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<v Speaker 1>From Workhouse Connect and aj Benza.

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<v Speaker 2>Fame. He'd liked to be walked on a leash and

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<v Speaker 2>play really dirty, kinky sex games. Is uh the guy

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<v Speaker 2>put the cock in the Peacock network.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, bitch, Hey, everybody aj Benzi here with fame is

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<v Speaker 3>a bitch. This is your Let's call it a free

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<v Speaker 3>podcast from Monday, January twenty seven, twenty twenty five. We're

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<v Speaker 3>taping this on Friday afternoon, the twenty fifth, twenty fourth. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm speaking to a good buddy mine, a great private

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<v Speaker 3>investigator and somebody that's been raising a lot of a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people's attention. And Chris Todd. You've seen him

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<v Speaker 3>on YouTube. I've talked about how you doing, buddy. I've

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<v Speaker 3>talked about Chris in the past with some of the stories,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'll get to how we met, but briefly, Chris

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<v Speaker 3>was at the front of the O. J. Simpson case

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<v Speaker 3>with the Cole and Ronald Goldman and always believed that

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<v Speaker 3>there was somebody who helped OJ out.

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<v Speaker 2>He's made that very public.

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<v Speaker 3>He was always on my ass to go with the

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<v Speaker 3>story and I was telling him, no one cares about OJ.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about three years ago, four years ago, maybe, but

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<v Speaker 2>he kept hit.

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<v Speaker 3>Me and hit me, and you know, as it went on,

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<v Speaker 3>I was getting more and more intrigued.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll probably dip into that afterward.

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<v Speaker 3>But I wanted to talk to you, Chris up front

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<v Speaker 3>today because you were somebody very instrumental.

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<v Speaker 2>In the P. Diddy case. You managed to get your

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<v Speaker 2>hands on his ex Kim Porter's diary. There.

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<v Speaker 3>It is great book. It was flying off the shelves

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<v Speaker 3>at Amazon beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>And you look. I knew Kim. We were friendly, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think I told you one night at a nightclub

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<v Speaker 2>she wanted to hang out with me, and her girlfriend

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<v Speaker 2>said she likes you, and I said, I know who

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<v Speaker 2>you are. You're Diddy's girl, and she laughed and said,

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<v Speaker 2>don't worry about him. Here's my number.

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<v Speaker 1>Call me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I never called, Thank goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>Who the hell knows what happened, But listen, there's an

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<v Speaker 3>explosive situation going on.

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<v Speaker 2>As of the other day.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously you guys know, maybe maybe some of you don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>but P did. He filed a defamation lawsuit in New

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<v Speaker 3>York federal court against basically News Nation, Courtney Burgess, who's

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<v Speaker 3>the manager, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Her his attorney, Ariel Mitchell, did. He is saying that

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<v Speaker 2>these people fueled a media frenzy, fabricated claims that are

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<v Speaker 2>outstanding of landish, and they're stirring up basic speculation.

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<v Speaker 3>He's looking for fifty million dollars. I can tell you

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<v Speaker 3>what his lawyers say, but it's all bullshit. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>three lawyers talk. That's how they make their money. Chris

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<v Speaker 3>contacted me a couple of days ago and said, you

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<v Speaker 3>want you want this story you want to talk about

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<v Speaker 3>of course I do. I've been at the forefront of

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<v Speaker 3>the P Didy stuff. I said twenty five, twenty six

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<v Speaker 3>years ago. He's a bad guy. People are dead because

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<v Speaker 3>of P Diddy, and people took that like, what is

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<v Speaker 3>a talking about here?

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<v Speaker 2>Or here we are?

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<v Speaker 3>So tell me what you feel about this lawsuit. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>get into Kim's book in a minute, because I know

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<v Speaker 3>it's back up. You put it back on Amazon right.

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<v Speaker 1>Not Amazon, It's on a website called Silvercoastpros dot com

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<v Speaker 1>p rs E No, no p r S professionals. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>favor a post pros doc Silver.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll make sure they know that. Tell me what you

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<v Speaker 3>feel of what you may know, because you know awfully

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<v Speaker 3>good stuff about this particular situation with Dinny or this

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<v Speaker 3>lawsuit in general.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you notice this lawsuit is talking about the book. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So and I can say these things now. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of you and I talked before this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Really you got to put out some word and I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. You did. You talked about this a long

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<v Speaker 1>time ago, and so obviously now it's different. I was

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<v Speaker 1>partly connected Ariel Mitchell. I was partly connected with a

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<v Speaker 1>more connected with Courtney Burgess because Courtney was the one

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<v Speaker 1>who brought me the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he gay? Is he gay?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I just thought he might be.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, go ahead, so so and then I can

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<v Speaker 1>say this too now because it's already out there. But

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney had purported that Kimora Lee Simmons was the source.

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<v Speaker 3>I just was with Kimora Lee three days ago my

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<v Speaker 3>son's basketball game. Her son fathered by Jaiman Hansu. The

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<v Speaker 3>six foot seven inch kido.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a freshman. Wow, good ballplayer. But I'm gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>kim on the show later on this month, So continue

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<v Speaker 2>to go ahead, and look.

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<v Speaker 1>I like Kimora. I'm not trying out anybody if she

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<v Speaker 1>wants to deny it that's her right to deny it.

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<v Speaker 1>When you know this, when you're in scandal stories, you

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<v Speaker 1>know somebody might say, yeah, I got them involved, and

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<v Speaker 1>they say I'm not involved, and they're not. Like you

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<v Speaker 1>said before, you're not going to tell you everything. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to reveal all the cards. So basically I

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<v Speaker 1>could never say her name in the beginning, so it was, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I had two sources, and I start with a black

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<v Speaker 1>guy and then it's somebody else. I didn't say a

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<v Speaker 1>female anyway, that's Courtney Burgess, kim Or at least.

