing some more X gamers. Victory has

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been writing like a fiend over there at EP ring

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Side and looking deeply, diving deeply into some players who

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are hitting certain levels in their NHL careers, and today

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we're going to discuss a few of them on the show,

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starting with Jonathan Bergren of the Detroit Red Wings. Victor,

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I will introduce a couple background things on Old Johnny.

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touch on today. Last year he played mostly in the AHL.

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He had a point per game. He was drafted back

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in twenty eighteen. This year he's been in the NHL

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all season, not scoring all that much. He's about to

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pass one hundred career NHL games played, and he skates

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more than thirteen minutes a night, so it's not like

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he doesn't get a chance at all out there, and

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he has minimal bash. But his defense is rated reasonably

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by advanced metrics. But you did the deep die, Victor,

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can you summarize what your perceptions are of Bergran's game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of the local people call him Johnny

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Bergers since his name sounds similar to that, and Bergren

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career there were certainly a lot more questions about his

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defensive game, and I think it was a bit weaker.

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and I don't really think that's a weakness so much

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underlying metrics, which I do have in the article from

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Evolving Hockey in some other places, he's actually quite good defensively,

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not even as some of the metrics show him as average,

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some of them show him as as actually quite good.

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And right now in Evolving Hockey, as expectacles against for

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sixty is actually quite quite good, up in the sixtieth percentile,

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sixty seventy percentile, So that's really good.

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Speaker 1: And there's a really.

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Speaker 3: Cool chart on here from Hockey Viz which I really love,

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which is which Micah Blake mccurty calls a synthetic goal,

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and he blends a lot of different metrics into that,

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even strength, power play shorthanded, all these different aspects that

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are taken into account and show whether all of those

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things together grate this player as positive or negative or neutral.

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And he's actually above average in that synthetic goals metric,

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and I think that says a lot. I think maybe

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one of the issues is that for an offensive winger

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whose defense is pretty average or a little bit above average,

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you'd want maybe a little bit more offense for him,

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and the expected goals in offensive production and creation hasn't

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quite been there. You referenced his opportunity, which I would

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definitely say that is still not ideal for someone that

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you want to get more out of. Yeah, thirteen minutes

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with one on the power play most of that second

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unit time. And I think overall this whole year, the

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Red Wings have been underperforming. I believe they just lost

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to all three California teams, which back in the day

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that used to be a somewhat regular occurrence when they

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were all good, but they are not right now. At

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least the Kings are decent, but the other two or not.

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and I think he's a bit of a victim to that.

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top end producers a little bit easier. And it is

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I think, really important to know that he's an RFA

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this summer, and I think he signed that proved year,

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that proved deal last summer eight hundred and twenty five thousand,

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just above the minimum, and it hasn't really gone super

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well for him. But I don't think that all of

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it is his shot. I think that he's someone who

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Speaker 1: From a change in scenery.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just hard when you grow up in a

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certain system and there's some expectations or potentially hurt feelings,

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missed opportunities. Who knows all of those things. But I

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do think that he can produce. I'm just not sure

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that he's going to have the opportunity in Detroit, and

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a couple of the people I talked to regarding him

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on this article were skeptical of that. What kind of

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points upside he could be. It seems pretty clear he

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could be a bottom six guy, but he has the

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talent to be a middle six or more if he

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has the right opportunity, which I'm just not sure he's

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going to get in Detroit, Jesse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting that SG metric of Michael Blake mccurties

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is showing him with positive offense. As of the time

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we're recording this, he's got three points in eighteen games.

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There's certainly not something that's going to stand out. So

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if indeed there are these really nice underlying metrics, this

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could present a wonderful buying opportunity. I don't see why

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these numbers make him look like he should almost be

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free in a lot of fantasy leagues, So if there's

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underlying value here, it might be the chance to get

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in on that while the dipping is low. He's been

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playing primarily with Marco Casper and vlad Tarashenko this year,

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who are not No, they're not slouches. Tarashenko's not what

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he used to be, certainly, and Casper's also not all

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that established, but at least there's some positives to be said.

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I will say that his two goals came in his

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just his last few games, so he's warming up a

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little bit over a fairly slow start. Mason Black, the

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NHL ranking who we like to engage to find out

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what the masses think comparing different players, put out a

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poll of Isaac Howard versus Jonathan Bergran. And Isaac Howard,

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of course, was the first round pick in twenty twenty

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two by the Tampa Bay Lightning. He's been playing at

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Michigan State at about a point per game pace. As

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we said, Bergran has been in the NHL a bit more,

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but also was about a point per game in the

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AHL last year when he was there and it was

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dead even at last check. Victor Howard and Bergeran is

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a Dane coin flip? Is that how you would rank

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Speaker 3: I think it's a really interesting comparing these two right

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because Bergran has had quite a few NHL games already,

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as you referenced, so he's about the eclipse one hundred

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by the time you're hearing this. He might have done

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that already because they're playing tonight as we're recording this.

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Speaker 1: So he's there.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't mean that he's done or cooked or anything, but

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sometimes that's when you need to make a decision on

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these players. I really like Bergeran. You reference to Bilo.

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that because I think there's a pretty good chance he's

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not a red wing next season, and I think he

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could go to a different team and flourish. But at

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the same time, if it's a relatively shallow league without

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too many prospects, or you need to make a decision

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like a twelve or fourteen team, or he's probably not

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going to be able to return that much on investment,

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But in a thirty two team, I think he's definitely

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worth buying low. On the other hand, Isaac Coward, he

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is someone that we're still waiting for, so we have

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no NHL data on him, and I think that's always

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interesting when you're we talk about the funnel and you're

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farther away from being able to show what you can do.

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And so I would rather have Howard at this point

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because he at least hasn't shown that he has struggled

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to adapt to the NHL, whereas I think you could

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probably say that about Bergeran at least, whether it's his

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fault or whether it's the opportunity he's been geting, and

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whatever the case may be, it hasn't quite gone smoothly.

