WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:04.160 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Hope you're having a wonderful 2 00:00:04.679 --> 00:00:09.880 Friday night, because I certainly am, because I was gifted 3 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:15.599 with the Isaac Batkan Culture Warfare podcast interview, which is 4 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:19.000 I think just over two hours long and chalk full 5 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:23.640 of wonderful, amazing statements that I wasn't quite expecting. Actually, 6 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:26.960 I think that they did a very good job. And 7 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:29.800 so that's what we're going to be discussing tonight. Now. 8 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:33.000 It's not just going to be that, though, because we 9 00:00:33.119 --> 00:00:37.119 have a lot of things to discuss in this war 10 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:42.240 Battle interview process thing. We've got a whole timeline. T 11 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:45.719 Rex Arms has a timeline, Lucas has a timeline. We'll 12 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:50.039 see where they match up and where they diverge, of course, 13 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:51.520 but then we've got a little bit of rage bait. 14 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:55.119 But because it's Friday night, because we started the stream 15 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:57.840 a little bit early, still, like twenty minutes early, guys, 16 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:00.679 you can't complain, right, fuirly, you guys can't complain that 17 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.000 I'm twenty minutes early. But because of that, we're gonna 18 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:06.920 be doing some Halo custom games at the end. It's 19 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:10.359 gonna be like a community games Friday nights after the 20 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:13.159 main meat of the stream. Whatever it is, gonna play 21 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:16.280 a real game, something that's not quite so rage inducing, 22 00:01:16.359 --> 00:01:18.760 something that's not quite so cringe. It's just gonna be 23 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:23.000 classic Halo. All right, master Chief Collection, whatever you happen 24 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:25.640 to be on. If you're in the discord, great, everybody 25 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:28.599 already knows. If you're not in the discord, ah, man, 26 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:33.120 that sucks. Damn. Maybe next time. No, we'll probably be 27 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:37.000 dropping the link to the discord throughout the stream. But 28 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:40.400 worry not, ladies and gentlemen, because there is just so 29 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:45.000 much time, so much time before then, because we have 30 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:46.879 to go over all of this nonsense. And I'm not 31 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:49.200 even kidding. Okay, it's a lot now I'm trying to 32 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:51.920 figure out because I'm not on stream yards again. Here 33 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:54.319 we go. There it is. Yes, that's what I'm looking for. 34 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:59.480 So because we are on obs, we've got a lot 35 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:03.040 of stuff to discuss. So we should see here on 36 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:07.920 screen the Culture Culture Warfare Podcast. Let me go ahead 37 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:10.520 and drop this link in the chat for all of 38 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:13.000 you so that you guys. Oh shoot, am I actually 39 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:16.240 on focus tracks over there? No way? Or is this 40 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:20.599 log doing its focus tracks? No way? That's crazy. Uh shoot, 41 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:25.439 Oh that's why. What is going on here? Am I 42 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:28.960 on the main channel? Am I streaming incorrectly? What is 43 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:32.159 going on here? I wish we had mods in the chat. 44 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:34.319 I'm sure we do, but I'll find the link and 45 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:36.919 drop it. Anyways, this is my bad. I was sitting 46 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:39.800 on the wrong account. There we are. Heck yeah, I 47 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:43.199 see sdk raps Gallion in the chat as well. Thank 48 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:45.599 you for hanging out man, Thank you for doing the interview. Okay, 49 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:49.560 I just dropped the link to the Culture Warfare podcast. 50 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:52.120 They only have one hundred and one hundred and eighty 51 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:54.479 four thousand. They only have one hundred and eighty four subscribers, 52 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:57.560 so they need more, okay, and I'm thinking they need 53 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:01.080 to be like over three hundred by the end of 54 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:05.680 the stream. Because Isaac Botkin decided to stream or to 55 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:08.800 do the interview on their podcast. It came out yesterday 56 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:11.960 morning and it has four thousand views already, only one 57 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:14.400 hundred and eighty four subscribers. Though, you guys should go 58 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:17.080 over there, should subscribe. If you don't do it, I 59 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:20.000 will cry myself to sleep and it will be very, 60 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:21.879 very sad for all of you to have to witness 61 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:24.840 me do that. On a Friday night, So maybe some 62 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:28.360 background on this a little bit so, of course, for 63 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:31.680 those of you who don't know, somehow Isaac Botkin, Lucas Botkin, 64 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:34.919 David Botkin, David Nor and the rest of the Botkin 65 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:39.360 clan have been in a legal battle or a fight 66 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:45.039 over payment for what almost eighteen months, not quite eighteen months. 67 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:47.960 I think it was May of last year, so we're 68 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:50.879 looking at about fifteen months right now where the brothers 69 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:54.120 have been fighting it out, having this public fallout. We've 70 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:56.599 of course covered it more on the Lucas side of 71 00:03:56.639 --> 00:04:01.560 things here, talking to Brandon Wombat, talking to anybody that 72 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:04.360 would We've done a couple interviews with Lucas. Of course, 73 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:07.280 I did reach out to Isaac when all this sort 74 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:10.759 of stuff started to blow up, and he didn't respond, 75 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:13.759 And after this video went up live that we're about 76 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:16.240 to talk about in just a moment, I sent him 77 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:20.279 another message today basically think or yesterday, thanking him for 78 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:22.639 what he said about Dugan Ashley, because I do want 79 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:27.000 to give Isaac a bunch of credit here in the beginning, 80 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:32.279 because SDK and Glockenjoyer do bring up Dugan Ashley, they 81 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.879 do talk about the case and Isaac seems very supportive. 82 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:39.000 He seems willing to help perhaps whether it's him or 83 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:42.079 t rex Arms or a combination of the two. So 84 00:04:42.319 --> 00:04:45.160 for that, I am very thankful, and I reached out 85 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:49.199 thanking Isaac for his support in that vector. Right, So 86 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:52.839 I'm very happy to compliment him when he does something 87 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:55.279 that I agree with or that I think is very based. 88 00:04:56.639 --> 00:05:00.959 But unfortunately the second half of the interview so doesn't 89 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:05.120 go quite as well. Right, So I'm gonna compliment him 90 00:05:05.160 --> 00:05:09.959 on the first thirty five minutes basically, and then there's 91 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:13.000 some other stuff where he gets into like gun tube 92 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:18.120 advertising problems. Now, while that is true that gun Tube 93 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:24.319 is artificially held down by YouTube, the t rex Arms 94 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:31.759 decline is not do to YouTube artificially hammering their channel. 95 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:35.920 It's because a bunch of people unsubscribed and pressed the 96 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:39.199 dislike button. And when people unsubscribed and press the dislike 97 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:42.040 button or no longer click on your videos, well then 98 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:46.079 YouTube stops recommending your channel. Right, It's just what happens 99 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:48.920 if you're a small channel and everyone recommends your video, 100 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:51.680 or everyone likes your video, everyone subscribes after clicking on 101 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:54.439 it doesn't matter. You're gonna get a ton of recommendations 102 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:57.800 even if you have no subscribers. T rex Arms has 103 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.839 a lot of subscribers. Nobody clicks like on their videos. 104 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:02.560 Not a lot of people click on their videos in 105 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:04.439 the first place, and if they do, it's to leave 106 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:08.160 a common press dislike and then leave. Right. So I 107 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:09.800 do think that, of course two things can be true 108 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.399 at the same time. YouTube can artificially hold down a 109 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:16.079 lot of gun channels, and they can make it difficult 110 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:19.439 for gun companies to even like market product in any 111 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:23.360 meaningful way. And also t rex arms personal woes can 112 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:27.120 be there of their own making, right all right now, 113 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:29.600 the meat that everybody wants to talk about, and the 114 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:33.519 thing that I think Culture Warfare podcast SDK and Glockenjoyer 115 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:37.199 did a very very good job at Okay, I actually 116 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:39.639 want to give them a lot of credit. Is that 117 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:45.879 for the next hour and twenty minutes, the demeanor shifts. Okay, 118 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:49.680 there's a very noticeable change here once we get out 119 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:53.399 of Isaac's wheelhouse. Because Isaac, if you watch t rex 120 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:56.160 Arms or t rex Labs or any of that sort 121 00:06:56.199 --> 00:07:00.920 of stuff, is very well composed. He's I wouldn't maybe charismatic, 122 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:03.560 isn't the right word, even though I think that there 123 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.560 is a certain type of charisma there for sure, not 124 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:08.959 in like the same way of you know, some other 125 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:11.560 figures in the gun industry, but he does have a 126 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:17.439 certain level of charisma, competency, confidence in areas that he 127 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:19.920 does quite well. And that's why he's then at t 128 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.279 rex Arm since I think twenty nineteen. It has helped 129 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:26.959 the company grow significantly in that time. However, there is 130 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:31.680 a very clear delineation between what he is comfortable talking 131 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:36.800 about and what he is not comfortable talking about, which 132 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:40.519 is it's a lot. It's a lot. So and I 133 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:43.199 got to give credit again to SDK and Glock for 134 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:48.240 the next hour and twenty minutes continuing to press, continuing 135 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:51.879 to move the conversation even when Isaac doesn't want to. 136 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:57.920 They continue to push and prod and press nicely. They're 137 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:00.439 not being mean, they're not being ub to, they're not 138 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:06.360 being overly critical, like they're being concillary right in a way. 139 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:10.519 But Isaac does go on to say a lot of things, 140 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:15.759 a lot of perhaps silly things, and like I'm not 141 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:19.439 a hater. Okay, I did watch Ben's diatribe on it today. 142 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:22.920 Ben is a hater, Ben doesn't like Isaac, that's fine. 143 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:25.959 I don't come at it from quite that angle because 144 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:29.279 I actually do like Isaac and I'm gonna be more 145 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:35.720 charitable to him than others might be. But SDK rape Scallion, 146 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.440 that's quite funny. Thank you three OI supremacist. But I 147 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:41.759 don't have any issue with Isaac. I just think once 148 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:46.320 again that he just needs to stop talking, like, you know, 149 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:49.519 like just don't ever talk about this again until it's settled. 150 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:51.480 Because I mean, if you do it, and of course 151 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:54.320 gives me more content, but realistically, like just just stop 152 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:55.320 doing it, Just stop it. 153 00:08:55.399 --> 00:08:55.679 All right. 154 00:08:55.720 --> 00:08:58.799 Well, anyways, that's enough of a preamble. I have a 155 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:01.840 bunch of other stuff pulled up, of course, to get 156 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:05.159 into some things that are annoying, some things are fun, 157 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:10.399 and we'll see where. We'll see where the battle lines 158 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:13.399 currently are, at least as far as the Internet is concerned. 159 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:15.720 Who is winning this battle, okay, because that's what we 160 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:17.960 want to know. Who's going to win in the long run. 161 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:21.879 Who's gonna blink first? Spoiler alert. I don't think it's 162 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:25.279 gonna be Lucas. That's my that's my guess here, because 163 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:29.240 the one thing that Isaac has tried to save in 164 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:34.440 kicking or you know, not acquiescing to Lucas's demands has 165 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:37.399 not panned out. So let's go ahead and let's just 166 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:42.159 get into it here when the video plays, don't kill 167 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:42.840 me now YouTube. 168 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:48.320 Okay, So going back to. 169 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:53.080 Long winded, No, it's a lot. 170 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:53.960 Of insight there. 171 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:01.759 When we talk about like gun Tube and things in 172 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:07.360 the gun industry and surrounding transparency and trust within companies, 173 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:09.480 and that disappearing. 174 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.679 T Rex has had quite quite the year. 175 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:16.879 Yeah, that is good. 176 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:20.759 Yes, a lot of things, a lot of things. 177 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:25.399 Dude, Isaac is like, oh no, here it comes here 178 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:27.600 it because before this it was like pretty good. You know, 179 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:32.960 we're talking about politics, we're talking about gun industry as 180 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:36.000 a whole, not just t Rex Arms. We're talking about 181 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:39.159 all sorts of fun stuff that's right in Isaac's wheelhouse. 182 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:43.120 And here it comes like a freight train. Okay, it 183 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.080 took forty five minutes to get to it. But here we. 184 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:51.000 Are going on on your front. And I'm sure it's 185 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.159 very stressful on you and you've been very busy, but 186 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:57.039 I don't think there's any need to sugarcoat it. 187 00:10:57.080 --> 00:10:57.600 I think. 188 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:01.480 The numbers have kind of like shown that maybe sales 189 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:06.559 are down and you've possibly had to lay off some employees, 190 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.759 and a big reason for that is the fallout between 191 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:11.720 you and your brother or not. 192 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:14.480 Now I wanna I wish he would have been more 193 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:17.720 specific here because I actually want real numbers. So okay, 194 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:23.120 we'll start with the interview critique, because last year I 195 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:26.480 think they were hovering between ninety and one hundred employees 196 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:29.480 most of the time, and that might have fluctuated here 197 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:33.960 or there. I think Lucas took two plus himself obviously, 198 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:36.720 and then the one that they fired after Lucas, which 199 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:41.159 is funny, right. However, I think now, at least according 200 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:45.039 to their indeed posting hiring a new CEO after the 201 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:49.360 CEO Mark Dole is that the guy's name. He's gone now. 202 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:52.000 But I think they're around seventy employees, so I think 203 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:56.200 they've dropped twenty five percent, thirty percent, and then there's 204 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:58.360 rumors that that's going to go up even higher to 205 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.120 roughly fifty percent of them we'll use. So I would 206 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:04.399 have pressed on that because that's interesting because that tells 207 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:07.360 me how is business going, and how are you forecasting 208 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:08.120 your business to go? 209 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:12.519 You specifically your t REX Arms and Luke Lucas. 210 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:15.200 Lucas clarifies he took five employees. My bad. I thought 211 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:18.039 it was Brandley marketing guy and yourself, but five. Its 212 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:20.399 fine layoffs were last week. 213 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:26.840 Yeah, yeah, and you guys released your own. 214 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:29.039 At least to be fair, Isaac does not push back there. 215 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:31.320 He's like, yeah, we lost a bunch of employees. 216 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:33.519 About it, and a lot of people. 217 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:37.840 In the industry and a lot of commenters online have 218 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:42.120 talked about how it seemed like you guys were trying 219 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:47.399 to be transparent, but they felt that there are more 220 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:53.440 questions afterwards and that maybe wasn't as transparent as what 221 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:55.519 some people would like. What would you say to the 222 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:59.720 people who think that way. 223 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.519 Yeah, I think it's a very delicate balance because we're 224 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:10.879 talking about we're talking about a a a schism inside 225 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:11.120 of a. 226 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:16.360 Yeah, you can see how painful this is to talk about, right, Isaac, Like, 227 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.519 if I was Isaac Okay, realistically, if I'm agreeing to 228 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:22.799 do this interview on a channel that has one hundred 229 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.639 no offense to Culture Warfare podcast, of course, I'm gonna 230 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:27.399 drop the link again in the chat for all of you. 231 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:31.679 But if I'm gonna be doing a podcast like this 232 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:35.799 become I'm literally just gonna pull a fauc sheet and 233 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:37.919 be like, oh, yeah, I can't talk about that because 234 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:40.840 we're there's proceedings going on right now. Yeah. Sorry, I 235 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:43.799 just can't talk about that right now. Yeah sorry. I 236 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:45.559 mean we're moving forward in that, and we're trying to 237 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:49.279 be like super generic, like basically say nothing, you know, 238 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:50.960 be like, oh, yeah, we're trying to resolve it as 239 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:53.480 amicably as possible, and you know, we'll figure it out 240 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:55.120 for the future. But you know, blah blah blah, we're 241 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:57.879 still pushing for it. You're just generic and gobbledygook. Just 242 00:13:57.919 --> 00:13:58.360 say that. 243 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:01.879 Family, which I think is a very private thing, and 244 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:04.000 I think it should have stayed private. But then of 245 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:08.399 course there were impacts on a company, which is a 246 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:12.200 little a different thing. And then obviously Lucas was a 247 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:15.480 gun tuber and so obviously there was a public aspect 248 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:15.879 to this. 249 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:20.519 Well, right, And that's the thing is, not only is 250 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:23.080 Lucas obviously a very public person, but so is t 251 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:27.360 Rex Arms. Like never forget that. T Rex Arms from 252 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:32.840 its inception has been very vocal about their desires, wants, 253 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:37.000 and goals within the industry. Their mission statement if you will. 254 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.639 I also do. There was a funny time period in 255 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:43.080 there whoever was running the t Rex Arms YouTube account, 256 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.679 where for like two months after Lucas was gone, they 257 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:50.039 still had the Lucas What is t Rex Arms about 258 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:53.320 video as like the first thing that you see on 259 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:56.200 their YouTube channel, which to me is just funny, right, 260 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.639 It's just funny. That's like, ah, that's awkward. The guy's 261 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:01.919 not there anymore, and now he's you know, going over 262 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:05.960 their mission statement and it's just you know, perhaps a 263 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:09.720 little ironic, I suppose, but yeah, it's it's a public situation. 264 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:11.600 And that's why if I'm going to be giving my 265 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:16.840 money to a company, they they do kind of owe 266 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:19.200 it to me in some way to say that they 267 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:22.519 are upholding the values that they purport to. You know, 268 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:28.360 It's like Knight's Armament doesn't really have a public mission statement. 269 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:31.559 They're not outspoken on their social media about being a 270 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:35.559 Christian family company. Now if they were very outspoken about 271 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:38.720 being a Christian family company that puts God first in everything, 272 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:42.679 and then they have videos of trade Junior, like packing 273 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:46.720 up webcams and you know, houses with children inside with 274 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:50.000 a machete while high on meth. It's like, well, you 275 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.840 kind of owe the public and explanation for this, right 276 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:56.480 because your mission statement and your actions are not matching up. 277 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:01.360 So yeah, but I do think people I think people 278 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:05.279 deserve a lot of transparency for the public side. But 279 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:07.879 in terms of things that we didn't want to talk 280 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:09.279 about and still don't want to talk about, a lot 281 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:11.440 of those are related to the family side. And some 282 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.879 of that is company stuff, and I would say employee 283 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:19.519 stuff or maybe even legal stuff. Where the issue is 284 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:22.360 that people need to know, it's that they want to know. 285 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:25.759 There's a lot of stuff that I think, of course 286 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:31.080 we can. We can talk about the public aspects, we 287 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.679 can talk about some of the business aspects, and a 288 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.440 lot of the family aspects. I know Lucas has made 289 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:39.919 a lot of very public statements, but that's an area 290 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:43.759 where the rest of our family has has wanted to 291 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:44.799 be see. 292 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:48.200 I don't I don't really buy that though. I don't 293 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.960 like that framing. I think that's a little disingenuous because 294 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:57.000 let's just go over the time frame, shall we. So 295 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:01.519 right here on May twenty eighth, this is like early June, 296 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:06.160 Lucas puts out this post on Instagram, right, and this 297 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:09.240 is all he says. This is it. This is the 298 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:13.720 first stone, this is the first warning shot. This is 299 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:17.559 the first skirmish in the battle of Lucas versus t 300 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:20.680 rex Arms. Right. On May twenty eight, twenty twenty five, 301 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:23.319 I resigned as an employee board member of my company, 302 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:26.519 t Rex Arms, per my shareholder agreement with my business partners. 303 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:28.839 They will be buying out my equity. I believe that's 304 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:31.160 still the case over a year later, we don't know. 305 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:34.359 This decision was not made lightly, but was required in 306 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:36.559 order to maintain my values and take care of my family. 307 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:38.799 I will share more details in the coming months. The 308 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:41.759 future is exciting and new ventures are already underwear. I'm 309 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:44.559 not done yet. Now you'll notice in this initial skirmish, 310 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:50.920 this initial fight, Lucas says nothing about t Rex Arms, 311 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:55.640 about any individual, about nothing other than an inference of 312 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:59.519 protecting his values and taking care of his family. Right. So, now, 313 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.359 there's may be some insinuation of something happening there, but 314 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:06.759 there's no direct t Rex Arms is bad and I 315 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:11.319 hate them, rah Right. The first person to actually say 316 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:17.480 anything about the situation is t Rex Arms, and they 317 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:22.279 posted this video June second, twenty twenty five. Now here's 318 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:25.160 the thing, guys, I had to search for this video 319 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:30.200 because t Rex Arms unlisted all of their responses, which 320 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.480 is so annoying. Lucasten unlist his video, which came after 321 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:36.119 the fact, of course, but Lucas or t rex Arms 322 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:41.400 unlisted both of their videos, which made them very difficult 323 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:44.319 and obnoxious for me to find because I had to 324 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:46.960 like search back in different articles and what not to 325 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:51.119 find a live link for their video which has been unlisted. 326 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.319 So that was a bit obnoxious, maybe a bit untransparent 327 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:59.119 as well. So June second, t rex Arms puts up 328 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:01.400 this response video, which we will go into in just 329 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:05.920 a minute, and then let's see five days later, Lucas 330 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:08.680 puts out his video. Now, if I remember the timeline correct, 331 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:11.559 in one of the interviews with Lucas, he wasn't planning 332 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:16.759 on making any videos for a month or so after this. 333 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:21.240 And then because they released this statement talking about pornographic 334 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:23.880 images sent to his wife, this is when Lucas has 335 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:26.400 to basically give his side of the story. And then 336 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.400 later on June twenty seventh is when they do the 337 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.160 full on twenty minute video with Mark Dahl, who is 338 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:37.319 now no longer the CEO, David Noor, David Bodkin, and 339 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:40.640 Isaac Botkin. Now, what these four people are currently doing 340 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:44.400 at the company is kind of an unknown to me. 341 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:49.559 Because the ship is there, they're routing the deck chairs 342 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:51.839 while the ship is getting rooted. 