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Speaker 2: And this is a KFI Bill Handle here on a
Speaker 2: Monday morning, August nineteenth. Democratic National Convention starts two day
Speaker 2: Gary and Shannon recovering it.
Speaker 3: They'll be there, a lot going on.
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is going to accept the nomination, which he
Speaker 2: already has. And I'll be Thursday tonight Joe Biden, and
Speaker 2: then the joys of Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and
Speaker 2: Barack Obama and probably Michelle Obama and then the whole panoply.
Speaker 2: And you can tell the hierarchy of whatever political party
Speaker 2: is by the later someone talks. Those who speak at
Speaker 2: one am not too much influence.
Speaker 3: Now we are lonely. Let me tell you about a
Speaker 3: guy named Joe Blake.
Speaker 2: He kicked off his first dating app chat with Missy
Speaker 2: gosby asking what's your face?
Speaker 3: Were at Star Wars Movies episode five?
Speaker 2: She instantly said the Empire strikes back then they were
Speaker 2: spending birthdays watching thirteen hour Star Wars marathons, okay, and
Speaker 2: cooking with Star Wars themed cookbooks. And between the two
Speaker 2: of them they have twelve, count them twelve lightsabers. So
Speaker 2: they got married the music, of course, was some Star
Speaker 2: Wars and they went through you know how in the
Speaker 2: military people, you know, the military guys have their swords
Speaker 2: that the couples walk under put their swords up well
Speaker 2: lightsabers in this time and it happened.
Speaker 3: So, you know what. Here is the question psychologists asked.
Speaker 3: I mean, we are lonely.
Speaker 2: I mean data from Signet shows fifty eight percent of
Speaker 2: Americans are lonely.
Speaker 3: Religion is fading, work doesn't love us back.
Speaker 2: And maybe these crazy obsessives have the answer. They seem
Speaker 2: to be a lot happier, a lot six and ten
Speaker 2: Americans said hobbies or recreational activities are very important to them.
Speaker 2: That's way up in the last fifteen years. Meanwhile, the
Speaker 2: share of people who said the same about religion dropped
Speaker 2: seven percent.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 2: Well, obviously, and this was out of the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2: It's a question that was given to psychologists. And here
Speaker 2: is the answer, or an answer. Picture of crowd swinging
Speaker 2: in unison to a song. Everyone there feels the same
Speaker 2: emotion simultaneously. This is Paul Booth says this, a professor
Speaker 2: at De Paul University, and the euphoria catches and builds.
Speaker 2: That's called collective effervescence. It's almost telepathic. Loneliness is like thirst,
Speaker 2: according to professor of psychology and neuroscience at Brigham Young,
Speaker 2: where social being being biologically wired to crave part of
Speaker 2: being a group. And if that's gone, our mental and
Speaker 2: physical health can suffer, leading to depression, even diabetes, even
Speaker 2: early death. And so what is this about? Why do
Speaker 2: people not do this well? It requires vulnerability, is what
Speaker 2: the medical experts are saying. Fandom asks us to latch
Speaker 2: to ourselves something outside of us, something that we don't
Speaker 2: have control of that becomes part of identities. And how
Speaker 2: much easier it is to stay stay cool and not
Speaker 2: really pay attention. It has to do with, if you
Speaker 2: can imagine this, mental health. So people that go to,
Speaker 2: for example, particularly rock concerts, or one guy in the
Speaker 2: story is a grateful dead of ficionado who still listens
Speaker 2: to the grateful Dead, and he's in his fifties or sixties.
Speaker 2: His kids went nuts because that's all he would listen
Speaker 2: to in the car. So my position has always been
Speaker 2: that frankly, people who don't or who do have this
Speaker 2: fanaticism that they have with other people. Swifties for example,
Speaker 2: I've always thought that they just don't have much of
Speaker 2: a life, and it turns out there is among the
Speaker 2: experts real disagreement about that, that they have more of
Speaker 2: a life. I also want to point out that these
Speaker 2: studies are fake news because there is no chance that
Speaker 2: if you're a swifty you have much of a life.
