Speaker 1: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Hope you're having a wonderful
Speaker 1: Friday night, because I certainly am, because I was gifted
Speaker 1: with the Isaac Batkan Culture Warfare podcast interview, which is
Speaker 1: I think just over two hours long and chalk full
Speaker 1: of wonderful, amazing statements that I wasn't quite expecting. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think that they did a very good job. And
Speaker 1: so that's what we're going to be discussing tonight. Now.
Speaker 1: It's not just going to be that, though, because we
Speaker 1: have a lot of things to discuss in this war
Speaker 1: Battle interview process thing. We've got a whole timeline. T
Speaker 1: Rex Arms has a timeline, Lucas has a timeline. We'll
Speaker 1: see where they match up and where they diverge, of course,
Speaker 1: but then we've got a little bit of rage bait.
Speaker 1: But because it's Friday night, because we started the stream
Speaker 1: a little bit early, still, like twenty minutes early, guys,
Speaker 1: you can't complain, right, fuirly, you guys can't complain that
Speaker 1: I'm twenty minutes early. But because of that, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be doing some Halo custom games at the end. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be like a community games Friday nights after the
Speaker 1: main meat of the stream. Whatever it is, gonna play
Speaker 1: a real game, something that's not quite so rage inducing,
Speaker 1: something that's not quite so cringe. It's just gonna be
Speaker 1: classic Halo. All right, master Chief Collection, whatever you happen
Speaker 1: to be on. If you're in the discord, great, everybody
Speaker 1: already knows. If you're not in the discord, ah, man,
Speaker 1: that sucks. Damn. Maybe next time. No, we'll probably be
Speaker 1: dropping the link to the discord throughout the stream. But
Speaker 1: worry not, ladies and gentlemen, because there is just so
Speaker 1: much time, so much time before then, because we have
Speaker 1: to go over all of this nonsense. And I'm not
Speaker 1: even kidding. Okay, it's a lot now I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure out because I'm not on stream yards again. Here
Speaker 1: we go. There it is. Yes, that's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: So because we are on obs, we've got a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff to discuss. So we should see here on
Speaker 1: screen the Culture Culture Warfare Podcast. Let me go ahead
Speaker 1: and drop this link in the chat for all of
Speaker 1: you so that you guys. Oh shoot, am I actually
Speaker 1: on focus tracks over there? No way? Or is this
Speaker 1: log doing its focus tracks? No way? That's crazy. Uh shoot,
Speaker 1: Oh that's why. What is going on here? Am I
Speaker 1: on the main channel? Am I streaming incorrectly? What is
Speaker 1: going on here? I wish we had mods in the chat.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we do, but I'll find the link and
Speaker 1: drop it. Anyways, this is my bad. I was sitting
Speaker 1: on the wrong account. There we are. Heck yeah, I
Speaker 1: see sdk raps Gallion in the chat as well. Thank
Speaker 1: you for hanging out man, Thank you for doing the interview. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just dropped the link to the Culture Warfare podcast.
Speaker 1: They only have one hundred and one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: four thousand. They only have one hundred and eighty four subscribers,
Speaker 1: so they need more, okay, and I'm thinking they need
Speaker 1: to be like over three hundred by the end of
Speaker 1: the stream. Because Isaac Botkin decided to stream or to
Speaker 1: do the interview on their podcast. It came out yesterday
Speaker 1: morning and it has four thousand views already, only one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty four subscribers. Though, you guys should go
Speaker 1: over there, should subscribe. If you don't do it, I
Speaker 1: will cry myself to sleep and it will be very,
Speaker 1: very sad for all of you to have to witness
Speaker 1: me do that. On a Friday night, So maybe some
Speaker 1: background on this a little bit so, of course, for
Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, somehow Isaac Botkin, Lucas Botkin,
Speaker 1: David Botkin, David Nor and the rest of the Botkin
Speaker 1: clan have been in a legal battle or a fight
Speaker 1: over payment for what almost eighteen months, not quite eighteen months.
Speaker 1: I think it was May of last year, so we're
Speaker 1: looking at about fifteen months right now where the brothers
Speaker 1: have been fighting it out, having this public fallout. We've
Speaker 1: of course covered it more on the Lucas side of
Speaker 1: things here, talking to Brandon Wombat, talking to anybody that
Speaker 1: would We've done a couple interviews with Lucas. Of course,
Speaker 1: I did reach out to Isaac when all this sort
Speaker 1: of stuff started to blow up, and he didn't respond,
Speaker 1: And after this video went up live that we're about
Speaker 1: to talk about in just a moment, I sent him
Speaker 1: another message today basically think or yesterday, thanking him for
Speaker 1: what he said about Dugan Ashley, because I do want
Speaker 1: to give Isaac a bunch of credit here in the beginning,
Speaker 1: because SDK and Glockenjoyer do bring up Dugan Ashley, they
Speaker 1: do talk about the case and Isaac seems very supportive.
Speaker 1: He seems willing to help perhaps whether it's him or
Speaker 1: t rex Arms or a combination of the two. So
Speaker 1: for that, I am very thankful, and I reached out
Speaker 1: thanking Isaac for his support in that vector. Right, So
Speaker 1: I'm very happy to compliment him when he does something
Speaker 1: that I agree with or that I think is very based.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately the second half of the interview so doesn't
Speaker 1: go quite as well. Right, So I'm gonna compliment him
Speaker 1: on the first thirty five minutes basically, and then there's
Speaker 1: some other stuff where he gets into like gun tube
Speaker 1: advertising problems. Now, while that is true that gun Tube
Speaker 1: is artificially held down by YouTube, the t rex Arms
Speaker 1: decline is not do to YouTube artificially hammering their channel.
Speaker 1: It's because a bunch of people unsubscribed and pressed the
Speaker 1: dislike button. And when people unsubscribed and press the dislike
Speaker 1: button or no longer click on your videos, well then
Speaker 1: YouTube stops recommending your channel. Right, It's just what happens
Speaker 1: if you're a small channel and everyone recommends your video,
Speaker 1: or everyone likes your video, everyone subscribes after clicking on
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You're gonna get a ton of recommendations
Speaker 1: even if you have no subscribers. T rex Arms has
Speaker 1: a lot of subscribers. Nobody clicks like on their videos.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of people click on their videos in
Speaker 1: the first place, and if they do, it's to leave
Speaker 1: a common press dislike and then leave. Right. So I
Speaker 1: do think that, of course two things can be true
Speaker 1: at the same time. YouTube can artificially hold down a
Speaker 1: lot of gun channels, and they can make it difficult
Speaker 1: for gun companies to even like market product in any
Speaker 1: meaningful way. And also t rex arms personal woes can
Speaker 1: be there of their own making, right all right now,
Speaker 1: the meat that everybody wants to talk about, and the
Speaker 1: thing that I think Culture Warfare podcast SDK and Glockenjoyer
Speaker 1: did a very very good job at Okay, I actually
Speaker 1: want to give them a lot of credit. Is that
Speaker 1: for the next hour and twenty minutes, the demeanor shifts. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a very noticeable change here once we get out
Speaker 1: of Isaac's wheelhouse. Because Isaac, if you watch t rex
Speaker 1: Arms or t rex Labs or any of that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff, is very well composed. He's I wouldn't maybe charismatic,
Speaker 1: isn't the right word, even though I think that there
Speaker 1: is a certain type of charisma there for sure, not
Speaker 1: in like the same way of you know, some other
Speaker 1: figures in the gun industry, but he does have a
Speaker 1: certain level of charisma, competency, confidence in areas that he
Speaker 1: does quite well. And that's why he's then at t
Speaker 1: rex Arm since I think twenty nineteen. It has helped
Speaker 1: the company grow significantly in that time. However, there is
Speaker 1: a very clear delineation between what he is comfortable talking
Speaker 1: about and what he is not comfortable talking about, which
Speaker 1: is it's a lot. It's a lot. So and I
Speaker 1: got to give credit again to SDK and Glock for
Speaker 1: the next hour and twenty minutes continuing to press, continuing
Speaker 1: to move the conversation even when Isaac doesn't want to.
Speaker 1: They continue to push and prod and press nicely. They're
Speaker 1: not being mean, they're not being ub to, they're not
Speaker 1: being overly critical, like they're being concillary right in a way.
Speaker 1: But Isaac does go on to say a lot of things,
Speaker 1: a lot of perhaps silly things, and like I'm not
Speaker 1: a hater. Okay, I did watch Ben's diatribe on it today.
Speaker 1: Ben is a hater, Ben doesn't like Isaac, that's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't come at it from quite that angle because
Speaker 1: I actually do like Isaac and I'm gonna be more
Speaker 1: charitable to him than others might be. But SDK rape Scallion,
Speaker 1: that's quite funny. Thank you three OI supremacist. But I
Speaker 1: don't have any issue with Isaac. I just think once
Speaker 1: again that he just needs to stop talking, like, you know,
Speaker 1: like just don't ever talk about this again until it's settled.
Speaker 1: Because I mean, if you do it, and of course
Speaker 1: gives me more content, but realistically, like just just stop
Speaker 1: doing it, Just stop it.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Well, anyways, that's enough of a preamble. I have a
Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff pulled up, of course, to get
Speaker 1: into some things that are annoying, some things are fun,
Speaker 1: and we'll see where. We'll see where the battle lines
Speaker 1: currently are, at least as far as the Internet is concerned.
Speaker 1: Who is winning this battle, okay, because that's what we
Speaker 1: want to know. Who's going to win in the long run.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna blink first? Spoiler alert. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be Lucas. That's my that's my guess here, because
Speaker 1: the one thing that Isaac has tried to save in
Speaker 1: kicking or you know, not acquiescing to Lucas's demands has
Speaker 1: not panned out. So let's go ahead and let's just
Speaker 1: get into it here when the video plays, don't kill
Speaker 1: me now YouTube.
Speaker 3: Okay, So going back to.
Speaker 2: Long winded, No, it's a lot.
Speaker 3: Of insight there.
Speaker 4: When we talk about like gun Tube and things in
Speaker 4: the gun industry and surrounding transparency and trust within companies,
Speaker 4: and that disappearing.
Speaker 3: T Rex has had quite quite the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is good.
Speaker 3: Yes, a lot of things, a lot of things.
Speaker 1: Dude, Isaac is like, oh no, here it comes here
Speaker 1: it because before this it was like pretty good. You know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about politics, we're talking about gun industry as
Speaker 1: a whole, not just t Rex Arms. We're talking about
Speaker 1: all sorts of fun stuff that's right in Isaac's wheelhouse.
Speaker 1: And here it comes like a freight train. Okay, it
Speaker 1: took forty five minutes to get to it. But here we.
Speaker 4: Are going on on your front. And I'm sure it's
Speaker 4: very stressful on you and you've been very busy, but
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any need to sugarcoat it.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: The numbers have kind of like shown that maybe sales
Speaker 4: are down and you've possibly had to lay off some employees,
Speaker 4: and a big reason for that is the fallout between
Speaker 4: you and your brother or not.
Speaker 1: Now I wanna I wish he would have been more
Speaker 1: specific here because I actually want real numbers. So okay,
Speaker 1: we'll start with the interview critique, because last year I
Speaker 1: think they were hovering between ninety and one hundred employees
Speaker 1: most of the time, and that might have fluctuated here
Speaker 1: or there. I think Lucas took two plus himself obviously,
Speaker 1: and then the one that they fired after Lucas, which
Speaker 1: is funny, right. However, I think now, at least according
Speaker 1: to their indeed posting hiring a new CEO after the
Speaker 1: CEO Mark Dole is that the guy's name. He's gone now.
Speaker 1: But I think they're around seventy employees, so I think
Speaker 1: they've dropped twenty five percent, thirty percent, and then there's
Speaker 1: rumors that that's going to go up even higher to
Speaker 1: roughly fifty percent of them we'll use. So I would
Speaker 1: have pressed on that because that's interesting because that tells
Speaker 1: me how is business going, and how are you forecasting
Speaker 1: your business to go?
Speaker 3: You specifically your t REX Arms and Luke Lucas.
Speaker 1: Lucas clarifies he took five employees. My bad. I thought
Speaker 1: it was Brandley marketing guy and yourself, but five. Its
Speaker 1: fine layoffs were last week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you guys released your own.
Speaker 1: At least to be fair, Isaac does not push back there.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, we lost a bunch of employees.
Speaker 3: About it, and a lot of people.
Speaker 4: In the industry and a lot of commenters online have
Speaker 4: talked about how it seemed like you guys were trying
Speaker 4: to be transparent, but they felt that there are more
Speaker 4: questions afterwards and that maybe wasn't as transparent as what
Speaker 4: some people would like. What would you say to the
Speaker 4: people who think that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a very delicate balance because we're
Speaker 2: talking about we're talking about a a a schism inside
Speaker 2: of a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can see how painful this is to talk about, right, Isaac, Like,
Speaker 1: if I was Isaac Okay, realistically, if I'm agreeing to
Speaker 1: do this interview on a channel that has one hundred
Speaker 1: no offense to Culture Warfare podcast, of course, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: drop the link again in the chat for all of you.
Speaker 1: But if I'm gonna be doing a podcast like this
Speaker 1: become I'm literally just gonna pull a fauc sheet and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, I can't talk about that because
Speaker 1: we're there's proceedings going on right now. Yeah. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: just can't talk about that right now. Yeah sorry. I
Speaker 1: mean we're moving forward in that, and we're trying to
Speaker 1: be like super generic, like basically say nothing, you know,
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, we're trying to resolve it as
Speaker 1: amicably as possible, and you know, we'll figure it out
Speaker 1: for the future. But you know, blah blah blah, we're
Speaker 1: still pushing for it. You're just generic and gobbledygook. Just
Speaker 1: say that.
Speaker 2: Family, which I think is a very private thing, and
Speaker 2: I think it should have stayed private. But then of
Speaker 2: course there were impacts on a company, which is a
Speaker 2: little a different thing. And then obviously Lucas was a
Speaker 2: gun tuber and so obviously there was a public aspect
Speaker 2: to this.
Speaker 1: Well, right, And that's the thing is, not only is
Speaker 1: Lucas obviously a very public person, but so is t
Speaker 1: Rex Arms. Like never forget that. T Rex Arms from
Speaker 1: its inception has been very vocal about their desires, wants,
Speaker 1: and goals within the industry. Their mission statement if you will.
Speaker 1: I also do. There was a funny time period in
Speaker 1: there whoever was running the t Rex Arms YouTube account,
Speaker 1: where for like two months after Lucas was gone, they
Speaker 1: still had the Lucas What is t Rex Arms about
Speaker 1: video as like the first thing that you see on
Speaker 1: their YouTube channel, which to me is just funny, right,
Speaker 1: It's just funny. That's like, ah, that's awkward. The guy's
Speaker 1: not there anymore, and now he's you know, going over
Speaker 1: their mission statement and it's just you know, perhaps a
Speaker 1: little ironic, I suppose, but yeah, it's it's a public situation.
Speaker 1: And that's why if I'm going to be giving my
Speaker 1: money to a company, they they do kind of owe
Speaker 1: it to me in some way to say that they
Speaker 1: are upholding the values that they purport to. You know,
Speaker 1: It's like Knight's Armament doesn't really have a public mission statement.
Speaker 1: They're not outspoken on their social media about being a
Speaker 1: Christian family company. Now if they were very outspoken about
Speaker 1: being a Christian family company that puts God first in everything,
Speaker 1: and then they have videos of trade Junior, like packing
Speaker 1: up webcams and you know, houses with children inside with
Speaker 1: a machete while high on meth. It's like, well, you
Speaker 1: kind of owe the public and explanation for this, right
Speaker 1: because your mission statement and your actions are not matching up.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but I do think people I think people
Speaker 2: deserve a lot of transparency for the public side. But
Speaker 2: in terms of things that we didn't want to talk
Speaker 2: about and still don't want to talk about, a lot
Speaker 2: of those are related to the family side. And some
Speaker 2: of that is company stuff, and I would say employee
Speaker 2: stuff or maybe even legal stuff. Where the issue is
Speaker 2: that people need to know, it's that they want to know.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff that I think, of course
Speaker 2: we can. We can talk about the public aspects, we
Speaker 2: can talk about some of the business aspects, and a
Speaker 2: lot of the family aspects. I know Lucas has made
Speaker 2: a lot of very public statements, but that's an area
Speaker 2: where the rest of our family has has wanted to
Speaker 2: be see.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't really buy that though. I don't
Speaker 1: like that framing. I think that's a little disingenuous because
Speaker 1: let's just go over the time frame, shall we. So
Speaker 1: right here on May twenty eighth, this is like early June,
Speaker 1: Lucas puts out this post on Instagram, right, and this
Speaker 1: is all he says. This is it. This is the
Speaker 1: first stone, this is the first warning shot. This is
Speaker 1: the first skirmish in the battle of Lucas versus t
Speaker 1: rex Arms. Right. On May twenty eight, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: I resigned as an employee board member of my company,
Speaker 1: t Rex Arms, per my shareholder agreement with my business partners.
Speaker 1: They will be buying out my equity. I believe that's
Speaker 1: still the case over a year later, we don't know.
Speaker 1: This decision was not made lightly, but was required in
Speaker 1: order to maintain my values and take care of my family.
Speaker 1: I will share more details in the coming months. The
Speaker 1: future is exciting and new ventures are already underwear. I'm
Speaker 1: not done yet. Now you'll notice in this initial skirmish,
Speaker 1: this initial fight, Lucas says nothing about t Rex Arms,
Speaker 1: about any individual, about nothing other than an inference of
Speaker 1: protecting his values and taking care of his family. Right. So, now,
Speaker 1: there's may be some insinuation of something happening there, but
Speaker 1: there's no direct t Rex Arms is bad and I
Speaker 1: hate them, rah Right. The first person to actually say
Speaker 1: anything about the situation is t Rex Arms, and they
Speaker 1: posted this video June second, twenty twenty five. Now here's
Speaker 1: the thing, guys, I had to search for this video
Speaker 1: because t Rex Arms unlisted all of their responses, which
Speaker 1: is so annoying. Lucasten unlist his video, which came after
Speaker 1: the fact, of course, but Lucas or t rex Arms
Speaker 1: unlisted both of their videos, which made them very difficult
Speaker 1: and obnoxious for me to find because I had to
Speaker 1: like search back in different articles and what not to
Speaker 1: find a live link for their video which has been unlisted.
Speaker 1: So that was a bit obnoxious, maybe a bit untransparent
Speaker 1: as well. So June second, t rex Arms puts up
Speaker 1: this response video, which we will go into in just
Speaker 1: a minute, and then let's see five days later, Lucas
Speaker 1: puts out his video. Now, if I remember the timeline correct,
Speaker 1: in one of the interviews with Lucas, he wasn't planning
Speaker 1: on making any videos for a month or so after this.
Speaker 1: And then because they released this statement talking about pornographic
Speaker 1: images sent to his wife, this is when Lucas has
Speaker 1: to basically give his side of the story. And then
Speaker 1: later on June twenty seventh is when they do the
Speaker 1: full on twenty minute video with Mark Dahl, who is
Speaker 1: now no longer the CEO, David Noor, David Bodkin, and
Speaker 1: Isaac Botkin. Now, what these four people are currently doing
Speaker 1: at the company is kind of an unknown to me.
Speaker 1: Because the ship is there, they're routing the deck chairs
Speaker 1: while the ship is getting rooted.
Speaker 5: I think is what they said, be quieter, and I
Speaker 5: know that this may be a weird, kind of a
Speaker 5: weird statement, but that we're trying to protect Lucas and
Speaker 5: Lucas's reputation as much as anyone by saying that there's
Speaker 5: certain things we're not.
Speaker 2: Going to talk about, so maybe we should have said more.
Speaker 1: Maybe Okay, sorry, go back. This is a pattern you're
Speaker 1: going to see here, is by not talking, they're protecting Lucas,
Speaker 1: which is an insidious inference. I suppose it's a nice
Speaker 1: way to say that because it's like, oh, I would
Speaker 1: say things, man, but it would just it would really
Speaker 1: damage Lucas's reputation. I would say something, but I just
Speaker 1: got to protect Lucas. I would, you know, I would
Speaker 1: try and defend myself, but if I defended myself, it
Speaker 1: would make Lucas look really bad. It's like, well, by
Speaker 1: not saying anything, you're kind of inferring that Lucas did
Speaker 1: something like really bad, like a large breach of moral
Speaker 1: duty or you know, I don't know, in bad or
Speaker 1: some or you know, misappropriation of funds, or you're essentially
Speaker 1: quietly accusing him of doing something egregious. Right by saying, oh,
Speaker 1: I would defend myself, but if I did, it would
Speaker 1: really take down Lucas, Like hmmm.
Speaker 2: Believe that we're trying to protect Lucas and Lucas's reputation
Speaker 2: as much as anyone by saying that there's certain things
Speaker 2: we're not going to talk about. So maybe we should
Speaker 2: have said more. Maybe we should have said less.
Speaker 1: I think yes, say less, just continuously stop talking.
