WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.919 This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.839 AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand 3 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:08.240 on the iHeartRadio app. There's a lot going on on 4 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:09.880 this Friday, on this fallback Friday. 5 00:00:10.039 --> 00:00:12.560 One thing that's not going on actually and is encouraging 6 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:15.560 is the briefings have stopped. And when the briefings stop 7 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:18.320 and related to the fire, you sense that there is 8 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:21.480 at least for the moment, some control around this fire 9 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:22.719 and the series of fires. 10 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:24.679 Yeah, you're talking about the eight am briefing that we've 11 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:28.879 had every single morning from La County Fire, cal Fire 12 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:32.759 and all of the local officials. That didn't happen this morning. 13 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:36.520 Good news, Palisades Fire up to thirty one percent containment, 14 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:41.640 Eaten fire sixty five percent containment with no new growth. 15 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:44.479 The follow up from yesterday on the fire we will 16 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.079 have And one of the cool things that happened is 17 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:49.520 when we got off the air yesterday, I got a 18 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:54.679 call on the hotline from a retired LAFD guy who 19 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:59.280 really laid out the super Scooper question of why. 20 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.600 We don't actually buy one as opposed to lease. 21 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:07.239 And what their actual value is in certain situations fighting 22 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:10.280 a fire and what their actual value isn't in certain, 23 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:12.200 So we're going to get into that. In fact, he's 24 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:14.920 going to join us. That'll happen the next hour. But 25 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:17.719 in any case, we will address a lot of the 26 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:20.439 fire issues as the show goes on. But we can 27 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:23.599 turn our attention a bit today to Washington. Yeah, exactly. 28 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:27.599 Yeah, there's a lot going on. Number one, you have 29 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:30.319 probably heard it, but we're going to talk about it 30 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:35.560 anyway because it's that important. The Supreme Court upholding that 31 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:42.000 TikTok ban unless somebody buys it before Sunday, likely, I'm 32 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:45.280 unlikely going to happen. President Biden already said he's not 33 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:47.719 going to enforced it. This is his last day in office. 34 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:52.480 Trump has said that he wants to put a stop 35 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:55.319 to this, put a hold on it, and we're going 36 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:56.040 to talk more about that. 37 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:57.840 Well, I think the reality is, and I've said it before, 38 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:00.640 I said it from the beginning, TikTok's going nowhere. What's happening. 39 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:02.560 You're already seeing it, Biden saying, And we're not going 40 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:06.040 to force it. Trump's administration well enforced either. They may 41 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:09.319 transfer it over to one of these richie riches who 42 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:12.360 is now around the Trump Orbit and in Washington, but 43 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:15.599 we'll see you in any case. John Decker is in 44 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:17.840 Washington to give us a sense of what's going on 45 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:20.159 in Washington on this TikTok band and more. 46 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:22.560 Hi, John, Hey, how. 47 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:24.400 Are you doing? Both of you doing today? 48 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:28.280 We are much better today. It's been an eventful week, 49 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:31.159 as you're aware, Gil, I know, bring us up to 50 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:34.560 speed on what your take is and what you're hearing 51 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:36.520 it in Washington about TikTok and beyond. 52 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:40.919 Well, I said in the more than two hours of 53 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:45.000 oral arguments last Friday in the Supreme Court, and the 54 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:48.360 decision by the Supreme Court, which is unanimous, does not 55 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:52.879 surprise me at all. The Supreme Court ruling unanimously that 56 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:57.439 this TikTok ban can essentially go into effect on Sunday. 57 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:01.639 They bought into the argument put forward by the government 58 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:06.719 by the Solicitor General of the national security concerns that TikTok, 59 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:10.280 which was owned by a Chinese company by Dance, poses, 60 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:14.960 and those national security concerns, as expressed by the Solicitor 61 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:19.560 General are that China could potentially collect the data from 62 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:23.639 the one hundred and seventy million Americans to use TikTok 63 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:27.360 the Supreme Court rejecting the First Amendment arguments that were 64 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:29.400 being made by the social media company. 65 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:32.840 So what's next though, Because Sunday comes around, the band 66 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:36.719 goes into effect. Biden says he's not going to enforce it. 67 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:37.919 Trump the same thing. 