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For him, and we don't know with Howard and with

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the Lightning. We've seen a couple guys Geeky is fitting

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in Okay, We've seen Hagel come in and fit into

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that group. Holo he was a little bit more established.

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But we've seen some players get good opportunity and produce,

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and I think that Howard could do that. He's in

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his third season of college right now. Last season he

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was a point per game at Michigan State after transferring

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from University of Minnesota Duluth, which was seemed like a

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good idea for him, and this season he's over a

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point per game at Michigan State. I think that he's

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someone that I would rather have. The trend is more

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upward for him, and I think that his opportunity, which

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is what Bergran really needs, is already there with Tampa,

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though you never know, he could get traded. If he

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gets traded to Carolina or something, then he'll be like

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the twelfth best prospect on that pool. Probably not but exaggerating.

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just he's not as far down the funnel and there's

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still some pretty significant upside there. In fact, I think

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the upside is even still higher with Howard, so I

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would take him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's four years younger, and at this point Berger

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in his twenty four presumably there is not a through

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the roof type outcome coming for this guy. He's already

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got one hundred games, and we probably have a sense

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that he could kick it up to another level. I

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was looking, I'm throwing this off the dome here, Victor,

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trying to figure out the type of fantasy player that

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you see. Because the one thing is, like I said,

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right now, at thirteen minutes a game, he's getting about it.

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He's got about a shot in half for his career,

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but well under about half a hit a little over

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half a block in that timeframe. So he's not going

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to stack up your peripheral stats, even though he's got

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some kind of defensive reputation. I look at the guy

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who jumped into my mind as having kind of the

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slow start to his career. Is maybe the best case

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scenario was Frank Vitronto except that Buttronto has got bashed

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like crazy. But in terms of that scoring profile, partial

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seasons with under half point per game for a few

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years and then finally I don't know seven years into

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his career, eight years into his career, he turned it

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on and had that career year last year in Anaheim.

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That's to me like that would be the that would

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be almost a miraculous outcome for Bergrand. He hangs around

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a long time and then he has one or two

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big years where he gets over half a point per

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game from I just am I hallucinating Victor. What do

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you think? What kind of fantasy player is this guy

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going to be? I guess is the point.

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Speaker 3: I think he's actually a really creative and smart player.

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His IQ is really there. He can make a lot

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of plays. I think one of the problems that Detroit

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has in general is they have a lot of guys

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like him, some that are even a little bit better,

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Like I think he's actually like a just slightly worse

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version of Lucas Raymond to some extent, I think Raymond

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has a better shot, but they have a few guys

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that can do that. What they don't have is some

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really elite finishers. You don't have the Kawfield or an

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Ovechkin or a Koutrov or guys like the Chris Kreider

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that can really hammer those chances home. And I think

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that's hurting everyone, and they have a little bit too

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much of duplication of a similar product, and so I

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think that's another reason him going somewhere else could really

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be good for everyone. And I do think that he

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might be the kind of guy that just fledges around

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for a little bit until he gets more of an opportunity,

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and then maybe he could spike up a little bit.

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But I still don't think his spike is going to

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be too high. Maybe he hit seventy points one day,

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but I doubt it. I think he's probably more of

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a fifty to sixty point guy unless he gets the

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perfect opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty to sixty not a ton of bash that

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that seems seems that's especially in a thirty two team

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league like you're talking about that that's very much worthwhile,

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but probably not a guy who you are anticipating is

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going to blow up your team and leads you to

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a championship. He's part of this complete breakfast. He's not

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that he of the centerpiecet. Next, let's talk about Joshuah

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Dog Gone a victory. He'd better be Wah, don't tell

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me this is another roy because he's from Quebec. This

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is a wah as far as I'm concerned. He's a

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defensive forward who came from the queue. What kind of

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world am I living? This place is upside down, topsy turvy,

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cats and dogs living together. You pulled a great pro

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wowie chart in your article. Basically every player he plays

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with in the NHL he was better without them than

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they were without him, both in offense and defense. He

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came out higher than them in terms of the Montreal

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Canadiens who was with last year. That's good. He already

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shows that he's got some positive characteristics that he's shown

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in the pros. He had nine points in twenty three

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games last season, with quite nice bash in that time.

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But he's back in Laval where he is up to

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a point per game. Earlier this month, he notched a

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hat trick against Brandon Boozy of the Providence Bruins, so

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he's got that going for him. Victor Joshua of the

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Montreal Canadians, right winger, if I didn't mention former fifth

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round pick in twenty twenty one, what is your perception

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of this guy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think very few players have had the sort of

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meteoric rise that he has had from a fifth round pick.

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I think that it's been really it's been really fun

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to watch because he was so drafted so late, and

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a big part of that is because of his foot speed.

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Speaker 1: That's a big issue.

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Speaker 3: In fact, if you look at the tracking data all

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along in Mitch Brown's data set, his transition game has

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been pretty rough downright awful in a lot of sense.

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But as you mentioned, pretty good. He's a smart player,

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a good hockey iq offensively and defensively, knows who where

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to be in the right spots, can generate turnovers, can

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pick the puck off players. It's just the movement part

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that's been really tough. And I mentioned in the article

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this whole idea that he was a stealer or like

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an up and comer that wasn't really well thought of,

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only really started after his NHL draft because he was

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drafted first overall into the queue back in twenty nineteen.

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He actually had some massive pedigree and then he kind

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of kind of rolled back a little bit with his

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time in the queue, even though he had some pretty

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good production, but there was some concerns with the footspeed

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as noted, and some of the transition games, so that

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kind of turned a lot of scouts off. But I

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think this is one of those cases where when you're

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just so smart and you know where everyone's going to

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be and where you need to be, even if you're

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not so quick, it does. None of that really matters

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with Joshua. He's just and when you watch some of

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the like the World Junior Games that he was in,

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he was such a big factor. And it's because he

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knows how to play with best players in the world.