343 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:56.640 I think is what they said, be quieter, and I 344 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:58.960 know that this may be a weird, kind of a 345 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:01.920 weird statement, but that we're trying to protect Lucas and 346 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:05.599 Lucas's reputation as much as anyone by saying that there's 347 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:06.400 certain things we're not. 348 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:09.359 Going to talk about, so maybe we should have said more. 349 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:12.319 Maybe Okay, sorry, go back. This is a pattern you're 350 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:18.920 going to see here, is by not talking, they're protecting Lucas, 351 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:26.039 which is an insidious inference. I suppose it's a nice 352 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:28.279 way to say that because it's like, oh, I would 353 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:30.319 say things, man, but it would just it would really 354 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:35.599 damage Lucas's reputation. I would say something, but I just 355 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:39.519 got to protect Lucas. I would, you know, I would 356 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:42.000 try and defend myself, but if I defended myself, it 357 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:46.160 would make Lucas look really bad. It's like, well, by 358 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:50.359 not saying anything, you're kind of inferring that Lucas did 359 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:56.880 something like really bad, like a large breach of moral 360 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:00.680 duty or you know, I don't know, in bad or 361 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:04.559 some or you know, misappropriation of funds, or you're essentially 362 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:08.400 quietly accusing him of doing something egregious. Right by saying, oh, 363 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:10.720 I would defend myself, but if I did, it would 364 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:13.200 really take down Lucas, Like hmmm. 365 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:17.720 Believe that we're trying to protect Lucas and Lucas's reputation 366 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:20.759 as much as anyone by saying that there's certain things 367 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:23.440 we're not going to talk about. So maybe we should 368 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:25.720 have said more. Maybe we should have said less. 369 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:29.720 I think yes, say less, just continuously stop talking. 370 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:31.960 That we will be saying more in the future, just 371 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:35.359 as time goes by and people have questions about things, 372 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:41.039 and it's less I don't know, less raw perhaps, but 373 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:42.799 that's that would be the reason, the reason for that. 374 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:45.359 And then there's some legal stuff too. I mean, I 375 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:46.799 guess it's a little bit like what we talked about 376 00:21:46.799 --> 00:21:48.960 before with with Dugan. There's there's some legal stuff going 377 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:53.079 on that also just can't be talked about. So if 378 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:55.440 if people want to know more, I totally get it. 379 00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:59.559 But there are certain things that we can't talk about. 380 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:02.519 And then there's some some things that we we just 381 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:04.640 have chosen as a consciences issue not to talk about 382 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:05.200 as a family. 383 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:09.279 Yeah, so what do you what do you mean by 384 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:11.279 This is the part where I think they do a 385 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:13.559 really good job. They're like, oh yeah, Lucas or sorry. 386 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:15.119 Isaac is like, yeah, there's things that we just don't 387 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:18.799 want to talk about, and then Glock's like, oh, okay, cool, anyways, 388 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:21.039 let's get right back into it. Let's just keep talking 389 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:22.240 on this for the next hour. 390 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:27.759 Lucas's reputation when you say that, and then yeah on 391 00:22:27.799 --> 00:22:28.880 the on the second half. 392 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:31.720 Of that, Yeah, yeah, what do you mean by that, Isaac? 393 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:36.119 When you say that? And then yeah on the on 394 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:39.599 the second half of that, I think, yeah, you're You're right. 395 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:42.680 A lot of people do feel like people want to 396 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:44.839 know more. And I think it's because, you know, Lucas 397 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:51.000 and t Rex in general are very charismatic, likable, and 398 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:53.599 the cold following really and so it kind of feels 399 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:56.480 like it feels bad to see, you know, oh yeah, 400 00:22:57.160 --> 00:22:59.079 because of what I care about the people involved. 401 00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:02.559 I think people want to be able to trust where 402 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:06.240 they're buying their products from. And I think people believed 403 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:09.480 in the mission that t Rex has in openly states 404 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:13.480 that they have and with the public radio, yeah, for sure, 405 00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:15.680 the claims that are out there. I think the view 406 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:18.680 is that most people don't know whether or not they 407 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:22.119 can trust t Rex and the current position because the 408 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:27.400 claims are that the public ethos that t REX has 409 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:30.440 is not being upheld, and there's a lot of claims 410 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:32.599 that are in question that people just are unsure of 411 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:35.960 whether or not they believe t Rex or they believe Lucas. 412 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:37.559 I think people want to believe in the mission, but 413 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:40.839 they just don't know if they can trust Rex at 414 00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:41.160 the moment. 415 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:44.279 And that's part of what I meant by I guess 416 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:46.720 they all kind of all all these questions kind of 417 00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:49.559 congeal around an answer, which. 418 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:55.519 Is dude, the pained expression like putting his head down, 419 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:59.680 resting it, like fiddling with the viace. He's like, ah, 420 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:02.319 you know, I don't know there is an answer somewhere 421 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:05.359 in there, or he's trying to dance around it or 422 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.880 whatever it may be. But this brings him like physical 423 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:11.759 pain to watch this, which is like I will admit 424 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:15.119 that there is a bit of a watching a train 425 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.200 wreck that I do enjoy, especially when it's you know, 426 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.799 it's not super consequential. Really, it's like it's a bad 427 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:25.559 interview that somebody's giving, you know, it's not in the 428 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:28.319 grand scheme of things. Everything that's already Ben said has 429 00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:30.440 Ben said, and it's all going to come out one 430 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:33.440 way or the other. And Isaac gets himself into these 431 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:36.480 problems by talking. In fact, t Rex's Arms has continuously 432 00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:39.759 got themselves into these problems by talking when they should 433 00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:40.680 just stop doing it. 434 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.359 Lucas has slandered the company and made some false accusations. 435 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:49.519 See that is actually a really big claim. And now 436 00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:52.400 I went back today and gosh, I had to rewatch 437 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:56.079 all of this stuff over and over again. But there 438 00:24:56.119 --> 00:25:00.200 really isn't anything slanderous that Lucas said, and like you 439 00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:02.079 might be able to say, like there's some things that 440 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:06.920 he said were incorrect or framed differently, which honestly just 441 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:10.240 sounds like two different people having different recollections of the 442 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:12.960 exact same event. Because I was trying to find like 443 00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:18.759 all the contradictions between Lucas's statements between t rex Arm statements, 444 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:22.079 and there's obvious contradictions with the t rex Arm statements. 445 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:24.200 As we'll get into in this interview, and there's a 446 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:28.279 reason why I have this specific timestamp pulled up. But 447 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:32.279 for Lucas, it's like it's more minor, right, And I 448 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:36.000 would say he was actually relatively kind in his video, 449 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:41.680 and everybody's been relatively amicable, right, nobody's said anything too egregious. However, 450 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:45.599 I mean in their longer response, their twenty minute response 451 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.559 with everyone, they do make some a lot of actually 452 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:53.880 lack of professional claims about Lucas, Right. So if one 453 00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:56.799 person's side is making more claims about an individual than 454 00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:58.640 the other, I would say it is t rex Arms 455 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:03.079 has made more specific claims about Lucas than Lucas has 456 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:04.359 had about anyone else. 457 00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:11.799 And I'm sure that the internet would like to, I mean, 458 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:14.000 see us fight fire with fire, because that's good, that's 459 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:19.839 good drama, that's very interesting and entertaining. And I think 460 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:24.680 that we can actually because it is a family dispute 461 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:26.359 and that really is what it is at at the 462 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:29.240 heart of it, and because we really really want. 463 00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:33.359 To chatschavic Flex says they should get together for Thanksgiving 464 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:35.319 and live streaming. Yes, that's what we need. We need 465 00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:40.400 WWE style Botkin Thanksgiving dinner, Okay, I'll put it on. 466 00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:43.640 I'll be the mediator, the co host or like what 467 00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:46.920 are they called the broadcasters or the commentary team. Okay, 468 00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:49.440 that's like calling the fight live, Like that's what it'll be. 469 00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:50.559 That could be fun to. 470 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:54.519 Leave the door open for some kind of reconciliation with 471 00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:57.799 Lucas in the future. That is the main reason that 472 00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:00.640 we have not really engaged on a whole bunch of 473 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:02.599 those things and and just gone down the list and 474 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.799 answered all of them, and Lucas has behaved in a 475 00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:11.920 way that I think does really it could very easily 476 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:16.880 be a very loud, very high drama situation on the Internet, 477 00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.799 with both sides fighting, fighting back, and I don't think 478 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:23.440 that is the appropriate place to do that, just in public, 479 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:28.559 in public opinion. And again, our hope is for reconciliation 480 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.039 with Lucas and not just to like go scorched earth 481 00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:34.359 the way that internet, you know, YouTube channels are supposed 482 00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:37.319 to fight. But the other thing that I would say 483 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.599 is I think that because we have such a kind 484 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:44.559 of a negative culture, I would say, and because they're. 485 00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:48.839 I don't know about the negative culture thing, I think 486 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:53.880 that there's a culture that feeds off of drama and issues, sure, 487 00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:56.079 but I don't know. It's like it's kind of like 488 00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:58.880 you put yourself into a situation where everyone hates you, 489 00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:00.319 and then you're like, yeah, but that's that's just the 490 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.000 culture wants to hate and it seems to be like 491 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.640 skirting responsibility, you know. It's like, I don't know, think 492 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:10.240 about any time that I've called anyone out and then 493 00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:12.680 their audience comes and attacks me and it's like, oh, 494 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:14.519 and imagine me being like, oh, this is just such 495 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.440 a negative space. It's like, Nope, that's just a response 496 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:20.559 to my own actions. That's how that works. Like the 497 00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:24.799 fallout meme. Once again, everyone disliked that. Yeah you shot 498 00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:27.759 the puppy in the street and nobody liked that. Sorry, bro, 499 00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.160 now they're all attacking you and you just can't figure 500 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.759 it out. It's not because it's a negative environment. It's 501 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:33.799 because of your own actions. 502 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:33.960 Bro. 503 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:39.960 Lucas Baking and Chat says, it can be a family 504 00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:43.640 dispute after they've honored the shareholder agreement, which is essentially 505 00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:46.039 the core of everything we've all signed via the laws 506 00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:48.400 of Tennessee and our company. That is a point that 507 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:51.039 I do want to get to because Isaac kind of 508 00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:54.079 opfu skates in a section and he's like, oh, no, 509 00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:57.480 we have the shareholder agreement up on the website. They 510 00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:01.440 have the one from twenty fifteen, but not the updated 511 00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:05.319 one from twenty nineteen where Isaac came on board. So 512 00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:07.839 that's not actually true, and I do want to talk 513 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:08.680 about that one as well. 514 00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:11.400 There is such a negative attitude on the internet, even 515 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:13.480 inside of the gun or not the gun industry as 516 00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:16.799 much as the gun culture or the gun community on YouTube. 517 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.480 I would say, you probably can't build your trust on 518 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:21.759 anything that anybody says, and you should probably be very 519 00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:23.759 careful about throwing away trust. 520 00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:26.319 Is that a trustworthy statement? Though? Right? I hate I 521 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:30.279 hate when people do that. It's the no true justified belief. 522 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:32.720 It's like, is that a true justified belief? No, of 523 00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:34.519 course not. Thanks for saying nothing. 524 00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:36.599 Just because of what anybody says. You should really wait 525 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:39.680 and see what actions are. Are the actions of this 526 00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:43.200 company not just see right, but are the actions of 527 00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.119 a company actually lining up with what they say? Does 528 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:48.799 it actually still continue to be consistent with the mission 529 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:51.400 or what they've stated. Are they continuing to do the 530 00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:52.880 things that they've always done? Those are the things you 531 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:55.920 really need to look for because talk is very cheap, 532 00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.400 not just now, but talk is very cheap on the internet. 533 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:01.559 So I would say that's what customers should really be 534 00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:06.720 looking for with any company. But there's also something more, 535 00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:09.079 and this is one of the things that is the 536 00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:13.079 most painful about the thing. There's a very painful family schism. 537 00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:18.000 I see Jade and Chat as well. Hope you're doing well. No, again, 538 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:20.759 the same recommendations I would give to Isaac I would 539 00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:23.480 give to Lucas. People saying Lucas should come on Chat like, No, 540 00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.039 Lucas has way better things to do today, like he 541 00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.240 tweeted something earlier today like I'm sitting on the porch 542 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:33.039 with my wife eating chocolate. Infinitely more important than in 543 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.839 dealing in this right, because essentially, listen, if you're in 544 00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.880 a legal battle with someone and they keep saying stupid 545 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:42.519 things like don't like double the amount of stupidity, just 546 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:44.960 just let them do their thing, Just let them talk, right, 547 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.160 you know, never interrupt your enemy when he's making mistake. Now, 548 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:50.319 of course this is your family, so it's not quite 549 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:53.880 the same dynamic. But as soon as they can move 550 00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.279 past this business thing, right, you can actually get to 551 00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:59.759 the you know, the reconciliation part. 552 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:04.680 Obviously here, but the other one is that what's really 553 00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:10.079 heartbreaking is the t Rex didn't just have loyal customers. 554 00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:15.200 Cult following isn't, you know, maybe necessarily the most complimentary thing. 555 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:19.480 But t Rex had like not just loyal customers, and 556 00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:24.559 our YouTube channel didn't just have subscribers. There were a 557 00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.079 lot of people that loved t Rex and the mission 558 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:28.160 and being part of something that. 559 00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:31.759 So I am curious where does Isaac think that that 560 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.000 stemmed from? Because let's let's look at all the possible 561 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:40.680 avenues where this loyal YouTube fan based, loyal Instagram fan based, loyal, 562 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:43.440 you know, consumer fan base. Where did all the stuff 563 00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:50.880 come from? Was it David nor No? Was it David 564 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:59.799 Botkin No? Was it the CEO? No? Was it Brandon Wombat? 565 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.359 Like maybe a little bit. He definitely has some fans 566 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:09.240 for sure, like definitely has a following. Yes, was it Isaac? 567 00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:14.240 Like Isaac probably has the biggest sub following of everyone 568 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:16.680 in that endeavor. I would say it's like Lucas like 569 00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:20.680 way at the top, then Isaac somewhere down here, and 570 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:24.400 then Brandon and then like no one else, Right, So yeah, 571 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.680 I totally agree with you. You had a insanely loyal YouTube 572 00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:30.880 fan based Instagram following, you know, whatever else it might 573 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.920 have been consumer following, t rex Labs, all the other channels. Right, 574 00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.519 you were expanding, growing rapidly with a huge amount of 575 00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.160 people behind you, for sure. But where do you think 576 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:43.720 that that stemmed from. Right, Let's just do it before 577 00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:47.160 and after. Okay, Lucas is with the company, super loyal 578 00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:50.799 fan base. Lucas is not with the company, not such 579 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.480 a loyal fan base anymore. There's still some for sure. 580 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:56.119 There were lots of people. There is an anti Lucas 581 00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:58.920 like group of people, for sure. There's anti Lucas people 582 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:00.599 in the chat that are like, oh I love Isaac, 583 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:03.839 I hate Lucas. Like fine, fair enough, But you have 584 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.440 to understand that you are in the minority position, right. 585 00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:09.279 The numbers just are what they are. If you're a 586 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.400 pro Isaac anti Lucas, you just are in the minority. Right. 587 00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:13.680 That's just objective fact. 588 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:17.599 That was more than just a YouTube down and a 589 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:23.680 manufacturing company. And I know that this this schism, it 590 00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:26.039 hasn't just hurt our family, and it hasn't just hurt 591 00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:27.599 people in the company. I know that it's hurt a 592 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.519 lot of people on the internet, people who are are 593 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:34.400 part of who are who were seeing themselves as really 594 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:37.599 part of something and they were because t Rex has 595 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.960 always had, and more so in the past, good two 596 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:44.480 way communication with customers and email and feedback, and that's 597 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:47.680 been a big part of product development and policies inside 598 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:50.599 of the company on on different things. And the same 599 00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.559 with with the YouTube channel, where interacting with folks has 600 00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:56.920 really led us to make certain types of content for 601 00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:58.720 people because it's what they were needing or asking for. 602 00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:02.200 So it's it's been a very two way thing in 603 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:05.039 in in a lot of ways just a really really great, 604 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.799 wonderful thing. And so my my heart really goes out 605 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:09.960 to everybody that was part of that on either side 606 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:15.400 of the you know, on either side of them, you know, company, customer, viewer, producer, 607 00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:21.679 that that team of t Rex customers, fans, followers, and 608 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.840 people at t Rex I really do agree that was 609 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.239 something incredibly special and that was something that got really 610 00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:31.760 damaged and a lot of people really got you know, 611 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:33.039 got hit by shrapnel. 612 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:39.000 So is there any fear from the current ownership or 613 00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:43.079 any discussions behind the scenes that So you're saying that 614 00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:47.360 the public breakup between you guys, and the claims are 615 00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:49.880 out there, there's false claims, and you don't want to 616 00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.960 damage Lucas's reputation and you hope for reconciliation one day, 617 00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:57.840 but you also believe in this mission that t Rex 618 00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:01.000 is yes, and the looks at him at being so 619 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.800 one sided. Like I believe most people in the industry 620 00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.800 view t Rex the company and Lucas Bakin as being 621 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:10.079 synonymous with one another. 622 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.199 So I think thirty on the internet, I think that's 623 00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:18.239 true on the internet, where is it not true? 624 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:22.079 So he obviously like we can just look at the numbers, 625 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.760 which I planned to do later, but you can just 626 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:27.920 go over to any of these channels and like, let's 627 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.199 just select the videos on screen quartermill one hundred and 628 00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:34.480 twenty seventy two hundred sixty five, one hundred and fifty eight, 629 00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.920 two sixty one, right, And where's the t Rex Arms channel. 630 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:43.480 And let's say twenty ten ninety five not bad, thirty 631 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:47.719 sixty four, thirteen fifty forty one, forty six, fifty five, 632 00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:51.760 thirty two, forty four, sixty four, twenty four, twenty is 633 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.840 very good. Ninety six four to thirty three also a 634 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.840 good one, right, thirty one thirty two forty So your 635 00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.599 average normal video, your median videos maybe like forty K 636 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:04.599 for a channel with one point sixty five million subs, 637 00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:08.880 And Lucas by himself is looking at an average one 638 00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:13.639 point eight mil, four hundred thousand, one hundred K, maybe 639 00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:16.880 eighty K, right, I mean there's some really banger videos 640 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:18.840 in here one twenty three, two thirty six, three hundred 641 00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:22.119 and two sixteen, one seventy eighty four, one eighty four eleven, 642 00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:24.719 But that when there was up today, right, So yeah, 643 00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:26.639 I say probably one hundred, one hundred and twenty K 644 00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:31.199 average on Lucas and maybe forty K average medium on 645 00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:34.559 t rex Arms. So yeah, I get that the Internet 646 00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:38.199 isn't always real life, of course, but who is? Like 647 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:40.559 are you just talking about your business partners, like the 648 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:42.760 people that you buy stuff from, Like, of course, they're 649 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:44.599 still not going to have a negative view of you. 650 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:49.320 They want your money, It's like duh, right, Whereas the 651 00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:51.639 flip side of it is, instead of the people doing 652 00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:55.280 business with you in terms of like a mutual relationship, 653 00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:59.440 the consumer side is they're giving you money, right, they 654 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.360 want a pro from you. They want to believe in 655 00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:03.920 your mission statement if they believe in your mission statement, 656 00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:06.400 they're more likely to give you money. YadA, YadA, YadA, 657 00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:11.960 And that relationship has obviously been almost completely severed, right. 658 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:16.280 But not so much in the larger industry. But but 659 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:17.519 I'm sorry I kind of interrupted you. 660 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:19.239 Yeah, yeah, I mean we can get into that after this. 661 00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:23.039 But is there any fear that by not fighting those 662 00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:26.480 false claims that you'll put yourself in a situation where 663 00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:29.119 t Rex Arms and the employees and the family that 664 00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:34.760 you are outspokenly wanting to continue the mission for you're 665 00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:36.280 putting them in a bad spot by not. 666 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:39.519 Disputing the false clients that are out there. 