WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:01.960 Baby, I'm a gamesterato. 2 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:04.200 It takes a little tangle. 3 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:05.519 You don't want to. 4 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:06.599 Mess with me. 5 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:09.199 Mess with me, baby, I'm a gangsta too. 6 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:16.359 Couch baby, you're a game statoo. 7 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:26.760 For the warners, this podcast is designed to take you 8 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:29.800 outside of your comfort zone and make you question reality 9 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:31.879 Listening discretion is a vibe. 10 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:39.479 The fellas. 11 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:59.880 This ain't my first time at the RODEOSHM. 12 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:21.040 Welcome to the Occult Rejects today. We got a packed house. 13 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:24.000 We got ten of us up in here today, and 14 00:01:24.079 --> 00:01:27.000 we're gonna have all the rejects introduced themselves until we 15 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:29.159 get to the man of the hour, the very special 16 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:33.359 guests for you, Lisa, please the occult rejected bad scientists. 17 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:35.280 Let everybody know what your dealer is. What's up? 18 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:37.640 Thank you. I'm very excited to be here. Thank you 19 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:40.159 for the invitation. Thank you everybody. The only thing I 20 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:43.799 have to plug is Cult Research Institute dot org, where 21 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:48.079 a lot of our fellow occult researchers are contributing. So 22 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:50.439 that's it for me, and I'm very excited to hear 23 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:52.560 about to hear everything that Greg has. 24 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:54.959 To say today. Awesome, Yes, me too. Thank you very 25 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:58.079 much for joining us, and Jin Frida the Ninja, what's 26 00:01:58.120 --> 00:01:58.439 going on? 27 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:03.000 Thanks you, thank you boss, not Forrider today, but and 28 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:05.640 thank you to Greg Carlwood. Obviously I'm really excited and 29 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:09.520 slash nervous, but so I host the show called Threshold Saints, 30 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:14.400 which is serial experiments and speculative ontology. It's metamagic, metareality 31 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:17.840 and metaphysics. And then I also co host a Friday 32 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:20.039 night space we called Friday Night Nastic Mass called the 33 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:22.560 Gray Lodge, which Nick was so great to jump on 34 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:25.039 last week when I was gone. So we've launched an 35 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:28.120 of the Daughter, which is an eleven part gospel of love, 36 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.520 as well as our book club. And then also we're 37 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:33.960 doing a new series called Welcome to Hapaboria, which is 38 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:39.560 a sort of modern American nacissism. So yeah, you can 39 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:42.919 check me out insta, ig, Twitter, all that, and my 40 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:43.879 linkerge will be blow. 41 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:47.039 Thank you so much as thank you, sir and JJ Vance. 42 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:51.120 What is going on, sir, Nick greeting, sir, appreciate the 43 00:02:51.159 --> 00:02:53.240 advice always fellow cult rejects. 44 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:55.080 Greg Carlwood, Great to meet you, sir. 45 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:59.000 JJ Vance, a host of Operations GCD and more notably 46 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:04.280 not the vice president the Operation GCD. Live every Wednesday, 47 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:08.759 Fridays with the Occult Rejects every Friday night and Sundays 48 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:13.039 coming this week here Patreon only Sundays here at Operation 49 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:18.120 GCD eight pm, looking forward. The conversation always great to 50 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:20.840 you know, meet all the Occult Rejects. 51 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:23.840 This is the big, big team we got here today. 52 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:27.439 Oh yeah, oh yeah, Thank you very much. And Ethan Indigo, Sir, 53 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:28.280 what is going on? 54 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:33.360 Peace? Salute to everybody. Glad to be here. I'm a 55 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:36.360 writer on the esoteric and the exoteric and can be 56 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:40.240 found really easily and check out Occult Research Institute. 57 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:41.879 Glad to be here with everyone. 58 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:45.080 Thank you. And another special guest we got with us today. 59 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:47.599 This man has been along the journey really with the 60 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:49.319 Occult Rejects, and I think some of the best work 61 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:50.719 that has been done on this show has been done 62 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:52.840 with him, so I wanted to get him involved. We 63 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:56.080 got Mario from Symbolic Studies to Tarot Man himself. Please 64 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:57.360 let everybody know what is up. 65 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.360 Yeah for sure, Thanks for the invite, dude. My project 66 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:03.479 is called Symbolic Studies. You can find all my stuff 67 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:07.319 at symbolicstudies dot com. I do short form videos available 68 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:10.439 for terror readings, I've got presentations on my YouTube all 69 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:12.599 that kind of stuff. Stock to talk to Greg and 70 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.680 everyone else. So yeah, thanks again of course, of course, 71 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:17.199 and we got Ricardo. 72 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.199 Please, sir, let everybody know what your deal is and 73 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:21.920 where they can find all your amazing research. 74 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:27.160 Thank you, Nick, Thank you for the invite. Good hearing 75 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:32.399 to everyone. I'm very excited to listen from Greg today 76 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.839 and see what it has to say. And as for me, 77 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:38.680 I'm a multi Sumari researcher and you can find all 78 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:40.959 about me and my ex account as it is in 79 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.120 the screen at t dot calvery one at x do. 80 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:47.839 Check out our magazine pharohs. You can find it at 81 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:49.920 the Institute for Natural Philosophy dot org. 82 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:54.439 Thank you, Nick, of course, thank you, And we got 83 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:57.480 the Cosmic Peach yourself, Julia, what is going on? 84 00:04:58.920 --> 00:04:59.399 What's up? 85 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:02.560 Nick? I'm so excited for this one. I've been looking 86 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:07.079 forward to it. Have Cosmic Peach podcast wherever you listen 87 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:10.680 or find your podcast. If you haven't found me yet, yeah, 88 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:13.759 never will, but I'm excited to be here. 89 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:15.000 Thanks for having me. 90 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:17.920 Of course, of course. And last but not least, the 91 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:19.959 moment Slayer herself heighty love. 92 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:24.439 Hello, everybody. I'm Heidi Love of the Unfiltered Rise. I'm 93 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:27.199 everwhere podcasts are served. I do have my own website, 94 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:30.839 Unfiltered rizpodcast dot com, and I'm better known as the 95 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:31.639 ex Mormon girl. 96 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:35.240 Hell Yah, nice to meet you, Greg, Thank you, thank 97 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:38.480 you very much. I really appreciate it. And finally, last 98 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:41.199 but not least, the man of the hour. I'm sure 99 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:45.120 everybody knows who he is. He's a the OG four 100 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:48.560 twenty friendly conspiracy theorist. We're on the streets. He smoked 101 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:50.959 the blunts with Bigfoot, and he's ripped bong hits a 102 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:54.759 Bohemia grove. We got Greg Callwood from the Higher Side 103 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:58.199 Chats up in here today. Greg, please let everybody know 104 00:05:58.360 --> 00:05:59.800 what the hell is up and what's going on. 105 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:05.319 Hey, thank you for having me. No pressure, right, I mean, 106 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:08.720 I really am just a regular guy and have a 107 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:12.160 regular guy's level of knowledge. You guys all probably know 108 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:14.319 a lot more about the occult than me, but people 109 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:16.600 know me because I got in there first. I've been 110 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:20.120 doing the podcast for fifteen years. The Higher Side Chats 111 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:23.439 dot Com is the place to go, and it really 112 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:26.079 is all the great guests I've had over the years 113 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:28.040 that make the show what it is. I'm just a 114 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:32.600 guy asking some questions, and some of it sticks, but 115 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:35.360 a lot of times it's like preparing for a book report. 116 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:37.759 You cram, you do the thing, and then you're like, 117 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:41.879 all right, that's done. But after fifteen years, hopefully I 118 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:45.160 remember some things and have some interesting things to bring up. 119 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:46.680 But pleasure to meet everybody. 120 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:49.519 Yeah, no, thank you very much. I totally understand what 121 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:51.959 you're saying about forgetting stuff, because like between everybody I 122 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:53.519 work with, it'll be like, don't you remember when we 123 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:55.680 talked about so and so on, And I'm like, no, sorry, 124 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:57.879 I don't. That was three weeks ago. I don't remember. 125 00:06:58.439 --> 00:06:59.959 There's so many there was ten other shows in there 126 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:02.439 that I remember, you know, partial stuff I just forgot. 127 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:05.879 But as it all does lead together, Yeah, I'm glad 128 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:09.319 I'm not the only one. Thank you, So Greg. I figured, 129 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:11.879 I mean, besides, there's you know, nine other people here. 130 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.439 Everybody's got questions. But I did think maybe kind of 131 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.519 just set it off. As you know, again, you've been 132 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:20.519 around for a while, you do touch on the occult 133 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:23.199 besides other things, I guess just kind of wanted to know, 134 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:25.519 like you know, your experience and the occult with the 135 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:30.360 journey through your podcast, maybe things that opened up your thinking, 136 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:33.879 things that surprised you. I don't know, people that impacted 137 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:35.360 you go to bed and it doesn't you know, have 138 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:37.720 to necessarily be putting the person down. I say bad. 139 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:40.519 It just you know, stuff like that and just really 140 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:43.519 free flowing. But I guess maybe just started off like, well, 141 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.199 first off, what even got you into starting the higher 142 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:46.800 side of chats? 143 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:53.079 Well, I was always kind of anti authoritarian and into 144 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.560 conspiracies and even things like the Locknus Monster and Bigfoot 145 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:58.079 and UFOs that gets you. 146 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:00.000 Going when you're young. I like punk music. 147 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:03.920 So I also kind of grew up in a repressive 148 00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:10.040 Catholic school environment in the Midwest, so religiosity was definitely there. 149 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:14.839 Obviously it's an anti occult environment, but it's still in 150 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:18.480 the mix. And I tried on atheism for a long time, 151 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:19.959 and it was just like, you know, what if I 152 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.199 think this is bullshit, if I think that it's wrapped 153 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:24.399 up in a lot of nasty stuff with the Vatican 154 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:27.000 and all this, well, you know, if I don't trust 155 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:29.800 these people, maybe the whole thing is bullshit. And I 156 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:32.720 think a lot of people eventually come out of that. Again, 157 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:36.720 if you go through it, it's more about the environment 158 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:40.759 you're in. It's more about the indoctrination of traditional, almost 159 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:44.279 corporatized religion, and you don't have to throw the baby 160 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:46.960 out with the bathwater. And I had to remind myself 161 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:50.840 that little things happened when I was young that blew 162 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:55.360 the doors off materialism, and I was conveniently ignoring some 163 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:58.759 of those things. Like one of the craziest was when 164 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:02.799 I was in about the preschool age. I didn't This 165 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:04.559 kind of makes my parents look bad, but I did 166 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:07.200 not wear my seat belt much. There were not car 167 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:10.159 seats at least at this age, even though now I 168 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:13.000 see people putting kids in car seats for a long time. 169 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.919 But regardless, I was on my way to something with 170 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:18.399 my mom and I. 171 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:21.440 Had this inner voice say put your seat belt on, 172 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:26.200 and it was incredibly aggressive, and for some reason I listened, 173 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:27.960 and we were in a car accident. My mom got 174 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:32.639 tea boned like five minutes later, and I would never 175 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:36.679 forget that that was the reason why I didn't find 176 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:38.600 it and why I wasn't even being asked to do it. 177 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:41.840 And I think my parents just got sick of how stubborn. 178 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:45.159 I was, and in this particular instance, this inner voice 179 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:48.679 was so loud. I was like, that was definitely intuition, 180 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:53.440 some guardian angel type thing. I don't know if that's 181 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:56.000 the higher self, whatever it is, but I think a 182 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:59.080 lot of us have telephone telepathy, or we see something 183 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:00.639 strange looking at you. 184 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:03.080 Yeah, it's often in those early. 185 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:04.840 Years, and then we might put it away and be like, well, 186 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:07.080 I'm not going to hinge my entire worldview on the 187 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:10.080 five seconds which I saw something that defied reality. 188 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:13.480 Maybe I was mistaken back then, but I swung back. 189 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:17.240 Obviously. I was into conspiracy and it's very adjacent. I 190 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:21.960 always liked the David Ike flavor of conspiracy more than 191 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:26.000 the Alex Jones angry patriot Texas thing. That didn't really 192 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.120 resonate with me, maybe because it was too close to 193 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:31.320 home the way I grew up, and I mean, my 194 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:34.559 parents were very normal, which allowed me to be normal too. 195 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:38.639 But outside of the confines of my home in the Midwest, 196 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:41.360 in rural Missouri, Arnold, Missouri, you see a lot of 197 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.600 stuff the parents of the kids are going to school with, 198 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.559 you know, And I think that's great because some people 199 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:49.559 were way more of the mindset that they were drinking 200 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:52.480 the kool aid and still do and always have people 201 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:55.519 I still like. But they didn't try on any other 202 00:10:55.639 --> 00:10:59.960 hats because in their house it wasn't tampered down at all. 203 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:02.720 It was still like as intense as it was at school. 204 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:05.000 So, you know whatever. 205 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.080 But I think if you go into conspiracy long enough, 206 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.840 it definitely crosses over into occult area as you start 207 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:17.000 looking at symbolism. I saw an early documentary on marketing 208 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:19.919 and just subliminal messages in marketing, and then that gets 209 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:25.399 adjacent to magic. And it was guests like Gordon White 210 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:30.559 who kind of recontextualized the sie effects and the telephone 211 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:33.440 telepathy type of thing and said, no, that is magic. 212 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:37.720 That is a product of a magical universe. And I 213 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:40.279 think it's kind of a changing of the definition that 214 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.159 made me feel like the world is more magical, and 215 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:45.919 you know, the rest is kind of history. 216 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:50.360 It's interesting, kind of I guess we shed a little 217 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.159 bit of the same situation where it went from you know, 218 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:58.720 kind of Catholicism Catholic into thinking there's something wrong with 219 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:01.240 the church because of the conspirac season. Then I become 220 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:04.240 an atheist, and then about five years later, I found 221 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:05.039 myself in the Oto. 222 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.120 I did not go that, Oh you no, I did, 223 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:11.759 but his next magic really the big secret at the 224 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:12.440 end of. 225 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:16.480 That for me, my magical experience. Yeah, I think I 226 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.000 was given some secrets, yes so, but not at the Oto. 227 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:22.240 It was not wait oh sorry, did you sway? Stay? 228 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:22.799 What did you say? 229 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:24.480 Oh? 230 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:27.320 No, you know that's the whole thing and the experiences 231 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.399 that I had. There was no ritual done, no sex, 232 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:32.960 and all I did was meditate. Did you see the 233 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:35.519 Gnostic Mass? Oh, I've been in the Gnostic Mass plenty 234 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:35.879 of times. 235 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:39.360 Did you see the full apparently the real Gnostic Mass. 236 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:39.919 They're banging. 237 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:46.200 I've never seen anything else besides breasts. Oh yeah, grateful that, I. 238 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.000 Thought, you said, Nick, You saw they always picked the 239 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:51.120 big fat chicks to get up there and take their 240 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:52.320 tops off, didn't they. 241 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:55.279 Well, just from my experience, I mean, listen, I'm not 242 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:57.000 breaking saying I'm God's gift to women, but I did 243 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:58.720 not want to see any of those women naked anyways, 244 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:05.759 keeping it real, don't get naked either, No naked. I 245 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:07.919 figure out I was going somewhere with this I forgot. 246 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:09.919 But oh yeah, yeah, there was there was no sex man. 247 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:11.799 I I again, I mean I was only there for 248 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:13.519 five to six years, only went up a few degrees. 249 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:16.720 You have to go past the fourth, Like if the 250 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:19.039 fourth you get shoulder taped to go pissed. So you know, 251 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:20.559 maybe when you hit the fifth that's when all the 252 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:23.559 weird shit happens. I don't know so, but that's yeah, 253 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:27.159 my experience. But yeah, I kind of had the same thing. 254 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:29.600 And like you said, did David Ike, I was much 255 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:33.279 more into David Ike, Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tassarian. So like 256 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:36.320 when I first started getting into all those people, there 257 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:38.120 was nothing. I mean, I didn't have a choice. Really, 258 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:43.240 I was gonna hear about ocultism and then you know, oh, 259 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:43.960 I was just gonna say. 260 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:46.480 Also, astrology is one of those early things that I 261 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:52.159 just couldn't really dismiss the results of and the typical 262 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:55.480 excuse that everything's just so broad and vague that you 263 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:58.919 can apply it to yourself that didn't really resonate, And 264 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:00.919 so that was just an other thing that's like, well, 265 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:03.200 if this is true, then I have to change my 266 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:08.039 worldview about what reality is. Synchro Mysticism too, another area 267 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:13.960 where conspiracy and symbolism crossover and your entry level thought 268 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:16.840 is that, well, maybe this stuff is just seeded into 269 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:22.279 films by the people who are you know, the cast 270 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:26.080 and crew. But some of it defies logic in that 271 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:29.840 regard too, And then you're like, man, something metaphysical seems 272 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:32.559 to be going on. And then maybe you start thinking 273 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:36.120 about consciousness and big events that well up a lot 274 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:39.840 of conscious energy. And then maybe it manifests through like 275 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:43.000 a muse like way where someone has to write something 276 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:45.399 in a film and they're like, well, I'm gonna put 277 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:47.159 it as nine to eleven. Well why did you pick 278 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:50.399 nine to eleven? Maybe it wasn't absolutely conscious, but there's 279 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:53.440 just some deep echo in the back of your subconsciousness 280 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:56.519 like this is an important date, so put it on 281 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:00.919 Neo's passport. Who knows. But there's something about a lot 282 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:03.480 of that stuff. So those are just some other components 283 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:06.440 that I just think, if you haven't gotten rid of 284 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:09.240 materialism yet, just look at some of that stuff and 285 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:10.639 try to figure out. 286 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:15.039 How it works in a material universe. I agree with uh, 287 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:16.720 do anybody want to ask you any questions? 