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Speaker 1: brother for another mother a man, mister Warrenshaw repping out
Speaker 1: of Fort Laydaville, Florida. What's good, mister Shaw. Good for
Speaker 1: you to uh be in the fold, be it be
Speaker 1: tapped in for the for the summer. I know we
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Speaker 3: And we're back here. You know, it's great to kind
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, man, It's it's great when we give ourselves the
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Speaker 1: assess not just what the season is is culminated to,
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Speaker 1: you know, and have done what is necessary to improve
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Speaker 1: and then you know, look at the teams that either
Speaker 1: have stagnated or may essentially be taking a step back,
Speaker 1: and maybe even look at teams who are completely rolling
Speaker 1: the dice with some of the moves that they've made.
Speaker 1: You know, is the risk worth the reward. So there's
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Speaker 1: of the news and noticed that and taking place while
Speaker 1: we've been on our you know, little hiatus mini hiatus,
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, and I think the first
Speaker 1: thing that just jumps out Shaw is, you know a
Speaker 1: lot of speculation was made about why the Milwaukee Bucks
Speaker 1: went ahead and just essentially released Damian Lillard, you know,
Speaker 1: eating you know, most of the money that's owed to
Speaker 1: him and allowing him the ability to go and sign
Speaker 1: with anyone else, uh, without really figuring out you know,
Speaker 1: where he's going to be and where most people thought
Speaker 1: his intent is that he's probably going to look to sign,
Speaker 1: you know, take his time and sign with a contender, right,
Speaker 1: But he decided to sign with the Portland Trailblazers. And
Speaker 1: I think there's so many different directions you can go
Speaker 1: into this, but I wanted to get your perspective from
Speaker 1: this shaw A person like Damian Lillard, an accomplished player
Speaker 1: like Damian Lillard. It isn't as if, you know, he's
Speaker 1: like in his forties or something like that, and you
Speaker 1: know he's about to do a swan song like the
Speaker 1: next person that we're going to be talking about in
Speaker 1: a moment or so. But with him, why make that
Speaker 1: move to go back to the Portland Trailblazers, especially with
Speaker 1: the way that that roster is currently constructed. What's the
Speaker 1: end game here for a Damian Lillard to do that?
Speaker 3: I mean, just the old adage of you know, you
Speaker 3: say you can't go home again, and he's proven that
Speaker 3: adage to be wrong. He never really wanted to leave,
Speaker 3: and he's somebody who has been admittedly while yes, he
Speaker 3: wants to win a championship, he also understands like or
Speaker 3: he feels like his career is not incomplete if he doesn't,
Speaker 3: if that makes sense, like it's something that, yes, all
Speaker 3: players want to win, but he wants to be a
Speaker 3: good dude. He wants to be a good teammate. He
Speaker 3: wants to be he is going to be Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3: So all those things are are in place, and now
Speaker 3: the injury happens and the way that it does. But
Speaker 3: while he does an unprecedented move in terms of you know,
Speaker 3: stretching Waven stretching him if you will, and that allows
Speaker 3: him this opportunity to be the free agent for the
Speaker 3: first time like truly in his career. And he decided
Speaker 3: in Chronic and company in Portland, decided them they're gonna
Speaker 3: end defenses. And he gets to go home to where
Speaker 3: he's basically raised his family now for the last some
Speaker 3: out of years, rehabbed over that time, enjoying a Portland
Speaker 3: team that is on the rise. Now again, we know
Speaker 3: this is not a championship level team right now, but
Speaker 3: Bobs did a really great job last year with this roster,
Speaker 3: and they made some moves in essence to clear some
Speaker 3: way for some younger guys to play. And I think
Speaker 3: this is going to be in Dames Wolhouse, especially this
Speaker 3: year of recovery, right, really assess the team and the roster.
Speaker 3: Give Scoop some leadership, give Shaden Sharp some leadership. You know,
Speaker 3: even Donovan Klingen, like all the guys at this Portland
Speaker 3: Trail Builders roster is trying to build around Dame will
Speaker 3: be there to be that guiding kind of force to
Speaker 3: go alongside bullets in the locker room. And then the
Speaker 3: next year he comes back and should be able to
Speaker 3: play and play at a reasonably high level. And then
Speaker 3: I think they'll they'll see where they're at that after
Speaker 3: that second year, so it allows them again the time
Speaker 3: to rehab be with his family being a comfortable setting,
Speaker 3: and be with and men defenses that he didn't really
Speaker 3: want to have been broken into very very beginning with
Speaker 3: the beginning anyway, and then we'll see what happens in
Speaker 3: year three because he has a no trade clause. I
Speaker 3: believe it's a player option at the end of that
Speaker 3: third year, and if he does decide he wants to
Speaker 3: leave again to go air quote chase the Chase the Ring, well,
Speaker 3: then Portland's given him that out and he has that opportunity.
Speaker 3: So it's a nice story in a lot of ways,
Speaker 3: but it has nothing to do I think, with championships
Speaker 3: as much as has to do with comfortability for Damian
Speaker 3: Lillard and a pull Drublozers.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna quickly lean on to what you're saying
Speaker 1: that this doesn't feel like or doesn't have the sense
Speaker 1: of someone who's chasing a championship. And I will also
Speaker 1: say this as well too. We are in a different
Speaker 1: climate now when it comes to athletes and what they're
Speaker 1: prioritizing for their for what they want to I guess
Speaker 1: etch out as their legacy. I'm not going to perceive
Speaker 1: to act like I know what Damian Lillard is prioritizing,
Speaker 1: but I will say I think we've almost completely just
Speaker 1: we're so much caught in the immediate moment of what
Speaker 1: an athlete is expected to do as a as a
Speaker 1: professional is to go out win championship rings. And part
Speaker 1: of that precedent, that pressure was applied, you know, essentially
Speaker 1: by a Lebron James, and it then trickled itself down
Speaker 1: to when you see a person like a Steph Curry
Speaker 1: and a Kevin Durant and so forth and so on.
Speaker 1: Damian Lillard was among one of those elite superstar players.
Speaker 1: We were hoping would be in that fold because he
Speaker 1: essentially led the Portland Trailblazers in two different occasions opportunities
Speaker 1: to actually get to the NBA Finals and fell short, right,
Speaker 1: And that's still in a pretty oppressive resume to have
Speaker 1: as part of your legacy. I think when you have
Speaker 1: a significant injury, depending on where you are and your
Speaker 1: you know, your age window, I think you reset the
Speaker 1: priorities about what matters. And you mentioned the fact that
Speaker 1: I think him being closer to home, him taking care
Speaker 1: of his family, I think all of that, and I
Speaker 1: also think too Shaw, it's also to what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I want my legacy to be known that I always
Speaker 1: loved and respected what Portland gave me. They were the
Speaker 1: ones who took roll the dice on me, and I
Speaker 1: want to make sure that I do right by them.
