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Speaker 2: More than Arrow.

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Speaker 3: Good morning you too.

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Speaker 1: You guys are up to something here that really is

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going to open up a lot of hearts as well

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as tummies, because I mean, you've got something that's just

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I want to explore it even more and and I

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want to activate it and then get it out there

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on the streets and get this thing into people's lives.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: How did you even bump into this, because you know

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how it is when you know so many people, you know,

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you show up on Sundays and then we go out

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and we have lunch afterwards, and it sure isn't what

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you've got inside your book we're having for lunch after church.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's pretty interesting. We have both been

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to many churches sharing a message of health and hope

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over the last few decades. And it always amazes me

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when people look at a plate sitting for them that

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probably contains a little bit of food, but mostly with

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the Bible calls filth and they say Heavenly Father, I

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pray that you would bless this food for the nourishment

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of our bodies. And the bottom line is God either

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blessed it or cursed it prior to arriving on your plate.

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And I made this statement once Senate certainly raised some eyebrows.

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Imagine years ago and I'm dating myself, plugging in a

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pornographic DVD or looking at something on your screen like

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that and saying, Lord, bless this material for the nourishment

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of my soul and spirit. We cannot go against God's

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plan and expect blessings as a result.

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Speaker 1: But you know how it is, though you've got even

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the naysayers. You'll sit there and say, the only thing

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I've ever heard about is bread falling from the sky

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with fish, And then we sit there and we have

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the wine. It's going. You need to look deeper into

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this because and this is why I want to look

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deeper into a doctor as well as Jordan, is the

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fact that I want to know what the woman at

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the well was. We knew she went there for water,

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but tell me what she was doing for nourishment, or

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even Samson, what was Samson doing to stay in shape?

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And that's what I want to learn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, probably Darien learn panics Jensen.

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Speaker 2: But outside of that, I would say, and and by

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the way that the Bible does reference herbs, references leaves

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for healing, there is a lot of content in the

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Bible that when you read deeper, it's it's very eye

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opening in terms of the power it has for healing

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our body, for strengthening our mind.

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Speaker 3: And so let's talk about this a little bit.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I just want to mention so in

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this book the Biblio Diet Jordan and I wrote, we

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talk about how my mom was cured from cancer naturally

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without chemotherapy, without radiation, using principles from the Bible. I

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was healed from a life threatening infection. Jordan healed cancer

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and crones and colitis with these principles.

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Speaker 3: But I think it really all starts.

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Speaker 2: With uh, with with with following the right diet. And

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so the diet is going to be high in fat,

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high in protein, lower in carbs, to very high in

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antioxidants and fiber. So doing a lot of wild grass

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fed meat, like grass fed beef and bison and lamb,

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doing wildcot fish, that's a basis of the diet. Doing

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a lot of vegetables, doing nutrient dense fruit like extra

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virgin olive oil, pomegranates and figs, doing raw organic dairy.

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Speaker 3: Products and honey.

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diet when you look at what we should be eating.

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great benefits, like saffron, which is referenced by Solomon.

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Speaker 3: We know that's probably the.

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Speaker 2: Optimal herb today for depression, for focus, for brains.

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot out there.

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Speaker 2: And then Jordan wrote about in the book that we

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wrote together about healing leaves, so leaves from your average trees,

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those might be the most powerful form of medicine that

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people don't know about today.

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Speaker 1: I live in a forest. I've been taking care of

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this forest since nineteen ninety seven, So I've got a

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lot of pines out here, white pines, and you know,

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the and the typical elm. What kind of leaves are

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we talking about here, because all leaves I have no

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to twelve, Revelation twenty two to the fruit will be

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for food and the leaves for healing. And God's definition

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of fruit could also be nuts. And believe it or not,

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within those white pine cones, you've got some pine nuts,

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and so pine needles absolutely fall into that. Realm elm

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would not. But if you've got some oak, if you've

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nut or pawpaw or per simon. Not sure where in

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the country you are, I miss that, but you probably

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have at least twelve fruit trees where you can consume

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those leaves. And in those leaves you're gonna find medicine,

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not only according to the Bible, but according to science.

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those two scriptures are. Where there is the Hebrew and

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later the Greek word for therapy, and yet we've missed

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it all these years. But a most excitingly for people,

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this is the first and only diet that recommends, not allows,

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recommends red meat, bread, dairy, salt and fat, all things

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we've been told not to eat that have been vilified.