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<v Speaker 3>And Kimora. Wow, Kamara's usually quiet. I'm surprised she she

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<v Speaker 3>did this.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason. Look, it's so messy now with this lawsuit

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<v Speaker 1>that News Nation got entangled in. Ariel was involved. She

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<v Speaker 1>loves it. I mean, she wants to take trants to

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<v Speaker 1>slay the dragon on Diddy? So did he just gave

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<v Speaker 1>her and Courtney subpoena power, which is crazy? That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>not good for him. But anyway, I think Kimor needs

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<v Speaker 1>to talk, she needs she needs to come forward.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have her on. I'm gonna make her talk.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, let's see what she was very close to

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<v Speaker 3>kim obviously. When I was dating a girlfriend back in

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<v Speaker 3>New York, there were she was very close to Russell

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<v Speaker 3>Simmons and Andre Herrel.

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<v Speaker 2>I was friends with Albi, Sure, very close with Albi.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew about Jada Pinket and Will Smith because they

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<v Speaker 3>invited Albi to a sex party.

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<v Speaker 2>He invited me.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to go. This is thirty years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>he went, I mean I know all the shit, I

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<v Speaker 3>know all the ship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So what Albi got his lawyers on you to take

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<v Speaker 3>that book off Amazon, costing you at least one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars, It cost.

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<v Speaker 1>Me five hundred grand Jesus Christ at least.

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<v Speaker 2>And now what so how is it able to be

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<v Speaker 2>on a different website now? Is he still going to

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<v Speaker 2>come after you again?

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked to his lawyer a couple of times. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not a bad guy. Actually, it's the same lawyer from

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<v Speaker 1>the Charlie thing. Yeah, from the O. J.

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<v Speaker 2>Simpson situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally in the seas and desist that he wrote to

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Jasse and to Jeff Bezos that have a copy

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<v Speaker 1>of he lists me on the Erlik thing saying this

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<v Speaker 1>is what this guy does. And I was like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just tied in both of the Okay, whatever, But

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<v Speaker 1>my point is Robert Hampton is a good guy. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a funny guy. I know, I know, I know him

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<v Speaker 1>for years. Yeah, he's a good guy. I've known you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll be sure. I've no issue with Robert Hammond.

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<v Speaker 1>I put I put the book back up because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be silenced. I'm not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>told I can't sell books if he and and and

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<v Speaker 1>he's xed out in the book. This is the person

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<v Speaker 1>that's up.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not moving over, move it to your move this

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<v Speaker 3>moving close. Kim's Kim's lost words, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And the second one is called what what's the other

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<v Speaker 2>one called.

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<v Speaker 1>The original was the R rated version was called tell

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<v Speaker 1>tell it All.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I did my book, I actually xed out

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff about alb. Now, look, he's only in the

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<v Speaker 1>book for like two pages. The book's not about him.

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<v Speaker 1>So I decided that for Kim and I believe it's real.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody proves me it's fake, then prove it then

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm all yours.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, you know, he's very protective of Kim. Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>they have a child together, And did he did he

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<v Speaker 2>adopted that child? Am I right?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? But Alb says there was no adoption because okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I just said that in the Peacock documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I didn't see that yet. Okay, Well, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>That you should check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't check it out, you know. And and I've

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<v Speaker 2>said this before, many people know, but all the people

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<v Speaker 2>at Bad Boy Records from Heavy D I'll be short.

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<v Speaker 2>Kim Porter dead, dead dead, Albi goes and goes Nokoma

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<v Speaker 2>was I mean basically dead, came back to life, Andre

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<v Speaker 2>Harrel dead, all the but kim Porter's death.

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<v Speaker 3>She lived about a mile and a half away from me,

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<v Speaker 3>in to Luca Lake. I went to the house when

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<v Speaker 3>I heard she died. I just wanted to see the scene. Pneumonia.

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<v Speaker 3>I had pneumonia. It's devastating. I was thirty days in

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<v Speaker 3>the hospital with surgery. Was I was on deathbed. There

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<v Speaker 3>was no medicine, pneumonia, medication in Kim's house, no nothing

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<v Speaker 3>in the night table. And if you're suffering for pneumonia,

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<v Speaker 3>it's painful and it's horrible. Nothing No one Hailer's There

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<v Speaker 3>was no iPad or iPhone on her bedroom. Naivel who

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<v Speaker 3>the fuck goes to bed like that these days, none

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<v Speaker 3>of nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they.

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<v Speaker 2>Which had a lot of incriminating evidence and.

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<v Speaker 1>The cups didn't come there for two hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the family was there first, like Diddy, Komoro

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<v Speaker 1>was there, Oh yeah, Cory Gamble, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Corey Gamble, he was there involved in it really.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he was like Diddy's No, he was justin Bieber's

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<v Speaker 1>tour manager.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows Chris Jenners, Chris Jenner's phony boyfriend, Corey Gamble.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, they're all connected and sorted.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's such a tangled web of bullshit phonies and lawyers.

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<v Speaker 3>But they want to be on top for so long

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<v Speaker 3>and make so much goddamn money and have so much

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<v Speaker 3>influence that you're seeing you now with the p Diddy parties.

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<v Speaker 2>You have told me in the past that you've seen videos.

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<v Speaker 1>Would I have to say things a certain way? Per

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<v Speaker 1>my Look?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, go ahead, go ahead. What can you say about

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<v Speaker 2>videos and stuch like that?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say, hypothetically, we believe these tapes.

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<v Speaker 2>Exist, Okay, And I think you're not the only one

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<v Speaker 2>have said that. There there are lawyers who said it.

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<v Speaker 2>Plenty of people out there have said.

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<v Speaker 1>It, but there's not a few people that have them.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you believe I was on to Jaguar that you

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<v Speaker 2>know Jaguar right? Yeah, crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>She was saying a lot of sensical things back in

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, she could be credit credible. Now that she's kind

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<v Speaker 3>But in the beginning she says some great things. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't believe for a second. There's a sex video of

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<v Speaker 3>Ditty and some other person that sold for five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>I don't buy that at all. No, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you would, you would see it.

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<v Speaker 2>You would see it.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know nowadays that unfortunately, the longer this takes

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<v Speaker 3>to go to trial, there are people that are bargaining

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<v Speaker 2>Allegedly on right and paying good money so they stay

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<v Speaker 2>out of the public eye. Do you do you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know that to be the case? So are

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<v Speaker 2>you familiar with that all?