Speaker 2: That we will be saying more in the future, just
Speaker 2: as time goes by and people have questions about things,
Speaker 2: and it's less I don't know, less raw perhaps, but
Speaker 2: that's that would be the reason, the reason for that.
Speaker 2: And then there's some legal stuff too. I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess it's a little bit like what we talked about
Speaker 2: before with with Dugan. There's there's some legal stuff going
Speaker 2: on that also just can't be talked about. So if
Speaker 2: if people want to know more, I totally get it.
Speaker 2: But there are certain things that we can't talk about.
Speaker 2: And then there's some some things that we we just
Speaker 2: have chosen as a consciences issue not to talk about
Speaker 2: as a family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what do you what do you mean by
Speaker 1: This is the part where I think they do a
Speaker 1: really good job. They're like, oh yeah, Lucas or sorry.
Speaker 1: Isaac is like, yeah, there's things that we just don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about, and then Glock's like, oh, okay, cool, anyways,
Speaker 1: let's get right back into it. Let's just keep talking
Speaker 1: on this for the next hour.
Speaker 6: Lucas's reputation when you say that, and then yeah on
Speaker 6: the on the second half.
Speaker 1: Of that, Yeah, yeah, what do you mean by that, Isaac?
Speaker 6: When you say that? And then yeah on the on
Speaker 6: the second half of that, I think, yeah, you're You're right.
Speaker 6: A lot of people do feel like people want to
Speaker 6: know more. And I think it's because, you know, Lucas
Speaker 6: and t Rex in general are very charismatic, likable, and
Speaker 6: the cold following really and so it kind of feels
Speaker 6: like it feels bad to see, you know, oh yeah,
Speaker 6: because of what I care about the people involved.
Speaker 4: I think people want to be able to trust where
Speaker 4: they're buying their products from. And I think people believed
Speaker 4: in the mission that t Rex has in openly states
Speaker 4: that they have and with the public radio, yeah, for sure,
Speaker 4: the claims that are out there. I think the view
Speaker 4: is that most people don't know whether or not they
Speaker 4: can trust t Rex and the current position because the
Speaker 4: claims are that the public ethos that t REX has
Speaker 4: is not being upheld, and there's a lot of claims
Speaker 4: that are in question that people just are unsure of
Speaker 4: whether or not they believe t Rex or they believe Lucas.
Speaker 4: I think people want to believe in the mission, but
Speaker 4: they just don't know if they can trust Rex at
Speaker 4: the moment.
Speaker 2: And that's part of what I meant by I guess
Speaker 2: they all kind of all all these questions kind of
Speaker 2: congeal around an answer, which.
Speaker 1: Is dude, the pained expression like putting his head down,
Speaker 1: resting it, like fiddling with the viace. He's like, ah,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know there is an answer somewhere
Speaker 1: in there, or he's trying to dance around it or
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. But this brings him like physical
Speaker 1: pain to watch this, which is like I will admit
Speaker 1: that there is a bit of a watching a train
Speaker 1: wreck that I do enjoy, especially when it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's not super consequential. Really, it's like it's a bad
Speaker 1: interview that somebody's giving, you know, it's not in the
Speaker 1: grand scheme of things. Everything that's already Ben said has
Speaker 1: Ben said, and it's all going to come out one
Speaker 1: way or the other. And Isaac gets himself into these
Speaker 1: problems by talking. In fact, t Rex's Arms has continuously
Speaker 1: got themselves into these problems by talking when they should
Speaker 1: just stop doing it.
Speaker 2: Lucas has slandered the company and made some false accusations.
Speaker 1: See that is actually a really big claim. And now
Speaker 1: I went back today and gosh, I had to rewatch
Speaker 1: all of this stuff over and over again. But there
Speaker 1: really isn't anything slanderous that Lucas said, and like you
Speaker 1: might be able to say, like there's some things that
Speaker 1: he said were incorrect or framed differently, which honestly just
Speaker 1: sounds like two different people having different recollections of the
Speaker 1: exact same event. Because I was trying to find like
Speaker 1: all the contradictions between Lucas's statements between t rex Arm statements,
Speaker 1: and there's obvious contradictions with the t rex Arm statements.
Speaker 1: As we'll get into in this interview, and there's a
Speaker 1: reason why I have this specific timestamp pulled up. But
Speaker 1: for Lucas, it's like it's more minor, right, And I
Speaker 1: would say he was actually relatively kind in his video,
Speaker 1: and everybody's been relatively amicable, right, nobody's said anything too egregious. However,
Speaker 1: I mean in their longer response, their twenty minute response
Speaker 1: with everyone, they do make some a lot of actually
Speaker 1: lack of professional claims about Lucas, Right. So if one
Speaker 1: person's side is making more claims about an individual than
Speaker 1: the other, I would say it is t rex Arms
Speaker 1: has made more specific claims about Lucas than Lucas has
Speaker 1: had about anyone else.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that the internet would like to, I mean,
Speaker 2: see us fight fire with fire, because that's good, that's
Speaker 2: good drama, that's very interesting and entertaining. And I think
Speaker 2: that we can actually because it is a family dispute
Speaker 2: and that really is what it is at at the
Speaker 2: heart of it, and because we really really want.
Speaker 1: To chatschavic Flex says they should get together for Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: and live streaming. Yes, that's what we need. We need
Speaker 1: WWE style Botkin Thanksgiving dinner, Okay, I'll put it on.
Speaker 1: I'll be the mediator, the co host or like what
Speaker 1: are they called the broadcasters or the commentary team. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's like calling the fight live, Like that's what it'll be.
Speaker 1: That could be fun to.
Speaker 2: Leave the door open for some kind of reconciliation with
Speaker 2: Lucas in the future. That is the main reason that
Speaker 2: we have not really engaged on a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: those things and and just gone down the list and
Speaker 2: answered all of them, and Lucas has behaved in a
Speaker 2: way that I think does really it could very easily
Speaker 2: be a very loud, very high drama situation on the Internet,
Speaker 2: with both sides fighting, fighting back, and I don't think
Speaker 2: that is the appropriate place to do that, just in public,
Speaker 2: in public opinion. And again, our hope is for reconciliation
Speaker 2: with Lucas and not just to like go scorched earth
Speaker 2: the way that internet, you know, YouTube channels are supposed
Speaker 2: to fight. But the other thing that I would say
Speaker 2: is I think that because we have such a kind
Speaker 2: of a negative culture, I would say, and because they're.
Speaker 1: I don't know about the negative culture thing, I think
Speaker 1: that there's a culture that feeds off of drama and issues, sure,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. It's like it's kind of like
Speaker 1: you put yourself into a situation where everyone hates you,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, yeah, but that's that's just the
Speaker 1: culture wants to hate and it seems to be like
Speaker 1: skirting responsibility, you know. It's like, I don't know, think
Speaker 1: about any time that I've called anyone out and then
Speaker 1: their audience comes and attacks me and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: and imagine me being like, oh, this is just such
Speaker 1: a negative space. It's like, Nope, that's just a response
Speaker 1: to my own actions. That's how that works. Like the
Speaker 1: fallout meme. Once again, everyone disliked that. Yeah you shot
Speaker 1: the puppy in the street and nobody liked that. Sorry, bro,
Speaker 1: now they're all attacking you and you just can't figure
Speaker 1: it out. It's not because it's a negative environment. It's
Speaker 1: because of your own actions.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: Lucas Baking and Chat says, it can be a family
Speaker 1: dispute after they've honored the shareholder agreement, which is essentially
Speaker 1: the core of everything we've all signed via the laws
Speaker 1: of Tennessee and our company. That is a point that
Speaker 1: I do want to get to because Isaac kind of
Speaker 1: opfu skates in a section and he's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: we have the shareholder agreement up on the website. They
Speaker 1: have the one from twenty fifteen, but not the updated
Speaker 1: one from twenty nineteen where Isaac came on board. So
Speaker 1: that's not actually true, and I do want to talk
Speaker 1: about that one as well.
Speaker 2: There is such a negative attitude on the internet, even
Speaker 2: inside of the gun or not the gun industry as
Speaker 2: much as the gun culture or the gun community on YouTube.
Speaker 2: I would say, you probably can't build your trust on
Speaker 2: anything that anybody says, and you should probably be very
Speaker 2: careful about throwing away trust.
Speaker 1: Is that a trustworthy statement? Though? Right? I hate I
Speaker 1: hate when people do that. It's the no true justified belief.
Speaker 1: It's like, is that a true justified belief? No, of
Speaker 1: course not. Thanks for saying nothing.
Speaker 2: Just because of what anybody says. You should really wait
Speaker 2: and see what actions are. Are the actions of this
Speaker 2: company not just see right, but are the actions of
Speaker 2: a company actually lining up with what they say? Does
Speaker 2: it actually still continue to be consistent with the mission
Speaker 2: or what they've stated. Are they continuing to do the
Speaker 2: things that they've always done? Those are the things you
Speaker 2: really need to look for because talk is very cheap,
Speaker 2: not just now, but talk is very cheap on the internet.
Speaker 2: So I would say that's what customers should really be
Speaker 2: looking for with any company. But there's also something more,
Speaker 2: and this is one of the things that is the
Speaker 2: most painful about the thing. There's a very painful family schism.
Speaker 1: I see Jade and Chat as well. Hope you're doing well. No, again,
Speaker 1: the same recommendations I would give to Isaac I would
Speaker 1: give to Lucas. People saying Lucas should come on Chat like, No,
Speaker 1: Lucas has way better things to do today, like he
Speaker 1: tweeted something earlier today like I'm sitting on the porch
Speaker 1: with my wife eating chocolate. Infinitely more important than in
Speaker 1: dealing in this right, because essentially, listen, if you're in
Speaker 1: a legal battle with someone and they keep saying stupid
Speaker 1: things like don't like double the amount of stupidity, just
Speaker 1: just let them do their thing, Just let them talk, right,
Speaker 1: you know, never interrupt your enemy when he's making mistake. Now,
Speaker 1: of course this is your family, so it's not quite
Speaker 1: the same dynamic. But as soon as they can move
Speaker 1: past this business thing, right, you can actually get to
Speaker 1: the you know, the reconciliation part.
Speaker 2: Obviously here, but the other one is that what's really
Speaker 2: heartbreaking is the t Rex didn't just have loyal customers.
Speaker 2: Cult following isn't, you know, maybe necessarily the most complimentary thing.
Speaker 2: But t Rex had like not just loyal customers, and
Speaker 2: our YouTube channel didn't just have subscribers. There were a
Speaker 2: lot of people that loved t Rex and the mission
Speaker 2: and being part of something that.
Speaker 1: So I am curious where does Isaac think that that
Speaker 1: stemmed from? Because let's let's look at all the possible
Speaker 1: avenues where this loyal YouTube fan based, loyal Instagram fan based, loyal,
Speaker 1: you know, consumer fan base. Where did all the stuff
Speaker 1: come from? Was it David nor No? Was it David
Speaker 1: Botkin No? Was it the CEO? No? Was it Brandon Wombat?
Speaker 1: Like maybe a little bit. He definitely has some fans
Speaker 1: for sure, like definitely has a following. Yes, was it Isaac?
Speaker 1: Like Isaac probably has the biggest sub following of everyone
Speaker 1: in that endeavor. I would say it's like Lucas like
Speaker 1: way at the top, then Isaac somewhere down here, and
Speaker 1: then Brandon and then like no one else, Right, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. You had a insanely loyal YouTube
Speaker 1: fan based Instagram following, you know, whatever else it might
Speaker 1: have been consumer following, t rex Labs, all the other channels. Right,
Speaker 1: you were expanding, growing rapidly with a huge amount of
Speaker 1: people behind you, for sure. But where do you think
Speaker 1: that that stemmed from. Right, Let's just do it before
Speaker 1: and after. Okay, Lucas is with the company, super loyal
Speaker 1: fan base. Lucas is not with the company, not such
Speaker 1: a loyal fan base anymore. There's still some for sure.
Speaker 1: There were lots of people. There is an anti Lucas
Speaker 1: like group of people, for sure. There's anti Lucas people
Speaker 1: in the chat that are like, oh I love Isaac,
Speaker 1: I hate Lucas. Like fine, fair enough, But you have
Speaker 1: to understand that you are in the minority position, right.
Speaker 1: The numbers just are what they are. If you're a
Speaker 1: pro Isaac anti Lucas, you just are in the minority. Right.
Speaker 1: That's just objective fact.
Speaker 2: That was more than just a YouTube down and a
Speaker 2: manufacturing company. And I know that this this schism, it
Speaker 2: hasn't just hurt our family, and it hasn't just hurt
Speaker 2: people in the company. I know that it's hurt a
Speaker 2: lot of people on the internet, people who are are
Speaker 2: part of who are who were seeing themselves as really
Speaker 2: part of something and they were because t Rex has
Speaker 2: always had, and more so in the past, good two
Speaker 2: way communication with customers and email and feedback, and that's
Speaker 2: been a big part of product development and policies inside
Speaker 2: of the company on on different things. And the same
Speaker 2: with with the YouTube channel, where interacting with folks has
Speaker 2: really led us to make certain types of content for
Speaker 2: people because it's what they were needing or asking for.
Speaker 2: So it's it's been a very two way thing in
Speaker 2: in in a lot of ways just a really really great,
Speaker 2: wonderful thing. And so my my heart really goes out
Speaker 2: to everybody that was part of that on either side
Speaker 2: of the you know, on either side of them, you know, company, customer, viewer, producer,
Speaker 2: that that team of t Rex customers, fans, followers, and
Speaker 2: people at t Rex I really do agree that was
Speaker 2: something incredibly special and that was something that got really
Speaker 2: damaged and a lot of people really got you know,
Speaker 2: got hit by shrapnel.
Speaker 4: So is there any fear from the current ownership or
Speaker 4: any discussions behind the scenes that So you're saying that
Speaker 4: the public breakup between you guys, and the claims are
Speaker 4: out there, there's false claims, and you don't want to
Speaker 4: damage Lucas's reputation and you hope for reconciliation one day,
Speaker 4: but you also believe in this mission that t Rex
Speaker 4: is yes, and the looks at him at being so
Speaker 4: one sided. Like I believe most people in the industry
Speaker 4: view t Rex the company and Lucas Bakin as being
Speaker 4: synonymous with one another.
Speaker 5: So I think thirty on the internet, I think that's
Speaker 5: true on the internet, where is it not true?
Speaker 1: So he obviously like we can just look at the numbers,
Speaker 1: which I planned to do later, but you can just
Speaker 1: go over to any of these channels and like, let's
Speaker 1: just select the videos on screen quartermill one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty seventy two hundred sixty five, one hundred and fifty eight,
Speaker 1: two sixty one, right, And where's the t Rex Arms channel.
Speaker 1: And let's say twenty ten ninety five not bad, thirty
Speaker 1: sixty four, thirteen fifty forty one, forty six, fifty five,
Speaker 1: thirty two, forty four, sixty four, twenty four, twenty is
Speaker 1: very good. Ninety six four to thirty three also a
Speaker 1: good one, right, thirty one thirty two forty So your
Speaker 1: average normal video, your median videos maybe like forty K
Speaker 1: for a channel with one point sixty five million subs,
Speaker 1: And Lucas by himself is looking at an average one
Speaker 1: point eight mil, four hundred thousand, one hundred K, maybe
Speaker 1: eighty K, right, I mean there's some really banger videos
Speaker 1: in here one twenty three, two thirty six, three hundred
Speaker 1: and two sixteen, one seventy eighty four, one eighty four eleven,
Speaker 1: But that when there was up today, right, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I say probably one hundred, one hundred and twenty K
Speaker 1: average on Lucas and maybe forty K average medium on
Speaker 1: t rex Arms. So yeah, I get that the Internet
Speaker 1: isn't always real life, of course, but who is? Like
Speaker 1: are you just talking about your business partners, like the
Speaker 1: people that you buy stuff from, Like, of course, they're
Speaker 1: still not going to have a negative view of you.
Speaker 1: They want your money, It's like duh, right, Whereas the
Speaker 1: flip side of it is, instead of the people doing
Speaker 1: business with you in terms of like a mutual relationship,
Speaker 1: the consumer side is they're giving you money, right, they
Speaker 1: want a pro from you. They want to believe in
Speaker 1: your mission statement if they believe in your mission statement,
Speaker 1: they're more likely to give you money. YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 1: And that relationship has obviously been almost completely severed, right.
Speaker 2: But not so much in the larger industry. But but
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I kind of interrupted you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean we can get into that after this.
Speaker 4: But is there any fear that by not fighting those
Speaker 4: false claims that you'll put yourself in a situation where
Speaker 4: t Rex Arms and the employees and the family that
Speaker 4: you are outspokenly wanting to continue the mission for you're
Speaker 4: putting them in a bad spot by not.
Speaker 3: Disputing the false clients that are out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is great. That is a great question, and
Speaker 2: the answer is yes, it's it's a very hard position
Speaker 2: to be in. I guarantee you that if we.
Speaker 1: But can we just get some recognition that you're the
Speaker 1: one who put yourself in that position? Right? We could
Speaker 1: have We could have stayed this off for a long time.
Speaker 1: I think obviously one by not putting out first video.
Speaker 1: If you had just not done that, I think that
Speaker 1: we would have pushed this whole drama back, not indefinitely,
Speaker 1: but several months at least, Right, And then you could
Speaker 1: have waited to counter whatever Lucas said first, rather than
Speaker 1: Lucas coming out afterwards and basically eating your lunch, right
Speaker 1: in terms of the public display the public fighting, right,
Speaker 1: or alternatively, you could also just settle this behind the
Speaker 1: scenes and either pay to him what he's owed or
Speaker 1: you know, worked out some sort of payment plan. I
Speaker 1: don't know how that stuff works. I'm sure that's a
Speaker 1: lot of money. But yeah, now you're in a year
Speaker 1: long legal battle and you're going to spend a million
Speaker 1: dollars on legal fees, like on one side, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're losing thirty employees, fifty employees, seventy five employees. Like,
Speaker 1: eventually t Rex Arms will stabilize, but it's going to
Speaker 1: be at a much smaller point in time. Right. I
Speaker 1: think Adaptive is moving into a new warehouse like today, right,
Speaker 1: I think they just finished doing all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: and you're downsizing, Right, So who's winning who's losing? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, how long can you hold out? Because I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of the meme that has been floating
Speaker 1: around since Lucas left is that eventually he might he
Speaker 1: might just buy it back for like one tenth of
Speaker 1: what it was originally worth, Right, which would kind of
Speaker 1: be hilarious in a way. And again in their stated goal,
Speaker 1: why they did not want to acquiesce to Lucas's demands
Speaker 1: is because Lucas wanted to lay off like some proportion
Speaker 1: of the staff at t Rex Arms, right. I think
Speaker 1: in the video David Botkin mentions ten percent, which is
Speaker 1: actually considerably less than what you've currently laid off yourselves.
Speaker 1: So how's that working out for you?
Speaker 2: We had decided to unload everything on the internet, YouTube
Speaker 2: numbers would be much better. I'm sure that there would
Speaker 2: be very good, very good click through rate on videos
Speaker 2: about that stuff. I mean you can see that right now.
Speaker 2: There's there's definitely channels where they're getting very good eyeballs
Speaker 2: and very good attention by by talking about the drama.
Speaker 2: It's kind of died down a little bit, but yeah,
Speaker 2: that would be a way where we could absolutely get
Speaker 2: some attention and absolutely get some eyeballs by by doing that.
Speaker 2: But again, it's it is this this very difficult balance
Speaker 2: where we are trying to.
Speaker 7: It.
Speaker 2: It sounds kind of silly as they were trying to
Speaker 2: be the bigger man, but we are. We are trying
Speaker 2: to not fight private stuff in public and.
Speaker 1: Again, but what what benefit does this even have anymore? Right, Like,
Speaker 1: why because you can't save your employees? Is I think
Speaker 1: this is pride? I think that you know the family
Speaker 1: stuff and that drama is kind of secondary to me,
Speaker 1: like the way that I'm reading the this is just
Speaker 1: me being retired. Maybe, but it almost seems like pride.
Speaker 1: You know, Lucas attempted to buy you out. You said no,
Speaker 1: Lucas wanted to be bought out. Essentially, you said no
Speaker 1: that you guys didn't need him, and now the company
Speaker 1: is suffering heavily, and to back down now would be
Speaker 1: to essentially tell Lucas that he was right. I mean,
Speaker 1: it does seem a little prideful to me.
Speaker 2: Right, we are trying to It sounds kind of silly
Speaker 2: as they were trying to be the bigger man, but
Speaker 2: we are trying to not fight private stuff in public,
Speaker 2: and we are trying to really honor our brother who
Speaker 2: is still our brother and his reputation by just not
Speaker 2: addressing certain things. And that does put you in awkward
Speaker 2: place when the gun industry is pretty slow right now
Speaker 2: and getting attention and trying to convince people that that
Speaker 2: basould buy from t Rex instead of any other company
Speaker 2: is Yeah, it is. It is a very interesting trying
Speaker 2: to thread that needle.
