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<v Speaker 1>The Lapse Man presents the Complete Hull Kogan, a real

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<v Speaker 1>American story brought to you by Garage Beer.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're here with the legendary Baron von Rashki Darren.

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<v Speaker 2>We were at Mancini's last night in Saint Paul. I

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<v Speaker 2>saw your picture up on the wall. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 2>going to Mancinies after the matches at Saint Paul?

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<v Speaker 3>You need to know that. I'll tell you all you

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<v Speaker 3>need to know. We used to love to go to Mancini.

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<v Speaker 4>You play us in the back room. You have cooked

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<v Speaker 4>special meals for us, the wrestlers. I'mre the giant burn Ganya. Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>My friends, yes, and my enemies.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>David A little anyway. I love that when Hulk came in,

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<v Speaker 2>did did you see the Hulk that he would become.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you remember about Holp working for vern.

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<v Speaker 3>Hulk work working for Verne?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>H It didn't seem like they got that got along

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<v Speaker 5>too well. Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 4>He was too green. He was too green when I

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<v Speaker 4>when I met him in.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh he he uh.

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<v Speaker 5>He was a big star and he it's too bad

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<v Speaker 5>that he had bad habits.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you say too green as a fan, I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder what you mean. It's good on the mic, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>what was it? How was he green back? Then?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's just uh the tindy of the matches, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Yuh, don't let us get in the way of your business.

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<v Speaker 7>You see me for a minute, who.

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<v Speaker 8>We are waving up from?

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like Barry Darso, looks like Barry Darso. Who

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<v Speaker 2>the hell isn't it you're saying green? As far as

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<v Speaker 2>timing of the matches, you mean, oh for sure? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>where are we? Well, we're talking about Hulking you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about when you say green, what aspects of the game

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't he picked up yet? If he ever did?

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<v Speaker 6>Uh, we had all the important tools he needed to

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<v Speaker 6>be a big success.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh his uh work.

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<v Speaker 6>In the ring worth it was adequate. But he just uh,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't want to saying loratory, but uh oh of.

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<v Speaker 2>Course not no, no, just your assessment. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think Varne coached him up? Did you ever

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<v Speaker 2>witness Verne trying to give help pointers? Could people talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that? Or Greg?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, you learn that you learned something new about this thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yea our sport.

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<v Speaker 6>Every time you go in the round every night, it's different,

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<v Speaker 6>the crowd's different, the areas different, everything is different.

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<v Speaker 4>For you have to adjust the things and adjustment. And

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<v Speaker 4>it seems to.

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<v Speaker 9>Me that.

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<v Speaker 6>Hope had developed his own pattern, his own way, and

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<v Speaker 6>he was very successful that that. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 6>favor like that. Uh, there's always the same, the same match.

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<v Speaker 6>He had the same match almost.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole night. Sure, absolutely, did you witness him? Why

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<v Speaker 2>did he butt heads with Verne so much? Did there?

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<v Speaker 10>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard Brad Ring and Greg, Jim Buzziell a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of guys talk about how they butted heads. Did they

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<v Speaker 2>just have personalities that didn't match? What did that? What

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<v Speaker 2>did you see? I have no idea. Yeah, yeah, just

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<v Speaker 2>a couple more for you, Baron. What do you think

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<v Speaker 2>happened the A w A ultimately? I mean, obviously Vince

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<v Speaker 2>went national and did vern not make the right adjustments?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it over before it started? What's your perspective?

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<v Speaker 11>It was what it was?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 12>I don't know. It was just like the business.

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<v Speaker 5>They were.

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<v Speaker 4>Going back and forth, and uh, pretty seen most of

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<v Speaker 4>the w A I A w A have.

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<v Speaker 5>Recruited into the wwwwwww.

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<v Speaker 13>Anyone want to ask.

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<v Speaker 14>Did you ever have dinner at Vern's house on Lake

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<v Speaker 14>Minnetonka the Palace?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know making dinner well Fern's house on Lake Minatonka.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever have the boys over for big dinners?

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<v Speaker 15>No?

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<v Speaker 4>Really, no, no, I never idea I did it?

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<v Speaker 16>He did?

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<v Speaker 2>He once? I was Yeah, he was barbecuing one time Barbice.

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<v Speaker 4>We had some meetings there, but they so you do

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<v Speaker 4>business there sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it wasn't for a meal. Last question for you, Benn,

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<v Speaker 2>and part of my ignorance. Did you participate in The

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<v Speaker 2>Wrestler nineteen seventy four with that asthma or the movie?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you around that scene?

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<v Speaker 10>No?

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<v Speaker 4>No, yeah, they were too busy trying to get pressure rush.

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<v Speaker 2>They got crusher, Dick bruiser Dustin rush rush Sure.

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<v Speaker 4>A bruiser through the apartment door. They both wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>be in.

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<v Speaker 2>The room first. Why are you fighting to get into door?

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<v Speaker 2>Mus a story I heard about that. You're a real gentleman.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for the time, all the best

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<v Speaker 2>of you, Thanks for all what you did.

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<v Speaker 1>A laps fan wrestling podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're here with the grappler Lendenton, who's extremely kind

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<v Speaker 2>to give us some time Lenn. Recently and looking back

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<v Speaker 2>at Hulk Cogan's career, we came upon nineteen eighty a

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<v Speaker 2>Super numb show where he wrestled Andre's kind of right

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<v Speaker 2>before the Shay Stadium match they had. We chatted a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't remember that exact show, but can you talk

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<v Speaker 2>to us about any memories of Hogan in those earliest

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<v Speaker 2>days when he first started working with Andrea before he

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<v Speaker 2>became the superhero.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I remember, I remember when he was named was

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<v Speaker 8>Sterling Golden Gillia and I was in Nashell, Tennessee. Him

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<v Speaker 8>and David Schultz worked with me. It's some of my

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<v Speaker 8>in a tag match and he he was so green.

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<v Speaker 8>He dropped the elbow my ribs.

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<v Speaker 3>And I came in and I remember going back because

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<v Speaker 3>he's a rookie. I cheered his ass. I said, stupid,

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<v Speaker 3>something like you who taught you how to work? He

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<v Speaker 3>was green on I said, tell him learn how to work?

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<v Speaker 17>You killed me?

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<v Speaker 3>Do what are you doing? I I didn't mean, Ju'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, but I mean he was.

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<v Speaker 8>Like, that's where it was the guys that were above you,

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<v Speaker 8>that's how you learned, right. I mean I wouldn't cause

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<v Speaker 8>you might want to fight, you say, listen, you gotta

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<v Speaker 8>learned all the way and all like that, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>but uh, he was cool with it. But then then

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<v Speaker 8>after they all left Knoxville and I think that's when

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<v Speaker 8>he went to New York or something with Yes, I.

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<v Speaker 13>Don't remember that specific match and was super Dome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, But I'm glad you mentioned Knoxville because we were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to find people who remembered that era, because that

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<v Speaker 2>was that was after Ron Fuller had sold Knoxville.

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<v Speaker 3>That Barnett exactly, I went there.

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<v Speaker 2>They were going to give me a big break, really,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I.

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<v Speaker 8>Went there and I was there about thirty four weeks

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<v Speaker 8>and they're not doing nothing. I remember if his Ox

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<v Speaker 8>Baker was there and I was riding with him almost

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<v Speaker 8>every night, and I think I was there three months

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<v Speaker 8>and maybe then I went to Calgary.

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<v Speaker 3>From there, we're winning toys, right. I knew I could

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<v Speaker 3>work on top.

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<v Speaker 8>There to get a spot on the top, so I

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<v Speaker 8>can finally get a spot back in the States on top.

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<v Speaker 8>When I remember about Knoxville was as ox Baker goes, kid, listen,

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<v Speaker 8>you you do great promos, You do good promos, but

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<v Speaker 8>you need a tagline something.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember, you buy.

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<v Speaker 8>He's here, guys, and then we're going and we're riding

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<v Speaker 8>here every night. This went on for like two or

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<v Speaker 8>three weeks. Finally one day picks me up and he goes,

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<v Speaker 8>beet in the car.

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<v Speaker 3>I got it, I got it. He goes, this is it.

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<v Speaker 13>They got a name for you.

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<v Speaker 8>When you're the greatest wrestler in restling today, they don't

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<v Speaker 8>call you a great wrestler.

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<v Speaker 3>They call you the grappler. Beat me if you can't,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've been using it ever since.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you can't start, you gave me word for

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<v Speaker 2>box did so.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a great talk.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad you got Oh. I'm so glad you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned Knoxville, because so Haulk was with Ron Fuller in

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<v Speaker 2>seventy nine. He wrestled Andre there in Dothan, Alabama, and

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<v Speaker 2>like March, then he wrestled Harley there in July and

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<v Speaker 2>Dothan and a lot of people don't know anything about

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<v Speaker 2>that territory because it wasn't It doesn't survive on video.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember hearing at all about this green Hawk

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<v Speaker 2>guy before he came into Knoxville.

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<v Speaker 3>No, just when I was there, he was there, that

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<v Speaker 3>was there. How this guy gigantic.

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<v Speaker 17>He looks great.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this guy looks like a million minute. He

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<v Speaker 3>looks like a million dollars, but you don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>to work it. And he did it.

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<v Speaker 7>He did it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I knew eventually he would get it because he

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<v Speaker 3>lives athletic, you know so. But but yeah, everybody was

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<v Speaker 3>looking like, yeah, the guy's gonna get it pushed soon

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<v Speaker 3>or legs.

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<v Speaker 4>Look at me?

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<v Speaker 10>How what it was?

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<v Speaker 14>It was so I.

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<v Speaker 3>Got so big, so I everybody knew he was going

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<v Speaker 3>to get a push. On the top of the reaching.

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<v Speaker 2>He had that belt that had like the American flag

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<v Speaker 2>colors on there. Do you remember what that was at

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<v Speaker 2>the Southeastern heavyweight he wrestled.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my opinion was, yeah, see I was there and

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<v Speaker 3>they just I was here supposed to give me a.

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<v Speaker 17>Push, and you know it didn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember Tony Atlas was there give her guys like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It seemed like a lot of the guys that were

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<v Speaker 2>working for only in Georgia after Yeah, guys like that.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I wasn't doing very young.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 13>I remember was Stuart Calgary from.

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<v Speaker 2>Who was the boss of the territory then? Who who

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<v Speaker 2>do you remember running that show and not slow.

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<v Speaker 18>I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 13>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very hard for us to was well, it's so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Barnett had taken over, was it? It wasn't Bob Bruke

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<v Speaker 2>because he was Bob Bruke got drummed out of the

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<v Speaker 2>territory after that because he had he had the fight

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<v Speaker 2>with Ron Fuller and then dis later was there, h yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he was booking up well, Fuller had

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<v Speaker 2>given up Knoxville to Barnett, so Fuller had the war

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<v Speaker 2>over Knoxville. Wouldn't know who he wasn't No, not written,

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<v Speaker 2>not quite.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember Hogan wrestling Andrea Knoxville. There's a match?

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<v Speaker 2>Well here, I remember this and okay, yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't watch the match, but I know that he's

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<v Speaker 3>on the car, okay, okay, and I remember this is

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<v Speaker 3>no ship. People don't believe this. Harley Races. Here is

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<v Speaker 3>a big car, right, Okay, Harley Race is here? All

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<v Speaker 3>these guys in there in the state. Was it Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 2>Could have been.

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<v Speaker 8>He was there in late seventy nine Thanksgiving show and

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<v Speaker 8>and Hogan was going when I put my what do

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe nobody got jock.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the people, like I said, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Different guys, you mess around, right, yeah, And so Andre

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<v Speaker 3>put it on me? No, I said, put it on

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<v Speaker 8>He did.

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<v Speaker 3>He shot it and he didn't.

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<v Speaker 18>Lock it like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he locked it like the script wa way way

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<v Speaker 2>you can't. He's like yeah yeah, and Andre like buddy,

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<v Speaker 3>Brunning, your mouth was there?

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<v Speaker 18>Was there?

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<v Speaker 3>Quite hell? Oh shit, shit. Andre got pissed. So he

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<v Speaker 3>got tired of hear it. You talk about it, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, what's he thinking walking around.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying he was just Andre had enough, bunny. So he

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<v Speaker 3>got up and said all right.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Because everyone talks about how there's tensions between Hulk and

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<v Speaker 2>Andrea and like, you know, the WrestleMania three stuff, But

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<v Speaker 2>to us, we go back and it's like Andre gave

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<v Speaker 2>him a huge break in Alabama. He worked him before

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<v Speaker 2>he could do anything in the room. So it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like they're actually buddies. I don't know, but it sounds

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit with his ego.

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<v Speaker 13>He didn't like the Eagle and.

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<v Speaker 10>What it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you remember Bill Watt's having a problem with Hulk.

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<v Speaker 1>No One.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just that one story from that Super Home

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<v Speaker 2>show because Hulk says that Bill was trying to like

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<v Speaker 2>put one over on him and make him lose to

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<v Speaker 2>Wahoo and then lose to Andre. When Hulk is just

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't doubt will do that, Bill. I mean Bill,

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<v Speaker 3>he was pretty the Bill was one hell of a mastermind.

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<v Speaker 15>Was me.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, he's got to draw money. I give

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<v Speaker 3>a guy credit for that. Brother, He gave me my gimmick. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I didn't come there and go I want

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<v Speaker 3>to wear a little bit, wear a mask. You just

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<v Speaker 3>need a mask, guy, and you're gonna wear a load

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<v Speaker 3>of blue. They're okay. That's the way I went down.

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<v Speaker 2>Last question for you. Thank you for the time. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very nice of you. What do you make of of Hulk?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we lost him last year. What he went

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<v Speaker 2>on to become from when you remember that Green kid?

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<v Speaker 2>You know the business so well.

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<v Speaker 8>Dy Piper was a good friend of mine and he

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<v Speaker 8>knew Holgan. You know he was a good guy. Guys

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<v Speaker 8>that I know that knowing, Like when.

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<v Speaker 11>You're no threat.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing. When you're a threat to.

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<v Speaker 8>The guy in the business, sometimes you get a different opinion.

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<v Speaker 8>But if you're not a threat coming by one of

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<v Speaker 8>the best guys you ever met, yeah, you know what

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<v Speaker 8>I'm saying, Because if you threatened my job, like hey,

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<v Speaker 8>this guy trying to take my place, you know, all

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<v Speaker 8>of a sudden you may have some man and mossty

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<v Speaker 8>or problem. But then like if if you're not a threat,

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<v Speaker 8>you may be one of the boys you've met, you

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<v Speaker 8>know what I mean. It was always nice to me.

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<v Speaker 8>I wouldn't rhyme that much, but I was never a

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<v Speaker 8>threat to Zob. I was like, hey, brother, I'm always

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<v Speaker 8>making him look good. You know, how many time do

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<v Speaker 8>you want to swim me?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care. I want to eat to pay day?

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<v Speaker 9>Brother?

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah fly.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you all the best of you, buddy. It was

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<v Speaker 2>very nice to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>The Last Fall Wrestling Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn Spivey The One and Only Waylen Mercy as well.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things we always wondered about is longtime fans.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a point in eighty four, so when you were

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<v Speaker 2>with vents at Hope was there, of course, and you

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<v Speaker 2>you had the pair to look like you had the

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<v Speaker 2>yellow trunks.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it about.

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to like pass you off as like Hogan's

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<v Speaker 2>brother or something.

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<v Speaker 17>No, that's not And that was the biggest mistake that

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<v Speaker 17>I ever made.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really do it?

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<v Speaker 18>Oh?

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, I should went in with black hair, been more.

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<v Speaker 20>Of the Brusier Brodie type where I could reward we're

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<v Speaker 20>holding right, And uh, they got rid.

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<v Speaker 3>Of me because I looked too much like him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I was going to say, that was your choice

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<v Speaker 2>to come in with that look and ask you to

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<v Speaker 2>look like that.

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, No, they didn't ask me anything. It was a

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<v Speaker 17>stupid mistake on my part. Yeah, So I don't know

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<v Speaker 17>why I did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah did they? Did they ask you to change your look?

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<v Speaker 2>Or did they just say get lost?

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<v Speaker 12>That's the get him a walking paper? Is that right?

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<v Speaker 18>You know?

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<v Speaker 17>When I first went in there, I was teamed up

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<v Speaker 17>with Mike your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Right and right.

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<v Speaker 12>We had the red, white and blue deal going on.

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<v Speaker 2>You know America had left right, Yeah, yeah, and so.

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<v Speaker 20>And then you know I went as a single because

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<v Speaker 20>Mike lab and for some stupid reason, I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 17>I did someone said something.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I would have done it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was hogan to work with your experience with

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<v Speaker 2>him over.

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<v Speaker 13>The years, I never worked with him.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I meant in the same locker room. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I got you.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I knew him with poor Rustling.

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<v Speaker 2>He played in the rock and Roll back in Tampa

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<v Speaker 2>show and I was.

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<v Speaker 17>The bouncer at a lot of the clubs.

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<v Speaker 2>The Imperial Room was that one of them?

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<v Speaker 5>No theme of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the other place.

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<v Speaker 20>Yeah, the Imperial Room is Tuesday night. That's where the

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<v Speaker 20>wrestlers went because we wrestled. They ristled in Tampa, Yes, Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 20>and the Imperial Room is like a country western bar.

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<v Speaker 18>That right.

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<v Speaker 2>So so what do you remember about Hoult from back then,

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<v Speaker 2>because everyone has memories. Was he up on the stage

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<v Speaker 2>playing or was it?

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, it was on the stage playing, and yeah they

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<v Speaker 17>was a pretty good band they had.

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<v Speaker 20>It's called Ruckus And you know that's right, any kind

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<v Speaker 20>of put the relationship or anything with your snow side.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's looking back at that time in Florida. You

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<v Speaker 2>hear Matsuda was breaking guys in Hulk has his story

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<v Speaker 2>about do you think that's some bullshit? The whole story

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<v Speaker 2>about What do you think about that story?

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<v Speaker 3>That's a story?

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<v Speaker 9>Wow?

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<v Speaker 20>You yeah, I can't because Max Sua ten years before

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<v Speaker 20>I got into business, I went to Masuda and it

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<v Speaker 20>was the worst football camp. And through I've been something

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<v Speaker 20>through Georgia's football camps, a little if the Jets football

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<v Speaker 20>camp for you know, Jacksonville Express, and it was harder

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<v Speaker 20>than any of those camps.

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<v Speaker 2>It was was he was he twisting and bending or

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<v Speaker 2>was he just running in center the.

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<v Speaker 20>Exercises, exercises, fine squad, it was I wouldn't he shaped

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<v Speaker 20>for that at all?

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<v Speaker 17>Now he killed me and I eventually didn't come back.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't come back. Oh yeah, you're one of the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that didn't come to the last wrestling podcast. Pleasure to

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<v Speaker 2>be here with Ken Anderson, former TNA champ, mister Anderson,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Thanks, thanks for the time.

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<v Speaker 5>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>You were in TNA when Hogan a dishot came in.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been a lot of talk about that listed a

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<v Speaker 2>dark side series on that whole TNA thing. What is

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<v Speaker 2>your perspective on Hogan's influence good or bad at TNA?

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<v Speaker 2>What did you observe so for me it.

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<v Speaker 15>Was all positive, Like I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 15>been in TNA to begin with.

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<v Speaker 13>Maybe I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's hard to say.

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<v Speaker 15>I might probably would have eventually found my way there

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<v Speaker 15>because I remember when I first left ww WE Booker

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<v Speaker 15>t actually was the first person to reach out to

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<v Speaker 15>me and he said, Hey, the water is fine over here.

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<v Speaker 13>It's a great place. You should definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Consider coming over here.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I did the Hogan Tour of Australia.

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<v Speaker 15>It was one of the coolest tours that I've ever

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<v Speaker 15>been a part of, and I got to know how

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<v Speaker 15>and I got to know Eric, and we got to

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<v Speaker 15>understand each other a little bit and have a good

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<v Speaker 15>working relationship. So when they got into TNA, they were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 15>this guy should have a place here too. So they

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<v Speaker 15>really helped me get in the door at TNA and

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<v Speaker 15>be in the position that I was in. You know,

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<v Speaker 15>like I when I first started in TNA, I didn't

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<v Speaker 15>have a great contract. It was a pretty I know,

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<v Speaker 15>I went from making really really good money in w

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<v Speaker 15>WS and making okay money, just okay money in TNA.

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<v Speaker 15>But you know, because they gave me the ball so much,

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<v Speaker 15>I was able to then have a pretty good lucrative

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<v Speaker 15>career at TNA, and I was there for six years.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a really nice run. You know, what was Holgan?

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<v Speaker 2>How was he hands on with booking and telling talent

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<v Speaker 2>what to do or did you just see him, you

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<v Speaker 2>know in passing? What was look like backstage?

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<v Speaker 21>Is his presence as far as I know, Like I,

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<v Speaker 21>as far as I know, he didn't really have anything

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<v Speaker 21>to do with with creative It was mostly Eric Fisher, Eric.

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah, I was Eric working with with Mitch Musso and

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<v Speaker 15>Ed Berraro when I first came there, So as far

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<v Speaker 15>as I know, it was just the three of them,

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<v Speaker 15>and Hope was just there and you know, he had

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<v Speaker 15>creative control over the things that he was involved in,

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<v Speaker 15>but other than that, and he was you know, he

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<v Speaker 15>was cool backstage. It wasn't like he went into his

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<v Speaker 15>dressing room and just stayed to himself. He would come

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<v Speaker 15>out and mingle and have you know, eat catering with

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<v Speaker 15>the boys and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when they put the belt on Rob and then

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<v Speaker 2>Rob's contract expired and he like they couldn't take it

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<v Speaker 2>off of him. They had a byss kill him in

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<v Speaker 2>the back. All that that was like a weird time.

436
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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember there being like talk about like, what,

437
00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:22.200
<v Speaker 2>where's the world title standing? It's bouncing around a lot,

438
00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:24.480
<v Speaker 2>It's it's people aren't losing it in the ring.

439
00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:26.480
<v Speaker 9>I have no neck.

440
00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:30.960
<v Speaker 2>That was like thend that was like the mid midpoint

441
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<v Speaker 2>of it.

442
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<v Speaker 15>I don't even know that happened.

443
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<v Speaker 13>Yeah it did.

444
00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they showed Van dam backstages all boyd even that

445
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<v Speaker 2>was the last year solve them until they reworked the

446
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<v Speaker 2>deal of Maryland. Gosh, do you think all told that

447
00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:46.039
<v Speaker 2>Hogan was accepted by the TNA fans now you would

448
00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:47.799
<v Speaker 2>just come so you want one of those TNA guys

449
00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:49.480
<v Speaker 2>that had the sense of the fan base as much.

450
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<v Speaker 2>But it sounds like they're ejected. I don't know what

451
00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:53.119
<v Speaker 2>did you what did you sense?

452
00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:55.759
<v Speaker 13>I didn't feel that at all. No, really, I never

453
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<v Speaker 13>felt that.

454
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<v Speaker 15>In fact, I wasn't aware of the negative that until

455
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<v Speaker 15>I just saw the the documentary. I just saw like

456
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<v Speaker 15>the last episode. I didn't even realize it was a

457
00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:10.480
<v Speaker 15>three party. I just saw the last the last episode,

458
00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:12.960
<v Speaker 15>you know, I didn't really even know that it was

459
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<v Speaker 15>like the whole thing man until just just now was

460
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<v Speaker 15>news to me as far as I knew the crowd,

461
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<v Speaker 15>you know, because it was relatively it was the same

462
00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:25.160
<v Speaker 15>crowd week week to week, at least when we were

463
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<v Speaker 15>at the Impact Zone in Orlando, and then we took

464
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<v Speaker 15>it on the road briefly, which I didn't that was

465
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<v Speaker 15>you know, I didn't at the time.

466
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<v Speaker 3>I didn't knew it was a great idea because it

467
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<v Speaker 3>was really expensive.

468
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<v Speaker 15>You know, you gotta pay for everybody's hotel rooms and

469
00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:47.640
<v Speaker 15>you gotta pay for flights and the truck itself to

470
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<v Speaker 15>so move there and uh yeah, so wrap the building

471
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<v Speaker 15>out and until rent. When you rent a big building

472
00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:57.440
<v Speaker 15>out like that, that require you to have like you

473
00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:00.559
<v Speaker 15>got to have an ambulance on hand, you gotta have

474
00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:07.960
<v Speaker 15>a police officers play we're in security building stand, you know. Yeah,

475
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<v Speaker 15>So it was a huge It was hugely expensive. I

476
00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:15.119
<v Speaker 15>heard at some point that it was like two hundred

477
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<v Speaker 15>and fifty thousand dollars a week. Wow, what they were

478
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<v Speaker 15>spending just to do that, Just to How How was

479
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<v Speaker 15>Dixon did?

480
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<v Speaker 2>She was always cool to me.

481
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<v Speaker 3>It always had a good working relationship.

482
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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, I had a great working relationship with addiction.

483
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<v Speaker 15>She was very very nice to me and I always

484
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<v Speaker 15>got along with her and her husband, Sergio, Like we

485
00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:39.960
<v Speaker 15>would go out to dinner from time.

486
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<v Speaker 2>To time, the last Pan Wrestling podcast and here with

487
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<v Speaker 2>John Nord. John, thank you so much for the time.

488
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<v Speaker 2>You know, we're looking back at at learn in the

489
00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:51.599
<v Speaker 2>AWA time, So working back at Hogan and him coming

490
00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:55.480
<v Speaker 2>through what do you think Hogan figured out about himself

491
00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:58.240
<v Speaker 2>and Awa, why did it work and sent him up

492
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<v Speaker 2>for Vince to take to take him and then run

493
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<v Speaker 2>with him.

494
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<v Speaker 9>Wall the Holgan was a nice enough fellow where he

495
00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:08.079
<v Speaker 9>knew he wasn't perfect with Burn and when he was

496
00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:11.400
<v Speaker 9>on Johnny Carson, even when he was with Events.

497
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:15.000
<v Speaker 22>I mean, he knew that he was this big, you know,

498
00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:18.799
<v Speaker 22>kind of dummy type guy, and Carson could kind of

499
00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:22.160
<v Speaker 22>make him look like this big dumb guy with hundred in.

500
00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:25.119
<v Speaker 11>Charms and all that, and Hogan wasn't like that. Holgan

501
00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:28.960
<v Speaker 11>is a very articulate a guy, and this and that

502
00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:29.559
<v Speaker 11>and the other.

503
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<v Speaker 9>But what he learned about himself is uh uh, getting

504
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<v Speaker 9>away I'll get away from Burn and figuring it out

505
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:48.200
<v Speaker 9>that now you're in a massive machine and now it's.

506
00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:51.279
<v Speaker 11>Time for me to groom down.

507
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:59.119
<v Speaker 9>Get can make everything I do mean something like I'll

508
00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:00.799
<v Speaker 9>take you by the and all that.

509
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:04.359
<v Speaker 19>Everybody thought he said that too many times. I thought

510
00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:08.119
<v Speaker 19>he did too, but guess what he didn't because it worked.

511
00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:11.319
<v Speaker 2>It worked. We've heard that brad Ring and some other

512
00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:14.119
<v Speaker 2>guys who observed Vern dealing with Hope, they butt heads

513
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:18.799
<v Speaker 2>a lot. Verne would call people idiots and talk about

514
00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:21.839
<v Speaker 2>Vern's like temperament because to us as fans, who just

515
00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:23.759
<v Speaker 2>looked like he always had it to come together. But

516
00:24:23.839 --> 00:24:25.559
<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes he could get on your case if

517
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<v Speaker 2>he didn't like what you were doing.

518
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<v Speaker 11>Oh, Vern was like. Vern was like, I got a story.

519
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:35.559
<v Speaker 9>Kevin Kelly is in there and Verne comes in the

520
00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:39.079
<v Speaker 9>locker room and he goes, hey, hey, Burn, my name's

521
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:41.920
<v Speaker 9>Kevin Kelly, and Verne books at him.

522
00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.440
<v Speaker 11>He goes, no, it is he. I mean that was

523
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<v Speaker 11>just Vern and we laughed.

524
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:50.480
<v Speaker 9>If you think about it, it's really funny if you

525
00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:53.119
<v Speaker 9>if you think about how it is because you got

526
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<v Speaker 9>an old vern On. What a massive eagle he had, Yes, yes,

527
00:24:57.079 --> 00:25:00.440
<v Speaker 9>But what I loved about Burn Now my father with

528
00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:04.000
<v Speaker 9>Burn's best man and his best friend growing.

529
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:07.319
<v Speaker 11>Up in Robinston. What was his name, Joe Elson E?

530
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<v Speaker 11>Ls M.

531
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<v Speaker 9>They graduated forty three Robbinsdale. When I told Burn that

532
00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:15.480
<v Speaker 9>Joe Elson was my father.

533
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.119
<v Speaker 11>In law when I was in brand's very first camp.

534
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:23.359
<v Speaker 19>He went, what are you talking about Joe Elson from

535
00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:26.400
<v Speaker 19>He thought, maybe I'm talking about another guy.

536
00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.440
<v Speaker 9>And so I literally could never get played, ever get

537
00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:33.480
<v Speaker 9>I could do anything and I but burn.

538
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:36.119
<v Speaker 19>Wasn't can I missed the big day, I missed the

539
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:36.680
<v Speaker 19>big money.

540
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.160
<v Speaker 11>Hears, I had a few good paydays.

541
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<v Speaker 2>And some of the guys over the years round that

542
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:42.799
<v Speaker 2>said Verne would take a percentage if he broke your

543
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:43.440
<v Speaker 2>way and stuff.

544
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:47.680
<v Speaker 23>No, you never do that, but he was doing that

545
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:52.440
<v Speaker 23>to certain guys, you know, guys that had no business

546
00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:54.559
<v Speaker 23>being in there type thing.

547
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:58.440
<v Speaker 9>They were just too hard to look at and they're like, oh,

548
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:01.480
<v Speaker 9>that's not good for them. That guy don't look like

549
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:02.440
<v Speaker 9>you can knock.

550
00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:05.279
<v Speaker 12>Over girls carrying a pana brown.

551
00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Now, when when you talked about Vern, you know, being

552
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.119
<v Speaker 2>having kind of a hot hugging dude. But but you

553
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>couldn't get fired. Did he Did you ever scream at you?

554
00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me a story about.

555
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:16.920
<v Speaker 17>No, he never did.

556
00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:20.359
<v Speaker 9>But I seen him stream at plenty of guys. And

557
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:23.559
<v Speaker 9>of course you heard about Eddy Sharky shooting and in

558
00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:28.920
<v Speaker 9>his office. But Vern would be like would come up

559
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:29.799
<v Speaker 9>to certain.

560
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:32.640
<v Speaker 11>Guys and like you hit him in the pehead and god,

561
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:33.720
<v Speaker 11>what's wrong with you?

562
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:34.279
<v Speaker 9>You go.

563
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:37.480
<v Speaker 13>Spot?

564
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:43.559
<v Speaker 23>Yeah, you're like, who did you ever beat? He would say, yeah,

565
00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:48.440
<v Speaker 23>like like amateur, who did you ever beat? No, I

566
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:53.400
<v Speaker 23>didn't beat Kale standards. This is pro wrestling. And that

567
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:56.400
<v Speaker 23>was Burn's famous line was who did you ever beat?

568
00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:01.319
<v Speaker 23>And Burn courts with two time national champion and also

569
00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:02.200
<v Speaker 23>a war hero.

570
00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:06.680
<v Speaker 9>So these guys were real guys, and I think and

571
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:09.880
<v Speaker 9>what I loved about Burn was he tried to keep

572
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:16.039
<v Speaker 9>it real as possible and tried to keep tried to

573
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:18.359
<v Speaker 9>keep real tough guys in there.

574
00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:22.119
<v Speaker 3>But saying that he didn't.

575
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.279
<v Speaker 19>I mean, I see one job guy with fingers in

576
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:29.519
<v Speaker 19>at door of the arm and like that, one guy

577
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:30.440
<v Speaker 19>named Jim Mitchell.

578
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:32.960
<v Speaker 11>He had a hand like this, the current handed and

579
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:35.599
<v Speaker 11>always look at me angle and go, hey.

580
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:42.039
<v Speaker 3>Mitchal you want to go, that's what your thing looks like.

581
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:43.200
<v Speaker 7>It's just like that.

582
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:46.079
<v Speaker 3>Amazing and I would go a typical court handing.

583
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Last question for you, did you ever have a program

584
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:51.880
<v Speaker 2>with Hogan scheduled in WWF?

585
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:54.559
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I did, well.

586
00:27:54.759 --> 00:28:02.839
<v Speaker 19>Brad Langans was talking, Uh was talking to then real regularly.

587
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:10.880
<v Speaker 13>Now this is in maybe yeah eighty eighty six, you're right.

588
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:13.920
<v Speaker 2>He wanted Brad do like a camp, like a wrest

589
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:15.279
<v Speaker 2>wrestling camp.

590
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:19.119
<v Speaker 17>He wanted world, Yes, you want to hauld Cogan wrestling camp.

591
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:21.240
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, And uh uh.

592
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.039
<v Speaker 9>Brad would always kind of brag about me because he's

593
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:26.039
<v Speaker 9>in my good buddy.

594
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:27.000
<v Speaker 11>Anyways, I talk to.

595
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:27.680
<v Speaker 12>Him every day.

596
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:28.279
<v Speaker 2>How's he doing.

597
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.960
<v Speaker 11>He's he's he's struggle man. Yeah, he's having an ankle.

598
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:33.240
<v Speaker 11>He had ankle surgery.

599
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.359
<v Speaker 9>He's had twenty nine survey goodness, real, twenty nine bullshit.

600
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:43.279
<v Speaker 9>But anyway, yet he mentioned and he and he he

601
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:47.920
<v Speaker 9>mentioned me to Holgan, and Hogan goes just exactly like this,

602
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:49.200
<v Speaker 9>he goes.

603
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.519
<v Speaker 17>He's my man, He's the one I got picked out

604
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:54.119
<v Speaker 17>right now, really, and I.

605
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.319
<v Speaker 11>Always looked at pro wrestling, I think as like a

606
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:00.640
<v Speaker 11>part time job. It's just parady.

607
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:04.400
<v Speaker 24>Yes, And I never got serious really about it.

608
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.079
<v Speaker 11>And I wish I would have, because if I would have,

609
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.000
<v Speaker 11>I would have. I know I would I had been

610
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 11>able to have along with Wolgan. I want to kept

611
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:15.200
<v Speaker 11>training and I want to went back to the car lot.

612
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:15.440
<v Speaker 17>And all that.

613
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:18.279
<v Speaker 2>So by the time he came into Viking, there wasn't

614
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>a program.

615
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:21.759
<v Speaker 11>There wasn't one to schedule.

616
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:27.039
<v Speaker 9>And I think I could have had one if they

617
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:29.920
<v Speaker 9>would have had it on the books, Like look at

618
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.039
<v Speaker 9>this when I came in as a VIK and I

619
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:35.200
<v Speaker 9>was big, My arms were big, and and I wasn't

620
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:39.440
<v Speaker 9>all wore out yet. But I think they still could

621
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:42.680
<v Speaker 9>have been But but they didn't because they were waiting

622
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:46.720
<v Speaker 9>to see if I was gonna go fuck it, I'm

623
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<v Speaker 9>out of here, John, Thank you so much.

624
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:50.559
<v Speaker 5>The Man.

625
00:29:53.960 --> 00:30:08.640
<v Speaker 25>Wrestling Podcast with Jack and jo a Lap Crown Wrestling podcast.

626
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:11.119
<v Speaker 13>You're going to go with Mickey Morley.

627
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm making VICKI meet you. What's your story? You're

628
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:16.400
<v Speaker 2>a regular hero, You're a part of the Yeah, it

629
00:30:16.400 --> 00:30:17.920
<v Speaker 2>looks like you brought a buck into O two. Yeah,

630
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:18.599
<v Speaker 2>couple of books here.

631
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<v Speaker 18>I love it.

632
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:20.920
<v Speaker 2>So you then coming here forever.

633
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:25.200
<v Speaker 18>Since nineteen seventy seven. I met nickname seeing me back

634
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:26.680
<v Speaker 18>in nineteen sixty nine.

635
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he team.

636
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:30.599
<v Speaker 18>I was working for his cousin on the east side

637
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.440
<v Speaker 18>of Saint Paul and Nick would come visit us every week.

638
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:36.000
<v Speaker 18>And a couple of years later I got over here,

639
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<v Speaker 18>said whether Harry Bennett been waiting for me?

640
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:38.240
<v Speaker 26>Yeah?

641
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:39.119
<v Speaker 13>But Nick?

642
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:42.720
<v Speaker 18>No, Nick opened it would have been where that front

643
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:44.960
<v Speaker 18>door is up there at five point thirty one was seventh.

644
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<v Speaker 13>Okay, the original bar would have been an old three

645
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:50.039
<v Speaker 13>two beer bar.

646
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.079
<v Speaker 18>In nineteen forty eight, he came home from the army

647
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<v Speaker 18>and his folk staked him to the bar.

648
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:59.599
<v Speaker 13>He was sold beer and his mom made spaghetti and meatball.

649
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Right, So what about the wrestlers here, they were coming

650
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:02.680
<v Speaker 2>after the matches.

651
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:05.279
<v Speaker 13>It so yeah, it was really big, I would say

652
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:06.000
<v Speaker 13>from a box.

653
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:12.319
<v Speaker 18>Oh, nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine into the mid eighties,

654
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:17.559
<v Speaker 18>and basically for the for those first few years when

655
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:20.000
<v Speaker 18>they still have the Gentleman's Agreement, Dania just said the

656
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:24.319
<v Speaker 18>Midwest that man kept the East. Danya's guys would they'd

657
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:26.960
<v Speaker 18>have a big match on Sunday nights at the old

658
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:30.119
<v Speaker 18>Civic Sentar, it's where the Excel is now. Well, they'd

659
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.519
<v Speaker 18>have a big match about Sunday night. They'd come in

660
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 18>about ten thirty eleven o'clock. After the match. Andre Giant

661
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.200
<v Speaker 18>would come in, right, he come in, Huck Hogan. I

662
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.039
<v Speaker 18>think I shook hands with the Giant once. He wasn't

663
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.880
<v Speaker 18>real friendly, but he'd he just shake your hand and

664
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:48.400
<v Speaker 18>or folk would folk would come.

665
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:49.039
<v Speaker 13>And talk to us.

666
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:56.759
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, he was well basically well then eventually when he

667
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:58.079
<v Speaker 18>went back to Vince there.

668
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:00.599
<v Speaker 13>About eighty three eighty four, he went back to Smakpan.