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<v Speaker 1>Like when Daniel Baldwin went on Patrick Bette David and

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<v Speaker 1>said they're shopping these tapes around and Ariiel Mitchell went

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<v Speaker 1>up and said, oh, there's a tape of this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you right now, some of these are

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the same source area, which would be Courtney Burgess.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so so, so that's why Diddy is going after Courtney.

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<v Speaker 3>outside world. Of course, like many other powerful inmates, he

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<v Speaker 3>people doing his bidding. I think ray J for a

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<v Speaker 3>while was somebody that was speaking up too loudly, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think somebody got a hold of him and did

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<v Speaker 3>Hey's camp and straightened him out, because now he's acting like.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, there's none of this stuff ever happened. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all allegend. I've never been there. Suddenly all these

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<v Speaker 2>people and these packed mansions weren't at the free go

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<v Speaker 2>part his bullshit. So many of them been there, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie Fox, down the line, They've all been there. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure how many slabs are gonna be dragged in.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really fear and you know the you know

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<v Speaker 2>the law better than I do. Here's what bothers me.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no SVU interviews, no special victims, general interviews of victims, there.

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<v Speaker 2>Are no rape kits, there are no there's no DNA.

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<v Speaker 2>I fear that all that stuff out there. When push

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<v Speaker 2>comes to shove did, He's not gonna go away for

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<v Speaker 1>I Look, I have a lot of different sources like

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<v Speaker 1>around Diddy, Kmora Courtney. I mean, look, I don't trust people,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just say, hey, I know a bunch of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got a bunch of tapes, Like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>just believe you. So I go behind your back a

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<v Speaker 1>little and I start vetting it right, I'm telling you

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<v Speaker 1>right now. I got another source saying everybody's on the tapes. Everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe it. I believe And I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>P Diddy is going to provide evidence to indict the

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<v Speaker 2>higher ups in the sleazy show business all really get

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<v Speaker 2>the Jeffrey Epstein treatment, because I you know, I've always

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<v Speaker 2>heard for years that Diddy was somebody that was untouchable

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<v Speaker 2>because he had.

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<v Speaker 3>Relationships with the Feds. And and look, we can go

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<v Speaker 3>back to the Tupac Shakor murder. Another guy ran with

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<v Speaker 3>Biggie Smalls Tupac's I mean, Diddy's fingerprints have always been

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<v Speaker 3>around those stories. And now I don't think he's guilty

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<v Speaker 3>in the Tupac thing, but.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's just he's a round too much sordid

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<v Speaker 2>ship and now he's really.

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<v Speaker 1>Well because look when you have Shug Knight and Diddy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you had the two of them, their market share was

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<v Speaker 1>like half of hip hop together. So yeah, Snoop was

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<v Speaker 1>very close with Diddy. I photos of him. He was

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<v Speaker 1>there with Biggie like Tupac was. There's more evidence, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, for Sewn Combs against the murder of Tupac

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<v Speaker 1>than there is. Really it's Biggie, Yeah, yeah, really, he's way.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in the car. Wasn't he in the car

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<v Speaker 2>behind Biggie or in front of Biggie? No, no, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>think he was hold on gold.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying is on the Tupac murder, there's more

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that Sean Combs was possibly conspiring to have either

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<v Speaker 1>Shrunk or Tupac killed. There's more evidence than saying he

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<v Speaker 1>had Biggie killed. I don't think he had anything to

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<v Speaker 1>do with Biggie's murder. He was in the car in

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<v Speaker 1>front of Biggie, but.

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<v Speaker 3>In front and I'm surprised you don't think I'm surprised

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<v Speaker 3>I really think I thought you'd find that.

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<v Speaker 2>Very odd that he's there and the reunions. I went

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<v Speaker 2>to the reunion tour and I said to my nephew,

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<v Speaker 2>this is all bullshit. He just he I mean, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>but he wants to take over this business in such

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<v Speaker 2>a such a big way. This reunion tour for Biggie,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be missing you. I thought that was all horseshit.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that. But what I'm saying is, I did

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<v Speaker 1>a video about Biggie on Cinema's TV. If people want

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<v Speaker 1>to look at it, what's what's it called? Cinemills TV, Cinemon.

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<v Speaker 2>Cinemons, Okay, Cinema.

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<v Speaker 1>Cinemills Cinemons TV. And I have a lot of evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>sources that Biggie was killed by some dirty l A P. D.

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<v Speaker 1>Rampart cops that worked for that, worked for you know who.

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<v Speaker 1>So to me, like, I think Sean Combs really did

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<v Speaker 1>love Biggie, and I don't think he would want that

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<v Speaker 1>was his cash cow man, Like, you're not, yeah, what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, You're not gonna offer that guy?

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<v Speaker 2>There's no and did he was not?

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<v Speaker 1>He launched Diddy. I think he launched right.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, yeah, I know in a way, You're right,

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<v Speaker 3>and and did he was not making a dime off

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<v Speaker 3>of Tupac's music with with I sug it's interesting, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I I I went to I don't know how many

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<v Speaker 2>people went to.

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<v Speaker 3>Tupac's room, and I was with him when he got

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<v Speaker 3>shot the first I wasn't with him, but I was

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<v Speaker 3>friends with him when he got shot the first time

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<v Speaker 3>in that studio, which has a lot of Diddy fingerprints.

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<v Speaker 3>On that night as well, Jiman talks about Jimmy Jimmy

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<v Speaker 3>Henchman in my in my day.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a bad dude and Tupac didn't like him

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<v Speaker 2>at all. He said that name to me, that he's

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<v Speaker 2>no good.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'd gotten some I gotten some dirt on Henchman

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<v Speaker 3>and uh Madonna's friends, but they all knew each other,

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<v Speaker 3>and I gave Tupacs of information and he kept it

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<v Speaker 3>close to him. But he told me in the hospital,

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<v Speaker 3>I was with Mickey Rourke, Tupac and Tupac's mom, and

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<v Speaker 3>he said, he said, these motherfuckers aren't going to miss

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<v Speaker 3>the next time, and his mother wrote down in tears,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, and he just he always knew it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just I love that guy. And I just

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<v Speaker 3>think right now, if he were alive, Black Lives Matter

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<v Speaker 3>maybe would have had a better leader that made more

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<v Speaker 3>of a difference in their cause, whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 3>call it.

