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Speaker 1: Oh jeez, boat, it's showtime.
Speaker 4: People say good money to see this movie when they
Speaker 4: go out to a theater. They want closed sodas hop
Speaker 4: popcorn in no monsters in the projection booths.
Speaker 5: Everyone for ten podcasting isn't boring?
Speaker 1: Dot it off?
Speaker 6: What about the doll in her apartment could be a fetish?
Speaker 6: Fetish fetish can be anything any non sexual object that
Speaker 6: incites erotic feelings.
Speaker 4: In this case of all the Strangler based on the
Speaker 4: terrifying crime wave that has gripped Boston and spread across
Speaker 4: the country.
Speaker 7: That makes number eight for the Strangler.
Speaker 4: Yeah it looks not money starring Victor Buono. The shock
Speaker 4: sensation of whatever happened to Baby Jane has the most baffling,
Speaker 4: the most horrifying criminal in a decade.
Speaker 6: There wasn't rape, no evidence in maltreatment after death.
Speaker 4: No woman is safe as long as the Strangler lives
Speaker 4: and roams at will.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who don't laugh at
Speaker 1: me anymore.
Speaker 2: They don't laugh at anymore.
Speaker 8: Please go away, I'll go.
Speaker 4: A strange, shocking being of unpredictable emotions. No one knows
Speaker 4: when or where he will strike again, or who will
Speaker 4: be his next victim.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the projection Booth. I'm your host, Mike White
Speaker 2: Chimney once again, is mister Otto Bruno?
Speaker 3: Oh I'm sorry? Does that me? Mike? Thanks? I'm sorry
Speaker 3: you woke me up. How you doing?
Speaker 2: Mike also joining us as mister Tim Madigan, Greetings, I'm
Speaker 2: a man with a milk fetish.
Speaker 3: I don't even want to know what he means, y'ah,
Speaker 3: you'll soon find out.
Speaker 2: Buono Palooza continues What They Look At Victor Bono's first
Speaker 2: and few leading roles, The Strangler, released in nineteen sixty four,
Speaker 2: Bueno plays Leo Kroll, a pathetic mama's boy in the
Speaker 2: mold of Norman Bates who takes out his aggression against women,
Speaker 2: and a story modeled after the Boston Police Department's profile
Speaker 2: of the Boston Strangler and released just a few months
Speaker 2: after the confession to the murders by Albertusalvo. In other words,
Speaker 2: this is pure exploitation. We will be spoiling this film
Speaker 2: as well as the Albert Tsalvo case as we go along.
Speaker 2: So if you don't want anything ruined, please turn off
Speaker 2: the podcast and come back after you've seen the film. So, Otto,
Speaker 2: when was the first time you saw The Strangler and
Speaker 2: what did you think?
Speaker 5: It was a few years back, maybe three four years ago.
Speaker 5: And of course if I saw it that recently, it
Speaker 5: means I watched it because of mister Maddigan's obsession, and
Speaker 5: I guess partly with my own obsession with Victor Buono.
Speaker 5: And I was, quite honestly, I was impressed by it.
Speaker 5: Like you said, it's actually one of only two films
Speaker 5: basically headlined, and the other one was is it called
Speaker 5: the Butcher or something?
Speaker 2: I saw it under the title meat is Meat, but
Speaker 2: normally known as the Mad Butcher. Oh, the Mad Butcher
Speaker 2: is the best butcher in Vienna.
Speaker 5: That one makes this look like Academy Award level materials.
Speaker 5: So I was actually happily surprised with this movie. And
Speaker 5: I think Buono's performance is actually quite good. He doesn't
Speaker 5: play it over the top or anything. I think he
Speaker 5: gives an actually really interesting, nuanced performance. Again, at this
Speaker 5: point in time, it's not anything new to any of us.
Speaker 5: It's certainly not anything we haven't seen on.
Speaker 3: Television a million times, even in all these years since
Speaker 3: it came out.
Speaker 5: But now I thought, for being a low budget picture,
Speaker 5: I thought it was quite good, quite honestly, And Tim,
Speaker 5: how about yourself?
Speaker 3: The best of my knowledge, I first saw it about
Speaker 3: two weeks ago when I was in Otto's basement and
Speaker 3: the two of us watched it together, but it did
Speaker 3: remind me of The Mad Butcher or Meat His Meat,
Speaker 3: which is almost a parody of this film. I don't
Speaker 3: think that was deliberately the case, but in both cases
Speaker 3: it struck me as what a tragedy that Victor Bono
Speaker 3: did not star in more film, in both cases of
Speaker 3: a higher quality, because he's an outstanding actor, and particularly
Speaker 3: with The Strangler when we'll talk more details soon about
Speaker 3: the other actors, but a lot of them just seem
Speaker 3: to be phoning it in or whatever the equivalent is.
Speaker 3: But he gives it as all.
Speaker 2: I believe in those days you would telegram it in telegram.
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, believe it or not. They did have
Speaker 5: phones in nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 3: No, I believe it.
Speaker 2: And there's even a couple of phone calls in here.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, definitely, especially having to call your mom
Speaker 2: and let her know that you're not coming to the
Speaker 2: hospital tonight. I saw this one for the show, had
Speaker 2: never really heard of it before. I had seen The
Speaker 2: Mad Butcher and absolutely loved it and was surprised and
Speaker 2: maybe a little disappointed we weren't doing that one. But
Speaker 2: I was glad to see The Strangler it was, yeah,
Speaker 2: very classy compared to the med Butcher as classy. This
Speaker 2: film can be got some lovely black and white cinematography,
Speaker 2: very flat as far as the lighting goes. This looks
Speaker 2: a lot like a television episode more than a movie
Speaker 2: at times. We are not talking Hitchcock here. I likened
Speaker 2: him to Norman Bates and it's yeah, the cinematography is
Speaker 2: not up there with what mister Hitchcock was doing. This
Speaker 2: feels very much almost like a fly by night, real
Speaker 2: quick production. There's a couple standout shots though, like the
Speaker 2: very first real shot of the movie, once we get
Speaker 2: past the opening scroll and the king thing that's under
Speaker 2: the credits, which really recalls to me Whitechapel with the
Speaker 2: figure and the buildings and everything. But you start with
Speaker 2: and I don't know why, it's a woman's eye, but
Speaker 2: a woman looking and then you see a reflection. It's
Speaker 2: very much a post effect of this woman undressing in
Speaker 2: the eyeball. And then you cut into the movie and
Speaker 2: you see our first victim, and man, oh man, these
Speaker 2: ladies they die quickly, very quickly.
Speaker 3: You're right.
Speaker 5: It was like very very little fight was put up
Speaker 5: against although to be fair, Wono was an imposing figure
Speaker 5: and these most of.
Speaker 3: The women in this are not equal to him in
Speaker 3: that respect.
Speaker 5: Certainly, by the way, when you talk about the flatness
Speaker 5: of the look of this film and comparing to the Hitchcock,
Speaker 5: I did look as I'm sure you both probably did
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 3: At the credits of the director, it is his name Topper.
Speaker 5: Topper, Yes for Topper, And I think it's safe to
Speaker 5: say from whatever we can garner from IMDb and sources
Speaker 5: like that, that this was probably the best film he
Speaker 5: ever met, So let that speak for what it will.
Speaker 5: But yeah, again, it was definitely not an a production
Speaker 5: by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 3: And Tim said the acting.
Speaker 5: Maybe that's where the poor acting comes in that these women,
Speaker 5: maybe the director told them, don't let your death scene
Speaker 5: last more than three seconds.
Speaker 2: Maybe the best film that he did, but not the
Speaker 2: most well known. Oddly, the most well known film he
Speaker 2: did was from nineteen sixty one with War as Hell,
Speaker 2: and that only is because of the footnote in the
Speaker 2: Kennedy assassination. That's the movie that was playing when Oswald
Speaker 2: went into the theater to hide from the cops. But
Speaker 2: he also did Soul Hustler, which I remember watching because
Speaker 2: William Bonner is in there. William Bonner, who played who
Speaker 2: went by the name of Jack Miehoff in Black Shampoo,
Speaker 2: one of my most favorite movies. So that one stars
Speaker 2: Fabian as a purring pot smoking, wandering singer who becomes
Speaker 2: a tent show preacher.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe you could start a new podcast six Degreeze
Speaker 3: of Black Shampoo see bitch all to eventually lead back
Speaker 3: to that. And I always thought William Bonner was Billy
Speaker 3: the kid's real name.
Speaker 2: I think that's William Bonnie. This movie definitely shines whenever
Speaker 2: Bono is on screen, and it suffers when he's not.
Speaker 2: The police procedural that goes along with this film kind
Speaker 2: of bless me a little flat, especially, I just don't
Speaker 2: care about these cops at all. I think David McLean's
Speaker 2: kind of a snooze. No wonder you're sleeping when I
Speaker 2: did your intro at all.
Speaker 5: It's really more like a television detective show. But they're
Speaker 5: not very good detective. I feel like I said it
Speaker 5: to Tim at the time, something like, why aren't they
Speaker 5: if there's suspicions of them, why aren't they even This
Speaker 5: was because I think at the end they finally I
Speaker 5: don't even think they tail him. I think they're just
Speaker 5: staking out the amusement park thin. But if you're so
Speaker 5: suspicious of them, why aren't you even tailing him at all?
