Speaker 1: From Workhouse Connect and aj Benza.
Speaker 2: Fame. He'd liked to be walked on a leash and
Speaker 2: play really dirty, kinky sex games. Is uh the guy
Speaker 2: put the cock in the Peacock network.
Speaker 3: Okay, bitch, Hey, everybody aj Benzi here with fame is
Speaker 3: a bitch. This is your Let's call it a free
Speaker 3: podcast from Monday, January twenty seven, twenty twenty five. We're
Speaker 3: taping this on Friday afternoon, the twenty fifth, twenty fourth. Actually,
Speaker 3: I'm speaking to a good buddy mine, a great private
Speaker 3: investigator and somebody that's been raising a lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of people's attention. And Chris Todd. You've seen him
Speaker 3: on YouTube. I've talked about how you doing, buddy. I've
Speaker 3: talked about Chris in the past with some of the stories,
Speaker 3: and I'll get to how we met, but briefly, Chris
Speaker 3: was at the front of the O. J. Simpson case
Speaker 3: with the Cole and Ronald Goldman and always believed that
Speaker 3: there was somebody who helped OJ out.
Speaker 2: He's made that very public.
Speaker 3: He was always on my ass to go with the
Speaker 3: story and I was telling him, no one cares about OJ.
Speaker 2: It's about three years ago, four years ago, maybe, but
Speaker 2: he kept hit.
Speaker 3: Me and hit me, and you know, as it went on,
Speaker 3: I was getting more and more intrigued.
Speaker 2: And we'll probably dip into that afterward.
Speaker 3: But I wanted to talk to you, Chris up front
Speaker 3: today because you were somebody very instrumental.
Speaker 2: In the P. Diddy case. You managed to get your
Speaker 2: hands on his ex Kim Porter's diary. There.
Speaker 3: It is great book. It was flying off the shelves
Speaker 3: at Amazon beautiful.
Speaker 2: And you look. I knew Kim. We were friendly, and
Speaker 2: I think I told you one night at a nightclub
Speaker 2: she wanted to hang out with me, and her girlfriend
Speaker 2: said she likes you, and I said, I know who
Speaker 2: you are. You're Diddy's girl, and she laughed and said,
Speaker 2: don't worry about him. Here's my number.
Speaker 1: Call me.
Speaker 2: And I never called, Thank goodness.
Speaker 3: Who the hell knows what happened, But listen, there's an
Speaker 3: explosive situation going on.
Speaker 2: As of the other day.
Speaker 3: Obviously you guys know, maybe maybe some of you don't know,
Speaker 3: but P did. He filed a defamation lawsuit in New
Speaker 3: York federal court against basically News Nation, Courtney Burgess, who's
Speaker 3: the manager, and.
Speaker 2: Her his attorney, Ariel Mitchell, did. He is saying that
Speaker 2: these people fueled a media frenzy, fabricated claims that are
Speaker 2: outstanding of landish, and they're stirring up basic speculation.
Speaker 3: He's looking for fifty million dollars. I can tell you
Speaker 3: what his lawyers say, but it's all bullshit. That's the
Speaker 3: three lawyers talk. That's how they make their money. Chris
Speaker 3: contacted me a couple of days ago and said, you
Speaker 3: want you want this story you want to talk about
Speaker 3: of course I do. I've been at the forefront of
Speaker 3: the P Didy stuff. I said twenty five, twenty six
Speaker 3: years ago. He's a bad guy. People are dead because
Speaker 3: of P Diddy, and people took that like, what is
Speaker 3: a talking about here?
Speaker 2: Or here we are?
Speaker 3: So tell me what you feel about this lawsuit. We'll
Speaker 3: get into Kim's book in a minute, because I know
Speaker 3: it's back up. You put it back on Amazon right.
Speaker 1: Not Amazon, It's on a website called Silvercoastpros dot com
Speaker 1: p rs E No, no p r S professionals. I'll
Speaker 1: favor a post pros doc Silver.
Speaker 3: I'll make sure they know that. Tell me what you
Speaker 3: feel of what you may know, because you know awfully
Speaker 3: good stuff about this particular situation with Dinny or this
Speaker 3: lawsuit in general.
Speaker 1: Well, if you notice this lawsuit is talking about the book. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So and I can say these things now. You know,
Speaker 1: I kind of you and I talked before this stuff.
Speaker 1: Really you got to put out some word and I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. You did. You talked about this a long
Speaker 1: time ago, and so obviously now it's different. I was
Speaker 1: partly connected Ariel Mitchell. I was partly connected with a
Speaker 1: more connected with Courtney Burgess because Courtney was the one
Speaker 1: who brought me the book.
Speaker 2: Is he gay? Is he gay?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, I just thought he might be.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, go ahead, so so and then I can
Speaker 1: say this too now because it's already out there. But
Speaker 1: Courtney had purported that Kimora Lee Simmons was the source.
Speaker 3: I just was with Kimora Lee three days ago my
Speaker 3: son's basketball game. Her son fathered by Jaiman Hansu. The
Speaker 3: six foot seven inch kido.
Speaker 2: Was a freshman. Wow, good ballplayer. But I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: kim on the show later on this month, So continue
Speaker 2: to go ahead, and look.
Speaker 1: I like Kimora. I'm not trying out anybody if she
Speaker 1: wants to deny it that's her right to deny it.