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<v Speaker 2>And him not being here, it says he would have

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<v Speaker 2>been fifty five or fifty four right now. It's amazing

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<v Speaker 2>how time flies. What do you have any deep information about? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think that Courtney Burgess is full of shit?

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<v Speaker 2>Completely is? Did he have any shot at this?

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<v Speaker 1>The way I say it now is because so much

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<v Speaker 1>has happened since when I first met him almost a

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<v Speaker 1>year ago. Now it's been a while. It's took a

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<v Speaker 1>long time for me to trust him, for him to

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<v Speaker 1>trust me. I didn't know who he was at first.

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<v Speaker 1>They only showed me pages of this book where I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know if it was real. I was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really solatious, some crazy stuff. Was Kim writing a book?

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<v Speaker 1>Was she trying to write a semi fictionalized novel? So

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<v Speaker 1>I figure out what it was. But like I said

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<v Speaker 1>on another interview, I did pretty recently. I have to

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<v Speaker 1>believe him. I have to right now. I'm already committed.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to believe did He's a bad guy. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to believe kid porter. If somebody proves that the

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<v Speaker 1>book's faith there's no tapes, then prove it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I get you.

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<v Speaker 3>The only the only the only problem is a criminal

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<v Speaker 3>case can't start with a civil lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 2>For money in a country like America where the accused

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<v Speaker 2>still have rights. So did he did.

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<v Speaker 3>He's lawyers had to do what they had to do.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he's still I mean, we'd all fight back

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<v Speaker 3>if we had that kind of money. And who the

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<v Speaker 3>hell wants to be he's trying to jail off.

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<v Speaker 1>He's trying to scare off podcasters because he named Sean

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<v Speaker 1>Atwood and I think Tommy. He's naming their podcasters. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's the same thing Erlic did. It's a shot

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<v Speaker 1>across the bow. So when you google their names, you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>want suit, lawsuit?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I get you. I'm glad you mentioned char I

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<v Speaker 2>want to get to that in a second. But first, well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's actually you.

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<v Speaker 3>We met because you had inside information on OJ, and

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<v Speaker 3>you had always alleged and kept telling me that OJ

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<v Speaker 3>got helped out and from a friend Charlie Erlick.

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<v Speaker 2>You detailed it. You spelled it out for me. I could.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm going back now a long time. When

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<v Speaker 3>this thing happened, I covered as a journalist.

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<v Speaker 2>I went in a trial.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, I think, OHJ did it. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 3>to say he didn't have any help. But tell the

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<v Speaker 3>folks a little bit about Charlie Erlick. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>before you go for Diddy, has the right the right

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<v Speaker 3>thing in mind, because I was a journalist for many

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<v Speaker 3>years for many different newspapers, and it was a very

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<v Speaker 3>different thing. When you wrote a story, you had three

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<v Speaker 3>lawyers looking at it before I went to press, your

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<v Speaker 3>editor in chief. Nothing got into paper until it was

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<v Speaker 3>nine ways till Sunday checked out. I'm in the podcast

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<v Speaker 3>business now for eight years and it is the fucking

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<v Speaker 3>wild West.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the things we say and.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't have any few eight years I'm doing this and

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<v Speaker 3>one person at me, Bethany Frankel. I mean, I say

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<v Speaker 3>some crazy shit, no one comes at you. It's gonna change,

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<v Speaker 3>and it probably should. But you always told me that

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<v Speaker 3>Charlie Irlick helped OJ that night. Tell me tell the

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<v Speaker 3>folks a little bit because I know lawyers drag you

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<v Speaker 3>left and right over this. But give us the quick

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<v Speaker 3>story about the OJ trial. The O J murder case.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, I mean Charlie.

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie Earl.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you the brief, the brief version. Yeah, about

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<v Speaker 1>seven years ago, supposedly Charlie came forward to a producer

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<v Speaker 1>who was a friend of mine, a business associate. And

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't know who Charlie Lick was. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know he was in the Vegas robbery. I had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea who he was. I knew who oj was, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>And after this producer had said to me, look, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw what you did on Natalie Wood, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I see you got balls of Steel. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>got this crazy thing coming down the park. And I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it. Well, it's oja. And at first it

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<v Speaker 1>turned my stomach. I'm like, nobody wants oja.

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00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:09.759
<v Speaker 2>No, I was. I was just saying that.

423
00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I swear to God, I said that verbatim, nobody wants

424
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<v Speaker 1>to see the murders played out in a movie. He

425
00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:18.559
<v Speaker 1>and he pulled his eyes like kind of like uh,

426
00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, what's up? Hold on? And it took

427
00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:24.759
<v Speaker 1>a few months for me to come back to him

428
00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:27.200
<v Speaker 1>because I shut him down. He's like, well, I don't

429
00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:29.839
<v Speaker 1>have it yet. It's still we're still working out the

430
00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:33.880
<v Speaker 1>script and the tape, and I'm like, okay, whatever. Months

431
00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:35.319
<v Speaker 1>go by and I tell this story. I'm in a

432
00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:37.559
<v Speaker 1>restaurant and I got a couple of beers and I

433
00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:40.039
<v Speaker 1>was a little kind of what was that guy? What

434
00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:43.440
<v Speaker 1>was he talking about? And I said, Oh, my god,

435
00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:48.759
<v Speaker 1>there's somebody else there. And that's what it was. And

436
00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:51.160
<v Speaker 1>when I went in the next day, Yeah, I went

437
00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:54.160
<v Speaker 1>in the like Monday morning. He's like, come in Monday,

438
00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:57.440
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna read the script. Turn your phone off, give

439
00:20:57.519 --> 00:20:59.039
<v Speaker 1>me your phone and read it.

440
00:20:59.200 --> 00:20:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I read it.

