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<v Speaker 1>Joining us now is someone who has spent their life

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<v Speaker 1>during reconnaissance and surveillance. He is now into drones, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're going to find this very interesting. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about what happened in the Great Drone

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<v Speaker 1>Mystery back in the I guess is about a year

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<v Speaker 1>and a half ago back on the East Coast, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as what has recently happened with some drones. Scene

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<v Speaker 1>of the military basis where Warpete and Rubio live and

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<v Speaker 1>the threat really that it presents to all of us,

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<v Speaker 1>and how it is completely upending really the military order,

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<v Speaker 1>I think. So joining us now is John Ferguson, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a couple of different places where you can

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<v Speaker 1>find him. He's got Saxon Unmanned as his company, and

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<v Speaker 1>they have Saxon Unmanned dot com. He also has a

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<v Speaker 1>website about his personal story, John Bferguson dot Com, which

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<v Speaker 1>is very fascinating. We will try to talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about that as well. And he's also got another

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<v Speaker 1>bus Java John's dot net just in case you're looking

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<v Speaker 1>for some coffee. But thank you for joining us, John.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you, it's very nice to be here. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's begin with the Great Drone mystery. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people trying to tie this into UFOs and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, well, they've got lights on them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll let you know. It's direction of the guard, so

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<v Speaker 1>that might be a tip off. This is not something

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<v Speaker 1>from another galaxy. But tell us, you know, when you

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<v Speaker 1>look at this investigation, what was your take on all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, again, thank you for having me on

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the whole drone thing back in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four and twenty five. You know, I just remember common

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<v Speaker 2>sense kind of a guy, and I just got really

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<v Speaker 2>tired of hearing are the people that we elected to

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<v Speaker 2>run this country and elect or run our states, We're

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<v Speaker 2>out there saying that they're coming out of the water

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<v Speaker 2>and they're running and flagships and all that stuff, And.

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<v Speaker 1>We had sheriffs who said, I can't catch them. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like a supernatural or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought, oh my gosh, this country is in

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<v Speaker 2>so much trouble if these are the people that are

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<v Speaker 2>running the country. So I just wanted to give a

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<v Speaker 2>common sense approach, you know, and really just show America

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<v Speaker 2>what as a manufacturer, a subject matter expert, And again

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<v Speaker 2>I've been. I've been in unmanned system technology for over

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<v Speaker 2>three decades, right, so I'm one of the few people

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States that has not only sub surface subsea,

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<v Speaker 2>but ocean surface and tactical robot crawlers and unmanned aerial

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<v Speaker 2>aircraft experience, right. So I'm really kind of a different

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<v Speaker 2>person than most. So I just wanted to give a

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<v Speaker 2>common sense approach. The thing is is that myself and

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<v Speaker 2>two other gentlemen have been working for quite some time

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<v Speaker 2>on trying to uncover the fact that some of the

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<v Speaker 2>old Soviet era nuclear warheads had come up missing. One

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty two of them that came up missing,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were put into the black market. And the

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<v Speaker 2>gentleman that I was working with had accidentally been exposed

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<v Speaker 2>to one of these warheads and became very sick, and

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<v Speaker 2>so from that point forward he was tracking these things

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<v Speaker 2>to try to find out where they were. And so

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<v Speaker 2>that's when they brought me in. And the information that

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<v Speaker 2>we had is that they were here and that they

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<v Speaker 2>were planning on using it as a false flag operation.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when all of these elected officials were out

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<v Speaker 2>there saying that they're aliens or little Green men or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know all this other stuff. I just felt

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<v Speaker 2>compelled to just say, look, folks, I couldn't say at

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<v Speaker 2>the time what exactly it was. I just said, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe that they're not looking for anything nefarious.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't try to shoot them down or I'm sorry. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think they're nefarious drones. I don't think they're an

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<v Speaker 2>abstracal nations drones. I think they're looking for something very specific,

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<v Speaker 2>and I believe that they're looking for the radioactive warhead

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<v Speaker 2>that we have been working on. We knew it was, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, so I had some synthesist letters

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<v Speaker 2>from the Biden administration, and of course I didn't cease

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't desist, but we we you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>kept going with our investigation, and we proved that this

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<v Speaker 2>is what they're looking for, right, and you know, they're

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<v Speaker 2>flying there, they're respecting somewhat of our FAA guidelines on

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<v Speaker 2>unmanned system flight operations. They had lights on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>They're they're trying to to somewhat fly within our rules. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I knew that they weren't in adversarial nations. And

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<v Speaker 2>then what what what administration would allow huge large aircraft

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<v Speaker 2>like that fly over our critical infrastructure without permission, like

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<v Speaker 2>this aircraft behind me. It's fourteen foot wing aircraft, one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty to uner grand at its base model.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, could you imagine an an adversarial nation flying

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<v Speaker 2>dozens and dozens of these over our critical infrastructure and

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<v Speaker 2>our country just gone. I don't know, so, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it just it didn't make sense to me. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>why I did that video. And then still to this day,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people had asked me, whatever happened did

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<v Speaker 2>they find the nuke? And I was like, wow, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. And so we had also recently uncovered that

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<v Speaker 2>that is still out there and it is still in

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<v Speaker 2>the hands of the bad guys, and they are planning

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<v Speaker 2>on using that thing September October of this year. So

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<v Speaker 2>we met with the authorities to try to bring this

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<v Speaker 2>to light and get these folks to investigate this, and

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<v Speaker 2>every time we brought it to the authorities, we've been

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<v Speaker 2>shut down. So it's all been dismissed. So we turned

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<v Speaker 2>over all of the black and white, the emails, the photos,

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<v Speaker 2>the videos. You know, there was a Pentagon report that

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<v Speaker 2>stated that they had thought in the nineties that one

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<v Speaker 2>of these assets was brought up over So what we

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<v Speaker 2>did is we proved to where it was processed, who

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<v Speaker 2>owned it, who sold it, who they sold it to,

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<v Speaker 2>how they packed it, how they shipped it, how they

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<v Speaker 2>brought it over here, who received it over here in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, and then we lost track of it

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<v Speaker 2>from there. So you know, these are acts. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And so who is this? Who are the bad actors that? Can?

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<v Speaker 1>You say? Who they are?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, all of the bad guys that people speculate

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<v Speaker 2>here in the United States are real, you know. Please,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to seem like I'm a politician and

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<v Speaker 2>dodging a question, but for my own safety, I sure

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<v Speaker 2>I think I should leave it at that. But all

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<v Speaker 2>of the bad actors that you know exist there. You're right,

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<v Speaker 2>they're there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Well that's one of the things that really

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<v Speaker 1>concerns me. When you look at Iran, for example, and

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<v Speaker 1>the drones that they have. You know, who knows how

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<v Speaker 1>many drones they've got. They were giving drones, selling drones

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<v Speaker 1>to Russia in the Ukraine War, so they were making

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<v Speaker 1>more than they thought they actually needed. So I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>quite a few of them that are there, and it

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<v Speaker 1>really has changed the face of warfare, hasn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>It absolutely has. And you know that's she heat drone is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a it's an adequate drone. And I

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<v Speaker 2>try to impress upon people that a drone doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to be this highly technologically advanced piece of equipment, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, my gosh, they're building drones out of cardboard.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and they're working, right, you know, they're building

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<v Speaker 2>them out of balsa wood, which they've been doing for decades. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So the only thing a drone has to do is

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<v Speaker 2>do its job. I know that sounds very basic, but

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<v Speaker 2>it just has to fly. You know, there's a five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars module in that aircraft, any aircraft, really a

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<v Speaker 2>commercial aircraft, that tells the drone exactly what to do,

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<v Speaker 2>when to do it, how much power to put out

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<v Speaker 2>to wherever, and you can fly them completely one percent autonomously.

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<v Speaker 2>You can. You can plug in the ordinance and tell

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<v Speaker 2>it what to do and just letter rip and you

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<v Speaker 2>can pack up and go home and and it'll just

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<v Speaker 2>go out there and just do the job. So it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to be technologically advanced. Again, it just has

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<v Speaker 2>to carry a payload and do its job, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really been an equalizer as and it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>improvised side roadside bombs that we saw in a rock,

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<v Speaker 1>except this is a lot more flexible, a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>reach that we've seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The drones that you sell at Saxon, tell us a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about your product line. You know, you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>the large one behind you. What type of drones do

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<v Speaker 1>you sell? How big are they, what are they capable

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<v Speaker 1>of doing? They carry a payload of you know how

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<v Speaker 1>much and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, the drones that that we build. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've developed a couple of different technologies that try to

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<v Speaker 2>help save lives. I've built subs, power pack systems, tactical crawlers,

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<v Speaker 2>and my drones are are kind of unique in the industry.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason why is because I've managed projects overseas

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<v Speaker 2>for submersible vehicles that have a cost of one point

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<v Speaker 2>two to one point five million dollars a day costs

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<v Speaker 2>and so you know, I've seen fifty cent parts drop

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<v Speaker 2>a project for two weeks, so there's one four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and forty minutes in the day. And when you have

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<v Speaker 2>a project that's one point five million dollars in value

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<v Speaker 2>or in cost per day. You know, every minute has

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<v Speaker 2>a huge dollar sign attached to it. So I developed

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<v Speaker 2>my tech my aircraft to be you know, modular, robust,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, very rugged, very dependable, and it's designed to

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<v Speaker 2>to save lives or to you know, provide intelligence that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, our our war fighters wouldn't normally get in

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<v Speaker 2>the battlefield with a high level of dependability. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, and of course you did that when you were

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<v Speaker 1>in the Marines. You were doing recon and you were

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<v Speaker 1>doing it in the water yourself, right, tell us a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I want to make sure that I don't over

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<v Speaker 2>oversell what I did in the Marine Corps because of

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<v Speaker 2>stolen valor and all that other stuff. But I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I was a scout swimmer, you know. I wasn't like

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<v Speaker 2>a Navy seal or a force ricon guy, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was. I was low level reconnaissance scout swimmer guys.