68 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:42.520 What does it all mean, Well, the duty of a 69 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:45.919 president is to enforce our laws, and that is a 70 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:50.840 constitutional mandate. The president and the president elect cannot simply 71 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.840 use an executive order to do away with this law. 72 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:59.360 It was signed by President Biden last April. If President Trump, 73 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:02.479 once he's born in on Monday, wants to do something 74 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:07.919 about this TikTok law, then his only source and solution 75 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:10.199 to this is to go back to the one hundred 76 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:13.639 nineteenth Congress, this Congress and say I want you to 77 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:18.360 undo the law that you've passed overwhelmingly in the last Congress, 78 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:21.240 and it passed in the Senate seventy nine to eighteen. 79 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:25.680 So that's the option that's really on the table for 80 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.360 President Trump once he's sworn into office. If he wants 81 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:34.839 to keep TikTok as an app, an ongoing social media 82 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:36.800 option for people who wish to use it. 83 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:39.199 That's a big mountain to climb. I should mention. 84 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:42.319 John Decker is the only lawyer who's in that White 85 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:44.879 House press course, and we're talking with John now about 86 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:47.720 the law. He knows it very very well, So John, 87 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:52.199 I'm hearing. Yeah, but Biden's kind of saying not going 88 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:55.519 to enforce it. Trump people, this again sort of just 89 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.639 the buzz is, we won't enforce it either. It seems 90 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.120 everybody wants it. There's a lot of popular support for it. 91 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:03.759 What about that you pass a law and then there's 92 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:06.959 sort of this memo of understanding that it's not going 93 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:07.759 to be enforced. 94 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:12.759 It's very strange. After all, President Biden last April signed 95 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:15.639 this law. He was one of those advocates that said 96 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:20.360 that TikTok is a national security concern to the US 97 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:23.759 And after all of that a year later to say 98 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:26.160 I'm not going to enforce it, it's very odd to me. 99 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:29.519 You know, perhaps he just wants to essentially kick the 100 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.759 ball down to the next administration and have them deal 101 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:37.240 with this issue. But it passed overwhelmingly in the House, 102 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:41.279 passed overwhelmingly in the Senate, signed by President Biden, and 103 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:44.279 indeed it is a problem that Donald Trump will now 104 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:46.800 have to take on. And a reminder with Donald Trump 105 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.519 was president, he actually signed an executive order to ban 106 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:52.959 TikTok in the US that was struck down by the 107 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:55.759 federal courts. He's now had a change of heart as 108 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.800 it relates to TikTok. In fact, the CEO of TikTok 109 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:02.879 will be attending his auguration on Monday. So there are 110 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:06.360 a lot of unknowns. But as the law stands and 111 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:10.160 upheld by the Supreme Court, TikTok, unless it's sold by 112 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:14.319 that Sunday deadline will not be available for download on 113 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:18.120 any of the apps that you use to download these 114 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:19.560 social media applications. 115 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:22.439 We know that Congress, though the new Congress, of course 116 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:26.600 as of Monday, will have a different makeup than the last. 117 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:29.600 The Republican mandate is what I'm referring to. Thoughts on 118 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:30.519 that as it. 119 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:35.040 Relates to the vote, Well, that's right, but there's a 120 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:37.519 lot of arms that you need to twist to reverse 121 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:41.240 the decision made by the one hundred and eighteenth Congress. 122 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:45.199 Seventy nine to eighteen was the vote in that last Congress, 123 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:49.480 which means you had a significant number of Republicans joining 124 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.879 with Democrats. And look, the dynamics are different now than 125 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:56.319 they were in the last Congress. Perhaps with Republicans in 126 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:58.399 control of both the House and the Senate, you get 127 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:01.600 a different outcome to try to reverse this law that 128 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:02.560 passed last year. 129 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:04.839 Yeah, but as you say, boy that those numbers are 130 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:07.120 pretty damning, I don't know that you can you can 131 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:10.240 reverse that. But nonetheless, I mean, obviously it seems as 132 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.240 though the incoming administration is on the page that the 133 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:16.439 public is on, which is in general wanting TikTok to 134 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.759 to continue. So, uh, this is a, I guess, a 135 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:23.839 developing story. But thanks John Decker, and appreciate very much 136 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:25.160 your legal perspective as well. 137 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.399 Thanks Mark, Thanks marlay. 