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Speaker 3: Good morning you too.
Speaker 1: You guys are up to something here that really is
going to open up a lot of hearts as well
as tummies, because I mean, you've got something that's just
I want to explore it even more and and I
want to activate it and then get it out there
on the streets and get this thing into people's lives.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: How did you even bump into this, because you know
how it is when you know so many people, you know,
you show up on Sundays and then we go out
and we have lunch afterwards, and it sure isn't what
you've got inside your book we're having for lunch after church.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's pretty interesting. We have both been
to many churches sharing a message of health and hope
over the last few decades. And it always amazes me
when people look at a plate sitting for them that
probably contains a little bit of food, but mostly with
the Bible calls filth and they say Heavenly Father, I
pray that you would bless this food for the nourishment
of our bodies. And the bottom line is God either
blessed it or cursed it prior to arriving on your plate.
And I made this statement once Senate certainly raised some eyebrows.
Imagine years ago and I'm dating myself, plugging in a
pornographic DVD or looking at something on your screen like
that and saying, Lord, bless this material for the nourishment
of my soul and spirit. We cannot go against God's
plan and expect blessings as a result.
Speaker 1: But you know how it is, though you've got even
the naysayers. You'll sit there and say, the only thing
I've ever heard about is bread falling from the sky
with fish, And then we sit there and we have
the wine. It's going. You need to look deeper into
this because and this is why I want to look
deeper into a doctor as well as Jordan, is the
fact that I want to know what the woman at
the well was. We knew she went there for water,
but tell me what she was doing for nourishment, or
even Samson, what was Samson doing to stay in shape?
And that's what I want to learn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, probably Darien learn panics Jensen.
Speaker 2: But outside of that, I would say, and and by
the way that the Bible does reference herbs, references leaves
for healing, there is a lot of content in the
Bible that when you read deeper, it's it's very eye
opening in terms of the power it has for healing
our body, for strengthening our mind.
Speaker 3: And so let's talk about this a little bit.
Speaker 2: By the way, I just want to mention so in
this book the Biblio Diet Jordan and I wrote, we
talk about how my mom was cured from cancer naturally
without chemotherapy, without radiation, using principles from the Bible. I
was healed from a life threatening infection. Jordan healed cancer
and crones and colitis with these principles.
Speaker 3: But I think it really all starts.
Speaker 2: With uh, with with with following the right diet. And
so the diet is going to be high in fat,
high in protein, lower in carbs, to very high in
antioxidants and fiber. So doing a lot of wild grass
fed meat, like grass fed beef and bison and lamb,
doing wildcot fish, that's a basis of the diet. Doing
a lot of vegetables, doing nutrient dense fruit like extra
virgin olive oil, pomegranates and figs, doing raw organic dairy.
Speaker 3: Products and honey.
Speaker 2: I would say that's sort of the basis of the
diet when you look at what we should be eating.
In addition, though, the Bible references many herbs that have
great benefits, like saffron, which is referenced by Solomon.
Speaker 3: We know that's probably the.
Speaker 2: Optimal herb today for depression, for focus, for brains.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot out there.
Speaker 2: And then Jordan wrote about in the book that we
wrote together about healing leaves, so leaves from your average trees,
those might be the most powerful form of medicine that
people don't know about today.
Speaker 1: I live in a forest. I've been taking care of
this forest since nineteen ninety seven, So I've got a
lot of pines out here, white pines, and you know,
the and the typical elm. What kind of leaves are
we talking about here, because all leaves I have no
problem with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Era, we are actually talking about fruit tree leaves.
But the good news is based on Ezepio forty seven
to twelve, Revelation twenty two to the fruit will be
for food and the leaves for healing. And God's definition
of fruit could also be nuts. And believe it or not,
within those white pine cones, you've got some pine nuts,
and so pine needles absolutely fall into that. Realm elm
would not. But if you've got some oak, if you've
got some hickory, if you've got some walnut or hazel
nut or pawpaw or per simon. Not sure where in
the country you are, I miss that, but you probably
have at least twelve fruit trees where you can consume
those leaves. And in those leaves you're gonna find medicine,
not only according to the Bible, but according to science.
And for the first time really ever, we're unpacking what
those two scriptures are. Where there is the Hebrew and
later the Greek word for therapy, and yet we've missed
it all these years. But a most excitingly for people,
this is the first and only diet that recommends, not allows,
recommends red meat, bread, dairy, salt and fat, all things
we've been told not to eat that have been vilified.
