WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:00.360 You know. 2 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:02.560 I was wondering, how can I get a message out 3 00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:07.040 to folks that follow the podcast. Should I put it 4 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:12.560 out on Facebook, Instagram, Blue sky Oh god forbid threads? 5 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:13.199 Yeah? 6 00:00:13.359 --> 00:00:16.640 No, thanks, what a cesspool. That's about as awful as 7 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:20.280 X these days. But then I realized, oh gosh, I'm 8 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:22.399 a man with a microphone. I can actually put this 9 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:25.480 message out at the beginning of the next episode of 10 00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:29.320 the podcast. So here I am. I am getting ready 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:33.079 to do another ego fest. This is Ego Fest fifteen. 12 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:36.240 That is where we pull back the curtain and talk 13 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:39.359 a little bit more about how the Projection Booth works. 14 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:43.840 I answer questions from listeners. They either can send them 15 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:48.280 in via email Mike at Projection Dashbooth dot com, or 16 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:51.759 you can send me an MP three also to the 17 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:53.880 same address. We used to have a voicemail line, but 18 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:59.679 thanks to Skype being completely decondmissioned, I don't have that anymore. Well, 19 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:02.359 I guess I do have a Google Voice number, and 20 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:06.480 you can leave messages on that. Give me a ring 21 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:09.400 and leave me a message at seven three four six 22 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:13.519 six six two eight six six. That's a lot of sixes. 23 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:17.359 It's very intentional. I went through a drive through recently 24 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:20.439 and ordered a few things that added up to six 25 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:23.439 sixty six, and the woman who was taking my money 26 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:26.400 refused to say how much it was. I guess she 27 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:29.799 was afraid of the number of the beast. So yeah, 28 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:32.640 no holds bored. Any questions you want answered, comments you 29 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:37.079 want to leave about the show, questions, criticisms. Tell me 30 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:41.400 just how much I stink. I mean that's figurative hopefully 31 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:45.159 not literal. No, not literal. So that's a good thing, 32 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:48.200 all right, if you could get that done by August 33 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:51.439 thirty first, twenty twenty five, and I will put out 34 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:55.799 a episode sometime in September talking all about the show 35 00:01:56.439 --> 00:01:59.079 and all the things that you want to know answers 36 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:02.560 to all right once again August thirty first, Shoot me 37 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:06.040 an email Mike at Projection dashboot dot com or drop 38 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:08.199 me a line seven three four six sixty six two 39 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:11.240 eight sixty six. Your calls will be played back on 40 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:13.680 the air. Thanks so much for listening, and I hope 41 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:14.439 to hear from you soon. 42 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:22.599 Oh jeez, boat, it's showtime. 43 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:25.879 People say good money to see this movie when they 44 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:28.759 go out to a theater. They want closed sodas hop 45 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:31.879 popcorn in no monsters in the projection booths. 46 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:33.800 Everyone for ten podcasting isn't boring? 47 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:35.520 Dot it off? 48 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:19.039 What about the doll in her apartment could be a fetish? 49 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:26.319 Fetish fetish can be anything any non sexual object that 50 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:27.879 incites erotic feelings. 51 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:33.280 In this case of all the Strangler based on the 52 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:36.879 terrifying crime wave that has gripped Boston and spread across 53 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:37.439 the country. 54 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:40.360 That makes number eight for the Strangler. 55 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:45.479 Yeah it looks not money starring Victor Buono. The shock 56 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:49.280 sensation of whatever happened to Baby Jane has the most baffling, 57 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:52.120 the most horrifying criminal in a decade. 58 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:57.479 There wasn't rape, no evidence in maltreatment after death. 59 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:01.840 No woman is safe as long as the Strangler lives 60 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:03.439 and roams at will. 61 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:19.639 There are a lot of people who don't laugh at 62 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:20.279 me anymore. 63 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:22.040 They don't laugh at anymore. 64 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:30.600 Please go away, I'll go. 65 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:38.360 A strange, shocking being of unpredictable emotions. No one knows 66 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:42.519 when or where he will strike again, or who will 67 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:43.600 be his next victim. 68 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:10.000 Welcome to the projection Booth. I'm your host, Mike White 69 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:12.160 Chimney once again, is mister Otto Bruno? 