667 00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:42.639 Yeah, that is great. That is a great question, and 668 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.440 the answer is yes, it's it's a very hard position 669 00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.800 to be in. I guarantee you that if we. 670 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:50.480 But can we just get some recognition that you're the 671 00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:53.400 one who put yourself in that position? Right? We could 672 00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:57.000 have We could have stayed this off for a long time. 673 00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:00.760 I think obviously one by not putting out first video. 674 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:03.480 If you had just not done that, I think that 675 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.000 we would have pushed this whole drama back, not indefinitely, 676 00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.840 but several months at least, Right, And then you could 677 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:13.400 have waited to counter whatever Lucas said first, rather than 678 00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:18.159 Lucas coming out afterwards and basically eating your lunch, right 679 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.679 in terms of the public display the public fighting, right, 680 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:28.280 or alternatively, you could also just settle this behind the 681 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.679 scenes and either pay to him what he's owed or 682 00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:35.400 you know, worked out some sort of payment plan. I 683 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:37.079 don't know how that stuff works. I'm sure that's a 684 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.360 lot of money. But yeah, now you're in a year 685 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:44.519 long legal battle and you're going to spend a million 686 00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:47.519 dollars on legal fees, like on one side, you know, 687 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:54.760 and you're losing thirty employees, fifty employees, seventy five employees. Like, 688 00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:59.480 eventually t Rex Arms will stabilize, but it's going to 689 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:03.280 be at a much smaller point in time. Right. I 690 00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:06.760 think Adaptive is moving into a new warehouse like today, right, 691 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:08.679 I think they just finished doing all that sort of stuff, 692 00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:14.199 and you're downsizing, Right, So who's winning who's losing? Well, 693 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.480 you know, how long can you hold out? Because I 694 00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:19.559 think it's kind of the meme that has been floating 695 00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:23.280 around since Lucas left is that eventually he might he 696 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.480 might just buy it back for like one tenth of 697 00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:30.639 what it was originally worth, Right, which would kind of 698 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.960 be hilarious in a way. And again in their stated goal, 699 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:39.280 why they did not want to acquiesce to Lucas's demands 700 00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:44.039 is because Lucas wanted to lay off like some proportion 701 00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:46.559 of the staff at t Rex Arms, right. I think 702 00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:50.679 in the video David Botkin mentions ten percent, which is 703 00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:54.000 actually considerably less than what you've currently laid off yourselves. 704 00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:55.920 So how's that working out for you? 705 00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.880 We had decided to unload everything on the internet, YouTube 706 00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:04.519 numbers would be much better. I'm sure that there would 707 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:08.719 be very good, very good click through rate on videos 708 00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:11.559 about that stuff. I mean you can see that right now. 709 00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:15.079 There's there's definitely channels where they're getting very good eyeballs 710 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.000 and very good attention by by talking about the drama. 711 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:18.960 It's kind of died down a little bit, but yeah, 712 00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:20.679 that would be a way where we could absolutely get 713 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:24.519 some attention and absolutely get some eyeballs by by doing that. 714 00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:29.000 But again, it's it is this this very difficult balance 715 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:32.440 where we are trying to. 716 00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:34.400 It. 717 00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:35.800 It sounds kind of silly as they were trying to 718 00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:37.320 be the bigger man, but we are. We are trying 719 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.760 to not fight private stuff in public and. 720 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:44.920 Again, but what what benefit does this even have anymore? Right, Like, 721 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:50.239 why because you can't save your employees? Is I think 722 00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.639 this is pride? I think that you know the family 723 00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.199 stuff and that drama is kind of secondary to me, 724 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:00.400 like the way that I'm reading the this is just 725 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:03.760 me being retired. Maybe, but it almost seems like pride. 726 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.000 You know, Lucas attempted to buy you out. You said no, 727 00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:11.280 Lucas wanted to be bought out. Essentially, you said no 728 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.400 that you guys didn't need him, and now the company 729 00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:21.239 is suffering heavily, and to back down now would be 730 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:26.360 to essentially tell Lucas that he was right. I mean, 731 00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:28.400 it does seem a little prideful to me. 732 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:38.920 Right, we are trying to It sounds kind of silly 733 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:40.079 as they were trying to be the bigger man, but 734 00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.639 we are trying to not fight private stuff in public, 735 00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.559 and we are trying to really honor our brother who 736 00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:51.119 is still our brother and his reputation by just not 737 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.920 addressing certain things. And that does put you in awkward 738 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:57.079 place when the gun industry is pretty slow right now 739 00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:02.800 and getting attention and trying to convince people that that 740 00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:05.760 basould buy from t Rex instead of any other company 741 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:10.280 is Yeah, it is. It is a very interesting trying 742 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:11.000 to thread that needle. 743 00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.679 I would say he's one hundred percent correct. There. So 744 00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:19.679 t Rex Arms, outside of a couple of products, like 745 00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:23.079 some of their nylon products, and like, I mean, they 746 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:27.239 just released the Titan holster, at least judging from the 747 00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.760 YouTube numbers like not great. Right, doesn't look too good 748 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:35.000 for him. They don't have a great value proposition in 749 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:38.199 the market, especially you know, combined with the Trump slump 750 00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:42.559 two point zero, they don't really do anything novel or interesting. Again, 751 00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.960 outside of a couple products, So how do I buy 752 00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:51.039 from you versus Primary Arms, which has a bigger selection 753 00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:54.280 and better prices generally, It's like, why would I do that? 754 00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:57.039 I don't know. I don't believe in your mission anymore. 755 00:42:57.079 --> 00:42:58.679 I don't believe you know, the guy who got me 756 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:00.639 into t Rex Arms is no longer under there. So 757 00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.840 what am I giving you money again for? Right? Which 758 00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:06.760 is always the question? Right, you have to ask yourself 759 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.280 that why would I buy my own product? Like? What 760 00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:14.159 value do I add? Right? Why would anyone care about this? 761 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:16.760 What does this actually do in the market? Right? 762 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:25.599 So where what was the catalyst for the breakoup? I'm 763 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:28.800 sure this started a long time ago. What was the 764 00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:32.039 exciting incident to this or was it just a bunch 765 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:34.400 of little things that added up into one big thing? 766 00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.719 I mean there, Yeah, there's a bunch of little things 767 00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:41.760 that you know have always existed, a lot of them 768 00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:43.519 pre day. T Rex probably two Rex is not the 769 00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.639 first business that our family has had together, and it's 770 00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:47.760 not the first time that people in the family have 771 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:49.679 all been working on one business but had different opinions 772 00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:50.639 about how to do stuff. 773 00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:56.400 But I would say so the Botkin lore goes way back, 774 00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:00.400 all right, you guys need to look up not just 775 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:04.000 the Dad's quiver ful stuff, but like the other foundations 776 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.039 that they've been a part of, some of the sisters, 777 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:11.119 some of their older work, some of their cosplay stuff, 778 00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:13.800 which is quite funny, not cosplay in like a degenerate way, 779 00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:16.400 but in just like a different things that they've done 780 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.800 at different times. Isaac has been on camera since he 781 00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:23.320 was a very young man, doing like Christian archaeology type 782 00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:26.960 stuff and lots of old videos that you can go 783 00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:30.480 back and find in sort of like a Christian homeschooling 784 00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:33.079 kind of genre where they do a bunch of different 785 00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:37.920 topics and whatnot. You can find baby Lucas on camera 786 00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:41.079 as well. Just quite funny, you know, with the whole 787 00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.000 family out there, and some of it is very wholesome, 788 00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.440 you know, some of them. It's not bad. I'm not 789 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:49.159 clowning on him for that. But what I'm saying is 790 00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:52.960 that the family and the father specifically have been involved 791 00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:57.000 in a lot over the years, a lot of stuff, 792 00:44:57.079 --> 00:45:00.480 and I'm sure that as we'll get into now, I 793 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.639 think the father has a lot of influence over the brothers. 794 00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.760 I think the father has a lot to do with 795 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:08.679 this whole thing. 796 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:15.199 Lucas basically cut off all almost all contact contact with 797 00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:18.280 his family in twenty twenty one ish, sometime in twenty 798 00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:21.960 twenty one, except for his brothers that we were working 799 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.320 at t REX with him. Obviously he was seeing us, 800 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.840 but essentially cut off all contact with everybody else. That 801 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.360 was really when things started to go downhill pretty quickly. 802 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:33.360 Does that mean an extended family or is that even 803 00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:35.119 inside of your immediate family? 804 00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:36.920 Yeah, yeah, other brothers and sisters. 805 00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:41.079 Now that is actually like probably the worst timing, right 806 00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:45.039 because I think let me consult their graph here. Okay, 807 00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:48.559 so twenty twenty one, where is it twenty twenty one 808 00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.440 Rising conflict. Yeah yeah, yeah, David, I I posting up 809 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.239 roles Lucas's wife. When did Lucas get married? So Lucas 810 00:45:56.280 --> 00:46:01.800 gets married November of twenty twenty early one is when 811 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:06.440 the conflict starts to arise, and he basically cuts everyone off, 812 00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:09.360 of course, outside of the people that he's actually working with. 813 00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:14.280 Mark Dole becomes the CEO around that time, or at 814 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:18.360 least on the leadership board. The ACUO drama, all that 815 00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:22.039 sort of stuff happens. That was very funny, and then 816 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:26.920 of course the relationship just degrades. Right. Essentially, the way 817 00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.079 it looks from the outside is that Lucas gets married, 818 00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:33.679 has an outside figure coming into the family, and the 819 00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:36.239 rest of the family is like, we don't like that 820 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:39.000 as much. And that's where basically all of the drama 821 00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:42.440 comes from. Now, as someone who has a large family myself, 822 00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:47.599 that being eight siblings and you know, all the brothers 823 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:51.239 and sisters, they got married, most of them, and you know, 824 00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:57.639 sometimes the choices people make in their lives are suboptimal, right, 825 00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:02.320 So I am very aware of family drama and aging 826 00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:05.360 parents and all sorts of other fun stuff that goes 827 00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:09.239 on in families. You add in a twenty million dollar 828 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:12.519 business to all of that, and suddenly things get quite spicy. 829 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.920 Suddenly things get scary. Okay, you know this is real stuff. 830 00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:19.079 You know, I'm not in business with any of my family, 831 00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.119 but you know, if there was, if I had to, damn, 832 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.920 you know, I'm sure there would be some conflict. Okay, 833 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:28.360 there's a lot of room here for problems. 834 00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.000 Yeah, didn't didn't come to Thanksgiving or Christmas, didn't do 835 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.800 anything with Mo or Dad. That kind of thing. That was. 836 00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:36.039 That was when you know, there's you could, you know, 837 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:37.559 kind of draw like a curve, but then at some 838 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:41.000 point the curve starts to get steeper. So it was 839 00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:43.480 it was probably that was really where it felt like 840 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:45.400 things were on a bad trajectory at that point. 841 00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.440 So then after that we get if we kind of 842 00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:51.400 go down the timeline here, you guys posted a timeline 843 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:52.960 once you guys made. 844 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.800 Your oh yes on the t rex channel on the TXTRA. 845 00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:00.000 Yeah, you posted the timeline in conjunction with your video. 846 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:06.239 So around twenty thirteen, Lucas arst Rex and David Batkan, 847 00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:08.679 your brother and David nor join and then in twenty 848 00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:12.840 fifteen twenty eighteen the original partnership agreement was signed, and 849 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.679 then you joined in the shareholder agreement to sign. What 850 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:20.159 were some of the conflicts or were there any interpersonal 851 00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:23.760 conflicts in that timeframe with say the shareholder agreements or 852 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:25.960 was everybody kind of already on board with everything? 853 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:26.639 And it was just. 854 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:30.760 Sorry, we'll get to this in just a second. I 855 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:34.800 see Kodiak in the chat saying who is and is 856 00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:38.639 not a Christian? Which is very ironic and something that 857 00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:41.639 you should probably not engage with. I don't know who 858 00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:43.800 gave you the authority to determine who is and does 859 00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:48.679 not Crazy work Codiac to call other people prideful while saying, 860 00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:51.440 for comments online, this person is not a Christian and 861 00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.960 therefore destined to hell. Wild work Codiac, thank you for 862 00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:58.840 your humility there, buds. 863 00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:01.280 Or is everybody kind of already on board with everything? 864 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:01.960 And it was just. 865 00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:08.360 Yeah, I don't There weren't really paperwork conflicts, Like most 866 00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:12.760 of the conflicts were around, yeah, just business other business 867 00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:14.440 stuff like policy stuff like how much we were going 868 00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:17.000 to spend on politics or you know, whether we were 869 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.000 going to keep certain features on a specific culture or 870 00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.880 you know, stuff like that. There weren't really these kind 871 00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:26.000 of these kind of contract disputes with the original Schederholders 872 00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:28.239 agreement until quite a bit later. 873 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.840 Okay, so I'm not sure if Isaac here is talking 874 00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:35.079 about the twenty fifteen or the twenty nineteen agreement. So 875 00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:37.480 Lucas says, as a note, my wife is the only 876 00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.280 one who had a job in career when I met her. 877 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:42.039 Was a chemical engineer in aerospace in Huntsville. Owned her 878 00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:44.639 own real estate when I met her. Just some fun 879 00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:49.400 background now going back here here it is okay, so 880 00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:53.440 this is the twenty fifteen t Rex Arms partnership agreement 881 00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:57.960 between the two David's David Botkin, David Nor and Lucas himself. 882 00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:01.280 So Lucas gets sixty percent of the profits until he 883 00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.639 reaches that fifty k. Once they get to that fifty k, 884 00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.000 then it's Lucas at thirty five, David at twenty five, 885 00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:09.440 David at twenty five, and then the other is split 886 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:13.280 between somebody else in here. I forget exactly how the 887 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.360 mouth works. But again, the one interesting part in here 888 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:19.760 is the little apostasy clause, which I don't know if 889 00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.000 I noticed this the first time. I didn't realize this, 890 00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:25.079 But they have an apostasy clause says if a partner 891 00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.159 is put out of his local church, he shall lose 892 00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:32.519 say in direction of the partnership, but retain rights to 893 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.519 work and a profits. Now this I don't know if 894 00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:40.440 that's enforceable. Is there an apostasy clause? Can you legally 895 00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:46.519 enforce apostasy in a legal agreement? Like? That's actually insane, right, 896 00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:50.320 I'm not crazy? And also the other thing, correct me 897 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:55.159 if I'm wrong, But weren't they all attending their father's church. 898 00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:58.440 So are they saying like if you leave your dad's church, 899 00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:04.280 you get kicked out to the leadership team? Is that right? 900 00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:09.159 Maybe I'm maybe I'm misremembering if they were all going 901 00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:13.519 to the same church or not. But that seems crazy, right, 902 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:17.320 That's almost like it's almost like a theocracy in a way. 903 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:19.559 You know, if the pastor at your local church kicks 904 00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:22.440 you out, it's like he has the final say on 905 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:27.400 uh on who has a directorship of t rex Arms, 906 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:31.000 Which is crazy, Lucas says, don't get me started, Okay, 907 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:32.920 fair enough, fair enough. 908 00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:35.920 Yeah, because I know Lucas claimed in his video, he 909 00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:38.079 said that there was no lawyer present at the shareholder 910 00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.960 agreement for him to talk to when that was going down. 911 00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:44.639 Uh so, and then I think it was Brandon one, 912 00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:44.880 but it. 913 00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:46.360 Was there was definitely a lawyer there. 914 00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:47.920 There was a lad there, So would that be one 915 00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:52.719 of the claims that, yeah, and I think that's so. 916 00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.679 I think one of the claims that this is again 917 00:51:55.760 --> 00:52:00.280 like a disagreement in like what actually happened. So I 918 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:03.360 believe what Isaac is saying is that there was a 919 00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:09.480 lawyer present, but it wasn't representing any of them, like specifically. 920 00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:12.079 It was basically just to make sure that the agreement 921 00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:16.000 was legally binding, right, So the lawyer wasn't specifically looking 922 00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:20.320 out for Isaac, David, David or Lucas, right, it was 923 00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:24.000 just looking out for like, is this actually legally binding? Basically? 924 00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:28.079 So Lucas in that way did not have his own 925 00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:31.639 legal representation, which he probably should have of course, you know, 926 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:33.559 but you're not always thinking that, oh, this is going 927 00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:35.679 to turn into a fight over a twenty million dollar 928 00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:37.800 company five years from now whatever it might be, right, 929 00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.480 but yeah, you should probably have your own legal representative 930 00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:43.599 that's looking out for your own advice. Okay. I know 931 00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:46.440 we all hate lawyers. I know lawyers suck, But if 932 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:48.239 you're going to get into business with family and you 933 00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:50.000 think there's going to be a lot of money involved, Like, 934 00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:52.360 just spend the whatever it happens to be. Just spend 935 00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:52.760 the money. 936 00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:56.840 Okay, you know that's that's probably a good one to correct. 937 00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:58.880 It's a kind of a lower octane win. Sure. 938 00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:00.519 Yeah. 939 00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.280 And it was just one lawyer, correct, Just one lawyer, Yeah, yeah, 940 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.480 just going over to the document writing help writing that agreement. 941 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:09.639 Okay, And so he just cared about the agreement. That's 942 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:10.719 it with the individual. 943 00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:12.119 We're dealing with that at the time. 944 00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:13.639 No, no, I know. 945 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:15.480 I mean some people have said, oh, you should never 946 00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:16.960 do that. Everybody you should have a lawyer, how much 947 00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:18.880 ano their own lawyer. But when a company is selling 948 00:53:18.920 --> 00:53:20.840 three holsters a day on average, you should not hire 949 00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:24.360 three lawyers. I'm not a lawyer, but I can tell 950 00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:26.000 you if that's your business. 951 00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:29.519 Okay. Two sides to this though, right, Yeah, three holsters 952 00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:33.320 a day not much money. But at the same time 953 00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:36.599 we're selling, you know or sorry, writing and agreeing to 954 00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:40.400 legal terms between the family four three holsters a day. 955 00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:43.840 So on the one hand, it's like, oh, it's not 956 00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:46.559 a big deal. But on the other hand, no, we're signing. 957 00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:51.159 We're signing binding legal terms, right, So it's a little 958 00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:53.039 bit of double speak. It's like, on one hand, not 959 00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:54.480 that big of a deal. On the other hand, these 960 00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:56.119 are legally binding. By the way, I have twenty five 961 00:53:56.119 --> 00:54:00.840 percent of your company now, right, and. 962 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:03.119 Your business is selling three holes series a day. Do 963 00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:05.559 not hire three layers, you know, have a lot of 964 00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.760 look at your paperwork. But some of the some of 965 00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:09.639 the things that people have said, in hindsight, we should 966 00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:12.800 have done or I think not at actually picturing the 967 00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.480 situation or the size of the company. 968 00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:16.440 Sure, yeah. 969 00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:19.280 And another big discrepancy that people point out to. One 970 00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:21.079 of the bigger things is that you know, Lucas being 971 00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:23.960 the founder of t Rex, Like you guys don't dispute 972 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:24.960 that he started t Rex. 973 00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:29.760 Oh no, not at all. The hebe store, Instagram channel 974 00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:32.280 and first first iteration, bro. 975 00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:35.159 The chat is wild tonight. They're like, Lucas Bodkin does 976 00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:38.440 not believe in the Trinity. Lucas Botkin does not believe 977 00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:41.480 that the Nicean creed. All right, all right, I'll ask 978 00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:43.639 him what his thoughts are on Niceea too. That's the 979 00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:47.159 more important one, okay. That's the delineation between East and West. 980 00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:48.519 Here's the website. 981 00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:50.800 Yeah, and I think that's one of the things that 982 00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:53.400 people like to talk about. You know, Lucas says that 983 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:55.880 he when he started the company, he was doing one 984 00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:57.599 hundred percent of the work for a time period, he 985 00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:02.639 was hiring people, and then David and David got involved 986 00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:06.320 and they wanted to be owners and that first initial 987 00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:09.559 paperwork that was being signed and being agreed to, that 988 00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:13.239 was kind of Lucas losing control over the company that 989 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:16.840 he started. And the view is from people online online 990 00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:20.239 sentiment is that a young Lucas was being taken advantage 991 00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:25.000 of and lost all control to his company. Like essentially 992 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.440 current ownership just took it over and took advantage of him. 993 00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:32.039 Well again, I just I don't think they're picturing it adequately. 