Speaker 1: And I think we don't often talk about these things
Speaker 1: because it isn't until after the player retires that he
Speaker 1: kind of you know, goes in that direction and speaks
Speaker 1: to those things. And if there is a virtue of
Speaker 1: a very what's the word animus relationship that severs, you know,
Speaker 1: what goes on between him and the organization, whatever the
Speaker 1: case may be, then you got to have these like
Speaker 1: you know, Kumbaya moments and let's make peace moments and
Speaker 1: documentaries of you know, nobody wants that. I think genuinely,
Speaker 1: Damian Lilla has always had a love for the Portland
Speaker 1: Trailblazers that I think him doing this sets another layer
Speaker 1: to understanding a very unique and a very well liked
Speaker 1: legacy of one of the most respected players of our
Speaker 1: of this generation. You know, to play the game, and
Speaker 1: of course you want to see him win a championship,
Speaker 1: but I even think he's okay with may not win
Speaker 1: the championship. But there's so many other things that I
Speaker 1: think that I've been able to do that will make
Speaker 1: me feel better about whether or not I do have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to hoist that trophy. One quick thing before
Speaker 1: we move on Shaw, And I'm really curious because of
Speaker 1: what you were saying about him being, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of a mentor of providing leadership to a guy like
Speaker 1: Scoot Henderson. You genuinely believe that the Portland Trailblazers still
Speaker 1: have faith or buy into Scoot Henderson. Do you still
Speaker 1: think that he is that guy? Because I could also
Speaker 1: say too that if Damian Lillard comes back like dalliand
Speaker 1: something of Damian Lulla of old, what do you do
Speaker 1: with the guy like a Scoot Henderson. Scoot Henderson is
Speaker 1: gonna have to, you know, leap frog some pretty significant
Speaker 1: markers for us to buy into the fact that he
Speaker 1: eventually is gonna be that guy. Knowing that the man
Speaker 1: before you that left that forced them to go get you,
Speaker 1: you still have not you surp you you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying or superseded to that level.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think well from when I heard right and
Speaker 3: you know, listening to other shows and media that poorly
Speaker 3: even asked about it, and not that he needed to
Speaker 3: bless it, but they wanted to let them know that
Speaker 3: this is a direction that they were handing because many
Speaker 3: for the same reasons that you might even be alluding
Speaker 3: to you, right like, hey, is this really our guy?
Speaker 3: A lot kind of long term andoo listen, listen, why
Speaker 3: not right? You bringing back basically your your favorite son
Speaker 3: here in Portland was somebody who I can learn from.
Speaker 3: And then Scoot's going to have all the runway, especially
Speaker 3: this upcoming season, like Dame is not a threat to him,
Speaker 3: you know, this year at all, and then you again
Speaker 3: you reassess what what that ends up being after the
Speaker 3: next year, and then they play together and see what
Speaker 3: you really have, and then I think Scoot's rookie contract
Speaker 3: will be up and then they really have an opportunity
Speaker 3: to kind of figure things out. I think the timeline
Speaker 3: works out perfectly for all parties in this group. Gives
Speaker 3: an opportunity to play prove himself, and then Dame has
Speaker 3: an opportunity to kind of come back mentrum in the
Speaker 3: short term, and then they can figure they can play together,
Speaker 3: and then they get a year to really assess what
Speaker 3: that is for all parties. I think it's a win
Speaker 3: win for all parties involved, and I'm excited for what
Speaker 3: schoo Henderson still has the ability to kind of prove.
Speaker 3: We played really well towards the latter part of last year, battles,
Speaker 3: some injuries, excited around their pland pulling the lineup was
Speaker 3: a little wonky. Phillips did a great job even managing
Speaker 3: that they were competitive for that one of those last
Speaker 3: playing spots. So I think this is going to be
Speaker 3: something that we don't necessarily worry about in terms of
Speaker 3: personality clashes and or talent clashing in the long term
Speaker 3: for the Blazers.
Speaker 1: I will say this one thing though, all right, and
Speaker 1: we don't often talk about it because it's the Portland
Speaker 1: Trail Blazers and it's it just happens off and on.
Speaker 1: We'll see whether or not the organization is going to
Speaker 1: be on top of this. I will say this, Shaw,
Speaker 1: while it's awesome, the Portland Trail Blazers are getting back
Speaker 1: something that he essentially lost. Right, the fear can be
Speaker 1: if Scoot Henderson does not exude the maturity of handling
Speaker 1: that situation to wait and needs to be handled, Portland
Speaker 1: Trailblazer fans and those among in that in that circle
Speaker 1: are gonna be feeling like that, Oh, I can't wait
Speaker 1: for Damien to come back, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then that's going to be putting additional pressure on
Speaker 1: a guy like Scoot Henderson. Again, he's been given this,
Speaker 1: this this this long leash, this runway of opportunity. I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that part of his maturation is recognizing that even
Speaker 1: as a player, you still can separate yourself, but don't
Speaker 1: undermine yourself, knowing that part of that narrative you can't
Speaker 1: you can't avoid it that part of that narrative that's
Speaker 1: there is that fans are happy that Damien is back
Speaker 1: in the fold, and at times fans can take it
Speaker 1: to another level when they see you struggling because they
Speaker 1: can't separate the greatness of what they had from one
Speaker 1: player knowing that he can eventually come back, and not
Speaker 1: looking at the level of greatness that you have for
Speaker 1: yourself and what you're expecting to give for the Portland Trailblazers.
Speaker 1: I just I'm just saying that at times, the organization
Speaker 1: and even a head coach. I'm not trying to blame
Speaker 1: people or or you know, go on on on any
Speaker 1: kind of conspiracy theory theory, but it is there that
Speaker 1: at times players don't know how to handle that type
Speaker 1: of pressure when it is applied when you go through
Speaker 1: those struggles. So it'll be interesting to see how the
Speaker 1: Portland Trailblazers support that so that that narrative doesn't get
Speaker 1: leaked out or get perceived because of the legacy of
Speaker 1: that as of a Damian Lillard. All right, scheall, let's
Speaker 1: switch our focus to the the LA Clippers, who I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm necessarily surprised by this move by
Speaker 1: the Clippers. I am surprised by one of the moves
Speaker 1: in them getting Bradley Beal, but more not most so
Speaker 1: surprised about the fact that Chris Paul decided to come back,
Speaker 1: you know, to the to the to the place, right.
Speaker 1: I think people probably said to themselves, well, why didn't
Speaker 1: you go back to the New Orleans Pelicans. It's almost
Speaker 1: as if my man just like, yeah, he said, I
Speaker 1: blanked out the first seven eight years of my career.
Speaker 1: My career really started when I was playing in Lob City, right, like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so it's I think
Speaker 1: it's great. Obviously, there is also that opportunity because the
Speaker 1: Clippers are among the early season people to teams to
Speaker 1: keep a watch for that could upset the Apple card
Speaker 1: as far as making a run in the Western Conference.
Speaker 1: What do we make about Chris Paul Bradley Beal now
Speaker 1: being Los Angeles Clippers for this upcoming season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the Norman palletrade was curious and then some
Speaker 3: people like, we just don't want to pay him. But
Speaker 3: then you can get Bradley Bill. Yes, even at this
Speaker 3: advanced age, so to speak. But what is basically a
Speaker 3: minimum deal. It's just so interesting. You know, the return
Speaker 3: on investment that people see, right, Bradley buil a number
Speaker 3: that he was in Phoenix, not of value. Bradley Bill
Speaker 3: at that number for the Clippers five and a half
Speaker 3: million absolute value because his percentages were still pretty good
Speaker 3: last year, you know, when he was able to stay
Speaker 3: on the court, which is obviously the key statement and
Speaker 3: that's the whole thing I think for the Clippers team,
Speaker 3: and as it is every year, can they all stay
Speaker 3: on the court. So Chris Paul coming back, you know,
Speaker 3: gives them somebody, another ball handler, somebody who doesn't necessarily
Speaker 3: need to log thirty five forty minutes a night with
Speaker 3: James Harden. Kind of int there, but then that allows
Speaker 3: Harden to get some rest. And now they don't lose
Speaker 3: play creation if Paul's on the floor. And Paul played
Speaker 3: all eighty two games with the Spurs last year, especially
Speaker 3: even at his age. You know, that's an amazing situation.