Speaker 5: And yeah, they seemed like really just not good cops,
Speaker 5: not very efficient cops.
Speaker 3: So they make dragnets seem upbeat.
Speaker 2: These guys are really sad that there have been I
Speaker 2: think our first murder victim is the eighth murder victim,
Speaker 2: so they've definitely been kicked around a little bit. They
Speaker 2: have no leads, nothing to go on, so maybe that's
Speaker 2: why they're so depressed.
Speaker 3: And that's why I mentioned about the milk fetish, because
Speaker 3: there's a psychiatrist or psychologist later talking about anything can
Speaker 3: be a fetish, and then you watch them they're constantly
Speaker 3: drinking milk. I didn't know if that was a subtle
Speaker 3: nod by the director, just coincidental, but it's like, what's
Speaker 3: up with all this milk? Drinking a mother's milk? Perhaps
Speaker 3: they're getting very freudy in here. It does have a
Speaker 3: CD look to it, so, which is appropriate for the film.
Speaker 3: As you say, Mike, it's an exploitation film, like a
Speaker 3: lot of these sort of films. We talked earlier about
Speaker 3: films like Who Killed Teddy Bear? It's just filmed around
Speaker 3: the same time you want to take a bath afterwards.
Speaker 3: It's just and not only is.
Speaker 2: This exploiting the Boston strangler case, but it also feels
Speaker 2: like it's cashing in on whatever happened to Baby Jane,
Speaker 2: taking Victor Bono out of that movie. Keeping the doll
Speaker 2: thing we talked about the dolls of Baby Jane in
Speaker 2: the previous episode, but giving him this doll fetish type
Speaker 2: object where he transfers it's almost a literal transfer, like
Speaker 2: he's holding the doll and then he reaches down and
Speaker 2: touches to close the eyelids of his first victim, and
Speaker 2: it's almost like this transference of energy. Now I have
Speaker 2: you my little darling type of thing with this doll,
Speaker 2: and he strips off the doll, strips off. I love
Speaker 2: how the dolls have nylons on them, their stockings.
Speaker 3: I'm like, goshim and I talked about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it feels so much like this is Victor
Speaker 2: Bono if he had gone back home to his mother
Speaker 2: in Baby Jane. She's not merely the herod in that
Speaker 2: she is in this one, but he hates his mother
Speaker 2: in Baby Jane, at least in the book Edwin Flagg
Speaker 2: just cannot stand her at all. And this one, Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, this mother character just so awful. And speaking
Speaker 2: of Hitchcock, I seem to remember that she was the
Speaker 2: person that managed the didn't you manage the hotel where
Speaker 2: Kim Novak was staying in Vertigo. I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 2: Grandma Walton was in that.
Speaker 3: She was the second movie that Ellen Corby and Victor
Speaker 3: Bono were in, because they were both in Four for Texas. Also,
Speaker 3: we don't know if they formed any kind of an
Speaker 3: allegiance or not. But she I thought she's excellent as
Speaker 3: a really unpleasant mother. Oh she was a terrible mother. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she was. Particularly as you mentioned, she was Grandma on
Speaker 3: the Walton, so you can't help. But it's almost like
Speaker 3: the dark side of Grandma Walton.
Speaker 5: Grandma Walton could be a bit of a feisty old
Speaker 5: brod Leo, your.
Speaker 8: Mother nearly died, my heart, Leo, it nearly gave out,
Speaker 8: and you didn't come.
Speaker 3: What happened?
Speaker 8: I don't know, dear.
Speaker 9: They won't tell you what really happened.
Speaker 10: I fainted and it was like there was a knife
Speaker 10: in my heart. That's all I remember.
Speaker 8: And if Clara hadn't found me right away and given
Speaker 8: me a hypol I would have died Leo right then.
Speaker 2: Very lucky.
Speaker 3: Most of all, what do we remember, Tim? I remember Mama,
Speaker 3: isn't she? And I remember Mama as aunt, Yeah there
Speaker 3: as Aunt Trina. I didn't remember that she was. And
Speaker 3: I remember Mama, yeah she was.
Speaker 5: She plays like the more meek of Irene Dunn's sisters,
Speaker 5: but she's got a pretty pretty substantial role. And I
Speaker 5: remember Mama, so that certainly is definitely the opposite of
Speaker 5: this character. I think Grandma Waltman never totally trusted her,
Speaker 5: but and Mike, you are correct, she was. She was
Speaker 5: the proprietor of the McKittrick Hotel in Vertigo, and.
Speaker 2: You know that whole Walton family. I mean they were
Speaker 2: filled with a bunch of comedies. You had Will Greer
Speaker 2: and Ralph Wade in there, and they're both the blacklist
Speaker 2: that if memory serves, I didn't know.
Speaker 5: I did not know about Ralph Waite, but definitely Willneer
Speaker 5: was blacklist, no question about that.
Speaker 2: One bad influence on John Boy for sure.
Speaker 3: Talking about six degays of separation, my very limited connection
Speaker 3: with any Hollywood fame. My mother's first cousin was an
Speaker 3: actor named Joe Connley who got a one time role
Speaker 3: in The Waltons as a storekeeper, and I guess was
Speaker 3: Earl Hamner liked him so much that he made him
Speaker 3: a regular character. I got so every I forget what
Speaker 3: day of the week The Waltons was on, but we
Speaker 3: always had to watch it, and as soon as it appear,
Speaker 3: my mother would say, there's cousin Joe.
Speaker 5: I know what day it was on because I didn't
Speaker 5: watch it because it was on the same day as
Speaker 5: Flip Wilson and then later on the same day as
Speaker 5: Barney Miller was on Thursday nights.
Speaker 2: You gotta have some loyalty there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Thursday Nights on CBS.
Speaker 3: We must have switched over because I know I watched
Speaker 3: Barney Miller too. So we only had one TV in
Speaker 3: those days, and we have a VCR or anything.
Speaker 5: Because Barney only lasted I think in the early slot
Speaker 5: for maybe a year or so, because then they moved
Speaker 5: it to a later slot. And I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 5: The Waltons were always on from eight to nine, but
Speaker 5: your cousin Joe was in one hundred and seventy two
Speaker 5: of the two hundred and twelve episodes, and he.
Speaker 3: Wrote his autobiography published by the Great Bear manor Preudz.
Speaker 3: That's full circle. It all comes around. I wonder if
Speaker 3: it's just a coincidence Bono's casting in this role, or
Speaker 3: was it perhaps because of being at Whatever Happened to
Speaker 3: Baby Jane? Because you say there is a definite connection
Speaker 3: with the mother obsessed, very od person who seems to
Speaker 3: have a lot of women problems.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much stock I want to put
Speaker 2: into the audio commentary for this. It was David Delvall
Speaker 2: and David Dakoto David Dakota who did a talking cat
Speaker 2: and Sorority Babes at the Slameball bull Rama. I trust him,
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily trust del val And he was saying
Speaker 2: that after Whatever Happened to Baby Jane, where he was
Speaker 2: nominated for a Best Supporting Actor Oscar, that he was
Speaker 2: very picky about his roles. Of course, he worked with
Speaker 2: Alberts again and for from Texas, but then wasn't taking
Speaker 2: a lot and got paid big time to be in
Speaker 2: this movie. I guess as Asian was turning down a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff, but then they offered him the right price.
Speaker 2: What Dalval quoted was two hundred thousand dollars, which in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty four money is huge. I just somebody just
Speaker 2: calculated one hundred and ten thousand dollars in nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: four money and it was like close to a million.
Speaker 2: So I can't even imagine how much two hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars was at that time. Got himself a house, got
Speaker 2: his mother or house, because Victor Bono definitely loved his mother,
Speaker 2: and that's one of the things that I think plays
Speaker 2: well in this whole idea of the mother fixation. And
Speaker 2: we are I mentioned Norman Bates and I'm going to
Speaker 2: keep mentioning him. I even mentioned him in the last
Speaker 2: episode because I just feel like this was also a
Speaker 2: psycho exploitation film. Not only are we talking about Baby Jane,
Speaker 2: but then also the Boston strangler and adding psycho to it.
Speaker 2: Thank god, we don't have the psychiatrist at the end
Speaker 2: coming in Simon Oakland and explaining everything to us. But
Speaker 2: we've got the psychiatrist, the milk obsessed psychiatrists, as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: who is there. Oh yeah, people can go skitzo. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, what I'm very professional here, doctor, what.
Speaker 7: About the doll in her apartment?
Speaker 6: I've broken.
Speaker 3: A toy.
Speaker 6: Could be more than a toy, could be a fetish, fetish.
Speaker 6: It's not uncommon transference of emotion from one thing to another.
Speaker 6: Fetish can be anything, any non sexual object that incites
Speaker 6: erotic feelings, whether it sticks, stones, piece of clothing in
Speaker 6: this case of doll, what's a belt?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Thanks.
Speaker 3: Later, when the Buono character is being interrogated, he tells
Speaker 3: the psychiatrist, Oh, I love your work. You work in
Speaker 3: abnormal psychology.