669
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:04.920
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, Vern was going to give him the title, and

670
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.400
<v Speaker 18>I think in eighty three, but he had a contract

671
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:09.559
<v Speaker 18>with New Japan.

672
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.079
<v Speaker 13>And what he wanted to do was six months with

673
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Speaker 13>New Japan.

674
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.759
<v Speaker 18>Six months was a w a o Vern, but he

675
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:17.720
<v Speaker 18>do He'd be two months here, two months there to

676
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:20.720
<v Speaker 18>Burn said, no, I want you here all the time,

677
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:25.240
<v Speaker 18>and so Vern would, I guess I'm gonna drew. He

678
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:27.039
<v Speaker 18>went out to the ring. He think he was going

679
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.240
<v Speaker 18>to get the championship. Vern told Bobby Heenen to get

680
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:35.200
<v Speaker 18>this qualified. He gets the victory, but he doesn't get

681
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:38.480
<v Speaker 18>the title. Yes, Bobby heen and jumps in Backwinkle is

682
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:43.440
<v Speaker 18>lost by I's got him pinned. But if before the Camprol,

683
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:48.759
<v Speaker 18>it's this qualification, so there's no title, Ship said. Shortly

684
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:53.160
<v Speaker 18>after that, Huck went back to Vince somewhere eighty four.

685
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:56.559
<v Speaker 18>So after that then he was still come here. But

686
00:32:56.680 --> 00:33:00.880
<v Speaker 18>then Vern Vince people would come in here when they

687
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.079
<v Speaker 18>were in town, and then Vern's people for You're.

688
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:06.400
<v Speaker 13>Battling for a few years there, but bit by bit.

689
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.960
<v Speaker 18>Vince kind of Vince kind of ran him out of business.

690
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:14.519
<v Speaker 18>It's like like Jimmy Brunzell, he was the hometown boy.

691
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:19.119
<v Speaker 18>He hired him away from here and then geegue Oakerland

692
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.839
<v Speaker 18>our announcer. Yeah, geene Oakerland was South Dakota and then

693
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:23.200
<v Speaker 18>here in.

694
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:27.039
<v Speaker 13>The Twin Cities he was. Then they hired him Jim Brunzell.

695
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:28.400
<v Speaker 13>Who else.

696
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:38.839
<v Speaker 18>Eventually yeah, Bobby Usia. Yeah, Al yeah, he was sitting right.

697
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:42.359
<v Speaker 18>He was here roughly about ten years ago. He came

698
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.599
<v Speaker 18>in one night for dinner and like John Means, he said,

699
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:46.279
<v Speaker 18>who's that guy?

700
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:46.680
<v Speaker 13>I reckon?

701
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:50.400
<v Speaker 18>He said, that's Al Drusha. He was Wally Carbo's assistant. Yes,

702
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.079
<v Speaker 18>you know, he was like the assistant promoter when Wally

703
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:56.279
<v Speaker 18>Carbo was the promoter. Well, he was in here about

704
00:33:56.319 --> 00:34:00.440
<v Speaker 18>ten years ago and then over the next few years

705
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:02.279
<v Speaker 18>he'd come in every once in a while with his son.

706
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:06.480
<v Speaker 18>Last time I saw him was probably about four years ago.

707
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:07.039
<v Speaker 13>He was here.

708
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:09.440
<v Speaker 18>He was having a real hard time coming out of

709
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:13.000
<v Speaker 18>his chair. But as he walked with everybody, heh shaking

710
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:14.840
<v Speaker 18>his hand out we remember you with the age that

711
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:15.519
<v Speaker 18>we missed you.

712
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:16.159
<v Speaker 5>That right.

713
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.079
<v Speaker 18>He was just feeling so touched that everybody. Oh, We

714
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:20.800
<v Speaker 18>always loved it when you were on wrestling.

715
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.880
<v Speaker 2>I love that and hop about Rod Tongo.

716
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:26.280
<v Speaker 13>He was a KSTP radio.

717
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.159
<v Speaker 18>I never thought, you know, he was always the straight

718
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:32.400
<v Speaker 18>He was always like football and straight stuff and.

719
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:33.880
<v Speaker 12>Then the fixed stuff.

720
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:36.440
<v Speaker 18>But then it's the wrestling fixed stuff. When God needed,

721
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:41.360
<v Speaker 18>when Ghania needed somebody. After Gene Okerland left, Tron Guard

722
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:43.639
<v Speaker 18>was doing some of the stuff for Gania in the

723
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:44.239
<v Speaker 18>mid eighties.

724
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.400
<v Speaker 2>It was yeah, because he was always slid. He wears

725
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 2>sunglasses indoors. Was he like high all the time? Or

726
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:51.000
<v Speaker 2>what Rod tong got?

727
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:53.119
<v Speaker 13>You're not thinking of Marty O'Neil, are you?

728
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:54.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know Marty.

729
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:54.920
<v Speaker 12>Marty.

730
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:59.360
<v Speaker 18>Marty died back in nineteen eighty three. Marty was our

731
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:03.159
<v Speaker 18>announcer back in the fifty sixties and seventies. He lived

732
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:07.880
<v Speaker 18>at eleven eleven Randolph and me. Yeah, he oh, he

733
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:11.960
<v Speaker 18>was mister Saint Paul. He I never did it, but

734
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:13.960
<v Speaker 18>when I was a kid in my twenties, my friends

735
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.320
<v Speaker 18>lived in his neighborhood and he'd see him out having

736
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.400
<v Speaker 18>a beer, sit in his launch here sometimes on a

737
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:21.719
<v Speaker 18>summer day, and if you walk by and said, hey,

738
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.119
<v Speaker 18>Marty a nice guy, he'd sit and he'd talk to

739
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:27.719
<v Speaker 18>you for a few minutes and he's real nice. He

740
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:31.239
<v Speaker 18>was really a baseball announcer. Yes, nineteen forty two to

741
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:34.400
<v Speaker 18>nineteen fifty two, he did ten years with the Saint

742
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:35.679
<v Speaker 18>Paul Saints back when we.

743
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:36.440
<v Speaker 13>Were a farm team.

744
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:37.679
<v Speaker 18>And then.

745
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:43.360
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, I remember some of time. Yeah, it was way

746
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:43.719
<v Speaker 13>back in.

747
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.800
<v Speaker 18>They were giving him a ten year anniversary in fifty two,

748
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:49.039
<v Speaker 18>and I think the late he didn't get to the

749
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:54.840
<v Speaker 18>wrestlinguntil the late fifties. Late, But like he, they had

750
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:57.199
<v Speaker 18>an old announcer named Steve Cannon. He was a big

751
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.599
<v Speaker 18>game announcer CCO.

752
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:00.880
<v Speaker 13>But he died.

753
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.760
<v Speaker 18>He probably died about twenty oh nine, twenty eight. But

754
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.920
<v Speaker 18>in nineteen fifty Steve Tannon was a young booth announcer

755
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:11.119
<v Speaker 18>and Marty was the voice of the Saint Paul Saints.

756
00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:14.360
<v Speaker 18>But back then they didn't have the bunny to send

757
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.840
<v Speaker 18>the announcer on the road trip. What he would do,

758
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:19.639
<v Speaker 18>he'd read the play by play off the ticker tape

759
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:22.559
<v Speaker 18>and he'd he had some sound effects and he'd broadcast

760
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:23.320
<v Speaker 18>it over the radio.

761
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Like he was really interesting. Andre would come in, what

762
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:28.400
<v Speaker 2>do you remember.

763
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:33.039
<v Speaker 18>When he was Oh god, no, he he go into

764
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:37.320
<v Speaker 18>the dining room, okay, and he back. Usually when he

765
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:39.599
<v Speaker 18>was here, the bar was in that middle area, but

766
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:41.800
<v Speaker 18>on this part he was a hereio. It was the

767
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:44.000
<v Speaker 18>middle area he'd passed to, but then he had it

768
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:44.920
<v Speaker 18>for the dining room.

769
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:45.199
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

770
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:47.760
<v Speaker 18>Well, in fact the roots we could only talk to

771
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:51.480
<v Speaker 18>Tim Shoots had Bartender dont the end. He remembers, Oh,

772
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.079
<v Speaker 18>you can tell the story better than I can. Basically,

773
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:57.760
<v Speaker 18>one night Andre was in Heu til four am. He

774
00:36:57.800 --> 00:36:59.000
<v Speaker 18>had twenty six shots.

775
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:02.039
<v Speaker 13>Of booth twenty six with Lucini, had to get somebody

776
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:03.719
<v Speaker 13>to help wheel him into the car.

777
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.000
<v Speaker 18>They got him back to the hotel and they had

778
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.079
<v Speaker 18>to get some of the bust boys at the bill

779
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:10.800
<v Speaker 18>Boys to come and wheel them in.

780
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:14.039
<v Speaker 13>And there's two ladies of the evening waiting for him.

781
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:17.039
<v Speaker 18>And as they got him in, he fell into the

782
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:19.880
<v Speaker 18>bed and I guess Nick man set ladies.

783
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:21.400
<v Speaker 13>I don't think he's going to be any good for you.

784
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Great story, But if you had talked Kim.

785
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.679
<v Speaker 13>Peter that sorr he he knew Bobby.

786
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Heen personally, he's got a great story.

787
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:37.840
<v Speaker 18>I'll try to tell you the story. It's Lockwinkel and Stevens.

788
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:40.639
<v Speaker 18>If you remember Nick Barkinle Ray Stevens.

789
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, they were.

790
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.519
<v Speaker 18>You know, they had lost the tag team title. I

791
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:48.199
<v Speaker 18>can't remember this late seventies, early in that time period.

792
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:50.320
<v Speaker 18>They had lost it, but they were going to fight

793
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:52.639
<v Speaker 18>to get it back. I think they might have been

794
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:58.320
<v Speaker 18>going up against Brunzellen guy. Yeah, and Bobby Heena comes out,

795
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:02.679
<v Speaker 18>We've got a secret that's gonna win the championship. Well,

796
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.800
<v Speaker 18>the thing is, he told Tim how they were always

797
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.400
<v Speaker 18>trying to get Marty O'Neill to crack up on an interview,

798
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:13.360
<v Speaker 18>but they could never get Marty was always just serious. Well,

799
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:16.960
<v Speaker 18>they had this playboy full up and he figured on

800
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.239
<v Speaker 18>the interview Enan was going to show it to him

801
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.360
<v Speaker 18>and get him to crack up. We've got this secret

802
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.079
<v Speaker 18>plan Marty, and we're gonna win the championship.

803
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:27.280
<v Speaker 13>Well, and he opens it up.

804
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:28.800
<v Speaker 18>You can't see it, but he's showing to get the

805
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.239
<v Speaker 18>Marty and Marty said, if you can pull that plan off,

806
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:34.039
<v Speaker 18>I think you're gonna win the championship.

807
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:36.639
<v Speaker 13>But he just did a totally dead pad. He didn't

808
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.599
<v Speaker 13>even get him. But Tim can tell you the story

809
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:41.480
<v Speaker 13>better than what that's basically.

810
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:43.840
<v Speaker 12>Did you ever did vern ever come in?

811
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:44.440
<v Speaker 5>Oh?

812
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:45.920
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, tell me about vern What was he.

813
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:50.400
<v Speaker 18>Like as Custer is, you know, as a guy on

814
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.000
<v Speaker 18>the outside, he was real nice. But I think he

815
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:57.159
<v Speaker 18>if you work for him, he could be a tough boss.

816
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:03.400
<v Speaker 18>But if like me, he got the well. As the

817
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:05.920
<v Speaker 18>years were going on, and my friend Blitz, he was

818
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 18>the guy who just he got to be a friend

819
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:11.480
<v Speaker 18>with Hogan, he got to be a friend. There was

820
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:14.719
<v Speaker 18>a commercial back in oh back in my early sixties,

821
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:18.800
<v Speaker 18>Burned Gania pushed Jerry Speed vitamin with this guy Joe's

822
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:22.159
<v Speaker 18>Weybeck and Marty O'Neal would be in there. When you're

823
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.719
<v Speaker 18>in your drug store tomorrow and the druggist tells you

824
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 18>to try that, you say, uh ah, I want the

825
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.960
<v Speaker 18>real thing. I want Jerrospeed with burn Gania's picture and

826
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:37.119
<v Speaker 18>signature on the label. Well, Marty O'Neal's coming in from

827
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:39.079
<v Speaker 18>the parking lot and Blitz started.

828
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:41.639
<v Speaker 13>He Barrety knew who Blitz was for many years.

829
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:44.199
<v Speaker 18>Blitz was a local boys and he started yelling at

830
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:47.320
<v Speaker 18>the commercial and Marty said, God, this guy knows my

831
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:48.320
<v Speaker 18>commercial better.

832
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:52.880
<v Speaker 13>Than I do. And then we gave it and uh bird,

833
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:53.400
<v Speaker 13>we gave it.

834
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:57.239
<v Speaker 18>To Finally Blitz is sit the Brune, I got to

835
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.199
<v Speaker 18>give you this, and it's uh, ah, you want the

836
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:03.519
<v Speaker 18>real thing burned. And finally Verne got so used to it.

837
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:05.960
<v Speaker 18>Whenever he get out of his car to go into

838
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:09.320
<v Speaker 18>the back door into the auditorium, he'd see Blitz and

839
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.960
<v Speaker 18>the first thing you would do is ah. Then he'd

840
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:15.400
<v Speaker 18>give the commercials and everybody vernoud be sitting there. Ah,

841
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:20.079
<v Speaker 18>you want Jerry Speed with Verne got his pictures. This

842
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:24.079
<v Speaker 18>is the late seventies, early eighties, Horull And do you

843
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:26.360
<v Speaker 18>remember Reggie Lezowski's rusher.

844
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I's most famous athlete.

845
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:31.320
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, I mean they got a statue of him.

846
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:31.840
<v Speaker 12>They sure did.

847
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:34.800
<v Speaker 13>Well. I what the heck was the blitzer?

848
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:37.639
<v Speaker 2>He said, ha ha ha. Then it came up with

849
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:38.199
<v Speaker 2>the sau Speed.

850
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:38.559
<v Speaker 12>Yeah.

851
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:40.360
<v Speaker 13>I'm trying to think of the crushers here. Now what

852
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:40.920
<v Speaker 13>did we call?

853
00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:45.320
<v Speaker 18>I was born September ninth. It was a Tuesday night

854
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:46.159
<v Speaker 18>in eighteen fifty two.

855
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's go to the beginning. Yeah, I'm a little kid.

856
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:52.800
<v Speaker 18>I remember back from the late fifties early sixties, Minneapolis

857
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.039
<v Speaker 18>always had their match on a Tuesday night, and then

858
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:56.960
<v Speaker 18>they'd come over the same carl on a Saturday night.

859
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.239
<v Speaker 18>But I went into the old newspapers nineteen fifty two

860
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.119
<v Speaker 18>and a half. Yea, she was there a match the night.

861
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:05.800
<v Speaker 18>I was sure enough, wow, And I can't remember Hard

862
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:08.920
<v Speaker 18>Boiled Haggard he was on the that but one of

863
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:11.679
<v Speaker 18>the up it was like the result it was for

864
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:16.000
<v Speaker 18>September ninth, nineteen fifty two, young Reggie Lizowski lost the

865
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:22.039
<v Speaker 18>bulldog Danny Plutches. Then a week later, young Reggie Lozowski

866
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.679
<v Speaker 18>lost to Ryan mcclarity. So if we caitched the Crusher

867
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.480
<v Speaker 18>coming out of the Minneapolis Auditorium one night, it's about

868
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:33.079
<v Speaker 18>nineteen eighty. Hey, Crusher, Crusher, September ninth, nineteen fifty two,

869
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:37.360
<v Speaker 18>you lost the bulldog Danny Plutches in fourteen minutes. Then

870
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.719
<v Speaker 18>he says, September sixteenth, you lost to Roy mcclarity in

871
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:41.679
<v Speaker 18>fifteen minutes.

872
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:44.400
<v Speaker 13>Why did you lose, Crusher? And he looks you must

873
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 13>have done deep for that. But then Crusher, why did

874
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:49.360
<v Speaker 13>you lose? And he says, what do you want? I

875
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 13>was only fourteen?

876
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:56.119
<v Speaker 18>Great story, And well, if you see where they signed

877
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:58.599
<v Speaker 18>the chairhouse this sad wall is there a lot of

878
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:02.119
<v Speaker 18>pictures back in oh back in nineteen eighty four, the

879
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:04.480
<v Speaker 18>bar was in that area and the wall wasn't there.

880
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:06.480
<v Speaker 18>There was like a platform with a big booth or

881
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.280
<v Speaker 18>a big cable, a big TV. And we were sitting

882
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.840
<v Speaker 18>about there before this bar was here. We were in

883
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:14.239
<v Speaker 18>that middle area and the pressure. It was the end

884
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.840
<v Speaker 18>of the nineteen forty eight or nineteen eighty four Olympink. Yeah,

885
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:21.280
<v Speaker 18>you just wrestled in downtown Saint Paul. And he came

886
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:23.880
<v Speaker 18>and stood right at our table and we all shook

887
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.840
<v Speaker 18>hands with him, and he watched the end of the

888
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:28.440
<v Speaker 18>credits for about ten minutes with us.

889
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:30.079
<v Speaker 4>That was pretty good.

890
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:31.159
<v Speaker 2>It's really good.

891
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:31.480
<v Speaker 24>Yeah.

892
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:33.840
<v Speaker 13>At the time, I'm in my early thirties, I'm sitting

893
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:34.480
<v Speaker 13>to my god.

894
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Remember when they shot the wrestler with that Asthna playing

895
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:37.360
<v Speaker 2>burn dives.

896
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.119
<v Speaker 13>Oh that was in seventy three. That was a spring

897
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:39.920
<v Speaker 13>Are you around for that?

898
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Seen the movie?

899
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:45.159
<v Speaker 18>Wo They found a lot of that in the local

900
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:48.719
<v Speaker 18>it's the Ray Wilkins Auditorium now, it's the older part

901
00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:50.840
<v Speaker 18>of the Saint Paul Auditorium that it was bled in

902
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.840
<v Speaker 18>the thirties. Okay, fact that well, they had the Civic

903
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:57.760
<v Speaker 18>Center by seventy one, but that was our We still

904
00:42:57.800 --> 00:42:59.840
<v Speaker 18>had a lot of the matches there in the early seventies,

905
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.599
<v Speaker 18>and uh, yeah, they filmed as was on a ring side.

906
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:08.119
<v Speaker 18>We were around that as a lot, and uh we

907
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:10.880
<v Speaker 18>saw where Ray Stevens coons off the top rope and

908
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:14.320
<v Speaker 18>kills jump and Joe's scapillow in the movie. They we

909
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:16.960
<v Speaker 18>sat there when they filmed that scene about six times

910
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.639
<v Speaker 18>where you jump off the scene. That's the particular scene.

911
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:25.119
<v Speaker 18>I think the scene the scene, Oh god, it's the

912
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:29.880
<v Speaker 18>Rhodes and Murdoch kept the fight with the local yeah,

913
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:30.760
<v Speaker 18>up in Maslas.

914
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:32.079
<v Speaker 13>And I didn't, I wasn't.

915
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:33.440
<v Speaker 18>I didn't see that, but I did see it in

916
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.519
<v Speaker 18>the movie. But then mel Jazz was an annun wrestling

917
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:41.559
<v Speaker 18>announcer in the movie. And uh and then maybe Klobasher

918
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:43.280
<v Speaker 18>Jim Klobascher's.

919
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:43.800
<v Speaker 13>Her dad, you know.

920
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:47.440
<v Speaker 18>He was newspaper man, Yes it was. And he used

921
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:50.519
<v Speaker 18>to call the aw a this burn got. He was

922
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:54.320
<v Speaker 18>the champion of the seven disc seven County Mosquito Control

923
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:58.599
<v Speaker 18>District and vern would come out and start yelling at him.

924
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:02.000
<v Speaker 18>We rustled a lot, but I think actually he was

925
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:05.320
<v Speaker 18>getting free publicity. He was cussing out Klobashar. But then

926
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:07.840
<v Speaker 18>Klobehar is in the movie. There he's the one guy that.

927
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Wrestlers were killed in the ring.

928
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:16.079
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, that was that's Amy Klobashar's dad. It's a named

929
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:17.239
<v Speaker 18>newspaper man in Minny.

930
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:22.440
<v Speaker 2>And you didn have a reputation of taking a lot

931
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:23.599
<v Speaker 2>of the wrestler's money.

932
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:30.000
<v Speaker 18>Well, one time, if you remember Larry Hennick, I think

933
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.000
<v Speaker 18>he kind of retired from the ring in the late

934
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:36.880
<v Speaker 18>eighties and he became like a business agent for a

935
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:42.320
<v Speaker 18>local teamsters union. And yeah, and in fact he alc River.

936
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.280
<v Speaker 18>He had a real estate company up in Elk River,

937
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:48.719
<v Speaker 18>Larry Hennick Realty. And but he was at the kelly In.

938
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.800
<v Speaker 18>It's it's the capital allowed now, but he used to

939
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.039
<v Speaker 18>be the kelly In on Race Street, right across from

940
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.239
<v Speaker 18>Minnesota Department of Transportation, right near the capitol.

941
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:00.280
<v Speaker 13>And he pop in sometimes after a business eating with

942
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:01.559
<v Speaker 13>the team shows. He's at the bar.

943
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:02.239
<v Speaker 2>Is that right?

944
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:03.920
<v Speaker 18>One night I got the shake hands with him. He

945
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:06.599
<v Speaker 18>gave me an autograph picture. Wow, one night a guy

946
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:11.400
<v Speaker 18>from my office sitting at the shaking hands. Hey, Larry,

947
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:12.159
<v Speaker 18>what's room gun?

948
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:14.880
<v Speaker 13>You really like that? He tells at a paper like

949
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:15.800
<v Speaker 13>this paper.

950
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:18.920
<v Speaker 18>He pulls out paper and he goes like this, this

951
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:21.880
<v Speaker 18>is your part of the dollar. This is Burne's part

952
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:22.400
<v Speaker 18>of the dollar.

953
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:23.920
<v Speaker 13>He did that right at the bar.

954
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, it looks about would you say that's about ninety,

955
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:28.079
<v Speaker 2>that's about ten.

956
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.039
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, well then I don't know if you remember any Sharky.

957
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:34.480
<v Speaker 18>Any Sharky was a referee in a light heavyweight wrestler.

958
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:35.960
<v Speaker 2>He was the one that went in a shot at

959
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:36.639
<v Speaker 2>Burn's office.

960
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:41.199
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, yeah, and he he went. My friend went up

961
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:43.360
<v Speaker 18>to him one night after during the match. He said, Hey,

962
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.719
<v Speaker 18>is it true what Larry Hennick said about Ghanya? And

963
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:47.400
<v Speaker 18>he said, what are you saying he did that the shark?

964
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:48.719
<v Speaker 18>He said, exactly right.

965
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.360
<v Speaker 2>It's a double confirmation. Do you remember hearing that Sharky story?

966
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 2>He said something to do with vern and his wife

967
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:54.280
<v Speaker 2>or something.

968
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:56.639
<v Speaker 18>I think he went out shooting at his farm. He

969
00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:58.719
<v Speaker 18>had a farm out there, and Wiston handed from Goody.

970
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:00.920
<v Speaker 18>Sounds like he went off and he starts shooting at

971
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:01.360
<v Speaker 18>the barn.

972
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:03.599
<v Speaker 2>At the barn. I never got this barn.

973
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:04.760
<v Speaker 13>I never got to.

974
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.440
<v Speaker 18>I think he wanted had to pack up and go

975
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:11.039
<v Speaker 18>down and work for Kansas City or something for a while,

976
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:12.719
<v Speaker 18>and he didn't want to leave here.

977
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:13.719
<v Speaker 13>Kansas City.

978
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:15.840
<v Speaker 18>You know, he make money, but still it was kind

979
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:19.400
<v Speaker 18>of like a secondary circuit got to some of the guys,

980
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:21.840
<v Speaker 18>so he didn't want to do it, and then they

981
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:23.840
<v Speaker 18>were in a big feud. When I went to I

982
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:26.840
<v Speaker 18>made a sharky in seventy three. I worked out at

983
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:30.119
<v Speaker 18>his gym for buddy year. My friend Jed Carlson did

984
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:31.599
<v Speaker 18>about six months in Kansas City.

985
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:32.159
<v Speaker 12>He gave it.

986
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:33.800
<v Speaker 18>He never made it, but he gave it a shot.

987
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:37.199
<v Speaker 18>But he trained with Jesse Ventura. Yeah, Jesse came in.

988
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:39.599
<v Speaker 18>He was Jimmy Janos at the time before he became

989
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:43.000
<v Speaker 18>and I got to meet him at a match. He

990
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.320
<v Speaker 18>saw my friend Jed at the match one night before

991
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:47.760
<v Speaker 18>he went to Kansas City and I got to meet him.

992
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:50.440
<v Speaker 18>But then he went down to Kansas City. About three

993
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:54.199
<v Speaker 18>months later, Jed tells me, oh, he's now he's Jesse Ventura.

994
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:56.760
<v Speaker 18>And every about a year in Kansas City he goes

995
00:46:56.840 --> 00:46:59.519
<v Speaker 18>up to Seattle and Portland and a few years later

996
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:03.360
<v Speaker 18>he comes brings him in. But I remember meeting him

997
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:04.559
<v Speaker 18>and shaking his hands way back.

998
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:08.039
<v Speaker 12>What did you what did you think about him being governed?

999
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:13.960
<v Speaker 18>Well, I got to kick out of it. I don't know,

1000
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:16.760
<v Speaker 18>I don't know, I don't know what exactly. The I mean,

1001
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.840
<v Speaker 18>things things run, Things just keep running.

1002
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:20.880
<v Speaker 13>Whoever the governor is.

1003
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:24.920
<v Speaker 18>The damnedest thing is he had one person, you know,

1004
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:28.320
<v Speaker 18>like one house of the legislature was Republican, the other

1005
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:29.280
<v Speaker 18>house was Democrat.

1006
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:30.960
<v Speaker 13>I think there was one guy in.

1007
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.639
<v Speaker 18>The whole legislature that supported him. But he wanted But

1008
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:39.159
<v Speaker 18>the thing is, he wanted the light rail, and he said,

1009
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:41.159
<v Speaker 18>well he wanted it, so he got it. Well, he

1010
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:44.280
<v Speaker 18>had to sell both houses at the legislature, both of

1011
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:46.199
<v Speaker 18>them had to vote it in for him to get

1012
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:46.920
<v Speaker 18>the light rail.

1013
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:50.960
<v Speaker 2>But that was only done with pulse that Vin stood

1014
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:51.320
<v Speaker 2>with help.

1015
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.320
<v Speaker 18>Well, you know, I think Hulk got pissed at Vern.

1016
00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:59.199
<v Speaker 18>I think a lot of those promotions like shorts and

1017
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.280
<v Speaker 18>all these outside I had stuff they sold and stuff.

1018
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:04.480
<v Speaker 18>I think Hulk wanted to take it into a new

1019
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:12.800
<v Speaker 18>era in Oh god, I think he was out that way.

1020
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:13.559
<v Speaker 9>I never.

1021
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:17.760
<v Speaker 13>Never did meet her. Oh you know. The damnedest thing

1022
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.880
<v Speaker 13>was it was, oh something.

1023
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:25.280
<v Speaker 18>I when I read the late seventies, they got that

1024
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:29.519
<v Speaker 18>all start wrestling hotline where you could call up and

1025
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:31.960
<v Speaker 18>you know, they give you that both the news of

1026
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:33.679
<v Speaker 18>what happened and what's going to happen next.

1027
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:36.559
<v Speaker 13>Week or the matches for.

1028
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:37.159
<v Speaker 22>The next week.

1029
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.920
<v Speaker 18>Well, we were doing that, and then I used to

1030
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:43.039
<v Speaker 18>go out to Wilson Library at the u M because

1031
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:45.880
<v Speaker 18>newspapers would come in from big cities. And I had

1032
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:50.559
<v Speaker 18>found that Houston newspaper published results, and I think I

1033
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:54.280
<v Speaker 18>had one from San Francisco that published results. They were

1034
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:57.039
<v Speaker 18>like two weeks late, but still I knew something about

1035
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.360
<v Speaker 18>what was going on, and I could show it to

1036
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.360
<v Speaker 18>my friend and he'd show some of it at the

1037
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:04.960
<v Speaker 18>wrestlers outside, and sometimes they'd.

1038
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:05.960
<v Speaker 13>Be, how the hell do you know that?

1039
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:06.519
<v Speaker 18>Really?

1040
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 2>But it was where was it?

1041
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:11.960
<v Speaker 18>One day I got them the Houston newspaper called a

1042
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:15.039
<v Speaker 18>Houston Wrestling Hotline for your latest and sit there. Oh,

1043
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:17.440
<v Speaker 18>if we've had it for a year, I should have

1044
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:20.599
<v Speaker 18>known that other cities would happen. Sure enough, we called

1045
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.960
<v Speaker 18>it long distance. Sure enough, my friend Blitz almost hit

1046
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:27.920
<v Speaker 18>irvrana when he called it. Then we got on directory assistance.

1047
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.800
<v Speaker 18>We had one for Houston, we had one for Kansas City,

1048
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:32.280
<v Speaker 18>we had one for Saint Louis.

1049
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:35.840
<v Speaker 13>We had one for Chicago. As much as Chicago was part.

1050
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.199
<v Speaker 18>Of the AWA, they still had a different They ran

1051
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.239
<v Speaker 18>different matches. Sometimes some of our guys were there, and

1052
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:43.360
<v Speaker 18>some of the other guys were there, and they and

1053
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:45.920
<v Speaker 18>but then Blitz could blow it at them when they

1054
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:49.760
<v Speaker 18>came in here. But then, Gwitz, it's got It's nineteen

1055
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.239
<v Speaker 18>seventy nine. He was calling all these every night after work,

1056
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:55.159
<v Speaker 18>and his girlfriend was ready.

1057
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:56.840
<v Speaker 13>To kill me. The phone bill came for one hundred

1058
00:49:56.840 --> 00:50:02.199
<v Speaker 13>and seventy five balls. Yeah, she you you taught him,

1059
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:03.920
<v Speaker 13>and she started yelling at him.

1060
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:06.280
<v Speaker 18>You're paying every day. Yeah, I'm never paying the foot,

1061
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:09.440
<v Speaker 18>You're paying the floor. One hundred and seventy nine dollars

1062
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:10.719
<v Speaker 18>in nineteen seventy nine.

1063
00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:12.079
<v Speaker 3>Was all out of money, right right?

1064
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:15.320
<v Speaker 2>And about of course from here? Did you know about

1065
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:15.800
<v Speaker 2>him before?

1066
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:18.840
<v Speaker 13>He was on wrestling Gee Up, Follow the Leader with

1067
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:20.920
<v Speaker 13>Gene Leader. He was on the Look teen Leader.

1068
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:22.280
<v Speaker 2>He went by Gene Leader, that's right.

1069
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:24.440
<v Speaker 18>I think he was on shre w d g y

1070
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:27.639
<v Speaker 18>I Play and then well, my boss, one of my bosses,

1071
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:30.519
<v Speaker 18>Kurt Diileen, grew up in South Dakota.

1072
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:33.119
<v Speaker 13>I think he's probably graduated to the high school the

1073
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:36.239
<v Speaker 13>f fifteen nine or sixty there was South Dakota, Okay.

1074
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:37.559
<v Speaker 13>Baron was from Omaha.

1075
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Baron Gene Leader.

1076
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:42.920
<v Speaker 18>I think he was hit a band in South Dakota

1077
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.079
<v Speaker 18>where in Kirk. I knew him in high school, back

1078
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:48.000
<v Speaker 18>in my night and sixties. No, Kurt my boss at

1079
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.960
<v Speaker 18>No because I told him about Oh, I knew him.

1080
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:52.599
<v Speaker 13>He was Gene Leader. He in a band.

1081
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:55.599
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, and then by the mid sixties he was followed

1082
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:57.599
<v Speaker 18>the leader with Gene Leader here.

1083
00:50:57.599 --> 00:50:59.679
<v Speaker 2>On remember him Gene Leader?

1084
00:50:59.800 --> 00:50:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1085
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:05.039
<v Speaker 2>Was he just spending spinning records? Was hedgy. He strikes

1086
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:06.800
<v Speaker 2>me as someone that was always gene no matter where

1087
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:08.559
<v Speaker 2>you meant. He was full gimmick all the time.

1088
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:13.519
<v Speaker 18>Al Do RuSHA though, Alderrusha was like the television producer

1089
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:14.519
<v Speaker 18>of Ballsta Wrestling.

1090
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:15.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1091
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:20.360
<v Speaker 13>And then eventually Bill the System was Carbo's assistant.

1092
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:20.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1093
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.599
<v Speaker 18>And he died suddenly in seventy three. And it's a

1094
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:26.119
<v Speaker 18>few months later they made alder RuSHA part.

1095
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:27.519
<v Speaker 13>Of the In first there was a picture. I don't

1096
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:28.480
<v Speaker 13>have to show you the picture.

1097
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:31.840
<v Speaker 18>It's from about nineteen seventy nine or eighty. It's ald

1098
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.199
<v Speaker 18>Arusha with Wally Carbo and the Crusher.

1099
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:35.039
<v Speaker 12>Oh, I love to see it.

1100
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:35.800
<v Speaker 13>There's a picture.

1101
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what about what about Wally Carbo? He's such an

1102
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:40.199
<v Speaker 2>interesting figure to me. We only see him an.

1103
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:42.400
<v Speaker 18>Older talk about and all the old days of wrestling,

1104
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:44.199
<v Speaker 18>you know, it's everything.

1105
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:50.000
<v Speaker 2>He's sound like a weasel, like well, listen, I can't

1106
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:50.639
<v Speaker 2>figure him out.

1107
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:54.079
<v Speaker 18>He had to play the part, it sounded like. And

1108
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:57.039
<v Speaker 18>a lot of times Verne was really tight with the money.

1109
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:02.079
<v Speaker 18>And lots of times he he Kennis took the fall

1110
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:03.920
<v Speaker 18>from Room because some of the guys would come back

1111
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:06.519
<v Speaker 18>to the dressing room after the match and they were

1112
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:08.639
<v Speaker 18>not making the money that they thought they were getting,

1113
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:11.800
<v Speaker 18>and Run would look at the guys and.

1114
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:18.320
<v Speaker 13>Pat can tell you the story better than I can.

1115
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:20.119
<v Speaker 18>Boot.

1116
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:21.440
<v Speaker 2>I've heard Craig tell it too.

1117
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:22.000
<v Speaker 13>Yeah.

1118
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:24.880
<v Speaker 2>So so Carbo is someone who's doing tight with the money,

1119
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:26.119
<v Speaker 2>and he said, go see Wally.

1120
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:27.559
<v Speaker 13>Is that what I'm.

1121
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.440
<v Speaker 18>Carbo was really the guy and he was really tight

1122
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:34.000
<v Speaker 18>with the money. Yes, but then he the guys were complaining.

1123
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:37.000
<v Speaker 18>Room said I'm going to talk to Wally, and Wally

1124
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.159
<v Speaker 18>would somebody's got to take the heat, and so he

1125
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 18>kind of took found on his sword.

1126
00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:45.039
<v Speaker 13>For I remember being at Sharky's.

1127
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:46.960
<v Speaker 18>Gym when I was still in college, were working out

1128
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:49.480
<v Speaker 18>and some of the guys are start talking about time

1129
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:52.480
<v Speaker 18>along Ganien. I think Sharky are one of those that huh,

1130
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:56.840
<v Speaker 18>it's a partnership. But Brune says jump, and Wally says, how.

1131
00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Far That's what I'm looking for.

1132
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:05.400
<v Speaker 18>Because what Wally Carbo what nineteen thirty four, nineteen thirty

1133
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:09.360
<v Speaker 18>I think he graduated from Delasale High School nineteen thirty three,

1134
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:12.400
<v Speaker 18>and about a year later he's downtown looking for a job.

1135
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:19.079
<v Speaker 18>The Steicher brothers kill, yeah, they're down there, and snicker Steitcher.

1136
00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:21.320
<v Speaker 2>I always say Stecker, but yeah, yeah, and they.

1137
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:24.679
<v Speaker 18>He's looking for a job. That harrim is an office boy,

1138
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:28.039
<v Speaker 18>and apparently he really does a good job. He just

1139
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:32.760
<v Speaker 18>messages runs Aaron's for him. Really doesn't good job at

1140
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:34.280
<v Speaker 18>organizing the office.

1141
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Speaker 13>That they keep him on. I seen some pictures of

1142
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:38.119
<v Speaker 13>him as an out.

1143
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:41.599
<v Speaker 18>Referee around nineteen forty. And one of the brothers died

1144
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.679
<v Speaker 18>in the mid forties, and the other brother made him

1145
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:47.679
<v Speaker 18>a partner. Then the other brother wanted to retire in

1146
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:52.559
<v Speaker 18>fifty five, and then Wally bought the one brother pulls

1147
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.840
<v Speaker 18>the nephew okay, and he bought them out. He became

1148
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.599
<v Speaker 18>he owned it, and then Vern became his partner around

1149
00:53:58.639 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 18>nineteen fifty nine or sixty.

1150
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you remember vern't being the national celebrity of

1151
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:04.039
<v Speaker 2>the Dumont Network. Do you remember watching him?

1152
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:06.159
<v Speaker 13>That was I've heard of it, but that was in

1153
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:08.000
<v Speaker 13>the early fifties. I was just a little kid.

1154
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:11.360
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, I guess they're Red Bass Team popped up somewhere

1155
00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:15.280
<v Speaker 18>there again. Uh wrestled the champ and I guess Red

1156
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:17.800
<v Speaker 18>Bass Team came on as a young guy.

1157
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:19.800
<v Speaker 13>He was younger than Vern. He beep Vern on one

1158
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:23.119
<v Speaker 13>of those matches, I guess, But I the thing was like,

1159
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:25.480
<v Speaker 13>Vern was really good.

1160
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:28.920
<v Speaker 18>But how by nineteen seventy, Vern was like forty five

1161
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 18>years older and Billy Robinson showed up in seventy one,

1162
00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:37.480
<v Speaker 18>and when they matched, they wrestled. If Vern had been

1163
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:39.840
<v Speaker 18>the Veroin of ten years earlier, he could have matched

1164
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:41.199
<v Speaker 18>Billy better, but by.

1165
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:42.159
<v Speaker 13>That time Verne could not.