994 00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:36.000 Like anytime there is a partnership, there's a partnership agreement 995 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.119 that describes who owns what, who's bringing what to the 996 00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:42.400 table in exchange for ownership. So, yeah, that was that 997 00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:45.719 was something that happened when sales were around three holders 998 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:47.639 a day. They were getting made in mom and Dad's 999 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:50.039 garage on some of our. 1000 00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:53.239 This is careful, okay, because I've dealt with something very 1001 00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:57.599 similar to this all right. So whenever you're dealing with 1002 00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:03.119 family or friends or anything like that, you think that 1003 00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:08.320 you're borrowing or they're giving use in good faith. And 1004 00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:10.960 what I mean by that is if I go over 1005 00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:12.440 to my buddy's house and I'm like, hey, do you 1006 00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:14.159 mind if I use your shop for this and that? 1007 00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:17.199 And then like you know, I'll just ye, I need 1008 00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:18.639 it for a time. Do you mind if I do? 1009 00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:21.440 They're like, oh, yeah, sure, do whatever you want. Go ahead, 1010 00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:23.719 that's fine and dandy, All well and good. You don't 1011 00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:26.000 owe me anything, Just go do your thing. And then 1012 00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:28.800 it's like later on that guy starts making ten k 1013 00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:32.000 a month or ten k a week doing whatever it 1014 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:35.000 happens to be in that place, and then suddenly what 1015 00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:38.920 was chill and cool is now actually you retroactively owe me. 1016 00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:43.400 It's like, well, I mean no, that's not how that works. 1017 00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:45.039 It's like your it's like, what's the opposite of an 1018 00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:47.360 Indian giver or I guess that would technically be an 1019 00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:49.920 Indian giver? Right, It's like you have allowed somebody to 1020 00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:53.480 use something for a time, you know, because it's not 1021 00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.280 doing anything, and then as soon as like they get successful, 1022 00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:59.400 it's like okay, now retroactively, you you owe me. Okay, 1023 00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:02.559 you wouldn't do this without me. I got in on 1024 00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:04.679 the ground floor. Okay, this is about me. 1025 00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:09.719 Now our tools, Lucas was shooting competitions with David. David's guns, 1026 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:10.760 his sister's. 1027 00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:12.559 Sorry, go back here, because this is This is basically 1028 00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:15.119 him saying that no, this was always a family company 1029 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:19.599 because the family allowed Lucas to borrow things. Therefore, the 1030 00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:26.719 family is owed Lucas's success basically, and again, be very 1031 00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:29.840 careful when dealing with friends or family. If you ever 1032 00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:33.199 become successful and at any point in time have ever 1033 00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:38.519 borrowed anything from them, you know the bill is going 1034 00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:41.599 to come. Do all right, so just be careful, be 1035 00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:44.559 cognizant that this is very likely to happen. And when 1036 00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:47.559 I heard this, I was like, yep, I know the 1037 00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:49.559 feeling been there myself. 1038 00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.920 Well in exchange for ownership. So so yeah, that was 1039 00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:56.639 That was something that happened. When sales were around three 1040 00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:58.920 Holser's day. They were getting made in mom and Dad's 1041 00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:02.639 garage on some of our tools. Lucas was shooting competitions 1042 00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:05.519 with David's guns. His sisters were buying an Ammo. Most 1043 00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:07.960 of us were still living at home, Like everybody is 1044 00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:11.400 pitching in on this thing, and in order for everybody 1045 00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:13.760 to keep working on this thing some if it's going 1046 00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:15.440 to become a partnership, then there's going to be some 1047 00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:17.599 division of ownership and there's going to be some division 1048 00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:20.280 of responsibilities. So if you want to have a partnership, 1049 00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.000 that's just that's going to be the math that you're 1050 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:23.159 going to have to do. And if you don't want 1051 00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:25.199 a partnership, then you can try to do it some 1052 00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:28.599 other way. So, yeah, that was the That was the 1053 00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:31.559 partnership agreement between the three original partners that everybody agreed 1054 00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:32.119 to at the time. 1055 00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:35.760 So moving on down the line. Then twenty nineteen. 1056 00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:39.360 Sorry, people are asking for a poll. I'm confused. I 1057 00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:43.119 must have missed it. What poll are people asking about? 1058 00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:47.920 I'm very confused. My apologies. I know that people are 1059 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:52.039 obviously really opinionated. Here we have Isaac sort of the 1060 00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:56.199 older brother who came in, you know what, six years 1061 00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:58.880 after the whole thing started, and he kind of is 1062 00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:01.719 the face of the company now for lack of a 1063 00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:05.159 better term. I don't really think Brandon is because he's 1064 00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:07.519 not on the leadership team. But it is kind of 1065 00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:10.679 unfortunate in a way because Isaac really didn't have anything 1066 00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:13.280 to do with t Rex Arms in a major way. 1067 00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:17.960 Hope you pre twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, right poll was 1068 00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:20.800 to show Toes Lucas or Jake. I'm not I'm not 1069 00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:23.599 putting that poll up there, bro, he shut up. 1070 00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:29.000 Diorx gets involved in politics? Was there any contention with 1071 00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:32.159 getting into politics between anybody there? 1072 00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:33.480 Like? 1073 00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:36.119 Was that was that like a hot well, like, oh, 1074 00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:38.400 just didn't want to get into politics and I caused them? 1075 00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:39.800 Well, I think that's what you guys said in your 1076 00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:41.119 in your video when you really said that. 1077 00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:44.199 One of the one of the disagreements for sure. 1078 00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:47.000 Yeah, So where did what were those things? Can you 1079 00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:49.519 talk about what they were specifically? Because like outwardly from 1080 00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:53.159 outside looking in, I mean, Lucas is an openly Christian person. 1081 00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:56.440 He's very openly talks about his politics in the way 1082 00:59:56.440 --> 01:00:00.960 that he views things, and from the perspective as well, 1083 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:01.840 it looks like. 1084 01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:04.320 T Rex is aligned on those things. 1085 01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:08.960 So what are the specifics behind that initial separation of 1086 01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:12.320 direction of the company, specifically when it refers to politics 1087 01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:14.599 and like voluntary Lunchhine prayer. 1088 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:18.599 I'm trying to remember I mean, I can't remember the 1089 01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:23.199 exact specific arguments, but basically lobbying versus not lobbying, Like, 1090 01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:26.440 is our politics going to be our political engagement? Is 1091 01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:29.159 it going to be is it going to be spending 1092 01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:30.800 actual money to put a lobbyist on the hill or 1093 01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:34.000 is it just going to be other other types of activities? 1094 01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:37.639 Are we actually going to be be fully engaged on stuff? 1095 01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:39.440 But I can't remember the exact specifics of other like 1096 01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:41.559 alternatives or things, because we discussed a ton of different things. 1097 01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:43.239 We spent a lot of time just trying to figure 1098 01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:45.880 out where we could be most effective and whether we 1099 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:48.039 should be nationally focused or whether we should be locally focused. 1100 01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:49.440 Like there were there were many conversations about this, so 1101 01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:53.400 I can't remember all of the specifics where we differed, 1102 01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:55.400 but it was a lot of different I. 1103 01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:58.239 Think Isaac might have his eyes closed for like fifty 1104 01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:02.559 percent of this stream and totality right, just painfully trying 1105 01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:05.159 to drudge up memories of what it was. What did 1106 01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:08.039 we say here and there? What were the disagreements about, 1107 01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:11.719 Like I get it, it's a lot, bro, it's a lot, bro, 1108 01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:13.679 But you didn't have to be here. I could feel 1109 01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:15.760 bad for you, but you put yourself here. Also, I'm 1110 01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:19.199 continuing to drop the link to the Culture Warfare podcast 1111 01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:21.519 where you need to subscribe, otherwise I will find you 1112 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:24.039 and make sure your toes are terrible. Okay, I'm going 1113 01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:24.880 to ruin your toes. 1114 01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:28.800 Different things where there was where there were differences. 1115 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:34.440 So I guess I'm trying to, you know, wrap my 1116 01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:35.239 mind around, like. 1117 01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:40.760 Especially like the voluntary prayer thing, like why why did 1118 01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:41.840 that become an issue? 1119 01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:44.320 Like what happened there? 1120 01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:46.880 This is another one that I don't really want to 1121 01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:48.360 talk about. I think this is. 1122 01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:52.119 Ah I get any any question that might be construed 1123 01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:56.199 as like difficult or tough. It is that the pain, 1124 01:01:56.599 --> 01:01:58.800 the horror, like it hurts me in my chest to 1125 01:01:58.840 --> 01:02:04.400 talk about this. Yeah, voluntary prayer at a company is 1126 01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:06.840 not a bad thing, right, You're a Christian company, you 1127 01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:11.280 have public you know Christian values, it's in your mission statement. 1128 01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:13.760 Everybody's publicly a Christian. I don't think that that's a 1129 01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:19.559 bad thing in any way, shape or form. But in 1130 01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:23.079 a way there can be like a weird pious thing, right, 1131 01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:25.800 which I kind of I very much so dislike where 1132 01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:28.280 it's like, oh hey buddy, I didn't see you at 1133 01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:30.960 the prayer meeting yesterday. How are you doing, Bud? And 1134 01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:34.119 it's like it puts everybody in this really weird, awkward 1135 01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:37.679 situation where they have to appease like the piety signaling 1136 01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:42.039 of some of the management team. Perhaps, right, if you're 1137 01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:45.320 not being pious enough, if you're not being active enough 1138 01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:45.880 with the team. 1139 01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:51.840 Right ooh, a personal one. But I really don't know 1140 01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:53.880 why it was such a big issue for Lucas that 1141 01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:58.599 that was that was a point of contention. I still 1142 01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:03.039 don't understand that one were actually explained that very well. 1143 01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:04.960 Was he in favor opposed to it? 1144 01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:09.159 Uh? He was opposed to how we were doing voluntary 1145 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:13.199 how we were doing voluntary prayer during different huddles, okay, 1146 01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:16.000 but other things, yeah? 1147 01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:16.280 Right? 1148 01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:18.039 Was it just like a team meeting, You guys get 1149 01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:20.719 together and you know, just say a quick prayer before 1150 01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:22.639 starting the workday or that kind of. 1151 01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:26.840 Thing noontime before life breaks generally for a. 1152 01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:30.519 Heart Well, Josie Wales, I think you're I think you're mischaracterizing, 1153 01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:32.760 He says. Lucas lost me when I heard about the 1154 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.000 party he threw to humiliate the guy. No, I don't 1155 01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:41.679 think that's accurate. I think that's a little bit uncharitable. 1156 01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:48.320 I believe the claim is that Lucas at a party 1157 01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:53.199 talked about the employee who sent pornographic images to his wife. 1158 01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:56.199 And again I might be wrong about the timeline because 1159 01:03:56.199 --> 01:03:58.559 that is quite fuzzy. I believe this was before the 1160 01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:01.159 guy was fired from TM, so he was still on 1161 01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:06.039 probation right, because he wasn't fired officially or left officially 1162 01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:10.079 until after Lucas left on again May twenty eight of 1163 01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:13.280 twenty twenty five. So my timing might be off. And 1164 01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:16.119 I realize I'm closing my eyes like Isaac Botkin is. 1165 01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:17.519 Maybe I should just do the rest of the stream 1166 01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:19.400 with my eyes closed. Actually that could be really funny. 1167 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:21.960 But yeah, my timing might be off. 1168 01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:25.039 There, huddle. But there's also just a lot of people 1169 01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:28.679 that pray before meetings. That's another just part of company culture. 1170 01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:32.639 I like, get that, okay, So then we can move 1171 01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:36.079 on from twenty nineteen twenty twenty. Now, obviously COVID hits 1172 01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:38.880 and the gun industry goes crazy. You guys expand and 1173 01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:42.280 do huge numbers. I'm sure that was a fantastic year 1174 01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:44.000 for pretty much everybody in the gun industry. 1175 01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:46.719 It was probably our hardest year. I mean, it was 1176 01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:49.400 fantastic sales, but yes, I would say it was probably 1177 01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:55.840 our hardest year, just because growing a company is very stressful. 1178 01:04:56.679 --> 01:05:00.440 We hired and trained ridiculously fast, and there was also 1179 01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:03.480 a political stuff going on too. We at one point 1180 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:07.159 we were gearing up to fight with the governor over lockdowns, 1181 01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:11.519 but then we got we got included into essential services, 1182 01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:14.440 so we were gonna stay open in spite of lockdowns. 1183 01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:17.679 We were preparing legal stuff against that, but then then 1184 01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:19.360 we became essential and so. 1185 01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:22.639 Stuff like that, Like Isaac is good at Isaac is 1186 01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:25.199 good at the political stuff. He's good at the tech stuff. 1187 01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:30.599 He's good at obviously, like the what's the whole manufacturing 1188 01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:33.159 process that he was brought on to streamline and he 1189 01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:35.519 did effectively do that. So I don't I think Isaac 1190 01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:37.880 has a lot of strong suits. Right. There's a lot 1191 01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:43.079 of positive things you can say about Isaac, right, not 1192 01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:47.480 really the problem of him coming on and like publicly 1193 01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:51.440 trying to defend the company from the accusations while at 1194 01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:53.559 the same time trying to say as little as possible. 1195 01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:56.400 Not good at that, not good at that. And again 1196 01:05:56.440 --> 01:06:01.159 the advice still stands, lucas you gotta stop doing that. Uh, 1197 01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:04.159 Lucas uh says, I held a going away party and 1198 01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:07.880 explained to a smaller group of people of employees around 1199 01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:10.119 twenty why I had to leave the company. I did 1200 01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:13.559 not give the employee's name to the group. Okay, so 1201 01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:16.159 that's what Lucas says on the matter. Yeah, because I don't. 1202 01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:18.599 I don't remember it being framed like the other guy said. 1203 01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:22.039 But again, this is the Internet, Okay. People just lie. 1204 01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:24.639 People just say whatever they want. Bros. 1205 01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:28.000 Oh we're open. So yeah, it was a crazy year. 1206 01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:29.079 Everything was happening that year. 1207 01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:29.800 Yeah. 1208 01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:32.400 So bro, you guys are still you guys are super 1209 01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:37.239 chatting so many theological religious questions for a guy who's 1210 01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:41.239 not on the panel, like I. If you guys want 1211 01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:44.559 to interrogate Lucas's theological positions, you guys should go over 1212 01:06:44.599 --> 01:06:46.639 to like one of his Twitch streams or something and like, 1213 01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:49.760 you know, send him money to answer those questions. Stop 1214 01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:52.440 stop setting it to me, dude, I can't I okay, 1215 01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:56.239 it's saying like Isaac shouldn't speak for t Rex arms 1216 01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:58.880 or the whole situation. I'm not gonna give like Lucas's 1217 01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:01.760 theological position. What I could just make stuff up. It 1218 01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:04.760 could be really funny. I could be like, actually, he's 1219 01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:09.360 a Assyrian Church of the East. Yep. He got baptized 1220 01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:11.960 into the Assyrian Church of the East in twenty twenty two, 1221 01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:14.800 so technically he's not in communion with the Greater Easter 1222 01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:18.760 Orthodox and he's a Monophysite heretic. Yeah, so that's what 1223 01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:19.199 I would say. 1224 01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:23.159 With Lucas's positions, things were super busy obviously for you guys. 1225 01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:26.079 Was there any would you say that kind of added 1226 01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:28.159 to stress or tension between you guys just having so 1227 01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:28.840 much going on. 1228 01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:32.599 Lucas also adds that Brandon showed up late to that 1229 01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:35.360 party and missed everything I said to the group. So 1230 01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:37.880 if that is true, that means that Brandon heard it 1231 01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:39.559 from a guy who heard it from a guy. And 1232 01:07:39.679 --> 01:07:41.960 you have a game of telephone, and that's the problem, right, 1233 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:43.960 you have a lot of games of telephone going on. 1234 01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:47.760 So like, what did David say to Lucas talking about 1235 01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:51.159 the prenup? What did Isaac and everybody have to deal 1236 01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:53.159 with with the post nup? Which we'll get to eventually, 1237 01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:56.119 I promise you we will get there eventually. Right, it's 1238 01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:59.719 like games of telephone or relying on people's memory, which 1239 01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:03.320 is not a great, not a great, not a very 1240 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:05.639 reliable way to get to the truth of a matter, right, 1241 01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:08.519 because my memory is not perfect, and I'm sure your 1242 01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:10.559 memory is not perfect. And if you had to remember 1243 01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:13.599 a conversation you had two years ago where you came 1244 01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:15.519 away with a different feeling than the other guy did, like, 1245 01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:19.600 it's just it's rough, okay, especially when family and money 1246 01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:21.600 gets involved, or can. 1247 01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:23.560 You give any examples of anything like that? 1248 01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:23.720 Oh? 1249 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:30.640 Also, sorry, too many choices. Every time the PFI pop 1250 01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:35.159 up hits the screen, he complains about his epilepsy. So 1251 01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:37.640 if you guys could keep doing the COFIs instead of 1252 01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:40.000 the YouTube so that we could hopefully put him into 1253 01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:41.399 a stroke, that'd be fantastic. 1254 01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:45.800 I mean hiring people rapidly, training onboarding and training people rapidly, 1255 01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:50.720 trying to keep up with demand, but then also knowing 1256 01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:54.399 what to do with with COVID, we were seeing, Oh man, 1257 01:08:55.319 --> 01:08:58.880 it's probably easier. List what wasn't stressful in twenty twenty 1258 01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:01.199 because it was everything We had products that we couldn't 1259 01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:04.479 sell because of supply chain issues where we couldn't get 1260 01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:06.600 the stuff, and it was stuff you might not even expect, 1261 01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:10.279 like our ready rigs and play carriers have a four 1262 01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:14.000 inch Elasti cumber bund, and the American Elasta company stopped 1263 01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:15.720 making that because all they were making was the ear 1264 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:18.479 loops for the masks. Like it was wild stuff we 1265 01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:18.920 were getting. 1266 01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:25.359 Yeah, I often block out large swaths of COVID, right, 1267 01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:28.600 especially considering I lived in Washington State at the time, 1268 01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:31.359 and you know, it is one of those things where 1269 01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:34.640 they're doing like patrols and curfews and stuff like that, 1270 01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:39.520 and to be like the only person walking around without 1271 01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:44.199 a mask, the only person like at work not following 1272 01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:49.279 any of the mandates or whatnot, Like it is weird 1273 01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:51.880 because you almost feel like a sense of superiority over 1274 01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:55.640 everyone else, right, which of course you shouldn't have that feeling. 1275 01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:58.560 But like when you're at like a grocery store and 1276 01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:01.119 the cashier can like not look you in the eye 1277 01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:03.439 because they're too terrified of the fact that you don't 1278 01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:06.199 have a mask on, right, and they're just like looking 1279 01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:10.479 away and like can't can't even be in your direction, 1280 01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:12.520 and they're like wilting away from you. It was the 1281 01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:16.279 funniest time ever, funniest time ever for me. Obviously, I 1282 01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:18.359 wasn't in a manufacturer or I was into manufacturing, but 1283 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:20.600 I was doing steel plates and then I just stopped 1284 01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:21.720 doing that when the price triple. 1285 01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:24.960 Every every part of the company was stressful and everything 1286 01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:27.920 was happening at a higher level with more people. So yeah, 1287 01:10:27.920 --> 01:10:32.479 it was definitely, uh helpless a year, a pretty memorable year, 1288 01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:34.039 and we had just moved into the shop. We had 1289 01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:37.119 just moved out of the garage in twenty nineteen, so 1290 01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:42.560 we were just you know, moving in and building out 1291 01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:43.680 parts of the shops during that too. 1292 01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:47.199 Sure, And that's that's right around the same time when 1293 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:50.199 Lucas was getting married at that point, and that's where 1294 01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:53.479 another point of contention that you guys had in between 1295 01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:58.439 your videos so specifically, one of the things that people 1296 01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:03.640 are questioning is Lucas claimed that he was told that 1297 01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:05.439 his wife needs to have a prenup when they were 1298 01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:08.880 about to get married, and then t Rex's video that 1299 01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:13.720 came out afterwards made it seem like that was Lucas's 1300 01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:17.159 idea or he came I believe specifically the quote was 1301 01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:19.319 he came to that conclusion that he needed to have 1302 01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:21.039 her sign a prenup. 1303 01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:25.800 So this is the one big area of difference between 1304 01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:30.119 what Lucas has said and what t rex Arms has said. 1305 01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:32.840 So if you go to Lucas's response here, which we 1306 01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:34.880 might as well play a little bit of this, he 1307 01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:39.680 says that I was pressured into getting a prenup when 1308 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:43.079 his brother's wives didn't. Obviously, you know, a little bit 1309 01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:45.239 of a delineation there between the two, almost like he's 1310 01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:49.159 getting treated like a little brother. And versus the t 1311 01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:55.279 rex Arms response. They say that Lucas already wanted a 1312 01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:58.079 prenup and he came to David saying, I want a 1313 01:11:58.079 --> 01:12:01.159 prenup and this is causing problems between me and my wife. 1314 01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:06.079 Now again, there is a way to actually harmonize both 1315 01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:10.680 of these statements, right, and to say like perhaps in 1316 01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:15.039 a conversation between Lucas and David, the topic of a 1317 01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:19.199 prenup was brought up, whether by David or Lucas, and 1318 01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:23.199 David felt that Lucas was already wanting to get a 1319 01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:26.840 prenup and that was his takeaway, and perhaps Lucas was 1320 01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:29.960 thinking like, oh, well, I don't really want a prenup, 1321 01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:32.600 but David seems to be pushing that way, like maybe 1322 01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:34.399 he thinks that's a good idea. Right, So there is 1323 01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:37.800 a way to actually harmonize both of these accounts where 1324 01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:41.960 neither are actually lying, but their interpretation of events is 1325 01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:45.319 just different. And actually, let's just play this little clip 1326 01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:46.439 here from lucas. 1327 01:12:46.680 --> 01:12:50.319 The three men and myself and my wife. Was right 1328 01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:52.479 before we got married, I was getting a lot of 1329 01:12:52.479 --> 01:12:56.800 pressure to sign a prenup. And the reasoning was, good, 1330 01:12:58.119 --> 01:12:59.920 you're going to marry this girl, and if you get 1331 01:12:59.920 --> 01:13:02.680 a divorce, we may have to share equity now with 1332 01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:04.960 this woman that we didn't originally sign up to run. 1333 01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:07.239 The business with. Very reasonable. 