Speaker 5: What I thought was kind of sad and certainly a
Speaker 5: reflection of our own culture and the prejudices that are
Speaker 5: probably built within. But Buono is nominated for this Academy
Speaker 5: Award and what essentially is his first role in a film,
Speaker 5: and it's a major Hollywood film, and then this was
Speaker 5: the best that they could offer him after that, I
Speaker 5: thought was disappointing. And of course, when you talk about
Speaker 5: Victor Buono and Anthony Perkins, okay, they're both a playing
Speaker 5: mother obsessed psychos. But the difference was there was a
Speaker 5: time in the fifties where you know, Anthony Perkins was
Speaker 5: being put forth as a general sex symbol or a
Speaker 5: general leading man, which of course they would never consider
Speaker 5: Buono four because of his girth and his balding, had
Speaker 5: all the whole thing. And it's too bad because he
Speaker 5: was again I think his certainly on film. I don't
Speaker 5: think his talent was ever really tapped, quite honestly on film.
Speaker 5: I think he did some things on television later on
Speaker 5: that at least showed you what a brilliant comedian he
Speaker 5: could book, a brilliant comedic actor that he could be.
Speaker 5: But I thought it was sad that this was the
Speaker 5: best that they could come up with for him after
Speaker 5: getting an Academy Award nomination. And this is obviously a
Speaker 5: small budget picture, which by the way, makes me highly
Speaker 5: doubt he could have gotten two hundred thousand, because the
Speaker 5: film itself doesn't look like it costs more than five
Speaker 5: hundred thousand.
Speaker 3: Maybes drop a few zero, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There were a lot of things in that Devell commentary
Speaker 2: that was just like, what, I don't think you're right here,
Speaker 2: And then they just kept repeating himself like crazy the
Speaker 2: whole thing. DeSalvo confessed, but DNA evidence and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: He said that three four times during the whole thing.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, Okay, once is enough.
Speaker 2: Twice maybe just to bring it home, but like three,
Speaker 2: four times, yeah, just let's move on to another topic. Please.
Speaker 3: Going back to the opening, you don't need a spoiler
Speaker 3: alert because you see what is the bonos characters named
Speaker 3: Leo Kroll Leo kill the eighth victim. We learned later
Speaker 3: immediately it's him, And I thought it could have been
Speaker 3: better if this was more like like the Lodger, where
Speaker 3: he's a suspect and then it turns out it's not him,
Speaker 3: because many people have said Laird Krigard, there are other
Speaker 3: people of similar build who had a good career who
Speaker 3: did play dramatic role. But by knowing immediately it's him,
Speaker 3: then you know, it takes obou, it takes a mystery out.
Speaker 3: Maybe we need Colombo then we could have and he
Speaker 3: could have then let us all know how he figured
Speaker 3: it out, that these cops, almost by hampenstance, figure out
Speaker 3: he did, and they don't even protect the last victims.
Speaker 2: They give her the cigarette lighter with the microphone in it,
Speaker 2: which is like the best microphone in the entire world
Speaker 2: that picks up every noise in her entire apartment.
Speaker 3: And promising her they weren't. Let's just plan a microphone
Speaker 3: on her and not tell her. This is a big guy.
Speaker 5: And these women, almost all of them are small, petite women.
Speaker 5: So yeah, the lighter, what good is that going to do.
Speaker 5: By the time you get there, he could have easily
Speaker 5: broken her neck without even breaking a sweat. When they
Speaker 5: show us right from the get go that he's the murderer,
Speaker 5: it also signals to you that, yes, this is not
Speaker 5: a mystery, this is not a suspense story. Really, it's
Speaker 5: a psychological portrait. You're going to be a character study,
Speaker 5: if you will, of this troubled mind.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't even kill that many people. Throughout this film,
Speaker 2: I think we've got our first victim. We've got the
Speaker 2: nurse that's taking care of his mother. We've got his
Speaker 2: mother by having a heart attack when he finds when
Speaker 2: she finds out that the nurse is dead. And then
Speaker 2: the one blonde lady who's working with Tally who because
Speaker 2: we haven't said to the audience yet, he loves to
Speaker 2: go into a local arcade and play ring toss, and
Speaker 2: he pretends that he comes into town once in a while,
Speaker 2: that he's this important businessman rather than working in a lab,
Speaker 2: which I think is an interesting profession, but they don't
Speaker 2: really explore it that much. I'm like, oh, oh, he
Speaker 2: could be making something or doing something with this stuff,
Speaker 2: but no, there's really nothing very remarkable that there's actual
Speaker 2: an African American lady who works with him, the one
Speaker 2: with the hat pen. But yeah, really he kills the
Speaker 2: seven beforehand, and then in this movie one, two, three,
Speaker 2: maybe four if you want to consider his mother as well.
Speaker 3: His fellow lab worker there. I thought that scene was
Speaker 3: very interesting when she talks about the hatpin and other
Speaker 3: ways she would try to protect herself, and I thought
Speaker 3: that was foreshadowy.
Speaker 2: Same once you talked about the acid that some ladies
Speaker 2: would carry. I'm like, oh boy, that's going to be horrific.
Speaker 3: He yeah, and then nothing comes of it. It's interesting
Speaker 3: interplay with them. He's just seems blase or not paying
Speaker 3: attention to her, but presumably he's picking up like, oh oh,
Speaker 3: I better be carefully right. Some women might actually, especially
Speaker 3: now that I've killed eight of them, there might be
Speaker 3: some that are actually they do something to protect themselves.
Speaker 5: They don't explore the fact that he works in a lab.
Speaker 5: They don't tell you what he works on or anything.
Speaker 5: And you're right, I didn't even think of it. But
Speaker 5: they could have made it a lot more interesting, Like
Speaker 5: he could have been a researcher working on some kind
Speaker 5: of drug that would save people's lives while at night
Speaker 5: he's going out and taking people's lives.
Speaker 3: Even that would have been something.
Speaker 5: And the whole idea that, Yeah, as Tim just said,
Speaker 5: you're bringing up the acid all this and you think
Speaker 5: it's going to lead to something and it doesn't. Oh,
Speaker 5: the writer, although the writer had certainly a bigger and
Speaker 5: more impressive resume than the director. But maybe I think
Speaker 5: this might have been earlier in his career, this particular film,
Speaker 5: because he went on, Hey, the guy who wrote this,
Speaker 5: I think his name was Bill Bollinger or something. He
Speaker 5: went on to write some Cannon episodes, So he's got
Speaker 5: to be talented.
Speaker 2: Waiting for another heavy person.
Speaker 5: I loved Frank Cannon. He was one of my favorites. Whoever,
Speaker 5: I don't think he was.
Speaker 2: The writer also wrote two episodes of Kolchak The Night Soccer.
Speaker 2: He wrote Firefall and Primal Screen and yeah, he wrote
Speaker 2: Canon Ironside, an I Spy episode. Yeah, this guy was
Speaker 2: all over the place. I love it.
Speaker 3: Run for your Life.
Speaker 5: I don't think Bono ever did do it Cannon, although
Speaker 5: it certainly would have been in He should have.
Speaker 3: He should have.
Speaker 2: You imagine the promo for then with Cannon on one
Speaker 2: side and Bono on the other. That would be awesome.
Speaker 3: Now, I wonder, getting back to the writer, there's dark
Speaker 3: humor in the film, but I don't know if it
Speaker 3: was intentional or not. Like we're saying when the one
Speaker 3: doctor says, whatever, you don't tell your mother that the
Speaker 3: nurse she loves his day, you got a bad heart,
Speaker 3: net would kill her. And then when the nurse when
Speaker 3: he learns that she had saved his mother's life, and
Speaker 3: the mother's going on and on. But if not for her,
Speaker 3: I'd have been dead. And you see a fresh ships.
Speaker 2: I thundy, I really yeah. I laughed as well. I'm
Speaker 2: just like just him trying to hold that back.
Speaker 3: Oh it was her, That's like the Victor buono is
Speaker 3: Otto was mentioned. We know his comedic roles, and I
Speaker 3: thought that this is very funny. That was foreshadowing to
Speaker 3: the Third Light and to the mother.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know that was put up right up on
Speaker 5: a tee, don't tell her about the nurse could kill her.
Speaker 2: Well, you can tell how awful this mother is because
Speaker 2: she's got pictures of herself all over her house, including
Speaker 2: right over her own bed. I'm like, what what kind
Speaker 2: of ego maniac are you?
Speaker 3: Lady?
Speaker 5: When we first see that scene with all the pictures
Speaker 5: of her in there, I didn't realize right away that
Speaker 5: it was her room because and then you, I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: because at first I thought, oh, is it his room
Speaker 5: and he's got this weird but no, it was like
Speaker 5: you say, it was her room, and I and you
Speaker 5: just love when she basically says him like, no one
Speaker 5: would love you except me?
Speaker 3: That rant is just oh for brutal, that was rough, man, What.
Speaker 10: Would any girl want you for?
Speaker 1: Come over here?
Speaker 10: Come on, nah, face facts, son, you're not good looking,
Speaker 10: you're fat. You know very well yourself that some people
Speaker 10: think you're funny.
Speaker 8: Please, Mama, Even as a little boy, nobody liked you,
Speaker 8: and except for me, nobody's loved you. And you haven't
Speaker 8: any money and women want money, and don't you forget it?
Speaker 8: Why you barely make enough of a salary to keep
Speaker 8: a good looking hussy and.
