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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a KFI Bill Handle here on a

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<v Speaker 2>Monday morning, August nineteenth. Democratic National Convention starts two day

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<v Speaker 2>Gary and Shannon recovering it.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll be there, a lot going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris is going to accept the nomination, which he

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<v Speaker 2>already has. And I'll be Thursday tonight Joe Biden, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the joys of Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and

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<v Speaker 2>Barack Obama and probably Michelle Obama and then the whole panoply.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can tell the hierarchy of whatever political party

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<v Speaker 2>is by the later someone talks. Those who speak at

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<v Speaker 2>one am not too much influence.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we are lonely. Let me tell you about a

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<v Speaker 3>guy named Joe Blake.

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<v Speaker 2>He kicked off his first dating app chat with Missy

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<v Speaker 2>gosby asking what's your face?

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<v Speaker 3>Were at Star Wars Movies episode five?

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<v Speaker 2>She instantly said the Empire strikes back then they were

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<v Speaker 2>spending birthdays watching thirteen hour Star Wars marathons, okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>cooking with Star Wars themed cookbooks. And between the two

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<v Speaker 2>of them they have twelve, count them twelve lightsabers. So

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<v Speaker 2>they got married the music, of course, was some Star

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<v Speaker 2>Wars and they went through you know how in the

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<v Speaker 2>military people, you know, the military guys have their swords

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<v Speaker 2>that the couples walk under put their swords up well

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<v Speaker 2>lightsabers in this time and it happened.

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<v Speaker 3>So, you know what. Here is the question psychologists asked.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we are lonely.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean data from Signet shows fifty eight percent of

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<v Speaker 2>Americans are lonely.

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<v Speaker 3>Religion is fading, work doesn't love us back.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe these crazy obsessives have the answer. They seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be a lot happier, a lot six and ten

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<v Speaker 2>Americans said hobbies or recreational activities are very important to them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's way up in the last fifteen years. Meanwhile, the

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<v Speaker 2>share of people who said the same about religion dropped

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<v Speaker 2>seven percent.

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, obviously, and this was out of the Wall Street Journal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a question that was given to psychologists. And here

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<v Speaker 2>is the answer, or an answer. Picture of crowd swinging

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<v Speaker 2>in unison to a song. Everyone there feels the same

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<v Speaker 2>emotion simultaneously. This is Paul Booth says this, a professor

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<v Speaker 2>at De Paul University, and the euphoria catches and builds.

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<v Speaker 2>That's called collective effervescence. It's almost telepathic. Loneliness is like thirst,

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<v Speaker 2>according to professor of psychology and neuroscience at Brigham Young,

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<v Speaker 2>where social being being biologically wired to crave part of

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<v Speaker 2>being a group. And if that's gone, our mental and

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<v Speaker 2>physical health can suffer, leading to depression, even diabetes, even

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<v Speaker 2>early death. And so what is this about? Why do

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<v Speaker 2>people not do this well? It requires vulnerability, is what

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<v Speaker 2>the medical experts are saying. Fandom asks us to latch

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<v Speaker 2>to ourselves something outside of us, something that we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have control of that becomes part of identities. And how

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<v Speaker 2>much easier it is to stay stay cool and not

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<v Speaker 2>really pay attention. It has to do with, if you

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine this, mental health. So people that go to,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, particularly rock concerts, or one guy in the

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<v Speaker 2>story is a grateful dead of ficionado who still listens

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<v Speaker 2>to the grateful Dead, and he's in his fifties or sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>His kids went nuts because that's all he would listen

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<v Speaker 2>to in the car. So my position has always been

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<v Speaker 2>that frankly, people who don't or who do have this

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<v Speaker 2>fanaticism that they have with other people. Swifties for example,

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<v Speaker 2>I've always thought that they just don't have much of

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<v Speaker 2>a life, and it turns out there is among the

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<v Speaker 2>experts real disagreement about that, that they have more of

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<v Speaker 2>a life. I also want to point out that these

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<v Speaker 2>studies are fake news because there is no chance that

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<v Speaker 2>if you're a swifty you have much of a life.