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He knows how to open up seams, he knows how

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to pass into space, he knows how to generate offense

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in really tight situations where teams are trying to lock

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you down.

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Speaker 1: He's really good at all of that.

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Speaker 3: And Yeah, that while we chart absolutely blew me away

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when I looked at that, because I just couldn't believe

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that he was like literally one of the best forwards

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on that team, or at least making that all the

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other players were worse without him, which was hard to believe.

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In his rampam chart from Evolving Hockey looked great in

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all situations. I think one of the other surprising things too.

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And talking with Ryan Schporr, who had on this show

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and had calakesh there was a maybe he had such

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a pretty decent showing last year, and I think maybe

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there was some expectation that he was going to walk

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into camp and be guaranteed a job in the NHL,

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and he really did not perform well in camp, which

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is why he's win with Laval right now. Although I

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think he deserves a shot in the NHL. The Canadians

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are also having a little bit of a rough time

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right now, but he's thirteen points in fifteen AHL Games.

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He definitely looks like he's ready for a promotion. But

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dominating down there is never really a bad thing. And

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I think the vibes are a little bit better in

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the ball right now than they are for the Canadian

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so maybe it's not a bad thing to keep him there.

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But yeah, josh Wah is just a guy who just

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continues to prove everyone wrong and any doubters that he

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had just have to keep it. And Crow and I

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definitely have been at points skeptical of his ability to produce,

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and it just none of the things about his ability

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to get around the ice have limited him in ways

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that a lot of us thought it would. So he's

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a great player for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Joshua we have the NHL ranking. Mason Black given

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us a poll josh on josh violence with Joshua Wah

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versus josh Done of the Utah Hockey Club who was

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about a year older was drafted the same year in

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about three rounds sooner and Joshua whoops up on josh

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Done sixty six to thirty four victor. Is that how

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you rank them?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so.

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Speaker 3: I think for points upside, it's no question you want Joshua.

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He's going to get more offensive opportunities. He's someone who

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should definitely be on a top power play in the NHL.

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I think he's a very creative player who kind of

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demands that role, so to speak. And I'm not sure

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that's true for josh Done, although he's someone that I've

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also written about and he is more than a sum

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of his parts as well. But yeah, I think I

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think that you definitely want Joshuah for the scoring.

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Speaker 1: But for the priffs.

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Speaker 3: It's actually interesting because you would think that josh Don,

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who's build is more of a physical guy, it would

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have more in the way of some priffs for that,

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and he's pretty decent in his bash. His hits are

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actually a little bit better than Was. But Wah has

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a ton of blocks and he's a really big shooter,

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and neither of those are true for Josh Don. Although

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Doan does shoot a fair amount, Was shoots even more so.

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I think even in a Bangers league, I'd still want

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Wah because the scoring is better and the priffs would

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be similar, if not slightly better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the voting on this one was bang on.

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Even if there is a big Habs bias there, I'm

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not sure if there is, but there often is.

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Speaker 2: It seems like, yeah, all those Canadians fans and how

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they react on social media, we've got a good one here.

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The pro team is not necessarily cooking it this year,

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but yeah, it's certainly looking forward to seeing the fully

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formed and operational version.

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Speaker 1: Of Josh Wah.

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Speaker 2: What kind of fantasy player could this guy be at

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his peak, Victor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question.

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Speaker 3: I think that he's someone who I would expect to

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be like a seventy ish point player. I think that

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he can. I think that he can reach those highs.

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I think that depending on how well the power play

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is cooking and how entrenched he is on that unit,

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maybe he is a little bit lower than that, maybe

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it's fifty to sixty. I certainly think the upside for

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seventy is there. I don't know that he touches point

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per game, but if the whole team comes around and

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they start scoring like gangbusters, then I think maybe he

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can get there on outlier seasons. But yeah, I would

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say probably in that sixty to seventy point range. I

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really think that that Wah is going to be one

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of those staple first or second line players. He certainly

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has the talent to play with top liners. I don't

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know that he himself is a no doubt top liner.

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It's one of those guys. In some ways, he reminds

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me of Tyler to Foley, right, just a guy who's

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he's never really like to fully fut Speed is also

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an issue, but the guy is just so smart and

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he knows how to score. You watch him play and

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he just he makes these subtle moves to the open spot,

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like right before he gets his shot off or right

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before the player thinks he's got him, and then he

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just slips away. And was a lot like that, except

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less of a goal scorer and more of a playmaker

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to some extent, but he can finish as well, and

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so I think he's probably.

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Speaker 1: Got that kind of upside.

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Speaker 3: And if you look Ato Foley's season production, it isn't

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always it isn't always so great, but he certainly can

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touch those highs.

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Speaker 1: Depends on the context.

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Speaker 3: Right, he had the sixty nine seventy three point season,

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but mostly he was in the fifties and he was

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on those low scoring Kings teams for a while. I

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think if he was on some higher scoring teams during

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that during his prime, I think he probably could have

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touched sixty five seventy a little bit more often.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe one of those situations where Joshua is a

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first line winger for your team probably doesn't mean you're

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taking home the Stanley Cup this year, but on some

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teams he can hold down that role for you. Yeah, Victor,

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this is good stuff. Those were a couple of forwards.

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We're going to take a break. We're going to talk

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about a couple of the defensemen you've had in mind.

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Speaker 3: Christian Ashakah, you did an apologie, wasn't really familiar with

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your game, and you know how casual.

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Speaker 2: We're back and we're flipping to the blue line and

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starting now with Kevin Korchinski of the Chicago Blackhawks. Korchinsky's

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stock with scorching after the surprise shift right from WHL

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dominance to the NHL last season. His nineteen year old

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00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,400
season in the NHL was not sparkling, but keep in mind,

481
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,599
the Hawks had to choose whether to either give him

482
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,039
the trial by fire on a completely hapless NHL team

483
00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:58,240
where there was plenty of opportunity. There's plenty of minutes

484
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,240
to go around, so he could get that opportunity or

485
00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:03,680
go for a fourth level or a fourth year at

486
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,160
a level that he'd already been crushing in the WHL.