288 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:19.039 I do. 289 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:27.039 I don't want to hog at Greg's time or anything. 290 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:30.480 But because you mentioned David Ike, you know, he's been 291 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:34.639 scrutinized to like the max would you are you like 292 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:38.799 a lizard people's person or are you like where where 293 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:40.919 do you fall in the lizard spectrum? 294 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:45.960 Well, I think this is David Ike. He He's even 295 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:49.120 clarified a lot of those comments. So it's hard to separate, 296 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:51.240 especially in a pre Internet world. When I was getting 297 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:55.519 into David Ike, you have the actual person, their actual material, 298 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:59.759 and then the cariature that society reduces it down to. 299 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:02.919 And obviously with David Ike, he was reduced down to 300 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:08.279 the lizard guy. All these elite are literal lizard people 301 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:12.159 wearing rubber masks, and that's not true. That's again like 302 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:15.799 the materialist viewpoint of what he's getting at, which I 303 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:20.200 think if you take the metaphysical spiritual look at what 304 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:23.320 David Ike says, which he even himself now would say, 305 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:29.480 it's more like there's maybe some deep, deep bloodline represented 306 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:33.080 by reptilian symbolism. Why is the reptilian symbolism there? Does 307 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:35.679 it go all the way back to literal reptiles or 308 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:38.360 has it always been symbolic. Mario is probably the guy 309 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:41.519 to answer more of these questions, but I don't I 310 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:44.960 think that that's a literalization of what he's trying to say, 311 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:47.600 which is something more metaphysical. A lot of people, when 312 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:51.000 they have a spiritual experience with something they think is alien, 313 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:54.120 reptiles come up all the time. I don't think they 314 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:57.559 saw Hillary Clinton as an iguana in their living room, 315 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:00.960 but they saw something on the astraplane report presented as 316 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:07.519 a reptilian energy, like a serpentine like energy. Yeah, and 317 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:09.519 so I think there might be, if you go back 318 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:12.240 far enough, a physicality to that somewhat. But I kind 319 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:16.359 of think like uphology was trying to find itself in 320 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:21.720 a material worldview initially. So what are these things? They 321 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:25.400 must be humanoid creatures from another physical planet because they're 322 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:30.680 not able to rope in the spiritual layer of reality. 323 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:33.799 They can't have an explanation that changes that worldview, that 324 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:37.680 fundamental worldview that everything's physical, Big Bang and everything. So 325 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:40.680 if you're not going to have a spiritual layer to 326 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:44.680 your reality, you get weird conclusions. And I think that's 327 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:46.599 what the David Ike thing is is. I think he's 328 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:50.640 very metaphysical and he's trying to explain things in a 329 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:53.440 way that makes sense, and he says reptilian and people 330 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:57.640 literalize it and say, oh, well, he means she's Hillary 331 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:00.279 Clinton's wearing a rubber mask, and it's like that's a 332 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.880 little silly. But is she attached to a spiritual arconic 333 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:07.319 presence that is maybe riding her and even possessing her 334 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:10.079 to a degree because it recognizes power and it is 335 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:15.680 a reptilian energy. I think that's probably possible, probably even likely. 336 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:19.519 Or like some kind of bloodline thing almost yeah. 337 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:22.960 Yeah, yeah, I'm wondering that's a literalization too. But they 338 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:26.759 definitely care about bloodlines. The leader obsessed with that, so 339 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:30.480 you have to reverse engineer. If they care, then it's 340 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:31.400 something important. 341 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:32.279 And what is it. 342 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:35.359 Well, there's this, there's all the Steiner stuff. When Steiner 343 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:38.240 talks about blood, I'm like, that is your spiritual essence. 344 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:41.559 So maybe it's splitting hairs talking about a reptilian blood 345 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:44.480 line and a reptilian spiritual energy attachment. 346 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:45.920 It's probably maybe. 347 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:49.400 That's how it's connected in through the blood and the nakash. 348 00:18:49.640 --> 00:18:53.599 I think it's connected back to the garden, like you know, there. 349 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:55.839 You go, Like I say, you guys know more than 350 00:18:55.880 --> 00:18:58.240 I do about a lot of this stuff. But these 351 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:01.400 are the conclusions when I've you know, after fifteen years 352 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:04.599 of asking guests, some things resonate and some don't. Some 353 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:09.799 things you hear more often than others. And that's basically 354 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:14.839 my broad viewpoint on how reptilians can exist and probably do. 355 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:23.480 You, if I may, Greg, So you've said many times 356 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:26.400 of what you heard from people. My question is directly 357 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:29.839 to you and not to those people, to your personal experience. So, 358 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:34.240 after all you've learned of the experience you accumulated, transforming 359 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:37.599 that knowledge into some form of wisdom, how do you 360 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.480 see reality, how do you conceive it to be today, 361 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:45.400 and how it relates to consciousness and existence in itself. 362 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:54.039 Well, I think I settle on the Soul school hypothesis 363 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:57.839 that we come here to have physical experiences where fractals 364 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:01.920 of the Godhead. We take thatperience back to the central 365 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:04.200 supreme consciousness and fold it in. 366 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:06.079 And I don't know why. 367 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:11.480 There's a lot of explanations, like the basic one is 368 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:16.359 that consciousness existed made a physical container for itself and 369 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:19.400 that is only enjoyable to play through if you come 370 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:21.319 in with no memory that you're God. 371 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:24.279 And I think that checks out. That kind of makes sense. 372 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:27.279 And if you push on the reality we have, then 373 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:29.880 you can quickly find out it goes deeper, but you 374 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:31.880 can go your whole life without pushing on it at 375 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:34.880 all and just live a straight experience, you know, a 376 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:39.319 straightforward physical reality experience, which is probably what it was 377 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:43.400 somewhat designed to do. But I think it's, yeah, a 378 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:45.759 realm of experience, which is what I think is really 379 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:49.920 sad when so many other people I know don't fully 380 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:53.519 dive in, you know. And that's where the conspiracy comes in, 381 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:56.200 is I think so much of it is about capturing 382 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:58.359 our attention and wasting our time. 383 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:01.160 Like just jobs. 384 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:05.720 Obviously number one thing to say that eight hours a day, 385 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:08.039 you're going to sleep. Eight hours a day are gonna 386 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:10.200 work for us, and then you get the other eight hours, 387 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:13.559 but some of it's traffic. Then you're gonna have to eat, 388 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:16.039 you're gonna have to get ready for work and shower 389 00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:17.880 and all this stuff. It really starts to get whittled 390 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:19.920 away to Okay, I guess I have two hours in 391 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:22.920 the evening to watch a fucking Netflix show and that's it. 392 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:26.319 And so I think a lot of it is wasting 393 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:30.240 people's time and keeping them from engaging in the experience. 394 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:32.839 I don't know what the elite are exactly, if they 395 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:36.599 hate God or if they're falling angels or something of 396 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:39.920 that realm, or they just want to corrupt the experience 397 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:42.359 as much as they can, so they do genetic tinkering 398 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:44.519 and all this other stuff. But it seems like they're 399 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:48.079 very spiteful of experience itself, and so I think that 400 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:51.759 they have tiers of ways they attack it, and one 401 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:54.960 of them is just like, have all these people waste 402 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:59.319 their time in a numb state of baseline consciousness, never 403 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:04.960 explore a snuff out their curiosity, and just neutralize what 404 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:06.960 this thing is designed to do. 405 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:10.039 And they do a pretty damn good. 406 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:10.319 Job of that. 407 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:13.079 I think we all know people who barely ever get 408 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:15.559 off the couch outside of going to work and coming 409 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:18.440 home in the evening. So I like the Sole school 410 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:21.759 idea that it is a realm of experience and hopefully 411 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:25.359 learning and hopefully progress. I don't necessarily have evidence of 412 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:28.240 that part, but it just seems like why do it otherwise? 413 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:33.400 That is so true, That is literally so true. 414 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:37.400 I almost feel like before I started podcasting full time 415 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:40.359 that I was like clinically depressed. I was working like 416 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:43.599 twelve hour shifts at a hospital and I would come 417 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:48.759 home and just like zone out almost, And it's the 418 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:51.079 system is like set up to where you're just a 419 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:53.799 cog and a machine and that's how you feel. 420 00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:54.279 Literally. 421 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:57.359 I mean that's so true, especially the medical system, the 422 00:22:57.480 --> 00:22:59.839 way that they have people working those shifts. 423 00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.480 That's not necessary. There's definitely got to be a better way. 424 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.599 But it is more closely to how you would structure 425 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:11.319 psychological torture. So I think that the conspiracy comes in 426 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:14.319 with the medical stuff, where they don't want anybody to 427 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:16.039 wake up. They don't want the people working in the 428 00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:18.680 trenches to even have time to think about what they're doing. 429 00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:21.079 Just go, go, go, here's the book. This is what 430 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:23.359 we do in this instance, and don't think about it. 431 00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:26.319 There is no variance. Take your orders from on high. 432 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:28.079 We saw what that did a couple of years ago. 433 00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:33.359 But yeah, the medical one in particular is interesting, another 434 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:36.200 realm where they don't acknowledge the spiritual at all, And 435 00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:40.359 there's all these new emerging health systems where they're looking 436 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:44.119 at your emotional state. Have you buried some kind of 437 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:47.680 emotional trauma in you that manifests this cancer later? Like 438 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:50.279 you can't just cut and burn and poison everything out 439 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:54.599 of a human body. So yeah, that's I empathize with 440 00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:59.680 being in that realm. They work in a psych hospital. 441 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.000 They make us do twelve to thirteen hours, and then 442 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:05.799 they turn around and tell us don't have any personal 443 00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:08.559 connection with anyone, don't don't try and relate to these 444 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:11.480 people that are here for drugging alcohol abuse, and don't 445 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:13.440 try and help them or hug them or touch them 446 00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:17.279 or do any of the things that might actually help them, because. 447 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:18.480 Like, don't be their friend. 448 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.400 God forbid, you'd be a nice sweet person to someone 449 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:27.559 who's mentally fucked. Like come on, and you know, Heidi 450 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:31.640 this with you working there too, I feel like you 451 00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:33.920 can agree with this because I, like you said, I 452 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:36.799 worked like twelve hour shows too. You don't really get 453 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:40.480 Sunday off either, because all day Saturday you're doing whatever. 454 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:43.720 All day Sunday you're just dreading going back on Monday. 455 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:48.160 So it's like literally a never ending loop of just 456 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:51.240 like why the fuck am I doing this? Why the 457 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:54.519 fuck am I doing this? And I mean, I'm so 458 00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:57.519 glad that I'm out of that. But for all those 459 00:24:57.559 --> 00:24:59.440 who are listening right now that are stuck in it, 460 00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:03.000 trust the way that you feel is the way you're 461 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:04.079 supposed to feel about it. 462 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:06.519 I mean it sucks something. 463 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:09.400 Yeah, Oh sorry, go ahead, all right. 464 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:11.519 I was just gonna say, Julia mentioned depression, and I 465 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:16.119 definitely think depression is a natural reaction to something that 466 00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:18.559 you're not doing in accordance. 467 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:22.200 With your true will. Yes, I totally agree. 468 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.039 Me and my wife had a real tough my now wife. 469 00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:27.279 You know, then it was early. She could have got out, 470 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:30.640 but in the beginning she was like, you know, I 471 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:33.039 have real concerns if we're gonna get raw, and honest, 472 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:35.200 I have real concerns that you're never going to be 473 00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:39.920 happy unless this big hail Mary thing you threw, unless 474 00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:43.279 that works. And I was like, well, you're probably right, 475 00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:46.400 so let's hope it works, because you can't tell me 476 00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:50.559 to just change my attitude, just flip my attitude about 477 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:53.359 this thing that is sucking up so much mental energy 478 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:56.839 and physical time. As a store manager of game stop, yeah, 479 00:25:56.920 --> 00:25:59.680 you got the it's basically fifty hours a week plus 480 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.359 track time. Then you have people who are paid such 481 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:05.839 a low wage, they're all incompetent. You only have your 482 00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:08.119 choice of incompetent people to put in your store. So 483 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:10.640 they're constantly calling you when you're off the clock too. 484 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:14.319 It's miserable. You're making thirty five grand a year to 485 00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:19.160 run a two million dollar store. Your salary, the salary 486 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.480 of the boss of the whole store is a small 487 00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:23.920 little line item. It's like not less than the tax 488 00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:28.440 is paid, probably, And yeah, sorry, I am gonna be 489 00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:31.519 miserable if I'm stuck in this because I can't just 490 00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:35.599 pretend that it's a good life when I'm gonna call 491 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:40.440 to sack to nowhere in the retail ecosystem. Luckily it works, Yeah. 492 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:43.720 Hours a week and you're still eating taco bell and 493 00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:45.960 wondering how the fuck you're gonna make it to the 494 00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.559 next paycheck. Like, think about that, it's such a slave 495 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:53.200 system for real. You have time to shit in shower 496 00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:56.039 and go right the fuck back the next day, and like, 497 00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.799 its just I don't know, it's horrid. 498 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:02.480 But then I also think about, like if it is 499 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.279 a soul school, if reality is set up this way, 500 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:07.640 like we really just in that dark city sense, we 501 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.400 don't truly have a concept of anything that came before 502 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:12.680 us or anything after. We're kind of the center of 503 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:16.440 our experience. There's a story out there of what might 504 00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:19.200 have occurred before and all this, but you're really kind 505 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:23.839 of just in the experience. And if that's true, maybe 506 00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:27.440 it is designed to kind of let these people. And 507 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:29.079 that's been a thing that there was a thing called 508 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:31.160 the Hidden Hand material It was on a form road. 509 00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:34.640 I remember that, Oh my god, God, any. 510 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:35.839 Questions you want and I'll tell you. 511 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.359 And they, basically as pypologists for the elite, were like, 512 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:41.720 these people actually made a sacrifice to play the role 513 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:44.480 of the bad guy in this system, because to have 514 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.680 a good story there must be a villain. And part 515 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:51.680 of that is you need to push through the difficulty 516 00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:54.240 and push through the depression and rise above it and 517 00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:58.279 change the circumstance. That is the nagging thing, you know, 518 00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:00.920 the stick in the ribcaid. It's like, hey, come on, 519 00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.960 do something, move move. And so I almost have learned 520 00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:07.119 now that I'm on the other side. 521 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:08.319 Of it, it doesn't affect me anymore. 522 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:11.640 I've learned to appreciate that stage of life and going 523 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:15.079 through that, because otherwise I would not have been motivated 524 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.240 enough to do what I do now. And maybe this 525 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.200 is my true will to just at least create a 526 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:23.720 stage for important voices and then put them up for 527 00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:25.400 the people, and I don't have to do much more 528 00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:27.480 than that then raise the curtain and turn the lights on. 529 00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:29.319 Maybe that is my role. 530 00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:32.559 I'm comfortable with it compared to other possible roles. But 531 00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:35.759 maybe I just don't hate it as much as I 532 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:37.279 used to when I was stuck in it. I now 533 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:41.079 appreciate the process of taking a person up to a 534 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:44.640 higher level experience. So if you're in your twenties and 535 00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:47.359 you're kind of miserable, I think that's what the twenties 536 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:50.839 are for, is letting that feeling fuel something better into 537 00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:51.480 your thirties. 538 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:55.240 I know with mine, I choose to be where I am, 539 00:28:55.559 --> 00:29:00.400 and it's all about trying to focus on the people 540 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.359 there to try and actually help them because my brother 541 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:06.799 did pass of a drug overdose, and so that's why 542 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:09.200 I chose to work there, because I thought, well, if 543 00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:12.920 I can give something back to these people, and I 544 00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:16.319 am constantly breaking the rules, so it doesn't matter anyway. 545 00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:18.839 Like you said, you can change your you can change 546 00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.599 your way about it, you know, be human, like give 547 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:23.319 them humanity. 