1334 01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:10.600 So Karen and I talked about it and she said, yeah, 1335 01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:13.920 I'm willing to sign a prenup, but they do. 1336 01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.720 They have post nups, right, and so this is going 1337 01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:19.399 to be a big area of controversy between the two. 1338 01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:22.119 Let me see if I can find this statement from 1339 01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:25.159 I think it's David who said it. I should be 1340 01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:28.279 able to find it. Let's just control of for pre here. 1341 01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:29.920 Uh huh. 1342 01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:33.800 Praved presses presenting represent represent prenup. Here we go. 1343 01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:40.520 And one of the most sensitive areas of disagreement surrounds 1344 01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:48.479 the prenup situation. When Luke was moving in the direction of, 1345 01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:51.399 you know, marriage with Kara, he recognized that he should 1346 01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:52.079 have a prenup. 1347 01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:56.680 Right, So David he recognized that he needed a prenup, 1348 01:13:57.319 --> 01:14:01.520 Lucas David wanted me to get a prenup. Again, it 1349 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:06.079 is possible to actually harmonize those two statements and just 1350 01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:11.000 be a difference of interpretation of events, right, Because I mean, listen, 1351 01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:14.279 I don't think it's actually a bad thing or a 1352 01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:18.880 older brother to recommend something to the younger brother. That's 1353 01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:22.439 kind of like their job in life. Right. So for instance, 1354 01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:24.880 if you do have a company making millions of dollars, 1355 01:14:24.880 --> 01:14:27.039 then you have a woman who wants to marry into it, 1356 01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:30.560 it's not a bad thing to talk to him about. 1357 01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:33.079 Like I want to protect you, I want to make 1358 01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:36.640 sure you're doing well, and maybe a prenup is actually 1359 01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:38.520 a good thing in this case, right, I don't think 1360 01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:41.640 that that's necessarily like out of the realm of what 1361 01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:46.159 an older brother should be doing. Right. But again, it's 1362 01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:50.000 who initiated it, who was forceful in it, who was 1363 01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:52.920 pushing who essentially right, guys. 1364 01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:57.520 And this was proving to be a challenging area of 1365 01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:00.880 discussion between Luke and Kara, and I had an idea 1366 01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:01.640 that if. 1367 01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:04.680 We be and again this whole thing is like, yeah, 1368 01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:06.640 Lucas said a lot of bad things about us, and 1369 01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:10.039 I'm like, I feel like you should take a little 1370 01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:13.840 bit of responsibility because you've also framed Lucas in a 1371 01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:16.319 really bad way as well, Like you're saying, like, oh, 1372 01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:18.399 Lucas and Kara were fighting all the time, and this 1373 01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:20.319 was a really big problem between the two of them 1374 01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:23.960 when it came to a prenup, when according to Lucas, 1375 01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:25.439 you were the guys pushing it on him in the 1376 01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:26.039 first place. 1377 01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:30.760 When Luke was moving in the direction of marriage with Kara, 1378 01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:34.840 he recognized that he should have a prenup and this 1379 01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:38.199 was proving to be a challenging area of discussion between 1380 01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:41.239 Luke and Cara. And I had an idea that if 1381 01:15:41.279 --> 01:15:45.079 we made it a company policy that unmarried owners, which 1382 01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:47.479 would apply to Lucas and David Norho at that time 1383 01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:48.319 was also not married. 1384 01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:49.920 If we made a policy that. 1385 01:15:51.039 --> 01:15:54.119 Owners had to get prenups before they got married, that 1386 01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:56.039 would give Luke support and back him up. 1387 01:15:57.119 --> 01:15:57.359 Yeah. 1388 01:15:57.399 --> 01:15:59.479 So again the way that they frame it is like 1389 01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:02.319 we were just trying to help out little bro. He 1390 01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:04.119 didn't know what he was doing, and we had to 1391 01:16:04.159 --> 01:16:06.840 go in there and save him from his wife, which 1392 01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:09.600 obviously does not paint her in a particularly favorable light. 1393 01:16:09.880 --> 01:16:13.199 The owner group, the three men and myself and my 1394 01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:16.720 wife was right before we got married. I was getting 1395 01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:19.560 a lot of pressure to sign a prenup. And the 1396 01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:24.079 reasoning was, good, you're going to marry this girl, and 1397 01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:26.520 if you get a divorce, we may have to share 1398 01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:28.920 equity now with this woman that we didn't originally sign 1399 01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:30.000 up to run the business with. 1400 01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:31.800 Very reasonable. 1401 01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:35.119 So Karen and I talked about it and she said, yeah, 1402 01:16:35.159 --> 01:16:38.680 I'm willing to sign a prenup, but they do they 1403 01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:41.000 have post nups. And I said, now, I don't think 1404 01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:41.279 they do. 1405 01:16:41.399 --> 01:16:42.960 She had explained to me what those were. 1406 01:16:43.479 --> 01:16:46.560 So she said, well, if they want you to do 1407 01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:48.800 this so that they're protected from you, you should be 1408 01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:50.920 able to have the same protections from them and their 1409 01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:52.239 wives if they have a divorce. 1410 01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:55.239 I thought pretty reasonable. 1411 01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:58.920 So when to speak with my two brothers who were married, 1412 01:17:00.439 --> 01:17:04.079 wasn't married yet, and the conversation did. 1413 01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:04.600 Not go well. 1414 01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:09.640 So again Lucas is now saying they pressured me into 1415 01:17:09.680 --> 01:17:12.560 the prenup. Kara says, well, they should have a post up, right, 1416 01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:16.119 we should be on even footing seems fair, right, and 1417 01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:18.520 then the brothers do not take it well. Now this 1418 01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:24.000 is important contrast with how Isaac views the post up 1419 01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:28.640 because Isaac basically box at it, right, he laughs at it. 1420 01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:31.439 He's like, this is stupid, this is this is dumb. 1421 01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:35.439 We'll see Isaac's response here. 1422 01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:38.199 The quote was he came to that conclusion that he 1423 01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:43.079 needed to have her sign a prenup. And I think 1424 01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:45.600 I have a quote here. I think this comes from David, 1425 01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:47.960 your brother. When Luke was moving in the direction of 1426 01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:50.840 marriage with Kara, he recognized that he should have a prenup. 1427 01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:52.920 And I had an idea that if we made it 1428 01:17:52.960 --> 01:17:56.000 a company policy that unmarried owners, which would apply to 1429 01:17:56.039 --> 01:17:58.239 Lucas and David Nor at the time had had to 1430 01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:00.159 get prenups before they got married, that would give Luke 1431 01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:01.399 support and back them up. 1432 01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:02.720 And so. 1433 01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:06.800 People are kind of like questioning, like was that something 1434 01:18:06.840 --> 01:18:08.680 that came from Lucas or was that something that came 1435 01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:10.279 from you guys, and like what did that look like, 1436 01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:11.720 because that's a pretty big point of contention. 1437 01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:15.479 Well, David had that conversation with Lucas, and I believe 1438 01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:17.600 that David is telling the truth, and that is how 1439 01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:21.199 the conversation got started. I mean, think for a second 1440 01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:23.920 about what I've just described, like the trajectory of the 1441 01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:27.000 company in twenty twenty, how fast it's growing, how much 1442 01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:31.479 demand there is. Do you think a prenup was on 1443 01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:34.520 somebody's mind at that point? Is all I'm all I'm saying. 1444 01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:36.600 I believe that Lucas was thinking about it just based 1445 01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:39.079 on all the circumstances, and I believe that David was 1446 01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:40.439 trying to figure out a way where. 1447 01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:42.439 He just noticed the cat in the background. I was 1448 01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:44.800 very distracted there for a second, my apologies. 1449 01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:46.600 Was thinking about it just based on all the circumstances, 1450 01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:48.760 and I believe that David was trying to figure out 1451 01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:50.560 a way where he could take care of his little brother. 1452 01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:53.279 And so yeah, I'm I'm with David on this one. 1453 01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:55.680 Even though I wasn't part of the conversations, I do believe. 1454 01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:58.119 David right, and I think from a company perspective, that 1455 01:18:58.199 --> 01:18:58.680 makes sense. 1456 01:18:58.760 --> 01:18:58.960 You know. 1457 01:19:00.399 --> 01:19:02.640 But in his video he claimed that he was pressured 1458 01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:06.199 into it. Is that something you think that was one 1459 01:19:06.239 --> 01:19:08.760 of the false allegations that you're talking about, or was 1460 01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:11.119 that he maybe just didn't mix it up. 1461 01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:14.680 He didn't get any pressure from he didn't get any 1462 01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:16.279 pressure any meetings that I was in, he didn't get 1463 01:19:16.279 --> 01:19:16.960 any pressure from me. 1464 01:19:17.119 --> 01:19:21.960 So the question now, Isaac isn't lying there, I think 1465 01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:27.239 because he's he's saying, essentially, I don't you know, I 1466 01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:30.239 wasn't pressuring him. I didn't pressure him. I didn't see 1467 01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:33.560 it in any meetings, so it must not have happened. Okay, 1468 01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:35.000 I wasn't there. 1469 01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:38.199 Yeah, that one is personal. I don't believe that any 1470 01:19:38.239 --> 01:19:40.399 of the any of the officers were pressuring him. 1471 01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:45.720 Okay, yeah, was there any because then I think it 1472 01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:49.560 in rebuttal to that, you know, say, Lucas and Kara 1473 01:19:49.640 --> 01:19:53.560 wanted to make sure the other married owners had post 1474 01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:55.720 nups And was that a point of contention between you 1475 01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:58.960 guys as well get nice or was that kind of 1476 01:19:59.000 --> 01:19:59.840 just like Okay. 1477 01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:02.920 Sure, I still think it's kind of silly, but we 1478 01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:04.840 did it. I mean, I don't know about contention, but 1479 01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:07.319 we did it. It wasn't a point of right argument. 1480 01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:09.439 But I still think that it's silly if you ask. 1481 01:20:10.479 --> 01:20:13.159 Yeah, see Isaac like, nah, it was silly. Isaac still 1482 01:20:13.159 --> 01:20:15.359 has feelings about that. He still is annoyed that he 1483 01:20:15.439 --> 01:20:18.279 had to talk his wife because I guarantee you. Okay. 1484 01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:24.279 Isaac and David Botkin had to have awkward conversations with 1485 01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:26.960 their wives about Hey, by the way, we're signing a 1486 01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:30.239 post up. If you divorce, you don't get anything with 1487 01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:33.039 t Rex Arms. Sorry, babe. I know he's been married 1488 01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:37.319 for like a decade, I think, right, But by the way, 1489 01:20:37.359 --> 01:20:40.479 we're now signing a post up because we talked to 1490 01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:44.680 Lucas into a pre nup. So sorry, babe. Right, that 1491 01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:48.279 is probably an awkward conversation to have with your partner, right, 1492 01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:51.199 with your wife after ten years, being like, hey, babe, 1493 01:20:52.439 --> 01:20:54.840 you know how you know, we've had this great relationship 1494 01:20:54.880 --> 01:21:00.000 and all that, but we're getting a post up right now? Sorry, babe. 1495 01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:02.239 Enforceability or things like that. It's just kind of a 1496 01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:04.640 just kind of a formality. 1497 01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:06.159 What what about it is silly? 1498 01:21:08.640 --> 01:21:10.920 Well, basically just the the enforceability of the post not 1499 01:21:11.079 --> 01:21:16.920 versus supreme up legally speaking. Sure, is there less a lawyer? 1500 01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:22.600 Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, I've never had a. 1501 01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:23.880 Deal with it, and a lot of it. I mean, 1502 01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:27.520 of all the lawyers that I am, not divorced lawyer 1503 01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:31.159 is the most lawyer that I am not. But yeah, 1504 01:21:32.000 --> 01:21:33.600 the assets and when they were made, and all of 1505 01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:36.399 these things were all factors into these things. So it's 1506 01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:39.840 obvious that people commenting on this are also not divorced lawyers. 1507 01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:42.520 So yeah, yeah. 1508 01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:45.479 I think it would just be most people probably don't 1509 01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:48.720 really care one way or the other about the specifics 1510 01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:51.239 of the situation between the brothers or whatever. I think, 1511 01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:54.359 like we talked about before, is like everything really comes 1512 01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:54.920 down to trust. 1513 01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:58.000 Like you know, I think that in. 1514 01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:01.159 Lucas's video, he made it sound like you guys wanted 1515 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:02.720 him to get a prenup, but you guys refuse to 1516 01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:04.239 get post ups is kind of what it's sounded alike. 1517 01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:05.880 And so a lot of people think, well, that's kind 1518 01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:07.119 of weird. Why wouldn't they. 1519 01:22:07.760 --> 01:22:08.960 We have them? I mean, I. 1520 01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:13.079 Yeah, it's not that you refuse to get them. It 1521 01:22:13.119 --> 01:22:15.319 was that it was a difficult conversation. And you can 1522 01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:17.880 see this is like four years ago, five years ago. Now, 1523 01:22:17.880 --> 01:22:20.359 my apologies, and Isaac is still like, oh, it was 1524 01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:23.560 silly and stupid to get them, right, I guarantee you again, 1525 01:22:23.600 --> 01:22:26.439 there were some awkward conversation with spouses about a preenup 1526 01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:27.199 posting up. 1527 01:22:27.239 --> 01:22:31.359 Sorry, it's one of those things that I I don't 1528 01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:33.439 want to like put a picture of it up on 1529 01:22:33.439 --> 01:22:35.760 the internet to win an argument about something that is 1530 01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:39.640 really unrelated to stuff and is very small, and it's 1531 01:22:39.680 --> 01:22:40.880 also seems very personal. 1532 01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:43.760 Yeah, so he did say that you guys did eventually 1533 01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:46.279 get them, and so I don't think that was He's. 1534 01:22:46.119 --> 01:22:49.000 Still like, watch Isaac's reaction there on the bottom. He's 1535 01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:50.479 still so annoyed about this. 1536 01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:53.960 Yeah, he did say that you guys did eventually get them, 1537 01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:56.920 and so I don't think that was necessarily a big 1538 01:22:56.960 --> 01:23:01.279 point of contention between the sides, but h So, moving 1539 01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:04.479 on from that, Lucas and Cary get married, and then 1540 01:23:04.479 --> 01:23:07.800 in twenty twenty one, Kara expresses interest in getting a 1541 01:23:07.880 --> 01:23:09.800 job at t rex. 1542 01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:12.159 And a lot of stuff revolves around like the treatment 1543 01:23:12.279 --> 01:23:15.560 or the perceived treatment from Lucas's video that his wife received. 1544 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:19.520 And I think that's what people really more is how 1545 01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:23.239 the founder's wife was treated, and as far as being 1546 01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:25.960 able to trust a group of people that own a company, 1547 01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:26.560 you know. 1548 01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:29.680 So it seems like, sorry, there there was contention between 1549 01:23:29.720 --> 01:23:30.119 your guys. 1550 01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:31.319 Video post. 1551 01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:35.840 Lucas says that they didn't hear back from anybody at 1552 01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:39.119 t rex HR. There's no meetings or anything to follow 1553 01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:42.159 up on her job application, whereas the t X video, 1554 01:23:42.279 --> 01:23:44.880 you guys said that there was meetings just to decide 1555 01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:48.760 that there was a place. What do you have anything 1556 01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:50.640 to say on that or expound upon that. 1557 01:23:51.399 --> 01:23:55.119 There were definitely meetings, and there's definitely notes in the 1558 01:23:55.399 --> 01:23:58.319 hr files. So if Lucas wants to contend that they 1559 01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:01.920 didn't happen, I mean he should, he should have some evidence, 1560 01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:06.479 I guess. But I think that we went over the 1561 01:24:06.479 --> 01:24:08.319 details more in the video. I can't remember. 1562 01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:12.119 Yeah, So they do talk about that in their video, 1563 01:24:12.359 --> 01:24:16.000 this one right here, the image. I like how there's 1564 01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:19.319 like a six minute section on the image incident, which 1565 01:24:19.359 --> 01:24:21.920 is very funny. I'll just leave this picture up on 1566 01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:25.680 screen for you right as a good representation. But apparently 1567 01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:29.399 there were discussions, there are notes in hr files, you know, 1568 01:24:29.560 --> 01:24:34.359 about Kara getting or the possibility of Kara having a 1569 01:24:34.479 --> 01:24:37.880 job at t Rex Arms. I believe according to t 1570 01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:39.800 Rex Arms in this video, because I just watched it 1571 01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:43.880 earlier today, that position that she wrote a job description 1572 01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:47.920 for was essentially already filled by somebody else there and 1573 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:52.319 therefore kind of redundant. So as far as that goes, like, 1574 01:24:52.399 --> 01:24:54.960 I have no idea I don't. I've never been there, 1575 01:24:55.000 --> 01:24:56.960 I've never worked there. I don't know how the inner 1576 01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:59.399 workings of the company in any way, shape or form, right, 1577 01:24:59.640 --> 01:25:03.279 So that that might be true, right in a sense 1578 01:25:03.439 --> 01:25:05.760 where yeah, there just wasn't an opening for Caras, So 1579 01:25:05.800 --> 01:25:08.960 it doesn't make sense to hire her, right obviously, if 1580 01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:13.000 you're the founder of the company and you own a 1581 01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:16.560 significant share of the company, and your wife has already 1582 01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:19.880 been slided in terms of the prenup, in terms of 1583 01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:22.359 the treatment by the other owners, and then on top 1584 01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:25.640 of that they decide not to give her a job 1585 01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:28.000 there or to to allow her to work there in 1586 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:31.159 some way, shape or form, it's just another slight on 1587 01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:34.159 top of slight, or at least a perceived slide, Right, 1588 01:25:34.199 --> 01:25:37.119 you guys could understand how even if it was a 1589 01:25:37.239 --> 01:25:40.239 legitimate business decision to not hire her, right, it very 1590 01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:43.079 well could be that it is at least a perceived 1591 01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:46.319 slight on top of so many other things, right. 1592 01:25:50.359 --> 01:25:51.880 In the exact days and times and things like that. 1593 01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:53.840 But we definitely had meetings together and then we refoosed 1594 01:25:53.840 --> 01:25:57.800 ourselves and handed it over to other officers to make 1595 01:25:57.840 --> 01:25:58.520 those decisions. 1596 01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:03.039 So did they ever reach back out, Absolutely, Yeah, and what. 1597 01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:04.760 Was the conclusion at the time. It was it just 1598 01:26:05.079 --> 01:26:05.920 there's no job. 1599 01:26:05.720 --> 01:26:09.279 Of that for well, she had written a job description 1600 01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:11.920 for a position that didn't exist and that the t 1601 01:26:12.039 --> 01:26:12.840 Rens didn't require. 1602 01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:15.479 So it's not, well that that's kind of a change. 1603 01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:17.840 I think Isaac might just be getting the details wrong there. 1604 01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:20.039 They've said that the job that she wrote, which it 1605 01:26:20.119 --> 01:26:21.960 is bold, right, that's a bold move to go to 1606 01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:25.960 a company writing your own job description, right, I mean 1607 01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:29.119 that's pretty bold, right to be like, here's my job description, 1608 01:26:29.279 --> 01:26:32.319 here's what I can do for you, Please hire me. Right, 1609 01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:35.239 That's that's a bold move. That's ballsy, so to speak. Okay, 1610 01:26:35.319 --> 01:26:40.000 metaphorically of course. However, again, that job allegedly was already 1611 01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:43.039 filled by somebody else, not that that wasn't just something 1612 01:26:43.079 --> 01:26:45.119 that t Rex Arms needed, right at least according to 1613 01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:50.760 the original video, Lucas Botkins says no email exists from 1614 01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:53.880 HR to her or me, saying she couldn't be hired. 1615 01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:54.119 Law. 1616 01:26:54.720 --> 01:26:57.920 Well, again, I think that Lucas and Isaac's statements there 1617 01:26:58.039 --> 01:27:00.640 can still be harmonized as well, because Lucas could be 1618 01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:05.399 one thousand percent correct that HR never emailed either of 1619 01:27:05.439 --> 01:27:08.680 them back about the application right about the hiring. That 1620 01:27:08.680 --> 01:27:11.119 could be one hundred percent true. And there could be 1621 01:27:11.399 --> 01:27:15.800 HR notes in some folder somewhere about the reasoning behind 1622 01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:19.439 not hiring Kara. Right, So those two things can absolutely 1623 01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:21.720 be true at the same time. Right, they're not mutually 1624 01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:23.640 exclusive claims. 1625 01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:26.039 Not like there were no jobs at the shop at 1626 01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:30.039 that time. There was a very specific job that she 1627 01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:31.159 wanted created. 1628 01:27:31.199 --> 01:27:33.119 Basically, what was that do you remember? 1629 01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:36.039 Well, I can't remember the title of it, but it 1630 01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:37.880 just included a lot of stuff. It was just a 1631 01:27:37.880 --> 01:27:41.039 lot of different responsibilities in the company, but I can't 1632 01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:45.880 remember the title. Yeah, again, we kind of recused ourselves 1633 01:27:45.920 --> 01:27:48.640 from this and gave it over to other members of 1634 01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:51.800 the team just to not be you know, just to 1635 01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:54.279 make it more appropriate to make that decision. 1636 01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:58.720 Which is the wise move, right, And again I do 1637 01:27:58.800 --> 01:28:03.199 get the feeling, okay, right throughout this entire thing that 1638 01:28:03.880 --> 01:28:06.479 Isaac and David and David and some of the other 1639 01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:09.920 team and family because it is a big family business. 1640 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:11.960 Keep that in mind, there's lots of family involved at 1641 01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:15.920 every stage of development. For lack of a better term, 1642 01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:21.039 that they don't really like Cara, Right, So Isaac is like, 1643 01:28:21.039 --> 01:28:24.640 oh gosh, I'm going to recuse myself. I don't want 1644 01:28:24.640 --> 01:28:27.520 to be a part of that. Let HR deal with it. It 1645 01:28:27.119 --> 01:28:30.439 would really be funny if the HR team was also Botkins, 1646 01:28:30.520 --> 01:28:34.720 just different Botkins, right, that would be very funny. That 1647 01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:37.039 was strictly based off So it's like, yeah, I refused, 1648 01:28:37.359 --> 01:28:39.880 the family recuses itself and let's a different part of 1649 01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:40.960 the family do it, right. 1650 01:28:41.319 --> 01:28:45.479 But if the position wasn't really available and you didn't 1651 01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:46.960 have an opening for it had nothing to do with 1652 01:28:48.199 --> 01:28:49.880 your I. 1653 01:28:49.800 --> 01:28:51.880 Mean, there's that, but there's also just like if you 1654 01:28:51.880 --> 01:28:54.199 write a job, if you show up to a company 1655 01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:59.119 and you asked for a job, then maybe they have 1656 01:28:59.159 --> 01:29:00.840 an opening to do X. Not. Why if you show 1657 01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:03.840 upon you have a job description that you've written for yourself, 1658 01:29:03.920 --> 01:29:06.000 You're you're asking them to create a position. You're asking 1659 01:29:06.039 --> 01:29:09.359 them to do more than just slot you into a place. 1660 01:29:10.800 --> 01:29:12.760 It's it's a very complicated thing to do to show 1661 01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:14.359 up with a pre written job description. 1662 01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:16.720 Ball z is the word that I would use to 1663 01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:18.399 describe that, and a new ORG chart. 1664 01:29:19.119 --> 01:29:21.720 So it wasn't necessarily it wasn't like I want to 1665 01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:24.000 work on the shop floor and packaging. 1666 01:29:24.159 --> 01:29:25.479 No, it was a very it would have. It was 1667 01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:28.159 a plan to rejig the entire org chart, and so 1668 01:29:28.479 --> 01:29:30.119 that was a it would have needed. It would have 1669 01:29:30.119 --> 01:29:33.600 needed to be a very high level decision to do that. Obviously, 1670 01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:36.640 there's there's shop floor type work where people get hired 1671 01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:40.680 without order owners or anybody. You know. There's different levels 1672 01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:42.920 in the company, and hiring involves different levels. So we 1673 01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:45.920 recused ourselves and let's let the ELT make the decision 1674 01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:46.279 about that. 1675 01:29:46.439 --> 01:29:50.920 Yeah, okay, did you Lucas says wait org chart? Well, 1676 01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:53.239 they said they would have to redo the org chart. 1677 01:29:53.319 --> 01:29:58.720 Let me find their exact claim here. Shoot, what should 1678 01:29:58.800 --> 01:29:59.960 my search be here? 1679 01:30:01.720 --> 01:30:02.000 Kara? 1680 01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:10.039 Did I spell that wrong? Let's see, I might have 1681 01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:13.520 spelled that wrong. My apologies not having a pull up yet. 1682 01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:13.840 Here we go. 1683 01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:17.880 Okay, aside from the family issues that we have already discussed, 1684 01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:20.960 I want to talk about more of a business issue 1685 01:30:21.279 --> 01:30:22.319 concerning the allegation. 1686 01:30:23.159 --> 01:30:24.319 What it matters. 1687 01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:26.800 Smooth Skin never seen a Ghoul before. 1688 01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:31.039 Of Kara not having any follow up on being hired. 1689 01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:34.159 So I was the director of operations at that time. 1690 01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:36.840 I was coming into more leadership, screened and vetted and 1691 01:30:37.239 --> 01:30:39.760 interviewed everyone that came into the company. 1692 01:30:39.800 --> 01:30:41.479 Over the next couple of years. 