1 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,839 Speaker 1: And Hi, how are you welcome? Welcome, walk and all 2 00:00:26,839 --> 00:00:31,160 do the Big podcast. It is Thursday. Today is the 3 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:35,399 fourth day of September, year of Our Lord twenty twenty five. 4 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:40,200 My name is Tom Sullivan. And hell, it was not 5 00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:47,320 your normal political food fight in the capital today. RFK 6 00:00:47,759 --> 00:00:51,719 Junior was there and he went before. It was the 7 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:55,520 Senate Finance Committee, but they wanted to talk to him 8 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,759 about everything going on at Health and Human Services for 9 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,600 which he's in charge. And this is this is I 10 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:04,719 told you the other day. 11 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: This is. 12 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:12,719 Speaker 1: It's very confusing because you've got people doctors, a lot 13 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:18,439 of doctors that is, they're saying that that what Kennedy 14 00:01:18,519 --> 00:01:23,400 is doing is just dangerous to the health of Americans. 15 00:01:23,519 --> 00:01:27,719 He doesn't know what he's doing. He's a conspiracy kook. 16 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,719 He's not a doctor. And so you got all these 17 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,480 doctors that are saying we know what to do and 18 00:01:33,519 --> 00:01:37,239 he doesn't. And then you've got RFK Jr. That comes 19 00:01:37,239 --> 00:01:39,480 out and says, no, the people that have been in 20 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:44,920 charge of the health system in our country have politicized 21 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:50,840 it and have lied to the American people. So you 22 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,439 go back. CDC in vaccines were really kind of the 23 00:01:54,439 --> 00:01:57,319 focus of all of this today. Think about when the 24 00:01:57,319 --> 00:02:00,439 pandemic hit, I mean before the pandemic hit. Had you 25 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:03,560 ever I think I may have heard of the CDC 26 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,480 because they had kind of a weird name, but I 27 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,879 never interacted in any way with them. They weren't in 28 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,319 the news. But once the pandemic came along, all of 29 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,240 a sudden, the CDC was everything. And they came out 30 00:02:19,319 --> 00:02:23,039 with a COVID test early on, I mean very early, 31 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:28,000 and they spent these COVID test kits around all over 32 00:02:28,039 --> 00:02:30,319 the country, lots of I don't know how much they spent, 33 00:02:31,159 --> 00:02:34,360 and a couple of weeks into it, they went, oh, 34 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:38,599 never mind, they don't work. So they got off to 35 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,280 a bad start. And then they told us lots of 36 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:44,280 things that turned out not to be true. And I 37 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:47,120 still to this day, I will tell you, I look 38 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:52,439 at the COVID illness, the COVID virus. They're still out there. 39 00:02:53,159 --> 00:02:57,039 There are still people getting COVID. There's still a number 40 00:02:57,039 --> 00:03:01,639 of people suffering from long COVID. But I think the 41 00:03:01,719 --> 00:03:06,639 doctors are working diligently trying to figure out how this 42 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,680 virus works and how to put it away. But it 43 00:03:10,719 --> 00:03:14,360 hasn't gone away. And I don't think they really know 44 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,439 what to do. Now they've come up with some things 45 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,400 like pax slovid, So if you do come down with COVID, 46 00:03:22,759 --> 00:03:27,599 you take pax slovaed and it reduces the danger of 47 00:03:27,719 --> 00:03:33,919 it killing you. And there's lots of things that will 48 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,680 help if you get COVID. But I still think that 49 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,000 they are still in the woods trying to figure out 50 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,960 exactly how this thing works. And then the question comes 51 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,000 down to the vaccines. Do you get an annual vaccine 52 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:54,240 like you're supposed to, They recommend a flu shot. Then 53 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,000 you've got the schools where I mean when I was 54 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,159 a child, I remember my mother had to bring my 55 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:04,360 shot record over before they, you know, the start of 56 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,199 school this time of the year, the kids all have 57 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,680 to show their shot records or they won't be allowed 58 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:12,120 in school because they don't want a bunch of kids 59 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,080 in there that can have measles or whatever it might be. 60 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,279 So it's a lot and the bottom line out of 61 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:24,920 though you'll hear it was it was embarrassing. And this 62 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:31,040 goes back to my attitude about our government. This this 63 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:36,120 would not happen in a well run private sector company. 64 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:42,639 They act like babies. They act like uneducated children. They 65 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,199 squabble out each other. It was a food fight. These 66 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:52,399 are senators versus this Secretary of Health and Human Services, 67 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,279 and I don't know which side you believe, but it 68 00:04:55,319 --> 00:04:57,000 really has come down to the point where I don't 69 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,319 know who to believe. I want to believe doctor, but then, 70 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,560 like I said, CDC has given us a bunch of 71 00:05:05,959 --> 00:05:08,160 a bunch of false information in the past, so how 72 00:05:08,199 --> 00:05:11,879 do you believe them? And then RFK just came in 73 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:17,199 and fired all the people on the vaccine Committee and 74 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:20,800 hired a bunch of new people. And the person that's 75 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:28,120 supposed to run the CDC was this woman doctor who 76 00:05:28,199 --> 00:05:31,240 was went through hired a month ago, and then they 77 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,240 fired her three weeks later. I'm going, that doesn't look 78 00:05:34,319 --> 00:05:37,560 like a manager knows what he or she is doing. 79 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,360 In this case, what the what rfk's doing. Why would 80 00:05:42,439 --> 00:05:45,480 you fire somebody three weeks after you hire them. I 81 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:48,120 don't put it on the employee, I put it on 82 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,680 the manager. They should be a better manager. They shouldn't 83 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,319 have hired her in the first place. If they if 84 00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:57,000 she if they didn't like her, they should have decided 85 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,879 they should have asked her the questions three weeks ago 86 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:03,560 that they asked lately, and because of the wrong answers, 87 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,839 they said, you're out of here. So they're just it's 88 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,759 who do you believe? RFK. I'm sorry. I think the 89 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:16,040 guy's weird and he's got a bunch of four years 90 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:21,319 conspiracy stuff, I mean, like kookie stuff. So who do 91 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,639 you believe? Do you believe him, or do you believe 92 00:06:24,879 --> 00:06:29,959 the doctors? Or in today, do you believe the senators. 