Speaker 1: I would say he's one hundred percent correct. There. So
Speaker 1: t Rex Arms, outside of a couple of products, like
Speaker 1: some of their nylon products, and like, I mean, they
Speaker 1: just released the Titan holster, at least judging from the
Speaker 1: YouTube numbers like not great. Right, doesn't look too good
Speaker 1: for him. They don't have a great value proposition in
Speaker 1: the market, especially you know, combined with the Trump slump
Speaker 1: two point zero, they don't really do anything novel or interesting. Again,
Speaker 1: outside of a couple products, So how do I buy
Speaker 1: from you versus Primary Arms, which has a bigger selection
Speaker 1: and better prices generally, It's like, why would I do that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't believe in your mission anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't believe you know, the guy who got me
Speaker 1: into t Rex Arms is no longer under there. So
Speaker 1: what am I giving you money again for? Right? Which
Speaker 1: is always the question? Right, you have to ask yourself
Speaker 1: that why would I buy my own product? Like? What
Speaker 1: value do I add? Right? Why would anyone care about this?
Speaker 1: What does this actually do in the market? Right?
Speaker 6: So where what was the catalyst for the breakoup? I'm
Speaker 6: sure this started a long time ago. What was the
Speaker 6: exciting incident to this or was it just a bunch
Speaker 6: of little things that added up into one big thing?
Speaker 2: I mean there, Yeah, there's a bunch of little things
Speaker 2: that you know have always existed, a lot of them
Speaker 2: pre day. T Rex probably two Rex is not the
Speaker 2: first business that our family has had together, and it's
Speaker 2: not the first time that people in the family have
Speaker 2: all been working on one business but had different opinions
Speaker 2: about how to do stuff.
Speaker 1: But I would say so the Botkin lore goes way back,
Speaker 1: all right, you guys need to look up not just
Speaker 1: the Dad's quiver ful stuff, but like the other foundations
Speaker 1: that they've been a part of, some of the sisters,
Speaker 1: some of their older work, some of their cosplay stuff,
Speaker 1: which is quite funny, not cosplay in like a degenerate way,
Speaker 1: but in just like a different things that they've done
Speaker 1: at different times. Isaac has been on camera since he
Speaker 1: was a very young man, doing like Christian archaeology type
Speaker 1: stuff and lots of old videos that you can go
Speaker 1: back and find in sort of like a Christian homeschooling
Speaker 1: kind of genre where they do a bunch of different
Speaker 1: topics and whatnot. You can find baby Lucas on camera
Speaker 1: as well. Just quite funny, you know, with the whole
Speaker 1: family out there, and some of it is very wholesome,
Speaker 1: you know, some of them. It's not bad. I'm not
Speaker 1: clowning on him for that. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: that the family and the father specifically have been involved
Speaker 1: in a lot over the years, a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that as we'll get into now, I
Speaker 1: think the father has a lot of influence over the brothers.
Speaker 1: I think the father has a lot to do with
Speaker 1: this whole thing.
Speaker 2: Lucas basically cut off all almost all contact contact with
Speaker 2: his family in twenty twenty one ish, sometime in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, except for his brothers that we were working
Speaker 2: at t REX with him. Obviously he was seeing us,
Speaker 2: but essentially cut off all contact with everybody else. That
Speaker 2: was really when things started to go downhill pretty quickly.
Speaker 6: Does that mean an extended family or is that even
Speaker 6: inside of your immediate family?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, other brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1: Now that is actually like probably the worst timing, right
Speaker 1: because I think let me consult their graph here. Okay,
Speaker 1: so twenty twenty one, where is it twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: Rising conflict. Yeah yeah, yeah, David, I I posting up
Speaker 1: roles Lucas's wife. When did Lucas get married? So Lucas
Speaker 1: gets married November of twenty twenty early one is when
Speaker 1: the conflict starts to arise, and he basically cuts everyone off,
Speaker 1: of course, outside of the people that he's actually working with.
Speaker 1: Mark Dole becomes the CEO around that time, or at
Speaker 1: least on the leadership board. The ACUO drama, all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff happens. That was very funny, and then
Speaker 1: of course the relationship just degrades. Right. Essentially, the way
Speaker 1: it looks from the outside is that Lucas gets married,
Speaker 1: has an outside figure coming into the family, and the
Speaker 1: rest of the family is like, we don't like that
Speaker 1: as much. And that's where basically all of the drama
Speaker 1: comes from. Now, as someone who has a large family myself,
Speaker 1: that being eight siblings and you know, all the brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters, they got married, most of them, and you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes the choices people make in their lives are suboptimal, right,
Speaker 1: So I am very aware of family drama and aging
Speaker 1: parents and all sorts of other fun stuff that goes
Speaker 1: on in families. You add in a twenty million dollar
Speaker 1: business to all of that, and suddenly things get quite spicy.
Speaker 1: Suddenly things get scary. Okay, you know this is real stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not in business with any of my family,
Speaker 1: but you know, if there was, if I had to, damn,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure there would be some conflict. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of room here for problems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't didn't come to Thanksgiving or Christmas, didn't do
Speaker 2: anything with Mo or Dad. That kind of thing. That was.
Speaker 2: That was when you know, there's you could, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of draw like a curve, but then at some
Speaker 2: point the curve starts to get steeper. So it was
Speaker 2: it was probably that was really where it felt like
Speaker 2: things were on a bad trajectory at that point.
Speaker 6: So then after that we get if we kind of
Speaker 6: go down the timeline here, you guys posted a timeline
Speaker 6: once you guys made.
Speaker 2: Your oh yes on the t rex channel on the TXTRA.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you posted the timeline in conjunction with your video.
Speaker 6: So around twenty thirteen, Lucas arst Rex and David Batkan,
Speaker 6: your brother and David nor join and then in twenty
Speaker 6: fifteen twenty eighteen the original partnership agreement was signed, and
Speaker 6: then you joined in the shareholder agreement to sign. What
Speaker 6: were some of the conflicts or were there any interpersonal
Speaker 6: conflicts in that timeframe with say the shareholder agreements or
Speaker 6: was everybody kind of already on board with everything?
Speaker 2: And it was just.
Speaker 1: Sorry, we'll get to this in just a second. I
Speaker 1: see Kodiak in the chat saying who is and is
Speaker 1: not a Christian? Which is very ironic and something that
Speaker 1: you should probably not engage with. I don't know who
Speaker 1: gave you the authority to determine who is and does
Speaker 1: not Crazy work Codiac to call other people prideful while saying,
Speaker 1: for comments online, this person is not a Christian and
Speaker 1: therefore destined to hell. Wild work Codiac, thank you for
Speaker 1: your humility there, buds.
Speaker 6: Or is everybody kind of already on board with everything?
Speaker 6: And it was just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't There weren't really paperwork conflicts, Like most
Speaker 2: of the conflicts were around, yeah, just business other business
Speaker 2: stuff like policy stuff like how much we were going
Speaker 2: to spend on politics or you know, whether we were
Speaker 2: going to keep certain features on a specific culture or
Speaker 2: you know, stuff like that. There weren't really these kind
Speaker 2: of these kind of contract disputes with the original Schederholders
Speaker 2: agreement until quite a bit later.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm not sure if Isaac here is talking
Speaker 1: about the twenty fifteen or the twenty nineteen agreement. So
Speaker 1: Lucas says, as a note, my wife is the only
Speaker 1: one who had a job in career when I met her.
Speaker 1: Was a chemical engineer in aerospace in Huntsville. Owned her
Speaker 1: own real estate when I met her. Just some fun
Speaker 1: background now going back here here it is okay, so
Speaker 1: this is the twenty fifteen t Rex Arms partnership agreement
Speaker 1: between the two David's David Botkin, David Nor and Lucas himself.
Speaker 1: So Lucas gets sixty percent of the profits until he
Speaker 1: reaches that fifty k. Once they get to that fifty k,
Speaker 1: then it's Lucas at thirty five, David at twenty five,
Speaker 1: David at twenty five, and then the other is split
Speaker 1: between somebody else in here. I forget exactly how the
Speaker 1: mouth works. But again, the one interesting part in here
Speaker 1: is the little apostasy clause, which I don't know if
Speaker 1: I noticed this the first time. I didn't realize this,
Speaker 1: But they have an apostasy clause says if a partner
Speaker 1: is put out of his local church, he shall lose
Speaker 1: say in direction of the partnership, but retain rights to
Speaker 1: work and a profits. Now this I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's enforceable. Is there an apostasy clause? Can you legally
Speaker 1: enforce apostasy in a legal agreement? Like? That's actually insane, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy? And also the other thing, correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, But weren't they all attending their father's church.
Speaker 1: So are they saying like if you leave your dad's church,
Speaker 1: you get kicked out to the leadership team? Is that right?
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm maybe I'm misremembering if they were all going
Speaker 1: to the same church or not. But that seems crazy, right,
Speaker 1: That's almost like it's almost like a theocracy in a way.
Speaker 1: You know, if the pastor at your local church kicks
Speaker 1: you out, it's like he has the final say on
Speaker 1: uh on who has a directorship of t rex Arms,
Speaker 1: Which is crazy, Lucas says, don't get me started, Okay,
Speaker 1: fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I know Lucas claimed in his video, he
Speaker 6: said that there was no lawyer present at the shareholder
Speaker 6: agreement for him to talk to when that was going down.
Speaker 6: Uh so, and then I think it was Brandon one,
Speaker 6: but it.
Speaker 2: Was there was definitely a lawyer there.
Speaker 6: There was a lad there, So would that be one
Speaker 6: of the claims that, yeah, and I think that's so.
Speaker 1: I think one of the claims that this is again
Speaker 1: like a disagreement in like what actually happened. So I
Speaker 1: believe what Isaac is saying is that there was a
Speaker 1: lawyer present, but it wasn't representing any of them, like specifically.
Speaker 1: It was basically just to make sure that the agreement
Speaker 1: was legally binding, right, So the lawyer wasn't specifically looking
Speaker 1: out for Isaac, David, David or Lucas, right, it was
Speaker 1: just looking out for like, is this actually legally binding? Basically?
Speaker 1: So Lucas in that way did not have his own
Speaker 1: legal representation, which he probably should have of course, you know,
Speaker 1: but you're not always thinking that, oh, this is going
Speaker 1: to turn into a fight over a twenty million dollar
Speaker 1: company five years from now whatever it might be, right,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you should probably have your own legal representative
Speaker 1: that's looking out for your own advice. Okay. I know
Speaker 1: we all hate lawyers. I know lawyers suck, But if
Speaker 1: you're going to get into business with family and you
Speaker 1: think there's going to be a lot of money involved, Like,
Speaker 1: just spend the whatever it happens to be. Just spend
Speaker 1: the money.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know that's that's probably a good one to correct.
Speaker 2: It's a kind of a lower octane win. Sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it was just one lawyer, correct, Just one lawyer, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: just going over to the document writing help writing that agreement.
Speaker 1: Okay, And so he just cared about the agreement. That's
Speaker 1: it with the individual.
Speaker 6: We're dealing with that at the time.
Speaker 1: No, no, I know.
Speaker 2: I mean some people have said, oh, you should never
Speaker 2: do that. Everybody you should have a lawyer, how much
Speaker 2: ano their own lawyer. But when a company is selling
Speaker 2: three holsters a day on average, you should not hire
Speaker 2: three lawyers. I'm not a lawyer, but I can tell
Speaker 2: you if that's your business.
Speaker 1: Okay. Two sides to this though, right, Yeah, three holsters
Speaker 1: a day not much money. But at the same time
Speaker 1: we're selling, you know or sorry, writing and agreeing to
Speaker 1: legal terms between the family four three holsters a day.
Speaker 1: So on the one hand, it's like, oh, it's not
Speaker 1: a big deal. But on the other hand, no, we're signing.
Speaker 1: We're signing binding legal terms, right, So it's a little
Speaker 1: bit of double speak. It's like, on one hand, not
Speaker 1: that big of a deal. On the other hand, these
Speaker 1: are legally binding. By the way, I have twenty five
Speaker 1: percent of your company now, right, and.
Speaker 2: Your business is selling three holes series a day. Do
Speaker 2: not hire three layers, you know, have a lot of
Speaker 2: look at your paperwork. But some of the some of
Speaker 2: the things that people have said, in hindsight, we should
Speaker 2: have done or I think not at actually picturing the
Speaker 2: situation or the size of the company.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah.
Speaker 4: And another big discrepancy that people point out to. One
Speaker 4: of the bigger things is that you know, Lucas being
Speaker 4: the founder of t Rex, Like you guys don't dispute
Speaker 4: that he started t Rex.
Speaker 2: Oh no, not at all. The hebe store, Instagram channel
Speaker 2: and first first iteration, bro.
Speaker 1: The chat is wild tonight. They're like, Lucas Bodkin does
Speaker 1: not believe in the Trinity. Lucas Botkin does not believe
Speaker 1: that the Nicean creed. All right, all right, I'll ask
Speaker 1: him what his thoughts are on Niceea too. That's the
Speaker 1: more important one, okay. That's the delineation between East and West.
Speaker 2: Here's the website.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's one of the things that
Speaker 4: people like to talk about. You know, Lucas says that
Speaker 4: he when he started the company, he was doing one
Speaker 4: hundred percent of the work for a time period, he
Speaker 4: was hiring people, and then David and David got involved
Speaker 4: and they wanted to be owners and that first initial
Speaker 4: paperwork that was being signed and being agreed to, that
Speaker 4: was kind of Lucas losing control over the company that
Speaker 4: he started. And the view is from people online online
Speaker 4: sentiment is that a young Lucas was being taken advantage
Speaker 4: of and lost all control to his company. Like essentially
Speaker 4: current ownership just took it over and took advantage of him.
Speaker 2: Well again, I just I don't think they're picturing it adequately.
Speaker 2: Like anytime there is a partnership, there's a partnership agreement
Speaker 2: that describes who owns what, who's bringing what to the
Speaker 2: table in exchange for ownership. So, yeah, that was that
Speaker 2: was something that happened when sales were around three holders
Speaker 2: a day. They were getting made in mom and Dad's
Speaker 2: garage on some of our.
Speaker 1: This is careful, okay, because I've dealt with something very
Speaker 1: similar to this all right. So whenever you're dealing with
Speaker 1: family or friends or anything like that, you think that
Speaker 1: you're borrowing or they're giving use in good faith. And
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is if I go over
Speaker 1: to my buddy's house and I'm like, hey, do you
Speaker 1: mind if I use your shop for this and that?
Speaker 1: And then like you know, I'll just ye, I need
Speaker 1: it for a time. Do you mind if I do?
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, yeah, sure, do whatever you want. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: that's fine and dandy, All well and good. You don't
Speaker 1: owe me anything, Just go do your thing. And then
Speaker 1: it's like later on that guy starts making ten k
Speaker 1: a month or ten k a week doing whatever it
Speaker 1: happens to be in that place, and then suddenly what
Speaker 1: was chill and cool is now actually you retroactively owe me.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I mean no, that's not how that works.
Speaker 1: It's like your it's like, what's the opposite of an
Speaker 1: Indian giver or I guess that would technically be an
Speaker 1: Indian giver? Right, It's like you have allowed somebody to
Speaker 1: use something for a time, you know, because it's not
Speaker 1: doing anything, and then as soon as like they get successful,
Speaker 1: it's like okay, now retroactively, you you owe me. Okay,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't do this without me. I got in on
Speaker 1: the ground floor. Okay, this is about me.
Speaker 2: Now our tools, Lucas was shooting competitions with David. David's guns,
Speaker 2: his sister's.
Speaker 1: Sorry, go back here, because this is This is basically
Speaker 1: him saying that no, this was always a family company
Speaker 1: because the family allowed Lucas to borrow things. Therefore, the
Speaker 1: family is owed Lucas's success basically, and again, be very
Speaker 1: careful when dealing with friends or family. If you ever
Speaker 1: become successful and at any point in time have ever
Speaker 1: borrowed anything from them, you know the bill is going
Speaker 1: to come. Do all right, so just be careful, be
Speaker 1: cognizant that this is very likely to happen. And when
Speaker 1: I heard this, I was like, yep, I know the
Speaker 1: feeling been there myself.
Speaker 2: Well in exchange for ownership. So so yeah, that was
Speaker 2: That was something that happened. When sales were around three
Speaker 2: Holser's day. They were getting made in mom and Dad's
Speaker 2: garage on some of our tools. Lucas was shooting competitions
Speaker 2: with David's guns. His sisters were buying an Ammo. Most
Speaker 2: of us were still living at home, Like everybody is
Speaker 2: pitching in on this thing, and in order for everybody
Speaker 2: to keep working on this thing some if it's going
Speaker 2: to become a partnership, then there's going to be some
Speaker 2: division of ownership and there's going to be some division
Speaker 2: of responsibilities. So if you want to have a partnership,
Speaker 2: that's just that's going to be the math that you're
Speaker 2: going to have to do. And if you don't want
Speaker 2: a partnership, then you can try to do it some
Speaker 2: other way. So, yeah, that was the That was the
Speaker 2: partnership agreement between the three original partners that everybody agreed
Speaker 2: to at the time.
Speaker 6: So moving on down the line. Then twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Sorry, people are asking for a poll. I'm confused. I
Speaker 1: must have missed it. What poll are people asking about?
Speaker 1: I'm very confused. My apologies. I know that people are
Speaker 1: obviously really opinionated. Here we have Isaac sort of the
Speaker 1: older brother who came in, you know what, six years
Speaker 1: after the whole thing started, and he kind of is
Speaker 1: the face of the company now for lack of a
Speaker 1: better term. I don't really think Brandon is because he's
Speaker 1: not on the leadership team. But it is kind of
Speaker 1: unfortunate in a way because Isaac really didn't have anything
Speaker 1: to do with t Rex Arms in a major way.
Speaker 1: Hope you pre twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, right poll was
Speaker 1: to show Toes Lucas or Jake. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: putting that poll up there, bro, he shut up.
Speaker 6: Diorx gets involved in politics? Was there any contention with
Speaker 6: getting into politics between anybody there?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 6: Was that was that like a hot well, like, oh,
Speaker 6: just didn't want to get into politics and I caused them?
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's what you guys said in your
Speaker 3: in your video when you really said that.
Speaker 2: One of the one of the disagreements for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So where did what were those things? Can you
Speaker 4: talk about what they were specifically? Because like outwardly from
Speaker 4: outside looking in, I mean, Lucas is an openly Christian person.
Speaker 4: He's very openly talks about his politics in the way
Speaker 4: that he views things, and from the perspective as well,
Speaker 4: it looks like.
Speaker 3: T Rex is aligned on those things.
Speaker 4: So what are the specifics behind that initial separation of
Speaker 4: direction of the company, specifically when it refers to politics
Speaker 4: and like voluntary Lunchhine prayer.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember I mean, I can't remember the
Speaker 2: exact specific arguments, but basically lobbying versus not lobbying, Like,
Speaker 2: is our politics going to be our political engagement? Is
Speaker 2: it going to be is it going to be spending
Speaker 2: actual money to put a lobbyist on the hill or
Speaker 2: is it just going to be other other types of activities?
Speaker 2: Are we actually going to be be fully engaged on stuff?
Speaker 2: But I can't remember the exact specifics of other like
Speaker 2: alternatives or things, because we discussed a ton of different things.
Speaker 2: We spent a lot of time just trying to figure
Speaker 2: out where we could be most effective and whether we
Speaker 2: should be nationally focused or whether we should be locally focused.
Speaker 2: Like there were there were many conversations about this, so
Speaker 2: I can't remember all of the specifics where we differed,
Speaker 2: but it was a lot of different I.
Speaker 1: Think Isaac might have his eyes closed for like fifty
Speaker 1: percent of this stream and totality right, just painfully trying
Speaker 1: to drudge up memories of what it was. What did
Speaker 1: we say here and there? What were the disagreements about,
Speaker 1: Like I get it, it's a lot, bro, it's a lot, bro,
Speaker 1: But you didn't have to be here. I could feel
Speaker 1: bad for you, but you put yourself here. Also, I'm
Speaker 1: continuing to drop the link to the Culture Warfare podcast
Speaker 1: where you need to subscribe, otherwise I will find you
Speaker 1: and make sure your toes are terrible. Okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to ruin your toes.
Speaker 2: Different things where there was where there were differences.
Speaker 3: So I guess I'm trying to, you know, wrap my
Speaker 3: mind around, like.
Speaker 4: Especially like the voluntary prayer thing, like why why did
Speaker 4: that become an issue?
Speaker 3: Like what happened there?
Speaker 2: This is another one that I don't really want to
Speaker 2: talk about. I think this is.
Speaker 1: Ah I get any any question that might be construed
Speaker 1: as like difficult or tough. It is that the pain,
Speaker 1: the horror, like it hurts me in my chest to
Speaker 1: talk about this. Yeah, voluntary prayer at a company is
Speaker 1: not a bad thing, right, You're a Christian company, you
Speaker 1: have public you know Christian values, it's in your mission statement.