487
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,599
Maybe not a whole lot left to prove because he

488
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,279
couldn't go to the AHL because of the age rules

489
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,440
that eliminated Rockford from the equation. Now after a year

490
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,119
in the NHL, now he can go to Rockford because

491
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,720
he's old enough and he is playing down there this year.

492
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,720
After three points in his first nine games, he has

493
00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:28,759
put up four in his last four, so he seems

494
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:31,559
to be heating up just a little bit. Small samples, so,

495
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,799
Kevin Korchinski, after being the surprise top ten pick in

496
00:24:35,839 --> 00:24:38,359
the draft, had some ups and downs. At this point

497
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,839
seems like this was the plan by the Blackhawks. Anyway,

498
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:46,440
maybe last year's suppressed performance will lead to a buying opportunity.

499
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,559
Unsure Victor guide us through the morass, the maze, the

500
00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:53,279
puzzle that is Kevin Korchinski.

501
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 3: I'll do my best. I think, in short, I probably

502
00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:00,200
would be buying on this player right now. And I

503
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,440
agree with you as you were alluding to. I think

504
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,880
that the Blackhawks wanted to have control over his development

505
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,599
and the only way to do that was to bring

506
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,279
him up last year and throw him to the Wolves.

507
00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:15,680
That's essentially what happened to him, because he it was

508
00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:18,599
really rough. He if you look at there's a there's

509
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:23,039
a there's a couple of charts in the article, and

510
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,559
he was quite literally I'm not sure that there was

511
00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:29,680
anyone worse defensively than Kevin Koorchyinsky by some of these metrics,

512
00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:33,319
by at Evolving Hockey. He was in the birth the

513
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:38,000
one percentile. It was really bad, and I think a

514
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:40,359
lot of that was the team and you're just struggling

515
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,720
to keep your head above water. But also I think

516
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:44,960
that it is a bit emblematic that is something that

517
00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:47,319
was never really his strong suit. When you look at

518
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,160
the tracking data from Mitch Brown, Kortchinsky all along was

519
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,279
really not great, and I think a lot of these

520
00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:56,119
deficiencies were masked by he played on just one of

521
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,119
the most stacked WHL teams. I can remember seeing that

522
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,000
Seattle Thunderbird team that twenty one, twenty two, twenty two,

523
00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:06,119
twenty three was just insane, and they were even pretty

524
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,680
good in his Draft minus one season, although those deficiencies

525
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,319
showed a little bit more because it wasn't quite a

526
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:13,880
stacked and I think they also just wanted him to

527
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,160
go do his offensive thing and not worry so much

528
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,240
about that because they were so good defensively.

529
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: But that was really a.

530
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,519
Speaker 3: Problem for him. And you had a great interview last

531
00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:26,920
week with Corey Schneider of all three zones, and I

532
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:29,200
put one of his charts in here, and it's really

533
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,119
interesting looking at his charts because you can see some

534
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,839
of the things he did really well even in the NHL,

535
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,880
despite all those metrics being so poor, Like he was

536
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,039
really good at being able to deny entry to a

537
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,480
lot of players, showing some of that range and some

538
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:46,839
of that mobility. Some of the exits per sixty were fantastic.

539
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,960
Some of the defensive zone touches, some of the controlled entries.

540
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,880
Some of the things were just elite despite a lot

541
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,200
of them being bad or poor, And as he mentioned

542
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,799
on that show, some of those things you just had

543
00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:00,279
to take into context and realize, Yeah, there was just

544
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,160
chaos going on around him. So I think you take

545
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,839
some of that good with the bad, and I think

546
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,920
you have to realize that wheneveryone comes along, he's gonna

547
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,000
be He's going to be great. And I've watched a

548
00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:12,559
couple of his game highlights on in the AHL and

549
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:15,519
he his confidence is back. He's trying lots of things.

550
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,079
He's got excellent mobility and offense, and I think that's

551
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,160
gonna come along. But we I think it doesn't really

552
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,960
make sense for them to bring him up right now

553
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,359
when the team is clearly not taking the step that

554
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,880
they thought that they could this year. And who knows,

555
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,720
maybe there'll be a coaching change, maybe some of the

556
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,680
other guys will come along. We'll have to wait and see,

557
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,000
but I think it's pretty telling that they want him

558
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,480
down there, and they have a couple of the other

559
00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:41,519
guys on the NHL squad that they're clearly not as

560
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:44,559
worried about spoiling or having an issue in terms of

561
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:46,240
I guess what I meant. What I'm saying is that

562
00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:49,640
they're not as invested as they are with Korchinski, and

563
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,440
they don't want him to develop poorly or learn bad

564
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,160
habits or anything. And a guy like Waya Kaiser, who's

565
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:57,880
someone else who is playing a lot right now, and

566
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,000
I think that he could be a fine depth defense

567
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,240
but I don't think I think correctly the Hawks aren't

568
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:05,599
as worried about what happens to him because I don't

569
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:07,720
think they see him as a future top pairing guy.

570
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:09,880
Whereas Korchinsky, you want to protect that. You want to

571
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,240
give him those top minutes in the HL without losing confidence,

572
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:16,359
without struggling, losing night to night. It becomes a thing.