93 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,639 There's nobody that I put my faith and trust in. 94 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: So let's start. I'll play a little bit of this 95 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:37,040 for you. 96 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: It was just a mess. Here you go. 97 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 2: No, I did not Yes, that's a yes or no. 98 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,199 Speaker 3: So you have an opportunity to call her a liar 99 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:49,199 if you say that you didn't do it. 100 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 2: But I'd like to see you respond to this. 101 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 4: No, I did not say that to her, and I 102 00:06:55,079 --> 00:06:59,040 never had a private meeting with her. Other witnesses to 103 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,879 every meeting that we have, and all those witnesses we'll 104 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,519 say I never said. 105 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 3: So she's lying today to the American people on the 106 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:09,360 Wall Street Journal, Yes, sir, Yeah. 107 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,199 Speaker 1: They were talking about doctor Susan Monarez, who was the 108 00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:18,040 one that ran the CDC for three weeks and everybody 109 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,600 was calling everybody a liar. And one of the things 110 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:25,600 that RFK does, RFK Junior does is he denies that 111 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,759 he said something. And I've seen two or three occasions 112 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:33,279 where a reporter has turned around or an anchor has 113 00:07:33,279 --> 00:07:36,000 turned around when he's doing an appearance in the media 114 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:38,759 and played for him the exact words that he said, 115 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,560 and he just shakes his head because he just said, 116 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,759 he denied that he ever said that. He does that 117 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:46,680 a lot, so I don't know what's wrong with him, 118 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,199 but he does that. Here it gets just a little 119 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:51,759 test here. 120 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,759 Speaker 4: Most Americans will be able to get it from their pharmacy. 121 00:07:54,759 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 5: For question is everyone who wants it? 122 00:07:57,279 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: That was your promise on no identity. 123 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 4: I never promised that I was going to recommend products 124 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,759 for which there is no indications. 125 00:08:04,839 --> 00:08:06,759 Speaker 5: When you said, and I know. 126 00:08:06,759 --> 00:08:10,199 Speaker 4: You've taken eight hundred and fifty five thousand dollars from 127 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,800 farm Assume Company, the question. 128 00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:17,639 Speaker 5: No, I'm asking the questions here that question. 129 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: I'm asking the questions Kennedy question. I'm asking the. 130 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:26,279 Speaker 6: Questions for mister Kennedy on behalf of parents and schools 131 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:30,120 and teachers all over the United States of America. 132 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: Who deserve so much better than your leadership. You did 133 00:08:34,279 --> 00:08:38,519 it behind a public. Now parents who decide that they 134 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:43,919 do want their children to I'm not just making stuff up. 135 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 7: You know, sometimes when you make an accusation, it's kind 136 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:48,879 of a confession. 137 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: Mister Kennedy. You choose to know. 138 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 6: Answers to questions with some colleagues on I'm willing to answer, 139 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,039 will answer there. Someone should have asked you, maybe President 140 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,159 Trump should have asked you, are you a trustworthy person? 141 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 2: I we should have waited for an answer, then let's. 142 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 4: Go on to know what you're talking about. They're talking gibberish. 143 00:09:08,639 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: Your doctor, Jebbrais, you're a liar. You're back and forth. 144 00:09:12,639 --> 00:09:15,679 It was four hours of that today. I will spare 145 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,200 you the four hours, but it was. It was sad 146 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,799 because it did it looked like children that were arguing 147 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,120 with each other. This is not a Congress, is not 148 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:29,519 running as a professional organization. And RFK Junior did not 149 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,919 act like a professional person himself. It was so so 150 00:09:33,919 --> 00:09:38,879 so bad the way they behaved. So RFK Junior, he 151 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,840 did four hours of testimony. Meantime, down in Florida, they 152 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:48,159 are going to stop vaccine mandates in other words for 153 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,720 the kids going to school. If you don't have to, 154 00:09:51,799 --> 00:09:55,159 you don't have to show a vaccine record of any kind. 155 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,559 I don't know where this is going to go, but 156 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,799 you know, you hear the doctor say, if you don't 157 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:02,320 have I don't know what the number is, eighty five 158 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:07,159 percent ninety percent of the population immunized through a vaccine 159 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,039 for some of these things, then the virus will spread 160 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:17,159 and then we'll all get it measles, mumps, polio. RFK Jr. 161 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:20,480 In the past that testified he would not fire any scientist. 162 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:26,360 He has about three thousand of them. He testified he 163 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:30,519 would not. For his confirmation he would not interfere with 164 00:10:30,639 --> 00:10:35,519 vaccines or the VAXs panel, and he's done both. 165 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:38,039 Speaker 2: Fired. 