548 00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:27.400 Heck yeah, real quick, There's a few things I wanted 549 00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:28.880 to say, and then I did want to toggle in 550 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:31.319 Robbie Marx because we can't have more than ten people, 551 00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:33.279 and we do have another cult reject here. We just 552 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.440 couldn't fit them in. There was a couple of things 553 00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:37.440 I wanted to say. Those stuff that you said. One, 554 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:41.119 doing your will, I totally agree with that. I honestly 555 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:45.599 think if it may be hard at times what you're doing, 556 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:47.839 but if you love what you're doing, I think you're 557 00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.359 doing your will. Again, it may be hard at times, 558 00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:53.000 but you're still going to love what you're doing. I 559 00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:55.680 totally agree. And when you had said something I think about, 560 00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:58.039 I guess kind of like your idea, I guess of 561 00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:00.960 the reality you really you nailed it on the head. 562 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:02.319 It's like kind of the same thing that I've been 563 00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.000 trying to say. You just made it sound so much better. 564 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:06.160 I guess maybe as an Italian, I like to use 565 00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.960 the spaghetti strainer. But like I always say that, I 566 00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:10.920 consider like you take a light bulb on the ceiling 567 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:12.680 and you're like you throw the spaghetti strainer over, and 568 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.359 then all those little pin dots or all of us 569 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:16.359 having a separate experience from that one of the one 570 00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:19.759 you saw us. I like, yeah, yeah, so I do thing, 571 00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:22.400 and due to this, we're supposed to rise back up 572 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:24.680 that light with the with the experience that we've had 573 00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.880 here and bring it back and maybe possibly come back 574 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.759 with knowledge, you know whatever. That's getting a little bit deeper, 575 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:34.440 but still it is very very well said. So I identify, 576 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:36.279 you know, kind of identified with what you were getting at. 577 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:37.559 And I was like, wow, I like the way he 578 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.640 said that. But yeah, we're gonna Oh and then the 579 00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:43.799 whole thing with David Ike too, I totally agree, and 580 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.279 I think I'm so happy that you guys are saying that. 581 00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:48.599 I do think David Ike, as silly as it sounds 582 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.200 when he's talking about the reptilians from my experience due 583 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:54.759 to having magical experiences, I do just me. I do 584 00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:57.720 believe I've crossed the Abyss and had that experience. I 585 00:30:57.880 --> 00:30:59.920 totally get what David Ike's saying. If I want to 586 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:03.240 look at it in a gnostic occult sense, he's saying 587 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.079 the same thing. These people, reptilians are just people that 588 00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:08.440 are able to cross the Abyss and come back, and 589 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:10.880 those are the people ruling the world. I agree with that, 590 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:13.640 So I do I do see it that way. I 591 00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:15.559 just think he it's a little bit harder to come 592 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.039 out and maybe say that and still be popular. So 593 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:19.480 maybe he, you know, tries to do it in a 594 00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.400 different way. I don't know, but I totally also. 595 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:24.359 Think there's a big difference between how he started doing 596 00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:25.759 it and how he does it today. I mean, he 597 00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:28.279 wrote a book called The Trap recently, which I think 598 00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:31.680 it's like six hundred pages. Basically everything I said would 599 00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:35.720 be contained within that same framework, So I think I 600 00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:38.599 think his opinion and position has evolved as well. 601 00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:41.759 All right, Robbie Marks, we got you in so sorry 602 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:42.400 about that, sir. 603 00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:46.759 No no worries at all. Yeah, Hey, Greg Carwood, how 604 00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:53.160 you doing. As I'm an artist, I do art illustrations. 605 00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.480 I do a lot of festival band type merch stuff 606 00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.359 like that. I've been an independent artist for going on 607 00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:04.240 thirty five years. And you know, when when we talk 608 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:08.480 about this system of people just you know, as cogs 609 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:11.359 in the machine, and they come home and they you know, 610 00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.000 they don't have any time for anything else, especially any 611 00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:19.279 kind of intellectual research. Me personally, being outside of the 612 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:23.160 system and just doing nothing but research for the last 613 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:27.920 thirty five years, you almost in a certain way alienate 614 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.839 yourself from a certain subset of people. But at the 615 00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:36.079 same time, you have this creative motion of function where 616 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.480 you're constantly producing and making output, and. 617 00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:42.400 And there's good years and. 618 00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:44.839 There's bad years, and you kind of sail through this 619 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:50.000 sea over all this time. Do you find yourself constantly 620 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:55.079 trying to reinvent yourself or are you happy with a 621 00:32:55.359 --> 00:33:00.039 general production level where you're at now? You know, I 622 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.319 mean there's this constant struggle with you know, it's like sometimes, 623 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:06.559 you know, after thirty five years of this, I say, 624 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:08.279 you know, I want to run away and join the 625 00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:11.000 office because I worked twenty four hours a day, seven 626 00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:13.880 days a week. I'm always on call. It's just, you know, 627 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:17.880 it's a whole different lifestyle, but your work becomes your life. 628 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.160 Basically. Yeah, brass is always greener, as they say, but 629 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.039 as they say, yeah, I kind of agree with that. 630 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.880 When I was in Armenia with Graham Hancock on this 631 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.440 research tour, my website went down and I was in 632 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.160 Armenia with no signal and people are like, your website's 633 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.359 just completely not there. And I didn't have people at 634 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.720 that time to help, so I'm like, Okay, my flight's 635 00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:41.480 in six days. I guess I'll just hate the rest 636 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.240 of this trip until I can get back home. And 637 00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.880 you know that stuff happens. Your website is your store 638 00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:49.599 and you're the manager, and you got to make sure 639 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:50.400 it's always open. 640 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:51.359 Ye. 641 00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.200 But yeah, in terms of evolution, it's funny because I 642 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:58.440 am of two minds. Like I've said, it's a refinement process. Yes, 643 00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.599 I think I got better over time by learning on 644 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:04.680 the air in real time as I had to go. 645 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.200 It started as a comedy podcast where I wanted to 646 00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:11.639 talk to a group of comedians about conspiratorial topics. 647 00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:13.440 I quickly learned some of them. 648 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.119 Are just here to get airtime and they don't care 649 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:18.800 about these subjects at all, and the other ones are 650 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:23.000 more focused on making jokes. This isn't exactly what I wanted. 651 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:25.920 It's not getting deep in any kind of regard. But 652 00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:29.920 I was going through like Ari Shaffer, Joey Diaz for 653 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.880 people who listen to comedy podcasts like That's who my 654 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.360 early interviews were. And then I did Marko Tasari on 655 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:38.320 I was like, Okay, this is way closer to what 656 00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:40.119 I would want to listen to. 657 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:42.159 So it is a refinement process. 658 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:46.480 Some people would close down shop and open up under 659 00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:48.159 a new brand and all this kind of stuff that's 660 00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:51.159 what people do today because they know a lucrative podcast is. 661 00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:53.360 And how it's all got to be like polished and tight. 662 00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:55.719 But I really wasn't like that at the time, And 663 00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:58.760 then I had people send me stuff where a couple 664 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:02.119 other shows were like, hey, this, since mimicking your cadence 665 00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:04.719 and the way you do intro. So then I actually 666 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:10.400 honed down into an exact process so that that kind 667 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:13.280 of mimicry would be more recognizable, because now here's an 668 00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.400 actual formula that I use and I'm comfortable using it, 669 00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:20.400 and you know, I just there's so much vagaries around, 670 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:22.679 like is this person stealing the cadence of this? You 671 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.400 know a lot of people think Danny Jones basically took 672 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:27.840 the exact Rogan model and then applied it to the 673 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:29.000 stuff we're interested in. 674 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:31.400 Sure anyone can do that. 675 00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:33.679 People have been talking to microphones a long time. No 676 00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:37.079 one has a true monopoly on that. But you don't 677 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.199 like to see yourself copied or whatever. So I guess 678 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:43.000 I basically to answer the question, yeah, it's been a 679 00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:46.760 prod a process of refinement, but also I tried to 680 00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:50.400 standardize what you expect from my show like, here's a 681 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.960 polished intro that gets us in within two minutes. 682 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.440 There are no ads or no sponsors. We're going right 683 00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:55.960 to the meet. 684 00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:59.119 I try to use the intro to get further downfield 685 00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:01.559 than just saying, so, tell me your thoughts on UFOs. 686 00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.079 It's like, no, that was in the intro. Now I 687 00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:06.320 want to know your thoughts. You know your level eleven 688 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.639 thoughts on UFOs? You know what about these things that? 689 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:12.440 So I try to use the intro to really, with 690 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.800 a show that's broad, you kind of have to prep people, 691 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.360 prime them for this topic this time because it does shift. 692 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.920 But you caught me right on the cusp of moving 693 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.719 to video. We could call it THHC TV because I 694 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:30.800 think it falls well. But I'm still coming, like there's 695 00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:33.480 kinks to be worked out, but as of the first 696 00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:35.440 of June, it's going to be a video show. 697 00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:39.280 And that is largely due to the market. 698 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:42.679 Like I see all these shows that have existed for 699 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:46.760 half the time where posts don't even read the work 700 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.480 of the guests like I do, and then they're rocketing 701 00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.639 past me. And it's because things evolve and things change, 702 00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:55.920 and I'm being dragged, kicking and screaming into video. I 703 00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:57.880 will get better at it as I go, and if 704 00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:02.400 I'm kind of starting over, But it's partly what I want, 705 00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:06.440 partly what seems to work. So I know growing up 706 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.840 watching this stuff. I'm forty years old now, which is 707 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:11.079 hard to believe, but I know a lot of guys 708 00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:14.519 I watched and they got passed up by podcasting. You know, 709 00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.480 why wasn't Coast to Coast am Why didn't it convert 710 00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:24.039 to a podcast? Guys like Jeff Rentz and Alan Watt, Like, 711 00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:29.039 there's a lot of conspiracy centric people. Even I love 712 00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:31.320 Clyde Lewis, but I might put him in that category. 713 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:34.039 Two people who are like, we're doing radio shows, I 714 00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.719 don't care about this podcasting thing. Well, those people have 715 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:40.119 had a hard time maintaining an audience in this ecosystem. 716 00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:43.119 So I have enough awareness to see that and then 717 00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:46.199 see like what we're doing here and seeing when I 718 00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:48.199 appear on other shows what it looks like. And I'm like, 719 00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:50.760 my appearance on another show looks better than my own show. 720 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:55.519 This cannot stand and we must fix it. So I'm 721 00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:57.480 doing it from a studio. I'm trying to do it. 722 00:37:57.760 --> 00:37:59.920 I tried to do audio at the highest level I'm 723 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.039 capable of. Its not the best show in the world, 724 00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:04.480 but it's the best show I can produce. And I'm 725 00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:07.039 gonna try to do the same mindset with video, and 726 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:11.960 I will embrace and prepare for any other changes within 727 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.519 this space except pretty much AI. I'm not gonna do 728 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.199 the baby animated thing that people think is fun now. 729 00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.039 I think that that when you look at the whole 730 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.079 process as far as you know, you've been doing this 731 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:27.960 fifteen years now, and just the whole problem. I mean, 732 00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:32.280 it's an expansive process. There's gonna be times of dormancy 733 00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:36.880 and times of growth, and it's a developmental process, like 734 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.920 you were saying as far as the refinement. But I find, 735 00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:43.639 even after all these years, the only factor that really 736 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:47.440 bothers me is just getting old because I'm constantly coming 737 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:51.159 into the newness and the refinement and you know, this 738 00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:55.199 just bringing it, trying to take myself essentially, you know, 739 00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.159 and I'm sure like you two higher levels of understanding 740 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:03.039 and you know, creating more beautiful product. 741 00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:06.199 I agree, and AI is a little bit of a 742 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:08.920 part of that. What I don't like is people using 743 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:11.440 AI editing because it's just off putting to me. And 744 00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.400 this whole idea of, oh, just turn the person into 745 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:18.199 an animated baby or an animated be a reptilian for 746 00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:21.280 this episode, and they can match and sync the lips 747 00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:23.400 up perfectly. But like, we don't need to do that, 748 00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:26.400 Like people are people, and it's okay to just look 749 00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:27.360 at the person speaking. 750 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:29.800 But yeah, AI tools helped polish it. 751 00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.599 It's a little bittersweet because when I started, there were 752 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:35.880 very few tools, so I was willing to learn the 753 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.159 available tools and build things into my website, Like I 754 00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.719 built Patreon before Patreon existed, and it's in my website 755 00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:46.280 for just me, and then it came out for everybody 756 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.159 and now everybody has it. So it's nice because I 757 00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:50.960 have Patreon too and some tools I do use, but 758 00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:54.320 not having those tools is what separated the people who 759 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:56.840 are really going to go the extra mile from those 760 00:39:56.840 --> 00:39:59.599 who would get lazy and fall off. So it's made 761 00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.719 it easy for everybody else. But I definitely take advantage 762 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.480 of some of those tools too, and having kids, it's like, yeah, 763 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.119 anything to make it easier. 764 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:07.519 AI. 765 00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:10.199 I'm not at the point and probably won't get to 766 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:11.800 the point, like I'm always going to read the book. 767 00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:13.639 It's part of my process. It must happen. 768 00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:16.119 But now people who don't want to read the book 769 00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:18.840 can do an AI summary and act like they know 770 00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:21.679 a little bit more and invests just a third of 771 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.480 the time. So that's frustrating for a person who's actually 772 00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.440 reading the book. But I don't trust AI to pull 773 00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:30.639 out that one line on page eighty nine that I 774 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:33.800 want to ask about, because you know, you can't trust 775 00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:35.840 them to know the AI to know what's right. Will 776 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.440 it get better, sure, whatever, But what I think AI 777 00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:41.360 is cool for is like I interviewed doctor Stephen Skinner, 778 00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:46.719 who I think most people know, and he's a scholar 779 00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:52.320 of Western esotericism and he's translated a lot of books, 780 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.880 and I think that's amazing. When I interviewed him, it 781 00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:56.599 was like the first time I was like, Wow, there's 782 00:40:56.599 --> 00:41:00.840 still all this magical literature, occult litter and all these 783 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:03.760 other languages that has not been translated because a lot 784 00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:06.440 of times or mistranslated because the people looking at it 785 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.320 don't even believe in magic, so you get one word 786 00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:12.480 wrong and it doesn't mean anything. So I do think 787 00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:15.719 AI in that regard is really interesting. Let's put it 788 00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:18.480 all through. Let's ask chatch deeply at least get us 789 00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:20.719 a starting place. You know, you could take in a 790 00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:24.039 day a bunch of stuff that isn't translated. Anyone could 791 00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:26.400 as long as you have access to the initial digitized 792 00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:29.960 file of something, whether it's Latin or whatever, like play 793 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:30.559 around with it. 794 00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:32.639 And we have now got tools where we can. 795 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:38.039 Resurrect old rituals or old occult understandings that. 796 00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:41.239 Weren't meant for anybody else. Yes, yeah, you can do 797 00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:42.440 it instantly. 798 00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.239 I've thought about that because I've gone down to the 799 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:48.159 bin Key Library that was in Yale, that's over in Yale, 800 00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:51.280 and like I've actually like touched like certain like Heimrikouonroth 801 00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.760 books and you know, like and taken pictures and videos 802 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:56.519 of these things. I'm like, yo, if I could probably 803 00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.880 get somehow aid to like maybe like trying to trensk 804 00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.000 right that. Yeah, it's pretty impressive. 805 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:02.960 Now. 806 00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:05.519 I did see that they had an AI that was 807 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:12.039 specifically working on the uh, the Sumerian clay tablets to translate, 808 00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:14.719 because there's hundreds of thousands of those, so you're just 809 00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:16.920 skiining them in and they have an AI that to 810 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:20.079 actively translate. So we're gonna have some more you know, 811 00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:24.000 epic of Gilgamesh and kind of this library of Ashabonopaul 812 00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:27.159 that's gonna proceed to come forth that they didn't even 813 00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:29.679 know about in the late eighteen hundreds. As far as 814 00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:30.760 Yes America, you know. 815 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:34.559 I would be a little careful with that stuff because 816 00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:39.639 you still have an interpretation from academia presenting something on 817 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:43.360 Discovery Channel. This is the new understanding. It's barely different 818 00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:45.760 than the old understanding. But now we have it confirmed 819 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.480 because AI now that's gonna be happening. But you can 820 00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:51.920 do it yourself. That's what I think is so great. 821 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.000 And then you know, you could read between the lines, 822 00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:57.480 because I do think some of these programs have a 823 00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:01.840 neutrality to them, but some of also don't. You ask 824 00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:04.280 a lot of these programs what happened on nine to eleven? 