Speaker 1: Stockings that I don't after paying your hospital bills?
Speaker 9: Son, can we just talk? Why do you have to argue?
Speaker 2: And when she says some people think you're funny, I'm
Speaker 2: just like, oh, you mean gay? Okay.
Speaker 3: It was a code, that's what they had to do.
Speaker 3: The relationship there empathized with them. But again because right
Speaker 3: at the beginning he's the strangler. That's why I said
Speaker 3: if there was some ambiguity as so whether or not
Speaker 3: it really was him, would have made it I think
Speaker 3: a more interesting film.
Speaker 2: Especially that he passes the lie detector no problem, has
Speaker 2: no problem answering all the cops questions. It kind of
Speaker 2: reminded me of Ed Norton in Primal Fear, where you
Speaker 2: get convinced through the whole thing that he's this innocent
Speaker 2: victim and then find out he's this criminal mastermind towards
Speaker 2: the end of the film.
Speaker 5: Isn't that kind of interesting too? In nineteen sixty four
Speaker 5: to present a lie detector test that and to show
Speaker 5: the audience that, yeah, you can beat a lie detector
Speaker 5: test if you have no motions, no guilt or whatever. Again,
Speaker 5: because it's twenty twenty five, we've seen so much just
Speaker 5: via our television, come into our living room, during our lifetimes.
Speaker 5: We know that there are sociopaths and psychopaths out there
Speaker 5: who have absolutely no feeling for what their actions.
Speaker 3: Do to other people. Boy do we know that? So
Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 5: I thought maybe some people in the audience at that
Speaker 5: point in time in nineteen sixty four would actually be
Speaker 5: confused by that, because again on TV, they never showed
Speaker 5: anything like that that. I remember light detective tests. By
Speaker 5: the time I was watching all those detective shows in
Speaker 5: the seventies. What was the point of using a lie
Speaker 5: detector because it wasn't admissible in court, so they.
Speaker 3: Rarely did it, but if they were able to do it,
Speaker 3: of course, that reminded me, speaking of TV cop shows
Speaker 3: in the seventies of Arthur Dietrich on Barney Miller when
Speaker 3: he was given the lie detector test that I was like.
Speaker 11: Your real name is Arthur P. Dietrick and the P
Speaker 11: stands for I was never told where we were more
Speaker 11: in sergeantsy sorry to remember it. It was long long ago,
Speaker 11: the galaxy, far far away. On a kidding, I know
Speaker 11: you are, Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 2: We always said on our show that he was an alien.
Speaker 3: So I mean, we know he was at the end
Speaker 3: of the future.
Speaker 2: Oh that's for sure. Yeah, you're the Arthur D.
Speaker 5: Prick Richard Libertini. You people are very lucky.
Speaker 7: Well, young man, I'd like to get a base reading here.
Speaker 7: Could you say something, just say anything. The first thing
Speaker 7: that comes to mind, I killed a bunch of people.
Speaker 3: One at the beginning, when he's first questioned by the
Speaker 3: police and he says, we don't yet know about his
Speaker 3: home life, and says, my mother is an invalid. And
Speaker 3: then when we see him in his home when he
Speaker 3: goes home, you just expect she's going to be there,
Speaker 3: and then suddenly, wait, no, she calls, how come you're
Speaker 3: not visiting me in the hospital. That allows us to
Speaker 3: realize he's a good liar because later he says, I
Speaker 3: never said I lived with her. I just said she's
Speaker 3: an invalid.
Speaker 5: He does make it seem because he says, I don't
Speaker 5: go out my wife or my mother is an invalid,
Speaker 5: So he makes you think that she lives with him.
Speaker 3: And do you have an alibi? It seemed to imply
Speaker 3: my mother is an invalid. She thinks that I was
Speaker 3: all so she guess to that, but obviously she couldn't,
Speaker 3: so that that was good giving. This is a very
Speaker 3: clever guy.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting. So you say that your mother is
Speaker 2: an invalid, so he eventually kills his mother's nurse, like
Speaker 2: we were saying again a tie into the DeSalvo case
Speaker 2: with or the Boston Strangler case, I should say, with
Speaker 2: killing of a nurse. There are a lot of nurses
Speaker 2: that were killed in Boston or worked at the hospitals.
Speaker 2: Doesn't kill her with a stocking this time, which was
Speaker 2: also the Boston Strangler's weapon of choice for quite a
Speaker 2: few of his victims. So blending fact of the fiction
Speaker 2: a little bit here with this a lot of fiction
Speaker 2: or just a few knots to fact. But I love
Speaker 2: how the doll. She happens to have a doll this nurse,
Speaker 2: and it is one of these dolls that says mama.
Speaker 2: So when he hears the mama come out of the
Speaker 2: doll's mouth, it really triggers him and he throws this
Speaker 2: thing against the wall. Did you notice how much dust
Speaker 2: these guys put on this baby doll when they're dusting
Speaker 2: for prints. It looks like Tony Montana just had an
Speaker 2: accident of it was crazy.
Speaker 3: That might explain a lot about those cops there it
Speaker 3: just seemed, you know what a wonderful coincident and said,
Speaker 3: because he destroys his doll and they get thinking, hey,
Speaker 3: maybe this guy's got a doll fetish. Actually, Ottaw and Eye,
Speaker 3: we had to go back to the beginning of the
Speaker 3: film because we thought that when he was peeling off
Speaker 3: the stockings and underclothing of the little doll, he was
Speaker 3: leaving them at the scene of the crime. But then no,
Speaker 3: he was doing that in his home and then putting
Speaker 3: the naked dolls in a drawer in the dust drawer there, Yeah,
Speaker 3: which made it even more far fetch about why would
Speaker 3: they think this guy he threw this doll real hard
Speaker 3: and maybe he's again he's got a doll fetish.
Speaker 5: Exactly, because it's not like they had found dolls at
Speaker 5: the other sites.
Speaker 2: That he brings his own dolls to these crimes is
Speaker 2: pretty interesting, and it almost seems like the excuse is
Speaker 2: when he gets a doll, then a murderer happens because
Speaker 2: he does the ring toss at the beginning. I guess
Speaker 2: there's not a tie directly between that. There definitely is
Speaker 2: when the who is a Barbara the other blonde that
Speaker 2: works at the Ring toss game. She ends up giving
Speaker 2: him a doll and really is cutting close to home
Speaker 2: with some of the things that she's saying, and he
Speaker 2: gets pretty upset and it's okay, now I've got this doll.
Speaker 2: I guess I can follow this girl home and kill her. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I felt bad for her. I liked her as a character.
Speaker 3: She had a lot of moxie.
Speaker 2: She did have moxie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Victor Boro hates spunk, or I should say Leo
Speaker 5: Kroll hates spunk?
Speaker 12: You got spunk?
Speaker 3: Is there a Freudian element of that ring toss too?
Speaker 3: I wonderful?
Speaker 2: Oh, I so was thinking that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we never actually see him successfully tossed the ring.
Speaker 3: I would have liked to put Victor to the test there,
Speaker 3: let's see he actually do that.
Speaker 2: I think we see it at least an insert shot
Speaker 2: with the first time he's.
Speaker 3: Still yeah, But we don't see him flinging it.
Speaker 2: No, you never see a medium shot with both his
Speaker 2: hand and the ring that the landing over one of
Speaker 2: those pegs.
Speaker 5: I felt cheated. You two are reprobates. I grew up
Speaker 5: with a Disney sort of mind. I don't think of
Speaker 5: these things.
Speaker 3: I was wondering, is who was just being made for
Speaker 3: did it appear and drive in? Because on the one hand,
Speaker 3: the victims are all in their lingerie when they're killed,
Speaker 3: so there's a little cheesecake element, but it's not. There's
Speaker 3: no nudity. Even when the last one is killed coming
Speaker 3: out of the shower, you don't see anything, and I
Speaker 3: guess you wouldn't have in those early years there. But
Speaker 3: who again, who's the audience for this? Well's to see
Speaker 3: this movie other than us? Victor Bono completist Ellen Ellen
Speaker 3: Krby completed this.
Speaker 2: Perhaps I don't want to sound the conspiracy theorist, but
Speaker 2: I'm wondering. I guess that this was running into some
Speaker 2: censorship problems, and I'm wondering if it's because the studio
Speaker 2: was such a small independent studio versus the last movie
Speaker 2: we watched was that Warner Brothers. So Warner Brothers, I imagine,
Speaker 2: could get away with some more things than a small place.
Speaker 2: What is this allied artist and something like that. Probably
Speaker 2: they were like, no, you can't do that, can't have this.
Speaker 2: And going back to that del Vall commentary again, he
Speaker 2: kept saying that it was Buono that was insisting that
Speaker 2: there'd be no nudity in this film, and I'm just like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's correct at all. The may had
Speaker 2: butcher on, I'll tell you that if your main star
Speaker 2: objects to nudity, which I don't believe he did, but
Speaker 2: if he had, you just shoot insert shots. Okay, here's
Speaker 2: one for you, Victor, and now all right, we'll see
Speaker 2: you later, and then you shoot it again with less
Speaker 2: clothes on and do it with a body devil. There's
Speaker 2: definitely what we've seen a lot of actresses have sex
Speaker 2: scenes that they weren't a part of whatsoever.