441
00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:03.039
<v Speaker 1>My ed flew off my shoulders.

442
00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:07.880
<v Speaker 2>And the basic Charlie so and basically just the quick

443
00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:11.680
<v Speaker 2>version of Charlie. He had tell the folks how he

444
00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.000
<v Speaker 2>got involved with the truck and the murder and was

445
00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:17.480
<v Speaker 2>he first on the SCENEO with with OJ to become

446
00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:18.920
<v Speaker 2>later something happened.

447
00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:21.559
<v Speaker 1>So basically, and look, I'm I'm gonna speak as if

448
00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Charlie's saying his confession to you instead of my investigation

449
00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:29.279
<v Speaker 1>and the footprints and the finger that's that's a muffin

450
00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:31.960
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. We're not even gonna get into that. He

451
00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:40.039
<v Speaker 1>said he was there. He did early on tape that

452
00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:42.720
<v Speaker 1>he was there that he went to OJ's because he

453
00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:46.440
<v Speaker 1>owed him money for Joey at Ballito. And when he

454
00:21:46.519 --> 00:21:51.079
<v Speaker 1>showed up, yeah you, OJ's like, no, no, no, we're

455
00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:54.720
<v Speaker 1>going into cooles. Get in the Bronco. He drove to

456
00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:59.319
<v Speaker 1>OJ's by himself, christ and then I've always said.

457
00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:00.759
<v Speaker 2>And they go.

458
00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:03.640
<v Speaker 1>They drive together in the Bronco, and Irla tells you

459
00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.519
<v Speaker 1>that on tape in his screenplay. We we get in

460
00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:10.200
<v Speaker 1>and go over there, and OJ says the same thing

461
00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:12.720
<v Speaker 1>and as if I did it book and in his interview,

462
00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:15.559
<v Speaker 1>so you know, I'm broad stroking this thing. So we

463
00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:19.680
<v Speaker 1>get in the Bronco. Way over we they told you

464
00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:22.200
<v Speaker 1>you just had to like listen.

465
00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:28.119
<v Speaker 2>How how come nobody I can't believe he wasn't approached.

466
00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Because he left it in his last name. So he

467
00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:35.799
<v Speaker 1>kept saying Charlie Brock, Charlie followed this guy Ron Goldman.

468
00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:39.680
<v Speaker 1>He's saying these things, and everybody's like, oh, Charlie's OJ's guys.

469
00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:42.839
<v Speaker 1>And then Pablo Fens who lied about this. This is

470
00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:47.119
<v Speaker 1>where Pablo jud Reagan were the culprits of this fraud.

471
00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:51.279
<v Speaker 1>I met Pop. I called him up and I go,

472
00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:53.359
<v Speaker 1>you need to come clean or I'm gonna out you.

473
00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:56.759
<v Speaker 1>He's like, who are you? He's like, what's up? You

474
00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:00.960
<v Speaker 1>got ten seconds? And he's like, well, what's going on, dude?

475
00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:02.680
<v Speaker 1>And I go, I go listen. I'm gonna ask you

476
00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:05.559
<v Speaker 1>one question. I only need to and I'm gonna leave

477
00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:08.160
<v Speaker 1>you alone because if you don't answer it, I will

478
00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:11.680
<v Speaker 1>blow up your world. I'll blow it up. I swear

479
00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:14.079
<v Speaker 1>the guy did yeah, And I go like this, I go, Papa,

480
00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:18.240
<v Speaker 1>did OJ say the name Charlie? Or did you say

481
00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:20.880
<v Speaker 1>it in the book? And he paused for a sec

482
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:24.839
<v Speaker 1>O J see, but he had cooled everybody in his

483
00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:28.400
<v Speaker 1>interviews that he well, let's call him Charlie. Do you

484
00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:31.359
<v Speaker 1>think a narcissist like O. J. Simpson would let you

485
00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:36.799
<v Speaker 1>just pick a name? No, dude, no, no way, no Charlie.

486
00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I got and listen. I I went to I

487
00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:42.839
<v Speaker 2>can't think of his last name. And now I'm so

488
00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:44.200
<v Speaker 2>pissed off. Mark.

489
00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:46.720
<v Speaker 3>He was in the suzand oj Oj suicide letters in

490
00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:48.559
<v Speaker 3>New Yorker. When I was living in New York, great

491
00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.720
<v Speaker 3>guy ran a restaurant. Yeah, Mark Packer, he ran a

492
00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:54.720
<v Speaker 3>restaurant called Angelo and Maxie Steakhouse. Great guy had a

493
00:23:54.759 --> 00:23:57.960
<v Speaker 3>big party with night, beautiful penhouse after the murders, and

494
00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:00.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm in the room, beautiful and this old of him

495
00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.119
<v Speaker 3>and OJ and Nicole and Mexico and ski slopes, and

496
00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:05.440
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to approach him as a friend.

497
00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:07.359
<v Speaker 2>I said, yeah, I'm sorry, Mark, you know what a

498
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:10.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe he didn't do it. And Mark said,

499
00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:12.960
<v Speaker 2>of course he did it, just to pick the shit

500
00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:14.279
<v Speaker 2>out of it. Of course he killed it.

501
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:17.119
<v Speaker 3>But that's like my best friend saying that to you

502
00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:19.759
<v Speaker 3>after I'm you know, so I walked away, going, well,

503
00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:22.319
<v Speaker 3>now that's concrete proof I didn't think about having help.

504
00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:25.119
<v Speaker 3>OJ is a big enough and strong enough guy. Plus,

505
00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:29.200
<v Speaker 3>like I said many times, you uh you see, Marcus

506
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:32.279
<v Speaker 3>Allen is fucking your ex wife, Nicole. Kidman, he's driving

507
00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:35.079
<v Speaker 3>your other he's driving your car around town. Uh you

508
00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:37.839
<v Speaker 3>you uh you Paul Barberie who I went out with

509
00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:39.960
<v Speaker 3>and kept calling me OJ instead of AJ.

510
00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Which was funny. Uh, they break up. She she breaks up.