Speaker 1: When you know this, when you're in scandal stories, you
Speaker 1: know somebody might say, yeah, I got them involved, and
Speaker 1: they say I'm not involved, and they're not. Like you
Speaker 1: said before, you're not going to tell you everything. You're
Speaker 1: not going to reveal all the cards. So basically I
Speaker 1: could never say her name in the beginning, so it was, hey,
Speaker 1: I had two sources, and I start with a black
Speaker 1: guy and then it's somebody else. I didn't say a
Speaker 1: female anyway, that's Courtney Burgess, kim Or at least.
Speaker 3: And Kimora. Wow, Kamara's usually quiet. I'm surprised she she
Speaker 3: did this.
Speaker 1: The reason. Look, it's so messy now with this lawsuit
Speaker 1: that News Nation got entangled in. Ariel was involved. She
Speaker 1: loves it. I mean, she wants to take trants to
Speaker 1: slay the dragon on Diddy? So did he just gave
Speaker 1: her and Courtney subpoena power, which is crazy? That's that's
Speaker 1: not good for him. But anyway, I think Kimor needs
Speaker 1: to talk, she needs she needs to come forward.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have her on. I'm gonna make her talk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let's see what she was very close to
Speaker 3: kim obviously. When I was dating a girlfriend back in
Speaker 3: New York, there were she was very close to Russell
Speaker 3: Simmons and Andre Herrel.
Speaker 2: I was friends with Albi, Sure, very close with Albi.
Speaker 3: I knew about Jada Pinket and Will Smith because they
Speaker 3: invited Albi to a sex party.
Speaker 2: He invited me.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to go. This is thirty years ago,
Speaker 3: he went, I mean I know all the shit, I
Speaker 3: know all the ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: So what Albi got his lawyers on you to take
Speaker 3: that book off Amazon, costing you at least one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, It cost.
Speaker 1: Me five hundred grand Jesus Christ at least.
Speaker 2: And now what so how is it able to be
Speaker 2: on a different website now? Is he still going to
Speaker 2: come after you again?
Speaker 1: I've talked to his lawyer a couple of times. He's
Speaker 1: not a bad guy. Actually, it's the same lawyer from
Speaker 1: the Charlie thing. Yeah, from the O. J.
Speaker 2: Simpson situation.
Speaker 1: Literally in the seas and desist that he wrote to
Speaker 1: Andy Jasse and to Jeff Bezos that have a copy
Speaker 1: of he lists me on the Erlik thing saying this
Speaker 1: is what this guy does. And I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: he's just tied in both of the Okay, whatever, But
Speaker 1: my point is Robert Hampton is a good guy. He's
Speaker 1: a funny guy. I know, I know, I know him
Speaker 1: for years. Yeah, he's a good guy. I've known you,
Speaker 1: and I'll be sure. I've no issue with Robert Hammond.
Speaker 1: I put I put the book back up because I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be silenced. I'm not going to be
Speaker 1: told I can't sell books if he and and and
Speaker 1: he's xed out in the book. This is the person
Speaker 1: that's up.
Speaker 3: It's not moving over, move it to your move this
Speaker 3: moving close. Kim's Kim's lost words, okay.
Speaker 2: And the second one is called what what's the other
Speaker 2: one called.
Speaker 1: The original was the R rated version was called tell
Speaker 1: tell it All.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So when I did my book, I actually xed out
Speaker 1: the stuff about alb. Now, look, he's only in the
Speaker 1: book for like two pages. The book's not about him.
Speaker 1: So I decided that for Kim and I believe it's real.
Speaker 1: If somebody proves me it's fake, then prove it then
Speaker 1: then I'm all yours.
Speaker 2: But well, you know, he's very protective of Kim. Obviously
Speaker 2: they have a child together, And did he did he
Speaker 2: adopted that child? Am I right?
Speaker 1: Well? But Alb says there was no adoption because okay,
Speaker 1: I just said that in the Peacock documentary.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't see that yet. Okay, Well, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: That you should check it out.
Speaker 2: I don't check it out, you know. And and I've
Speaker 2: said this before, many people know, but all the people
Speaker 2: at Bad Boy Records from Heavy D I'll be short.
Speaker 2: Kim Porter dead, dead dead, Albi goes and goes Nokoma
Speaker 2: was I mean basically dead, came back to life, Andre
Speaker 2: Harrel dead, all the but kim Porter's death.
Speaker 3: She lived about a mile and a half away from me,
Speaker 3: in to Luca Lake. I went to the house when
Speaker 3: I heard she died. I just wanted to see the scene. Pneumonia.
Speaker 3: I had pneumonia. It's devastating. I was thirty days in
Speaker 3: the hospital with surgery. Was I was on deathbed. There
Speaker 3: was no medicine, pneumonia, medication in Kim's house, no nothing
Speaker 3: in the night table. And if you're suffering for pneumonia,
Speaker 3: it's painful and it's horrible. Nothing No one Hailer's There
Speaker 3: was no iPad or iPhone on her bedroom. Naivel who
Speaker 3: the fuck goes to bed like that these days, none
Speaker 3: of nobody.
Speaker 1: Because they.
Speaker 2: Which had a lot of incriminating evidence and.
Speaker 1: The cups didn't come there for two hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: So when the family was there first, like Diddy, Komoro
Speaker 1: was there, Oh yeah, Cory Gamble, right.