Speaker 1: Everybody's publicly a Christian. I don't think that that's a
Speaker 1: bad thing in any way, shape or form. But in
Speaker 1: a way there can be like a weird pious thing, right,
Speaker 1: which I kind of I very much so dislike where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh hey buddy, I didn't see you at
Speaker 1: the prayer meeting yesterday. How are you doing, Bud? And
Speaker 1: it's like it puts everybody in this really weird, awkward
Speaker 1: situation where they have to appease like the piety signaling
Speaker 1: of some of the management team. Perhaps, right, if you're
Speaker 1: not being pious enough, if you're not being active enough
Speaker 1: with the team.
Speaker 2: Right ooh, a personal one. But I really don't know
Speaker 2: why it was such a big issue for Lucas that
Speaker 2: that was that was a point of contention. I still
Speaker 2: don't understand that one were actually explained that very well.
Speaker 6: Was he in favor opposed to it?
Speaker 2: Uh? He was opposed to how we were doing voluntary
Speaker 2: how we were doing voluntary prayer during different huddles, okay,
Speaker 2: but other things, yeah?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 6: Was it just like a team meeting, You guys get
Speaker 6: together and you know, just say a quick prayer before
Speaker 6: starting the workday or that kind of.
Speaker 2: Thing noontime before life breaks generally for a.
Speaker 1: Heart Well, Josie Wales, I think you're I think you're mischaracterizing,
Speaker 1: He says. Lucas lost me when I heard about the
Speaker 1: party he threw to humiliate the guy. No, I don't
Speaker 1: think that's accurate. I think that's a little bit uncharitable.
Speaker 1: I believe the claim is that Lucas at a party
Speaker 1: talked about the employee who sent pornographic images to his wife.
Speaker 1: And again I might be wrong about the timeline because
Speaker 1: that is quite fuzzy. I believe this was before the
Speaker 1: guy was fired from TM, so he was still on
Speaker 1: probation right, because he wasn't fired officially or left officially
Speaker 1: until after Lucas left on again May twenty eight of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. So my timing might be off. And
Speaker 1: I realize I'm closing my eyes like Isaac Botkin is.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should just do the rest of the stream
Speaker 1: with my eyes closed. Actually that could be really funny.
Speaker 1: But yeah, my timing might be off.
Speaker 2: There, huddle. But there's also just a lot of people
Speaker 2: that pray before meetings. That's another just part of company culture.
Speaker 6: I like, get that, okay, So then we can move
Speaker 6: on from twenty nineteen twenty twenty. Now, obviously COVID hits
Speaker 6: and the gun industry goes crazy. You guys expand and
Speaker 6: do huge numbers. I'm sure that was a fantastic year
Speaker 6: for pretty much everybody in the gun industry.
Speaker 2: It was probably our hardest year. I mean, it was
Speaker 2: fantastic sales, but yes, I would say it was probably
Speaker 2: our hardest year, just because growing a company is very stressful.
Speaker 2: We hired and trained ridiculously fast, and there was also
Speaker 2: a political stuff going on too. We at one point
Speaker 2: we were gearing up to fight with the governor over lockdowns,
Speaker 2: but then we got we got included into essential services,
Speaker 2: so we were gonna stay open in spite of lockdowns.
Speaker 2: We were preparing legal stuff against that, but then then
Speaker 2: we became essential and so.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that, Like Isaac is good at Isaac is
Speaker 1: good at the political stuff. He's good at the tech stuff.
Speaker 1: He's good at obviously, like the what's the whole manufacturing
Speaker 1: process that he was brought on to streamline and he
Speaker 1: did effectively do that. So I don't I think Isaac
Speaker 1: has a lot of strong suits. Right. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of positive things you can say about Isaac, right, not
Speaker 1: really the problem of him coming on and like publicly
Speaker 1: trying to defend the company from the accusations while at
Speaker 1: the same time trying to say as little as possible.
Speaker 1: Not good at that, not good at that. And again
Speaker 1: the advice still stands, lucas you gotta stop doing that. Uh,
Speaker 1: Lucas uh says, I held a going away party and
Speaker 1: explained to a smaller group of people of employees around
Speaker 1: twenty why I had to leave the company. I did
Speaker 1: not give the employee's name to the group. Okay, so
Speaker 1: that's what Lucas says on the matter. Yeah, because I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't remember it being framed like the other guy said.
Speaker 1: But again, this is the Internet, Okay. People just lie.
Speaker 1: People just say whatever they want. Bros.
Speaker 2: Oh we're open. So yeah, it was a crazy year.
Speaker 2: Everything was happening that year.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So bro, you guys are still you guys are super
Speaker 1: chatting so many theological religious questions for a guy who's
Speaker 1: not on the panel, like I. If you guys want
Speaker 1: to interrogate Lucas's theological positions, you guys should go over
Speaker 1: to like one of his Twitch streams or something and like,
Speaker 1: you know, send him money to answer those questions. Stop
Speaker 1: stop setting it to me, dude, I can't I okay,
Speaker 1: it's saying like Isaac shouldn't speak for t Rex arms
Speaker 1: or the whole situation. I'm not gonna give like Lucas's
Speaker 1: theological position. What I could just make stuff up. It
Speaker 1: could be really funny. I could be like, actually, he's
Speaker 1: a Assyrian Church of the East. Yep. He got baptized
Speaker 1: into the Assyrian Church of the East in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: so technically he's not in communion with the Greater Easter
Speaker 1: Orthodox and he's a Monophysite heretic. Yeah, so that's what
Speaker 1: I would say.
Speaker 6: With Lucas's positions, things were super busy obviously for you guys.
Speaker 6: Was there any would you say that kind of added
Speaker 6: to stress or tension between you guys just having so
Speaker 6: much going on.
Speaker 1: Lucas also adds that Brandon showed up late to that
Speaker 1: party and missed everything I said to the group. So
Speaker 1: if that is true, that means that Brandon heard it
Speaker 1: from a guy who heard it from a guy. And
Speaker 1: you have a game of telephone, and that's the problem, right,
Speaker 1: you have a lot of games of telephone going on.
Speaker 1: So like, what did David say to Lucas talking about
Speaker 1: the prenup? What did Isaac and everybody have to deal
Speaker 1: with with the post nup? Which we'll get to eventually,
Speaker 1: I promise you we will get there eventually. Right, it's
Speaker 1: like games of telephone or relying on people's memory, which
Speaker 1: is not a great, not a great, not a very
Speaker 1: reliable way to get to the truth of a matter, right,
Speaker 1: because my memory is not perfect, and I'm sure your
Speaker 1: memory is not perfect. And if you had to remember
Speaker 1: a conversation you had two years ago where you came
Speaker 1: away with a different feeling than the other guy did, like,
Speaker 1: it's just it's rough, okay, especially when family and money
Speaker 1: gets involved, or can.
Speaker 6: You give any examples of anything like that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Also, sorry, too many choices. Every time the PFI pop
Speaker 1: up hits the screen, he complains about his epilepsy. So
Speaker 1: if you guys could keep doing the COFIs instead of
Speaker 1: the YouTube so that we could hopefully put him into
Speaker 1: a stroke, that'd be fantastic.
Speaker 2: I mean hiring people rapidly, training onboarding and training people rapidly,
Speaker 2: trying to keep up with demand, but then also knowing
Speaker 2: what to do with with COVID, we were seeing, Oh man,
Speaker 2: it's probably easier. List what wasn't stressful in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: because it was everything We had products that we couldn't
Speaker 2: sell because of supply chain issues where we couldn't get
Speaker 2: the stuff, and it was stuff you might not even expect,
Speaker 2: like our ready rigs and play carriers have a four
Speaker 2: inch Elasti cumber bund, and the American Elasta company stopped
Speaker 2: making that because all they were making was the ear
Speaker 2: loops for the masks. Like it was wild stuff we
Speaker 2: were getting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I often block out large swaths of COVID, right,
Speaker 1: especially considering I lived in Washington State at the time,
Speaker 1: and you know, it is one of those things where
Speaker 1: they're doing like patrols and curfews and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and to be like the only person walking around without
Speaker 1: a mask, the only person like at work not following
Speaker 1: any of the mandates or whatnot, Like it is weird
Speaker 1: because you almost feel like a sense of superiority over
Speaker 1: everyone else, right, which of course you shouldn't have that feeling.
Speaker 1: But like when you're at like a grocery store and
Speaker 1: the cashier can like not look you in the eye
Speaker 1: because they're too terrified of the fact that you don't
Speaker 1: have a mask on, right, and they're just like looking
Speaker 1: away and like can't can't even be in your direction,
Speaker 1: and they're like wilting away from you. It was the
Speaker 1: funniest time ever, funniest time ever for me. Obviously, I
Speaker 1: wasn't in a manufacturer or I was into manufacturing, but
Speaker 1: I was doing steel plates and then I just stopped
Speaker 1: doing that when the price triple.
Speaker 2: Every every part of the company was stressful and everything
Speaker 2: was happening at a higher level with more people. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it was definitely, uh helpless a year, a pretty memorable year,
Speaker 2: and we had just moved into the shop. We had
Speaker 2: just moved out of the garage in twenty nineteen, so
Speaker 2: we were just you know, moving in and building out
Speaker 2: parts of the shops during that too.
Speaker 4: Sure, And that's that's right around the same time when
Speaker 4: Lucas was getting married at that point, and that's where
Speaker 4: another point of contention that you guys had in between
Speaker 4: your videos so specifically, one of the things that people
Speaker 4: are questioning is Lucas claimed that he was told that
Speaker 4: his wife needs to have a prenup when they were
Speaker 4: about to get married, and then t Rex's video that
Speaker 4: came out afterwards made it seem like that was Lucas's
Speaker 4: idea or he came I believe specifically the quote was
Speaker 4: he came to that conclusion that he needed to have
Speaker 4: her sign a prenup.
Speaker 1: So this is the one big area of difference between
Speaker 1: what Lucas has said and what t rex Arms has said.
Speaker 1: So if you go to Lucas's response here, which we
Speaker 1: might as well play a little bit of this, he
Speaker 1: says that I was pressured into getting a prenup when
Speaker 1: his brother's wives didn't. Obviously, you know, a little bit
Speaker 1: of a delineation there between the two, almost like he's
Speaker 1: getting treated like a little brother. And versus the t
Speaker 1: rex Arms response. They say that Lucas already wanted a
Speaker 1: prenup and he came to David saying, I want a
Speaker 1: prenup and this is causing problems between me and my wife.
Speaker 1: Now again, there is a way to actually harmonize both
Speaker 1: of these statements, right, and to say like perhaps in
Speaker 1: a conversation between Lucas and David, the topic of a
Speaker 1: prenup was brought up, whether by David or Lucas, and
Speaker 1: David felt that Lucas was already wanting to get a
Speaker 1: prenup and that was his takeaway, and perhaps Lucas was
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, well, I don't really want a prenup,
Speaker 1: but David seems to be pushing that way, like maybe
Speaker 1: he thinks that's a good idea. Right, So there is
Speaker 1: a way to actually harmonize both of these accounts where
Speaker 1: neither are actually lying, but their interpretation of events is
Speaker 1: just different. And actually, let's just play this little clip
Speaker 1: here from lucas.
Speaker 8: The three men and myself and my wife. Was right
Speaker 8: before we got married, I was getting a lot of
Speaker 8: pressure to sign a prenup. And the reasoning was, good,
Speaker 8: you're going to marry this girl, and if you get
Speaker 8: a divorce, we may have to share equity now with
Speaker 8: this woman that we didn't originally sign up to run.
Speaker 2: The business with. Very reasonable.
Speaker 8: So Karen and I talked about it and she said, yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm willing to sign a prenup, but they do.
Speaker 1: They have post nups, right, and so this is going
Speaker 1: to be a big area of controversy between the two.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can find this statement from
Speaker 1: I think it's David who said it. I should be
Speaker 1: able to find it. Let's just control of for pre here.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Praved presses presenting represent represent prenup. Here we go.
Speaker 10: And one of the most sensitive areas of disagreement surrounds
Speaker 10: the prenup situation. When Luke was moving in the direction of,
Speaker 10: you know, marriage with Kara, he recognized that he should
Speaker 10: have a prenup.
Speaker 1: Right, So David he recognized that he needed a prenup,
Speaker 1: Lucas David wanted me to get a prenup. Again, it
Speaker 1: is possible to actually harmonize those two statements and just
Speaker 1: be a difference of interpretation of events, right, Because I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's actually a bad thing or a
Speaker 1: older brother to recommend something to the younger brother. That's
Speaker 1: kind of like their job in life. Right. So for instance,
Speaker 1: if you do have a company making millions of dollars,
Speaker 1: then you have a woman who wants to marry into it,
Speaker 1: it's not a bad thing to talk to him about.
Speaker 1: Like I want to protect you, I want to make
Speaker 1: sure you're doing well, and maybe a prenup is actually
Speaker 1: a good thing in this case, right, I don't think
Speaker 1: that that's necessarily like out of the realm of what
Speaker 1: an older brother should be doing. Right. But again, it's
Speaker 1: who initiated it, who was forceful in it, who was
Speaker 1: pushing who essentially right, guys.
Speaker 10: And this was proving to be a challenging area of
Speaker 10: discussion between Luke and Kara, and I had an idea
Speaker 10: that if.
Speaker 1: We be and again this whole thing is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Lucas said a lot of bad things about us, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like you should take a little
Speaker 1: bit of responsibility because you've also framed Lucas in a
Speaker 1: really bad way as well, Like you're saying, like, oh,
Speaker 1: Lucas and Kara were fighting all the time, and this
Speaker 1: was a really big problem between the two of them
Speaker 1: when it came to a prenup, when according to Lucas,
Speaker 1: you were the guys pushing it on him in the
Speaker 1: first place.
Speaker 10: When Luke was moving in the direction of marriage with Kara,
Speaker 10: he recognized that he should have a prenup and this
Speaker 10: was proving to be a challenging area of discussion between
Speaker 10: Luke and Cara. And I had an idea that if
Speaker 10: we made it a company policy that unmarried owners, which
Speaker 10: would apply to Lucas and David Norho at that time
Speaker 10: was also not married.
Speaker 2: If we made a policy that.
Speaker 10: Owners had to get prenups before they got married, that
Speaker 10: would give Luke support and back him up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So again the way that they frame it is like
Speaker 1: we were just trying to help out little bro. He
Speaker 1: didn't know what he was doing, and we had to
Speaker 1: go in there and save him from his wife, which
Speaker 1: obviously does not paint her in a particularly favorable light.
Speaker 8: The owner group, the three men and myself and my
Speaker 8: wife was right before we got married. I was getting
Speaker 8: a lot of pressure to sign a prenup. And the
Speaker 8: reasoning was, good, you're going to marry this girl, and
Speaker 8: if you get a divorce, we may have to share
Speaker 8: equity now with this woman that we didn't originally sign
Speaker 8: up to run the business with.
Speaker 2: Very reasonable.
Speaker 8: So Karen and I talked about it and she said, yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm willing to sign a prenup, but they do they
Speaker 8: have post nups. And I said, now, I don't think
Speaker 8: they do.
Speaker 2: She had explained to me what those were.
Speaker 8: So she said, well, if they want you to do
Speaker 8: this so that they're protected from you, you should be
Speaker 8: able to have the same protections from them and their
Speaker 8: wives if they have a divorce.
Speaker 2: I thought pretty reasonable.
Speaker 8: So when to speak with my two brothers who were married,
Speaker 8: wasn't married yet, and the conversation did.
Speaker 2: Not go well.
Speaker 1: So again Lucas is now saying they pressured me into
Speaker 1: the prenup. Kara says, well, they should have a post up, right,
Speaker 1: we should be on even footing seems fair, right, and
Speaker 1: then the brothers do not take it well. Now this
Speaker 1: is important contrast with how Isaac views the post up
Speaker 1: because Isaac basically box at it, right, he laughs at it.
Speaker 1: He's like, this is stupid, this is this is dumb.
Speaker 1: We'll see Isaac's response here.
Speaker 4: The quote was he came to that conclusion that he
Speaker 4: needed to have her sign a prenup. And I think
Speaker 4: I have a quote here. I think this comes from David,
Speaker 4: your brother. When Luke was moving in the direction of
Speaker 4: marriage with Kara, he recognized that he should have a prenup.
Speaker 4: And I had an idea that if we made it
Speaker 4: a company policy that unmarried owners, which would apply to
Speaker 4: Lucas and David Nor at the time had had to
Speaker 4: get prenups before they got married, that would give Luke
Speaker 4: support and back them up.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 4: People are kind of like questioning, like was that something
Speaker 4: that came from Lucas or was that something that came
Speaker 4: from you guys, and like what did that look like,
Speaker 4: because that's a pretty big point of contention.
Speaker 2: Well, David had that conversation with Lucas, and I believe
Speaker 2: that David is telling the truth, and that is how
Speaker 2: the conversation got started. I mean, think for a second
Speaker 2: about what I've just described, like the trajectory of the
Speaker 2: company in twenty twenty, how fast it's growing, how much
Speaker 2: demand there is. Do you think a prenup was on
Speaker 2: somebody's mind at that point? Is all I'm all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I believe that Lucas was thinking about it just based
Speaker 2: on all the circumstances, and I believe that David was
Speaker 2: trying to figure out a way where.
Speaker 1: He just noticed the cat in the background. I was
Speaker 1: very distracted there for a second, my apologies.
Speaker 2: Was thinking about it just based on all the circumstances,
Speaker 2: and I believe that David was trying to figure out
Speaker 2: a way where he could take care of his little brother.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I'm I'm with David on this one.
Speaker 2: Even though I wasn't part of the conversations, I do believe.
Speaker 6: David right, and I think from a company perspective, that
Speaker 6: makes sense.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: But in his video he claimed that he was pressured
Speaker 6: into it. Is that something you think that was one
Speaker 6: of the false allegations that you're talking about, or was
Speaker 6: that he maybe just didn't mix it up.
Speaker 2: He didn't get any pressure from he didn't get any
Speaker 2: pressure any meetings that I was in, he didn't get
Speaker 2: any pressure from me.
Speaker 1: So the question now, Isaac isn't lying there, I think
Speaker 1: because he's he's saying, essentially, I don't you know, I
Speaker 1: wasn't pressuring him. I didn't pressure him. I didn't see
Speaker 1: it in any meetings, so it must not have happened. Okay,
Speaker 1: I wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one is personal. I don't believe that any
Speaker 2: of the any of the officers were pressuring him.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, was there any because then I think it
Speaker 6: in rebuttal to that, you know, say, Lucas and Kara
Speaker 6: wanted to make sure the other married owners had post
Speaker 6: nups And was that a point of contention between you
Speaker 6: guys as well get nice or was that kind of
Speaker 6: just like Okay.
Speaker 2: Sure, I still think it's kind of silly, but we
Speaker 2: did it. I mean, I don't know about contention, but
Speaker 2: we did it. It wasn't a point of right argument.
Speaker 2: But I still think that it's silly if you ask.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see Isaac like, nah, it was silly. Isaac still
Speaker 1: has feelings about that. He still is annoyed that he
Speaker 1: had to talk his wife because I guarantee you. Okay.
Speaker 1: Isaac and David Botkin had to have awkward conversations with
Speaker 1: their wives about Hey, by the way, we're signing a
Speaker 1: post up. If you divorce, you don't get anything with
Speaker 1: t Rex Arms. Sorry, babe. I know he's been married
Speaker 1: for like a decade, I think, right, But by the way,
Speaker 1: we're now signing a post up because we talked to
Speaker 1: Lucas into a pre nup. So sorry, babe. Right, that
Speaker 1: is probably an awkward conversation to have with your partner, right,
Speaker 1: with your wife after ten years, being like, hey, babe,
Speaker 1: you know how you know, we've had this great relationship
Speaker 1: and all that, but we're getting a post up right now? Sorry, babe.
Speaker 2: Enforceability or things like that. It's just kind of a
Speaker 2: just kind of a formality.
Speaker 3: What what about it is silly?
Speaker 2: Well, basically just the the enforceability of the post not
Speaker 2: versus supreme up legally speaking. Sure, is there less a lawyer?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, I've never had a.
Speaker 2: Deal with it, and a lot of it. I mean,
Speaker 2: of all the lawyers that I am, not divorced lawyer
Speaker 2: is the most lawyer that I am not. But yeah,
Speaker 2: the assets and when they were made, and all of
Speaker 2: these things were all factors into these things. So it's
Speaker 2: obvious that people commenting on this are also not divorced lawyers.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it would just be most people probably don't
Speaker 4: really care one way or the other about the specifics
Speaker 4: of the situation between the brothers or whatever. I think,
Speaker 4: like we talked about before, is like everything really comes
Speaker 4: down to trust.
Speaker 3: Like you know, I think that in.
Speaker 6: Lucas's video, he made it sound like you guys wanted
Speaker 6: him to get a prenup, but you guys refuse to
Speaker 6: get post ups is kind of what it's sounded alike.