Speaker 3: And again it starts out with the first victim taking
Speaker 3: her clothes off and getting down to broad panties what
Speaker 3: have you, and hate you to think, oh, here we go.
Speaker 3: It's starting off with what's gonna what are we gonna
Speaker 3: see later? And I said, no, but all you're going
Speaker 3: to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is very team of super super team when
Speaker 2: it comes to this, the murders are team to Speaking
Speaker 2: of Hitchcock again, think about the strangling scene and frenzy
Speaker 2: and just how long that goes on for and how
Speaker 2: disturbing the victim looks afterwards. It's so sanitized this whole movie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't see the raincoat crowd getting involved in this
Speaker 2: one at all is Yeah, I probably see more in
Speaker 2: commercials these days.
Speaker 5: But once you also agree, like you mentioned Frenzy, that's
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy two, so that's eight years later. I always
Speaker 5: note to my classes around the time that the MPAA
Speaker 5: instituted the letter codes and stuff, I think you saw
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff like really quickly, Like it ramped
Speaker 5: up very quickly in terms of what they showed, not
Speaker 5: like it was a gradual moving into showing newly here,
Speaker 5: showing a little more violence here. When they got that
Speaker 5: green flag, they just I think it was quite a list.
Speaker 5: Like we say, this is eight years before. Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: it's not graphic, it's not it plays everything safe, but
Speaker 5: it's creepy.
Speaker 3: It is disturbed, and I think a lot of it
Speaker 3: has to do with almost acting. You get a census
Speaker 3: is a tortured soul. It's you get the sense that
Speaker 3: he could have been different, it wasn't inevitable. And of
Speaker 3: course when you see his mother again, guys, you got
Speaker 3: a lot of issues. That's why I mentioned earlier. It
Speaker 3: stays with you. I've seen a lot of movies or
Speaker 3: after its completely forget the blood, remember anything about the
Speaker 3: plot that one. It's been two weeks or so since
Speaker 3: we've seen and I didn't need to rewatch it. I
Speaker 3: think I pretty much remember, at least remember a lot
Speaker 3: of milk drinking.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm trying to remember in nineteen sixty four, I
Speaker 2: want to say, like Blood Feast was out around the
Speaker 2: same time, maybe Faster pussy Cat was around the same time.
Speaker 2: I know things like Eyes without a Face, Peeping Tom,
Speaker 2: like those that already come out, But of course they
Speaker 2: are foreign films. They live by different rules and American films.
Speaker 2: But it feels like this. It just feels television most
Speaker 2: of the time. As far as just the level of tillation.
Speaker 2: I think even about like John Gavin or Janet Lee
Speaker 2: in Psycho and It's okay. Her with her bra on
Speaker 2: is more tutilating to me than these ladies who were
Speaker 2: taking off their clothes. I don't know. And you mentioned
Speaker 2: who killed Teddy Bear, like you said that's a sleazy film.
Speaker 2: I feel like that one was far more exploitative than this.
Speaker 2: This feels so sanitized, even though we have him murdering
Speaker 2: think multiple women.
Speaker 3: We didn't see the first seven, so that might have
Speaker 3: been really bad. But when you mentioned Peepee Tom. It's
Speaker 3: a good point because that is that's another very disturbing
Speaker 3: film where he sympathized with his murderer, particularly once you
Speaker 3: learned what had been done to him by his father,
Speaker 3: and the same relationship where you see him seemingly reaching
Speaker 3: out and at least somewhat having a chance to have
Speaker 3: an actual interaction with the member of the opposite sex.
Speaker 3: So those brief scenes when you know the strangler is
Speaker 3: at the ring toss and we as the audience, know
Speaker 3: he's attracted to the young woman, but he doesn't want
Speaker 3: her to know, and he that's really very interesting.
Speaker 2: When he goes from zero to sixty with her so fast.
Speaker 2: It's just oh, so, well, yeah, my mom's dead, so
Speaker 2: I wanted to marry you. Whoa, hey, we haven't even
Speaker 2: gone out one date here, Leo. Like cool your jets,
Speaker 2: And I do like the framing of some of those
Speaker 2: shots where there's the lattice work and they're looking at
Speaker 2: each other through the lattice work and it's basically like, hey, Leo,
Speaker 2: this is forbidden fruit. You're never going to be able
Speaker 2: to cross this divide here.
Speaker 3: And when he wanted to give her his mother's ring,
Speaker 3: ohing what he had done to his mother and his
Speaker 3: mother's nurse.
Speaker 5: It's that is creepy, the whole part of you feeling
Speaker 5: bad for him, even though you know right away that
Speaker 5: he's a murderer. So that's tough enough to pull off
Speaker 5: as it is, but I felt so bad from them, thinking,
Speaker 5: come on, dude, before, when your mother was harping on you,
Speaker 5: you would come to this place for a moment of
Speaker 5: peace or try to capture a moment of real life
Speaker 5: with a woman and someone who would be nice you.
Speaker 5: She was being nice you just because you were a customer.
Speaker 5: Maybe she thought, oh, you're really good at this and
Speaker 5: thought that was somewhat interesting.
Speaker 3: But then, like you said, Mike, I almost had a
Speaker 3: problem with that because.
Speaker 5: It seems so stupid that he didn't seem that detached.
Speaker 5: Obviously he was a psychopath, but that doesn't mean that
Speaker 5: you're you're clueless and he just you're right you talk
Speaker 5: about you said it perfectly. He went from like zero
Speaker 5: to sixty, and it was come on, that's no. How
Speaker 5: could you think she's gonna say, oh, yes, let's get married.
Speaker 3: I was waiting for you to ask when she does
Speaker 3: turn him down, it's interesting too. How quickly he then
Speaker 3: goes to the threatening even beyond the stalk or okay,
Speaker 3: now your days are numbered effected. So again it shows
Speaker 3: the acting range that Bono had.
Speaker 2: I wanted to go back to that lie detector scene
Speaker 2: one more time, just because I love the way that
Speaker 2: is shot, and I really like the whole thing of
Speaker 2: him being behind I guess it's one way glass and
Speaker 2: the two cops are outside talking about him while he's
Speaker 2: framed between them, and you've got the lamp kind of
Speaker 2: connecting their heads almost, that whole scene of him there
Speaker 2: with this kind of little grin on his face while
Speaker 2: the two cops are outside just talking about what it
Speaker 2: creep this guy is, and just that he has no
Speaker 2: idea that they're talking about them, but I feel like
Speaker 2: he has a feeling he knows they're watching, kind of
Speaker 2: like Norman at the end of Psycho, they're always watching.
Speaker 3: That seems plausible. And of course he's been interrogated before too.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, and he's wonderfully quietly contemptuous of them.
Speaker 5: He's like poking them like I know it, you know it,
Speaker 5: but you can't do foup it oval.
Speaker 2: And that's the best part of this movie. For me,
Speaker 2: it is like when he is just kind of lording
Speaker 2: it over them, Hey, you guys can't catch me at all.
Speaker 2: I am just completely full of proof. I never leave
Speaker 2: any proof at these crime scenes. And then, of course,
Speaker 2: like you said, it's the doll that becomes is undoing
Speaker 2: and kind of to jump to the end real quick
Speaker 2: and we can come back a little bit later. But
Speaker 2: when the girls says, oh, there's this real creep here
Speaker 2: earlier and he was asking about this and talking about that,
Speaker 2: and she's telling that to one of the detectives, I
Speaker 2: was just like, oh, he's not gonna believe her now,
Speaker 2: because that seems to be the thing with so many
Speaker 2: movies where it's somebody's saying something, especially a woman, and
Speaker 2: they're just like, okay, yeah, that's interesting, so all right,
Speaker 2: i'll see you later. But this guy actually acts on it,
Speaker 2: which is pretty remarkable.
Speaker 5: And one hand, she's not real concern. Then she is
Speaker 5: real concerned, and she's just gonna leave town. But if
Speaker 5: you didn't want to leave town, whatever the case is,
Speaker 5: why would you leave her at all at that point
Speaker 5: if you're that convinced that this guy, which by that time,
Speaker 5: because doesn't he give that cop a description saying he's
Speaker 5: this big guy, so they know it's him, the illustrator.
Speaker 2: He should get an a raise in all the prize
Speaker 2: money from the drawing of Victor Bono that he does.
Speaker 2: It's a remarkable likeness.
Speaker 3: So, like you said, Mike, yeah, so we'll just drop
Speaker 3: you off.
Speaker 5: And because at first she doesn't even agree to the
Speaker 5: lighter or do they sneak dead on her, I don't
Speaker 5: read it.
Speaker 2: They drop it off in the apartment and then she
Speaker 2: looks at it and she's like, I don't know what
Speaker 2: this is, then throws it into the suitcase, then covers
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 5: And yet, as you said, you could still hear everything, not.
Speaker 2: When it's covered up, but before that, you could hear anything.
Speaker 2: Her tiptoeing across the floor, a mouse farts, it's all
Speaker 2: being picked up on there. But you throw a couple
Speaker 2: pairs of pants over it or whatever, and nobody's going
Speaker 2: to ever hear it again.