Speaker 3: So the Clippers are one of the more differently in
Speaker 3: air quote improved teams. In the off season. They remember
Speaker 3: the added Brook Lopez, added John Collins. Now you bring
Speaker 3: in Bradley Bill and Chris Paul. A lot of veteran
Speaker 3: presence on this roster. A lot of old guyshunt this roster,
Speaker 3: so they really are going to have to do their
Speaker 3: best in sence to try to stay healthy throughout the
Speaker 3: course with the regular season and get a decent seed
Speaker 3: where they can hopefully have home court. But I think
Speaker 3: the additions of Chris Paul and Bradley Bill specifically makes
Speaker 3: sense for where they are. Yes, it's a lot of
Speaker 3: star power, it's a lot of name power, it's a
Speaker 3: lot of potential Hall of famers here and you know
Speaker 3: in La Land. But I understand where where they're trying
Speaker 3: to go with it. And now we've got to see
Speaker 3: if Lawrence, Frank and tylu have what it takes in
Speaker 3: essence to really build a championship contender on that Lelly Clippers.
Speaker 1: I just considered these interesting moves. I am. I'm probably
Speaker 1: higher on the Chris Paul move because the Los Angeles
Speaker 1: Clippers have for the longest time really needed a secondary
Speaker 1: ball creator because they just never had it. After you know,
Speaker 1: James Harden, I will say though, that what makes this
Speaker 1: play interesting is that we could probably get rid of
Speaker 1: the notion that the idea is is that they want
Speaker 1: Brian Bradley Beal to operate like kind of like as
Speaker 1: a point guard space. I I don't know why there
Speaker 1: has this been a struggle to really find his niche
Speaker 1: outside of his injuries. With this this this idea that
Speaker 1: you know, if let's say you're running a three guard rotation,
Speaker 1: that you know, the assumption is like he can operate
Speaker 1: in a point guard space. I think he was in
Speaker 1: a unique space when he played next to John Wall.
Speaker 1: I think John Wall allowed that, and especially with a
Speaker 1: different style of of pace of play, it allowed that
Speaker 1: to get away with doing that. But he's never to
Speaker 1: me been a dedicated ball handler kind of guy. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna have that ball exclusively in the hands of
Speaker 1: James Harden or Chris Paul, I think you make Bradley
Speaker 1: Beal a better player. The question is, can Bradley Beal
Speaker 1: stay on the floor long enough to allow the level
Speaker 1: of greatness for guys like James Harden and Chris Paul
Speaker 1: to help accentuate what he could actually give you. We'll
Speaker 1: see whether or not that place and that's part of that.
Speaker 1: You know, quote unquote low risk, low reward to you.
Speaker 1: I consider it high risk because again, he's playing for
Speaker 1: a team that is in the spotlight. Los Angeles Clippers
Speaker 1: are a high visible type of team, and I would
Speaker 1: have probably figured he would have gone back to a
Speaker 1: place that would have had low visibility to allow him
Speaker 1: to kind of really help bolster a team, you know,
Speaker 1: boost numbers, but not really be part of the focal point,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: But again maybe I mean he's better. Remember he's not,
Speaker 3: he's not. He's slotted down now in terms of even
Speaker 3: the pecking order. Even with Duran and Booker, he was
Speaker 3: a third guy, and I think in this situation he's
Speaker 3: the third guy is shift you will, and that's a
Speaker 3: distant third behind what Kawhi and James Harden are providing.
Speaker 3: So like it allows him to still to be able
Speaker 3: to be a productive player, but not necessarily have to
Speaker 3: be sought after as like, hey, you absolutely have to
Speaker 3: produce because of all the other additions they mad as
Speaker 3: well too. Think about even Chris Paul playing along with
Speaker 3: John Collins. John Collins is a very productive basketball player,
Speaker 3: especially as a lob threat. Here now you still have
Speaker 3: Derek Jones, like you still they still have Boganovitch as well.
Speaker 3: So this Clippers team is not struggling in terms of
Speaker 3: roster and talent, and while I understand where you're intimating
Speaker 3: to when it comes to beel but his impact is
Speaker 3: more superfluous. I think in this way, I wouldn't say luxuries,
Speaker 3: but I mean it's superfluous because he can still secondary create,
Speaker 3: he can still some of those things, do some of
Speaker 3: those things without the spotlight. Oh well, we need Bradly
Speaker 3: Bible to give us assist and give us times or
Speaker 3: we need rather be able to shoot forty percent from three.
Speaker 3: He can have an average season and still be very
Speaker 3: impactful because of the other star, assuming everybody says I agree.
Speaker 1: But let's also let's also, you know, highlight the fact
Speaker 1: that he is He's a scorer, right, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: shoot the basketball, and therefore, where those opportunities are going
Speaker 1: to come into play in floor spacing, he's gonna be
Speaker 1: one of those primary guys to get that basketball. You
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. So that's the only reason why
Speaker 1: I'm just highlighting the fact that if it was something
Speaker 1: like he's coming in to kind of help support Again,
Speaker 1: if Kawhi stays healthy, James Harden's been pretty healthy for
Speaker 1: the most part, so him I don't necessarily worry about.
Speaker 1: But if Kawhi stays healthy, Lopez stays healthy, Collins stays healthy,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, right, like all of those guys,
Speaker 1: they will be more go to guys and that will
Speaker 1: allow Bille to kind of come underneath the radar. But again,
Speaker 1: you know that could be me in the fact that
Speaker 1: I always would have loved to have seen Bradley Beal
Speaker 1: not be put in such a precarious circumstances situation, and
Speaker 1: maybe Tyron lu and Lawrence and the way that this
Speaker 1: roster is constructed will finally allow for that to happen.
Speaker 1: So it will give a little bit more oxygen to
Speaker 1: the type of talent Bradley Beal is rather than always
Speaker 1: what's off the court, like the contract situation and the
Speaker 1: constant injuries and all this other kind of stuff in
Speaker 1: an other in a very interesting division that he is
Speaker 1: obviously playing in, because it's not like he left and
Speaker 1: went to go play in the Eastern Conference and went
Speaker 1: to go play in the in the Northwest Divisions, southbat Division.
Speaker 1: He's still in the Pacific, so he's still sitting with
Speaker 1: the Warriors, the Lakers, you know, and the likes. So
Speaker 1: it's not like that has gone away, and it'll just
Speaker 1: be interesting to see what kind of productivity can actually
Speaker 1: give us. All right, seall Finally, one last thing that
Speaker 1: we wanted to get into. The Los Angeles Lakers made
Speaker 1: a play and they brought in Marcus Smart, our guy.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, the bulldog. He is now
Speaker 1: a Los Angeles Laker. I don't know how he can
Speaker 1: how he feels about it. Clearly he feels happy about
Speaker 1: it because you know the Lakers are gonna need him.
Speaker 1: I'm not I feel good because, you know, I think
Speaker 1: he was lost in space, you know, being a Washington wizard. Albeit,
Speaker 1: I thought that there could have been an opportunity for
Speaker 1: him there if they had an idea or had a
Speaker 1: clue what they were doing. But clearly the Los Angeles
Speaker 1: Lakers they needed to to kind of really fill up
Speaker 1: that depth, and they also needed a a a guy
Speaker 1: who can be a defensive bulldog kind of helps show
Speaker 1: that way. What do we make about the Marcus Smart
Speaker 1: move going to the Lakers.