Speaker 6: And so a lot of people think, well, that's kind
Speaker 6: of weird. Why wouldn't they.
Speaker 2: We have them? I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not that you refuse to get them. It
Speaker 1: was that it was a difficult conversation. And you can
Speaker 1: see this is like four years ago, five years ago. Now,
Speaker 1: my apologies, and Isaac is still like, oh, it was
Speaker 1: silly and stupid to get them, right, I guarantee you again,
Speaker 1: there were some awkward conversation with spouses about a preenup
Speaker 1: posting up.
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's one of those things that I I don't
Speaker 2: want to like put a picture of it up on
Speaker 2: the internet to win an argument about something that is
Speaker 2: really unrelated to stuff and is very small, and it's
Speaker 2: also seems very personal.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so he did say that you guys did eventually
Speaker 6: get them, and so I don't think that was He's.
Speaker 1: Still like, watch Isaac's reaction there on the bottom. He's
Speaker 1: still so annoyed about this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he did say that you guys did eventually get them,
Speaker 6: and so I don't think that was necessarily a big
Speaker 6: point of contention between the sides, but h So, moving
Speaker 6: on from that, Lucas and Cary get married, and then
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty one, Kara expresses interest in getting a
Speaker 6: job at t rex.
Speaker 4: And a lot of stuff revolves around like the treatment
Speaker 4: or the perceived treatment from Lucas's video that his wife received.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what people really more is how
Speaker 4: the founder's wife was treated, and as far as being
Speaker 4: able to trust a group of people that own a company,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 6: So it seems like, sorry, there there was contention between
Speaker 6: your guys.
Speaker 1: Video post.
Speaker 6: Lucas says that they didn't hear back from anybody at
Speaker 6: t rex HR. There's no meetings or anything to follow
Speaker 6: up on her job application, whereas the t X video,
Speaker 6: you guys said that there was meetings just to decide
Speaker 6: that there was a place. What do you have anything
Speaker 6: to say on that or expound upon that.
Speaker 2: There were definitely meetings, and there's definitely notes in the
Speaker 2: hr files. So if Lucas wants to contend that they
Speaker 2: didn't happen, I mean he should, he should have some evidence,
Speaker 2: I guess. But I think that we went over the
Speaker 2: details more in the video. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they do talk about that in their video,
Speaker 1: this one right here, the image. I like how there's
Speaker 1: like a six minute section on the image incident, which
Speaker 1: is very funny. I'll just leave this picture up on
Speaker 1: screen for you right as a good representation. But apparently
Speaker 1: there were discussions, there are notes in hr files, you know,
Speaker 1: about Kara getting or the possibility of Kara having a
Speaker 1: job at t Rex Arms. I believe according to t
Speaker 1: Rex Arms in this video, because I just watched it
Speaker 1: earlier today, that position that she wrote a job description
Speaker 1: for was essentially already filled by somebody else there and
Speaker 1: therefore kind of redundant. So as far as that goes, like,
Speaker 1: I have no idea I don't. I've never been there,
Speaker 1: I've never worked there. I don't know how the inner
Speaker 1: workings of the company in any way, shape or form, right,
Speaker 1: So that that might be true, right in a sense
Speaker 1: where yeah, there just wasn't an opening for Caras, So
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to hire her, right obviously, if
Speaker 1: you're the founder of the company and you own a
Speaker 1: significant share of the company, and your wife has already
Speaker 1: been slided in terms of the prenup, in terms of
Speaker 1: the treatment by the other owners, and then on top
Speaker 1: of that they decide not to give her a job
Speaker 1: there or to to allow her to work there in
Speaker 1: some way, shape or form, it's just another slight on
Speaker 1: top of slight, or at least a perceived slide, Right,
Speaker 1: you guys could understand how even if it was a
Speaker 1: legitimate business decision to not hire her, right, it very
Speaker 1: well could be that it is at least a perceived
Speaker 1: slight on top of so many other things, right.
Speaker 2: In the exact days and times and things like that.
Speaker 2: But we definitely had meetings together and then we refoosed
Speaker 2: ourselves and handed it over to other officers to make
Speaker 2: those decisions.
Speaker 4: So did they ever reach back out, Absolutely, Yeah, and what.
Speaker 3: Was the conclusion at the time. It was it just
Speaker 3: there's no job.
Speaker 2: Of that for well, she had written a job description
Speaker 2: for a position that didn't exist and that the t
Speaker 2: Rens didn't require.
Speaker 1: So it's not, well that that's kind of a change.
Speaker 1: I think Isaac might just be getting the details wrong there.
Speaker 1: They've said that the job that she wrote, which it
Speaker 1: is bold, right, that's a bold move to go to
Speaker 1: a company writing your own job description, right, I mean
Speaker 1: that's pretty bold, right to be like, here's my job description,
Speaker 1: here's what I can do for you, Please hire me. Right,
Speaker 1: That's that's a bold move. That's ballsy, so to speak. Okay,
Speaker 1: metaphorically of course. However, again, that job allegedly was already
Speaker 1: filled by somebody else, not that that wasn't just something
Speaker 1: that t Rex Arms needed, right at least according to
Speaker 1: the original video, Lucas Botkins says no email exists from
Speaker 1: HR to her or me, saying she couldn't be hired.
Speaker 2: Law.
Speaker 1: Well, again, I think that Lucas and Isaac's statements there
Speaker 1: can still be harmonized as well, because Lucas could be
Speaker 1: one thousand percent correct that HR never emailed either of
Speaker 1: them back about the application right about the hiring. That
Speaker 1: could be one hundred percent true. And there could be
Speaker 1: HR notes in some folder somewhere about the reasoning behind
Speaker 1: not hiring Kara. Right, So those two things can absolutely
Speaker 1: be true at the same time. Right, they're not mutually
Speaker 1: exclusive claims.
Speaker 2: Not like there were no jobs at the shop at
Speaker 2: that time. There was a very specific job that she
Speaker 2: wanted created.
Speaker 3: Basically, what was that do you remember?
Speaker 2: Well, I can't remember the title of it, but it
Speaker 2: just included a lot of stuff. It was just a
Speaker 2: lot of different responsibilities in the company, but I can't
Speaker 2: remember the title. Yeah, again, we kind of recused ourselves
Speaker 2: from this and gave it over to other members of
Speaker 2: the team just to not be you know, just to
Speaker 2: make it more appropriate to make that decision.
Speaker 1: Which is the wise move, right, And again I do
Speaker 1: get the feeling, okay, right throughout this entire thing that
Speaker 1: Isaac and David and David and some of the other
Speaker 1: team and family because it is a big family business.
Speaker 1: Keep that in mind, there's lots of family involved at
Speaker 1: every stage of development. For lack of a better term,
Speaker 1: that they don't really like Cara, Right, So Isaac is like,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, I'm going to recuse myself. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be a part of that. Let HR deal with it. It
Speaker 1: would really be funny if the HR team was also Botkins,
Speaker 1: just different Botkins, right, that would be very funny. That
Speaker 1: was strictly based off So it's like, yeah, I refused,
Speaker 1: the family recuses itself and let's a different part of
Speaker 1: the family do it, right.
Speaker 4: But if the position wasn't really available and you didn't
Speaker 4: have an opening for it had nothing to do with
Speaker 4: your I.
Speaker 2: Mean, there's that, but there's also just like if you
Speaker 2: write a job, if you show up to a company
Speaker 2: and you asked for a job, then maybe they have
Speaker 2: an opening to do X. Not. Why if you show
Speaker 2: upon you have a job description that you've written for yourself,
Speaker 2: You're you're asking them to create a position. You're asking
Speaker 2: them to do more than just slot you into a place.
Speaker 5: It's it's a very complicated thing to do to show
Speaker 5: up with a pre written job description.
Speaker 1: Ball z is the word that I would use to
Speaker 1: describe that, and a new ORG chart.
Speaker 6: So it wasn't necessarily it wasn't like I want to
Speaker 6: work on the shop floor and packaging.
Speaker 2: No, it was a very it would have. It was
Speaker 2: a plan to rejig the entire org chart, and so
Speaker 2: that was a it would have needed. It would have
Speaker 2: needed to be a very high level decision to do that. Obviously,
Speaker 2: there's there's shop floor type work where people get hired
Speaker 2: without order owners or anybody. You know. There's different levels
Speaker 2: in the company, and hiring involves different levels. So we
Speaker 2: recused ourselves and let's let the ELT make the decision
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, did you Lucas says wait org chart? Well,
Speaker 1: they said they would have to redo the org chart.
Speaker 1: Let me find their exact claim here. Shoot, what should
Speaker 1: my search be here?
Speaker 2: Kara?
Speaker 1: Did I spell that wrong? Let's see, I might have
Speaker 1: spelled that wrong. My apologies not having a pull up yet.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 7: Okay, aside from the family issues that we have already discussed,
Speaker 7: I want to talk about more of a business issue
Speaker 7: concerning the allegation.
Speaker 2: What it matters.
Speaker 1: Smooth Skin never seen a Ghoul before.
Speaker 7: Of Kara not having any follow up on being hired.
Speaker 7: So I was the director of operations at that time.
Speaker 7: I was coming into more leadership, screened and vetted and
Speaker 7: interviewed everyone that came into the company.
Speaker 2: Over the next couple of years.
Speaker 7: So in May of twenty twenty one, a board meeting
Speaker 7: was held where Kara's job description that she had written
Speaker 7: was presented to the board, which is something that is
Speaker 7: above and beyond what we would normally do. We looked
Speaker 7: at that job description and it was basically, even though
Speaker 7: part time, the responsibilities of what the chief operations officer was.
Speaker 1: Gosh, dang it, thank you our vandalai, but you're excuse me,
Speaker 1: you're blocking the ghoul. Get off the screen, pop up,
Speaker 1: damn it, give it a second. My apologies, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so chief Operations Officer is essentially her job description that
Speaker 1: she wrote, according to former CEO Mark dahl.
Speaker 7: Cley, even though part time, the responsibilities of what the
Speaker 7: chief operations officer was already doing in the company, as
Speaker 7: well as the director of Operations. It was followed up
Speaker 7: a couple months later by the director of Admin having
Speaker 7: two one on one meetings with Kara, and the result
Speaker 7: of that was that we had no position available. In fact,
Speaker 7: there was nothing in the company at that time that
Speaker 7: would fit a chemical engineer coming in part time to
Speaker 7: do those things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're saying that there was a big overlap
Speaker 1: between two positions chief off Chief Operations officers and another.
Speaker 1: They're saying they had two meetings with Kara directly about that.
Speaker 1: There's just not a position open part time at this
Speaker 1: point in time, So that is that the two claims
Speaker 1: there all right, those do seem to be mutually exclusive,
Speaker 1: so we'll figure those out in the future.
Speaker 4: I suppose did you guys offer like a different position, like, no,
Speaker 4: we don't have this, we can't do this, but you
Speaker 4: could do exposition or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the hiring guys did that or not.
Speaker 2: I mean, we definitely talked about other options just around
Speaker 2: the table. In the previous conversation.
Speaker 1: Michael Graham says, do the other Botkan wives work for
Speaker 1: the company? I do not remember if it is one
Speaker 1: Botkan wife or two Botcan wives that work for the companies.
Speaker 1: Not Lucas's wife, but two of the other Botkan wives
Speaker 1: work for the company. I don't remember exactly which one.
Speaker 1: And yes, David Botkin and David nor are also part
Speaker 1: of the family because David Noor married to Botkin, right,
Speaker 1: so there's two David's in the Botkin family.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I don't know if I can't remember if
Speaker 2: that's in the like official communication from.
Speaker 4: Okay, so that would be another false claim then from
Speaker 4: Lucas's video, because I believe he.
Speaker 2: Said that you never heard back from David Fry. I believe. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's cook.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because again the kernel here, this guy is
Speaker 1: saying that there were two direct meetings about her job
Speaker 1: and Lucas did. Did Lucas say that there was no
Speaker 1: callback here? Let me check the transcript. Uh did a
Speaker 1: conversation to go in why position?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 8: We have a manufacturing process and she figured there's probably
Speaker 8: some process things on the production line that I can
Speaker 8: assist with. I'll do it for free because now you
Speaker 8: know I'm married to an owner, there's you know, why
Speaker 8: not build the equity. So she submitted a now a
Speaker 8: resume to the corporation to t rex Harms. I reccused
Speaker 8: myself from the discussion about, you know, my wife's getting hired.
Speaker 2: But nobody ever responded.
Speaker 8: The JR Director didn't respond, the owners didn't respond, and
Speaker 8: that was very hard for us because.
Speaker 1: So again that right there, that right there is very
Speaker 1: mutually exclusive. Okay, so someone is lying here. Okay, we
Speaker 1: got Colonel David's and Isaac versus Lucas. Here somebody is
Speaker 1: lying or at least not saying the entire truth there.
Speaker 4: All right, so we're kind of approaching the end of
Speaker 4: the timeline, and Lucas stated that he just felt that.
Speaker 3: It was not going to be able to work.
Speaker 1: Out well least says the lude photo was the response that's.
Speaker 4: Dark between t Rex and it's the current ownership, and
Speaker 4: so he stated that he felt like he could not
Speaker 4: publicly support or.
Speaker 3: Be the face of t Rex the way it stood.
Speaker 4: So that's when the buyout negotiations kind of started and
Speaker 4: he kind of made a decision like he wanted to
Speaker 4: control back. He was either going to buy you guys
Speaker 4: out or you guys were gonna buy him out. And
Speaker 4: I think he initially started with you guys buying him out.
Speaker 4: So what did those negotiats negotiations kind of look like.
Speaker 4: And when you initially found out about that, is that
Speaker 4: something you saw coming or was it like kind of
Speaker 4: like a shock to you or what were your initial
Speaker 4: thoughts there.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was a shock. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: remember the exact day. It was at the end of January,
Speaker 2: after shat show in twenty five that he came in
Speaker 2: and he said that he didn't want to work with
Speaker 2: us anymore. And it wasn't super surprising because he pretty
Speaker 2: much cut off ties, like I said before, with everybody else,
Speaker 2: and there was really no contact outside of work and
Speaker 2: very little contact inside of work honestly. So yeah, so
Speaker 2: that was not super surprising, but there there were there
Speaker 2: were a lot of different conversations. I actually think that
Speaker 2: we had some better conversations, you know, in some of
Speaker 2: those conversations we actually had, I would say, some of
Speaker 2: the more personal, frank, direct conversations that we'd had in
Speaker 2: a very long time around some of the beginnings of
Speaker 2: of of that that conversation before the before the biotalks started,
Speaker 2: just we were when we were talking about him him wanting.
Speaker 1: To well, yeah, things get real candid, real fast when
Speaker 1: you're essentially like, I don't want to work with you anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be with you guys anymore. I
Speaker 1: don't like the direction of the company. You guys need
Speaker 1: to accept my offers or buy me out of my shares,
Speaker 1: and I'm done, Like I'm done. There's no fixing this,
Speaker 1: there's no coming back to this. We're out. This is over.
Speaker 2: Thanks, But no, thanks, leave the company or take uh
Speaker 2: make sure that we were out of the company, and
Speaker 2: so so yeah, then we started buyout conversations after that,
Speaker 2: and it was just a lot of just back and
Speaker 2: forth on some different different ideas about numbers and process
Speaker 2: and so forth. And yeah, it was, it was, it was.
Speaker 2: It was a pretty awkward situation actually based on based
Speaker 2: on some of his demands once we got to that,
Speaker 2: well just some of some of the numbers. Like it
Speaker 2: was he he really, he was really desiring. He laid
Speaker 2: out both options. You you say, I go or I
Speaker 2: uh I go, and you say, but he was really he.
Speaker 1: Said the same thing twice, which is obviously he met
Speaker 1: misspoke there, but it is very funny that he says
Speaker 1: the same thing twice, just kind of reinforcing the idea
Speaker 1: that now, hey, hey little bro or not leaving go.
Speaker 2: Or I uh I go, And you say, but he
Speaker 2: was really not open to to us keeping the company.
Speaker 2: And so at the beginning, that is where all all
Speaker 2: of all the negotiations started and kind of evolved around.
Speaker 2: So so yeah, and just basically, I mean, technically a
Speaker 2: hostile takeover. A hostile takeover is one of minority shareholder
Speaker 2: is trying to take control of the company from from
Speaker 2: people against their wishes and so.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, is that really a hostile takeover? Is
Speaker 1: that what it is? Because you're just saying, like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you accept my offer to me by your shares?
Speaker 1: Right because you're not forcing their hand. You can't force
Speaker 1: their hand. You're giving them terms or essentially asking them
Speaker 1: to accept your terms. Is that Is that fair to
Speaker 1: say that that is a hostile takeover? Maybe by technical
Speaker 1: maybe on some technical level if you're looking at like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know the Webster Miriam Dictionary definition of a
Speaker 1: hostile takeover, but that it seems like he's asking you
Speaker 1: to accept or to consent to the takeover right now.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not brushed up on my twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: consent and all that sort of stuff, but that's that
Speaker 1: seems amicable. It's like if you sign on the dotted line, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you sign over your shares and you get money for it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what tell you.
Speaker 2: So we just went over a bunch of different different
Speaker 2: options that were not not acceptable. So then we went
Speaker 2: the other way and we gave him a BA.
Speaker 1: See, this is where I want the interviewers to push harder, Like,
Speaker 1: what is not acceptable? Are the dollar amounts not acceptable? All?
Speaker 1: Are the value of the company not acceptable? Is the
Speaker 1: buyout phase not acceptable? Is it because he wants to
Speaker 1: get rid of like ten employees? Like? What is actually
Speaker 1: unacceptable about the terms? I want specifics right because I'm
Speaker 1: you know, into that a.
Speaker 2: Bunch of options which he did not find acceptable, and
Speaker 2: it kind of stalled out, and so we worked to
Speaker 2: just to find a whole bunch of other different options.
Speaker 2: And I can't remember if there are on the timeline
Speaker 2: to some of the different things where you know, we
Speaker 2: could do this, you could leave and keep your shares,
Speaker 2: but do that, or we could bring in a third
Speaker 2: party buyer. We found this other third party buyer, Like,
Speaker 2: there were a bunch of things that we were trying
Speaker 2: to find for him, And.
Speaker 3: Why didn't you guys just buy him out?
Speaker 4: Was it you guys were looking for someone to specifically
Speaker 4: take over his share or.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, we tried to buy him out, but
Speaker 2: his numbers were just just very high.
Speaker 1: Well, correct me if I'm wrong, let's consult the time.
Speaker 1: Lie here does it tell me? Because he had thirty
Speaker 1: five percent? But then if I remember correctly, he loses
Speaker 1: another ten when Isaac comes on board Isaac. So again,
Speaker 1: the thing that's missing here is we have the twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen agreement, but not the twenty nineteen agreement, which obviously
Speaker 1: supersedes the previous one when they bring in Isaac in there,
Speaker 1: So shoot or twenty seventeen. Sorry my apologies anyways, but
Speaker 1: I don't have that updated one. So I think Lucas
Speaker 1: lost another ten percent or maybe another five percent, So
Speaker 1: he's somewhere between twenty five and thirty percent of the company.
Speaker 1: And again, if we had the agreement, we could just
Speaker 1: look at it and be like, well, it says here
Speaker 1: that he's owed twenty five percent of their most recent evaluation,
Speaker 1: which is twenty million dollars spoiler alert, that's five million
Speaker 1: bucks right now. It could be more than that, right,
Speaker 1: It could be potential future earnings, It could be potential
Speaker 1: future valuation amount like what is the actual valuation of
Speaker 1: t rex Arms, which again at the time was doing
Speaker 1: like twenty million dollars a year? Who knows, right, And
Speaker 1: whatever that valuation is, he's worth approximately twenty five to
Speaker 1: thirty percent of it. And again I don't know if
Speaker 1: the number is just high in terms of like we
Speaker 1: can't pay it or if like it's something else.
Speaker 4: Right, those numbers based off of current evaluation or what
Speaker 4: were those numbers?
Speaker 2: Like? Those numbers were based off of many many things.
Speaker 3: So can you elaborate or no?
Speaker 2: I no? I think is better if we just yes.
Speaker 2: This is another one where I'm trying to.
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's difficult, Isaac, but you're on
Speaker 1: a podcast in front of you know, lots of people
Speaker 1: are going to watch this eventually, Like thirty thousand people
Speaker 1: have already watched it on Ben Steger's channel, right and
Speaker 1: already watched his breakdown of it. Like, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: come onto these podcasts, you gotta just shut up about
Speaker 1: anything to do with Lucas or if you're gonna talk details,
Speaker 1: talk details, you know, it's like that's what I want. Okay,
Speaker 1: just give me the shareholders agreement from twenty seventeen or
Speaker 1: the most updated shareholders agreement and we'll all just look
Speaker 1: at it together and go, ah, you owe him this
Speaker 1: much money? That's crazy, dog.
Speaker 2: Many many things.
Speaker 3: So can you elaborate or no?
Speaker 2: I no, I think it's better if we just yes.