1166
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:44.760
<v Speaker 18>A couple of times they tell me a couple of

1167
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:49.599
<v Speaker 18>the matches they had out in Wisconsin. Bill Billy is

1168
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.119
<v Speaker 18>just killing him with the holes, and Vern turns heel

1169
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.079
<v Speaker 18>and starts sponging auging him insider, and they start to

1170
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:59.760
<v Speaker 18>you know, Vern Brown, Yeah, but Billy Billy was to me,

1171
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.159
<v Speaker 18>he was the best I ever saw. You know, Reggie

1172
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:07.639
<v Speaker 18>Parks and Doug Gilbert are really well you know, but Billy, Yeah,

1173
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:11.159
<v Speaker 18>tremendous and the one guy that could really counter him.

1174
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:14.760
<v Speaker 2>What a what an amazing talent.

1175
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:17.000
<v Speaker 13>Just you know, he didn't have the fleshy hole.

1176
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:20.199
<v Speaker 18>But when Billy go at him with a hold, Hawkwinkle

1177
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:21.320
<v Speaker 18>could counter could count.

1178
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:24.679
<v Speaker 2>And why do you think Verne loved Backwinkle so much?

1179
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:26.360
<v Speaker 13>He did the job.

1180
00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:29.400
<v Speaker 18>He never he never said that, and I guess he

1181
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:34.679
<v Speaker 18>just did the job. And apparently he didn't, but he

1182
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:37.719
<v Speaker 18>was told and he stayed touch.

1183
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:39.239
<v Speaker 13>He stayed in touch with the guy.

1184
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:41.679
<v Speaker 18>From Houston when he's from the n LAT year he

1185
00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:44.039
<v Speaker 18>was he was defending the a w A title in.

1186
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:47.639
<v Speaker 13>Houston, in Houston, but I say aw got the world champion,

1187
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:48.920
<v Speaker 13>but the a w A champion.

1188
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:50.840
<v Speaker 3>But apparently he was.

1189
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:53.440
<v Speaker 13>Oh how he.

1190
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:55.239
<v Speaker 15>Ver?

1191
00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:59.320
<v Speaker 18>It sounds like Burn could lose his temper. And one

1192
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:03.039
<v Speaker 18>time Blitz was talking to a guy that knew Nick

1193
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:06.760
<v Speaker 18>pretty well. And this guy was doing some work and

1194
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:11.400
<v Speaker 18>he Vern got yelled at him, and he talked to Blitz,

1195
00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:15.119
<v Speaker 18>talked to him, and Blitz said, Nick told him Vern

1196
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:17.480
<v Speaker 18>blowing us up with everybody sometimes is the only two

1197
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:19.960
<v Speaker 18>guys I know what he's ever blown up on is

1198
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.920
<v Speaker 18>myself and Blackjack Lamza is that right?

1199
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:26.760
<v Speaker 2>In fact him call people dumbass and yell him on ship.

1200
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:30.880
<v Speaker 18>It sounds like when Pulk decided to break up and

1201
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:35.480
<v Speaker 18>go back to back to the East Coast. Apparently they

1202
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.639
<v Speaker 18>got into an argument in the office and Vern was

1203
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:42.119
<v Speaker 18>going to show Hulk something about amateur wrestling. Well Hulk

1204
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:45.280
<v Speaker 18>was too big and Vern was too and Halk just

1205
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:49.480
<v Speaker 18>put him down and held him and apparently finally Vern

1206
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.599
<v Speaker 18>was screaming to get up, and a couple of the wrestlers.

1207
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh, come on, Hulk, really.

1208
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:56.599
<v Speaker 18>I don't know if they I don't think they they cucked.

1209
00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:59.320
<v Speaker 18>You know, you proved your point. And shortly after that,

1210
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:02.559
<v Speaker 18>Hulk was scheduled for a match here and.

1211
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:05.239
<v Speaker 13>Uh, I think.

1212
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:07.039
<v Speaker 18>Dude.

1213
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:11.000
<v Speaker 13>A thunderstorm and Florida Hulk.

1214
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:13.960
<v Speaker 18>Hogan's plane has been grounded, and here comes the Baron

1215
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:17.360
<v Speaker 18>van Rashki, who was popular, but everybody wanted to see

1216
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:19.719
<v Speaker 18>the Hulk, So everybody was pissed when the Baron came.

1217
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:22.119
<v Speaker 2>And that wasn't even true. Hulk had already gone in

1218
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:22.840
<v Speaker 2>New York.

1219
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.400
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, they always give you some kind of a bullshit.

1220
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, we were waiting for him.

1221
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:28.280
<v Speaker 13>To bring out Bolinsky.

1222
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:31.559
<v Speaker 18>If you remember Bolinski because he was they won his

1223
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:34.519
<v Speaker 18>bull Bolinski both we've always big here.

1224
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:37.440
<v Speaker 13>Early in the mid seventies. His real name was Frank Shields.

1225
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.719
<v Speaker 18>Only about five six five seventies, but he had a

1226
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:44.039
<v Speaker 18>big thing barrel got Yeah. He teamed up with Prusher

1227
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:47.280
<v Speaker 18>and Bruiser, so he was a truck driver. We'll come

1228
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:48.880
<v Speaker 18>out with his court Hong Kong.

1229
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:52.119
<v Speaker 2>Remember Rockinghall bs the Oh.

1230
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.119
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, he went to jail. He was in the van.

1231
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:58.239
<v Speaker 13>I guess he was out with the He tried to

1232
00:57:58.280 --> 00:57:59.000
<v Speaker 13>say I thought she.

1233
00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Was eighteen, but I think it's his daughter, for God's sake.

1234
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.960
<v Speaker 18>So Jimmy Brunzell was here about ten years ago for

1235
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:07.519
<v Speaker 18>three hours. He signed his book. Did you see his biography?

1236
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:07.880
<v Speaker 5>I have?

1237
00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:09.400
<v Speaker 13>I have, Yeah, he was here.

1238
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:10.320
<v Speaker 24>I got the leaf of him.

1239
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:12.079
<v Speaker 13>He's here for about three hours.

1240
00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:13.880
<v Speaker 2>And super fan. Would you go on Christmas Night?

1241
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:15.079
<v Speaker 13>Christmas?

1242
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:17.159
<v Speaker 2>They used to have Christmas night shows at the Senate.

1243
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:21.639
<v Speaker 13>Right, Oh yeah, I think they hit Turky Day. Yeah,

1244
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:23.599
<v Speaker 13>and I think they did. I remember being.

1245
00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:27.400
<v Speaker 18>I could have been in a Christmas night and I

1246
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:29.599
<v Speaker 18>remember being at one that was almost Christmas.

1247
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, hey, before we go, hen show us the pictures.

1248
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:35.480
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, if you don't mind Meltzer. Have you ever heard

1249
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:40.320
<v Speaker 18>of Meltzer? The guy from him he's from California because

1250
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:43.400
<v Speaker 18>he's still doing his newsletter. Yes, my friend Blitz.

1251
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Only online though you can't get the public.

1252
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:47.800
<v Speaker 18>Well, my friend Steve Blitz used to be in contact

1253
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.880
<v Speaker 18>with him, and Blitz died suddenly back in two thousand

1254
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:54.960
<v Speaker 18>and one, and Blitz he did he'd give it to

1255
00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:58.960
<v Speaker 18>all the wrestlers when me Blitz, yeah, yeah.

1256
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:01.280
<v Speaker 13>One time we're tell was that Rick Martel came in

1257
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:02.920
<v Speaker 13>and Blitz is sitting there.

1258
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:07.079
<v Speaker 18>Hey, Rick, last week you were in Toronto, Montreal and Detroit.

1259
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.440
<v Speaker 18>Next week you're gonna be and Sue falls Ola Hall

1260
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:12.880
<v Speaker 18>and and Martelle.

1261
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:15.039
<v Speaker 13>Looks at the guy. He knows my schedule better than

1262
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:17.920
<v Speaker 13>I do. A nineteen ninety.

1263
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:20.360
<v Speaker 18>Nine Sure out in front of the Capitol. We had

1264
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:23.599
<v Speaker 18>to taste of Minnesota back then. Sure, and Krusher or

1265
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:26.559
<v Speaker 18>not mad Dog and his brother Paul the Butcher Vershan. Yes,

1266
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:30.760
<v Speaker 18>we're there, and I got a picture with him and

1267
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:34.039
<v Speaker 18>Butcher Vershan is sitting there kind of humming some songs

1268
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:34.679
<v Speaker 18>in the background.

1269
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:37.639
<v Speaker 13>I guess he loved the old Broadway musicals. Really, but

1270
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:39.519
<v Speaker 13>I got a picture of him with me.

1271
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:42.440
<v Speaker 18>But then I brought Blitz later and the next day

1272
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:45.320
<v Speaker 18>Blitz comes back to mad Dog got a mad Dog

1273
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:48.199
<v Speaker 18>and he goes on. Then he wrestled him in sixty

1274
00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:50.800
<v Speaker 18>three and he wrestled him and after half an hour,

1275
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.119
<v Speaker 18>mad Dog says, this guy knows my career better.

1276
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:54.719
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like it.

1277
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:59.119
<v Speaker 26>I believe it, and Blitz Paul used to Hogan used

1278
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:03.239
<v Speaker 26>to call Blitz hall, let's see the Maniac and he'd

1279
01:00:03.320 --> 01:00:04.880
<v Speaker 26>give him a couple of times.

1280
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:07.400
<v Speaker 18>He'd call him up at the hotel and he'd be

1281
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:09.800
<v Speaker 18>on there, it's blit, oh, Blotsy, how are you? And

1282
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:13.400
<v Speaker 18>I'd be listening in and Hogan would be going on

1283
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:15.599
<v Speaker 18>but see the Maniac.

1284
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:16.760
<v Speaker 2>And uh uh.

1285
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:19.880
<v Speaker 18>One night Hogan was supposed to come back to the

1286
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:24.920
<v Speaker 18>hotel in Bloomington. V went somewhere else, but most of

1287
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:26.960
<v Speaker 18>the soul who's got Jimmy Harder correct.

1288
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:30.800
<v Speaker 3>He came in, he saw Bloody says, yeah, Al really

1289
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:31.199
<v Speaker 3>likes you.

1290
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:31.480
<v Speaker 9>Come on.

1291
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:33.239
<v Speaker 13>He he got to have dinner with Jimmy Hart.

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01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:33.719
<v Speaker 5>Oh.

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01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:36.400
<v Speaker 13>So, Greg Army was in here about a year.

1294
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:39.559
<v Speaker 18>Ago looking at pictures, and I introduced myself and who

1295
01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:41.000
<v Speaker 18>shook hands and talked for a while.

1296
01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:41.920
<v Speaker 2>That's person.

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01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:46.079
<v Speaker 18>And well, oh well the Baron. Baron was here last

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01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:50.199
<v Speaker 18>October when I got to see him. Wow, yeah, he's

1299
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:51.199
<v Speaker 18>I think he's eighty six.

1300
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, freaking arty.

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01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:56.960
<v Speaker 13>He says that Johnson Kim Petteria comes in. But Kim's

1302
01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:57.880
<v Speaker 13>outing very good health.

1303
01:00:58.000 --> 01:00:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he had a health scare. Yeah, yeah, he's in.

1304
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:03.679
<v Speaker 1>He's a LAPTNG wrestling podcast.

1305
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Craig ganya here of the Ganda Dynasty. And I got

1306
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:10.079
<v Speaker 2>to tell you right off the gate. We started our

1307
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:12.800
<v Speaker 2>trip to Minneapolis going to Lake Minnetonka. We went to

1308
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:16.119
<v Speaker 2>the house on Friday morning, yep. And what evocative place

1309
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:18.480
<v Speaker 2>we wonder? Do you ever go back there? Is it

1310
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:20.639
<v Speaker 2>a painful memory that it's there but not his.

1311
01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:23.320
<v Speaker 27>Well, it's it's pretty painful, is it.

1312
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:25.840
<v Speaker 10>It put my mom and my dad in the grave?

1313
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:29.239
<v Speaker 2>She said, yeah, they that's heavy.

1314
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:29.760
<v Speaker 5>He had it.

1315
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.599
<v Speaker 27>He had it all set up to develop it at

1316
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:34.800
<v Speaker 27>three acre lots all the way down behind it. It

1317
01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:37.199
<v Speaker 27>was fifty two acres and eighteen hundred feet of lake

1318
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:40.079
<v Speaker 27>show beautiful, and he had a barn and a sports

1319
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:44.239
<v Speaker 27>yourself there and the two guys here in town of

1320
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:46.960
<v Speaker 27>Jim Klobacher's a newspaper.

1321
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Writer yep, Amy Klobacher's dad.

1322
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:51.199
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, and Harvey McKay.

1323
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:54.920
<v Speaker 27>They told my dad that he should have a party

1324
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:59.079
<v Speaker 27>for the for the people in government from Minnesota. So

1325
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:03.960
<v Speaker 27>my dad three party for him. My sister heard the

1326
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:06.039
<v Speaker 27>two of them, Clobshire and.

1327
01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:09.360
<v Speaker 1>The other the other guy.

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01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:10.760
<v Speaker 2>I forgot to McKay, Mick.

1329
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:14.639
<v Speaker 27>McKay, Harvey McKay saying nobody should have this much property.

1330
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Nobody should have this much property. Where do they get

1331
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:18.159
<v Speaker 2>off saying that?

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01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:18.920
<v Speaker 11>I don't understand.

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01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:21.119
<v Speaker 27>They said it, and they were jealous, and then three

1334
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.239
<v Speaker 27>days later they came in and condemned the.

1335
01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:27.519
<v Speaker 2>Property, condemned it. Yeah, well, they negotiated with vern right,

1336
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:28.280
<v Speaker 2>they paid him for it.

1337
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:29.639
<v Speaker 13>Three years.

1338
01:02:29.719 --> 01:02:32.519
<v Speaker 27>He fought it and when he got out of it,

1339
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:33.719
<v Speaker 27>there wasn't much left.

1340
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you think your dad thought he would win that

1341
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:37.400
<v Speaker 2>fight or was he just fighting to fight?

1342
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:38.760
<v Speaker 7>Well, he was fighting a fight.

1343
01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:39.679
<v Speaker 10>He thought he could win it.

1344
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:42.679
<v Speaker 27>I mean, it's an Indian burial grounds up on the hills,

1345
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:46.119
<v Speaker 27>so yeah, you know, so he wasn't developing that part

1346
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:46.320
<v Speaker 27>of it.

1347
01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:48.719
<v Speaker 10>They took it.

1348
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:51.039
<v Speaker 2>They took it. We remember seeing the House and the

1349
01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:53.519
<v Speaker 2>Wrestler nineteen seventy four of the movie Yep. And there's

1350
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:55.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot of scenes in there. Jae, my colleague here

1351
01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:58.039
<v Speaker 2>was wondering as we walked on the inside, like if

1352
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.079
<v Speaker 2>we could remember, imagine what are those scenes took place?

1353
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Did you have a question some of them?

1354
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:05.000
<v Speaker 12>I mean, because we were fortunate to go in to

1355
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:05.719
<v Speaker 12>the house.

1356
01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:09.840
<v Speaker 27>My house here, when you walked in there was a fireplace.

1357
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:11.599
<v Speaker 10>Yes, and they got out about like this.

1358
01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:15.079
<v Speaker 27>Yeah, it was six feet he had us and we

1359
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:17.599
<v Speaker 27>were training. We had to cut logs six feet long

1360
01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:18.880
<v Speaker 27>and he could walk in and put.

1361
01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Them into them, walk right into the That doesn't look

1362
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:22.920
<v Speaker 2>like that right now they.

1363
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:23.880
<v Speaker 12>Destroyed, did they?

1364
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:27.480
<v Speaker 16>They still got like the It looked like it was

1365
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:29.920
<v Speaker 16>a sitting area with a fireplace that looked like it

1366
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:33.440
<v Speaker 16>had one of those kind of period not at the time,

1367
01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:37.039
<v Speaker 16>but the sunken floors where you could kind of sit

1368
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:38.480
<v Speaker 16>around with the fireplace and stuff.

1369
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:40.480
<v Speaker 12>Just based on that and said gorgeous.

1370
01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:42.760
<v Speaker 10>In the Lord and it was beautiful.

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01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:47.320
<v Speaker 27>But like I said, you know, but it was it

1372
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:49.440
<v Speaker 27>was a bad deal for the whole family. We had

1373
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:51.519
<v Speaker 27>a lot right next door to three acres.

1374
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:52.679
<v Speaker 10>There were three acre.

1375
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Lots on the lake, okay, and my wife at that time,

1376
01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:57.599
<v Speaker 2>our kids were.

1377
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:00.400
<v Speaker 10>Just going to starting to school and would have been a.

1378
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:03.320
<v Speaker 27>Long drive for him, and she wouldn't move off really,

1379
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:06.199
<v Speaker 27>so we did. We had the plans set up there.

1380
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:08.159
<v Speaker 27>Had the wet had started going, it might have made

1381
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:12.360
<v Speaker 27>it a little more difficult for him. You know, eminent domain,

1382
01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:13.320
<v Speaker 27>they can do what they want.

1383
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, when you first walk in, now they had the

1384
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:18.599
<v Speaker 2>office and everything. But when you would have first walked in,

1385
01:04:18.719 --> 01:04:20.119
<v Speaker 2>when when your dad lived there and you lived there,

1386
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:20.760
<v Speaker 2>what would you have seen?

1387
01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:20.800
<v Speaker 15>It?

1388
01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Was it a living walk in you.

1389
01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:25.119
<v Speaker 27>Look to the right, that's you could see that living

1390
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:27.360
<v Speaker 27>room area and that was the big fireplace.

1391
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:28.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I understand.

1392
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:31.119
<v Speaker 27>Then he had a he had an office upstairs, and

1393
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:33.880
<v Speaker 27>the bedrooms upstairs and bedan stacks steps.

1394
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:39.360
<v Speaker 14>So wow, that's quite what about the wrestler the movie

1395
01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:42.559
<v Speaker 14>did about the movie? So I find the movie fascinating.

1396
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:46.079
<v Speaker 14>I find the making of it absolutely fascinating. But the

1397
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:48.000
<v Speaker 14>one guy, I mean, I know, he was a he

1398
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:49.960
<v Speaker 14>was a vaudeville guy and kind of did a bunch

1399
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:53.599
<v Speaker 14>of stuff in Ohio. The writer Eugene Gump, Do you

1400
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:56.199
<v Speaker 14>have any recollection of him, like your dad working with

1401
01:04:56.320 --> 01:04:57.599
<v Speaker 14>him on creating.

1402
01:04:57.320 --> 01:04:58.559
<v Speaker 12>The script for the movie.

1403
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:01.599
<v Speaker 14>You know, I know, remember that name, no worries it

1404
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:03.960
<v Speaker 14>all Listen, that's the only movie you ever wrote. So

1405
01:05:04.119 --> 01:05:05.599
<v Speaker 14>I'm like, I'm just curious.

1406
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:07.320
<v Speaker 10>Like remember the names.

1407
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:11.280
<v Speaker 27>Uh, you know he had in there with him and

1408
01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:14.199
<v Speaker 27>sure you know ed him became really good buddy.

1409
01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:17.239
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, there were a lot of fun begin There.

1410
01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:20.360
<v Speaker 14>Was a there was a funny article years later in

1411
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:23.159
<v Speaker 14>San Francisco where I think it was you and your

1412
01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:26.360
<v Speaker 14>dad and Hulk were all kind of They were You're

1413
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:28.519
<v Speaker 14>in San Francisco and you get spotted with that assner

1414
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:30.280
<v Speaker 14>in like at a newstand or something like that, and

1415
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:30.800
<v Speaker 14>you're walking.

1416
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's a great it's a great Yeah, it's so funny.

1417
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:36.280
<v Speaker 7>Ed was he was just a regular guy.

1418
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:38.000
<v Speaker 10>He was really a good guy. Yeah.

1419
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:41.239
<v Speaker 2>The barn in Chanhassen where Casro and everyone got trained,

1420
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:41.880
<v Speaker 2>is that gone?

1421
01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:43.280
<v Speaker 10>We all trained there?

1422
01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:45.360
<v Speaker 27>No, I don't know if it's still there because he

1423
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:48.159
<v Speaker 27>sold that property in that but the other property, yeah,

1424
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:54.159
<v Speaker 27>it was two stories. The upstairs was uh of the

1425
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:57.280
<v Speaker 27>barn was it was an old barn. There was a haylost.

1426
01:05:57.679 --> 01:06:00.280
<v Speaker 27>They had no hand in it, and it had a

1427
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:02.920
<v Speaker 27>ring set up and that's a big train. Windows there

1428
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:03.639
<v Speaker 27>was no windows.

1429
01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:04.639
<v Speaker 7>There was windows, but no.

1430
01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:08.239
<v Speaker 27>Glass and then downstairs it's where the horses were, and

1431
01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:10.960
<v Speaker 27>then there there was a corral out there that they

1432
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:11.280
<v Speaker 27>had that.

1433
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:12.400
<v Speaker 10>All the manure was in.

1434
01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:15.679
<v Speaker 27>We convinced Rick Claire when we were training that the

1435
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:17.559
<v Speaker 27>only way you're going to make it through this thing is,

1436
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:19.559
<v Speaker 27>you know, at the end, we have to dive out

1437
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:21.360
<v Speaker 27>that window and land in the manure.

1438
01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:23.199
<v Speaker 7>Flaire quit.

1439
01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:26.360
<v Speaker 2>His as got him back.

1440
01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:29.719
<v Speaker 27>I can't do it the last day, versts what what

1441
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:30.559
<v Speaker 27>is wrong with you?

1442
01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:30.960
<v Speaker 10>Flaire?

1443
01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:31.639
<v Speaker 27>I can't do it.

1444
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:32.280
<v Speaker 13>I can't do it.

1445
01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:33.320
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean you can't do it?

1446
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:35.840
<v Speaker 27>You got all this great training, you're you're ready to go.

1447
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:39.440
<v Speaker 27>I can't dive out that window. Dive out the window

1448
01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:43.239
<v Speaker 27>and they looked over us and then he went along

1449
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:44.719
<v Speaker 27>with it. Well, you might have to ring.

1450
01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:47.639
<v Speaker 2>That's amazing with that crew of guys. You know, Verne

1451
01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:50.159
<v Speaker 2>had the arrangement where he got he broke you in

1452
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:52.920
<v Speaker 2>and then he got a percentage. Some guys have talked about, yeah,

1453
01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I want what about that? You got ninety percent? Went right?

1454
01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:59.559
<v Speaker 2>He got nothing? Really nothing? Oh, I've heard that a

1455
01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:00.440
<v Speaker 2>few times. I don't know if I.

1456
01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:02.880
<v Speaker 27>Don't know, you get it. There's a lot of bullshit

1457
01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:06.280
<v Speaker 27>and professional you're not getting this, but that's true.

1458
01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:09.280
<v Speaker 7>And no, he never took any money from anybody.

1459
01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:09.960
<v Speaker 2>He didn't know.

1460
01:07:10.559 --> 01:07:14.400
<v Speaker 27>He trained one hundred and forty four wrestlers and maybe

1461
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:16.119
<v Speaker 27>two percent then make it the main.

1462
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:16.679
<v Speaker 12>Event of them.

1463
01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:19.079
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, nobody trained more than that.

1464
01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:24.039
<v Speaker 27>The other ones were Stu Hart and he trained a

1465
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:26.599
<v Speaker 27>lot of people did and it was a tough camp.

1466
01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:29.360
<v Speaker 27>Burns was tough. We were six hours a day, six

1467
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:35.239
<v Speaker 27>days a week, and we went from end of September until.

1468
01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:36.760
<v Speaker 7>March.

1469
01:07:37.639 --> 01:07:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Did Verne want you to have the belt the world

1470
01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:41.320
<v Speaker 2>title at any point?

1471
01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:43.199
<v Speaker 27>If you would, if I'd have had it.

1472
01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:46.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, I heard you say you didn't think it was

1473
01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:48.880
<v Speaker 2>like the best fit. No, why didn't he want you

1474
01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:49.159
<v Speaker 2>to have it?

1475
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:50.760
<v Speaker 13>Did think you think that any ideas?

1476
01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:53.239
<v Speaker 27>No, No, I think because it was his son and

1477
01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:57.400
<v Speaker 27>people you know, oh you only got that, you know,

1478
01:07:57.559 --> 01:07:58.559
<v Speaker 27>because he's the son.

1479
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:01.079
<v Speaker 7>But it didn't bother me.

1480
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:04.159
<v Speaker 27>No, Jim and I were a good tag team and

1481
01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:11.039
<v Speaker 27>you know, uh, we had elevated pretty quick. He usually

1482
01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:12.920
<v Speaker 27>it took guys five to ten years to make it.

1483
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:15.159
<v Speaker 27>But he came out of Urns camp.

1484
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:15.920
<v Speaker 10>You were ready to go.

1485
01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:19.399
<v Speaker 2>He made sure last subject to ask you about, is

1486
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:22.439
<v Speaker 2>this whole Cogan. He came in season on Toba. What

1487
01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:24.800
<v Speaker 2>did Vernon you do to Halk? I mean to get

1488
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:25.880
<v Speaker 2>him for hawk Ship.

1489
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:32.319
<v Speaker 27>We made Hulk Hogan. I was wrestling and Madison Square

1490
01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:36.760
<v Speaker 27>Garden and Hulk was on the cart. I don't know

1491
01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:40.119
<v Speaker 27>if it's Shafe Stadium. You're on that show Madison Square Garden.

1492
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:43.119
<v Speaker 27>He came in the locker room after his match and

1493
01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:46.079
<v Speaker 27>he was almost in tears, and so, what's the matter,

1494
01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:46.479
<v Speaker 27>big man?

1495
01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:47.600
<v Speaker 10>I can't make it?

1496
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:49.399
<v Speaker 1>And I said, you can't make it.

1497
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:51.119
<v Speaker 2>He was working with Andre. He was a big time

1498
01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:55.560
<v Speaker 2>deal that when we met. When I was a well

1499
01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Shae Stadium he wrestled.

1500
01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.239
<v Speaker 27>Him, but he it wasn't Schaf Stadium. This was in

1501
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:03.720
<v Speaker 27>Madison Square Garden and the match he had earlier or

1502
01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:05.840
<v Speaker 27>after me, and he came in and he.

1503
01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:07.479
<v Speaker 1>Said, I said, what's the matter.

1504
01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:08.680
<v Speaker 10>He said, I can't make it?

1505
01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:09.880
<v Speaker 27>And I said, well, don't you come to the a

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01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:15.439
<v Speaker 27>w A you learn how your teacher ken? Hey you

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01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:17.199
<v Speaker 27>think I said, well yeah, and I said, tell me

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01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:19.880
<v Speaker 27>born about it. So I told my dad about it

1509
01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:23.039
<v Speaker 27>and I said he's gonna call yet. About a month

1510
01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:24.920
<v Speaker 27>later and said, I haven't heard any from this guy

1511
01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:27.960
<v Speaker 27>who is he, I said, well, he's got big potential.

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01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:32.600
<v Speaker 27>And uh, finally three months later he came in and

1513
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:37.199
<v Speaker 27>called and brought him in. And what they did They

1514
01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:39.600
<v Speaker 27>put him in six man tag team matches with Jim

1515
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:40.960
<v Speaker 27>and I so.

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01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:42.279
<v Speaker 10>He could learn it.

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01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:44.399
<v Speaker 2>Jerry welled it and.

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01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:47.039
<v Speaker 27>We only would get him in the ring when it

1519
01:09:47.600 --> 01:09:48.279
<v Speaker 27>when he would.

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01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:51.159
<v Speaker 2>Look good, right, the right moment, Yeah, the right moment.

1521
01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Seemed like Jerry Blackwell did a lot for him too,

1522
01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:54.960
<v Speaker 2>going up for those slams in the beginning when he

1523
01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:57.000
<v Speaker 2>first turned baby because he came in as a hill

1524
01:09:58.239 --> 01:09:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Hogan did.

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01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:02.119
<v Speaker 27>Yeah, not really, not really once once he came once

1526
01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:06.439
<v Speaker 27>he my dad heard the people and how they accepted him, said.

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01:10:07.880 --> 01:10:11.000
<v Speaker 10>He was he was in the wrong role, wrong role.

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01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's great for him to notice that, because Vince

1529
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Senior never turned a baby face. What do you think

1530
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:15.479
<v Speaker 2>it was?

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01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:19.439
<v Speaker 27>He didn't know, you know, No, Vince never trained anybody.

1532
01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:21.720
<v Speaker 12>I see what you mean. You know, he didn't know

1533
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:22.960
<v Speaker 12>how to handle talent.

1534
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:24.039
<v Speaker 18>You know.

1535
01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:28.720
<v Speaker 27>Uh, if you ever watched the Madison Square Garden card,

1536
01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:35.600
<v Speaker 27>there was only a few really good guys. Maybe the

1537
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:39.159
<v Speaker 27>last two matches were really talented guys. The work right

1538
01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:42.960
<v Speaker 27>from the from the opening match to the end.

1539
01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:45.399
<v Speaker 7>They were all good, top talent.

1540
01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Why why did hulcan your dad have that skirmish where

1541
01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:51.039
<v Speaker 2>they were like, what is what started about?

1542
01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:51.479
<v Speaker 12>Sish?

1543
01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:57.760
<v Speaker 27>No, Hogan didn't win the title in uh just before Christmas,

1544
01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:05.359
<v Speaker 27>and he was all pissed off about it. And April

1545
01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:07.239
<v Speaker 27>was a huge month for the AWA.

1546
01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:09.880
<v Speaker 10>So we're going to have a return match with me.

1547
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Brock winkled.

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01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.680
<v Speaker 10>Then hope you might have won the title then, I see.

1549
01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:16.560
<v Speaker 27>But he wanted it so bad and Vince promised me

1550
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:19.560
<v Speaker 27>and get it. And for Vince to succeed and get

1551
01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:22.920
<v Speaker 27>start getting the territories torn apart, he needed a guy

1552
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:23.479
<v Speaker 27>like Colgan.

1553
01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Of course he did.

1554
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.119
<v Speaker 27>Hogan left and once he left, they all started going.

1555
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:30.279
<v Speaker 27>He hit the aw a harder than anybody because we

1556
01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:31.039
<v Speaker 27>had all the talent.

1557
01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, unbelievable. So the whole crux of it,

1558
01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:37.079
<v Speaker 2>that's the whole story there, boy. Sorry, last one, CBS,

1559
01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:40.399
<v Speaker 2>Andre Hogan, you said you were negotiating to have Andrea

1560
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:42.640
<v Speaker 2>and Hogan on CBS at one point. Am I remembering

1561
01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:42.920
<v Speaker 2>that right?

1562
01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:43.159
<v Speaker 12>Or on?

1563
01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:44.479
<v Speaker 2>Do remember that? Okay?

1564
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:45.720
<v Speaker 10>I never heard of that.

1565
01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:48.399
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, you thought at some point you thought you

1566
01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:50.239
<v Speaker 2>might be able to get helped back after he went

1567
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:52.760
<v Speaker 2>to Vince Junior. No he long gone, No, he was

1568
01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:53.279
<v Speaker 2>long gone.

1569
01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:54.159
<v Speaker 27>Oh it was.

1570
01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:54.840
<v Speaker 10>It was done.

1571
01:11:55.279 --> 01:11:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Real pleasure, great, Thank you so much for the time.

1572
01:11:58.039 --> 01:11:58.800
<v Speaker 12>Pleasure so much.

1573
01:11:58.840 --> 01:11:59.800
<v Speaker 4>Send me a check right.

1574
01:12:05.359 --> 01:12:08.720
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, He's fan.

1575
01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:22.119
<v Speaker 25>Wrestling podcast with Jack and and jpso a La fan

1576
01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:23.359
<v Speaker 25>wrestling podcast.

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01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:25.239
<v Speaker 2>All right, folks, if you can believe it, we are

1578
01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:27.960
<v Speaker 2>on the hollowed grounds. Boss. When we pulled into that

1579
01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:33.159
<v Speaker 2>parking lot and saw the exterior memories of the wrestler nineteen, it.

1580
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:34.680
<v Speaker 12>Was like we're watching the wrestler again.

1581
01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:37.159
<v Speaker 2>I could see Burne coming out and greeting us in

1582
01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:38.079
<v Speaker 2>a card again, you know.

1583
01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:40.479
<v Speaker 12>Come on in, come on in, Hey everybody, how are

1584
01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:40.760
<v Speaker 12>you doing?

1585
01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:41.560
<v Speaker 28>Lamb chopped up?

1586
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:44.119
<v Speaker 12>That's right? Oh man, So we are here. Mary's got

1587
01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:44.640
<v Speaker 12>the grill going.

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01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:47.439
<v Speaker 2>We are so fortunate that that Zach from the three

1589
01:12:47.439 --> 01:12:50.359
<v Speaker 2>of US Park District deemed us worthy of a tour today.

1590
01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:52.319
<v Speaker 12>So we're going to not only.

1591
01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Just ogel at the outside of the building, we're going

1592
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:57.199
<v Speaker 2>to see what it became and understand the history of

1593
01:12:57.279 --> 01:13:00.560
<v Speaker 2>how this became a public amenity and how that intersects

1594
01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:02.199
<v Speaker 2>with Verne Zach. Thank you so much.

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01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:03.880
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, my pleasure. Are glad to be a part of this.

1596
01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:06.199
<v Speaker 10>So welcome to the Ganha House.

1597
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:08.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm your house. Well, you were telling us that, you know,

1598
01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:11.039
<v Speaker 2>you do a lot of historical talks, but very rarely

1599
01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:13.760
<v Speaker 2>do people want to talk a lot about vern Yes, what.

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01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:16.840
<v Speaker 28>Is the broad sweep of the public interest?

1601
01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:19.279
<v Speaker 29>What do you usually talk about about this site?

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01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:21.399
<v Speaker 10>Well, it's sort of a mix, right, So, I mean

1603
01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:24.840
<v Speaker 10>you guys know this like with wrestling, where sometimes you

1604
01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:26.560
<v Speaker 10>talk to people and you're like okay, and then wrestling

1605
01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:27.840
<v Speaker 10>and they're like okay, whatever.

1606
01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:28.800
<v Speaker 2>But Zach's a fan.

1607
01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:29.720
<v Speaker 12>I'm a fan.

1608
01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:30.239
<v Speaker 10>I'm wrestling.

1609
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:31.960
<v Speaker 14>I used to be a tour guide in Madison Square

1610
01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:34.439
<v Speaker 14>Garden and I had to pick and choose kind of

1611
01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:36.159
<v Speaker 14>when you're talking about wrestling. If I knew there were

1612
01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:38.079
<v Speaker 14>fans in there, I would talk a little more about it.

1613
01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:40.000
<v Speaker 14>But then all at times it's like just skip it

1614
01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:41.079
<v Speaker 14>all together, no one cares.

1615
01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:42.000
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so we're here.

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01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:43.880
<v Speaker 10>It's Lake Minataka Regional Park is the name of the

1617
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:46.640
<v Speaker 10>park that we're in. And I do like guided hikes

1618
01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:48.239
<v Speaker 10>and stuff through the park. And we talked about, you know,

1619
01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:50.319
<v Speaker 10>thousands of years of history that are here in this park.

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01:13:50.439 --> 01:13:52.479
<v Speaker 10>That's a lot of that, and of course vern Ganya

1621
01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:56.960
<v Speaker 10>is about ten fifteen years or so of that history, right,

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01:13:57.560 --> 01:13:59.000
<v Speaker 10>And so I'll get to that point like at the

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01:13:59.079 --> 01:14:01.039
<v Speaker 10>end of the tour about bvern Gania a lot. And

1624
01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:02.720
<v Speaker 10>then a lot of people don't want to talk about

1625
01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:04.439
<v Speaker 10>the wrestling part of it, maybe so much, but it's

1626
01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:07.760
<v Speaker 10>definitely like a local interest because he's a local guy, right,

1627
01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:10.000
<v Speaker 10>And so like you get people that this this house

1628
01:14:10.079 --> 01:14:14.039
<v Speaker 10>has this kind of like kind of mystery and kind

1629
01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:15.920
<v Speaker 10>of shades of scandal to it and stuff too, and

1630
01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:17.319
<v Speaker 10>so there's a lot of people that want to know

1631
01:14:17.439 --> 01:14:19.840
<v Speaker 10>more about burn Gania story and more about the house.

1632
01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:23.079
<v Speaker 10>And then especially because it's it's a it's a public

1633
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:25.800
<v Speaker 10>place that you can like rent for like a meeting

1634
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:27.279
<v Speaker 10>or a party or something like that, but it's not

1635
01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:30.880
<v Speaker 10>necessarily like a public building anymore. So you know, yeah,

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01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:32.880
<v Speaker 10>ninety nine times out of one hundred, if somebody just

1637
01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:34.960
<v Speaker 10>comes because they're interested in vern Gania in the house

1638
01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:36.840
<v Speaker 10>and they come here, they can't just enter the house

1639
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:38.600
<v Speaker 10>and walk around and take a look because it's like

1640
01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:40.800
<v Speaker 10>a reservable space. It's also office space for some of

1641
01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:43.159
<v Speaker 10>our car staff, and so it's not just a publicly

1642
01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:44.880
<v Speaker 10>accessive a building where you can walk in front door

1643
01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:46.600
<v Speaker 10>and it is kind of walk through. It used to

1644
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:48.439
<v Speaker 10>be that way when the part first open, and it

1645
01:14:48.680 --> 01:14:52.279
<v Speaker 10>was a history museum talking about the history. So it opened,

1646
01:14:52.399 --> 01:14:54.760
<v Speaker 10>Uh wish you know this is I think nineteen ninety three.

1647
01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:55.439
<v Speaker 2>It was the nineties.

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01:14:56.399 --> 01:14:58.199
<v Speaker 10>Part of what we're talking about with the Gania story too,

1649
01:14:58.479 --> 01:15:00.920
<v Speaker 10>is it's like all of this was kind of slow

1650
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:02.560
<v Speaker 10>process of this ongoing thing.

1651
01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:05.520
<v Speaker 2>But I did want to get before we start walking

1652
01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:09.000
<v Speaker 2>and talking, you're you're just general sweep of the history

1653
01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:12.159
<v Speaker 2>of the park before Vernon. What should we know about

1654
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:14.520
<v Speaker 2>where we're standing and what it meant, you know, like

1655
01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:17.319
<v Speaker 2>you said, hundreds of years before he built the house.