Speaker 3: It says a lot about Marcus Smart. You know, two
Speaker 3: years here, being injured for the most part in that
Speaker 3: Memphis thing, and then goes to Washington and you know,
Speaker 3: plays x amount of games, doesn't really have much of
Speaker 3: an impact in neither one of those situations. But Lucan
Speaker 3: knows what it is, and Lucan knows he needs help
Speaker 3: on the defensive side of the for especially when he's
Speaker 3: out there on the floor. So if you're recruited by Luca,
Speaker 3: and you're Marcus Smart at this stage of career, you're
Speaker 3: going to answer that call, even if it means going
Speaker 3: to what is air Quot considered a rival team from
Speaker 3: the team that you played for previously in Boston. So
Speaker 3: I think it's a nice fit for for the for
Speaker 3: the Lakers. You know, he's not exactly Dring Finney Smith,
Speaker 3: you know, at this stage of his career, but he
Speaker 3: can also provide a leadership. He's been through many, many,
Speaker 3: many about although he doesn't have a championship ring per se,
Speaker 3: he knows what it is to compete at certain those levels.
Speaker 3: And I think, alongside Lebron obviously with Luca into as well,
Speaker 3: this Lakers team has done a decent job this offseason. Again,
Speaker 3: I want to go so far say that they're championship level.
Speaker 3: We'll see how it all plays, and I'm not going
Speaker 3: to get into it. All look looks so great and
Speaker 3: he's Skinny Luca and all the things that we're all
Speaker 3: get excited about in the off season because we have
Speaker 3: nothing else to talk about. But the move itself makes
Speaker 3: a lot of sense, especially at the price that they
Speaker 3: haven't at. And you know, it doesn't doesn't usually happen
Speaker 3: the other way around, where other Lakers, like longtime Lakers,
Speaker 3: end up joining Boston. It just seems to happen that
Speaker 3: long time Celtics ultimately end up playing with the Lakers
Speaker 3: at some point. So interesting conversation to be had. But
Speaker 3: I'm happy for Marcus Smart and the Lakers, and.
Speaker 1: I'm happy for Marcus as well too. I think that
Speaker 1: he is a much needed player and he needs to
Speaker 1: be on a team where what he brings to the
Speaker 1: table can be can be appreciated and valued. So somewhere
Speaker 1: along the lines, you know what that might look like
Speaker 1: with how jj Reddick, you know, you know, wants to
Speaker 1: deploy and utilize the roster great, but you know, he's
Speaker 1: always proven to be a Swiss army knife, right him
Speaker 1: to play point guard. He plays the point guard you
Speaker 1: need him, you know, to to basically d up front
Speaker 1: court players, you know, go int He does that, And
Speaker 1: I think that that was something that was so really
Speaker 1: lacking for you know, just not just a role roster perspective,
Speaker 1: for the Lakers, just in general. I think that was
Speaker 1: too much of what was expected from Lebron James, and
Speaker 1: I think you need that secondary player to be that
Speaker 1: kind of person and again alleviate the pressure off of
Speaker 1: Luca who a lot of what his attributes usually lead
Speaker 1: to or lend to itself to, is more to the
Speaker 1: offensive side of the basketball. So if you have that
Speaker 1: for multiple players from a defensive side of things, that
Speaker 1: takes the pressure off like you were alluding to with
Speaker 1: regards to Lucas. So I appreciate the fact that if
Speaker 1: the Lakers are really going to utilize Marcus Smart, he
Speaker 1: has so much opportunity in space to really help them
Speaker 1: in so many different ways and really help bolster up
Speaker 1: that backcourt, which obviously was a source spot despite the
Speaker 1: offensive productivity that they had in that second half of
Speaker 1: the season. Definitely can utilize that for their roster. Your
Speaker 1: tune to the Baseline Allie Warrenshaw discussing the hot button
Speaker 1: topics of the NBA. Coming up, We're gonna do a
Speaker 1: little face time with the Baseline with our special guest
Speaker 1: Jordan Hines. He's gonna be on board with us. We're
Speaker 1: gonna wrap with him for a few minutes, So don't
Speaker 1: go anywhere. You're tuned to the baseline. Cali Warrenshaw. Time
Speaker 1: now to do a little FaceTime with the baseline. Cali
Speaker 1: Warrenshaw the Baseline NBA podcast and on board with us
Speaker 1: to do a little face time with the baseline man.
Speaker 1: We are so excited. He is twenty twenty four to
Speaker 1: twenty five c I Double A Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: He's a leading scorer in the CI Double A, an
Speaker 1: All Conference selection. His accolades is just you know, impressive
Speaker 1: to say the least Atlantic Region Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: HBCU Division two Player of the Year, and HBC you
Speaker 1: All Star. Also responsible for hitting the game winning layup
Speaker 1: if you caught him. This year, he's been on the
Speaker 1: grind in the Miami Pro League, and he also just
Speaker 1: recently played in the TBT Tournament part of the Du
Speaker 1: Bois Dream Our Man. Jordan Hines joining us here on
Speaker 1: the baseline. Jordan, thanks for hopping on board with us
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 4: Brother, Thank God for having me.
Speaker 1: Jordan Man, listen, I'm listening off all of these accolades
Speaker 1: and stuff, which clearly means that you've been putting in
Speaker 1: this work for twenty twenty four to twenty five. So
Speaker 1: talk about what this year has been like for you.
Speaker 1: You know, is basically it for a lot of people, Man,
Speaker 1: this is this is an impressive list, an impressive list
Speaker 1: of saying to ourselves like, yo, man, I cannot wait
Speaker 1: to see him competing playing basketball in any way, shape
Speaker 1: or level, just because that tells us that this is
Speaker 1: this is this is for real for you. So talk
Speaker 1: about what this year has been like for you, everything
Speaker 1: that you've accomplished.
Speaker 2: This year was really a crazy year. It still doesn't
Speaker 2: really feel real knowing that it was just my last
Speaker 2: year of college basketball. I really just wanted to go
Speaker 2: out with a bank and really just had the best
Speaker 2: year possible. And I feel like I really accomplished that.
Speaker 2: It's just really been a lot of accolades. I feel
Speaker 2: like I really haven't been able to really just sit
Speaker 2: back and really enjoy it because I felt like the
Speaker 2: accomplishments were just coming one after another. But I was saying,
Speaker 2: I feel like once I received one, another one was
Speaker 2: coming in, so I couldn't really just enjoy the other one.
Speaker 2: But it was definitely just a blessing. I feel like
Speaker 2: it was a lot of hard work and I just
Speaker 2: give all my glory to God.
Speaker 3: Really well, Jordan, we had you on or I had
Speaker 3: you on Dope interviews, you know, a little over a
Speaker 3: year ago. I guess I was the beginning part of
Speaker 3: the junior year, and you know, just to kind of
Speaker 3: see how you've been able to take success that you
Speaker 3: had there and then continue that success into what was
Speaker 3: your your final year at Bluefield and now on the
Speaker 3: grind here, you know, trying to get into that pro aspect.
Speaker 3: What's the biggest thing that you've learned, I guess since
Speaker 3: leaving college, if you will, right and getting all those
Speaker 3: awards and now kind of on the grind to trying
Speaker 3: to establish yourself to continue your journey as a pro
Speaker 3: basketball player, Like kind of like what are the things
Speaker 3: that you learn, you know, playing at those basically between
Speaker 3: the college level and now trying to get into the
Speaker 3: pro level.
Speaker 2: I would just say, right now, I feel like my
Speaker 2: college career is pretty much behind me. I'm kind of
Speaker 2: done with that. I'm really starting over. I'm starting all over.
Speaker 2: I'm right back at the bottom. I'm really just trying
Speaker 2: to work my way up. So all my accolades and
Speaker 2: college those are all cool. I got all the trophies,
Speaker 2: I got all the memories, but that's behind me. I'm
Speaker 2: really just looking to just start a new journey and
Speaker 2: really just starting up from the bottom, really just grinding
Speaker 2: all my way to the top end, trying to get
Speaker 2: those accolades just on the professional level.