Speaker 5: When I said, he was being quietly contemptuous, and he's acting, yeah,
Speaker 5: you're not going to catch me. I never leave any
Speaker 5: clues or anything behind. And I didn't know of really
Speaker 5: much of anything about the Boston strangler case before.
Speaker 3: This, so I read a little bit about that.
Speaker 5: And again, because it's made in nineteen sixty four, obviously
Speaker 5: they're not going to do this.
Speaker 3: But he doesn't sexually assault any of them.
Speaker 5: They don't even intimate that he does.
Speaker 2: Oh that Bono does.
Speaker 3: Right, that Bono does.
Speaker 5: I'm saying, And whereas we know the Boston strangler murders,
Speaker 5: those women were sexually assaulted. That's another Obviously, again, whether
Speaker 5: it was for the time that the movie was made,
Speaker 5: but obviously that you're going to leave less clues behind
Speaker 5: because even if there was no DNA evidence back then
Speaker 5: that you could use site they didn't know how to
Speaker 5: to recognize those things. Then at least you're still doing
Speaker 5: last And all he does he comes up usually behind
Speaker 5: these women, and by the time they see him, it's
Speaker 5: too late. So all he has to do is just
Speaker 5: strangle them and that's it. So he doesn't really have
Speaker 5: to Now, they never tell you how he's able to
Speaker 5: get in all of these apartments without he Again, he
Speaker 5: doesn't look like Nuriev, so I don't know how did
Speaker 5: he does he? Is he a professional locksmith or how
Speaker 5: is he doing that? That part They never I don't
Speaker 5: think they ever really tell you.
Speaker 3: That well, you think they might hear him creeping up
Speaker 3: on him too, he was.
Speaker 5: I would assume in an old apartment, you might hear
Speaker 5: when a three hundred pound guy is slowly come making
Speaker 5: his way towards.
Speaker 3: You, probably panting. We saw him sweat. But getting back
Speaker 3: to the Boston strangler case, so this movie was made
Speaker 3: before there was anyone arrested. It came out and around
Speaker 3: the time Dissolvo was arrested, and there's still ambiguities about that,
Speaker 3: but I wonder if that is part of the exploitation.
Speaker 3: We know there's this strangler going around, doesn't say it's
Speaker 3: in Boston, but people would have been aware. And let's
Speaker 3: get this movie out fast, and since nobody knows who's
Speaker 3: doing it, we'll just create this mother obsessed, doll obsessed
Speaker 3: fetish guy. And it reminded me is I think Mike
Speaker 3: knows very well. There were a lot of similar movies
Speaker 3: made before the Mansons were arrested. But we know these
Speaker 3: horrible crimes happened, we don't know who did it, So
Speaker 3: let's get some movies out there fast to capitalize on
Speaker 3: us ultimably other crimes too of such nature. Wasn't the
Speaker 3: TV movie for Kojak.
Speaker 5: The pilot film for Kojak wasn't that kind of a
Speaker 5: reference to the Manson murder. I think it was called
Speaker 5: the I think it was called The Marcus Nelson Murders.
Speaker 5: It was a made for TV movie, came out like
Speaker 5: in seventy four, seventy three or seventy four. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: it was essentially a pilot because it had Tedy Savalles
Speaker 5: in it, and it's pretty much I don't know if
Speaker 5: he goes by the name of Kojak or not, but
Speaker 5: it's absolutely the same character for all intents and purposes.
Speaker 5: And that was, Yeah, that was if I remember correctly,
Speaker 5: they walk in on this very grisly murder and it
Speaker 5: makes you think of the Manson stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, the Marcus Nelson Murderers. Kojak TV pilot from March eighth,
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three, So you're on the money.
Speaker 3: My front.
Speaker 2: Telly Savalas was Lieutenant THEO Kojack. I did not know
Speaker 2: his first name was his brother in that one. Oh,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. He seemed to always get his
Speaker 2: brother and stuff Stavros.
Speaker 5: If you watched the joh you knew his name was
Speaker 5: THEO because Dan Fraser, who portrayed the Captain Frank. I
Speaker 5: can't remember what Frank's last name was, but he always
Speaker 5: called them THEO, so that's how you knew his first name.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I remember that movie, and yeah, that's a
Speaker 5: good point, Tim. I never even really thought of it.
Speaker 5: But that's very much like Manson Manson.
Speaker 3: Delise Winder of opportunity to get these movies in the theater,
Speaker 3: at the drive ins or wherever before anybody really knows
Speaker 3: who the actual murder is her were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of ruined it because I think DiSalvo
Speaker 2: confessed in January of sixty four, and then this came out,
Speaker 2: I want to say, April first, nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder that had the box office oull you
Speaker 3: want to exploit that fear and it's peak interest.
Speaker 5: But then at the other hand, did they purposely because again,
Speaker 5: from what I read about the Strangler Boston Strangler murders,
Speaker 5: that's different from this. Now again, like you say, we
Speaker 5: only see what four murders or three murders.
Speaker 2: Three murders and then his mother.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we see three murders.
Speaker 5: The nurse was an outlier, but the other two are
Speaker 5: young women and you, and I believe they make you
Speaker 5: think when they're when the cops are talking early on,
Speaker 5: that it's all young women, whereas apparently the Strangler victims,
Speaker 5: the real Boston Strangler victims, were not all young women.
Speaker 5: They were women of all ages, going from twenties to eighties.
Speaker 5: I believe there was one that was even eighty.
Speaker 2: Something, all ages. And then also that he want to
Speaker 2: say at least one of his victims was black, which
Speaker 2: was very interesting because normally you kill within your own race.
Speaker 5: And obviously he didn't. He certainly didn't the victor or
Speaker 5: Leo Kroll in this movie as Tim or you. Someone
Speaker 5: mentioned earlier he worked with an African American woman and
Speaker 5: he didn't hurt her, and he obviously must have seen
Speaker 5: her on a daily basis.
Speaker 3: He probably knew enough, and he'll mess with her. She'll
Speaker 3: take a headpin and stick. Yeah, she's tough. He's like
Speaker 3: coffee here, she.
Speaker 2: Had those razor blades in her hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: King George's girl found that out very quickly.
Speaker 3: I don't like coffee, but I'd like coffee. She'll cream you.
Speaker 3: Imagining that mother obsessed killers. I emailed the two of
Speaker 3: you earlier as just reminded of and No Way to
Speaker 3: Treat a Lady from nineteen sixty eight, which you've got
Speaker 3: Rod Steiger, even by his standards, overacting about somebody who
Speaker 3: mother obsessed and killing older women, and then each time
Speaker 3: he puts on an increasingly bad accent. But that George
Speaker 3: Seagull is Rod Steiger doing a bad accent. It's hard
Speaker 3: to believe. I know you got. But then George Siegel,
Speaker 3: you see he's being handpacked by his mother and he's
Speaker 3: the one going after this guy. So there's some odd
Speaker 3: connections between the Strangler and No Way to Treat a Lada.
Speaker 3: I'm sure what's it, ATel, but I.
Speaker 2: Think sixty eight was when the Tony Curtis Boston Strangler
Speaker 2: movie came out, so they're still making obviously you mentioned earlier.
Speaker 2: Wasn't there a more recent one? I think the latest
Speaker 2: one was twenty twenty three, so they're still beating that horse.
Speaker 5: Well, I would just like to just a moment go
Speaker 5: off on a small tangent, and that is Mike expressed
Speaker 5: to us via the email that he might not be
Speaker 5: the biggest Rod Steiger fan in the world. And it
Speaker 5: struck me because when I was a younger, movie fan.
Speaker 5: I was very reluctant to say anything negative about someone
Speaker 5: who was supposed to be heralded. Is this great artist
Speaker 5: of whatever, whether they were a director or writer, actor
Speaker 5: or whatever. And then of course as I get older,
Speaker 5: I certainly don't. I'm not encumbered by that fear anything.
Speaker 3: But it's interesting.
Speaker 5: I've never been crazy about Stuger either, but I never
Speaker 5: really put a finger on and of course what it
Speaker 5: is he is. He's from that Marlon Brando James Dean,
Speaker 5: that tortured actor mold where every move they make it's
Speaker 5: just feels like they're like they're cutting their wrists open
Speaker 5: and bleeding out to get this performance. And whether you
Speaker 5: want to call it scenery chewing or deep method, it
Speaker 5: does take you out of stuff a little bit. You
Speaker 5: didn't see that from Victor here. It was very natural
Speaker 5: and very sensitive and it works very well well.
Speaker 3: To be fair to Rod Steiger, if you're talking about
Speaker 3: creepy performances in The Loved One, what is it mister
Speaker 3: joyboy with his mother? That is one of the most
Speaker 3: scenes in movie history. I would say I haven't seen
Speaker 3: The Loved One in years. I gotta see that movie again.
Speaker 3: Be you don't eat after you see that scene or
Speaker 3: why to Eat, it's a good appetite suppressort.
Speaker 2: I'll say that there are performances of his that I like.
Speaker 2: I remember liking him as Reb Saunders and The Chosen
Speaker 2: and the Pawn Broke or I don't remember that being
Speaker 2: too shabby either, But yeah, you get some of these
Speaker 2: performances where I talked about running the Ero the same
Speaker 2: Fuller film and just the with Irish Southern accent that
Speaker 2: he's doing in that one, or God, I love him
Speaker 2: and the Specialist, the Celester stallone film where he's like.