1693 01:30:41.560 --> 01:30:44.319 So in May of twenty twenty one, a board meeting 1694 01:30:44.399 --> 01:30:48.079 was held where Kara's job description that she had written 1695 01:30:48.279 --> 01:30:50.960 was presented to the board, which is something that is 1696 01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:53.800 above and beyond what we would normally do. We looked 1697 01:30:53.800 --> 01:30:57.159 at that job description and it was basically, even though 1698 01:30:57.199 --> 01:31:01.119 part time, the responsibilities of what the chief operations officer was. 1699 01:31:01.800 --> 01:31:05.439 Gosh, dang it, thank you our vandalai, but you're excuse me, 1700 01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:08.680 you're blocking the ghoul. Get off the screen, pop up, 1701 01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:13.159 damn it, give it a second. My apologies, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, 1702 01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:17.039 so chief Operations Officer is essentially her job description that 1703 01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:20.079 she wrote, according to former CEO Mark dahl. 1704 01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:23.359 Cley, even though part time, the responsibilities of what the 1705 01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:26.520 chief operations officer was already doing in the company, as 1706 01:31:26.600 --> 01:31:30.239 well as the director of Operations. It was followed up 1707 01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:33.640 a couple months later by the director of Admin having 1708 01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:37.720 two one on one meetings with Kara, and the result 1709 01:31:37.760 --> 01:31:40.560 of that was that we had no position available. In fact, 1710 01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:42.880 there was nothing in the company at that time that 1711 01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:45.279 would fit a chemical engineer coming in part time to 1712 01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:46.560 do those things. 1713 01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:49.600 Yeah, so they're saying that there was a big overlap 1714 01:31:49.680 --> 01:31:54.279 between two positions chief off Chief Operations officers and another. 1715 01:31:54.720 --> 01:31:58.840 They're saying they had two meetings with Kara directly about that. 1716 01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:02.199 There's just not a position open part time at this 1717 01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:04.479 point in time, So that is that the two claims 1718 01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:08.920 there all right, those do seem to be mutually exclusive, 1719 01:32:09.039 --> 01:32:10.640 so we'll figure those out in the future. 1720 01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:13.079 I suppose did you guys offer like a different position, like, no, 1721 01:32:13.119 --> 01:32:15.439 we don't have this, we can't do this, but you 1722 01:32:15.479 --> 01:32:18.000 could do exposition or whatever. 1723 01:32:19.239 --> 01:32:21.359 I don't know if the hiring guys did that or not. 1724 01:32:21.560 --> 01:32:24.359 I mean, we definitely talked about other options just around 1725 01:32:24.359 --> 01:32:26.920 the table. In the previous conversation. 1726 01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:30.000 Michael Graham says, do the other Botkan wives work for 1727 01:32:30.039 --> 01:32:33.159 the company? I do not remember if it is one 1728 01:32:33.279 --> 01:32:36.479 Botkan wife or two Botcan wives that work for the companies. 1729 01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:40.199 Not Lucas's wife, but two of the other Botkan wives 1730 01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:42.560 work for the company. I don't remember exactly which one. 1731 01:32:44.439 --> 01:32:47.640 And yes, David Botkin and David nor are also part 1732 01:32:47.640 --> 01:32:50.479 of the family because David Noor married to Botkin, right, 1733 01:32:51.199 --> 01:32:53.039 so there's two David's in the Botkin family. 1734 01:32:53.560 --> 01:32:55.199 Yes, but I don't know if I can't remember if 1735 01:32:56.039 --> 01:33:01.840 that's in the like official communication from. 1736 01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:02.760 Okay, so that would be another false claim then from 1737 01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:04.439 Lucas's video, because I believe he. 1738 01:33:04.479 --> 01:33:06.960 Said that you never heard back from David Fry. I believe. So, yeah, 1739 01:33:07.000 --> 01:33:07.720 that's cook. 1740 01:33:08.159 --> 01:33:11.359 Okay, yeah, because again the kernel here, this guy is 1741 01:33:11.399 --> 01:33:15.159 saying that there were two direct meetings about her job 1742 01:33:16.520 --> 01:33:19.399 and Lucas did. Did Lucas say that there was no 1743 01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:24.199 callback here? Let me check the transcript. Uh did a 1744 01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:27.359 conversation to go in why position? 1745 01:33:28.159 --> 01:33:28.359 Here? 1746 01:33:28.439 --> 01:33:32.000 We have a manufacturing process and she figured there's probably 1747 01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:34.359 some process things on the production line that I can 1748 01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:37.520 assist with. I'll do it for free because now you 1749 01:33:37.560 --> 01:33:39.880 know I'm married to an owner, there's you know, why 1750 01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:45.039 not build the equity. So she submitted a now a 1751 01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:49.520 resume to the corporation to t rex Harms. I reccused 1752 01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:53.279 myself from the discussion about, you know, my wife's getting hired. 1753 01:33:54.119 --> 01:33:55.319 But nobody ever responded. 1754 01:33:55.960 --> 01:34:00.840 The JR Director didn't respond, the owners didn't respond, and 1755 01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:02.840 that was very hard for us because. 1756 01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:06.840 So again that right there, that right there is very 1757 01:34:06.920 --> 01:34:11.199 mutually exclusive. Okay, so someone is lying here. Okay, we 1758 01:34:11.319 --> 01:34:16.800 got Colonel David's and Isaac versus Lucas. Here somebody is 1759 01:34:16.880 --> 01:34:19.640 lying or at least not saying the entire truth there. 1760 01:34:20.560 --> 01:34:25.319 All right, so we're kind of approaching the end of 1761 01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:30.239 the timeline, and Lucas stated that he just felt that. 1762 01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:33.720 It was not going to be able to work. 1763 01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:37.439 Out well least says the lude photo was the response that's. 1764 01:34:37.319 --> 01:34:44.279 Dark between t Rex and it's the current ownership, and 1765 01:34:44.319 --> 01:34:46.960 so he stated that he felt like he could not 1766 01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:48.520 publicly support or. 1767 01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:52.640 Be the face of t Rex the way it stood. 1768 01:34:52.640 --> 01:34:56.960 So that's when the buyout negotiations kind of started and 1769 01:34:57.239 --> 01:34:58.760 he kind of made a decision like he wanted to 1770 01:34:58.760 --> 01:35:01.159 control back. He was either going to buy you guys 1771 01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:03.279 out or you guys were gonna buy him out. And 1772 01:35:03.319 --> 01:35:05.760 I think he initially started with you guys buying him out. 1773 01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:09.680 So what did those negotiats negotiations kind of look like. 1774 01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:11.560 And when you initially found out about that, is that 1775 01:35:11.600 --> 01:35:13.760 something you saw coming or was it like kind of 1776 01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:15.279 like a shock to you or what were your initial 1777 01:35:15.319 --> 01:35:15.880 thoughts there. 1778 01:35:19.399 --> 01:35:20.920 I don't think it was a shock. I'm trying to 1779 01:35:20.920 --> 01:35:22.800 remember the exact day. It was at the end of January, 1780 01:35:23.439 --> 01:35:25.319 after shat show in twenty five that he came in 1781 01:35:25.359 --> 01:35:28.279 and he said that he didn't want to work with 1782 01:35:28.359 --> 01:35:32.359 us anymore. And it wasn't super surprising because he pretty 1783 01:35:32.399 --> 01:35:36.000 much cut off ties, like I said before, with everybody else, 1784 01:35:37.199 --> 01:35:39.359 and there was really no contact outside of work and 1785 01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:44.800 very little contact inside of work honestly. So yeah, so 1786 01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:49.720 that was not super surprising, but there there were there 1787 01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:52.520 were a lot of different conversations. I actually think that 1788 01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:56.960 we had some better conversations, you know, in some of 1789 01:35:56.960 --> 01:35:58.960 those conversations we actually had, I would say, some of 1790 01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:08.239 the more personal, frank, direct conversations that we'd had in 1791 01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:10.199 a very long time around some of the beginnings of 1792 01:36:10.199 --> 01:36:13.760 of of that that conversation before the before the biotalks started, 1793 01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:20.680 just we were when we were talking about him him wanting. 1794 01:36:20.479 --> 01:36:23.520 To well, yeah, things get real candid, real fast when 1795 01:36:23.560 --> 01:36:26.199 you're essentially like, I don't want to work with you anymore. 1796 01:36:26.359 --> 01:36:28.039 I don't want to be with you guys anymore. I 1797 01:36:28.039 --> 01:36:30.920 don't like the direction of the company. You guys need 1798 01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:35.079 to accept my offers or buy me out of my shares, 1799 01:36:35.119 --> 01:36:37.840 and I'm done, Like I'm done. There's no fixing this, 1800 01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:40.960 there's no coming back to this. We're out. This is over. 1801 01:36:41.279 --> 01:36:44.920 Thanks, But no, thanks, leave the company or take uh 1802 01:36:45.479 --> 01:36:47.720 make sure that we were out of the company, and 1803 01:36:47.760 --> 01:36:50.039 so so yeah, then we started buyout conversations after that, 1804 01:36:50.159 --> 01:36:53.800 and it was just a lot of just back and 1805 01:36:53.840 --> 01:36:56.720 forth on some different different ideas about numbers and process 1806 01:36:56.760 --> 01:37:03.000 and so forth. And yeah, it was, it was, it was. 1807 01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:05.359 It was a pretty awkward situation actually based on based 1808 01:37:05.399 --> 01:37:08.720 on some of his demands once we got to that, 1809 01:37:09.479 --> 01:37:12.319 well just some of some of the numbers. Like it 1810 01:37:12.359 --> 01:37:17.000 was he he really, he was really desiring. He laid 1811 01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:19.680 out both options. You you say, I go or I 1812 01:37:19.800 --> 01:37:22.079 uh I go, and you say, but he was really he. 1813 01:37:22.119 --> 01:37:24.760 Said the same thing twice, which is obviously he met 1814 01:37:24.840 --> 01:37:27.119 misspoke there, but it is very funny that he says 1815 01:37:27.119 --> 01:37:31.159 the same thing twice, just kind of reinforcing the idea 1816 01:37:31.199 --> 01:37:33.680 that now, hey, hey little bro or not leaving go. 1817 01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:36.039 Or I uh I go, And you say, but he 1818 01:37:36.119 --> 01:37:40.560 was really not open to to us keeping the company. 1819 01:37:40.840 --> 01:37:43.239 And so at the beginning, that is where all all 1820 01:37:43.279 --> 01:37:46.000 of all the negotiations started and kind of evolved around. 1821 01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:50.600 So so yeah, and just basically, I mean, technically a 1822 01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:53.399 hostile takeover. A hostile takeover is one of minority shareholder 1823 01:37:54.159 --> 01:37:56.600 is trying to take control of the company from from 1824 01:37:56.640 --> 01:37:58.119 people against their wishes and so. 1825 01:37:58.920 --> 01:38:04.439 Well, I mean, is that really a hostile takeover? Is 1826 01:38:04.479 --> 01:38:07.439 that what it is? Because you're just saying, like, hey, 1827 01:38:07.479 --> 01:38:10.479 can you accept my offer to me by your shares? 1828 01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:14.600 Right because you're not forcing their hand. You can't force 1829 01:38:14.680 --> 01:38:19.159 their hand. You're giving them terms or essentially asking them 1830 01:38:19.239 --> 01:38:22.239 to accept your terms. Is that Is that fair to 1831 01:38:22.279 --> 01:38:27.520 say that that is a hostile takeover? Maybe by technical 1832 01:38:27.640 --> 01:38:30.319 maybe on some technical level if you're looking at like that. 1833 01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:34.119 I don't know the Webster Miriam Dictionary definition of a 1834 01:38:34.159 --> 01:38:37.600 hostile takeover, but that it seems like he's asking you 1835 01:38:37.640 --> 01:38:41.399 to accept or to consent to the takeover right now. 1836 01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:43.760 Maybe I'm not brushed up on my twenty twenty six 1837 01:38:43.840 --> 01:38:47.479 consent and all that sort of stuff, but that's that 1838 01:38:47.560 --> 01:38:50.119 seems amicable. It's like if you sign on the dotted line, Yeah, 1839 01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:51.760 you sign over your shares and you get money for it. 1840 01:38:51.920 --> 01:38:52.720 I don't know what tell you. 1841 01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:57.199 So we just went over a bunch of different different 1842 01:38:57.199 --> 01:39:01.880 options that were not not acceptable. So then we went 1843 01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:02.960 the other way and we gave him a BA. 1844 01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:05.359 See, this is where I want the interviewers to push harder, Like, 1845 01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:09.199 what is not acceptable? Are the dollar amounts not acceptable? All? 1846 01:39:09.239 --> 01:39:12.159 Are the value of the company not acceptable? Is the 1847 01:39:12.199 --> 01:39:15.640 buyout phase not acceptable? Is it because he wants to 1848 01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:18.119 get rid of like ten employees? Like? What is actually 1849 01:39:18.159 --> 01:39:21.279 unacceptable about the terms? I want specifics right because I'm 1850 01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:24.159 you know, into that a. 1851 01:39:24.159 --> 01:39:27.119 Bunch of options which he did not find acceptable, and 1852 01:39:27.159 --> 01:39:29.600 it kind of stalled out, and so we worked to 1853 01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:31.199 just to find a whole bunch of other different options. 1854 01:39:31.199 --> 01:39:32.760 And I can't remember if there are on the timeline 1855 01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:34.600 to some of the different things where you know, we 1856 01:39:34.640 --> 01:39:36.840 could do this, you could leave and keep your shares, 1857 01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:38.159 but do that, or we could bring in a third 1858 01:39:38.199 --> 01:39:39.840 party buyer. We found this other third party buyer, Like, 1859 01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:41.279 there were a bunch of things that we were trying 1860 01:39:41.279 --> 01:39:44.239 to find for him, And. 1861 01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:46.199 Why didn't you guys just buy him out? 1862 01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:48.560 Was it you guys were looking for someone to specifically 1863 01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:50.680 take over his share or. 1864 01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:52.840 Oh no, no, no, we tried to buy him out, but 1865 01:39:52.920 --> 01:39:57.319 his numbers were just just very high. 1866 01:39:57.439 --> 01:39:59.880 Well, correct me if I'm wrong, let's consult the time. 1867 01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:02.960 Lie here does it tell me? Because he had thirty 1868 01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:06.840 five percent? But then if I remember correctly, he loses 1869 01:40:06.880 --> 01:40:12.680 another ten when Isaac comes on board Isaac. So again, 1870 01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:14.960 the thing that's missing here is we have the twenty 1871 01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:18.359 fifteen agreement, but not the twenty nineteen agreement, which obviously 1872 01:40:18.359 --> 01:40:22.479 supersedes the previous one when they bring in Isaac in there, 1873 01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:29.680 So shoot or twenty seventeen. Sorry my apologies anyways, but 1874 01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:32.359 I don't have that updated one. So I think Lucas 1875 01:40:32.399 --> 01:40:36.000 lost another ten percent or maybe another five percent, So 1876 01:40:36.039 --> 01:40:39.319 he's somewhere between twenty five and thirty percent of the company. 1877 01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:42.039 And again, if we had the agreement, we could just 1878 01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:43.960 look at it and be like, well, it says here 1879 01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:46.600 that he's owed twenty five percent of their most recent evaluation, 1880 01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:49.039 which is twenty million dollars spoiler alert, that's five million 1881 01:40:49.039 --> 01:40:52.079 bucks right now. It could be more than that, right, 1882 01:40:52.119 --> 01:40:55.359 It could be potential future earnings, It could be potential 1883 01:40:55.399 --> 01:40:59.119 future valuation amount like what is the actual valuation of 1884 01:40:59.199 --> 01:41:01.479 t rex Arms, which again at the time was doing 1885 01:41:01.520 --> 01:41:04.720 like twenty million dollars a year? Who knows, right, And 1886 01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:07.920 whatever that valuation is, he's worth approximately twenty five to 1887 01:41:07.960 --> 01:41:10.640 thirty percent of it. And again I don't know if 1888 01:41:10.680 --> 01:41:14.640 the number is just high in terms of like we 1889 01:41:14.720 --> 01:41:18.079 can't pay it or if like it's something else. 1890 01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:22.079 Right, those numbers based off of current evaluation or what 1891 01:41:22.159 --> 01:41:22.880 were those numbers? 1892 01:41:22.960 --> 01:41:27.199 Like? Those numbers were based off of many many things. 1893 01:41:27.960 --> 01:41:29.399 So can you elaborate or no? 1894 01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:33.920 I no? I think is better if we just yes. 1895 01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:35.359 This is another one where I'm trying to. 1896 01:41:36.560 --> 01:41:38.920 I know, I know it's difficult, Isaac, but you're on 1897 01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:42.119 a podcast in front of you know, lots of people 1898 01:41:42.159 --> 01:41:44.520 are going to watch this eventually, Like thirty thousand people 1899 01:41:44.560 --> 01:41:48.159 have already watched it on Ben Steger's channel, right and 1900 01:41:48.239 --> 01:41:52.199 already watched his breakdown of it. Like, if you're gonna 1901 01:41:52.199 --> 01:41:55.319 come onto these podcasts, you gotta just shut up about 1902 01:41:55.319 --> 01:41:58.399 anything to do with Lucas or if you're gonna talk details, 1903 01:41:58.399 --> 01:42:01.880 talk details, you know, it's like that's what I want. Okay, 1904 01:42:01.960 --> 01:42:06.239 just give me the shareholders agreement from twenty seventeen or 1905 01:42:06.279 --> 01:42:09.079 the most updated shareholders agreement and we'll all just look 1906 01:42:09.079 --> 01:42:11.880 at it together and go, ah, you owe him this 1907 01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:13.399 much money? That's crazy, dog. 1908 01:42:13.560 --> 01:42:15.279 Many many things. 1909 01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:17.239 So can you elaborate or no? 1910 01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:21.720 I no, I think it's better if we just yes. 1911 01:42:21.800 --> 01:42:23.880 This is another one where I'm trying to it sounds 1912 01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:27.000 like I'm hedging on for other reasons. I'm really trying 1913 01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:31.560 to protect Lucas here. We had many conversations about the 1914 01:42:31.640 --> 01:42:32.880 value of shares. 1915 01:42:34.239 --> 01:42:39.159 I but this seems so weird though, right, I'm trying 1916 01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:42.479 to protect Lucas. I'm doing this to protect Lucas. Like 1917 01:42:43.640 --> 01:42:48.680 maybe you're internally justifying it that way in some weird sense. 1918 01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:52.119 But at the same time, you're trying to pay him 1919 01:42:52.119 --> 01:42:54.399 as little money as possible. Like we can just be 1920 01:42:54.600 --> 01:43:00.399 realistic here, Lucas says, how gracious, Like just be realistic. 1921 01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:03.560 You know it'll be like we think Lucas's numbers are 1922 01:43:03.600 --> 01:43:08.640 too high. You know, we think he wants nine million, 1923 01:43:08.720 --> 01:43:12.920 but it's actually two whatever. You know, I don't know 1924 01:43:12.920 --> 01:43:14.720 what the numbers are. But I'm just saying, right, like, 1925 01:43:15.119 --> 01:43:16.960 you can just be honest. You don't need to do 1926 01:43:17.000 --> 01:43:19.520 this whole Oh, I'm protecting my baby brother. I'm just 1927 01:43:19.640 --> 01:43:22.720 protecting him. I'm really protecting him by making sure his 1928 01:43:22.880 --> 01:43:25.920 pocket book doesn't get too big. Guys, Okay, listen, if 1929 01:43:25.920 --> 01:43:29.399 his pocket book gets too big, his pants might fall down. Okay, 1930 01:43:29.439 --> 01:43:32.319 So I'm really just protecting my little brother here. That's 1931 01:43:32.399 --> 01:43:33.640 crazy work, by the way. 1932 01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:39.319 And Lucas had a very different valuation for a certain 1933 01:43:39.359 --> 01:43:42.159 share brother share. So yeah, so. 1934 01:43:42.159 --> 01:43:44.840 What is in the ear And again that that delta 1935 01:43:44.920 --> 01:43:47.359 has got to be millions of dollars, right, millions and 1936 01:43:47.399 --> 01:43:50.600 millions of dollars because again I don't know what the 1937 01:43:50.640 --> 01:43:54.079 agreement was, but if it's only off by a couple 1938 01:43:54.159 --> 01:43:57.039 million of million dollars, like they're literally both going to 1939 01:43:57.079 --> 01:43:59.720 spend more than a couple million of dollars in terms 1940 01:43:59.720 --> 01:44:04.199 of the fees, right, So just like just paying the money, 1941 01:44:04.600 --> 01:44:07.520 it just seems simpler, right because t rex arm situation 1942 01:44:07.720 --> 01:44:11.159 cannot get better, okay, Like it's not going to magically 1943 01:44:11.239 --> 01:44:16.000 get better the longer this drama goes on, right, So Isaac, 1944 01:44:16.039 --> 01:44:19.880 like think about it this way, whatever amount of extra 1945 01:44:19.960 --> 01:44:23.479 money you lose by paying off Lucas, you're going to 1946 01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:26.760 reap the benefits by putting this drama behind you and 1947 01:44:26.880 --> 01:44:29.520 actually being able to build up your brand again. Okay, 1948 01:44:30.399 --> 01:44:33.560 because as long as Lucas is still in limbo, as 1949 01:44:33.560 --> 01:44:36.439 long as Lucas does not get paid, you are losing 1950 01:44:36.479 --> 01:44:39.239 out x amount of sales on a yearly basis, on 1951 01:44:39.279 --> 01:44:41.479 a monthly basis, on a weekly basis, And guess what 1952 01:44:41.560 --> 01:44:44.760 your hemorrhaging employees. Okay, so for the sake of your 1953 01:44:44.840 --> 01:44:51.159 employees that you still have attempt to acquiesce to Lucas's demands. Right, 1954 01:44:51.279 --> 01:44:55.520 if your mission statement is to protect your employees and 1955 01:44:55.520 --> 01:44:59.359 to protect the family business, do that. Eat a little 1956 01:44:59.399 --> 01:45:03.119 bit of crow and pay him whatever the heck you can. Right, 1957 01:45:03.520 --> 01:45:06.000 put the matter behind you, for the sake of your family, 1958 01:45:06.039 --> 01:45:07.960 for the sake of your community, for the sake of 1959 01:45:07.960 --> 01:45:10.680 your company, pay him what you can and be done 1960 01:45:10.720 --> 01:45:14.479 with it. I guarantee you sales will improve once Lucas 1961 01:45:14.520 --> 01:45:17.039 is no longer saying, hey, this company has not paid 1962 01:45:17.039 --> 01:45:19.800 me what they owe me, and once the community you know, 1963 01:45:19.880 --> 01:45:22.199 stops believing you to be a snake who has screwed 1964 01:45:22.239 --> 01:45:24.439 their little brother out of a company. You know. 1965 01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:29.600 Original shareholder agreement. 1966 01:45:32.119 --> 01:45:34.000 The original shareholdreement. I think we published that, didn't we 1967 01:45:34.079 --> 01:45:35.119 isn't it on the website there? 1968 01:45:35.960 --> 01:45:41.640 The original one is again, the twenty fifteen one, not important, 1969 01:45:41.880 --> 01:45:45.359 not relevant to the current talking points. The one that 1970 01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:50.800 is actually important is after Isaac comes on. Right after 1971 01:45:50.840 --> 01:45:53.760 Isaac comes on, there's a new agreement. That's the one 1972 01:45:53.800 --> 01:45:55.920 that we need. That's the one that's a lot more 1973 01:45:55.960 --> 01:45:59.359 flushed out. I guarantee you that new agreement is not 1974 01:45:59.760 --> 01:46:02.079 too pages with an apostasy clause in it. 1975 01:46:02.119 --> 01:46:06.319 Okay, Uh, it might be well. 1976 01:46:06.079 --> 01:46:09.800 Yeah, so again Isaac, Isaac might not know. But nobody 1977 01:46:09.840 --> 01:46:12.920 as far as I'm aware, has seen the updated agreement 1978 01:46:13.039 --> 01:46:16.760 outside of you know, family and higher ups in the company. 1979 01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:20.159 Now that might be for legal reasons, right, they might 1980 01:46:20.239 --> 01:46:23.479 have a non disclose where nobody can publish it. It's 1981 01:46:23.479 --> 01:46:27.000 not public, right, so Lucas can't public at, Isaac can't 1982 01:46:27.039 --> 01:46:28.079 public publicize it. 1983 01:46:28.840 --> 01:46:29.039 You know. 1984 01:46:29.399 --> 01:46:32.079 Maybe that's a new clause in there, but I guarantee 1985 01:46:32.119 --> 01:46:35.920 you the new one is considerably more than two pages 1986 01:46:35.960 --> 01:46:38.560 with an apostasy clause libugging around. 1987 01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:40.159 Yeah, I haven't looked at it in a while. 1988 01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:41.760 Do you remember where it is off the top of 1989 01:46:41.800 --> 01:46:42.119 your head? 1990 01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:42.760 Uh? 1991 01:46:42.880 --> 01:46:45.560 I do not, because I think the well. 1992 01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:49.560 The claim is that obviously we're skipping over like the 1993 01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:50.239 big incident. 1994 01:46:50.279 --> 01:46:51.359 But we can come back to that. 1995 01:46:51.399 --> 01:46:53.760 But like the claim is like once he decided to resign, 1996 01:46:53.800 --> 01:46:56.880 like that's kind of the current evaluation when he resigned 1997 01:46:57.399 --> 01:46:59.520 is whatever percentage of his share. 1998 01:46:59.640 --> 01:47:02.800 Well, and that's the rumor, right, that's the drama. Essentially, 1999 01:47:02.920 --> 01:47:07.319 is is the valuation when Lucas leaves and it's worth 2000 01:47:07.359 --> 01:47:10.960 twenty million dollars or a year after Lucas is left 2001 01:47:11.039 --> 01:47:14.039 and now it's worth five million dollars. And the brothers 2002 01:47:14.079 --> 01:47:17.119 are saying, well, Lucas slandered the company to intentionally take 2003 01:47:17.199 --> 01:47:19.760 us down, So actually, we don't owe you what we 2004 01:47:19.800 --> 01:47:21.880 did owe you because you said naughty words to us 2005 01:47:21.960 --> 01:47:22.640 or something like that. 2006 01:47:23.720 --> 01:47:25.800 Are that's what he's owed, is what it seems like. 2007 01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:28.760 The claim is, Yeah, yep, that's what it is, based 2008 01:47:28.800 --> 01:47:31.520 on an evaluation. So we have been going and getting 2009 01:47:31.640 --> 01:47:35.319 valuations of the company. So that is something that we see. 2010 01:47:35.520 --> 01:47:42.399 Getting evaluations of the company implies a updated valuation implies 2011 01:47:42.439 --> 01:47:47.439 something that you're currently doing. Right, that's not his Like, listen, 2012 01:47:47.439 --> 01:47:50.279 all right, if I like owe my ex wife, you know, 2013 01:47:50.319 --> 01:47:53.000 if I'm going to divorce my wife, do I want 2014 01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:55.039 the company to be worth twenty million dollars or five 2015 01:47:55.079 --> 01:47:58.000 million dollars? Well, congratulations, I'm not going to show up 2016 01:47:58.000 --> 01:47:59.720 to work for the next two months and we'll see 2017 01:47:59.720 --> 01:48:02.840 what my evaluation is that and magically it's a lot lower, 2018 01:48:02.880 --> 01:48:04.720 and now I owe my ex wife way less, Like, 2019 01:48:04.800 --> 01:48:05.840 isn't that crazy? Dude? 2020 01:48:07.279 --> 01:48:10.039 We want very much to be over. And I think 2021 01:48:10.079 --> 01:48:11.760 we have done the lion's share of the work in 2022 01:48:11.800 --> 01:48:14.119 preparing all the documents and so forth. I mean that's understandable. 2023 01:48:14.119 --> 01:48:17.239 Whoever is running the companies, I definitely have does the 2024 01:48:17.239 --> 01:48:21.119 work of those collecting all those documents. But yeah, we've 2025 01:48:21.159 --> 01:48:24.680 now gotten multiple valuations from different certified evaluators. 2026 01:48:24.520 --> 01:48:27.239 So you have a verifiable number from a third party 2027 01:48:28.279 --> 01:48:30.479 for at the time when he resigned, and he's still 2028 01:48:30.520 --> 01:48:31.079 not taking that. 2029 01:48:31.479 --> 01:48:32.199 Is that what you're saying? 2030 01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:33.479 That is? 2031 01:48:33.640 --> 01:48:37.359 So there's so he didn't acknowledge at the time of resignation. 2032 01:48:38.000 --> 01:48:39.560 I don't know if that's true or not, but he's 2033 01:48:39.640 --> 01:48:43.640 acknowledging the time of resignation while saying that they're currently 2034 01:48:43.680 --> 01:48:46.439 getting evaluations, which one of those statements is true. No, no, 2035 01:48:46.439 --> 01:48:47.439 no idea is. 2036 01:48:47.399 --> 01:48:50.079 What I am saying. Or the conversation is ongoing. 2037 01:48:50.159 --> 01:48:52.840 None of the previous offers have been taken, so I. 2038 01:48:52.760 --> 01:48:56.439 Feel like, go ahead, Oh, I was gonna say. Some 2039 01:48:56.479 --> 01:49:00.039 people claim that, you know, you guys are trying to 2040 01:49:00.039 --> 01:49:04.079 to sell him the company or whatever, offer him what 2041 01:49:04.159 --> 01:49:06.560 the company would be at now, because oh, you guys 2042 01:49:06.600 --> 01:49:09.399 are are wait until the company's valued super low, because 2043 01:49:09.399 --> 01:49:12.000 you guys are doing terrible and trying to shortchange him 2044 01:49:12.039 --> 01:49:13.800 on on what he should be a kind of thing. 2045 01:49:14.800 --> 01:49:17.359 So it's it's more basical when he left, not like. 2046 01:49:17.479 --> 01:49:23.079 Now, well, when he left, remember that he had been 2047 01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:26.479 making Yeah, I'll just leave it there. When he left, 2048 01:49:26.560 --> 01:49:29.039 we were already we already had a pretty good idea 2049 01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:30.359 of the number. We already had a pretty good idea 2050 01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:32.600 of what he was going to do, and valuators have 2051 01:49:32.640 --> 01:49:36.079 access to all of that data, and multiple certified valuators 2052 01:49:36.119 --> 01:49:38.520 have come back with covers. So okay, that's that's all 2053 01:49:38.520 --> 01:49:39.079 they'll say. 2054 01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:45.199 So when Isaac says what he's going to do, right, 2055 01:49:45.319 --> 01:49:50.239 are they referencing this Instagram post, which is again, this 2056 01:49:50.319 --> 01:49:55.159 Instagram post is mostly benign, it's basically nothing. Now t 2057 01:49:55.279 --> 01:49:59.319 Rex arms video is a little more incendiary. And then 2058 01:49:59.399 --> 01:50:01.840 this forced is Lucas and his response. But again the 2059 01:50:01.840 --> 01:50:05.840 timeline of events is Lucas is benign Instagram post, t 2060 01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:10.159 Rex Arms response, Lucas response, t Rex response, right, and 2061 01:50:10.199 --> 01:50:13.039 then we have the fallout after that where we can 2062 01:50:13.079 --> 01:50:16.720 see how each channel is doing in terms of the 2063 01:50:16.760 --> 01:50:19.119 public YouTube metrics. 2064 01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:26.680 Briefly backtracking, let's let's let's talk about the incident the 2065 01:50:26.920 --> 01:50:32.479 sexual harassment claim just touch on that t rex Arms 2066 01:50:32.520 --> 01:50:35.680 does have a no tolerance policy for sexual harassment. 2067 01:50:35.680 --> 01:50:37.359 Correct, that is correct? 2068 01:50:38.039 --> 01:50:43.239 And is it also true that t rex Arms fired 2069 01:50:43.239 --> 01:50:48.399 it employee for watching porn pornographic material at their own 2070 01:50:48.439 --> 01:50:55.279 house on their own device before of five? Yeah, because 2071 01:50:55.279 --> 01:50:58.920 I think this controversy that it's been alleged that t 2072 01:50:59.039 --> 01:51:02.359 rex Arms fired in play for watching porn at their 2073 01:51:02.399 --> 01:51:06.079 own house and somehow d Rexcot went did that, fired 2074 01:51:06.079 --> 01:51:07.159 that employee for doing that. 2075 01:51:07.680 --> 01:51:09.439 And then this is the first time I'm hearing of it. 2076 01:51:09.720 --> 01:51:12.840 Fast forward to twenty twenty five. You have employees. 2077 01:51:12.920 --> 01:51:16.600 I believe that allegation came from Brandon Wombat. Let me 2078 01:51:16.600 --> 01:51:19.079 see if I can find the exact quote in here somewhere, 2079 01:51:19.119 --> 01:51:23.520 get off chat replay. Let's see here. It might take 2080 01:51:23.600 --> 01:51:29.119 me a moment to find the ladies and gentlemen. Ah, dude, dude, 2081 01:51:29.119 --> 01:51:34.840 it's got to be in here somewhere, I said Lucas. Yeah, 2082 01:51:34.880 --> 01:51:46.079 I can have that. Uhh uh huh uh. Well, so, 2083 01:51:46.279 --> 01:51:47.960 I mean this is the point so sped and A 2084 01:51:48.000 --> 01:51:49.159 five says Christian Company. 2085 01:51:49.159 --> 01:51:51.119 But you have that's a really good point. So I 2086 01:51:51.119 --> 01:51:53.039 would I actually really want to speak to this. So 2087 01:51:55.199 --> 01:51:59.239 if it were me anyone that so pornography and the 2088 01:51:59.319 --> 01:52:01.520 Cherson and the person world view if if you know, 2089 01:52:01.760 --> 01:52:05.119 if you're you don't share that same worldview is always 2090 01:52:05.479 --> 01:52:08.319 fornication or adultery. If you're in a committed relationship, it's adultery, 2091 01:52:08.479 --> 01:52:09.680 and if you're not, it's fornication. 2092 01:52:09.920 --> 01:52:12.880 That's that it's never justified and not only all of 2093 01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:14.439 the other considerations. 2094 01:52:13.800 --> 01:52:16.000 With you know, just you know how it you know, 2095 01:52:16.439 --> 01:52:17.560 looks down on women and all. 2096 01:52:17.560 --> 01:52:18.319 Those sorts of things. 2097 01:52:18.960 --> 01:52:23.119 So yeah, as as a Christian company, me personally, if 2098 01:52:23.119 --> 01:52:26.319 someone is engaging and actively in pornography, it's well, first stuff, 2099 01:52:26.359 --> 01:52:29.560 would get this person help and secondly if they're if 2100 01:52:29.560 --> 01:52:33.399 they're unrepentant, and fire them. But that is crossing legal bounds. 2101 01:52:33.399 --> 01:52:36.039 That yeah, So I don't know if if if Brandon 2102 01:52:36.039 --> 01:52:38.079 makes the claim that they did fire someone or that 2103 01:52:38.079 --> 01:52:40.880 they should fire someone who is consuming porn at home 2104 01:52:40.960 --> 01:52:41.600 or something like that. 2105 01:52:42.000 --> 01:52:44.479 Wee a son of one of the executives and pornographic 2106 01:52:44.520 --> 01:52:50.680 material to Luke's wife and that person was not fired immediately, 2107 01:52:50.720 --> 01:52:54.399 they were put on they were suspended or temporarily suspended. 2108 01:52:54.399 --> 01:52:56.399 While you guys did an investigation, and then later on 2109 01:52:56.439 --> 01:52:58.560 they were allowed to quit instead of being fired from 2110 01:52:58.640 --> 01:53:03.439 t Rex. People point to that as being a bad 2111 01:53:03.479 --> 01:53:05.479 look on t Rex's part. 2112 01:53:06.359 --> 01:53:11.640 I would say, both of those statements are incorrect. There, 2113 01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:12.520 they're both incorrect. 2114 01:53:12.640 --> 01:53:17.760 Yeah, okay, So how did that investigation go down where. 2115 01:53:18.159 --> 01:53:20.920 I was brought to your guys attention in the first place. 2116 01:53:21.720 --> 01:53:24.960 Well, this is one which I'm not going to talk about. 