511
00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:45.839
<v Speaker 3>She's with Michael Bolton. OHJ comes back. There's no chair

512
00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:47.319
<v Speaker 3>for him at his daughter's recital.

513
00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:48.400
<v Speaker 2>He's on blow.

514
00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:52.680
<v Speaker 3>Someone's gonna get fucked up that night. So obviously he

515
00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:54.880
<v Speaker 3>went and did. Remember what I saw the pictures.

516
00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:58.319
<v Speaker 1>And remember what OJ told Nicole if you ever sleep

517
00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:00.160
<v Speaker 1>with Marcus Allen, I will kill you.

518
00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:02.880
<v Speaker 2>That was it. That's that's what he is.

519
00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:04.799
<v Speaker 3>That And look, she didn't just sleep with them on

520
00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:07.240
<v Speaker 3>the sly. There were candles in the window. I mean,

521
00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:08.920
<v Speaker 3>it was like a you know, they were having a

522
00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:09.839
<v Speaker 3>great time together.

523
00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Uh And that's just probably O Jay's because of any

524
00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:14.960
<v Speaker 2>athlete in the world.

525
00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, here's the thing with Kardashian. So when Kardashian hires

526
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:22.400
<v Speaker 1>the guy Bill was to take photos of Nicole for

527
00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:25.559
<v Speaker 1>two days, when he comes back to Kardashian, he gives

528
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:29.759
<v Speaker 1>him a picture of Nicole kissing Marcus Allen at Tony

529
00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Roma's and it's over game, over.

530
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:41.359
<v Speaker 2>Done done and the four months. Is there any proof

531
00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:43.759
<v Speaker 2>do you think that there was a lot of I mean,

532
00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:45.359
<v Speaker 2>I know they were all doing cocaine. I know that

533
00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Goldman probably was one of those guys.

534
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:49.799
<v Speaker 3>A lot of waiters in La Yeah, can get your

535
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:52.200
<v Speaker 3>coke if you want, of course, so he probably was

536
00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:55.559
<v Speaker 3>one of those guys extra money on the side. Do

537
00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:58.160
<v Speaker 3>you think that they all do you think that there's

538
00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:01.119
<v Speaker 3>there's any truth to them the story that there was

539
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:05.079
<v Speaker 3>a big cocaine that that Nicole allegedly owned.

540
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:08.160
<v Speaker 2>I do. And the first story was a Colombian guy

541
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:10.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, was gonna kill her and put her tongue

542
00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:12.519
<v Speaker 2>through a neck, which didn't happen. But I've seen the

543
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:15.400
<v Speaker 2>pictures in color, and it's the worst thing I've ever seen.

544
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:17.640
<v Speaker 2>The cole if you, if you, if you go.

545
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:21.920
<v Speaker 1>By everything, the totality of the evidence and Charlie's story,

546
00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Ippolito story. When Alex Constantine did the story about the

547
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:30.599
<v Speaker 1>Florida Hollywood mob connection early on, when you look back,

548
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.400
<v Speaker 1>you're like, wait a minute, wait, is this real. I

549
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:39.759
<v Speaker 1>do believe that Ippolito set an extortion to trap all them,

550
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Like you guys, owe me money. I don't care who

551
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.319
<v Speaker 1>you are, because remember if Alito was on the run

552
00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:48.920
<v Speaker 1>in June of ninety five, he was a fugitive, he

553
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:50.319
<v Speaker 1>needed money cash.

554
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know much about it. Believe

555
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:55.599
<v Speaker 2>he's a Florida mobster. I don't background.

556
00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, no, Joey was de Cavo Conte. He was big,

557
00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:01.200
<v Speaker 1>he knew Meyer Lance erased the race boats.

558
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, okay, oh those guys, you know he's a

559
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:08.640
<v Speaker 2>brutal guy. Those are They don't give a fun.

560
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:12.079
<v Speaker 1>Though they don't get yo exactly and now, and you know.

561
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:13.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how much further we can go. So

562
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:16.559
<v Speaker 3>where are you with the Charlie Irlok story? The OJ start?

563
00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:17.400
<v Speaker 3>What's going to happen next?

564
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:18.839
<v Speaker 2>Do you think? You know?

565
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:21.880
<v Speaker 1>The media has blocked me for years and and I'm

566
00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:24.759
<v Speaker 1>not going to hard on it. So you're supposed to

567
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 1>go to trial. The judge in the case in the

568
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Eleventh Circuit Court told them to go to mediation. Okay,

569
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>you don't want them to go to trial, but right

570
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:38.440
<v Speaker 1>now teetering, it's been three and a half years since

571
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:40.880
<v Speaker 1>the lawsuit, so I've already been to posed.

572
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:45.759
<v Speaker 3>No, yep, I got to post Jesus and they're they're

573
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:49.880
<v Speaker 3>got yeah, but you got a mouth like me.

574
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Once it's on, it keeps running. You know, you gotta

575
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:55.319
<v Speaker 2>be really composed of this thought asking questions like that.

576
00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:57.559
<v Speaker 2>But well they talk about so they.

577
00:27:57.559 --> 00:27:59.839
<v Speaker 1>Tell you, I'll tell you this in the deposition, I'll

578
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:01.680
<v Speaker 1>tell tell you this. I thought I was going to

579
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>be there for hours and hours at about forty minutes

580
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:08.119
<v Speaker 1>in because I have a copy of it too. Once

581
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:11.839
<v Speaker 1>we started to get to evidence, why do you say, Earl?

582
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.839
<v Speaker 1>They were like, we're done have a good day by

583
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>buying over.

584
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:20.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I got to tell you know. In a

585
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:23.880
<v Speaker 2>similar story, I was very close to Hobby Weinstein. My

586
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.880
<v Speaker 2>book deal got me TV money, bought the rights to

587
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:28.960
<v Speaker 2>my life. Basically, he was always good to me. I

588
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:30.920
<v Speaker 2>knew he got laid. He's a big producer. I didn't

589
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:32.880
<v Speaker 2>know these raping chicks. I did not know that. People

590
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:36.920
<v Speaker 2>think I'm said, I didn't know it. When his whole

591
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:39.319
<v Speaker 2>thing was coming down, he had asked me one day.