But yet in the Bible, these are the foods that
people ate to be strong and healthy, and by the way,
when it comes to Samson, we don't know exactly what
he ate other than honey from the inside of a
lion carcass. So I'm not sure that's easy for people
to find this day and age. But we do know
that Moses was one hundred and twenty and when he died,
according to scripture, he was still able to father a child.
Speaker 3: He was strong, and.
Speaker 4: We knew that Caleb at age eighty five was ready
to conquer giants as much as he was when he
was forty five after eating a whole lot of manna
and a whole lot of quail. So the bottom line
is the biblical principles of eat what God created for
food in a form that is healthy for the body
has never been easier to do. It's delicious, and it
will unlock you from probably years of prison that is
in your own your own body is in due to
ill health, and I know mine was, and I am
so blessed to be free from that.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know you speak of that. Honey. We have
a little old man here in the forest, one of
the most trusted, one of the probably one of the
most healthiest man, and he's a beekeeper and he will
walk around the neighborhood saying how's your health today? I said,
my health is doing good. Sir, You're welcome, because he's saying,
you're I've got the bees, you're eating my bee honey.
So but he takes credit for that.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, we've talked about this before, Josh and I,
but beekeepers are now known as the healthiest profession apiarians
in certainly in America. And it's a combination of what
they're eating and maybe even the stressors of the bees things.
But we definitely need more bees, We need to consume
more whole and healing foods. But just the idea that
the Bible talks about honey is healing and now science
is caught up or starting to is really amazing.
Speaker 1: So the thing that catches my attention right away is
first of all, the fats. And that's like I've really
taken up devouring a lot of olives, and it's because
people have said there's a lot of fats in there
that get rid of things inside your body. So the
more and more I dig into this, listeners need to
understand this. This is not, you know, a crazy diet
plan that comes from different areas of the world. This
is one that is solid, that actual has physical proof
that it works. And that's why I want to dive
into a deeper because I want to activate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt to study after study shows that
the foods that you can eat on the bibliting of
diet or biblically based diet can help heal numerous conditions.
Everything we've talked about from cancer to autoimmune disease, to
losing weight quickly, to dealing with infertility, helping men boost
low testosterone levels based on this diet that's talked about
in the Bible and eating a biblically based livestone.
Speaker 3: One of the things we do in the book is.
Speaker 2: Jordan and I really walked through here's the exact foods
to eat, including some recipe ideas. We go through a
lot of the herbs that are talked about in the Bible.
We talk about the lifestyle. In fact, the Bible talks
a lot about walking, right, So Jesus walked an average
of ten miles a day. On some days he would
walk an entire marathon. So just getting outside and walking
an hour day, that benefits are tremendous. But we go
through all the details in the book on exactly how
to do that.
Speaker 3: But you're right.
Speaker 2: I mean, extra virgin olive oil is one of the
most healing foods. Effect if there's just one type of
fat you should get on a regular basis, it's going
to be extra virgin olive oil, followed by the Omega
three fatty acids, fat and things like salmon. But switching
over to a really high quality olive oil, it should
be what you use for pretty much, you know, even
low temperature cooking on your salads, sprinkling on vegetables.
Speaker 3: It's an incredible healing food.
Speaker 4: What an arrow. I and my family we take a
shot of olive oil every night nice and we buy
a really high quality You can look even on Amazon
and at other stores for a high polyphenol olive oil.
It's actually considered medicine in Greece, and they consume a
tablespoon to an ounce in a shot glass every day
really as their nutrition and medicine. And in Job twenty nine,
the Man of God said that when he was in
his prime, the streets flowed with cream and the rocks
poured out olive oil. Those were cherished above all. And
I got to tell you, if it's good enough for
job and his prime. I want some cream and olive
oil in my diet every single day.
Speaker 1: What's your gut on vinegar, because I always think that,
you know, you think of vinegar and you think, oh,
it's the bottle of wine that didn't make it. But man,
I still think that vinegar is a powerful, powerful tool.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: We hear a lot about apple cider vinegar. But yes,
many types of vinegars that are made in a healthful way,
including certain balsamic vinegars, can be very good for your health.