Speaker 2: Corey Gamble, he was there involved in it really.
Speaker 1: Because he was like Diddy's No, he was justin Bieber's
Speaker 1: tour manager.
Speaker 2: He knows Chris Jenners, Chris Jenner's phony boyfriend, Corey Gamble.
Speaker 2: Oh god, they're all connected and sorted.
Speaker 3: It's it's such a tangled web of bullshit phonies and lawyers.
Speaker 3: But they want to be on top for so long
Speaker 3: and make so much goddamn money and have so much
Speaker 3: influence that you're seeing you now with the p Diddy parties.
Speaker 2: You have told me in the past that you've seen videos.
Speaker 1: Would I have to say things a certain way? Per
Speaker 1: my Look?
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, go ahead. What can you say about
Speaker 2: videos and stuch like that?
Speaker 1: Let's say, hypothetically, we believe these tapes.
Speaker 2: Exist, Okay, And I think you're not the only one
Speaker 2: have said that. There there are lawyers who said it.
Speaker 2: Plenty of people out there have said.
Speaker 1: It, but there's not a few people that have them.
Speaker 2: Do you believe I was on to Jaguar that you
Speaker 2: know Jaguar right? Yeah, crazy.
Speaker 3: She was saying a lot of sensical things back in
Speaker 3: the day, and I always marked her as.
Speaker 2: Hey, she could be credit credible. Now that she's kind
Speaker 2: of star up, the bottom is little for her to
Speaker 2: even talk about now.
Speaker 3: But in the beginning she says some great things. I
Speaker 3: don't believe for a second. There's a sex video of
Speaker 3: Ditty and some other person that sold for five hundred
Speaker 3: million dollars in the black web.
Speaker 2: I don't buy that at all. No, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: No, you would, you would see it.
Speaker 2: You would see it.
Speaker 3: And you know nowadays that unfortunately, the longer this takes
Speaker 3: to go to trial, there are people that are bargaining
Speaker 3: with lawyers to get these tapes that they're.
Speaker 2: Allegedly on right and paying good money so they stay
Speaker 2: out of the public eye. Do you do you know?
Speaker 2: Do you know that to be the case? So are
Speaker 2: you familiar with that all?
Speaker 1: Like when Daniel Baldwin went on Patrick Bette David and
Speaker 1: said they're shopping these tapes around and Ariiel Mitchell went
Speaker 1: up and said, oh, there's a tape of this, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, some of these are
Speaker 1: coming from the same source area, which would be Courtney Burgess.
Speaker 3: Okay, so so, so that's why Diddy is going after Courtney.
Speaker 3: I think there's uh did he has connection to the
Speaker 3: outside world. Of course, like many other powerful inmates, he
Speaker 3: can get messages across and I think there are some
Speaker 3: people doing his bidding. I think ray J for a
Speaker 3: while was somebody that was speaking up too loudly, and
Speaker 3: I think somebody got a hold of him and did
Speaker 3: Hey's camp and straightened him out, because now he's acting like.
Speaker 2: Ah, there's none of this stuff ever happened. You know,
Speaker 2: it's all allegend. I've never been there. Suddenly all these
Speaker 2: people and these packed mansions weren't at the free go
Speaker 2: part his bullshit. So many of them been there, you know,
Speaker 2: Jamie Fox, down the line, They've all been there. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure how many slabs are gonna be dragged in.
Speaker 2: And I really fear and you know the you know
Speaker 2: the law better than I do. Here's what bothers me.
Speaker 3: There's no SVU interviews, no special victims, general interviews of victims, there.
Speaker 2: Are no rape kits, there are no there's no DNA.
Speaker 2: I fear that all that stuff out there. When push
Speaker 2: comes to shove did, He's not gonna go away for
Speaker 2: a long time at all.
Speaker 1: I Look, I have a lot of different sources like
Speaker 1: around Diddy, Kmora Courtney. I mean, look, I don't trust people,
Speaker 1: and they just say, hey, I know a bunch of stuff,
Speaker 1: and I got a bunch of tapes, Like I don't
Speaker 1: just believe you. So I go behind your back a
Speaker 1: little and I start vetting it right, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: right now. I got another source saying everybody's on the tapes. Everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe it. I believe And I wonder if
Speaker 2: P Diddy is going to provide evidence to indict the
Speaker 2: higher ups in the sleazy show business all really get
Speaker 2: the Jeffrey Epstein treatment, because I you know, I've always
Speaker 2: heard for years that Diddy was somebody that was untouchable
Speaker 2: because he had.
Speaker 3: Relationships with the Feds. And and look, we can go
Speaker 3: back to the Tupac Shakor murder. Another guy ran with
Speaker 3: Biggie Smalls Tupac's I mean, Diddy's fingerprints have always been
Speaker 3: around those stories. And now I don't think he's guilty
Speaker 3: in the Tupac thing, but.
Speaker 2: You know, he's just he's a round too much sordid
Speaker 2: ship and now he's really.
Speaker 1: Well because look when you have Shug Knight and Diddy, right,
Speaker 1: you had the two of them, their market share was
Speaker 1: like half of hip hop together. So yeah, Snoop was
Speaker 1: very close with Diddy. I photos of him. He was
Speaker 1: there with Biggie like Tupac was. There's more evidence, first
Speaker 1: of all, for Sewn Combs against the murder of Tupac
Speaker 1: than there is. Really it's Biggie, Yeah, yeah, really, he's way.