166 00:10:38,039 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: The head of CDC replaced the person who took over 167 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,399 from doctor Susan Monev is a venture capital guy. He's 168 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,879 running CDC. He may be a very smart guy, but 169 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,840 I don't know. Seems like a venture capital guy. I'm 170 00:10:53,919 --> 00:10:57,639 I'm not sure if I want to take my medical 171 00:10:57,639 --> 00:11:00,639 information from him. I don't trust the CDs. I don't 172 00:11:00,639 --> 00:11:04,879 trust RFK Junior. I don't trust the senators. I guess 173 00:11:04,879 --> 00:11:07,080 it comes down to you just better ask your doctor. 174 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,639 The problem is if your doctor says, yeah, go get 175 00:11:10,639 --> 00:11:14,679 a vaccine, go get a COVID shot or whatever it 176 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:21,320 might be, well, the pharmacies apparently are now on hold. 177 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,480 One of these doctors has that. I think it's I'm 178 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:34,600 not sure. Let's play. This is doctor David Sulkan, and 179 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,639 he used to be the head of the VA in 180 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,200 Trump one point zero. Here's what doctor Sultan had to say. 181 00:11:42,279 --> 00:11:44,799 Speaker 8: So I don't think that this hearing did much in 182 00:11:44,879 --> 00:11:49,799 terms of restoring the confidence in the system for most 183 00:11:49,799 --> 00:11:53,159 Americans who are watching this, the Americans that want to 184 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,960 have a government that they trust and understand and frankly 185 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,679 that is going to be there in the next pandemic. 186 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,320 Should that happened, and unfortunately, all that we really saw 187 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:08,440 was Washington politics at it's worse today. The Secretary was defiant, 188 00:12:08,759 --> 00:12:11,600 he was combat of but I don't think he did 189 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,960 much in terms of really shedding light on any facts 190 00:12:15,039 --> 00:12:17,879 or data to be able to give confidence that this 191 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:21,559 agency is headed in the right direction, or that people 192 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,120 are going to be clear with advice on what to 193 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,799 do when they go to their doctor and their pharmacists. 194 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,080 So I don't think that this had the impact that 195 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,480 I think that the Secretary was hoping that it would. 196 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,279 I think what we saw was a fair amount of 197 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:44,360 consistency from the senators, both Republicans and Democrats, understanding that 198 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,879 this was actually warp speed, was a public private partnership 199 00:12:49,919 --> 00:12:53,919 that was a dramatic success and something that frankly, President 200 00:12:53,919 --> 00:12:59,559 Trump does deserve credit because that happened under his first term. 201 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:04,320 The Secretary rather than being able to build upon that 202 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,679 and say where we're going to go in the future, 203 00:13:06,879 --> 00:13:09,320 how we're going to continue to build on public private 204 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,759 partnerships and be able to build up the resiliency of 205 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:16,799 our public health system. Really that's where he lost the narrative, 206 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,120 and he basically said, but it went wrong from there. 207 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,399 And I think again, we need to see confidence in 208 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:30,799 the system. We have a very very strong infrastructure in place. 209 00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:34,600 America should continue to be leading in this area, and 210 00:13:34,639 --> 00:13:37,799 I think that's what people want to see from government. Yeah, 211 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:41,159 I don't think there is a clear path that's been outlined. 212 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,279 Let's take a look at what happened today. The role 213 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,240 of that Senate committee is oversight, and they were trying 214 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:51,799 to do that. They were asking they were well prepared, 215 00:13:51,799 --> 00:13:55,639 they were asking questions, they were looking for clear answers, 216 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,159 and I'm not sure that we got much further down 217 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:01,679 the road in terms of that. We have to have 218 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,399 political leadership in place that is going to restore the confidence, 219 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,039 and the way to do that is through science based 220 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,159 or evidence based policy, and so we're going to need 221 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,679 to find somebody that's going to lead these agencies, particularly 222 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,759 in this case the CDC, who has those qualifications. We 223 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,519 didn't hear a real clear, good reason why these firings happened. 224 00:14:27,559 --> 00:14:31,639 We heard a difference of opinion about, you know, the 225 00:14:31,679 --> 00:14:35,000 trustworthiness here, but I think the real issue is we're 226 00:14:35,039 --> 00:14:38,759 their policy differences and what type of leader is the 227 00:14:38,799 --> 00:14:41,279 Secretary looking to have in place to be able to 228 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,759 drive the agency and restore that confidence. And I'm not 229 00:14:44,919 --> 00:14:47,919 sure that any of us got that answer today. So 230 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:50,960 that still is work that's going to need to be done. 231 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,360 I think that you know, we saw that the Secretary 232 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,519 has thirty one congressional letters that haven't been responded too yet. 233 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:03,799 I think we need to step up the ability to 234 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:07,519 begin to start answering these questions, to provide the transparency 235 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:11,639 in government, to get people in these positions that are 236 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,519 going to be allowed to follow the science to be 237 00:15:14,519 --> 00:15:17,120 able to begin to restore the confidence that we need, 238 00:15:17,879 --> 00:15:21,159 just as we're entering the fall, where we're likely to 239 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:26,799 see new respiratory conditions that are going to require people 240 00:15:27,039 --> 00:15:28,759 to know what to do when they get sick. 241 00:15:29,279 --> 00:15:31,559 Speaker 1: Well, there's a guy who not only is a doctor 242 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,000 but also has served in high levels of government, and 243 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,840 he wasn't impressed at all today. Nobody was. Nobody was 244 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:43,000 even Mark Warner, Senator Mark Warner from Virginia. He's the 245 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:48,120 wealthiest senator. He made his money, had a company that 246 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:52,240 he started that was in the computer tech world. So 247 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:58,360 I presume he's a fairly smart guy, and he was apoplectic. 248 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 9: During the Secretary of Health and Human Service. You don't 249 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:04,360 have any idea how many Americans died from COVID. 