138 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:29.600 Well. 139 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.439 Washington is rocking and rolling. This isn't you know? This 140 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:35.319 is a substantial, substantial development. 141 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:39.519 Yeah, and it's freezing as well. And there are yeah, 142 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:42.639 reports now that the inauguration is going to be moved 143 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:45.759 indoors because of the freezing temps expected one of the 144 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.839 coldest on record come Monday. So we're going to talk 145 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:48.240 about that. 146 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:50.759 Yeah, it's interesting. I told you I grew up in Washington, 147 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:51.040 d C. 148 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:53.439 So I know a lot of people who are in 149 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.160 government and at very high levels. Actually, I mean I was, 150 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:57.879 you know, I was a kid I was just but 151 00:07:58.000 --> 00:07:59.759 I would the kids I was going to school with, 152 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:02.319 like there, you know, dad was vice president and the 153 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:04.639 other dad was Secretary of Commerce and this kind of thing. 154 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:08.040 So they're going to these inaugurations, right, and all I'd 155 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:10.680 hear about is that it's so cold you just want 156 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:13.399 it to be over. And so in a way, it 157 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:15.519 is cold in Washington in January. I mean, this is 158 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:17.560 not like, well, if the weather's good, it's a beautiful thing. 159 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:21.600 My point is moving it inside is not only smart, 160 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:24.600 it should be policy. It should always be inside in 161 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:25.240 my judgment. 162 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:27.040 Yeah, I mean, and this is one of the coldest. 163 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:29.600 I mean to your point, but this forecast for Monday 164 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:31.160 is the coldest in forty years. 165 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:34.320 Yeah. I mentioned Jimmy Carter, you know, was there. He 166 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:37.240 was in the teens for Carter. I think a windshow 167 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:38.720 was in the team. So it was probably around twenty 168 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:42.799 degrees anyway, So major news out of the Middle East, right, myla. 169 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:45.000 We were waiting for this moment, and. 170 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:47.559 Yeah it was. It was supposed to happen yesterday the 171 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:51.240 vote it got delayed, and then that vote officially happened 172 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.759 early Friday local time. So it's been some hours and 173 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:59.960 now that ceasefire agreement is in effect after that quote 174 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:05.440 last minute crisis. So this is a three phase deal 175 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:10.679 that was cut and the first phase goes into effect Sunday, 176 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:13.639 just a couple of days from now, of course, and 177 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:19.320 this means the release of believe about thirty three hostages 178 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:23.559 that includes a few Americans as well. That's phase one. 179 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:27.879 It also includes as I was reading, it's hostages that 180 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:31.120 have lived and hostages that have died during this entire time. 181 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.320 So what then is It's followed then by as I 182 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:42.320 understand it, phased agreements, that is to say, releases that 183 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:45.919 will follow, particularly on the release of Palestinian prisoners on 184 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:47.360 the Israeli side, right. 185 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.919 Yeah, about twelve hundred to fifteen hundred Palestinians will be 186 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:53.320 released in exchange for the hostage release. 187 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:58.879 And there's always kind of an asymmetry between the number 188 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:03.840 of Palestinian prisoners who are released and hostage. 189 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:05.080 It just happened when. 190 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:13.679 Israeli soldiers are captured, they trade eleven hundred Palestinian prisoners 191 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.679 for the release of one Israeli soldier type thing. So 192 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:20.840 again the imbalance here. It's not a one to one release, 193 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:25.679 but this really I think most importantly, apart from that 194 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:29.240 brings an end to the fighting in Gaza. And it's 195 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:32.799 an extraordinary thing that this has gone on as long 196 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:37.159 as it has. It's been a horrifying humanitarian crisis during 197 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:38.440 all of these many months. 198 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:43.840 Yeah, you know, of course they're calling this a fragile 199 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:50.039 and extremely complex agreement, even hamas getting the hostages safely 200 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:53.200 to a handover point will present significant security challenges. So 201 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:55.519 we'll see how it all starts to play out as 202 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:58.480 of Sunday. But of course this is something that's been 203 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:02.159 in the works. We've heard over the last fifteen months 204 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:07.080 since October the seventh, of course, that there were so 205 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:10.000 many times we got close to a deal, they've reached 206 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:12.159 a deal, and then of course that just fell apart. 