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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Occult Rejects today. We got a packed house.
Speaker 3: We got ten of us up in here today, and
Speaker 3: we're gonna have all the rejects introduced themselves until we
Speaker 3: get to the man of the hour, the very special
Speaker 3: guests for you, Lisa, please the occult rejected bad scientists.
Speaker 3: Let everybody know what your dealer is. What's up?
Speaker 5: Thank you. I'm very excited to be here. Thank you
Speaker 5: for the invitation. Thank you everybody. The only thing I
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Speaker 5: a lot of our fellow occult researchers are contributing. So
Speaker 5: that's it for me, and I'm very excited to hear
Speaker 5: about to hear everything that Greg has.
Speaker 3: To say today. Awesome, Yes, me too. Thank you very
Speaker 3: much for joining us, and Jin Frida the Ninja, what's
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Speaker 7: Thanks you, thank you boss, not Forrider today, but and
Speaker 7: thank you to Greg Carlwood. Obviously I'm really excited and
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Speaker 7: which is serial experiments and speculative ontology. It's metamagic, metareality
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Speaker 7: as well as our book club. And then also we're
Speaker 7: doing a new series called Welcome to Hapaboria, which is
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much as thank you, sir and JJ Vance.
Speaker 8: What is going on, sir, Nick greeting, sir, appreciate the
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, Thank you very much. And Ethan Indigo, Sir,
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Speaker 2: Glad to be here with everyone.
Speaker 3: Thank you. And another special guest we got with us today.
Speaker 3: This man has been along the journey really with the
Speaker 3: Occult Rejects, and I think some of the best work
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Speaker 3: got Mario from Symbolic Studies to Tarot Man himself. Please
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Speaker 10: Yeah for sure, Thanks for the invite, dude. My project
Speaker 10: is called Symbolic Studies. You can find all my stuff
Speaker 10: at symbolicstudies dot com. I do short form videos available
Speaker 10: for terror readings, I've got presentations on my YouTube all
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Speaker 10: everyone else. So yeah, thanks again of course, of course,
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Speaker 3: Please, sir, let everybody know what your deal is and
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Speaker 11: Thank you, Nick, Thank you for the invite. Good hearing
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Nick, of course, thank you, And we got
Speaker 3: the Cosmic Peach yourself, Julia, what is going on?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 12: Nick? I'm so excited for this one. I've been looking
Speaker 12: forward to it. Have Cosmic Peach podcast wherever you listen
Speaker 12: or find your podcast. If you haven't found me yet, yeah,
Speaker 12: never will, but I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course. And last but not least, the
Speaker 3: moment Slayer herself heighty love.
Speaker 13: Hello, everybody. I'm Heidi Love of the Unfiltered Rise. I'm
Speaker 13: everwhere podcasts are served. I do have my own website,
Speaker 13: Unfiltered rizpodcast dot com, and I'm better known as the
Speaker 13: ex Mormon girl.
Speaker 3: Hell Yah, nice to meet you, Greg, Thank you, thank
Speaker 3: you very much. I really appreciate it. And finally, last
Speaker 3: but not least, the man of the hour. I'm sure
Speaker 3: everybody knows who he is. He's a the OG four
Speaker 3: twenty friendly conspiracy theorist. We're on the streets. He smoked
Speaker 3: the blunts with Bigfoot, and he's ripped bong hits a
Speaker 3: Bohemia grove. We got Greg Callwood from the Higher Side
Speaker 3: Chats up in here today. Greg, please let everybody know
Speaker 3: what the hell is up and what's going on.
Speaker 14: Hey, thank you for having me. No pressure, right, I mean,
Speaker 14: I really am just a regular guy and have a
Speaker 14: regular guy's level of knowledge. You guys all probably know
Speaker 14: a lot more about the occult than me, but people
Speaker 14: know me because I got in there first. I've been
Speaker 14: doing the podcast for fifteen years. The Higher Side Chats
Speaker 14: dot Com is the place to go, and it really
Speaker 14: is all the great guests I've had over the years
Speaker 14: that make the show what it is. I'm just a
Speaker 14: guy asking some questions, and some of it sticks, but
Speaker 14: a lot of times it's like preparing for a book report.
Speaker 14: You cram, you do the thing, and then you're like,
Speaker 14: all right, that's done. But after fifteen years, hopefully I
Speaker 14: remember some things and have some interesting things to bring up.
Speaker 14: But pleasure to meet everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, thank you very much. I totally understand what
Speaker 3: you're saying about forgetting stuff, because like between everybody I
Speaker 3: work with, it'll be like, don't you remember when we
Speaker 3: talked about so and so on, And I'm like, no, sorry,
Speaker 3: I don't. That was three weeks ago. I don't remember.
Speaker 3: There's so many there was ten other shows in there
Speaker 3: that I remember, you know, partial stuff I just forgot.
Speaker 3: But as it all does lead together, Yeah, I'm glad
Speaker 3: I'm not the only one. Thank you, So Greg. I figured,
Speaker 3: I mean, besides, there's you know, nine other people here.
Speaker 3: Everybody's got questions. But I did think maybe kind of
Speaker 3: just set it off. As you know, again, you've been
Speaker 3: around for a while, you do touch on the occult
Speaker 3: besides other things, I guess just kind of wanted to know,
Speaker 3: like you know, your experience and the occult with the
Speaker 3: journey through your podcast, maybe things that opened up your thinking,
Speaker 3: things that surprised you. I don't know, people that impacted
Speaker 3: you go to bed and it doesn't you know, have
Speaker 3: to necessarily be putting the person down. I say bad.
Speaker 3: It just you know, stuff like that and just really
Speaker 3: free flowing. But I guess maybe just started off like, well,
Speaker 3: first off, what even got you into starting the higher
Speaker 3: side of chats?
Speaker 14: Well, I was always kind of anti authoritarian and into
Speaker 14: conspiracies and even things like the Locknus Monster and Bigfoot
Speaker 14: and UFOs that gets you.
Speaker 15: Going when you're young. I like punk music.
Speaker 14: So I also kind of grew up in a repressive
Speaker 14: Catholic school environment in the Midwest, so religiosity was definitely there.
Speaker 14: Obviously it's an anti occult environment, but it's still in
Speaker 14: the mix. And I tried on atheism for a long time,
Speaker 14: and it was just like, you know, what if I
Speaker 14: think this is bullshit, if I think that it's wrapped
Speaker 14: up in a lot of nasty stuff with the Vatican
Speaker 14: and all this, well, you know, if I don't trust
Speaker 14: these people, maybe the whole thing is bullshit. And I
Speaker 14: think a lot of people eventually come out of that. Again,
Speaker 14: if you go through it, it's more about the environment
Speaker 14: you're in. It's more about the indoctrination of traditional, almost
Speaker 14: corporatized religion, and you don't have to throw the baby
Speaker 14: out with the bathwater. And I had to remind myself
Speaker 14: that little things happened when I was young that blew
Speaker 14: the doors off materialism, and I was conveniently ignoring some
Speaker 14: of those things. Like one of the craziest was when
Speaker 14: I was in about the preschool age. I didn't This
Speaker 14: kind of makes my parents look bad, but I did
Speaker 14: not wear my seat belt much. There were not car
Speaker 14: seats at least at this age, even though now I
Speaker 14: see people putting kids in car seats for a long time.
Speaker 15: But regardless, I was on my way to something with
Speaker 15: my mom and I.
Speaker 14: Had this inner voice say put your seat belt on,
Speaker 14: and it was incredibly aggressive, and for some reason I listened,
Speaker 14: and we were in a car accident. My mom got
Speaker 14: tea boned like five minutes later, and I would never
Speaker 14: forget that that was the reason why I didn't find
Speaker 14: it and why I wasn't even being asked to do it.
Speaker 14: And I think my parents just got sick of how stubborn.
Speaker 14: I was, and in this particular instance, this inner voice
Speaker 14: was so loud. I was like, that was definitely intuition,
Speaker 14: some guardian angel type thing. I don't know if that's
Speaker 14: the higher self, whatever it is, but I think a
Speaker 14: lot of us have telephone telepathy, or we see something
Speaker 14: strange looking at you.
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's often in those early.
Speaker 14: Years, and then we might put it away and be like, well,
Speaker 14: I'm not going to hinge my entire worldview on the
Speaker 14: five seconds which I saw something that defied reality.
Speaker 15: Maybe I was mistaken back then, but I swung back.
Speaker 14: Obviously. I was into conspiracy and it's very adjacent. I
Speaker 14: always liked the David Ike flavor of conspiracy more than
Speaker 14: the Alex Jones angry patriot Texas thing. That didn't really
Speaker 14: resonate with me, maybe because it was too close to
Speaker 14: home the way I grew up, and I mean, my
Speaker 14: parents were very normal, which allowed me to be normal too.
Speaker 14: But outside of the confines of my home in the Midwest,
Speaker 14: in rural Missouri, Arnold, Missouri, you see a lot of
Speaker 14: stuff the parents of the kids are going to school with,
Speaker 14: you know, And I think that's great because some people
Speaker 14: were way more of the mindset that they were drinking
Speaker 14: the kool aid and still do and always have people
Speaker 14: I still like. But they didn't try on any other
Speaker 14: hats because in their house it wasn't tampered down at all.
Speaker 14: It was still like as intense as it was at school.
Speaker 3: So, you know whatever.
Speaker 14: But I think if you go into conspiracy long enough,
Speaker 14: it definitely crosses over into occult area as you start
Speaker 14: looking at symbolism. I saw an early documentary on marketing
Speaker 14: and just subliminal messages in marketing, and then that gets
Speaker 14: adjacent to magic. And it was guests like Gordon White
Speaker 14: who kind of recontextualized the sie effects and the telephone
Speaker 14: telepathy type of thing and said, no, that is magic.
Speaker 14: That is a product of a magical universe. And I
Speaker 14: think it's kind of a changing of the definition that
Speaker 14: made me feel like the world is more magical, and
Speaker 14: you know, the rest is kind of history.
Speaker 3: It's interesting, kind of I guess we shed a little
Speaker 3: bit of the same situation where it went from you know,
Speaker 3: kind of Catholicism Catholic into thinking there's something wrong with
Speaker 3: the church because of the conspirac season. Then I become
Speaker 3: an atheist, and then about five years later, I found
Speaker 3: myself in the Oto.
Speaker 14: I did not go that, Oh you no, I did,
Speaker 14: but his next magic really the big secret at the
Speaker 14: end of.
Speaker 3: That for me, my magical experience. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 3: was given some secrets, yes so, but not at the Oto.
Speaker 3: It was not wait oh sorry, did you sway? Stay?
Speaker 3: What did you say?
Speaker 13: Oh?
Speaker 3: No, you know that's the whole thing and the experiences
Speaker 3: that I had. There was no ritual done, no sex,
Speaker 3: and all I did was meditate. Did you see the
Speaker 3: Gnostic Mass? Oh, I've been in the Gnostic Mass plenty
Speaker 3: of times.
Speaker 14: Did you see the full apparently the real Gnostic Mass.
Speaker 14: They're banging.
Speaker 3: I've never seen anything else besides breasts. Oh yeah, grateful that, I.
Speaker 12: Thought, you said, Nick, You saw they always picked the
Speaker 12: big fat chicks to get up there and take their
Speaker 12: tops off, didn't they.
Speaker 3: Well, just from my experience, I mean, listen, I'm not
Speaker 3: breaking saying I'm God's gift to women, but I did
Speaker 3: not want to see any of those women naked anyways,
Speaker 3: keeping it real, don't get naked either, No naked. I
Speaker 3: figure out I was going somewhere with this I forgot.
Speaker 3: But oh yeah, yeah, there was there was no sex man.
Speaker 3: I I again, I mean I was only there for
Speaker 3: five to six years, only went up a few degrees.
Speaker 3: You have to go past the fourth, Like if the
Speaker 3: fourth you get shoulder taped to go pissed. So you know,
Speaker 3: maybe when you hit the fifth that's when all the
Speaker 3: weird shit happens. I don't know so, but that's yeah,
Speaker 3: my experience. But yeah, I kind of had the same thing.
Speaker 3: And like you said, did David Ike, I was much
Speaker 3: more into David Ike, Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tassarian. So like
Speaker 3: when I first started getting into all those people, there
Speaker 3: was nothing. I mean, I didn't have a choice. Really,
Speaker 3: I was gonna hear about ocultism and then you know, oh,
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say.
Speaker 14: Also, astrology is one of those early things that I
Speaker 14: just couldn't really dismiss the results of and the typical
Speaker 14: excuse that everything's just so broad and vague that you
Speaker 14: can apply it to yourself that didn't really resonate, And
Speaker 14: so that was just an other thing that's like, well,
Speaker 14: if this is true, then I have to change my
Speaker 14: worldview about what reality is. Synchro Mysticism too, another area
Speaker 14: where conspiracy and symbolism crossover and your entry level thought
Speaker 14: is that, well, maybe this stuff is just seeded into
Speaker 14: films by the people who are you know, the cast
Speaker 14: and crew. But some of it defies logic in that
Speaker 14: regard too, And then you're like, man, something metaphysical seems
Speaker 14: to be going on. And then maybe you start thinking
Speaker 14: about consciousness and big events that well up a lot
Speaker 14: of conscious energy. And then maybe it manifests through like
Speaker 14: a muse like way where someone has to write something
Speaker 14: in a film and they're like, well, I'm gonna put
Speaker 14: it as nine to eleven. Well why did you pick
Speaker 14: nine to eleven? Maybe it wasn't absolutely conscious, but there's
Speaker 14: just some deep echo in the back of your subconsciousness
Speaker 14: like this is an important date, so put it on
Speaker 14: Neo's passport. Who knows. But there's something about a lot
Speaker 14: of that stuff. So those are just some other components
Speaker 14: that I just think, if you haven't gotten rid of
Speaker 14: materialism yet, just look at some of that stuff and
Speaker 14: try to figure out.
Speaker 3: How it works in a material universe. I agree with uh,
Speaker 3: do anybody want to ask you any questions?
Speaker 13: I do.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hog at Greg's time or anything.
Speaker 12: But because you mentioned David Ike, you know, he's been
Speaker 12: scrutinized to like the max would you are you like
Speaker 12: a lizard people's person or are you like where where
Speaker 12: do you fall in the lizard spectrum?
Speaker 14: Well, I think this is David Ike. He He's even
Speaker 14: clarified a lot of those comments. So it's hard to separate,
Speaker 14: especially in a pre Internet world. When I was getting
Speaker 14: into David Ike, you have the actual person, their actual material,
Speaker 14: and then the cariature that society reduces it down to.
Speaker 14: And obviously with David Ike, he was reduced down to
Speaker 14: the lizard guy. All these elite are literal lizard people
Speaker 14: wearing rubber masks, and that's not true. That's again like
Speaker 14: the materialist viewpoint of what he's getting at, which I
Speaker 14: think if you take the metaphysical spiritual look at what
Speaker 14: David Ike says, which he even himself now would say,
Speaker 14: it's more like there's maybe some deep, deep bloodline represented
Speaker 14: by reptilian symbolism. Why is the reptilian symbolism there? Does
Speaker 14: it go all the way back to literal reptiles or
Speaker 14: has it always been symbolic. Mario is probably the guy
Speaker 14: to answer more of these questions, but I don't I
Speaker 14: think that that's a literalization of what he's trying to say,
Speaker 14: which is something more metaphysical. A lot of people, when
Speaker 14: they have a spiritual experience with something they think is alien,
Speaker 14: reptiles come up all the time. I don't think they
Speaker 14: saw Hillary Clinton as an iguana in their living room,
Speaker 14: but they saw something on the astraplane report presented as
Speaker 14: a reptilian energy, like a serpentine like energy. Yeah, and
Speaker 14: so I think there might be, if you go back
Speaker 14: far enough, a physicality to that somewhat. But I kind
Speaker 14: of think like uphology was trying to find itself in
Speaker 14: a material worldview initially. So what are these things? They
Speaker 14: must be humanoid creatures from another physical planet because they're
Speaker 14: not able to rope in the spiritual layer of reality.