Speaker 2: This is another one where I'm trying to it sounds
Speaker 2: like I'm hedging on for other reasons. I'm really trying
Speaker 2: to protect Lucas here. We had many conversations about the
Speaker 2: value of shares.
Speaker 1: I but this seems so weird though, right, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to protect Lucas. I'm doing this to protect Lucas. Like
Speaker 1: maybe you're internally justifying it that way in some weird sense.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you're trying to pay him
Speaker 1: as little money as possible. Like we can just be
Speaker 1: realistic here, Lucas says, how gracious, Like just be realistic.
Speaker 1: You know it'll be like we think Lucas's numbers are
Speaker 1: too high. You know, we think he wants nine million,
Speaker 1: but it's actually two whatever. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the numbers are. But I'm just saying, right, like,
Speaker 1: you can just be honest. You don't need to do
Speaker 1: this whole Oh, I'm protecting my baby brother. I'm just
Speaker 1: protecting him. I'm really protecting him by making sure his
Speaker 1: pocket book doesn't get too big. Guys, Okay, listen, if
Speaker 1: his pocket book gets too big, his pants might fall down. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm really just protecting my little brother here. That's
Speaker 1: crazy work, by the way.
Speaker 2: And Lucas had a very different valuation for a certain
Speaker 2: share brother share. So yeah, so.
Speaker 1: What is in the ear And again that that delta
Speaker 1: has got to be millions of dollars, right, millions and
Speaker 1: millions of dollars because again I don't know what the
Speaker 1: agreement was, but if it's only off by a couple
Speaker 1: million of million dollars, like they're literally both going to
Speaker 1: spend more than a couple million of dollars in terms
Speaker 1: of the fees, right, So just like just paying the money,
Speaker 1: it just seems simpler, right because t rex arm situation
Speaker 1: cannot get better, okay, Like it's not going to magically
Speaker 1: get better the longer this drama goes on, right, So Isaac,
Speaker 1: like think about it this way, whatever amount of extra
Speaker 1: money you lose by paying off Lucas, you're going to
Speaker 1: reap the benefits by putting this drama behind you and
Speaker 1: actually being able to build up your brand again. Okay,
Speaker 1: because as long as Lucas is still in limbo, as
Speaker 1: long as Lucas does not get paid, you are losing
Speaker 1: out x amount of sales on a yearly basis, on
Speaker 1: a monthly basis, on a weekly basis, And guess what
Speaker 1: your hemorrhaging employees. Okay, so for the sake of your
Speaker 1: employees that you still have attempt to acquiesce to Lucas's demands. Right,
Speaker 1: if your mission statement is to protect your employees and
Speaker 1: to protect the family business, do that. Eat a little
Speaker 1: bit of crow and pay him whatever the heck you can. Right,
Speaker 1: put the matter behind you, for the sake of your family,
Speaker 1: for the sake of your community, for the sake of
Speaker 1: your company, pay him what you can and be done
Speaker 1: with it. I guarantee you sales will improve once Lucas
Speaker 1: is no longer saying, hey, this company has not paid
Speaker 1: me what they owe me, and once the community you know,
Speaker 1: stops believing you to be a snake who has screwed
Speaker 1: their little brother out of a company. You know.
Speaker 3: Original shareholder agreement.
Speaker 2: The original shareholdreement. I think we published that, didn't we
Speaker 2: isn't it on the website there?
Speaker 1: The original one is again, the twenty fifteen one, not important,
Speaker 1: not relevant to the current talking points. The one that
Speaker 1: is actually important is after Isaac comes on. Right after
Speaker 1: Isaac comes on, there's a new agreement. That's the one
Speaker 1: that we need. That's the one that's a lot more
Speaker 1: flushed out. I guarantee you that new agreement is not
Speaker 1: too pages with an apostasy clause in it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Uh, it might be well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so again Isaac, Isaac might not know. But nobody
Speaker 1: as far as I'm aware, has seen the updated agreement
Speaker 1: outside of you know, family and higher ups in the company.
Speaker 1: Now that might be for legal reasons, right, they might
Speaker 1: have a non disclose where nobody can publish it. It's
Speaker 1: not public, right, so Lucas can't public at, Isaac can't
Speaker 1: public publicize it.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a new clause in there, but I guarantee
Speaker 1: you the new one is considerably more than two pages
Speaker 1: with an apostasy clause libugging around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't looked at it in a while.
Speaker 3: Do you remember where it is off the top of
Speaker 3: your head?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 3: I do not, because I think the well.
Speaker 4: The claim is that obviously we're skipping over like the
Speaker 4: big incident.
Speaker 3: But we can come back to that.
Speaker 4: But like the claim is like once he decided to resign,
Speaker 4: like that's kind of the current evaluation when he resigned
Speaker 4: is whatever percentage of his share.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's the rumor, right, that's the drama. Essentially,
Speaker 1: is is the valuation when Lucas leaves and it's worth
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars or a year after Lucas is left
Speaker 1: and now it's worth five million dollars. And the brothers
Speaker 1: are saying, well, Lucas slandered the company to intentionally take
Speaker 1: us down, So actually, we don't owe you what we
Speaker 1: did owe you because you said naughty words to us
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 3: Are that's what he's owed, is what it seems like.
Speaker 2: The claim is, Yeah, yep, that's what it is, based
Speaker 2: on an evaluation. So we have been going and getting
Speaker 2: valuations of the company. So that is something that we see.
Speaker 1: Getting evaluations of the company implies a updated valuation implies
Speaker 1: something that you're currently doing. Right, that's not his Like, listen,
Speaker 1: all right, if I like owe my ex wife, you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to divorce my wife, do I want
Speaker 1: the company to be worth twenty million dollars or five
Speaker 1: million dollars? Well, congratulations, I'm not going to show up
Speaker 1: to work for the next two months and we'll see
Speaker 1: what my evaluation is that and magically it's a lot lower,
Speaker 1: and now I owe my ex wife way less, Like,
Speaker 1: isn't that crazy? Dude?
Speaker 2: We want very much to be over. And I think
Speaker 2: we have done the lion's share of the work in
Speaker 2: preparing all the documents and so forth. I mean that's understandable.
Speaker 2: Whoever is running the companies, I definitely have does the
Speaker 2: work of those collecting all those documents. But yeah, we've
Speaker 2: now gotten multiple valuations from different certified evaluators.
Speaker 4: So you have a verifiable number from a third party
Speaker 4: for at the time when he resigned, and he's still
Speaker 4: not taking that.
Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2: That is?
Speaker 1: So there's so he didn't acknowledge at the time of resignation.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true or not, but he's
Speaker 1: acknowledging the time of resignation while saying that they're currently
Speaker 1: getting evaluations, which one of those statements is true. No, no,
Speaker 1: no idea is.
Speaker 2: What I am saying. Or the conversation is ongoing.
Speaker 5: None of the previous offers have been taken, so I.
Speaker 6: Feel like, go ahead, Oh, I was gonna say. Some
Speaker 6: people claim that, you know, you guys are trying to
Speaker 6: to sell him the company or whatever, offer him what
Speaker 6: the company would be at now, because oh, you guys
Speaker 6: are are wait until the company's valued super low, because
Speaker 6: you guys are doing terrible and trying to shortchange him
Speaker 6: on on what he should be a kind of thing.
Speaker 6: So it's it's more basical when he left, not like.
Speaker 2: Now, well, when he left, remember that he had been
Speaker 2: making Yeah, I'll just leave it there. When he left,
Speaker 2: we were already we already had a pretty good idea
Speaker 2: of the number. We already had a pretty good idea
Speaker 2: of what he was going to do, and valuators have
Speaker 2: access to all of that data, and multiple certified valuators
Speaker 2: have come back with covers. So okay, that's that's all
Speaker 2: they'll say.
Speaker 1: So when Isaac says what he's going to do, right,
Speaker 1: are they referencing this Instagram post, which is again, this
Speaker 1: Instagram post is mostly benign, it's basically nothing. Now t
Speaker 1: Rex arms video is a little more incendiary. And then
Speaker 1: this forced is Lucas and his response. But again the
Speaker 1: timeline of events is Lucas is benign Instagram post, t
Speaker 1: Rex Arms response, Lucas response, t Rex response, right, and
Speaker 1: then we have the fallout after that where we can
Speaker 1: see how each channel is doing in terms of the
Speaker 1: public YouTube metrics.
Speaker 4: Briefly backtracking, let's let's let's talk about the incident the
Speaker 4: sexual harassment claim just touch on that t rex Arms
Speaker 4: does have a no tolerance policy for sexual harassment.
Speaker 3: Correct, that is correct?
Speaker 4: And is it also true that t rex Arms fired
Speaker 4: it employee for watching porn pornographic material at their own
Speaker 4: house on their own device before of five? Yeah, because
Speaker 4: I think this controversy that it's been alleged that t
Speaker 4: rex Arms fired in play for watching porn at their
Speaker 4: own house and somehow d Rexcot went did that, fired
Speaker 4: that employee for doing that.
Speaker 2: And then this is the first time I'm hearing of it.
Speaker 3: Fast forward to twenty twenty five. You have employees.
Speaker 1: I believe that allegation came from Brandon Wombat. Let me
Speaker 1: see if I can find the exact quote in here somewhere,
Speaker 1: get off chat replay. Let's see here. It might take
Speaker 1: me a moment to find the ladies and gentlemen. Ah, dude, dude,
Speaker 1: it's got to be in here somewhere, I said Lucas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can have that. Uhh uh huh uh. Well, so,
Speaker 1: I mean this is the point so sped and A
Speaker 1: five says Christian Company.
Speaker 11: But you have that's a really good point. So I
Speaker 11: would I actually really want to speak to this. So
Speaker 11: if it were me anyone that so pornography and the
Speaker 11: Cherson and the person world view if if you know,
Speaker 11: if you're you don't share that same worldview is always
Speaker 11: fornication or adultery. If you're in a committed relationship, it's adultery,
Speaker 11: and if you're not, it's fornication.
Speaker 1: That's that it's never justified and not only all of
Speaker 1: the other considerations.
Speaker 11: With you know, just you know how it you know,
Speaker 11: looks down on women and all.
Speaker 3: Those sorts of things.
Speaker 11: So yeah, as as a Christian company, me personally, if
Speaker 11: someone is engaging and actively in pornography, it's well, first stuff,
Speaker 11: would get this person help and secondly if they're if
Speaker 11: they're unrepentant, and fire them. But that is crossing legal bounds.
Speaker 1: That yeah, So I don't know if if if Brandon
Speaker 1: makes the claim that they did fire someone or that
Speaker 1: they should fire someone who is consuming porn at home
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 4: Wee a son of one of the executives and pornographic
Speaker 4: material to Luke's wife and that person was not fired immediately,
Speaker 4: they were put on they were suspended or temporarily suspended.
Speaker 4: While you guys did an investigation, and then later on
Speaker 4: they were allowed to quit instead of being fired from
Speaker 4: t Rex. People point to that as being a bad
Speaker 4: look on t Rex's part.
Speaker 2: I would say, both of those statements are incorrect. There,
Speaker 2: they're both incorrect.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So how did that investigation go down where.
Speaker 6: I was brought to your guys attention in the first place.
Speaker 2: Well, this is one which I'm not going to talk about.
Speaker 2: To talk about saying no comment is the assumption is
Speaker 2: saying no comment is that you're admitting guilt. But in
Speaker 2: this case, this is one of those where we're trying
Speaker 2: to stick up for the privacy of a number of
Speaker 2: individuals and the reputation of a number of individuals, including them.
Speaker 1: But what are we even talking about here, Like the
Speaker 1: privacy of individuals, Like nobody's asking you to name names,
Speaker 1: and like everybody on the internet already knows about this. Yes,
Speaker 1: somebody said three furry Hentai porn images to Lucas's wife, Like,
Speaker 1: you're not protecting Lucas's privacy. You're not protecting the privacy
Speaker 1: of his wife. The employee is fired and gone. We
Speaker 1: don't need his name. I don't particularly care, right, none
Speaker 1: of that is that issue the issue is you handling
Speaker 1: it right. There's no there's no privacy concern. You know,
Speaker 1: we're not asking for the guy's search history. Okay, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want that information. Okay, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: need to know what he was into. There's again, there's
Speaker 1: no privacy constraints here. There's no like, it's already out
Speaker 1: there in the wild, bro Like, it's nothing Lucas.
Speaker 2: So this is one that's Yeah. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: get into the investigation or the incident, but I will
Speaker 2: say the previous two statements were incorrect, and a lot
Speaker 2: of the stuff that's being alleged on the internet is false,
Speaker 2: and it's you know, the comments sessions have become a
Speaker 2: game of telephone.
Speaker 1: Sure, well, but what exactly is false? Though, because I'm
Speaker 1: actually confused now, nobody, like even Brandon has said basically
Speaker 1: the exact same thing that Lucas did. The guy sent
Speaker 1: three furry Hentai images to Again, Brandon's seen the images.
Speaker 1: I haven't too. Lucas's wife, Lucas brought it to the board.
Speaker 1: It was a son of an executive. The son of
Speaker 1: the executive got put on eighteen months of probation and
Speaker 1: did not leave the slash get fired until after Lucas
Speaker 1: decided to leave. Right, Hey, Vintage Warfare, who got his
Speaker 1: channel back? Is hanging out in the chat. Hope you're
Speaker 1: doing well tonight, sir. Glad to have you back.
Speaker 6: So clearly this was one of the bigger points of
Speaker 6: contention in the whole saga leading up to Lucas leaving.
Speaker 1: Yep, don't send for your wife? Yep.
Speaker 6: Do you think that was the straw that broke the
Speaker 6: camel's back.
Speaker 2: It was definitely the moment that Lucas decided to do
Speaker 2: what he had been talking about for a very long time.
Speaker 3: Okay, So in your opinion was.
Speaker 4: Lucas was growing uh like discontent with the current ownership
Speaker 4: of t Rix Arms, and it was something where he
Speaker 4: was trying to force your guys's hand.
Speaker 3: Is that your view on it?
Speaker 6: I wanted to see what you guys were doing. We're
Speaker 6: gonna do about it type of thing, or.
Speaker 1: Oh man, isn't that annoying?
Speaker 2: Isaac damn rephrased the question, try and come out a different.
Speaker 1: Try again, please. That's like Isaac's like, yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: answer that in a way that doesn't implement it implicate me, right,
Speaker 1: just every every screenshot is beautiful, isn't it? Like every
Speaker 1: single pause perfect?
Speaker 6: I wanted to see what you guys were doing. We're
Speaker 6: going to do about it type of thing.
Speaker 2: Or well phrased, rephraised the question, try to come out
Speaker 2: at a different angle.
Speaker 3: Maybe in your opinion, was just do it again?
Speaker 4: The way that it ended up with Lucas resigning, was
Speaker 4: that a way of Lucas trying to call your guys's
Speaker 4: bluff and take over control of t Rex arms, get
Speaker 4: it back into his hands.
Speaker 2: Obviously? Oh no, you guys don't all. I don't think
Speaker 2: so at all. I don't think I think that he
Speaker 2: understood that. I think at that point he understood that
Speaker 2: we were going to stick together as as brothers and
Speaker 2: as a family and stick with the team of t Rex.
Speaker 1: Well. I love how he said we were going to
Speaker 1: stick together as brothers and as a family. You know,
Speaker 1: most of the brothers, not all of them, most of them,
Speaker 1: you know most of the family, but not all of them.
Speaker 12: I do.
Speaker 1: I I hate it. It is sad, though, isn't It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're sticking together as a family when talking against one
Speaker 1: of your own family members, you know, man, man, that's.
Speaker 4: Rough at that point, so he was kind of trying
Speaker 4: to flex that if he left, then t Rex would
Speaker 4: go down the train.
Speaker 2: Essentially, he'd been, that's putting it very mildly.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he said it, So he does think that
Speaker 1: that's tragic. Ah See, he tries so hard not to
Speaker 1: say the thing, and then he just ends up saying
Speaker 1: the thing, like you could have just saved just like
Speaker 1: thirty seconds of our time when skip the squirming and
Speaker 1: just say it.
Speaker 2: Bro, he'd been, that's putting it very mildly.
Speaker 3: Well, how would you say it?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it.
Speaker 1: You did say it. You did say it, though, that's
Speaker 1: the problem. You literally did say it. You can't go
Speaker 1: back now and be like, oh, I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 1: After you say it's putting it mildly, bro, Well, how
Speaker 1: would you say it?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it, because he's the one where I
Speaker 2: would just say. Lucas understood at that point that we
Speaker 2: were going we were going to stick with the company,
Speaker 2: and we were going to stick with our people.
Speaker 1: And our people, our family.
Speaker 2: That I think was the end of the negotiations, and
Speaker 2: that was the end of the the pressure.
Speaker 6: So to my understanding, the father or parent. I guess
Speaker 6: we don't know the gender, but the parent of the
Speaker 6: individual whom the investigation was surrounding had a lot of
Speaker 6: conflict with Lucas and the media executive or social media
Speaker 6: manager at t Rex.
Speaker 1: Do you think again, the father of the person who
Speaker 1: sent the porn to or Henti whatever it was. We
Speaker 1: don't know what it was, but to Kara was an
Speaker 1: executive at the company. So like, obviously there's some big
Speaker 1: conflicts of interest going on here.
Speaker 6: Maybe a motive for that situation to have occurred or
Speaker 6: anything like that.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to comment.
Speaker 1: I will just say no, okay, I'm not going to comment.
Speaker 13: No, I'm not going to comment beyond yeah, yeah, Do
Speaker 13: you have any comments on maybe what the conflict was
Speaker 13: between Lucas and the social media manager and the executive.
Speaker 1: Oh, Isaac, dude, the pain, the pain that he's under. Guys, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm getting secondhand cringe from watching Isaac, you know, like
Speaker 1: I feel it in my chest a little bit, because
Speaker 1: he's got to know at this point this is going
Speaker 1: so badly. I've how many times, how many times Isaac
Speaker 1: have I told you to shut up? How many times
Speaker 1: have you not heeded my advice? And now look at you.
Speaker 1: If you would only, if you'd only listen to Isaac,
Speaker 1: if I could have saved you guys so much time
Speaker 1: and money. All right, listen, all right. You know how
Speaker 1: I said my fee was going to be sixty K
Speaker 1: for my PR team right working on your case. It
Speaker 1: goes up every time you do an interview. It is
Speaker 1: now one hundred K for my retainer. I need a
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars retainer to be your guys's PR
Speaker 1: firm here for this because you guys continually make it
Speaker 1: harder and harder for me to do my job. Now,
Speaker 1: my number one recommendation is still to shut up. It's
Speaker 1: like that's my entire tagline, my entire business model. That's
Speaker 1: how I'm going to fix your problem here. It's going
Speaker 1: to be line one, shut up, Line two, figure out
Speaker 1: how to pay Lucas, and then use all that goodwill
Speaker 1: in marketing to say that we've done what we could
Speaker 1: to satisfy Lucas best of luck in all of your endeavors,
Speaker 1: good sir, and we are pushing forward with t rex
Speaker 1: Arms as God intended or whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to comment on specifics, but it's Lucas
Speaker 2: is very good at having conflict with people. So it's
Speaker 2: it's very hard for me to try to figure out
Speaker 2: what Lucas's conflict with different people is at different times good.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but that's a lot of people, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, people would say that I have a lot
Speaker 1: of conflict with people. That's boring. Come on, like what
Speaker 1: specifically that's that's more entertaining because I know, and that's
Speaker 1: even saying like conflict is a bad thing in and
Speaker 1: of itself. Like if you're a CEO or a leadership
Speaker 1: team or you're trying to get things done, Yep, you're
Speaker 1: gonna push through some con some conflict. Okay, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be some issues that arise and you have to resolve them. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's kind of your job. That in.
Speaker 6: On the stream that Brandon Wanbat did with Focus Trip,
Speaker 6: he talked about Lucas just kind of had a problem
Speaker 6: with a lot of people. Would you agree that's kind
Speaker 6: of how it was, you know in the company culture,
Speaker 6: Lucas just couldn't play nice with anybody.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll say this, I'd say the second saddest thing
Speaker 2: about all this is how much it has has the
Speaker 2: damage has hurt people in the community. The second is
Speaker 2: that Lucas is somebody who I would say, has he
Speaker 2: benefits from having a team. I've rarely seen anybody who
Speaker 2: is just like when when he has a team, a
Speaker 2: good team around him, he's a very accomplished person, you
Speaker 2: know what he's what he's good at. But he's well.
Speaker 1: But is that even saying anything interesting, because of course
Speaker 1: Lucas is better with the team. Everybody's better with the
Speaker 1: team for the most part. Right, there's very few true
Speaker 1: loaners out there that are actually just better on their
Speaker 1: own being able to be that loan operator doing whatever
Speaker 1: it is that they need to do, which is why
Speaker 1: Lucas took five people from t Rex Arms and brought
Speaker 1: on other people, you know, to help him with his
Speaker 1: new stuff. And again, as he's moving into new spaces
Speaker 1: and hiring new people, Lucas or sorry t Rex sorry
Speaker 1: Freudian slipped there, t Rex Arms is laying people off, so.