592
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:41.000
<v Speaker 3>I was coaching my son's soccer team and I got

593
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:42.920
<v Speaker 3>a text, come see me at the Four Seasons into

594
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:43.480
<v Speaker 3>Beverly Hills.

595
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:46.480
<v Speaker 2>What's wrong? I need you because I help. I helped

596
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:49.000
<v Speaker 2>him like fifteen years early with some bullshit. He was

597
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:51.920
<v Speaker 2>fucking around his wife with Georgina Chapman. I silenced that story.

598
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Gave me one hundred grand for that. Oh nice, crazy days.

599
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.640
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, of across the year, but it's still ten

600
00:28:57.680 --> 00:28:59.960
<v Speaker 2>grand a month. So I need you to help. I

601
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.640
<v Speaker 2>raced for the Four Seasons, he said the right, there's

602
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:04.599
<v Speaker 2>gonna be a big magazine story about me about what

603
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:06.759
<v Speaker 2>you know. Just thid I'm a bully and I'm tough

604
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:08.799
<v Speaker 2>and all right because I need you to find that

605
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:11.799
<v Speaker 2>who's writing it. I'll pay you twenty thousand a month. Wow,

606
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.640
<v Speaker 2>just like I said, Fuck, I'll find out. And then

607
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:17.200
<v Speaker 2>I went home. I told my wife at that point,

608
00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:18.319
<v Speaker 2>this is fucking big.

609
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.240
<v Speaker 3>I gotta And then I heard Rose McGowan made a

610
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:25.720
<v Speaker 3>comment about my boyfriend sold the script to probably Weinstein

611
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:28.440
<v Speaker 3>and bah, bah sold the script to a rapist he

612
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:28.960
<v Speaker 3>raped me?

613
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.400
<v Speaker 2>And I said, that's got to be Harvey. And her

614
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.880
<v Speaker 2>boyfriend was what's his name, Robert Rodriguez. So I got it,

615
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 2>a Harvey, is this about rape? No, No, it's not right.

616
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:40.759
<v Speaker 2>But then he said, well, yeah, it might be accusations.

617
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:42.359
<v Speaker 2>I said, I can't help your heart.

618
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

619
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:46.640
<v Speaker 3>So get this, I actually said to him, because one

620
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.480
<v Speaker 3>night he texted me, I said, he goes, help me please.

621
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:52.640
<v Speaker 2>I said, look, I found that Ronan Fowlers writing the piece.

622
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.319
<v Speaker 2>He's dating the former speech writer for Barack Obama. He's

623
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:01.799
<v Speaker 2>a Hollywood liberal, his mother's famous. You got no shot here, Harvey,

624
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.400
<v Speaker 2>I said, can you think that? Were you ever molested

625
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.079
<v Speaker 2>as a child by your rabbi or an uncle? He

626
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:07.440
<v Speaker 2>says no.

627
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Then he goes, well, yeah, but I can't talk about

628
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:12.400
<v Speaker 3>so I said, maybe you should talk about just giving

629
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:14.440
<v Speaker 3>some advice, but I said, I can't help.

630
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:15.519
<v Speaker 2>I backed up.

631
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:19.519
<v Speaker 3>But the point is, these people, from Harvey to OJ

632
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:22.000
<v Speaker 3>to Diddy to Epstein.

633
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:24.319
<v Speaker 2>How do we ever wrangle these guys up and get

634
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:24.880
<v Speaker 2>them down?

635
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:27.000
<v Speaker 3>It takes years, and there's so many more of them

636
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:33.000
<v Speaker 3>out there, and money, money Anyhow, You've been very good

637
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:37.680
<v Speaker 3>about Kurt Cobain's death. I did a show on it

638
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:39.519
<v Speaker 3>several months back based on what you said on you

639
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:42.759
<v Speaker 3>on YouTube interviews that you did were very informing and

640
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:46.720
<v Speaker 3>not a suicide. You say, you completely spelled out while

641
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:48.480
<v Speaker 3>you think it was a murder how it went down.

642
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:51.000
<v Speaker 3>I saw the Netflix special, and of course I feel

643
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:55.200
<v Speaker 3>the same way. Anything we do on that front.

644
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.519
<v Speaker 1>Is that ever gonna do anywhere anything? That thing's got

645
00:30:57.559 --> 00:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot of scheme. If people go online and they

646
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:04.400
<v Speaker 1>google like Joe Burns Kurt Cobain, or they go to

647
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>YouTube who killed Kurt. There's also a website who killed

648
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Kurt dot org. These people have really picked up some

649
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.400
<v Speaker 1>of the steam that I have. They're doing a great

650
00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:16.559
<v Speaker 1>job in the media is blocking them, and they're trying

651
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>to tell witnesses come forward that he was there the

652
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:24.759
<v Speaker 1>night Kurt was killed, and there was many people over

653
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:27.759
<v Speaker 1>the people over five people were at the house, I

654
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:31.000
<v Speaker 1>know the night he died. None of them are all

655
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:31.759
<v Speaker 1>drug addicts.

656
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:36.799
<v Speaker 2>That's the part that makes you makes your story sounds

657
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.720
<v Speaker 2>absolutely brilliant. How do you not investigate these people? They're

658
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:45.720
<v Speaker 2>all drug addicts. Kurt had given them money or not.

659
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.759
<v Speaker 3>Kurt Courtney had said to rehab one or two of

660
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.000
<v Speaker 3>them immediately, you know, like good gestures here and there.

661
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:54.400
<v Speaker 2>That story is just a sin.

662
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:59.839
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, she was given money for me I lived

663
00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:01.559
<v Speaker 1>with Yeah, Like, and I.

664
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:03.519
<v Speaker 2>Don't blame I lived in our building.

665
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:06.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. If you look at my stories on Cobain, I

666
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>don't really say her name. I want I don't want

667
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.599
<v Speaker 1>anything to do with her. I'm focused on the people

668
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.039
<v Speaker 1>that are at the house. She's that's the peninsula in LA.

669
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:18.079
<v Speaker 1>She's not in Seattle. Yeah, so she's not there, right, Okay,

670
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.079
<v Speaker 1>that's a crazy case.