1656
01:15:17.560 --> 01:15:19.760
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, So the park is actually a lot bigger than

1657
01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:22.640
<v Speaker 10>people think. It's over three hundred acres now, I think,

1658
01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:26.640
<v Speaker 10>but so vern owned I think eighty eighty acres of

1659
01:15:26.920 --> 01:15:30.199
<v Speaker 10>what is now the park of eighty acres of like

1660
01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:31.880
<v Speaker 10>I think it's I want to say it's three hundred and.

1661
01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:33.359
<v Speaker 2>Ninety two or something. Wow.

1662
01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:37.119
<v Speaker 10>But so he was one of the landowners, and then

1663
01:15:37.680 --> 01:15:40.840
<v Speaker 10>there were others like the break Myers and Ed Paul's

1664
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:42.840
<v Speaker 10>owned a big chunk. He was the inventor of the

1665
01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:43.960
<v Speaker 10>order track.

1666
01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Actually that's why it's called loaded because part.

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01:15:47.159 --> 01:15:49.800
<v Speaker 10>Of the Yeah, he was from I want to say Chaska.

1668
01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:51.439
<v Speaker 12>So right here at the Chanta side, but that's crazy.

1669
01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:53.000
<v Speaker 2>So he is the other gentleman you mentioned.

1670
01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:55.319
<v Speaker 10>And then it was the break Myers were a family

1671
01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:57.760
<v Speaker 10>that lived just kind of northwest of where we are

1672
01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:00.359
<v Speaker 10>right now, and they had like a historic building on

1673
01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:00.880
<v Speaker 10>their property.

1674
01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Again.

1675
01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:04.760
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, so this land, I mean, obviously Lake Minnetaka has

1676
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:07.520
<v Speaker 10>thousands years of history. There are burial mounds that are

1677
01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:10.000
<v Speaker 10>here in the park from Native people for thousands of

1678
01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:14.520
<v Speaker 10>years ago there. Yeah, So the city of Mound is

1679
01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:17.960
<v Speaker 10>because there were so many the mound building cultures built

1680
01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:20.560
<v Speaker 10>them primarily around lakes and rivers, the places that we

1681
01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:24.800
<v Speaker 10>often lay are dead to rest today, the tribal well people.

1682
01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:27.840
<v Speaker 10>It's like it's more of an archaeological term for like

1683
01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:30.239
<v Speaker 10>mountain builders, that people who were building.

1684
01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Mountains, and you're saying, it's so they got bread done

1685
01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:34.960
<v Speaker 2>for years, just fought the sun. With the announcers being

1686
01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:38.159
<v Speaker 2>from Mound, yeah, Minnesota. And I never understood that because

1687
01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:39.640
<v Speaker 2>I thought he lived here and I don't even know

1688
01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:40.199
<v Speaker 2>what Mound was.

1689
01:16:40.279 --> 01:16:43.640
<v Speaker 10>That makes sense, Yeah, yeah, yeah, so they built burial

1690
01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:47.199
<v Speaker 10>mounds and other just kind of like effigy mounds and things,

1691
01:16:47.239 --> 01:16:49.560
<v Speaker 10>but like around lakes and rivers. So like Lake Minnetaka

1692
01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:51.560
<v Speaker 10>has been such an important place to Native people for

1693
01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:53.880
<v Speaker 10>thousands of years that if you look like a map

1694
01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:57.159
<v Speaker 10>of those burial mounds in Minnesota, there's like this big

1695
01:16:57.359 --> 01:16:59.960
<v Speaker 10>ring around Lake Minnetaka because there's tons of burial mounds

1696
01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:02.119
<v Speaker 10>around like Minettauka, including here in the park, and so

1697
01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:04.800
<v Speaker 10>that's where Mountain Gota states I think from that. But

1698
01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:09.840
<v Speaker 10>so there's also archaeological evidence of like Dakota era like

1699
01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:13.880
<v Speaker 10>camp sites here in the park that this was a

1700
01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:17.279
<v Speaker 10>place that Dakota people would move to seasonally, not necessarily

1701
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:18.960
<v Speaker 10>maybe like right here in the park, but like like

1702
01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:23.600
<v Speaker 10>Benataka in general, including Chief Shock Pays Village which is

1703
01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:26.319
<v Speaker 10>now in the city of Shakpy, Minnesota. This was a

1704
01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:28.199
<v Speaker 10>place that they would come to do their maple sugaring

1705
01:17:28.279 --> 01:17:30.239
<v Speaker 10>in the spring. That they had like these big sugar

1706
01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:32.079
<v Speaker 10>maple trees here along the lake, and so they come

1707
01:17:32.119 --> 01:17:34.199
<v Speaker 10>here and tap the trees and make maple sugar. And

1708
01:17:34.279 --> 01:17:36.239
<v Speaker 10>so it's been kind of a cross through point for

1709
01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:37.199
<v Speaker 10>a long time.

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01:17:37.279 --> 01:17:39.319
<v Speaker 29>It has been a Tanka term for a tribe or

1711
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:40.680
<v Speaker 29>where Tanka come from.

1712
01:17:41.479 --> 01:17:44.119
<v Speaker 12>This is where you go from to We're from New England.

1713
01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:46.319
<v Speaker 28>So we've had a ton of yah, you know, tribal

1714
01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:47.279
<v Speaker 28>names for town.

1715
01:17:48.520 --> 01:17:48.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:50.319
<v Speaker 10>This is one thing I was really excited about for

1717
01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:52.600
<v Speaker 10>this too. Is like so often I'm talking to like

1718
01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:56.439
<v Speaker 10>locals where they already know like if I place names

1719
01:17:56.520 --> 01:17:57.600
<v Speaker 10>like yeah, I know that, and so it's like, oh,

1720
01:17:57.640 --> 01:18:02.399
<v Speaker 10>this is gonna be fun because so Minnetonka is like

1721
01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:06.319
<v Speaker 10>a like a more like anglicized term for a Dakota word,

1722
01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:08.800
<v Speaker 10>which is like many a tomphill, which means like big water,

1723
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.319
<v Speaker 10>grape water. It's the largest lake in the metro area

1724
01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:14.920
<v Speaker 10>I think, which is I don't I can give you

1725
01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:17.399
<v Speaker 10>the number. It's the ninth I think largest lake in Minnesota.

1726
01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:19.399
<v Speaker 10>So we have bigger ones out of it.

1727
01:18:19.399 --> 01:18:20.760
<v Speaker 2>And I was blown away. Yeah, I don't know. I

1728
01:18:20.840 --> 01:18:23.439
<v Speaker 2>just pature more of a pondish kind of you know,

1729
01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:25.920
<v Speaker 2>like you can see all ends of it. Yeah, well,

1730
01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:28.239
<v Speaker 2>will take at the it's.

1731
01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:30.640
<v Speaker 14>Like weird shape, like yeah, right, it's it's it's pretty

1732
01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:34.640
<v Speaker 14>incredibly like laid out honestly, the way that it naturally is.

1733
01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:38.159
<v Speaker 10>It's wild formed by the glaciers like ten thousand years ago,

1734
01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:40.760
<v Speaker 10>as the glaciers melted and receded, and they kind of,

1735
01:18:41.479 --> 01:18:43.319
<v Speaker 10>you know, they when they advanced through the kind of

1736
01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:46.199
<v Speaker 10>carved the area flat a little bit, and then when

1737
01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:49.720
<v Speaker 10>they melted, they you know, dropped chunks of ice that

1738
01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:52.239
<v Speaker 10>created these depressions. And so there must have been like

1739
01:18:52.319 --> 01:18:54.000
<v Speaker 10>all these chunks of ice kind of here that kind

1740
01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:56.159
<v Speaker 10>of blow apart and created all these little connected bays.

1741
01:18:56.239 --> 01:18:58.359
<v Speaker 10>And some of them are like actually separate lakes that

1742
01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:00.840
<v Speaker 10>have been connected. Now dretch them out and kind of

1743
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:01.840
<v Speaker 10>connect them because everyone.

1744
01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:05.960
<v Speaker 12>Wants to be on Lake Benettaka Yeah, yeah, including Yeah.

1745
01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:09.319
<v Speaker 10>So here it's like the southwest side of Lake Mantana,

1746
01:19:09.640 --> 01:19:12.000
<v Speaker 10>so in what we call it the upper Lake, and

1747
01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:14.640
<v Speaker 10>then we're actually looking out we can see the lake here. Yeah,

1748
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:24.039
<v Speaker 10>so this is yeah, locked up over the up Let's

1749
01:19:24.039 --> 01:19:27.279
<v Speaker 10>see ken Zach figure out how to open this.

1750
01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:37.079
<v Speaker 28>We go, all right, Jack, Yeah, so a little.

1751
01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:40.760
<v Speaker 10>Uh so we're looking out here at the lake and

1752
01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:44.439
<v Speaker 10>then over this way we'd be smith Poun Bay it's called,

1753
01:19:44.960 --> 01:19:47.680
<v Speaker 10>and then up that way you get closer to like

1754
01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:50.239
<v Speaker 10>Priests Bay and there's Hearts Grabble Point. This is an island,

1755
01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:53.600
<v Speaker 10>right across over here called Crane Island, and there's three

1756
01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:55.680
<v Speaker 10>of us. Park District has an island that we own.

1757
01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:58.359
<v Speaker 10>It's a public park, while we Tasso Island is right

1758
01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:01.079
<v Speaker 10>over here. So we're on like the southwest side of

1759
01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:04.399
<v Speaker 10>Lake Minetaka and what's called the Upper Lake near smith Town.

1760
01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:04.880
<v Speaker 12>Bay, Okay.

1761
01:20:05.279 --> 01:20:07.279
<v Speaker 2>Would this have been to the degree you would know

1762
01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:10.960
<v Speaker 2>this like when Verne would step out on because we've

1763
01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:12.640
<v Speaker 2>seen pictures of him stepping out out of the lake.

1764
01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:14.079
<v Speaker 2>Like there's a scene in the rest of where he's

1765
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:18.680
<v Speaker 2>actually bench pressing right what dantage point do you think

1766
01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:20.960
<v Speaker 2>that would be relative to the house if you could.

1767
01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:23.159
<v Speaker 7>I can't remember that exact scene. I remember it a

1768
01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:24.159
<v Speaker 7>little bit, but when.

1769
01:20:24.079 --> 01:20:26.279
<v Speaker 12>There I think it was. I think it was kind

1770
01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:28.640
<v Speaker 12>of where was the barn? Do you know where the

1771
01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:31.359
<v Speaker 12>barn was? Elsewhere?

1772
01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:34.640
<v Speaker 10>A couple of things he had, like there's like kind

1773
01:20:34.640 --> 01:20:37.279
<v Speaker 10>of I think maybe three uh, maybe I fell in

1774
01:20:37.319 --> 01:20:39.479
<v Speaker 10>misconceptions and like one of them is that like his

1775
01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:42.640
<v Speaker 10>training facility with the barn where like Rick Flair talks

1776
01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:45.239
<v Speaker 10>about the barn with the horse barn with the ring

1777
01:20:45.359 --> 01:20:47.039
<v Speaker 10>in it and it was cold and they would run

1778
01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:47.600
<v Speaker 10>around the lake.

1779
01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:52.680
<v Speaker 7>That was a different property, so he had there today, only.

1780
01:20:53.239 --> 01:20:55.199
<v Speaker 12>I feel like in the movie that like he's near

1781
01:20:55.319 --> 01:20:56.640
<v Speaker 12>another there is a.

1782
01:20:56.680 --> 01:20:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Barn on this property.

1783
01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:01.600
<v Speaker 10>Oh yeah, so there is still well, right, But that

1784
01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:04.520
<v Speaker 10>makes it confusing because there there is still his horse

1785
01:21:04.600 --> 01:21:06.560
<v Speaker 10>barn here on this property because he had horses and

1786
01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:10.239
<v Speaker 10>a horse barn, but the main training facility that he

1787
01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:13.359
<v Speaker 10>had his wrestling camp at was at a different property.

1788
01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:16.079
<v Speaker 10>And that's like I mean, it's in Chanhassen on the

1789
01:21:16.159 --> 01:21:17.479
<v Speaker 10>edge of Eden Prairie, so it's.

1790
01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:19.680
<v Speaker 7>About maybe fifteen miles away.

1791
01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:24.159
<v Speaker 10>And so that that's something that those two get connected

1792
01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:27.760
<v Speaker 10>a lot where because there's so there's similar properties in

1793
01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:30.880
<v Speaker 10>many ways, and people through.

1794
01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:34.039
<v Speaker 2>You know, Minnesota and Iowa, how many barns look like

1795
01:21:34.119 --> 01:21:34.520
<v Speaker 2>that barn.

1796
01:21:34.640 --> 01:21:34.840
<v Speaker 12>Yeah.

1797
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it turns out that there's nothing distinct to our

1798
01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I having never been here, Yeah, it looks like a

1799
01:21:40.039 --> 01:21:40.960
<v Speaker 2>one of a kind barn.

1800
01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:43.720
<v Speaker 10>But everybody, yeah, especially like in Minnesota, you're like, that's

1801
01:21:43.960 --> 01:21:47.479
<v Speaker 10>that's every every person's. And I've tried, like I haven't

1802
01:21:47.479 --> 01:21:50.039
<v Speaker 10>researched that property like a lot, but I've tried.

1803
01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:50.920
<v Speaker 7>Like, oh is that barn still there?

1804
01:21:50.920 --> 01:21:52.560
<v Speaker 10>And you look around it's all a housing development now,

1805
01:21:52.600 --> 01:21:55.039
<v Speaker 10>and so none of it's left. And and those houses

1806
01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:56.439
<v Speaker 10>are all built in the nineties and that next to

1807
01:21:56.479 --> 01:21:58.039
<v Speaker 10>Burns story kind of with this property too.

1808
01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:02.119
<v Speaker 14>But the barn, I think I feel like in my

1809
01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:06.439
<v Speaker 14>mind that when we that scene, he's by the barn

1810
01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:09.399
<v Speaker 14>that's on the property. Yes, And so I don't know

1811
01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:12.279
<v Speaker 14>where I'm gonna say, wherever the barn is would be

1812
01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:12.960
<v Speaker 14>where kind.

1813
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:16.239
<v Speaker 12>Of I imagine that scene takes place to that barn,

1814
01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:19.640
<v Speaker 12>the barn that was on the prop on this property property, Oh,

1815
01:22:20.039 --> 01:22:20.439
<v Speaker 12>that would be.

1816
01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:23.000
<v Speaker 10>It's kind of up by the swim pond. It's it's

1817
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:24.439
<v Speaker 10>a walk up the hills. So we can go look

1818
01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:26.640
<v Speaker 10>at it later for sure. I don't know if you

1819
01:22:26.680 --> 01:22:28.439
<v Speaker 10>can see it might be a different barn.

1820
01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:30.279
<v Speaker 12>We'll look at it, Okay, I could be. I could

1821
01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:31.920
<v Speaker 12>be completely so.

1822
01:22:32.039 --> 01:22:34.479
<v Speaker 10>The one that here looks very much like like a

1823
01:22:34.600 --> 01:22:36.960
<v Speaker 10>horse stable, like it's it's purely like a horse barn

1824
01:22:37.039 --> 01:22:39.239
<v Speaker 10>rather than we're looking for.

1825
01:22:39.439 --> 01:22:41.560
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I think so again, I could be. It could

1826
01:22:41.600 --> 01:22:42.840
<v Speaker 12>just be in my imagination for all I know.

1827
01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:46.680
<v Speaker 10>Here like whether he was living here or is this

1828
01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:49.039
<v Speaker 10>probably exactly? I bet he had it way more clear

1829
01:22:49.119 --> 01:22:51.039
<v Speaker 10>to have a good view of the lady and and

1830
01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:53.560
<v Speaker 10>you know, Mary was like a really great gardener and

1831
01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:55.239
<v Speaker 10>had all these gardens looking fantastic.

1832
01:22:55.760 --> 01:22:59.520
<v Speaker 12>Is that where the gardens that she had here or where.

1833
01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:02.359
<v Speaker 10>She had gone into here all and everything? And so

1834
01:23:02.520 --> 01:23:04.520
<v Speaker 10>we keep up like, you know, some of the guarding,

1835
01:23:04.600 --> 01:23:06.680
<v Speaker 10>not to the extent that Mary would have done it.

1836
01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:07.800
<v Speaker 12>But no, course not.

1837
01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Let's let's take it inside.

1838
01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:11.560
<v Speaker 29>Yeah, sure, any of using.

1839
01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:15.399
<v Speaker 10>Probably not.

1840
01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm that's fine.

1841
01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:20.600
<v Speaker 10>So yeah, we're here. We kind of came in like

1842
01:23:20.680 --> 01:23:22.159
<v Speaker 10>the front vegetable.

1843
01:23:24.000 --> 01:23:26.279
<v Speaker 29>Or would have been this front door.

1844
01:23:26.479 --> 01:23:29.319
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, and so it's the front door. Hardly ever gets

1845
01:23:29.399 --> 01:23:33.039
<v Speaker 10>used anymore because it's if everyone comes in the garage

1846
01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:36.840
<v Speaker 10>side doors and stuff. But so you can definitely sell it.

1847
01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:39.119
<v Speaker 10>It's been renovated quite a bit. This is not the

1848
01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:41.800
<v Speaker 10>way it looked when Vernon's here, as it became a

1849
01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:44.479
<v Speaker 10>public building for again for the museum at the beginning

1850
01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:46.079
<v Speaker 10>and then later. Now it's kind of like a wind

1851
01:23:46.079 --> 01:23:49.119
<v Speaker 10>foot facility, you know, so it's very much like a

1852
01:23:49.560 --> 01:23:51.880
<v Speaker 10>building now with this carpet I don't think would be

1853
01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:55.479
<v Speaker 10>something that Vernon Mary would have chosen on the walls,

1854
01:23:55.479 --> 01:23:56.760
<v Speaker 10>but yeah, you can still see a lot of the

1855
01:23:56.800 --> 01:23:58.840
<v Speaker 10>things that are originally like this. Seeing it'll walk through

1856
01:23:58.880 --> 01:24:01.319
<v Speaker 10>some of the other rooms to elevator has been added,

1857
01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:03.479
<v Speaker 10>so we had to make that the building more like

1858
01:24:03.560 --> 01:24:06.760
<v Speaker 10>eighty as possible. Sure, I think Vernon had like a

1859
01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:09.119
<v Speaker 10>lot of like steps and stuff built into the house

1860
01:24:10.039 --> 01:24:11.680
<v Speaker 10>where you can see what when we go into kind

1861
01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:14.720
<v Speaker 10>of like the like the living room, it's gonna feel

1862
01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:16.760
<v Speaker 10>like the ceiling is really close to you because I

1863
01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:19.840
<v Speaker 10>think it was like steps down like this conversation fit style.

1864
01:24:19.960 --> 01:24:23.079
<v Speaker 10>You know, Oh, I built into Seva conversation fit.

1865
01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:24.319
<v Speaker 29>I think this conversation fit.

1866
01:24:24.439 --> 01:24:24.520
<v Speaker 10>Ye.

1867
01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:27.840
<v Speaker 14>My wife's very into uh, like she loves mid century

1868
01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:30.399
<v Speaker 14>modern stuff, so that kind of stuff, Like she loves

1869
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:31.039
<v Speaker 14>that kind of stuff.

1870
01:24:31.159 --> 01:24:33.359
<v Speaker 10>I've seen some pictures of what I think is the

1871
01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:36.119
<v Speaker 10>house when Vernon went here, Like there's some like outside pictures,

1872
01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:38.680
<v Speaker 10>but there's a few like pictures like Vernon his house

1873
01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:40.039
<v Speaker 10>and you look at it. A yeah, I'm trying to

1874
01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:42.159
<v Speaker 10>figure out. It's hard to even tell like what roomy.

1875
01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:45.479
<v Speaker 14>Is in right, yeah, but looks very good for well yeah,

1876
01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:51.279
<v Speaker 14>like even what like this second floor balcony was this original?

1877
01:24:51.439 --> 01:24:53.520
<v Speaker 12>Was this ad was original?

1878
01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:53.840
<v Speaker 8>Wow?

1879
01:24:55.960 --> 01:24:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Extra coming?

1880
01:24:56.880 --> 01:24:57.880
<v Speaker 12>Like I guess that's true.

1881
01:24:57.880 --> 01:24:59.880
<v Speaker 14>I mean, to the best of your knowledge, how how

1882
01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:03.359
<v Speaker 14>was this laid out like in terms of this is

1883
01:25:03.640 --> 01:25:06.439
<v Speaker 14>it's kind of a unique space as it is, I

1884
01:25:06.479 --> 01:25:09.760
<v Speaker 14>think is almost kind of the same.

1885
01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:10.079
<v Speaker 12>Yeah.

1886
01:25:10.840 --> 01:25:12.680
<v Speaker 10>And so the basement had like I think a lot

1887
01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:14.520
<v Speaker 10>of the entertaining stuff, like a pop table, and he

1888
01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:17.279
<v Speaker 10>had like a den maybe where the bathrooms are.

1889
01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:18.720
<v Speaker 12>There, so you don't have the wet bar anymore that

1890
01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:20.119
<v Speaker 12>he used to have downstairs in the basement.

1891
01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:22.960
<v Speaker 10>I think I saw something in like the in the

1892
01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:25.279
<v Speaker 10>records where there was a back and forth over when

1893
01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:29.319
<v Speaker 10>the land transferred from vern to the Park district. And

1894
01:25:29.399 --> 01:25:30.960
<v Speaker 10>I think, you know, like when you sell the house,

1895
01:25:31.039 --> 01:25:32.319
<v Speaker 10>like all the things that are like built in are

1896
01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:34.840
<v Speaker 10>supposed to like come up with the house. Yeah, And

1897
01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:37.399
<v Speaker 10>then I think that there was like like a little

1898
01:25:37.439 --> 01:25:39.520
<v Speaker 10>bit of like negotiation over like him like trying to

1899
01:25:39.640 --> 01:25:44.000
<v Speaker 10>like take the bar out and stuff the value like

1900
01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:47.640
<v Speaker 10>that's technically supposed to stay. There's something about that that's true.

1901
01:25:47.680 --> 01:25:49.119
<v Speaker 14>And a lot of a lot of things where you know,

1902
01:25:49.399 --> 01:25:51.439
<v Speaker 14>like when you even sell Holt we when we sold

1903
01:25:51.479 --> 01:25:55.960
<v Speaker 14>our our our house in New Jersey, you know, we

1904
01:25:56.199 --> 01:26:01.840
<v Speaker 14>forgot to list we had installed a uh with the

1905
01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:04.439
<v Speaker 14>bed kind of bed that comes think of a Murphy bad,

1906
01:26:04.479 --> 01:26:07.439
<v Speaker 14>thank you. We had installed the Murphy bed and we

1907
01:26:07.560 --> 01:26:09.399
<v Speaker 14>forgot to list it as what things we wanted to take,

1908
01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:11.520
<v Speaker 14>so we had to leave it. We spend like a

1909
01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:14.319
<v Speaker 14>thousand dollars on this Murphy bed, and we were forced

1910
01:26:14.359 --> 01:26:15.880
<v Speaker 14>to keep it, like we're forced to leave it there

1911
01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:17.880
<v Speaker 14>to the people who were who we were selling to

1912
01:26:18.039 --> 01:26:23.359
<v Speaker 14>because we didn't know exactly exactly unless you claim it,

1913
01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:25.279
<v Speaker 14>so we moved it.

1914
01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:27.239
<v Speaker 10>This is just kind of like elevator and stuff over here,

1915
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:29.039
<v Speaker 10>a kind of utilities. We go over here.

1916
01:26:29.279 --> 01:26:33.000
<v Speaker 28>Yeah, these are the restrooms ability over here.

1917
01:26:33.079 --> 01:26:36.479
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I think this is where the den was. There's

1918
01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:38.239
<v Speaker 10>a picture where he's like on the step of a den.

1919
01:26:38.359 --> 01:26:40.159
<v Speaker 10>I think there's like a step down into like a

1920
01:26:40.319 --> 01:26:41.760
<v Speaker 10>den a bathroom.

1921
01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:42.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1922
01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:45.760
<v Speaker 10>So again obviously these bathrooms are very different than what like,

1923
01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:47.760
<v Speaker 10>of course the Dunes would have had, but you know,

1924
01:26:48.079 --> 01:26:50.640
<v Speaker 10>installed this bathroom and then the garage is out through

1925
01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:53.520
<v Speaker 10>this door and then this kind of split bear we

1926
01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:54.479
<v Speaker 10>go off the stairs to.

1927
01:26:56.840 --> 01:27:00.600
<v Speaker 14>Oh my gosh, yes, was this I mean obviously not

1928
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:03.359
<v Speaker 14>this exact like design here, but was this is this

1929
01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:06.479
<v Speaker 14>like the original staircase that would come up here or

1930
01:27:06.760 --> 01:27:07.640
<v Speaker 14>it's the location of it.

1931
01:27:07.760 --> 01:27:12.119
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, so you can imagine this is like a nice

1932
01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:13.880
<v Speaker 10>den with an awesome view right in here.

1933
01:27:15.720 --> 01:27:18.640
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, and this is the this is the the wrap around.

1934
01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:19.840
<v Speaker 27>Yeah.

1935
01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:24.920
<v Speaker 10>So it's been like renovated, so it's not like all

1936
01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:27.079
<v Speaker 10>the original board stuff, right, it's a pretty original style

1937
01:27:27.119 --> 01:27:30.000
<v Speaker 10>to the guy. That's what they had here.

1938
01:27:31.039 --> 01:27:36.520
<v Speaker 12>That's wild, Anama, look at that.

1939
01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:41.720
<v Speaker 10>And you can see here so there's the it's a

1940
01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:44.159
<v Speaker 10>like a kind of a mock tutor building.

1941
01:27:44.399 --> 01:27:44.600
<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

1942
01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:47.039
<v Speaker 10>So you can see the brick work here, which I loved.

1943
01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:49.399
<v Speaker 10>It's it's called like fairy tale style.

1944
01:27:49.479 --> 01:27:49.680
<v Speaker 12>Yeah.

1945
01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:51.079
<v Speaker 10>You look, it's like all this kind of moves it

1946
01:27:51.279 --> 01:27:53.000
<v Speaker 10>like the brickston't all line up. And it's got some

1947
01:27:53.119 --> 01:27:56.560
<v Speaker 10>fieldstone in it too. And again I don't I haven't

1948
01:27:56.560 --> 01:27:59.520
<v Speaker 10>seen anything about like the exact like architect they used

1949
01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:03.279
<v Speaker 10>or anything, but the guys had the home built especially

1950
01:28:03.359 --> 01:28:05.960
<v Speaker 10>like the way that they wanted it, right. And then

1951
01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:07.840
<v Speaker 10>you see then the stuck go over here on this side,

1952
01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:10.520
<v Speaker 10>and the kind of the mock tutor ryan beings over there.

1953
01:28:15.239 --> 01:28:17.279
<v Speaker 28>Thank you, I love you.

1954
01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:21.039
<v Speaker 12>That's just wild.

1955
01:28:24.560 --> 01:28:26.640
<v Speaker 10>And then as they made the changes, had to modernize

1956
01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:29.199
<v Speaker 10>the building and do accessibility and stuff. When they added

1957
01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:32.399
<v Speaker 10>the elevator, it's it's a brick, so it kind of matches.

1958
01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:34.640
<v Speaker 7>But I really wish they had done the same.

1959
01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:35.199
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1960
01:28:37.159 --> 01:28:40.199
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, probably probably costs.

1961
01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:42.079
<v Speaker 7>Three times as much to pay a contractor to build this,

1962
01:28:42.279 --> 01:28:42.840
<v Speaker 7>so it's more.

1963
01:28:42.920 --> 01:28:45.079
<v Speaker 10>I mean, elevators are expensively going, so I get why

1964
01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:46.640
<v Speaker 10>they did it, But it's part of these like like

1965
01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:48.039
<v Speaker 10>just ruins it looking at the.

1966
01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:51.520
<v Speaker 2>It's good for us. It's good because it lets us.

1967
01:28:51.479 --> 01:28:52.680
<v Speaker 13>Know what period.

1968
01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:54.239
<v Speaker 12>You know.

1969
01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:57.359
<v Speaker 14>It's funny in the in the book it's called it

1970
01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:58.479
<v Speaker 14>a two story house.

1971
01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:01.359
<v Speaker 12>That is all right house. It looks like there's a

1972
01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:06.239
<v Speaker 12>whole Yeah, there's three levels, the three levels, but like

1973
01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:08.000
<v Speaker 12>the book calls it a two story house.

1974
01:29:08.239 --> 01:29:10.600
<v Speaker 7>There was a burn book that came out, Yeah, just

1975
01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:11.000
<v Speaker 7>came out.

1976
01:29:11.159 --> 01:29:12.720
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, yeah, I read like a little bit of it.

1977
01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Have a chapter about the house.

1978
01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:14.199
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1979
01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:16.640
<v Speaker 2>So that's how we're a lot of the curiosity comes from, honestly,

1980
01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:18.479
<v Speaker 2>is the work. Who did pulling in.

1981
01:29:18.479 --> 01:29:21.960
<v Speaker 12>All the other that was I mean every day.

1982
01:29:23.399 --> 01:29:29.159
<v Speaker 2>Exactly the rope probably where's the VG imagine would that's

1983
01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:31.840
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful day Mary lamps?

1984
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:36.439
<v Speaker 12>Because there's a scene in while the boys over.

1985
01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:42.560
<v Speaker 14>Well, the boys over all right, the guys training coming

1986
01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:45.680
<v Speaker 14>well and uh and uh and and Brinzel said it.

1987
01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:50.079
<v Speaker 14>We interviewed, we read Jim Brinzell and he talked about

1988
01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:51.800
<v Speaker 14>like she made great lamb chops and it was that

1989
01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:55.439
<v Speaker 14>was a lamb chopsta. Yeah, Zach, what's your wrestling fan

1990
01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:55.920
<v Speaker 14>of history?

1991
01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:56.199
<v Speaker 19>Yeah?

1992
01:29:56.439 --> 01:29:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Did you go to matches growing up.

1993
01:29:57.800 --> 01:29:59.159
<v Speaker 7>Or like, uh, not much?

1994
01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:02.479
<v Speaker 10>I mean my dad was a big wrestling fan, and

1995
01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:05.439
<v Speaker 10>so you know I grew up in like the Attitude era, right, Okay,

1996
01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:08.319
<v Speaker 10>So so watching I was always.

1997
01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:08.920
<v Speaker 7>Like a w w F guy.

1998
01:30:09.000 --> 01:30:10.600
<v Speaker 10>Watched some w CW, but I was a w w

1999
01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:14.640
<v Speaker 10>F guy and then been watching ever since. Had times

2000
01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:16.600
<v Speaker 10>where I kind of like watched it less or didn't

2001
01:30:16.600 --> 01:30:17.239
<v Speaker 10>see it in his mind.

2002
01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:20.439
<v Speaker 2>But but were you're aware as an attitude or a

2003
01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:23.640
<v Speaker 2>kid of Vern or was Vern like ancient history.

2004
01:30:23.439 --> 01:30:25.800
<v Speaker 10>Where yeah, my dad would talk about aw A like

2005
01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:28.159
<v Speaker 10>so like he went to aw A matches and would

2006
01:30:28.159 --> 01:30:31.880
<v Speaker 10>watch it on TV, so we like I knew, Yeah,

2007
01:30:31.960 --> 01:30:33.399
<v Speaker 10>a lot of the a w A wrestlers even though

2008
01:30:33.439 --> 01:30:34.199
<v Speaker 10>I never saw them.

2009
01:30:34.199 --> 01:30:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Didn't tell What did you tell you about Vern? What

2010
01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:38.840
<v Speaker 2>were you what was your pressure if anything?

2011
01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:39.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

2012
01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:39.560
<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

2013
01:30:39.560 --> 01:30:42.880
<v Speaker 10>I think he just always looked up to him, and uh,

2014
01:30:43.479 --> 01:30:46.680
<v Speaker 10>there's that thing or so one thing. Again, I've learned

2015
01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:51.319
<v Speaker 10>a lot more about vern like more recently and than

2016
01:30:51.439 --> 01:30:52.960
<v Speaker 10>when I was a kid, of course and everything, but

2017
01:30:53.079 --> 01:30:56.399
<v Speaker 10>like one thing that I started to appreciate his man

2018
01:30:56.439 --> 01:30:58.880
<v Speaker 10>I'm looking like looking at his whole life was like man,

2019
01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:02.279
<v Speaker 10>Vern is like modern day folk hero in so many ways.

2020
01:31:02.399 --> 01:31:05.520
<v Speaker 10>And I think that wrestling fandom is especially true in

2021
01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:07.720
<v Speaker 10>that of like seeing Vernon's like this folk hero of

2022
01:31:07.800 --> 01:31:11.399
<v Speaker 10>this like man who went up against you know, the machine,

2023
01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:14.000
<v Speaker 10>right of like a John Henry story almost kind of right, And.

2024
01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:17.399
<v Speaker 2>It's it's interesting to us as fans, you know, who

2025
01:31:17.399 --> 01:31:20.720
<v Speaker 2>are for the West, to realize that generational peal that

2026
01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:22.720
<v Speaker 2>he had, Like vern was somebody like even if you

2027
01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:26.000
<v Speaker 2>thought wrestling was phony blooney, vern had a because of

2028
01:31:26.079 --> 01:31:29.840
<v Speaker 2>his legitimate amatereprenantiles, because of his his position in the community.

2029
01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Like they talk in the book about how he would

2030
01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>have high level the high society at this thing for parties, right, yea,

2031
01:31:36.520 --> 01:31:39.199
<v Speaker 2>the most prominent politicians came to kiss the ring to

2032
01:31:39.279 --> 01:31:42.359
<v Speaker 2>some degree, and even though he was gonna a phony wrestler,

2033
01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:45.880
<v Speaker 2>he was taken way more seriously than most wrestlers.

2034
01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:48.199
<v Speaker 10>And giving back into like the local like actual like

2035
01:31:48.319 --> 01:31:50.640
<v Speaker 10>like wrestling programs at the high schools and stuff. He

2036
01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:54.039
<v Speaker 10>was always doing fundraisers and so I think just super

2037
01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:56.239
<v Speaker 10>active in the community, which helps with that rather than

2038
01:31:56.279 --> 01:31:58.560
<v Speaker 10>just people would always have famous guy TV you never

2039
01:31:58.600 --> 01:31:59.199
<v Speaker 10>seen or something.

2040
01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, I understand. He would always have the top

2041
01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:04.640
<v Speaker 2>high school wrestlers in the state actually come on the

2042
01:32:04.680 --> 01:32:07.199
<v Speaker 2>Pro Wrestling TV show to get interview these kids, these

2043
01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:09.840
<v Speaker 2>top collegiate kids. He was always so connected to that.

2044
01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:12.159
<v Speaker 2>Any Graham did the same thing down in Florida. But

2045
01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:14.840
<v Speaker 2>it was a way to make him be about more

2046
01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:17.279
<v Speaker 2>than just you know, fleecing people for fake fights. It

2047
01:32:17.399 --> 01:32:19.239
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, he was a guy that kept wrestling

2048
01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:22.720
<v Speaker 2>alive and vibrant of the who can probably head back

2049
01:32:22.760 --> 01:32:24.800
<v Speaker 2>in again, that's not another staircase, I must.

2050
01:32:28.840 --> 01:32:31.079
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, that's right exactly.

2051
01:32:36.239 --> 01:32:39.079
<v Speaker 10>So here's like a little kitchen that's been added like

2052
01:32:39.199 --> 01:32:41.479
<v Speaker 10>the dining room over here, and this is.

2053
01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:43.840
<v Speaker 13>A wow.

2054
01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:53.800
<v Speaker 12>Ho lord, this is yeah where.

2055
01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:55.640
<v Speaker 9>Right?

2056
01:32:56.720 --> 01:32:59.520
<v Speaker 12>The firefights always going, That's unelievable.

2057
01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:01.279
<v Speaker 29>It's in the wrestler every.

2058
01:33:01.159 --> 01:33:03.600
<v Speaker 12>Scene, there's a fireplace. Yeah.

2059
01:33:05.159 --> 01:33:05.600
<v Speaker 2>I love the.

2060
01:33:07.560 --> 01:33:08.199
<v Speaker 10>Support games.

2061
01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:11.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

2062
01:33:11.359 --> 01:33:14.199
<v Speaker 12>This is definitely I mean almost looks like a like

2063
01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:20.720
<v Speaker 12>a like a Disneyland. Uh like facade. That's unbelievable.

2064
01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:22.319
<v Speaker 24>Just it's just.

2065
01:33:23.800 --> 01:33:27.720
<v Speaker 12>I know, right, it gives you that limited access.

2066
01:33:28.119 --> 01:33:32.239
<v Speaker 30>Yeah, it made it a movie trivia thing. Didn't read

2067
01:33:32.279 --> 01:33:37.159
<v Speaker 30>that movie by anybody. This was a dining room, Yeah,

2068
01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:43.319
<v Speaker 30>dining room. The table we still had the un brown

2069
01:33:43.439 --> 01:33:45.560
<v Speaker 30>yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

2070
01:33:46.239 --> 01:33:48.159
<v Speaker 10>I use this room more than any others. Like I

2071
01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:50.159
<v Speaker 10>teach like a lot of summer camps here at the

2072
01:33:50.199 --> 01:33:51.960
<v Speaker 10>park and stuff, and so this is like our base

2073
01:33:52.079 --> 01:33:54.079
<v Speaker 10>for the summer camps. And so we do what I'm

2074
01:33:54.079 --> 01:33:55.720
<v Speaker 10>talking about, like the history of Crane Island and the

2075
01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:57.520
<v Speaker 10>history of the park. And then I'll always tell them

2076
01:33:57.560 --> 01:34:00.640
<v Speaker 10>a little bit about burning guy. Yeah that's you know,

2077
01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:02.600
<v Speaker 10>every summer camp you get like one kid that's like

2078
01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:03.239
<v Speaker 10>into wrestling.

2079
01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:04.840
<v Speaker 29>Who's your favorite?

2080
01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:15.880
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, the original closet, Yeah, I think this was for

2081
01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:19.079
<v Speaker 10>storing firewood, or at least designed to be that. So

2082
01:34:19.319 --> 01:34:21.920
<v Speaker 10>it's it's a gas fireplace. I don't I think maybe

2083
01:34:22.239 --> 01:34:24.439
<v Speaker 10>that was installed later. Yeah time.

2084
01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:32.199
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, he's going into the forest and getting wood himself,

2085
01:34:33.479 --> 01:34:37.159
<v Speaker 14>carrying back trees, carrying back look at that.

2086
01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:45.359
<v Speaker 12>Look at that. Oh my god, that's where you watch

2087
01:34:45.439 --> 01:34:47.039
<v Speaker 12>tape watch film.