Speaker 1: So speaking of that, Jordan, you know this summer, right,
Speaker 1: you had an opportunity you participate in Miami Pro League,
Speaker 1: You had an opportunity to work out and play with
Speaker 1: the Memphis Grizzlies, and then also you competed in in
Speaker 1: the TBT, which listen by by all accounts, that is
Speaker 1: a great opportunity to be spotlighted, to be on national
Speaker 1: TV because that was you know, facilitated by Fox Sports.
Speaker 1: They were covering the TBT tournament and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: When you say, you know, all my college accolades are
Speaker 1: behind me, it's you know, now it's like I'm starting
Speaker 1: from the bottom. What is it that you initially have
Speaker 1: seen already as far as competing now that you're playing
Speaker 1: next to professional athletes all centered in whatever that you know,
Speaker 1: whatever that realm is, whether it's the TBT, the Pro
Speaker 1: League of the Memphis Grizzlies. What is the one thing
Speaker 1: that's already stood out to you? Being in that and
Speaker 1: being in that circle with those guys that are grinding
Speaker 1: just like you, to actually get an opportunity to play
Speaker 1: professional basketball.
Speaker 2: It's really just been a great experience. I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm kind of just getting a kickstart before my rookie season.
Speaker 2: I've just been around a great I've been around just
Speaker 2: a bunch of great people. Just been able to just
Speaker 2: be a sponge, just kind of just soak up a
Speaker 2: lot of game, just learn a bunch of things, just
Speaker 2: like just taking care of your body. It's a lot
Speaker 2: of long seasons in college you play around like thirty
Speaker 2: to thirty five games. Professionally, you could be playing anywhere
Speaker 2: from fifty to eighty so sometimes one hundred games a season,
Speaker 2: so really just taking care of your body, just always
Speaker 2: just being a professional on the court off the court,
Speaker 2: So just learning just different things. I feel like it's
Speaker 2: just been a great opportunity.
Speaker 3: So Jordan, I'm going to tap in because you know,
Speaker 3: as we spoke about on dop Vivendi's last time, I
Speaker 3: know you from Wow right, basically knowing your whole life,
Speaker 3: and even so, your dad was texting me when you're
Speaker 3: at Miami pro it sex with me this great picture.
Speaker 3: I think it's like Mike Beasley, Michael Beasley trying to
Speaker 3: d you up right. I know you've played really well
Speaker 3: that night or whatever the case may be. But what's
Speaker 3: it like going against some people that you saw literally
Speaker 3: like like somebody like that, Like I knew you were
Speaker 3: a kid, and now you're sharing the same court with
Speaker 3: some of those guys. And you know, I kind of
Speaker 3: have a follow up to that too, but I kind
Speaker 3: of want to stop there. You know, you're not in
Speaker 3: a space where you can truly be awestruck, but appreciating
Speaker 3: the moment. I think it's something that you know, all players,
Speaker 3: they kind of have that coming that come to Jesus moment,
Speaker 3: so to speak, because it was like for you to
Speaker 3: kind of see guys like Beasley and some other professionals
Speaker 3: that you might have seen growing up. Now you're sharing
Speaker 3: the same court with them.
Speaker 2: I mean, definitely just sharing the same court with just
Speaker 2: some of the people that you've just watched, I mean,
Speaker 2: your whole life. I feel like it's crazy, But I mean,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I feel like, now
Speaker 2: this is my job and they're uh, so I can
Speaker 2: really just be to start struck out there. I feel like,
Speaker 2: I mean, we're just going against each other, We're really competing.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, I feel like we're
Speaker 2: both doing the same thing. So, but it's definitely it's
Speaker 2: definitely a blessing just to be able to share the
Speaker 2: court with just some people that I always just looked
Speaker 2: up to and always watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and let me follow up real quick say oh sorry,
Speaker 3: you know because in that same vein I I know
Speaker 3: what you've been through, right, and even I think when
Speaker 3: you're talking about in high school, some people like with
Speaker 3: talk stuff to you. So you come in now with
Speaker 3: all these accolades after this, you know, this great senior
Speaker 3: year in had you had to deal with some of
Speaker 3: those same pressures and some of that same kind of
Speaker 3: like you know, jump talking at you like hey boy,
Speaker 3: just because you were the CIA, don't play of the year.
Speaker 3: That don't mean nothing here, Like you know, how are
Speaker 3: you handling some of that or have you met have
Speaker 3: you been met primarily with love, you know, in the
Speaker 3: situations you've been with.
Speaker 2: I would say it's been a lot of love really.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like it's basketball. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of trash stock on both sides coming from everywhere. So
Speaker 2: I mean that doesn't really get to anybody because I
Speaker 2: feel like now, at the end of the day, everybody's professional,
Speaker 2: and everybody has accolades. Everybody was good in college, everybody
Speaker 2: was the best player on their college team.
Speaker 4: So it really doesn't even matter anymore.
Speaker 1: Jordan Hines joining us here on the baseline, doing a
Speaker 1: little FaceTime with the baseline. So Jordan, I want to
Speaker 1: I want to dig into your preparation real quick, right,
Speaker 1: And I don't want you to let off any you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, any secrets or anything like that.
Speaker 1: We ain't gonna try to put you on the spot
Speaker 1: like that, but I do want to tap into what
Speaker 1: is your preparation, Like you're going into a scenario, for example,
Speaker 1: like in the pro league. What what what kind of
Speaker 1: goals are you trying to set for yourself. I know
Speaker 1: that usually athletes will say, you know, I just want
Speaker 1: to play to the best my abilities, you know, and
Speaker 1: things that nature. But I know that you, as a
Speaker 1: professional athlete, you have specific goals like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to be really efficient from shooting the three
Speaker 1: or you know, I definitely, you know, want to elevate
Speaker 1: you know, my my my interior game, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, my you know, or you know, scoring
Speaker 1: in the pain, whatever the case may be. What's your
Speaker 1: preparation like for you when you're getting ready to go
Speaker 1: out there to compete.
Speaker 2: I would just say I feel like I was always
Speaker 2: labeled as a score and I kind of just feel
Speaker 2: like that my defense was just kind of overlooked. So
Speaker 2: really just showing that I could really defend at a
Speaker 2: high level, really just guard really.
Speaker 4: Like the one through the three.
Speaker 2: Really just showcase that because I feel like professionally everybody
Speaker 2: could score the ball.
Speaker 4: Everybody's talented.
Speaker 2: So just doing all the little things, uh pick I
Speaker 2: try really just pick up full court. Really just get
Speaker 2: my teammates of all, show them I could pass, run
Speaker 2: the one. Just do things like that because I feel
Speaker 2: like everybody could score the ball, and everybody knows I
Speaker 2: score the ball.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Jordan, I think one of the things you
Speaker 3: know about your game that I've seen specifically is that
Speaker 3: that ability to defend. I think you were steals leader.
Speaker 3: I think you know, in that first season or whatever,
Speaker 3: the case would be or how to volume of model steals,
Speaker 3: but that's not like the measure of a true good
Speaker 3: defender like you pick up right. But also, I think
Speaker 3: an underrated part of the game is kind of like
Speaker 3: that secondary play creation, right, because you do pass the
Speaker 3: ball if you look for others that you're not, you know,
Speaker 3: overly selfish even though you've had to be the man
Speaker 3: in certain situations. So what advice are you getting from others,
Speaker 3: you know when it comes to that in terms of
Speaker 3: like how to make your hay and to make your
Speaker 3: way as a professional. Is it saying, hey, lock in
Speaker 3: on that defense, showcase those other parts of your game,
Speaker 3: or is that something that you're just kind of doing
Speaker 3: because you feel like it's been underrated.