Speaker 2: He was in the car. Wasn't he in the car
Speaker 2: behind Biggie or in front of Biggie? No, no, no, I
Speaker 2: think he was hold on gold.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is on the Tupac murder, there's more
Speaker 1: evidence that Sean Combs was possibly conspiring to have either
Speaker 1: Shrunk or Tupac killed. There's more evidence than saying he
Speaker 1: had Biggie killed. I don't think he had anything to
Speaker 1: do with Biggie's murder. He was in the car in
Speaker 1: front of Biggie, but.
Speaker 3: In front and I'm surprised you don't think I'm surprised
Speaker 3: I really think I thought you'd find that.
Speaker 2: Very odd that he's there and the reunions. I went
Speaker 2: to the reunion tour and I said to my nephew,
Speaker 2: this is all bullshit. He just he I mean, he said,
Speaker 2: but he wants to take over this business in such
Speaker 2: a such a big way. This reunion tour for Biggie,
Speaker 2: I'll be missing you. I thought that was all horseshit.
Speaker 1: I understand that. But what I'm saying is, I did
Speaker 1: a video about Biggie on Cinema's TV. If people want
Speaker 1: to look at it, what's what's it called? Cinemills TV, Cinemon.
Speaker 2: Cinemons, Okay, Cinema.
Speaker 1: Cinemills Cinemons TV. And I have a lot of evidence,
Speaker 1: sources that Biggie was killed by some dirty l A P. D.
Speaker 1: Rampart cops that worked for that, worked for you know who.
Speaker 1: So to me, like, I think Sean Combs really did
Speaker 1: love Biggie, and I don't think he would want that
Speaker 1: was his cash cow man, Like, you're not, yeah, what
Speaker 1: I mean, You're not gonna offer that guy?
Speaker 2: There's no and did he was not?
Speaker 1: He launched Diddy. I think he launched right.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, I know in a way, You're right,
Speaker 3: and and did he was not making a dime off
Speaker 3: of Tupac's music with with I sug it's interesting, you know.
Speaker 2: I I I went to I don't know how many
Speaker 2: people went to.
Speaker 3: Tupac's room, and I was with him when he got
Speaker 3: shot the first I wasn't with him, but I was
Speaker 3: friends with him when he got shot the first time
Speaker 3: in that studio, which has a lot of Diddy fingerprints.
Speaker 3: On that night as well, Jiman talks about Jimmy Jimmy
Speaker 3: Henchman in my in my day.
Speaker 2: He was a bad dude and Tupac didn't like him
Speaker 2: at all. He said that name to me, that he's
Speaker 2: no good.
Speaker 3: And I'd gotten some I gotten some dirt on Henchman
Speaker 3: and uh Madonna's friends, but they all knew each other,
Speaker 3: and I gave Tupacs of information and he kept it
Speaker 3: close to him. But he told me in the hospital,
Speaker 3: I was with Mickey Rourke, Tupac and Tupac's mom, and
Speaker 3: he said, he said, these motherfuckers aren't going to miss
Speaker 3: the next time, and his mother wrote down in tears,
Speaker 3: and you know, and he just he always knew it,
Speaker 3: and I just I love that guy. And I just
Speaker 3: think right now, if he were alive, Black Lives Matter
Speaker 3: maybe would have had a better leader that made more
Speaker 3: of a difference in their cause, whatever you want to
Speaker 3: call it.
Speaker 2: And him not being here, it says he would have
Speaker 2: been fifty five or fifty four right now. It's amazing
Speaker 2: how time flies. What do you have any deep information about? Well,
Speaker 2: do you think that Courtney Burgess is full of shit?
Speaker 2: Completely is? Did he have any shot at this?
Speaker 1: The way I say it now is because so much
Speaker 1: has happened since when I first met him almost a
Speaker 1: year ago. Now it's been a while. It's took a
Speaker 1: long time for me to trust him, for him to
Speaker 1: trust me. I didn't know who he was at first.
Speaker 1: They only showed me pages of this book where I
Speaker 1: didn't know if it was real. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: it's really solatious, some crazy stuff. Was Kim writing a book?
Speaker 1: Was she trying to write a semi fictionalized novel? So
Speaker 1: I figure out what it was. But like I said
Speaker 1: on another interview, I did pretty recently. I have to
Speaker 1: believe him. I have to right now. I'm already committed.
Speaker 1: I have to believe did He's a bad guy. I
Speaker 1: have to believe kid porter. If somebody proves that the
Speaker 1: book's faith there's no tapes, then prove it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get you.
Speaker 3: The only the only the only problem is a criminal
Speaker 3: case can't start with a civil lawsuit.
Speaker 2: For money in a country like America where the accused
Speaker 2: still have rights. So did he did.
Speaker 3: He's lawyers had to do what they had to do.
Speaker 3: You know, he's still I mean, we'd all fight back
Speaker 3: if we had that kind of money. And who the
Speaker 3: hell wants to be he's trying to jail off.
Speaker 1: He's trying to scare off podcasters because he named Sean
Speaker 1: Atwood and I think Tommy. He's naming their podcasters. It's
Speaker 1: a it's the same thing Erlic did. It's a shot
Speaker 1: across the bow. So when you google their names, you're like,
Speaker 1: want suit, lawsuit?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get you. I'm glad you mentioned char I
Speaker 2: want to get to that in a second. But first, well,
Speaker 2: let's actually you.