2088
01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, because the story makes you think that

2089
01:34:50.439 --> 01:34:53.239
<v Speaker 2>it was essentially like torn down right from Afar. I

2090
01:34:53.319 --> 01:34:56.920
<v Speaker 2>honestly did not know until I wasn't confident until I

2091
01:34:57.119 --> 01:34:59.640
<v Speaker 2>made contact with you that this actually still stood let alone.

2092
01:34:59.760 --> 01:35:01.520
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, it looked on the outside exactly right.

2093
01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:04.319
<v Speaker 2>I was like, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna do

2094
01:35:04.359 --> 01:35:06.199
<v Speaker 2>a thing where we're standing where it was, but it's

2095
01:35:06.239 --> 01:35:06.560
<v Speaker 2>not going to.

2096
01:35:07.039 --> 01:35:08.960
<v Speaker 12>I actually really had no idea that it was still

2097
01:35:09.000 --> 01:35:09.840
<v Speaker 12>standing until you.

2098
01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:13.520
<v Speaker 14>Until we got here, I was like, I I I

2099
01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:16.800
<v Speaker 14>always in my mind and the times that we've talked

2100
01:35:16.840 --> 01:35:19.079
<v Speaker 14>about a w A and done shows on the a

2101
01:35:19.279 --> 01:35:23.760
<v Speaker 14>w A that it was completely demolished and that there

2102
01:35:23.800 --> 01:35:26.279
<v Speaker 14>was nothing here from it and whatever. Like I actually

2103
01:35:26.319 --> 01:35:29.159
<v Speaker 14>imagined this was the park, like the actual park was

2104
01:35:29.239 --> 01:35:31.880
<v Speaker 14>on the house, not that the building was here.

2105
01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:34.520
<v Speaker 12>So this is this is incredibly down.

2106
01:35:34.359 --> 01:35:35.479
<v Speaker 10>The hill and you're like, it's not going to be

2107
01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:36.760
<v Speaker 10>a house here. I don't know what you're time right

2108
01:35:37.399 --> 01:35:39.199
<v Speaker 10>right that I missed the boat ram.

2109
01:35:41.079 --> 01:35:43.479
<v Speaker 14>I'm like expectingly like a boat house and I'm not

2110
01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:45.079
<v Speaker 14>expecting the house.

2111
01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:48.680
<v Speaker 10>I'm looking feels really low and so again I think

2112
01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:50.800
<v Speaker 10>this is where you kind of stepped down in that kind.

2113
01:35:50.720 --> 01:35:54.680
<v Speaker 12>Of kind of right right with the fireplace for sure.

2114
01:35:55.000 --> 01:35:57.079
<v Speaker 10>Because even this is because of how low that like

2115
01:35:57.560 --> 01:35:58.600
<v Speaker 10>up off the ground right.

2116
01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:03.880
<v Speaker 14>Fer that raised there, Oh my yeah, and the windows

2117
01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:06.479
<v Speaker 14>to all of that. Yeah, totally, that makes total sense.

2118
01:36:08.079 --> 01:36:10.039
<v Speaker 14>I would have kept that when renoventing the place, just

2119
01:36:10.119 --> 01:36:11.800
<v Speaker 14>for the sake of it. That's such a cool I know.

2120
01:36:11.880 --> 01:36:14.479
<v Speaker 10>I've heard stories about like, oh and then it's lower

2121
01:36:14.560 --> 01:36:16.880
<v Speaker 10>it here because Verne had a ring installed in this.

2122
01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:19.920
<v Speaker 10>I was like, I don't think so, Like that's why

2123
01:36:19.960 --> 01:36:20.479
<v Speaker 10>he had the barn.

2124
01:36:20.560 --> 01:36:25.520
<v Speaker 14>Yeah place, Yeah, everyone had that. I mean especially it

2125
01:36:25.600 --> 01:36:27.359
<v Speaker 14>was early seventies. He made it so there's still the

2126
01:36:27.920 --> 01:36:30.000
<v Speaker 14>there's still the influence of the sixties. So of course

2127
01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:33.279
<v Speaker 14>that that that's sunken. Yeah, he wouldn't have a ring floor.

2128
01:36:33.399 --> 01:36:38.279
<v Speaker 14>He certainly, I wouldn't doubt to see. Imagine you imagine

2129
01:36:38.279 --> 01:36:40.439
<v Speaker 14>a couple of people like does he and taking somebody

2130
01:36:40.520 --> 01:36:42.760
<v Speaker 14>down fireplace, people are drinking around.

2131
01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:43.640
<v Speaker 12>I love it.

2132
01:36:44.359 --> 01:36:46.880
<v Speaker 10>He's the hope. They hosted so many parties here. Yeah,

2133
01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:49.000
<v Speaker 10>And I think it's a mix of like again those

2134
01:36:49.039 --> 01:36:51.760
<v Speaker 10>kind of more high society like we're we're hosting and

2135
01:36:51.920 --> 01:36:54.279
<v Speaker 10>Mary's making lamb chops and like those kind of things.

2136
01:36:54.279 --> 01:36:56.359
<v Speaker 10>But then also imagine they had plenty of late nights

2137
01:36:56.399 --> 01:36:58.720
<v Speaker 10>and stuff the wrestlers and used to get into So

2138
01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:00.439
<v Speaker 10>put your wrestlers in the room, you what they after

2139
01:37:00.439 --> 01:37:01.800
<v Speaker 10>a couple of drinks, they kind of rolled around on.

2140
01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:04.560
<v Speaker 12>This floor and a little bit, I am. I imagine

2141
01:37:04.560 --> 01:37:07.119
<v Speaker 12>the politicians are like, I could take you, I can

2142
01:37:07.199 --> 01:37:09.520
<v Speaker 12>take it. Let's go at it right now. There a

2143
01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:16.279
<v Speaker 12>couple of Brandy's in chief offended.

2144
01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:21.000
<v Speaker 28>I'm sure under the Giant walked around.

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01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:23.119
<v Speaker 12>In here, duck around.

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01:37:23.119 --> 01:37:27.920
<v Speaker 10>He does the Hogan impression that it's.

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01:37:27.079 --> 01:37:32.039
<v Speaker 14>Really you're still doing this after having listened.

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01:37:34.680 --> 01:37:37.159
<v Speaker 2>But Hogan himself, I mean, you know, Hogan says it's

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01:37:37.239 --> 01:37:39.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of it's kind of myth. But he says in

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01:37:39.680 --> 01:37:41.880
<v Speaker 2>his book that Verne wanted to set him up with

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01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:46.800
<v Speaker 2>one of his daughters. Yeah, and so I can imagine,

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01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:49.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, attempted courtships here. Alright, Terry, what's you come

2153
01:37:49.520 --> 01:37:51.079
<v Speaker 2>on in? Come one?

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01:37:53.439 --> 01:37:57.479
<v Speaker 12>Single? Very single? Yeah?

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01:37:57.520 --> 01:37:59.920
<v Speaker 10>Absolutely, So this is so this is all the space

2156
01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:01.439
<v Speaker 10>that kind of you can rent. So if you're gonna

2157
01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:04.039
<v Speaker 10>have like a meeting or so, you can reserve it

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01:38:04.119 --> 01:38:04.640
<v Speaker 10>on the website.

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01:38:04.720 --> 01:38:06.479
<v Speaker 2>Did you do a party for podcast listeners?

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01:38:07.319 --> 01:38:09.800
<v Speaker 12>We could yeah, absolutely, I don't.

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01:38:09.600 --> 01:38:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Think this is the last time we're going to see the.

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01:38:10.760 --> 01:38:14.119
<v Speaker 10>Home stay upstairs. So this is where we get into

2163
01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:16.680
<v Speaker 10>office space. And so this is still like an office

2164
01:38:16.720 --> 01:38:20.439
<v Speaker 10>building for the staff who worked here, kind of overseeing

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01:38:20.520 --> 01:38:22.399
<v Speaker 10>the swim pond. The playground.

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01:38:22.920 --> 01:38:23.319
<v Speaker 9>Version of the.

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01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:31.600
<v Speaker 10>Lights on the view of here is fantastic. So this

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01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:33.159
<v Speaker 10>is where we get into Now, what was.

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01:38:33.239 --> 01:38:36.800
<v Speaker 12>The bedroom on the floor, So this this was this

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01:38:37.039 --> 01:38:37.640
<v Speaker 12>was the bedroom.

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01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:45.199
<v Speaker 10>Yep, it's so just modern offices right now, like there

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01:38:45.279 --> 01:38:45.840
<v Speaker 10>over the lake.

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01:38:47.319 --> 01:38:50.399
<v Speaker 14>Well I imagine too that there was I mean, it

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01:38:50.439 --> 01:38:54.319
<v Speaker 14>looks like there was a balcony. So I wonder if

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01:38:54.520 --> 01:38:56.840
<v Speaker 14>they added on the step out.

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01:38:56.720 --> 01:39:00.279
<v Speaker 10>Here or this might have been actually something we at it.

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01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:03.239
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, so I mean this that's the same unless you

2178
01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:05.319
<v Speaker 14>guys added this to copy the design. But to me,

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01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:07.640
<v Speaker 14>this seems like there was a little place where he

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01:39:07.680 --> 01:39:10.560
<v Speaker 14>could step out. I mean, listen, if I was designing

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01:39:10.600 --> 01:39:12.840
<v Speaker 14>my own house on this property, that's what.

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01:39:12.880 --> 01:39:16.840
<v Speaker 12>I would do. I would have an adjacent balcony just

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01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:17.119
<v Speaker 12>for me.

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01:39:17.479 --> 01:39:23.279
<v Speaker 10>Here's where you drink your coffee. That's right. But wow,

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01:39:27.039 --> 01:39:28.640
<v Speaker 10>this original to the house.

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01:39:29.960 --> 01:39:32.239
<v Speaker 12>Oh got some look at that. That's absolutely originause.

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01:39:32.319 --> 01:39:37.319
<v Speaker 10>Oh question, So this was referred to as Verne's golden sing.

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01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:42.159
<v Speaker 12>Look at I mean, look at that. I mean that's incredible.

2189
01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:45.159
<v Speaker 12>And that's again it's not that same vintage.

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01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:49.239
<v Speaker 10>And then the walk in closet that I'm sure he

2191
01:39:49.239 --> 01:39:50.359
<v Speaker 10>said he had it built for Mary.

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01:39:51.239 --> 01:39:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, What do you know about Mary?

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01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:53.720
<v Speaker 25>Like?

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01:39:53.920 --> 01:39:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Is that she's someone you've.

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01:39:54.960 --> 01:39:57.520
<v Speaker 10>Ever research though not enough? No, I don't know too

2196
01:39:57.600 --> 01:39:59.880
<v Speaker 10>much about her. But she was local.

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01:40:00.279 --> 01:40:02.279
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, I should dig into that.

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01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:02.960
<v Speaker 25>I do.

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01:40:03.079 --> 01:40:05.039
<v Speaker 12>I do a lot of I do well.

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01:40:05.039 --> 01:40:08.680
<v Speaker 14>I do a lot of for for our show. I

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01:40:08.800 --> 01:40:11.680
<v Speaker 14>do a lot of ancestry work to dig up on people,

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01:40:11.760 --> 01:40:13.680
<v Speaker 14>especifically with Hogan. We did a lot of stuff. I

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01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:18.239
<v Speaker 14>found evidence of Hogan's family dating back to Italy and

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01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:21.039
<v Speaker 14>but we but this is we did our main A

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01:40:21.399 --> 01:40:25.800
<v Speaker 14>A W A journey before I started doing that, So

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01:40:25.880 --> 01:40:28.000
<v Speaker 14>I should I should do an.

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01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:31.520
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, that's right, there we go. I should do a

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01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:34.840
<v Speaker 12>I'll have to do a I'll do a vern Vern

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01:40:34.920 --> 01:40:38.720
<v Speaker 12>family tree. That'll be fun. But there's some stuff and that.

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01:40:38.840 --> 01:40:40.520
<v Speaker 28>That there's stuff you didn't know about it the family

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01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:41.000
<v Speaker 28>in that book.

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01:40:41.319 --> 01:40:41.520
<v Speaker 12>Yeah.

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01:40:41.960 --> 01:40:46.720
<v Speaker 10>Interesting, looks like like he was kind of a guiding voice,

2214
01:40:46.760 --> 01:40:47.680
<v Speaker 10>at least in the books.

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01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:51.760
<v Speaker 12>A little bit about'm srying to this would have been

2216
01:40:51.800 --> 01:40:55.359
<v Speaker 12>there on sweep into a thing.

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01:40:56.600 --> 01:41:00.720
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I think the elevator got out of there for

2218
01:41:00.760 --> 01:41:02.800
<v Speaker 10>the district that year, just kind of for this like

2219
01:41:02.920 --> 01:41:03.880
<v Speaker 10>park cluster.

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01:41:03.680 --> 01:41:06.159
<v Speaker 12>Here do we know, like do you know where?

2221
01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:10.880
<v Speaker 14>Because obviously there's there's these now, well these are original walls.

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01:41:11.439 --> 01:41:13.960
<v Speaker 14>That's okay, these are so these are like original walls.

2223
01:41:14.000 --> 01:41:15.720
<v Speaker 12>So this was a separate room. And this was a

2224
01:41:15.760 --> 01:41:18.800
<v Speaker 12>separate room. So I'm trying to just trying to figure.

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01:41:19.039 --> 01:41:22.399
<v Speaker 28>Booking office to me, right, I know, Yeah, it's a booking.

2226
01:41:22.119 --> 01:41:24.399
<v Speaker 2>Office right next to the bedroom.

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01:41:24.880 --> 01:41:27.439
<v Speaker 12>Hey, I listen, Hey, if.

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01:41:27.399 --> 01:41:29.439
<v Speaker 28>You've seen the rest of there's a lot of depictures

2229
01:41:29.439 --> 01:41:31.439
<v Speaker 28>of the office, which.

2230
01:41:31.359 --> 01:41:39.800
<v Speaker 10>Was in what hotel is that in Minneapolis? It's right

2231
01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:42.399
<v Speaker 10>on the lake planning on checking that out too.

2232
01:41:44.279 --> 01:41:49.119
<v Speaker 2>That was just residential. Yeah, that was a hotel.

2233
01:41:50.520 --> 01:41:56.600
<v Speaker 10>Okay, So I think we've seen whole is right, and

2234
01:41:56.640 --> 01:41:58.439
<v Speaker 10>then these are just little offices.

2235
01:41:58.760 --> 01:42:02.640
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, there's there a basement. I think that is the

2236
01:42:02.680 --> 01:42:05.119
<v Speaker 12>basement that made okay, So.

2237
01:42:05.079 --> 01:42:06.920
<v Speaker 10>I think if it ever talks about the basement, I

2238
01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:07.600
<v Speaker 10>think it's oh so.

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01:42:07.640 --> 01:42:09.600
<v Speaker 14>I see so okay, So I see what you just

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01:42:09.640 --> 01:42:12.079
<v Speaker 14>because you and you're saying, right, there was a staircase,

2241
01:42:12.159 --> 01:42:15.239
<v Speaker 14>right or something. You're talking about stairs and something before

2242
01:42:15.279 --> 01:42:17.039
<v Speaker 14>to the top here, because this see definitely seems like

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01:42:17.039 --> 01:42:20.600
<v Speaker 14>obviously the main level of the house this area.

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01:42:20.560 --> 01:42:25.399
<v Speaker 31>And so yeah, I don't know exactly how like to

2245
01:42:25.439 --> 01:42:28.119
<v Speaker 31>what I said, they use like this rug door or

2246
01:42:28.359 --> 01:42:30.640
<v Speaker 31>but I think it's kind of confusing in that.

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01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:33.199
<v Speaker 10>I think because too that there's you can see there's

2248
01:42:33.239 --> 01:42:37.760
<v Speaker 10>kind of a walk up here, so like this is

2249
01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:39.760
<v Speaker 10>it's kind of built into the hill a little bit here, right,

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01:42:39.760 --> 01:42:40.840
<v Speaker 10>So this is also.

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01:42:40.920 --> 01:42:42.479
<v Speaker 12>Right right or right.

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01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:47.079
<v Speaker 10>That this is probably a kind of any.

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01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:51.000
<v Speaker 28>Sense, let's get into vern making and losing the house.

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01:42:51.079 --> 01:42:52.520
<v Speaker 29>That's a fascinating part of history.

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01:42:52.319 --> 01:42:55.760
<v Speaker 2>To us, as far as the the initiative to make

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01:42:55.800 --> 01:42:58.760
<v Speaker 2>this into a public amenity, to grant it to some

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01:42:58.880 --> 01:43:00.960
<v Speaker 2>degree what he had it was a park, right, I mean,

2258
01:43:01.079 --> 01:43:03.119
<v Speaker 2>ors this like truly all of his dominion and you.

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01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:05.199
<v Speaker 14>Couldn't be But I was one of the things that

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01:43:05.239 --> 01:43:08.319
<v Speaker 14>I was really curious about because is the best of

2261
01:43:08.319 --> 01:43:10.439
<v Speaker 14>your knowledge of it, if you know it all, who

2262
01:43:10.479 --> 01:43:11.520
<v Speaker 14>do you buy this property from?

2263
01:43:12.840 --> 01:43:16.640
<v Speaker 10>Oh, that's a great question. I can't remember for this

2264
01:43:16.760 --> 01:43:20.199
<v Speaker 10>exact parcel. Who we bought that from because again we're

2265
01:43:20.199 --> 01:43:23.279
<v Speaker 10>talking about the that's kind of a misconception of like

2266
01:43:23.359 --> 01:43:26.560
<v Speaker 10>there's the whole park did not belong to Vern, and

2267
01:43:26.600 --> 01:43:28.439
<v Speaker 10>so that happens at times too where they think about

2268
01:43:28.479 --> 01:43:31.239
<v Speaker 10>this whole park, all this land belonged to Vern. He

2269
01:43:31.319 --> 01:43:36.600
<v Speaker 10>owned I think eighty acres right, and so that you

2270
01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:38.960
<v Speaker 10>guys passed, there's like a historic house just up the hill,

2271
01:43:39.000 --> 01:43:41.479
<v Speaker 10>and you see like the ruins of that house. And

2272
01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:45.000
<v Speaker 10>so this land was all originally purchased. Again has this

2273
01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:47.760
<v Speaker 10>Dakota history going back, you know, one hundreds thousands of years.

2274
01:43:47.880 --> 01:43:50.000
<v Speaker 10>And then once all the land was surveyed in the

2275
01:43:50.039 --> 01:43:53.319
<v Speaker 10>eighteen fifties to be sold to settlers, a man named

2276
01:43:53.399 --> 01:43:56.840
<v Speaker 10>Joseph Schmid bought up all this land and the ruins

2277
01:43:56.880 --> 01:43:58.560
<v Speaker 10>of the house that he built in eighteen seventy six.

2278
01:43:58.600 --> 01:44:00.199
<v Speaker 10>You're still at the top of the hill, and that's

2279
01:44:00.199 --> 01:44:02.279
<v Speaker 10>where I talk about more than anything probably in this park,

2280
01:44:02.439 --> 01:44:04.319
<v Speaker 10>is his time on the land and the house that

2281
01:44:04.399 --> 01:44:06.720
<v Speaker 10>he built there on the field stones and the farming

2282
01:44:06.840 --> 01:44:08.760
<v Speaker 10>that he was doing. And his brother Benedict lived across

2283
01:44:08.800 --> 01:44:10.760
<v Speaker 10>the road. So I talked a lot about the Schmids

2284
01:44:10.800 --> 01:44:13.239
<v Speaker 10>and their long time here on the park, and then

2285
01:44:13.520 --> 01:44:17.479
<v Speaker 10>the Schmids sold the land part of it to a

2286
01:44:17.560 --> 01:44:21.720
<v Speaker 10>man named Ezura of Pavity. He had they started they

2287
01:44:21.720 --> 01:44:23.680
<v Speaker 10>had a summer cottage just kind of outside of the

2288
01:44:23.800 --> 01:44:26.720
<v Speaker 10>park boundary over here, and then started buying up land

2289
01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:30.439
<v Speaker 10>from Schmid and had like a nice kind of summer

2290
01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:34.800
<v Speaker 10>community like that out here. And then a man named

2291
01:44:34.840 --> 01:44:37.439
<v Speaker 10>Albert Loring started buying up all these parcels and so

2292
01:44:37.920 --> 01:44:40.159
<v Speaker 10>he a lot of people know, like local people know

2293
01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:43.239
<v Speaker 10>the name Louring because there's a park in Minneapolis named

2294
01:44:43.279 --> 01:44:47.359
<v Speaker 10>Louring Park, and that's named after Albert's father, Charles Luring,

2295
01:44:47.439 --> 01:44:50.560
<v Speaker 10>who he was the first they were big and involved

2296
01:44:50.560 --> 01:44:52.960
<v Speaker 10>in Minneapolis business. But then he was also the first

2297
01:44:54.119 --> 01:44:56.800
<v Speaker 10>board president for the Minneapolis Park Board, so he was

2298
01:44:57.199 --> 01:44:59.399
<v Speaker 10>involved in establishing a lot of parks and things like that,

2299
01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:02.920
<v Speaker 10>and so there's a park in Minneapolis named after his father.

2300
01:45:03.039 --> 01:45:05.680
<v Speaker 10>But Albert Mooring started buying up all this land around

2301
01:45:05.800 --> 01:45:09.319
<v Speaker 10>nineteen oh four so to build what we called like

2302
01:45:09.359 --> 01:45:11.720
<v Speaker 10>a gentleman's farm, like this big country estate with this

2303
01:45:11.880 --> 01:45:14.600
<v Speaker 10>massive farm, to try and make this like perfect operation,

2304
01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:17.439
<v Speaker 10>have the most impressive cows and then blue ribbons all

2305
01:45:17.479 --> 01:45:19.439
<v Speaker 10>that kind of stuff, and so he started buying up

2306
01:45:19.560 --> 01:45:21.920
<v Speaker 10>hundreds of acres on this land that we are now

2307
01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:23.560
<v Speaker 10>and then even north of us in what is now

2308
01:45:23.600 --> 01:45:25.800
<v Speaker 10>this neighborhood to make what he called the wood End

2309
01:45:25.960 --> 01:45:29.760
<v Speaker 10>Dairy Farm. So almost all this land was a part

2310
01:45:29.800 --> 01:45:33.520
<v Speaker 10>of that wood End Dairy Farm, and the Schmid house

2311
01:45:33.560 --> 01:45:36.680
<v Speaker 10>that's over there that became kind of like a rental

2312
01:45:37.359 --> 01:45:39.840
<v Speaker 10>unit for some of his farm workers could move in there.

2313
01:45:40.199 --> 01:45:42.680
<v Speaker 10>And then he built this awesome house on the other

2314
01:45:42.920 --> 01:45:46.359
<v Speaker 10>what's just outside the park over there, and had this

2315
01:45:46.640 --> 01:45:49.520
<v Speaker 10>magnificent farm that we can still see signs of today.

2316
01:45:49.520 --> 01:45:51.520
<v Speaker 10>You can find like the really nice fence posts out

2317
01:45:51.520 --> 01:45:52.880
<v Speaker 10>of the woods and stuff like that. And so this

2318
01:45:53.039 --> 01:45:55.680
<v Speaker 10>was a part of that property that started to get

2319
01:45:55.720 --> 01:45:59.760
<v Speaker 10>parceled out as he passed that on to his daughter

2320
01:45:59.840 --> 01:46:02.199
<v Speaker 10>and son in law. They took over the farm and

2321
01:46:02.359 --> 01:46:05.399
<v Speaker 10>they got outside. They kind of left the dairy farming

2322
01:46:05.399 --> 01:46:07.640
<v Speaker 10>a little bit and went into more of like all

2323
01:46:07.720 --> 01:46:11.000
<v Speaker 10>kinds of things, turkeys, pigs, bullfrogs. For a while in

2324
01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:12.439
<v Speaker 10>one of the ponds they were doing some of that stuff,

2325
01:46:12.439 --> 01:46:14.800
<v Speaker 10>and then they really got into like sporting dogs, like

2326
01:46:14.960 --> 01:46:17.520
<v Speaker 10>training like you know, shooting dogs and hunting dogs, and

2327
01:46:17.680 --> 01:46:20.119
<v Speaker 10>had an own candel operation and stuff, and then they

2328
01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:21.399
<v Speaker 10>started selling off some of the stuff.

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01:46:21.479 --> 01:46:23.119
<v Speaker 2>So his daughter was.

2330
01:46:25.279 --> 01:46:27.359
<v Speaker 10>His wife and daughter were into gardening, so they always

2331
01:46:27.359 --> 01:46:31.239
<v Speaker 10>had really nice greenhouses and really nice planting. So part

2332
01:46:31.319 --> 01:46:33.640
<v Speaker 10>of what is now the park again that wasn't owned

2333
01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:36.560
<v Speaker 10>by Vernie, it was the parcel next to his, was

2334
01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:41.399
<v Speaker 10>then purchased by there's a big flower and nursery company

2335
01:46:41.439 --> 01:46:44.720
<v Speaker 10>here locally called Bachman's, and they bought it up as

2336
01:46:44.760 --> 01:46:47.479
<v Speaker 10>like a second location because it had all these fantastic

2337
01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:49.880
<v Speaker 10>greenhouses and so they were using it as a nursery location.

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01:46:50.079 --> 01:46:52.920
<v Speaker 28>So this was not like some of like Lakeside in

2339
01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:54.399
<v Speaker 28>the Tree like leisure.

2340
01:46:54.520 --> 01:46:56.960
<v Speaker 2>This was like commercial almost. I mean you had dairy

2341
01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:00.640
<v Speaker 2>farms working a little bit. Yeah, it looked like I'm sure,

2342
01:47:00.760 --> 01:47:03.520
<v Speaker 2>but it seemed like it was owned by It wasn't

2343
01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:06.119
<v Speaker 2>like owned by but it was private individuals who owned it.

2344
01:47:06.199 --> 01:47:08.680
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like owned by the city or a state

2345
01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:09.079
<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

2346
01:47:09.199 --> 01:47:09.960
<v Speaker 10>Private ownership.

2347
01:47:10.039 --> 01:47:11.880
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, So that's kind kind of yeah.

2348
01:47:12.760 --> 01:47:15.840
<v Speaker 10>And so the organization I work for Three Rivers Park District,

2349
01:47:16.560 --> 01:47:18.159
<v Speaker 10>I guess maybe should have started with this, but we're

2350
01:47:18.399 --> 01:47:21.359
<v Speaker 10>a regional parks system and I think you guys maybe

2351
01:47:21.399 --> 01:47:23.119
<v Speaker 10>have this out East more, we're like what's called a

2352
01:47:23.159 --> 01:47:26.199
<v Speaker 10>special park district, and so we're not we're bigger than

2353
01:47:26.239 --> 01:47:28.079
<v Speaker 10>the county, but we're smaller than like a state level

2354
01:47:28.079 --> 01:47:30.560
<v Speaker 10>park district. So we're the only one like it in Minnesota. Really,

2355
01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:34.119
<v Speaker 10>we're technically what the state legislature calls a special park district,

2356
01:47:35.319 --> 01:47:38.760
<v Speaker 10>and so we operate twenty seven thousand acres of parks

2357
01:47:38.800 --> 01:47:42.199
<v Speaker 10>and trails, which is a lot of lands. So it's

2358
01:47:42.359 --> 01:47:46.159
<v Speaker 10>it's a lot, and it's a huge park system when

2359
01:47:46.199 --> 01:47:48.199
<v Speaker 10>you think of like a regional park. So we're outside.

2360
01:47:48.199 --> 01:47:49.920
<v Speaker 10>We're in Hennepin County right now, so we have a

2361
01:47:49.960 --> 01:47:51.720
<v Speaker 10>lot of parks in Hennepin County, but we also have

2362
01:47:51.800 --> 01:47:54.600
<v Speaker 10>parks in Carver County and Scott County, and we operate

2363
01:47:54.680 --> 01:47:58.000
<v Speaker 10>more parks for Scott County. Anyways, big park system, and

2364
01:47:58.640 --> 01:47:59.840
<v Speaker 10>so a lot of what I do is telling the

2365
01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:02.479
<v Speaker 10>history of that land and across all of our parks,

2366
01:48:02.520 --> 01:48:04.920
<v Speaker 10>doing history hikes, talking about what used to be here

2367
01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:06.600
<v Speaker 10>and how it became a park and all that stuff.

2368
01:48:06.640 --> 01:48:07.960
<v Speaker 10>So this is one of my favorite parks to do

2369
01:48:08.239 --> 01:48:10.720
<v Speaker 10>that at because there's a ton of history right here

2370
01:48:10.840 --> 01:48:14.359
<v Speaker 10>in Lake Minnetonka. We're now called three of us Park

2371
01:48:14.399 --> 01:48:17.800
<v Speaker 10>District because all of our land is ultimately within the

2372
01:48:17.880 --> 01:48:21.600
<v Speaker 10>watersheds of these three rivers, the Mississippi, the Minnesota, and

2373
01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:24.319
<v Speaker 10>the Crow River is the third one. And but before

2374
01:48:24.399 --> 01:48:26.039
<v Speaker 10>that we had a couple of different names. But you'll

2375
01:48:26.039 --> 01:48:29.199
<v Speaker 10>see it as like Hennepin Parks system yep. So that's

2376
01:48:29.319 --> 01:48:32.399
<v Speaker 10>sometimes people still say that. You don't hear it as

2377
01:48:32.399 --> 01:48:34.520
<v Speaker 10>often anymore, but especially if you're talking about again it

2378
01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:36.319
<v Speaker 10>shows up in the burn Gania stuff because we were

2379
01:48:36.359 --> 01:48:37.279
<v Speaker 10>Hennepen parks.

2380
01:48:37.039 --> 01:48:39.199
<v Speaker 12>When all of this it was worded, it was like the.

2381
01:48:40.680 --> 01:48:46.680
<v Speaker 10>Suburban had been yeah, parks something like that. We did

2382
01:48:46.680 --> 01:48:50.039
<v Speaker 10>a couple of name changes I think landed on three rivers,

2383
01:48:50.039 --> 01:48:50.880
<v Speaker 10>which is a little catch here.

2384
01:48:52.079 --> 01:48:52.399
<v Speaker 12>And so.

2385
01:48:54.119 --> 01:48:58.600
<v Speaker 10>Our organization started back in the fifties when there was

2386
01:48:58.640 --> 01:49:01.600
<v Speaker 10>this you know, post World War to suburbanization boom happening

2387
01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:03.840
<v Speaker 10>in the area, and there was a dream for it

2388
01:49:04.039 --> 01:49:06.279
<v Speaker 10>like fifty years before that, even to like, hey, we

2389
01:49:06.319 --> 01:49:09.119
<v Speaker 10>should have this larger park system outside of Minneapolis, outside

2390
01:49:09.159 --> 01:49:11.960
<v Speaker 10>of Saint Paul, where we're preserving some of this land

2391
01:49:12.920 --> 01:49:15.720
<v Speaker 10>that will be developed quickly. And so then after the

2392
01:49:15.880 --> 01:49:19.039
<v Speaker 10>suburbanization boom of the nineteen fifties, they formed the Special

2393
01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:21.399
<v Speaker 10>Park District to start buying up large park reserves and

2394
01:49:21.439 --> 01:49:24.319
<v Speaker 10>set aside that land. So they started with like looking

2395
01:49:24.359 --> 01:49:26.520
<v Speaker 10>at park reserves that were like thousands of acres. So

2396
01:49:27.199 --> 01:49:29.720
<v Speaker 10>I right across the road is Carver Park Reserve. That's

2397
01:49:29.720 --> 01:49:32.680
<v Speaker 10>all those ones where it's three seven hundred acres of

2398
01:49:32.880 --> 01:49:35.039
<v Speaker 10>land in one big park reserve. So they started buying

2399
01:49:35.119 --> 01:49:37.600
<v Speaker 10>up big things like that, and after they accomplished that,

2400
01:49:37.640 --> 01:49:40.439
<v Speaker 10>they started looking more at like regional parks, like areas

2401
01:49:40.439 --> 01:49:43.600
<v Speaker 10>where we're not serving or where there's smaller parts of

2402
01:49:43.680 --> 01:49:45.399
<v Speaker 10>land that might be more expensive like on a per

2403
01:49:45.479 --> 01:49:47.520
<v Speaker 10>acre basis, but we still want to have a park there.

2404
01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:51.520
<v Speaker 10>And so they started doing that. And then at some

2405
01:49:51.640 --> 01:49:53.479
<v Speaker 10>point when they're looking at the map and they're like

2406
01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:55.920
<v Speaker 10>looking at, hey, where do people in this area want

2407
01:49:55.960 --> 01:49:59.239
<v Speaker 10>to do recreation? And where are we serving? And Lake

2408
01:49:59.319 --> 01:50:03.960
<v Speaker 10>Minnetonka just had almost no public land on it. It's

2409
01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:06.560
<v Speaker 10>it's it's so much all.

2410
01:50:06.439 --> 01:50:08.479
<v Speaker 2>Public and vern had a little private slice that you

2411
01:50:08.520 --> 01:50:09.680
<v Speaker 2>had to just get them out of the lafe, so

2412
01:50:09.800 --> 01:50:11.399
<v Speaker 2>to speak, to connect.

2413
01:50:11.119 --> 01:50:14.279
<v Speaker 10>Them, no other way around completely, so it's it's almost

2414
01:50:14.319 --> 01:50:16.560
<v Speaker 10>all privately owned. There's a few like boat launches and

2415
01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:20.119
<v Speaker 10>stuff that cities operate. I mean, the lake itself is public, right,

2416
01:50:20.119 --> 01:50:21.600
<v Speaker 10>you can launch your ride and go around. It's not

2417
01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:23.720
<v Speaker 10>a private lake. But there's so much private ownership of

2418
01:50:23.800 --> 01:50:26.560
<v Speaker 10>these parcels that get smaller and smaller all around the lake.

2419
01:50:26.720 --> 01:50:28.800
<v Speaker 10>And of course the property value of all this is

2420
01:50:28.840 --> 01:50:32.000
<v Speaker 10>going up, and so they wanted to have some kind

2421
01:50:32.039 --> 01:50:34.600
<v Speaker 10>of a park, a public park on Lake Minetaka. And

2422
01:50:34.640 --> 01:50:36.239
<v Speaker 10>so this is where it gets kind of complicated to

2423
01:50:36.399 --> 01:50:40.399
<v Speaker 10>where there's like, okay, in the Twin Cities, we have

2424
01:50:41.600 --> 01:50:43.680
<v Speaker 10>the met Council, it's called so that shows up in

2425
01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:46.520
<v Speaker 10>the book as well. So it's like, man, it's already

2426
01:50:46.520 --> 01:50:48.479
<v Speaker 10>even explained. This is part of like the story gets

2427
01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:50.520
<v Speaker 10>like kind of condensed down to make it a good story.

2428
01:50:50.880 --> 01:50:53.079
<v Speaker 10>You start talking about like okay, let me like walk

2429
01:50:53.119 --> 01:50:56.279
<v Speaker 10>you through these regional government most people are like, okay,

2430
01:50:57.399 --> 01:50:57.960
<v Speaker 10>just the heel.

2431
01:50:57.760 --> 01:50:58.119
<v Speaker 12>I don't get.

2432
01:51:00.399 --> 01:51:06.920
<v Speaker 10>So you look at these regional parks or regional government things.

2433
01:51:06.960 --> 01:51:09.279
<v Speaker 10>So there's the State of Minnesota, and then there's this

2434
01:51:09.399 --> 01:51:11.640
<v Speaker 10>appointed board that's the Met Council, and they operate a

2435
01:51:11.680 --> 01:51:13.720
<v Speaker 10>lot of the regional parks, or at least provide guidance

2436
01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:16.479
<v Speaker 10>to the regional park agencies like US on like the

2437
01:51:16.520 --> 01:51:18.399
<v Speaker 10>types of like the region. The idea is to look

2438
01:51:18.399 --> 01:51:21.479
<v Speaker 10>at it is on a regional level of so they

2439
01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:24.239
<v Speaker 10>plan things like like water treatment and sewage and stuff

2440
01:51:24.279 --> 01:51:26.199
<v Speaker 10>like that as well as parks to make sure like

2441
01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:28.840
<v Speaker 10>it's working as a region. And so we work with

2442
01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:31.039
<v Speaker 10>them on planning new parks and things like that. So

2443
01:51:31.159 --> 01:51:32.920
<v Speaker 10>our park plans we have to have a master plan

2444
01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:34.880
<v Speaker 10>that goes to them and all that kind of stuff.

2445
01:51:34.960 --> 01:51:37.680
<v Speaker 10>So there was a lot of different moving parts looking

2446
01:51:37.720 --> 01:51:39.960
<v Speaker 10>at we need to have a park on Lake Bennetaka

2447
01:51:40.159 --> 01:51:42.279
<v Speaker 10>in this area. So then you start looking at and

2448
01:51:42.399 --> 01:51:46.000
<v Speaker 10>this was beginning in like the early eighties maybe eighty

2449
01:51:46.039 --> 01:51:47.960
<v Speaker 10>one is when they first started looking at you needed

2450
01:51:48.039 --> 01:51:50.239
<v Speaker 10>to have something here. And then well, first then you

2451
01:51:50.279 --> 01:51:52.680
<v Speaker 10>start to look at water areas that aren't super developed

2452
01:51:52.680 --> 01:51:56.239
<v Speaker 10>because you don't want to buy, you know, twenty mansions

2453
01:51:56.520 --> 01:51:59.159
<v Speaker 10>and then demolish them to make a park that's a

2454
01:51:59.239 --> 01:52:01.920
<v Speaker 10>tiny little park. What you want big land that's not developed.

2455
01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:04.359
<v Speaker 10>And so this area was pretty undeveloped at that time

2456
01:52:04.399 --> 01:52:07.079
<v Speaker 10>again because it had been kept as a farm and

2457
01:52:07.560 --> 01:52:09.159
<v Speaker 10>most of the area west of us that was like

2458
01:52:09.199 --> 01:52:12.600
<v Speaker 10>that ed Paul's property was completely undeveloped, and so that

2459
01:52:13.079 --> 01:52:14.880
<v Speaker 10>stood out right away up like, he, here's where we

2460
01:52:14.920 --> 01:52:19.000
<v Speaker 10>could have a big park with frontage. Not just here,

2461
01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:21.560
<v Speaker 10>we're on Smithtown Bay right over here, but the park

2462
01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:24.319
<v Speaker 10>goes across the road over there and then has frontage

2463
01:52:24.399 --> 01:52:26.680
<v Speaker 10>on caled Halstead Bay, which is another bay over there,

2464
01:52:27.760 --> 01:52:30.159
<v Speaker 10>So we could have land on both of those bays.