Speaker 2: Out the person who benefits immensely from having a team,
Speaker 2: but it is also very hard for him to work
Speaker 2: with a team. So it's a very it's a very uh,
Speaker 2: it's an odd tension. But that's one of the really
Speaker 2: sad things about the situation is. I believe that Lucas
Speaker 2: had a really good team at t REX.
Speaker 4: And another thing from the interview was Brandon claimed that
Speaker 4: Lucas also had several fireball offenses that just never were mentioned,
Speaker 4: and only.
Speaker 1: Here we go, this is some more drama.
Speaker 3: I like this to talk about what those were, And.
Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't say they serve us after he left.
Speaker 2: Certain people found out about them after he left. I
Speaker 2: do think that that is that's definitely our fault, as
Speaker 2: as his brothers, but also just I would say the
Speaker 2: larger team, there were ways in which we should have
Speaker 2: been a better team to Lucas and held him accountable
Speaker 2: for more things.
Speaker 1: And damn, I mean this is going to be pretty
Speaker 1: indicting here in a second. We should have held Lucas
Speaker 1: accountable for his own actions. Again, what those actions are,
Speaker 1: I believe I know one of them, and I think
Speaker 1: it's been stated publicly before by other people in the
Speaker 1: gun industry, like I think Mica Mayfield when he was
Speaker 1: beefing with Lucas over basically nothing, stated it as well.
Speaker 1: So you guys can go look up that drama if
Speaker 1: you want. But again it's it's framed as like ah,
Speaker 1: we should have been better big brothers, We should have
Speaker 1: been better leaders, We should have held him accountable for
Speaker 1: his own actions. It doesn't pay Lucas in a very
Speaker 1: nice light.
Speaker 2: I think that's always true in family relationships. In hindsight,
Speaker 2: you wish your candle stuff better. But in this case,
Speaker 2: in the in the very strictly business sense, that's definitely true.
Speaker 3: Also, what were those things?
Speaker 2: I will comment on what they were?
Speaker 3: Okay, you can.
Speaker 1: I don't want to repeat it because I don't have
Speaker 1: the entire context of what was going on, but I
Speaker 1: believe that it had to do with cars at a range,
Speaker 1: So you guys can go. I think I think Micah Mayfield,
Speaker 1: when he got into a tistle with Lucas like a
Speaker 1: year ago, was told the whole story.
Speaker 2: But yeah, remember we're I'm trying to protect people at
Speaker 2: t REX. I'm also trying to protect people that are
Speaker 2: no longer at t REX.
Speaker 1: Wait what does he mean by that? Because there has
Speaker 1: to be other things that he's alluding to here, like
Speaker 1: him getting into verbal altercations with people at work, or
Speaker 1: you know, because he's essentially like by not saying anything,
Speaker 1: he's being very indicting, right, He's being very problematic. Right,
Speaker 1: It's kind of.
Speaker 2: An odd position, but I hope you understand, right, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 6: A family thing, and I get that that's sensitive. You
Speaker 6: have to play two sides of the same coin, and
Speaker 6: I get that that's hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: I mean the sentiment is commendable. Wanting to protect. Essentially,
Speaker 4: you're kind of looking at, you know, protecting the person
Speaker 4: who is trying to take down your company, and so
Speaker 4: he kind of from the outside looking in is kind
Speaker 4: of like, well, you're kind of balancing whether or not
Speaker 4: you protect your brother or you allow your company to
Speaker 4: get damaged.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I think that's a third maybe the
Speaker 2: third third thing that's really sad about this is this
Speaker 2: year has been a really rough year for people in
Speaker 2: the gun industry. It's an election year with the midterm elections.
Speaker 2: There are a bunch of things that I think we
Speaker 2: t Rex could have helped with with some specific companies
Speaker 2: or some specific people running for office. If our reputation
Speaker 2: hadn't been damaged by the slander, I think we would
Speaker 2: have been in a position to help more people. So
Speaker 2: that also makes it painful and difficult.
Speaker 1: But when he says slander by Lucas, is he just
Speaker 1: referring to the the preneup versus no preneup, the you know,
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to hire Kara at the job. Like, is
Speaker 1: that the only slander that they have about t Rex Arms,
Speaker 1: Because that's it's so minor, it's so minimal, right, Like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even call that slander. And it's like, what
Speaker 1: does he mean we'd be in a position to help
Speaker 1: more people? Does he mean we'd be in a position
Speaker 1: to make more money? Is that what he's talking about? Like,
Speaker 1: we could help more people if we had more money,
Speaker 1: you know, like made more money if Like I guess.
Speaker 2: Lucas is still my brother to as much an extent
Speaker 2: as possible. I am still on his team, and I
Speaker 2: know he doesn't want to be on my team, but
Speaker 2: that is the case. And it just is an extra
Speaker 2: layer of complexity around the other business and politics and
Speaker 2: stuff that we're trying to do as a company. For
Speaker 2: for sure, how far?
Speaker 3: How far will you let that go?
Speaker 4: Will you ever let it get to a point where
Speaker 4: t Rex's Arms the reputation is irreparable and you are
Speaker 4: facing major layoffs and you're looking at a very bad situation.
Speaker 1: Isaac is like, we just had a bunch of layoffs.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? We're down thirty employees. At
Speaker 1: least we're already all you know that that cliff that
Speaker 1: you're talking about, sir, we are already on the precipice
Speaker 1: of it. And Isaac is just thinking to himself, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how far do I run this? How far do we
Speaker 1: as a company keep going even if it means laying
Speaker 1: off everyone and being reduced to like twenty people?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Do we take t Rex Arms back to the family garage? Essentially? Right?
Speaker 3: Versus saying you're so a good question of the story.
Speaker 2: I don't have answer to that. I know I said
Speaker 2: I'm not going to answer certain things, but this one,
Speaker 2: I I tell you if I knew, damn, But I
Speaker 2: don't know. That is a.
Speaker 1: It's difficult, Yeah, it is difficult. You should think about that,
Speaker 1: because again the whole point allegedly in this video here
Speaker 1: of why you did not want to acquiesce two Lucas's demands. Actually,
Speaker 1: let me see if I can find this quote in
Speaker 1: here from I believe David. Let's go here and let's say, uh,
Speaker 1: a fire or layout? Why does it always do that?
Speaker 1: Or layoff? What if I lay off? Nothing can are
Speaker 1: you ten, okay, because I think there there's a point
Speaker 1: in the video an x ten x ten x ten ten. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know all that on flig ten percent because there
Speaker 1: was a point here where he wanted to Here we gotion.
Speaker 14: David and Isaac and I were getting together with our
Speaker 14: wives in our homes and just praying and we.
Speaker 1: I apologize for the jump. Scared.
Speaker 14: We thought back to the early days and that first
Speaker 14: first employee that we hired and how God then blessed
Speaker 14: our heart to provide great jobs right here in our
Speaker 14: local area. And Lucas at the time was saying things like,
Speaker 14: you know, he was going to get rid of five
Speaker 14: and seven executives and ten percent of the staff, not
Speaker 14: not like a specific ten percent, but just because there's
Speaker 14: always ten percent that are under performers, is his idea.
Speaker 1: Which spoiler alert, that's the Brothers right, Sorry to break
Speaker 1: it to you, that's the Brothers. So five out of
Speaker 1: seven executives, all those guys are gone, and like ten employees, well, congratulations.
Speaker 1: Instead of acquiescing to his demands and losing your own jobs,
Speaker 1: you've now sacrificed to the jobs of heading towards half
Speaker 1: of your workforce. Oops. Damn cool one.
Speaker 4: Yeah it is. I mean, I mean, I don't I
Speaker 4: definitely don't envy that position. I don't know what I
Speaker 4: would do in that situation. But one of the quotes
Speaker 4: that you guys had in your response video is you
Speaker 4: talked about wanting to continue the mission and fighting for
Speaker 4: your employees.
Speaker 3: And you you guys were at around one hundred.
Speaker 4: People one hundred yeah, push him on this one employees
Speaker 4: at the time, and the statement that you guys said
Speaker 4: was that you believe in those people and fighting for them.
Speaker 1: And yeah, So, I mean the question needs to be
Speaker 1: a little more pointed, a little more like how can
Speaker 1: you justify fighting Lucas over ten percent of your staff
Speaker 1: when you've now lost thirty percent of your staff? Like
Speaker 1: do you think that actually protected the people at t Rex?
Speaker 1: Do you think you actually did well by your employees right,
Speaker 1: because you guys could go do something else, like David
Speaker 1: was a bomb shelter or a doomsday shelter salesman before
Speaker 1: Isaac has manufacturing and engineering experience, so he can go
Speaker 1: do whatever he wants to do. Like instead of taking
Speaker 1: the sacrifice on yourselves, you actually just basically kicked out
Speaker 1: thirty to fifty employees of your own volition.
Speaker 4: Basically, yeah, you believe that you t Rex was at
Speaker 4: a position where no one person was dispensable anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would say we still believe that definitely.
Speaker 2: In some ways, it would have been a harder conversation
Speaker 2: with Lucas if t Rex were just like a widget
Speaker 2: company or we made kitchen cabinets or something that didn't
Speaker 2: have a mission attached to it. I guess there would
Speaker 2: still be the people that would still be the people
Speaker 2: to think of. But because t Rex does have this
Speaker 2: mission that we the whole team believes in very very
Speaker 2: seriously and very strongly, that that made it much easier to.
Speaker 1: The whole team that's left say we.
Speaker 2: Do want to stick with this, and we do want
Speaker 2: to keep keep pushing not just to make great gear,
Speaker 2: but keep pushing on the larger mission and the larger
Speaker 2: aspects of that that that mission. So yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: something that we do we do take very seriously. So
Speaker 2: it's it is a very complicated situation. If if yeah,
Speaker 2: family drama on the internet from just kind of you know,
Speaker 2: one direction is threatening that that mission that becomes becomes
Speaker 2: very difficult, That would become a very difficult question to answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's going to get more and more difficult.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything else super interesting in here, guys.
Speaker 1: I want to thank everyone for hanging out for two
Speaker 1: and a half hours, but that is the end of this.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. We're going to go ahead and move
Speaker 1: on from there. My apologies. Now, one thing that I
Speaker 1: do want to say is that again, if we talk
Speaker 1: about who's winning in all of this, damn can't talk,
Speaker 1: it's not t rex Arms. At least as far as
Speaker 1: social media goes, it is going to be Lucas Botkan.
Speaker 1: His channel, his social media posts are going to be
Speaker 1: far and away doing better than whatever t rex Arms
Speaker 1: is cooking up. T rex Arms is laying people off,
Speaker 1: and that's a big problem, all right. You got a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of people to take care of and they
Speaker 1: ain't got no way to help them all right now. Also,
Speaker 1: one least thing that I did want to say about
Speaker 1: this video with Isaac is that he does make a
Speaker 1: rather emotional appeal to Luke is to call mom and dad. Now,
Speaker 1: that sounds very heartfelt, that sounds very nice, And of
Speaker 1: course I understand that, you know, as someone with aging parents,
Speaker 1: you do have limited time with them, and you should
Speaker 1: attempt to honor them as much as you can and
Speaker 1: to you know, be there for them as they were
Speaker 1: there for you. But I also believe that there might
Speaker 1: be a underlying issue here that the father, the way
Speaker 1: that he views t rex Arms might be more of
Speaker 1: a family business and not a Lucas business. Something that
Speaker 1: I do want to point out is I want to
Speaker 1: say this video right here, this is the one. Nope,
Speaker 1: not that one. That's that's my comment. I don't care
Speaker 1: about that. This one. Uh okay, So yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: even know these guys existed. Lucas was t rex Arms.
Speaker 1: And that's another sentiment that Isaac does not share. Isaac
Speaker 1: believes that t rex Arms is bigger than any one person.
Speaker 1: All again, as far as the Internet and as far
Speaker 1: as most of the public is concerned, Lucas Botkin and
Speaker 1: t rex Arms are synonymous, so they're not separable. And
Speaker 1: if you behave in this way, it's not gonna go
Speaker 1: well for you. All right, guys, Well, let's get to
Speaker 1: some of your guys's support. I apologize for making you
Speaker 1: guys wait for so long. Also, we are going to
Speaker 1: because it is Friday, night, We're gonna do something a
Speaker 1: little different, a little more fun. Hopefully, we are going
Speaker 1: to be having a Friday night community games Halo master
Speaker 1: Chief collection. All right, if you don't have it, that's
Speaker 1: too bad. I've been dropping the discord link in chat.
Speaker 1: We are going to be playing a real game instead
Speaker 1: of all this cringe nonsense. But before we do that,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and get to your guys's support as
Speaker 1: you guys fill up and populate the that's a good one,
Speaker 1: right there. Actually, let us show this on screen. This
Speaker 1: is funny. Actually we'll switch to this one. There we go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of the vibe that I'm getting. But let
Speaker 1: me go ahead and get to your guys's support, and
Speaker 1: then we'll play some Halo. I did have some rage bait,
Speaker 1: but I feel like that was enough rage bait for
Speaker 1: one night, Right, you guys don't need any more rage bait, right?
Speaker 1: That was surely that that was probably more than I
Speaker 1: could personally take, honestly. All right, let's get back down
Speaker 1: here to the bottom. Where do I even start? Bro
Speaker 1: there's so many Okay, here we go, Here we go.
Speaker 1: The Handsome Horse for twenty dollars says we made it gents,
Speaker 1: Big Toe Money, Friday, Bree Dugan and christ Is King.
Speaker 1: Christ Is King, thank you very much. And something that
Speaker 1: you should do, of course, to be slightly positive here
Speaker 1: at the end is you should pray for reconciliation between
Speaker 1: the family. Pray that Lucas gets what he needs in
Speaker 1: terms of financial compensation. And you shouldn't want the t
Speaker 1: Rex Arms employees to be unduly damaged, right, you should
Speaker 1: want them to have some level of success. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: tough for a little while. Uh, let me see if
Speaker 1: I can find it though, because I'm on obs. Oh,
Speaker 1: here's the Big Toe Money playlist? Is this gonna open up?
Speaker 1: Here's all of the videos on Big Toe Money. Uh shoot,
Speaker 1: what the heck dude, how many Big Toe moneies do
Speaker 1: you have? Want's listen to this one? Oh oh, this
Speaker 1: is like the O g One. I don't think we've
Speaker 1: heard this one in a long time. Broy Take money.
Speaker 1: It's big Toe Money. This song that is summer ship.
Speaker 1: You here we go, wata stay with no shoes on?
Speaker 3: I need his feet one too gone?
Speaker 1: Take money, Big Toe Money. This is a song. That
Speaker 1: is summer shit.
Speaker 3: You know it's funny.
Speaker 1: Want to stay with no shoes on?
Speaker 3: Oh I need his feet wan too gone.
Speaker 1: My feet feel good?
Speaker 11: Your feet what they should y'all.
Speaker 1: Just sitting in the grass with a cigaret. Take money,
Speaker 1: big Tom. That's a good one. Thank you very much
Speaker 1: for that. That is incredibly based of you, handsome horse.
Speaker 1: Cody Fisher also for twenty dollars, says Romans eight eleven,
Speaker 1: which is, and if the spirit of Him who raised
Speaker 1: Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who
Speaker 1: raised Christ from the dead will also give life to
Speaker 1: your mortal bodies because of his spirit who lives in you.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for that, Cody, very based of you.
Speaker 1: But now we have to pick. What's another one? Should
Speaker 1: we do? Big toe country ballad. I've never heard this one.
Speaker 9: There we go, Jack money, Big toe Money is the
Speaker 9: song of smersh.
Speaker 1: You know, it's fun, walk all stay even, no shoes on,
Speaker 1: Hall on the street, Boom two go, Jack Money. Job
Speaker 1: is the song of the summer.
Speaker 2: Shoe you know it's fun, walk all stage and no
Speaker 2: shoes on.
Speaker 1: This is pretty good. Yeah, pature with.
Speaker 9: My feet feel good?
Speaker 4: Your feet well?
Speaker 1: Sabardic Psycho for two says, wtf is going on? Well,
Speaker 1: we started a half hour early and it did not work.
Speaker 1: Amuri Boy for five says John being early is as
Speaker 1: bad as being late, bad John, Did no one teach
Speaker 1: you that manners maketh Man? Thank you very much for that,
Speaker 1: Amuri Boy. Zany Co for two says, Sunday is almost here,
Speaker 1: and I know that he's trying to lure me to
Speaker 1: a barbecue. Ain't gonna happen, bro, No barbecue in this guy,
Speaker 1: all right?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Art vandal A for two says, just shut up. Focus
Speaker 1: Branding LLC. Yeah, something like that, Focus PR Firm, Trip
Speaker 1: PR Limited, something like that could be funny. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Art Vandala Lightspore for two says Bully and waws that say, Jiff,
Speaker 1: is it good? Are we saying gift now? Is that
Speaker 1: the new thing? That's what we're fighting about? Gift versus
Speaker 1: Jeff fair enough? Zany Co for five says, as I
Speaker 1: posted on X, Lucas is the only thing that might
Speaker 1: save their sinking ship. Ego can destroy them off oh
Speaker 1: real quick. I think if Lucas comes back, it would
Speaker 1: be an overall boon to sales. But I think that
Speaker 1: there is a little bit of a tainted nature of
Speaker 1: t rex arms. Now it's complicated though, Okay, I feel
Speaker 1: like there could be some value to him coming back though,
Speaker 1: for sure. Dick Cheney's Heart for five says, Isaac is
Speaker 1: going to have to go full Novesky out of desperation
Speaker 1: and start squatting on pumpkins to try to boost sales
Speaker 1: and views. He's seen the success of big toe money. Yep,
Speaker 1: he could always become a feet model. A feet model
Speaker 1: is always out there, yeas DG for five. Glad to
Speaker 1: see you back, sir. How does Isaac simultaneously have that
Speaker 1: much hair and that much forehead? Isaac is a man
Speaker 1: of many skills. All right, where's the funny one? Where
Speaker 1: did I put that one? And I put it here?
Speaker 13: There?
Speaker 5: It is?
Speaker 1: H Zanyko for two says Lucas has been more open
Speaker 1: and professional than these fucks. It's it's almost like a
Speaker 1: bit of a dilemma here because you are very open,
Speaker 1: but in trying to be quote unquote professional, you just
Speaker 1: appear to be slanderous and retarded. So like, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna go public, just go public, right, no half measures here,
Speaker 1: Let's just do the thing. Let's just get it on
Speaker 1: tap rack. Stovepipe for five says reminder, sig sucks. Also,
Speaker 1: t Rex Arms wasn't even that cool to begin with.
Speaker 1: This is literally drama. To have drama, all of you
Speaker 1: people need lives, Jass. I don't think it's drama just
Speaker 1: to have drama. I mean, we're talking about a twenty
Speaker 1: million dollar company fighting it out. We're talking about one
Speaker 1: of the most influential figures in the gun tube space.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say the gun industry as a whole,
Speaker 1: although he has been influential there as well, but there
Speaker 1: is no doubt about it. Lucas Botkin is one of
Speaker 1: the most influential figures in the rise of gun tube
Speaker 1: and there are tens of thousands of people who have
Speaker 1: gotten into shooting or been helped in their shooting because
Speaker 1: of Lucas Botkin. That cannot be understated. The Showguns show
Speaker 1: journer for five says funny the schisms happening in the
Speaker 1: non juice families. I mean, again, the Botkins are an
Speaker 1: interesting bunch. Okay, there's maybe we should just do a
Speaker 1: Botkan segment where we just go over like old Botkan
Speaker 1: videos and whatnot. That could be literally just a fun,
Speaker 1: entertaining stream with no value to anyone other than the
Speaker 1: fact that it's funny. Amuri Oh shoot, damn it, I
Speaker 1: lost my place. Oh that's gonna be forever.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 1: Amuri Boy for two says t Rex Equals November November
Speaker 1: Indigo Golf Golf, Echo Romeo Sierra, There you go, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm all right, boy Zandi Koperto says, bring on Lucas.
Speaker 1: Ask if he thinks they have the dollars. Well, they
Speaker 1: might not have the cash, but they can like do
Speaker 1: a payment plan. They can sell some equity. They can
Speaker 1: bring on a third party buyer. They can do lots
Speaker 1: of things, right, because Lucas's shares have value in and
Speaker 1: of themselves. So if they bring on a third party buyer,
Speaker 1: some company or individual to buy his shares, plus come
Speaker 1: up with cash plus payment plan or something like that, right,
Speaker 1: they can make it work. I'm sure. Like listen, they've
Speaker 1: got access to the books, they've got access to equity
Speaker 1: and capital. They can make it happen. They can take
Speaker 1: it a loan if they really wanted to.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The point is that they don't want to. Amuri Boy
Speaker 1: for five says the people the Batkins associate with are
Speaker 1: the ones who end up making all followers of Christ
Speaker 1: look bad. Lucas is smart to have went his own path.