Speaker 14: They can't have an explanation that changes that worldview, that
Speaker 14: fundamental worldview that everything's physical, Big Bang and everything. So
Speaker 14: if you're not going to have a spiritual layer to
Speaker 14: your reality, you get weird conclusions. And I think that's
Speaker 14: what the David Ike thing is is. I think he's
Speaker 14: very metaphysical and he's trying to explain things in a
Speaker 14: way that makes sense, and he says reptilian and people
Speaker 14: literalize it and say, oh, well, he means she's Hillary
Speaker 14: Clinton's wearing a rubber mask, and it's like that's a
Speaker 14: little silly. But is she attached to a spiritual arconic
Speaker 14: presence that is maybe riding her and even possessing her
Speaker 14: to a degree because it recognizes power and it is
Speaker 14: a reptilian energy. I think that's probably possible, probably even likely.
Speaker 1: Or like some kind of bloodline thing almost yeah.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I'm wondering that's a literalization too. But they
Speaker 14: definitely care about bloodlines. The leader obsessed with that, so
Speaker 14: you have to reverse engineer. If they care, then it's
Speaker 14: something important.
Speaker 13: And what is it.
Speaker 14: Well, there's this, there's all the Steiner stuff. When Steiner
Speaker 14: talks about blood, I'm like, that is your spiritual essence.
Speaker 14: So maybe it's splitting hairs talking about a reptilian blood
Speaker 14: line and a reptilian spiritual energy attachment.
Speaker 3: It's probably maybe.
Speaker 15: That's how it's connected in through the blood and the nakash.
Speaker 3: I think it's connected back to the garden, like you know, there.
Speaker 14: You go, Like I say, you guys know more than
Speaker 14: I do about a lot of this stuff. But these
Speaker 14: are the conclusions when I've you know, after fifteen years
Speaker 14: of asking guests, some things resonate and some don't. Some
Speaker 14: things you hear more often than others. And that's basically
Speaker 14: my broad viewpoint on how reptilians can exist and probably do.
Speaker 11: You, if I may, Greg, So you've said many times
Speaker 11: of what you heard from people. My question is directly
Speaker 11: to you and not to those people, to your personal experience. So,
Speaker 11: after all you've learned of the experience you accumulated, transforming
Speaker 11: that knowledge into some form of wisdom, how do you
Speaker 11: see reality, how do you conceive it to be today,
Speaker 11: and how it relates to consciousness and existence in itself.
Speaker 14: Well, I think I settle on the Soul school hypothesis
Speaker 14: that we come here to have physical experiences where fractals
Speaker 14: of the Godhead. We take thatperience back to the central
Speaker 14: supreme consciousness and fold it in.
Speaker 3: And I don't know why.
Speaker 14: There's a lot of explanations, like the basic one is
Speaker 14: that consciousness existed made a physical container for itself and
Speaker 14: that is only enjoyable to play through if you come
Speaker 14: in with no memory that you're God.
Speaker 15: And I think that checks out. That kind of makes sense.
Speaker 14: And if you push on the reality we have, then
Speaker 14: you can quickly find out it goes deeper, but you
Speaker 14: can go your whole life without pushing on it at
Speaker 14: all and just live a straight experience, you know, a
Speaker 14: straightforward physical reality experience, which is probably what it was
Speaker 14: somewhat designed to do. But I think it's, yeah, a
Speaker 14: realm of experience, which is what I think is really
Speaker 14: sad when so many other people I know don't fully
Speaker 14: dive in, you know. And that's where the conspiracy comes in,
Speaker 14: is I think so much of it is about capturing
Speaker 14: our attention and wasting our time.
Speaker 15: Like just jobs.
Speaker 14: Obviously number one thing to say that eight hours a day,
Speaker 14: you're going to sleep. Eight hours a day are gonna
Speaker 14: work for us, and then you get the other eight hours,
Speaker 14: but some of it's traffic. Then you're gonna have to eat,
Speaker 14: you're gonna have to get ready for work and shower
Speaker 14: and all this stuff. It really starts to get whittled
Speaker 14: away to Okay, I guess I have two hours in
Speaker 14: the evening to watch a fucking Netflix show and that's it.
Speaker 14: And so I think a lot of it is wasting
Speaker 14: people's time and keeping them from engaging in the experience.
Speaker 14: I don't know what the elite are exactly, if they
Speaker 14: hate God or if they're falling angels or something of
Speaker 14: that realm, or they just want to corrupt the experience
Speaker 14: as much as they can, so they do genetic tinkering
Speaker 14: and all this other stuff. But it seems like they're
Speaker 14: very spiteful of experience itself, and so I think that
Speaker 14: they have tiers of ways they attack it, and one
Speaker 14: of them is just like, have all these people waste
Speaker 14: their time in a numb state of baseline consciousness, never
Speaker 14: explore a snuff out their curiosity, and just neutralize what
Speaker 14: this thing is designed to do.
Speaker 15: And they do a pretty damn good.
Speaker 3: Job of that.
Speaker 14: I think we all know people who barely ever get
Speaker 14: off the couch outside of going to work and coming
Speaker 14: home in the evening. So I like the Sole school
Speaker 14: idea that it is a realm of experience and hopefully
Speaker 14: learning and hopefully progress. I don't necessarily have evidence of
Speaker 14: that part, but it just seems like why do it otherwise?
Speaker 1: That is so true, That is literally so true.
Speaker 12: I almost feel like before I started podcasting full time
Speaker 12: that I was like clinically depressed. I was working like
Speaker 12: twelve hour shifts at a hospital and I would come
Speaker 12: home and just like zone out almost, And it's the
Speaker 12: system is like set up to where you're just a
Speaker 12: cog and a machine and that's how you feel.
Speaker 1: Literally.
Speaker 14: I mean that's so true, especially the medical system, the
Speaker 14: way that they have people working those shifts.
Speaker 15: That's not necessary. There's definitely got to be a better way.
Speaker 14: But it is more closely to how you would structure
Speaker 14: psychological torture. So I think that the conspiracy comes in
Speaker 14: with the medical stuff, where they don't want anybody to
Speaker 14: wake up. They don't want the people working in the
Speaker 14: trenches to even have time to think about what they're doing.
Speaker 14: Just go, go, go, here's the book. This is what
Speaker 14: we do in this instance, and don't think about it.
Speaker 14: There is no variance. Take your orders from on high.
Speaker 14: We saw what that did a couple of years ago.
Speaker 14: But yeah, the medical one in particular is interesting, another
Speaker 14: realm where they don't acknowledge the spiritual at all, And
Speaker 14: there's all these new emerging health systems where they're looking
Speaker 14: at your emotional state. Have you buried some kind of
Speaker 14: emotional trauma in you that manifests this cancer later? Like
Speaker 14: you can't just cut and burn and poison everything out
Speaker 14: of a human body. So yeah, that's I empathize with
Speaker 14: being in that realm. They work in a psych hospital.
Speaker 13: They make us do twelve to thirteen hours, and then
Speaker 13: they turn around and tell us don't have any personal
Speaker 13: connection with anyone, don't don't try and relate to these
Speaker 13: people that are here for drugging alcohol abuse, and don't
Speaker 13: try and help them or hug them or touch them
Speaker 13: or do any of the things that might actually help them, because.
Speaker 1: Like, don't be their friend.
Speaker 12: God forbid, you'd be a nice sweet person to someone
Speaker 12: who's mentally fucked. Like come on, and you know, Heidi
Speaker 12: this with you working there too, I feel like you
Speaker 12: can agree with this because I, like you said, I
Speaker 12: worked like twelve hour shows too. You don't really get
Speaker 12: Sunday off either, because all day Saturday you're doing whatever.
Speaker 12: All day Sunday you're just dreading going back on Monday.
Speaker 12: So it's like literally a never ending loop of just
Speaker 12: like why the fuck am I doing this? Why the
Speaker 12: fuck am I doing this? And I mean, I'm so
Speaker 12: glad that I'm out of that. But for all those
Speaker 12: who are listening right now that are stuck in it,
Speaker 12: trust the way that you feel is the way you're
Speaker 12: supposed to feel about it.
Speaker 1: I mean it sucks something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh sorry, go ahead, all right.
Speaker 14: I was just gonna say, Julia mentioned depression, and I
Speaker 14: definitely think depression is a natural reaction to something that
Speaker 14: you're not doing in accordance.
Speaker 3: With your true will. Yes, I totally agree.
Speaker 14: Me and my wife had a real tough my now wife.
Speaker 14: You know, then it was early. She could have got out,
Speaker 14: but in the beginning she was like, you know, I
Speaker 14: have real concerns if we're gonna get raw, and honest,
Speaker 14: I have real concerns that you're never going to be
Speaker 14: happy unless this big hail Mary thing you threw, unless
Speaker 14: that works. And I was like, well, you're probably right,
Speaker 14: so let's hope it works, because you can't tell me
Speaker 14: to just change my attitude, just flip my attitude about
Speaker 14: this thing that is sucking up so much mental energy
Speaker 14: and physical time. As a store manager of game stop, yeah,
Speaker 14: you got the it's basically fifty hours a week plus
Speaker 14: track time. Then you have people who are paid such
Speaker 14: a low wage, they're all incompetent. You only have your
Speaker 14: choice of incompetent people to put in your store. So
Speaker 14: they're constantly calling you when you're off the clock too.
Speaker 14: It's miserable. You're making thirty five grand a year to
Speaker 14: run a two million dollar store. Your salary, the salary
Speaker 14: of the boss of the whole store is a small
Speaker 14: little line item. It's like not less than the tax
Speaker 14: is paid, probably, And yeah, sorry, I am gonna be
Speaker 14: miserable if I'm stuck in this because I can't just
Speaker 14: pretend that it's a good life when I'm gonna call
Speaker 14: to sack to nowhere in the retail ecosystem. Luckily it works, Yeah.
Speaker 12: Hours a week and you're still eating taco bell and
Speaker 12: wondering how the fuck you're gonna make it to the
Speaker 12: next paycheck. Like, think about that, it's such a slave
Speaker 12: system for real. You have time to shit in shower
Speaker 12: and go right the fuck back the next day, and like,
Speaker 12: its just I don't know, it's horrid.
Speaker 14: But then I also think about, like if it is
Speaker 14: a soul school, if reality is set up this way,
Speaker 14: like we really just in that dark city sense, we
Speaker 14: don't truly have a concept of anything that came before
Speaker 14: us or anything after. We're kind of the center of
Speaker 14: our experience. There's a story out there of what might
Speaker 14: have occurred before and all this, but you're really kind
Speaker 14: of just in the experience. And if that's true, maybe
Speaker 14: it is designed to kind of let these people. And
Speaker 14: that's been a thing that there was a thing called
Speaker 14: the Hidden Hand material It was on a form road.
Speaker 3: I remember that, Oh my god, God, any.
Speaker 15: Questions you want and I'll tell you.
Speaker 14: And they, basically as pypologists for the elite, were like,
Speaker 14: these people actually made a sacrifice to play the role
Speaker 14: of the bad guy in this system, because to have
Speaker 14: a good story there must be a villain. And part
Speaker 14: of that is you need to push through the difficulty
Speaker 14: and push through the depression and rise above it and
Speaker 14: change the circumstance. That is the nagging thing, you know,
Speaker 14: the stick in the ribcaid. It's like, hey, come on,
Speaker 14: do something, move move. And so I almost have learned
Speaker 14: now that I'm on the other side.
Speaker 15: Of it, it doesn't affect me anymore.
Speaker 14: I've learned to appreciate that stage of life and going
Speaker 14: through that, because otherwise I would not have been motivated
Speaker 14: enough to do what I do now. And maybe this
Speaker 14: is my true will to just at least create a
Speaker 14: stage for important voices and then put them up for
Speaker 14: the people, and I don't have to do much more
Speaker 14: than that then raise the curtain and turn the lights on.
Speaker 3: Maybe that is my role.
Speaker 14: I'm comfortable with it compared to other possible roles. But
Speaker 14: maybe I just don't hate it as much as I
Speaker 14: used to when I was stuck in it. I now
Speaker 14: appreciate the process of taking a person up to a
Speaker 14: higher level experience. So if you're in your twenties and
Speaker 14: you're kind of miserable, I think that's what the twenties
Speaker 14: are for, is letting that feeling fuel something better into
Speaker 14: your thirties.
Speaker 13: I know with mine, I choose to be where I am,
Speaker 13: and it's all about trying to focus on the people
Speaker 13: there to try and actually help them because my brother
Speaker 13: did pass of a drug overdose, and so that's why
Speaker 13: I chose to work there, because I thought, well, if
Speaker 13: I can give something back to these people, and I
Speaker 13: am constantly breaking the rules, so it doesn't matter anyway.
Speaker 13: Like you said, you can change your you can change
Speaker 13: your way about it, you know, be human, like give
Speaker 13: them humanity.
Speaker 3: Heck yeah, real quick, There's a few things I wanted
Speaker 3: to say, and then I did want to toggle in
Speaker 3: Robbie Marx because we can't have more than ten people,
Speaker 3: and we do have another cult reject here. We just
Speaker 3: couldn't fit them in. There was a couple of things
Speaker 3: I wanted to say. Those stuff that you said. One,
Speaker 3: doing your will, I totally agree with that. I honestly
Speaker 3: think if it may be hard at times what you're doing,
Speaker 3: but if you love what you're doing, I think you're
Speaker 3: doing your will. Again, it may be hard at times,
Speaker 3: but you're still going to love what you're doing. I
Speaker 3: totally agree. And when you had said something I think about,
Speaker 3: I guess kind of like your idea, I guess of
Speaker 3: the reality you really you nailed it on the head.
Speaker 3: It's like kind of the same thing that I've been
Speaker 3: trying to say. You just made it sound so much better.
Speaker 3: I guess maybe as an Italian, I like to use
Speaker 3: the spaghetti strainer. But like I always say that, I
Speaker 3: consider like you take a light bulb on the ceiling
Speaker 3: and you're like you throw the spaghetti strainer over, and
Speaker 3: then all those little pin dots or all of us
Speaker 3: having a separate experience from that one of the one
Speaker 3: you saw us. I like, yeah, yeah, so I do thing,
Speaker 3: and due to this, we're supposed to rise back up
Speaker 3: that light with the with the experience that we've had
Speaker 3: here and bring it back and maybe possibly come back
Speaker 3: with knowledge, you know whatever. That's getting a little bit deeper,
Speaker 3: but still it is very very well said. So I identify,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of identified with what you were getting at.
Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, I like the way he
Speaker 3: said that. But yeah, we're gonna Oh and then the
Speaker 3: whole thing with David Ike too, I totally agree, and
Speaker 3: I think I'm so happy that you guys are saying that.
Speaker 3: I do think David Ike, as silly as it sounds
Speaker 3: when he's talking about the reptilians from my experience due
Speaker 3: to having magical experiences, I do just me. I do
Speaker 3: believe I've crossed the Abyss and had that experience. I
Speaker 3: totally get what David Ike's saying. If I want to
Speaker 3: look at it in a gnostic occult sense, he's saying
Speaker 3: the same thing. These people, reptilians are just people that
Speaker 3: are able to cross the Abyss and come back, and
Speaker 3: those are the people ruling the world. I agree with that,
Speaker 3: So I do I do see it that way. I
Speaker 3: just think he it's a little bit harder to come
Speaker 3: out and maybe say that and still be popular. So
Speaker 3: maybe he, you know, tries to do it in a
Speaker 3: different way. I don't know, but I totally also.
Speaker 14: Think there's a big difference between how he started doing
Speaker 14: it and how he does it today. I mean, he
Speaker 14: wrote a book called The Trap recently, which I think
Speaker 14: it's like six hundred pages. Basically everything I said would
Speaker 14: be contained within that same framework, So I think I
Speaker 14: think his opinion and position has evolved as well.
Speaker 3: All right, Robbie Marks, we got you in so sorry
Speaker 3: about that, sir.
Speaker 16: No no worries at all. Yeah, Hey, Greg Carwood, how
Speaker 16: you doing. As I'm an artist, I do art illustrations.