Speaker 3: We met because you had inside information on OJ, and
Speaker 3: you had always alleged and kept telling me that OJ
Speaker 3: got helped out and from a friend Charlie Erlick.
Speaker 2: You detailed it. You spelled it out for me. I could.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going back now a long time. When
Speaker 3: this thing happened, I covered as a journalist.
Speaker 2: I went in a trial.
Speaker 3: Of course, I think, OHJ did it. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to say he didn't have any help. But tell the
Speaker 3: folks a little bit about Charlie Erlick. And by the way,
Speaker 3: before you go for Diddy, has the right the right
Speaker 3: thing in mind, because I was a journalist for many
Speaker 3: years for many different newspapers, and it was a very
Speaker 3: different thing. When you wrote a story, you had three
Speaker 3: lawyers looking at it before I went to press, your
Speaker 3: editor in chief. Nothing got into paper until it was
Speaker 3: nine ways till Sunday checked out. I'm in the podcast
Speaker 3: business now for eight years and it is the fucking
Speaker 3: wild West.
Speaker 2: Yes, the things we say and.
Speaker 3: Don't have any few eight years I'm doing this and
Speaker 3: one person at me, Bethany Frankel. I mean, I say
Speaker 3: some crazy shit, no one comes at you. It's gonna change,
Speaker 3: and it probably should. But you always told me that
Speaker 3: Charlie Irlick helped OJ that night. Tell me tell the
Speaker 3: folks a little bit because I know lawyers drag you
Speaker 3: left and right over this. But give us the quick
Speaker 3: story about the OJ trial. The O J murder case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I mean Charlie.
Speaker 2: Charlie Earl.
Speaker 1: I'll give you the brief, the brief version. Yeah, about
Speaker 1: seven years ago, supposedly Charlie came forward to a producer
Speaker 1: who was a friend of mine, a business associate. And
Speaker 1: and I didn't know who Charlie Lick was. I didn't
Speaker 1: know he was in the Vegas robbery. I had no
Speaker 1: idea who he was. I knew who oj was, of course.
Speaker 1: And after this producer had said to me, look, I
Speaker 1: saw what you did on Natalie Wood, and you know,
Speaker 1: I see you got balls of Steel. You know, we
Speaker 1: got this crazy thing coming down the park. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: what is it. Well, it's oja. And at first it
Speaker 1: turned my stomach. I'm like, nobody wants oja.
Speaker 2: No, I was. I was just saying that.
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I said that verbatim, nobody wants
Speaker 1: to see the murders played out in a movie. He
Speaker 1: and he pulled his eyes like kind of like uh,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what's up? Hold on? And it took
Speaker 1: a few months for me to come back to him
Speaker 1: because I shut him down. He's like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: have it yet. It's still we're still working out the
Speaker 1: script and the tape, and I'm like, okay, whatever. Months
Speaker 1: go by and I tell this story. I'm in a
Speaker 1: restaurant and I got a couple of beers and I
Speaker 1: was a little kind of what was that guy? What
Speaker 1: was he talking about? And I said, Oh, my god,
Speaker 1: there's somebody else there. And that's what it was. And
Speaker 1: when I went in the next day, Yeah, I went
Speaker 1: in the like Monday morning. He's like, come in Monday,
Speaker 1: you're gonna read the script. Turn your phone off, give
Speaker 1: me your phone and read it.
Speaker 2: I read it.
Speaker 1: My ed flew off my shoulders.
Speaker 2: And the basic Charlie so and basically just the quick
Speaker 2: version of Charlie. He had tell the folks how he
Speaker 2: got involved with the truck and the murder and was
Speaker 2: he first on the SCENEO with with OJ to become
Speaker 2: later something happened.
Speaker 1: So basically, and look, I'm I'm gonna speak as if
Speaker 1: Charlie's saying his confession to you instead of my investigation
Speaker 1: and the footprints and the finger that's that's a muffin
Speaker 1: of stuff. We're not even gonna get into that. He
Speaker 1: said he was there. He did early on tape that
Speaker 1: he was there that he went to OJ's because he
Speaker 1: owed him money for Joey at Ballito. And when he
Speaker 1: showed up, yeah you, OJ's like, no, no, no, we're
Speaker 1: going into cooles. Get in the Bronco. He drove to
Speaker 1: OJ's by himself, christ and then I've always said.
Speaker 2: And they go.
Speaker 1: They drive together in the Bronco, and Irla tells you
Speaker 1: that on tape in his screenplay. We we get in
Speaker 1: and go over there, and OJ says the same thing
Speaker 1: and as if I did it book and in his interview,
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm broad stroking this thing. So we
Speaker 1: get in the Bronco. Way over we they told you
Speaker 1: you just had to like listen.
Speaker 2: How how come nobody I can't believe he wasn't approached.
Speaker 1: Because he left it in his last name. So he
Speaker 1: kept saying Charlie Brock, Charlie followed this guy Ron Goldman.
Speaker 1: He's saying these things, and everybody's like, oh, Charlie's OJ's guys.
Speaker 1: And then Pablo Fens who lied about this. This is
Speaker 1: where Pablo jud Reagan were the culprits of this fraud.