2465
01:52:30.199 --> 01:52:34.079
<v Speaker 10>That's this contiguous park. It looked really good, and so

2466
01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:38.680
<v Speaker 10>then you start going through this long process of making offers.

2467
01:52:39.239 --> 01:52:41.720
<v Speaker 10>So they also had to, like, man, it's hard to explain.

2468
01:52:41.760 --> 01:52:45.279
<v Speaker 10>It's this like slow process of trying to like talk

2469
01:52:45.359 --> 01:52:46.600
<v Speaker 10>to landowners and make.

2470
01:52:46.520 --> 01:52:48.800
<v Speaker 2>An ardercause they have a right to be paid for

2471
01:52:48.880 --> 01:52:52.800
<v Speaker 2>the land. Yet there's also that that sort of leverage

2472
01:52:52.800 --> 01:52:53.760
<v Speaker 2>of the eminent name power.

2473
01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:57.800
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, and so most like the vast majority of park

2474
01:52:57.880 --> 01:53:01.279
<v Speaker 10>land that was acquired to become Crevers Park was from

2475
01:53:01.319 --> 01:53:03.640
<v Speaker 10>a willing seller where they say, hey, we're building a

2476
01:53:03.680 --> 01:53:05.399
<v Speaker 10>park in this area. We'd love to buy your farm

2477
01:53:05.479 --> 01:53:07.319
<v Speaker 10>and make it into a park. We're gonna pay, we'll

2478
01:53:07.319 --> 01:53:08.760
<v Speaker 10>have it to praise and pay you what it's worth.

2479
01:53:08.840 --> 01:53:11.680
<v Speaker 10>And then oh sure, let's get a lot. And the

2480
01:53:11.760 --> 01:53:13.439
<v Speaker 10>timing of it is kind of key to where at

2481
01:53:13.479 --> 01:53:14.840
<v Speaker 10>that time there were a lot of people that were

2482
01:53:14.920 --> 01:53:17.840
<v Speaker 10>leaving farming as operating a small farm became less and

2483
01:53:17.960 --> 01:53:19.840
<v Speaker 10>less viable, where they're like, oh am, I going to

2484
01:53:19.880 --> 01:53:21.600
<v Speaker 10>get out of this farm, and I don't have enough

2485
01:53:21.640 --> 01:53:24.039
<v Speaker 10>to buy on that makes a lot of sense. Coming

2486
01:53:24.119 --> 01:53:25.720
<v Speaker 10>to pay you what it's worth. This is my chance

2487
01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:27.159
<v Speaker 10>to get it. So exactly just started with.

2488
01:53:27.119 --> 01:53:27.680
<v Speaker 29>Every single one.

2489
01:53:27.720 --> 01:53:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I thought, yes, but that's that makes a ton

2490
01:53:30.560 --> 01:53:32.119
<v Speaker 2>of sense, and that people were already looking for an

2491
01:53:32.119 --> 01:53:32.520
<v Speaker 2>exit plan.

2492
01:53:32.560 --> 01:53:35.960
<v Speaker 29>It's getting harder to make a big, big profit in farming.

2493
01:53:36.079 --> 01:53:38.119
<v Speaker 10>And so that's again we operate twenty seven thousand acres

2494
01:53:38.119 --> 01:53:39.800
<v Speaker 10>and this we're talking about eighty acres of that right now.

2495
01:53:39.800 --> 01:53:42.119
<v Speaker 10>So of course that isn't the story for her, Yeah, right,

2496
01:53:42.159 --> 01:53:44.600
<v Speaker 10>of course. And so then you look at these property owners, Hey,

2497
01:53:44.720 --> 01:53:47.000
<v Speaker 10>we're interested in making a park here. And so this

2498
01:53:47.079 --> 01:53:49.439
<v Speaker 10>is this long process of being in conversation because even

2499
01:53:49.479 --> 01:53:53.560
<v Speaker 10>before they're like making offers and stuff, they're doing community

2500
01:53:54.319 --> 01:53:55.960
<v Speaker 10>like town halls, like talking with me and you're like,

2501
01:53:56.119 --> 01:53:57.520
<v Speaker 10>do you want to park here? What would you want

2502
01:53:57.560 --> 01:54:00.760
<v Speaker 10>in the park? Things like that, and then you also

2503
01:54:00.880 --> 01:54:02.840
<v Speaker 10>have to talk to like the municipalities. You're talking to

2504
01:54:02.920 --> 01:54:04.920
<v Speaker 10>the city of Minnetrista and you're talking to the county,

2505
01:54:05.000 --> 01:54:07.720
<v Speaker 10>which is different than the parks, like the counterparks, they're separate.

2506
01:54:07.760 --> 01:54:08.560
<v Speaker 29>Everyone has to say.

2507
01:54:08.640 --> 01:54:11.319
<v Speaker 10>So you're talking through all of their standing in Minichesta, right, yeah,

2508
01:54:11.319 --> 01:54:14.359
<v Speaker 10>we're in Miniatrista, Minesola yea. And so the other thing

2509
01:54:14.560 --> 01:54:17.199
<v Speaker 10>again one of the misconceptions, I think that to tell

2510
01:54:17.279 --> 01:54:20.119
<v Speaker 10>a good story, it often is told as if like

2511
01:54:20.880 --> 01:54:22.479
<v Speaker 10>Verne just woke up one day and was having his

2512
01:54:22.560 --> 01:54:24.560
<v Speaker 10>coffee and then like some government suit came up and said,

2513
01:54:24.640 --> 01:54:25.880
<v Speaker 10>pack up your stuff, we're taking.

2514
01:54:25.720 --> 01:54:26.039
<v Speaker 12>The right in.

2515
01:54:26.600 --> 01:54:29.279
<v Speaker 10>It was this long, like years and years and years

2516
01:54:29.319 --> 01:54:31.119
<v Speaker 10>of conversations.

2517
01:54:30.560 --> 01:54:32.439
<v Speaker 29>With vern At first he seemed to be open to it.

2518
01:54:32.680 --> 01:54:35.119
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, right, he was open to it. And then but

2519
01:54:37.800 --> 01:54:39.279
<v Speaker 12>you know, I'll let you you tell it because I

2520
01:54:39.439 --> 01:54:39.960
<v Speaker 12>have a question.

2521
01:54:40.399 --> 01:54:41.720
<v Speaker 14>Well, I was just gonna say because it seemed like

2522
01:54:42.159 --> 01:54:44.680
<v Speaker 14>I I The part that really stood out to me

2523
01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:47.319
<v Speaker 14>is because we actually we read it, we recorded, we read.

2524
01:54:47.199 --> 01:54:49.760
<v Speaker 28>It, were getting brushed up.

2525
01:54:49.800 --> 01:54:50.439
<v Speaker 12>Yeah. Yeah.

2526
01:54:51.239 --> 01:54:55.760
<v Speaker 14>The part that really kind of was where that money

2527
01:54:55.840 --> 01:55:00.319
<v Speaker 14>for me is. Minitrista turned it down. But then the

2528
01:55:00.399 --> 01:55:04.239
<v Speaker 14>parks department, the three rivers kept pushing for it after

2529
01:55:04.279 --> 01:55:08.560
<v Speaker 14>it was turned down, and that to me then becomes like, oh,

2530
01:55:08.640 --> 01:55:09.880
<v Speaker 14>you're forcing this saw these people.

2531
01:55:09.920 --> 01:55:12.239
<v Speaker 12>But I don't know if that's correct or not, if

2532
01:55:12.279 --> 01:55:13.239
<v Speaker 12>that's how it happened.

2533
01:55:13.600 --> 01:55:15.600
<v Speaker 10>But a little bit when you look at so this

2534
01:55:15.800 --> 01:55:19.439
<v Speaker 10>is with there's an activity I did once where you

2535
01:55:19.520 --> 01:55:20.840
<v Speaker 10>looked at like, Okay, let's say you've got this one

2536
01:55:20.880 --> 01:55:23.399
<v Speaker 10>hundred acre piece of land that has been mostly undeveloped,

2537
01:55:23.439 --> 01:55:28.159
<v Speaker 10>say it's one house, and then the landowner is selling

2538
01:55:28.239 --> 01:55:30.520
<v Speaker 10>it to the city or whatever, and you go look at, okay, well,

2539
01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:32.079
<v Speaker 10>what are we going to do with this land? And

2540
01:55:32.159 --> 01:55:33.680
<v Speaker 10>we did an activity where there were almost been twenty

2541
01:55:33.680 --> 01:55:35.079
<v Speaker 10>of us in the room and everybody was giving like

2542
01:55:35.079 --> 01:55:37.399
<v Speaker 10>a different stakeholder card, right, and then you have to

2543
01:55:37.520 --> 01:55:39.199
<v Speaker 10>advocate for what you want to happen to that land.

2544
01:55:39.239 --> 01:55:40.520
<v Speaker 10>So you might get a card and say like you're

2545
01:55:40.800 --> 01:55:42.399
<v Speaker 10>you're like a you're a bird person, like you just

2546
01:55:42.439 --> 01:55:44.039
<v Speaker 10>want habitat for birds, and so I want a one

2547
01:55:44.079 --> 01:55:47.079
<v Speaker 10>hundred acre bird preserve. But then you have somebody else

2548
01:55:47.159 --> 01:55:49.680
<v Speaker 10>that they want a playground for the kids in neighborhood,

2549
01:55:49.680 --> 01:55:51.319
<v Speaker 10>so they want a playground, And then you have somebody

2550
01:55:51.319 --> 01:55:53.680
<v Speaker 10>else that's like, well, we need more housing in the area.

2551
01:55:53.720 --> 01:55:55.479
<v Speaker 10>We want to build housing. And then you have a

2552
01:55:55.600 --> 01:55:58.359
<v Speaker 10>common thing with like the city as of a government

2553
01:55:58.399 --> 01:56:01.000
<v Speaker 10>a lot of times is the tax ban, right, so

2554
01:56:01.079 --> 01:56:03.680
<v Speaker 10>like we want it to be build them all there,

2555
01:56:03.840 --> 01:56:05.399
<v Speaker 10>put more housing, like all these things they are going

2556
01:56:05.439 --> 01:56:07.039
<v Speaker 10>to pay into the task space because that's why I've

2557
01:56:07.039 --> 01:56:08.920
<v Speaker 10>ever wanted. And so you have all these kind of

2558
01:56:08.920 --> 01:56:10.960
<v Speaker 10>competing interests. And so I think that plays out in

2559
01:56:11.000 --> 01:56:14.079
<v Speaker 10>a way here too, where you have neighbors that are

2560
01:56:14.199 --> 01:56:17.199
<v Speaker 10>like living in this most of the wood End farm

2561
01:56:17.279 --> 01:56:20.359
<v Speaker 10>that we talked about had already been converted into housing development.

2562
01:56:20.760 --> 01:56:23.000
<v Speaker 10>So there's people living in a neighborhood over here, wood

2563
01:56:23.039 --> 01:56:25.600
<v Speaker 10>End Shores, I think it's called. And they didn't want

2564
01:56:26.199 --> 01:56:27.600
<v Speaker 10>a park right next to them because like, well, it's

2565
01:56:27.640 --> 01:56:31.000
<v Speaker 10>going to be loud, it's going to get there. Today's

2566
01:56:31.039 --> 01:56:32.479
<v Speaker 10>not a busy day because it's a rainy day, but

2567
01:56:32.600 --> 01:56:35.640
<v Speaker 10>like on a nice summer day, there's hundreds of people

2568
01:56:35.640 --> 01:56:37.399
<v Speaker 10>in this park, at the playground, at the swim pond

2569
01:56:37.520 --> 01:56:40.039
<v Speaker 10>at like and so they didn't want, you know, and

2570
01:56:40.079 --> 01:56:42.279
<v Speaker 10>then the boat launch getting really busy if people coming

2571
01:56:42.279 --> 01:56:43.760
<v Speaker 10>to lunch folks, So they didn't want all the noise

2572
01:56:43.800 --> 01:56:45.960
<v Speaker 10>in the traffic like a public park wouldrank. So that

2573
01:56:46.279 --> 01:56:48.079
<v Speaker 10>some of the neighbors opposed it because they didn't want

2574
01:56:48.119 --> 01:56:50.800
<v Speaker 10>this big regional park in the area. And then I

2575
01:56:50.880 --> 01:56:53.159
<v Speaker 10>think that the city again part of their thing is,

2576
01:56:53.680 --> 01:56:55.479
<v Speaker 10>you know, well, it's not in an area. It's right

2577
01:56:55.520 --> 01:56:57.039
<v Speaker 10>on the edge of Minatrista. So it's not like it's

2578
01:56:57.039 --> 01:56:58.439
<v Speaker 10>going to bring in a whole lot of business to

2579
01:56:58.560 --> 01:57:01.479
<v Speaker 10>like where the businesses are just to there's a.

2580
01:57:01.520 --> 01:57:01.880
<v Speaker 18>Ton of them.

2581
01:57:02.439 --> 01:57:04.479
<v Speaker 10>And then it's and you're talking about hundreds of acres.

2582
01:57:04.520 --> 01:57:06.159
<v Speaker 10>Then for the whole part that's not going to be

2583
01:57:06.199 --> 01:57:08.079
<v Speaker 10>paying into the tax base.

2584
01:57:09.199 --> 01:57:11.720
<v Speaker 14>The lakes in two counties, right, isn't is it like

2585
01:57:11.800 --> 01:57:14.319
<v Speaker 14>in two counties? I think it's all just within head

2586
01:57:14.359 --> 01:57:14.960
<v Speaker 14>Been County.

2587
01:57:16.279 --> 01:57:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Two.

2588
01:57:16.880 --> 01:57:19.640
<v Speaker 10>It's we're real close. So across the road when you

2589
01:57:19.680 --> 01:57:22.760
<v Speaker 10>guys came to don think Highway seven h on your

2590
01:57:22.840 --> 01:57:26.000
<v Speaker 10>right is Hennapa County on the leftist carb County right edge.

2591
01:57:26.119 --> 01:57:27.840
<v Speaker 12>Okay, So that's okay.

2592
01:57:27.960 --> 01:57:30.000
<v Speaker 10>So I think the city was against it for that reason,

2593
01:57:30.039 --> 01:57:32.319
<v Speaker 10>but composed other parks like maybe not here, but maybe

2594
01:57:32.319 --> 01:57:34.399
<v Speaker 10>you go to somewhere else, you know that works better

2595
01:57:34.560 --> 01:57:37.319
<v Speaker 10>for us. And so there's this long negotiation process, and

2596
01:57:37.399 --> 01:57:42.600
<v Speaker 10>then you have h there were people on that Crane

2597
01:57:42.680 --> 01:57:45.279
<v Speaker 10>Island that we talked about earlier, that's all private homes

2598
01:57:45.319 --> 01:57:47.159
<v Speaker 10>over there. They were kind of worried about, like, oh,

2599
01:57:47.159 --> 01:57:49.199
<v Speaker 10>are they going to come for our island next? And

2600
01:57:49.279 --> 01:57:51.640
<v Speaker 10>so they formed like a historic districts to protect their

2601
01:57:51.720 --> 01:57:53.680
<v Speaker 10>homes over there. And so there was I think a

2602
01:57:53.720 --> 01:57:57.159
<v Speaker 10>lot of just kind of you know, swirling kind of

2603
01:57:57.279 --> 01:57:59.279
<v Speaker 10>anxieties about what this was bringing and what it meant.

2604
01:57:59.319 --> 01:58:00.880
<v Speaker 10>And at the same time, you these property owners that

2605
01:58:00.920 --> 01:58:02.600
<v Speaker 10>are kind of waiting to see like, well, what is this,

2606
01:58:02.800 --> 01:58:05.560
<v Speaker 10>what does this mean for me? And so again there

2607
01:58:05.600 --> 01:58:08.079
<v Speaker 10>were a lot of conversations even before like really formal

2608
01:58:08.159 --> 01:58:12.520
<v Speaker 10>conversations began. Vern definitely knew that because beginning in the

2609
01:58:12.560 --> 01:58:14.319
<v Speaker 10>eighties they were already like talking about it on a

2610
01:58:14.399 --> 01:58:16.399
<v Speaker 10>state level, and they had to pass like a state

2611
01:58:16.479 --> 01:58:19.600
<v Speaker 10>law to appropriate money because the state is going to

2612
01:58:19.640 --> 01:58:21.800
<v Speaker 10>pay actually for to build the park, so it wouldn't

2613
01:58:21.840 --> 01:58:25.239
<v Speaker 10>just fall on the taxpayers of like the Hennepin Park

2614
01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:27.439
<v Speaker 10>System to pay for it all. And so there was

2615
01:58:27.680 --> 01:58:28.960
<v Speaker 10>a lot of this kind of swirling of how do

2616
01:58:29.039 --> 01:58:31.279
<v Speaker 10>we make it happen. The met councils involved, the states involved,

2617
01:58:31.279 --> 01:58:34.119
<v Speaker 10>the county park systems involved, and so Verne was in

2618
01:58:34.159 --> 01:58:37.319
<v Speaker 10>the know, like so even there's in our records, I was,

2619
01:58:37.520 --> 01:58:39.159
<v Speaker 10>you know, preparing for this little bit, and there's a

2620
01:58:39.239 --> 01:58:42.239
<v Speaker 10>great memo in there from these kind of like our

2621
01:58:42.319 --> 01:58:45.399
<v Speaker 10>land acquisition guy at the time. And so he had

2622
01:58:45.640 --> 01:58:48.119
<v Speaker 10>I guess a voicemail from Vern and then he replied

2623
01:58:48.199 --> 01:58:50.079
<v Speaker 10>to he called him back, and then he wrote a

2624
01:58:50.159 --> 01:58:54.760
<v Speaker 10>memo about his phone conversation with Verne and they and

2625
01:58:54.840 --> 01:58:56.640
<v Speaker 10>what they talked about, and he talked him through. You know,

2626
01:58:56.760 --> 01:58:57.520
<v Speaker 10>Vern said, well, you.

2627
01:58:57.520 --> 01:58:58.439
<v Speaker 3>Know, what do I do now?

2628
01:58:58.520 --> 01:59:00.760
<v Speaker 10>Like you guys have kind of identified this, like what

2629
01:59:00.880 --> 01:59:02.399
<v Speaker 10>do we do? Like what do you think my land

2630
01:59:02.479 --> 01:59:07.119
<v Speaker 10>is worth? And so you know, you know, the employee said,

2631
01:59:07.159 --> 01:59:09.000
<v Speaker 10>you know, like, well, yeah, I could give you a ballpark,

2632
01:59:09.039 --> 01:59:10.600
<v Speaker 10>but like you you do an appraisal for that. I

2633
01:59:10.600 --> 01:59:12.039
<v Speaker 10>can give you a ballpark if I think it's maybe

2634
01:59:12.079 --> 01:59:13.880
<v Speaker 10>worth this much. But he said, like if you're if

2635
01:59:13.920 --> 01:59:15.560
<v Speaker 10>you're not interested in kind of going through the whole

2636
01:59:15.600 --> 01:59:17.680
<v Speaker 10>process and seeing what it might mean right now at

2637
01:59:17.720 --> 01:59:19.279
<v Speaker 10>this point, if you if you want to sell it,

2638
01:59:19.279 --> 01:59:20.920
<v Speaker 10>if you've got a will e seller, you should just

2639
01:59:20.920 --> 01:59:22.399
<v Speaker 10>sell it right now if you want and then you

2640
01:59:22.399 --> 01:59:24.000
<v Speaker 10>wouldn't have to deal with any of this and kind

2641
01:59:24.039 --> 01:59:25.920
<v Speaker 10>of that was the intent of that. And then he

2642
01:59:26.039 --> 01:59:28.399
<v Speaker 10>was asking about you know, vern Ast, you know what

2643
01:59:28.520 --> 01:59:30.479
<v Speaker 10>did jer invasion get for?

2644
01:59:31.840 --> 01:59:34.159
<v Speaker 12>So sell it property to somebody else and then they

2645
01:59:34.279 --> 01:59:35.640
<v Speaker 12>deal with the parks.

2646
01:59:35.880 --> 01:59:38.319
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, yeah, because at that point there wasn't like the

2647
01:59:38.439 --> 01:59:41.520
<v Speaker 10>negotiations hadn't really started, so like was to sell.

2648
01:59:41.439 --> 01:59:42.840
<v Speaker 2>His property an interested buyer.

2649
01:59:43.000 --> 01:59:44.760
<v Speaker 29>If there's an interested buyer, you should sell it.

2650
01:59:44.840 --> 01:59:46.920
<v Speaker 10>Oh yeah yeah, so yeah, so if you want to

2651
01:59:46.920 --> 01:59:48.359
<v Speaker 10>sell the land, you just go ahead and sell it

2652
01:59:48.439 --> 01:59:49.319
<v Speaker 10>for what you think it's worth.

2653
01:59:49.520 --> 01:59:51.239
<v Speaker 2>When you don't have to worry, you do you infer

2654
01:59:51.359 --> 01:59:53.880
<v Speaker 2>from that that there was actually interest in vern from

2655
01:59:54.000 --> 01:59:55.640
<v Speaker 2>vern to sell it to another private individual.

2656
01:59:57.920 --> 01:59:59.479
<v Speaker 10>I think that there was always some interest because even

2657
01:59:59.640 --> 02:00:02.439
<v Speaker 10>as the process went on then because again we're talking

2658
02:00:02.439 --> 02:00:04.000
<v Speaker 10>about there's like this home. We spent a lot of

2659
02:00:04.039 --> 02:00:05.800
<v Speaker 10>time just right here. But then you know, there's the

2660
02:00:05.880 --> 02:00:08.039
<v Speaker 10>rest of the land too. But he had already worked

2661
02:00:08.079 --> 02:00:10.000
<v Speaker 10>with the developer to have that parceled out and become

2662
02:00:10.000 --> 02:00:12.640
<v Speaker 10>a housing development. So he was working on that too.

2663
02:00:12.960 --> 02:00:15.039
<v Speaker 29>That because he was involved in real estate descendent yea

2664
02:00:15.439 --> 02:00:16.039
<v Speaker 29>estate development.

2665
02:00:16.119 --> 02:00:17.960
<v Speaker 28>Yeah, And so he was going to put a housing

2666
02:00:18.000 --> 02:00:18.680
<v Speaker 28>development out there.

2667
02:00:18.920 --> 02:00:21.199
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, so like there's that, there's the home. But like

2668
02:00:21.600 --> 02:00:23.399
<v Speaker 10>and again, so a lot of times it gets like

2669
02:00:23.479 --> 02:00:25.119
<v Speaker 10>the whole park was his estate, but really it was

2670
02:00:25.279 --> 02:00:27.039
<v Speaker 10>a part of that, and even a big part of that.

2671
02:00:27.239 --> 02:00:29.239
<v Speaker 10>He already kind of had some at some point had

2672
02:00:29.279 --> 02:00:31.119
<v Speaker 10>some kind of dreams of making that housing development and

2673
02:00:31.159 --> 02:00:31.840
<v Speaker 10>making money off of that.

2674
02:00:32.079 --> 02:00:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Do you think making any maybe public anxiety about a

2675
02:00:36.079 --> 02:00:39.840
<v Speaker 2>housing development added momentum to create a park so that

2676
02:00:39.960 --> 02:00:42.319
<v Speaker 2>that didn't turn into a big you know, called the

2677
02:00:42.359 --> 02:00:44.039
<v Speaker 2>set field. I don't know what when the film it

2678
02:00:44.520 --> 02:00:45.960
<v Speaker 2>so now okay, not.

2679
02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:48.359
<v Speaker 10>That I've seen, because again I think a lot of

2680
02:00:48.359 --> 02:00:51.479
<v Speaker 10>the neighbors would have preferred that over a park having to.

2681
02:00:51.960 --> 02:00:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Houses there, because I liked the context until talking to

2682
02:00:55.319 --> 02:00:57.600
<v Speaker 2>you that a lot of this was private and sort

2683
02:00:57.640 --> 02:01:00.560
<v Speaker 2>of felt extremely busy anyway that it was right, It

2684
02:01:00.680 --> 02:01:03.920
<v Speaker 2>wasn't necessarily this oasis that he had to himself.

2685
02:01:04.319 --> 02:01:08.279
<v Speaker 10>So then an early step, right is that at some points, okay,

2686
02:01:08.319 --> 02:01:09.800
<v Speaker 10>we're making a park, We've got like a plan for

2687
02:01:09.840 --> 02:01:11.359
<v Speaker 10>what it's going to be, this is these are the

2688
02:01:11.399 --> 02:01:14.000
<v Speaker 10>parcels we want, and then somebody would make an offer

2689
02:01:14.079 --> 02:01:15.760
<v Speaker 10>to burn it like, hey, we think your land is

2690
02:01:15.760 --> 02:01:19.199
<v Speaker 10>worth this much, will make an offer. And I think

2691
02:01:20.399 --> 02:01:23.359
<v Speaker 10>so Eric Bischoff wrote something about like this the house

2692
02:01:23.399 --> 02:01:25.159
<v Speaker 10>at one point that I thought like summed it up perfectly,

2693
02:01:25.279 --> 02:01:28.439
<v Speaker 10>and like that verne Ganya was a fighter, right, like

2694
02:01:28.520 --> 02:01:30.920
<v Speaker 10>he fought Vince McMann, he fought the WWF, and then

2695
02:01:30.920 --> 02:01:32.239
<v Speaker 10>when it came to this, he was going to fight

2696
02:01:32.600 --> 02:01:34.840
<v Speaker 10>the government. He's gonna fight the system, right and so

2697
02:01:35.279 --> 02:01:37.720
<v Speaker 10>like he again was kind of a willing seller at

2698
02:01:37.760 --> 02:01:40.560
<v Speaker 10>the beginning, but then more and more, like other property

2699
02:01:40.680 --> 02:01:45.479
<v Speaker 10>owners weren't, and there was this kind of within like

2700
02:01:45.600 --> 02:01:47.960
<v Speaker 10>the neighbors and the city kind of being against it.

2701
02:01:48.079 --> 02:01:49.560
<v Speaker 10>I think he kind of joined on to that. I

2702
02:01:49.600 --> 02:01:52.880
<v Speaker 10>think maybe Mary was more against selling than Burne was.

2703
02:01:53.560 --> 02:01:55.800
<v Speaker 10>And then so at some point he started like fighting

2704
02:01:55.840 --> 02:01:57.640
<v Speaker 10>it a little bit right or a lot right, and

2705
02:01:57.760 --> 02:01:59.640
<v Speaker 10>so he did not take the first offer where you

2706
02:01:59.680 --> 02:02:01.560
<v Speaker 10>can go to the process just as a willing seller

2707
02:02:01.600 --> 02:02:03.680
<v Speaker 10>and sell your land to the park district and then

2708
02:02:03.720 --> 02:02:05.760
<v Speaker 10>you do negotiations of when you're moving out and all that.

2709
02:02:05.800 --> 02:02:08.479
<v Speaker 14>So it's kind of kind of funny because he's going

2710
02:02:08.560 --> 02:02:12.960
<v Speaker 14>along too, like he starts to fight as the AWA.

2711
02:02:12.600 --> 02:02:13.199
<v Speaker 12>Starts to die.

2712
02:02:13.920 --> 02:02:16.720
<v Speaker 14>Yes, you know, and starts to fight, but it's it's

2713
02:02:16.760 --> 02:02:19.159
<v Speaker 14>almost now it's a pride thing in a way.

2714
02:02:19.520 --> 02:02:22.079
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, you're looking at like the mid eighties were already

2715
02:02:22.239 --> 02:02:25.359
<v Speaker 10>like WWF is poaching his top talent and then okay,

2716
02:02:25.399 --> 02:02:27.800
<v Speaker 10>well now they're coming you know they're coming from So

2717
02:02:28.199 --> 02:02:29.399
<v Speaker 10>I think that's part of it too, is like, no,

2718
02:02:29.520 --> 02:02:31.960
<v Speaker 10>we're going to fight like that is just his mentality, right, yes,

2719
02:02:32.439 --> 02:02:35.439
<v Speaker 10>And and so I'm not saying he he should have

2720
02:02:35.560 --> 02:02:37.199
<v Speaker 10>fought it, That's not what I'm gonna say. But like

2721
02:02:37.239 --> 02:02:39.319
<v Speaker 10>what I would say is, in the end, in hindsight,

2722
02:02:39.359 --> 02:02:41.359
<v Speaker 10>he would have come out much better if he had, right,

2723
02:02:41.399 --> 02:02:43.319
<v Speaker 10>because he was given a really good offer to begin with,

2724
02:02:43.520 --> 02:02:45.119
<v Speaker 10>turned it down and said, no, we're going to go

2725
02:02:45.159 --> 02:02:46.880
<v Speaker 10>through this process, we're going to have it appraised, and

2726
02:02:47.439 --> 02:02:51.520
<v Speaker 10>and so then it he was given another counter offer.

2727
02:02:51.880 --> 02:02:53.319
<v Speaker 10>I want to say it was like one point two

2728
02:02:53.359 --> 02:02:56.159
<v Speaker 10>five million dollars, which doesn't seem like an incredible amount today,

2729
02:02:56.199 --> 02:02:58.439
<v Speaker 10>but in short nineteenth and time six or whatever, it's

2730
02:02:58.600 --> 02:03:00.359
<v Speaker 10>a lot of money too. And I think it's I

2731
02:03:00.399 --> 02:03:01.880
<v Speaker 10>think it's worth more than I think it's he turned

2732
02:03:01.920 --> 02:03:04.399
<v Speaker 10>it down, and so he turned it down worth oh

2733
02:03:04.600 --> 02:03:08.720
<v Speaker 10>millions millions. I think he could like five six, like

2734
02:03:09.319 --> 02:03:10.760
<v Speaker 10>I think a million. Scenes so he wanted it to

2735
02:03:10.800 --> 02:03:13.039
<v Speaker 10>be worth so much more, which makes sense, right, a million.

2736
02:03:14.000 --> 02:03:18.680
<v Speaker 10>And so then there was like another counteroffer, and and

2737
02:03:18.760 --> 02:03:21.960
<v Speaker 10>then he was offered like four point twenty five. And

2738
02:03:22.760 --> 02:03:24.720
<v Speaker 10>and then it when you you have an appraised but

2739
02:03:24.840 --> 02:03:26.399
<v Speaker 10>like it's a third party like now, and by a

2740
02:03:26.439 --> 02:03:28.399
<v Speaker 10>sting in your selling house, like they don't make It's

2741
02:03:28.439 --> 02:03:30.199
<v Speaker 10>not like just some government guy walking in there and

2742
02:03:30.279 --> 02:03:31.720
<v Speaker 10>saying I think it's worth this is what I'm gonna

2743
02:03:31.720 --> 02:03:33.039
<v Speaker 10>give you to take here to leave it. It goes

2744
02:03:33.079 --> 02:03:35.119
<v Speaker 10>to this whole lengthy appraisal process, which again for a

2745
02:03:35.159 --> 02:03:37.840
<v Speaker 10>property like this, it was this there's booklets in our

2746
02:03:37.880 --> 02:03:40.800
<v Speaker 10>records just about the they have to document how they

2747
02:03:40.840 --> 02:03:43.479
<v Speaker 10>made the appraisal, how you look at uh the uh

2748
02:03:43.920 --> 02:03:45.520
<v Speaker 10>what's the word I want for it? Even the you

2749
02:03:45.560 --> 02:03:48.479
<v Speaker 10>know comparison properties and stuff, right, yeah, And so they

2750
02:03:48.600 --> 02:03:50.520
<v Speaker 10>kind of split the parcel into two things, looking at

2751
02:03:50.560 --> 02:03:52.720
<v Speaker 10>like the home site and then the other site, which

2752
02:03:52.720 --> 02:03:54.479
<v Speaker 10>again he had already had some kind of plans to

2753
02:03:54.520 --> 02:03:56.960
<v Speaker 10>develop so they could be developed, so looking at the

2754
02:03:58.680 --> 02:04:01.359
<v Speaker 10>cost for that, and then in the end, I think

2755
02:04:01.359 --> 02:04:03.520
<v Speaker 10>it appraised for like three and a half million, and

2756
02:04:03.640 --> 02:04:06.119
<v Speaker 10>so like he was given other offers way more than

2757
02:04:06.159 --> 02:04:08.800
<v Speaker 10>it was appraised at. And then okay, well now it's

2758
02:04:08.800 --> 02:04:10.479
<v Speaker 10>been appraised to this, and then he says, well, no,

2759
02:04:10.520 --> 02:04:12.119
<v Speaker 10>I think it's worth more than that. Okay, well then

2760
02:04:12.479 --> 02:04:14.840
<v Speaker 10>you have it appraised like you can. So he, as

2761
02:04:14.920 --> 02:04:17.039
<v Speaker 10>far as I've seen, he never had it appraised himself

2762
02:04:17.079 --> 02:04:19.680
<v Speaker 10>to like have an actual like documented No, it appraised

2763
02:04:19.720 --> 02:04:21.479
<v Speaker 10>that five million, So he did.

2764
02:04:21.680 --> 02:04:22.680
<v Speaker 28>He didn't like what they said.

2765
02:04:22.720 --> 02:04:23.840
<v Speaker 12>So yeah, right, you just.

2766
02:04:23.840 --> 02:04:25.880
<v Speaker 10>Say no, I think it's worth that's a game. Yeah,

2767
02:04:25.960 --> 02:04:30.479
<v Speaker 10>such yeah, And so then so you go, okay, well

2768
02:04:30.520 --> 02:04:32.640
<v Speaker 10>here's this offer. Will you offer you what it's appraised that?

2769
02:04:32.920 --> 02:04:34.439
<v Speaker 10>But no, I'm going to fight it. And so then

2770
02:04:34.520 --> 02:04:36.319
<v Speaker 10>that's where you start to go through that eminent domain

2771
02:04:36.439 --> 02:04:37.720
<v Speaker 10>where they had to pass the law. I think it

2772
02:04:37.720 --> 02:04:39.720
<v Speaker 10>was an eighty eight with the buck Bill, where they

2773
02:04:39.840 --> 02:04:42.720
<v Speaker 10>where the state passed a law to allow for all

2774
02:04:42.760 --> 02:04:44.520
<v Speaker 10>this to happen, where you could do an eminent domain

2775
02:04:45.199 --> 02:04:48.680
<v Speaker 10>if the seller is not willing to negotiate on the

2776
02:04:48.760 --> 02:04:51.720
<v Speaker 10>actual cost of the house or the property. And so

2777
02:04:51.840 --> 02:04:53.199
<v Speaker 10>then you go into the eminent domain.

2778
02:04:54.000 --> 02:04:55.720
<v Speaker 14>But I guess, I guess here this is where it

2779
02:04:55.760 --> 02:04:59.920
<v Speaker 14>gets again and I get confused. The sellers don't want

2780
02:04:59.920 --> 02:05:03.439
<v Speaker 14>to shell the town's already turned it down.

2781
02:05:04.159 --> 02:05:06.600
<v Speaker 12>Why why is the why is.

2782
02:05:08.680 --> 02:05:11.439
<v Speaker 14>Had upen parks still pushing for it if it's been

2783
02:05:11.520 --> 02:05:12.800
<v Speaker 14>turned down so many times?

2784
02:05:13.159 --> 02:05:15.680
<v Speaker 10>And that's that's a fantastic question. And so that really

2785
02:05:15.720 --> 02:05:19.239
<v Speaker 10>comes down to the importance of parks. And that's for sure,

2786
02:05:19.439 --> 02:05:23.520
<v Speaker 10>right And so Minnesota, and like the Minneapolis metro area

2787
02:05:23.520 --> 02:05:26.119
<v Speaker 10>in particular, is known for having this amazing park system

2788
02:05:26.279 --> 02:05:29.680
<v Speaker 10>that we all enjoy as residents of the metro area.

2789
02:05:29.760 --> 02:05:32.119
<v Speaker 10>But it's also also this draw you know, from across

2790
02:05:32.159 --> 02:05:33.520
<v Speaker 10>the country of people coming here and part of the

2791
02:05:33.560 --> 02:05:35.000
<v Speaker 10>things they oh, we want to go walk through the

2792
02:05:35.079 --> 02:05:38.079
<v Speaker 10>parks here, and as a regional parks thing too, where

2793
02:05:38.079 --> 02:05:40.279
<v Speaker 10>people are moving, you know, not just like your neighborhood park,

2794
02:05:40.279 --> 02:05:42.319
<v Speaker 10>but like walking down to my kid at the playground,

2795
02:05:42.359 --> 02:05:44.199
<v Speaker 10>but going to a regional park for the day to

2796
02:05:44.239 --> 02:05:46.640
<v Speaker 10>have this whole experience. And so it's about investing in

2797
02:05:46.760 --> 02:05:49.720
<v Speaker 10>that importance of parks, which this area wasn't really served

2798
02:05:50.159 --> 02:05:52.680
<v Speaker 10>Lake Minnetaka right where they'd been identified years and years

2799
02:05:52.720 --> 02:05:54.880
<v Speaker 10>before of we need to have this public land on

2800
02:05:54.960 --> 02:05:58.399
<v Speaker 10>Lake Minetaka's people can come out to the lake, experience,

2801
02:05:58.479 --> 02:06:00.439
<v Speaker 10>enjoy it, launch their boat, swim. At that time, they

2802
02:06:00.479 --> 02:06:02.199
<v Speaker 10>wanted to have a beach on the lake. It's this

2803
02:06:02.279 --> 02:06:03.680
<v Speaker 10>isn't a great place to have a beach. They built

2804
02:06:03.720 --> 02:06:05.039
<v Speaker 10>the swim pond up at the top of the hill.

2805
02:06:06.039 --> 02:06:08.720
<v Speaker 10>But so it was that that need for a park here.

2806
02:06:08.800 --> 02:06:10.159
<v Speaker 10>So that's where you get, you know, you go back

2807
02:06:10.159 --> 02:06:12.600
<v Speaker 10>to the stakeholder thing of I want this, I want this,

2808
02:06:12.880 --> 02:06:15.479
<v Speaker 10>and so you get you know, neighborhood or the neighbors

2809
02:06:15.560 --> 02:06:17.119
<v Speaker 10>maybe just don't want to park because they don't want

2810
02:06:17.119 --> 02:06:18.920
<v Speaker 10>the noise. They'd rather just have it be another neighborhood.

2811
02:06:18.960 --> 02:06:20.800
<v Speaker 10>And yeah, and the city wants something that pays into

2812
02:06:20.800 --> 02:06:22.279
<v Speaker 10>the tax space. But then you have all these people too.