825 00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.320 Might as well might as well ask Chris Wallace or 826 00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:10.719 Anderson Cooper, because they will give you their answer. You know, 827 00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:13.599 there's a consensus answer. That's what it's good for in 828 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.199 those kind of situations, and then there's a you know, 829 00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:19.639 a more alternative answer. But I think with translations, that's 830 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:23.519 so mathematical in a sense that I do think that 831 00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:26.199 you can trust it to get some things right. But 832 00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:27.880 they're going to try to shut a lot of that down. 833 00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.679 But yeah, you know you have access to it right now. 834 00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:36.920 Real quick, real quick. If you don't just getting real quick, 835 00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:39.800 I'm just going to remove Robbie, bring Julia back, and 836 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:42.159 I think at LIASA did happen at Lisa did have 837 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:44.239 a question real quick too, and then we'll get to 838 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:44.760 somebody else. 839 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:49.000 Yes, I wanted to build upon what everybody has been 840 00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:52.840 saying lately, and then what you had said right now, Greg. 841 00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:56.079 And then so over the years you have interviewed like 842 00:43:56.159 --> 00:44:01.199 an enormous amount of alternative researchers, do you notice any 843 00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:06.840 like metapatterns, synchronicities, something that points to a deeper structure 844 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:10.440 within this conspiracy ecosystem. 845 00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:11.800 To use that word that you use itself. 846 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.039 And then the second parts of the question is with 847 00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:18.719 all the fringe thinkers that you have interviewed and in 848 00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:23.519 this age of conspiratuality and to distill down even further 849 00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:27.440 these algorithm driven bubbles, do you see like a deliberate 850 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:34.320 hypernormalization or is it all just like ontological paralysis rather 851 00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:36.119 than just plainal censorship. 852 00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:41.960 Oh man, well, some of that speaks to like I 853 00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:44.000 just did a live event with Gordon White, and the 854 00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:47.960 whole subject was the conspiracy canon. It was his idea. 855 00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:51.119 But how has the canon changed over time, like you know, 856 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:54.800 like a film canon or whatever. And it makes you 857 00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:56.880 think a lot of it is just the impact of 858 00:44:57.119 --> 00:44:59.559 algorithms and the Internet, like you have to have the 859 00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:04.320 most explosive thing, not the truest thing, and you know, 860 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:05.559 just to take it from the top. 861 00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:07.679 Back in the day there was JFK. 862 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:09.519 You can bring it up to nine to eleven, but 863 00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:12.360 a lot of it's the CIA and the economic hitman 864 00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.800 type of stuff. Maybe a little eufology peppered in there, 865 00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:20.280 but there's a canon of a dozen or so events 866 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:23.119 and subjects that people are looking at under the microscope, 867 00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:27.239 and that's it. You go to conspiracy Con in nineteen 868 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.800 ninety five, that's who you're talking to, you know, minus 869 00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:33.400 the nine to eleven thing. Moon landing, yeah, might be included, 870 00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:37.320 But now it is all about the iceberg and like 871 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:40.199 what's the craziest idea. It's not even about like what 872 00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:43.039 is the truth? It's like, what is the craziest thought 873 00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.039 I can have? And then how can I make that 874 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:49.119 seem like the reality? And that's difficult because that's not 875 00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.119 exactly what I ever really wanted to do. I thought 876 00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.679 the truth was kind of crazy enough, But now we're 877 00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:57.679 talking about just all kinds of things I never thought 878 00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:01.360 would enter the conversation, Like people like our virus is 879 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:01.960 even real? 880 00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:04.920 Is the past even real at all? 881 00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:05.119 Like? 882 00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:08.440 Was there an extra thousand years inserted into the system? 883 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:13.039 Was there a lost society of amazing architects who knew 884 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:14.800 about the ether that have been wiped out of the 885 00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:18.239 history books And a lot of that can't exist because 886 00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:21.079 the system has been so highly controlled, And the further 887 00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:23.519 you go back, the more control. A lot of our 888 00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:27.320 history comes from, like three guys Scallenger and a couple 889 00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:31.000 of other monks in the Vatican basement, Like not exactly 890 00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:35.039 truthful sources. What do I know about Herodonis as a person? 891 00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:38.920 You know, like not anything? Did he genuinely just want 892 00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:41.719 to write down everything that happened? Or was he working 893 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:43.920 for an empire that wanted him to write it a 894 00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.360 certain way? We should probably know because that's kind of 895 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:49.039 the only source we have for a lot of things 896 00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:51.960 we take for granted. So I understand why that exists 897 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.280 and we can't play with it a little bit. But 898 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:58.920 it's a little disappointing that sometimes the people who get 899 00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:02.519 attention to the conspiracy spirit today, they're not really in 900 00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:06.119 it for the truth. They're more pranksters, and they're more trying. 901 00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.400 They are trying to ontologically shock people, but it isn't 902 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:12.519 about there being a fundamental truth to what they're saying. 903 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.199 In some cases, and not to name names, but it's 904 00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:18.719 just something we have to compete with. We have to 905 00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:24.480 try to be genuine and truth seeking and entertaining and 906 00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:29.440 actually explaining some thing to people, but also compete with 907 00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:32.400 ones who are just trying to be shocking, getting the 908 00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:34.760 best thumbnail and all that kind of shit. I never 909 00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:38.159 wanted to get into thumbnails and nonsense like that. I 910 00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:41.360 have one hundred thousand YouTube subscribers and it's just audio. 911 00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:45.679 I mean, that's pretty crazy, and obviously I'm going to 912 00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:49.320 pivot that, but it's just like now I can't even 913 00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:51.760 get five thousand people to watch a video. I don't 914 00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:53.840 care that much about YouTube because I don't do ads, 915 00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:56.119 so who cares. As long as people pay for the 916 00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:58.760 extended version of the show, that's what I am in 917 00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:02.400 the business for. But because it's not ad base, that 918 00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:04.639 doesn't matter. So I'm not really playing the chase the 919 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.639 algorithm game. And also it's not genuine and I think 920 00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:10.360 that the worst thing I could do is like go 921 00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:14.280 in some disingenuous direction. But yeah, that's kind of some 922 00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.000 of the things that I think have changed, and it 923 00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:18.320 does make it tougher. 924 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.679 May I ask as a follow up to that, there 925 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:28.239 seems to be like a long time conspiracy theory theory 926 00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:32.760 if you will to where if you mention anything related 927 00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.480 to something conspiratorial that someone isn't familiar with, let alone 928 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:41.480 use that phrase, they try to put you into a box. 929 00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:47.159 And kind of second part is this cultural phenomenon that 930 00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:51.719 now we're dealing with more frequently where there's like a 931 00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:56.559 trigger conspiracy where if you are rightfully angry at your 932 00:48:56.639 --> 00:49:01.039 own exploitation and step out of line, people will kind 933 00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:06.280 of put you into that same box as this conspiracy 934 00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:10.039 theory idea. I just wanted to ask what your experience 935 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:11.280 has been with that. 936 00:49:11.920 --> 00:49:15.840 Well on the second point, the trigger, yeah, I definitely 937 00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:18.039 think so part of that is like the ignorance is 938 00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:20.239 bliss thing. A lot of people don't want to be 939 00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.679 confronted with the fact that they might not be happy 940 00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:27.400 living the life they're living, and so you see someone 941 00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:29.440 like I have friends like this at the time, they 942 00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:33.039 were working store manager jobs and they are happy or 943 00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:34.639 they seem happy, and I'm the one who's not. 944 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:36.400 You don't always want to be around that. 945 00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:38.760 You don't want to be reminded that we're all getting 946 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:41.039 to be thirty years old and we all run million 947 00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:41.920 dollar stores. 948 00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:42.920 And none of us can own a home. 949 00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:43.519 Guys. 950 00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:44.679 You know, that's the kind of. 951 00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:48.280 Stuff I would say at these regional meetings with other managers, 952 00:49:48.320 --> 00:49:50.559 and like, stop drinking the kool aid so much. If 953 00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:53.320 we're here next year, we all fucked up, guys, this 954 00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:55.360 is the year to get out of this. That's the 955 00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:57.840 kind of shit I would say. And some people were like, 956 00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.559 I like this guy, and other people really didn't want 957 00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:02.960 to be reminded that they shouldn't be happy in the 958 00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:05.360 situation they are because changing it is so hard. 959 00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:06.400 That's why. 960 00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:10.639 It's because you have a five percent chance of probably 961 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:13.920 making it and getting out because the system is crafted 962 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.800 that way. So yeah, people don't like that. But also 963 00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:20.559 the triggering kind of conspiracy thing makes me think of 964 00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:24.079 the archetype they would present to us in movies and TV, 965 00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:28.440 where it's like you're a paranoid, schizophrenic, crazy person, and 966 00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:32.079 that kind of enforces the idea, don't look at this stuff, 967 00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:36.599 just leave it alone, live your nice, comfortable, regular life 968 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:39.400 where you have your brain intact. Because look at this guy. 969 00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:41.599 He went down a few two rabbit holes. Now he's 970 00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:43.760 going to the padded room on the funny farm. You know, 971 00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:46.760 those are the terms they would use. So even I 972 00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:49.199 think about the poster for I never even saw the 973 00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:51.360 movie The Number twenty three with Jim Carrey, but I 974 00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:53.320 didn't really have to see it. You just know from 975 00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:57.800 the marketing what was about noticing patterns and then spinning 976 00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:00.840 off in a crazy land, So like, don't notice patterns, guys, 977 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:04.639 just stop trying to do that. So yeah, I think 978 00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.800 that it's partly the archetype they showed people to keep 979 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.119 them from going down those rabbit holes. But then it's 980 00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:13.320 also people are willing to accept that archetype because they 981 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:15.920 want to believe that that's not going to serve them better. 982 00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:18.280 And that's kind of when I started the show. I 983 00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:19.960 was like, well, if we're going to get a more 984 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.199 accurate worldview out of all this, if we're going to 985 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.440 get a better roadmap for how things actually work, then 986 00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:27.320 it should improve your life. 987 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:27.679 In some way. 988 00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:30.719 I'm not saying we're going to change the system since 989 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:33.039 has been going a long time. Empire is going to 990 00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:36.559 do what empire does. But how can you reorient yourself? 991 00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:39.519 How can you let it not affect you as much? 992 00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:41.800 Maybe you can dodge this bullet, but you get hit 993 00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:44.440 by these two. There's so many things going on, Like 994 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:46.599 if you can just dodge some of the big stuff 995 00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:49.800 or know what you want, then you can start to 996 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:51.599 get there. Know that you don't want to waste the 997 00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:53.719 time on the couch at night. It's not fulfilling to you. 998 00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:57.559 The job isn't fulfilling. You have to generate those earlier 999 00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:01.079 feelings that we talked about that something must change to 1000 00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:01.840 then change it. 1001 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:03.519 So, but it's scary. 1002 00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.960 It's just scary to even confront that possibility that you 1003 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:08.519 have to take your life in your own hands, because 1004 00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:11.199 you just what if it doesn't work out? You know, 1005 00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:14.000 I'd rather be at least safe here at home and 1006 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:17.719 unhappy than homeless or something like that, because you just 1007 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:21.039 you imagine yourself being just as unhappy but with less 1008 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:25.000 stuff too. It's like, well that's worse, I guess so, 1009 00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:27.800 And the first thing you were talking about being put 1010 00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:30.280 in the box and using certain terms are It's like, 1011 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:32.360 are you talking about Like if you even think that 1012 00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:34.840 we should do safety tests, then you're an anti vaxer. 1013 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.400 Like there are those boxes that people get put into 1014 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:39.960 flat Earth. There's another one. If you think that there's 1015 00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:43.960 just something up with the way NASA is presenting the 1016 00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.679 larger system. We have this blue marble picture from the 1017 00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:49.360 nineteen seventies. They said is a picture of Earth, but 1018 00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:51.679 then they said it's not. It's a composite. And now 1019 00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:54.119 Earth's an oblate speroid. But I've never seen an oblate 1020 00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:56.239 spir speroid picture. 1021 00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:56.400 Of the Earth. 1022 00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:58.119 It's like, what is going on there? 1023 00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:00.159 You know, just because you have some questions about how 1024 00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:04.199 things are presented doesn't mean you're a flat earther. But yeah, 1025 00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:08.559 this is the tendency. That's the way the mainstream marginalizes everyone. 1026 00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:11.239 It used to be just the term conspiracy theorist in general, 1027 00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:13.880 it is a CIA created term to be like, oh, 1028 00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:16.639 that person doesn't go for the facts. They're a conspiracy theorist, 1029 00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:19.719 dot connector down in rabbit oles, this and that. How 1030 00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:22.119 you handwave of it and dismiss those kind of people, 1031 00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:26.960 but there are now ones for basically each individual topic, 1032 00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:31.079 which is interesting if you yeah, the anti vaxxer, the 1033 00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:35.320 flat earther, now there's the germ theory thing, there's oh, 1034 00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:36.639 you're a tartaria person. 1035 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:38.960 It's just it's all straw men. 1036 00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:39.239 You know. 1037 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:42.159 That's kind of classic dismissal if you don't want to 1038 00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:44.360 confront something. But yeah, it's also nice to try to 1039 00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:48.119 avoid making it easier for them to put you in 1040 00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:50.760 those boxes, because the answer is to try to get 1041 00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:53.800 to the nuance of certain points and then get people 1042 00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:56.039 to think outside of their pre program box. 1043 00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:02.280 They're the ones in the box, not us. Well said, 1044 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:05.679 did anybody else have any questions? 1045 00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:08.159 Oh? 1046 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:13.400 Yeah, sure, appreciate Greg carl Well again, JJ Vance not. 1047 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.639 The vice president. Great to meet you, sir. I enjoyed 1048 00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:20.039 hearing about your your journey there. I I would like 1049 00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:21.719 to hear some of your thoughts maybe on some of 1050 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:23.760 the how your thoughts have evolved on some of these 1051 00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:27.679 subjects you've covered, and notably in particular, loader a topic 1052 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:30.960 that I discovered from your show years ago on the 1053 00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.280 work of Adam go rightly in your in your interviews 1054 00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:37.440 and collaborations with him. The topic was Tuesday. Well and Julia, 1055 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:41.039 Julie and I recently uh got subjects. 1056 00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:47.599 Wow, wow you really are going back probably deep cut? 1057 00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:48.679 Yeah, deep cut. 1058 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:52.280 Well, let's just say about Adam go Rightly. I like 1059 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:55.679 and appreciate Adam go Rightly. He at a time when 1060 00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:59.239 I I never really wanted to do the show myself, 1061 00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:01.360 but I have. I had a couple of buddies that 1062 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:03.760 were gonna do it with me, and they just weren't 1063 00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:05.480 as dedicated. So I was like, well, I guess I 1064 00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:07.039 will do it myself. But then I started to have 1065 00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:11.360 cycling co hosts. So I do a show every say Saturday, 1066 00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:14.599 and the first Saturday would be me alone, second Saturday, 1067 00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:16.920 this other guy, third Saturday, this other guy. One of 1068 00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:18.880 them was Adam go Rightly. So he was on like 1069 00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:24.199 every fourth show, and I'm way more interested in things 1070 00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:28.280 like James Shelby Downard. Now, I don't really like the 1071 00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:31.639 discordionism stuff because again, that's like a prankster thing. It 1072 00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:36.159 seems like an early QAnon type thing. And the way 1073 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:40.239 Adam would write sometimes I'm like, are you just again 1074 00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:42.920 like you don't believe this, It doesn't seem but you're 1075 00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:46.000 writing it, so like maybe it's true, but you don't 1076 00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:48.239 believe it, So like, what are we doing here? Like 1077 00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:50.320 are you just trying to be provocative? Are you trying 1078 00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:54.480 to entertaining or be truthful? But we had a little 1079 00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:56.360 bit of a falling out. Not I wouldn't even say 1080 00:55:56.360 --> 00:56:00.280 a falling out. I have no problem, but just a 1081 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:04.000 weird Twitter spat before the last election. And it just 1082 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:05.960 seems like he drinks. 1083 00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:07.000 The liberal kool aid. 1084 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:10.800 And he went on a big liberal rant to me 1085 00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:13.480 about like, oh, it's the right wing that's bad and 1086 00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:15.920 blah blah blah, and like they're all politicians. Man, the 1087 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:18.960 pendulum swings both ways. You don't have to do this 1088 00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:23.719 just because we're talking about an issue with corruption on 1089 00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:25.440 the left. You don't have to say, well, what about 1090 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:28.119 the right. It's like, we're not talking about that right now, 1091 00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:30.920 that's tomorrow subject. Today, we're talking about this side, okay. 1092 00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:34.159 And it just seemed like he was not willing at 1093 00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:40.320 all to confront the corruption that heads his own philosophical 1094 00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:44.000 leaning party. It's like, come on, it's on both sides. 1095 00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:48.679 So that was a little frustrating to experience. And I 1096 00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:52.880 think he has worse feelings about me from that exchange. 