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<v Speaker 2>So they would drop us off in the water and

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<v Speaker 2>we would swim in and attack the beach or the

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<v Speaker 2>pier and do the reconnaissance and uh and then set

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<v Speaker 2>in lanes for the boat company the raiders to come

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<v Speaker 2>in and attack the objectives. So so yeah, I've I've

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<v Speaker 2>done a lot of reconnaissance types missions and and that's

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<v Speaker 2>really how I developed my companies because I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of be back in the Marine Corps have the

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<v Speaker 2>follow orders.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was a guy that I worked with at

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Instruments. I was a little bit older than I was,

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<v Speaker 1>and I told you this as we were talking off

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<v Speaker 1>air before the interview began, and they would do that

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<v Speaker 1>to him in Vietnam. They would take him and way

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<v Speaker 1>out and you know, behind enemy lines and drop them

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<v Speaker 1>in the jungle and they'd have to find their way

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<v Speaker 1>out to them several days and they're you know, trying

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<v Speaker 1>he'd wake up and there's spiders all over him and

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<v Speaker 1>enemy patrol just a few feet away. And he said

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<v Speaker 1>it was a really harrowing experience, and you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>that was then after you did that, they would fly

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<v Speaker 1>you to Hawaii for a couple of week vacation. Then

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<v Speaker 1>it was back into the jungle again. It's just like

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<v Speaker 1>you were doing stuff kind of like that, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>except in the water. And then now, as you point out,

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<v Speaker 1>with the drones, they can do that kind of surveillance

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<v Speaker 1>But talk a little bit about what you know in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the drones we see that are happening in

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<v Speaker 1>this Mid East war right now that's going on with Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>and how that has changed the battlefield and the threats

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<v Speaker 1>that presents to critical infrastructure here in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>If probably not something that's difficult for somebody to get

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's it's very serious. You've brought up a

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<v Speaker 2>try to collect that data. And you know, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>on an objective anymore, right, A two or three thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars drone that you buy at Best Buyer, Amazon will

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<v Speaker 2>do all of that for you. So you know, these

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<v Speaker 2>drones will fly over and they'll take pictures of critical

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure or the potential battlefield, and all of those images

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<v Speaker 2>have Geotag images on them. So you can take all

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<v Speaker 2>software and you can create a map. And this map

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<v Speaker 2>could be accurate down to less than an inch. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So every military map you'll ever see or pilot's map

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<v Speaker 2>always have elevations on them, and that's very important for

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<v Speaker 2>the digital elevation model that tells you the elevations, right,

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<v Speaker 2>or vehicles, and you can build a three D map

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<v Speaker 2>off of these. And so anytime you're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>an attack and objective that you will need to have

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<v Speaker 2>that data because maybe you want to blow up a building,

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<v Speaker 2>but you don't know how big of a missile you

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<v Speaker 2>need to use or whatever, but that information will tell you, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's more information that you'll collect in minutes over what

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<v Speaker 2>So that's very important, especially allowing drones to fly over

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<v Speaker 2>here domestically over our critical infrastructure. Now, the Ukraine and

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<v Speaker 2>the Russians have done an amazing job, not that I

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<v Speaker 2>Russians have done a fantastic job of revolutionizing the battlefield

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<v Speaker 2>because you can take less than a thousand dollars drone

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<v Speaker 2>and strap a grenade to it or some form of

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<v Speaker 2>an explosive and you can set it out on its mission,

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<v Speaker 2>and that can absolutely devastate the battlefield. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranian drones, I mean, these things are they're just

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<v Speaker 2>adequate drones, and they're highly capable, and they're terrifying, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they're used for now. The cartels, the Marine

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<v Speaker 2>Corps has published a few years ago during the Biden administration,

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<v Speaker 2>that the cartels were sending one hundred drones an hour,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours a day, seven days a week with fentanyl,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, coming into the United States. And I spent

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<v Speaker 2>several years working on the border to combat and narco terrorism,

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<v Speaker 2>human trafficking, and child sex trafficking. You know, I just

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<v Speaker 2>volunteered a lot of my time to do that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I also work south of the border doing the exact

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<v Speaker 2>same thing, and so I got a different perspective on

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff coming into the United States than most people do. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 2>with you know, all of this fentanyl and all these

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<v Speaker 2>they can just do it with drones. And the problem

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<v Speaker 2>is is that our counter drone defense is great. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of great companies out there building it, but

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<v Speaker 2>it needs to get better, and it needs to get

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<v Speaker 2>better fast because you know a lot of these things

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<v Speaker 2>can slip through the wire. But mostly it's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, we we get those incursions.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, you know, if we're going to be starting

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<v Speaker 1>wars everywhere with everybody, it's going to be not just

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<v Speaker 1>drugs coming across, but it's going to be things like

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<v Speaker 1>bombs and that that thing that's coming across as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So the drones that you have, like the large one

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<v Speaker 1>behind you, what would that be used for?

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<v Speaker 2>This is a great platform because it carries fifteen to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty pounds, and you know that fifteen to twenty pounds

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<v Speaker 2>can be a sensor, or it could be some form

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<v Speaker 2>of a munition. Of course we don't do that, got

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<v Speaker 2>to clarify that. But you know, it flies for eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>plus hours, not that you would fly a drone for

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<v Speaker 2>that long, but it's again it's very highly reliable. But

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<v Speaker 2>a drone is really just a platform to give a

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<v Speaker 2>sensor a ride, and give it a good ride, a

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<v Speaker 2>smooth ride. Right. So again you can put we can

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<v Speaker 2>use this for agriculture, we can use it for construction,

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<v Speaker 2>asset management, you can use it for search and rescue.

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<v Speaker 2>It's largely built for ISR, which is intelligent surveillance reconnaissance.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can put that little vault her at gimble

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<v Speaker 2>there to go gimble in there. You can zoom thirty

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<v Speaker 2>times zoom power down to a location, so you can

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<v Speaker 2>what's down there and if there's uh, you know, targets

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<v Speaker 2>of interest or whatever. You can loiter over a battlefield

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<v Speaker 2>as a loitering munition, so you can you can stay

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<v Speaker 2>aloft for many hours and wait for the bad guys

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<v Speaker 2>to come through, you know, or you know, find people

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<v Speaker 2>lost lost in the mountains, you know, so they're just

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing you can't do with these things. The only

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<v Speaker 2>things that limit you on drones is your imagination.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, well, in our area, we've got our own personal drone,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can't fly it because it's got so many

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<v Speaker 1>hawks around here. I look at these people, said, how

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<v Speaker 1>are we going to defend the kind of stuff is like, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's really small drones, you just get a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of predatory birds, don't you know. But they wouldn't do

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<v Speaker 1>too well against the one that's behind you.

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<v Speaker 2>But are very intelligent. I've done work with birds and drones,

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<v Speaker 2>and their birds are so intelligent. You would never realize

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<v Speaker 2>how intelligent they actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Are, you know. There was an interesting novel a few

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<v Speaker 1>years ago by Daniel Suarez is called Kill Decision. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you're familiar with that or not, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was really ahead of his time. It's about a

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<v Speaker 1>decade ago, and in it he was talking about drones

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<v Speaker 1>and the use of warfare, and it was very interesting

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<v Speaker 1>the way he constructed it because he had a confluence

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<v Speaker 1>of some military industrial types along with some people who

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<v Speaker 1>were entomologists insects, right, and so they came up with

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of a way to signal with each other like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, mimicking insects. That was that allowed them to

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<v Speaker 1>do swarm swarms of drones. Where are we in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of that? Do you think in terms of drone swarms?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing that is really concerning, And of course

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<v Speaker 1>you know when we look at warfare that that is

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<v Speaker 1>a real issue. What about drones drone swarms and being

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<v Speaker 1>able to lock onto a target and kind of have

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<v Speaker 1>some communication between them in terms of artificial intelligence and

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's again, that's a great question. You know, this

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<v Speaker 2>aircraft behind me here, it can swarm. You know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just software, right, so you know the autopilots will actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean again, the five hundred dollars autopilot will allow

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<v Speaker 2>you to swarm this type of an aircraft. It's five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars, right, So it's very insignificant. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people say that the Shahed drone is a thirty forty

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<v Speaker 2>or fifty thousand dollars drone, but I could I guarantee

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<v Speaker 2>I could make that drone for less than twenty grand, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But that drone can swarm. Swarm technology is wonderful and

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<v Speaker 2>you get to see all kinds of pretty stuff on

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<v Speaker 2>you know Super Bowl halftime shows and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wonderful. There is some technology issues that we have

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<v Speaker 2>with with swarming drones and when you have the larger drones,

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<v Speaker 2>the swarm. Yeah, that's a that's a problem. But is

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<v Speaker 2>it likely that we're here domestically in the United States

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<v Speaker 2>going to get hit with big drones like this in

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<v Speaker 2>a swarm. Not really, it's highly unlikely. But a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people have seen the videos where you got little

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<v Speaker 2>bitty small drones that can acquire a target and have

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<v Speaker 2>an explosive and you know, take take personnel out right

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<v Speaker 2>and using AI it can choose who to take out.