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<v Speaker 2>No value judgment, mind you. I want to point that out.

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<v Speaker 2>You're happier if you're a swifty or a grateful dead fan,

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<v Speaker 2>or you have a hobby bowllying, for example, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>fanatic about your bowling team, if you're fanatic about the

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<v Speaker 2>Dodgers or the Clippers or the Chargers, and you join

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<v Speaker 2>other fans. I went to one game with the Chargers.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll never do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Again because the fanaticism I just can't take. I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing that's fun is going to a Dodgers

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<v Speaker 2>San Francisco game or a San Francisco you know football

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<v Speaker 2>team San Francisco VERSUS LA. Then at least you see

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<v Speaker 2>people killing each other in the parking lot. You see,

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<v Speaker 2>that's entertainment. Does that make sense? It's absolutely true. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been going on for what three weeks? Four weeks now?

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea. Have you ever seen Shehn Yun?

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<v Speaker 2>You know the show of those Chinese people dancing and

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<v Speaker 2>singing and doing all these incredible acrobatic tricks and splits

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<v Speaker 2>and ballet, and it's incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I have seen people said it's terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen people have and people I think it's the

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<v Speaker 2>most wonderful thing they've ever seen. Just look at the

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<v Speaker 2>commercials that they buy. And I have never heard that

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<v Speaker 2>it is a propaganda tool for a group, well for

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<v Speaker 2>a cult actually that was created about twenty years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and it involves mister Master Lee who started a religious

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<v Speaker 2>movement and it came out of China. It was anti

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<v Speaker 2>communist ten thousand protesters in Beijing who were members of

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<v Speaker 2>Falloun Yung.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the name, full O n Gang. Excuse me, Followun

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<v Speaker 3>Gong is the name.

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<v Speaker 2>They tried to get Tim Conway Junior, and they couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>get him to say following Gong. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>I said that that made absolutely no sense. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>them work, some of the don't. The point is this

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<v Speaker 2>guy who heads the cult, now he had to leave

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<v Speaker 2>China obviously, so he's an exile if you will, and

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<v Speaker 2>he has an upstate New York compound four hundred acres,

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<v Speaker 2>a full campus, followers by the millions all over the world.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got a giant pagoda, there's a giant Buddha who

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<v Speaker 2>has a face that strangely looks like his face.

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<v Speaker 3>And these Shun Shenyun dancers.

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<v Speaker 2>Live there and they are told that he is effectively God.

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<v Speaker 3>Like any other cult.

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<v Speaker 2>Leader, he says, if you follow what I teach, you

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<v Speaker 2>will be able to levitate yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love to see that one. Has it happened yet?

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<v Speaker 2>No? And if you complain now he has these kids,

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<v Speaker 2>mainly teenagers, dance, rehearse, move a do show after show

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<v Speaker 2>in a very short period of time.

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<v Speaker 3>And it doesn't pay them because they're religious.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's all about his view of while he calls

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<v Speaker 2>himself the creator of the universe, which kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about that. That would fly his believers

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<v Speaker 2>think he is. You know, this is like any other cult.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just they know how to make money, and lots

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<v Speaker 2>and lots of it. It's not just those who are

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<v Speaker 2>part of the cult giving up their money. Jim Jim Jones,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, and you have David Koresh where people.

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<v Speaker 3>Gave the money these guys have.

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<v Speaker 2>Shen Young has eight troops going around the country dancing,

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<v Speaker 2>and people don't know it's a it's a cult, a

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<v Speaker 2>religious cult. Tickets can cost up to three hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>nine dollars. Just to give you an idea that Sheen

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<v Speaker 2>Yun Performing Arts. Now we're not talking about the organization

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<v Speaker 2>Galun Gong or Yallalun Gong. We're just talking about Shen

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<v Speaker 2>Yun Performing Arts, which is owned by the religious group.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a separate corporation and ticket sales on five continents,

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<v Speaker 2>going on constantly, eight troops holdings the more than two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty five million dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I've always thought, always thought.