1097 00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:54.559 Than I have about him, because I don't take it 1098 00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:57.039 all that seriously. I'm not super vested in one team 1099 00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:00.400 over the other, but you know, it seems like he was. 1100 00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:02.880 And another thing that has happened to me is people 1101 00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:07.480 are so prepared for you to just become alt right. 1102 00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:11.119 They just they've been primed, so they're looking for it. 1103 00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:14.639 So when you criticize the other side, they're like, oh, 1104 00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:17.119 this is the transition, this is how it happens. You know, 1105 00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:19.519 all of a sudden, you're gonna be off there at 1106 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:23.159 Tucker Carlson. It's like, not really, but we have to 1107 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:26.679 be able to criticize both teams or whatever. But you know, 1108 00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:32.039 Adam Gorighty, it's like, you're a guy who probably i'd 1109 00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:36.480 say I'm pretty pretty sure, voted for Obama twice, voted 1110 00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:39.599 for Hillary, voted for Biden, and now you're yelling at 1111 00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.360 me on the internet because the people that head the 1112 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:46.480 left are being called into criticism. It's like, if you're 1113 00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:50.320 just voting for the mainstream party and the mainstream candidates, Like, 1114 00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:52.559 what are you doing in conspiracy research? 1115 00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:52.880 Dude? 1116 00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:55.679 Honestly, like, what are we doing here? You don't thought 1117 00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:57.159 it was provocative? That's what you did. 1118 00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:01.199 I thought you got very polarizing. Yeah, years ago. I 1119 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:01.679 didn't mean to. 1120 00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:03.440 It was a deeper cut than I thought there, Greg, 1121 00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.599 I apologized for bringing that up there, and we you know, 1122 00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:09.199 I have a similar take on Discordianism and his writings. 1123 00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:11.360 I like to I don't like to throw the baby 1124 00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:14.440 out with the bathtub, and you know, regarding Discordionism, what 1125 00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:16.559 I find interesting and something Heidi and I have been 1126 00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:19.400 working on is this looking at some of the genealogy. 1127 00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:21.519 You know, I'm a former Mormon, heid he's a former 1128 00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.079 Mormon looking at some of this occult genealogy of folks 1129 00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:27.119 like Parsons and you know, other folks within within the 1130 00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:30.960 Mormon sphere as well, like Carrie Thornley. His entire family 1131 00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:34.119 tree is pioneering Mormon families. And you know what troubles 1132 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:36.360 me is his associations with the Processed Church of the 1133 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:39.599 Final Judgment, because they certainly do act as similar to 1134 00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:43.119 an offshoot of some of their operations within creating chaos. 1135 00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:46.519 And Thornley just finds himself in around Atlanta, you know, 1136 00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:50.639 around the similar process activities come nineteen seventy nine. 1137 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:55.800 Yeah, I just I definitely tried that stuff out because 1138 00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.960 of Adam and our friendship and if he is interested, 1139 00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:02.119 I became interest. And then after a while I was like, 1140 00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:04.360 I feel like I'm just wasting time here because I 1141 00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:08.480 just don't know if anyone's genuine. I just had to 1142 00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:10.719 put it down, shut down to figure it out. But 1143 00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:13.159 it's kind of like a lot of the sixties stuff too. 1144 00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:17.719 I just like, I don't I just don't know. Especially 1145 00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:19.800 when you get into Dave McGowan. You just see how 1146 00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:23.159 many of the artists were the sons and daughters of 1147 00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:26.840 military intelligence, and you're like, absolutely, well that's an op 1148 00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:27.960 that's kind of how it's to be. 1149 00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:31.800 That's my favorite wheelhouse, Laurel Canyon. 1150 00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:35.400 And that same pattern applies to Seattle grunch scene as well. 1151 00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:38.239 So I mean it's it seems to be a circumstance. 1152 00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:41.679 These these same patterns from the McGowan identified and Laurel 1153 00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:43.639 Canyon seemed topplay elsewhere in music scenes. 1154 00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:46.400 Yeah, and I wonder, like, what's up with the grunge thing. 1155 00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:49.480 I guess the whole point was it grunges hippie adjacent. 1156 00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:51.920 It's just like, you know, do heroin and be a 1157 00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:53.760 slob and just don't care for me. 1158 00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:58.880 Love Courtney Love. She's cias a motherfucker. 1159 00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:02.159 Oh the whole movie CIA for sure, Absolutely. 1160 01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:06.000 Yeah, Courtney Love. John Pittash does some great work on 1161 01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:09.760 Courtney Love. And she was over in the UK selling 1162 01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:13.920 drugs at festivals. Basically that's what a lot of these 1163 01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.199 CIA plants in the music scene would do, is sell 1164 01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:19.800 drugs in the festival scene and wouldn't get caught because 1165 01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:23.079 they're connected. But apparently she went from that to being 1166 01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:26.039 a groupie to being married to Kurt Cobain, So it 1167 01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:28.480 gets weird. But now I think the big thing is 1168 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:31.280 it's crazy because I become an old man, I'm like, 1169 01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:32.880 I can't believe what the kids are doing. 1170 01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:34.480 But now you got like. 1171 01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:39.599 Little Zan, Little Zan now yeah, corporate drugs being branded 1172 01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:41.599 as the party drugs, Like, can't we at least stick 1173 01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:44.519 to things that grow in the earth, like we're promoting 1174 01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:48.000 xanax now it it's strange. And then the face tattoos, 1175 01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:51.360 I think that is like the last thing you can 1176 01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:54.880 do if you convince I mean there's other things that 1177 01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.079 they seem to be doing to kids that are permanent too, 1178 01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.519 but if you can convince someone eighteen to twenty eight 1179 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.199 to get a face tattoo like I mean, if the 1180 01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:07.400 so one of my big conspiracy premises is that the 1181 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:09.559 things they do are really just to ensure they never 1182 01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:12.760 have competition in the wealth game. If you want to 1183 01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:16.159 cut the knees out from someone trying to climb a 1184 01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:19.800 ladder of developing wealth and starting a business, get them 1185 01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:22.039 to tattoo their face, because that's going to be very 1186 01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:23.079 hard for them. 1187 01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:23.320 Now. 1188 01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:26.920 But I want to look like Posts Malone. 1189 01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:31.440 Exactly exactly Pete Davidson. You know all the girls love 1190 01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:33.880 Pete Davidson. He's covered head to toe in tattoos and 1191 01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:35.880 looks like a dupis. I should act like that and 1192 01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:36.639 do what he does. 1193 01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:39.639 I actually have a question for you that goes kind 1194 01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:42.199 of along the Laurel Canyon thing. If nobody else has 1195 01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:49.360 a question, I don't want to skip anybody's turn. Do 1196 01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:53.079 you feel like the podcasting world right now is Laurel 1197 01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:54.079 Canyon esque? 1198 01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:57.480 Because I do. I feel like there's gatekeeping. 1199 01:01:57.639 --> 01:01:59.800 I feel like only certain people can get to the 1200 01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:02.079 to only certain topics can get there. 1201 01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:04.280 You have to fit a certain mold. 1202 01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:08.679 Now, it's like be a Christian conspiracy podcaster, do this, 1203 01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:12.719 do that? Russell Brand, Joe Rogan hate to say it 1204 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:15.840 tinfoil hat. I mean, I'm just saying I feel like 1205 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:19.800 there's a moral Canyon esque behavior going on, and I 1206 01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:22.800 wonder what your opinion of that is. 1207 01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:26.000 Well, yeah, I mean, you're gonna get me in trouble. 1208 01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:29.159 But I do think that that's happening, so agreed. The 1209 01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:31.920 thing is that some people think it's sour grapes, like well, 1210 01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:34.280 why am I not at the top of the charts 1211 01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:37.519 and this and that, I'm no where I am in 1212 01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:39.800 the charts. I'd never thought i'd be on any charts. 1213 01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:42.679 And I make a really good living and I don't 1214 01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.800 ever take AD money. I mean that there's no one. 1215 01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:49.280 I can't think of another person who is as successful 1216 01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:51.679 as I am without going into the AD infrastructure and 1217 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:53.119 has done it for fifteen years. 1218 01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:54.719 So I'm pretty coming. 1219 01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:56.119 I think that's admirable. 1220 01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:59.880 But I do think there's a lot of like I 1221 01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:03.519 don't know suspect to say the least with like what 1222 01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:06.159 topics get big and like, yeah. 1223 01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:09.519 Well that's driven that's driven by somewhat the AD revenue. 1224 01:03:10.039 --> 01:03:12.639 And I'm actually talking to a guy tomorrow seven C's. 1225 01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:16.559 He does these big webs of connections that shows Here 1226 01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:20.480 are the major companies that advertise on podcasts. Here are 1227 01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:23.559 the people who own these companies. Some of them are 1228 01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:30.480 like Peter Thiel and Peter Too Technocracy and stuff. So 1229 01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:35.320 you have these very people funding the brands that seem 1230 01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:40.000 innoculous and innocent enough that are fueling podcasters to six 1231 01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:44.519 and sec seven figure wealth. That's a big deal. So yeah, 1232 01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:49.639 it's like it's definitely happening. And some of it is 1233 01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.960 like probably a bit of networking. Like you'll have some 1234 01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:56.079 shows where it seems like every week they're talking to 1235 01:03:56.239 --> 01:04:01.440 some CIA whistleblower or military intelligence with blower. It's like, well, 1236 01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:03.599 there's not that many of them to base your whole 1237 01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:07.119 show on a revolving door of these whistleblowers. Maybe these 1238 01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:10.960 are people who are seating a narrative in the alternative culture. 1239 01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:13.039 It seems like that's kind of what's really happening. 1240 01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:17.480 But Candice Owens gits me every time because I feel 1241 01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:20.920 like she she like switched up, like halfway through her 1242 01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:24.800 she was all trumping and now she's talking to like XCIA, 1243 01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:27.679 and like she has some good episodes, and I like 1244 01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:30.360 some of her research. Don't get me wrong. I'll listen 1245 01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:34.719 to an episode or two. But I just think that, yeah, 1246 01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:37.920 I mean, it just seems like Russell Brand is like 1247 01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:41.519 that everybody's coming out as a Christian or everybody's coming out. 1248 01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:43.840 It's like this is the thing to talk about. And 1249 01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:47.599 I wonder how if they're genuine, you know, I hate 1250 01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:52.199 disingenuine podcast hosts because it's like I want to learn 1251 01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:54.599 something from you, I want to like you, but you 1252 01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:57.280 make it fucking impossible because I don't know if you're 1253 01:04:58.039 --> 01:04:59.320 if you have any integrity. 1254 01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:03.079 You know what I'm say right, everybody, everybody knows this 1255 01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:08.039 is my big like whistle to blow within the podcast community, 1256 01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:10.719 I think, and I get some fair backlash for it, 1257 01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:13.679 But if you want to know the fruits of people's labors, 1258 01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:14.440 why don't you watch? 1259 01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:17.960 And then on top of it, if you aren't bought in, 1260 01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:22.039 like what Greg's saying there about like who finances who? 1261 01:05:22.199 --> 01:05:23.920 I always look at stockholdings. 1262 01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:26.760 I always look at all this stuff for these big corporations, 1263 01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:28.440 like who's playing in Who's field? 1264 01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:28.800 Right? 1265 01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:32.880 And then genealogy, As JJ said, you either butt your 1266 01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:34.480 way in or your blood your way in. 1267 01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:38.320 And that's the only two ways there is, especially. 1268 01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:43.199 In conspiracy pot or I'm sorry. In comedy podcasting in particular, 1269 01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:48.639 it's hard to find a comedian podcaster in the top 1270 01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:51.480 ten that doesn't have something going on. 1271 01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:54.400 Usually just really rich connected. 1272 01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:57.000 Parents, you know, isn't that crazy? 1273 01:05:57.320 --> 01:05:59.880 Brian Callen gets it all the time because Brian Callen 1274 01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:04.360 dad is a CFR think tank banker guy. But it 1275 01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:06.840 doesn't just stop there. I mean there's other ones that 1276 01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:12.920 have hedge fund manager fathers. And Theovon's dad was some 1277 01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:17.519 Polish aristocrat. It's like theovonn you know, you can't that's 1278 01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:19.719 the other thing. You can't control what your parents did. 1279 01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:21.960 You're born into this life. You're born into the skin 1280 01:06:22.039 --> 01:06:23.840 you're born in, and you're born into the family you're 1281 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.559 born in, and that shouldn't stop you from doing whatever 1282 01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:28.920 you want to do. And if your parents give you 1283 01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:31.280 a little seed money, I don't think that's bad. So 1284 01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:33.119 I don't really have a problem with that. It's about 1285 01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:38.159 it if you're using it to you know, do information, 1286 01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:43.519 you know, disinformation filtered out through your podcast. 1287 01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:43.800 Great. 1288 01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:45.599 But then the thing is is like Theovon's got this 1289 01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:49.440 dad right, who is a Polish aristocrat, and you can say, well, 1290 01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:53.800 his dad was like something crazy like seventy when THEO 1291 01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:57.119 was born or something really crazy like that, and so 1292 01:06:57.199 --> 01:06:59.039 he didn't really even know his dad very well. But 1293 01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:01.199 there might have been some benefits and some effects, but 1294 01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:02.920 he probably just wanted to grow up with a dad. 1295 01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:06.320 And now the internet's raking him over the coals for this. 1296 01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:09.719 But on the other hand, he is interviewing Trump. He's 1297 01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:13.000 interviewing the president. So what's going on here, because it 1298 01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:18.000 seems like those connections do management interviewing the president, well, 1299 01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:21.199 he already did. Oh fuck, he did a three hour 1300 01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:23.920 interview with Trump before he got elected, and right before 1301 01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:25.760 before Rogan did even. 1302 01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:28.639 Comedy store. 1303 01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:32.039 There you go, JJ, I want to like these people, 1304 01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:33.239 but there's just too much. 1305 01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:36.320 I don't know if I would lump Sam Tripoli in there, though. 1306 01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:37.960 I mean, I know you, I heard you mentioned him. 1307 01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:39.519 I was a little nervous. 1308 01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:40.679 I was like, is this a gootcha? 1309 01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:43.280 Because I think that the occult rejects and and and 1310 01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:44.960 Sam had a dust up. 1311 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:46.920 I don't know what it was about. I just know 1312 01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:47.800 he's been nice to me. 1313 01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:51.000 He let me live out some fantasies of performing at 1314 01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:53.559 the comedy store that I had no business doing. 1315 01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:56.079 But now I can at least write it off like 1316 01:07:56.239 --> 01:07:56.920 I did do that. 1317 01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:00.960 Yeah, I've met him a couple of I mean, I 1318 01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:03.679 don't have anything against him or anything like that. I 1319 01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:07.800 just as a conspiracy theorist in this realm, you have 1320 01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:11.679 to question everyone, like even any of us, you know. 1321 01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:13.679 But if we're talking about like who has had an 1322 01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:17.600 advantage by being connected through the system, I don't know 1323 01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:20.239 if Sam conforms to that model. I don't know his 1324 01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:23.039 parents or anything, but he strikes me as someone who 1325 01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:25.640 has just been putting in the sweat equity at the 1326 01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:29.159 comedy store for years and years, and then podcasting happened 1327 01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:32.159 and he transitioned, and yeah, he does a bunch of ads, 1328 01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:35.279 he sells memberships, he does everything he can do to 1329 01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:37.359 make it a career. He's also dealing with the LA 1330 01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:40.159 scene and like what that whole culture is. But I 1331 01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:44.520 feel like he finally had his energies and efforts pay 1332 01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:47.720 off in podcasting, and it was only maybe not paying 1333 01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:50.319 off so much or getting him to the middle of comedy, 1334 01:08:50.439 --> 01:08:52.439 or he was doing more of like putting shows together 1335 01:08:52.600 --> 01:08:55.079 rather than like being that. I don't know exactly, but 1336 01:08:55.159 --> 01:08:58.319 it seems like comedy itself was a lot more lucrative 1337 01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:01.600 for a lot of his friends than him and now, 1338 01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:03.479 and that's what I'm thinking. That's what I think. If 1339 01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:08.319 we're trying to assess like who is connected, who is disingenuous, 1340 01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:12.680 you know, who is using Daddy's network to funnel Think 1341 01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:16.199 Tank guests through to the airwaves. I don't put him 1342 01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:18.119 in that category. But I mean I also have probably 1343 01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:20.439 picked him bad. I think I have a pretty good picker. 1344 01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:24.520 But there's definitely times where after reading a book and 1345 01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:27.000 not wanting to cancel, I'm like, shit, I don't know 1346 01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:28.760 if I buy this narrative or not. 1347 01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:31.520 I have a problem with being two nice nice. 1348 01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:35.239 So sometimes people will come to me with a pitch 1349 01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:37.039 and I just don't want to say no, and I'm like, yeah, 1350 01:09:37.079 --> 01:09:37.600 we can do it. 1351 01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:39.800 Now, a show like Sam or a show. 1352 01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:41.399 Like a lot of other ones that are AD supported, 1353 01:09:41.439 --> 01:09:42.960 you just say yeah, let's do it, because you can 1354 01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:45.399 always do another one. I'm in the business of selling 1355 01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:49.359 five good interviews a month, so if I give three 1356 01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:51.960 of those slots to people who pitched me, and then 1357 01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.479 I'm like, an, this is kind of milk toast, I 1358 01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:56.439 still got to do it, And that's in my thing. 1359 01:09:56.520 --> 01:09:57.039 I didn't make it. 1360 01:09:57.239 --> 01:09:58.720 I mean, I can't say I didn't make any money 1361 01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:00.880 from that show, but it's it's the same as just 1362 01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:02.840 another SATVA AD supported show. 1363 01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:04.760 Another better help support your ad. 1364 01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:08.159 Yeah, sure to build a punk if I might had 1365 01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:10.760 a caveat on the weird scenes inside of the Comedy 1366 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:13.479 Store and in the dust up you previously mentioned there, Greg, Yeah, 1367 01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:16.039 I wasn't trying to redust up anything. There's a good analysis. 1368 01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:18.119 They were good assessment. But what I was referring to 1369 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:21.000 is the fact you got all these major if you're 1370 01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:23.800 a comedian in Hollywood for many decades, the shores, the 1371 01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:26.720 folks who ran the Comedy Store for many years, shores folks. 