70 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:14.879 Oh I'm sorry? Does that me? Mike? Thanks? I'm sorry 71 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:16.040 you woke me up. How you doing? 72 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:20.480 Mike also joining us as mister Tim Madigan, Greetings, I'm 73 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:21.879 a man with a milk fetish. 74 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:25.000 I don't even want to know what he means, y'ah, 75 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:26.160 you'll soon find out. 76 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:30.240 Buono Palooza continues What They Look At Victor Bono's first 77 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:34.439 and few leading roles, The Strangler, released in nineteen sixty four, 78 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:38.240 Bueno plays Leo Kroll, a pathetic mama's boy in the 79 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:41.279 mold of Norman Bates who takes out his aggression against women, 80 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:45.279 and a story modeled after the Boston Police Department's profile 81 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:49.079 of the Boston Strangler and released just a few months 82 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:53.360 after the confession to the murders by Albertusalvo. In other words, 83 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:57.720 this is pure exploitation. We will be spoiling this film 84 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.680 as well as the Albert Tsalvo case as we go along. 85 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:02.800 So if you don't want anything ruined, please turn off 86 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:06.120 the podcast and come back after you've seen the film. So, Otto, 87 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:08.439 when was the first time you saw The Strangler and 88 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:09.279 what did you think? 89 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:13.759 It was a few years back, maybe three four years ago. 90 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:17.920 And of course if I saw it that recently, it 91 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:22.759 means I watched it because of mister Maddigan's obsession, and 92 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:25.959 I guess partly with my own obsession with Victor Buono. 93 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:30.800 And I was, quite honestly, I was impressed by it. 94 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.680 Like you said, it's actually one of only two films 95 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:39.120 basically headlined, and the other one was is it called 96 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:40.279 the Butcher or something? 97 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:43.480 I saw it under the title meat is Meat, but 98 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:47.439 normally known as the Mad Butcher. Oh, the Mad Butcher 99 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.079 is the best butcher in Vienna. 100 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:56.240 That one makes this look like Academy Award level materials. 101 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:01.439 So I was actually happily surprised with this movie. And 102 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:07.480 I think Buono's performance is actually quite good. He doesn't 103 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:09.720 play it over the top or anything. I think he 104 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:14.600 gives an actually really interesting, nuanced performance. Again, at this 105 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:18.279 point in time, it's not anything new to any of us. 106 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:21.360 It's certainly not anything we haven't seen on. 107 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:25.319 Television a million times, even in all these years since 108 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:26.000 it came out. 109 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:30.160 But now I thought, for being a low budget picture, 110 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:33.480 I thought it was quite good, quite honestly, And Tim, 111 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:34.199 how about yourself? 112 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:37.600 The best of my knowledge, I first saw it about 113 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:40.800 two weeks ago when I was in Otto's basement and 114 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:43.920 the two of us watched it together, but it did 115 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:47.639 remind me of The Mad Butcher or Meat His Meat, 116 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:52.680 which is almost a parody of this film. I don't 117 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:57.319 think that was deliberately the case, but in both cases 118 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:01.360 it struck me as what a tragedy that Victor Bono 119 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.920 did not star in more film, in both cases of 120 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:11.160 a higher quality, because he's an outstanding actor, and particularly 121 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:16.920 with The Strangler when we'll talk more details soon about 122 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:19.240 the other actors, but a lot of them just seem 123 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:21.720 to be phoning it in or whatever the equivalent is. 124 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:23.199 But he gives it as all. 125 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:27.040 I believe in those days you would telegram it in telegram. 126 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:29.639 Wait a minute, believe it or not. They did have 127 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:31.319 phones in nineteen sixty four. 128 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:32.600 No, I believe it. 129 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:34.639 And there's even a couple of phone calls in here. 130 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.639 So yeah, no, definitely, especially having to call your mom 131 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:39.240 and let her know that you're not coming to the 132 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.080 hospital tonight. I saw this one for the show, had 133 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:46.200 never really heard of it before. I had seen The 134 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:49.240 Mad Butcher and absolutely loved it and was surprised and 135 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:51.759 maybe a little disappointed we weren't doing that one. But 136 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:55.240 