250 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:09,279 Speaker 4: I don't think anybody knows because there was so much 251 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,960 data chaos coming out of chair. 252 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:14,399 Speaker 9: Your Secretary of Health and Human Services doesn't no matter 253 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,600 how many Americans died from COVID. Now let them know 254 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,080 if the vaccine helped prevent any deaths, and you were 255 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,440 sitting as Secretary of Health and Human Services, how can 256 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:26,639 you be that ignorant? 257 00:16:27,159 --> 00:16:30,799 Speaker 1: Okay, there's another little name calling. We've had lots of 258 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:33,679 name college, So how can you be yet ignorant? Actually, 259 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,799 Mark Theesen had an answer about that. 260 00:16:37,399 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 7: Well, I think Kennedy is right that the CDC doesn't 261 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,960 have accurate data. So one of the things that we 262 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,840 learned about the pandemic was that it was that children, 263 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,559 particularly younger children, were completely on at risk from COVID. 264 00:16:49,639 --> 00:16:52,000 There were in Germany, they they where they kept tracking 265 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,399 the numbers, not a single child age fifteen to seventeen 266 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,279 died of COVID who was healthy, who didn't have a 267 00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:00,399 pre existing condition. When I tried, when I was reporting 268 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:02,759 this from my column in the Washington Post, I wanted 269 00:17:02,759 --> 00:17:04,799 to get the CDC numbers for the United States, and 270 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:06,480 I was told we didn't have them because we don't 271 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,240 track that. We literally weren't tracking how many child deaths 272 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:13,079 from COVID were people who had pre existing conditions and 273 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,119 how many were healthy children. 274 00:17:16,279 --> 00:17:17,839 Speaker 2: That data just wasn't being collected. 275 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,279 Speaker 7: It's hugely important because I would in Germany, not a 276 00:17:21,319 --> 00:17:24,880 single healthy child died, And so Kennedy is right that 277 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,319 the CDC really doesn't have numbers on a lot of 278 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:30,480 this stuff. And this is one of the reasons why 279 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,039 the Trust in our public health institutions has been absolutely devastated. 280 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 2: These people told. 281 00:17:34,759 --> 00:17:36,519 Speaker 7: Us we had to keep our kids out of school, 282 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:39,039 even though we learned that there was no risk to children. 283 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:42,880 They had to have mandated to take vaccines for an 284 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,559 illness they weren't in danger of. In order to get 285 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:49,480 back into school, we had to have masks, social six 286 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,920 foot socialism. None of it based on science at all. 287 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,920 And so we have a huge destruction of trust. There's 288 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,079 never been any accountability for it. There's never been a 289 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,079 nine to eleven commission to look into our failures in 290 00:18:01,079 --> 00:18:03,799 the pandemic. And so Kennedy comes in challenging all this 291 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,599 and people are saying, well, you're he's a Nott and 292 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,920 he's a nanci vaccent. A normal American watching this doesn't 293 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,039 know what to believe. 294 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: And that includes me. But remember at the back during 295 00:18:14,039 --> 00:18:17,799 the pandemic it started the numbers started being questioned because 296 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:20,480 we had a weekly well I think it was updated daily. 297 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,680 I forget where that the source of all that was. 298 00:18:23,759 --> 00:18:26,440 It was one of the universities I think in Pennsylvania. 299 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:29,359 In any case, No, no, no, it was JOHNS Hopkins 300 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:34,000 in Baltimore. And so we would have these very detailed 301 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:38,279 numbers every day about how many people had died, how 302 00:18:38,319 --> 00:18:43,240 many recovered. We had a nice dashboard of numbers. But 303 00:18:43,319 --> 00:18:46,599 then they came out and they said, well, you know, 304 00:18:47,799 --> 00:18:50,519 Joe Jones was killed in a car accident, and when 305 00:18:50,559 --> 00:18:52,799 they did the autopsy they found out that actually he 306 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,000 also had COVID, so they blamed it as a COVID death, 307 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,680 but it was really a car accident death. So it 308 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,319 kind of stuff that was you know, people had had 309 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:06,039 a political agenda to boost the numbers or not boost 310 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:13,240 the numbers. Doctor Sanjay Gupta has some numbers that he got. 311 00:19:13,799 --> 00:19:14,680 Let's listen to him. 312 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 10: I think if you were an American watching these last 313 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,319 three hours, you would be completely confused. He would have 314 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:26,039 been assaulted by misinformation and disinformation. You wouldn't know if 315 00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:29,799 COVID vaccines cause more debts versus COVID itself. You might 316 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:34,079 think anti depressants lead to increased suicides and mass shootings. 317 00:19:34,839 --> 00:19:37,599 People called each other liar over and over again. I 318 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:38,799 mean the term that we would. 319 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 2: Hear very sporadically. 320 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 10: It was used so many times today there was just 321 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,240 it was just very hard to piece together. I think 322 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:50,079 one thing I think is important is that there's constantly 323 00:19:50,079 --> 00:19:54,240 been this tension between the Make America Healthy Again movement, 324 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,720 which I think a lot of people agree with fundamentally 325 00:19:56,759 --> 00:19:59,160 because we're not a very healthy country, but it is 326 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:05,279 so entangled with this discussion around vaccines. And I think anytime, 327 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,039 you know, Secretary Kennedy was sort of asked about vaccines, 328 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:10,079 he would sort of rely on this idea that we're 329 00:20:10,079 --> 00:20:14,519 not a very healthy country. Those are two distinct things. 