2117 01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:28.479 To talk about saying no comment is the assumption is 2118 01:53:28.479 --> 01:53:30.279 saying no comment is that you're admitting guilt. But in 2119 01:53:30.279 --> 01:53:33.399 this case, this is one of those where we're trying 2120 01:53:33.399 --> 01:53:35.279 to stick up for the privacy of a number of 2121 01:53:35.279 --> 01:53:39.760 individuals and the reputation of a number of individuals, including them. 2122 01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:42.720 But what are we even talking about here, Like the 2123 01:53:42.800 --> 01:53:47.119 privacy of individuals, Like nobody's asking you to name names, 2124 01:53:47.680 --> 01:53:50.840 and like everybody on the internet already knows about this. Yes, 2125 01:53:50.960 --> 01:53:56.840 somebody said three furry Hentai porn images to Lucas's wife, Like, 2126 01:53:56.960 --> 01:54:00.399 you're not protecting Lucas's privacy. You're not protecting the privacy 2127 01:54:00.439 --> 01:54:03.319 of his wife. The employee is fired and gone. We 2128 01:54:03.359 --> 01:54:06.840 don't need his name. I don't particularly care, right, none 2129 01:54:06.880 --> 01:54:09.279 of that is that issue the issue is you handling 2130 01:54:09.319 --> 01:54:12.640 it right. There's no there's no privacy concern. You know, 2131 01:54:12.680 --> 01:54:15.680 we're not asking for the guy's search history. Okay, I don't. 2132 01:54:15.760 --> 01:54:18.279 I don't want that information. Okay, I don't. I don't 2133 01:54:18.279 --> 01:54:20.840 need to know what he was into. There's again, there's 2134 01:54:20.880 --> 01:54:25.960 no privacy constraints here. There's no like, it's already out 2135 01:54:25.960 --> 01:54:29.119 there in the wild, bro Like, it's nothing Lucas. 2136 01:54:29.279 --> 01:54:32.399 So this is one that's Yeah. I'm not going to 2137 01:54:32.520 --> 01:54:36.359 get into the investigation or the incident, but I will 2138 01:54:36.359 --> 01:54:39.159 say the previous two statements were incorrect, and a lot 2139 01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:41.600 of the stuff that's being alleged on the internet is false, 2140 01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:44.479 and it's you know, the comments sessions have become a 2141 01:54:44.479 --> 01:54:45.199 game of telephone. 2142 01:54:45.600 --> 01:54:51.720 Sure, well, but what exactly is false? Though, because I'm 2143 01:54:51.760 --> 01:54:57.399 actually confused now, nobody, like even Brandon has said basically 2144 01:54:57.439 --> 01:55:01.840 the exact same thing that Lucas did. The guy sent 2145 01:55:02.439 --> 01:55:06.960 three furry Hentai images to Again, Brandon's seen the images. 2146 01:55:07.000 --> 01:55:11.239 I haven't too. Lucas's wife, Lucas brought it to the board. 2147 01:55:11.560 --> 01:55:14.079 It was a son of an executive. The son of 2148 01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:18.039 the executive got put on eighteen months of probation and 2149 01:55:18.159 --> 01:55:21.520 did not leave the slash get fired until after Lucas 2150 01:55:21.520 --> 01:55:25.359 decided to leave. Right, Hey, Vintage Warfare, who got his 2151 01:55:25.479 --> 01:55:27.600 channel back? Is hanging out in the chat. Hope you're 2152 01:55:27.600 --> 01:55:29.640 doing well tonight, sir. Glad to have you back. 2153 01:55:30.359 --> 01:55:33.880 So clearly this was one of the bigger points of 2154 01:55:33.920 --> 01:55:37.920 contention in the whole saga leading up to Lucas leaving. 2155 01:55:38.960 --> 01:55:40.920 Yep, don't send for your wife? Yep. 2156 01:55:42.399 --> 01:55:43.720 Do you think that was the straw that broke the 2157 01:55:43.720 --> 01:55:44.279 camel's back. 2158 01:55:46.520 --> 01:55:49.960 It was definitely the moment that Lucas decided to do 2159 01:55:50.039 --> 01:55:52.199 what he had been talking about for a very long time. 2160 01:55:52.600 --> 01:55:55.479 Okay, So in your opinion was. 2161 01:55:57.479 --> 01:56:02.439 Lucas was growing uh like discontent with the current ownership 2162 01:56:02.439 --> 01:56:04.479 of t Rix Arms, and it was something where he 2163 01:56:04.520 --> 01:56:05.840 was trying to force your guys's hand. 2164 01:56:06.920 --> 01:56:07.760 Is that your view on it? 2165 01:56:09.359 --> 01:56:10.760 I wanted to see what you guys were doing. We're 2166 01:56:10.760 --> 01:56:12.640 gonna do about it type of thing, or. 2167 01:56:15.239 --> 01:56:17.800 Oh man, isn't that annoying? 2168 01:56:17.840 --> 01:56:24.159 Isaac damn rephrased the question, try and come out a different. 2169 01:56:25.600 --> 01:56:29.960 Try again, please. That's like Isaac's like, yeah, I can't 2170 01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:34.319 answer that in a way that doesn't implement it implicate me, right, 2171 01:56:35.800 --> 01:56:39.119 just every every screenshot is beautiful, isn't it? Like every 2172 01:56:39.159 --> 01:56:40.600 single pause perfect? 2173 01:56:41.159 --> 01:56:42.600 I wanted to see what you guys were doing. We're 2174 01:56:42.600 --> 01:56:44.079 going to do about it type of thing. 2175 01:56:44.039 --> 01:56:55.239 Or well phrased, rephraised the question, try to come out 2176 01:56:55.279 --> 01:56:56.000 at a different angle. 2177 01:56:56.159 --> 01:57:01.399 Maybe in your opinion, was just do it again? 2178 01:57:01.720 --> 01:57:05.600 The way that it ended up with Lucas resigning, was 2179 01:57:05.640 --> 01:57:07.359 that a way of Lucas trying to call your guys's 2180 01:57:07.439 --> 01:57:11.199 bluff and take over control of t Rex arms, get 2181 01:57:11.199 --> 01:57:12.640 it back into his hands. 2182 01:57:13.000 --> 01:57:17.239 Obviously? Oh no, you guys don't all. I don't think 2183 01:57:17.279 --> 01:57:19.399 so at all. I don't think I think that he 2184 01:57:19.479 --> 01:57:23.800 understood that. I think at that point he understood that 2185 01:57:23.880 --> 01:57:27.560 we were going to stick together as as brothers and 2186 01:57:27.600 --> 01:57:29.720 as a family and stick with the team of t Rex. 2187 01:57:29.840 --> 01:57:32.159 Well. I love how he said we were going to 2188 01:57:32.199 --> 01:57:36.880 stick together as brothers and as a family. You know, 2189 01:57:38.119 --> 01:57:41.479 most of the brothers, not all of them, most of them, 2190 01:57:41.520 --> 01:57:44.720 you know most of the family, but not all of them. 2191 01:57:45.079 --> 01:57:45.319 I do. 2192 01:57:45.640 --> 01:57:48.960 I I hate it. It is sad, though, isn't It's like, yeah, 2193 01:57:48.960 --> 01:57:52.359 we're sticking together as a family when talking against one 2194 01:57:52.399 --> 01:57:56.479 of your own family members, you know, man, man, that's. 2195 01:57:56.359 --> 01:57:59.520 Rough at that point, so he was kind of trying 2196 01:57:59.520 --> 01:58:02.600 to flex that if he left, then t Rex would 2197 01:58:03.319 --> 01:58:03.960 go down the train. 2198 01:58:04.039 --> 01:58:14.039 Essentially, he'd been, that's putting it very mildly. 2199 01:58:14.920 --> 01:58:18.600 Oh no, he said it, So he does think that 2200 01:58:18.600 --> 01:58:22.960 that's tragic. Ah See, he tries so hard not to 2201 01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:24.680 say the thing, and then he just ends up saying 2202 01:58:24.720 --> 01:58:26.520 the thing, like you could have just saved just like 2203 01:58:26.560 --> 01:58:29.119 thirty seconds of our time when skip the squirming and 2204 01:58:29.159 --> 01:58:29.560 just say it. 2205 01:58:29.600 --> 01:58:39.560 Bro, he'd been, that's putting it very mildly. 2206 01:58:40.439 --> 01:58:41.439 Well, how would you say it? 2207 01:58:42.399 --> 01:58:43.079 I wouldn't say it. 2208 01:58:43.560 --> 01:58:45.760 You did say it. You did say it, though, that's 2209 01:58:45.760 --> 01:58:48.279 the problem. You literally did say it. You can't go 2210 01:58:48.439 --> 01:58:50.279 back now and be like, oh, I wouldn't say that. 2211 01:58:50.800 --> 01:58:54.479 After you say it's putting it mildly, bro, Well, how 2212 01:58:54.479 --> 01:58:55.199 would you say it? 2213 01:58:56.159 --> 01:58:58.119 I wouldn't say it, because he's the one where I 2214 01:58:58.159 --> 01:59:01.800 would just say. Lucas understood at that point that we 2215 01:59:01.880 --> 01:59:03.560 were going we were going to stick with the company, 2216 01:59:03.560 --> 01:59:05.199 and we were going to stick with our people. 2217 01:59:05.079 --> 01:59:08.239 And our people, our family. 2218 01:59:08.359 --> 01:59:10.520 That I think was the end of the negotiations, and 2219 01:59:10.560 --> 01:59:14.000 that was the end of the the pressure. 2220 01:59:14.760 --> 01:59:19.880 So to my understanding, the father or parent. I guess 2221 01:59:20.119 --> 01:59:22.000 we don't know the gender, but the parent of the 2222 01:59:22.039 --> 01:59:26.000 individual whom the investigation was surrounding had a lot of 2223 01:59:26.159 --> 01:59:30.119 conflict with Lucas and the media executive or social media 2224 01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:32.359 manager at t Rex. 2225 01:59:33.520 --> 01:59:36.720 Do you think again, the father of the person who 2226 01:59:36.760 --> 01:59:39.159 sent the porn to or Henti whatever it was. We 2227 01:59:39.159 --> 01:59:42.319 don't know what it was, but to Kara was an 2228 01:59:42.359 --> 01:59:45.720 executive at the company. So like, obviously there's some big 2229 01:59:45.760 --> 01:59:47.800 conflicts of interest going on here. 2230 01:59:48.640 --> 01:59:54.279 Maybe a motive for that situation to have occurred or 2231 01:59:54.920 --> 01:59:55.720 anything like that. 2232 01:59:57.560 --> 01:59:58.399 I'm not going to comment. 2233 01:59:59.079 --> 02:00:03.760 I will just say no, okay, I'm not going to comment. 2234 02:00:03.960 --> 02:00:09.760 No, I'm not going to comment beyond yeah, yeah, Do 2235 02:00:09.800 --> 02:00:12.720 you have any comments on maybe what the conflict was 2236 02:00:12.760 --> 02:00:15.800 between Lucas and the social media manager and the executive. 2237 02:00:16.840 --> 02:00:22.119 Oh, Isaac, dude, the pain, the pain that he's under. Guys, Like, 2238 02:00:22.159 --> 02:00:25.039 I'm getting secondhand cringe from watching Isaac, you know, like 2239 02:00:25.079 --> 02:00:27.760 I feel it in my chest a little bit, because 2240 02:00:28.239 --> 02:00:30.960 he's got to know at this point this is going 2241 02:00:31.039 --> 02:00:35.399 so badly. I've how many times, how many times Isaac 2242 02:00:35.439 --> 02:00:38.520 have I told you to shut up? How many times 2243 02:00:38.560 --> 02:00:41.159 have you not heeded my advice? And now look at you. 2244 02:00:44.000 --> 02:00:46.079 If you would only, if you'd only listen to Isaac, 2245 02:00:46.640 --> 02:00:48.479 if I could have saved you guys so much time 2246 02:00:48.520 --> 02:00:51.520 and money. All right, listen, all right. You know how 2247 02:00:51.560 --> 02:00:53.880 I said my fee was going to be sixty K 2248 02:00:54.520 --> 02:00:59.159 for my PR team right working on your case. It 2249 02:00:59.239 --> 02:01:01.119 goes up every time you do an interview. It is 2250 02:01:01.159 --> 02:01:03.359 now one hundred K for my retainer. I need a 2251 02:01:03.439 --> 02:01:08.159 one hundred thousand dollars retainer to be your guys's PR 2252 02:01:08.239 --> 02:01:10.760 firm here for this because you guys continually make it 2253 02:01:10.760 --> 02:01:13.399 harder and harder for me to do my job. Now, 2254 02:01:13.439 --> 02:01:17.399 my number one recommendation is still to shut up. It's 2255 02:01:17.399 --> 02:01:20.800 like that's my entire tagline, my entire business model. That's 2256 02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:22.920 how I'm going to fix your problem here. It's going 2257 02:01:23.000 --> 02:01:26.039 to be line one, shut up, Line two, figure out 2258 02:01:26.079 --> 02:01:28.319 how to pay Lucas, and then use all that goodwill 2259 02:01:28.359 --> 02:01:30.279 in marketing to say that we've done what we could 2260 02:01:30.319 --> 02:01:33.159 to satisfy Lucas best of luck in all of your endeavors, 2261 02:01:33.159 --> 02:01:35.680 good sir, and we are pushing forward with t rex 2262 02:01:35.760 --> 02:01:38.239 Arms as God intended or whatever. 2263 02:01:39.760 --> 02:01:43.560 I'm not going to comment on specifics, but it's Lucas 2264 02:01:43.680 --> 02:01:46.600 is very good at having conflict with people. So it's 2265 02:01:48.319 --> 02:01:49.920 it's very hard for me to try to figure out 2266 02:01:49.920 --> 02:01:53.680 what Lucas's conflict with different people is at different times good. 2267 02:01:54.720 --> 02:01:56.199 I mean, yeah, but that's a lot of people, Like 2268 02:01:56.239 --> 02:01:57.680 I mean, people would say that I have a lot 2269 02:01:57.720 --> 02:02:00.760 of conflict with people. That's boring. Come on, like what 2270 02:02:00.960 --> 02:02:04.960 specifically that's that's more entertaining because I know, and that's 2271 02:02:04.960 --> 02:02:07.039 even saying like conflict is a bad thing in and 2272 02:02:07.079 --> 02:02:09.720 of itself. Like if you're a CEO or a leadership 2273 02:02:09.760 --> 02:02:12.439 team or you're trying to get things done, Yep, you're 2274 02:02:12.439 --> 02:02:15.720 gonna push through some con some conflict. Okay, there's gonna 2275 02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:18.640 be some issues that arise and you have to resolve them. Okay, 2276 02:02:18.680 --> 02:02:20.760 that's kind of your job. That in. 2277 02:02:22.680 --> 02:02:25.199 On the stream that Brandon Wanbat did with Focus Trip, 2278 02:02:25.319 --> 02:02:27.520 he talked about Lucas just kind of had a problem 2279 02:02:27.560 --> 02:02:30.800 with a lot of people. Would you agree that's kind 2280 02:02:30.800 --> 02:02:33.399 of how it was, you know in the company culture, 2281 02:02:33.520 --> 02:02:35.079 Lucas just couldn't play nice with anybody. 2282 02:02:36.039 --> 02:02:39.960 Well, I'll say this, I'd say the second saddest thing 2283 02:02:39.960 --> 02:02:43.319 about all this is how much it has has the 2284 02:02:43.399 --> 02:02:48.000 damage has hurt people in the community. The second is 2285 02:02:48.000 --> 02:02:51.880 that Lucas is somebody who I would say, has he 2286 02:02:51.960 --> 02:02:56.000 benefits from having a team. I've rarely seen anybody who 2287 02:02:56.039 --> 02:02:58.880 is just like when when he has a team, a 2288 02:02:58.920 --> 02:03:01.640 good team around him, he's a very accomplished person, you 2289 02:03:01.680 --> 02:03:03.920 know what he's what he's good at. But he's well. 2290 02:03:04.159 --> 02:03:07.119 But is that even saying anything interesting, because of course 2291 02:03:07.199 --> 02:03:09.399 Lucas is better with the team. Everybody's better with the 2292 02:03:09.439 --> 02:03:11.760 team for the most part. Right, there's very few true 2293 02:03:11.920 --> 02:03:14.880 loaners out there that are actually just better on their 2294 02:03:14.920 --> 02:03:17.439 own being able to be that loan operator doing whatever 2295 02:03:17.439 --> 02:03:19.119 it is that they need to do, which is why 2296 02:03:19.279 --> 02:03:22.319 Lucas took five people from t Rex Arms and brought 2297 02:03:22.319 --> 02:03:24.800 on other people, you know, to help him with his 2298 02:03:24.840 --> 02:03:27.199 new stuff. And again, as he's moving into new spaces 2299 02:03:27.199 --> 02:03:30.520 and hiring new people, Lucas or sorry t Rex sorry 2300 02:03:30.520 --> 02:03:34.800 Freudian slipped there, t Rex Arms is laying people off, so. 2301 02:03:36.800 --> 02:03:39.479 Out the person who benefits immensely from having a team, 2302 02:03:39.920 --> 02:03:42.279 but it is also very hard for him to work 2303 02:03:42.319 --> 02:03:48.000 with a team. So it's a very it's a very uh, 2304 02:03:48.000 --> 02:03:50.079 it's an odd tension. But that's one of the really 2305 02:03:50.119 --> 02:03:53.760 sad things about the situation is. I believe that Lucas 2306 02:03:53.800 --> 02:03:56.960 had a really good team at t REX. 2307 02:03:59.000 --> 02:04:02.760 And another thing from the interview was Brandon claimed that 2308 02:04:02.960 --> 02:04:08.600 Lucas also had several fireball offenses that just never were mentioned, 2309 02:04:08.600 --> 02:04:09.159 and only. 2310 02:04:09.039 --> 02:04:10.800 Here we go, this is some more drama. 2311 02:04:10.800 --> 02:04:12.720 I like this to talk about what those were, And. 2312 02:04:14.399 --> 02:04:16.439 Well, I wouldn't say they serve us after he left. 2313 02:04:16.880 --> 02:04:19.119 Certain people found out about them after he left. I 2314 02:04:19.159 --> 02:04:23.760 do think that that is that's definitely our fault, as 2315 02:04:26.039 --> 02:04:28.239 as his brothers, but also just I would say the 2316 02:04:28.279 --> 02:04:30.960 larger team, there were ways in which we should have 2317 02:04:30.960 --> 02:04:33.520 been a better team to Lucas and held him accountable 2318 02:04:33.520 --> 02:04:34.159 for more things. 2319 02:04:34.960 --> 02:04:39.000 And damn, I mean this is going to be pretty 2320 02:04:39.039 --> 02:04:41.920 indicting here in a second. We should have held Lucas 2321 02:04:42.039 --> 02:04:45.560 accountable for his own actions. Again, what those actions are, 2322 02:04:46.159 --> 02:04:49.039 I believe I know one of them, and I think 2323 02:04:49.079 --> 02:04:51.760 it's been stated publicly before by other people in the 2324 02:04:51.800 --> 02:04:54.520 gun industry, like I think Mica Mayfield when he was 2325 02:04:54.560 --> 02:04:58.880 beefing with Lucas over basically nothing, stated it as well. 2326 02:04:58.920 --> 02:05:00.520 So you guys can go look up that drama if 2327 02:05:00.560 --> 02:05:03.520 you want. But again it's it's framed as like ah, 2328 02:05:03.560 --> 02:05:05.560 we should have been better big brothers, We should have 2329 02:05:05.560 --> 02:05:07.800 been better leaders, We should have held him accountable for 2330 02:05:07.840 --> 02:05:11.279 his own actions. It doesn't pay Lucas in a very 2331 02:05:11.359 --> 02:05:11.840 nice light. 2332 02:05:13.039 --> 02:05:16.439 I think that's always true in family relationships. In hindsight, 2333 02:05:17.279 --> 02:05:18.920 you wish your candle stuff better. But in this case, 2334 02:05:18.960 --> 02:05:23.079 in the in the very strictly business sense, that's definitely true. 2335 02:05:23.239 --> 02:05:25.199 Also, what were those things? 2336 02:05:26.159 --> 02:05:27.359 I will comment on what they were? 2337 02:05:27.600 --> 02:05:31.399 Okay, you can. 2338 02:05:31.479 --> 02:05:34.640 I don't want to repeat it because I don't have 2339 02:05:34.840 --> 02:05:39.159 the entire context of what was going on, but I 2340 02:05:39.159 --> 02:05:41.800 believe that it had to do with cars at a range, 2341 02:05:44.880 --> 02:05:47.520 So you guys can go. I think I think Micah Mayfield, 2342 02:05:47.720 --> 02:05:49.439 when he got into a tistle with Lucas like a 2343 02:05:49.560 --> 02:05:52.119 year ago, was told the whole story. 2344 02:05:52.159 --> 02:05:59.520 But yeah, remember we're I'm trying to protect people at 2345 02:05:59.560 --> 02:06:01.680 t REX. I'm also trying to protect people that are 2346 02:06:01.680 --> 02:06:02.520 no longer at t REX. 2347 02:06:05.039 --> 02:06:07.239 Wait what does he mean by that? Because there has 2348 02:06:07.319 --> 02:06:09.920 to be other things that he's alluding to here, like 2349 02:06:10.039 --> 02:06:15.920 him getting into verbal altercations with people at work, or 2350 02:06:16.359 --> 02:06:19.880 you know, because he's essentially like by not saying anything, 2351 02:06:19.960 --> 02:06:24.359 he's being very indicting, right, He's being very problematic. Right, 2352 02:06:26.359 --> 02:06:27.520 It's kind of. 2353 02:06:27.479 --> 02:06:31.119 An odd position, but I hope you understand, right, Yeah, it's. 2354 02:06:31.039 --> 02:06:33.119 A family thing, and I get that that's sensitive. You 2355 02:06:33.159 --> 02:06:34.880 have to play two sides of the same coin, and 2356 02:06:34.920 --> 02:06:36.119 I get that that's hard. 2357 02:06:37.199 --> 02:06:38.000 Yeah, for sure. 2358 02:06:38.079 --> 02:06:43.479 I mean the sentiment is commendable. Wanting to protect. Essentially, 2359 02:06:43.479 --> 02:06:47.319 you're kind of looking at, you know, protecting the person 2360 02:06:47.319 --> 02:06:50.880 who is trying to take down your company, and so 2361 02:06:51.439 --> 02:06:53.199 he kind of from the outside looking in is kind 2362 02:06:53.199 --> 02:06:57.720 of like, well, you're kind of balancing whether or not 2363 02:06:57.760 --> 02:07:02.840 you protect your brother or you allow your company to 2364 02:07:02.840 --> 02:07:03.399 get damaged. 2365 02:07:05.800 --> 02:07:09.399 Yeah, And then I think that's a third maybe the 2366 02:07:09.399 --> 02:07:11.680 third third thing that's really sad about this is this 2367 02:07:11.800 --> 02:07:14.039 year has been a really rough year for people in 2368 02:07:14.079 --> 02:07:17.159 the gun industry. It's an election year with the midterm elections. 2369 02:07:18.079 --> 02:07:21.119 There are a bunch of things that I think we 2370 02:07:21.399 --> 02:07:23.640 t Rex could have helped with with some specific companies 2371 02:07:23.720 --> 02:07:26.199 or some specific people running for office. If our reputation 2372 02:07:26.319 --> 02:07:29.039 hadn't been damaged by the slander, I think we would 2373 02:07:29.079 --> 02:07:31.960 have been in a position to help more people. So 2374 02:07:32.079 --> 02:07:34.039 that also makes it painful and difficult. 2375 02:07:34.079 --> 02:07:38.159 But when he says slander by Lucas, is he just 2376 02:07:38.279 --> 02:07:45.239 referring to the the preneup versus no preneup, the you know, 2377 02:07:45.319 --> 02:07:48.760 nobody wanted to hire Kara at the job. Like, is 2378 02:07:48.800 --> 02:07:51.560 that the only slander that they have about t Rex Arms, 2379 02:07:51.560 --> 02:07:55.960 Because that's it's so minor, it's so minimal, right, Like 2380 02:07:56.000 --> 02:07:58.520 I wouldn't even call that slander. And it's like, what 2381 02:07:58.560 --> 02:08:00.279 does he mean we'd be in a position to help 2382 02:08:00.319 --> 02:08:02.039 more people? Does he mean we'd be in a position 2383 02:08:02.079 --> 02:08:05.680 to make more money? Is that what he's talking about? Like, 2384 02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:09.439 we could help more people if we had more money, 2385 02:08:09.720 --> 02:08:14.560 you know, like made more money if Like I guess. 2386 02:08:13.960 --> 02:08:16.960 Lucas is still my brother to as much an extent 2387 02:08:17.000 --> 02:08:21.640 as possible. I am still on his team, and I 2388 02:08:21.680 --> 02:08:23.319 know he doesn't want to be on my team, but 2389 02:08:23.760 --> 02:08:26.359 that is the case. And it just is an extra 2390 02:08:26.439 --> 02:08:29.720 layer of complexity around the other business and politics and 2391 02:08:29.720 --> 02:08:31.600 stuff that we're trying to do as a company. For 2392 02:08:31.600 --> 02:08:33.000 for sure, how far? 2393 02:08:33.479 --> 02:08:34.560 How far will you let that go? 2394 02:08:36.680 --> 02:08:38.319 Will you ever let it get to a point where 2395 02:08:38.439 --> 02:08:45.439 t Rex's Arms the reputation is irreparable and you are 2396 02:08:45.479 --> 02:08:48.039 facing major layoffs and you're looking at a very bad situation. 2397 02:08:49.479 --> 02:08:51.920 Isaac is like, we just had a bunch of layoffs. 2398 02:08:51.960 --> 02:08:55.119 What are you talking about? We're down thirty employees. At 2399 02:08:55.199 --> 02:08:59.439 least we're already all you know that that cliff that 2400 02:08:59.439 --> 02:09:02.000 you're talking about, sir, we are already on the precipice 2401 02:09:02.039 --> 02:09:04.640 of it. And Isaac is just thinking to himself, Yeah, 2402 02:09:04.680 --> 02:09:07.520 how far do I run this? How far do we 2403 02:09:07.640 --> 02:09:11.720 as a company keep going even if it means laying 2404 02:09:11.720 --> 02:09:14.479 off everyone and being reduced to like twenty people? 2405 02:09:14.960 --> 02:09:15.119 Right? 2406 02:09:15.640 --> 02:09:20.840 Do we take t Rex Arms back to the family garage? Essentially? Right? 2407 02:09:21.800 --> 02:09:24.960 Versus saying you're so a good question of the story. 2408 02:09:26.960 --> 02:09:29.479 I don't have answer to that. I know I said 2409 02:09:29.479 --> 02:09:31.000 I'm not going to answer certain things, but this one, 2410 02:09:31.039 --> 02:09:36.640 I I tell you if I knew, damn, But I 2411 02:09:36.640 --> 02:09:37.439 don't know. That is a. 2412 02:09:39.600 --> 02:09:42.479 It's difficult, Yeah, it is difficult. You should think about that, 2413 02:09:42.520 --> 02:09:45.760 because again the whole point allegedly in this video here 2414 02:09:45.840 --> 02:09:52.000 of why you did not want to acquiesce two Lucas's demands. Actually, 2415 02:09:52.079 --> 02:09:53.720 let me see if I can find this quote in 2416 02:09:53.760 --> 02:09:58.319 here from I believe David. Let's go here and let's say, uh, 2417 02:09:58.359 --> 02:10:02.000 a fire or layout? Why does it always do that? 2418 02:10:02.279 --> 02:10:08.359 Or layoff? What if I lay off? Nothing can are 2419 02:10:08.359 --> 02:10:11.840 you ten, okay, because I think there there's a point 2420 02:10:11.880 --> 02:10:16.319 in the video an x ten x ten x ten ten. Yeah, yeah, 2421 02:10:16.319 --> 02:10:20.119 I know all that on flig ten percent because there 2422 02:10:20.199 --> 02:10:26.319 was a point here where he wanted to Here we gotion. 2423 02:10:27.159 --> 02:10:29.680 David and Isaac and I were getting together with our 2424 02:10:29.720 --> 02:10:33.720 wives in our homes and just praying and we. 2425 02:10:34.600 --> 02:10:36.560 I apologize for the jump. Scared. 2426 02:10:37.520 --> 02:10:41.199 We thought back to the early days and that first 2427 02:10:42.079 --> 02:10:45.720 first employee that we hired and how God then blessed 2428 02:10:45.760 --> 02:10:48.119 our heart to provide great jobs right here in our 2429 02:10:48.119 --> 02:10:51.439 local area. And Lucas at the time was saying things like, 2430 02:10:51.640 --> 02:10:53.359 you know, he was going to get rid of five 2431 02:10:53.359 --> 02:10:58.119 and seven executives and ten percent of the staff, not 2432 02:10:58.119 --> 02:11:00.319 not like a specific ten percent, but just because there's 2433 02:11:00.319 --> 02:11:07.239 always ten percent that are under performers, is his idea. 2434 02:11:07.439 --> 02:11:14.960 Which spoiler alert, that's the Brothers right, Sorry to break 2435 02:11:14.960 --> 02:11:18.159 it to you, that's the Brothers. So five out of 2436 02:11:18.199 --> 02:11:24.159 seven executives, all those guys are gone, and like ten employees, well, congratulations. 2437 02:11:24.359 --> 02:11:28.399 Instead of acquiescing to his demands and losing your own jobs, 2438 02:11:29.399 --> 02:11:33.479 you've now sacrificed to the jobs of heading towards half 2439 02:11:33.479 --> 02:11:38.479 of your workforce. Oops. Damn cool one. 2440 02:11:40.600 --> 02:11:42.000 Yeah it is. I mean, I mean, I don't I 2441 02:11:42.079 --> 02:11:43.920 definitely don't envy that position. I don't know what I 2442 02:11:43.920 --> 02:11:46.000 would do in that situation. But one of the quotes 2443 02:11:46.039 --> 02:11:48.880 that you guys had in your response video is you 2444 02:11:49.000 --> 02:11:52.960 talked about wanting to continue the mission and fighting for 2445 02:11:53.000 --> 02:11:53.600 your employees. 2446 02:11:53.640 --> 02:11:56.960 And you you guys were at around one hundred. 2447 02:11:56.760 --> 02:11:59.119 People one hundred yeah, push him on this one employees 2448 02:11:59.159 --> 02:12:01.600 at the time, and the statement that you guys said 2449 02:12:01.960 --> 02:12:04.920 was that you believe in those people and fighting for them. 2450 02:12:04.960 --> 02:12:08.359 And yeah, So, I mean the question needs to be 2451 02:12:08.399 --> 02:12:11.560 a little more pointed, a little more like how can 2452 02:12:11.600 --> 02:12:16.279 you justify fighting Lucas over ten percent of your staff 2453 02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:19.039 when you've now lost thirty percent of your staff? Like 2454 02:12:19.560 --> 02:12:22.000 do you think that actually protected the people at t Rex? 2455 02:12:22.359 --> 02:12:25.520 Do you think you actually did well by your employees right, 2456 02:12:26.319 --> 02:12:29.000 because you guys could go do something else, like David 2457 02:12:29.159 --> 02:12:34.359 was a bomb shelter or a doomsday shelter salesman before 2458 02:12:34.840 --> 02:12:37.800 Isaac has manufacturing and engineering experience, so he can go 2459 02:12:37.840 --> 02:12:40.600 do whatever he wants to do. Like instead of taking 2460 02:12:40.600 --> 02:12:45.079 the sacrifice on yourselves, you actually just basically kicked out 2461 02:12:45.119 --> 02:12:47.520 thirty to fifty employees of your own volition. 2462 02:12:47.680 --> 02:12:52.000 Basically, yeah, you believe that you t Rex was at 2463 02:12:52.000 --> 02:12:55.720 a position where no one person was dispensable anymore. 2464 02:12:56.880 --> 02:12:59.680 Yeah, and I would say we still believe that definitely. 2465 02:13:00.319 --> 02:13:02.119 In some ways, it would have been a harder conversation 2466 02:13:02.279 --> 02:13:04.680 with Lucas if t Rex were just like a widget 2467 02:13:04.680 --> 02:13:06.920 company or we made kitchen cabinets or something that didn't 2468 02:13:06.920 --> 02:13:09.079 have a mission attached to it. I guess there would 2469 02:13:09.079 --> 02:13:10.840 still be the people that would still be the people 2470 02:13:10.840 --> 02:13:12.680 to think of. But because t Rex does have this 2471 02:13:12.760 --> 02:13:18.119 mission that we the whole team believes in very very 2472 02:13:18.119 --> 02:13:21.960 seriously and very strongly, that that made it much easier to. 2473 02:13:22.119 --> 02:13:24.239 The whole team that's left say we. 2474 02:13:24.199 --> 02:13:26.479 Do want to stick with this, and we do want 2475 02:13:26.520 --> 02:13:30.960 to keep keep pushing not just to make great gear, 2476 02:13:31.079 --> 02:13:33.680 but keep pushing on the larger mission and the larger 2477 02:13:33.720 --> 02:13:37.680 aspects of that that that mission. So yeah, it's it's 2478 02:13:37.680 --> 02:13:42.039 something that we do we do take very seriously. So 2479 02:13:42.079 --> 02:13:46.760 it's it is a very complicated situation. If if yeah, 2480 02:13:46.920 --> 02:13:50.199 family drama on the internet from just kind of you know, 2481 02:13:50.239 --> 02:13:54.600 one direction is threatening that that mission that becomes becomes 2482 02:13:54.720 --> 02:13:59.159 very difficult, That would become a very difficult question to answer. 2483 02:14:00.079 --> 02:14:02.239 Yeah, well it's going to get more and more difficult. 2484 02:14:02.279 --> 02:14:06.960 I don't think there's anything else super interesting in here, guys. 2485 02:14:07.039 --> 02:14:08.720 I want to thank everyone for hanging out for two 2486 02:14:08.720 --> 02:14:10.079 and a half hours, but that is the end of this. 2487 02:14:10.279 --> 02:14:13.039 I'm just kidding. We're going to go ahead and move 2488 02:14:13.119 --> 02:14:18.600 on from there. My apologies. Now, one thing that I 2489 02:14:18.640 --> 02:14:21.760 do want to say is that again, if we talk 2490 02:14:21.800 --> 02:14:25.960 about who's winning in all of this, damn can't talk, 2491 02:14:26.760 --> 02:14:29.399 it's not t rex Arms. At least as far as 2492 02:14:29.399 --> 02:14:33.640 social media goes, it is going to be Lucas Botkan. 2493 02:14:34.039 --> 02:14:36.880 His channel, his social media posts are going to be 2494 02:14:37.000 --> 02:14:40.439 far and away doing better than whatever t rex Arms 2495 02:14:40.479 --> 02:14:43.239 is cooking up. T rex Arms is laying people off, 2496 02:14:43.680 --> 02:14:45.600 and that's a big problem, all right. You got a lot, 2497 02:14:45.640 --> 02:14:47.520 a lot of people to take care of and they 2498 02:14:47.560 --> 02:14:52.840 ain't got no way to help them all right now. Also, 2499 02:14:52.880 --> 02:14:54.520 one least thing that I did want to say about 2500 02:14:54.520 --> 02:14:57.560 this video with Isaac is that he does make a 2501 02:14:57.680 --> 02:15:04.560 rather emotional appeal to Luke is to call mom and dad. Now, 2502 02:15:04.800 --> 02:15:07.640 that sounds very heartfelt, that sounds very nice, And of 2503 02:15:07.640 --> 02:15:10.560 course I understand that, you know, as someone with aging parents, 2504 02:15:10.600 --> 02:15:12.960 you do have limited time with them, and you should 2505 02:15:13.560 --> 02:15:16.239 attempt to honor them as much as you can and 2506 02:15:16.560 --> 02:15:20.479 to you know, be there for them as they were 2507 02:15:20.520 --> 02:15:23.039 there for you. But I also believe that there might 2508 02:15:23.079 --> 02:15:28.600 be a underlying issue here that the father, the way 2509 02:15:28.600 --> 02:15:32.479 that he views t rex Arms might be more of 2510 02:15:32.520 --> 02:15:35.479 a family business and not a Lucas business. Something that 2511 02:15:35.520 --> 02:15:38.720 I do want to point out is I want to 2512 02:15:38.760 --> 02:15:43.239 say this video right here, this is the one. Nope, 2513 02:15:43.239 --> 02:15:46.079 not that one. That's that's my comment. I don't care 2514 02:15:46.119 --> 02:15:49.640 about that. This one. Uh okay, So yeah, I didn't 2515 02:15:49.680 --> 02:15:52.920 even know these guys existed. Lucas was t rex Arms. 2516 02:15:52.960 --> 02:15:56.359 And that's another sentiment that Isaac does not share. Isaac 2517 02:15:56.399 --> 02:15:59.319 believes that t rex Arms is bigger than any one person. 2518 02:15:59.760 --> 02:16:01.680 All again, as far as the Internet and as far 2519 02:16:01.720 --> 02:16:04.640 as most of the public is concerned, Lucas Botkin and 2520 02:16:04.800 --> 02:16:08.600 t rex Arms are synonymous, so they're not separable. And 2521 02:16:08.680 --> 02:16:11.039 if you behave in this way, it's not gonna go 2522 02:16:11.079 --> 02:16:13.319 well for you. All right, guys, Well, let's get to 2523 02:16:13.359 --> 02:16:16.680 some of your guys's support. I apologize for making you 2524 02:16:16.680 --> 02:16:20.239 guys wait for so long. Also, we are going to 2525 02:16:20.439 --> 02:16:22.159 because it is Friday, night, We're gonna do something a 2526 02:16:22.199 --> 02:16:25.359 little different, a little more fun. Hopefully, we are going 2527 02:16:25.399 --> 02:16:29.520 to be having a Friday night community games Halo master 2528 02:16:29.600 --> 02:16:32.280 Chief collection. All right, if you don't have it, that's 2529 02:16:32.319 --> 02:16:35.639 too bad. I've been dropping the discord link in chat. 2530 02:16:35.680 --> 02:16:38.760 We are going to be playing a real game instead 2531 02:16:38.799 --> 02:16:41.040 of all this cringe nonsense. But before we do that, 2532 02:16:41.120 --> 02:16:44.079 let's go ahead and get to your guys's support as 2533 02:16:44.120 --> 02:16:50.239 you guys fill up and populate the that's a good one, 2534 02:16:50.280 --> 02:16:52.719 right there. Actually, let us show this on screen. This 2535 02:16:52.840 --> 02:16:58.360 is funny. Actually we'll switch to this one. There we go. Yeah, 2536 02:16:58.559 --> 02:17:00.399 that's kind of the vibe that I'm getting. But let 2537 02:17:00.399 --> 02:17:03.040 me go ahead and get to your guys's support, and 2538 02:17:03.079 --> 02:17:05.719 then we'll play some Halo. I did have some rage bait, 2539 02:17:05.959 --> 02:17:08.000 but I feel like that was enough rage bait for 2540 02:17:08.000 --> 02:17:12.719 one night, Right, you guys don't need any more rage bait, right? 2541 02:17:13.639 --> 02:17:15.799 That was surely that that was probably more than I 2542 02:17:15.840 --> 02:17:19.280 could personally take, honestly. All right, let's get back down 2543 02:17:19.319 --> 02:17:22.120 here to the bottom. Where do I even start? Bro 2544 02:17:22.239 --> 02:17:24.799 there's so many Okay, here we go, Here we go. 2545 02:17:25.479 --> 02:17:30.719 The Handsome Horse for twenty dollars says we made it gents, 2546 02:17:30.879 --> 02:17:34.879 Big Toe Money, Friday, Bree Dugan and christ Is King. 2547 02:17:34.959 --> 02:17:37.520 Christ Is King, thank you very much. And something that 2548 02:17:37.559 --> 02:17:39.600 you should do, of course, to be slightly positive here 2549 02:17:39.639 --> 02:17:42.959 at the end is you should pray for reconciliation between 2550 02:17:43.000 --> 02:17:47.079 the family. Pray that Lucas gets what he needs in 2551 02:17:47.200 --> 02:17:51.920 terms of financial compensation. And you shouldn't want the t 2552 02:17:52.079 --> 02:17:57.280 Rex Arms employees to be unduly damaged, right, you should 2553 02:17:57.280 --> 02:18:03.639 want them to have some level of success. But uh yeah, 2554 02:18:03.799 --> 02:18:05.600 it's just it's it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be 2555 02:18:05.600 --> 02:18:07.559 tough for a little while. Uh, let me see if 2556 02:18:07.600 --> 02:18:11.040 I can find it though, because I'm on obs. Oh, 2557 02:18:11.079 --> 02:18:13.520 here's the Big Toe Money playlist? Is this gonna open up? 2558 02:18:13.760 --> 02:18:16.639 Here's all of the videos on Big Toe Money. Uh shoot, 2559 02:18:16.680 --> 02:18:19.920 what the heck dude, how many Big Toe moneies do 2560 02:18:20.000 --> 02:18:27.440 you have? Want's listen to this one? Oh oh, this 2561 02:18:27.520 --> 02:18:28.959 is like the O g One. I don't think we've 2562 02:18:29.000 --> 02:18:35.079 heard this one in a long time. Broy Take money. 2563 02:18:35.200 --> 02:18:37.959 It's big Toe Money. This song that is summer ship. 2564 02:18:38.120 --> 02:18:41.399 You here we go, wata stay with no shoes on? 2565 02:18:42.360 --> 02:18:44.440 I need his feet one too gone? 2566 02:18:45.200 --> 02:18:47.959 Take money, Big Toe Money. This is a song. That 2567 02:18:48.120 --> 02:18:48.799 is summer shit. 2568 02:18:48.959 --> 02:18:49.920 You know it's funny. 2569 02:18:50.600 --> 02:18:52.159 Want to stay with no shoes on? 2570 02:18:52.920 --> 02:18:55.120 Oh I need his feet wan too gone. 2571 02:18:55.479 --> 02:18:56.600 My feet feel good? 2572 02:18:56.840 --> 02:18:58.360 Your feet what they should y'all. 2573 02:18:58.280 --> 02:19:01.399 Just sitting in the grass with a cigaret. Take money, 2574 02:19:01.440 --> 02:19:04.680 big Tom. That's a good one. Thank you very much 2575 02:19:04.680 --> 02:19:07.440 for that. That is incredibly based of you, handsome horse. 