1372 01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:27.800 Yeah, they gave the. 1373 01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:29.640 Green light if you were getting on a Hollywood camera 1374 01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:32.039 in front of the camera as a comedian in any film, 1375 01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:33.960 like you were getting green lip by the shores, Right. 1376 01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:36.159 That's kind of kind of the way I look at 1377 01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:37.359 the weird scenes aspect to it. 1378 01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:38.520 Sure. 1379 01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:40.600 I mean Sam brought that up in the interview I 1380 01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:42.479 did with him, as he was like, think about the 1381 01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:45.039 He didn't get too deep into it, he was a 1382 01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:49.039 little vague, but he did say, like, think about that culture, 1383 01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:51.720 all the heavy hitters going back to like the Eddie 1384 01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:55.600 Murphy Robin Williams days, like everyone who's anyone is there 1385 01:10:55.720 --> 01:10:58.680 at the comedy store. You think that it wasn't infiltrated 1386 01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:02.359 by intelligence And he kind of left it at that, 1387 01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:05.000 but yeah, absolutely. 1388 01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:08.800 Yeah, to build upon that with what Jay you said 1389 01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:12.520 and what you're saying, it's almost, like you said, disingenuous. 1390 01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:15.039 We see a track record of the Alphabet Boys and 1391 01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:20.800 intelligentsia infiltrating every single faction of culture and influence, and 1392 01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:26.359 so it would be somewhat educationally naive to not think 1393 01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:31.600 that they have not infiltrated, especially the conspiracy realm, especially 1394 01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:37.880 the bubble. And on that whole premise, do you think 1395 01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:43.000 that potentially that the conspiracy algorithm bubble is kind of 1396 01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:46.720 like an mk ultra spillover and that they're programming people 1397 01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:52.800 through these conspiracy targeted I guess podcasters, and that they're 1398 01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:57.319 like like a psychotronic layer that's being exploited by statecraft. 1399 01:11:58.079 --> 01:12:03.840 It goes well beyond data mining. But now you've taken 1400 01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:08.439 the projects that happened in Harvard or in Stanford or 1401 01:12:08.520 --> 01:12:10.960 in Eslain, and now you've gone global. 1402 01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:14.560 Yeah, I don't know how much it applies to conspiracy 1403 01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:18.039 podcasting as much as just the Internet and social media 1404 01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:22.199 in general. Obviously we're all participating in that to promote 1405 01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:26.560 every show and every venture that people have, But yeah, 1406 01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:29.239 I think social media was kind of designed out of that. 1407 01:12:29.319 --> 01:12:31.479 I interviewed this guy Schwab a couple of times, and 1408 01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:37.119 he's gone deep on early cybernetics and just early computer 1409 01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:43.760 gaming and how it was psychologists and behaviorists logging data, 1410 01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:47.760 watching patterns, seeing how minds react to this and that, 1411 01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:51.960 and that's all like stuff from the eighties. All of 1412 01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:56.039 that is the data that gets used today even still. 1413 01:12:56.199 --> 01:13:01.079 So yeah, they're constantly refining in the conspiracy world. I 1414 01:13:01.159 --> 01:13:04.600 really just think it's the thing that's the biggest problem 1415 01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:10.159 is when a big show would have someone on for 1416 01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:13.640 a topic that should be more in my lane, they 1417 01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:15.840 kind of dip in and out of the conspiracy lane 1418 01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:19.920 every once in a while, and they promote a given 1419 01:13:20.000 --> 01:13:23.159 person and their perspective and their books and their narrative. 1420 01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:27.119 And that's a little frustrating because to a common person 1421 01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:29.520 it gives the appearance that like, oh, they'll go wherever 1422 01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:31.239 the story, they'll go wherever they need to go to 1423 01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:33.880 get the truth and it's like, I'm not sure that's 1424 01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:37.479 exactly what you're watching. But I said, I have gotten 1425 01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:39.600 it wrong before too. I know I've picked guests that 1426 01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:40.840 I wouldn't have on again. 1427 01:13:41.439 --> 01:13:41.920 Sometimes. 1428 01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:44.199 I also think, especially in the early days when there 1429 01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:47.560 weren't as many podcasts, sometimes there was just value in 1430 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:51.640 having on a person who maybe is connected and like 1431 01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:55.079 giving them enough rope to hang themselves with it. They say, 1432 01:13:55.439 --> 01:13:57.800 you could look at my early comments section be like, man, 1433 01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:00.319 I actually think I trusted this person when I only 1434 01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:02.600 saw them on ancient aliens or only heard them in 1435 01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:05.880 ten minute sound bites one hundred when you ask them 1436 01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:08.680 deeper questions about their work and let them go for 1437 01:14:08.760 --> 01:14:10.479 a full two hours. Now, I don't think I had 1438 01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:13.000 liked this person anymore or trust that they know anything. 1439 01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:16.800 And I'm glad you said. Yeah, that doesn't happen as. 1440 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:19.359 Much these days. But it had a value for a 1441 01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:20.199 certain amount of time. 1442 01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:24.239 I can imagine it was slim pickens there in the 1443 01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:26.840 beginning too. As long as you've been doing it. 1444 01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:27.920 It's harder now. 1445 01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:31.399 Back when I was doing it, nobody was asking these 1446 01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:33.760 people for interviews. They were jumping out a chance to 1447 01:14:33.800 --> 01:14:36.279 be interviewed on a show that sound like shit and 1448 01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:39.239 wasn't full of ads. Now, part of the reason why 1449 01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:42.479 I'm pivoting to video is I have liked to present 1450 01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:46.039 guests as best as I can through the audio quality, 1451 01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:50.159 the intro, this and that, the audience size, but that 1452 01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:53.680 video component is missing, and so I think it's harder 1453 01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:57.079 to separate. It's harder to see what's special about my 1454 01:14:57.199 --> 01:15:00.479 show without being able to show someone a video component 1455 01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:03.479 if they're not already familiar. When there's thirty other people 1456 01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:06.840 asking for interviews and lyning about their numbers, usually you know, 1457 01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:09.359 so many people just say, oh, I got a million listeners. 1458 01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:12.199 It's like you don't, because there's only so many people 1459 01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:12.560 that do. 1460 01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:13.640 I don't. 1461 01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:17.079 Even so you know, you're in the top one percent 1462 01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:19.319 of one percent of one percent, and I've never heard 1463 01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:21.439 of your show. It's possible, I guess, but I have 1464 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:23.079 kind of had my finger on the pulse of this 1465 01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:26.800 place for a while. So you're competing. You're trying to 1466 01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:29.119 get an interview with someone who is in high demand, 1467 01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:34.720 hearing kind of manipulated numbers from other people and having 1468 01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:36.960 a video presentation where they're like, oh, well that. 1469 01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:38.279 Looks pretty good. People are vain. 1470 01:15:38.359 --> 01:15:40.119 They want to look good, they want to be presented well, 1471 01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:42.840 and if all I have to show is audio, it's 1472 01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.399 a little hard to show how well they'll be presented 1473 01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:47.760 in that audio format. So it's another reason to pivot 1474 01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:52.119 is I think I might go back to being able 1475 01:15:52.159 --> 01:15:54.720 to get any guests I want, whereas right now I 1476 01:15:56.199 --> 01:15:58.039 get more nose than I used to get. I get 1477 01:15:58.119 --> 01:16:00.600 more knows today than I did years ago. And I 1478 01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:04.399 think it's just the volume that shocks me, the volume 1479 01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:05.479 of people asking. 1480 01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:09.960 And are you finding all of these guests yourself or 1481 01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:12.399 do you rely on or do you have an assistant 1482 01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:15.279 or anything else that's trawling the boards and stuff, because 1483 01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:17.640 that's a ton of work. If I interviews a month 1484 01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:20.600 and then reading their material or catching up with their 1485 01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:22.640 videos and stuff like that, that's a lot. 1486 01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:26.960 Yeah, that is the part of the job. I've never outsourced. 1487 01:16:27.159 --> 01:16:31.880 I outsourced the editing. I outsourced the clips. I have 1488 01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:34.439 a team who makes social media clips, and you know 1489 01:16:34.520 --> 01:16:38.000 how everybody's using the same AI little clip making things 1490 01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:39.920 now and I'm like, you guys, go ahead and make 1491 01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:40.640 them post them. 1492 01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:41.279 I don't care. 1493 01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:44.920 But other than that, I've never outsourced anything. It seems 1494 01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:47.800 like that's the thing that can't be outsourced. I must, 1495 01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.800 But like I said, people do pitch me and then 1496 01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:52.079 I just don't want to say no. 1497 01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:53.920 I can't. Mario has been on. 1498 01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:55.800 I can't remember if I reached out to you or 1499 01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:56.880 you reached out to me first. 1500 01:16:57.760 --> 01:16:59.880 I know you were familiar with me, which is the best. 1501 01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:02.199 The best is when I reach out to someone cold 1502 01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:04.319 and they're like, I've listened to you for ten years. 1503 01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:07.079 Oh great, so I don't have to make my pitch anymore. 1504 01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:10.079 Let's just do a good interview. And it's like I 1505 01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:13.159 picked them and they know me already. That's great, But 1506 01:17:13.239 --> 01:17:14.640 I can't remember who pitched you. 1507 01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:18.039 But yeah, you reached out to me, and it was 1508 01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:19.960 exactly that. I was like, oh, dude, I've been listening 1509 01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:20.880 to you for like a long time. 1510 01:17:21.039 --> 01:17:23.600 Yeah, that's the best. But I get emails every day 1511 01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:27.439 of it's usually from the same like pr formatted interview 1512 01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:30.000 of like we love what you're doing at the higher side, chats, 1513 01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:33.079 we want to introduce you to this person, and it's 1514 01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:36.479 like almost always I should just say no to those, 1515 01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:40.880 just on principle, like just don't just say a blanket 1516 01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:42.800 no and go find your five each month. 1517 01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:44.960 You know, it's really a big deal. 1518 01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:47.840 I see in the chat someone wants to talk about Twiman, 1519 01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:51.560 which I don't mind talking about, although it does get 1520 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:54.359 me in trouble because I don't choose my words carefully 1521 01:17:54.439 --> 01:17:55.720 and sensitive subjects. 1522 01:17:56.119 --> 01:17:57.920 People don't like you to just wing it. 1523 01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:05.199 Yes, Oh well real, real, real quick, real quick, Robi, 1524 01:18:05.199 --> 01:18:07.720 you want to know about Actually, could Robbie just go 1525 01:18:07.880 --> 01:18:09.760 first before we get into that, because I didn't forget 1526 01:18:10.000 --> 01:18:10.640 on the screen for that. 1527 01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:11.039 Well. 1528 01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:14.560 I was basically going to follow up on exactly what 1529 01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:19.199 Lisa was talking about in regard to this, as you 1530 01:18:19.399 --> 01:18:21.439 you know, you go back to the World's Fair and 1531 01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:25.479 there was the Nimrod Ferranti first digital computer. It was 1532 01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:28.479 a gaming computer and they've slowly worked it, you know, 1533 01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:31.960 and then you get into Norbert Wiener and cybernetics, and 1534 01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:34.880 you just follow this up into the modern you know, 1535 01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:41.119 DARPA and everything that's going on. And it seems that 1536 01:18:42.359 --> 01:18:46.560 since MK Ultra kind of had congressional hearings and they 1537 01:18:46.680 --> 01:18:50.079 kind of went underground on a certain level that you know, 1538 01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:53.039 with MK search and MK Naomi and all these various 1539 01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:56.279 projects that you know, when you look at like, you know, 1540 01:18:56.600 --> 01:19:01.760 various streaming platforms like Netflix bringing back the rested development, 1541 01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:04.399 and all of a sudden, everybody's on a commune and 1542 01:19:04.439 --> 01:19:07.399 they're eating mushrooms, and then you have the introduction of like, 1543 01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:11.159 you know, weeds, and granted, you know, marijuana is a 1544 01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:13.199 different level, I think when you get into some of 1545 01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:16.680 these higher psychedelics. But at the same time, it seems 1546 01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:22.199 like within the popular vernacular, very much like with at 1547 01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:24.560 the end of the Vietnam War, how they were pushing 1548 01:19:25.039 --> 01:19:28.239 tune in, turn on drop out through Yale marketing to 1549 01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:33.960 basically capture these protesters and take them away, empowering the 1550 01:19:34.119 --> 01:19:37.279 government per se. On a higher level, is there a 1551 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:44.079 conceited effort maybe to initiate the population as a whole 1552 01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:51.800 into psychedelic culture, into this occult kind of thinking, into 1553 01:19:52.520 --> 01:19:58.560 conspiracy culture or is it art imitating reality or reality 1554 01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:01.960 imitating art? And it's kind of a vicious circular thing 1555 01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:05.199 that just kind of is expansive within the natural thing, 1556 01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:05.760 you know. 1557 01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:07.640 I think it's a great question. 1558 01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:12.039 I have a lot of questions about that myself, because 1559 01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:15.079 I do find psychedelics to be something that breaks you 1560 01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:19.880 out of the materialist programming, and it's been hugely beneficial 1561 01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:24.479 to me. I would say the category of marijuana, mushrooms, 1562 01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:26.800 and basically in ayahuasca. 1563 01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:28.920 I would put those three things in a box. 1564 01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:31.439 I've never even I've done LSD a time or two 1565 01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:35.079 and people love it and they say it's very mushrooms adjacent, 1566 01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:37.399 but it is synthesized in a lab That kind of 1567 01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:39.800 freaks me out a little bit, like what is the 1568 01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:42.159 true agenda behind it? But really, I think anything that 1569 01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:45.840 breaks you out of your rut and your programming is good. 1570 01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:49.199 But yet they are promoting it for sure. 1571 01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:52.520 I was talking to one of my return guests, Kris Knowles, 1572 01:20:52.520 --> 01:20:55.000 about this one time, and he started talking about how 1573 01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:58.079 he's getting these emails about so and so university wants 1574 01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:01.159 you to come participate in the study mushrooms and or 1575 01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:03.479 at least donate to it, and this is happening, and 1576 01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:06.000 he's like, why are you being so nice to me? 1577 01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:08.239 And I just thought that was a. 1578 01:21:08.239 --> 01:21:10.279 Great way to phrase what he's talking about. 1579 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:12.760 I just like, something's going on here. You're you're being 1580 01:21:12.840 --> 01:21:15.439 too nice to me, You're talking about this too much. 1581 01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:18.479 It just doesn't feel right, feels like an op so 1582 01:21:18.960 --> 01:21:22.600 it's pushed exactly and I don't know why, because I 1583 01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:24.680 thought the game was kind of to keep people in 1584 01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:28.800 the materialist box. It could just be for that that 1585 01:21:28.920 --> 01:21:33.399 whole hippie movement thing like let's get people distracted and 1586 01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:36.880 navel gazing, so that it's another form of not doing 1587 01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:40.560 anything but feeling like you did something. You know, we're 1588 01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:43.600 so programmed to such a finite level that even just 1589 01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:47.920 having a level one Level two awakening takes people ten 1590 01:21:48.039 --> 01:21:51.239 years to unpack, and life is only ninety years if 1591 01:21:51.239 --> 01:21:51.720 you're lucky. 1592 01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:54.800 So and that's the thing. You know, You've been going 1593 01:21:54.840 --> 01:21:57.319 through this material for fifteen years. You know, when I 1594 01:21:57.479 --> 01:22:01.399 was thirteen, fourteen years old, I was reading Robert Anton Wilson, 1595 01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:04.800 William Burrows, Carlos Castaneda. You know, so I've been marching 1596 01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:09.079 down this road for like forty years. And philosophically, in 1597 01:22:09.199 --> 01:22:11.560 the long run, it helps you cut the truth from 1598 01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:14.920 the lie. It helps center. But for people just coming 1599 01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:18.079 into it, I know at times when I was coming 1600 01:22:18.159 --> 01:22:20.239 up that you know, you get you get caught in 1601 01:22:20.319 --> 01:22:23.199 these you know, Discordianism, or you get caught in you 1602 01:22:23.279 --> 01:22:27.239 know potentially you know, like Buddhism or any of these 1603 01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:29.880 various things you kind of spin off into. 1604 01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:33.319 And you become a juggernaut for that force. 1605 01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:37.960 Unpotentially you know, you know, and and so it's like 1606 01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:43.119 it's like just a bigger picture that is a long 1607 01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:46.960 road that a lot of people really don't understand in 1608 01:22:47.119 --> 01:22:51.000 regard to getting caught in these ideas, which I think 1609 01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:54.279 is where the fault is within all of this stuff. 1610 01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:57.439 Really, you know, yeah, I agree with you. 1611 01:22:57.880 --> 01:23:02.279 Uh, I don't know exactlyactly why they're promoting mushrooms in 1612 01:23:02.359 --> 01:23:04.640 particular is the one that I just find to be odd. 1613 01:23:04.760 --> 01:23:07.439 Maybe they're gmo mushrooms are going to introduce and they've 1614 01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:11.520 done something that sends you off into another direction or 1615 01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:16.800 melts your mind in an unproductive way. It's just you 1616 01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:19.720 can't deny that it's there. And the whole microdosing trend, 1617 01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:22.079 I don't know what that's about. I think the point 1618 01:23:22.119 --> 01:23:25.840 of mushrooms is to have a heroic experience, as Terrence 1619 01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:30.119 McKenna would say. But I can't say micro microdosing has 1620 01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:32.079 no value. I mean, I used to get high in 1621 01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:34.840 the parking lot before going in to do my job 1622 01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:37.199 because it just helped me cope with it. I think 1623 01:23:37.279 --> 01:23:40.079 some people use microdosing like that, but other people are 1624 01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:42.960 like I get my best ideas this and that, so 1625 01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:45.399 I try not to judge it, but you can definitely 1626 01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:48.079 see it being pushed and we'll know later why. 1627 01:23:48.439 --> 01:23:49.840 It's often how these things work. 1628 01:23:50.399 --> 01:23:51.439 Yeah, the venture. 1629 01:23:52.760 --> 01:23:55.960 As therapeutic, Yeah, exactly. 1630 01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:58.319 And it's the same universities who are involved in mk 1631 01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:00.960 ultra that are now doing their mushroom studies and this 1632 01:24:01.119 --> 01:24:01.279 and that. 1633 01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:03.800 It's definitely raise an eyebrow. 1634 01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:07.640 We're seeing a lot of mental breakdowns from the mix 1635 01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:11.920 of pot and mushrooms, and I'm talking full blown psychosis 1636 01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:17.159 for upwards of a year now, and we're seeing this constantly, 1637 01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:20.560 specifically with dab and mushroom. 1638 01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:22.479 Oh I'm so glad you said that, because that's what 1639 01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:24.600 I was thinking, because I do know a couple of 1640 01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:29.479 people who dabs became their daily ingestion of marijuana and 1641 01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:32.880 it did not go well. They spun off, lost their jobs, 1642 01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:36.039 stop paying their mortgages, lost their homes. 1643 01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:39.199 Just decision casualty. 1644 01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:40.000 Yeah. 1645 01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:43.079 Like I just always say, like, does is it serving you? 1646 01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:46.720 Is it doing? Like for me, marijuana serves me pretty well. 1647 01:24:46.960 --> 01:24:49.439 It might not always now, it just serves me in 1648 01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:51.680 the evenings to me and my wife are like, well 1649 01:24:51.720 --> 01:24:53.680 we got through another day with these kids, Like now 1650 01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:57.039 they're asleep, Now we're relaxing, and we'll start again tomorrow. 1651 01:24:57.159 --> 01:24:59.119 But like that's something that I feel like I earn 1652 01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:01.399 at the end of the day now. But I definitely 1653 01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:06.159 don't have the permastone lifestyle I maybe once did, And 1654 01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:08.239 obviously you can overindulge in anything. 