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<v Speaker 2>There are certain laws of physics that you can't overcome

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't you know, your your battery life, your

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<v Speaker 2>power consumption, and the power discharge from the battery to

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<v Speaker 2>keep the thing in the air is really limiting on

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<v Speaker 2>your amount of flight time. So those little bitty drones,

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<v Speaker 2>they only will get maybe three to five minutes of

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<v Speaker 2>flight time, So you can't watch it find a target,

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<v Speaker 2>acquire the target, then prosecute the target in three to

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes. It's just it's just not going to work.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think people need to be too concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about that at this time. The battery technology is not

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<v Speaker 2>out there yet. But that's not saying that we should

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<v Speaker 2>not be concerned about adversarial nations getting a hold of

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<v Speaker 2>small drones and utilizing them here in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course that video that was done was part

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<v Speaker 1>of a Ted talk thing I think somebody did work.

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<v Speaker 1>They were talking about those assassination drones, determining ones which

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<v Speaker 1>people are going to target, you know, and using that

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<v Speaker 1>against politicians in Congress or something like that. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's something that is down the road. It's just incremental

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<v Speaker 1>increases in technology, I guess. But the other aspect of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, we've had a couple of things that

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<v Speaker 1>have come out in the news recently that had some

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<v Speaker 1>domestic connections. One of them was the fact there's drones

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<v Speaker 1>flying over the House of Well, let's see if I

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<v Speaker 1>got the clip here, which one of those is Atlance

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<v Speaker 1>over the military basis here he got warpete and pointed

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<v Speaker 1>to the drones because they're flying over the military bases

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<v Speaker 1>where these guys are living. Because we had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of Trump administration people have now moved on to military bases,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they had these drones that were spotted over

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<v Speaker 1>that military base. Talk a little bit about that, what

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<v Speaker 1>was behind that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know a lot of people around the United

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<v Speaker 2>States are getting wrapped around the axles on this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course it's very ominous to think that an

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<v Speaker 2>adversarial nation can fly drones over our most critical infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 2>And are you know, executive leadership in our country right?

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<v Speaker 2>This happens all the time. It's not new to have

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<v Speaker 2>people who are ill equipped and ill informed to fly

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<v Speaker 2>their aircraft over these bases when they're not allowed to.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the Chinese have of course, the administration is

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<v Speaker 2>working on getting the Chinese spy drones out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>But they have a soft where built a software packet

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<v Speaker 2>that's integrated into the system where that it won't allow

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<v Speaker 2>you to fly into a no fly zone and those

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<v Speaker 2>are clearly marked on the maps. When you plan your route,

419
00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:18.480
<v Speaker 2>you can bypass that, but you are electing to bypass that,

420
00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.559
<v Speaker 2>and if you break the law, then you know that's

421
00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:25.519
<v Speaker 2>on you. And we also have what we call remote ID,

422
00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:28.839
<v Speaker 2>what's a little module that is in every aircraft sold

423
00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:31.960
<v Speaker 2>here in the United States that shows law enforcement of

424
00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:35.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, who owns the aircraft and then I believe

425
00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:38.400
<v Speaker 2>it shows the location of the pilot's ground station. I'm

426
00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:43.799
<v Speaker 2>not sure if that's correct, but you know, these people

427
00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:46.839
<v Speaker 2>can fly drones over military bases, and I think it's

428
00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:49.799
<v Speaker 2>just people doing stupid stuff. Again, I'll go back to

429
00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:53.160
<v Speaker 2>one of my original statements. Do you honestly think that

430
00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:58.079
<v Speaker 2>this administration or any other administration would allow this large

431
00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:03.079
<v Speaker 2>of a drone to fly over the base without permission?

432
00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because we just had that situation done Tomar a Lago.

433
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:08.480
<v Speaker 1>You had somebody who was sounded like they were kind

434
00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:11.440
<v Speaker 1>of out of it. There's no fly area there, and

435
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:14.240
<v Speaker 1>they sent up jets dinner scept them and they said,

436
00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:15.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, this guy, we kind of wake him up.

437
00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:18.599
<v Speaker 1>You know, basically, it's not any attention. But what was

438
00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:21.079
<v Speaker 1>really alarming to me was I saw these comments like

439
00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:23.160
<v Speaker 1>just blow him out of the sky. You know, this

440
00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:25.680
<v Speaker 1>guy doesn't deserve to live, and is like, WHOA, let's

441
00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:31.279
<v Speaker 1>back up a little bit here. But but yeah, they're

442
00:24:31.359 --> 00:24:34.200
<v Speaker 1>very quick to scramble the jets for things like that.

443
00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:38.079
<v Speaker 1>And of course, even if it's flying over the homes

444
00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.480
<v Speaker 1>of politicians, high level politicians like that, there's going to

445
00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:45.559
<v Speaker 1>be pretty hardened targets what's not hardened, I think are

446
00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:49.799
<v Speaker 1>the utotally power plants or things like oil refineries here

447
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.799
<v Speaker 1>in this country. There's so many issues with that. They

448
00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:57.160
<v Speaker 1>immediately started talking about, well, we got to worry about

449
00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:59.359
<v Speaker 1>our AI data centers, So we're going to have some

450
00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:03.559
<v Speaker 1>automatic guns that are maybe driven by AI that are

451
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:06.559
<v Speaker 1>going to shoot these things down. It's like, well, yeah,

452
00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:09.000
<v Speaker 1>they don't ever talk about it for us though, you know,

453
00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:12.240
<v Speaker 1>they're worried about our high ranking officials. They're worried about

454
00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:15.240
<v Speaker 1>the artificial intelligence it's going to be used to spy

455
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.279
<v Speaker 1>and surveil us, but they're not really worried about whether

456
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:20.960
<v Speaker 1>or not we can turn the lights on. That seems

457
00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:23.039
<v Speaker 1>to be the common thread with all this stuff.

458
00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, I would challenge you to go back in our

459
00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:29.720
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty year history and find any administration

460
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:31.759
<v Speaker 2>that gives a damn about the American people.

461
00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Right, that's right.

462
00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.200
<v Speaker 2>But you know you can shoot these drones down. The

463
00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:40.960
<v Speaker 2>problem is that we trip over our own bureaucracy here

464
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:43.440
<v Speaker 2>in the United States where other countries don't. You know,

465
00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:47.240
<v Speaker 2>you can disrupt the frequency with these drones and they

466
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:50.039
<v Speaker 2>have frequency hopping, so typically we use two point four

467
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:54.160
<v Speaker 2>or five point eight or nine hundred, you know frequency

468
00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:59.160
<v Speaker 2>here to fly our aircraft. That's pretty common, right, There's

469
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:01.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of other bands. But you know, when you

470
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:06.559
<v Speaker 2>hit a drone with some sort of frequency disruptor, you know,

471
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:08.880
<v Speaker 2>they can frequency hop and they can switch to a

472
00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:12.359
<v Speaker 2>different preak and continue on. So those are difficult. You

473
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:14.440
<v Speaker 2>can shoot them with lasers, you can shoot them with

474
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:17.519
<v Speaker 2>microwave pulses, or you can just shoot them with bullets.

475
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.759
<v Speaker 2>The problem is, okay, if you've identified the drone and

476
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:24.319
<v Speaker 2>you're going to make that decision to take that drone down,

477
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:26.240
<v Speaker 2>but what about the family of four that's in the

478
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:28.880
<v Speaker 2>cessna that's ten thousand feet you know, just because you

479
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:33.440
<v Speaker 2>shoot some form of an energy weapon or whatever frequency

480
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:37.240
<v Speaker 2>disruption weapon you know, at the drone, it doesn't stop

481
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.519
<v Speaker 2>at the drone. Right, So they don't want to drop

482
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:45.200
<v Speaker 2>a manned aircraft over, you know, because of a drone, right, right,

483
00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:49.440
<v Speaker 2>So what I propose is things that we do on accident,

484
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:51.079
<v Speaker 2>we should be able to do on purpose, and that's

485
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:56.799
<v Speaker 2>crash one drone into another, right. You know, you if

486
00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you can take an unmanned aircraft like our smaller one

487
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>and you can fly that into a drone, that needs

488
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:07.240
<v Speaker 2>to be taken down. You have more control and their

489
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:10.279
<v Speaker 2>software that will you know, select that target and then

490
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:14.480
<v Speaker 2>you can automatically engage that target using another aircraft. That way,

491
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:19.200
<v Speaker 2>it's just going to have a less of a probability

492
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:24.000
<v Speaker 2>of having you know, adverse effects on the civilians you know,

493
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:26.599
<v Speaker 2>in the area. And that's that's what I propose. But

494
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.599
<v Speaker 2>we have to really shore up our defensive posture here

495
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.759
<v Speaker 2>in America regarding Unmann systems.