573
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,000
You know, you start losing and then you get used

574
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:19,400
to it, and I don't think you ever really get

575
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,000
okay with it. But he gets complacent about it, and

576
00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:23,680
they don't want that to happen to him. Yeah, I

577
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,720
definitely think this is a Bilo window. Some people could

578
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,079
look at it and say, oh, he did terrible in

579
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,240
his first NHL season and then they went back to

580
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:32,960
the AHL and he's been stuck there ever, since get

581
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:35,079
rid of this guy, that could be the perception, and

582
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,119
I think that would be a mistake because even though

583
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,240
I'm not sure that he's the for sure top offensive

584
00:28:40,279 --> 00:28:44,680
defenseman in Chicago now, especially after they drafted ar Tumlupshunov,

585
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,240
who seems to be much more dynamic and have a

586
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,440
lot more of that skill, I certainly think it could

587
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,559
end up being like a Minshakoff in Zelweger's situation in

588
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,200
Chicago or in LA And I think that either one

589
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,240
of those guys could get the opportunity. It could go

590
00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:01,920
back and forth, and either way, I think Kortzensky's going

591
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,640
to get a ton of offensive minutes an opportunity, and

592
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,160
if the rebuild does finally work out, eventually there should

593
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,240
be some offensive talent on this team to score goals

594
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,240
even if it's at even strength. So I'm buying Kortynsky,

595
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:14,279
if I can, Jesse.

596
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:20,079
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure. Yes, the Blackhawks went all in to

597
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:23,000
get this guy, and they certainly are going to be

598
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,519
doing everything they can to develop him to ultimate success.

599
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,759
Mason Black the NHL ranking put out the word that

600
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,359
we want to know who was better of Kevin Korchinsky

601
00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:37,400
or Shimon Nimisch of the New Jersey Devils, who's also

602
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,359
been taking his lumps up in the NHL. Of course,

603
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:44,359
Nemisch was drafted number two overall in the draft, where

604
00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:49,119
Korchinsky went number seven. What a defenseman draft that was.

605
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,319
And Nemech is out ahead of Korzhinsky right now. As

606
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:54,880
we said, Korchinsky's value maybe at a little bit of

607
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,160
a low EBB with the lack of performance that he

608
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,799
had in the NHL last year. Fifteen points in seventy

609
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:06,359
six games, and so Simonemach comes out ahead fifty five

610
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,359
to forty five victor. Is that how you would rank

611
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:09,720
these two?

612
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people know that I'm a

613
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,000
big skeptical of Simonemach, which is really funny because early

614
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:18,359
on this season he got a couple of goals and

615
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,160
people were not shy to message me and tell me

616
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,519
how wrong I was about doubting semo Imach, which I

617
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:27,279
always find funny, and I'm like, okay, let's check back

618
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:29,400
in a little bit. Right He had that one assist

619
00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:34,319
right away, and man, he has one point nine games now,

620
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:38,119
So yeah, I think that that some of the I

621
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:41,000
think what this shows me and what I've always thought

622
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,160
is that his offensive generation I think is a bit exaggerated,

623
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:48,319
and I think he's an excellent semon image is going

624
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,920
to be a good defenseman, But I'm not sure he's

625
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,880
going to produce a lot of points. He's someone who

626
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,839
could get a lot of minutes and not necessarily score

627
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,759
a lot. He reminds me actually a little bit of Devontave's,

628
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,039
who's just so good, really good transition player, really good

629
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:04,839
to have on your team, really makes your team better.

630
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,039
But is he a great fantasy asset. He certainly is

631
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:10,720
now like valuable, But if you drafted and held him

632
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,200
that whole time, you were frustrated for a lot of

633
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,279
that time and might have dropped him or traded him.

634
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,920
And that might be the case with Nemich. It depends

635
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,319
on the depth of the league. If you're in a

636
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,359
really deep league, you're probably fine drafting and holding him,

637
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,519
But if you're in like a twelve or fourteen team league,

638
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,920
I don't know, you might get a little frustrated having

639
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,119
him on your roster and not scoring a whole lot,

640
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,960
but helping his team a lot and getting a lot

641
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,000
of minutes. So maybe the priffs come up enough. But

642
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:37,680
he really isn't someone who's ever done that very much

643
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,240
at all at any level. With enough minutes, he might

644
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:44,839
get there his bash and armat what we've in the

645
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,920
Fantasy Hockic Life player card that you can see he's

646
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,359
rated at forty percentile, so he's not ever going to

647
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,799
do that a lot. But if he plays enough minutes,

648
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:55,319
he could get the average. But then is that really

649
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,759
what you want to invest a top asset in. So

650
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,400
I think Kortynski he's going to get some pretty big

651
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,680
minutes eventually when he comes back up, and I have

652
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,920
a little bit more faith in his offensive creation, partially

653
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:09,119
because he's not.

654
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: As good defensively as Nemtch is.

655
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,839
Speaker 3: So I think Nemech is going to be able to

656
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,519
fill that role a little bit better and the team

657
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,599
will be happy having him on the ice, pairing him

658
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,359
with a more offensive guy or potentially driving his own pair,

659
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,519
whereas Kortyinski, he's going to give you a little bit

660
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:25,240
more offense and he's going to demand a little bit

661
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,079
more of that opportunity. I still don't know if it's

662
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:29,640
him or elektchenoff long term. I probably would leave lean

663
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,799
lichtienoff at this point, but it remains to be seen

664
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,519
which one is going to be a little bit more valuable.

665
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:41,079
Speaker 2: Certainly Livschunoff as he was drafted, I think even he

666
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,720
was drafted higher than Korzchyinsky, right. Korchiski, by the way,

667
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:47,079
was the return for Alex to brink It effectively the

668
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,039
draft pick that they used to trade, all right, they

669
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:53,039
got back with the to brink It deal was what

670
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:57,599
got them Korczyinsky. But yeah, we've got two defenseman matriculating

671
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,640
the system. We know Simonemach, I think we know Simonemach

672
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:04,160
is never going to be the most offensively talented player

673
00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:07,359
on the New Jersey Devils so long as Luke Hughes

674
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:11,599
roams the earth. But Kevin Korchynski and Lepschhinov they could

675
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,920
battle it out for a little while. Koorchinsky feels to

676
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,640
me like either he's going to be able to take

677
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,240
that kind of a rule or he's just going to

678
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:21,039
drop off the face of the earth. The floor seems lower.