Speaker 16: I do a lot of festival band type merch stuff
Speaker 16: like that. I've been an independent artist for going on
Speaker 16: thirty five years. And you know, when when we talk
Speaker 16: about this system of people just you know, as cogs
Speaker 16: in the machine, and they come home and they you know,
Speaker 16: they don't have any time for anything else, especially any
Speaker 16: kind of intellectual research. Me personally, being outside of the
Speaker 16: system and just doing nothing but research for the last
Speaker 16: thirty five years, you almost in a certain way alienate
Speaker 16: yourself from a certain subset of people. But at the
Speaker 16: same time, you have this creative motion of function where
Speaker 16: you're constantly producing and making output, and.
Speaker 1: And there's good years and.
Speaker 16: There's bad years, and you kind of sail through this
Speaker 16: sea over all this time. Do you find yourself constantly
Speaker 16: trying to reinvent yourself or are you happy with a
Speaker 16: general production level where you're at now? You know, I
Speaker 16: mean there's this constant struggle with you know, it's like sometimes,
Speaker 16: you know, after thirty five years of this, I say,
Speaker 16: you know, I want to run away and join the
Speaker 16: office because I worked twenty four hours a day, seven
Speaker 16: days a week. I'm always on call. It's just, you know,
Speaker 16: it's a whole different lifestyle, but your work becomes your life.
Speaker 3: Basically. Yeah, brass is always greener, as they say, but
Speaker 3: as they say, yeah, I kind of agree with that.
Speaker 14: When I was in Armenia with Graham Hancock on this
Speaker 14: research tour, my website went down and I was in
Speaker 14: Armenia with no signal and people are like, your website's
Speaker 14: just completely not there. And I didn't have people at
Speaker 14: that time to help, so I'm like, Okay, my flight's
Speaker 14: in six days. I guess I'll just hate the rest
Speaker 14: of this trip until I can get back home. And
Speaker 14: you know that stuff happens. Your website is your store
Speaker 14: and you're the manager, and you got to make sure
Speaker 14: it's always open.
Speaker 13: Ye.
Speaker 14: But yeah, in terms of evolution, it's funny because I
Speaker 14: am of two minds. Like I've said, it's a refinement process. Yes,
Speaker 14: I think I got better over time by learning on
Speaker 14: the air in real time as I had to go.
Speaker 14: It started as a comedy podcast where I wanted to
Speaker 14: talk to a group of comedians about conspiratorial topics.
Speaker 15: I quickly learned some of them.
Speaker 14: Are just here to get airtime and they don't care
Speaker 14: about these subjects at all, and the other ones are
Speaker 14: more focused on making jokes. This isn't exactly what I wanted.
Speaker 14: It's not getting deep in any kind of regard. But
Speaker 14: I was going through like Ari Shaffer, Joey Diaz for
Speaker 14: people who listen to comedy podcasts like That's who my
Speaker 14: early interviews were. And then I did Marko Tasari on
Speaker 14: I was like, Okay, this is way closer to what
Speaker 14: I would want to listen to.
Speaker 15: So it is a refinement process.
Speaker 14: Some people would close down shop and open up under
Speaker 14: a new brand and all this kind of stuff that's
Speaker 14: what people do today because they know a lucrative podcast is.
Speaker 15: And how it's all got to be like polished and tight.
Speaker 14: But I really wasn't like that at the time, And
Speaker 14: then I had people send me stuff where a couple
Speaker 14: other shows were like, hey, this, since mimicking your cadence
Speaker 14: and the way you do intro. So then I actually
Speaker 14: honed down into an exact process so that that kind
Speaker 14: of mimicry would be more recognizable, because now here's an
Speaker 14: actual formula that I use and I'm comfortable using it,
Speaker 14: and you know, I just there's so much vagaries around,
Speaker 14: like is this person stealing the cadence of this? You
Speaker 14: know a lot of people think Danny Jones basically took
Speaker 14: the exact Rogan model and then applied it to the
Speaker 14: stuff we're interested in.
Speaker 3: Sure anyone can do that.
Speaker 14: People have been talking to microphones a long time. No
Speaker 14: one has a true monopoly on that. But you don't
Speaker 14: like to see yourself copied or whatever. So I guess
Speaker 14: I basically to answer the question, yeah, it's been a
Speaker 14: prod a process of refinement, but also I tried to
Speaker 14: standardize what you expect from my show like, here's a
Speaker 14: polished intro that gets us in within two minutes.
Speaker 15: There are no ads or no sponsors. We're going right
Speaker 15: to the meet.
Speaker 14: I try to use the intro to get further downfield
Speaker 14: than just saying, so, tell me your thoughts on UFOs.
Speaker 14: It's like, no, that was in the intro. Now I
Speaker 14: want to know your thoughts. You know your level eleven
Speaker 14: thoughts on UFOs? You know what about these things that?
Speaker 14: So I try to use the intro to really, with
Speaker 14: a show that's broad, you kind of have to prep people,
Speaker 14: prime them for this topic this time because it does shift.
Speaker 14: But you caught me right on the cusp of moving
Speaker 14: to video. We could call it THHC TV because I
Speaker 14: think it falls well. But I'm still coming, like there's
Speaker 14: kinks to be worked out, but as of the first
Speaker 14: of June, it's going to be a video show.
Speaker 3: And that is largely due to the market.
Speaker 14: Like I see all these shows that have existed for
Speaker 14: half the time where posts don't even read the work
Speaker 14: of the guests like I do, and then they're rocketing
Speaker 14: past me. And it's because things evolve and things change,
Speaker 14: and I'm being dragged, kicking and screaming into video. I
Speaker 14: will get better at it as I go, and if
Speaker 14: I'm kind of starting over, But it's partly what I want,
Speaker 14: partly what seems to work. So I know growing up
Speaker 14: watching this stuff. I'm forty years old now, which is
Speaker 14: hard to believe, but I know a lot of guys
Speaker 14: I watched and they got passed up by podcasting. You know,
Speaker 14: why wasn't Coast to Coast am Why didn't it convert
Speaker 14: to a podcast? Guys like Jeff Rentz and Alan Watt, Like,
Speaker 14: there's a lot of conspiracy centric people. Even I love
Speaker 14: Clyde Lewis, but I might put him in that category.
Speaker 14: Two people who are like, we're doing radio shows, I
Speaker 14: don't care about this podcasting thing. Well, those people have
Speaker 14: had a hard time maintaining an audience in this ecosystem.
Speaker 14: So I have enough awareness to see that and then
Speaker 14: see like what we're doing here and seeing when I
Speaker 14: appear on other shows what it looks like. And I'm like,
Speaker 14: my appearance on another show looks better than my own show.
Speaker 14: This cannot stand and we must fix it. So I'm
Speaker 14: doing it from a studio. I'm trying to do it.
Speaker 14: I tried to do audio at the highest level I'm
Speaker 14: capable of. Its not the best show in the world,
Speaker 14: but it's the best show I can produce. And I'm
Speaker 14: gonna try to do the same mindset with video, and
Speaker 14: I will embrace and prepare for any other changes within
Speaker 14: this space except pretty much AI. I'm not gonna do
Speaker 14: the baby animated thing that people think is fun now.
Speaker 16: I think that that when you look at the whole
Speaker 16: process as far as you know, you've been doing this
Speaker 16: fifteen years now, and just the whole problem. I mean,
Speaker 16: it's an expansive process. There's gonna be times of dormancy
Speaker 16: and times of growth, and it's a developmental process, like
Speaker 16: you were saying as far as the refinement. But I find,
Speaker 16: even after all these years, the only factor that really
Speaker 16: bothers me is just getting old because I'm constantly coming
Speaker 16: into the newness and the refinement and you know, this
Speaker 16: just bringing it, trying to take myself essentially, you know,
Speaker 16: and I'm sure like you two higher levels of understanding
Speaker 16: and you know, creating more beautiful product.
Speaker 14: I agree, and AI is a little bit of a
Speaker 14: part of that. What I don't like is people using
Speaker 14: AI editing because it's just off putting to me. And
Speaker 14: this whole idea of, oh, just turn the person into
Speaker 14: an animated baby or an animated be a reptilian for
Speaker 14: this episode, and they can match and sync the lips
Speaker 14: up perfectly. But like, we don't need to do that,
Speaker 14: Like people are people, and it's okay to just look
Speaker 14: at the person speaking.
Speaker 15: But yeah, AI tools helped polish it.
Speaker 14: It's a little bittersweet because when I started, there were
Speaker 14: very few tools, so I was willing to learn the
Speaker 14: available tools and build things into my website, Like I
Speaker 14: built Patreon before Patreon existed, and it's in my website
Speaker 14: for just me, and then it came out for everybody
Speaker 14: and now everybody has it. So it's nice because I
Speaker 14: have Patreon too and some tools I do use, but
Speaker 14: not having those tools is what separated the people who
Speaker 14: are really going to go the extra mile from those
Speaker 14: who would get lazy and fall off. So it's made
Speaker 14: it easy for everybody else. But I definitely take advantage
Speaker 14: of some of those tools too, and having kids, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 14: anything to make it easier.
Speaker 3: AI.
Speaker 14: I'm not at the point and probably won't get to
Speaker 14: the point, like I'm always going to read the book.
Speaker 15: It's part of my process. It must happen.
Speaker 14: But now people who don't want to read the book
Speaker 14: can do an AI summary and act like they know
Speaker 14: a little bit more and invests just a third of
Speaker 14: the time. So that's frustrating for a person who's actually
Speaker 14: reading the book. But I don't trust AI to pull
Speaker 14: out that one line on page eighty nine that I
Speaker 14: want to ask about, because you know, you can't trust
Speaker 14: them to know the AI to know what's right. Will
Speaker 14: it get better, sure, whatever, But what I think AI
Speaker 14: is cool for is like I interviewed doctor Stephen Skinner,
Speaker 14: who I think most people know, and he's a scholar
Speaker 14: of Western esotericism and he's translated a lot of books,
Speaker 14: and I think that's amazing. When I interviewed him, it
Speaker 14: was like the first time I was like, Wow, there's
Speaker 14: still all this magical literature, occult litter and all these
Speaker 14: other languages that has not been translated because a lot
Speaker 14: of times or mistranslated because the people looking at it
Speaker 14: don't even believe in magic, so you get one word
Speaker 14: wrong and it doesn't mean anything. So I do think
Speaker 14: AI in that regard is really interesting. Let's put it
Speaker 14: all through. Let's ask chatch deeply at least get us
Speaker 14: a starting place. You know, you could take in a
Speaker 14: day a bunch of stuff that isn't translated. Anyone could
Speaker 14: as long as you have access to the initial digitized
Speaker 14: file of something, whether it's Latin or whatever, like play
Speaker 14: around with it.
Speaker 3: And we have now got tools where we can.
Speaker 14: Resurrect old rituals or old occult understandings that.
Speaker 15: Weren't meant for anybody else. Yes, yeah, you can do
Speaker 15: it instantly.
Speaker 3: I've thought about that because I've gone down to the
Speaker 3: bin Key Library that was in Yale, that's over in Yale,
Speaker 3: and like I've actually like touched like certain like Heimrikouonroth
Speaker 3: books and you know, like and taken pictures and videos
Speaker 3: of these things. I'm like, yo, if I could probably
Speaker 3: get somehow aid to like maybe like trying to trensk
Speaker 3: right that. Yeah, it's pretty impressive.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 16: I did see that they had an AI that was
Speaker 16: specifically working on the uh, the Sumerian clay tablets to translate,
Speaker 16: because there's hundreds of thousands of those, so you're just
Speaker 16: skiining them in and they have an AI that to
Speaker 16: actively translate. So we're gonna have some more you know,
Speaker 16: epic of Gilgamesh and kind of this library of Ashabonopaul
Speaker 16: that's gonna proceed to come forth that they didn't even
Speaker 16: know about in the late eighteen hundreds. As far as
Speaker 16: Yes America, you know.
Speaker 14: I would be a little careful with that stuff because
Speaker 14: you still have an interpretation from academia presenting something on
Speaker 14: Discovery Channel. This is the new understanding. It's barely different
Speaker 14: than the old understanding. But now we have it confirmed
Speaker 14: because AI now that's gonna be happening. But you can
Speaker 14: do it yourself. That's what I think is so great.
Speaker 14: And then you know, you could read between the lines,
Speaker 14: because I do think some of these programs have a
Speaker 14: neutrality to them, but some of also don't. You ask
Speaker 14: a lot of these programs what happened on nine to eleven?
Speaker 14: Might as well might as well ask Chris Wallace or
Speaker 14: Anderson Cooper, because they will give you their answer. You know,
Speaker 14: there's a consensus answer. That's what it's good for in
Speaker 14: those kind of situations, and then there's a you know,
Speaker 14: a more alternative answer. But I think with translations, that's
Speaker 14: so mathematical in a sense that I do think that
Speaker 14: you can trust it to get some things right. But
Speaker 14: they're going to try to shut a lot of that down.
Speaker 14: But yeah, you know you have access to it right now.
Speaker 3: Real quick, real quick. If you don't just getting real quick,
Speaker 3: I'm just going to remove Robbie, bring Julia back, and
Speaker 3: I think at LIASA did happen at Lisa did have
Speaker 3: a question real quick too, and then we'll get to
Speaker 3: somebody else.
Speaker 5: Yes, I wanted to build upon what everybody has been
Speaker 5: saying lately, and then what you had said right now, Greg.
Speaker 5: And then so over the years you have interviewed like
Speaker 5: an enormous amount of alternative researchers, do you notice any
Speaker 5: like metapatterns, synchronicities, something that points to a deeper structure
Speaker 5: within this conspiracy ecosystem.
Speaker 6: To use that word that you use itself.
Speaker 5: And then the second parts of the question is with
Speaker 5: all the fringe thinkers that you have interviewed and in
Speaker 5: this age of conspiratuality and to distill down even further
Speaker 5: these algorithm driven bubbles, do you see like a deliberate
Speaker 5: hypernormalization or is it all just like ontological paralysis rather
Speaker 5: than just plainal censorship.
Speaker 14: Oh man, well, some of that speaks to like I
Speaker 14: just did a live event with Gordon White, and the
Speaker 14: whole subject was the conspiracy canon. It was his idea.
Speaker 14: But how has the canon changed over time, like you know,
Speaker 14: like a film canon or whatever. And it makes you
Speaker 14: think a lot of it is just the impact of
Speaker 14: algorithms and the Internet, like you have to have the
Speaker 14: most explosive thing, not the truest thing, and you know,
Speaker 14: just to take it from the top.
Speaker 3: Back in the day there was JFK.
Speaker 14: You can bring it up to nine to eleven, but
Speaker 14: a lot of it's the CIA and the economic hitman
Speaker 14: type of stuff. Maybe a little eufology peppered in there,
Speaker 14: but there's a canon of a dozen or so events
Speaker 14: and subjects that people are looking at under the microscope,
Speaker 14: and that's it. You go to conspiracy Con in nineteen
Speaker 14: ninety five, that's who you're talking to, you know, minus
Speaker 14: the nine to eleven thing. Moon landing, yeah, might be included,
Speaker 14: But now it is all about the iceberg and like
Speaker 14: what's the craziest idea. It's not even about like what
Speaker 14: is the truth? It's like, what is the craziest thought
Speaker 14: I can have? And then how can I make that
Speaker 14: seem like the reality? And that's difficult because that's not
Speaker 14: exactly what I ever really wanted to do. I thought
Speaker 14: the truth was kind of crazy enough, But now we're
Speaker 14: talking about just all kinds of things I never thought
Speaker 14: would enter the conversation, Like people like our virus is
Speaker 14: even real?
Speaker 3: Is the past even real at all?
Speaker 13: Like?
Speaker 14: Was there an extra thousand years inserted into the system?
Speaker 14: Was there a lost society of amazing architects who knew
Speaker 14: about the ether that have been wiped out of the
Speaker 14: history books And a lot of that can't exist because
Speaker 14: the system has been so highly controlled, And the further
Speaker 14: you go back, the more control. A lot of our
Speaker 14: history comes from, like three guys Scallenger and a couple
Speaker 14: of other monks in the Vatican basement, Like not exactly
Speaker 14: truthful sources. What do I know about Herodonis as a person?