Speaker 2: Really just all the feedback that I've received is pretty
Speaker 2: much so my obviously, I feel like every basketball players
Speaker 2: go is to play in the NBA. When you get
Speaker 2: to the NBA, I mean you're going to be on
Speaker 2: teams with rates Kevin Durantz, Lebron James, Stephen curryes, I
Speaker 2: mean scores. So I mean you really just have to
Speaker 2: play your role and at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: I mean you might only get three shots in a game.
Speaker 4: If that so, I mean, what other things are you
Speaker 4: going to do to impact the game?
Speaker 2: So I feel like that's just been the biggest things
Speaker 2: and really just trying to just showcase those abilities that
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 1: What are the things that you that you look to
Speaker 1: when you're competing?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Like I know that that there's some athletes they are
Speaker 1: strictly honed in on focusing on playing the game of
Speaker 1: basketball at a high level, and they don't pick up
Speaker 1: on the IQ aspects of the game of basketball, don't
Speaker 1: realize that they're standing next to very valuable resources, assistant
Speaker 1: head coaches, other athletes, players, and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: Do you see yourself as someone as a basketball lifer,
Speaker 1: like you see yourself ten to fifteen years from now,
Speaker 1: Whether or not you're playing the game of basketball professionally
Speaker 1: in some capacity, the game of basketball will be a
Speaker 1: part of your ethos, Like you see yourself maybe even coaching,
Speaker 1: you see yourself, you know, maybe out there behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Is that something that you visually see for yourself, regardless
Speaker 1: of whatever it is and everything that you're doing for
Speaker 1: that is lending itself to that aspect of it? Like,
Speaker 1: are you still absorbing and picking up those things that
Speaker 1: are making like, Wow, this is why I love the
Speaker 1: game of basketball, because I'm getting to see not just
Speaker 1: little glimpses of it, but I'm seeing everything that goes
Speaker 1: along with it.
Speaker 4: No, almost definitely.
Speaker 2: I definitely whenever the ball stops bouncing, I definitely see
Speaker 2: myself still around just sports in general, even if it's coaching.
Speaker 2: When I was in college, I was shadowing our announcer,
Speaker 2: so that's kind of what I was looking to get into.
Speaker 2: I have my own show at school called Big Blue
Speaker 2: Spotlight where I just interviewed athletes and kind of just
Speaker 2: try to just give because I know my school was
Speaker 2: a small school, so really just trying to just show
Speaker 2: a division show that we have great Division two athletes
Speaker 2: and really just give them the spotlight that they might
Speaker 2: not necessarily get all the time.
Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome, man, I love that. I love that.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I especially and I don't have bus.
Speaker 1: This is like the first time he ever speaking with you.
Speaker 1: I know Shaw has growing up with your dad, and
Speaker 1: I actually know your dad as well too, But I
Speaker 1: love up here in New Jersey. What I was so
Speaker 1: impressed by is you accomplish these at it. You know,
Speaker 1: saying at an HBCU right under the HBCU, you have
Speaker 1: reinvigorated the conversation of why HBCU is important because of
Speaker 1: not just what you did on the basketball court, but
Speaker 1: just what you're highlighting too, is that you're also doing
Speaker 1: things off the basketball court as well to to highlight
Speaker 1: those things. And I just want to give you your flowers
Speaker 1: for that, man, because we often are so focused in
Speaker 1: our own personal passions and goals that sometimes to your point,
Speaker 1: we don't stop and see how much of an impact
Speaker 1: it actually has outside of the game itself. But it's
Speaker 1: having an impact. Nah, thank you, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Joined before I let your ride out, man, just so
Speaker 3: kind of like what's next over the course of the
Speaker 3: summer again, you know, Cal alluded to come to some
Speaker 3: of the major things you were kind of already accomplished,
Speaker 3: you know, but as you look get into this here,
Speaker 3: training camp is kind of open. Obviously euro Basket's about
Speaker 3: to start here in a couple of weeks. There's gonna
Speaker 3: be opportunities to you know, join training camps. Kind of
Speaker 3: like just kind of like, what do you have kind
Speaker 3: of in your calendar in your schedule here for the
Speaker 3: next couple of weeks and months as we head towards
Speaker 3: hope will hopefully be an NBA season For the.
Speaker 2: Next couple of months or the next couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: I'm really just trying to decide if I want to
Speaker 2: go overseas. I know for the G League, I'm trying
Speaker 2: to go that route. My agent was just telling me
Speaker 2: that there's gonna be a couple of camps and stuff
Speaker 2: like that opening up in September, so probably just do that,
Speaker 2: just try to make a squad. If not, then just
Speaker 2: go overseas. So that's pretty much just my next steps,
Speaker 2: just staying ready, just being prepared for any opportunity.
Speaker 3: Is there an overseas country that is of most interest
Speaker 3: or you just you just want to it don't even matter,
Speaker 3: but is there somewhere?
Speaker 4: I mean, I might have.
Speaker 2: A couple offers on the table, but really my main
Speaker 2: thing right now, I'm trying to stay stateside and stay
Speaker 2: in the and do the G League thing. But if not,
Speaker 2: it's still just a great opportunity to be able to
Speaker 2: play basketball, and that'd be my job, just to be
Speaker 2: able to have a job and do what I love.
Speaker 4: So I can't complain.
Speaker 1: Well, Jordan, if There's one thing we definitely want to
Speaker 1: see is we want to definitely see you hooping it
Speaker 1: up on the G League if if, if, if at
Speaker 1: all possible, but if not, we'll be streaming you. Whichever
Speaker 1: country which is gonna is definitely gonna is gonna have
Speaker 1: you out there on the basketball court will definitely increase
Speaker 1: their odds to hopefully hoisting up any kind of title whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Jordan Hines, Man, you are one of one and we
Speaker 1: certainly appreciate you hopping off board with this this week.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: For all of our listeners, man, if you want to
Speaker 1: catch up with him, he is on the Insta so
Speaker 1: you can catch him at Jay Hines Underscore and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Jordan man, you know, chime in with us,
Speaker 1: let us know what's what the deal is man, and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Let us let us know where you're at.
Speaker 1: We're gonna, we know, we're gonna be following you and
Speaker 1: our listeners are gonna be doing the same as well too.
Speaker 4: Brother. Nah, definitely we're gonna be in touch. I appreciate
Speaker 4: y'all for having.
Speaker 1: Me absolutely your tuned to the baseline. Calie Warrenshaw and
Speaker 1: our special guests, Jordan Hines doing a little FaceTime with
Speaker 1: the baseline Don't Go Anywhere. We're back Cali Warrenshaw Baseline
Speaker 1: NBA podcast. Awesome, awesome conversation with our man Jordan hin Shaw.