330 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,839 I was very confused by many of these things. And 331 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,240 I think one thing I agree with Secretary Kennedy on. 332 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:23,039 I don't think a lot of times they were looking 333 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,440 for answers for him on specific questions. One of the 334 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,279 big ones was what was the real value of Operation 335 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,920 Warp Speed? What did that really do President Trump others 336 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,680 have said this was one of the greatest scientific achievements. 337 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,799 Senator Cassidy said he should President Trump should be nominated 338 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:42,559 for a Nobel Price. Let me just show you something 339 00:20:42,599 --> 00:20:44,480 really quick, because I think when it comes to data, 340 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,599 people say, look, we don't trust the corporations to give 341 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,079 us data, we don't trust the government to give us data. 342 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,000 And we run into this as reporters all the time. 343 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:53,400 I don't know if we have this data from the 344 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,680 Commonwealth Fund. A lot of times we search for data 345 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,759 from other organizations that are that are not taking funding 346 00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:03,200 from from private or governmental organizations. If we don't have it, 347 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,400 I can sort of tell you the numbers here. But basically, 348 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:09,880 so between December twenty twenty and November twenty twenty two, 349 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,400 what did the vaccinations do in the United States? Prevented 350 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,000 eighteen point five million hospitalizations and avoided three point. 351 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:17,839 Speaker 2: Two million debts. 352 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 10: I put this up because, again trying to cut through 353 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,680 some of the clutter here, everyone's going to keep saying, well, 354 00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:26,640 Pfizer's presenting that data. I don't trust that CDC is 355 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,519 presenting that data. I don't trust it. So who are 356 00:21:29,559 --> 00:21:32,119 you going to trust? Who are you going to trust? 357 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,240 And I think that's fundamentally what this is going to 358 00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:37,880 be about over the next who knows how long. There 359 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,440 are many states and including DC, where it is very hard, 360 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,920 if not impossible, to get a COVID vaccine right now, 361 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,599 and that is because pharmacists are relying on the Advisory 362 00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:51,519 Committee to make these recommendations. The Advisory Committee, as you know, 363 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:54,160 is dismantled. And then we're going to see if there's 364 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,799 even a meeting sometime later this month. But right now 365 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:59,519 pharmacists are sort of bound in many states to what 366 00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:02,400 those a sub recommendations are. Could you go to a doctor, 367 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,440 could you pay for it yourself? Could you get it 368 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,279 off label? Perhaps, but as was pointed out several times today, 369 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:10,519 it is far harder today than it was even a 370 00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:12,759 month ago or certainly a year ago to get the 371 00:22:12,759 --> 00:22:14,799 shot if you want it. And that really goes for 372 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,039 anybody in the country, at least in these states. 373 00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: And it's a patchwork, you know. 374 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 10: So it's it's really challenging and very confusing, far more 375 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,240 confusing than it needs to be. We know the specifics 376 00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:29,640 that he said, it's no longer recommended for pregnant people 377 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,279 or healthy children. Pregnant people, by the way, are often 378 00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:35,640 they're an increase risk. And the end of the EUA 379 00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:36,160 as well. 380 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so not talking about mandates, but just talking about availability. 381 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,240 Can you get a COVID shot if you want to? 382 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,880 And you heard doctor Gupta saying that the pharmacist are 383 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,079 relying upon that committee, and the committee was fired and 384 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,759 now they got to have another meeting with the new 385 00:22:53,799 --> 00:23:00,240 committ It seems a mess. It seems like the whole 386 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:03,279 thing today was just total chaos, and it seems like 387 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,440 that's the way our health system in this country has 388 00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:10,400 has been running and is still running, speaking of a 389 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,359 total mess and changing subjects. So the mayor of New 390 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,599 York the race here is Mam Donnie is ahead, He's 391 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:22,559 got forty some percent in the polls of a chance 392 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:28,559 of being elected. And Cuomo is I forget, he's behind 393 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:34,359 twenty some percent. And Curtis Sliwa is the Republican, He's 394 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:40,119 at like twelve percent, and then the current mayor, Eric Adams, 395 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,759 is at seven percent. So the story leaked out of 396 00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:46,799 the White House that the White House is going to 397 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:51,599 get Curtis Sliwa and Eric Adams jobs in the federal 398 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,599 government so that they will drop out of the race 399 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,880 for mayor, and then it would be a nose to 400 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,799 nose race between Cuomo and Mam Donnie. Here's Karl Rove 401 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,000 talking about it. First of all, I think the fact 402 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,440 that it was announced, it leaked out that this attempt 403 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,039 was supposedly being made to offer a job at hud 404 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,240 to Adams and to find a slot for Curtis Sliwa, 405 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:20,079 I think it probably means that they attempted it, and 406 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,720 it's not going to work out. It certainly gave mom 407 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:27,039 Donnie a chance to go on the offense against Donald Trump, who, 408 00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:28,960 after all, in the city of New York got about 409 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,079 a third of the