207 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:15.679 So we finally have accomplished this. We'll wait and see 208 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:17.080 what happens come Sunday. 209 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:20.840 And it's you know, a contentious thing in Israel. I mean, 210 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:23.759 there was never this agreement in Israel that. 211 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:26.320 On a. 212 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:31.080 Net Yaho is a very very troubled figure politically in Israel, 213 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:36.039 and there's a tremendous amount of distrust of Net Yahou 214 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:40.159 and anger toward Net Yahoo. And there's also i'd suggest 215 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:43.559 because of this hostage crisis, support for Netan Yahoo that 216 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:46.559 he wasn't getting before October seventh. 217 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.120 And you know, the Trump administration is taking a lot 218 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:54.440 of credit for this for saying not long ago, you know, 219 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:57.759 they'll be held to pay if the hostages aren't released 220 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:02.480 before I become president again. And the White House even 221 00:12:02.519 --> 00:12:08.240 confirming that Trumps did help in this final negotiation in Doha. 222 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:10.559 Well, I thought one of the encouraging things, and maybe 223 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:14.080 it's you know, one of the last encouraging things in 224 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:17.159 the sense that there is a kind of a group 225 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:20.279 effort that is claimed as a group effort, was that 226 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:25.360 both sides, Trump people and Biden people helped broker this deal. 227 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:27.360 So they did it together, and they were ready to 228 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:31.559 recognize that it took both sides them together to get 229 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:34.639 the deal done. I mean, this, for example, is a 230 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:39.120 contrast to the Reagan administration. You remember that Reagan and 231 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:42.440 this is demonstrably true. You can google what I'm about 232 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:47.720 to tell you. The Reagan administration actually back channeled with 233 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:52.080 the Iranian hostage deal such that the Iranian hostages were 234 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:56.559 not released. During the Jimmy Carter administration, the release of 235 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:02.080 the hostages was held up until Reagan was inaugurated. It 236 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:06.159 was it's horrifying to think about it. Frankly, I thought 237 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:08.519 it was. You know, when you look back at that 238 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:11.679 bit of history, it's incredible. You want to get these hostages, said, 239 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:17.200 are American hostages being held by Iranian terrorists, and the 240 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:20.279 Reagan people engineered a deal so that they would be 241 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:25.720 remain hostages until Jimmy Carter was out of office and 242 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:26.879 Reagan was in office. 243 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:29.120 So that's not what happened here, Okay. 244 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:32.799 What happened here was both sides brokeer this deal, and 245 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:37.679 the deal is actually beginning prior to Trump getting in office, 246 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:39.840 prior by a day or whatever it is. 247 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:41.879 But it's still I think. 248 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:45.159 It stands in stark contrast to that example that I 249 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:46.600 just gave you from American history. 250 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:49.679 So off the top, we were talking about the phases one, two, 251 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:53.480 and three. Learning a little bit more about that. So 252 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:57.039 Phase one, as mentioned, will last about six weeks. That 253 00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:00.559 features a ceasefire, a withdrawal of Israeli troops, swap of 254 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:03.559 hostages and prisoners as we discussed, and an influx of 255 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:08.759 humanitarian aid reportedly into Gaza. US hostages held in Gaza 256 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:12.120 will be released in that first phase the second though 257 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:15.120 the second and third phases are less developed. That's why 258 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:16.840 we don't have a lot of information. We haven't said 259 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:19.440 a lot about that. Those details will be decided during 260 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:23.600 the first phase, so those details for phase two and 261 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:25.399 three have yet to be worked out. 262 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:27.960 That's what we know. 263 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.159 And the important thing is the vote in Israel, which 264 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:33.840 had been bumped by a day, as Marla was saying, 265 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:38.320 it has now been held and that deal is underway. Again, 266 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:42.559 these are fragile arrangements. We hope this cease fire holds 267 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:49.679 and this deal continues. So building back La and southern 268 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:54.279 California after this unprecedented loss. You've done a lot of 269 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:56.559 reporting on this and I think talking to public officials. 