Speaker 2: No value judgment, mind you. I want to point that out.
Speaker 2: You're happier if you're a swifty or a grateful dead fan,
Speaker 2: or you have a hobby bowllying, for example, if you're
Speaker 2: fanatic about your bowling team, if you're fanatic about the
Speaker 2: Dodgers or the Clippers or the Chargers, and you join
Speaker 2: other fans. I went to one game with the Chargers.
Speaker 2: I'll never do that.
Speaker 3: Again because the fanaticism I just can't take. I can't.
Speaker 2: The only thing that's fun is going to a Dodgers
Speaker 2: San Francisco game or a San Francisco you know football
Speaker 2: team San Francisco VERSUS LA. Then at least you see
Speaker 2: people killing each other in the parking lot. You see,
Speaker 2: that's entertainment. Does that make sense? It's absolutely true. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's been going on for what three weeks? Four weeks now?
Speaker 3: I have no idea. Have you ever seen Shehn Yun?
Speaker 2: You know the show of those Chinese people dancing and
Speaker 2: singing and doing all these incredible acrobatic tricks and splits
Speaker 2: and ballet, and it's incredible.
Speaker 3: Now I have seen people said it's terrible.
Speaker 2: I've seen people have and people I think it's the
Speaker 2: most wonderful thing they've ever seen. Just look at the
Speaker 2: commercials that they buy. And I have never heard that
Speaker 2: it is a propaganda tool for a group, well for
Speaker 2: a cult actually that was created about twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: and it involves mister Master Lee who started a religious
Speaker 2: movement and it came out of China. It was anti
Speaker 2: communist ten thousand protesters in Beijing who were members of
Speaker 2: Falloun Yung.
Speaker 3: Is the name, full O n Gang. Excuse me, Followun
Speaker 3: Gong is the name.
Speaker 2: They tried to get Tim Conway Junior, and they couldn't
Speaker 2: get him to say following Gong. I don't know why
Speaker 2: I said that that made absolutely no sense. Some of
Speaker 2: them work, some of the don't. The point is this
Speaker 2: guy who heads the cult, now he had to leave
Speaker 2: China obviously, so he's an exile if you will, and
Speaker 2: he has an upstate New York compound four hundred acres,
Speaker 2: a full campus, followers by the millions all over the world.
Speaker 2: He's got a giant pagoda, there's a giant Buddha who
Speaker 2: has a face that strangely looks like his face.
Speaker 3: And these Shun Shenyun dancers.
Speaker 2: Live there and they are told that he is effectively God.
Speaker 3: Like any other cult.
Speaker 2: Leader, he says, if you follow what I teach, you
Speaker 2: will be able to levitate yourself.
Speaker 3: I'd love to see that one. Has it happened yet?
Speaker 2: No? And if you complain now he has these kids,
Speaker 2: mainly teenagers, dance, rehearse, move a do show after show
Speaker 2: in a very short period of time.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't pay them because they're religious.
Speaker 2: Because it's all about his view of while he calls
Speaker 2: himself the creator of the universe, which kind of you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. That would fly his believers
Speaker 2: think he is. You know, this is like any other cult.
Speaker 2: It's just they know how to make money, and lots
Speaker 2: and lots of it. It's not just those who are
Speaker 2: part of the cult giving up their money. Jim Jim Jones,
Speaker 2: for example, and you have David Koresh where people.
Speaker 3: Gave the money these guys have.
Speaker 2: Shen Young has eight troops going around the country dancing,
Speaker 2: and people don't know it's a it's a cult, a
Speaker 2: religious cult. Tickets can cost up to three hundred and
Speaker 2: nine dollars. Just to give you an idea that Sheen
Speaker 2: Yun Performing Arts. Now we're not talking about the organization
Speaker 2: Galun Gong or Yallalun Gong. We're just talking about Shen
Speaker 2: Yun Performing Arts, which is owned by the religious group.
Speaker 2: It's a separate corporation and ticket sales on five continents,
Speaker 2: going on constantly, eight troops holdings the more than two
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five million dollars.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've always thought, always thought.