vote thereabouts. And so I'd say 410 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,519 right now, tactical short term victory for Mim Donnie because 411 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:41,319 we're not talking about what he believes and the weird 412 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,680 positions he's taken, particularly in the past. Instead we're talking 413 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,799 about is Donald Trump trying to defeat him? 414 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 2: Hard to do. 415 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 11: Particularly if it's one thing that this had happened in June, 416 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:54,519 it's another thing when it happens less than ninety days 417 00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:58,640 from the election. I think this is this all works 418 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,680 to mom Donnie's benefit at this point because he gives 419 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,519 him a chance to not talk about you know, I 420 00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:07,200 got a lot of free stuff and I don't have 421 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:09,599 any way to pay for it, and I said ugly 422 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,480 things about the New York Police Department, and rather than 423 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:15,319 being talked about those, he goes on the offense against 424 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,200 Donald Trump, who's favorable ratings in New York have to 425 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:18,839 be pretty low. 426 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking about chaos. So this race is chaotic, and 427 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:30,200 AOC is pushing the Democrats to support ma'am Donnie because 428 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:36,240 Hakim Jeffries, who's a congressman from Brooklyn, and the head 429 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,960 of the Senate, Chuck Schumer, is a New York Senator. 430 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,440 Here's AOC greipen. 431 00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 12: I am very concerned about the example that is being 432 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,279 set by anybody in our party. If an individual doesn't 433 00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:55,039 want to support the party's nominee now, it complicates their 434 00:25:55,079 --> 00:26:00,519 ability to ask voters to support any nominee later, whether 435 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,920 that is mayoral, presidential. 436 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:06,039 Speaker 2: What have you look Think about what she just said. 437 00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 11: She just said that no matter how outrageous the views 438 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,400 of a Democratic candidate are, every Democrat has to endorse them, 439 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,759 particularly the leaders. Mamdami is on record with anti Israel comments, 440 00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:18,920 anti Jewish comments. 441 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: Think about what he said about the police. 442 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: In New York. 443 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,799 Speaker 11: Here it is the New York Police Department is a racist, 444 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,279 anti queer, a major threat to public safety. That's what 445 00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:31,160 he says about the News had said in the past 446 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:35,119 about the New York Police Department, defunded, dismantled, and the 447 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,880 cycle of violence. He's blaming violence in New York on 448 00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:42,119 the New York Police Department. That's the kind of thing 449 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,200 that could get him into trouble and probably why Hakim 450 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,359 Jeffreys and Schumer taking some distance. 451 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:50,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gonna be an interesting one to watch, only 452 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,200 from the standpoint of I'm not sure if President Trump 453 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:56,400 isn't playing three dimensional chess here, because if he does 454 00:26:56,519 --> 00:26:59,880 something that everybody can see in New York that he 455 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:05,960 he's supporting Cuomo to beat ma'm donnie, and people in 456 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,240 New York do not like Donald Trump, then they will 457 00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:11,839 not support Cuomo. And therefore, ma'am Donnie looks like he's 458 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,359 got it made. But you never know who's going to 459 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,480 come out on election day, and we're about knotty days out. 460 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:24,839 We haven't talked about the drug boat, the one that 461 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:30,519 the US military just blew it out of the water, 462 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,880 and it was a bunch of they say it was. 463 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,599 The intel on it was it was a drug boat 464 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:43,240 that was bringing drugs from Venezuela and heading eventually to 465 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:48,200 the United States. So the military focused in on it 466 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:52,880 and kaplow in the water. Eleven people were killed and 467 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,839 all the drugs went to the bottom of the ocean. 468 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:01,319 So Marco Rubio, Secretary of State, and basically his purview, 469 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,440 let's listen to what he said. 470 00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 9: Let me say this. 471 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 13: The United States has long, for many, many years, established 472 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:10,759 intelligence that allow us to interdict and stop drug boots. 473 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,880 We did that and it doesn't work. In addiction, doesn't 474 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,079 work because these drug cartels what they do is they 475 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,519 know they're going to lose, you know, two percent of 476 00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:22,160 their cargo. They bake it into their economics. 477 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: So what do you think, I mean, I think if 478 00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,400 it's this way that we In fact, President Obama I 479 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,440 called him the obominator because he would send drones over 480 00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:38,440 the top of various terrorist organizations somewhere in the Middle 481 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,799 East and blow them up out of the sand. And 482 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,920 this is the same thing. This is a designated terrorist organization, 483 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,880 and it is it's the same thing. We just we 484 00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:52,640 blow them out of the water instead of out of 485 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,319 the sand. Ian Bremer Well, he talks about whether this 486 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,480 is going to go bigger into maybe a full blown 487 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:02,240 war against Venezuela. 