496
00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, there's something that we've had this debate

497
00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:38.119
<v Speaker 1>for a long time. It began a long time ago

498
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.279
<v Speaker 1>with EMP, you know, electromagnetic pults. You know what if

499
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:43.720
<v Speaker 1>somebody flies a new can expose it in the atmosphere,

500
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:47.119
<v Speaker 1>takes out all kinds of electronics and maybe takes out

501
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:52.079
<v Speaker 1>some of these big unique transformers that have a very

502
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>long lead time to get them replaced, and only made

503
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>a couple of places in the world, you know, incredibly expensive,

504
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:01.279
<v Speaker 1>difficult to replace. And so there's some very simple things

505
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:03.440
<v Speaker 1>that could be done to protect against DMP, but they

506
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:05.680
<v Speaker 1>don't do that. So I imagine they're not going to

507
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:09.200
<v Speaker 1>do much to protect the infrastructure against drone attacks either.

508
00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:14.319
<v Speaker 1>And there's so many critical places of critical infrastructures we're

509
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:17.640
<v Speaker 1>seeing with this situation with Iran. You know, you've got

510
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.000
<v Speaker 1>a refinery, it's very you don't need much of an

511
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:24.359
<v Speaker 1>explosive to get that thing going. And so when you

512
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:28.119
<v Speaker 1>look at these vulnerable infrastructures like you know, power generation,

513
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:32.000
<v Speaker 1>power transformers that are that can be taken out and

514
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:37.240
<v Speaker 1>cause massive cascading effects, and nobody's really doing anything about that,

515
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:37.680
<v Speaker 1>are they.

516
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know, all of the reconnaissance on America

517
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:46.839
<v Speaker 2>is pretty much done, right. So, you know, the company DGI,

518
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:51.240
<v Speaker 2>they build an amazing aircraft. I mean, everybody loves the aircraft.

519
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:55.440
<v Speaker 2>They're easy, they're dependable, you know, they're they're just good aircraft.

520
00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:58.440
<v Speaker 2>But the problem is is that they got caught spying

521
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:02.799
<v Speaker 2>on on well through their drones. So pretty much every

522
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:06.079
<v Speaker 2>country in the world has had those DGI drones uh

523
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:09.920
<v Speaker 2>flying everywhere. So all of our all of that data

524
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:13.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, goes back has gone back to China, right,

525
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:17.000
<v Speaker 2>And that's why the Biden and Trump administration was working

526
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:21.400
<v Speaker 2>on getting them kicked out of the United States and

527
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:24.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, critical infrastructure now you cannot use those types

528
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:28.000
<v Speaker 2>of Chinese drones because they were caught collecting our data.

529
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:33.000
<v Speaker 2>So all of our power lines and refineries and you know,

530
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:39.359
<v Speaker 2>sewer plans and construction sites and hospitals and every single

531
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:44.440
<v Speaker 2>thing you could ever possibly imagine has already been mapped, right,

532
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:54.240
<v Speaker 2>And so there's no requirement anymore really to select targets

533
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:58.359
<v Speaker 2>to map because they've mostly all been mapped, right. And

534
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:02.240
<v Speaker 2>so there's nothing that the government can do now about

535
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:05.960
<v Speaker 2>that other than just you know, stop the spying. They

536
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.359
<v Speaker 2>just there's nothing else you can do. It's all been mapped.

537
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:14.279
<v Speaker 2>So what these drones have done is they have really

538
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:18.240
<v Speaker 2>tested our weaknesses here in the United States, and the

539
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>media has done a great job of telling everybody in

540
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:25.200
<v Speaker 2>the world, you know, what our weaknesses are. And that's

541
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.319
<v Speaker 2>why I've said a couple of times on this show,

542
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:31.079
<v Speaker 2>is that we've got to really beef up our defensive

543
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:35.359
<v Speaker 2>posture here in the United States regarding unmanned aircraft because

544
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:38.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, almost every nation in the world has suffered

545
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.359
<v Speaker 2>some form of an invasion at one point or another

546
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.480
<v Speaker 2>right throughout history. You know, I think we're probably past

547
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.000
<v Speaker 2>due for another one. And and I think I don't

548
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.799
<v Speaker 2>want to I don't want to strike fear into Americans,

549
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.400
<v Speaker 2>but I do want Americans to understand that this war

550
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>that we're fighting, this environment that we're in, the technology

551
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:04.079
<v Speaker 2>that is being utilized, and couple that with AI that

552
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I do believe that we are going to really get

553
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:14.839
<v Speaker 2>hit with drones as some form of a drone attack

554
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.400
<v Speaker 2>very soon. I don't know when I agree.

555
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And when you look at it, you talk about

556
00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:23.359
<v Speaker 1>how everything is already mapped out. A good example of that,

557
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:25.519
<v Speaker 1>I think is the fact that we have these very

558
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:30.480
<v Speaker 1>sophisticated systems in the Gulf States that were there, and

559
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:32.559
<v Speaker 1>some of the very first ones that got taken out

560
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>there was I believe it was a billion dollar radar

561
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>facility that was kind of the nerve center, the eyes

562
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:45.079
<v Speaker 1>and ears of these anti ballistic missile systems, and that

563
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>was one of the first things that they targeted. They

564
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:49.559
<v Speaker 1>knew that we operate in an environment. Now, as you

565
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:53.359
<v Speaker 1>point out, everybody knows everything about everybody. All the stuff

566
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.279
<v Speaker 1>is exposed, and they know where the targets are and

567
00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 1>it's not that difficult. As you were pointing out, you

568
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:04.519
<v Speaker 1>got some get some very inexpensive devices to drive the

569
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:06.920
<v Speaker 1>drone and you've already got it mapped out as to

570
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 1>where it is. And that's what they did at the

571
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:12.680
<v Speaker 1>opening rounds of the retaliation strikes from Iran, they went

572
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:16.279
<v Speaker 1>right after a lot of very high value targets and

573
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.319
<v Speaker 1>radar targets and things like that. And so that's something

574
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.559
<v Speaker 1>that's very different. As you point out, you know, in America,

575
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.319
<v Speaker 1>we've gone through a couple of world wars without anything

576
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>happening on our soil. So we think, well, we're we

577
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.599
<v Speaker 1>don't have anything to worry about. But now there's this

578
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:35.279
<v Speaker 1>asymmetry to the warfare that I think is really going

579
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:35.880
<v Speaker 1>to bite us.

580
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:41.119
<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, well, you know, there's some information that

581
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:47.720
<v Speaker 2>was just quietly released about Iran taking delivery of over

582
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:53.319
<v Speaker 2>five hundred what do they call that, my gosh, starts

583
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 2>with an S season missile or whatever they just took

584
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:03.279
<v Speaker 2>over from China, from North Korea, of North Korea. And

585
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:08.960
<v Speaker 2>these are hypersonic type missile that you can't you can't

586
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:13.480
<v Speaker 2>really shoot down. And they have taken over five hundred

587
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.160
<v Speaker 2>of these, right, they've taken delivery of all of these,

588
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>and and there's and they can reach you know, here

589
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:23.240
<v Speaker 2>in the United States and most definitely Israel. Right, So

590
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:28.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, this this whole conflict with Iran, you know,

591
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:33.559
<v Speaker 2>I I hope and pray that this will be you know,

592
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:37.720
<v Speaker 2>this will be ending very very very soon. But we

593
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:41.759
<v Speaker 2>we do have a very high probability of this thing,

594
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:43.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, escalating out.

595
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Of looks like it's are you doing that in terms

596
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.640
<v Speaker 1>of reports carg Island getting hit?

597
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:51.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah absolutely. So. One of the things

598
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:56.799
<v Speaker 2>that I really just absolutely despise is, uh, you know,

599
00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>on the mainstream media and a lot of shows, you know,

600
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:05.759
<v Speaker 2>you have these old generals and old retired senators and

601
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:09.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, people of authority who are very respectable people,

602
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:14.559
<v Speaker 2>but they're they're going out on the news and they're saying, well,

603
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.440
<v Speaker 2>the Trump's administration is going to do this, and this

604
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:17.880
<v Speaker 2>is going to happen, This is going to happen, This

605
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:20.599
<v Speaker 2>is going to happen. I was never a high level,

606
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 2>you know person in the military. I mean I I

607
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.639
<v Speaker 2>was mischievous and I always got in trouble, so you know,

608
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.119
<v Speaker 2>I bounced off rank structure like a yo yo. So.

609
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.119
<v Speaker 2>But but I was a good marine. Right. But again,

610
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.519
<v Speaker 2>I just close my ears when I hear all this

611
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:39.199
<v Speaker 2>stuff because nobody knows the decisions that are being made

612
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:43.679
<v Speaker 2>inside the administration, right, I get that. It's a lot

613
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:45.800
<v Speaker 2>of fun to talk about it and speculate. But for

614
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:47.719
<v Speaker 2>these people that go up and just say, well, we're

615
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.719
<v Speaker 2>going to do this and this and this, yeah, I

616
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:55.840
<v Speaker 2>just yeah, I just I can't listen to it because

617
00:34:55.960 --> 00:35:00.199
<v Speaker 2>nobody really knows. But if we're speculating, you, you know,

618
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.880
<v Speaker 2>this truly does with all of the things that are happening,

619
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot of things that we don't know

620
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:10.960
<v Speaker 2>that's happening behind closed doors, especially in Iran, that I

621
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:14.920
<v Speaker 2>do speculate that this could get very messy. And I'm

622
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:17.039
<v Speaker 2>hoping what is it tonight at eight o'clock?