270 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:59.960 Yeah. So first and four of us we had La 271 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:03.120 the City Council Willmen Tracy Park, she represents the eleventh 272 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:05.840 district on the La City Council. She joined me last 273 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:08.960 night on the Fox eleven News at six o'clock. And this, 274 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:11.840 of course comes on the same day that there was 275 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:16.320 some frustration of the repopulation people being able to come 276 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.039 back to their homes in evacuated zones, and earlier in 277 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.080 the day yesterday, the sheriff was saying it's going to 278 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.200 be at least a week for the majority of people. 279 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:28.799 But then there were some evacuation orders lifted and some people, 280 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.799 as Amy King has been reporting, more than ten thousand 281 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:33.519 have been allowed to go back to their homes and 282 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.639 the Palisades Fire alone, and then some yesterday got to 283 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:40.039 go back home and the Eaten Fire. Now, mind you, 284 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:41.519 a lot of these people, especially in the Eating Fire, 285 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:44.480 they don't have power, so they just got to go 286 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:46.720 check their house out, and then they left for the night, 287 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:49.440 so they're still out of their homes. Tracy park with 288 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:51.240 me last night at six. I asked her, are you 289 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:53.799 happy with the pacing of all this? And here's what 290 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:55.519 she Are you satisfied with the pace? 291 00:15:56.360 --> 00:15:59.519 No, I'm not, Sam, And I'm also not satisfied with 292 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:03.559 the level of communication or the details so that we 293 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:08.039 can manage expectations around the timing and the process for this. 294 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:12.200 These are decisions that are being made by the Unified Command, 295 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:16.559 which is led by CalFire in partnership with the Utilities 296 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:21.320 and DWP. I have been pushing hard to try to 297 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:25.840 make this happen as soon as possible, but those, unfortunately, 298 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:28.759 are decisions that are not made by the Council office. 299 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:33.200 Okay, so she's not happy with it, basically saying, my 300 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:35.639 hands are tied. This isn't a council decision. This is 301 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:40.679 a CalFire Utilities decision. Meanwhile, we did talk about rebuilding 302 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:43.919 and redevelopment, and this is pretty shocking to me. She 303 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.000 talks about how long it could be before that process 304 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:47.840 can even begin. 305 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:50.960 In addition to the orders from the Governor and the 306 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:54.960 executive directive from the Mayor, on Tuesday this week, I 307 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:58.960 introduced to a package of legislation more than two dozen 308 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:03.240 motions that le foundation for recovery and rebuilding in the 309 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:06.440 Pacific Palisades. We are going to do everything that we 310 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:10.640 can to bring services on site, to consolidate processes, and 311 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:14.119 to make this as efficient as possible. But I also 312 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:19.400 want to manage some expectations here. Everything in the Palisades 313 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:24.400 has been destroyed. All of the underground infrastructure, gas lines, 314 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:28.319 water lines are all broken, power lines above ground are 315 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:33.359 all down. Just clearing the toxic ash and debris and 316 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:36.839 rubble is likely to take nine months or a year. 317 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:42.000 So we are a ways out until actual building begins. 318 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:45.640 But we are already bringing the resources to get that done. 319 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:49.559 This is so right on what she said, and it's 320 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:51.240 so lost in all of it. 321 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:54.720 I think you've got to clear just the cleanup could 322 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:56.079 take almost a year. 323 00:17:57.160 --> 00:17:59.680 And you think about all the hazardous materials that are 324 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:04.480 coming from the cleanup as well. So it's and then 325 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:09.599 only then can the rebuilding actually begin and the permitting process. 326 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:12.480 We know that the governor has issued executive orders to 327 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:14.839 speed all of that up, and that is great, but 328 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:17.359 in the meantime, it's going to take We're going to 329 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:21.119 be in twenty twenty six before rebuilding can even begin. 