Speaker 1: Well again, I don't know if I would go that far,
Speaker 1: but there are some interesting things in the past. Okay,
Speaker 1: copper Tone for many two dollars. By the way, he
Speaker 1: sent one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, two dollars
Speaker 1: super checks in a row, says n I double g
Speaker 1: E R smiley face. Thank you, coppertone. I saw those
Speaker 1: coming in very base of you. Thank you. Crimpin ain't
Speaker 1: easy for ten, says I appreciate your objectivity. Today, streams
Speaker 1: like this feel authentic and remain Christian. They're the reason
Speaker 1: I spend time in this space while I work. Christ
Speaker 1: Is King well, Crimpin at easy. I am glad that
Speaker 1: you appreciate the content. I'm glad that you thought that
Speaker 1: I was objective. I mean, I would just say that
Speaker 1: I'm not objective. I'm biased, right. I've talked to Lucas
Speaker 1: more than I've talked to Isaac. I don't have any
Speaker 1: ill will towards either, really, but I also have Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm a younger brother to much older brothers, and I
Speaker 1: perhaps have not dealt with the same types of circumstances,
Speaker 1: but the similar feelings run a muck. Let's say so,
Speaker 1: I do have some of that in common with Lucas.
Speaker 1: Polly b for two dollars says coppertone is a patriot. Yes,
Speaker 1: of course, is a says make Lucas show toes right
Speaker 1: the lightspore says Grape Isaac Potkin till he all right,
Speaker 1: that's a weird one, Thank you, Lightspore. Amuri Boy for
Speaker 1: ten dollars says, go doctor once again with the bad takes.
Speaker 1: Sometimes a family relationship is so unhealthy and so corrupted
Speaker 1: that it is best to leave. Not to mention that
Speaker 1: a husband has a duty to keep his own family together. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's very true. You do have to protect your own
Speaker 1: zany Coo for two says poll please Jake or Lucas's toes.
Speaker 1: We did that. Jake did win handily. I might add
Speaker 1: Chud mcgilfertwo says codiacs IQ makes too many choices. Look white.
Speaker 1: Ooh damn Kodiak getting graped in the chat. C Runner
Speaker 1: for five says white Western Eastern Orthodox bros need to
Speaker 1: be publicly shamed, especially the ones we like, such as Focus.
Speaker 1: We are a Protestant nation. Enough with the larp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a very gay take. It's the same
Speaker 1: thing that people would say, well, actually Europeans are pagans,
Speaker 1: so we should all be pagans because we were started
Speaker 1: as a pagan. Erm actually to be a true German
Speaker 1: socialist aryan LARPer. I'm actually going to pray to Odin now, okay,
Speaker 1: because that's our history. That's not important to me. Right,
Speaker 1: the founding values of America, which suck, by the way,
Speaker 1: their liberal their enlightenment, they led exactly where we are now. Right,
Speaker 1: not interested in that. I'm interested in the truth, and
Speaker 1: if the truth happens to be Orthodoxy, then so be it,
Speaker 1: no matter your public shaming. Like imagine how cringe that is. Oh,
Speaker 1: I can't be orthodox because my chat will shame me.
Speaker 1: It's like you're going to deny Christ for your chat.
Speaker 1: That's cringe. That's really gay. That's what's actually gay. Copper
Speaker 1: Tone for two says new t Rex Arms says trans Rights.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that bad. Krimpin ain't easy
Speaker 1: for ten says with the are you a Christian question?
Speaker 1: Go back to the council that decided Christ to tokos
Speaker 1: versus theotokos really make it obscure law. We would call ours,
Speaker 1: we could call ourselves cool names like Pharisees and gate keep. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. The church historically had the ability to
Speaker 1: say who was and was not Christians? Right, So, for instance,
Speaker 1: the one of the earliest heresies would be either arianism
Speaker 1: or a judaizing heresy that was in the Book of
Speaker 1: Acts of course, right, that's the first council is the
Speaker 1: Council of Jerusalem where James is a bishop, and they
Speaker 1: decide that, actually, we don't need to circumcise gentiles anymore.
Speaker 1: That's not a thing that's been fulfilled. It is not
Speaker 1: a requirement for them to enter the church, right, And
Speaker 1: that is one of the first descriptions that they have.
Speaker 1: And so if somebody was saying, oh, you still need
Speaker 1: to be circumcised, then they would actually be kicked out
Speaker 1: of the church, right, they would not be considered Christian.
Speaker 1: Art Vandalay for five says how else do you enforce
Speaker 1: those apostasy clauses with prayer?
Speaker 2: Time?
Speaker 1: Think people think true? A Snogun Show journal for twenty
Speaker 1: dollars says, bring the Natty big Toe money for the peeps.
Speaker 1: Jake can puff a British cigarette also known as a faggot.
Speaker 1: Now let's see, I gotta find what's another one though,
Speaker 1: big toe money, pirate shanty, This could be good, right.
Speaker 9: Pocket toing gold socket, stumble on stage, bare feet, whole
Speaker 9: crowd stop, can't stop it, big toe flash, I lock it,
Speaker 9: blue line cash, I clocke it, the shoes don' missing
Speaker 9: finomic colin.
Speaker 1: I rocket or I need to speak boy?
Speaker 9: Need is the one step than two?
Speaker 1: Stabby room, This goes Hartle shame.
Speaker 3: No, I came to colla dry.
Speaker 15: So mon so money money fund, Aged's go dumb for
Speaker 15: the summer.
Speaker 1: So money so money. All I need is feet, boy
Speaker 1: gone gone.
Speaker 9: To paint chiefs still shining them, the souls still climbing.
Speaker 1: Count Dude, that might need to be an intro song
Speaker 1: all and of itself. Dude, that is good. Heck yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, showgun show journer. I appreciate you. Good sir.
Speaker 1: Uh Sea Runner for two says if Lucas Botkin is
Speaker 1: really anti Trinity, then he's anti christ I would agree
Speaker 1: with that. I think that the Trinity is a easy
Speaker 1: delineation point between Christians and non Christians. Right, Historically that's
Speaker 1: always been the case, right, as was settled in the
Speaker 1: First Council of Nicia. Right. So that's why Mormons might
Speaker 1: be some of the nicest people you would ever meet,
Speaker 1: but they're not traditionally considered Christians, right because they are
Speaker 1: anti Trinity. Uh. Carver for two says big to money
Speaker 1: rama equal is better than religion. Drama is better than
Speaker 1: Isaac's little problems. I think big Toe money is a
Speaker 1: bigger deal for sure. Sea Runner for five says Grox says,
Speaker 1: Lucas adheres to the Trinity doctrine. Take my money and smile, Johnny,
Speaker 1: take it. Take it well, they got a little weird
Speaker 1: at the end, but I'll take Grock's opinion that Lucas
Speaker 1: is not a anti Trinitarian heretic. Warsmith for five says
Speaker 1: I got a new Lifted hundred today twenty eighteen v.
Speaker 4: Eight.
Speaker 1: I think I saw Task Force Tater throw up in
Speaker 1: the chat, so I'm not sure if that's a good model.
Speaker 1: I'm not a car guy, right, but I'm glad that
Speaker 1: happened to you. We're sorry about that. I'm going to
Speaker 1: get a custom license plate that says BTM Brocks in
Speaker 1: honor of Jake. That's based. Yes, if you do that,
Speaker 1: you do have to send me a picture of it,
Speaker 1: and I will absolutely use that somewhere. Thank you, copper
Speaker 1: Tone once again for one, two, three, four, five, six
Speaker 1: seven two dollars chats says n I G G E R,
Speaker 1: and then he misspells somehow the smiley face, but still base.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Coppertone Central sans Defense for five says a woman caused
Speaker 1: the Beatles breakup and the drama in static X, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying yes, well, listen, women from the Dawn of
Speaker 1: Time Eve have been known to introduce all sorts of issues, right,
Speaker 1: so yes, blame women one hundred percent agree with you
Speaker 1: all the time. Base base based base based zany co
Speaker 1: for two and two and two says j E. W.
Speaker 1: And then Cody Fisher follows it up with five more w's.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of ws in chat. Copper Tone for
Speaker 1: two says Cass Geikes have the job already, ah, I
Speaker 1: see understand. For twenty dollars, says I want to give
Speaker 1: away a comstock Armory titanium adapter for a plan Be
Speaker 1: suppressor who needs it one hundred dollars value for a
Speaker 1: dead air Wolfman goes to maybe mojave and an RXD
Speaker 1: nine ten t How do I do it? Leave it
Speaker 1: up to you? He just has to be a Christian. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you send it to me, I can
Speaker 1: give it away on the discord, like I'll be happy
Speaker 1: to handle that for you. That's very generous of you.
Speaker 1: And also, listen, you spent twenty dollars, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: pick another big toe money. I don't know what, Mommy, Mommy,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a big toe. Jake owsis them toes?
Speaker 1: Let's try this one. Jay fucking never step. It's nuts
Speaker 1: much as till I paid.
Speaker 15: Yeah payment, do we o the game?
Speaker 1: We can die ball fish.
Speaker 15: Your mom No, sir daddy, you owe us tolls. You
Speaker 15: ow ust to tolls, You o dolls.
Speaker 3: We brought you on that a blacks and the does.
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: All right? Fair enough, crimpin ain't easy for five says.
Speaker 1: Bring up equals can't ruin something existing you didn't take
Speaker 1: a risk to earn. Post numb removes something earned through
Speaker 1: a risk your provider husband took. No. I think that
Speaker 1: can be true for sure, But if you're going to
Speaker 1: require some people to have it, and some people not
Speaker 1: to it's a I understand why that could be problematic
Speaker 1: and look bad. Zany Co for two says Lucas. Let's
Speaker 1: see metata souls all right, Buddy lost Arrow for two
Speaker 1: says six to seven, Thank you very much. C Runner
Speaker 1: for two says founders count can't do hostile takeovers. That's
Speaker 1: a good point. Yeah, the founder of the company is
Speaker 1: doing a hostile takeover. Well, I guess a founder of
Speaker 1: the company could leave the company and then do like
Speaker 1: a hostile takeover after he's been removed from the company,
Speaker 1: because that's happened before, right, where like a board of
Speaker 1: directors pushes someone out of the company and then later
Speaker 1: on through you know, political machinations, he's able to like
Speaker 1: force his way back on. That could technically happen. Polly
Speaker 1: B for two says I feel bad for Isaac. I
Speaker 1: will pray for him. You should be. I mean, you
Speaker 1: should pray for all the parties involved, regardless, right, regardless
Speaker 1: of who you think is right and wrong. You can
Speaker 1: pray for him. Not gonna be a bad thing. Polly
Speaker 1: B for five says chud Ari Speed this up for
Speaker 1: November Rage Bait a man of focus, commitment and sheer
Speaker 1: will thank you at Polly b sdk rapscallion who. I'm
Speaker 1: going to drop their link once again, and then I'm
Speaker 1: going to refresh the page. Okay, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: be real, guys. I do want them to be above
Speaker 1: three hundred subscribers. Please be above three hundred subscribers. If not,
Speaker 1: no Halo? How about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Two hundred and eighteen that's it. Okay, Yeah, we're not
Speaker 1: playing Halo if you guys, If you guys aren't going
Speaker 1: to subscribe to their channel and get them above three hundred,
Speaker 1: then no, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna play Halo.
Speaker 1: Why would I even do that? You guys don't deserve it.
Speaker 1: SDK for five says one v one rust for one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the shares only way to settle it.
Speaker 1: I think Lucas has got it in the bag. If
Speaker 1: that happens, Polly be for two says Liquid Snake Brothers.
Speaker 1: Yeah not you, Yeah brothers. Asterix Sabartic Psycho for five
Speaker 1: says if Isaac is lurking in chat, I want him
Speaker 1: to know that he looks like g Man from Half
Speaker 1: Life A fair enough. Copper Tone for two says The
Speaker 1: Slander was Lucas having a spine possible. Randy reviews it
Speaker 1: for five says, why won't anyone make me tungsten glock
Speaker 1: Gen five grip plugs? I do wish people made more
Speaker 1: tungsten accessories one hundred percent. I like tungsten. Okay, tungsten
Speaker 1: is great for lots of things. I wish they would
Speaker 1: actually use it more. Doc for five says, thanks John
Speaker 1: for making it through the stream without rich dentist hate. Well, listen, Doc,
Speaker 1: you send me five dollars. I appreciate it even if
Speaker 1: you are a rich dentist. Chase for five says Isaac
Speaker 1: and the Botkins learning the hard way their family dynamic
Speaker 1: hierarchy doesn't apply to the real world. Yes, inter family
Speaker 1: dynamics do not always map onto reality one to one.
Speaker 1: So your patriarch not saying it's a bad thing to
Speaker 1: have a patriarch of the family ahead of the family,
Speaker 1: not at all. I think that's a good model to have.
Speaker 1: But we got to somehow apply that in a reasonable
Speaker 1: way to the real world where everything can live. Everyone
Speaker 1: can live in harmony. One hundred percent, and then understand
Speaker 1: for once. For two dollars says send me your address, please,
Speaker 1: can you can you go over to my email focus
Speaker 1: trip at gmail dot com and send me an email.
Speaker 1: I mean my address. My shipping address is listed on
Speaker 1: my web site. Heelbox two sixty seven marry an SD
Speaker 1: five seven oh four three. All right, uh, let's see
Speaker 1: I think okay, that was it there, Let's go to
Speaker 1: CO five. Sorry, gentlemen, there's a lot of support. You
Speaker 1: guys have been extremely generous, and I apologize for making
Speaker 1: you wait so long for me to get to it.
Speaker 1: keV dog becomes a Kofi Caffeine creep. Handsome horse becomes
Speaker 1: the Kofi Caffeine creep. Very base. Seal Hammer for five
Speaker 1: dollars says this all could have been avoided if they
Speaker 1: just committed to honor killing the guy who sent impure
Speaker 1: images to Lucas's wife. That is very true, Thank you,
Speaker 1: seal Hammer. Polly B four twenty dollars says, rest in
Speaker 1: piss t rex arms, step on snake, skin it and
Speaker 1: eat it. Snake is tasty. I will eat your ass.
Speaker 1: Give me some Alex Jones sounders, Dude, I don't have
Speaker 1: any Alex Jones sounders handy, but maybe we just look
Speaker 1: them up. Alex Jones. Uh I mean, there we go.
Speaker 1: That should do it right, best of Alex Jones. Let's
Speaker 1: do this one.
Speaker 12: They call me the meme machine.
Speaker 15: You get what you deserve, you cockled pieces of crap.
Speaker 15: But as for me, I'm awakened free. They haven't broken
Speaker 15: to me. I'm free, and me and my family and
Speaker 15: others we're standing up and fighting back. I'm Alex Jones
Speaker 15: and this is seventeen seventy six world wide. And if
Speaker 15: you think this is a joker funny because you're so brainwashed,
Speaker 15: this is what it's like to be alive. This is
Speaker 15: what it's like to not be a slave. This is
Speaker 15: what it's like to be involved.
Speaker 1: Dude, I need this as my alarm clock. Bro, this
Speaker 1: goes hard.
Speaker 12: Let's go and building real things. And then they lie
Speaker 12: and say that I'm countering the gay bomb with my product.
Speaker 12: That was a BBC headline about a gay bomb chemicals
Speaker 12: they were going to spray on the iraqis that basically
Speaker 12: make you have sex with.
Speaker 1: A fence post.
Speaker 12: But again they don't think you'll like a vast article
Speaker 12: saying I'm a liar about lizard penis rage. That was
Speaker 12: associated press about the lizard penises. But it sounds crazy,
Speaker 12: so they take it out of context. Yes, shipping in
Speaker 12: smuggled monitor lizard penises there to sign has developed gay
Speaker 12: bomb the Daily Mail.
Speaker 1: I'm not the one making this up.
Speaker 15: This is going on just like you're talking to you know, alexas.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Alex. Handsome Horse for three dollars says what's
Speaker 1: good about this company? Uh Kai raped Jeet slave, little
Speaker 1: Booty far for three says ninety percent of of sluts
Speaker 1: can't even fathom the amount of revenue generated by Jake's
Speaker 1: Sweet Sweet Dogs big toe money. You know what's funny
Speaker 1: is that I'm pretty sure that Jake actually would be
Speaker 1: in like the top five percent of OnlyFans models. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's I'm gonna have to ask Jake
Speaker 1: about that. Handsome Horse for three says funding the too
Speaker 1: Many Choices Epilepsy fund based. Handsome Horse wife who's enslaved
Speaker 1: Jimmy's Unrustled for five says, Isaac looks like he would
Speaker 1: enjoy living out his life being a eunuch in the
Speaker 1: reloading dungeon mining powder. Imagine him stealing glances at boondock
Speaker 1: ball acician's cage as he pushes a mine cart. Asked
Speaker 1: for lit alcove. Dude, that is a dark fantasy you
Speaker 1: got going on right there about your your reloading dungeons
Speaker 1: slash mining operation. It's a decrepit Isaac and boondock is
Speaker 1: you know, feral in a cage like hasn't spoken in
Speaker 1: years and it's just skin pale white for no sunlight
Speaker 1: and just like you know, like the milky white eyes
Speaker 1: because they've adapted to the dark man. That's dark, bro.
Speaker 1: Thank you though, Why Fu's enslaved? Jimmy's unrustled? Polly B
Speaker 1: for five says, we need to study David Lucas and
Speaker 1: Isaac Botkins hairlines for science. What did David do wrong?
Speaker 1: Or which Jens went astray? Those genes definitely went astray.
Speaker 1: But where's it? I need a white shot? A white shot?
Speaker 1: There we go. Yes, also a bad screenshot. My apologies.
Speaker 1: Polly B for another to twenty dollars says, as far
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, Isaac's physical discomfort with free and post
Speaker 1: nuptial details is the crux of the entire issue. The
Speaker 1: family threw a hand grenade into one marriage and took
Speaker 1: great umbrage at it being thrown back with less time
Speaker 1: on the fuse who here is anti Lucas and why
Speaker 1: are you gay? That's a good point. What should we play? Okay,
Speaker 1: we got another twenty in here, so let's go back
Speaker 1: to the Big Toe Money, which I'm gonna drop the
Speaker 1: Big Toe Money channel in here as well. Also, by
Speaker 1: the way, again keep in mind here's Big Toe Money
Speaker 1: in the chat. But also, if you guys do not
Speaker 1: subscribe to SDK or to col for Culture Warfare podcast,
Speaker 1: we're not playing Halo. I apologize. Grind core, Jake's Little Piggies,
Speaker 1: K pop Jake Money, big to money. This song is
Speaker 1: so much as you know. It's funny. Welcome stage, no
Speaker 1: shoes on.
Speaker 3: Down, too gone, Take money, stake so money, so much,
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 11: It's money.
Speaker 1: I'll say no, I need to see boy. I want
Speaker 1: too good.
Speaker 2: My seat feel good?
Speaker 1: Your feet well they should, y'all just sitting in the
Speaker 1: grass with a cigarette.
Speaker 3: Take money, take so money. That's a bigger check.
Speaker 1: Looking in everybody's having a little good this game. Bomb
Speaker 1: off the hook. I'm the first motherfucker I have to feet.
Speaker 12: What's my fucking back when I'm moving through the streets
Speaker 12: looking at my wall?
Speaker 1: Man, it is green like a gecko. Take off money,
Speaker 1: I think we're done with that one all right by
Speaker 1: she's thatain sucks? Sorry did my audio go down? It
Speaker 1: should be back now. What I was saying is that
Speaker 1: if you do not subscribe to Culture Warfare podcast, then
Speaker 1: we can't play halo. I apologize, I apologize my bad.
Speaker 1: Let's actually see what are they at right now? What
Speaker 1: are they at right now? Ladies two twenty nine? That's better,
Speaker 1: But that's not there, bros. That is that is nowhere,
Speaker 1: ye where we need to be right now? Okay, thank
Speaker 1: you very much, Polly be appreciate you, good sir. Our
Speaker 1: vandal A for three says, it really seems to me
Speaker 1: like Kara is not as easily manipulated and intimidated as
Speaker 1: the family is. Sorry, sorry, it really seems to me
Speaker 1: like Kara is not as easily manipulated and it intimidated
Speaker 1: the family into starting this mess. I mean essentially, yeah,
Speaker 1: the fight between Kara and the Botkins and then of
Speaker 1: course Lucas who happens to be her husband. Right, obviously
Speaker 1: that's going to throw a wrench into things if you're
Speaker 1: not going to, you know, allow her into the family.
Speaker 10: Oh.
Speaker 1: Jared for five says, I was told rage bait doesn't
Speaker 1: start until halfway through the stream. But here we are
Speaker 1: watching internet. Maori. I wanted a hopium stream Jeremiah twenty
Speaker 1: nine eleven. Christ is King and God is good. I
Speaker 1: agree with you, good sir. Someday, okay, someday we will
Speaker 1: get a hopium stream, just not today. It's all right,
Speaker 1: and I