488 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 5: Because it's not just blowing up a boat. 489 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:12,559 Speaker 14: First of all, the Trump administration considers Maduro to be 490 00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:16,559 a legitimate target. They don't see him as head of state. 491 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:19,920 They see him as a terrorist and the leader of 492 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,920 the cartel. They have a fifty million dollar bounty on 493 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:27,279 his head and the military that they have sent off 494 00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:31,599 of Venezuela's coast, including a nuclear submarine, some two thousand marines, 495 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:36,759 significant numbers of battle vessels. This is not to take 496 00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:42,519 out a small boat and kill eleven drug dealers or 497 00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:47,160 drug transitters. This is clearly a message directly at the 498 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:51,039 Maduro regime. And I think at a minimum you are 499 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:56,200 looking at escalation that feels like a blockade. At a maximum, 500 00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:58,880 you're probably I think it's more likely than not that 501 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,960 you're going to see some direct strikes on targets in Venezuela. 502 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:07,799 Now are those targets at the regime itself or at 503 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,279 gangs and cartels? And how's the Venezuelan military going to 504 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,000 respond if they start feeling like, you know, Tomahawk missiles 505 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:17,480 targeting them. 506 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 5: That's a very interesting question. 507 00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 14: The markets, i mean, Venezuelan bonds have blown out over 508 00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:27,599 the last twenty four hours levels we haven't seen in decades, 509 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,200 because certainly they're seeing that there's a lot of risk 510 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,160 around this existing regime. Marco Rubio made a tour trip 511 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,039 down to Mexico in advance of this and has gotten 512 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,599 a complete go ahead and promises of cooperation from the 513 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,680 Mexican government, which was seen as essential by the United States. 514 00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:50,680 Now President Shanbaum has not wanted to talk about details 515 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,880 specifics to the public in Mexico specifically, because you know 516 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:58,960 they'll be concerns about sovereignty, they'll be nationalists backlash, But 517 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:00,440 there has been support there. 518 00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 5: Columbia, on the other hand, you've got a. 519 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 14: Very unpopular leader far to the left who has been 520 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:12,119 largely sympathetic to the Maduro regime. And I think there 521 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,440 you'd have a big crisis in their relationship with the 522 00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,519 United States. It could break off diplomatic relations. But I 523 00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:21,200 do want to make clear here no one's talking about 524 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,960 the boots on the ground and a policy of regime 525 00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:27,160 change that the Americans would be involved in affecting. And 526 00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:29,920 as much as Trump says he wants to end wars, 527 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:33,720 and he's put a lot of effort into that, successfully 528 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:38,079 in some cases at the margins, unsuccessfully of course, in 529 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,680 the case of Russia, Ukraine and Israel Gaza. But Trump 530 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:47,960 has no problem using the military with target strikes at enemies, 531 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,240 and we've seen that with Iran. 532 00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 5: We saw in his first term with Iran, and. 533 00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 14: I think his view would be Venezuela is much more 534 00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:57,079 akin to that than it would be. You know, suddenly 535 00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:58,759 the United States is going to be in a multi 536 00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:01,079 year morass the way it was RockA Afghanistan. 537 00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:04,039 Speaker 1: So we see you where this goes. And there's of course, 538 00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:08,240 if you're a Trump supporter, you're cheering the fact that 539 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,160 good he's doing something about making the drug cartels pay attention, 540 00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:15,640 that he's not going to just roll over and we've 541 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,920 done nothing to stop the drugs coming in our country. 542 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,039 So this may be the beginning of all of that. 543 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,559 On the economy, the big story is tomorrow morning, eight 544 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,839 thirty Eastern time, the jobs report for the month of 545 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,319 August comes out. I don't know if you're going to 546 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,400 believe the numbers no matter what they are. Today ADP 547 00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:39,680 came out with their private sector jobs report and they 548 00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:44,559 said that the private sector created only fifty four thousand 549 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:49,079 jobs last month. It was estimated to be slow. It 550 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,839 was estimated to be seventy five thousand, turned out to 551 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,200 be worse than that, at fifty four thousand. Steve Leisman 552 00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:59,599 over at CNBC's kind of their economic guru, was just 553 00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:04,480 chat with his fellow staffs on on the set this 554 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,319 morning about what he's observing about jobs. 555 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 2: But the first two pages layout on it. 556 00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 15: They layout an economy at saw Street, little economic activity 557 00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,039 for districts had modest growth. 558 00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:18,759 Speaker 5: And then the Challenger report this morning. 559 00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 15: Layoffs up thirty nine percent, adding pharmaceuticals in finance to 560 00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:28,160 the sectors that we're seeing layoffs. 561 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 5: So I'm Steve, have you seen it? 562 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:32,839 Speaker 15: I ended up with more concern about the economy after 563 00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:35,279 yesterday's data and this morning's challenge. 