Speaker 1: I met Pop. I called him up and I go,
Speaker 1: you need to come clean or I'm gonna out you.
Speaker 1: He's like, who are you? He's like, what's up? You
Speaker 1: got ten seconds? And he's like, well, what's going on, dude?
Speaker 1: And I go, I go listen. I'm gonna ask you
Speaker 1: one question. I only need to and I'm gonna leave
Speaker 1: you alone because if you don't answer it, I will
Speaker 1: blow up your world. I'll blow it up. I swear
Speaker 1: the guy did yeah, And I go like this, I go, Papa,
Speaker 1: did OJ say the name Charlie? Or did you say
Speaker 1: it in the book? And he paused for a sec
Speaker 1: O J see, but he had cooled everybody in his
Speaker 1: interviews that he well, let's call him Charlie. Do you
Speaker 1: think a narcissist like O. J. Simpson would let you
Speaker 1: just pick a name? No, dude, no, no way, no Charlie.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I got and listen. I I went to I
Speaker 2: can't think of his last name. And now I'm so
Speaker 2: pissed off. Mark.
Speaker 3: He was in the suzand oj Oj suicide letters in
Speaker 3: New Yorker. When I was living in New York, great
Speaker 3: guy ran a restaurant. Yeah, Mark Packer, he ran a
Speaker 3: restaurant called Angelo and Maxie Steakhouse. Great guy had a
Speaker 3: big party with night, beautiful penhouse after the murders, and
Speaker 3: I'm in the room, beautiful and this old of him
Speaker 3: and OJ and Nicole and Mexico and ski slopes, and
Speaker 3: I wanted to approach him as a friend.
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, I'm sorry, Mark, you know what a
Speaker 2: you know, maybe he didn't do it. And Mark said,
Speaker 2: of course he did it, just to pick the shit
Speaker 2: out of it. Of course he killed it.
Speaker 3: But that's like my best friend saying that to you
Speaker 3: after I'm you know, so I walked away, going, well,
Speaker 3: now that's concrete proof I didn't think about having help.
Speaker 3: OJ is a big enough and strong enough guy. Plus,
Speaker 3: like I said many times, you uh you see, Marcus
Speaker 3: Allen is fucking your ex wife, Nicole. Kidman, he's driving
Speaker 3: your other he's driving your car around town. Uh you
Speaker 3: you uh you Paul Barberie who I went out with
Speaker 3: and kept calling me OJ instead of AJ.
Speaker 2: Which was funny. Uh, they break up. She she breaks up.
Speaker 3: She's with Michael Bolton. OHJ comes back. There's no chair
Speaker 3: for him at his daughter's recital.
Speaker 2: He's on blow.
Speaker 3: Someone's gonna get fucked up that night. So obviously he
Speaker 3: went and did. Remember what I saw the pictures.
Speaker 1: And remember what OJ told Nicole if you ever sleep
Speaker 1: with Marcus Allen, I will kill you.
Speaker 2: That was it. That's that's what he is.
Speaker 3: That And look, she didn't just sleep with them on
Speaker 3: the sly. There were candles in the window. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was like a you know, they were having a
Speaker 3: great time together.
Speaker 2: Uh And that's just probably O Jay's because of any
Speaker 2: athlete in the world.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing with Kardashian. So when Kardashian hires
Speaker 1: the guy Bill was to take photos of Nicole for
Speaker 1: two days, when he comes back to Kardashian, he gives
Speaker 1: him a picture of Nicole kissing Marcus Allen at Tony
Speaker 1: Roma's and it's over game, over.
Speaker 2: Done done and the four months. Is there any proof
Speaker 2: do you think that there was a lot of I mean,
Speaker 2: I know they were all doing cocaine. I know that
Speaker 2: Goldman probably was one of those guys.
Speaker 3: A lot of waiters in La Yeah, can get your
Speaker 3: coke if you want, of course, so he probably was
Speaker 3: one of those guys extra money on the side. Do
Speaker 3: you think that they all do you think that there's
Speaker 3: there's any truth to them the story that there was
Speaker 3: a big cocaine that that Nicole allegedly owned.
Speaker 2: I do. And the first story was a Colombian guy
Speaker 2: you know, was gonna kill her and put her tongue
Speaker 2: through a neck, which didn't happen. But I've seen the
Speaker 2: pictures in color, and it's the worst thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: The cole if you, if you, if you go.
Speaker 1: By everything, the totality of the evidence and Charlie's story,
Speaker 1: Ippolito story. When Alex Constantine did the story about the
Speaker 1: Florida Hollywood mob connection early on, when you look back,
Speaker 1: you're like, wait a minute, wait, is this real. I
Speaker 1: do believe that Ippolito set an extortion to trap all them,
Speaker 1: Like you guys, owe me money. I don't care who
Speaker 1: you are, because remember if Alito was on the run
Speaker 1: in June of ninety five, he was a fugitive, he
Speaker 1: needed money cash.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know much about it. Believe
Speaker 2: he's a Florida mobster. I don't background.
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, Joey was de Cavo Conte. He was big,
Speaker 1: he knew Meyer Lance erased the race boats.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, okay, oh those guys, you know he's a
Speaker 2: brutal guy. Those are They don't give a fun.
Speaker 1: Though they don't get yo exactly and now, and you know.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much further we can go. So
Speaker 3: where are you with the Charlie Irlok story? The OJ start?