679
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:24,839
But is that an accurate take on what kind of

680
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,839
fantasy player we could have here, that if Korchinsky can't

681
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,440
get enough defense together, that he's simply going to be

682
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:34,799
completely out of the picture, or what is the fantasy

683
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:36,559
profile we're looking forward to your victor.

684
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that the flora is so low. He's

685
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,680
not going to be like out of the NHL. He

686
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:46,119
would be like he's an NHL defenseman. I think I

687
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:49,240
can't imagine him being anything worse than a third pair

688
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:54,119
guy that's pretty good, you know, in transition, like Eric

689
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,240
Gustafson comes to mind. I think he's better than Eric

690
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,400
Gustafson by a lot, so I don't think he is there.

691
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,400
So maybe he's like a second if he's not on

692
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,160
your top pair, maybe he's your second pairing guy, and

693
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,599
maybe you have to, you know, a number one and

694
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,880
number two defenseman, one on each pair, and maybe he's

695
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,159
on the second pair. Kind of thing. To me, that's

696
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,119
where I think he ends up. He just does so

697
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,079
many things well, and he's got that good size and

698
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:20,440
mobility that even if the offense doesn't fully translate, he's

699
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,000
still going to be good enough to drive that line.

700
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: And I think that he may be.

701
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 3: Frustrating in the sense that he's not scoring a ton

702
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,840
of points, but I think a thirty to forty point

703
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,239
floor with pretty decent priffs is someone that you're looking

704
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,199
at So in the right context, in a deep enough league,

705
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,199
that's really interesting. In a shallow league that's not interesting

706
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,800
at all. So it really depends on or maybe not

707
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,880
that interesting. So it depends on your league and what

708
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,960
you're expecting from him. I think if you drafted him

709
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,280
expecting him to be like a sixty plus point guy

710
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,760
with tons of bash, yeah, that's where I would agree

711
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,760
with you and say, I'm not sure that's going to happen.

712
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,039
I'd be a little bit worried about that. But if

713
00:34:57,079 --> 00:35:00,320
the cost of acquisition is so low, then I would

714
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,119
take a flyer and hope that he gets close to that.

715
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe fifty Is that what I should be kid?

716
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:09,559
Do I hear fifty? Victor? Do I hear fifty one?

717
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:13,920
I need an auctioneer fifty point pace? Yeah? Yeah, As

718
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,719
what you're hoping to see out of this guy at his.

719
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: Peak, I think he can. I think he can get

720
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,239
to sixty if it all comes down to that power play, right,

721
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,559
if he's if the Hawks I see, I think it

722
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:28,559
really depends on what the team does, because this team,

723
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:31,000
I think has really struggled to emerge from this rebuild,

724
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:34,039
and they might get mired in this for many years

725
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,480
to come, like the Ducks have struggled to emerge, and

726
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:39,840
so if they continue to be like that, then he

727
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,079
might not score more than thirty to forty points. But

728
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:44,679
if they do emerge and they become a high scoring

729
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,920
team and he's running the power play or at least

730
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,480
maybe try to trading off with lipsoonof But if he's

731
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:53,320
running the top power play and the team is scoring,

732
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,880
I think he can easily hit sixty plus. If the

733
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,079
team doesn't score as much, or if he's splitting the

734
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:01,039
power play or on power play two, then yeah, maybe

735
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:04,079
he hits fifty. So Unfortunately, I think in this situation,

736
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:06,159
I'm not sure that he's one of these guys that's

737
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:08,480
so good he's gonna make it happen. I think a

738
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,760
lot of it depends on what happens around him.

739
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,639
Speaker 2: All Right, it makes sense. And the fourth and final

740
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:18,039
player we're going to discuss today again another defenseman, Olin

741
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:21,519
Zelweger of the Anaheim Ducks. This has traditionally been a

742
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:25,519
Zelwegger positive podcast. There were good times for him and

743
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:28,079
we loved him for every minute of it. He has

744
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:32,440
now passed forty career NHL games. Jamie Drysdale is out

745
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,719
of the way that was originally supposed to be the competition.

746
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:38,639
But olin Zelweger under half a point per game. But

747
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,280
he's hanging in there. His advanced stats are actually above

748
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,559
average for his team, which is not a well performing team.

749
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:49,360
He has been the defenseman on powerplay one. It's been

750
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,800
a bad power play, but he has got the most

751
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,400
minutes of any defenseman on the Ducks at the power play.

752
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,679
He has jumped from video game numbers in the WHL

753
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,440
that really broke out, really caught everybody's a ten at

754
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,719
a different level to the following year near point per

755
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,000
game numbers in the AHL, to then half a point

756
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,920
per game in the NHL. You know, on the succession

757
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,760
of three straight years, he really has put up very

758
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,159
good performances and as a twenty one year old five

759
00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:20,519
to seven defenseman, I gotta like that. But I get

760
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,400
the sense now that there's not the same optimism that

761
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,719
he's going to take a leap to a top fifteen

762
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,800
type fantasy d man, which is what I felt like

763
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,519
we were saying in his late WHL days. Victor, what

764
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:37,079
do you make of olin Zelweger today and what's your

765
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:37,840
perceptions there?

766
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,519
Speaker 3: Such a roller coaster, right I think that's the biggest

767
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:44,000
thing said. It has been a massive roller coaster from

768
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:46,800
he didn't get drafted in the first round because of

769
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,559
his size, and then he's tearing up the WHL and

770
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:54,719
leading Team Canada to gold medals and Okay, this guy's amazing.