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<v Speaker 2>The answer was to start your own religion and get

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to do that. I would love to Neil,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to start some kind of religion, just you

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<v Speaker 2>have to and just get people to.

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<v Speaker 3>Buy it, like a sex cult. Yeah, and that would work,

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<v Speaker 3>that would work.

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<v Speaker 2>And no, and the priestesses would be along Santa Monica Boulevard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that's not gonna work.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the point is is that.

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<v Speaker 3>Religions are crazy, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The basic religions, the great religions of the world that

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<v Speaker 2>have been around a long time. Judaism almost four thousand years,

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<v Speaker 2>Christianity over two thousand years, Mormonism the eighteen hundreds, the

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<v Speaker 2>Mooni's one.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the great religions of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>That was in I think the nineteen seventies is when

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<v Speaker 2>that started some of these very old religions that have

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<v Speaker 2>been around for a while. So this one is what

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five years old, millions of followers.

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<v Speaker 3>So next time you go, if.

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<v Speaker 2>You go, I haven't been to one, and I've talked

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<v Speaker 2>to people and they said, yeah, it's great, or know

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<v Speaker 2>what's horrible. What I want to do is buy a ticket,

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<v Speaker 2>sit in my chair, and get me to levitate.

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<v Speaker 3>If they can pull that off. Man, they have a

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<v Speaker 3>fan here that.

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<v Speaker 2>Will continue to tell you how how great this organization is.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, it is time for Do they have a

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<v Speaker 2>case with Wayne hey Bill.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, there's a part near the border in Arizona they

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<v Speaker 4>call the Seep Seep, and a lot of people smuggle

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<v Speaker 4>drugs through there. Then a lot of people decided they

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<v Speaker 4>would go there and rob those drug smugglers. So Border

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<v Speaker 4>patrol put together a tactical unit to catch the rip

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<v Speaker 4>crews that were going in there to rob the drug smugglers,

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<v Speaker 4>and one night they're out there on an operation, they

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<v Speaker 4>come across some fellas and there's a shootout.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the border patrol agents ends up dead.

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<v Speaker 4>Now they are able to identify a couple of these

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<v Speaker 4>guys even though they got away, because they left some

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<v Speaker 4>stuff behind and they got their DNA off of the stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>so they have an idea of who they're looking for.

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<v Speaker 4>Turns out one of them is arrested in Mexico, and

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<v Speaker 4>Mexico knows that the FEDS are looking for this guy,

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<v Speaker 4>so they arrange an interrogation of this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Buy the American Feds the.

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<v Speaker 4>FBI in a jail in Mexico, and they go in

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<v Speaker 4>and they say, tell us everything you know, and he says, well, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Why were you there to drop off food?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we would just go and drop off food. Now

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<v Speaker 4>here's the thing. They are charged with murder and some

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<v Speaker 4>other stuff and hobbes act robbery. This is a federal

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<v Speaker 4>robbery statue to robbery that interferes with commerce. The Feds

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<v Speaker 4>must be able to prove that they were there to

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<v Speaker 4>rob in order to convict them of the murder. If

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<v Speaker 4>they can't prove they were there to commit robbery. They

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<v Speaker 4>cannot get them on anything. So this guy says, if

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<v Speaker 4>I'm dropping off food, they try everything every tactic in

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<v Speaker 4>the book. But then his lawyer, the guy lawyer, a

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<v Speaker 4>Mexican lawyer, says to him, listen, you can't get in

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<v Speaker 4>trouble for going to rob drug dealers because it's not

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<v Speaker 4>a crime to rob people who are committing a crime.