330 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:25.880 You know, these plumbing fixtures, when they're melted and they're gone. 331 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:31.599 Apparently the build back on that alone is immense. I mean, 332 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:34.920 we've just talked about the cleanup being immense, but building 333 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:38.119 back what she spoke of the infrastructure, the electric the plumbing, 334 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:42.680 it's incredible. So water quality can be impacted, and you 335 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:46.400 know the campfire in Paradise, California, the Mali fires. When 336 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:49.000 an entire neighborhood is lost in a fire, the water 337 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:54.599 system is compromised often, and I'm reading more and more 338 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:58.240 about the fact that civil engineers and those who come 339 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:03.000 with great and academic training in this area say you've 340 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:06.680 got to be really careful because toxic byproducts can be 341 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:10.720 part of that water build back if you're not careful. 342 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:13.799 In other words, you can really, if you're not careful, 343 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:17.440 affect the reliability of drinking water. So these are all 344 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:19.839 things that it's not just building back the structure, it's 345 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:22.680 the infrastructure associated with it that really has to be focused. 346 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:24.039 To me, Yeah, you hit the nail on the head 347 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:25.559 with that. And then of course there's all the talk 348 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:31.720 about building back smarter, more fireproof, if you will, fireproofing, 349 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:37.480 but even fire officials say that fire proofing entirely is 350 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:39.960 not possible. You know, it is possible to design a 351 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:44.240 building that won't easily easily ignite, But then again, when 352 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:47.960 you are dealing with home heart, when you're dealing with 353 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:51.720 these extreme situations like what we just dealt with, those 354 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:53.359 protections can only do so much. 355 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:58.359 Right, These are supercharged flames, and if they're setting a 356 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:04.319 blaze long enough, entire area, even even concrete and glass 357 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:07.240 is going to go. And we talked to a couple 358 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:09.680 of people just in the this week who have lost 359 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:13.440 homes and structures in Malibu, and they'd had those building 360 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:17.920 materials exactly exactly so we know that, so this is 361 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:22.759 a monumental task ahead, but it will continue. And it's 362 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:25.160 a question of and there are you know, there are 363 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:26.680 a couple of things. Will take a quick break and 364 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:28.079 then I just will button it out with There are 365 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:33.319 a couple of things that municipalities, cities and cooperative agreements 366 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:37.720 between the public and those entities are doing to make 367 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:42.119 things fast tracked and to help with rebuilding and building 368 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:44.480 materials I'm talking about. We'll just touch on that a 369 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:47.000 little bit when we come back. Also in the next hour. 370 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:48.960 I just want to mention again we had the question 371 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:51.880 about the Super Scoopers and how much they are and 372 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:56.279 whether it's worth it, and I got that call yesterday 373 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:58.240 right when we got off the air, and Steve Kraeker 374 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:00.160 is brilliant and he will just set us straight on 375 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:03.839 exactly the value of these Super Scoopers and why we 376 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:05.359 lease instead of buy. 377 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:06.480 It's always fun. 378 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:09.319 On Friday on the Gary and Shannon Show, Mark and 379 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:10.160 Marla's sitting in. 380 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:11.880 They'll be back on Monday. 381 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:15.839 We're just talking about the rebuild effort in La after 382 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:19.079 these devastating fires. I mean, it's a monumental task. We 383 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:22.720 mentioned the cleanup alone could take a year or more. 384 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:24.599 I mean a year might be an optimistic. 385 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:29.799 Yes, So Councilwoman Tracy Park, who represents part of the 386 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:33.519 Pacific Palisades for the La City Council, she was with 387 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:36.160 me last night and said estimated nine months to a 388 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:39.319 year for the debris to be removed, but then there 389 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:42.039 are estimates that it could take years. A lot of 390 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:44.680 that because of the topography of the land as well 391 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:47.559 as the sheer amount of toxic materials that need to 392 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:53.240 be collected. So we're looking at probably a very very 393 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:56.640 long timeline before rebuilding can begin. 394 00:21:57.319 --> 00:21:58.960 But you're gonna have to and you're gonna have to find, 395 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:02.400 you know, demic changes that are going to have to 396 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:04.720 go into place in terms of building materials. And you know, 397 00:22:04.759 --> 00:22:07.240 we were saying before the break that these fire resistant 398 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:10.440 materials they won't, you know, bullet proof your house in 399 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:14.680 effect from fire, but they will help. And obviously I 400 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:18.920 think the build well the structures that are rebuilt will 401 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:21.599