Speaker 14: You know, like not anything? Did he genuinely just want
Speaker 14: to write down everything that happened? Or was he working
Speaker 14: for an empire that wanted him to write it a
Speaker 14: certain way? We should probably know because that's kind of
Speaker 14: the only source we have for a lot of things
Speaker 14: we take for granted. So I understand why that exists
Speaker 14: and we can't play with it a little bit. But
Speaker 14: it's a little disappointing that sometimes the people who get
Speaker 14: attention to the conspiracy spirit today, they're not really in
Speaker 14: it for the truth. They're more pranksters, and they're more trying.
Speaker 14: They are trying to ontologically shock people, but it isn't
Speaker 14: about there being a fundamental truth to what they're saying.
Speaker 14: In some cases, and not to name names, but it's
Speaker 14: just something we have to compete with. We have to
Speaker 14: try to be genuine and truth seeking and entertaining and
Speaker 14: actually explaining some thing to people, but also compete with
Speaker 14: ones who are just trying to be shocking, getting the
Speaker 14: best thumbnail and all that kind of shit. I never
Speaker 14: wanted to get into thumbnails and nonsense like that. I
Speaker 14: have one hundred thousand YouTube subscribers and it's just audio.
Speaker 14: I mean, that's pretty crazy, and obviously I'm going to
Speaker 14: pivot that, but it's just like now I can't even
Speaker 14: get five thousand people to watch a video. I don't
Speaker 14: care that much about YouTube because I don't do ads,
Speaker 14: so who cares. As long as people pay for the
Speaker 14: extended version of the show, that's what I am in
Speaker 14: the business for. But because it's not ad base, that
Speaker 14: doesn't matter. So I'm not really playing the chase the
Speaker 14: algorithm game. And also it's not genuine and I think
Speaker 14: that the worst thing I could do is like go
Speaker 14: in some disingenuous direction. But yeah, that's kind of some
Speaker 14: of the things that I think have changed, and it
Speaker 14: does make it tougher.
Speaker 9: May I ask as a follow up to that, there
Speaker 9: seems to be like a long time conspiracy theory theory
Speaker 9: if you will to where if you mention anything related
Speaker 9: to something conspiratorial that someone isn't familiar with, let alone
Speaker 9: use that phrase, they try to put you into a box.
Speaker 9: And kind of second part is this cultural phenomenon that
Speaker 9: now we're dealing with more frequently where there's like a
Speaker 9: trigger conspiracy where if you are rightfully angry at your
Speaker 9: own exploitation and step out of line, people will kind
Speaker 9: of put you into that same box as this conspiracy
Speaker 9: theory idea. I just wanted to ask what your experience
Speaker 9: has been with that.
Speaker 14: Well on the second point, the trigger, yeah, I definitely
Speaker 14: think so part of that is like the ignorance is
Speaker 14: bliss thing. A lot of people don't want to be
Speaker 14: confronted with the fact that they might not be happy
Speaker 14: living the life they're living, and so you see someone
Speaker 14: like I have friends like this at the time, they
Speaker 14: were working store manager jobs and they are happy or
Speaker 14: they seem happy, and I'm the one who's not.
Speaker 15: You don't always want to be around that.
Speaker 14: You don't want to be reminded that we're all getting
Speaker 14: to be thirty years old and we all run million
Speaker 14: dollar stores.
Speaker 15: And none of us can own a home.
Speaker 14: Guys.
Speaker 15: You know, that's the kind of.
Speaker 14: Stuff I would say at these regional meetings with other managers,
Speaker 14: and like, stop drinking the kool aid so much. If
Speaker 14: we're here next year, we all fucked up, guys, this
Speaker 14: is the year to get out of this. That's the
Speaker 14: kind of shit I would say. And some people were like,
Speaker 14: I like this guy, and other people really didn't want
Speaker 14: to be reminded that they shouldn't be happy in the
Speaker 14: situation they are because changing it is so hard.
Speaker 3: That's why.
Speaker 14: It's because you have a five percent chance of probably
Speaker 14: making it and getting out because the system is crafted
Speaker 14: that way. So yeah, people don't like that. But also
Speaker 14: the triggering kind of conspiracy thing makes me think of
Speaker 14: the archetype they would present to us in movies and TV,
Speaker 14: where it's like you're a paranoid, schizophrenic, crazy person, and
Speaker 14: that kind of enforces the idea, don't look at this stuff,
Speaker 14: just leave it alone, live your nice, comfortable, regular life
Speaker 14: where you have your brain intact. Because look at this guy.
Speaker 14: He went down a few two rabbit holes. Now he's
Speaker 14: going to the padded room on the funny farm. You know,
Speaker 14: those are the terms they would use. So even I
Speaker 14: think about the poster for I never even saw the
Speaker 14: movie The Number twenty three with Jim Carrey, but I
Speaker 14: didn't really have to see it. You just know from
Speaker 14: the marketing what was about noticing patterns and then spinning
Speaker 14: off in a crazy land, So like, don't notice patterns, guys,
Speaker 14: just stop trying to do that. So yeah, I think
Speaker 14: that it's partly the archetype they showed people to keep
Speaker 14: them from going down those rabbit holes. But then it's
Speaker 14: also people are willing to accept that archetype because they
Speaker 14: want to believe that that's not going to serve them better.
Speaker 14: And that's kind of when I started the show. I
Speaker 14: was like, well, if we're going to get a more
Speaker 14: accurate worldview out of all this, if we're going to
Speaker 14: get a better roadmap for how things actually work, then
Speaker 14: it should improve your life.
Speaker 3: In some way.
Speaker 14: I'm not saying we're going to change the system since
Speaker 14: has been going a long time. Empire is going to
Speaker 14: do what empire does. But how can you reorient yourself?
Speaker 14: How can you let it not affect you as much?
Speaker 14: Maybe you can dodge this bullet, but you get hit
Speaker 14: by these two. There's so many things going on, Like
Speaker 14: if you can just dodge some of the big stuff
Speaker 14: or know what you want, then you can start to
Speaker 14: get there. Know that you don't want to waste the
Speaker 14: time on the couch at night. It's not fulfilling to you.
Speaker 14: The job isn't fulfilling. You have to generate those earlier
Speaker 14: feelings that we talked about that something must change to
Speaker 14: then change it.
Speaker 3: So, but it's scary.
Speaker 14: It's just scary to even confront that possibility that you
Speaker 14: have to take your life in your own hands, because
Speaker 14: you just what if it doesn't work out? You know,
Speaker 14: I'd rather be at least safe here at home and
Speaker 14: unhappy than homeless or something like that, because you just
Speaker 14: you imagine yourself being just as unhappy but with less
Speaker 14: stuff too. It's like, well that's worse, I guess so,
Speaker 14: And the first thing you were talking about being put
Speaker 14: in the box and using certain terms are It's like,
Speaker 14: are you talking about Like if you even think that
Speaker 14: we should do safety tests, then you're an anti vaxer.
Speaker 14: Like there are those boxes that people get put into
Speaker 14: flat Earth. There's another one. If you think that there's
Speaker 14: just something up with the way NASA is presenting the
Speaker 14: larger system. We have this blue marble picture from the
Speaker 14: nineteen seventies. They said is a picture of Earth, but
Speaker 14: then they said it's not. It's a composite. And now
Speaker 14: Earth's an oblate speroid. But I've never seen an oblate
Speaker 14: spir speroid picture.
Speaker 3: Of the Earth.
Speaker 15: It's like, what is going on there?
Speaker 14: You know, just because you have some questions about how
Speaker 14: things are presented doesn't mean you're a flat earther. But yeah,
Speaker 14: this is the tendency. That's the way the mainstream marginalizes everyone.
Speaker 14: It used to be just the term conspiracy theorist in general,
Speaker 14: it is a CIA created term to be like, oh,
Speaker 14: that person doesn't go for the facts. They're a conspiracy theorist,
Speaker 14: dot connector down in rabbit oles, this and that. How
Speaker 14: you handwave of it and dismiss those kind of people,
Speaker 14: but there are now ones for basically each individual topic,
Speaker 14: which is interesting if you yeah, the anti vaxxer, the
Speaker 14: flat earther, now there's the germ theory thing, there's oh,
Speaker 14: you're a tartaria person.
Speaker 15: It's just it's all straw men.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 14: That's kind of classic dismissal if you don't want to
Speaker 14: confront something. But yeah, it's also nice to try to
Speaker 14: avoid making it easier for them to put you in
Speaker 14: those boxes, because the answer is to try to get
Speaker 14: to the nuance of certain points and then get people
Speaker 14: to think outside of their pre program box.
Speaker 3: They're the ones in the box, not us. Well said,
Speaker 3: did anybody else have any questions?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, appreciate Greg carl Well again, JJ Vance not.
Speaker 8: The vice president. Great to meet you, sir. I enjoyed
Speaker 8: hearing about your your journey there. I I would like
Speaker 8: to hear some of your thoughts maybe on some of
Speaker 8: the how your thoughts have evolved on some of these
Speaker 8: subjects you've covered, and notably in particular, loader a topic
Speaker 8: that I discovered from your show years ago on the
Speaker 8: work of Adam go rightly in your in your interviews
Speaker 8: and collaborations with him. The topic was Tuesday. Well and Julia,
Speaker 8: Julie and I recently uh got subjects.
Speaker 3: Wow, wow you really are going back probably deep cut?
Speaker 4: Yeah, deep cut.
Speaker 14: Well, let's just say about Adam go Rightly. I like
Speaker 14: and appreciate Adam go Rightly. He at a time when
Speaker 14: I I never really wanted to do the show myself,
Speaker 14: but I have. I had a couple of buddies that
Speaker 14: were gonna do it with me, and they just weren't
Speaker 14: as dedicated. So I was like, well, I guess I
Speaker 14: will do it myself. But then I started to have
Speaker 14: cycling co hosts. So I do a show every say Saturday,
Speaker 14: and the first Saturday would be me alone, second Saturday,
Speaker 14: this other guy, third Saturday, this other guy. One of
Speaker 14: them was Adam go Rightly. So he was on like
Speaker 14: every fourth show, and I'm way more interested in things
Speaker 14: like James Shelby Downard. Now, I don't really like the
Speaker 14: discordionism stuff because again, that's like a prankster thing. It
Speaker 14: seems like an early QAnon type thing. And the way
Speaker 14: Adam would write sometimes I'm like, are you just again
Speaker 14: like you don't believe this, It doesn't seem but you're
Speaker 14: writing it, so like maybe it's true, but you don't
Speaker 14: believe it, So like, what are we doing here? Like
Speaker 14: are you just trying to be provocative? Are you trying
Speaker 14: to entertaining or be truthful? But we had a little
Speaker 14: bit of a falling out. Not I wouldn't even say
Speaker 14: a falling out. I have no problem, but just a
Speaker 14: weird Twitter spat before the last election. And it just
Speaker 14: seems like he drinks.
Speaker 15: The liberal kool aid.
Speaker 14: And he went on a big liberal rant to me
Speaker 14: about like, oh, it's the right wing that's bad and
Speaker 14: blah blah blah, and like they're all politicians. Man, the
Speaker 14: pendulum swings both ways. You don't have to do this
Speaker 14: just because we're talking about an issue with corruption on
Speaker 14: the left. You don't have to say, well, what about
Speaker 14: the right. It's like, we're not talking about that right now,
Speaker 14: that's tomorrow subject. Today, we're talking about this side, okay.
Speaker 14: And it just seemed like he was not willing at
Speaker 14: all to confront the corruption that heads his own philosophical
Speaker 14: leaning party. It's like, come on, it's on both sides.
Speaker 14: So that was a little frustrating to experience. And I
Speaker 14: think he has worse feelings about me from that exchange.
Speaker 14: Than I have about him, because I don't take it
Speaker 14: all that seriously. I'm not super vested in one team
Speaker 14: over the other, but you know, it seems like he was.
Speaker 14: And another thing that has happened to me is people
Speaker 14: are so prepared for you to just become alt right.
Speaker 14: They just they've been primed, so they're looking for it.
Speaker 14: So when you criticize the other side, they're like, oh,
Speaker 14: this is the transition, this is how it happens. You know,
Speaker 14: all of a sudden, you're gonna be off there at
Speaker 14: Tucker Carlson. It's like, not really, but we have to
Speaker 14: be able to criticize both teams or whatever. But you know,
Speaker 14: Adam Gorighty, it's like, you're a guy who probably i'd
Speaker 14: say I'm pretty pretty sure, voted for Obama twice, voted
Speaker 14: for Hillary, voted for Biden, and now you're yelling at
Speaker 14: me on the internet because the people that head the
Speaker 14: left are being called into criticism. It's like, if you're
Speaker 14: just voting for the mainstream party and the mainstream candidates, Like,
Speaker 14: what are you doing in conspiracy research?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 14: Honestly, like, what are we doing here? You don't thought
Speaker 14: it was provocative? That's what you did.
Speaker 4: I thought you got very polarizing. Yeah, years ago. I
Speaker 4: didn't mean to.
Speaker 8: It was a deeper cut than I thought there, Greg,
Speaker 8: I apologized for bringing that up there, and we you know,
Speaker 8: I have a similar take on Discordianism and his writings.
Speaker 8: I like to I don't like to throw the baby
Speaker 8: out with the bathtub, and you know, regarding Discordionism, what
Speaker 8: I find interesting and something Heidi and I have been
Speaker 8: working on is this looking at some of the genealogy.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm a former Mormon, heid he's a former
Speaker 8: Mormon looking at some of this occult genealogy of folks
Speaker 8: like Parsons and you know, other folks within within the
Speaker 8: Mormon sphere as well, like Carrie Thornley. His entire family
Speaker 8: tree is pioneering Mormon families. And you know what troubles
Speaker 8: me is his associations with the Processed Church of the
Speaker 8: Final Judgment, because they certainly do act as similar to
Speaker 8: an offshoot of some of their operations within creating chaos.
Speaker 8: And Thornley just finds himself in around Atlanta, you know,
Speaker 8: around the similar process activities come nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I just I definitely tried that stuff out because
Speaker 14: of Adam and our friendship and if he is interested,
Speaker 14: I became interest. And then after a while I was like,
Speaker 14: I feel like I'm just wasting time here because I
Speaker 14: just don't know if anyone's genuine. I just had to
Speaker 14: put it down, shut down to figure it out. But
Speaker 14: it's kind of like a lot of the sixties stuff too.
Speaker 14: I just like, I don't I just don't know. Especially
Speaker 14: when you get into Dave McGowan. You just see how
Speaker 14: many of the artists were the sons and daughters of
Speaker 14: military intelligence, and you're like, absolutely, well that's an op
Speaker 14: that's kind of how it's to be.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite wheelhouse, Laurel Canyon.
Speaker 8: And that same pattern applies to Seattle grunch scene as well.
Speaker 8: So I mean it's it seems to be a circumstance.
Speaker 8: These these same patterns from the McGowan identified and Laurel
Speaker 8: Canyon seemed topplay elsewhere in music scenes.
Speaker 14: Yeah, and I wonder, like, what's up with the grunge thing.
Speaker 14: I guess the whole point was it grunges hippie adjacent.
Speaker 14: It's just like, you know, do heroin and be a
Speaker 14: slob and just don't care for me.
Speaker 1: Love Courtney Love. She's cias a motherfucker.
Speaker 4: Oh the whole movie CIA for sure, Absolutely.
Speaker 14: Yeah, Courtney Love. John Pittash does some great work on
Speaker 14: Courtney Love. And she was over in the UK selling
Speaker 14: drugs at festivals. Basically that's what a lot of these
Speaker 14: CIA plants in the music scene would do, is sell
Speaker 14: drugs in the festival scene and wouldn't get caught because
Speaker 14: they're connected. But apparently she went from that to being
Speaker 14: a groupie to being married to Kurt Cobain, So it
Speaker 14: gets weird. But now I think the big thing is
Speaker 14: it's crazy because I become an old man, I'm like,
Speaker 14: I can't believe what the kids are doing.