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people ate to be strong and healthy, and by the way,

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when it comes to Samson, we don't know exactly what

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he ate other than honey from the inside of a

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lion carcass. So I'm not sure that's easy for people

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to find this day and age. But we do know

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that Moses was one hundred and twenty and when he died,

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according to scripture, he was still able to father a child.

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Speaker 3: He was strong, and.

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Speaker 4: We knew that Caleb at age eighty five was ready

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to conquer giants as much as he was when he

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was forty five after eating a whole lot of manna

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and a whole lot of quail. So the bottom line

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is the biblical principles of eat what God created for

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food in a form that is healthy for the body

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has never been easier to do. It's delicious, and it

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will unlock you from probably years of prison that is

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in your own your own body is in due to

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ill health, and I know mine was, and I am

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so blessed to be free from that.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you know you speak of that. Honey. We have

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a little old man here in the forest, one of

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the most trusted, one of the probably one of the

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most healthiest man, and he's a beekeeper and he will

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walk around the neighborhood saying how's your health today? I said,

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my health is doing good. Sir, You're welcome, because he's saying,

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you're I've got the bees, you're eating my bee honey.

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but beekeepers are now known as the healthiest profession apiarians

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in certainly in America. And it's a combination of what

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they're eating and maybe even the stressors of the bees things.

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more whole and healing foods. But just the idea that

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the Bible talks about honey is healing and now science

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is caught up or starting to is really amazing.

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Speaker 1: So the thing that catches my attention right away is

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first of all, the fats. And that's like I've really

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taken up devouring a lot of olives, and it's because

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people have said there's a lot of fats in there

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that get rid of things inside your body. So the

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more and more I dig into this, listeners need to

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understand this. This is not, you know, a crazy diet

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plan that comes from different areas of the world. This

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is one that is solid, that actual has physical proof

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that it works. And that's why I want to dive

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into a deeper because I want to activate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt to study after study shows that

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the foods that you can eat on the bibliting of

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diet or biblically based diet can help heal numerous conditions.

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Everything we've talked about from cancer to autoimmune disease, to

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losing weight quickly, to dealing with infertility, helping men boost

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low testosterone levels based on this diet that's talked about

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in the Bible and eating a biblically based livestone.

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Speaker 3: One of the things we do in the book is.

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Speaker 2: Jordan and I really walked through here's the exact foods

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to eat, including some recipe ideas. We go through a

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lot of the herbs that are talked about in the Bible.

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We talk about the lifestyle. In fact, the Bible talks

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a lot about walking, right, So Jesus walked an average

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of ten miles a day. On some days he would

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walk an entire marathon. So just getting outside and walking

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an hour day, that benefits are tremendous. But we go

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through all the details in the book on exactly how

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to do that.

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Speaker 3: But you're right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, extra virgin olive oil is one of the

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most healing foods. Effect if there's just one type of

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fat you should get on a regular basis, it's going

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to be extra virgin olive oil, followed by the Omega

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three fatty acids, fat and things like salmon. But switching

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over to a really high quality olive oil, it should

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be what you use for pretty much, you know, even

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low temperature cooking on your salads, sprinkling on vegetables.

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Speaker 3: It's an incredible healing food.

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Speaker 4: What an arrow. I and my family we take a

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shot of olive oil every night nice and we buy

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a really high quality You can look even on Amazon

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and at other stores for a high polyphenol olive oil.

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tablespoon to an ounce in a shot glass every day

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really as their nutrition and medicine. And in Job twenty nine,

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the Man of God said that when he was in

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his prime, the streets flowed with cream and the rocks

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poured out olive oil. Those were cherished above all. And

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job and his prime. I want some cream and olive

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oil in my diet every single day.

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Speaker 1: What's your gut on vinegar, because I always think that,

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you know, you think of vinegar and you think, oh,

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it's the bottle of wine that didn't make it. But man,

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I still think that vinegar is a powerful, powerful tool.

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Speaker 4: We hear a lot about apple cider vinegar. But yes,

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many types of vinegars that are made in a healthful way,

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including certain balsamic vinegars, can be very good for your health.

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They have certain organic acids, acetic acid, malic acid. They've

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got metabolites known as post biotics if they're made healthfully,

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and they are really great to dull your appetite or

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dull your cravings a bit. So if you consume apple

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cider vinegar, for example, prior to a meal, you're likely

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to eat less and your post meal blood sugar does

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not rise and cause you to store fat. So vinegars

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can be really beneficial, as can a little bit of wine.