Speaker 13: The Chief of Police twenty is going to work with
Speaker 13: us on this problem, you know. I mean he was
Speaker 13: a former employee of the Say and he is an
Speaker 13: explosive sport and I think he can be a big out.
Speaker 2: Or the Sixth Day where he's like it's another world
Speaker 2: out there, just scream into high oven. I'm like, yes,
Speaker 2: this is fantastic. So he was great scenery chewing.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, you're enjoying him, I
Speaker 3: think for the wrong read.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's very much more ironic. Yeah, bring him out,
Speaker 2: let's see him go crazy. This will be great.
Speaker 3: I certainly like in the heat of the night. But
Speaker 3: getting back to James B. See King, that was great
Speaker 3: to see him. It had to be his earliest role
Speaker 3: that I would presume. I think it was his first
Speaker 3: credited role. Right, I was expecting to have a pipe
Speaker 3: in his mouth.
Speaker 2: He's one of the few people that isn't smoking in
Speaker 2: this movie. So many people are lighting up, especially Bluono
Speaker 2: in the lab, in the hospital, Bono in the police department.
Speaker 2: Of course all the cops are smoking. But yeah, it
Speaker 2: was remarkable to see just how much they were smoking
Speaker 2: every place.
Speaker 3: I get anything perfectly plausible for those days. I'm sure
Speaker 3: they were okay in the lab and even with highly
Speaker 3: flammable chemicals around, and going in to see how the
Speaker 3: mother is in her bed smoking right there.
Speaker 5: Bono was smoking a cigarette when he couldn't get his
Speaker 5: hands on nylons to play with or a doll.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit of an oral fixation, exactly. I've
Speaker 2: praised the whole thing with the eyeball at the beginning,
Speaker 2: the way that they frame up him during the confession.
Speaker 2: I also like that great cut when he's about to
Speaker 2: throw that box at his mother's photo in the in
Speaker 2: her bedroom when he finds out that he's killed her successfully,
Speaker 2: and they cut from that from the picture to a
Speaker 2: dart blowing up a balloon and we're back at the arcade.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought that was really nice as a way to transition.
Speaker 3: I wondered when he destroyed his mother's room, it looked
Speaker 3: like Charles Foster Kane Stroy was the wife's room. If
Speaker 3: that was deliberate or just it was a homage to
Speaker 3: that film or just coincidental. The way he moved and
Speaker 3: was knocking things around it looked very Caine like.
Speaker 5: It's an excellent point. There's another person, Victor Buono could
Speaker 5: have played Orson Wells. They certainly had the rat pack
Speaker 5: connection in common.
Speaker 2: For what I understand, he actually was playing Falstaff in
Speaker 2: some of these older characters when he was doing theater
Speaker 2: before they said hey, come on to Hollywood things. He
Speaker 2: was a great actor, and I just don't think that
Speaker 2: he was ever really given any chance. And of course
Speaker 2: we've talked about and we'll talk again in two weeks
Speaker 2: when we discussed Who's Mind Me the Mint? But I'm
Speaker 2: excited to see some more comedy from him because he
Speaker 2: was such a great comedic actor. He had wonderful timing.
Speaker 2: He was such a delight to see.
Speaker 3: As we talked last time, those two odd couple episodes
Speaker 3: he's in, and of course they it's not only his
Speaker 3: timing great, he just holds the screen as it were. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when you do wonder what his Shakespearean performances would have
Speaker 3: been like, because as you say, I think he was
Speaker 3: discovered doing a San Diego San Diego is that the
Speaker 3: Globe Theater? Yeah, and that's how he got into the industry.
Speaker 3: So some people saw him and saw this guy, great actor.
Speaker 3: But it's just the nature of the business, the limited
Speaker 3: number of roles. But we've been saying there potentially were
Speaker 3: roles that he could have played that even if they
Speaker 3: were murderers creepy people, would have been a higher level.
Speaker 5: He could have gotten in and become a fixture in
Speaker 5: that whole genre, like a Christopher Lee or a Vincent
Speaker 5: Price or someone like that. As far as this comic,
Speaker 5: and I just I have to make mention of it
Speaker 5: because my life, whether I wanted it to be or not,
Speaker 5: has been ensnarled with the rat Pack. But he does these,
Speaker 5: he does He does four for Texas and Robin and
Speaker 5: the Seven Hoods with Franken Dean both and then it.
Speaker 3: Was I found it interesting in this picture. The woman
Speaker 3: who plays Tally her name, she's got like a doesn't
Speaker 3: she have a male name?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Davey Davison is her name. When Tim and I
Speaker 5: were watching rewatching, I was rewatching it, he was watching
Speaker 5: it for the first time. But I'm like, why do
Speaker 5: I know that girl?
Speaker 3: Why do I know that girl? And then I looked
Speaker 3: it up on IMDb.
Speaker 5: She was in one of the worst rat Pack movies,
Speaker 5: which I know seems redundant, but she was in a
Speaker 5: movie called Marriage on the Rocks in nineteen sixty seven
Speaker 5: that was just Frank and Dean and Deborah Carr and
Speaker 5: she plays Nancy Sinatra, who is playing Frank's daughter. In
Speaker 5: the movie, she plays Nancy Sinatra's girlfriend who is interested
Speaker 5: in Nancy Sinatra's father, French.
Speaker 2: Your dad is Mike Cardio.
Speaker 5: Okay, really it's a horrible movie, but it just made
Speaker 5: me think, oh, that's funny. Too bad Victor wasn't in
Speaker 5: that one too, because we would have had a trifecta
Speaker 5: for him with the Pack, but they apparently liked him.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the rat pe, but no better than I.
Speaker 3: But I think he's in two Matt Helm films right now.
Speaker 3: He is in quite a connection there. Yes, you're right,
Speaker 3: he is in at least one, maybe two Matt Helm film. Well,
Speaker 3: that's funny. He's a yellow phase. If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 3: I think you're right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the character's name is to because I'm teaching this
Speaker 5: course right now in Sammy Davis Junior. And people see
Speaker 5: these old videos now of their antics on stage at
Speaker 5: the Sands during the height of the rat pack era,
Speaker 5: and they make all these jokes, and of course people
Speaker 5: were offended by. They used to make the constant joke
Speaker 5: where Dean would pick Sammy up and he'd say, I'd
Speaker 5: like to thank the NAACP for this award. All these
Speaker 5: things that people don't like now. But of course they
Speaker 5: also used to allude to a lot of gay humor,
Speaker 5: knocking out gay people. But what's really fascinating is everything
Speaker 5: you read talks about how Dean Martin befriended Montgomery cliff
Speaker 5: on that movie that that they made with with.
Speaker 3: Brando Brando was in. It was Brando Clift and Dean Martin.
Speaker 3: It was the war picture.
Speaker 5: Who's I'm blanking on the name of it now, But
Speaker 5: they all said that he befriended Montgomery Cliff and was.
Speaker 3: Like really great to him.
Speaker 5: They've said the same thing about how much Sinatra loved
Speaker 5: working with who's the guy in Manchurian Care candidate Lawrence Harvey,
Speaker 5: Lawrence Harvey, Lawrence Harvey. And of course Dean loved apparently
Speaker 5: loved Victor Buono. He loved dom dela There were just
Speaker 5: a lot of.
Speaker 2: People, Wait, Dom Delaize is gay.
Speaker 5: No, I didn't say that. All right, never mind, I
Speaker 5: didn't say that. He came across that the way. That's
Speaker 5: let's say that.
Speaker 3: There were other.
Speaker 5: People that that didn't seen that, Paul Wynn and Charles
Speaker 5: Nelson Riley, who were both on his show A lot
Speaker 5: the wait.
Speaker 2: Wait, Charles Nelson Riley was gay?
Speaker 5: Come on here.
Speaker 2: Next thing you're gonna tell me is that Liberaci was gay.
Speaker 5: But about Rip Taylor, No, wait a minute, Liberati wasn't gay.
Speaker 5: He was a matinee idol for women in the fifties.
Speaker 2: They like, yeah, there was a lawsuit all about that.
Speaker 2: I don't think he would help.
Speaker 3: He was absolutely who lived with his mother probably, and
Speaker 3: he loved his brother George. I wish his brother George
Speaker 3: were here right now.
Speaker 2: It took me so long to figure out that joke.
Speaker 2: When bugs Buddy says that when he sits down at
Speaker 2: the piano, I'm like, what what is this?
Speaker 1: I wish my brother George was here.
Speaker 3: At the very end when he gets shot out the window.
Speaker 3: We don't find out whether he actually killed his victims.
Speaker 3: Why when I went back to see that, it's left open.
Speaker 3: Because he does move so quickly when he strangles him,
Speaker 3: you would think we'd see her. Oh, thank goodness, she
Speaker 3: came just in time. Yeah, the move.
Speaker 2: This movie ends so darn quickly, it just wraps up.
Speaker 2: I was almost hoping for Simon Oakland to show up
Speaker 2: and explain this case a little bit more too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought it was odd that it ended so abruptly.
Speaker 5: It really made no sense. It was like, like Tim said,
Speaker 5: we were He and I looked at each other. Okay,
Speaker 5: is that it? You're just stopping it there? It seems
Speaker 5: to every guy's we're talking about how it's like a
Speaker 5: TV detective show. Let's get a little epilogue here, man, Yeah.