I was glad to see The Strangler it was, yeah, 137 00:08:56.039 --> 00:09:00.240 very classy compared to the med Butcher as classy. This 138 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:04.600 film can be got some lovely black and white cinematography, 139 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:08.799 very flat as far as the lighting goes. This looks 140 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:11.320 a lot like a television episode more than a movie 141 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:15.759 at times. We are not talking Hitchcock here. I likened 142 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:20.039 him to Norman Bates and it's yeah, the cinematography is 143 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:22.799 not up there with what mister Hitchcock was doing. This 144 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:26.399 feels very much almost like a fly by night, real 145 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:29.600 quick production. There's a couple standout shots though, like the 146 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:32.840 very first real shot of the movie, once we get 147 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:36.480 past the opening scroll and the king thing that's under 148 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:40.120 the credits, which really recalls to me Whitechapel with the 149 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:42.960 figure and the buildings and everything. But you start with 150 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:45.840 and I don't know why, it's a woman's eye, but 151 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:50.159 a woman looking and then you see a reflection. It's 152 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:54.639 very much a post effect of this woman undressing in 153 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:57.440 the eyeball. And then you cut into the movie and 154 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:01.240 you see our first victim, and man, oh man, these 155 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:05.279 ladies they die quickly, very quickly. 156 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:06.440 You're right. 157 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:11.320 It was like very very little fight was put up 158 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:16.360 against although to be fair, Wono was an imposing figure 159 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:18.240 and these most of. 160 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:21.480 The women in this are not equal to him in 161 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:22.240 that respect. 162 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.159 Certainly, by the way, when you talk about the flatness 163 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:30.720 of the look of this film and comparing to the Hitchcock, 164 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:33.799 I did look as I'm sure you both probably did 165 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:34.200 as well. 166 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:38.639 At the credits of the director, it is his name Topper. 167 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:43.279 Topper, Yes for Topper, And I think it's safe to 168 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:48.399 say from whatever we can garner from IMDb and sources 169 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:52.120 like that, that this was probably the best film he 170 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:56.519 ever met, So let that speak for what it will. 171 00:10:56.679 --> 00:10:59.919 But yeah, again, it was definitely not an a production 172 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:01.879 by any stretch of the imagination. 173 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:04.159 And Tim said the acting. 174 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:07.039 Maybe that's where the poor acting comes in that these women, 175 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.600 maybe the director told them, don't let your death scene 176 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:13.480 last more than three seconds. 177 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:17.559 Maybe the best film that he did, but not the 178 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:20.679 most well known. Oddly, the most well known film he 179 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:23.799 did was from nineteen sixty one with War as Hell, 180 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:26.919 and that only is because of the footnote in the 181 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:30.600 Kennedy assassination. That's the movie that was playing when Oswald 182 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:33.360 went into the theater to hide from the cops. But 183 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:37.279 he also did Soul Hustler, which I remember watching because 184 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:40.440 William Bonner is in there. William Bonner, who played who 185 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:43.600 went by the name of Jack Miehoff in Black Shampoo, 186 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.559 one of my most favorite movies. So that one stars 187 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:51.840 Fabian as a purring pot smoking, wandering singer who becomes 188 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:52.960 a tent show preacher. 189 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:56.039 Yeah, maybe you could start a new podcast six Degreeze 190 00:11:56.080 --> 00:12:01.120 of Black Shampoo see bitch all to eventually lead back 191 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:04.440 to that. And I always thought William Bonner was Billy 192 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:05.480 the kid's real name. 193 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:09.720 I think that's William Bonnie. This movie definitely shines whenever 194 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:12.759 Bono is on screen, and it suffers when he's not. 195 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:17.120 The police procedural that goes along with this film kind 196 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:20.039 of bless me a little flat, especially, I just don't 197 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:22.919 care about these cops at all. I think David McLean's 198 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:25.360 kind of a snooze. No wonder you're sleeping when I 199 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:26.519 did your intro at all. 200 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:31.799 It's really more like a television detective show. But they're 201 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.360 not very good detective. I feel like I said it 202 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.320 to Tim at the time, something like, why aren't they 203 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:41.320 if there's suspicions of them, why aren't they even This 204 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:44.639 was because I think at the end they finally I 205 00:12:44.679 --> 00:12:47.039 don't even think they tail him. I think they're just 206 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:51.440 staking out the amusement park thin. But if you're so 207 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:55.879 suspicious of them, why aren't you even tailing him at all? 208 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:02.679 And yeah, they seemed like really just not good cops, 209 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:05.360 not very efficient cops. 210 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:08.240 So they make dragnets seem upbeat. 