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But the problem is today most wine has added sugar

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during the fermentation, very different from the wine that Paul

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told Timothy to drink for his stomach aches.

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Speaker 1: That he has to there's more with doctor Josh acts

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and Jordan Ruben coming up next the name of the book,

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the Biblio Diet. We are back with doctor Josh and Jordan.

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You're spot on when it comes to like with the

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vinegar and with you know, with with different like with

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the olive oil and things, because it does it limits

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your appetite. Because I added not only the olives, but

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sauer kraut and everything. There's so much of this book

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that I already put into my life. And the thing is, though,

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is that you're right about the appetite thing. It slows

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it down. I've gone from two eleven to one seventy three,

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and it's all because I am so close to your diet.

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I think that's the reason why I love everything that's

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Speaker 2: That is a amazing. Yeah, that's amazing, amazing. Well, you

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know the Biblico diet, and I know the diet you're

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following again, more protein, more fiber, more healthy fat and

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more nutrents. And you're getting foods like pomegranate and figs

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Speaker 1: But you know what, Everybody looks at me when I

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tell them that I'm doing this, and they'll go ooh,

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what does that taste like? And I say, look, with

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a little bit of olive oil and with some olive garden,

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a little salad dressing, you're fine. It'll all mix together.

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It doesn't seem right, but it is right.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, butter is back. In fact, I

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had a pretty malicious dinner last night, like usual, but

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I cook in butter. I'll cook indie sometimes, which is clarified.

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Butter tallow is a good animal fat to cook in.

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But butter is your friend. Butter contains many nutrients. There's

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a reason why we crave animal fats because they are nourishing.

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They actually satiate us. And I believe we're going to

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see what this new Maha movement that the food pyramid

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and dietary recommendations are greatly revised. This idea that saturated

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fat is bad, It is a total lie. Couldn't be

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further from the truth. And most people who eat real

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fats get real thin and arrow. Think about it. Why

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would we have these expressions. The cream rises to the

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top when we talk about somebody achieving or or the

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crees the cream of the crop. There's a reason why

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these sayings exist. And there's a reason, and it's an

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nefarious one. Why we have been recommending to eat a

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certain way in America, to avoid foods that we love,

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avoid foods that have nourished us and our ancestors for

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thousands of years. Even in the Bible, a prophecy in

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Isaiah talking about the Messiah said, and kurds and honey

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will he eat in order to choose the good and

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refuse the evil. That's one translation. Curd is going to

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be some type of cheese with full fat in it.

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And we know that honey is so much more than

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just sugar. We already talked about that. The Bible consistently

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praises red meat. In fact, twice an angel of the

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Lord appeared once to Abraham, once to the parents of Samson.

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In both times they prepared either a fatted calf or

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a young goat, both red meat, and when the high

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priests were ordained, they consumed red meat and bread. The

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list goes on and on, not the least of which

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is King Solomon's daily provisions. The wisest meal on earth

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involved bread, all kinds of red meat and poultry. And

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this is a man who literally made five billion dollars

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a year as his salary, according to scripture, just in

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silver and gold. He had the most money, the greatest wisdom,

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lived in a time of peace, and he chose to

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eat every day red meat, bread, and poultry. And yet

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we have I've avoided some of these foods erroneously and

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to our detriment for years. The bibliodiet is the most

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delicious way of eating known to man.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because I'm a Montanin and

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my father was just a strict man who led a

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lot of people in World War two, but he would

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make us eat the gristle on the beef, on the meat,

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and he used to say, it's good for you. And

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now sitting here listening to you, so are we. Is

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that the kind of fat we're talking about in these meats.

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It's okay to eat some of that gristle. Just put

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it in your body and let it do its job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think when you look at the ligaments

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and the tendons and the connective tissue of animals, they're

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actually very high in collagen, more than anything that there's

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a small amount of out there. But the biggest reason

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that's beneficial is because all of the collagen, and this collagen,

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if you're eating it from chicken as well, you're getting

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something called glucosamine, condroint and hyaluronic acid. These are incredible

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for joint health, incredible for gut health.

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Speaker 3: They reduce inflammation.