Speaker 2: The answer was to start your own religion and get
Speaker 2: I would love to do that. I would love to Neil,
Speaker 2: we have to start some kind of religion, just you
Speaker 2: have to and just get people to.
Speaker 3: Buy it, like a sex cult. Yeah, and that would work,
Speaker 3: that would work.
Speaker 2: And no, and the priestesses would be along Santa Monica Boulevard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's not gonna work.
Speaker 2: I mean, the point is is that.
Speaker 3: Religions are crazy, and.
Speaker 2: The basic religions, the great religions of the world that
Speaker 2: have been around a long time. Judaism almost four thousand years,
Speaker 2: Christianity over two thousand years, Mormonism the eighteen hundreds, the
Speaker 2: Mooni's one.
Speaker 3: Of the great religions of the world.
Speaker 2: That was in I think the nineteen seventies is when
Speaker 2: that started some of these very old religions that have
Speaker 2: been around for a while. So this one is what
Speaker 2: twenty five years old, millions of followers.
Speaker 3: So next time you go, if.
Speaker 2: You go, I haven't been to one, and I've talked
Speaker 2: to people and they said, yeah, it's great, or know
Speaker 2: what's horrible. What I want to do is buy a ticket,
Speaker 2: sit in my chair, and get me to levitate.
Speaker 3: If they can pull that off. Man, they have a
Speaker 3: fan here that.
Speaker 2: Will continue to tell you how how great this organization is.
Speaker 2: All right, it is time for Do they have a
Speaker 2: case with Wayne hey Bill.
Speaker 4: Yes, there's a part near the border in Arizona they
Speaker 4: call the Seep Seep, and a lot of people smuggle
Speaker 4: drugs through there. Then a lot of people decided they
Speaker 4: would go there and rob those drug smugglers. So Border
Speaker 4: patrol put together a tactical unit to catch the rip
Speaker 4: crews that were going in there to rob the drug smugglers,
Speaker 4: and one night they're out there on an operation, they
Speaker 4: come across some fellas and there's a shootout.
Speaker 1: One of the border patrol agents ends up dead.
Speaker 4: Now they are able to identify a couple of these
Speaker 4: guys even though they got away, because they left some
Speaker 4: stuff behind and they got their DNA off of the stuff,
Speaker 4: so they have an idea of who they're looking for.
Speaker 4: Turns out one of them is arrested in Mexico, and
Speaker 4: Mexico knows that the FEDS are looking for this guy,
Speaker 4: so they arrange an interrogation of this guy.
Speaker 1: Buy the American Feds the.
Speaker 4: FBI in a jail in Mexico, and they go in
Speaker 4: and they say, tell us everything you know, and he says, well, yes,
Speaker 4: I was there.
Speaker 1: Why were you there to drop off food?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we would just go and drop off food. Now
Speaker 4: here's the thing. They are charged with murder and some
Speaker 4: other stuff and hobbes act robbery. This is a federal
Speaker 4: robbery statue to robbery that interferes with commerce. The Feds
Speaker 4: must be able to prove that they were there to
Speaker 4: rob in order to convict them of the murder. If
Speaker 4: they can't prove they were there to commit robbery. They
Speaker 4: cannot get them on anything. So this guy says, if
Speaker 4: I'm dropping off food, they try everything every tactic in
Speaker 4: the book. But then his lawyer, the guy lawyer, a
Speaker 4: Mexican lawyer, says to him, listen, you can't get in
Speaker 4: trouble for going to rob drug dealers because it's not
Speaker 4: a crime to rob people who are committing a crime.
Speaker 4: So you can't hurt yourself here. Why don't you just
Speaker 4: really tell them the truth? And he goes, oh, well, okay,
Speaker 4: and then he tells them everything. Yes, we went to
Speaker 4: rob drug dealers, and I've robbed drug dealers before and
Speaker 4: all of that stuff. Well, he gets to court in
Speaker 4: America and a better lawyer says, you need to suppress
Speaker 4: that whole confession because this advice by his attorney in
Speaker 4: Mexico that you can tell them everything because there's no
Speaker 4: way you can get in trouble for robbing drug dealers
Speaker 4: is wrong and false and stupid, and there's no possible
Speaker 4: way to justify it. Ineffective assistance of counsel.