211 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:11.240 These guys are really sad that there have been I 212 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:14.879 think our first murder victim is the eighth murder victim, 213 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:19.440 so they've definitely been kicked around a little bit. They 214 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:22.320 have no leads, nothing to go on, so maybe that's 215 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:23.440 why they're so depressed. 216 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:27.039 And that's why I mentioned about the milk fetish, because 217 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:32.120 there's a psychiatrist or psychologist later talking about anything can 218 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:35.240 be a fetish, and then you watch them they're constantly 219 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:38.679 drinking milk. I didn't know if that was a subtle 220 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:42.120 nod by the director, just coincidental, but it's like, what's 221 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:45.320 up with all this milk? Drinking a mother's milk? Perhaps 222 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:49.080 they're getting very freudy in here. It does have a 223 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:53.679 CD look to it, so, which is appropriate for the film. 224 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:57.679 As you say, Mike, it's an exploitation film, like a 225 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:00.240 lot of these sort of films. We talked earlier about 226 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:03.240 films like Who Killed Teddy Bear? It's just filmed around 227 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.200 the same time you want to take a bath afterwards. 228 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:08.639 It's just and not only is. 229 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:12.600 This exploiting the Boston strangler case, but it also feels 230 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:15.840 like it's cashing in on whatever happened to Baby Jane, 231 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:20.279 taking Victor Bono out of that movie. Keeping the doll 232 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:23.279 thing we talked about the dolls of Baby Jane in 233 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:28.320 the previous episode, but giving him this doll fetish type 234 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:31.799 object where he transfers it's almost a literal transfer, like 235 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:34.360 he's holding the doll and then he reaches down and 236 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:37.279 touches to close the eyelids of his first victim, and 237 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:40.559 it's almost like this transference of energy. Now I have 238 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:43.360 you my little darling type of thing with this doll, 239 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.200 and he strips off the doll, strips off. I love 240 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:49.320 how the dolls have nylons on them, their stockings. 241 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:51.039 I'm like, goshim and I talked about that. 242 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:54.600 Yeah, And it feels so much like this is Victor 243 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:57.320 Bono if he had gone back home to his mother 244 00:14:57.679 --> 00:14:59.879 in Baby Jane. She's not merely the herod in that 245 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:03.000 she is in this one, but he hates his mother 246 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:05.840 in Baby Jane, at least in the book Edwin Flagg 247 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:10.240 just cannot stand her at all. And this one, Oh 248 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:14.360 my gosh, this mother character just so awful. And speaking 249 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:16.440 of Hitchcock, I seem to remember that she was the 250 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:21.039 person that managed the didn't you manage the hotel where 251 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:24.679 Kim Novak was staying in Vertigo. I'm pretty sure that 252 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:26.399 Grandma Walton was in that. 253 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:30.919 She was the second movie that Ellen Corby and Victor 254 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:34.360 Bono were in, because they were both in Four for Texas. Also, 255 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:37.799 we don't know if they formed any kind of an 256 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:41.799 allegiance or not. But she I thought she's excellent as 257 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:46.399 a really unpleasant mother. Oh she was a terrible mother. Yeah, 258 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.039 she was. Particularly as you mentioned, she was Grandma on 259 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:51.879 the Walton, so you can't help. But it's almost like 260 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:53.759 the dark side of Grandma Walton. 261 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:57.759 Grandma Walton could be a bit of a feisty old 262 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:00.879 brod Leo, your. 263 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:06.200 Mother nearly died, my heart, Leo, it nearly gave out, 264 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:10.440 and you didn't come. 265 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:12.240 What happened? 266 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:13.480 I don't know, dear. 267 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:16.080 They won't tell you what really happened. 268 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:20.519 I fainted and it was like there was a knife 269 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:23.559 in my heart. That's all I remember. 