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Speaker 2: So you know, we today typically just eat the muscle

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meat of the animals and we discard the bones, we

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discard the organ meats. The most nutrient dense part of

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most of these animals are their organs and their connective tissues,

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which have so many benefits for healing the body. You know,

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in a lot of cultures, if you go to Europe,

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they're going to be eating things like liver. Now today

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we're not saying you have to go and eat liver,

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but you can take capsules and liver supplements and they're

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high in iron and copper and vitamin B twelve and

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many nutrients that build our blood support our detoxification systems

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have loads of benefits that Jordan and I both and

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I guarantee we both this morning did organ you know,

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organ glanulars as capsules or tablets as a supplement because

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this is something our ancient ancestors got, it's something we

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should be getting.

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Speaker 3: And again, the Bible.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you're eating a Biblical based diet, you

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are going to be drinking a lot of things like

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bone broth, which has a lot of these nutrients and

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has great benefits.

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Speaker 1: But here's my thing, and I'm praying that you guys

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can help me understand this. I've not been a fan

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of the chicken, and the reason why is because we

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raised chickens out there in Montana. I know what we

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fed those chickens. I know that chickens are scavengers. Why

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is it it is so high on the protein list,

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Speaker 4: Well, I think era we have to look back to

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what ancient poultry consumed and how people consume them. The gizzard,

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that is, being a bird that God says is okay

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for us to eat, does a great job of purifying

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what's eating and turning it into healthy food. Bottom line, though,

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when you're gonna eat chicken, eating a chicken sandwich that's

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fried from the chicken breast of a bird that has

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been treated horribly, he's not the way to go. You

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want to consume the dark meat, you want to consume

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some of the white meat, you want to consume an

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extract of the bone. So really, the way that poultry

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was consumed for thousands of years was in the form

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of a chicken soup or a bone broth, and it

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is one of the most healing foods on the planet.

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You're getting muscle building protein, connective tissue building protein poultry.

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physicians we're talking about a thousand years ago, believed that

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it was an amazingly soothing food for the body. Now

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we love red meat too, but if you're going to

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consume poultry, don't just consume the white meat. Consume the

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dark meat, make a soup stock or broth out of it.

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fed properly. We raised birds, chickens, ducks, turkeys, and geese

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on our farms. They eat incredibly well because we let

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them eat whatever they want and we feed them with

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produce food scraps, so they're probably getting the best diet

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of anyone on the planet. Conventional poultry is fairly unhealthy

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because they are raised really terribly.

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Speaker 1: It is awful.

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Speaker 4: If you think about a chicken farm, it is nothing

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like old McDonald nursery rhymes.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we used to take the old milk and

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let it curd up and really get kind of ugly.

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The human would sit there and say, oh, no way,

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and then give it to the chickens. But it made

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their eggs harder. It made it so much better, and

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the chickens always looked more healthier. So it's like borrowing

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from another animal to make that chicken stronger and healthier

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into taking care of us.

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Speaker 4: We did exactly the same thing.

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Speaker 3: You are spot on there.

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Speaker 1: Wow, God, twenty minutes with you is just not enough.

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Where can people go to find out more about what

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you guys are doing and how can we incorporate it

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before we hit the big G Mart or some international store.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely so, if you go to the Bibliodiet dot com,

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not only can you get some great recipes all kinds

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of information. Subscribe to the Biblical Health Journal and you

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can get a free chapter of the Biblio Diet as

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a download called Healing Leaves, where we introduce what we

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believe to be the most healing subsistence ever known to

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man coming right out of Ezekiel forty seven to twelve

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and Revelation twenty two to two, it'll blow your mind.

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Speaker 1: I want Stephen Ferdick to to really praise on this book.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: I want him to get up there say you need

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to be on the biblio diet and these guys are

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speaking today. That's my dream now to see you guys

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at Elevation Church to share with us what you have

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learned over the years.

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Speaker 4: Well, we have already talked to Elevation about helping the

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staff get healthy, and we can see what we can

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see about doing that. We'd love to We're gonna be

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launching a Bible study program across the United States in

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January called the Bibliodiet Study Guide and Video Curriculum. So

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we really want to help rally the church. Our dream

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is to see God's people as the healthiest people in

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the world like they once were back in the day.

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Speaker 1: Oh my God, please come back to this show anytime

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in the future. The door is always going to be

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open for you.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Arrow, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: You guys be brilliant today.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you. Likewise,