771
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,440
And then oh, but he's still too small. I'm not

772
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,880
sure he can do it in the HL, in the NHL,

773
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,480
or even in the HL. And then he does produce

774
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:07,280
solidly in the AHL, and it's okay, maybe again, and

775
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,920
then some of his NHL time is underwhelming. And then

776
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,199
you're up and down between Yah Drysdale and then Minchikov

777
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,480
like Scorches passed him for the opportunity and it's whoa.

778
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:20,320
And then Minchikov has slowed down and regressed a little bit.

779
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,760
The whole defenceman and offensive defenseman prospect pool there in

780
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,960
Anaheim has been really up and down and confusing. So

781
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,840
I think that's one of the biggest things that's been

782
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,079
difficult to parse out. But I think one thing that's

783
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:38,280
been true about Zellwegger that all those other things are irrelevant,

784
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,719
is that he's pretty much produced everywhere he's been, with

785
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,559
the exception of those first twenty six NHL games where

786
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:47,000
the whole team was not doing great, but he still

787
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,800
had nine points in twenty six games in a very

788
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,519
limited role. And then he went to the HL and

789
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:52,440
absolutely killed it and killed it at the World A

790
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:54,960
World Cup with or did well with the World Cup

791
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,079
with Canada and was really impressive there. And yeah, so

792
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:00,760
far this season, it's been really interesting to me to

793
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,599
see Minchikov round out his game and to some extent

794
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:08,800
struggle a little bit. And zel Weger has been given

795
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,440
that opportunity to run the power play and done it

796
00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:13,760
quite well. I do think he's the more natural fit

797
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,119
there because he is more of an offensive defenseman, and

798
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:18,480
I think ze I think Minchikov is more of an

799
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,679
all around defenseman. I think Minchikov is your prototypical number

800
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,639
one defenseman who can play in any situation.

801
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: He's got more size and physicality.

802
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,679
Speaker 3: And I think he can handle some of those all

803
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,480
around minutes a little bit better. But I'm not sure

804
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,840
that he's so offensive. Although on the other hand, when

805
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,599
you look at his data at Evolving Hockey, Minchikov has

806
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,119
incredible expected goals four for sixty and has just the

807
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:47,840
team around him has not converted hardly anything when he's

808
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,440
been on the ice, and Zellweger has been the opposite.

809
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:52,880
Zel Wegger hasn't generated that much and the team has

810
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,320
overperformed their conversion when he's on the ice. So the

811
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,920
whole picture might still be a little bit misleading because

812
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,079
it sure seems like ze is punching back and sliding

813
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:04,119
back into that top top role now.

814
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: But we'll just have to see.

815
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: There's also Tristan Lenau who is in the mix as

816
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,480
someone who may be coming around behind him, and then

817
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,119
there's some other guys like Jackson Lacombe, who I think

818
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:16,320
is just more of a stay at home kind of guy.

819
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: And then with the idea.

820
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 3: With Cam Fowler, maybe moving on, this whole thing might

821
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,000
even get turned around even more because if he leaves,

822
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,400
there'll be more opportunities. It's all kind of confusing, but

823
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,800
I really believe in Zellweger.

824
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: I always have.

825
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:31,119
Speaker 3: I just didn't know how much he could pull his

826
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:32,840
own weight at even strength. Some of the people I

827
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,320
talk to about Zellweger, though, really feel like the floor

828
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,079
for him is that of a top four defenceman. The floor,

829
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:40,639
and I think that there's even the potential that he

830
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,760
certainly could be their their top defenceman, or maybe if

831
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,599
he's paired with a more stay at home guy like

832
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:48,920
a Quinn Hughes who really is great on his own,

833
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,920
fantastic on his own, but is even more unleashed with

834
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:55,039
playing with someone like Philip Pronik right or back in

835
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:57,960
the day that I think about Brent Burns and how

836
00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:00,719
he was unleashed by playing with palm and a really

837
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,199
stay at home defenceman. So maybe they just need to

838
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,000
find that for Zellweger and he'll be even better. Whereas Minchikov,

839
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,400
I don't think he needs that, he doesn't need a

840
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,920
really solid partner. I think he's going to be fine

841
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,159
on his own, but he may not get those offensive minutes.

842
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:16,679
I was a little troubled though, by looking at the

843
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,119
synthetic goals, which we referenced earlier with Zelweger. His data

844
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:23,239
from last year was pretty awful. He was a minus

845
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,760
four point six synthetic goal taking an account all his situations.

846
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,079
But again, he was twenty one and he was not

847
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:33,679
given the best opportunity and it really was rough for him.

848
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:36,920
But this season it's been much much better. So yeah,

849
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,079
I definitely am a big fan of Zellweger, and it's

850
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:42,079
starting to look more and more like he is going

851
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:45,760
to be the offensive defenseman quarterback for that power play

852
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,559
that should, in theory be really good one day in

853
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:50,039
Anaheim again, Jesse.

854
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be tremendous. So Mason Black put it

855
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,679
out there, David, you to check, You to check? Victor.

856
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm a check.

857
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 2: Everybody's a check. David Erachek versus Olin Zelweger. The poll

858
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,239
has been put out, the people have answered, and Olin

859
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:13,719
Zelweger krushus the competition. David Eurachek was drafted almost thirty

860
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,920
picks earlier than him in the following year, eighty two

861
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:23,320
twenty percent. Olin Zelweger over David Echek. Is that how

862
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,119
you rank these two?

863
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:28,039
Speaker 1: Victor? Yeah, I don't know about that.