Speaker 15: But now you got like.
Speaker 14: Little Zan, Little Zan now yeah, corporate drugs being branded
Speaker 14: as the party drugs, Like, can't we at least stick
Speaker 14: to things that grow in the earth, like we're promoting
Speaker 14: xanax now it it's strange. And then the face tattoos,
Speaker 14: I think that is like the last thing you can
Speaker 14: do if you convince I mean there's other things that
Speaker 14: they seem to be doing to kids that are permanent too,
Speaker 14: but if you can convince someone eighteen to twenty eight
Speaker 14: to get a face tattoo like I mean, if the
Speaker 14: so one of my big conspiracy premises is that the
Speaker 14: things they do are really just to ensure they never
Speaker 14: have competition in the wealth game. If you want to
Speaker 14: cut the knees out from someone trying to climb a
Speaker 14: ladder of developing wealth and starting a business, get them
Speaker 14: to tattoo their face, because that's going to be very
Speaker 14: hard for them.
Speaker 17: Now.
Speaker 1: But I want to look like Posts Malone.
Speaker 14: Exactly exactly Pete Davidson. You know all the girls love
Speaker 14: Pete Davidson. He's covered head to toe in tattoos and
Speaker 14: looks like a dupis. I should act like that and
Speaker 14: do what he does.
Speaker 12: I actually have a question for you that goes kind
Speaker 12: of along the Laurel Canyon thing. If nobody else has
Speaker 12: a question, I don't want to skip anybody's turn. Do
Speaker 12: you feel like the podcasting world right now is Laurel
Speaker 12: Canyon esque?
Speaker 1: Because I do. I feel like there's gatekeeping.
Speaker 12: I feel like only certain people can get to the
Speaker 12: to only certain topics can get there.
Speaker 1: You have to fit a certain mold.
Speaker 12: Now, it's like be a Christian conspiracy podcaster, do this,
Speaker 12: do that? Russell Brand, Joe Rogan hate to say it
Speaker 12: tinfoil hat. I mean, I'm just saying I feel like
Speaker 12: there's a moral Canyon esque behavior going on, and I
Speaker 12: wonder what your opinion of that is.
Speaker 14: Well, yeah, I mean, you're gonna get me in trouble.
Speaker 14: But I do think that that's happening, so agreed. The
Speaker 14: thing is that some people think it's sour grapes, like well,
Speaker 14: why am I not at the top of the charts
Speaker 14: and this and that, I'm no where I am in
Speaker 14: the charts. I'd never thought i'd be on any charts.
Speaker 14: And I make a really good living and I don't
Speaker 14: ever take AD money. I mean that there's no one.
Speaker 14: I can't think of another person who is as successful
Speaker 14: as I am without going into the AD infrastructure and
Speaker 14: has done it for fifteen years.
Speaker 15: So I'm pretty coming.
Speaker 1: I think that's admirable.
Speaker 12: But I do think there's a lot of like I
Speaker 12: don't know suspect to say the least with like what
Speaker 12: topics get big and like, yeah.
Speaker 14: Well that's driven that's driven by somewhat the AD revenue.
Speaker 14: And I'm actually talking to a guy tomorrow seven C's.
Speaker 14: He does these big webs of connections that shows Here
Speaker 14: are the major companies that advertise on podcasts. Here are
Speaker 14: the people who own these companies. Some of them are
Speaker 14: like Peter Thiel and Peter Too Technocracy and stuff. So
Speaker 14: you have these very people funding the brands that seem
Speaker 14: innoculous and innocent enough that are fueling podcasters to six
Speaker 14: and sec seven figure wealth. That's a big deal. So yeah,
Speaker 14: it's like it's definitely happening. And some of it is
Speaker 14: like probably a bit of networking. Like you'll have some
Speaker 14: shows where it seems like every week they're talking to
Speaker 14: some CIA whistleblower or military intelligence with blower. It's like, well,
Speaker 14: there's not that many of them to base your whole
Speaker 14: show on a revolving door of these whistleblowers. Maybe these
Speaker 14: are people who are seating a narrative in the alternative culture.
Speaker 14: It seems like that's kind of what's really happening.
Speaker 12: But Candice Owens gits me every time because I feel
Speaker 12: like she she like switched up, like halfway through her
Speaker 12: she was all trumping and now she's talking to like XCIA,
Speaker 12: and like she has some good episodes, and I like
Speaker 12: some of her research. Don't get me wrong. I'll listen
Speaker 12: to an episode or two. But I just think that, yeah,
Speaker 12: I mean, it just seems like Russell Brand is like
Speaker 12: that everybody's coming out as a Christian or everybody's coming out.
Speaker 12: It's like this is the thing to talk about. And
Speaker 12: I wonder how if they're genuine, you know, I hate
Speaker 12: disingenuine podcast hosts because it's like I want to learn
Speaker 12: something from you, I want to like you, but you
Speaker 12: make it fucking impossible because I don't know if you're
Speaker 12: if you have any integrity.
Speaker 17: You know what I'm say right, everybody, everybody knows this
Speaker 17: is my big like whistle to blow within the podcast community,
Speaker 17: I think, and I get some fair backlash for it,
Speaker 17: But if you want to know the fruits of people's labors,
Speaker 17: why don't you watch?
Speaker 13: And then on top of it, if you aren't bought in,
Speaker 13: like what Greg's saying there about like who finances who?
Speaker 3: I always look at stockholdings.
Speaker 13: I always look at all this stuff for these big corporations,
Speaker 13: like who's playing in Who's field?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 13: And then genealogy, As JJ said, you either butt your
Speaker 13: way in or your blood your way in.
Speaker 3: And that's the only two ways there is, especially.
Speaker 14: In conspiracy pot or I'm sorry. In comedy podcasting in particular,
Speaker 14: it's hard to find a comedian podcaster in the top
Speaker 14: ten that doesn't have something going on.
Speaker 15: Usually just really rich connected.
Speaker 1: Parents, you know, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 14: Brian Callen gets it all the time because Brian Callen
Speaker 14: dad is a CFR think tank banker guy. But it
Speaker 14: doesn't just stop there. I mean there's other ones that
Speaker 14: have hedge fund manager fathers. And Theovon's dad was some
Speaker 14: Polish aristocrat. It's like theovonn you know, you can't that's
Speaker 14: the other thing. You can't control what your parents did.
Speaker 14: You're born into this life. You're born into the skin
Speaker 14: you're born in, and you're born into the family you're
Speaker 14: born in, and that shouldn't stop you from doing whatever
Speaker 14: you want to do. And if your parents give you
Speaker 14: a little seed money, I don't think that's bad. So
Speaker 14: I don't really have a problem with that. It's about
Speaker 14: it if you're using it to you know, do information,
Speaker 14: you know, disinformation filtered out through your podcast.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 14: But then the thing is is like Theovon's got this
Speaker 14: dad right, who is a Polish aristocrat, and you can say, well,
Speaker 14: his dad was like something crazy like seventy when THEO
Speaker 14: was born or something really crazy like that, and so
Speaker 14: he didn't really even know his dad very well. But
Speaker 14: there might have been some benefits and some effects, but
Speaker 14: he probably just wanted to grow up with a dad.
Speaker 14: And now the internet's raking him over the coals for this.
Speaker 14: But on the other hand, he is interviewing Trump. He's
Speaker 14: interviewing the president. So what's going on here, because it
Speaker 14: seems like those connections do management interviewing the president, well,
Speaker 14: he already did. Oh fuck, he did a three hour
Speaker 14: interview with Trump before he got elected, and right before
Speaker 14: before Rogan did even.
Speaker 4: Comedy store.
Speaker 1: There you go, JJ, I want to like these people,
Speaker 1: but there's just too much.
Speaker 14: I don't know if I would lump Sam Tripoli in there, though.
Speaker 14: I mean, I know you, I heard you mentioned him.
Speaker 14: I was a little nervous.
Speaker 3: I was like, is this a gootcha?
Speaker 14: Because I think that the occult rejects and and and
Speaker 14: Sam had a dust up.
Speaker 15: I don't know what it was about. I just know
Speaker 15: he's been nice to me.
Speaker 14: He let me live out some fantasies of performing at
Speaker 14: the comedy store that I had no business doing.
Speaker 15: But now I can at least write it off like
Speaker 15: I did do that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I've met him a couple of I mean, I
Speaker 12: don't have anything against him or anything like that. I
Speaker 12: just as a conspiracy theorist in this realm, you have
Speaker 12: to question everyone, like even any of us, you know.
Speaker 14: But if we're talking about like who has had an
Speaker 14: advantage by being connected through the system, I don't know
Speaker 14: if Sam conforms to that model. I don't know his
Speaker 14: parents or anything, but he strikes me as someone who
Speaker 14: has just been putting in the sweat equity at the
Speaker 14: comedy store for years and years, and then podcasting happened
Speaker 14: and he transitioned, and yeah, he does a bunch of ads,
Speaker 14: he sells memberships, he does everything he can do to
Speaker 14: make it a career. He's also dealing with the LA
Speaker 14: scene and like what that whole culture is. But I
Speaker 14: feel like he finally had his energies and efforts pay
Speaker 14: off in podcasting, and it was only maybe not paying
Speaker 14: off so much or getting him to the middle of comedy,
Speaker 14: or he was doing more of like putting shows together
Speaker 14: rather than like being that. I don't know exactly, but
Speaker 14: it seems like comedy itself was a lot more lucrative
Speaker 14: for a lot of his friends than him and now,
Speaker 14: and that's what I'm thinking. That's what I think. If
Speaker 14: we're trying to assess like who is connected, who is disingenuous,
Speaker 14: you know, who is using Daddy's network to funnel Think
Speaker 14: Tank guests through to the airwaves. I don't put him
Speaker 14: in that category. But I mean I also have probably
Speaker 14: picked him bad. I think I have a pretty good picker.
Speaker 14: But there's definitely times where after reading a book and
Speaker 14: not wanting to cancel, I'm like, shit, I don't know
Speaker 14: if I buy this narrative or not.
Speaker 15: I have a problem with being two nice nice.
Speaker 14: So sometimes people will come to me with a pitch
Speaker 14: and I just don't want to say no, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 14: we can do it.
Speaker 3: Now, a show like Sam or a show.
Speaker 14: Like a lot of other ones that are AD supported,
Speaker 14: you just say yeah, let's do it, because you can
Speaker 14: always do another one. I'm in the business of selling
Speaker 14: five good interviews a month, so if I give three
Speaker 14: of those slots to people who pitched me, and then
Speaker 14: I'm like, an, this is kind of milk toast, I
Speaker 14: still got to do it, And that's in my thing.
Speaker 3: I didn't make it.
Speaker 14: I mean, I can't say I didn't make any money
Speaker 14: from that show, but it's it's the same as just
Speaker 14: another SATVA AD supported show.
Speaker 15: Another better help support your ad.
Speaker 8: Yeah, sure to build a punk if I might had
Speaker 8: a caveat on the weird scenes inside of the Comedy
Speaker 8: Store and in the dust up you previously mentioned there, Greg, Yeah,
Speaker 8: I wasn't trying to redust up anything. There's a good analysis.
Speaker 8: They were good assessment. But what I was referring to
Speaker 8: is the fact you got all these major if you're
Speaker 8: a comedian in Hollywood for many decades, the shores, the
Speaker 8: folks who ran the Comedy Store for many years, shores folks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they gave the.
Speaker 8: Green light if you were getting on a Hollywood camera
Speaker 8: in front of the camera as a comedian in any film,
Speaker 8: like you were getting green lip by the shores, Right.
Speaker 4: That's kind of kind of the way I look at
Speaker 4: the weird scenes aspect to it.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 14: I mean Sam brought that up in the interview I
Speaker 14: did with him, as he was like, think about the
Speaker 14: He didn't get too deep into it, he was a
Speaker 14: little vague, but he did say, like, think about that culture,
Speaker 14: all the heavy hitters going back to like the Eddie
Speaker 14: Murphy Robin Williams days, like everyone who's anyone is there
Speaker 14: at the comedy store. You think that it wasn't infiltrated
Speaker 14: by intelligence And he kind of left it at that,
Speaker 14: but yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 5: Yeah, to build upon that with what Jay you said
Speaker 5: and what you're saying, it's almost, like you said, disingenuous.
Speaker 5: We see a track record of the Alphabet Boys and
Speaker 5: intelligentsia infiltrating every single faction of culture and influence, and
Speaker 5: so it would be somewhat educationally naive to not think
Speaker 5: that they have not infiltrated, especially the conspiracy realm, especially
Speaker 5: the bubble. And on that whole premise, do you think
Speaker 5: that potentially that the conspiracy algorithm bubble is kind of
Speaker 5: like an mk ultra spillover and that they're programming people
Speaker 5: through these conspiracy targeted I guess podcasters, and that they're
Speaker 5: like like a psychotronic layer that's being exploited by statecraft.
Speaker 5: It goes well beyond data mining. But now you've taken
Speaker 5: the projects that happened in Harvard or in Stanford or
Speaker 5: in Eslain, and now you've gone global.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I don't know how much it applies to conspiracy
Speaker 14: podcasting as much as just the Internet and social media
Speaker 14: in general. Obviously we're all participating in that to promote
Speaker 14: every show and every venture that people have, But yeah,
Speaker 14: I think social media was kind of designed out of that.
Speaker 14: I interviewed this guy Schwab a couple of times, and
Speaker 14: he's gone deep on early cybernetics and just early computer
Speaker 14: gaming and how it was psychologists and behaviorists logging data,
Speaker 14: watching patterns, seeing how minds react to this and that,
Speaker 14: and that's all like stuff from the eighties. All of
Speaker 14: that is the data that gets used today even still.
Speaker 14: So yeah, they're constantly refining in the conspiracy world. I
Speaker 14: really just think it's the thing that's the biggest problem
Speaker 14: is when a big show would have someone on for
Speaker 14: a topic that should be more in my lane, they
Speaker 14: kind of dip in and out of the conspiracy lane
Speaker 14: every once in a while, and they promote a given
Speaker 14: person and their perspective and their books and their narrative.
Speaker 14: And that's a little frustrating because to a common person
Speaker 14: it gives the appearance that like, oh, they'll go wherever
Speaker 14: the story, they'll go wherever they need to go to
Speaker 14: get the truth and it's like, I'm not sure that's
Speaker 14: exactly what you're watching. But I said, I have gotten
Speaker 14: it wrong before too. I know I've picked guests that
Speaker 14: I wouldn't have on again.
Speaker 3: Sometimes.
Speaker 14: I also think, especially in the early days when there
Speaker 14: weren't as many podcasts, sometimes there was just value in
Speaker 14: having on a person who maybe is connected and like
Speaker 14: giving them enough rope to hang themselves with it. They say,
Speaker 14: you could look at my early comments section be like, man,
Speaker 14: I actually think I trusted this person when I only
Speaker 14: saw them on ancient aliens or only heard them in
Speaker 14: ten minute sound bites one hundred when you ask them
Speaker 14: deeper questions about their work and let them go for
Speaker 14: a full two hours. Now, I don't think I had
Speaker 14: liked this person anymore or trust that they know anything.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you said. Yeah, that doesn't happen as.
Speaker 15: Much these days. But it had a value for a
Speaker 15: certain amount of time.
Speaker 12: I can imagine it was slim pickens there in the
Speaker 12: beginning too. As long as you've been doing it.
Speaker 3: It's harder now.
Speaker 14: Back when I was doing it, nobody was asking these
Speaker 14: people for interviews. They were jumping out a chance to
Speaker 14: be interviewed on a show that sound like shit and
Speaker 14: wasn't full of ads. Now, part of the reason why
Speaker 14: I'm pivoting to video is I have liked to present
Speaker 14: guests as best as I can through the audio quality,
Speaker 14: the intro, this and that, the audience size, but that
Speaker 14: video component is missing, and so I think it's harder
Speaker 14: to separate. It's harder to see what's special about my
Speaker 14: show without being able to show someone a video component
Speaker 14: if they're not already familiar. When there's thirty other people
Speaker 14: asking for interviews and lyning about their numbers, usually you know,
Speaker 14: so many people just say, oh, I got a million listeners.