2576 02:19:08.000 --> 02:19:12.319 Cody Fisher also for twenty dollars, says Romans eight eleven, 2577 02:19:12.360 --> 02:19:14.680 which is, and if the spirit of Him who raised 2578 02:19:14.719 --> 02:19:17.040 Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who 2579 02:19:17.120 --> 02:19:19.959 raised Christ from the dead will also give life to 2580 02:19:20.040 --> 02:19:24.000 your mortal bodies because of his spirit who lives in you. 2581 02:19:24.200 --> 02:19:27.280 Thank you very much for that, Cody, very based of you. 2582 02:19:27.360 --> 02:19:29.639 But now we have to pick. What's another one? Should 2583 02:19:29.639 --> 02:19:38.399 we do? Big toe country ballad. I've never heard this one. 2584 02:19:40.680 --> 02:19:49.159 There we go, Jack money, Big toe Money is the 2585 02:19:49.319 --> 02:19:50.479 song of smersh. 2586 02:19:51.000 --> 02:19:54.639 You know, it's fun, walk all stay even, no shoes on, 2587 02:19:55.399 --> 02:20:00.879 Hall on the street, Boom two go, Jack Money. Job 2588 02:20:01.200 --> 02:20:02.959 is the song of the summer. 2589 02:20:02.719 --> 02:20:05.879 Shoe you know it's fun, walk all stage and no 2590 02:20:06.159 --> 02:20:06.920 shoes on. 2591 02:20:07.360 --> 02:20:08.959 This is pretty good. Yeah, pature with. 2592 02:20:10.639 --> 02:20:11.840 My feet feel good? 2593 02:20:12.159 --> 02:20:12.879 Your feet well? 2594 02:20:13.040 --> 02:20:17.600 Sabardic Psycho for two says, wtf is going on? Well, 2595 02:20:18.040 --> 02:20:20.399 we started a half hour early and it did not work. 2596 02:20:20.760 --> 02:20:23.799 Amuri Boy for five says John being early is as 2597 02:20:23.879 --> 02:20:27.000 bad as being late, bad John, Did no one teach 2598 02:20:27.079 --> 02:20:30.559 you that manners maketh Man? Thank you very much for that, 2599 02:20:30.639 --> 02:20:35.239 Amuri Boy. Zany Co for two says, Sunday is almost here, 2600 02:20:35.280 --> 02:20:37.079 and I know that he's trying to lure me to 2601 02:20:37.200 --> 02:20:40.520 a barbecue. Ain't gonna happen, bro, No barbecue in this guy, 2602 02:20:40.559 --> 02:20:40.879 all right? 2603 02:20:41.680 --> 02:20:41.799 Uh? 2604 02:20:42.200 --> 02:20:45.719 Art vandal A for two says, just shut up. Focus 2605 02:20:45.879 --> 02:20:50.479 Branding LLC. Yeah, something like that, Focus PR Firm, Trip 2606 02:20:50.600 --> 02:20:53.360 PR Limited, something like that could be funny. Thank you, 2607 02:20:53.680 --> 02:20:58.639 Art Vandala Lightspore for two says Bully and waws that say, Jiff, 2608 02:20:59.520 --> 02:21:01.840 is it good? Are we saying gift now? Is that 2609 02:21:01.959 --> 02:21:04.600 the new thing? That's what we're fighting about? Gift versus 2610 02:21:04.719 --> 02:21:08.719 Jeff fair enough? Zany Co for five says, as I 2611 02:21:08.840 --> 02:21:11.479 posted on X, Lucas is the only thing that might 2612 02:21:11.600 --> 02:21:15.040 save their sinking ship. Ego can destroy them off oh 2613 02:21:15.200 --> 02:21:18.879 real quick. I think if Lucas comes back, it would 2614 02:21:18.920 --> 02:21:21.479 be an overall boon to sales. But I think that 2615 02:21:21.600 --> 02:21:23.719 there is a little bit of a tainted nature of 2616 02:21:23.799 --> 02:21:27.520 t rex arms. Now it's complicated though, Okay, I feel 2617 02:21:27.559 --> 02:21:29.239 like there could be some value to him coming back though, 2618 02:21:29.280 --> 02:21:32.399 for sure. Dick Cheney's Heart for five says, Isaac is 2619 02:21:32.440 --> 02:21:35.520 going to have to go full Novesky out of desperation 2620 02:21:35.959 --> 02:21:38.760 and start squatting on pumpkins to try to boost sales 2621 02:21:38.799 --> 02:21:42.239 and views. He's seen the success of big toe money. Yep, 2622 02:21:42.319 --> 02:21:44.719 he could always become a feet model. A feet model 2623 02:21:44.840 --> 02:21:49.200 is always out there, yeas DG for five. Glad to 2624 02:21:49.239 --> 02:21:52.600 see you back, sir. How does Isaac simultaneously have that 2625 02:21:52.840 --> 02:21:56.840 much hair and that much forehead? Isaac is a man 2626 02:21:57.200 --> 02:22:00.399 of many skills. All right, where's the funny one? Where 2627 02:22:00.440 --> 02:22:01.600 did I put that one? And I put it here? 2628 02:22:01.680 --> 02:22:01.799 There? 2629 02:22:01.799 --> 02:22:02.000 It is? 2630 02:22:03.000 --> 02:22:06.639 H Zanyko for two says Lucas has been more open 2631 02:22:06.760 --> 02:22:12.319 and professional than these fucks. It's it's almost like a 2632 02:22:12.399 --> 02:22:15.239 bit of a dilemma here because you are very open, 2633 02:22:17.159 --> 02:22:21.479 but in trying to be quote unquote professional, you just 2634 02:22:21.559 --> 02:22:24.399 appear to be slanderous and retarded. So like, if you're 2635 02:22:24.399 --> 02:22:27.159 gonna go public, just go public, right, no half measures here, 2636 02:22:27.239 --> 02:22:28.920 Let's just do the thing. Let's just get it on 2637 02:22:30.760 --> 02:22:34.719 tap rack. Stovepipe for five says reminder, sig sucks. Also, 2638 02:22:34.879 --> 02:22:37.360 t Rex Arms wasn't even that cool to begin with. 2639 02:22:37.920 --> 02:22:40.600 This is literally drama. To have drama, all of you 2640 02:22:40.680 --> 02:22:45.680 people need lives, Jass. I don't think it's drama just 2641 02:22:45.760 --> 02:22:47.959 to have drama. I mean, we're talking about a twenty 2642 02:22:48.040 --> 02:22:51.360 million dollar company fighting it out. We're talking about one 2643 02:22:51.639 --> 02:22:55.879 of the most influential figures in the gun tube space. 2644 02:22:55.920 --> 02:22:57.600 I'm not going to say the gun industry as a whole, 2645 02:22:57.600 --> 02:23:01.200 although he has been influential there as well, but there 2646 02:23:01.319 --> 02:23:04.879 is no doubt about it. Lucas Botkin is one of 2647 02:23:04.959 --> 02:23:08.600 the most influential figures in the rise of gun tube 2648 02:23:08.959 --> 02:23:12.280 and there are tens of thousands of people who have 2649 02:23:12.399 --> 02:23:15.639 gotten into shooting or been helped in their shooting because 2650 02:23:15.680 --> 02:23:20.239 of Lucas Botkin. That cannot be understated. The Showguns show 2651 02:23:20.399 --> 02:23:23.319 journer for five says funny the schisms happening in the 2652 02:23:23.440 --> 02:23:28.840 non juice families. I mean, again, the Botkins are an 2653 02:23:28.879 --> 02:23:31.200 interesting bunch. Okay, there's maybe we should just do a 2654 02:23:31.280 --> 02:23:34.319 Botkan segment where we just go over like old Botkan 2655 02:23:34.440 --> 02:23:36.559 videos and whatnot. That could be literally just a fun, 2656 02:23:36.719 --> 02:23:39.399 entertaining stream with no value to anyone other than the 2657 02:23:39.440 --> 02:23:42.159 fact that it's funny. Amuri Oh shoot, damn it, I 2658 02:23:42.239 --> 02:23:44.319 lost my place. Oh that's gonna be forever. 2659 02:23:45.200 --> 02:23:45.360 Uh. 2660 02:23:45.799 --> 02:23:49.639 Amuri Boy for two says t Rex Equals November November 2661 02:23:49.760 --> 02:23:53.879 Indigo Golf Golf, Echo Romeo Sierra, There you go, thank you. 2662 02:23:54.079 --> 02:23:57.879 I'm all right, boy Zandi Koperto says, bring on Lucas. 2663 02:23:58.440 --> 02:24:02.200 Ask if he thinks they have the dollars. Well, they 2664 02:24:02.280 --> 02:24:05.200 might not have the cash, but they can like do 2665 02:24:05.280 --> 02:24:08.319 a payment plan. They can sell some equity. They can 2666 02:24:08.920 --> 02:24:11.399 bring on a third party buyer. They can do lots 2667 02:24:11.399 --> 02:24:13.879 of things, right, because Lucas's shares have value in and 2668 02:24:13.959 --> 02:24:17.360 of themselves. So if they bring on a third party buyer, 2669 02:24:18.559 --> 02:24:21.360 some company or individual to buy his shares, plus come 2670 02:24:21.479 --> 02:24:23.840 up with cash plus payment plan or something like that, right, 2671 02:24:23.879 --> 02:24:26.120 they can make it work. I'm sure. Like listen, they've 2672 02:24:26.159 --> 02:24:28.520 got access to the books, they've got access to equity 2673 02:24:28.559 --> 02:24:30.280 and capital. They can make it happen. They can take 2674 02:24:30.280 --> 02:24:31.440 it a loan if they really wanted to. 2675 02:24:31.639 --> 02:24:31.760 Right. 2676 02:24:32.920 --> 02:24:35.639 The point is that they don't want to. Amuri Boy 2677 02:24:35.719 --> 02:24:39.040 for five says the people the Batkins associate with are 2678 02:24:39.079 --> 02:24:41.559 the ones who end up making all followers of Christ 2679 02:24:41.719 --> 02:24:45.440 look bad. Lucas is smart to have went his own path. 2680 02:24:46.639 --> 02:24:48.840 Well again, I don't know if I would go that far, 2681 02:24:49.600 --> 02:24:52.680 but there are some interesting things in the past. Okay, 2682 02:24:53.120 --> 02:24:55.799 copper Tone for many two dollars. By the way, he 2683 02:24:55.920 --> 02:24:58.280 sent one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, two dollars 2684 02:24:58.319 --> 02:25:01.959 super checks in a row, says n I double g 2685 02:25:02.600 --> 02:25:05.840 E R smiley face. Thank you, coppertone. I saw those 2686 02:25:05.879 --> 02:25:09.200 coming in very base of you. Thank you. Crimpin ain't 2687 02:25:09.239 --> 02:25:14.079 easy for ten, says I appreciate your objectivity. Today, streams 2688 02:25:14.200 --> 02:25:17.479 like this feel authentic and remain Christian. They're the reason 2689 02:25:17.600 --> 02:25:20.440 I spend time in this space while I work. Christ 2690 02:25:20.639 --> 02:25:23.360 Is King well, Crimpin at easy. I am glad that 2691 02:25:23.440 --> 02:25:26.760 you appreciate the content. I'm glad that you thought that 2692 02:25:26.840 --> 02:25:29.120 I was objective. I mean, I would just say that 2693 02:25:29.319 --> 02:25:33.559 I'm not objective. I'm biased, right. I've talked to Lucas 2694 02:25:33.840 --> 02:25:36.440 more than I've talked to Isaac. I don't have any 2695 02:25:36.959 --> 02:25:40.959 ill will towards either, really, but I also have Maybe 2696 02:25:42.000 --> 02:25:46.040 I'm a younger brother to much older brothers, and I 2697 02:25:46.319 --> 02:25:49.799 perhaps have not dealt with the same types of circumstances, 2698 02:25:49.879 --> 02:25:53.040 but the similar feelings run a muck. Let's say so, 2699 02:25:53.319 --> 02:25:55.360 I do have some of that in common with Lucas. 2700 02:25:55.959 --> 02:25:59.319 Polly b for two dollars says coppertone is a patriot. Yes, 2701 02:25:59.360 --> 02:26:04.200 of course, is a says make Lucas show toes right 2702 02:26:05.399 --> 02:26:09.479 the lightspore says Grape Isaac Potkin till he all right, 2703 02:26:09.600 --> 02:26:13.680 that's a weird one, Thank you, Lightspore. Amuri Boy for 2704 02:26:13.760 --> 02:26:17.120 ten dollars says, go doctor once again with the bad takes. 2705 02:26:17.280 --> 02:26:21.239 Sometimes a family relationship is so unhealthy and so corrupted 2706 02:26:21.600 --> 02:26:23.680 that it is best to leave. Not to mention that 2707 02:26:23.760 --> 02:26:26.959 a husband has a duty to keep his own family together. Yes, 2708 02:26:28.000 --> 02:26:30.159 that's very true. You do have to protect your own 2709 02:26:31.000 --> 02:26:34.000 zany Coo for two says poll please Jake or Lucas's toes. 2710 02:26:34.079 --> 02:26:36.520 We did that. Jake did win handily. I might add 2711 02:26:36.879 --> 02:26:41.079 Chud mcgilfertwo says codiacs IQ makes too many choices. Look white. 2712 02:26:41.280 --> 02:26:46.920 Ooh damn Kodiak getting graped in the chat. C Runner 2713 02:26:46.959 --> 02:26:51.000 for five says white Western Eastern Orthodox bros need to 2714 02:26:51.040 --> 02:26:54.559 be publicly shamed, especially the ones we like, such as Focus. 2715 02:26:54.639 --> 02:26:57.440 We are a Protestant nation. Enough with the larp. Yeah, 2716 02:26:57.600 --> 02:26:59.680 I mean that's a very gay take. It's the same 2717 02:26:59.760 --> 02:27:03.879 thing that people would say, well, actually Europeans are pagans, 2718 02:27:03.920 --> 02:27:05.840 so we should all be pagans because we were started 2719 02:27:05.879 --> 02:27:08.559 as a pagan. Erm actually to be a true German 2720 02:27:08.719 --> 02:27:12.280 socialist aryan LARPer. I'm actually going to pray to Odin now, okay, 2721 02:27:12.319 --> 02:27:15.799 because that's our history. That's not important to me. Right, 2722 02:27:16.399 --> 02:27:20.920 the founding values of America, which suck, by the way, 2723 02:27:21.879 --> 02:27:26.239 their liberal their enlightenment, they led exactly where we are now. Right, 2724 02:27:27.120 --> 02:27:30.280 not interested in that. I'm interested in the truth, and 2725 02:27:30.440 --> 02:27:33.719 if the truth happens to be Orthodoxy, then so be it, 2726 02:27:34.159 --> 02:27:37.159 no matter your public shaming. Like imagine how cringe that is. Oh, 2727 02:27:37.239 --> 02:27:39.680 I can't be orthodox because my chat will shame me. 2728 02:27:40.200 --> 02:27:42.639 It's like you're going to deny Christ for your chat. 2729 02:27:43.959 --> 02:27:48.079 That's cringe. That's really gay. That's what's actually gay. Copper 2730 02:27:48.159 --> 02:27:51.920 Tone for two says new t Rex Arms says trans Rights. 2731 02:27:52.479 --> 02:27:55.360 I don't know if it's that bad. Krimpin ain't easy 2732 02:27:55.479 --> 02:27:58.479 for ten says with the are you a Christian question? 2733 02:27:58.719 --> 02:28:02.200 Go back to the council that decided Christ to tokos 2734 02:28:02.360 --> 02:28:06.239 versus theotokos really make it obscure law. We would call ours, 2735 02:28:06.360 --> 02:28:10.799 we could call ourselves cool names like Pharisees and gate keep. Well, 2736 02:28:12.799 --> 02:28:17.280 that's the thing. The church historically had the ability to 2737 02:28:17.399 --> 02:28:20.159 say who was and was not Christians? Right, So, for instance, 2738 02:28:20.719 --> 02:28:25.159 the one of the earliest heresies would be either arianism 2739 02:28:25.479 --> 02:28:28.760 or a judaizing heresy that was in the Book of 2740 02:28:28.840 --> 02:28:31.040 Acts of course, right, that's the first council is the 2741 02:28:31.079 --> 02:28:34.159 Council of Jerusalem where James is a bishop, and they 2742 02:28:34.239 --> 02:28:38.760 decide that, actually, we don't need to circumcise gentiles anymore. 2743 02:28:38.879 --> 02:28:41.040 That's not a thing that's been fulfilled. It is not 2744 02:28:41.239 --> 02:28:44.280 a requirement for them to enter the church, right, And 2745 02:28:44.399 --> 02:28:46.639 that is one of the first descriptions that they have. 2746 02:28:47.159 --> 02:28:49.600 And so if somebody was saying, oh, you still need 2747 02:28:49.719 --> 02:28:52.159 to be circumcised, then they would actually be kicked out 2748 02:28:52.200 --> 02:28:54.520 of the church, right, they would not be considered Christian. 2749 02:28:55.959 --> 02:28:58.360 Art Vandalay for five says how else do you enforce 2750 02:28:58.520 --> 02:29:00.479 those apostasy clauses with prayer? 2751 02:29:00.600 --> 02:29:00.799 Time? 2752 02:29:00.959 --> 02:29:07.200 Think people think true? A Snogun Show journal for twenty 2753 02:29:07.360 --> 02:29:10.799 dollars says, bring the Natty big Toe money for the peeps. 2754 02:29:11.200 --> 02:29:15.319 Jake can puff a British cigarette also known as a faggot. 2755 02:29:15.399 --> 02:29:18.120 Now let's see, I gotta find what's another one though, 2756 02:29:18.280 --> 02:29:22.200 big toe money, pirate shanty, This could be good, right. 2757 02:29:25.479 --> 02:29:30.239 Pocket toing gold socket, stumble on stage, bare feet, whole 2758 02:29:30.360 --> 02:29:34.479 crowd stop, can't stop it, big toe flash, I lock it, 2759 02:29:34.639 --> 02:29:38.319 blue line cash, I clocke it, the shoes don' missing 2760 02:29:38.479 --> 02:29:40.280 finomic colin. 2761 02:29:40.200 --> 02:29:42.520 I rocket or I need to speak boy? 2762 02:29:43.319 --> 02:29:45.680 Need is the one step than two? 2763 02:29:45.959 --> 02:29:50.680 Stabby room, This goes Hartle shame. 2764 02:29:52.000 --> 02:29:56.479 No, I came to colla dry. 2765 02:29:59.520 --> 02:30:06.120 So mon so money money fund, Aged's go dumb for 2766 02:30:06.319 --> 02:30:07.000 the summer. 2767 02:30:08.200 --> 02:30:13.879 So money so money. All I need is feet, boy 2768 02:30:15.239 --> 02:30:16.399 gone gone. 2769 02:30:16.280 --> 02:30:19.920 To paint chiefs still shining them, the souls still climbing. 2770 02:30:20.079 --> 02:30:22.440 Count Dude, that might need to be an intro song 2771 02:30:22.520 --> 02:30:25.479 all and of itself. Dude, that is good. Heck yeah, 2772 02:30:25.520 --> 02:30:28.959 thank you, showgun show journer. I appreciate you. Good sir. 2773 02:30:29.600 --> 02:30:32.319 Uh Sea Runner for two says if Lucas Botkin is 2774 02:30:32.399 --> 02:30:36.120 really anti Trinity, then he's anti christ I would agree 2775 02:30:36.159 --> 02:30:39.000 with that. I think that the Trinity is a easy 2776 02:30:39.079 --> 02:30:44.120 delineation point between Christians and non Christians. Right, Historically that's 2777 02:30:44.200 --> 02:30:47.000 always been the case, right, as was settled in the 2778 02:30:47.079 --> 02:30:50.559 First Council of Nicia. Right. So that's why Mormons might 2779 02:30:50.639 --> 02:30:52.600 be some of the nicest people you would ever meet, 2780 02:30:52.680 --> 02:30:55.479 but they're not traditionally considered Christians, right because they are 2781 02:30:55.600 --> 02:30:59.840 anti Trinity. Uh. Carver for two says big to money 2782 02:31:00.040 --> 02:31:03.360 rama equal is better than religion. Drama is better than 2783 02:31:03.440 --> 02:31:07.000 Isaac's little problems. I think big Toe money is a 2784 02:31:07.040 --> 02:31:11.079 bigger deal for sure. Sea Runner for five says Grox says, 2785 02:31:11.239 --> 02:31:15.799 Lucas adheres to the Trinity doctrine. Take my money and smile, Johnny, 2786 02:31:15.920 --> 02:31:19.360 take it. Take it well, they got a little weird 2787 02:31:19.399 --> 02:31:21.840 at the end, but I'll take Grock's opinion that Lucas 2788 02:31:22.000 --> 02:31:26.159 is not a anti Trinitarian heretic. Warsmith for five says 2789 02:31:26.440 --> 02:31:29.559 I got a new Lifted hundred today twenty eighteen v. 2790 02:31:29.680 --> 02:31:29.840 Eight. 2791 02:31:30.159 --> 02:31:32.360 I think I saw Task Force Tater throw up in 2792 02:31:32.440 --> 02:31:34.200 the chat, so I'm not sure if that's a good model. 2793 02:31:34.479 --> 02:31:36.920 I'm not a car guy, right, but I'm glad that 2794 02:31:37.000 --> 02:31:39.760 happened to you. We're sorry about that. I'm going to 2795 02:31:39.799 --> 02:31:44.000 get a custom license plate that says BTM Brocks in 2796 02:31:44.159 --> 02:31:47.280 honor of Jake. That's based. Yes, if you do that, 2797 02:31:47.959 --> 02:31:49.520 you do have to send me a picture of it, 2798 02:31:49.600 --> 02:31:52.840 and I will absolutely use that somewhere. Thank you, copper 2799 02:31:52.920 --> 02:31:55.559 Tone once again for one, two, three, four, five, six 2800 02:31:56.120 --> 02:32:02.399 seven two dollars chats says n I G G E R, 2801 02:32:03.200 --> 02:32:07.319 and then he misspells somehow the smiley face, but still base. 2802 02:32:07.479 --> 02:32:07.760 Thank you. 2803 02:32:07.840 --> 02:32:13.360 Coppertone Central sans Defense for five says a woman caused 2804 02:32:13.479 --> 02:32:17.040 the Beatles breakup and the drama in static X, I'm 2805 02:32:17.239 --> 02:32:21.200 just saying yes, well, listen, women from the Dawn of 2806 02:32:21.360 --> 02:32:27.600 Time Eve have been known to introduce all sorts of issues, right, 2807 02:32:27.760 --> 02:32:30.719 so yes, blame women one hundred percent agree with you 2808 02:32:30.879 --> 02:32:35.920 all the time. Base base based base based zany co 2809 02:32:36.159 --> 02:32:40.680 for two and two and two says j E. W. 2810 02:32:41.520 --> 02:32:44.840 And then Cody Fisher follows it up with five more w's. 2811 02:32:44.879 --> 02:32:48.760 That's a lot of ws in chat. Copper Tone for 2812 02:32:48.840 --> 02:32:53.799 two says Cass Geikes have the job already, ah, I 2813 02:32:53.879 --> 02:33:00.280 see understand. For twenty dollars, says I want to give 2814 02:33:00.319 --> 02:33:03.840 away a comstock Armory titanium adapter for a plan Be 2815 02:33:04.000 --> 02:33:06.879 suppressor who needs it one hundred dollars value for a 2816 02:33:06.920 --> 02:33:11.040 dead air Wolfman goes to maybe mojave and an RXD 2817 02:33:11.319 --> 02:33:13.799 nine ten t How do I do it? Leave it 2818 02:33:13.920 --> 02:33:16.920 up to you? He just has to be a Christian. Well, 2819 02:33:17.399 --> 02:33:18.959 I mean, if you send it to me, I can 2820 02:33:19.040 --> 02:33:21.239 give it away on the discord, like I'll be happy 2821 02:33:21.360 --> 02:33:23.360 to handle that for you. That's very generous of you. 2822 02:33:23.440 --> 02:33:27.040 And also, listen, you spent twenty dollars, so we're gonna 2823 02:33:27.040 --> 02:33:30.600 pick another big toe money. I don't know what, Mommy, Mommy, 2824 02:33:30.680 --> 02:33:34.239 I don't think that's a big toe. Jake owsis them toes? 2825 02:33:34.319 --> 02:33:41.559 Let's try this one. Jay fucking never step. It's nuts 2826 02:33:41.760 --> 02:33:43.000 much as till I paid. 2827 02:33:45.840 --> 02:33:48.559 Yeah payment, do we o the game? 2828 02:33:49.280 --> 02:33:52.959 We can die ball fish. 2829 02:33:54.239 --> 02:33:57.399 Your mom No, sir daddy, you owe us tolls. You 2830 02:33:57.760 --> 02:34:00.600 ow ust to tolls, You o dolls. 2831 02:34:01.239 --> 02:34:05.879 We brought you on that a blacks and the does. 2832 02:34:09.680 --> 02:34:09.879 Right? 2833 02:34:14.399 --> 02:34:18.639 All right? Fair enough, crimpin ain't easy for five says. 2834 02:34:18.760 --> 02:34:22.840 Bring up equals can't ruin something existing you didn't take 2835 02:34:22.920 --> 02:34:27.639 a risk to earn. Post numb removes something earned through 2836 02:34:27.719 --> 02:34:32.040 a risk your provider husband took. No. I think that 2837 02:34:32.200 --> 02:34:34.200 can be true for sure, But if you're going to 2838 02:34:34.319 --> 02:34:36.319 require some people to have it, and some people not 2839 02:34:36.440 --> 02:34:40.280 to it's a I understand why that could be problematic 2840 02:34:40.360 --> 02:34:44.719 and look bad. Zany Co for two says Lucas. Let's 2841 02:34:44.760 --> 02:34:48.200 see metata souls all right, Buddy lost Arrow for two 2842 02:34:48.639 --> 02:34:51.360 says six to seven, Thank you very much. C Runner 2843 02:34:51.399 --> 02:34:55.760 for two says founders count can't do hostile takeovers. That's 2844 02:34:55.799 --> 02:34:57.959 a good point. Yeah, the founder of the company is 2845 02:34:58.000 --> 02:35:00.559 doing a hostile takeover. Well, I guess a founder of 2846 02:35:00.639 --> 02:35:04.239 the company could leave the company and then do like 2847 02:35:04.520 --> 02:35:07.239 a hostile takeover after he's been removed from the company, 2848 02:35:07.239 --> 02:35:09.719 because that's happened before, right, where like a board of 2849 02:35:09.799 --> 02:35:13.079 directors pushes someone out of the company and then later 2850 02:35:13.200 --> 02:35:16.840 on through you know, political machinations, he's able to like 2851 02:35:16.920 --> 02:35:20.920 force his way back on. That could technically happen. Polly 2852 02:35:21.000 --> 02:35:23.399 B for two says I feel bad for Isaac. I 2853 02:35:23.479 --> 02:35:25.040 will pray for him. You should be. I mean, you 2854 02:35:25.040 --> 02:35:27.600 should pray for all the parties involved, regardless, right, regardless 2855 02:35:27.639 --> 02:35:28.840 of who you think is right and wrong. You can 2856 02:35:28.879 --> 02:35:32.600 pray for him. Not gonna be a bad thing. Polly 2857 02:35:32.680 --> 02:35:37.079 B for five says chud Ari Speed this up for 2858 02:35:37.319 --> 02:35:41.000 November Rage Bait a man of focus, commitment and sheer 2859 02:35:41.399 --> 02:35:45.440 will thank you at Polly b sdk rapscallion who. I'm 2860 02:35:45.440 --> 02:35:48.120 going to drop their link once again, and then I'm 2861 02:35:48.120 --> 02:35:50.360 going to refresh the page. Okay, and I'm going to 2862 02:35:50.399 --> 02:35:52.799 be real, guys. I do want them to be above 2863 02:35:52.959 --> 02:35:56.079 three hundred subscribers. Please be above three hundred subscribers. If not, 2864 02:35:56.239 --> 02:35:57.159 no Halo? How about that? 2865 02:35:57.639 --> 02:35:57.840 Yeah? 2866 02:35:58.120 --> 02:36:00.840 Two hundred and eighteen that's it. Okay, Yeah, we're not 2867 02:36:00.920 --> 02:36:03.360 playing Halo if you guys, If you guys aren't going 2868 02:36:03.559 --> 02:36:07.159 to subscribe to their channel and get them above three hundred, 2869 02:36:07.280 --> 02:36:09.399 then no, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna play Halo. 2870 02:36:09.440 --> 02:36:11.239 Why would I even do that? You guys don't deserve it. 2871 02:36:12.799 --> 02:36:15.639 SDK for five says one v one rust for one 2872 02:36:15.719 --> 02:36:17.920 hundred percent of the shares only way to settle it. 2873 02:36:18.639 --> 02:36:20.280 I think Lucas has got it in the bag. If 2874 02:36:20.319 --> 02:36:24.959 that happens, Polly be for two says Liquid Snake Brothers. 2875 02:36:25.479 --> 02:36:31.799 Yeah not you, Yeah brothers. Asterix Sabartic Psycho for five 2876 02:36:31.879 --> 02:36:34.319 says if Isaac is lurking in chat, I want him 2877 02:36:34.360 --> 02:36:36.479 to know that he looks like g Man from Half 2878 02:36:36.559 --> 02:36:39.799 Life A fair enough. Copper Tone for two says The 2879 02:36:39.879 --> 02:36:43.840 Slander was Lucas having a spine possible. Randy reviews it 2880 02:36:43.920 --> 02:36:47.120 for five says, why won't anyone make me tungsten glock 2881 02:36:47.440 --> 02:36:50.600 Gen five grip plugs? I do wish people made more 2882 02:36:50.680 --> 02:36:56.760 tungsten accessories one hundred percent. I like tungsten. Okay, tungsten 2883 02:36:56.879 --> 02:36:58.719 is great for lots of things. I wish they would 2884 02:36:58.719 --> 02:37:02.879 actually use it more. Doc for five says, thanks John 2885 02:37:02.959 --> 02:37:07.360 for making it through the stream without rich dentist hate. Well, listen, Doc, 2886 02:37:07.479 --> 02:37:09.920 you send me five dollars. I appreciate it even if 2887 02:37:10.000 --> 02:37:13.120 you are a rich dentist. Chase for five says Isaac 2888 02:37:13.239 --> 02:37:16.840 and the Botkins learning the hard way their family dynamic 2889 02:37:16.959 --> 02:37:20.879 hierarchy doesn't apply to the real world. Yes, inter family 2890 02:37:21.000 --> 02:37:23.879 dynamics do not always map onto reality one to one. 2891 02:37:24.040 --> 02:37:26.639 So your patriarch not saying it's a bad thing to 2892 02:37:26.680 --> 02:37:28.399 have a patriarch of the family ahead of the family, 2893 02:37:28.520 --> 02:37:30.520 not at all. I think that's a good model to have. 2894 02:37:30.840 --> 02:37:36.399 But we got to somehow apply that in a reasonable 2895 02:37:36.440 --> 02:37:39.639 way to the real world where everything can live. Everyone 2896 02:37:39.760 --> 02:37:43.639 can live in harmony. One hundred percent, and then understand 2897 02:37:43.719 --> 02:37:47.799 for once. For two dollars says send me your address, please, 2898 02:37:49.639 --> 02:37:54.200 can you can you go over to my email focus 2899 02:37:54.280 --> 02:37:55.920 trip at gmail dot com and send me an email. 2900 02:37:56.719 --> 02:37:59.559 I mean my address. My shipping address is listed on 2901 02:37:59.639 --> 02:38:02.559 my web site. Heelbox two sixty seven marry an SD 2902 02:38:02.680 --> 02:38:07.840 five seven oh four three. All right, uh, let's see 2903 02:38:09.360 --> 02:38:10.719 I think okay, that was it there, Let's go to 2904 02:38:10.799 --> 02:38:13.719 CO five. Sorry, gentlemen, there's a lot of support. You 2905 02:38:13.799 --> 02:38:16.559 guys have been extremely generous, and I apologize for making 2906 02:38:16.600 --> 02:38:18.440 you wait so long for me to get to it. 2907 02:38:18.959 --> 02:38:22.559 keV dog becomes a Kofi Caffeine creep. Handsome horse becomes 2908 02:38:22.559 --> 02:38:25.680 the Kofi Caffeine creep. Very base. Seal Hammer for five 2909 02:38:25.840 --> 02:38:29.440 dollars says this all could have been avoided if they 2910 02:38:29.600 --> 02:38:32.600 just committed to honor killing the guy who sent impure 2911 02:38:32.799 --> 02:38:37.120 images to Lucas's wife. That is very true, Thank you, 2912 02:38:37.200 --> 02:38:43.239 seal Hammer. Polly B four twenty dollars says, rest in 2913 02:38:43.559 --> 02:38:46.879 piss t rex arms, step on snake, skin it and 2914 02:38:46.959 --> 02:38:49.399 eat it. Snake is tasty. I will eat your ass. 2915 02:38:49.879 --> 02:38:53.000 Give me some Alex Jones sounders, Dude, I don't have 2916 02:38:53.079 --> 02:38:55.760 any Alex Jones sounders handy, but maybe we just look 2917 02:38:55.879 --> 02:39:02.479 them up. Alex Jones. Uh I mean, there we go. 2918 02:39:02.559 --> 02:39:08.959 That should do it right, best of Alex Jones. Let's 2919 02:39:09.000 --> 02:39:09.360 do this one. 2920 02:39:09.680 --> 02:39:11.000 They call me the meme machine. 2921 02:39:11.479 --> 02:39:14.319 You get what you deserve, you cockled pieces of crap. 2922 02:39:14.879 --> 02:39:17.399 But as for me, I'm awakened free. They haven't broken 2923 02:39:17.440 --> 02:39:19.680 to me. I'm free, and me and my family and 2924 02:39:19.760 --> 02:39:22.719 others we're standing up and fighting back. I'm Alex Jones 2925 02:39:22.799 --> 02:39:25.040 and this is seventeen seventy six world wide. And if 2926 02:39:25.079 --> 02:39:27.440 you think this is a joker funny because you're so brainwashed, 2927 02:39:27.559 --> 02:39:29.200 this is what it's like to be alive. This is 2928 02:39:29.239 --> 02:39:30.680 what it's like to not be a slave. This is 2929 02:39:30.719 --> 02:39:32.280 what it's like to be involved. 2930 02:39:32.559 --> 02:39:34.799 Dude, I need this as my alarm clock. Bro, this 2931 02:39:35.200 --> 02:39:35.639 goes hard. 2932 02:39:35.719 --> 02:39:38.159 Let's go and building real things. And then they lie 2933 02:39:38.280 --> 02:39:40.879 and say that I'm countering the gay bomb with my product. 2934 02:39:41.120 --> 02:39:44.040 That was a BBC headline about a gay bomb chemicals 2935 02:39:44.040 --> 02:39:46.040 they were going to spray on the iraqis that basically 2936 02:39:46.120 --> 02:39:46.879 make you have sex with. 2937 02:39:46.920 --> 02:39:47.520 A fence post. 2938 02:39:48.319 --> 02:39:50.440 But again they don't think you'll like a vast article 2939 02:39:50.479 --> 02:39:53.559 saying I'm a liar about lizard penis rage. That was 2940 02:39:53.600 --> 02:39:57.200 associated press about the lizard penises. But it sounds crazy, 2941 02:39:57.280 --> 02:40:00.559 so they take it out of context. Yes, shipping in 2942 02:40:00.680 --> 02:40:04.120 smuggled monitor lizard penises there to sign has developed gay 2943 02:40:04.159 --> 02:40:05.520 bomb the Daily Mail. 2944 02:40:05.639 --> 02:40:07.200 I'm not the one making this up. 2945 02:40:07.959 --> 02:40:11.319 This is going on just like you're talking to you know, alexas. 2946 02:40:12.399 --> 02:40:15.719 Thank you, Alex. Handsome Horse for three dollars says what's 2947 02:40:15.760 --> 02:40:21.399 good about this company? Uh Kai raped Jeet slave, little 2948 02:40:21.399 --> 02:40:24.159 Booty far for three says ninety percent of of sluts 2949 02:40:24.559 --> 02:40:28.040 can't even fathom the amount of revenue generated by Jake's 2950 02:40:28.200 --> 02:40:31.879 Sweet Sweet Dogs big toe money. You know what's funny 2951 02:40:32.559 --> 02:40:35.520 is that I'm pretty sure that Jake actually would be 2952 02:40:35.600 --> 02:40:39.799 in like the top five percent of OnlyFans models. I 2953 02:40:39.840 --> 02:40:41.680 don't know if that's I'm gonna have to ask Jake 2954 02:40:41.680 --> 02:40:44.879 about that. Handsome Horse for three says funding the too 2955 02:40:44.959 --> 02:40:49.280 Many Choices Epilepsy fund based. Handsome Horse wife who's enslaved 2956 02:40:49.399 --> 02:40:52.319 Jimmy's Unrustled for five says, Isaac looks like he would 2957 02:40:52.440 --> 02:40:55.079 enjoy living out his life being a eunuch in the 2958 02:40:55.120 --> 02:40:59.760 reloading dungeon mining powder. Imagine him stealing glances at boondock 2959 02:40:59.760 --> 02:41:03.879 ball acician's cage as he pushes a mine cart. Asked 2960 02:41:03.959 --> 02:41:07.239 for lit alcove. Dude, that is a dark fantasy you 2961 02:41:07.399 --> 02:41:10.680 got going on right there about your your reloading dungeons 2962 02:41:10.719 --> 02:41:15.239 slash mining operation. It's a decrepit Isaac and boondock is 2963 02:41:15.639 --> 02:41:18.200 you know, feral in a cage like hasn't spoken in 2964 02:41:18.360 --> 02:41:21.680 years and it's just skin pale white for no sunlight 2965 02:41:21.840 --> 02:41:24.120 and just like you know, like the milky white eyes 2966 02:41:24.159 --> 02:41:27.440 because they've adapted to the dark man. That's dark, bro. 2967 02:41:28.120 --> 02:41:31.719 Thank you though, Why Fu's enslaved? Jimmy's unrustled? Polly B 2968 02:41:31.920 --> 02:41:34.799 for five says, we need to study David Lucas and 2969 02:41:34.879 --> 02:41:38.799 Isaac Botkins hairlines for science. What did David do wrong? 2970 02:41:39.120 --> 02:41:43.920 Or which Jens went astray? Those genes definitely went astray. 2971 02:41:44.479 --> 02:41:47.479 But where's it? I need a white shot? A white shot? 2972 02:41:48.239 --> 02:41:52.479 There we go. Yes, also a bad screenshot. My apologies. 2973 02:41:53.120 --> 02:41:57.680 Polly B for another to twenty dollars says, as far 2974 02:41:57.760 --> 02:42:01.520 as I'm concerned, Isaac's physical discomfort with free and post 2975 02:42:01.639 --> 02:42:04.680 nuptial details is the crux of the entire issue. The 2976 02:42:04.799 --> 02:42:08.200 family threw a hand grenade into one marriage and took 2977 02:42:08.360 --> 02:42:12.079 great umbrage at it being thrown back with less time 2978 02:42:12.239 --> 02:42:16.040 on the fuse who here is anti Lucas and why 2979 02:42:16.600 --> 02:42:21.079 are you gay? That's a good point. What should we play? Okay, 2980 02:42:21.079 --> 02:42:23.520 we got another twenty in here, so let's go back 2981 02:42:24.719 --> 02:42:28.520 to the Big Toe Money, which I'm gonna drop the 2982 02:42:28.559 --> 02:42:30.479 Big Toe Money channel in here as well. Also, by 2983 02:42:30.520 --> 02:42:33.719 the way, again keep in mind here's Big Toe Money 2984 02:42:33.719 --> 02:42:36.399 in the chat. But also, if you guys do not 2985 02:42:36.559 --> 02:42:41.639 subscribe to SDK or to col for Culture Warfare podcast, 2986 02:42:41.680 --> 02:42:48.120 we're not playing Halo. I apologize. Grind core, Jake's Little Piggies, 2987 02:42:49.000 --> 02:42:54.319 K pop Jake Money, big to money. This song is 2988 02:42:54.360 --> 02:42:57.479 so much as you know. It's funny. Welcome stage, no 2989 02:42:57.799 --> 02:42:58.399 shoes on. 2990 02:43:00.159 --> 02:43:04.399 Down, too gone, Take money, stake so money, so much, 2991 02:43:04.520 --> 02:43:04.879 so much. 2992 02:43:05.479 --> 02:43:06.200 It's money. 2993 02:43:06.799 --> 02:43:10.840 I'll say no, I need to see boy. I want 2994 02:43:10.920 --> 02:43:11.760 too good. 2995 02:43:12.000 --> 02:43:13.040 My seat feel good? 2996 02:43:13.280 --> 02:43:15.559 Your feet well they should, y'all just sitting in the 2997 02:43:15.680 --> 02:43:16.840 grass with a cigarette. 2998 02:43:16.959 --> 02:43:19.399 Take money, take so money. That's a bigger check. 2999 02:43:19.479 --> 02:43:22.959 Looking in everybody's having a little good this game. Bomb 3000 02:43:23.040 --> 02:43:26.399 off the hook. I'm the first motherfucker I have to feet. 3001 02:43:26.680 --> 02:43:29.000 What's my fucking back when I'm moving through the streets 3002 02:43:29.280 --> 02:43:30.120 looking at my wall? 3003 02:43:30.280 --> 02:43:32.600 Man, it is green like a gecko. Take off money, 3004 02:43:34.600 --> 02:43:36.600 I think we're done with that one all right by 3005 02:43:37.440 --> 02:43:40.520 she's thatain sucks? Sorry did my audio go down? It 3006 02:43:40.520 --> 02:43:42.680 should be back now. What I was saying is that 3007 02:43:42.799 --> 02:43:46.520 if you do not subscribe to Culture Warfare podcast, then 3008 02:43:46.559 --> 02:43:49.239 we can't play halo. I apologize, I apologize my bad. 3009 02:43:50.000 --> 02:43:52.159 Let's actually see what are they at right now? What 3010 02:43:52.280 --> 02:43:56.520 are they at right now? Ladies two twenty nine? That's better, 3011 02:43:56.879 --> 02:43:59.799 But that's not there, bros. That is that is nowhere, 3012 02:44:00.079 --> 02:44:02.040 ye where we need to be right now? Okay, thank 3013 02:44:02.079 --> 02:44:07.639 you very much, Polly be appreciate you, good sir. Our 3014 02:44:07.799 --> 02:44:10.040 vandal A for three says, it really seems to me 3015 02:44:10.280 --> 02:44:14.040 like Kara is not as easily manipulated and intimidated as 3016 02:44:14.079 --> 02:44:18.719 the family is. Sorry, sorry, it really seems to me 3017 02:44:18.959 --> 02:44:23.159 like Kara is not as easily manipulated and it intimidated 3018 02:44:23.239 --> 02:44:26.840 the family into starting this mess. I mean essentially, yeah, 3019 02:44:26.959 --> 02:44:29.920 the fight between Kara and the Botkins and then of 3020 02:44:29.959 --> 02:44:32.360 course Lucas who happens to be her husband. Right, obviously 3021 02:44:32.440 --> 02:44:34.600 that's going to throw a wrench into things if you're 3022 02:44:34.639 --> 02:44:37.879 not going to, you know, allow her into the family. 3023 02:44:38.200 --> 02:44:38.319 Oh. 3024 02:44:38.399 --> 02:44:41.120 Jared for five says, I was told rage bait doesn't 3025 02:44:41.120 --> 02:44:44.000 start until halfway through the stream. But here we are 3026 02:44:44.200 --> 02:44:48.559 watching internet. Maori. I wanted a hopium stream Jeremiah twenty 3027 02:44:48.719 --> 02:44:52.120 nine eleven. Christ is King and God is good. I 3028 02:44:52.319 --> 02:44:56.719 agree with you, good sir. Someday, okay, someday we will 3029 02:44:56.799 --> 02:45:00.680 get a hopium stream, just not today. It's all right, 3030 02:45:00.959 --> 02:45:01.159 and I