864
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 3: I love David Yerchek, as everyone knows, and I also

865
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,440
love Zellweger. But these are two very different defensemen, I

866
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,519
would say. And right now, there we just heard word,

867
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:40,119
and maybe by the time you hear this there'll be

868
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:44,119
something to announce. But it sounds like they might be

869
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:48,159
considering moving year Check to a different team. There's been

870
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:50,639
no secret that he's been frustrated with not playing In fact,

871
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:53,360
there was a really funny thing that he did where

872
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,159
they were asking him about he was asked about the

873
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:58,840
different arenas and he was talking about the press boxes

874
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,000
and the different arena and how he has such intimate

875
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:04,639
knowledge of where the best places are to watch a game,

876
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,920
because that's what he's been doing, is watching and not playing,

877
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,639
and that's been really hard for him. He definitely feels

878
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:12,960
like he should be in there, and yeah, there have

879
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,360
been some issues with him maybe not being the best,

880
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,519
but it definitely feels like he's earned the opportunity to

881
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,480
learn on the job like a lot of the other

882
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:25,280
young players in Columbus are doing, and he's not getting

883
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,000
that opportunity.

884
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: So it's been frustrating.

885
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:29,039
Speaker 3: Just six games this year when he probably should be

886
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,159
should be played eighteen or something like that. And he's

887
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:35,000
been great in the HL since playing there. And he's

888
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:37,280
a bash master, right. That's one of the big deals

889
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,320
with him is that he should have a little bit

890
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,960
more bash than zel Weeger, although Zelweger should have more scoring.

891
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,800
So if you're in a points only league, I think

892
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,599
it's definitely Zelweger. If you're in a league that counts

893
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,679
bash and other criteria, then I think I might stick

894
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,000
to your check, And just on that note, I do

895
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:57,480
think that there's a huge, by low window right now

896
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,519
for David year Check. I think that a lot of

897
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:03,039
people have soured on him, given up hope, and I

898
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,400
would not if you can, or I would try to

899
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,480
buy if you can, because I think that it's very

900
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:11,320
possible he goes another team, instantly gets put in the

901
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,159
lineup and starts putting up big numbers, at least big

902
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:17,199
Bash numbers. But I think for the more offense and

903
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,679
the more security right now, I think I probably would

904
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,159
go with the voters and lean Zellweger. But this is

905
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,400
just mean by Mason, because I like both of these.

906
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:26,679
Speaker 1: Guys a lot.

907
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: I just checked who rosters your check in my leagues,

908
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,880
and it's a bunch of stupid Simon. Simon's got him everywhere.

909
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,639
There's no Waympion forget it. Samo, you got him, you

910
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:39,400
got You're a check. I can't get him from you.

911
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:41,920
I get it, I get it, all right. But this

912
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:45,679
is clearly people being biased against David. You're a Check

913
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,119
for being in Columbus. People are always going to choose

914
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:52,639
the prospects in the big Glory franchises over somebody from Columbus.

915
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,199
Oh wait, Zellwegger's from Anaheim. That doesn't check out anyway, Yeah, Victory,

916
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,119
So how high? What's the top you can see you

917
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,719
for Zelwiger? The cut to the chase here? What are

918
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,599
we going to get out of him?

919
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,159
Speaker 3: I do think he's He's in the same vein as

920
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,559
Quinn Hughes. I think he can be like a sixty

921
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,360
seventy point defenseman, plus depending on how good the team

922
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,519
around him is. If he's got some elite finishers at

923
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:17,320
the top of the lineup, which in theory Anaheim should,

924
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,960
but it isn't really looking like that right now. But yeah,

925
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:21,880
if the team around him can push him up towards

926
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,360
point per game, I think he could hit that.

927
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: Wow.

928
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: All right, let's see what happens with Olin Zoewegger. But

929
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,679
certainly he is a man who should not be out

930
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:34,400
of mind for you, Victor. I think that's going to

931
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,760
do it today. People should definitely be reading your articles

932
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,039
at EP ringside. These are just some of the players

933
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:43,360
who you've looked into deeply. But these analyses are really

934
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,519
cool because you've got charts and grafts in there, but

935
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:48,599
you're also talking to people who are watching the players

936
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,679
very closely, some of the scouts in other smart minds

937
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:54,199
in the industry, and it's just some good stuff. So

938
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,039
I'm glad we're able to share some of this with

939
00:45:56,159 --> 00:45:59,599
the peeps out there today. We'll be right back to

940
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:12,599
close the show. Well, what else can you say to

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all the time. There's a whole FHL team. We shout

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them out as the role here at the end. Crafts

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are Ryan, Simone and Tim All have been on the show.

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I know Simone hasn't. Simone's been on DSL though, and

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constantly is you know, fetted on this show as well.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: They're the commission team for the tidy leagues. It's a

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lot of work going on over there. We're going to

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have more scout reports coming up in a near episode.

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Jeremy v and Tony are our lead scouts and thank

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goodness for them, they're keeping people in line. Brandon is

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the website guru. He's a scout. He helps with prospect ranks,

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visualizations like the Fantasy Hockey Life Polayer cards. If you

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have some skills you'd like to lend the show, hit

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Victor up in the discord, email or on social media.

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We're brought to you by Daber Hockey. Dauber Prospects Victors

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and Editor follow us work there as well as his

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other podcast, Aubert Prospects Report with Peter Harling. Be sure

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to check out Victor's articles at EP Ringside. There's a

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fantasy team there, Cam Robinson, Mike Clifford, and many more,

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including Victor's great work. I do a solo show. It's

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called Dynasty Sports Life. I talk all the different Dynasty

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sports sometimes multiple at the same time. This week you

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can look forward to one on some Dynasty Baseball players,

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and we think is going to be the lookout for

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a couple of you know, guys who've dropped in the

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Stadius had a bad year and a couple of guys

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who had maybe an unsustainable year, just the type of

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dynasty talk one partakes in at this time of year.

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You can follow Victor and myself on x at Fan

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Hockey Life at Victor Nino twelve, or Victor and I

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are both on Blue Sky now because Blue Sky is

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blowing up. It seems a lot of the fantasy content

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people are popping over there. So the one Victor all

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one word with a number in the middle is Victor

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Jesse Severe. All one word is how you can catch

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up with me, and I'm going to be posting shows

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as they come out. Rate review us, Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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wherever else you get your pods, keep up with us,

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and until next time, keep living that fantasy hockey life.