Speaker 3: What's going to happen next?
Speaker 2: Do you think? You know?
Speaker 1: The media has blocked me for years and and I'm
Speaker 1: not going to hard on it. So you're supposed to
Speaker 1: go to trial. The judge in the case in the
Speaker 1: Eleventh Circuit Court told them to go to mediation. Okay,
Speaker 1: you don't want them to go to trial, but right
Speaker 1: now teetering, it's been three and a half years since
Speaker 1: the lawsuit, so I've already been to posed.
Speaker 3: No, yep, I got to post Jesus and they're they're
Speaker 3: got yeah, but you got a mouth like me.
Speaker 2: Once it's on, it keeps running. You know, you gotta
Speaker 2: be really composed of this thought asking questions like that.
Speaker 2: But well they talk about so they.
Speaker 1: Tell you, I'll tell you this in the deposition, I'll
Speaker 1: tell tell you this. I thought I was going to
Speaker 1: be there for hours and hours at about forty minutes
Speaker 1: in because I have a copy of it too. Once
Speaker 1: we started to get to evidence, why do you say, Earl?
Speaker 1: They were like, we're done have a good day by
Speaker 1: buying over.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got to tell you know. In a
Speaker 2: similar story, I was very close to Hobby Weinstein. My
Speaker 2: book deal got me TV money, bought the rights to
Speaker 2: my life. Basically, he was always good to me. I
Speaker 2: knew he got laid. He's a big producer. I didn't
Speaker 2: know these raping chicks. I did not know that. People
Speaker 2: think I'm said, I didn't know it. When his whole
Speaker 2: thing was coming down, he had asked me one day.
Speaker 3: I was coaching my son's soccer team and I got
Speaker 3: a text, come see me at the Four Seasons into
Speaker 3: Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2: What's wrong? I need you because I help. I helped
Speaker 2: him like fifteen years early with some bullshit. He was
Speaker 2: fucking around his wife with Georgina Chapman. I silenced that story.
Speaker 2: Gave me one hundred grand for that. Oh nice, crazy days.
Speaker 2: But yeah, of across the year, but it's still ten
Speaker 2: grand a month. So I need you to help. I
Speaker 2: raced for the Four Seasons, he said the right, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a big magazine story about me about what
Speaker 2: you know. Just thid I'm a bully and I'm tough
Speaker 2: and all right because I need you to find that
Speaker 2: who's writing it. I'll pay you twenty thousand a month. Wow,
Speaker 2: just like I said, Fuck, I'll find out. And then
Speaker 2: I went home. I told my wife at that point,
Speaker 2: this is fucking big.
Speaker 3: I gotta And then I heard Rose McGowan made a
Speaker 3: comment about my boyfriend sold the script to probably Weinstein
Speaker 3: and bah, bah sold the script to a rapist he
Speaker 3: raped me?
Speaker 2: And I said, that's got to be Harvey. And her
Speaker 2: boyfriend was what's his name, Robert Rodriguez. So I got it,
Speaker 2: a Harvey, is this about rape? No, No, it's not right.
Speaker 2: But then he said, well, yeah, it might be accusations.
Speaker 2: I said, I can't help your heart.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So get this, I actually said to him, because one
Speaker 3: night he texted me, I said, he goes, help me please.
Speaker 2: I said, look, I found that Ronan Fowlers writing the piece.
Speaker 2: He's dating the former speech writer for Barack Obama. He's
Speaker 2: a Hollywood liberal, his mother's famous. You got no shot here, Harvey,
Speaker 2: I said, can you think that? Were you ever molested
Speaker 2: as a child by your rabbi or an uncle? He
Speaker 2: says no.
Speaker 3: Then he goes, well, yeah, but I can't talk about
Speaker 3: so I said, maybe you should talk about just giving
Speaker 3: some advice, but I said, I can't help.
Speaker 2: I backed up.
Speaker 3: But the point is, these people, from Harvey to OJ
Speaker 3: to Diddy to Epstein.
Speaker 2: How do we ever wrangle these guys up and get
Speaker 2: them down?
Speaker 3: It takes years, and there's so many more of them
Speaker 3: out there, and money, money Anyhow, You've been very good
Speaker 3: about Kurt Cobain's death. I did a show on it
Speaker 3: several months back based on what you said on you
Speaker 3: on YouTube interviews that you did were very informing and
Speaker 3: not a suicide. You say, you completely spelled out while
Speaker 3: you think it was a murder how it went down.
Speaker 3: I saw the Netflix special, and of course I feel
Speaker 3: the same way. Anything we do on that front.
Speaker 1: Is that ever gonna do anywhere anything? That thing's got
Speaker 1: a lot of scheme. If people go online and they
Speaker 1: google like Joe Burns Kurt Cobain, or they go to
Speaker 1: YouTube who killed Kurt. There's also a website who killed
Speaker 1: Kurt dot org. These people have really picked up some
Speaker 1: of the steam that I have. They're doing a great
Speaker 1: job in the media is blocking them, and they're trying
Speaker 1: to tell witnesses come forward that he was there the
Speaker 1: night Kurt was killed, and there was many people over
Speaker 1: the people over five people were at the house, I
Speaker 1: know the night he died. None of them are all
Speaker 1: drug addicts.
Speaker 2: That's the part that makes you makes your story sounds
Speaker 2: absolutely brilliant. How do you not investigate these people? They're
Speaker 2: all drug addicts. Kurt had given them money or not.