2813
02:06:22.279 --> 02:06:24.359
<v Speaker 10>They're like, we need more boat launches on the lake.

2814
02:06:24.399 --> 02:06:25.960
<v Speaker 10>There's only a few boat launches and they get so

2815
02:06:26.119 --> 02:06:28.319
<v Speaker 10>busy in the summer that you're waiting forever to launch

2816
02:06:28.319 --> 02:06:30.159
<v Speaker 10>your boat and get on on the lake. And there's

2817
02:06:30.159 --> 02:06:32.399
<v Speaker 10>not enough playgrounds. We need more areas to go swimming

2818
02:06:32.399 --> 02:06:35.279
<v Speaker 10>because the beaches are all busy, and we need more

2819
02:06:35.479 --> 02:06:40.520
<v Speaker 10>land for wildlife habitat. Most of the park is undeveloped,

2820
02:06:40.520 --> 02:06:42.119
<v Speaker 10>so we're on kind of like the developed side, but

2821
02:06:42.279 --> 02:06:44.800
<v Speaker 10>when you cross the road it's mostly undeveloped in capitula.

2822
02:06:45.840 --> 02:06:48.640
<v Speaker 28>Collective desire of all these people to park here.

2823
02:06:48.720 --> 02:06:51.399
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, and so that's his desire.

2824
02:06:51.800 --> 02:06:53.119
<v Speaker 29>To say, I don't want to sell out problems.

2825
02:06:53.239 --> 02:06:56.199
<v Speaker 14>But again I'm just but it's not just him though,

2826
02:06:56.760 --> 02:06:59.359
<v Speaker 14>it's other people who own property. It's the town has

2827
02:06:59.399 --> 02:07:02.520
<v Speaker 14>turned it down the past, and it's like, so they

2828
02:07:02.560 --> 02:07:06.399
<v Speaker 14>don't have the final say there's enough people. The laws changed, right,

2829
02:07:07.239 --> 02:07:11.840
<v Speaker 14>politics take people here for the to try to influence

2830
02:07:11.960 --> 02:07:15.039
<v Speaker 14>maybe and maybe you can. It's just felt like a

2831
02:07:15.079 --> 02:07:17.119
<v Speaker 14>sneaky move to like then all of a sudden by

2832
02:07:17.319 --> 02:07:20.359
<v Speaker 14>you know, past this law, the park bill, to like

2833
02:07:20.520 --> 02:07:23.520
<v Speaker 14>just make it happen, which I know, I get that's

2834
02:07:23.560 --> 02:07:28.760
<v Speaker 14>what happens, but it just like it feels so oh yeah,

2835
02:07:28.760 --> 02:07:33.560
<v Speaker 14>I know it isn't I'm I get very yeah, you

2836
02:07:33.960 --> 02:07:39.479
<v Speaker 14>put somebody in the corner, and I'm like, yeah.

2837
02:07:39.680 --> 02:07:40.600
<v Speaker 13>It's sneaky.

2838
02:07:40.880 --> 02:07:42.079
<v Speaker 10>I don't know if I agree with it, because it

2839
02:07:42.159 --> 02:07:44.479
<v Speaker 10>was it was voted on in like in public discussion

2840
02:07:44.760 --> 02:07:47.319
<v Speaker 10>at the state legislature. It was open to a vote

2841
02:07:47.319 --> 02:07:49.479
<v Speaker 10>of all the state legislators who are elected by the people,

2842
02:07:49.600 --> 02:07:52.239
<v Speaker 10>and so like in a way that's the way government works.

2843
02:07:52.279 --> 02:07:54.880
<v Speaker 10>It's yeah, yeah, it's not like it was just like

2844
02:07:56.000 --> 02:07:56.359
<v Speaker 10>that happened.

2845
02:07:56.399 --> 02:07:59.199
<v Speaker 14>And then yeah, I mean I didn't mean to imply that,

2846
02:07:59.359 --> 02:08:02.000
<v Speaker 14>but it just was like it's like, okay, fine, you're

2847
02:08:02.000 --> 02:08:03.600
<v Speaker 14>not gonna do this, and we're gonna just make you

2848
02:08:03.720 --> 02:08:06.760
<v Speaker 14>do it by you know, by having this bill then.

2849
02:08:06.720 --> 02:08:09.279
<v Speaker 10>And so again you look at, okay, all the stakeholders

2850
02:08:09.359 --> 02:08:11.800
<v Speaker 10>involved in their peace sleep. And so then of course

2851
02:08:11.880 --> 02:08:13.359
<v Speaker 10>the Gutnians are one of those like what do they

2852
02:08:13.399 --> 02:08:15.159
<v Speaker 10>want on this right? And so you know, there's the

2853
02:08:15.439 --> 02:08:18.600
<v Speaker 10>AWA documentary where you know, Greg is talking about how

2854
02:08:18.640 --> 02:08:21.840
<v Speaker 10>it happened and obviously has some hard feelings about the

2855
02:08:21.880 --> 02:08:23.640
<v Speaker 10>way that it happened and not being able to continue

2856
02:08:23.680 --> 02:08:25.079
<v Speaker 10>living in this house and enjoying this land.

2857
02:08:25.159 --> 02:08:26.239
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, one hundred.

2858
02:08:25.960 --> 02:08:30.920
<v Speaker 10>Percent get them, absolutely. But then there's also like you

2859
02:08:31.000 --> 02:08:33.600
<v Speaker 10>come out here on a nice summer day and you

2860
02:08:33.760 --> 02:08:37.039
<v Speaker 10>see dozens of families out of the swim pond, kids

2861
02:08:37.119 --> 02:08:39.239
<v Speaker 10>taking swimming lessons, learning to swim in the swim pond.

2862
02:08:39.319 --> 02:08:41.439
<v Speaker 10>And you go a little bit farther down and there's

2863
02:08:41.479 --> 02:08:43.760
<v Speaker 10>the playgroundhere, kids running and screaming and having a good time,

2864
02:08:43.760 --> 02:08:45.800
<v Speaker 10>and you see people practicing disc golf, You see people

2865
02:08:45.840 --> 02:08:47.439
<v Speaker 10>having a great day on the lake because they're launching

2866
02:08:47.439 --> 02:08:50.079
<v Speaker 10>their boat, walking their dogs through here. Including the neighbors

2867
02:08:50.079 --> 02:08:51.920
<v Speaker 10>who were against the park before but aren't really It

2868
02:08:52.000 --> 02:08:54.079
<v Speaker 10>seems I've never talked to what is against the park

2869
02:08:54.159 --> 02:08:56.079
<v Speaker 10>now They ended up saying like, actually, it's really great

2870
02:08:56.119 --> 02:08:58.199
<v Speaker 10>to have here. And so you see all the people

2871
02:08:58.279 --> 02:09:00.159
<v Speaker 10>enjoying this park, and you see like, okay, well now

2872
02:09:00.239 --> 02:09:02.039
<v Speaker 10>I get it. And so.

2873
02:09:04.159 --> 02:09:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Which the park could have existed as we know it today,

2874
02:09:07.159 --> 02:09:08.800
<v Speaker 2>but he still lived here, Like why did he have

2875
02:09:08.920 --> 02:09:11.399
<v Speaker 2>to vacate this considering the building still stands.

2876
02:09:11.520 --> 02:09:13.560
<v Speaker 10>That should have been the negotiations where at some point,

2877
02:09:13.680 --> 02:09:15.399
<v Speaker 10>like even in that same memo, he had talked about

2878
02:09:15.640 --> 02:09:17.399
<v Speaker 10>a lot of times what's called like a life estate

2879
02:09:17.439 --> 02:09:21.159
<v Speaker 10>where they say like, okay, could you make it into

2880
02:09:21.199 --> 02:09:22.640
<v Speaker 10>a park, So you can do this a couple of

2881
02:09:22.640 --> 02:09:25.000
<v Speaker 10>different ways, but like if it's just like one piece,

2882
02:09:25.079 --> 02:09:29.800
<v Speaker 10>you could say. This happens a lot with like parcels

2883
02:09:29.880 --> 02:09:31.800
<v Speaker 10>that are right next to an existing park where the

2884
02:09:31.880 --> 02:09:34.399
<v Speaker 10>part district has said we want to eventually one day

2885
02:09:34.560 --> 02:09:36.680
<v Speaker 10>make that parcel a part of the bigger park, like

2886
02:09:36.720 --> 02:09:39.000
<v Speaker 10>add it to it, and then so that you can

2887
02:09:39.119 --> 02:09:41.520
<v Speaker 10>purchase it, but give the persons called the life estates,

2888
02:09:41.600 --> 02:09:43.359
<v Speaker 10>you live the rest of your life in that house.

2889
02:09:43.199 --> 02:09:43.880
<v Speaker 12>On that property.

2890
02:09:44.319 --> 02:09:45.880
<v Speaker 10>And then why did that happen.

2891
02:09:45.680 --> 02:09:46.079
<v Speaker 24>In the park?

2892
02:09:46.399 --> 02:09:49.000
<v Speaker 10>And w Vernon asked about that that could happen, and

2893
02:09:50.319 --> 02:09:53.359
<v Speaker 10>I don't know exactly the specifics of I think partly

2894
02:09:53.479 --> 02:09:57.840
<v Speaker 10>it's a negotiation thing where if you are making the

2895
02:09:57.920 --> 02:10:00.680
<v Speaker 10>whole process easier and stuff, you're more likely to get

2896
02:10:00.720 --> 02:10:02.319
<v Speaker 10>that thing that you want. But as soon as you're

2897
02:10:02.359 --> 02:10:05.640
<v Speaker 10>fighting it tooth and nail and everything, then so they

2898
02:10:05.680 --> 02:10:08.760
<v Speaker 10>could have made maybe the whole park and then Verne's

2899
02:10:08.800 --> 02:10:11.560
<v Speaker 10>house here as a life estate. Part of its difficult

2900
02:10:11.560 --> 02:10:13.680
<v Speaker 10>because like this is that's a steep hill over there,

2901
02:10:13.720 --> 02:10:15.640
<v Speaker 10>and it's like the one way to get down to here.

2902
02:10:16.159 --> 02:10:18.199
<v Speaker 10>So like I thought he wanted the boat launch going

2903
02:10:18.279 --> 02:10:20.000
<v Speaker 10>right past the cars. I don't know if he maybe

2904
02:10:20.039 --> 02:10:22.479
<v Speaker 10>would have said like over there or something, but this

2905
02:10:22.720 --> 02:10:24.439
<v Speaker 10>was the shore is a big part of it, and

2906
02:10:24.560 --> 02:10:26.880
<v Speaker 10>this is his house is basically all the shore that

2907
02:10:26.920 --> 02:10:30.479
<v Speaker 10>he owed right here, right, And so that's maybe part

2908
02:10:30.520 --> 02:10:33.439
<v Speaker 10>of it is just kind of the the details when

2909
02:10:33.439 --> 02:10:34.960
<v Speaker 10>you get into like what would it be like to

2910
02:10:35.079 --> 02:10:36.720
<v Speaker 10>have this one private home right here.

2911
02:10:37.600 --> 02:10:40.159
<v Speaker 14>That's also part of the thinking Mike, he's got eighty acres,

2912
02:10:40.880 --> 02:10:44.399
<v Speaker 14>he could give most of that and then keep his

2913
02:10:44.520 --> 02:10:45.560
<v Speaker 14>house and whatever.

2914
02:10:45.760 --> 02:10:48.079
<v Speaker 10>But and again I think it comes down to what

2915
02:10:48.199 --> 02:10:55.880
<v Speaker 10>he had been maybe more opened to negotiating early on

2916
02:10:56.000 --> 02:10:58.960
<v Speaker 10>that maybe would have been. There was also another thing

2917
02:10:59.000 --> 02:11:01.920
<v Speaker 10>about how I think with one of the counter offers,

2918
02:11:02.079 --> 02:11:04.239
<v Speaker 10>was like, hey, and if you take this offer or something,

2919
02:11:04.279 --> 02:11:06.039
<v Speaker 10>And maybe it was when they were getting into features

2920
02:11:06.079 --> 02:11:07.560
<v Speaker 10>of the house or something, but at some point it

2921
02:11:07.640 --> 02:11:09.560
<v Speaker 10>was like, if you do this for us, we're going

2922
02:11:09.600 --> 02:11:12.199
<v Speaker 10>to put up a plaque about during Ghanya in the house.

2923
02:11:12.560 --> 02:11:14.119
<v Speaker 10>He didn't do the thing, so we don't have a plaque.

2924
02:11:14.239 --> 02:11:15.600
<v Speaker 10>I really do want to put up a plaque.

2925
02:11:15.760 --> 02:11:17.199
<v Speaker 28>This is what we're kind of doing one right now.

2926
02:11:17.319 --> 02:11:17.920
<v Speaker 29>Yeah, that's true.

2927
02:11:18.159 --> 02:11:21.520
<v Speaker 28>What we're saying this is almost like indicative about the

2928
02:11:21.560 --> 02:11:22.039
<v Speaker 28>need for a plant.

2929
02:11:22.119 --> 02:11:22.319
<v Speaker 11>Yeah.

2930
02:11:22.319 --> 02:11:24.079
<v Speaker 29>I want to come here and learn about it.

2931
02:11:24.279 --> 02:11:26.039
<v Speaker 10>I've said before, I want to put a bronze statue

2932
02:11:26.039 --> 02:11:28.920
<v Speaker 10>of burnt up at the swim pod. Oh there would

2933
02:11:28.920 --> 02:11:29.359
<v Speaker 10>the picture?

2934
02:11:29.479 --> 02:11:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Him say, yeah, well right, you know the picture.

2935
02:11:31.960 --> 02:11:34.479
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, so that would be awesome. That's that's that's the

2936
02:11:34.560 --> 02:11:36.680
<v Speaker 10>thing I really want is a broad statue of urn

2937
02:11:36.760 --> 02:11:37.560
<v Speaker 10>up at the swim Pop and.

2938
02:11:37.720 --> 02:11:42.000
<v Speaker 2>A Plat dedicated absolutely the first books says that at

2939
02:11:42.039 --> 02:11:43.000
<v Speaker 2>one point he actually.

2940
02:11:42.720 --> 02:11:44.159
<v Speaker 12>Do was pain, right, That's what I was want to

2941
02:11:44.199 --> 02:11:45.840
<v Speaker 12>ask next to that, Yeah, and.

2942
02:11:45.880 --> 02:11:47.960
<v Speaker 10>It had seen that I don't know that that that

2943
02:11:48.159 --> 02:11:50.319
<v Speaker 10>number didn't seem right. He said, like twenty five thousand

2944
02:11:50.439 --> 02:11:53.920
<v Speaker 10>a month a month I had seen even like in

2945
02:11:53.960 --> 02:11:56.520
<v Speaker 10>the records, like like checks that.

2946
02:11:56.840 --> 02:11:57.600
<v Speaker 12>So it was rent.

2947
02:11:58.920 --> 02:12:02.239
<v Speaker 10>Part of it was so once the once the deal

2948
02:12:02.439 --> 02:12:04.960
<v Speaker 10>was getting finalized and this was going to become a

2949
02:12:05.039 --> 02:12:08.520
<v Speaker 10>park and the guy is needed to move out, the

2950
02:12:08.680 --> 02:12:12.000
<v Speaker 10>process was still really slow, and so that they were

2951
02:12:12.039 --> 02:12:14.159
<v Speaker 10>staying here and then kind of paying rent because the

2952
02:12:14.199 --> 02:12:16.319
<v Speaker 10>process was already done, but then allowed to stay for

2953
02:12:16.359 --> 02:12:18.199
<v Speaker 10>a while and pay rent. And that number didn't quite

2954
02:12:18.199 --> 02:12:20.399
<v Speaker 10>look right to me. But I'm not gonna like totally worry.

2955
02:12:20.479 --> 02:12:22.439
<v Speaker 28>Why would he have to pay rent to the.

2956
02:12:22.800 --> 02:12:25.600
<v Speaker 10>Because at that point he didn't own it anymore. Yeah,

2957
02:12:26.039 --> 02:12:28.000
<v Speaker 10>but like they were gonna be like, okay, we're kicking

2958
02:12:28.039 --> 02:12:30.079
<v Speaker 10>you out. It was like he could have moved maybe.

2959
02:12:30.159 --> 02:12:31.840
<v Speaker 10>But this is another thing I would talk about, is

2960
02:12:31.880 --> 02:12:34.439
<v Speaker 10>the relocation process. We'll talk about that too. But then

2961
02:12:34.479 --> 02:12:36.479
<v Speaker 10>the other there was also the outbuildings like the barn,

2962
02:12:37.039 --> 02:12:39.359
<v Speaker 10>and so he kept a lot of stuff in the

2963
02:12:39.439 --> 02:12:42.600
<v Speaker 10>barn longer than like he really was supposed to say,

2964
02:12:42.640 --> 02:12:45.680
<v Speaker 10>like renegotiated like, Okay, we'll let you keep your stuff

2965
02:12:45.720 --> 02:12:47.640
<v Speaker 10>in the barn. And I think that was stuff. So

2966
02:12:47.760 --> 02:12:51.399
<v Speaker 10>I think that stuff was he was by that time,

2967
02:12:51.760 --> 02:12:54.039
<v Speaker 10>we're getting out into the nineties, really at it right,

2968
02:12:54.560 --> 02:12:56.479
<v Speaker 10>because it again really drawn out, so that that memo

2969
02:12:56.560 --> 02:12:58.079
<v Speaker 10>I talked about, he's like, what do I do while

2970
02:12:58.079 --> 02:13:00.119
<v Speaker 10>you're looking at this land that was eighty six and

2971
02:13:00.159 --> 02:13:01.720
<v Speaker 10>then it doesn't make go apark until the ninety so

2972
02:13:01.920 --> 02:13:05.439
<v Speaker 10>it's it's it's this drawn out thing. And I think

2973
02:13:05.479 --> 02:13:07.960
<v Speaker 10>at that time he's maybe also going through his bankruptcy stuff.

2974
02:13:07.960 --> 02:13:09.640
<v Speaker 10>So I think his bankruptcy case is settled in the

2975
02:13:09.760 --> 02:13:14.520
<v Speaker 10>fall of ninety three, and that earlier that year they're

2976
02:13:14.640 --> 02:13:17.000
<v Speaker 10>negotiating like, hey, can I keep my stuff in the barn?

2977
02:13:17.479 --> 02:13:19.720
<v Speaker 10>And I think that's his tools of the trade as

2978
02:13:19.800 --> 02:13:24.760
<v Speaker 10>he's going through bankruptcy. That's like ring gear that's on tapes,

2979
02:13:25.039 --> 02:13:26.640
<v Speaker 10>its desk tapes.

2980
02:13:26.399 --> 02:13:26.960
<v Speaker 4>It tapes.

2981
02:13:27.079 --> 02:13:29.840
<v Speaker 7>I think the restoring all of that.

2982
02:13:30.319 --> 02:13:33.479
<v Speaker 10>Stuff for the shows fascinating and didn't have another place

2983
02:13:33.560 --> 02:13:36.199
<v Speaker 10>to put it. As he's still trying to get that.

2984
02:13:36.359 --> 02:13:38.359
<v Speaker 10>You know, I can't when did he start the sumo thing?

2985
02:13:38.439 --> 02:13:39.119
<v Speaker 10>Was that ninety three?

2986
02:13:39.359 --> 02:13:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Was that ninety one? Yeah, he's trying to do an

2987
02:13:41.520 --> 02:13:44.640
<v Speaker 2>American Sumo Federation, so he's knowing it.

2988
02:13:44.760 --> 02:13:46.479
<v Speaker 10>So you know, he's struggling to make his business work

2989
02:13:46.479 --> 02:13:48.119
<v Speaker 10>at the same time and trying to keep on this stuff.

2990
02:13:48.159 --> 02:13:50.279
<v Speaker 10>It doesn't have another place to store it. He's got

2991
02:13:50.479 --> 02:13:52.359
<v Speaker 10>like his dock still here where they said that you

2992
02:13:52.439 --> 02:13:53.720
<v Speaker 10>got to get your dock out, but that you didn't

2993
02:13:53.720 --> 02:13:55.000
<v Speaker 10>have another place to put it, so they said, okay,

2994
02:13:55.000 --> 02:13:56.680
<v Speaker 10>we'll let you keep your dock there. So there were

2995
02:13:56.680 --> 02:13:59.640
<v Speaker 10>still things like that where the negotiating these little pieces

2996
02:13:59.720 --> 02:14:02.760
<v Speaker 10>after he had already even moved out, and so the

2997
02:14:02.800 --> 02:14:04.479
<v Speaker 10>rent I think is part of that too. There was

2998
02:14:04.520 --> 02:14:07.680
<v Speaker 10>also another house on the property. It was like a

2999
02:14:07.760 --> 02:14:10.840
<v Speaker 10>caretaker's home really, and so I don't know all the

3000
02:14:10.880 --> 02:14:13.079
<v Speaker 10>details about it, but there was a guy living in there,

3001
02:14:13.159 --> 02:14:14.880
<v Speaker 10>maybe a small family, I can't remember, but it was

3002
02:14:14.920 --> 02:14:17.279
<v Speaker 10>a small home right by where the barn is, and

3003
02:14:18.439 --> 02:14:20.640
<v Speaker 10>they were paying rent to Vernon Mary and I think

3004
02:14:20.680 --> 02:14:22.520
<v Speaker 10>we're like a caretaker for the property and for the

3005
02:14:22.560 --> 02:14:25.920
<v Speaker 10>horses and stuff, and so they were living there, and

3006
02:14:26.039 --> 02:14:31.560
<v Speaker 10>then that was a part of the process too where there,

3007
02:14:31.760 --> 02:14:34.479
<v Speaker 10>So they were negotiating with him as well, but Vern

3008
02:14:34.600 --> 02:14:37.000
<v Speaker 10>was the owner of the property. They're negotiating with Vern,

3009
02:14:37.439 --> 02:14:39.520
<v Speaker 10>and Verne wanted him to be able to keep living there,

3010
02:14:40.119 --> 02:14:41.560
<v Speaker 10>and it just didn't really make sense because you'd be

3011
02:14:41.600 --> 02:14:43.319
<v Speaker 10>like right at the swim pond, that you'd be like

3012
02:14:43.479 --> 02:14:46.079
<v Speaker 10>rice there. And so they the part district ended up

3013
02:14:46.920 --> 02:14:50.680
<v Speaker 10>agreeing that like to that they could move the building.

3014
02:14:51.359 --> 02:14:53.319
<v Speaker 10>So Vern and this other man paid to have the

3015
02:14:53.359 --> 02:14:55.479
<v Speaker 10>building moved I think to Mounder or no, I think

3016
02:14:55.520 --> 02:14:58.800
<v Speaker 10>it was nearby, like in the area, and moved the building.

3017
02:14:58.840 --> 02:15:00.960
<v Speaker 10>But then they were ack the reason that the move ran,

3018
02:15:01.039 --> 02:15:02.680
<v Speaker 10>like so they were building the park where the thing

3019
02:15:02.800 --> 02:15:04.720
<v Speaker 10>was still there. It had to come negotiate like, hey,

3020
02:15:04.720 --> 02:15:06.520
<v Speaker 10>we're putting up fences, now you need to move the

3021
02:15:06.560 --> 02:15:09.199
<v Speaker 10>house before the fences go in, and so tick and burn.

3022
02:15:10.199 --> 02:15:11.520
<v Speaker 28>So it is four million at the end.

3023
02:15:11.479 --> 02:15:14.479
<v Speaker 10>He got I don't know if I've ever actually seen

3024
02:15:14.520 --> 02:15:16.920
<v Speaker 10>whatever the final number was, the book says.

3025
02:15:17.399 --> 02:15:20.640
<v Speaker 12>The book says four point two million, that's what he

3026
02:15:20.680 --> 02:15:21.560
<v Speaker 12>got out.

3027
02:15:21.720 --> 02:15:23.720
<v Speaker 10>What year do you think that would be? So I

3028
02:15:23.760 --> 02:15:28.880
<v Speaker 10>would bet that he moved out maybe like ninety I

3029
02:15:28.920 --> 02:15:31.520
<v Speaker 10>can't remember exactly, but again, so then we.

3030
02:15:31.600 --> 02:15:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Were speculating like part of the reason maybe he gives

3031
02:15:33.920 --> 02:15:35.439
<v Speaker 2>up the fight, so to speak, to give up is

3032
02:15:35.479 --> 02:15:37.680
<v Speaker 2>the wrong word, but you know whatever, maybe it's the

3033
02:15:37.760 --> 02:15:40.439
<v Speaker 2>right work is that the NWA is now clearly not

3034
02:15:40.600 --> 02:15:44.359
<v Speaker 2>going concern you know, he's probably thinking like, yeah, let's

3035
02:15:44.800 --> 02:15:46.279
<v Speaker 2>we got sitting on four million dollars.

3036
02:15:47.319 --> 02:15:50.159
<v Speaker 14>Starts to make more sense, especially because especially because he owes,

3037
02:15:50.399 --> 02:15:52.319
<v Speaker 14>like the book says, he owes a million and a

3038
02:15:52.359 --> 02:15:55.239
<v Speaker 14>half and legal fees and other things and stuff, and

3039
02:15:55.319 --> 02:15:57.199
<v Speaker 14>so it's like, just take this money, and I think

3040
02:15:57.239 --> 02:16:00.640
<v Speaker 14>that they I think they say thank like eventually, like

3041
02:16:00.720 --> 02:16:02.680
<v Speaker 14>after I'll paying everything, Like they only had like three

3042
02:16:02.760 --> 02:16:04.600
<v Speaker 14>hundred grand out of that four point two.

3043
02:16:04.960 --> 02:16:07.279
<v Speaker 10>So the other piece of this too is like at

3044
02:16:07.359 --> 02:16:10.960
<v Speaker 10>that point, the fights weren't even done because when an

3045
02:16:10.960 --> 02:16:14.119
<v Speaker 10>eminent domain case like that happens, there's also there's a

3046
02:16:14.159 --> 02:16:17.039
<v Speaker 10>whole legal system for what's called relocation, and so then

3047
02:16:17.079 --> 02:16:20.079
<v Speaker 10>the park district is liable for like, okay, Verona, Mary,

3048
02:16:20.199 --> 02:16:22.119
<v Speaker 10>here's your house that's worth this much. We're going to

3049
02:16:22.199 --> 02:16:25.600
<v Speaker 10>pay you this for it. And we also then and

3050
02:16:25.640 --> 02:16:28.039
<v Speaker 10>I say, I wasn't around. Of course, the park district

3051
02:16:28.079 --> 02:16:31.840
<v Speaker 10>then would help to relocate you to a similar property.

3052
02:16:31.920 --> 02:16:34.319
<v Speaker 10>So they go through this thing like with real estate brokerage.

3053
02:16:34.680 --> 02:16:38.040
<v Speaker 10>So they locate I think it was like five, maybe seven,

3054
02:16:38.120 --> 02:16:40.920
<v Speaker 10>maybe even more, of similar homes in a similar area,

3055
02:16:41.000 --> 02:16:43.639
<v Speaker 10>some of them just down the road, very similar homes,

3056
02:16:44.079 --> 02:16:46.200
<v Speaker 10>similar prices, and say, here are the ones that are

3057
02:16:46.200 --> 02:16:49.399
<v Speaker 10>available right now. You could buy one of these and

3058
02:16:49.520 --> 02:16:51.399
<v Speaker 10>move to that and it would be like kind of

3059
02:16:51.440 --> 02:16:53.319
<v Speaker 10>the same experience of living in this hall. So you're

3060
02:16:53.360 --> 02:16:55.719
<v Speaker 10>not so they even help with the relocation to find

3061
02:16:55.719 --> 02:16:58.520
<v Speaker 10>another place in the area. So they gave them several

3062
02:16:58.600 --> 02:17:02.520
<v Speaker 10>postings of similar homes and allowed them to go view them,

3063
02:17:02.920 --> 02:17:04.760
<v Speaker 10>and I guess they were like really picky. We're like, oh,

3064
02:17:04.799 --> 02:17:06.680
<v Speaker 10>it doesn't have like the same barrow that we had before.

3065
02:17:07.440 --> 02:17:09.280
<v Speaker 10>That's what they needed to be exactly the same because the.

3066
02:17:09.280 --> 02:17:12.559
<v Speaker 14>Custom hall, the custom home, you know, that's how do

3067
02:17:12.600 --> 02:17:13.600
<v Speaker 14>you replace a custom home.

3068
02:17:13.680 --> 02:17:15.639
<v Speaker 10>But so other homes that were similar that were still

3069
02:17:15.760 --> 02:17:17.879
<v Speaker 10>on the lake and so they could still have their

3070
02:17:17.879 --> 02:17:19.680
<v Speaker 10>boat in their dock, and so they look at that

3071
02:17:19.840 --> 02:17:21.719
<v Speaker 10>and none of them were just right. But then also

3072
02:17:21.760 --> 02:17:23.319
<v Speaker 10>there was this back and forth because there's also like

3073
02:17:23.360 --> 02:17:26.879
<v Speaker 10>a relocation fee where there's like a difference in like Okay,

3074
02:17:26.920 --> 02:17:30.040
<v Speaker 10>here's this other similar home, but it's an extra you know,

3075
02:17:30.479 --> 02:17:33.719
<v Speaker 10>fifty thousand dollars. Then there would be a relocation fee

3076
02:17:33.719 --> 02:17:35.760
<v Speaker 10>that would pay essentially the difference, so to buy that

3077
02:17:35.799 --> 02:17:38.000
<v Speaker 10>one that's similar but maybe just a little bit more expensive.

3078
02:17:38.360 --> 02:17:41.760
<v Speaker 10>And then then I think started really gaming the value

3079
02:17:41.879 --> 02:17:43.680
<v Speaker 10>to try to get the most value out of the

3080
02:17:43.760 --> 02:17:47.120
<v Speaker 10>house and trying to try and do again that this

3081
02:17:47.239 --> 02:17:50.879
<v Speaker 10>house was more value. You know, I think there was.

3082
02:17:51.000 --> 02:17:52.959
<v Speaker 10>So there was a lot of back and forth about that.

3083
02:17:53.200 --> 02:17:55.719
<v Speaker 12>I have phrased this house myself and I'm gonna tell you.

3084
02:17:56.559 --> 02:17:58.559
<v Speaker 10>And so I think he said no to all the things.

3085
02:17:58.559 --> 02:17:59.920
<v Speaker 10>And then eventually I think it lived in like a

3086
02:18:00.040 --> 02:18:03.280
<v Speaker 10>town home and even Prairide and so like, so he

3087
02:18:03.479 --> 02:18:05.719
<v Speaker 10>was given like other homes that he could have moved

3088
02:18:05.760 --> 02:18:08.840
<v Speaker 10>into right then that were almost the same house, the

3089
02:18:08.920 --> 02:18:10.000
<v Speaker 10>same value.

3090
02:18:09.840 --> 02:18:10.399
<v Speaker 5>On the lake.

3091
02:18:11.040 --> 02:18:13.280
<v Speaker 10>So but again fighting tooth and nail and everything. So

3092
02:18:14.559 --> 02:18:16.959
<v Speaker 10>so again where I'm not I'm not saying that Verne

3093
02:18:17.000 --> 02:18:21.479
<v Speaker 10>shouldn't have fought like that. What I'm saying, what we

3094
02:18:21.600 --> 02:18:23.799
<v Speaker 10>know in hindsight is if he had just taken the

3095
02:18:23.879 --> 02:18:25.680
<v Speaker 10>very generous offer that he was given at the beginning,

3096
02:18:25.680 --> 02:18:29.440
<v Speaker 10>with the beginning, in the beginning, he would have come

3097
02:18:29.479 --> 02:18:31.799
<v Speaker 10>out much better than all the legal fees for all

3098
02:18:31.840 --> 02:18:32.280
<v Speaker 10>these fights.

3099
02:18:32.680 --> 02:18:34.799
<v Speaker 14>They it went to the state, he probably couldn't end

3100
02:18:34.879 --> 02:18:37.079
<v Speaker 14>up staying here, staying in the home. It couldn't have

3101
02:18:37.079 --> 02:18:39.040
<v Speaker 14>got well, they're saying to saying it was impossible because

3102
02:18:39.040 --> 02:18:40.159
<v Speaker 14>of this that what was it called.

3103
02:18:40.319 --> 02:18:42.959
<v Speaker 10>The life estate at least a possibility.

3104
02:18:43.200 --> 02:18:46.280
<v Speaker 11>So so that's where like.

3105
02:18:46.319 --> 02:18:49.159
<v Speaker 12>Again what we know, I don't negotiate with terrorists.

3106
02:18:52.319 --> 02:18:56.879
<v Speaker 2>And pressure black plot, I tole the this is wonderful, man.

3107
02:18:56.959 --> 02:18:58.920
<v Speaker 2>So so now we've got I can see it in

3108
02:18:59.000 --> 02:19:01.319
<v Speaker 2>ninety I can see it time period and you know

3109
02:19:01.440 --> 02:19:03.799
<v Speaker 2>the fight events he'd want selling the yeah, either a

3110
02:19:03.879 --> 02:19:04.520
<v Speaker 2>boring events.

3111
02:19:04.600 --> 02:19:07.360
<v Speaker 28>You know, he brought a suitcase again and he that's

3112
02:19:07.639 --> 02:19:08.959
<v Speaker 28>not that's nowhere near what.

3113
02:19:09.079 --> 02:19:09.879
<v Speaker 12>My company's worth.

3114
02:19:10.120 --> 02:19:11.040
<v Speaker 29>And then he ended up going.

3115
02:19:10.959 --> 02:19:14.319
<v Speaker 10>Bankrupt and even yeah, with through his bankruptcy. You know again,

3116
02:19:14.360 --> 02:19:16.079
<v Speaker 10>so when you go bankruptcy, were allowed to keep I

3117
02:19:16.120 --> 02:19:17.680
<v Speaker 10>think it's at the time, I don't know if it's changed,

3118
02:19:17.799 --> 02:19:19.920
<v Speaker 10>like seven thousand, five hundred dollars and tools of the trade.

3119
02:19:20.200 --> 02:19:21.920
<v Speaker 10>So that's again, if you're a plumber. You can keep

3120
02:19:21.920 --> 02:19:23.920
<v Speaker 10>your tools of the trades. Isn't this capsul be And

3121
02:19:24.000 --> 02:19:25.920
<v Speaker 10>so for him, he was arguing like, okay, well it's

3122
02:19:26.319 --> 02:19:28.479
<v Speaker 10>the ring, it's these desks, and again I think the things,

3123
02:19:28.479 --> 02:19:30.559
<v Speaker 10>all the things that were in the barn is separate

3124
02:19:30.600 --> 02:19:33.520
<v Speaker 10>through his bankruptcy proceedings, those all these things. And he's like, okay,

3125
02:19:33.559 --> 02:19:34.559
<v Speaker 10>and then the tapes, right.

3126
02:19:34.559 --> 02:19:36.440
<v Speaker 29>Like all these things that get my business, it takes

3127
02:19:36.520 --> 02:19:38.239
<v Speaker 29>to the show selling events anyway.

3128
02:19:38.319 --> 02:19:40.959
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, right, And so I guess I don't remember exactly

3129
02:19:41.000 --> 02:19:42.440
<v Speaker 10>how it was decided, but there was this back and

3130
02:19:42.520 --> 02:19:44.159
<v Speaker 10>forth where he said like, okay, all these things are

3131
02:19:44.159 --> 02:19:46.280
<v Speaker 10>worth less than seven thousand, five hundred dollars. And then

3132
02:19:46.559 --> 02:19:48.840
<v Speaker 10>the person going through like his bankruptcy estate, is like,

3133
02:19:49.040 --> 02:19:50.920
<v Speaker 10>I think these things are worth way more than see thousand,

3134
02:19:50.959 --> 02:19:53.079
<v Speaker 10>five hundred dollars. The tapes are working there, right, And

3135
02:19:53.120 --> 02:19:54.959
<v Speaker 10>so he was arguing, he was trying to again arguing

3136
02:19:55.000 --> 02:19:56.760
<v Speaker 10>that but no, no, this is all like this is

3137
02:19:57.600 --> 02:19:59.840
<v Speaker 10>worthless stuff. I wouldn't keep all this, but it's actually

3138
02:19:59.879 --> 02:20:03.319
<v Speaker 10>a valuable right, right. And so then I think the

3139
02:20:03.399 --> 02:20:06.200
<v Speaker 10>judge ended up deciding that like, okay, well we're going

3140
02:20:06.280 --> 02:20:09.879
<v Speaker 10>to allow the the executor of the estate to try

3141
02:20:09.959 --> 02:20:12.479
<v Speaker 10>and sell those things for what they're worth, and if

3142
02:20:12.520 --> 02:20:15.280
<v Speaker 10>it turns out to not be more than seven thousand,

3143
02:20:15.319 --> 02:20:17.200
<v Speaker 10>five hundred, then very can keep them. So I imagine

3144
02:20:17.239 --> 02:20:19.639
<v Speaker 10>it's sold or exactly how it happened.

3145
02:20:19.719 --> 02:20:20.239
<v Speaker 28>Yeah, that's true.

3146
02:20:20.719 --> 02:20:21.520
<v Speaker 10>Maybe that's when Vince.

3147
02:20:21.399 --> 02:20:22.479
<v Speaker 29>Boston over tapes.

3148
02:20:22.559 --> 02:20:24.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was kind of hard to trace as far

3149
02:20:24.280 --> 02:20:29.280
<v Speaker 2>as if they passed intermediary between Verne and Vince. But yeah,

3150
02:20:29.280 --> 02:20:31.159
<v Speaker 2>that's when the documentary came. That's that's how he was

3151
02:20:31.239 --> 02:20:33.239
<v Speaker 2>negotiating at the time. Vince, we'll give you the Hall

3152
02:20:33.280 --> 02:20:35.760
<v Speaker 2>of Fame. We'll do a documentary about how wonderful you

3153
02:20:35.879 --> 02:20:38.239
<v Speaker 2>are if you just give the tapes just because they

3154
02:20:38.280 --> 02:20:40.719
<v Speaker 2>put out a DVD about that and make money, and

3155
02:20:40.799 --> 02:20:43.959
<v Speaker 2>then later on the network gave those things a second

3156
02:20:44.040 --> 02:20:46.760
<v Speaker 2>life and that they were able to present. They didn't

3157
02:20:46.760 --> 02:20:48.760
<v Speaker 2>do an Aaba's case, which blows our mind. But like

3158
02:20:48.840 --> 02:20:52.360
<v Speaker 2>World Class, who doubts, you know, weekly television every year there,

3159
02:20:52.399 --> 02:20:54.799
<v Speaker 2>the whole library was there. They didn't buy it with

3160
02:20:54.879 --> 02:20:56.879
<v Speaker 2>that intention because there wasn't a network when they bought it.