Speaker 2: There was no she should have rushed into one of
Speaker 2: the detective's arms. Yeah, because you see her him strangling her.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we don't get her a shot of her
Speaker 2: at all, and yeah, she could really be dead, And
Speaker 2: so I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 3: Well, I know how fast he moves when he strangles.
Speaker 3: You got to give him that much. But whether that
Speaker 3: was deliberate or whether it was just bad filmmaking, I
Speaker 3: don't know. But it's is that it. That's all, folks,
Speaker 3: nothing more to see here, Move along.
Speaker 2: It's funny. We talked last week about Feud and that
Speaker 2: whole Ryan Murphy's series. But I want to say that
Speaker 2: there was an homage to the Boston Strangler in one
Speaker 2: of those American Horror stories, because he did those right.
Speaker 2: Wasn't that where Ryan Murphy really made his bones? Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I want to say, and I watched part of
Speaker 2: the first season of American Horror Story, really liked the
Speaker 2: made character, the younger made version. And then I want
Speaker 2: to say, I watch first episode of maybe the second season,
Speaker 2: and what's that kid's name? He plays a creep. Really,
Speaker 2: he was one of the two Quicksilvers in the Marvel universe.
Speaker 2: I believe in the Fox Marvel universe. But I want
Speaker 2: to say that there was an opening where it was
Speaker 2: I want to say it was a bunch of nurses
Speaker 2: sitting around, So I was like, Okay, is this kind
Speaker 2: of mixing up the weeds of Ted Bundy and then
Speaker 2: the nurses of DeSalvo.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find more about that. Oh yeah, Richard Speck
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's disturbing just in general, how many of these
Speaker 3: mass murders we know of, and also that, as we've
Speaker 3: seen in recent years, Netflix and other places are just
Speaker 3: revisiting the lives and crimes of these very disturbing people.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's a reason for a remake of The Strangler.
Speaker 3: The guy who played Victor Buono in Feud, maybe this
Speaker 3: is an opening for him. If you loved him in Feud,
Speaker 3: you'll love him in The Strangler too.
Speaker 2: This time it's personal, get dominic progress back on the phone. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and to find out a little bit more because like
Speaker 2: you guys also looked into the Boston Strangler case a
Speaker 2: little bit more as well, and this whole thing of
Speaker 2: a lot of people saying that it wasn't really DeSalvo
Speaker 2: that was the murderer for me growing up, but it
Speaker 2: was always yes, we saw this case. Everything's good, but
Speaker 2: it feels like the more time goes on, it's becoming
Speaker 2: evident that he wasn't the murderer that or maybe there
Speaker 2: might have been two murderers, but they're not really sure.
Speaker 2: The whole thing of him switching from the older victims
Speaker 2: to the younger victims was a.
Speaker 3: Very weird move.
Speaker 2: And then some of the things that DeSalvo was actually
Speaker 2: up to seemed very similar to what the Boston strangler
Speaker 2: was doing. But there's all of this theorizing around, Oh no,
Speaker 2: it was actually the guy he was in lock up
Speaker 2: with who was giving him all this information. But then
Speaker 2: the cops are like, no, he was answering the questions,
Speaker 2: like immediately, there was no thinking about things, no recalling things.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know what to think. But it's
Speaker 2: a pretty fascinating case. And I can't believe it went
Speaker 2: on for over a year. Once they it was almost
Speaker 2: two years that he was terrorizing Boston. It must have
Speaker 2: just been just horrible for women in the city at
Speaker 2: that time, especially once they started to put these cases
Speaker 2: together and realize that there was a serial murderer on
Speaker 2: the loose.
Speaker 3: How long was Son of Sam? Was it just for
Speaker 3: that summer? That one summer? I think it was. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we've had sadly our fair share of such awful cases
Speaker 3: here in the city of Rochester and their cities where
Speaker 3: there's murderer, or maybe it was like the Hillside Stranglers
Speaker 3: where they were cousins. Or it's sad that I even
Speaker 3: know about.
Speaker 5: The Hillside Strangler was in LA but he was from Rochester, Chester, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: But we had God, I don't remember how old I was,
Speaker 5: but boy, talk about being in the news for years.
Speaker 5: There was a guy named Arthur Shawcross who killed I
Speaker 5: think probably close to twenty women.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 3: That was a terrible one too. And that's it now
Speaker 3: that I think of it. I don't know if they
Speaker 3: ever made.
Speaker 5: They usually Hollywood leaves no stone unturned, especially if it's
Speaker 5: got a lot of discussing things under it.
Speaker 3: They like to exploit it. But I don't know if
Speaker 3: they ever made a movie about about it.
Speaker 2: As soon as I started to type in the word
Speaker 2: art it's at Arthur Shawcross, I was like, oh God,
Speaker 2: you think I'm a serial killer group also known as
Speaker 2: the Genesee River Killer.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's why I say, sadly, we've got more than
Speaker 3: our fair share of such horrible cases. But also we
Speaker 3: learned and who killed Teddy Bear that the Juliette Prowse
Speaker 3: character was from Rochester.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good detective work on that. I like how you're like,
Speaker 2: she sounds like she's got a Rochester accent, and then
Speaker 2: sends me a screen grab of her going well back
Speaker 2: in Rochester.
Speaker 3: Well, some might say it's a South African accent, but
Speaker 3: we'll he could quibble over that.
Speaker 5: Just let me say that I've lived in Rochester my
Speaker 5: entire life, and I have never seen any woman that
Speaker 5: looked like Julia Prous because I would have remembered her.
Speaker 3: Boy, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Really thought she was from the UK. Apparently born in Mumbai, India.
Speaker 2: So just so you know, nationality American, British, Indian, and
Speaker 2: South African. But with the American it doesn't say in
Speaker 2: parenthesis Rochester.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess Strangler is a good middle ground between
Speaker 3: the two Aldrich films because all three of them are
Speaker 3: don't Gothic or if you want to describe a dark,
Speaker 3: disturbing films. And Otto and I agreed, we're glad that
Speaker 3: we're ending with who is Minding the Mint with another
Speaker 3: side of Victor Bono, the lighter side, if you will.
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Speaker 7: Hush Hush, Sweet Shart, don't tell anyone what happened in
Speaker 7: the summerhouse a good game.
Speaker 1: Hush hush, Sweet Sharlotte.
Speaker 2: Don't tell anyone how sharp the edge of terror can be.
Speaker 12: Hush hush, Sweet Charlotte. Don't tell anyone what's wrapped in
Speaker 12: that rug. Hush hush, Sweet Sharlett.
Speaker 4: Don't tell anyone what stands in the shadows at the
Speaker 4: top of the stairs.
Speaker 1: Hush hush, Sweet Charlotte. Charlotte, don't you cry. Hush hush,
Speaker 1: Sweet Charlotte.
Speaker 14: I love you till I die. Hush hush, Sweet Charlotte,
Speaker 14: Tilla die.
Speaker 2: That's right. We'll be back next week. What they look
Speaker 2: at Hush Hush, Sweet Charlotte. As Buono Palooza continues until then,
Speaker 2: I want to thank my co host for this month,
Speaker 2: Otto and Tim So Otto's keeping you business, sir.
Speaker 5: After I talked to you last week, I got my
Speaker 5: index and everything in for my baseball book, so that's
Speaker 5: all completed and that now I'm literally working on ideas
Speaker 5: as to what I'm gonna right next.
Speaker 2: Your subject is right here in front of your face,
Speaker 2: Victor Buono.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ganda, Ganda.
Speaker 5: As I've said to Tim all these years, there's just
Speaker 5: not enough information out there about Buono. His star was
Speaker 5: too brief, and there's not enough, as we've said many
Speaker 5: I'll say it every day, not enough respect.
Speaker 3: For these character actors.
Speaker 5: Like we've already said, this guy was very talented, and
Speaker 5: this was one of only two films that he got.
Speaker 3: A real starring role in, and neither of the films
Speaker 3: were so another went out there. We stumbled on Big
Speaker 3: Daddy or something like that.
Speaker 2: I think that's a missing film. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that exists anyplace.
Speaker 3: I would find it. There's you know, the promo board
Speaker 3: as it were, but almost like a parody see the
Speaker 3: alligators the chopping people in the swamps.
Speaker 5: I think you're right, Mike, though I think I read
Speaker 5: somewhere that that film is nowhere to be found now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Big Daddy from nineteen sixty nine where he played
Speaker 2: a Lincoln beau Regard, So I imagine it was probably
Speaker 2: really chewing up the scenery, which I'm here for. Man,
Speaker 2: give me anything more with Bono.
Speaker 5: But it had the wonderful Joan Blondell in it too,
Speaker 5: didn't it?
Speaker 2: And Tim, what about you? What have you been up
Speaker 2: to so last we met.
Speaker 3: I've just been dealing with the extreme heat and I'm
Speaker 3: sweating like the Strangler before he strangles someone. Five degrees
Speaker 3: here and it's a little rough, but actually I'm insconsin
Speaker 3: I air conditioned homes, so I can't really complain, just
Speaker 3: trying to beat the heat.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much guys for being on the show.
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