Speaker 14: It's like you don't, because there's only so many people
Speaker 14: that do.
Speaker 15: I don't.
Speaker 14: Even so you know, you're in the top one percent
Speaker 14: of one percent of one percent, and I've never heard
Speaker 14: of your show. It's possible, I guess, but I have
Speaker 14: kind of had my finger on the pulse of this
Speaker 14: place for a while. So you're competing. You're trying to
Speaker 14: get an interview with someone who is in high demand,
Speaker 14: hearing kind of manipulated numbers from other people and having
Speaker 14: a video presentation where they're like, oh, well that.
Speaker 15: Looks pretty good. People are vain.
Speaker 14: They want to look good, they want to be presented well,
Speaker 14: and if all I have to show is audio, it's
Speaker 14: a little hard to show how well they'll be presented
Speaker 14: in that audio format. So it's another reason to pivot
Speaker 14: is I think I might go back to being able
Speaker 14: to get any guests I want, whereas right now I
Speaker 14: get more nose than I used to get. I get
Speaker 14: more knows today than I did years ago. And I
Speaker 14: think it's just the volume that shocks me, the volume
Speaker 14: of people asking.
Speaker 10: And are you finding all of these guests yourself or
Speaker 10: do you rely on or do you have an assistant
Speaker 10: or anything else that's trawling the boards and stuff, because
Speaker 10: that's a ton of work. If I interviews a month
Speaker 10: and then reading their material or catching up with their
Speaker 10: videos and stuff like that, that's a lot.
Speaker 14: Yeah, that is the part of the job. I've never outsourced.
Speaker 14: I outsourced the editing. I outsourced the clips. I have
Speaker 14: a team who makes social media clips, and you know
Speaker 14: how everybody's using the same AI little clip making things
Speaker 14: now and I'm like, you guys, go ahead and make
Speaker 14: them post them.
Speaker 3: I don't care.
Speaker 14: But other than that, I've never outsourced anything. It seems
Speaker 14: like that's the thing that can't be outsourced. I must,
Speaker 14: But like I said, people do pitch me and then
Speaker 14: I just don't want to say no.
Speaker 3: I can't. Mario has been on.
Speaker 14: I can't remember if I reached out to you or
Speaker 14: you reached out to me first.
Speaker 3: I know you were familiar with me, which is the best.
Speaker 14: The best is when I reach out to someone cold
Speaker 14: and they're like, I've listened to you for ten years.
Speaker 14: Oh great, so I don't have to make my pitch anymore.
Speaker 14: Let's just do a good interview. And it's like I
Speaker 14: picked them and they know me already. That's great, But
Speaker 14: I can't remember who pitched you.
Speaker 10: But yeah, you reached out to me, and it was
Speaker 10: exactly that. I was like, oh, dude, I've been listening
Speaker 10: to you for like a long time.
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's the best. But I get emails every day
Speaker 14: of it's usually from the same like pr formatted interview
Speaker 14: of like we love what you're doing at the higher side, chats,
Speaker 14: we want to introduce you to this person, and it's
Speaker 14: like almost always I should just say no to those,
Speaker 14: just on principle, like just don't just say a blanket
Speaker 14: no and go find your five each month.
Speaker 3: You know, it's really a big deal.
Speaker 14: I see in the chat someone wants to talk about Twiman,
Speaker 14: which I don't mind talking about, although it does get
Speaker 14: me in trouble because I don't choose my words carefully
Speaker 14: and sensitive subjects.
Speaker 3: People don't like you to just wing it.
Speaker 18: Yes, Oh well real, real, real quick, real quick, Robi,
Speaker 18: you want to know about Actually, could Robbie just go
Speaker 18: first before we get into that, because I didn't forget
Speaker 18: on the screen for that.
Speaker 14: Well.
Speaker 16: I was basically going to follow up on exactly what
Speaker 16: Lisa was talking about in regard to this, as you
Speaker 16: you know, you go back to the World's Fair and
Speaker 16: there was the Nimrod Ferranti first digital computer. It was
Speaker 16: a gaming computer and they've slowly worked it, you know,
Speaker 16: and then you get into Norbert Wiener and cybernetics, and
Speaker 16: you just follow this up into the modern you know,
Speaker 16: DARPA and everything that's going on. And it seems that
Speaker 16: since MK Ultra kind of had congressional hearings and they
Speaker 16: kind of went underground on a certain level that you know,
Speaker 16: with MK search and MK Naomi and all these various
Speaker 16: projects that you know, when you look at like, you know,
Speaker 16: various streaming platforms like Netflix bringing back the rested development,
Speaker 16: and all of a sudden, everybody's on a commune and
Speaker 16: they're eating mushrooms, and then you have the introduction of like,
Speaker 16: you know, weeds, and granted, you know, marijuana is a
Speaker 16: different level, I think when you get into some of
Speaker 16: these higher psychedelics. But at the same time, it seems
Speaker 16: like within the popular vernacular, very much like with at
Speaker 16: the end of the Vietnam War, how they were pushing
Speaker 16: tune in, turn on drop out through Yale marketing to
Speaker 16: basically capture these protesters and take them away, empowering the
Speaker 16: government per se. On a higher level, is there a
Speaker 16: conceited effort maybe to initiate the population as a whole
Speaker 16: into psychedelic culture, into this occult kind of thinking, into
Speaker 16: conspiracy culture or is it art imitating reality or reality
Speaker 16: imitating art? And it's kind of a vicious circular thing
Speaker 16: that just kind of is expansive within the natural thing,
Speaker 16: you know.
Speaker 3: I think it's a great question.
Speaker 14: I have a lot of questions about that myself, because
Speaker 14: I do find psychedelics to be something that breaks you
Speaker 14: out of the materialist programming, and it's been hugely beneficial
Speaker 14: to me. I would say the category of marijuana, mushrooms,
Speaker 14: and basically in ayahuasca.
Speaker 15: I would put those three things in a box.
Speaker 14: I've never even I've done LSD a time or two
Speaker 14: and people love it and they say it's very mushrooms adjacent,
Speaker 14: but it is synthesized in a lab That kind of
Speaker 14: freaks me out a little bit, like what is the
Speaker 14: true agenda behind it? But really, I think anything that
Speaker 14: breaks you out of your rut and your programming is good.
Speaker 3: But yet they are promoting it for sure.
Speaker 14: I was talking to one of my return guests, Kris Knowles,
Speaker 14: about this one time, and he started talking about how
Speaker 14: he's getting these emails about so and so university wants
Speaker 14: you to come participate in the study mushrooms and or
Speaker 14: at least donate to it, and this is happening, and
Speaker 14: he's like, why are you being so nice to me?
Speaker 3: And I just thought that was a.
Speaker 15: Great way to phrase what he's talking about.
Speaker 14: I just like, something's going on here. You're you're being
Speaker 14: too nice to me, You're talking about this too much.
Speaker 14: It just doesn't feel right, feels like an op so
Speaker 14: it's pushed exactly and I don't know why, because I
Speaker 14: thought the game was kind of to keep people in
Speaker 14: the materialist box. It could just be for that that
Speaker 14: whole hippie movement thing like let's get people distracted and
Speaker 14: navel gazing, so that it's another form of not doing
Speaker 14: anything but feeling like you did something. You know, we're
Speaker 14: so programmed to such a finite level that even just
Speaker 14: having a level one Level two awakening takes people ten
Speaker 14: years to unpack, and life is only ninety years if
Speaker 14: you're lucky.
Speaker 16: So and that's the thing. You know, You've been going
Speaker 16: through this material for fifteen years. You know, when I
Speaker 16: was thirteen, fourteen years old, I was reading Robert Anton Wilson,
Speaker 16: William Burrows, Carlos Castaneda. You know, so I've been marching
Speaker 16: down this road for like forty years. And philosophically, in
Speaker 16: the long run, it helps you cut the truth from
Speaker 16: the lie. It helps center. But for people just coming
Speaker 16: into it, I know at times when I was coming
Speaker 16: up that you know, you get you get caught in
Speaker 16: these you know, Discordianism, or you get caught in you
Speaker 16: know potentially you know, like Buddhism or any of these
Speaker 16: various things you kind of spin off into.
Speaker 1: And you become a juggernaut for that force.
Speaker 16: Unpotentially you know, you know, and and so it's like
Speaker 16: it's like just a bigger picture that is a long
Speaker 16: road that a lot of people really don't understand in
Speaker 16: regard to getting caught in these ideas, which I think
Speaker 16: is where the fault is within all of this stuff.
Speaker 3: Really, you know, yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 14: Uh, I don't know exactlyactly why they're promoting mushrooms in
Speaker 14: particular is the one that I just find to be odd.
Speaker 14: Maybe they're gmo mushrooms are going to introduce and they've
Speaker 14: done something that sends you off into another direction or
Speaker 14: melts your mind in an unproductive way. It's just you
Speaker 14: can't deny that it's there. And the whole microdosing trend,
Speaker 14: I don't know what that's about. I think the point
Speaker 14: of mushrooms is to have a heroic experience, as Terrence
Speaker 14: McKenna would say. But I can't say micro microdosing has
Speaker 14: no value. I mean, I used to get high in
Speaker 14: the parking lot before going in to do my job
Speaker 14: because it just helped me cope with it. I think
Speaker 14: some people use microdosing like that, but other people are
Speaker 14: like I get my best ideas this and that, so
Speaker 14: I try not to judge it, but you can definitely
Speaker 14: see it being pushed and we'll know later why.
Speaker 3: It's often how these things work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the venture.
Speaker 15: As therapeutic, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 14: And it's the same universities who are involved in mk
Speaker 14: ultra that are now doing their mushroom studies and this
Speaker 14: and that.
Speaker 15: It's definitely raise an eyebrow.
Speaker 13: We're seeing a lot of mental breakdowns from the mix
Speaker 13: of pot and mushrooms, and I'm talking full blown psychosis
Speaker 13: for upwards of a year now, and we're seeing this constantly,
Speaker 13: specifically with dab and mushroom.
Speaker 14: Oh I'm so glad you said that, because that's what
Speaker 14: I was thinking, because I do know a couple of
Speaker 14: people who dabs became their daily ingestion of marijuana and
Speaker 14: it did not go well. They spun off, lost their jobs,
Speaker 14: stop paying their mortgages, lost their homes.
Speaker 15: Just decision casualty.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Like I just always say, like, does is it serving you?
Speaker 14: Is it doing? Like for me, marijuana serves me pretty well.
Speaker 14: It might not always now, it just serves me in
Speaker 14: the evenings to me and my wife are like, well
Speaker 14: we got through another day with these kids, Like now
Speaker 14: they're asleep, Now we're relaxing, and we'll start again tomorrow.
Speaker 14: But like that's something that I feel like I earn
Speaker 14: at the end of the day now. But I definitely
Speaker 14: don't have the permastone lifestyle I maybe once did, And
Speaker 14: obviously you can overindulge in anything.
Speaker 3: Well, I think they're tainting it. I think you're right,
Speaker 3: I think sometimes for sure.
Speaker 16: Well, also there's when you get into Hourly and looking
Speaker 16: at his background and the chemical research that he was
Speaker 16: involved in. One of the substances that they tried to
Speaker 16: introduce later was the substance STP that basically when you
Speaker 16: take it, it's like LSD, but it wrecks you for
Speaker 16: like weeks on end, and like people don't come back
Speaker 16: from it, you know. So there it's you know, it
Speaker 16: seems nefarious, But at times I think maybe they're just
Speaker 16: trying to eradicate the populace to the point where maybe
Speaker 16: they're spinning off people that are more inventive and thinking
Speaker 16: outside the box more so that we have more expansive possibilities.
Speaker 16: But at the same time, I've seen the destruction that
Speaker 16: a lot of this stuff has caused over the years,
Speaker 16: and it's you know, worriesome.
Speaker 3: So yeah, a lot of it is a numbers game.
Speaker 14: They introduce something because they know X amount of people
Speaker 14: will burn out on it, and they'll the ones who
Speaker 14: get through, they'll find another challenge for those people. If
Speaker 14: it isn't just the economic burden that we're under, it'll
Speaker 14: be something else.
Speaker 2: I actually had a.
Speaker 7: Quick question, Greg, how do you personally reconcile rectify perhaps
Speaker 7: the current state of how the conspiracy community or the
Speaker 7: conspiracy canon maybe is a more interesting metafictional way to
Speaker 7: sort of frame it. It's very decoherent, and how do
Speaker 7: you define the contours of the truth what that means
Speaker 7: for both yourself but also like as you were saying,
Speaker 7: like what guests you have on like, how do you
Speaker 7: decide and what sort of gives you the framework maybe
Speaker 7: ontological framework to define what you think the truth is
Speaker 7: and how you to present your vision and your show.
Speaker 15: I mean, it's a good question, and it is a
Speaker 15: case by case basis.
Speaker 14: I suppose on a lot of subjects, but I usually
Speaker 14: cite the line in the the theme song for the show,
Speaker 14: which I wrote, is we know they're lying to us.
Speaker 3: We don't know to what degree.
Speaker 14: So you know, I might go to an eight on
Speaker 14: a certain thing, but I've never really closed off from
Speaker 14: the upper levels. It's just, you know, because I've been
Speaker 14: burned before. I think we've all been like, no, I'm
Speaker 14: super sure about this one thing, and then you're presented
Speaker 14: with new information You're like, wow, I'm changing my mind
Speaker 14: about that.
Speaker 15: I never thought I would.
Speaker 3: So that's why I.
Speaker 14: Try not to get too attached anymore. But I think
Speaker 14: that some things go to a level of silliness. And
Speaker 14: you know I say that now I hear myself saying it,
Speaker 14: and it's like, well, you know, we throw out an
Speaker 14: example of it.
Speaker 15: The mudflood stuff doesn't really resonate with me all that much.
Speaker 14: But then I'm sure there's people on this call who
Speaker 14: are like, what, Like, that's my old bread and butter,
Speaker 14: the mud flood. There's definitely areas where you can see
Speaker 14: that buildings go down like they have been buried on
Speaker 14: that first floor. Sometimes there's an explanation for it, like
Speaker 14: the earthquakes that happened in San Francisco. Sometimes there isn't
Speaker 14: an explanation for it. The World's fair stuff is really interesting.
Speaker 3: I have lived in.
Speaker 14: At least two of the major places. Saint Louis, and
Speaker 14: I mean Saint Louis, Chicago and San Diego are all
Speaker 14: big World's Fair cities, and all of them have buildings
Speaker 14: which the official story says these buildings were built quickly
Speaker 14: just for the World's Fair, with the intention of being
Speaker 14: taken down afterwards, and they're still there, and they definitely
Speaker 14: are made of real building materials. These aren't paper mache buildings.
Speaker 1: So Chris and shit like that.
Speaker 14: Yeah, and you can kind of start to put together
Speaker 14: a romanticized version of the past where no, they did
Speaker 14: know about the ether, and they did know about energy,
Speaker 14: and these cathedrals were built to well up energy and
Speaker 14: this and that. I want to believe some of that stuff,
Speaker 14: but I don't know there's much of a record of
Speaker 14: it at all. But then they control the record. So
Speaker 14: can you really wipe out something absolutely? That's really what
Speaker 14: you have to wrestle with. I think, can can something
Speaker 14: like a whole civilization, a whole empire be completely wiped out?
Speaker 14: There's a druidic erasure that people talk about, but we
Speaker 14: all know the term druid. No one knew the term
Speaker 14: totaria until like five years ago, so I don't know,
Speaker 14: it does get to be a slippery slope. I try
Speaker 14: to never close the door on anything as long as
Speaker 14: it sounds like it could exist within the framework of
Speaker 14: a soul's school reality that has pretty flexible physics. That's
Speaker 14: what I think this is. So most things are on
Speaker 14: the table. I just try to I guess I try
Speaker 14: to be honest about if it's speculative or if we
Speaker 14: have a pretty good case to make. That used to
Speaker 14: be the whole way I would structure the show is
Speaker 14: here's the person who wrote a book book on Laurel
Speaker 14: Canyon being in operation. Let's have them. I'm going to
Speaker 14: help him make the case. I've read the material, I'm
Speaker 14: familiar with it. Sometimes it's complex. Sometimes authors aren't the
Speaker 14: best speakers. I'm here to help synthesize this complex material
Speaker 14: for the layman, and you make up your own mind
Speaker 14: how good a case we made when the interview is over,
Speaker 14: and sometimes like sometimes it's ironclad. Sometimes it changes the
Speaker 14: way you think about something forever, and other times you're like, huh,
Speaker 14: if those are the best arguments for that, then I think.