564 00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 4: Is there anything to know that the falling participation rate 565 00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:41,559 is masking a much higher Yes it could, all. 566 00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: Right, So they're seeing this slowing down in the labor markets. 567 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,440 Not a Richardson, the chief economist over to ADP. She 568 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,079 has the details on the slowdown that she sees. 569 00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:53,559 Speaker 16: No, I think it's been in stasis for about a 570 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,400 year now. But we have to look at the broader context. 571 00:33:56,759 --> 00:33:59,200 This is an economy that was kind of whipsawed by 572 00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:01,240 the great as a nation. A lot of people are 573 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:05,119 pretty happy where they are and they're staying put, so under. 574 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,599 Speaker 17: Our worker happy where they are unemployed employed. But also 575 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,920 this is you know, firm behavior. Employer behavior has changed 576 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,440 quite a bit since the pandemic, and you can see 577 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,039 it in the hours worked. Right now, average hours is 578 00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:23,760 about two hours less a week according to ADP payroll 579 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:24,639 data than it was. 580 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 2: Before the pandemic. 581 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 16: That's consistent with a hiring pattern where you're keeping people 582 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,440 on payroll but they're working fewer hours. Before you cut 583 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,159 a job, you'll cut an hour, and so what we're 584 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:41,320 seeing is maybe an underemployed worker as opposed to an 585 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,639 unemployed worker, which is a meaningful difference. It's also easier 586 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,559 to add hours when things pick up, So the flexibility 587 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,840 we're seeing now is an hour's work, not just in 588 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,599 growing and shrinking your headcount. 589 00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 5: Fetch. 590 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 16: There's a lot of things happening in healthcare, whether it 591 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,360 is labor shortages we're seeing. We're seeing an aging demographic 592 00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:04,679 take root in that industry. So if you look at 593 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,119 the average age of nurses and doctors and healthcare aids, 594 00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:12,960 it's going up. You're seeing that retiree segment tenures shortened 595 00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:16,000 because people are leaving the field post pandemic. 596 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 5: Immigration is going to have a huge. 597 00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:22,599 Speaker 16: Factor a sector like healthcare, or part of it is supplied, 598 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,840 part of it is having the dollars to hire. A 599 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,320 lot of that sector is built in on grant money. 600 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,199 If that grant money dries up in education and healthcare, 601 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,440 you can't get, you can't hire. In the same way 602 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,719 that all of this is playing out into a weaker 603 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,920 education and healthcare number that we've been tracking for quite 604 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,840 a while. This is not new for ADP payroll data. 605 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,880 It is a distinction with the BLS data. We have 606 00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:50,960 seen weaker healthcare growth for the better part of a year. 607 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: So speaking of money, well, I'm here at work today. 608 00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:00,719 Gives I did not win. Neither did you had the lottery. 609 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,480 Now it's one point seven billion dollars, So we'll see 610 00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:10,880 what happens next draw. NFL football kicks off tonight. Yes, 611 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,599 it's the Cowboys versus the Philadelphia Eagles in Philadelphia, super 612 00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:20,639 Bowl Champs. So that's going to be on NBC tonight. 613 00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:24,079 As NFL football gets underway, there's a big gathering at 614 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:26,360 the White House. I don't know if you got your invite, 615 00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:31,000 but a lot of the big, big, heavyweight tech CEOs 616 00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:33,280 are all invited to the White House tonight. They're going 617 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,639 to have some festivities out on the paved over Rose Garden. 618 00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:42,119 I don't know what they're going to do, but I'm 619 00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:43,960 sure the President's going to hit them up for something. 620 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,400 It'll be interesting to see if he hits them up 621 00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:51,360 for part ownership of their companies. Anyways, tech CEOs at 622 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,039 the White House tonight NFL, I'm sure some of them 623 00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:59,360 would rather watch the NFL game the kickoff, and we'll 624 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,000 buy you a lot of tickets and we'll see what 625 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,079 comes out of all of that. We have Wall Street 626 00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:10,599 today anticipating tomorrow morning's jobs report, and I think, no 627 00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:13,559 matter what they think about the jobs report, whether we'll 628 00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:16,320 be good, better, and different, I think most people on 629 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,079 Wall Street today were buying because of the fact that 630 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,199 you've got it's going to have to take a real 631 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,559 crushing blow on those job numbers to knock the fed 632 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,079 off of the decision to lower interest rates coming up 633 00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:33,760 in about ten days. So on Wall Street today, the 634 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,960 dal Fin eached up three hundred and fifty points, the 635 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,559 Dow at forty five six, twenty one, SMP up fifty three, 636 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,000 NASDAC up two hundred and nine, price of goal after 637 00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:49,000 a couple of days of big rallies fail today thirty 638 00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:52,840 dollars down to thirty six oh five, and oil down 639 00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:57,559 sixty plus cents to sixty three dollars, and some change 640 00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:01,199 for one barrel of oil. Thank you for coming by today. 641 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,480 We'll be back again tomorrow. Hope to see you the