They have certain organic acids, acetic acid, malic acid. They've
got metabolites known as post biotics if they're made healthfully,
and they are really great to dull your appetite or
dull your cravings a bit. So if you consume apple
cider vinegar, for example, prior to a meal, you're likely
to eat less and your post meal blood sugar does
not rise and cause you to store fat. So vinegars
can be really beneficial, as can a little bit of wine.
But the problem is today most wine has added sugar
during the fermentation, very different from the wine that Paul
told Timothy to drink for his stomach aches.
Speaker 1: That he has to there's more with doctor Josh acts
and Jordan Ruben coming up next the name of the book,
the Biblio Diet. We are back with doctor Josh and Jordan.
You're spot on when it comes to like with the
vinegar and with you know, with with different like with
the olive oil and things, because it does it limits
your appetite. Because I added not only the olives, but
sauer kraut and everything. There's so much of this book
that I already put into my life. And the thing is, though,
is that you're right about the appetite thing. It slows
it down. I've gone from two eleven to one seventy three,
and it's all because I am so close to your diet.
I think that's the reason why I love everything that's
in this book is because I'm doing it. It's the
stuff that I've added to my life.
Speaker 2: That is a amazing. Yeah, that's amazing, amazing. Well, you
know the Biblico diet, and I know the diet you're
following again, more protein, more fiber, more healthy fat and
more nutrents. And you're getting foods like pomegranate and figs
and olive oil and the foods the Bible talks about.
Speaker 1: But you know what, Everybody looks at me when I
tell them that I'm doing this, and they'll go ooh,
what does that taste like? And I say, look, with
a little bit of olive oil and with some olive garden,
a little salad dressing, you're fine. It'll all mix together.
It doesn't seem right, but it is right.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: And by the way, butter is back. In fact, I
had a pretty malicious dinner last night, like usual, but
I cook in butter. I'll cook indie sometimes, which is clarified.
Butter tallow is a good animal fat to cook in.
But butter is your friend. Butter contains many nutrients. There's
a reason why we crave animal fats because they are nourishing.
They actually satiate us. And I believe we're going to
see what this new Maha movement that the food pyramid
and dietary recommendations are greatly revised. This idea that saturated
fat is bad, It is a total lie. Couldn't be
further from the truth. And most people who eat real
fats get real thin and arrow. Think about it. Why
would we have these expressions. The cream rises to the
top when we talk about somebody achieving or or the
crees the cream of the crop. There's a reason why
these sayings exist. And there's a reason, and it's an
nefarious one. Why we have been recommending to eat a
certain way in America, to avoid foods that we love,
avoid foods that have nourished us and our ancestors for
thousands of years. Even in the Bible, a prophecy in
Isaiah talking about the Messiah said, and kurds and honey
will he eat in order to choose the good and
refuse the evil. That's one translation. Curd is going to
be some type of cheese with full fat in it.
And we know that honey is so much more than
just sugar. We already talked about that. The Bible consistently
praises red meat. In fact, twice an angel of the
Lord appeared once to Abraham, once to the parents of Samson.
In both times they prepared either a fatted calf or
a young goat, both red meat, and when the high
priests were ordained, they consumed red meat and bread. The
list goes on and on, not the least of which
is King Solomon's daily provisions. The wisest meal on earth
involved bread, all kinds of red meat and poultry. And
this is a man who literally made five billion dollars
a year as his salary, according to scripture, just in
silver and gold. He had the most money, the greatest wisdom,
lived in a time of peace, and he chose to
eat every day red meat, bread, and poultry. And yet
we have I've avoided some of these foods erroneously and
to our detriment for years. The bibliodiet is the most
delicious way of eating known to man.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because I'm a Montanin and
my father was just a strict man who led a
lot of people in World War two, but he would
make us eat the gristle on the beef, on the meat,
and he used to say, it's good for you. And
now sitting here listening to you, so are we. Is
that the kind of fat we're talking about in these meats.
It's okay to eat some of that gristle. Just put
it in your body and let it do its job.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, I think when you look at the ligaments
and the tendons and the connective tissue of animals, they're
actually very high in collagen, more than anything that there's
a small amount of out there. But the biggest reason
that's beneficial is because all of the collagen, and this collagen,
if you're eating it from chicken as well, you're getting
something called glucosamine, condroint and hyaluronic acid. These are incredible
for joint health, incredible for gut health.
Speaker 3: They reduce inflammation.