Speaker 3: Kurt Courtney had said to rehab one or two of
Speaker 3: them immediately, you know, like good gestures here and there.
Speaker 2: That story is just a sin.
Speaker 1: And yeah, she was given money for me I lived
Speaker 1: with Yeah, Like, and I.
Speaker 2: Don't blame I lived in our building.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you look at my stories on Cobain, I
Speaker 1: don't really say her name. I want I don't want
Speaker 1: anything to do with her. I'm focused on the people
Speaker 1: that are at the house. She's that's the peninsula in LA.
Speaker 1: She's not in Seattle. Yeah, so she's not there, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a crazy case.
Speaker 2: That one is almost How did the cops how do
Speaker 2: they not go ahead continue going? Okay, remember to say this.
Speaker 1: Let's remember OJ June twelfth, nineteen ninety four. Kirk Cobain
Speaker 1: April eighth, supposedly nineteen ninety four, right before two months
Speaker 1: before OJ was Cobain, So right, people are kind of suspicious.
Speaker 1: Then Oj happens shut down Cobain. Who who?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's it's unbelievable. That's why I tell people
Speaker 3: there was no better time to be a gossip reporter
Speaker 3: than the nineties. Brothers to Kurk Cobain, John Bunny Ramsay,
Speaker 3: it was every day every week?
Speaker 2: Who was Ja the Fuco?
Speaker 3: Mary Mary Kay Liturno too? But it didn't end so uh,
Speaker 3: speaking of that, You've got a great information on John
Speaker 3: Bunny Ramsey. And I'm fascinated by this case because it's
Speaker 3: very similar to me in the respect that I don't know.
Speaker 2: How cops just didn't do their fucking job with Kurt.
Speaker 2: How do you not go in the uh what was
Speaker 2: it called the greenhouse? Yeah? How do you not go
Speaker 2: in another part of the home to check for a body?
Speaker 2: How do you just disregard that.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the p I? Yeah, the PI who
Speaker 1: he's because well, I'll tell you this right now, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to get sued. I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: his name. I'm just gonna say this. Those people they
Speaker 1: knew he was in the greenhouse, They saw him in
Speaker 1: the greenhouse before he was found. And also when that
Speaker 1: person says, wellhy did it look because it was raining
Speaker 1: and it was a light blasting in my face. No, no,
Speaker 1: you did see it. You just can't say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's that. That brings me to uh John
Speaker 3: Benny Ramsey. I watched this the Netflix special to docu series.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't.
Speaker 3: Again, I don't think cops did their job the right way.
Speaker 3: I find the father very suspect. The mother the suicide note.
Speaker 3: I can't discount her because she wrote the note allegedly.
Speaker 2: What do you think is going on? I think the
Speaker 2: father was involved and maybe he was holding the girl out.
Speaker 2: That's just what I feel. What do you feel? No?
Speaker 1: This is this is how we built it because I
Speaker 1: have another partner on Johnny. This is how it's built.
Speaker 1: We don't care about John Ramsey. If John Ramsey did
Speaker 1: know something, I'll tell you why. First of all, he's
Speaker 1: still alive. Okay, He's beat people in defamation suits, he's
Speaker 1: beat people, he took a guy's house, Okay, So we
Speaker 1: don't want anything with John Ramsey. We never accused John
Speaker 1: Ramsey of anything, Okay. It's Patsy Ramsey that we're accusing. Okay,
Speaker 1: and so was Joe Burley your thing with you know
Speaker 1: John Ramsey and Netflix. You know you guys want to
Speaker 1: tell a story, go ahead. They lied about the evidence,
Speaker 1: They make blatant lies, and people like Alex Hunter, Mary
Speaker 1: Lacey they try to say all this DNA. I've challenged
Speaker 1: Joe Berlinger and John Ramsey to a debate on television
Speaker 1: anywhere they want, any day of the week, and I'll
Speaker 1: prove to you who killed John Mane Ramsey.
Speaker 3: Wow, I, I I'm sure you're right. Here's what I
Speaker 3: find various suspect. The fact that they didn't go in
Speaker 3: that was it called a wine room like beyond the
Speaker 3: room where she was older.
Speaker 1: They call it the wine.
Speaker 2: Wine cellar. Okay uh.
Speaker 3: The fact that the way he talked about it on
Speaker 3: the special made me sick. And and the way when
Speaker 3: the when he when the body of John Benney was
Speaker 3: taken outside, he didn't cradle that child like what parent
Speaker 3: wouldn't cradle your dead child. He held it out like
Speaker 3: he was holding a dog who's just gonna take a
Speaker 3: shit on. How do you hold your kid like that? Well,
Speaker 3: that to me means that there's something this guy knows.
Speaker 2: Well. When when when I talked suspect.
Speaker 1: I did another interview on Cinemo's TV about John Bennet.
Speaker 1: People can check it out. The way I say it
Speaker 1: is obviously he gets it when the parents are home
Speaker 1: and you say there's DNA on John Benet that is
Speaker 1: of the parents, that actually helps the parents because she
Speaker 1: lives there.
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you in a week or so and
Speaker 3: we'll get back on track, well what's happen. By then
Speaker 3: there'll be more Diddy news. I'm sure Chris Todd, everybody
Speaker 3: the best, best PI out there.