1655 01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:11.119 Well, I think they're tainting it. I think you're right, 1656 01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:13.479 I think sometimes for sure. 1657 01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:16.800 Well, also there's when you get into Hourly and looking 1658 01:25:16.840 --> 01:25:19.880 at his background and the chemical research that he was 1659 01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:23.159 involved in. One of the substances that they tried to 1660 01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:27.600 introduce later was the substance STP that basically when you 1661 01:25:27.760 --> 01:25:31.000 take it, it's like LSD, but it wrecks you for 1662 01:25:31.159 --> 01:25:34.840 like weeks on end, and like people don't come back 1663 01:25:34.880 --> 01:25:38.279 from it, you know. So there it's you know, it 1664 01:25:38.399 --> 01:25:41.760 seems nefarious, But at times I think maybe they're just 1665 01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:45.479 trying to eradicate the populace to the point where maybe 1666 01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:48.760 they're spinning off people that are more inventive and thinking 1667 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:53.399 outside the box more so that we have more expansive possibilities. 1668 01:25:53.680 --> 01:25:56.479 But at the same time, I've seen the destruction that 1669 01:25:56.720 --> 01:25:58.600 a lot of this stuff has caused over the years, 1670 01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:00.840 and it's you know, worriesome. 1671 01:26:01.359 --> 01:26:04.039 So yeah, a lot of it is a numbers game. 1672 01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:07.239 They introduce something because they know X amount of people 1673 01:26:07.600 --> 01:26:11.680 will burn out on it, and they'll the ones who 1674 01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:15.319 get through, they'll find another challenge for those people. If 1675 01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:18.680 it isn't just the economic burden that we're under, it'll 1676 01:26:18.720 --> 01:26:19.399 be something else. 1677 01:26:23.159 --> 01:26:23.800 I actually had a. 1678 01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:29.600 Quick question, Greg, how do you personally reconcile rectify perhaps 1679 01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:34.439 the current state of how the conspiracy community or the 1680 01:26:34.479 --> 01:26:39.039 conspiracy canon maybe is a more interesting metafictional way to 1681 01:26:39.119 --> 01:26:42.159 sort of frame it. It's very decoherent, and how do 1682 01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:45.760 you define the contours of the truth what that means 1683 01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:49.079 for both yourself but also like as you were saying, 1684 01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:51.119 like what guests you have on like, how do you 1685 01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:56.760 decide and what sort of gives you the framework maybe 1686 01:26:56.800 --> 01:26:59.399 ontological framework to define what you think the truth is 1687 01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:01.680 and how you to present your vision and your show. 1688 01:27:02.840 --> 01:27:04.760 I mean, it's a good question, and it is a 1689 01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:06.159 case by case basis. 1690 01:27:06.239 --> 01:27:08.880 I suppose on a lot of subjects, but I usually 1691 01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:12.680 cite the line in the the theme song for the show, 1692 01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:14.600 which I wrote, is we know they're lying to us. 1693 01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:15.840 We don't know to what degree. 1694 01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:19.399 So you know, I might go to an eight on 1695 01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:22.000 a certain thing, but I've never really closed off from 1696 01:27:22.199 --> 01:27:25.199 the upper levels. It's just, you know, because I've been 1697 01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:27.479 burned before. I think we've all been like, no, I'm 1698 01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:30.479 super sure about this one thing, and then you're presented 1699 01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:32.760 with new information You're like, wow, I'm changing my mind 1700 01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:33.079 about that. 1701 01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:34.159 I never thought I would. 1702 01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:35.560 So that's why I. 1703 01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:38.640 Try not to get too attached anymore. But I think 1704 01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:42.119 that some things go to a level of silliness. And 1705 01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:45.560 you know I say that now I hear myself saying it, 1706 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:47.399 and it's like, well, you know, we throw out an 1707 01:27:47.439 --> 01:27:48.039 example of it. 1708 01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:51.920 The mudflood stuff doesn't really resonate with me all that much. 1709 01:27:52.119 --> 01:27:54.079 But then I'm sure there's people on this call who 1710 01:27:54.119 --> 01:27:56.079 are like, what, Like, that's my old bread and butter, 1711 01:27:56.119 --> 01:27:59.000 the mud flood. There's definitely areas where you can see 1712 01:27:59.079 --> 01:28:03.319 that buildings go down like they have been buried on 1713 01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:06.239 that first floor. Sometimes there's an explanation for it, like 1714 01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:09.880 the earthquakes that happened in San Francisco. Sometimes there isn't 1715 01:28:09.880 --> 01:28:13.000 an explanation for it. The World's fair stuff is really interesting. 1716 01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:14.760 I have lived in. 1717 01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:19.560 At least two of the major places. Saint Louis, and 1718 01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:24.079 I mean Saint Louis, Chicago and San Diego are all 1719 01:28:24.199 --> 01:28:29.159 big World's Fair cities, and all of them have buildings 1720 01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:33.479 which the official story says these buildings were built quickly 1721 01:28:34.319 --> 01:28:36.520 just for the World's Fair, with the intention of being 1722 01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:39.600 taken down afterwards, and they're still there, and they definitely 1723 01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:43.640 are made of real building materials. These aren't paper mache buildings. 1724 01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:46.800 So Chris and shit like that. 1725 01:28:47.359 --> 01:28:50.840 Yeah, and you can kind of start to put together 1726 01:28:51.079 --> 01:28:54.199 a romanticized version of the past where no, they did 1727 01:28:54.319 --> 01:28:56.680 know about the ether, and they did know about energy, 1728 01:28:56.800 --> 01:28:59.319 and these cathedrals were built to well up energy and 1729 01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:02.279 this and that. I want to believe some of that stuff, 1730 01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:04.560 but I don't know there's much of a record of 1731 01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:06.760 it at all. But then they control the record. So 1732 01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:10.520 can you really wipe out something absolutely? That's really what 1733 01:29:10.640 --> 01:29:16.239 you have to wrestle with. I think, can can something 1734 01:29:16.600 --> 01:29:20.000 like a whole civilization, a whole empire be completely wiped out? 1735 01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:23.399 There's a druidic erasure that people talk about, but we 1736 01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:26.199 all know the term druid. No one knew the term 1737 01:29:26.279 --> 01:29:30.079 totaria until like five years ago, so I don't know, 1738 01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:32.520 it does get to be a slippery slope. I try 1739 01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:36.239 to never close the door on anything as long as 1740 01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:40.000 it sounds like it could exist within the framework of 1741 01:29:40.079 --> 01:29:44.880 a soul's school reality that has pretty flexible physics. That's 1742 01:29:44.920 --> 01:29:47.399 what I think this is. So most things are on 1743 01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:50.119 the table. I just try to I guess I try 1744 01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:53.000 to be honest about if it's speculative or if we 1745 01:29:53.079 --> 01:29:55.119 have a pretty good case to make. That used to 1746 01:29:55.159 --> 01:29:58.039 be the whole way I would structure the show is 1747 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:00.920 here's the person who wrote a book book on Laurel 1748 01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:04.840 Canyon being in operation. Let's have them. I'm going to 1749 01:30:04.880 --> 01:30:07.279 help him make the case. I've read the material, I'm 1750 01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:10.399 familiar with it. Sometimes it's complex. Sometimes authors aren't the 1751 01:30:10.439 --> 01:30:14.319 best speakers. I'm here to help synthesize this complex material 1752 01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:16.920 for the layman, and you make up your own mind 1753 01:30:17.119 --> 01:30:20.199 how good a case we made when the interview is over, 1754 01:30:20.760 --> 01:30:24.720 and sometimes like sometimes it's ironclad. Sometimes it changes the 1755 01:30:24.760 --> 01:30:27.640 way you think about something forever, and other times you're like, huh, 1756 01:30:27.680 --> 01:30:29.720 if those are the best arguments for that, then I think. 1757 01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:30.560 It's a little flimsy. 1758 01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:34.439 And that's just kind of the general approach, I would 1759 01:30:34.479 --> 01:30:36.359 go about all the stuff we look at. 1760 01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:41.039 I'm just kind of curious in terms of what resonates 1761 01:30:41.119 --> 01:30:43.319 with your audience. I know you've gone through multiple eras. 1762 01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:45.680 I don't know how many, you know, fifteen years. That's 1763 01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:48.199 a long time in the world of the internet, you know, Yeah, 1764 01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:52.279 but like what really clicks with people, what gets the 1765 01:30:52.359 --> 01:30:55.159 most engagement and stuff like that, and maybe also to 1766 01:30:56.960 --> 01:31:00.479 what gets the most engagement and what resonates that you 1767 01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:04.600 didn't think necessarily would, what surprise you in that regard. 1768 01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:08.680 Well, what resonates that doesn't surprise me is like synchro 1769 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:11.640 mysticism stuff and really stuff adjacent to what you do. 1770 01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:15.560 I think people love to see those examples. So first, 1771 01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:17.359 I always say that I think a lot of us 1772 01:31:17.399 --> 01:31:20.079 get into conspiracy because there is a charge that you 1773 01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:24.159 get from your first like crack in an official narrative. 1774 01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:27.079 You're like, WHOA, something didn't look right about that. But 1775 01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:29.039 now I saw a documentary that showed me what it 1776 01:31:29.119 --> 01:31:31.720 really was, and that that has changed my life. Now 1777 01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:33.760 if everyone could just watch the documentary, we'd be. 1778 01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:34.319 Able to fix it. 1779 01:31:34.680 --> 01:31:36.600 That's where it all falls apart, because you have people 1780 01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:38.640 in your life who won't even look at it, and 1781 01:31:39.439 --> 01:31:42.439 when even ones who do, who definitely won't go there 1782 01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:46.760 or change their worldview at all. So the charge thing, 1783 01:31:47.279 --> 01:31:50.840 I think that charge starts to wane over time. It's 1784 01:31:50.920 --> 01:31:53.119 hard to get that charge again. It's hard to really 1785 01:31:53.199 --> 01:31:55.720 blow your mind with a totally new subject. But what 1786 01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:59.560 does it for me is synchronistic examples, because there's many 1787 01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:03.239 of them, and you're just like wow. The first atomic 1788 01:32:03.359 --> 01:32:05.960 test is called the Trinity test. It's on it's in 1789 01:32:06.119 --> 01:32:09.520 Truth and Consequences, New Mexico. It's on the same parallel 1790 01:32:09.600 --> 01:32:12.279 as this and that, Like you build a case. It's like, wow, 1791 01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:14.640 that is a much weirder event. And then you cross 1792 01:32:14.720 --> 01:32:18.960 over into pop culture and media and examples that pre 1793 01:32:19.079 --> 01:32:21.800 date this and that and the foreshadowing. The Lone Gunman 1794 01:32:21.880 --> 01:32:24.159 example with nine to eleven is a great one. The 1795 01:32:24.239 --> 01:32:26.720 Loan Gunman, for people who don't know, was an offshoot 1796 01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:30.359 of The X Files and the pilot episode. They lay 1797 01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:34.279 out a plan for nine to eleven and then they 1798 01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:35.319 just pulled the episode. 1799 01:32:35.359 --> 01:32:37.399 It's like, well that happened. It's like, yeah, I mean, 1800 01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:38.560 what's going on? 1801 01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:41.199 Are the writers of the reality script the same as 1802 01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:44.920 the Hollywood writers? I don't so those examples because they 1803 01:32:45.039 --> 01:32:47.960 keep coming up. I think are fun, and I think 1804 01:32:48.039 --> 01:32:52.560 people resonate with it because they like what excites the host. 1805 01:32:52.640 --> 01:32:54.479 I guess, you know, we're on this journey together. If 1806 01:32:54.520 --> 01:32:57.760 I'm excited and enjoyed, then sure. But I think the 1807 01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:04.159 surprising one probably is the health stuff. Like somewhere along 1808 01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:09.560 the line, I pivoted away from the naive thought that 1809 01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:13.039 if we could just tell everybody and get more numbers, 1810 01:33:13.159 --> 01:33:15.479 we could topple this system and everybody live in a 1811 01:33:15.640 --> 01:33:18.279 much better reality and a utopia and this and that, 1812 01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:21.479 and then I eventually was like, oh, no, that isn't 1813 01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:24.399 really what you do. You learn about this stuff so 1814 01:33:24.520 --> 01:33:26.800 that you can live a better life as an individual 1815 01:33:26.920 --> 01:33:29.560 and the people around you, and be a better example 1816 01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:32.640 of how a better understanding of the deeper world can 1817 01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:34.359 serve you in a good way. 1818 01:33:35.039 --> 01:33:38.880 And through your example, you buck. 1819 01:33:38.760 --> 01:33:44.319 That trend of conspiracy theorists looking like paranoid tinfoil hatters 1820 01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:45.680 in a bunker somewhere. 1821 01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:47.760 You know, Actually, no, I'm living a pretty good life. 1822 01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:50.239 And you know, COVID was great for that because I 1823 01:33:50.359 --> 01:33:52.680 even I mean, I'm not going to dig through it, 1824 01:33:52.760 --> 01:33:55.359 but I have I have some pieces of art around 1825 01:33:55.560 --> 01:34:00.279 that kind of really did the whole that signify the 1826 01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:02.439 meme that was going around at the time, really, which 1827 01:34:02.520 --> 01:34:06.039 is like, here's a conspiracy theorist and it's just like 1828 01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:10.279 a family having dinner. And then it's like, here's a 1829 01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:15.880 person who you know is a logical, mainstream thinker and 1830 01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:21.079 they're like wrapping themselves up in plastic bags while swimming, 1831 01:34:21.760 --> 01:34:24.640 and it's like, yeah, it flipped the script COVID did. 1832 01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:26.920 It was like, oh, the conspiracy theorist is the person 1833 01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:29.279 who's just living their life, not in a state of 1834 01:34:29.399 --> 01:34:33.199 fear and panic, and the regular person the norm me 1835 01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:37.520 as they say, is like going to clarinet practice through 1836 01:34:37.560 --> 01:34:40.399 a bubble and the stuff that you were seeing everywhere. 1837 01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:42.600 So that kind of flipped it. 1838 01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:45.159 But I like to try to flip the archetype of 1839 01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:48.720 the paranoid conspiracy person by living a better example talking 1840 01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:51.960 about this stuff without screaming and shouting like Alex Jones might. 1841 01:34:52.680 --> 01:34:55.800 And I don't know, I kind of lost the thread there, but. 1842 01:34:56.239 --> 01:34:56.600 There you go. 1843 01:34:56.760 --> 01:34:58.800 No, you brought up COVID, and actually I'm just curious. 1844 01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:01.279 Was COVID a boon THHC. 1845 01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:05.359 For a time? Yeah, for a time, so part of 1846 01:35:05.399 --> 01:35:09.199 the reason I'm doing the transition to video is numbers 1847 01:35:09.239 --> 01:35:11.439 have dropped off a little bit, and I don't I'm 1848 01:35:11.479 --> 01:35:13.920 not in any trouble, not that big of a deal. 1849 01:35:14.359 --> 01:35:16.680 I don't even pay attention to the first hour numbers 1850 01:35:16.680 --> 01:35:18.800 because I don't do ad so I don't get anything 1851 01:35:18.840 --> 01:35:21.600 from it. It's just a feeder for people who want 1852 01:35:21.720 --> 01:35:24.359 to get the deeper experience for eight bucks a month. 1853 01:35:24.439 --> 01:35:28.640 But the free show numbers have dropped since twenty twenty two, 1854 01:35:29.279 --> 01:35:31.680 and I think there's a bunch of reasons. I think 1855 01:35:31.720 --> 01:35:34.880 COVID is a big reason. So people say across the 1856 01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:37.079 media landscape, we were all stuck at home with nothing 1857 01:35:37.119 --> 01:35:39.479 to do but consume media. Everybody's numbers went up and 1858 01:35:39.520 --> 01:35:41.680 then they slowly went down a little bit when people 1859 01:35:41.800 --> 01:35:44.760 got out of that. The other thing in podcasting in 1860 01:35:44.840 --> 01:35:49.000 particular is that Apple changed their metric system. They used 1861 01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:51.399 to auto download all these shows for people, and that 1862 01:35:51.439 --> 01:35:53.680 would be a hit, and a lot of people have 1863 01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:56.439 said when they when Apple flipped the switch, their numbers 1864 01:35:56.479 --> 01:35:59.520 went down twenty thirty percent. Why not even that, I'm 1865 01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:02.039 not even in that big of a sit a bad 1866 01:36:02.079 --> 01:36:04.960 of a situation. But a couple of these two things 1867 01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:07.479 together are happening within the same year. And then add 1868 01:36:07.560 --> 01:36:10.119 the fact that I'm not on YouTube anymore really and 1869 01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:13.159 I'm not doing video. I think all those things contributed 1870 01:36:13.239 --> 01:36:17.800 to my numbers being down. But since the peak, which 1871 01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:19.800 was probably twenty twenty two, I probably had the best 1872 01:36:19.880 --> 01:36:25.159 numbers of my whole time in podcasting between twenty twenty 1873 01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:27.840 and twenty twenty two. I think that's probably common that. 1874 01:36:28.039 --> 01:36:30.600 I think a lot of people would say that interesting. 1875 01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:34.640 Also the competition, so a lot of people stayed home 1876 01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:36.359 and probably started podcasts. 1877 01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:38.560 Right, Yeah, that's a whole other factor. 1878 01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:44.039 Okay, Greg, I have got a quick last one. 1879 01:36:44.119 --> 01:36:46.039 I was told to make sure I get it in, 1880 01:36:46.279 --> 01:36:48.039 so I'm going to credit Lisa for bringing up the 1881 01:36:48.119 --> 01:36:49.359 idea of meta theology. 1882 01:36:49.880 --> 01:36:52.520 So I want to ask you, do you are you. 1883 01:36:54.159 --> 01:36:59.079 Hyper Uranian closed model of the universe believer or perhaps 1884 01:36:59.199 --> 01:37:04.319 a transpout tony in open expansive infinite in its expanse 1885 01:37:05.279 --> 01:37:06.159 universe enjoyer. 1886 01:37:07.039 --> 01:37:09.479 Man, I you're talking over my head, but if you're 1887 01:37:09.479 --> 01:37:12.119 basically asking is it a closed system or an open system? 1888 01:37:12.199 --> 01:37:15.479 I do think that's like a really fundamental question, and 1889 01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:19.640 people I admire thinkers, I admire and have both opinions. 1890 01:37:20.159 --> 01:37:22.960 Gordon White's been on the show a bunch more than anyone, really, 1891 01:37:23.039 --> 01:37:26.600 but we did an episode where he made his case 1892 01:37:26.720 --> 01:37:29.199 for that and said, like, the Earth is more like 1893 01:37:29.319 --> 01:37:33.760 a reef if you scale it up. There's a cosmic 1894 01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:37.680 ocean and Earth is just a shore on that ocean. 1895 01:37:37.800 --> 01:37:40.960 So he has like the it's an open system mindset, 1896 01:37:41.319 --> 01:37:43.920 and in the time since then, the closed system has 1897 01:37:43.960 --> 01:37:47.640 become way more popular. It's obviously the flat Earth is 1898 01:37:47.640 --> 01:37:49.640 a closed system. But even if you're not flat Earth, 1899 01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:52.159 you might believe in the Van Allen radiation belt, you 1900 01:37:52.279 --> 01:37:53.800 might believe in some kind of dome. 1901 01:37:54.399 --> 01:37:58.720 You might think the rockets don't go anywhere, So it 1902 01:37:59.279 --> 01:38:00.000 is kind of difficult. 1903 01:38:00.399 --> 01:38:03.840 Like with the rockets thing, that's kind of the where 1904 01:38:03.880 --> 01:38:06.159 I look for, is it an open or closed system? 1905 01:38:06.239 --> 01:38:08.439 And I think when you watch the rocket launches and 1906 01:38:08.520 --> 01:38:12.079 you watch them to the end, it looks like they 1907 01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:15.479 hit something or they spin out, Like if you look 1908 01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:18.159 at a drone shot a bird's eye view of a 1909 01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:22.359 speedboat in the ocean and the wave pattern it makes 1910 01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:24.119 behind it when it changes direction. 1911 01:38:25.279 --> 01:38:28.039 That is what I see with these rockets. I don't 1912 01:38:28.079 --> 01:38:30.279 see them slowly fade out of view and like go 1913 01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:33.159 off in the space. They seem to like do a. 1914 01:38:33.239 --> 01:38:37.640 Thing where they create a huge disturbance, as if they're 1915 01:38:37.680 --> 01:38:41.239 going through water, and that's just an observer thing. We know, 1916 01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:44.000 we can't trust of the observer effect one hundred percent, 1917 01:38:44.159 --> 01:38:47.479 but in this world it's something to go on. But 1918 01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:52.640 then it's like, so it seems like things come into 1919 01:38:52.680 --> 01:38:54.800 the system. And that's where I kind of get this. 1920 01:38:55.239 --> 01:38:57.159 Like a lot of my guests recently have been using. 1921 01:38:57.039 --> 01:38:58.119 The term realm. 1922 01:38:58.359 --> 01:39:01.640 They just say realm to get past flat earth, round 1923 01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:04.640 Earth thing. And I like saying realm because I do 1924 01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:08.159 think in kind of the older models, the Greek model 1925 01:39:08.199 --> 01:39:12.039 of stacked realities, like you go up to a spiritual plane, 1926 01:39:12.159 --> 01:39:12.840 like what is up? 1927 01:39:12.960 --> 01:39:13.239 Really? 1928 01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:16.000 I don't really know, but it seems like there are 1929 01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:20.760 higher dimensional intelligences that we have communications with. They're somewhere. 1930 01:39:21.079 --> 01:39:23.880 They're not in this system exactly, but very close to it. 1931 01:39:24.039 --> 01:39:27.920 The next system over, which seems to be described as 1932 01:39:28.039 --> 01:39:31.920 higher in some form or fashion. And so I think 1933 01:39:31.960 --> 01:39:36.359 I'm I think I'm an open system. Probably it could 1934 01:39:36.399 --> 01:39:38.520 be a closed system, but a much bigger one than 1935 01:39:38.600 --> 01:39:41.920 it's presented as. Okay, well, I have a follow up 1936 01:39:41.920 --> 01:39:43.560 for you, Greg, since I want to know where you 1937 01:39:43.640 --> 01:39:44.960 are on open or closed system. 1938 01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:47.960 I'm an open I'm an open system. I believe in 1939 01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:54.119 the infinite capacity for loving kindness. Personally, I'd argue with that, Yeah, 1940 01:39:54.239 --> 01:39:57.239 sure you because I followed Dharma, so you know I'm 1941 01:39:57.279 --> 01:40:00.520 serious about it. I may have that discordan that trickster 1942 01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:05.640 sometimes personality online, But the way I present my show 1943 01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:09.720 is it's a serious, speculative show. So I treat it 1944 01:40:09.760 --> 01:40:11.640 maybe the opposite way that you do, but I think 1945 01:40:12.079 --> 01:40:13.800 maybe in the same polarity. 1946 01:40:13.560 --> 01:40:17.319 I would I would describe mine as as serious and speculative. 1947 01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:22.239 I think you're serious, but I think you you really 1948 01:40:22.319 --> 01:40:25.119 go for the material and I and I really look 1949 01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:28.279 for the seed and sort of play with it. That's 1950 01:40:28.359 --> 01:40:29.800 sort of how I approach it. I mean, I'm not 1951 01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:32.520 saying it's definitely, it's not opposite. 1952 01:40:32.119 --> 01:40:33.960 To you at all, just I mean your best. 1953 01:40:37.359 --> 01:40:41.039 Well, I have a follow up for you Hyperspace Kingdoms 1954 01:40:41.159 --> 01:40:44.000 and the pink Ray. Where do you fall on those things? 1955 01:40:44.359 --> 01:40:46.279 Hyperspace Kingdoms and what was the other one? 1956 01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:47.319 And the pink Ray? 1957 01:40:48.039 --> 01:40:49.600 I don't think I know what the pink ray is? 1958 01:40:51.279 --> 01:40:53.159 Is that the thing people are seeing in their dreams. 1959 01:40:53.800 --> 01:40:54.239 Philip K. 1960 01:40:54.399 --> 01:40:55.960 Dick saw the pink ray. 1961 01:40:56.439 --> 01:41:01.239 Oh okay, I that's but yeah, but is that a 1962 01:41:01.359 --> 01:41:02.359 Jenuflex then. 1963 01:41:03.720 --> 01:41:06.279 Uh yeah, I mean it is from Jenny Flex, but 1964 01:41:06.399 --> 01:41:07.439 she was not the first one. 1965 01:41:07.479 --> 01:41:11.119 And we have it in Vadriana, we have it in Tragia, 1966 01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:14.840 all the contras, like all her like all magic. Basically, 1967 01:41:15.319 --> 01:41:18.399 the pink is a spectral color. It's the color of 1968 01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:20.720 the crystal millennium kingdom, if you want to call it that, 1969 01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:23.079 the kingdom of your so the kingdom of the moon. 1970 01:41:23.640 --> 01:41:26.119 So it's it's the truth in a way, and it's 1971 01:41:26.439 --> 01:41:29.760 the relative truth because it gives contour to the things 1972 01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:33.239 that arise around it and from it, meaning the crown 1973 01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:35.439 or cather So that's why it can also be likened 1974 01:41:35.439 --> 01:41:37.159 to a five pedaled flower, like. 1975 01:41:37.239 --> 01:41:37.880 A rose. 1976 01:41:40.199 --> 01:41:42.479 Anyway, So it's a it's a it's not a real color. 