270 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:26.960 And if Clara hadn't found me right away and given 271 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:30.799 me a hypol I would have died Leo right then. 272 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:36.039 Very lucky. 273 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.399 Most of all, what do we remember, Tim? I remember Mama, 274 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:44.679 isn't she? And I remember Mama as aunt, Yeah there 275 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:47.799 as Aunt Trina. I didn't remember that she was. And 276 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:50.279 I remember Mama, yeah she was. 277 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:54.639 She plays like the more meek of Irene Dunn's sisters, 278 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:59.200 but she's got a pretty pretty substantial role. And I 279 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:03.919 remember Mama, so that certainly is definitely the opposite of 280 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:07.839 this character. I think Grandma Waltman never totally trusted her, 281 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:11.759 but and Mike, you are correct, she was. She was 282 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:17.400 the proprietor of the McKittrick Hotel in Vertigo, and. 283 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:19.599 You know that whole Walton family. I mean they were 284 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:21.759 filled with a bunch of comedies. You had Will Greer 285 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:24.839 and Ralph Wade in there, and they're both the blacklist 286 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:27.240 that if memory serves, I didn't know. 287 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:30.359 I did not know about Ralph Waite, but definitely Willneer 288 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:33.839 was blacklist, no question about that. 289 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:36.640 One bad influence on John Boy for sure. 290 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:42.039 Talking about six degays of separation, my very limited connection 291 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:46.359 with any Hollywood fame. My mother's first cousin was an 292 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:50.240 actor named Joe Connley who got a one time role 293 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:54.839 in The Waltons as a storekeeper, and I guess was 294 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:58.160 Earl Hamner liked him so much that he made him 295 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:02.559 a regular character. I got so every I forget what 296 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:04.480 day of the week The Waltons was on, but we 297 00:18:04.519 --> 00:18:06.839 always had to watch it, and as soon as it appear, 298 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:08.440 my mother would say, there's cousin Joe. 299 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:11.519 I know what day it was on because I didn't 300 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:13.640 watch it because it was on the same day as 301 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:16.519 Flip Wilson and then later on the same day as 302 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:18.440 Barney Miller was on Thursday nights. 303 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:20.240 You gotta have some loyalty there. 304 00:18:20.720 --> 00:18:22.519 Yeah, Thursday Nights on CBS. 305 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:25.559 We must have switched over because I know I watched 306 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:29.400 Barney Miller too. So we only had one TV in 307 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:31.960 those days, and we have a VCR or anything. 308 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:35.640 Because Barney only lasted I think in the early slot 309 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:38.279 for maybe a year or so, because then they moved 310 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:40.240 it to a later slot. And I'm pretty sure that 311 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:43.240 The Waltons were always on from eight to nine, but 312 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:48.119 your cousin Joe was in one hundred and seventy two 313 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:51.480 of the two hundred and twelve episodes, and he. 314 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:55.559 Wrote his autobiography published by the Great Bear manor Preudz. 315 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:59.519 That's full circle. It all comes around. I wonder if 316 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:03.799 it's just a coincidence Bono's casting in this role, or 317 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:07.799 was it perhaps because of being at Whatever Happened to 318 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:11.599 Baby Jane? Because you say there is a definite connection 319 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:18.440 with the mother obsessed, very od person who seems to 320 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:19.799 have a lot of women problems. 321 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:22.680 I don't know how much stock I want to put 322 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:26.160 into the audio commentary for this. It was David Delvall 323 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:30.519 and David Dakoto David Dakota who did a talking cat 324 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:34.720 and Sorority Babes at the Slameball bull Rama. I trust him, 325 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:38.839 I don't necessarily trust del val And he was saying 326 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:42.960 that after Whatever Happened to Baby Jane, where he was 327 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.480 nominated for a Best Supporting Actor Oscar, that he was 328 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:48.720 very picky about his roles. Of course, he worked with 329 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:52.279 Alberts again and for from Texas, but then wasn't taking 330 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:55.680 a lot and got paid big time to be in 331 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:58.240 this movie. I guess as Asian was turning down a 332 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:01.640 lot of stuff, but then they offered him the right price. 333 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:06.559 What Dalval quoted was two hundred thousand dollars, which in 334 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:12.799 nineteen sixty four money is huge. I just somebody just 335 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:16.319 calculated one hundred and ten thousand dollars in nineteen sixty 336 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:18.880 four money and it was like close to a million. 