623
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:20.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, we're recording this on Tuesday, and

624
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.800
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, Tuesday, but of course earlier this morning, they

625
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:26.960
<v Speaker 1>already attacked carg Island. So I mean he's kicking stuff

626
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:28.280
<v Speaker 1>off and escalating.

627
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<v Speaker 2>I'm anticipating, yeah, yeah, I'm anticipating that they're not going

628
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<v Speaker 2>to have an agreement by eight o'clock tonight.

629
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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah, That's what I'm concerned about. And again,

630
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.840
<v Speaker 1>the other thing that is concerning is that as you

631
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<v Speaker 1>watch government officials, and I know maybe part of it

632
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:47.039
<v Speaker 1>is they're trying to project confidence or whatever, but what

633
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:51.360
<v Speaker 1>comes across is kind of a detached Hubris that thinks

634
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.760
<v Speaker 1>that we can't be touched, and that really is disturbing

635
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:59.000
<v Speaker 1>because that is an invitation for disaster. I think, whether

636
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.480
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about, you know, civil defense, and of course

637
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 1>you point out the American government doesn't do anything about

638
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>civil defense. So it's a great book about that a

639
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.440
<v Speaker 1>few years ago called Raven Rock The Plan to Save

640
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Themselves and let the rest of us die, not about

641
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:15.360
<v Speaker 1>how there was no civil defense plan ever really during

642
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:18.679
<v Speaker 1>the during the Cold War for people, and of course

643
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:20.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't really think there is now at this point either.

644
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:24.880
<v Speaker 1>You see other countries like Germany as they're trying to

645
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:28.239
<v Speaker 1>escalate the war, and it seems to me like Germany

646
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:32.119
<v Speaker 1>and France and these different European countries want to escalate

647
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.079
<v Speaker 1>the war and so but they are at least doing

648
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:38.599
<v Speaker 1>civil defense drills and drills about how to do mass

649
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:42.360
<v Speaker 1>evacuations and things like that. Not in the American government.

650
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 1>They're not going to do anything like that.

651
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, we discussed at the beginning of this

652
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.559
<v Speaker 2>show that there are at least one, maybe two nuclear

653
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:58.119
<v Speaker 2>warheads here in the United States. Act. Okay, fact, so

654
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:01.960
<v Speaker 2>we also have enough or carfentel in the United States

655
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:04.599
<v Speaker 2>to kill every man, woman, and child on the planet

656
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:08.599
<v Speaker 2>ten times over. And you've got to let that sink in, right,

657
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.079
<v Speaker 2>And I always said that it was just in the

658
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:13.559
<v Speaker 2>United States. There's enough phenol in the United States to

659
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:15.400
<v Speaker 2>kill every man, woman, a child in the United States

660
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:18.360
<v Speaker 2>ten times over. Well, the news, the mainstream media had

661
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:20.320
<v Speaker 2>done like a really quick blurb on that and said

662
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:24.800
<v Speaker 2>it's enough in the whole world. Right. So you know

663
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:28.239
<v Speaker 2>that we also let over thirty million people into this

664
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:32.280
<v Speaker 2>country in the Biden administration and there were some that

665
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.760
<v Speaker 2>were bad, right, So to say that we can't be

666
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.239
<v Speaker 2>touched is not something that I would get on board

667
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:43.920
<v Speaker 2>with because everything that we need to be touched is

668
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:48.039
<v Speaker 2>already here. And you know, we found doing the border

669
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:51.039
<v Speaker 2>work that I've done, we found that China was bringing

670
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.559
<v Speaker 2>shipping containers in through the cartels with you know, millions

671
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.519
<v Speaker 2>of rounds of ammunition and small arms, and the uh

672
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:03.760
<v Speaker 2>Iran and truck drivers were distributing those containers all around

673
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the United States. So, you know, again fact, not conspiracy

674
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:13.320
<v Speaker 2>or speculation or anything like, Like, I did the work, right, So,

675
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:19.119
<v Speaker 2>so everything that they need to do some form of

676
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:24.559
<v Speaker 2>nefarious assault on this country is already here. So are

677
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.679
<v Speaker 2>they going to you know, pull up a container ship

678
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:30.159
<v Speaker 2>and launch a bunch of drones out of a container ship?

679
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:37.199
<v Speaker 2>You know, one hundred percent intent, zero percent probability. You know,

680
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.679
<v Speaker 2>we have those big gray things off the coast the

681
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Navy that won't let that happen, right, So.

682
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, just so many different I mean, we saw

683
00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:50.760
<v Speaker 1>in so a tax i. Forget it was a Ukrainian.

684
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I think it's Ukrainians doing it to the Russians when

685
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:56.679
<v Speaker 1>they destroyed so many of those very high value planes

686
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:59.639
<v Speaker 1>on the ground. The way they did that was they

687
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:04.800
<v Speaker 1>had some semi trailers that had like a false ceiling

688
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:07.719
<v Speaker 1>in it, right, and they opened that up and these things,

689
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:09.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, they park them not too far away from

690
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.559
<v Speaker 1>the airport and then fly all those drones in that

691
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:16.519
<v Speaker 1>were hidden and concealed in the eighteen wheelers. So, I know,

692
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:18.199
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of different ways that you can do

693
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:19.079
<v Speaker 1>things like that. Right.

694
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 2>You think the Ukrainians did that by themselves?

695
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. They really resourcel aren't they.

696
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:31.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm curious. Yeah, there's a lot to read between the

697
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:32.360
<v Speaker 2>lines there.

698
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, there is, there is, isn't there. Well, again,

699
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:39.480
<v Speaker 1>things have changed so much and we don't really really

700
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:41.760
<v Speaker 1>understand it. And I thought it was interesting when you're

701
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:44.840
<v Speaker 1>talking about how a little tiny part can completely scuttle

702
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:49.840
<v Speaker 1>the whole mission of a substandard. We certainly have seen

703
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.880
<v Speaker 1>that with the aircraft carrier, haven't we the gerald Ford

704
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>class that they had the toilet issue. Yeah, I guess

705
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:00.519
<v Speaker 1>they had not an Achilles heel, but they had Achilles

706
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:04.559
<v Speaker 1>something or the other right that caused a problem. And

707
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.440
<v Speaker 1>now we got the same situation with the spacecraft the Artemis.

708
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:11.559
<v Speaker 1>They were seeing their toilets aren't working. So we are

709
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:15.920
<v Speaker 1>looking at an SHTF kind of scenario with so many

710
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:19.480
<v Speaker 1>different areas, and it seems to be always the really complicated,

711
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:23.159
<v Speaker 1>sophisticated systems that they build that seem to be taken

712
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:26.239
<v Speaker 1>down by the very very simple bug that's in it

713
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:27.000
<v Speaker 1>somewhere right.

714
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I was managing a project over in

715
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:35.480
<v Speaker 2>West Africa and our cost, I think our cost was

716
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.840
<v Speaker 2>like one point two million dollars a day. And there's

717
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:44.039
<v Speaker 2>these little fuses called Pico fuses. We had some Peko

718
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:47.239
<v Speaker 2>fuses go out in one of our subs and that

719
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:49.760
<v Speaker 2>dropped the whole entire project for about two weeks. So

720
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:53.840
<v Speaker 2>if you can imagine fifty cent part dropping one point

721
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:58.000
<v Speaker 2>two million dollar project. And boy, I'll tell you what

722
00:40:58.119 --> 00:40:59.440
<v Speaker 2>some heads rolled over that one.

723
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:03.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, well it certainly is interesting. Talk to you.

724
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Tell us a little bit about your personal story. You've

725
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.519
<v Speaker 1>got a website, John B. Ferguson dot com. What's that about.

726
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that should be going live, I hope here in

727
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.840
<v Speaker 2>the next couple of hours. But you know, I have

728
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:18.679
<v Speaker 2>somewhat of an interesting story. You know, it came from Kansas,

729
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and I had a lot of sorry, my let me

730
00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:32.800
<v Speaker 2>get out of here. So sorry about that.

731
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:35.320
<v Speaker 1>That's all right, So kind of like Dorothy got swept

732
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.239
<v Speaker 1>up in the air with the not a tornado but

733
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:39.000
<v Speaker 1>a drone. Right.

734
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know, coming from a small town in Kansas,

735
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:47.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, I had lived under a stepfather that was

736
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:53.119
<v Speaker 2>very abusive and actually he tortured me, and and you know,

737
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.639
<v Speaker 2>I suffered through many years of that and it's interesting,

738
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.280
<v Speaker 2>but I have this story about all of this abuse,

739
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:03.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, growing up and and you know, my father

740
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:08.119
<v Speaker 2>rescuing me and and and that had affected me considerably

741
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:11.039
<v Speaker 2>and still, you know, even still to this day, you know,

742
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:15.719
<v Speaker 2>you suffer those you know, those effects, right. So one

743
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 2>of the things that.