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<v Speaker 4>So you can't hurt yourself here. Why don't you just

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<v Speaker 4>really tell them the truth? And he goes, oh, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>and then he tells them everything. Yes, we went to

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<v Speaker 4>rob drug dealers, and I've robbed drug dealers before and

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<v Speaker 4>all of that stuff. Well, he gets to court in

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<v Speaker 4>America and a better lawyer says, you need to suppress

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<v Speaker 4>that whole confession because this advice by his attorney in

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<v Speaker 4>Mexico that you can tell them everything because there's no

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<v Speaker 4>is wrong and false and stupid, and there's no possible

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<v Speaker 4>way to justify it. Ineffective assistance of counsel.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you say, Ah, well, I think he loses,

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<v Speaker 2>Ineffectiveness assistance of counsel go to someone who is not

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<v Speaker 2>counsel in the United States, not a member of the bar. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he is a lawyer recognized by the US.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think if any jurisdiction that says yes, if

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<v Speaker 3>This is my guess, okay, And I don't know which

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<v Speaker 2>And his argument that you cannot commit a crime against

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<v Speaker 3>Crime, of course you can.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding Someone shoplifts and is running out the

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<v Speaker 2>in the back. Well, I didn't commit a crime because

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<v Speaker 2>he was committing a crime. So I am going to

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<v Speaker 2>argue and we'll see if I'm right on this one,

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<v Speaker 2>because this one is not very clear cut the way

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<v Speaker 2>I see it. The argument in effect thats this in

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<v Speaker 2>effectiveness of counsel is not the same as a domestic lawyer,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just not recognize that kind of counsel.

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<v Speaker 3>What did the court say.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, this is a reasonable line of thinking that you're on,

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<v Speaker 4>and this is one of the lines of reasoning.

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<v Speaker 1>That was used.

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<v Speaker 4>However, in this case, the Ninth Circuit found that because

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<v Speaker 4>he was being interrogated by the Americans about an American investigation.

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<v Speaker 4>That it doesn't matter where the lawyer's from, the lawyer

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<v Speaker 4>counts as a lawyer. So knowing that, do you want

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<v Speaker 4>to say anything about the the level of blunder of

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<v Speaker 4>telling his client what he told them that you can

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<v Speaker 4>you can tell them everything because you can't get in

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<v Speaker 4>trouble for robbing drug dealers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's pretty high. It's pretty high.

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<v Speaker 2>The blunder is like one, several levels of idiocy, not

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<v Speaker 2>just level one. It goes up level two, three, probably

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<v Speaker 2>beyond six levels of stupid and bad legal practice. But

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<v Speaker 2>you're right, I didn't take into account that it was

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<v Speaker 2>American interrogation. But you know what, if he argues, does

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<v Speaker 2>someone have to be given miranda warnings outside of the country,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess so. I guess so he was given his miranda.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything was done by American law.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh.

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<v Speaker 4>So that was part of the problem is that he

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<v Speaker 4>didn't have anything procedurally.

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<v Speaker 1>But it didn't matter.

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<v Speaker 4>The guy wins because his lawyer was an absolute and.

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<v Speaker 2>That is and that is an effectiveness of counsel, which

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<v Speaker 2>means that his confession is thrown out and they start

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<v Speaker 2>from scratch again. And did they have enough evidence outside

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<v Speaker 2>of his confession.

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<v Speaker 4>The fact of the matter is reading everything about the

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<v Speaker 4>case without somebody saying, oh, yes, we were there to

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<v Speaker 4>rob people, they aren't.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna be able to convict them of anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, uh yeah, well I got that one right,

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<v Speaker 2>I got that one wrong, one for one and no, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it, you got it.

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<v Speaker 4>I say you got it right because the substance of

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<v Speaker 4>it is how bad was his advice? And is there

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<v Speaker 4>any way around how bad his advice was? And you

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<v Speaker 4>got that right. The other thing is more of a

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<v Speaker 4>weird technical procedural thing.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, all right, let's get to this guy.

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<v Speaker 4>He diving and he's got his phone in the in

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<v Speaker 4>the holder thing nice and legal, and the GPS freezes,

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<v Speaker 4>so he pulls over to fix it, and about ten

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<v Speaker 4>seconds after he pulls over, there's a cop at his window.