Speaker 1: You know, I know a lot of people when they
Speaker 1: do when they do these podcasts or you know, they
Speaker 1: do these shows and things of that nature, the first
Speaker 1: inclination is probably to find, you know, a high profile athlete,
Speaker 1: you know, someone that's already playing in the NBA. And
Speaker 1: I don't think we take enough time in general. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, in general, we don't take enough time to
Speaker 1: really talk to the to the athletes that are aspiring
Speaker 1: to play at that level and really get an understanding
Speaker 1: of what the grind is like for them and what
Speaker 1: the expectation are. You know, it's usually like being highlighted
Speaker 1: in like these little you know, documentaries, where there's this
Speaker 1: level of dramatization. We don't get the uncut, unfiltered perspective
Speaker 1: of things. Now obviously, you know, we're not going to
Speaker 1: sit here and you know, try to draw out you know,
Speaker 1: any any anything per se to to make a player
Speaker 1: or an organization or anybody like that look bad. But
Speaker 1: again to your point, I appreciate the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: you're giving him a platform, or you're giving an athlete
Speaker 1: like Jordan Hines a platform for him to speak his perspective,
Speaker 1: because I think people do need to appreciate what these
Speaker 1: players actually go through to position themselves for the opportunities
Speaker 1: to even be considered to play professional, whether it's the
Speaker 1: NBA or anything of that. Like, you just just because
Speaker 1: you were great here in college doesn't mean you just
Speaker 1: get to walk out and go anywhere you please in
Speaker 1: other countries, Like there is a process even there too,
Speaker 1: And dare I say there are politics involved, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? So I just you know, again, it's
Speaker 1: just great to have those opportunities, And I'm glad Jordan
Speaker 1: was on board to kind of really speak to it,
Speaker 1: because again, you would think that based off of his resume,
Speaker 1: he should easily be like right now coming off of
Speaker 1: us us talking about what's going on with him and
Speaker 1: what he did in the summer League, or saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's he's going to basically be a
Speaker 1: part of some sort of a roster spot for professional
Speaker 1: NBA team, And that just doesn't always happen as quickly
Speaker 1: and as instantly as I think we think it should be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's beauty in the struggle, and I think being
Speaker 3: able to tell the story of that beauty is important
Speaker 3: for us here on the baseline and as a part
Speaker 3: of being the nineteen media group ethos, if you will.
Speaker 3: But Jordan is somebody who was a special individual. And
Speaker 3: it's interesting because he's saying it himself. Right, everybody's good.
Speaker 3: Everybody has thatc collages. Everybody was the best player, you know,
Speaker 3: on the proverbial team. And so that doesn't make you special,
Speaker 3: you know, in certain in certain those environments. But what
Speaker 3: does make you special is recognizing that and having the
Speaker 3: work ethic andis to try to get to the next level.
Speaker 3: Say hey, you're a great scorer, Well he said, I'm
Speaker 3: going to focus on my defense.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: No one talks about that, and nobody talks about a
Speaker 3: secondary playmaking. So that's why I think somewhere like him
Speaker 3: is poised for success at the professional level. And whether
Speaker 3: that's the NBA or overseas, He's going to be playing
Speaker 3: basketball somewhere and I'm confident of that. And there are
Speaker 3: there's stories like his all over you know, the United
Speaker 3: States and all over the world. Ironically. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you caught ironically. We just spoke about Luke a
Speaker 3: little bit earlier, but Luca and Steve Nash and some
Speaker 3: others they're basically doing like a study, you know, euro
Speaker 3: European players and what it means when you're playing at
Speaker 3: this age and trying to get to the next level
Speaker 3: versus American players. And then you can even study that
Speaker 3: certain players lose, they get burnt out because they're no
Speaker 3: longer playing for the joy of the game. They're playing
Speaker 3: to try to just do you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: because there are all this all this pressure on them
Speaker 3: to make it at X y Z level. So it's
Speaker 3: it's it's you know, I mean, it's kind of a
Speaker 3: it's a dual sided coin in it because you still
Speaker 3: want people to enjoy the game, but it doesn't mean
Speaker 3: that's all that there has to be to it. So
Speaker 3: I really liked your question about, like, well, basketball be
Speaker 3: a part of your life, whether or not you know
Speaker 3: you're getting to dribble the basketball yourself, or do you
Speaker 3: go behind the scenes in some capacity. And he was
Speaker 3: prepared for that answer, and many people are not prepared
Speaker 3: for that. They're not thinking about what will happen if
Speaker 3: I don't make it. But either way, Jordan's still young
Speaker 3: enough where he has an upper trajectory in this game,
Speaker 3: and we're going to be really excited to see what
Speaker 3: he does get to his goal here at playing professor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think and I appreciate you acknowledging that
Speaker 1: part of it, because under no circumstances, was I like
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, make it sound like he wasn't
Speaker 1: going to be successful. I actually and I know that.
Speaker 1: But I think sometimes people think that when you're asking
Speaker 1: that question, it's to kind of elicit this idea, are
Speaker 1: you thinking just beyond the game of basketball. I was
Speaker 1: also more curious about how much of this game are
Speaker 1: you getting an opportunity to absorb because to your point
Speaker 1: and what he said earlier, he's like, I haven't even
Speaker 1: had a chance to really soak in the accomplishment. And
Speaker 1: you know what, great players often are going to have
Speaker 1: that kind of a response. I don't have time for
Speaker 1: me to really appreciate what I did when I when I,
Speaker 1: you know, finish my senior year, junior or whatever year
Speaker 1: of basketball, and all of these things that you're telling
Speaker 1: me I did, I accomplished and achieved it. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe ten years from now this might be great, or
Speaker 1: somebody might remind me from the alumni staff or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I can't think about that. I gotta be thinking
Speaker 1: about the next thing. And that, I think is what
Speaker 1: impresses me a lot about what Jordan Hines is speaking
Speaker 1: to And then the other thing I wanted to highlight
Speaker 1: this shaw before we you know what I'm saying before
Speaker 1: we chime out and everything. What I really appreciate about
Speaker 1: what he was saying too, is he understands that this
Speaker 1: game is not just about what the talent reflects. It's
Speaker 1: also about what you absorb. It's about the IQ level.
Speaker 1: We are in that stage of the game, the culture
Speaker 1: of basketball where your basketball IQ has to be at
Speaker 1: the highest level. And if you're not showing that, they
Speaker 1: are not working with you.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: It's not that they don't think that you're talented. It's
Speaker 1: that they don't know what to do with that talent
Speaker 1: and ain't got the time in order to figure that
Speaker 1: part of it out. It's gonna be up to you
Speaker 1: to do that. And that's the reason why, you know,
Speaker 1: we often talk about this regarding teams like the Golden
Speaker 1: State Warriors, and teams like the Oklahoma City Thunder. You know,
Speaker 1: we didn't get to this point about talking about SGA
Speaker 1: without saying to ourselves, there's something of else to his
Speaker 1: game that is making him the great player that he is,
Speaker 1: and it's the ability to process. It's the ability to
Speaker 1: utilize that IQ. It's why we talk about the Steph Currys.
Speaker 1: It's why we talk about the Klay Thompson's. It's why
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant is now the player that he is is
Speaker 1: right and will always be. It's not just because he
Speaker 1: was able to put that ball in the basket of
Speaker 1: his efficiency. It's that he knows that when he is efficient,
Speaker 1: he is literally one of the best players in the
Speaker 1: game of basketball has ever seen to do it with,
Speaker 1: so to do it with so few and get so
Speaker 1: much out of it. Right, there are just so many
Speaker 1: aspects of how you can have an impact to the
Speaker 1: game of basket ball. And while numbers and analytics are great,
Speaker 1: we throw them out there, we use it to accentuate
Speaker 1: and build up the dollar bills for some of these players.
Speaker 1: We also understand and recognize as well too, that they
Speaker 1: are advancing the way that we think about the game,
Speaker 1: the way that we see the game the way that
Speaker 1: technology is influencing how the game is and I can
Speaker 1: see that and in a guy like Jordan Hines, he's
Speaker 1: understanding that part of the process. So even if he
Speaker 1: is not going to be a professional basketball player, so
Speaker 1: to speak, he will professionally have an influence on how
Speaker 1: the game of basketball is going to be looked at
Speaker 1: and viewed. And I think that can be applauded as
Speaker 1: well too.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, everybody has a story, and everybody's going
Speaker 3: to contribute to this game.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I'll even from my lens.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Played high school. I wasn't good enough to play college, right, so, oh,
Speaker 3: but I love basketball, So I went from high school
Speaker 3: and all right, well, maybe I want to work in basketball.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll be an agent. Oh, I don't even I
Speaker 3: don't only like being an agent. I want kiss peoples,
Speaker 3: ass all the live. All right, cool, Maybe I'll work
Speaker 3: for a team. Got to work, got to do an
Speaker 3: internship for a professional franchise. Awesome, realize this is really
Speaker 3: kind of hard work, right, So maybe do I want
Speaker 3: to write? Well, no, I'm not writing now on podcasting
Speaker 3: and you see the steps right, well, all, all I'm
Speaker 3: still connected to the game, and I think that can
Speaker 3: definitely be the case for anybody who wants to be
Speaker 3: connected with the game and whatever capacity that is, whether
Speaker 3: you want to be a player, whether you want to
Speaker 3: be a coach, whether you want to work behind the
Speaker 3: scenes and scout or whatever, or announce or podcast like,
Speaker 3: there's ways to be connected to basketball and have a
Speaker 3: contributing impact in that in that in the in the
Speaker 3: in that influence as well too. So one way another,
Speaker 3: Jordan Hines is going to be successful as well so
Speaker 3: many others that'll come after him that just love the game.