744
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.159
<v Speaker 1>You know how old were you when that was happening.

745
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Third grade, third grade when the divorce happened. And in

746
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:27.320
<v Speaker 2>my fourth grade year, I was an angry child because

747
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.400
<v Speaker 2>I was retaliating against this divorce and a kid was

748
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:33.320
<v Speaker 2>picking on me, so I broke his nose. So they

749
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:35.599
<v Speaker 2>took a box and they put it in the auditorium

750
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:39.119
<v Speaker 2>and they put the desk in the box. And for

751
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.519
<v Speaker 2>the whole entire year, I had to stay at that

752
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:46.280
<v Speaker 2>desk in that box and the auditorium and not you know,

753
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:50.159
<v Speaker 2>communicate with other and they would funnel all of the

754
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:54.119
<v Speaker 2>children in during the lunch hour next to the box,

755
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and they would all ridicule me, you know, for they

756
00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:00.480
<v Speaker 2>did this for the entire year because you know, when

757
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 2>they were going to have lunch in the auditorium, right,

758
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:05.480
<v Speaker 2>And so I missed out on my fourth grade year.

759
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:10.920
<v Speaker 2>And I always was you know, left left behind academically, right,

760
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:14.360
<v Speaker 2>And then you know, coming home, uh, you know every

761
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.840
<v Speaker 2>night to being tortured by my stepfather was you know,

762
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:22.800
<v Speaker 2>it was a it was a really ungodly uh situation

763
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:26.159
<v Speaker 2>for me, and I can't believe I actually survived the

764
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:31.440
<v Speaker 2>whole thing. But but then, you know, I was always

765
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:37.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of not really taken serious. And so when I

766
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.400
<v Speaker 2>got into my high school years, I had retaliated and

767
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:43.280
<v Speaker 2>I joined the Marine Corps, and the Marine Corps whipped

768
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:45.840
<v Speaker 2>me into shape and taught me how to set goals.

769
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:49.320
<v Speaker 2>And so I came from you know this, uh this,

770
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:53.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, tortured young child and who shouldn't have ever

771
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:56.599
<v Speaker 2>survived all the way through high school and into the

772
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Marine Corps and then became a deep sea diver and

773
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:03.440
<v Speaker 2>ailating summerciable vehicles. And now you know, I get a

774
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:07.320
<v Speaker 2>meet with presidents and kings and queens and sovereign councils,

775
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:12.840
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I've tried to achieve and I try

776
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.599
<v Speaker 2>to do this and be very humble, uh you know,

777
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:19.440
<v Speaker 2>and not narcissistic, because those are big keywords for me.

778
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:23.079
<v Speaker 2>But now I've traveled to eighty seven countries around the world,

779
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:24.719
<v Speaker 2>and I've got to go and meet some of the

780
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:28.480
<v Speaker 2>most amazing people in the world. And I've been asked

781
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:32.639
<v Speaker 2>to take my story and get in front of those

782
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:38.320
<v Speaker 2>who who may need to hear the story of my survival,

783
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:43.039
<v Speaker 2>but not only my survival, but my abilities to achieve goals.

784
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:46.480
<v Speaker 2>And they try to become somebody and and here in

785
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:49.840
<v Speaker 2>the state of Kansas. You know, God willing, I you'll

786
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:54.119
<v Speaker 2>probably run for office here Burundi and South Sudan, have

787
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:58.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, asked if I could be an ambassador, the

788
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:02.079
<v Speaker 2>US ambassador to their countries, which certainly is a possibility.

789
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:07.280
<v Speaker 2>But I want to make sure that it's not about me,

790
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:10.679
<v Speaker 2>but it's about the survival, and it's about the willingness

791
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:16.719
<v Speaker 2>to really focus and try to achieve and try to

792
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:18.679
<v Speaker 2>get out of that nasty situation.

793
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:22.559
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that really is amazing. That story about what

794
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:24.880
<v Speaker 1>happened here in the fourth grade is amazing. My wife

795
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:27.440
<v Speaker 1>was a elementary school teacher and they had an open

796
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.800
<v Speaker 1>classroom situation, so she could hear couldn't avoid hearing what

797
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:32.599
<v Speaker 1>was going on the next room. And there was a

798
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:36.639
<v Speaker 1>very abusive teacher in the adjacent room, and there was

799
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.719
<v Speaker 1>this little kid who she just picked on him and

800
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:42.199
<v Speaker 1>make him stand in the trash can. Said you're nothing

801
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:44.119
<v Speaker 1>but a piece of trash. What happened to you is

802
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:46.360
<v Speaker 1>way beyond that. I mean, she saw that, and she

803
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:48.440
<v Speaker 1>said she went to the principal. She said, you've got

804
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:50.159
<v Speaker 1>to do something about this. You've got to stop her,

805
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:52.679
<v Speaker 1>and he goes. I know, she's very abusive, but there's

806
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:55.199
<v Speaker 1>nothing we can do about it. She's got tenure, and

807
00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:58.119
<v Speaker 1>so carry got out of it was.

808
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.719
<v Speaker 2>That, Yeah, step Daddy, you know, you would put aluminum

809
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:03.639
<v Speaker 2>foil over the bens in my room, which was the

810
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:07.679
<v Speaker 2>size of a closet, And during the summers, I couldn't

811
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:11.599
<v Speaker 2>get any air, and my sheets were sticking to my

812
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:13.920
<v Speaker 2>back because I'd sweat, and I'd stick my face out

813
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:16.119
<v Speaker 2>through the screen just try to get air. And I'd

814
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:19.199
<v Speaker 2>chew ice all night just to lower my court temperature down.

815
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:23.880
<v Speaker 2>And I in the same during the winter, but I

816
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:27.320
<v Speaker 2>was always kicked out of the house during the day,

817
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:29.199
<v Speaker 2>so I was never allowed to come back in. They

818
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:32.840
<v Speaker 2>would lock the refrigerator so I couldn't get food, you know.

819
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:36.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I was whipped with a gite fishing rod

820
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.320
<v Speaker 2>and the hook had hooked into my leg and gripped

821
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:43.000
<v Speaker 2>my leg out, and I mean just all of this

822
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:48.519
<v Speaker 2>just horrible stuff that But I think it made me

823
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:51.559
<v Speaker 2>the person that I am today. And that's not necessarily

824
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.800
<v Speaker 2>like a good thing, right, but it's given me the

825
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:58.840
<v Speaker 2>strength with the Marine Corps. It's given me the strength

826
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:02.320
<v Speaker 2>to fight through it and not become a serial killer or.

827
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:06.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, its the Rain's not to fund a biopic for you.

828
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:08.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know, I don't know. But the

829
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:11.719
<v Speaker 2>big thing is that, you know, I never really ever

830
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:13.519
<v Speaker 2>thought that I would stand on a stage and talk

831
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:16.599
<v Speaker 2>to people about my story, but uh, you know, I've

832
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:19.760
<v Speaker 2>been asked to do that by the Mexicans, you know,

833
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:22.400
<v Speaker 2>come up and talk about what they're fighting down south

834
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.719
<v Speaker 2>and the border, and you know this story, and you know,

835
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I've I've I've been in a situation I was smuggled

836
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:36.039
<v Speaker 2>into China because I was dying. I've I've flatlined, I've

837
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:40.920
<v Speaker 2>crossed over twice. And so I'm writing this book called

838
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.079
<v Speaker 2>nine Lives in County because of all of the different

839
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:46.239
<v Speaker 2>countries I've been to. I've been in situations where I've

840
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.679
<v Speaker 2>stood at the the edge of death and and I've

841
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:52.679
<v Speaker 2>I've tripped over that line a couple of times. And

842
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:56.159
<v Speaker 2>just recently, I just came back from an African nation

843
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:58.920
<v Speaker 2>trying to help stop some genocide over in an African

844
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.320
<v Speaker 2>nation that I won't mention, and I got dysentery and

845
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 2>almost didn't make it there either. So this was just

846
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:06.800
<v Speaker 2>a couple of months ago. Wow, the hell of a

847
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:10.199
<v Speaker 2>diet program for me, though, I lost thirty pounds.

848
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I bet that's one way to do it, isn't it.

849
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.199
<v Speaker 1>But you said you flat lined a couple of times

850
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:17.119
<v Speaker 1>and crossed over. You have a near death experience. You

851
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:17.920
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about that?

852
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, a few times, a few times. And that's

853
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.280
<v Speaker 2>why the book is called nine Lives in Counting, because

854
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I've been in those situations where I've I've crossed over

855
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 2>into you know, I've crossed I've stepped over that line

856
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:33.039
<v Speaker 2>several times.

857
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

858
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:37.920
<v Speaker 2>And and you know I've left my body. I turned around,

859
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I looked, I saw my body laying there, and I

860
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:44.360
<v Speaker 2>just remember this. It's crystal clear as it as if

861
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:48.119
<v Speaker 2>it just happened fifteen minutes ago. And you know, I

862
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:52.039
<v Speaker 2>just said the Lord's prayer and and I just said, Lord, please,

863
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:57.480
<v Speaker 2>not here, not now. And you know I have a family.