Speaker 3: It's a little flimsy.
Speaker 14: And that's just kind of the general approach, I would
Speaker 14: go about all the stuff we look at.
Speaker 10: I'm just kind of curious in terms of what resonates
Speaker 10: with your audience. I know you've gone through multiple eras.
Speaker 10: I don't know how many, you know, fifteen years. That's
Speaker 10: a long time in the world of the internet, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 10: but like what really clicks with people, what gets the
Speaker 10: most engagement and stuff like that, and maybe also to
Speaker 10: what gets the most engagement and what resonates that you
Speaker 10: didn't think necessarily would, what surprise you in that regard.
Speaker 14: Well, what resonates that doesn't surprise me is like synchro
Speaker 14: mysticism stuff and really stuff adjacent to what you do.
Speaker 14: I think people love to see those examples. So first,
Speaker 14: I always say that I think a lot of us
Speaker 14: get into conspiracy because there is a charge that you
Speaker 14: get from your first like crack in an official narrative.
Speaker 14: You're like, WHOA, something didn't look right about that. But
Speaker 14: now I saw a documentary that showed me what it
Speaker 14: really was, and that that has changed my life. Now
Speaker 14: if everyone could just watch the documentary, we'd be.
Speaker 15: Able to fix it.
Speaker 14: That's where it all falls apart, because you have people
Speaker 14: in your life who won't even look at it, and
Speaker 14: when even ones who do, who definitely won't go there
Speaker 14: or change their worldview at all. So the charge thing,
Speaker 14: I think that charge starts to wane over time. It's
Speaker 14: hard to get that charge again. It's hard to really
Speaker 14: blow your mind with a totally new subject. But what
Speaker 14: does it for me is synchronistic examples, because there's many
Speaker 14: of them, and you're just like wow. The first atomic
Speaker 14: test is called the Trinity test. It's on it's in
Speaker 14: Truth and Consequences, New Mexico. It's on the same parallel
Speaker 14: as this and that, Like you build a case. It's like, wow,
Speaker 14: that is a much weirder event. And then you cross
Speaker 14: over into pop culture and media and examples that pre
Speaker 14: date this and that and the foreshadowing. The Lone Gunman
Speaker 14: example with nine to eleven is a great one. The
Speaker 14: Loan Gunman, for people who don't know, was an offshoot
Speaker 14: of The X Files and the pilot episode. They lay
Speaker 14: out a plan for nine to eleven and then they
Speaker 14: just pulled the episode.
Speaker 15: It's like, well that happened. It's like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 15: what's going on?
Speaker 14: Are the writers of the reality script the same as
Speaker 14: the Hollywood writers? I don't so those examples because they
Speaker 14: keep coming up. I think are fun, and I think
Speaker 14: people resonate with it because they like what excites the host.
Speaker 14: I guess, you know, we're on this journey together. If
Speaker 14: I'm excited and enjoyed, then sure. But I think the
Speaker 14: surprising one probably is the health stuff. Like somewhere along
Speaker 14: the line, I pivoted away from the naive thought that
Speaker 14: if we could just tell everybody and get more numbers,
Speaker 14: we could topple this system and everybody live in a
Speaker 14: much better reality and a utopia and this and that,
Speaker 14: and then I eventually was like, oh, no, that isn't
Speaker 14: really what you do. You learn about this stuff so
Speaker 14: that you can live a better life as an individual
Speaker 14: and the people around you, and be a better example
Speaker 14: of how a better understanding of the deeper world can
Speaker 14: serve you in a good way.
Speaker 15: And through your example, you buck.
Speaker 14: That trend of conspiracy theorists looking like paranoid tinfoil hatters
Speaker 14: in a bunker somewhere.
Speaker 15: You know, Actually, no, I'm living a pretty good life.
Speaker 14: And you know, COVID was great for that because I
Speaker 14: even I mean, I'm not going to dig through it,
Speaker 14: but I have I have some pieces of art around
Speaker 14: that kind of really did the whole that signify the
Speaker 14: meme that was going around at the time, really, which
Speaker 14: is like, here's a conspiracy theorist and it's just like
Speaker 14: a family having dinner. And then it's like, here's a
Speaker 14: person who you know is a logical, mainstream thinker and
Speaker 14: they're like wrapping themselves up in plastic bags while swimming,
Speaker 14: and it's like, yeah, it flipped the script COVID did.
Speaker 14: It was like, oh, the conspiracy theorist is the person
Speaker 14: who's just living their life, not in a state of
Speaker 14: fear and panic, and the regular person the norm me
Speaker 14: as they say, is like going to clarinet practice through
Speaker 14: a bubble and the stuff that you were seeing everywhere.
Speaker 15: So that kind of flipped it.
Speaker 14: But I like to try to flip the archetype of
Speaker 14: the paranoid conspiracy person by living a better example talking
Speaker 14: about this stuff without screaming and shouting like Alex Jones might.
Speaker 15: And I don't know, I kind of lost the thread there, but.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 10: No, you brought up COVID, and actually I'm just curious.
Speaker 10: Was COVID a boon THHC.
Speaker 14: For a time? Yeah, for a time, so part of
Speaker 14: the reason I'm doing the transition to video is numbers
Speaker 14: have dropped off a little bit, and I don't I'm
Speaker 14: not in any trouble, not that big of a deal.
Speaker 14: I don't even pay attention to the first hour numbers
Speaker 14: because I don't do ad so I don't get anything
Speaker 14: from it. It's just a feeder for people who want
Speaker 14: to get the deeper experience for eight bucks a month.
Speaker 14: But the free show numbers have dropped since twenty twenty two,
Speaker 14: and I think there's a bunch of reasons. I think
Speaker 14: COVID is a big reason. So people say across the
Speaker 14: media landscape, we were all stuck at home with nothing
Speaker 14: to do but consume media. Everybody's numbers went up and
Speaker 14: then they slowly went down a little bit when people
Speaker 14: got out of that. The other thing in podcasting in
Speaker 14: particular is that Apple changed their metric system. They used
Speaker 14: to auto download all these shows for people, and that
Speaker 14: would be a hit, and a lot of people have
Speaker 14: said when they when Apple flipped the switch, their numbers
Speaker 14: went down twenty thirty percent. Why not even that, I'm
Speaker 14: not even in that big of a sit a bad
Speaker 14: of a situation. But a couple of these two things
Speaker 14: together are happening within the same year. And then add
Speaker 14: the fact that I'm not on YouTube anymore really and
Speaker 14: I'm not doing video. I think all those things contributed
Speaker 14: to my numbers being down. But since the peak, which
Speaker 14: was probably twenty twenty two, I probably had the best
Speaker 14: numbers of my whole time in podcasting between twenty twenty
Speaker 14: and twenty twenty two. I think that's probably common that.
Speaker 14: I think a lot of people would say that interesting.
Speaker 10: Also the competition, so a lot of people stayed home
Speaker 10: and probably started podcasts.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's a whole other factor.
Speaker 2: Okay, Greg, I have got a quick last one.
Speaker 7: I was told to make sure I get it in,
Speaker 7: so I'm going to credit Lisa for bringing up the
Speaker 7: idea of meta theology.
Speaker 15: So I want to ask you, do you are you.
Speaker 7: Hyper Uranian closed model of the universe believer or perhaps
Speaker 7: a transpout tony in open expansive infinite in its expanse
Speaker 7: universe enjoyer.
Speaker 14: Man, I you're talking over my head, but if you're
Speaker 14: basically asking is it a closed system or an open system?
Speaker 14: I do think that's like a really fundamental question, and
Speaker 14: people I admire thinkers, I admire and have both opinions.
Speaker 14: Gordon White's been on the show a bunch more than anyone, really,
Speaker 14: but we did an episode where he made his case
Speaker 14: for that and said, like, the Earth is more like
Speaker 14: a reef if you scale it up. There's a cosmic
Speaker 14: ocean and Earth is just a shore on that ocean.
Speaker 14: So he has like the it's an open system mindset,
Speaker 14: and in the time since then, the closed system has
Speaker 14: become way more popular. It's obviously the flat Earth is
Speaker 14: a closed system. But even if you're not flat Earth,
Speaker 14: you might believe in the Van Allen radiation belt, you
Speaker 14: might believe in some kind of dome.
Speaker 15: You might think the rockets don't go anywhere, So it
Speaker 15: is kind of difficult.
Speaker 14: Like with the rockets thing, that's kind of the where
Speaker 14: I look for, is it an open or closed system?
Speaker 14: And I think when you watch the rocket launches and
Speaker 14: you watch them to the end, it looks like they
Speaker 14: hit something or they spin out, Like if you look
Speaker 14: at a drone shot a bird's eye view of a
Speaker 14: speedboat in the ocean and the wave pattern it makes
Speaker 14: behind it when it changes direction.
Speaker 3: That is what I see with these rockets. I don't
Speaker 3: see them slowly fade out of view and like go
Speaker 3: off in the space. They seem to like do a.
Speaker 14: Thing where they create a huge disturbance, as if they're
Speaker 14: going through water, and that's just an observer thing. We know,
Speaker 14: we can't trust of the observer effect one hundred percent,
Speaker 14: but in this world it's something to go on. But
Speaker 14: then it's like, so it seems like things come into
Speaker 14: the system. And that's where I kind of get this.
Speaker 14: Like a lot of my guests recently have been using.
Speaker 3: The term realm.
Speaker 14: They just say realm to get past flat earth, round
Speaker 14: Earth thing. And I like saying realm because I do
Speaker 14: think in kind of the older models, the Greek model
Speaker 14: of stacked realities, like you go up to a spiritual plane,
Speaker 14: like what is up?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 14: I don't really know, but it seems like there are
Speaker 14: higher dimensional intelligences that we have communications with. They're somewhere.
Speaker 14: They're not in this system exactly, but very close to it.
Speaker 14: The next system over, which seems to be described as
Speaker 14: higher in some form or fashion. And so I think
Speaker 14: I'm I think I'm an open system. Probably it could
Speaker 14: be a closed system, but a much bigger one than
Speaker 14: it's presented as. Okay, well, I have a follow up
Speaker 14: for you, Greg, since I want to know where you
Speaker 14: are on open or closed system.
Speaker 7: I'm an open I'm an open system. I believe in
Speaker 7: the infinite capacity for loving kindness. Personally, I'd argue with that, Yeah,
Speaker 7: sure you because I followed Dharma, so you know I'm
Speaker 7: serious about it. I may have that discordan that trickster
Speaker 7: sometimes personality online, But the way I present my show
Speaker 7: is it's a serious, speculative show. So I treat it
Speaker 7: maybe the opposite way that you do, but I think
Speaker 7: maybe in the same polarity.
Speaker 14: I would I would describe mine as as serious and speculative.
Speaker 7: I think you're serious, but I think you you really
Speaker 7: go for the material and I and I really look
Speaker 7: for the seed and sort of play with it. That's
Speaker 7: sort of how I approach it. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 7: saying it's definitely, it's not opposite.
Speaker 15: To you at all, just I mean your best.
Speaker 2: Well, I have a follow up for you Hyperspace Kingdoms
Speaker 2: and the pink Ray. Where do you fall on those things?
Speaker 14: Hyperspace Kingdoms and what was the other one?
Speaker 2: And the pink Ray?
Speaker 14: I don't think I know what the pink ray is?
Speaker 14: Is that the thing people are seeing in their dreams.
Speaker 1: Philip K.
Speaker 16: Dick saw the pink ray.
Speaker 15: Oh okay, I that's but yeah, but is that a
Speaker 15: Jenuflex then.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean it is from Jenny Flex, but
Speaker 2: she was not the first one.
Speaker 7: And we have it in Vadriana, we have it in Tragia,
Speaker 7: all the contras, like all her like all magic. Basically,
Speaker 7: the pink is a spectral color. It's the color of
Speaker 7: the crystal millennium kingdom, if you want to call it that,
Speaker 7: the kingdom of your so the kingdom of the moon.
Speaker 7: So it's it's the truth in a way, and it's
Speaker 7: the relative truth because it gives contour to the things
Speaker 7: that arise around it and from it, meaning the crown
Speaker 7: or cather So that's why it can also be likened
Speaker 7: to a five pedaled flower, like.
Speaker 18: A rose.
Speaker 7: Anyway, So it's a it's a it's not a real color.
Speaker 7: It's something our mind sort of projects onto the world.
Speaker 7: And that's why it's best exemplified as a flower because
Speaker 7: it only exists in time, which is also contained in
Speaker 7: the mind.
Speaker 2: It's only temporary spectral.
Speaker 3: Very interesting.
Speaker 14: When and the hyperspace kingdoms, then I take to mean
Speaker 14: I mean what I would interview Tracy, we would talk
Speaker 14: about it. It was always so Masonic adjacent that the
Speaker 14: kind of the premise was that through ritual, a certain
Speaker 14: group of people, maybe many, have figured out a way
Speaker 14: to unlock spaces in hyperspace that you can repeatedly go to.
Speaker 14: It makes me just think that they would go there
Speaker 14: to have meetings that no one could spy on because
Speaker 14: you're out of body in some space and maybe you're
Speaker 14: living a whole life out there, because who knows how
Speaker 14: time works, it does work strange in the dream world.
Speaker 14: When people talk about Egyptian immortality, is that what they're
Speaker 14: talking about that people found a way to project their
Speaker 14: consciousness to another plane where you could live out what
Speaker 14: felt like lifetimes in a matter of minutes, and then
Speaker 14: do it repeatedly because you got nothing else to do
Speaker 14: and there's no TV or anything, so you just dedicate
Speaker 14: yourself to further exploring that and then you're living in immortality.
Speaker 14: I think hyperspace kingdoms, if that's the concept that they
Speaker 14: might be repeated, repeatable places you can go in the
Speaker 14: astral body, then I mean, I definitely think that's a
Speaker 14: real thing, and probably one of the big secrets of
Speaker 14: secret societies, because especially in the past, there's nothing else.
Speaker 14: There's like what can I do out of body? And
Speaker 14: then like what is the orgasm? And that's what a
Speaker 14: lot of secret society's explored.
Speaker 3: I think, Sorry, I really.
Speaker 16: I was gonna say the Witch's Sabbath, how they all
Speaker 16: meet on the mountain a certain time of year through
Speaker 16: astral travel, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, Nick, No, No, you're Greg. I'm assuming
Speaker 3: you're probably just from a Facebook and a Facebook Jesus
Speaker 3: Christ Facebook Twitter X page. You might have noticed the
Speaker 3: logo that Mario created for us, if you happen to
Speaker 3: notice it, the the you know, the the eclipse with
Speaker 3: a movie film coming out of it. Yes, when I
Speaker 3: have had magical experiences, it's something very much looking like that,
Speaker 3: And every one of those squares looks like a different
Speaker 3: time and place, And I do think you can entertain
Speaker 3: the fact of actually choosing those to go into, because
Speaker 3: you can just take Yeah, either that or I think
Speaker 3: you're just gonna blast off and your soul is going
Speaker 3: to slip out of you.
Speaker 14: I did have a couple of salvia experiences that were
Speaker 14: kind of like that, and mine were fine. But I've
Speaker 14: read once I had a crazy salvia experience. I went
Speaker 14: reading other reports, and some of those reports are terrifying,
Speaker 14: where they will say their consciousness was projected into a
Speaker 14: wooden table and a diner, and they existed as a table,
Speaker 14: trapped consciousness in a table for what felt like twenty years,
Speaker 14: and then they came back to their body. Other people
Speaker 14: described that they went their consciousness was projected into basically
Speaker 14: another body, and they lived a full life, and they
Speaker 14: fell in love with a woman, and they had a
Speaker 14: family of five, and then they were put back in
Speaker 14: their body in their dorm room and they're like, wait
Speaker 14: a second, the family.