Speaker 3: If he loved the game, you'll find a way to
Speaker 3: contribute to it.
Speaker 1: One absolutely, Man, this has been a great show. Shaw,
Speaker 1: nice little kind of you know, pick me up, little
Speaker 1: wake me up before we start kind of ramping up
Speaker 1: a little bit later on, you know, as we get
Speaker 1: closer to trains.
Speaker 3: That you're going to do the way and wake me
Speaker 3: up before we go back.
Speaker 1: I'm doing a little something something before we send off.
Speaker 1: I I you know, I know we didn't kind of
Speaker 1: talk about this, Shaw, but you know, I just want
Speaker 1: to highlight, you know, a couple of significant people that
Speaker 1: we've we've lost you know recently that I feel like
Speaker 1: I have had some kind of influence on you know,
Speaker 1: our generation and you know where we are, and probably
Speaker 1: even has an influence on why we even do what
Speaker 1: we do. So if people obviously been paying attention, you know,
Speaker 1: recent passing of Malcolm Jamal Warner, we also lost Ozzy Osbourne,
Speaker 1: leasing of Blast Sabbath, and we also lost Terry bulla
Speaker 1: a k a. Hulk Hogan, And I want to I
Speaker 1: want to say this because I don't want to spend
Speaker 1: a whole lot of time on you know, acknowledging just
Speaker 1: levels of greatness. I the reason why I brought this
Speaker 1: upshaw is because they were a part of our generation,
Speaker 1: and I think for us, it's we want to make
Speaker 1: sure that you know, we we give that respective shout
Speaker 1: outs because they were they were connected to the things
Speaker 1: that we often were fascinated by growing up as a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, pro wrestling, and obviously that influence has allowed
Speaker 1: the ability for nineteen Media group to have gimmick infringement.
Speaker 1: Well I'm sure they have had their opportunity to speak
Speaker 1: about that as well too, but it's connected, right, A
Speaker 1: guy like Malcolm Jamal Warner brought an iconic character, an
Speaker 1: individual who we ourselves as black men, were able to
Speaker 1: identify what we saw from what he brought onto the camera.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: He's probably only a few years older than us, so
Speaker 1: we grew up with him and to see him expand
Speaker 1: his horizons to be the creative person that he is
Speaker 1: in so many different facets and still be relevant to
Speaker 1: this day gives us confidence that we can continue to
Speaker 1: keep doing what we've been doing and want to do
Speaker 1: it because we love doing it. And a guy like
Speaker 1: Ozzy Osbourne, hey Man, even though I grew up in
Speaker 1: hip hop, I also grew up listening to other kinds
Speaker 1: of music as well too. Black Savage was part of
Speaker 1: that fabric as well. I was rocking out to Poison
Speaker 1: and led Zeppelin, Clearwater Credence because I loved music and
Speaker 1: I will always love music. So his influence as far
Speaker 1: as what he gave us for our generation is just unmatched.
Speaker 1: All of them, you know, all of them in some way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, and it's complicated as in the perceptions
Speaker 1: of what we are, of what we feel about some
Speaker 1: of these people off what they did off the camera,
Speaker 1: off the off the air, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: We can have you can have those debates. We can
Speaker 1: have those debates, but what cannot be debated is what
Speaker 1: they meant for our generation and what they brought to
Speaker 1: us because they gave us the ability to dream, to
Speaker 1: see that there are certain things that were tangible that
Speaker 1: can be real for us, and it's allowed us to
Speaker 1: continue to keep doing those things even in this day
Speaker 1: and age. And I just want to give my flowers
Speaker 1: to the families for those that have passed away recently,
Speaker 1: and especially for our own within our own family as
Speaker 1: well too. I just want to say thank you for
Speaker 1: allowing them to be the people they are, because they
Speaker 1: allow us to be the people that we.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be remiss if I try to. I can't
Speaker 3: top that, right. I don't want to travel over a
Speaker 3: thing you just indicated, because I think it's all expertly said.
Speaker 3: I'll just close with you. Knows you talk about, you know,
Speaker 3: internal loss. You know I lost my uncle recently and
Speaker 3: you know, been kind of quiet as a result. And
Speaker 3: my uncle Patrick was somebody who was definitely an influence
Speaker 3: on me personally. Right while he wasn't a superhero and celebrity,
Speaker 3: you know that everyone is going to know, uh, he
Speaker 3: impacted me my family, a lot of my friends in
Speaker 3: a really really positive way when things were kind of right,
Speaker 3: and so I just wanted to, you know, give him
Speaker 3: his flowers as well too on this platform, you know,
Speaker 3: when paying my respects, you know, to somebody who really
Speaker 3: helped grow me, really helped raise me, showed me a lot,
Speaker 3: and showed my friends a lot. Like when I've been
Speaker 3: thinking about him, it's just been like, man, we laughed,
Speaker 3: we laughed, we've we've laughed and laughed so more and
Speaker 3: played cards and we ate food and we talked a
Speaker 3: lot of shit. And it was just he was he
Speaker 3: was a personality into that of himself and so and
Speaker 3: while again not on the level of you know, some
Speaker 3: of those who you've mentioned, that's not really what this
Speaker 3: is about. It was a celebrity to us and a
Speaker 3: celebrity to me specifically. It really helped me come the
Speaker 3: person that I am in a way that I haven't
Speaker 3: always always been able to recognize and put my finger on.
Speaker 3: But he's the reason why I'm not as shy as
Speaker 3: I probably want to be. And because he was not shy,
Speaker 3: and he kind of forced me to kind of come
Speaker 3: out of my comfort zones and you know, you with
Speaker 3: this podcast forces me to how to come out of
Speaker 3: our comfort zone. And here we are, twelve thirteen years later,
Speaker 3: still doing the baseline. So shout out to Uncle Patrick Man,
Speaker 3: we love you, we miss you, we know you're in
Speaker 3: a better place. And again shout out to Malcolm Jamal
Speaker 3: Hulk Hogan and Ozzy Osbourne as well too. And for
Speaker 3: anybody who's lost somebody you know recently or even in
Speaker 3: the past, we understand and we sympathize and we wish
Speaker 3: you absolutely well.
Speaker 1: Said listen, I'm glad you spoke to that, Shaw, because
Speaker 1: that's exactly how it should be topped off. So yeah, man,
Speaker 1: listen for everybody here tuning in, you know again, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you every day. If we don't say that enough,
Speaker 1: we're going to keep saying it until we think that
Speaker 1: you know, you know, but we appreciate everybody who's been
Speaker 1: following us, who's been following what we've been doing for
Speaker 1: the baseline. Calie Warrenshaw, we appreciate you guys.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying it, was it ten times already
Speaker 1: last two weeks. We appreciate you, guys, know we do,
Speaker 1: and we will catch up with you next time.