1977 01:41:42.520 --> 01:41:45.520 It's something our mind sort of projects onto the world. 1978 01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:47.960 And that's why it's best exemplified as a flower because 1979 01:41:47.960 --> 01:41:51.239 it only exists in time, which is also contained in 1980 01:41:51.359 --> 01:41:51.760 the mind. 1981 01:41:52.000 --> 01:41:54.159 It's only temporary spectral. 1982 01:41:55.439 --> 01:41:56.119 Very interesting. 1983 01:41:56.479 --> 01:41:59.479 When and the hyperspace kingdoms, then I take to mean 1984 01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:01.640 I mean what I would interview Tracy, we would talk 1985 01:42:01.640 --> 01:42:06.560 about it. It was always so Masonic adjacent that the 1986 01:42:06.720 --> 01:42:10.920 kind of the premise was that through ritual, a certain 1987 01:42:11.279 --> 01:42:13.720 group of people, maybe many, have figured out a way 1988 01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:18.760 to unlock spaces in hyperspace that you can repeatedly go to. 1989 01:42:19.760 --> 01:42:21.359 It makes me just think that they would go there 1990 01:42:21.359 --> 01:42:23.600 to have meetings that no one could spy on because 1991 01:42:23.640 --> 01:42:26.319 you're out of body in some space and maybe you're 1992 01:42:26.359 --> 01:42:28.439 living a whole life out there, because who knows how 1993 01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:31.199 time works, it does work strange in the dream world. 1994 01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:35.079 When people talk about Egyptian immortality, is that what they're 1995 01:42:35.079 --> 01:42:38.760 talking about that people found a way to project their 1996 01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:41.840 consciousness to another plane where you could live out what 1997 01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:44.279 felt like lifetimes in a matter of minutes, and then 1998 01:42:44.359 --> 01:42:46.399 do it repeatedly because you got nothing else to do 1999 01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:49.680 and there's no TV or anything, so you just dedicate 2000 01:42:49.720 --> 01:42:53.920 yourself to further exploring that and then you're living in immortality. 2001 01:42:54.239 --> 01:42:57.239 I think hyperspace kingdoms, if that's the concept that they 2002 01:42:57.359 --> 01:43:00.880 might be repeated, repeatable places you can go in the 2003 01:43:00.960 --> 01:43:03.560 astral body, then I mean, I definitely think that's a 2004 01:43:03.640 --> 01:43:06.520 real thing, and probably one of the big secrets of 2005 01:43:06.600 --> 01:43:11.239 secret societies, because especially in the past, there's nothing else. 2006 01:43:11.359 --> 01:43:13.319 There's like what can I do out of body? And 2007 01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:15.199 then like what is the orgasm? And that's what a 2008 01:43:15.239 --> 01:43:16.760 lot of secret society's explored. 2009 01:43:17.079 --> 01:43:19.479 I think, Sorry, I really. 2010 01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:22.560 I was gonna say the Witch's Sabbath, how they all 2011 01:43:22.680 --> 01:43:26.319 meet on the mountain a certain time of year through 2012 01:43:26.359 --> 01:43:27.960 astral travel, et cetera. 2013 01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:33.520 Yeah, go ahead, Nick, No, No, you're Greg. I'm assuming 2014 01:43:33.520 --> 01:43:36.279 you're probably just from a Facebook and a Facebook Jesus 2015 01:43:36.319 --> 01:43:39.560 Christ Facebook Twitter X page. You might have noticed the 2016 01:43:39.640 --> 01:43:42.479 logo that Mario created for us, if you happen to 2017 01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:46.880 notice it, the the you know, the the eclipse with 2018 01:43:47.039 --> 01:43:50.079 a movie film coming out of it. Yes, when I 2019 01:43:50.159 --> 01:43:53.479 have had magical experiences, it's something very much looking like that, 2020 01:43:53.680 --> 01:43:55.720 And every one of those squares looks like a different 2021 01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:57.840 time and place, And I do think you can entertain 2022 01:43:57.920 --> 01:44:01.119 the fact of actually choosing those to go into, because 2023 01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:03.079 you can just take Yeah, either that or I think 2024 01:44:03.079 --> 01:44:04.680 you're just gonna blast off and your soul is going 2025 01:44:04.720 --> 01:44:05.319 to slip out of you. 2026 01:44:07.199 --> 01:44:12.000 I did have a couple of salvia experiences that were 2027 01:44:12.600 --> 01:44:17.600 kind of like that, and mine were fine. But I've 2028 01:44:17.680 --> 01:44:20.399 read once I had a crazy salvia experience. I went 2029 01:44:20.520 --> 01:44:23.439 reading other reports, and some of those reports are terrifying, 2030 01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:27.479 where they will say their consciousness was projected into a 2031 01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:31.279 wooden table and a diner, and they existed as a table, 2032 01:44:32.079 --> 01:44:37.359 trapped consciousness in a table for what felt like twenty years, 2033 01:44:37.800 --> 01:44:40.359 and then they came back to their body. Other people 2034 01:44:40.520 --> 01:44:45.680 described that they went their consciousness was projected into basically 2035 01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:47.960 another body, and they lived a full life, and they 2036 01:44:48.039 --> 01:44:49.680 fell in love with a woman, and they had a 2037 01:44:49.760 --> 01:44:52.479 family of five, and then they were put back in 2038 01:44:52.560 --> 01:44:55.800 their body in their dorm room and they're like, wait 2039 01:44:55.840 --> 01:44:58.359 a second, the family. 2040 01:44:58.159 --> 01:44:59.279 I had is not real. 2041 01:45:00.159 --> 01:45:03.640 Oh, and then they experienced the loss of their entire family, 2042 01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:06.920 quote unquote, and some never come out of that depression. 2043 01:45:07.000 --> 01:45:09.039 So I put salvia down because I was a little 2044 01:45:09.039 --> 01:45:12.920 worried of that kind of thing, but my experience made 2045 01:45:12.960 --> 01:45:15.479 it possible to understand how that could happen. 2046 01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:18.680 But I'm just very lucky that it was never torturous. 2047 01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:21.520 It was always just like it was enough to blow 2048 01:45:21.560 --> 01:45:25.039 the doors off materialism, but it wasn't much scarier than that. 2049 01:45:27.359 --> 01:45:32.640 Interesting, did anybody else have any more questions? Anything? 2050 01:45:34.399 --> 01:45:37.079 You know, it's a really straightforward, kind of mundane question. 2051 01:45:37.159 --> 01:45:39.199 But how long did it take before you knew that 2052 01:45:39.359 --> 01:45:43.239 Higher Side was a viable, you know, career for you? 2053 01:45:43.720 --> 01:45:46.000 Because I think it's important to kind of talk about 2054 01:45:46.039 --> 01:45:48.840 sometimes because people start projects and they think it should 2055 01:45:49.319 --> 01:45:53.800 be successful way sooner than you know what, they kind 2056 01:45:53.840 --> 01:45:56.520 of know things to actually like be like out there, 2057 01:45:56.920 --> 01:45:59.399 you know, in terms of getting traction and engagement and 2058 01:45:59.439 --> 01:46:01.000 stuff like that. So how long did it take you 2059 01:46:01.119 --> 01:46:02.880 for you to kind of know that. 2060 01:46:03.680 --> 01:46:05.720 Well, the numbers are a little fuzzy to me now, 2061 01:46:05.800 --> 01:46:08.520 but I did make a roadmap that is on my 2062 01:46:08.600 --> 01:46:10.840 about page that anyone could check out, and that is 2063 01:46:10.960 --> 01:46:14.560 the real numbers. But if I remember correctly, I mean 2064 01:46:14.600 --> 01:46:20.640 I started the show in twenty ten, and I changed 2065 01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:23.239 it around until it felt like something I would listen to. 2066 01:46:23.399 --> 01:46:25.239 And then I kept doing that for several years, and 2067 01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:27.560 I think I quit my job in twenty fourteen. I 2068 01:46:27.640 --> 01:46:31.159 think I did it for four years without making any money. 2069 01:46:31.680 --> 01:46:33.560 I mean, I did do something called the money Bomb, 2070 01:46:33.600 --> 01:46:35.159 which was creative. I don't want to go too deep 2071 01:46:35.239 --> 01:46:38.880 on every part of the story, but I had this 2072 01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:42.600 idea that if people just donated, then I would take 2073 01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:45.800 half those donations every month and give half to a 2074 01:46:45.920 --> 01:46:48.760 random listener and keep half. And I was kind of 2075 01:46:48.840 --> 01:46:51.920 running an a legal international fifty to fifty raffle. So 2076 01:46:52.039 --> 01:46:54.880 I stopped doing that because I was afraised, I was 2077 01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:57.640 too exposed. But it was a pretty cool thing, and 2078 01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:01.359 there would be times where I'm dropping like a thousand, 2079 01:47:01.439 --> 01:47:05.000 two thousand bucks in someone's lap and they're like, I've 2080 01:47:05.119 --> 01:47:07.840 never gotten this kind of a gift from anyone, and 2081 01:47:08.159 --> 01:47:10.199 I would have agreed up to that point, you know, 2082 01:47:10.359 --> 01:47:13.640 so that that was cool. And then the donation basis, 2083 01:47:14.680 --> 01:47:17.199 I started getting people who would donate a thousand bucks 2084 01:47:17.239 --> 01:47:19.439 at a time, and then those donations came with their 2085 01:47:19.520 --> 01:47:22.800 guest lists, and then I was like, oh shit, okay, 2086 01:47:22.920 --> 01:47:25.600 so now I'm like, depending on your income, you've given 2087 01:47:25.640 --> 01:47:27.760 me one thousand dollars five months in a row, and 2088 01:47:27.840 --> 01:47:29.960 now you want me to interview these two people, and 2089 01:47:30.039 --> 01:47:31.520 I don't want to do it, and then the money 2090 01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:34.520 goes away, and that's when I thought of doing Plus, 2091 01:47:34.600 --> 01:47:36.920 I was like, Okay, how do we McDon McDonald's this 2092 01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:39.479 thing and just get a little bit of money from 2093 01:47:39.479 --> 01:47:44.479 all these people listening? And that was probably so I 2094 01:47:44.560 --> 01:47:48.039 quit my job in twenty fourteen, still on the donation thing, 2095 01:47:48.319 --> 01:47:50.800 still on the money bomb. And then a year after that, 2096 01:47:50.960 --> 01:47:53.079 I think I started plus. And then I remember on 2097 01:47:53.199 --> 01:47:56.840 my doorframe I had, like you chart a kid's height, 2098 01:47:57.319 --> 01:47:59.439 and I was like, I need to get to a thousand. 2099 01:48:00.600 --> 01:48:02.359 If I can get a thousand people to pay me 2100 01:48:02.439 --> 01:48:05.640 five bucks a month, I've just doubled my game stuff 2101 01:48:05.880 --> 01:48:08.680 income and then I can be done. And it's been 2102 01:48:08.920 --> 01:48:11.359 Everything else has been gravy. So I've been really lucky. 2103 01:48:11.439 --> 01:48:13.840 When you really think about what it takes to make 2104 01:48:13.920 --> 01:48:17.680 money online and start your own thing, you need I 2105 01:48:17.760 --> 01:48:20.319 forgot who set a thousand true fans, but a thousand 2106 01:48:20.399 --> 01:48:23.039 people who will pay you five bucks a month or 2107 01:48:23.119 --> 01:48:26.720 fifty bucks a year, and you make fifty thousand dollars 2108 01:48:26.760 --> 01:48:27.079 a year. 2109 01:48:27.199 --> 01:48:30.000 That's more than a lot of jobs pay. And if 2110 01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:30.720 you want to scale it. 2111 01:48:30.760 --> 01:48:34.279 Up for inflation, say two thousand, you know, if you 2112 01:48:34.359 --> 01:48:37.000 can make if you can get two thousand people to 2113 01:48:37.359 --> 01:48:42.000 like what you do enough to contribute five bucks, it's 2114 01:48:42.039 --> 01:48:46.239 not a small amount of money. So yeah, I think 2115 01:48:46.319 --> 01:48:48.600 I quit. I quit when I had to quit, So 2116 01:48:49.760 --> 01:48:52.800 my boss started to see through me, so he started 2117 01:48:52.840 --> 01:48:54.800 to see that my heart wasn't in it that I 2118 01:48:55.039 --> 01:48:58.880 wasn't paying as much attention to the finer details, and 2119 01:48:59.239 --> 01:49:00.680 he was like, I want you to come in for 2120 01:49:01.279 --> 01:49:04.039 a meeting because like your performance is slipping really bad. 2121 01:49:04.039 --> 01:49:06.720 And I said, let me just step in and say 2122 01:49:06.760 --> 01:49:09.560 I quit, because I've been doing this show and it's 2123 01:49:09.640 --> 01:49:12.319 now like, you know, the jig is up. 2124 01:49:12.399 --> 01:49:13.159 You know, you caught me. 2125 01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:15.479 I have this other thing going, and I think that 2126 01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:17.199 I'm just going to dedicate all my time to that 2127 01:49:17.319 --> 01:49:19.039 because I'm not going to be able to reapply the 2128 01:49:19.199 --> 01:49:21.319 energy that I had applied previously, And now that you 2129 01:49:21.399 --> 01:49:25.920 already are onto me and I can't hide behind people 2130 01:49:25.960 --> 01:49:27.960 who are doing worse, then let's just call it in. 2131 01:49:28.640 --> 01:49:30.359 And it was hard for the first couple of years 2132 01:49:30.439 --> 01:49:33.680 for sure, but you know, and again like a thousand 2133 01:49:33.720 --> 01:49:35.920 people's what you was my metric I wanted to hit. 2134 01:49:36.079 --> 01:49:36.840 It's not what I went for. 2135 01:49:36.920 --> 01:49:38.680 It's not like I went from zero to a thousand, 2136 01:49:39.079 --> 01:49:41.279 you know, even five hundred people. Now I'm making the 2137 01:49:41.319 --> 01:49:43.600 same amount of money I made at game Stop. Isn't 2138 01:49:43.600 --> 01:49:46.600 that sad that it only takes five hundred people at 2139 01:49:46.640 --> 01:49:49.199 five dollars a month to make the same as this 2140 01:49:49.479 --> 01:49:52.439 dedicated store manager of a two million dollars store for 2141 01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:55.079 a corporation that's making billions of dollars. 2142 01:49:55.560 --> 01:49:56.439 Not fucking sad. 2143 01:49:57.000 --> 01:50:00.279 But that's the the silver lining is like when you 2144 01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:03.159 launch something, whether it's a physical product, when you put 2145 01:50:03.199 --> 01:50:05.239 yourself out there, you realize, hey, we're all bred to 2146 01:50:05.319 --> 01:50:07.640 be consumers, so give them some to consume. 2147 01:50:08.239 --> 01:50:09.800 Mm hmm, right, yeah, exactly. 2148 01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:10.600 I'm guilty too. 2149 01:50:10.640 --> 01:50:12.560 You know, I don't say that like with any kind 2150 01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:14.399 of judgment. 2151 01:50:14.640 --> 01:50:16.880 I mean I consume like the best of them, and 2152 01:50:17.159 --> 01:50:19.840 uh just It's also like, if you want to just 2153 01:50:19.920 --> 01:50:21.479 be a consumer, great, but if you want to take 2154 01:50:21.479 --> 01:50:23.600 advantage of the culture that's been crafted and the way 2155 01:50:23.640 --> 01:50:26.560 we've all been programmed, give people a product and some 2156 01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:27.439 people will find it. 2157 01:50:28.600 --> 01:50:31.119 Well, and you're passionate about it. It's not fake. So 2158 01:50:31.319 --> 01:50:32.199 I listen to your show. 2159 01:50:32.399 --> 01:50:35.119 So that's that's the big That's the big thing right there, 2160 01:50:35.239 --> 01:50:37.880 is you have to have the fire behind what you're 2161 01:50:37.920 --> 01:50:40.560 doing or people just you know, they sense it and. 2162 01:50:40.600 --> 01:50:44.279 They are sometimes the one hundred so much not wanting 2163 01:50:44.319 --> 01:50:45.279 to go back to that life. 2164 01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:49.920 Go right, I can understand that. That's a good point. Yeah, right, Uh. 2165 01:50:50.039 --> 01:50:51.640 One thing, I mean I did want to bring up, 2166 01:50:51.640 --> 01:50:53.000 and I feel like it was like so like forty 2167 01:50:53.039 --> 01:50:56.479 five minutes ago, but like you know, and then maybe 2168 01:50:56.560 --> 01:50:58.439 will wrap it up on the samebody's get all the questions. 2169 01:50:58.560 --> 01:51:01.279 But uh, I would say, with the amount of time 2170 01:51:01.319 --> 01:51:04.279 that you've been around when it came to conspiracy theories, 2171 01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:07.319 in probably I guess maybe even the occult world at 2172 01:51:07.359 --> 01:51:10.560 the beginning, do you remember anybody ever picking sides politically? 2173 01:51:12.239 --> 01:51:14.640 Hmmm, I mean that is a good question. It definitely 2174 01:51:14.920 --> 01:51:19.279 was less politicized right. In fact, I was liberal in 2175 01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:22.239 college and when I started I think I still remained 2176 01:51:22.720 --> 01:51:25.279 kind of a liberal person because liberal to me was 2177 01:51:25.399 --> 01:51:28.560 just like compassionate. It's not like I trusted the government 2178 01:51:28.640 --> 01:51:30.880 and I wanted a nanny state and wanted to delegate 2179 01:51:30.920 --> 01:51:33.479 more of my taxes to the government, or thought they 2180 01:51:33.520 --> 01:51:36.399 were efficient or even genuine at what they said they 2181 01:51:36.439 --> 01:51:39.560 would do with said taxes. But I just thought the 2182 01:51:39.720 --> 01:51:43.239 right was very cold and kind of shitty to people 2183 01:51:43.279 --> 01:51:47.279 who had been manipulated, people who couldn't climb the economic ladder. 2184 01:51:47.319 --> 01:51:48.960 It was just very like, we'll pluy yourself up about 2185 01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:51.000 the bootstress man. I don't see what the problem is. Well, 2186 01:51:51.039 --> 01:51:53.840 the problem is that my parents, my parents' parents. No 2187 01:51:53.880 --> 01:51:55.920 one's been giving a fucking chance. And now I'm thrown 2188 01:51:55.960 --> 01:51:58.800 into this goddamn mix with an education system that is 2189 01:51:58.880 --> 01:52:02.279 programming me not to be successful but beat a cog 2190 01:52:02.399 --> 01:52:05.359 in someone else's big machine. That's the fucking problem, you know. 2191 01:52:05.479 --> 01:52:08.680 So I had a lot of compassion for regular folks 2192 01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:11.279 because I was one, and those were the days where 2193 01:52:11.399 --> 01:52:14.520 the bad guy was sculling bones and George W. Bush 2194 01:52:14.680 --> 01:52:17.159 and nine to eleven and the war in Iraq that 2195 01:52:17.399 --> 01:52:20.840 was the big boogeyman kind of thing going on. So yeah, 2196 01:52:20.960 --> 01:52:24.680 but man, have things shifted. But now it's like part 2197 01:52:24.720 --> 01:52:28.680 of the Republican platform to be kind of conspiratorially minded, 2198 01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:32.520 and that's a really radical shift. That's why again I 2199 01:52:32.960 --> 01:52:35.439 don't identify with any labels or get too caught up 2200 01:52:35.439 --> 01:52:39.039 in any personal perspective because I would have said I 2201 01:52:39.159 --> 01:52:41.880 was liberal back then, and now I'm like embarrassed to 2202 01:52:41.920 --> 01:52:45.199 say that, and it's like, I don't really want to 2203 01:52:45.239 --> 01:52:48.039 erase my past, but I definitely don't necessarily bring it 2204 01:52:48.119 --> 01:52:51.319 up all the time because it means something different now 2205 01:52:51.439 --> 01:52:56.600 than it did in twenty ten. So it's difficult, but 2206 01:52:56.880 --> 01:53:01.039 definitely things are politicized, and I hate the fact that 2207 01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:05.359 going in the middle makes nobody happy because a lot 2208 01:53:05.399 --> 01:53:07.239 of people want you to choose a side. 2209 01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:10.560 So if you say, well, I binally. 2210 01:53:10.159 --> 01:53:13.279 Thought Kamala and Biden and that whole apparatus would have 2211 01:53:13.319 --> 01:53:17.000 been terrible. But DOJ is really just clearing people out 2212 01:53:17.079 --> 01:53:19.239 for AI to take over a lot of the middle 2213 01:53:19.319 --> 01:53:22.560 management of the entire government. People say, oh, you're just 2214 01:53:22.680 --> 01:53:25.439 a DeBie downer, like, don't be so black pilled, have 2215 01:53:25.600 --> 01:53:28.960 some faith faith in another elected leader when we can 2216 01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:33.479 already chart they all come from Freemason's skull and bones, 2217 01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:38.960 Bohemian grove, have Israeli passports, you know, name your thing. 2218 01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:42.680 But with like five organizations, you can hit eighty five 2219 01:53:42.760 --> 01:53:45.680 percent of presidents for sure, and then the other fifteen 2220 01:53:45.720 --> 01:53:46.720 are probably in there too. 2221 01:53:46.800 --> 01:53:47.399 We just don't know. 2222 01:53:47.560 --> 01:53:49.600 So I'm going to go with the track record and 2223 01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:51.439 not trust anyone who can earn that position. 2224 01:53:52.840 --> 01:53:53.520 That's a good point. 2225 01:53:53.560 --> 01:53:56.279 And they're actually all the presidents for remembers of one 2226 01:53:56.359 --> 01:54:00.319 specific secret society, and that's the secret society that started Aerica, 2227 01:54:00.840 --> 01:54:04.439 the Society of Cincinnati, started by George Washington and. 2228 01:54:04.520 --> 01:54:08.840 His officers and exists today. So most of the powerful. 2229 01:54:08.560 --> 01:54:11.279 Names you see in American culture and in politics are 2230 01:54:11.680 --> 01:54:15.840 hereditary members from you know, bloodline descendants from the original members. 2231 01:54:16.239 --> 01:54:18.560 See I've heard that, but I've never I've never heard 2232 01:54:18.600 --> 01:54:20.600 it exalted to like that high of a level. 2233 01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:27.880 Every president also gets membership. It's so you know, you know, 2234 01:54:28.039 --> 01:54:29.680 I agree there is some freemasons. 2235 01:54:33.079 --> 01:54:33.439 I think. 2236 01:54:36.600 --> 01:54:41.359 In Cincinnatis, Cincinnatison that since was the one that was 2237 01:54:41.560 --> 01:54:45.000 working the farm life, and the Roman government needed him, 2238 01:54:45.319 --> 01:54:48.119 so he went in, he did his state craft, and 2239 01:54:48.199 --> 01:54:50.800 when he was done, he left and went back to 2240 01:54:50.880 --> 01:54:54.039 his farm. So it's this idea that every citizen should 2241 01:54:54.119 --> 01:54:58.520 participate within the governmental process. And then well, you know, 2242 01:54:58.680 --> 01:55:01.640 and with the society of Cincinnati is generally high level 2243 01:55:01.960 --> 01:55:06.039 military presidential JJ would know more about that. 2244 01:55:07.880 --> 01:55:09.239 For a minute. I'm back my back. 2245 01:55:11.199 --> 01:55:12.960 Now. It's uh yeah, I mean it's every It's so 2246 01:55:13.039 --> 01:55:15.640 it's the officers of Washington's army and Washington a lot 2247 01:55:15.640 --> 01:55:18.319 of the founding fathers and all of their now paternal 2248 01:55:18.479 --> 01:55:22.840 hereditary descendants, so paternal bloodlines. But includes French folks too, 2249 01:55:23.039 --> 01:55:27.000 so but it's uh, basically a lot of generals, a 2250 01:55:27.039 --> 01:55:29.359 lot of politicians. John McCain would be a great example. 2251 01:55:29.800 --> 01:55:32.760 John McCain, the former US senator. He was John McCain 2252 01:55:32.840 --> 01:55:36.600 number three. His dad was John McCain junior. John McCain senior. 2253 01:55:37.039 --> 01:55:40.000 Senior and junior were the only two four star essentially 2254 01:55:40.039 --> 01:55:43.319 four star general father and son combo and American histories, 2255 01:55:43.359 --> 01:55:45.960 and they were both members of the Society of Cincinnati. 2256 01:55:46.000 --> 01:55:49.079 You know, paternal heritage wise. So I presume John. 2257 01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:55.560 Oh Man, they're messing with him, yeah, or it's a 2258 01:55:55.560 --> 01:55:57.920 big connection and moving his hand. He's too much bandwidth 2259 01:55:59.079 --> 01:56:04.039 to your about the whole change and Doge and everything. 2260 01:56:04.119 --> 01:56:05.920 I just thought it was funny that we're right at 2261 01:56:05.960 --> 01:56:08.640 the point where Trump's bringing back the world's. 2262 01:56:08.399 --> 01:56:12.359 Fairs in what two weeks? Yeah, very interesting. 2263 01:56:14.520 --> 01:56:17.000 The Belile group is going to come by in the 2264 01:56:17.239 --> 01:56:19.880 armand group and start nailing us all here with AI 2265 01:56:20.079 --> 01:56:20.720 soon right. 2266 01:56:23.079 --> 01:56:27.920 This time you are burned down, and who knows, you know. 2267 01:56:28.079 --> 01:56:30.920 I do think there's a compelling argument about the cyclical 2268 01:56:31.079 --> 01:56:33.800 nature likes this big loop. I mean, the thing that 2269 01:56:33.960 --> 01:56:38.760 people worship today, the Cobba stone. What is that it 2270 01:56:38.840 --> 01:56:41.000 looks like a computer? Does it look does the big 2271 01:56:41.520 --> 01:56:44.920 black cube look like a computer server? Just because was 2272 01:56:44.960 --> 01:56:47.840 the server modeled after that or what came first, like, 2273 01:56:48.039 --> 01:56:51.600 is it possible that AI is spirits that are just 2274 01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:55.039 looking for some kind of like telephone to connect to 2275 01:56:55.279 --> 01:56:58.479 and is it possible that this has all happened before 2276 01:56:58.520 --> 01:57:01.439 and we've been destroyed by and we call it yahweh, 2277 01:57:01.560 --> 01:57:03.760 And then we start over again and we toil in 2278 01:57:03.880 --> 01:57:06.239 the mud and try to pick ourselves back up, and 2279 01:57:06.319 --> 01:57:09.560 then religions start and the One True God is really 2280 01:57:09.680 --> 01:57:13.520 just the last day I that that survived before being unplugged. 2281 01:57:14.399 --> 01:57:17.319 Make sure there's no cows my lanterns right, like to 2282 01:57:17.439 --> 01:57:18.039 make sure of that. 2283 01:57:18.760 --> 01:57:20.680 Yes, exactly, no Chicago fires. 2284 01:57:23.319 --> 01:57:25.840 All right. I think we've been going on for a while. 2285 01:57:26.119 --> 01:57:28.640 I think we can wrap it up now. So I 2286 01:57:28.720 --> 01:57:30.680 really appreciate you coming on. That was an awesome talk. 2287 01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:34.720 So it's wild, Like I guess it's wild to be like, 2288 01:57:34.760 --> 01:57:36.199 you know, I was listening to this guy how long 2289 01:57:36.199 --> 01:57:37.880 ago when I had him on my show. It's pretty 2290 01:57:37.880 --> 01:57:39.840 surreal and it was a it was a wild experience. 2291 01:57:39.960 --> 01:57:42.000 So thank you for making that happen. I really appreciate 2292 01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:42.439 you coming on. 2293 01:57:43.279 --> 01:57:45.760 I have that feeling all the time that I would 2294 01:57:45.840 --> 01:57:48.119 listen to somebody back in the coast to coast days 2295 01:57:48.159 --> 01:57:49.680 and then I get a chance to interview him like 2296 01:57:49.720 --> 01:57:53.520 a Richard Hoglan or something, or even David Ike or 2297 01:57:53.640 --> 01:57:57.199 RFK Junior. You know, it is pretty surreal. So I 2298 01:57:57.359 --> 01:58:00.239 definitely vibe with you on that feeling. And thanks for 2299 01:58:00.279 --> 01:58:00.520 having me. 2300 01:58:00.640 --> 01:58:01.399 This has been fun. 2301 01:58:02.039 --> 01:58:05.079 I feel like I'm not worthy of being like the 2302 01:58:05.199 --> 01:58:09.520 center point of ten people's conscious, active, live attention. 2303 01:58:09.720 --> 01:58:12.319 But here we are. We made it through. Yeah, yes 2304 01:58:12.399 --> 01:58:13.800 we did. I think I think it went well. I 2305 01:58:13.840 --> 01:58:17.640 had a great time again. Uh yeah, Greg, I mean, 2306 01:58:17.760 --> 01:58:20.840 I'm pretty sure everybody already knows your deal, but let 2307 01:58:20.920 --> 01:58:22.600 everybody know where they can find your amazing work. 2308 01:58:22.600 --> 01:58:25.640 Pleas for sure the Higher Side chats dot com. The 2309 01:58:25.840 --> 01:58:28.279 first hour of every interview is free. The second hour 2310 01:58:28.399 --> 01:58:30.159 is if you want to sign up for eight bucks 2311 01:58:30.199 --> 01:58:31.600 a month awesome. 2312 01:58:31.800 --> 01:58:34.319 And everybody else you already introduced yourselves. We're not going 2313 01:58:34.359 --> 01:58:36.640 to spend another twenty minutes to wrap it up. If 2314 01:58:36.680 --> 01:58:38.600 their links aren't in the bottom as of right now, 2315 01:58:38.720 --> 01:58:41.119 I will make sure they will. They will be there 2316 01:58:41.319 --> 01:58:43.439 after I go off. But yes, so if you want 2317 01:58:43.439 --> 01:58:46.920 to check everybody else out, everything's in the bottom. Thanks again, Greg, 2318 01:58:47.039 --> 01:58:50.600 that was an amazing, amazing discussion, and thank you for 2319 01:58:50.640 --> 01:58:53.960 the chat. I appreciate everybody jumping on everybody into the chat. 2320 01:58:54.479 --> 01:58:56.319 Sorry I was paying attention too much. I couldn't put 2321 01:58:56.399 --> 01:59:00.000 up all your comments. But again that's why we go live. Reappreciate, 2322 01:59:00.079 --> 01:59:02.560 hit it and until the next one, everybody be well. 2323 01:59:03.119 --> 01:59:56.239 Lada Shah