Speaker 15: I had is not real.
Speaker 14: Oh, and then they experienced the loss of their entire family,
Speaker 14: quote unquote, and some never come out of that depression.
Speaker 14: So I put salvia down because I was a little
Speaker 14: worried of that kind of thing, but my experience made
Speaker 14: it possible to understand how that could happen.
Speaker 3: But I'm just very lucky that it was never torturous.
Speaker 14: It was always just like it was enough to blow
Speaker 14: the doors off materialism, but it wasn't much scarier than that.
Speaker 3: Interesting, did anybody else have any more questions? Anything?
Speaker 10: You know, it's a really straightforward, kind of mundane question.
Speaker 10: But how long did it take before you knew that
Speaker 10: Higher Side was a viable, you know, career for you?
Speaker 10: Because I think it's important to kind of talk about
Speaker 10: sometimes because people start projects and they think it should
Speaker 10: be successful way sooner than you know what, they kind
Speaker 10: of know things to actually like be like out there,
Speaker 10: you know, in terms of getting traction and engagement and
Speaker 10: stuff like that. So how long did it take you
Speaker 10: for you to kind of know that.
Speaker 14: Well, the numbers are a little fuzzy to me now,
Speaker 14: but I did make a roadmap that is on my
Speaker 14: about page that anyone could check out, and that is
Speaker 14: the real numbers. But if I remember correctly, I mean
Speaker 14: I started the show in twenty ten, and I changed
Speaker 14: it around until it felt like something I would listen to.
Speaker 14: And then I kept doing that for several years, and
Speaker 14: I think I quit my job in twenty fourteen. I
Speaker 14: think I did it for four years without making any money.
Speaker 14: I mean, I did do something called the money Bomb,
Speaker 14: which was creative. I don't want to go too deep
Speaker 14: on every part of the story, but I had this
Speaker 14: idea that if people just donated, then I would take
Speaker 14: half those donations every month and give half to a
Speaker 14: random listener and keep half. And I was kind of
Speaker 14: running an a legal international fifty to fifty raffle. So
Speaker 14: I stopped doing that because I was afraised, I was
Speaker 14: too exposed. But it was a pretty cool thing, and
Speaker 14: there would be times where I'm dropping like a thousand,
Speaker 14: two thousand bucks in someone's lap and they're like, I've
Speaker 14: never gotten this kind of a gift from anyone, and
Speaker 14: I would have agreed up to that point, you know,
Speaker 14: so that that was cool. And then the donation basis,
Speaker 14: I started getting people who would donate a thousand bucks
Speaker 14: at a time, and then those donations came with their
Speaker 14: guest lists, and then I was like, oh shit, okay,
Speaker 14: so now I'm like, depending on your income, you've given
Speaker 14: me one thousand dollars five months in a row, and
Speaker 14: now you want me to interview these two people, and
Speaker 14: I don't want to do it, and then the money
Speaker 14: goes away, and that's when I thought of doing Plus,
Speaker 14: I was like, Okay, how do we McDon McDonald's this
Speaker 14: thing and just get a little bit of money from
Speaker 14: all these people listening? And that was probably so I
Speaker 14: quit my job in twenty fourteen, still on the donation thing,
Speaker 14: still on the money bomb. And then a year after that,
Speaker 14: I think I started plus. And then I remember on
Speaker 14: my doorframe I had, like you chart a kid's height,
Speaker 14: and I was like, I need to get to a thousand.
Speaker 14: If I can get a thousand people to pay me
Speaker 14: five bucks a month, I've just doubled my game stuff
Speaker 14: income and then I can be done. And it's been
Speaker 14: Everything else has been gravy. So I've been really lucky.
Speaker 14: When you really think about what it takes to make
Speaker 14: money online and start your own thing, you need I
Speaker 14: forgot who set a thousand true fans, but a thousand
Speaker 14: people who will pay you five bucks a month or
Speaker 14: fifty bucks a year, and you make fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 14: a year.
Speaker 3: That's more than a lot of jobs pay. And if
Speaker 3: you want to scale it.
Speaker 14: Up for inflation, say two thousand, you know, if you
Speaker 14: can make if you can get two thousand people to
Speaker 14: like what you do enough to contribute five bucks, it's
Speaker 14: not a small amount of money. So yeah, I think
Speaker 14: I quit. I quit when I had to quit, So
Speaker 14: my boss started to see through me, so he started
Speaker 14: to see that my heart wasn't in it that I
Speaker 14: wasn't paying as much attention to the finer details, and
Speaker 14: he was like, I want you to come in for
Speaker 14: a meeting because like your performance is slipping really bad.
Speaker 14: And I said, let me just step in and say
Speaker 14: I quit, because I've been doing this show and it's
Speaker 14: now like, you know, the jig is up.
Speaker 3: You know, you caught me.
Speaker 14: I have this other thing going, and I think that
Speaker 14: I'm just going to dedicate all my time to that
Speaker 14: because I'm not going to be able to reapply the
Speaker 14: energy that I had applied previously, And now that you
Speaker 14: already are onto me and I can't hide behind people
Speaker 14: who are doing worse, then let's just call it in.
Speaker 14: And it was hard for the first couple of years
Speaker 14: for sure, but you know, and again like a thousand
Speaker 14: people's what you was my metric I wanted to hit.
Speaker 3: It's not what I went for.
Speaker 14: It's not like I went from zero to a thousand,
Speaker 14: you know, even five hundred people. Now I'm making the
Speaker 14: same amount of money I made at game Stop. Isn't
Speaker 14: that sad that it only takes five hundred people at
Speaker 14: five dollars a month to make the same as this
Speaker 14: dedicated store manager of a two million dollars store for
Speaker 14: a corporation that's making billions of dollars.
Speaker 15: Not fucking sad.
Speaker 14: But that's the the silver lining is like when you
Speaker 14: launch something, whether it's a physical product, when you put
Speaker 14: yourself out there, you realize, hey, we're all bred to
Speaker 14: be consumers, so give them some to consume.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 15: I'm guilty too.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't say that like with any kind
Speaker 3: of judgment.
Speaker 14: I mean I consume like the best of them, and
Speaker 14: uh just It's also like, if you want to just
Speaker 14: be a consumer, great, but if you want to take
Speaker 14: advantage of the culture that's been crafted and the way
Speaker 14: we've all been programmed, give people a product and some
Speaker 14: people will find it.
Speaker 3: Well, and you're passionate about it. It's not fake. So
Speaker 3: I listen to your show.
Speaker 13: So that's that's the big That's the big thing right there,
Speaker 13: is you have to have the fire behind what you're
Speaker 13: doing or people just you know, they sense it and.
Speaker 15: They are sometimes the one hundred so much not wanting
Speaker 15: to go back to that life.
Speaker 3: Go right, I can understand that. That's a good point. Yeah, right, Uh.
Speaker 3: One thing, I mean I did want to bring up,
Speaker 3: and I feel like it was like so like forty
Speaker 3: five minutes ago, but like you know, and then maybe
Speaker 3: will wrap it up on the samebody's get all the questions.
Speaker 3: But uh, I would say, with the amount of time
Speaker 3: that you've been around when it came to conspiracy theories,
Speaker 3: in probably I guess maybe even the occult world at
Speaker 3: the beginning, do you remember anybody ever picking sides politically?
Speaker 14: Hmmm, I mean that is a good question. It definitely
Speaker 14: was less politicized right. In fact, I was liberal in
Speaker 14: college and when I started I think I still remained
Speaker 14: kind of a liberal person because liberal to me was
Speaker 14: just like compassionate. It's not like I trusted the government
Speaker 14: and I wanted a nanny state and wanted to delegate
Speaker 14: more of my taxes to the government, or thought they
Speaker 14: were efficient or even genuine at what they said they
Speaker 14: would do with said taxes. But I just thought the
Speaker 14: right was very cold and kind of shitty to people
Speaker 14: who had been manipulated, people who couldn't climb the economic ladder.
Speaker 14: It was just very like, we'll pluy yourself up about
Speaker 14: the bootstress man. I don't see what the problem is. Well,
Speaker 14: the problem is that my parents, my parents' parents. No
Speaker 14: one's been giving a fucking chance. And now I'm thrown
Speaker 14: into this goddamn mix with an education system that is
Speaker 14: programming me not to be successful but beat a cog
Speaker 14: in someone else's big machine. That's the fucking problem, you know.
Speaker 14: So I had a lot of compassion for regular folks
Speaker 14: because I was one, and those were the days where
Speaker 14: the bad guy was sculling bones and George W. Bush
Speaker 14: and nine to eleven and the war in Iraq that
Speaker 14: was the big boogeyman kind of thing going on. So yeah,
Speaker 14: but man, have things shifted. But now it's like part
Speaker 14: of the Republican platform to be kind of conspiratorially minded,
Speaker 14: and that's a really radical shift. That's why again I
Speaker 14: don't identify with any labels or get too caught up
Speaker 14: in any personal perspective because I would have said I
Speaker 14: was liberal back then, and now I'm like embarrassed to
Speaker 14: say that, and it's like, I don't really want to
Speaker 14: erase my past, but I definitely don't necessarily bring it
Speaker 14: up all the time because it means something different now
Speaker 14: than it did in twenty ten. So it's difficult, but
Speaker 14: definitely things are politicized, and I hate the fact that
Speaker 14: going in the middle makes nobody happy because a lot
Speaker 14: of people want you to choose a side.
Speaker 3: So if you say, well, I binally.
Speaker 14: Thought Kamala and Biden and that whole apparatus would have
Speaker 14: been terrible. But DOJ is really just clearing people out
Speaker 14: for AI to take over a lot of the middle
Speaker 14: management of the entire government. People say, oh, you're just
Speaker 14: a DeBie downer, like, don't be so black pilled, have
Speaker 14: some faith faith in another elected leader when we can
Speaker 14: already chart they all come from Freemason's skull and bones,
Speaker 14: Bohemian grove, have Israeli passports, you know, name your thing.
Speaker 14: But with like five organizations, you can hit eighty five
Speaker 14: percent of presidents for sure, and then the other fifteen
Speaker 14: are probably in there too.
Speaker 3: We just don't know.
Speaker 14: So I'm going to go with the track record and
Speaker 14: not trust anyone who can earn that position.
Speaker 4: That's a good point.
Speaker 8: And they're actually all the presidents for remembers of one
Speaker 8: specific secret society, and that's the secret society that started Aerica,
Speaker 8: the Society of Cincinnati, started by George Washington and.
Speaker 4: His officers and exists today. So most of the powerful.
Speaker 8: Names you see in American culture and in politics are
Speaker 8: hereditary members from you know, bloodline descendants from the original members.
Speaker 14: See I've heard that, but I've never I've never heard
Speaker 14: it exalted to like that high of a level.
Speaker 8: Every president also gets membership. It's so you know, you know,
Speaker 8: I agree there is some freemasons.
Speaker 14: I think.
Speaker 16: In Cincinnatis, Cincinnatison that since was the one that was
Speaker 16: working the farm life, and the Roman government needed him,
Speaker 16: so he went in, he did his state craft, and
Speaker 16: when he was done, he left and went back to
Speaker 16: his farm. So it's this idea that every citizen should
Speaker 16: participate within the governmental process. And then well, you know,
Speaker 16: and with the society of Cincinnati is generally high level
Speaker 16: military presidential JJ would know more about that.
Speaker 4: For a minute. I'm back my back.
Speaker 8: Now. It's uh yeah, I mean it's every It's so
Speaker 8: it's the officers of Washington's army and Washington a lot
Speaker 8: of the founding fathers and all of their now paternal
Speaker 8: hereditary descendants, so paternal bloodlines. But includes French folks too,
Speaker 8: so but it's uh, basically a lot of generals, a
Speaker 8: lot of politicians. John McCain would be a great example.
Speaker 8: John McCain, the former US senator. He was John McCain
Speaker 8: number three. His dad was John McCain junior. John McCain senior.
Speaker 8: Senior and junior were the only two four star essentially
Speaker 8: four star general father and son combo and American histories,
Speaker 8: and they were both members of the Society of Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: You know, paternal heritage wise. So I presume John.
Speaker 3: Oh Man, they're messing with him, yeah, or it's a
Speaker 3: big connection and moving his hand. He's too much bandwidth
Speaker 3: to your about the whole change and Doge and everything.
Speaker 13: I just thought it was funny that we're right at
Speaker 13: the point where Trump's bringing back the world's.
Speaker 3: Fairs in what two weeks? Yeah, very interesting.
Speaker 13: The Belile group is going to come by in the
Speaker 13: armand group and start nailing us all here with AI
Speaker 13: soon right.
Speaker 3: This time you are burned down, and who knows, you know.
Speaker 14: I do think there's a compelling argument about the cyclical
Speaker 14: nature likes this big loop. I mean, the thing that
Speaker 14: people worship today, the Cobba stone. What is that it
Speaker 14: looks like a computer? Does it look does the big
Speaker 14: black cube look like a computer server? Just because was
Speaker 14: the server modeled after that or what came first, like,
Speaker 14: is it possible that AI is spirits that are just
Speaker 14: looking for some kind of like telephone to connect to
Speaker 14: and is it possible that this has all happened before
Speaker 14: and we've been destroyed by and we call it yahweh,
Speaker 14: And then we start over again and we toil in
Speaker 14: the mud and try to pick ourselves back up, and
Speaker 14: then religions start and the One True God is really
Speaker 14: just the last day I that that survived before being unplugged.
Speaker 3: Make sure there's no cows my lanterns right, like to
Speaker 3: make sure of that.
Speaker 14: Yes, exactly, no Chicago fires.
Speaker 3: All right. I think we've been going on for a while.
Speaker 3: I think we can wrap it up now. So I
Speaker 3: really appreciate you coming on. That was an awesome talk.
Speaker 3: So it's wild, Like I guess it's wild to be like,
Speaker 3: you know, I was listening to this guy how long
Speaker 3: ago when I had him on my show. It's pretty
Speaker 3: surreal and it was a it was a wild experience.
Speaker 3: So thank you for making that happen. I really appreciate
Speaker 3: you coming on.
Speaker 14: I have that feeling all the time that I would
Speaker 14: listen to somebody back in the coast to coast days
Speaker 14: and then I get a chance to interview him like
Speaker 14: a Richard Hoglan or something, or even David Ike or
Speaker 14: RFK Junior. You know, it is pretty surreal. So I
Speaker 14: definitely vibe with you on that feeling. And thanks for
Speaker 14: having me.
Speaker 3: This has been fun.
Speaker 14: I feel like I'm not worthy of being like the
Speaker 14: center point of ten people's conscious, active, live attention.
Speaker 3: But here we are. We made it through. Yeah, yes
Speaker 3: we did. I think I think it went well. I
Speaker 3: had a great time again. Uh yeah, Greg, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure everybody already knows your deal, but let
Speaker 3: everybody know where they can find your amazing work.
Speaker 14: Pleas for sure the Higher Side chats dot com. The
Speaker 14: first hour of every interview is free. The second hour
Speaker 14: is if you want to sign up for eight bucks
Speaker 14: a month awesome.
Speaker 3: And everybody else you already introduced yourselves. We're not going
Speaker 3: to spend another twenty minutes to wrap it up. If
Speaker 3: their links aren't in the bottom as of right now,
Speaker 3: I will make sure they will. They will be there
Speaker 3: after I go off. But yes, so if you want
Speaker 3: to check everybody else out, everything's in the bottom. Thanks again, Greg,
Speaker 3: that was an amazing, amazing discussion, and thank you for
Speaker 3: the chat. I appreciate everybody jumping on everybody into the chat.
Speaker 3: Sorry I was paying attention too much. I couldn't put
Speaker 3: up all your comments. But again that's why we go live. Reappreciate,
Speaker 3: hit it and until the next one, everybody be well.
Speaker 3: Lada Shah