Speaker 3: What do you say, Ah, well, I think he loses,
Speaker 3: because does.
Speaker 2: Ineffectiveness assistance of counsel go to someone who is not
Speaker 2: counsel in the United States, not a member of the bar. Therefore,
Speaker 2: I don't think he is a lawyer recognized by the US.
Speaker 2: I don't think if any jurisdiction that says yes, if
Speaker 2: you're represented by someone outside of the country that we
Speaker 2: view as representation.
Speaker 3: This is my guess, okay, And I don't know which
Speaker 3: way it would go.
Speaker 2: And his argument that you cannot commit a crime against
Speaker 2: someone who's committing a.
Speaker 3: Crime, of course you can.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding Someone shoplifts and is running out the
Speaker 2: door committing a crime and a security guard shoots him
Speaker 2: in the back. Well, I didn't commit a crime because
Speaker 2: he was committing a crime. So I am going to
Speaker 2: argue and we'll see if I'm right on this one,
Speaker 2: because this one is not very clear cut the way
Speaker 2: I see it. The argument in effect thats this in
Speaker 2: effectiveness of counsel is not the same as a domestic lawyer,
Speaker 2: and it just not recognize that kind of counsel.
Speaker 3: What did the court say.
Speaker 4: Now, this is a reasonable line of thinking that you're on,
Speaker 4: and this is one of the lines of reasoning.
Speaker 1: That was used.
Speaker 4: However, in this case, the Ninth Circuit found that because
Speaker 4: he was being interrogated by the Americans about an American investigation.
Speaker 4: That it doesn't matter where the lawyer's from, the lawyer
Speaker 4: counts as a lawyer. So knowing that, do you want
Speaker 4: to say anything about the the level of blunder of
Speaker 4: telling his client what he told them that you can
Speaker 4: you can tell them everything because you can't get in
Speaker 4: trouble for robbing drug dealers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty high. It's pretty high.
Speaker 2: The blunder is like one, several levels of idiocy, not
Speaker 2: just level one. It goes up level two, three, probably
Speaker 2: beyond six levels of stupid and bad legal practice. But
Speaker 2: you're right, I didn't take into account that it was
Speaker 2: American interrogation. But you know what, if he argues, does
Speaker 2: someone have to be given miranda warnings outside of the country,
Speaker 2: I guess so. I guess so he was given his miranda.
Speaker 2: Everything was done by American law.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 4: So that was part of the problem is that he
Speaker 4: didn't have anything procedurally.
Speaker 1: But it didn't matter.
Speaker 4: The guy wins because his lawyer was an absolute and.
Speaker 2: That is and that is an effectiveness of counsel, which
Speaker 2: means that his confession is thrown out and they start
Speaker 2: from scratch again. And did they have enough evidence outside
Speaker 2: of his confession.
Speaker 4: The fact of the matter is reading everything about the
Speaker 4: case without somebody saying, oh, yes, we were there to
Speaker 4: rob people, they aren't.
Speaker 1: Gonna be able to convict them of anything.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, uh yeah, well I got that one right,
Speaker 2: I got that one wrong, one for one and no, you.
Speaker 1: Got it, you got it.
Speaker 4: I say you got it right because the substance of
Speaker 4: it is how bad was his advice? And is there
Speaker 4: any way around how bad his advice was? And you
Speaker 4: got that right. The other thing is more of a
Speaker 4: weird technical procedural thing.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, let's get to this guy.
Speaker 4: He diving and he's got his phone in the in
Speaker 4: the holder thing nice and legal, and the GPS freezes,
Speaker 4: so he pulls over to fix it, and about ten
Speaker 4: seconds after he pulls over, there's a cop at his window.