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<v Speaker 4>Bomb bomb bomb what's going on? Turns out he's, apparently,

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<v Speaker 4>according to the cop, in a high crime area. So

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<v Speaker 4>he says, oh, my GPS froze. I went to fix it,

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<v Speaker 4>and the guy says license please, and he goes yes,

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<v Speaker 4>and also, I will give you now my concealed carry permit.

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<v Speaker 1>Here it is, and let you know there is a.

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<v Speaker 4>Gun down here in the driver's side pocket. The cop

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<v Speaker 4>yanks him out of the car, yells at him, throws

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<v Speaker 4>him in the back of the squad car. Other cops

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<v Speaker 4>show up. The guy sits in the back of a

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<v Speaker 4>squad car for thirty minutes and then he's let go.

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<v Speaker 4>So he sues for false arrest and also search, false

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<v Speaker 4>search incedure because as he's sitting in the car for

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<v Speaker 4>thirty seconds, he sees this cop.

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<v Speaker 1>Search his whole car, including the trunk.

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<v Speaker 4>And he says, there was never any probable cause or

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<v Speaker 4>even reasonable suspicion that I was committing any crime. And

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<v Speaker 4>the cop says his defense is, well, I had to

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<v Speaker 4>verify that this permit that you gave me is valid.

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<v Speaker 4>That doesn't take thirty minutes, that doesn't require putting me

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<v Speaker 4>in the back of the squad car, all these things.

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<v Speaker 1>So the cop says qualified immunity.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't violate his rights, and even if I did,

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't supposed to do what I did.

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<v Speaker 4>And a lower court judge says, no, no qualified immunity

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<v Speaker 4>for you. Cop appeals Second c Circuit Court of Appeal says,

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<v Speaker 4>what do you think.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because I'm going to be adamant about what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>about to say, I'm guessing the Circuit Court of Appeals

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<v Speaker 2>went the other way. And let's start with the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that I think the driver wins because there's no probable

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<v Speaker 2>cause the way you describe it, the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>had a gun and told him about the gun and

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<v Speaker 2>showed the permit.

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<v Speaker 3>The cop clearly overreacted.

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<v Speaker 2>As you said, it's very easy to determine whether the

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<v Speaker 2>gun was legal or not. They could have kept him

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<v Speaker 2>in the driver's seat. Now you could argue for fear

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<v Speaker 2>he was going to take out the gun and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a safety issue, but I don't think that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to fly at all. I think that it was a

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<v Speaker 2>false arrest. The cop way overreacted on that one. And

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<v Speaker 2>the search and seizure issue, the cops shouldn't have done that,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was no evidence that they found for wrongdoing.

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<v Speaker 3>So no harm, no foul, because the violation of search

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<v Speaker 3>and seizure, for the most part.

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<v Speaker 2>Is simply not allowed, not allowing the evidence, suppressing the

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that was found. I don't know if there's a

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<v Speaker 2>common law or statutory provision that says if cops sees

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<v Speaker 2>or if they do an illegal search and seizure and

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<v Speaker 2>find nothing, if there is punishment for that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but I think I think he wins.

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<v Speaker 1>He does win. He means he wins big time.

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<v Speaker 4>And the Circuit court said, you can't have this because

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<v Speaker 4>here's why. I mean, the idea that he wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>check the validity of the permit is fine, but you

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<v Speaker 4>don't do all these things to this guy to check

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<v Speaker 4>the validity. And the problem is, if he can do this,

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<v Speaker 4>it means everybody with a gun permit, cops can always presume,

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<v Speaker 4>with zero reason to so, that it's not lawful. And

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<v Speaker 4>then I thought, well, if they can do that with

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<v Speaker 4>somebody's concealed carry permit, why couldn't you do that with

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<v Speaker 4>somebody's driver's license. Here's my license. I presume this is

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<v Speaker 4>a false license. I don't have any reason to presume it,

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<v Speaker 4>but I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So excellent fifty two this morning, No, two for two,

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<v Speaker 2>two for two.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna give it to me, all right?

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<v Speaker 1>I win?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, We'll see you next Monday, Wayne, as always.

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