864
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:01.639
<v Speaker 2>I can't leave. I can't leave, not here, not in China,

865
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:08.320
<v Speaker 2>you know. And uh and and I clearly I survived.

866
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:11.159
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of people said, well, did you see

867
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:13.199
<v Speaker 2>the white lad And I said no, but I smelled

868
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:17.559
<v Speaker 2>a lot of sulfur. That's a that's a joke. That's

869
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:20.920
<v Speaker 2>a joke, okay, But it was a it was a

870
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.880
<v Speaker 2>very wonderful feeling to you know, it's kind of like

871
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:26.000
<v Speaker 2>yet it's kind of like you were laying there and

872
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:30.159
<v Speaker 2>somebody were stacking rocks on your chest and being crushed,

873
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:32.119
<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden, somebody just started lifting

874
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:33.760
<v Speaker 2>those rocks off of you.

875
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:33.960
<v Speaker 1>You know.

876
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:38.519
<v Speaker 2>But I I knew that that God had I knew

877
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:40.960
<v Speaker 2>he had other plans for me, you know.

878
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:44.880
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, there's an interesting, interesting book by a pastor

879
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:47.679
<v Speaker 1>in Austin and he said, uh, he thinks this is

880
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:49.840
<v Speaker 1>something you know, the medical equipment that we've got now,

881
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:52.440
<v Speaker 1>he said, he thinks that is something that is really

882
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:56.880
<v Speaker 1>he sees it as an evangelism opportunity because he said,

883
00:49:57.079 --> 00:49:59.400
<v Speaker 1>even though you got a lot of people interpret it differently.

884
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:01.960
<v Speaker 1>He said, if you look at what they're saying, there's

885
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:05.360
<v Speaker 1>some amazing experiences that some people have had, and some

886
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:09.440
<v Speaker 1>people who are different religion, they weren't projecting what they

887
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:12.000
<v Speaker 1>came across. They weren't projecting that from what they expected

888
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:14.440
<v Speaker 1>for example. And he said, if you if you look

889
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:16.480
<v Speaker 1>at it, the common experiences that are they said, they

890
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:19.199
<v Speaker 1>really line up with the Bible. And so he sees

891
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.360
<v Speaker 1>it as an evangelical tool, you know, to talk to people.

892
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Of course, you know, it's it's not sufficient, but it

893
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>is interesting and it is something that we're seeing happening

894
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:31.760
<v Speaker 1>more and more, I guess because of the ability to

895
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:35.159
<v Speaker 1>revive people of the medical technology that we've got we

896
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:36.079
<v Speaker 1>used to not have.

897
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I never made it to the point

898
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.800
<v Speaker 2>to where I saw family members or I saw God,

899
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:48.679
<v Speaker 2>or I saw Jesus or you know anything like that.

900
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:52.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, I you know what. Everything that I experienced

901
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:57.679
<v Speaker 2>was what I felt, and you know, I felt a

902
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.760
<v Speaker 2>huge presence, you know, I knew and it gives me

903
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:04.440
<v Speaker 2>shivers just talking about it now. But but you know,

904
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:11.480
<v Speaker 2>I know that that there's a God, you know, and uh,

905
00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to worry about that. I know what

906
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:21.239
<v Speaker 2>I know. And you know, people can listen to listen

907
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:23.559
<v Speaker 2>to my story and they can choose to believe me

908
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:26.719
<v Speaker 2>or not. And that's okay because I know in my heart,

909
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:31.079
<v Speaker 2>in my mind that there is something so much larger

910
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:33.719
<v Speaker 2>out there and it's and it's peaceful, it's it's not

911
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:39.239
<v Speaker 2>it's not anything other than just warmth, love and peace,

912
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:41.719
<v Speaker 2>and that's all I That's all I know about it.

913
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:46.519
<v Speaker 2>And I know and I have this this feeling in

914
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:51.920
<v Speaker 2>my mind that that I'm meant to do something, you know,

915
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:55.280
<v Speaker 2>here in this life. Maybe I've already done it. Maybe

916
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:57.400
<v Speaker 2>I haven't done it yet. Maybe I'm doing it now.

917
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:01.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. But you know when I when I

918
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:05.599
<v Speaker 2>ultimately decide to check out, I will I will know

919
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:07.519
<v Speaker 2>if I've accomplished because I'm sure he'll let me know.

920
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:11.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he'll let me know if I've accomplished the mission.

921
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.320
<v Speaker 1>That's right. Well, it certainly is interesting to talk to you.

922
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.760
<v Speaker 1>And drones are one of those things that are really

923
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:20.440
<v Speaker 1>exploding in terms of their influence in our lives, and

924
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:23.039
<v Speaker 1>I hope it's going to be a positive one. Of course,

925
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, we already have a lot of the one

926
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:27.360
<v Speaker 1>of the things that I find really fascinating. You see

927
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of YouTube videos of course, people flying over

928
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:34.599
<v Speaker 1>volcanoes are going really fast with the really super fast

929
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:36.960
<v Speaker 1>drums that they can fly through obstacles and stuff like that,

930
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:39.719
<v Speaker 1>so it can make some very interesting video of that's there.

931
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:43.800
<v Speaker 1>But it is something that has completely changed the calculus

932
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:48.039
<v Speaker 1>for UH, for war and UH and also for terrorism,

933
00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:50.360
<v Speaker 1>and it's something we should really pay attention to. Thank

934
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:53.920
<v Speaker 1>you so much for joining us again. John Ferguson before

935
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.519
<v Speaker 1>we go, tell us briefly a little bit about the

936
00:52:56.519 --> 00:53:00.880
<v Speaker 1>coffee Java, John's dot net or Java, is it John

937
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.400
<v Speaker 1>or John's. I think it's John.

938
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:04.440
<v Speaker 2>It's Java, John's with an sky.

939
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:06.480
<v Speaker 1>That's something about that.

940
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Piloting submersible vehicles, traveling around the world two thousand and

941
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:18.599
<v Speaker 2>two was kind of a different time, somewhat different than

942
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:22.679
<v Speaker 2>it is now. But I wanted to just stop traveling

943
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:26.519
<v Speaker 2>as much and get home. So I started a coffee roastery,

944
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:29.320
<v Speaker 2>and my wife and I ran it, and it's still

945
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:34.199
<v Speaker 2>in operation today. So we roast fresh coffee daily. And

946
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:38.079
<v Speaker 2>I actually consider myself one of the first Patriots coffee

947
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:44.039
<v Speaker 2>companies because during the war, my platoon commander, he was

948
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:48.519
<v Speaker 2>on his sixth tour in Iraq and he had suffered

949
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:52.079
<v Speaker 2>a traumatic brain injury, and he started the Wounded Warriors Regiment,

950
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:55.440
<v Speaker 2>not the Wounded Warriors nonprofit, but the regiment. So he

951
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 2>was helping injured men and women come home. So I

952
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:03.360
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do the same. So we decided to build

953
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:07.039
<v Speaker 2>a chopper, a motorcycle called the Chopper of Honor in

954
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:08.840
<v Speaker 2>honor of all of those men and women who have

955
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:13.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, been injured or killed in the war, and

956
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:16.079
<v Speaker 2>I would take their story and I would put their

957
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:18.519
<v Speaker 2>picture and their story on the coffee bag, and we

958
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:21.480
<v Speaker 2>would sell those coffee bags and the proceeds would go

959
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:26.320
<v Speaker 2>to those families. So and I still do that today.

960
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:31.199
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we've we've been roasting coffee since two thousand

961
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:34.079
<v Speaker 2>and two, and I'm starting to scale the company now,

962
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, along with Saxon, the you know, the drone company.

963
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:42.639
<v Speaker 2>But I think it's important that we just do our part.

964
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:48.679
<v Speaker 2>We try to create jobs, growth and help those that

965
00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:49.079
<v Speaker 2>need it.

966
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's pretty good track record you've got there. You've

967
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:54.719
<v Speaker 1>gone for twenty four years, I guess, and so that's

968
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:57.239
<v Speaker 1>pretty good for a business. A lot of businesses don't

969
00:54:57.239 --> 00:54:58.960
<v Speaker 1>make it that long. You know, the first five years

970
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.679
<v Speaker 1>is really critical. Tell me a little bit about since

971
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:04.320
<v Speaker 1>you got a small business and you're doing coffee and

972
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:06.559
<v Speaker 1>you've got to import that, how are the tariffs affecting

973
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:08.880
<v Speaker 1>you and you know, and what what do you think

974
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:10.840
<v Speaker 1>is what are you looking for in your business in

975
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:13.199
<v Speaker 1>terms of you know, we're going to see I think

976
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:16.719
<v Speaker 1>transportation costs explode here in the next few months. Yeah,

977
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:19.159
<v Speaker 1>what what are you thinking about as a small businessman

978
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:22.239
<v Speaker 1>when you look at all this economic chaos that's being

979
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:23.920
<v Speaker 1>unleashed on the world right now.

980
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. You know, I'm an optimistic individual, but

981
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:31.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm only optimistic in til it affects my checkbook. But

982
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:36.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, coffee prices have gone up, you know, considerably.