337 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:21.279 So I can't even imagine how much two hundred thousand 338 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:24.920 dollars was at that time. Got himself a house, got 339 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:29.039 his mother or house, because Victor Bono definitely loved his mother, 340 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:31.839 and that's one of the things that I think plays 341 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:35.680 well in this whole idea of the mother fixation. And 342 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:38.839 we are I mentioned Norman Bates and I'm going to 343 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:40.960 keep mentioning him. I even mentioned him in the last 344 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:44.119 episode because I just feel like this was also a 345 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:47.960 psycho exploitation film. Not only are we talking about Baby Jane, 346 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:51.960 but then also the Boston strangler and adding psycho to it. 347 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:54.400 Thank god, we don't have the psychiatrist at the end 348 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:57.680 coming in Simon Oakland and explaining everything to us. But 349 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:01.440 we've got the psychiatrist, the milk obsessed psychiatrists, as you mentioned, 350 00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:05.079 who is there. Oh yeah, people can go skitzo. And 351 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:09.119 I'm like, what I'm very professional here, doctor, what. 352 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:10.440 About the doll in her apartment? 353 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:11.680 I've broken. 354 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:12.640 A toy. 355 00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:20.480 Could be more than a toy, could be a fetish, fetish. 356 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:25.279 It's not uncommon transference of emotion from one thing to another. 357 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:31.039 Fetish can be anything, any non sexual object that incites 358 00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:35.839 erotic feelings, whether it sticks, stones, piece of clothing in 359 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:38.920 this case of doll, what's a belt? 360 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:40.279 Yeah? Thanks. 361 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:46.519 Later, when the Buono character is being interrogated, he tells 362 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:49.640 the psychiatrist, Oh, I love your work. You work in 363 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:51.839 abnormal psychology. 364 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:55.680 What I thought was kind of sad and certainly a 365 00:21:55.839 --> 00:22:01.240 reflection of our own culture and the prejudices that are 366 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:07.839 probably built within. But Buono is nominated for this Academy 367 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:11.440 Award and what essentially is his first role in a film, 368 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:16.559 and it's a major Hollywood film, and then this was 369 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:21.480 the best that they could offer him after that, I 370 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:25.160 thought was disappointing. And of course, when you talk about 371 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:29.799 Victor Buono and Anthony Perkins, okay, they're both a playing 372 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:35.640 mother obsessed psychos. But the difference was there was a 373 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:40.319 time in the fifties where you know, Anthony Perkins was 374 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:45.680 being put forth as a general sex symbol or a 375 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:50.200 general leading man, which of course they would never consider 376 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:55.839 Buono four because of his girth and his balding, had 377 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:58.680 all the whole thing. And it's too bad because he 378 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:02.920 was again I think his certainly on film. I don't 379 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:08.079 think his talent was ever really tapped, quite honestly on film. 380 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:11.400 I think he did some things on television later on 381 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.319 that at least showed you what a brilliant comedian he 382 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:18.359 could book, a brilliant comedic actor that he could be. 383 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:21.559 But I thought it was sad that this was the 384 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:25.119 best that they could come up with for him after 385 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:29.400 getting an Academy Award nomination. And this is obviously a 386 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:33.039 small budget picture, which by the way, makes me highly 387 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:35.599 doubt he could have gotten two hundred thousand, because the 388 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:38.319 film itself doesn't look like it costs more than five 389 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:39.079 hundred thousand. 390 00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:44.279 Maybes drop a few zero, yeah, exactly. Yeah. 391 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:46.920 There were a lot of things in that Devell commentary 392 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:50.880 that was just like, what, I don't think you're right here, 393 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:53.799 And then they just kept repeating himself like crazy the 394 00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:58.200 whole thing. DeSalvo confessed, but DNA evidence and blah blah blah. 395 00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:01.359 He said that three four times during the whole thing. 396 00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:04.279 I was like, oh my gosh, Okay, once is enough. 397 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:06.680 Twice maybe just to bring it home, but like three, 398 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:11.039 four times, yeah, just let's move on to another topic. Please. 399 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:14.960 Going back to the opening, you don't need a spoiler 400 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:19.359 alert because you see what is the bonos characters named 401 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:25.200