Speaker 2: So you know, we today typically just eat the muscle
meat of the animals and we discard the bones, we
discard the organ meats. The most nutrient dense part of
most of these animals are their organs and their connective tissues,
which have so many benefits for healing the body. You know,
in a lot of cultures, if you go to Europe,
they're going to be eating things like liver. Now today
we're not saying you have to go and eat liver,
but you can take capsules and liver supplements and they're
high in iron and copper and vitamin B twelve and
many nutrients that build our blood support our detoxification systems
have loads of benefits that Jordan and I both and
I guarantee we both this morning did organ you know,
organ glanulars as capsules or tablets as a supplement because
this is something our ancient ancestors got, it's something we
should be getting.
Speaker 3: And again, the Bible.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're eating a Biblical based diet, you
are going to be drinking a lot of things like
bone broth, which has a lot of these nutrients and
has great benefits.
Speaker 1: But here's my thing, and I'm praying that you guys
can help me understand this. I've not been a fan
of the chicken, and the reason why is because we
raised chickens out there in Montana. I know what we
fed those chickens. I know that chickens are scavengers. Why
is it it is so high on the protein list,
But I know what those chickens are eating.
Speaker 4: Well, I think era we have to look back to
what ancient poultry consumed and how people consume them. The gizzard,
that is, being a bird that God says is okay
for us to eat, does a great job of purifying
what's eating and turning it into healthy food. Bottom line, though,
when you're gonna eat chicken, eating a chicken sandwich that's
fried from the chicken breast of a bird that has
been treated horribly, he's not the way to go. You
want to consume the dark meat, you want to consume
some of the white meat, you want to consume an
extract of the bone. So really, the way that poultry
was consumed for thousands of years was in the form
of a chicken soup or a bone broth, and it
is one of the most healing foods on the planet.
You're getting muscle building protein, connective tissue building protein poultry.
According to Biblical history, and even some of the wisest
physicians we're talking about a thousand years ago, believed that
it was an amazingly soothing food for the body. Now
we love red meat too, but if you're going to
consume poultry, don't just consume the white meat. Consume the
dark meat, make a soup stock or broth out of it.
And yes, you want to buy poultry where they are
fed properly. We raised birds, chickens, ducks, turkeys, and geese
on our farms. They eat incredibly well because we let
them eat whatever they want and we feed them with
produce food scraps, so they're probably getting the best diet
of anyone on the planet. Conventional poultry is fairly unhealthy
because they are raised really terribly.
Speaker 1: It is awful.
Speaker 4: If you think about a chicken farm, it is nothing
like old McDonald nursery rhymes.
Speaker 3: I can tell you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we used to take the old milk and
let it curd up and really get kind of ugly.
The human would sit there and say, oh, no way,
and then give it to the chickens. But it made
their eggs harder. It made it so much better, and
the chickens always looked more healthier. So it's like borrowing
from another animal to make that chicken stronger and healthier
into taking care of us.
Speaker 4: We did exactly the same thing.
Speaker 3: You are spot on there.
Speaker 1: Wow, God, twenty minutes with you is just not enough.
Where can people go to find out more about what
you guys are doing and how can we incorporate it
before we hit the big G Mart or some international store.
Speaker 4: Absolutely so, if you go to the Bibliodiet dot com,
not only can you get some great recipes all kinds
of information. Subscribe to the Biblical Health Journal and you
can get a free chapter of the Biblio Diet as
a download called Healing Leaves, where we introduce what we
believe to be the most healing subsistence ever known to
man coming right out of Ezekiel forty seven to twelve
and Revelation twenty two to two, it'll blow your mind.
Speaker 1: I want Stephen Ferdick to to really praise on this book.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: I want him to get up there say you need
to be on the biblio diet and these guys are
speaking today. That's my dream now to see you guys
at Elevation Church to share with us what you have
learned over the years.
Speaker 4: Well, we have already talked to Elevation about helping the
staff get healthy, and we can see what we can
see about doing that. We'd love to We're gonna be
launching a Bible study program across the United States in
January called the Bibliodiet Study Guide and Video Curriculum. So
we really want to help rally the church. Our dream
is to see God's people as the healthiest people in
the world like they once were back in the day.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, please come back to this show anytime
in the future. The door is always going to be
open for you.
Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Arrow, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You guys be brilliant today.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you. Likewise,