983
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Where I'm being affected more is we were manufacturing our

984
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:49.360
<v Speaker 2>our drones in Poland. But then we've we've we've fell

985
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:51.400
<v Speaker 2>out of love with those folks because they were selling

986
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:54.840
<v Speaker 2>our aircraft behind our backs, and you know, they were

987
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:57.639
<v Speaker 2>they were doing us pretty dirty. So we and then

988
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:00.519
<v Speaker 2>of course when President Trump got back in office, and

989
00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:04.800
<v Speaker 2>of course we are really undergoing the Made in America initiative,

990
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:07.440
<v Speaker 2>we decided it was just a good time for us

991
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.199
<v Speaker 2>to repatriate our manufacturing back here to the United States.

992
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:13.039
<v Speaker 2>And that's why we're absolutely we're doing that right now.

993
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:18.559
<v Speaker 2>So everything's just gone up. The transportation prices are just

994
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:24.039
<v Speaker 2>un bearable, you know, this the fuel price and everything.

995
00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:28.199
<v Speaker 1>And what about being able to get components, you know,

996
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:32.079
<v Speaker 1>and it turns even things like aluminum that's being affected

997
00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:33.639
<v Speaker 1>by what's happening in the Gulf right now.

998
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Are you having any shortage chet everything? Well, you know, again,

999
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:43.239
<v Speaker 2>it's the tariffs are a huge issue. But right now,

1000
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:48.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're getting requests for drones, for very inexpensive drones.

1001
00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:50.639
<v Speaker 2>We're not getting a request for like two or three

1002
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.480
<v Speaker 2>or five or ten. We're getting requests for fourteen hundred,

1003
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:57.440
<v Speaker 2>five thousand, seven ten thousand drones at a whack.

1004
00:56:57.480 --> 00:56:59.559
<v Speaker 1>Right, what are people doing with that many drones?

1005
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Were sending them to the battlefield or.

1006
00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it's the government that's doing that, right.

1007
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, or or interceptor type drones so that you know,

1008
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:13.679
<v Speaker 2>they can intercept drone on drone, which is literally what

1009
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:15.559
<v Speaker 2>I was saying at the beginning of our interview here.

1010
00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:21.800
<v Speaker 2>But the problem is that the we have this thing

1011
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:24.599
<v Speaker 2>is nda compliant. They have to be made in America.

1012
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:30.239
<v Speaker 2>And that's okay, that's that's wonderful, but it's more expensive.

1013
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.960
<v Speaker 2>The problem is that all of the lithium batteries that

1014
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:37.480
<v Speaker 2>we use, all of the lithium cells are they're manufactured

1015
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:40.920
<v Speaker 2>in in China, right, All of the most is the copper,

1016
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:44.039
<v Speaker 2>the windings, the magnets, you know, those are all manufactured

1017
00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:50.400
<v Speaker 2>in China. So we're really being stifled by not only

1018
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:56.440
<v Speaker 2>the disruption in the relationship between China and the United

1019
00:57:56.480 --> 00:58:00.159
<v Speaker 2>States right now. But also all of these conflict that

1020
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:05.199
<v Speaker 2>are happening around the world are there's this massive influx

1021
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:12.239
<v Speaker 2>of requirements for drones, and these manufacturing companies that are

1022
00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:18.199
<v Speaker 2>manufacturing these components they can't keep up. So it's a

1023
00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:22.519
<v Speaker 2>great industry to be in because you're busy, but it's

1024
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:28.920
<v Speaker 2>not great when you can't fulfill the requirements that you

1025
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:32.599
<v Speaker 2>have here in the United States, right So, it doesn't

1026
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:34.480
<v Speaker 2>do any good to get in order for five thousand

1027
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:37.000
<v Speaker 2>drones and get them delivered in a month or two

1028
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:39.519
<v Speaker 2>or three or six when you can't get them.

1029
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:42.559
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't do any good to have domestic drones if

1030
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:45.400
<v Speaker 1>you don't have any source of domestic batteries to run

1031
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:48.679
<v Speaker 1>them with. That was my whole issue with the tariff stuff.

1032
00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:51.159
<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, well your goal is this, but you

1033
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:53.320
<v Speaker 1>don't even have a way to get there. You're just

1034
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:56.920
<v Speaker 1>going to slam the door shut on what's coming in

1035
00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:00.039
<v Speaker 1>right now without having prepared to make sure that you

1036
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:01.920
<v Speaker 1>got the raw materials, to make sure that you've got

1037
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:05.039
<v Speaker 1>the components that are not manufactured here. I mean, you

1038
00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:07.840
<v Speaker 1>can't do it all at once. Well, I've said so

1039
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:10.159
<v Speaker 1>many times, we need to send a copy of Leonard

1040
00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Reid's eye pencil to the White House.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the Chinese, they subsidize their drone technology. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they've got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of really smart

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<v Speaker 2>engineers just sitting around thinking up, you know, cool stuff

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<v Speaker 2>to do, right, And that's why they're leading in the

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00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:35.079
<v Speaker 2>drone industry on the commercial side, not so much the

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<v Speaker 2>military side, the commercial side. And you know, with all

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<v Speaker 2>of the tariff stuff that Trump's doing, and all of

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<v Speaker 2>the investment that he's bringing back into the country, and

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00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:45.840
<v Speaker 2>all of the dose stuff, and there's all there's all

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<v Speaker 2>this money that's supposed to be coming into the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, why don't we just shave off two or

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<v Speaker 2>three you know, billion of that and invest that into

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<v Speaker 2>our drone manufacturing facilities that are manufacturing American made drones

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<v Speaker 2>here in America. You're creating jobs, you're creating growth, you're

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<v Speaker 2>creating sustainability, you're making people happy, and you have you

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<v Speaker 2>would be building one of the most incredible defensive defensive

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<v Speaker 2>technologies in the United States. So why don't we do that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's what I would do, But I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>in the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not in the White House. Either, my approach

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<v Speaker 1>would be just to get the government off of our back.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think we kind of figured out ourselves that

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to always be the advantage that Americans had over

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<v Speaker 1>planned economies where the government's going to decide, because usually

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<v Speaker 1>what happens with the government, we see with our own

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<v Speaker 1>is a malinvestment. I mean, you can see malinvestment with

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<v Speaker 1>China in terms of the housing market and the real

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<v Speaker 1>estate market that they did there. But so yeah, my

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<v Speaker 1>instinct is always go back to the free market. How

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<v Speaker 1>about if we get freer rather than more subsidized. That's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of my bias as I look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm sorry. I again, I have been working

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<v Speaker 2>in these Central African nations for many, many, many years.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I got sick and tired of dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>the United States bureaucracy. Right when the drone stuff came out,

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<v Speaker 2>the FAA had a very challenging job, and that's how

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<v Speaker 2>to integrate these into our airspace. And I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>the FAA was going to have to stifle drone growth

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<v Speaker 2>in America. Right, so I went overseas, and we have

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<v Speaker 2>this thing called bb loss beyond visual line of sight

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody was like, oh my gosh, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>do bb loss. You know, well, I've been doing it

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<v Speaker 2>for years overseas because I wasn't going to be stifled

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<v Speaker 2>by the FAA, right, And again, nothing bad about the FAA.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to do it right or they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>cause you know, loss of life. Right. So here in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States, I go and work in these Central

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<v Speaker 2>African nations to try to you know, build relationships between

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<v Speaker 2>these African nations and the United States and US because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to rely specifically on our economy. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to merge two economies so we can all grow together.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, we get African water machines that make water

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<v Speaker 2>out of humidity. So there's African villages out there that

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<v Speaker 2>have never had a clean glass of drinking water their

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<v Speaker 2>entire lives. So we bring these water machines over there

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<v Speaker 2>and they get to have a clean glass of water,

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<v Speaker 2>something that we take advantage of here in America. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I try to think outside the box and not

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<v Speaker 2>just specifically in our own economy. I like to create multiple,

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<v Speaker 2>many economies and that way everyone gets to benefit.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this was missing with this Fortress America approach.

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<v Speaker 1>That is there. You know, we just can't understand how

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<v Speaker 1>when we interconnect with things and we have free trade

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<v Speaker 1>and we have freedom to do things, what a powerful

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<v Speaker 1>thing that is. But if you're going to shut it down,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you're going to get territorial and tribal about

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<v Speaker 1>things and you're going to regulate everything, you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>regulate it to death. And that's what I'm afraid we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing right now. But we're way over time, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna need to cut this off. But it's been really

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating talking to you, John Ferguson, and again the website

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<v Speaker 1>so Or he's got Java John's dot net, saxons Onmann

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<v Speaker 1>dot com where you can see the kinds of drones

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<v Speaker 1>that they manufacture there and if you want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>his life story, he's working on John Bferguson dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be checking that out. Thank you so much, John,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fascinating talking to you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been wonderful. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Likewise, thank you, byebye. The common Man they created common Core,

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<v Speaker 1>dumbed down our children. They created comment Past track and

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<v Speaker 1>Control us their Commons project to make sure the commoners

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<v Speaker 1>own nothing and the communist future. They see the common

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<v Speaker 1>man as simple, unsophisticated ordinary. But each of us has

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<v Speaker 1>worth and dignity created in the image of God. That

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<v Speaker 1>is what we have in common. That is what they

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<v Speaker 1>want to take away. Their most powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation.

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<v Speaker 1>They desire to know everything about us, while they hide

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<v Speaker 1>everything from us. It's time to turn that around and

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