671
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:24.240
<v Speaker 2>That one is almost How did the cops how do

672
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:26.440
<v Speaker 2>they not go ahead continue going? Okay, remember to say this.

673
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:31.519
<v Speaker 1>Let's remember OJ June twelfth, nineteen ninety four. Kirk Cobain

674
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:37.799
<v Speaker 1>April eighth, supposedly nineteen ninety four, right before two months

675
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:43.319
<v Speaker 1>before OJ was Cobain, So right, people are kind of suspicious.

676
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Then Oj happens shut down Cobain. Who who?

677
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:52.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, that's it's unbelievable. That's why I tell people

678
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 3>there was no better time to be a gossip reporter

679
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.319
<v Speaker 3>than the nineties. Brothers to Kurk Cobain, John Bunny Ramsay,

680
00:32:57.680 --> 00:32:59.160
<v Speaker 3>it was every day every week?

681
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Who was Ja the Fuco?

682
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:04.440
<v Speaker 3>Mary Mary Kay Liturno too? But it didn't end so uh,

683
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.799
<v Speaker 3>speaking of that, You've got a great information on John

684
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Bunny Ramsey. And I'm fascinated by this case because it's

685
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:13.839
<v Speaker 3>very similar to me in the respect that I don't know.

686
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:16.599
<v Speaker 2>How cops just didn't do their fucking job with Kurt.

687
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:18.799
<v Speaker 2>How do you not go in the uh what was

688
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:20.920
<v Speaker 2>it called the greenhouse? Yeah? How do you not go

689
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:23.200
<v Speaker 2>in another part of the home to check for a body?

690
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:24.599
<v Speaker 2>How do you just disregard that.

691
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.519
<v Speaker 1>You're talking about the p I? Yeah, the PI who

692
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:31.799
<v Speaker 1>he's because well, I'll tell you this right now, and

693
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:33.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get sued. I'm not gonna say

694
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>his name. I'm just gonna say this. Those people they

695
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>knew he was in the greenhouse, They saw him in

696
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:43.319
<v Speaker 1>the greenhouse before he was found. And also when that

697
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.359
<v Speaker 1>person says, wellhy did it look because it was raining

698
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>and it was a light blasting in my face. No, no,

699
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>you did see it. You just can't say that.

700
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:56.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well that's that. That brings me to uh John

701
00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:00.799
<v Speaker 3>Benny Ramsey. I watched this the Netflix special to docu series.

702
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:04.839
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't.

703
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.240
<v Speaker 3>Again, I don't think cops did their job the right way.

704
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:11.960
<v Speaker 3>I find the father very suspect. The mother the suicide note.

705
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.480
<v Speaker 3>I can't discount her because she wrote the note allegedly.

706
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:18.119
<v Speaker 2>What do you think is going on? I think the

707
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:20.480
<v Speaker 2>father was involved and maybe he was holding the girl out.

708
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:22.920
<v Speaker 2>That's just what I feel. What do you feel? No?

709
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>This is this is how we built it because I

710
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:28.559
<v Speaker 1>have another partner on Johnny. This is how it's built.

711
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:33.719
<v Speaker 1>We don't care about John Ramsey. If John Ramsey did

712
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:36.800
<v Speaker 1>know something, I'll tell you why. First of all, he's

713
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:41.400
<v Speaker 1>still alive. Okay, He's beat people in defamation suits, he's

714
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:47.559
<v Speaker 1>beat people, he took a guy's house, Okay, So we

715
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>don't want anything with John Ramsey. We never accused John

716
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Ramsey of anything, Okay. It's Patsy Ramsey that we're accusing. Okay,

717
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:01.519
<v Speaker 1>and so was Joe Burley your thing with you know

718
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:04.880
<v Speaker 1>John Ramsey and Netflix. You know you guys want to

719
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:07.440
<v Speaker 1>tell a story, go ahead. They lied about the evidence,

720
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:11.559
<v Speaker 1>They make blatant lies, and people like Alex Hunter, Mary

721
00:35:11.679 --> 00:35:15.079
<v Speaker 1>Lacey they try to say all this DNA. I've challenged

722
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Joe Berlinger and John Ramsey to a debate on television

723
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.280
<v Speaker 1>anywhere they want, any day of the week, and I'll

724
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.719
<v Speaker 1>prove to you who killed John Mane Ramsey.

725
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Wow, I, I I'm sure you're right. Here's what I

726
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.599
<v Speaker 3>find various suspect. The fact that they didn't go in

727
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:36.880
<v Speaker 3>that was it called a wine room like beyond the

728
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:38.639
<v Speaker 3>room where she was older.

729
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:39.800
<v Speaker 1>They call it the wine.

730
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Wine cellar. Okay uh.

731
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:46.599
<v Speaker 3>The fact that the way he talked about it on

732
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:49.559
<v Speaker 3>the special made me sick. And and the way when

733
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:51.599
<v Speaker 3>the when he when the body of John Benney was

734
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:55.920
<v Speaker 3>taken outside, he didn't cradle that child like what parent

735
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.599
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't cradle your dead child. He held it out like

736
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:00.880
<v Speaker 3>he was holding a dog who's just gonna take a

737
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.840
<v Speaker 3>shit on. How do you hold your kid like that? Well,

738
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 3>that to me means that there's something this guy knows.

739
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Well. When when when I talked suspect.

740
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I did another interview on Cinemo's TV about John Bennet.

741
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.199
<v Speaker 1>People can check it out. The way I say it

742
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.159
<v Speaker 1>is obviously he gets it when the parents are home

743
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 1>and you say there's DNA on John Benet that is

744
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>of the parents, that actually helps the parents because she

745
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:26.679
<v Speaker 1>lives there.

746
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:28.280
<v Speaker 3>I'll talk to you in a week or so and

747
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:30.159
<v Speaker 3>we'll get back on track, well what's happen. By then

748
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:33.280
<v Speaker 3>there'll be more Diddy news. I'm sure Chris Todd, everybody

749
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:34.719
<v Speaker 3>the best, best PI out there.