3161
02:20:56.959 --> 02:20:59.200
<v Speaker 2>They just bought it to get the DVD release out,

3162
02:20:59.440 --> 02:21:02.120
<v Speaker 2>to claim ownership of whatever ways they could monetize it.

3163
02:21:02.159 --> 02:21:04.760
<v Speaker 2>They had like twenty four to seven and other outlets

3164
02:21:04.799 --> 02:21:07.440
<v Speaker 2>at the time they could use. But yeah, that takes

3165
02:21:07.479 --> 02:21:08.959
<v Speaker 2>us right to the day. So can we see the

3166
02:21:09.559 --> 02:21:12.319
<v Speaker 2>barn and stuff with the porn. It looks like it's

3167
02:21:12.399 --> 02:21:18.159
<v Speaker 2>calming down out there a little bit, alright, So I

3168
02:21:18.239 --> 02:21:18.799
<v Speaker 2>hate to put.

3169
02:21:18.680 --> 02:21:21.719
<v Speaker 29>You I'm gonna really rete.

3170
02:21:24.360 --> 02:21:27.079
<v Speaker 12>Amazing. There was still stuff in the barn. He left

3171
02:21:27.120 --> 02:21:28.719
<v Speaker 12>stuff in the barn still. It was like locked up

3172
02:21:28.920 --> 02:21:29.920
<v Speaker 12>and we'll walk over there.

3173
02:21:29.959 --> 02:21:32.200
<v Speaker 10>But it's it's like the maintenance shop, so like that's

3174
02:21:32.239 --> 02:21:35.799
<v Speaker 10>the offices for the it's and then so it's connected

3175
02:21:35.920 --> 02:21:38.319
<v Speaker 10>right across from the swim pond. So yeah, it's it's

3176
02:21:38.360 --> 02:21:39.079
<v Speaker 10>just getting.

3177
02:21:38.840 --> 02:21:40.479
<v Speaker 2>Mon use that.

3178
02:21:42.280 --> 02:21:42.600
<v Speaker 28>All right.

3179
02:21:42.600 --> 02:21:45.040
<v Speaker 2>We're now in the car with our friend Zach from

3180
02:21:45.079 --> 02:21:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Free Rivers Park District because we want to see the

3181
02:21:47.799 --> 02:21:50.239
<v Speaker 2>barn on the property. Now, this is not the barn

3182
02:21:50.559 --> 02:21:52.559
<v Speaker 2>where Verne would have trained Iron Chic and Rich Flair

3183
02:21:52.600 --> 02:21:56.079
<v Speaker 2>and Jimbernzell and Sergeant Slaughter. That's in Chanhassen that's been redeveloped.

3184
02:21:56.079 --> 02:21:57.680
<v Speaker 2>You can't even really go see it. But he did

3185
02:21:57.760 --> 02:22:00.200
<v Speaker 2>have a barn on property, as we talked about, which

3186
02:22:00.239 --> 02:22:01.799
<v Speaker 2>I think is the barn you'll see in the wrestler.

3187
02:22:01.799 --> 02:22:03.760
<v Speaker 2>And then Zach has told us it's also the barn

3188
02:22:03.760 --> 02:22:05.399
<v Speaker 2>where Vern would have kept a lot of quote tools

3189
02:22:05.440 --> 02:22:08.200
<v Speaker 2>of the trade. After this the sale happened to the property,

3190
02:22:08.239 --> 02:22:10.639
<v Speaker 2>but he kept things like you know, the wrestling ring,

3191
02:22:10.719 --> 02:22:12.639
<v Speaker 2>the a toba, perhaps a video library, a lot of

3192
02:22:12.680 --> 02:22:15.520
<v Speaker 2>stuff in that barn and that still stands. But because

3193
02:22:15.520 --> 02:22:17.079
<v Speaker 2>it's pouring rain, we didn't go on foot.

3194
02:22:17.079 --> 02:22:18.280
<v Speaker 12>We're gonna drive over there.

3195
02:22:18.799 --> 02:22:21.000
<v Speaker 2>So you're along for the ride, and right, Zach is

3196
02:22:21.079 --> 02:22:23.559
<v Speaker 2>kind enough to join us as well, placing a lot

3197
02:22:23.600 --> 02:22:25.879
<v Speaker 2>of trust in us that. But we made it here

3198
02:22:26.000 --> 02:22:27.399
<v Speaker 2>from Mason City.

3199
02:22:27.239 --> 02:22:28.920
<v Speaker 14>From Mason City. Didn't know if we're ever going to

3200
02:22:29.000 --> 02:22:30.879
<v Speaker 14>skape Mason City after for a while. But I don't

3201
02:22:30.879 --> 02:22:31.600
<v Speaker 14>know if you've been out.

3202
02:22:31.479 --> 02:22:34.159
<v Speaker 2>There, buddy, but it's uh, it's a place it's.

3203
02:22:34.000 --> 02:22:36.680
<v Speaker 7>Never been to Mason City. It's a place I loves.

3204
02:22:36.959 --> 02:22:40.479
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, so you'll see, Like so when this first opened,

3205
02:22:40.479 --> 02:22:42.360
<v Speaker 10>it was I said, a museum, and all that stuff

3206
02:22:42.360 --> 02:22:44.399
<v Speaker 10>has been taken out. I think it just didn't really

3207
02:22:44.440 --> 02:22:46.200
<v Speaker 10>work as like a visitor center, partly just because of

3208
02:22:46.239 --> 02:22:48.559
<v Speaker 10>like the parking. There's just nowhere to right put like

3209
02:22:48.600 --> 02:22:50.840
<v Speaker 10>a good parking down here, and then the boat launches

3210
02:22:50.840 --> 02:22:52.799
<v Speaker 10>over here on the right. And they wanted to put

3211
02:22:52.799 --> 02:22:55.000
<v Speaker 10>a beach down here too, but just the shore isn't

3212
02:22:55.040 --> 02:22:56.639
<v Speaker 10>really right here to have a beach, and again there

3213
02:22:56.680 --> 02:22:58.639
<v Speaker 10>isn't parking down your seat have to park at the

3214
02:22:58.719 --> 02:23:00.200
<v Speaker 10>top of the hill and walk all the way down

3215
02:23:00.239 --> 02:23:02.159
<v Speaker 10>to the beach that's here.

3216
02:23:02.280 --> 02:23:03.840
<v Speaker 7>So that's why they ended up putting the swim pond

3217
02:23:03.920 --> 02:23:04.840
<v Speaker 7>in what direction?

3218
02:23:05.360 --> 02:23:06.719
<v Speaker 12>Take a left, Take your left, Okay, thank you.

3219
02:23:08.399 --> 02:23:11.719
<v Speaker 2>The sweeping few I didn't expect, like maybe because it's

3220
02:23:11.799 --> 02:23:13.639
<v Speaker 2>raining and there's fog, but I can't see the other

3221
02:23:13.719 --> 02:23:14.200
<v Speaker 2>side of them.

3222
02:23:14.319 --> 02:23:15.879
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, it's because the fire. I guess you a little

3223
02:23:15.879 --> 02:23:19.000
<v Speaker 14>bit of that side. But it's it's all.

3224
02:23:19.280 --> 02:23:20.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why a pictures so much smaller.

3225
02:23:21.559 --> 02:23:22.159
<v Speaker 5>What do you call it?

3226
02:23:22.479 --> 02:23:22.879
<v Speaker 2>Horizon?

3227
02:23:23.040 --> 02:23:23.079
<v Speaker 7>No?

3228
02:23:23.200 --> 02:23:23.879
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, the.

3229
02:23:27.239 --> 02:23:30.600
<v Speaker 12>Oh my god, whatever, it doesn't matter. I'm losing it.

3230
02:23:32.440 --> 02:23:34.920
<v Speaker 12>But like the it goes in in the bays, like

3231
02:23:35.000 --> 02:23:37.079
<v Speaker 12>their bays they're all, but there are a bunch of bays, like.

3232
02:23:37.159 --> 02:23:37.879
<v Speaker 2>It's all.

3233
02:23:40.760 --> 02:23:41.399
<v Speaker 10>On the other side.

3234
02:23:41.520 --> 02:23:43.920
<v Speaker 14>It's all these little again. It looks like the a

3235
02:23:44.079 --> 02:23:45.920
<v Speaker 14>W a bell. It looks like that belt all these

3236
02:23:46.000 --> 02:23:47.600
<v Speaker 14>bays and you know, maybe that was the inspiration.

3237
02:23:48.440 --> 02:23:51.559
<v Speaker 10>We figured that out. So then up here on the right,

3238
02:23:51.639 --> 02:23:53.879
<v Speaker 10>you'll see the ruins of that historic house. I was

3239
02:23:53.879 --> 02:23:57.360
<v Speaker 10>talking about that the first person that is Joseph Schmid. Yep,

3240
02:23:57.440 --> 02:24:00.319
<v Speaker 10>it'll be up here on the right, so or oh sorry,

3241
02:24:00.360 --> 02:24:01.920
<v Speaker 10>a little bit farther, yeah, yep.

3242
02:24:02.200 --> 02:24:02.639
<v Speaker 24>And then.

3243
02:24:04.600 --> 02:24:08.280
<v Speaker 7>So it's preserved as a like an archaeological.

3244
02:24:07.879 --> 02:24:12.479
<v Speaker 12>Architectures that come out here and look over there, Wow.

3245
02:24:13.079 --> 02:24:15.639
<v Speaker 2>Ancient Mayan like we're preserved.

3246
02:24:15.920 --> 02:24:18.159
<v Speaker 10>So we we're supposed to preserve it like in this state,

3247
02:24:18.200 --> 02:24:20.280
<v Speaker 10>we're not supposed to like rebuild it. So we're preserving

3248
02:24:20.319 --> 02:24:22.159
<v Speaker 10>it as a ruin. But we filled in the basement of.

3249
02:24:22.120 --> 02:24:23.440
<v Speaker 7>Stuff so you can walk around the.

3250
02:24:25.159 --> 02:24:26.639
<v Speaker 10>Foot What was that?

3251
02:24:26.719 --> 02:24:27.360
<v Speaker 12>What was that built?

3252
02:24:27.840 --> 02:24:28.799
<v Speaker 7>Eighteen seventy six.

3253
02:24:30.959 --> 02:24:31.760
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing.

3254
02:24:32.120 --> 02:24:39.120
<v Speaker 12>I didn't see that seriously looking for vern look looks seeking.

3255
02:24:40.040 --> 02:24:41.680
<v Speaker 10>And I've talked to people that had seen him out

3256
02:24:41.680 --> 02:24:43.239
<v Speaker 10>here after it became a park, that he would come

3257
02:24:43.280 --> 02:24:45.719
<v Speaker 10>out and walk the grounds and stuff and talk to

3258
02:24:45.840 --> 02:24:46.840
<v Speaker 10>him after it became a part.

3259
02:24:47.319 --> 02:24:49.319
<v Speaker 14>No kidding, So you come out trying to sneak back

3260
02:24:49.319 --> 02:24:52.159
<v Speaker 14>in the house, to try to sneak in, lock the door.

3261
02:24:52.440 --> 02:24:53.319
<v Speaker 7>Take a sink with him.

3262
02:24:53.520 --> 02:24:56.879
<v Speaker 12>I mean, I mean that to me is.

3263
02:24:59.000 --> 02:25:01.360
<v Speaker 14>I like, I think to my itself, like, wow, it's

3264
02:25:01.360 --> 02:25:04.959
<v Speaker 14>gonna be hard. You know, you built that house and

3265
02:25:05.079 --> 02:25:07.760
<v Speaker 14>it's still there. In a weird way, I would imagine,

3266
02:25:08.239 --> 02:25:10.680
<v Speaker 14>I would imagine that he would have wanted destroyed to

3267
02:25:10.920 --> 02:25:13.719
<v Speaker 14>like so that, you know, but now he's got, you know,

3268
02:25:13.879 --> 02:25:15.239
<v Speaker 14>other people in his house.

3269
02:25:15.280 --> 02:25:17.159
<v Speaker 2>Do you know if any consideration was ever given to

3270
02:25:17.200 --> 02:25:18.319
<v Speaker 2>that of leveling it.

3271
02:25:19.440 --> 02:25:20.000
<v Speaker 7>I don't think so.

3272
02:25:20.079 --> 02:25:22.120
<v Speaker 10>I think that the plan was always to use the

3273
02:25:22.200 --> 02:25:25.079
<v Speaker 10>building for some kind of public amenity, like okay, I understand.

3274
02:25:25.120 --> 02:25:26.639
<v Speaker 10>And so to our right here you can see there's

3275
02:25:26.639 --> 02:25:29.680
<v Speaker 10>a trail that'll go like under the road, and that

3276
02:25:29.799 --> 02:25:32.040
<v Speaker 10>goes to the bigger part of the park that is

3277
02:25:32.120 --> 02:25:35.079
<v Speaker 10>actually mostly undeveloped. So the area we're in is actually

3278
02:25:35.079 --> 02:25:37.879
<v Speaker 10>a small area of the entire park. Most of the

3279
02:25:37.920 --> 02:25:39.959
<v Speaker 10>park is over there, and a lot of people hardly

3280
02:25:40.000 --> 02:25:42.680
<v Speaker 10>ever see because it's just a couple of hiking trails

3281
02:25:42.719 --> 02:25:47.000
<v Speaker 10>and mostly undeveloped for wildlife habitat. And three of His

3282
02:25:47.159 --> 02:25:49.799
<v Speaker 10>uses what we call the eighty twenty rule that in

3283
02:25:50.000 --> 02:25:52.520
<v Speaker 10>general only twenty percent of our parks are developed for

3284
02:25:52.639 --> 02:25:56.479
<v Speaker 10>human use, and then eighty percent are left for wildlife habitat,

3285
02:25:56.639 --> 02:26:01.239
<v Speaker 10>oh natural space straight through here.

3286
02:26:03.040 --> 02:26:05.040
<v Speaker 2>We're actually really lucky it's so rainy because there's no

3287
02:26:05.079 --> 02:26:09.040
<v Speaker 2>one right we can we can roll slow and I

3288
02:26:09.079 --> 02:26:11.120
<v Speaker 2>feel like, I mean, I'm getting in anybody's way doing

3289
02:26:11.200 --> 02:26:13.639
<v Speaker 2>the silliness, you know, But it's wonderful.

3290
02:26:13.680 --> 02:26:13.840
<v Speaker 5>Man.

3291
02:26:13.959 --> 02:26:16.479
<v Speaker 2>This is like we're gonna have so much more texture

3292
02:26:16.479 --> 02:26:18.600
<v Speaker 2>when we think about age. Oh, I know, I know,

3293
02:26:20.719 --> 02:26:24.360
<v Speaker 2>it's just it means so much more how swimming as

3294
02:26:24.399 --> 02:26:27.159
<v Speaker 2>far as like if a heavy rain, is the swim

3295
02:26:27.280 --> 02:26:29.479
<v Speaker 2>area off limits for a little while due.

3296
02:26:29.399 --> 02:26:31.239
<v Speaker 7>To like that, I think it's technically open.

3297
02:26:31.280 --> 02:26:33.319
<v Speaker 10>They've got I don't know if the lifeguards around their

3298
02:26:33.360 --> 02:26:35.760
<v Speaker 10>tower right now, but it's I know that they they've got.

3299
02:26:35.680 --> 02:26:37.799
<v Speaker 7>Staff scheduled for today. So it's always you guys want,

3300
02:26:37.799 --> 02:26:39.600
<v Speaker 7>I think swing through the concession standing get lunch. She

3301
02:26:39.680 --> 02:26:42.559
<v Speaker 7>can go get a hot dog or something. So here's

3302
02:26:42.559 --> 02:26:43.440
<v Speaker 7>the big playground here.

3303
02:26:44.600 --> 02:26:47.600
<v Speaker 10>It's sort of like nautical themes, like the steamboats on

3304
02:26:47.680 --> 02:26:51.680
<v Speaker 10>like Bannatonka. And then there's a picnic shelter back there,

3305
02:26:51.719 --> 02:26:52.840
<v Speaker 10>so that gets rented for a lot of.

3306
02:26:52.959 --> 02:26:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Like large groups have been here when Verne lived in

3307
02:26:55.159 --> 02:26:56.079
<v Speaker 2>the house Green.

3308
02:26:56.680 --> 02:26:56.799
<v Speaker 24>Uh.

3309
02:26:57.319 --> 02:26:59.600
<v Speaker 7>This actually we're kind of coming up to the road.

3310
02:26:59.680 --> 02:27:04.040
<v Speaker 10>Actually originally used to come through here, and uh, you

3311
02:27:04.120 --> 02:27:06.479
<v Speaker 10>got rerouted eventually, but so this was just kind of

3312
02:27:06.520 --> 02:27:09.079
<v Speaker 10>mostly undeveloped and I'd have like, hey, the pasture and stuff.

3313
02:27:09.600 --> 02:27:11.719
<v Speaker 10>So now so his horse barn is straight ahead. That's

3314
02:27:11.799 --> 02:27:14.760
<v Speaker 10>the horse bar right there. Ye, and so we might

3315
02:27:14.840 --> 02:27:16.760
<v Speaker 10>have to park in the lot. Let's see.

3316
02:27:18.159 --> 02:27:20.719
<v Speaker 7>If you guys pull in here.

3317
02:27:20.840 --> 02:27:23.959
<v Speaker 10>Okay, yeah, maintenance a lot. But I'm in my three

3318
02:27:24.040 --> 02:27:29.000
<v Speaker 10>years gear and they knew we were. So let's see

3319
02:27:29.440 --> 02:27:32.319
<v Speaker 10>if you can find a spot to pull up. There's

3320
02:27:32.360 --> 02:27:34.040
<v Speaker 10>kind of like parking spots right there. Yeah.

3321
02:27:34.760 --> 02:27:36.280
<v Speaker 7>Where do you see all the cars in their cars?

3322
02:27:38.200 --> 02:27:41.159
<v Speaker 24>It's awesome. So this was Verne's barn. You would have

3323
02:27:41.440 --> 02:27:42.719
<v Speaker 24>had to get in a car and drive over here.

3324
02:27:42.799 --> 02:27:44.719
<v Speaker 10>Probably is this the bar?

3325
02:27:44.760 --> 02:27:47.840
<v Speaker 14>And you were thinking no, don't well no, no, you're

3326
02:27:47.879 --> 02:27:51.159
<v Speaker 14>thinking of the I wonder if they if they if

3327
02:27:51.200 --> 02:27:54.600
<v Speaker 14>they shot it in different places and just cut it together.

3328
02:27:54.760 --> 02:27:56.719
<v Speaker 12>Was the other barn on the water? Was it near

3329
02:27:56.760 --> 02:27:57.040
<v Speaker 12>the water?

3330
02:27:57.239 --> 02:27:59.840
<v Speaker 7>It was near a lake, but not like right near lake.

3331
02:28:00.280 --> 02:28:01.680
<v Speaker 12>They might I bet I wonder if they did that,

3332
02:28:01.879 --> 02:28:02.840
<v Speaker 12>if they just treated it.

3333
02:28:04.959 --> 02:28:06.799
<v Speaker 7>So it's a maintenance shop today.

3334
02:28:06.959 --> 02:28:09.680
<v Speaker 10>So you can see there's this is where all the

3335
02:28:09.840 --> 02:28:12.239
<v Speaker 10>people who do the maintenance for not just this park,

3336
02:28:12.319 --> 02:28:14.479
<v Speaker 10>but some of the other parks nearby. But well, now

3337
02:28:14.559 --> 02:28:18.719
<v Speaker 10>that it's not in a shop and offices, this is

3338
02:28:18.799 --> 02:28:20.319
<v Speaker 10>also like the facilities for.

3339
02:28:22.000 --> 02:28:24.959
<v Speaker 7>The all this gear for maintaining the swim pods.

3340
02:28:25.000 --> 02:28:26.680
<v Speaker 12>This is where he would have kept the too, kept

3341
02:28:26.680 --> 02:28:27.159
<v Speaker 12>all the stuff.

3342
02:28:27.200 --> 02:28:28.719
<v Speaker 10>And then yeah, this is where I think that he

3343
02:28:28.840 --> 02:28:31.159
<v Speaker 10>had in the outbuilding out here where he had the

3344
02:28:31.799 --> 02:28:34.280
<v Speaker 10>tools of the trade that he was paying rent to

3345
02:28:34.399 --> 02:28:35.440
<v Speaker 10>keep his stuff in the bar.

3346
02:28:35.399 --> 02:28:39.120
<v Speaker 12>And it's it's the same size as it was yep.

3347
02:28:39.479 --> 02:28:41.440
<v Speaker 12>So okay, so it's a big it's a big space.

3348
02:28:41.479 --> 02:28:42.040
<v Speaker 2>What do you want to do?

3349
02:28:43.239 --> 02:28:45.319
<v Speaker 12>I mean, inside, is there any is it it's all

3350
02:28:45.360 --> 02:28:46.079
<v Speaker 12>renovated or is.

3351
02:28:46.079 --> 02:28:48.840
<v Speaker 7>It it's all renovated so it's not park.

3352
02:28:49.000 --> 02:28:50.440
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I just want to see the outside to

3353
02:28:50.479 --> 02:28:53.239
<v Speaker 2>see if it was a vocative. Right, let's let's spare

3354
02:28:53.280 --> 02:28:56.319
<v Speaker 2>everybody and then get back to the house. But I

3355
02:28:56.479 --> 02:28:56.639
<v Speaker 2>like this.

3356
02:28:56.719 --> 02:28:57.680
<v Speaker 24>It's like a rolling tour.

3357
02:28:57.920 --> 02:29:00.559
<v Speaker 10>And then you want to when you get out of

3358
02:29:00.600 --> 02:29:02.879
<v Speaker 10>this gate, take them right, Okay, great, yeah, let us.

3359
02:29:02.840 --> 02:29:03.639
<v Speaker 24>Know where else we should go.

3360
02:29:05.920 --> 02:29:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Look at that.

3361
02:29:06.319 --> 02:29:08.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean that's he was here.

3362
02:29:08.120 --> 02:29:13.520
<v Speaker 12>You had horses came down and then he hid his

3363
02:29:13.600 --> 02:29:14.159
<v Speaker 12>shipping there.

3364
02:29:17.079 --> 02:29:19.760
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, pretty much, it's worthless stuff, very.

3365
02:29:22.920 --> 02:29:23.879
<v Speaker 12>Seven grand tops.

3366
02:29:24.000 --> 02:29:26.079
<v Speaker 10>And then kind of just straight in front of us

3367
02:29:27.600 --> 02:29:30.040
<v Speaker 10>through the woods there is where that caretaker's house was,

3368
02:29:30.799 --> 02:29:34.120
<v Speaker 10>and then that's been moved. And then if you kind

3369
02:29:34.159 --> 02:29:37.159
<v Speaker 10>of go around this corner here, we're a little below it.

3370
02:29:37.200 --> 02:29:38.879
<v Speaker 10>So it's hard to see, but we have this swim

3371
02:29:38.959 --> 02:29:43.000
<v Speaker 10>pond here and so it's got a sand bottom, but

3372
02:29:43.159 --> 02:29:44.360
<v Speaker 10>it's all chlorinated water.

3373
02:29:44.520 --> 02:29:48.559
<v Speaker 7>But so the water is from Lake Manataka up and chlorinated.

3374
02:29:48.680 --> 02:29:52.120
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, so it's like being at the beach, but it's

3375
02:29:52.200 --> 02:29:54.159
<v Speaker 10>chlorinated water, so it's without all the weeds and the

3376
02:29:54.200 --> 02:29:56.079
<v Speaker 10>fish smell and all that kind of stuff. And so

3377
02:29:56.120 --> 02:29:57.959
<v Speaker 10>it's incredibly popular for people that want to go to

3378
02:29:58.000 --> 02:30:00.879
<v Speaker 10>the beach. Kids, we should get so much.

3379
02:30:01.079 --> 02:30:02.079
<v Speaker 12>Would come tomorrow.

3380
02:30:02.440 --> 02:30:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Well this is the summer, but it's not hot enough.

3381
02:30:04.319 --> 02:30:06.239
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we'd love to take a gip uh.

3382
02:30:06.280 --> 02:30:08.120
<v Speaker 10>And so this nice big flat spot here m Unders

3383
02:30:08.120 --> 02:30:09.920
<v Speaker 10>saying is this is where like the horse arena was

3384
02:30:10.840 --> 02:30:13.399
<v Speaker 10>the horse arena, so like so the horse barn was there,

3385
02:30:13.399 --> 02:30:15.360
<v Speaker 10>and this is where you go out and ride the fence.

3386
02:30:16.520 --> 02:30:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's beautiful. I've never heard of is

3387
02:30:20.040 --> 02:30:22.520
<v Speaker 2>that a thing? A chlorinated water feature like that.

3388
02:30:22.600 --> 02:30:23.959
<v Speaker 7>We've got a couple of them through because I think

3389
02:30:23.959 --> 02:30:25.319
<v Speaker 7>they're becoming more popular.

3390
02:30:25.120 --> 02:30:27.120
<v Speaker 12>That I've never heard of that myself.

3391
02:30:27.239 --> 02:30:30.520
<v Speaker 10>It's just you get the benefits of the clarin into

3392
02:30:30.559 --> 02:30:32.280
<v Speaker 10>water without kind of you know, being on like the

3393
02:30:32.360 --> 02:30:37.079
<v Speaker 10>concrete pool setting and the way yep, you can go

3394
02:30:37.120 --> 02:30:40.360
<v Speaker 10>straight here. And so again we've kind of seen a

3395
02:30:40.440 --> 02:30:44.840
<v Speaker 10>small part of the park which again was mostly Burn's

3396
02:30:44.879 --> 02:30:50.040
<v Speaker 10>parcel here, but then north west of us was where

3397
02:30:50.120 --> 02:30:52.799
<v Speaker 10>like the break Virus had their property, so they they

3398
02:30:52.840 --> 02:30:56.440
<v Speaker 10>acquired the the creamery building from the Woodend Dairy Farm.

3399
02:30:56.559 --> 02:30:58.680
<v Speaker 10>Was this beautiful building where they would take the milk

3400
02:30:58.719 --> 02:31:02.079
<v Speaker 10>and cream and bottle it for shipping and stuff it.

3401
02:31:02.120 --> 02:31:05.479
<v Speaker 10>So it's this really awesome building that's been it was

3402
02:31:05.559 --> 02:31:07.959
<v Speaker 10>just so far gone that that was torn down maybe

3403
02:31:08.840 --> 02:31:12.520
<v Speaker 10>ten fifteen years ago and can't remember. But then most

3404
02:31:12.600 --> 02:31:14.079
<v Speaker 10>of the park is actually on the other side of

3405
02:31:14.159 --> 02:31:14.600
<v Speaker 10>that road.

3406
02:31:15.159 --> 02:31:15.280
<v Speaker 24>Uh.

3407
02:31:16.120 --> 02:31:18.840
<v Speaker 10>That again, the biggest part of that belongs to Ed Pauls.

3408
02:31:18.879 --> 02:31:20.120
<v Speaker 7>The adventure of the Nordic Track.

3409
02:31:21.840 --> 02:31:25.079
<v Speaker 12>That's a great piece of history. Does does Greg come

3410
02:31:25.120 --> 02:31:25.920
<v Speaker 12>by the house at all?

3411
02:31:26.959 --> 02:31:29.280
<v Speaker 7>I've never talked to him. I haven't seen him. I'd

3412
02:31:29.319 --> 02:31:30.639
<v Speaker 7>love to talk to Greg at some point.

3413
02:31:30.760 --> 02:31:33.159
<v Speaker 24>I know he's in he's in town at the convention

3414
02:31:33.360 --> 02:31:36.040
<v Speaker 24>at the US.

3415
02:31:35.719 --> 02:31:36.280
<v Speaker 2>They call it WUS.

3416
02:31:36.760 --> 02:31:37.360
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I heard it.

3417
02:31:37.639 --> 02:31:39.719
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, there was a guy reached out to me from

3418
02:31:40.399 --> 02:31:43.360
<v Speaker 10>New Zealand that he's coming to town for SummerSlam and

3419
02:31:43.399 --> 02:31:45.159
<v Speaker 10>wanted to come and visit the house. Wow.

3420
02:31:47.440 --> 02:31:53.559
<v Speaker 14>Actually, the only asologize that at the point that we

3421
02:31:53.719 --> 02:31:57.280
<v Speaker 14>create these these incredible like you know, right, and.

3422
02:31:57.840 --> 02:32:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Then we get to go and discover if any it's anywhere,

3423
02:32:01.559 --> 02:32:04.399
<v Speaker 2>and get all excited with a little more a little.

3424
02:32:04.200 --> 02:32:10.719
<v Speaker 12>Bit, I would feeling that at some point I think that's.

3425
02:32:10.440 --> 02:32:13.959
<v Speaker 10>Great again where I you know, having seen the documentary

3426
02:32:13.959 --> 02:32:16.200
<v Speaker 10>and I couldn't I completely understand him having hard feelings

3427
02:32:16.239 --> 02:32:19.920
<v Speaker 10>of the course, but just being a wrestling band. And

3428
02:32:21.040 --> 02:32:24.440
<v Speaker 10>one thing again that I love doing about this job,

3429
02:32:24.520 --> 02:32:26.600
<v Speaker 10>particularly here, is just telling the history of the land,

3430
02:32:26.639 --> 02:32:29.120
<v Speaker 10>which in this park again it's it's the Schmids, and

3431
02:32:29.239 --> 02:32:31.360
<v Speaker 10>it's the the native people that have lived here for

3432
02:32:31.479 --> 02:32:33.440
<v Speaker 10>thousands of years, and it's Albert Waring in the Wooden

3433
02:32:33.520 --> 02:32:33.959
<v Speaker 10>Dairy Farm.

3434
02:32:34.000 --> 02:32:36.120
<v Speaker 7>But a chapter of this land story, of course, is

3435
02:32:36.600 --> 02:32:38.479
<v Speaker 7>for in Ghania and the Ghania family, and so I

3436
02:32:38.680 --> 02:32:38.959
<v Speaker 7>like that.

3437
02:32:39.360 --> 02:32:42.399
<v Speaker 2>Your interest in the statue.

3438
02:32:43.040 --> 02:32:45.879
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, so yeah, the swim pond. Have you imagine right

3439
02:32:45.879 --> 02:32:50.200
<v Speaker 10>there there with a plaque talking about him.

3440
02:32:50.319 --> 02:32:53.920
<v Speaker 2>We're on board, We're on board. They have a nice

3441
02:32:53.959 --> 02:32:57.000
<v Speaker 2>support Dan Gables statue at the Museum and Water that

3442
02:32:57.040 --> 02:32:58.319
<v Speaker 2>I think is right on the idea of what you're

3443
02:32:58.319 --> 02:32:58.760
<v Speaker 2>talking about.

3444
02:32:58.840 --> 02:33:00.440
<v Speaker 7>I mean, wrestlers make such great statues.

3445
02:33:02.639 --> 02:33:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, damn wasn't even a pro. So he wasn't even

3446
02:33:04.760 --> 02:33:08.959
<v Speaker 2>like this huge charismatic guy. I'm gonna go down to

3447
02:33:08.959 --> 02:33:10.079
<v Speaker 2>the boat launch. Is that drivable?

3448
02:33:10.200 --> 02:33:10.360
<v Speaker 10>Yeah?

3449
02:33:10.719 --> 02:33:11.520
<v Speaker 24>Checkaftick on that.

3450
02:33:12.040 --> 02:33:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, they're keeping a plot there.

3451
02:33:14.040 --> 02:33:17.440
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, it's funny. We're just looking over here.

3452
02:33:17.479 --> 02:33:21.319
<v Speaker 10>We're thing.

3453
02:33:22.239 --> 02:33:22.639
<v Speaker 7>Don't look.

3454
02:33:23.040 --> 02:33:25.319
<v Speaker 12>Actually I was like, oh, maybe that's it. Maybe that's it.

3455
02:33:26.680 --> 02:33:28.840
<v Speaker 14>That's why he sat down the right right, So we're

3456
02:33:28.879 --> 02:33:34.399
<v Speaker 14>just like this. It was wild to think of this

3457
02:33:34.520 --> 02:33:37.040
<v Speaker 14>before the parking spaces and so this is all he

3458
02:33:37.040 --> 02:33:38.360
<v Speaker 14>would This is how he would have gotten down to

3459
02:33:38.399 --> 02:33:38.680
<v Speaker 14>his house.

3460
02:33:39.559 --> 02:33:41.000
<v Speaker 7>It's obviously been Was it paved?

3461
02:33:41.079 --> 02:33:42.840
<v Speaker 12>It was back then he would have been a paidro

3462
02:33:43.079 --> 02:33:43.680
<v Speaker 12>you know, I don't know.

3463
02:33:43.879 --> 02:33:46.559
<v Speaker 7>I imagine it was paved. Just be terrible for like

3464
02:33:46.600 --> 02:33:47.360
<v Speaker 7>a gravel driveway.

3465
02:33:48.120 --> 02:33:50.159
<v Speaker 2>So I imagine was there a deal where, like you know,

3466
02:33:50.239 --> 02:33:53.559
<v Speaker 2>snow plowing I was good looking next port handled collectively

3467
02:33:53.639 --> 02:33:54.440
<v Speaker 2>by the owners or.

3468
02:33:54.760 --> 02:33:55.079
<v Speaker 12>I don't know.

3469
02:33:55.479 --> 02:33:57.159
<v Speaker 10>I mean I think it was just his driveway so

3470
02:33:57.399 --> 02:34:00.600
<v Speaker 10>that he didn't really basically from when you enter the

3471
02:34:00.639 --> 02:34:02.440
<v Speaker 10>park all the way to hear was his driveway in

3472
02:34:02.520 --> 02:34:04.399
<v Speaker 10>a long driveway to get That's the other thing, is

3473
02:34:04.440 --> 02:34:05.559
<v Speaker 10>like it was really tucked.

3474
02:34:05.360 --> 02:34:06.799
<v Speaker 7>Back in here for being right on the lake.

3475
02:34:07.680 --> 02:34:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because if basically once you pass his house you

3476
02:34:09.680 --> 02:34:12.079
<v Speaker 2>come to an end, it's not you don't continue to

3477
02:34:12.159 --> 02:34:12.719
<v Speaker 2>circle the lake.

3478
02:34:12.799 --> 02:34:13.120
<v Speaker 24>This is it.

3479
02:34:13.200 --> 02:34:17.399
<v Speaker 2>It terminates. What do you launched his boats roughly around here.

3480
02:34:18.280 --> 02:34:19.600
<v Speaker 7>I don't know if he used this, I don't he

3481
02:34:19.680 --> 02:34:21.440
<v Speaker 7>had I think a dot closer to his house.

3482
02:34:21.680 --> 02:34:28.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the life it really is. Yeah, we were

3483
02:34:29.000 --> 02:34:31.239
<v Speaker 2>talking tact about how you know, vern is kind of

3484
02:34:31.719 --> 02:34:34.079
<v Speaker 2>you could easily make like a biopic about him as

3485
02:34:34.120 --> 02:34:37.680
<v Speaker 2>like a tragic figure, but somebody who like just clung

3486
02:34:37.799 --> 02:34:40.719
<v Speaker 2>to a way of life that like had passed by

3487
02:34:40.840 --> 02:34:43.559
<v Speaker 2>and wasn't like you know what I mean, he wasn't

3488
02:34:43.680 --> 02:34:46.840
<v Speaker 2>really ready to see that. The house serves as an example,

3489
02:34:46.879 --> 02:34:47.159
<v Speaker 2>not just.

3490
02:34:47.200 --> 02:34:50.520
<v Speaker 12>A day he stopped evolving at one point.

3491
02:34:52.079 --> 02:34:54.719
<v Speaker 24>That he could force things to his idea of how

3492
02:34:54.799 --> 02:34:55.200
<v Speaker 24>it should be.

3493
02:34:56.479 --> 02:35:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Just a certain point in the world stopped reciprocating right right,

3494
02:35:00.799 --> 02:35:01.600
<v Speaker 2>because the world does.

3495
02:35:02.159 --> 02:35:07.600
<v Speaker 12>The world does at some point driving and this is

3496
02:35:07.639 --> 02:35:08.360
<v Speaker 12>what you see.

3497
02:35:10.799 --> 02:35:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Causes here some of the boys just pulled out.

3498
02:35:15.079 --> 02:35:18.200
<v Speaker 12>Oh, just tremendous.

3499
02:35:19.639 --> 02:35:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, Zach, we want to thank you so much for

3500
02:35:22.200 --> 02:35:24.000
<v Speaker 2>hosting us. This is more than we could have ever

3501
02:35:24.360 --> 02:35:27.079
<v Speaker 2>hoped for. You're an incredible host, and we thank the

3502
02:35:27.120 --> 02:35:29.479
<v Speaker 2>three Rivers Park District as well for deeming us worthy

3503
02:35:29.520 --> 02:35:32.040
<v Speaker 2>of a very bizarre visit. But I have the feeling,

3504
02:35:32.120 --> 02:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>by the time we circulate this many more will be

3505
02:35:35.360 --> 02:35:38.879
<v Speaker 2>interesting something similar that is true physics.

3506
02:35:38.920 --> 02:35:42.399
<v Speaker 12>This might have some visits this weekend for people when we.

3507
02:35:42.479 --> 02:35:44.360
<v Speaker 10>Do get people that kind of just walk through or

3508
02:35:44.479 --> 02:35:45.799
<v Speaker 10>you know, the kind of passed through because like, oh,

3509
02:35:45.879 --> 02:35:47.399
<v Speaker 10>is this the Gania house, And so I imagine, yeah,

3510
02:35:47.440 --> 02:35:49.079
<v Speaker 10>this weekend of the traffic will pick.

3511
02:35:49.040 --> 02:35:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Up a little bit more and hopefully if you guys

3512
02:35:51.159 --> 02:35:53.719
<v Speaker 2>are hoping for that, you'll get it.

3513
02:35:53.840 --> 02:35:54.680
<v Speaker 10>So thanks for having me on.

3514
02:35:55.159 --> 02:35:58.520
<v Speaker 7>It's been a pleasure, appreciate it. Glad to share the story.

3515
02:36:00.360 --> 02:36:03.959
<v Speaker 2>Preceding plays a production of the labs Entertainment Group. Its

3516
02:36:04.040 --> 02:36:06.319
<v Speaker 2>content is intended for private use only.

3517
02:36:10.280 --> 02:36:10.680
<v Speaker 3>We want