Speaker 4: Bomb bomb bomb what's going on? Turns out he's, apparently,
Speaker 4: according to the cop, in a high crime area. So
Speaker 4: he says, oh, my GPS froze. I went to fix it,
Speaker 4: and the guy says license please, and he goes yes,
Speaker 4: and also, I will give you now my concealed carry permit.
Speaker 1: Here it is, and let you know there is a.
Speaker 4: Gun down here in the driver's side pocket. The cop
Speaker 4: yanks him out of the car, yells at him, throws
Speaker 4: him in the back of the squad car. Other cops
Speaker 4: show up. The guy sits in the back of a
Speaker 4: squad car for thirty minutes and then he's let go.
Speaker 4: So he sues for false arrest and also search, false
Speaker 4: search incedure because as he's sitting in the car for
Speaker 4: thirty seconds, he sees this cop.
Speaker 1: Search his whole car, including the trunk.
Speaker 4: And he says, there was never any probable cause or
Speaker 4: even reasonable suspicion that I was committing any crime. And
Speaker 4: the cop says his defense is, well, I had to
Speaker 4: verify that this permit that you gave me is valid.
Speaker 4: That doesn't take thirty minutes, that doesn't require putting me
Speaker 4: in the back of the squad car, all these things.
Speaker 1: So the cop says qualified immunity.
Speaker 4: I didn't violate his rights, and even if I did,
Speaker 4: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I wasn't supposed to do what I did.
Speaker 4: And a lower court judge says, no, no qualified immunity
Speaker 4: for you. Cop appeals Second c Circuit Court of Appeal says,
Speaker 4: what do you think.
Speaker 2: Well, because I'm going to be adamant about what I'm
Speaker 2: about to say, I'm guessing the Circuit Court of Appeals
Speaker 2: went the other way. And let's start with the fact
Speaker 2: that I think the driver wins because there's no probable
Speaker 2: cause the way you describe it, the fact that he
Speaker 2: had a gun and told him about the gun and
Speaker 2: showed the permit.
Speaker 3: The cop clearly overreacted.
Speaker 2: As you said, it's very easy to determine whether the
Speaker 2: gun was legal or not. They could have kept him
Speaker 2: in the driver's seat. Now you could argue for fear
Speaker 2: he was going to take out the gun and it
Speaker 2: was a safety issue, but I don't think that's going
Speaker 2: to fly at all. I think that it was a
Speaker 2: false arrest. The cop way overreacted on that one. And
Speaker 2: the search and seizure issue, the cops shouldn't have done that,
Speaker 2: but there was no evidence that they found for wrongdoing.
Speaker 3: So no harm, no foul, because the violation of search
Speaker 3: and seizure, for the most part.
Speaker 2: Is simply not allowed, not allowing the evidence, suppressing the
Speaker 2: evidence that was found. I don't know if there's a
Speaker 2: common law or statutory provision that says if cops sees
Speaker 2: or if they do an illegal search and seizure and
Speaker 2: find nothing, if there is punishment for that.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I think I think he wins.
Speaker 1: He does win. He means he wins big time.
Speaker 4: And the Circuit court said, you can't have this because
Speaker 4: here's why. I mean, the idea that he wanted to
Speaker 4: check the validity of the permit is fine, but you
Speaker 4: don't do all these things to this guy to check
Speaker 4: the validity. And the problem is, if he can do this,
Speaker 4: it means everybody with a gun permit, cops can always presume,
Speaker 4: with zero reason to so, that it's not lawful. And
Speaker 4: then I thought, well, if they can do that with
Speaker 4: somebody's concealed carry permit, why couldn't you do that with
Speaker 4: somebody's driver's license. Here's my license. I presume this is
Speaker 4: a false license. I don't have any reason to presume it,
Speaker 4: but I do.
Speaker 2: Okay, So excellent fifty two this morning, No, two for two,
Speaker 2: two for two.
Speaker 3: You're gonna give it to me, all right?
Speaker 1: I win?
Speaker 2: All right, We'll see you next Monday, Wayne, as always.
Speaker 3: All right, we're done, guys. Coming up.
Speaker 2: Gary and Shannon are at the Democratic National Convention all
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