Speaker 1: I'll start to you want to present some off the
bench with Jacob Hester and T Bob Abert. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, off the bench with Jacob Hester and T
Bob Abert.
Speaker 2: I got to come off the pitch.
Speaker 1: Now here's Jacob Hester and T Bob Abart.
Speaker 2: Yo, what's happening y'all? Welcome in our number two of
OTV here on this Thanksgiving week. Love to see it, guys.
Speaker 3: Remember twenty twin May twenty four, Thanksgiving right around the
corner and LSU off. The snide is they beat Vanderbilt
twenty four to seventeen on Saturday, get the big dub.
But it comes on a day in which many of
your enemies falter.
Speaker 2: And uh man? Is that not the absolute best right?
Speaker 3: If I can't be happy, I don't want anyone to
be happy. And we've had all these two lost teams
in the SEC, and we've been talking so much about
out how.
Speaker 2: Many of them do you get in? How many of
this or that?
Speaker 3: Well, now there's a bunch of three lost teams in
the SEC. After Ole miss falls to Florida, A and
m falls to Auburn and Alabama.
Speaker 2: Gets dominated by Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: So I asked you during the break or we asked
you last segment, Jake, you know what was your favorite one?
Taylor said, A and M, what about you, what was
your favorite loss to enjoy from afar like you were
siffing on a delicious, bitter beverage of your enemy's tears.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you kept it only to the sec for Tata,
because if you did not, we all know he was
going to go Colorado.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean, but like again, if you're someone
trying to flex on the Colorado lost, like, yeah, you're
just so off base. This is still such a massive
step forward for Colorado.
Speaker 2: It is. And yeah, no, no, I mean he's a
certified proprietor. We know this for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean he literally is like one of the best
players to ever play for his favorite football team and
he hates him.
Speaker 2: It's so but it's beyond reproach.
Speaker 5: But I didn't see said yeah, I know, how about
that kind of you know, Florida and Kansas, And speaking
of Florida, I'll probably go the old Miss loss.
Speaker 4: Was the one that I think I enjoyed the most
because we like we all know, like behind the scenes,
we know how much they've put into this roster. We
know that the donors were like, hey, here it is.
But if you don't get it done, that's it. That's
all you're going to get. Now, if you win, that's
going to create excitement, and you know, obviously you'll get
things rolling and maybe there will be more there and
you'll benefit off that run. But right now, it's a
school that feels like they did everything they possibly could
to be the team this year. And now you look
up and you're eight and three, yeah, and nine, and
is like if nine and three, because I still expect
them to win the egg balls, Misissippi State's just a
bad football team. But nine and three, after everything you've
done this year, I think about it like, you know,
nine and three around here around a lot of places
like well and the ultimate.
Speaker 3: And the kind of ultimate, brutal, cruel, ironic twist for
all miss What has held them back the last couple
of years, Remember they would have made a twelve team
playoff two of the last three years. What held them
out of a fourteen playoff was their inability to beat
the big dogs, the Alabamas and Georgia's.
Speaker 2: This year, you finally did it. You didn't just beat
Georgia I mean, you dominated.
Speaker 3: Them, but you lost to a bad Kentucky, You lost
to a four loss kind of bad Lsue, and now
you've lost to you know, five loss Florida team. Yeah,
a five loss Florida team exactly. That's what I'm saying, Like,
so you finally get over the hump in terms of
proving that you can hang with the big dogs, but
you lose focus through other weeks.
Speaker 2: And this one's gotta hurt the worst.
Speaker 3: Not just because it's the one that keeps you out
now and breaks all of your jopes and dreams, but
it's also if you were playing incredible, you know, like
you've been so locked in that all of a sudden,
everybody's actually old.
Speaker 2: Moss is the best team in the nation, which you
guys sidebar.
Speaker 3: Do you see why get mad when people just tell
me they know who the best team is, right, like
anybody knows this year and that again, that's fine, but
I'm saying, like, I know, I can think a team
maybe better personally in my opinion, but at a certain point,
the records have to take over. Cause these team that
lost this weekend, everybody's been saying got a shadow of
a doubt that oh, they're definitely better the next They're
definitely better the next. But once again we have a
weekend that proves that we don't know what's gonna happen
when you actually line it up and snap it and
to at a certain point you have to take opinion
out of it and rely on objectivity. Because everybody was
saying that they thought that Old Miss was the best
in the country, maybe playing the best football in the
entire and I agreed. I remember, I was adamant, I'll
give it. I think you Jake, we're on Florida two
this week, and so was Aaron. We'll give you all
credit because I was adamant. I thought Old Miss represented
a way worse matchup for Florida than did LSU. I
thought that the Florida box score was a little wonky
last week, and the LSU actually, like you know, with
the box were like that you normally win that whatever.
I was completely wrong. This Florida team came out, played great,
looked locked it. I mean, Ole Miss did definitely leave
some opportunities on the board. But it's again, I don't
feel like Olmost blew the game. I feel like Florida
won the game.
Speaker 4: I don't want to give myself too much credit. I said,
this game is gonna play out two ways, said, Florida
is either going to win it or Old Miss is
gonna blow him out. Yeah, like, I feel like that
was the two ways that this game was going to go.
And obviously Florida won it and Ole Miss didn't make
the plays that they had to make, and they got
They had like seven opportunities at the end. They kept
getting the ball back after a review or whatever, and
Jackson dort Well go craft for a little bit and
then you come back on the field and he just
like he would throw another pick.
Speaker 2: It was a weird sequence.
Speaker 3: Like he was in the midst because that drive had
a lot of early success. It felt like he was
in the midst of one of those legendary drives that
a program remembers forever. Right, you're gonna save this game,
you're gonna escape the swamp, your playoff hopes are gonna
be left alive, and you're all gonna think back to
this moment. And then he threw the first pick. Awful
throat triple coverage. I mean, I don't even know no
idea what he was thinking. Yeah, he had single coverage
up top.
Speaker 4: So if you're looking at it, on his left side,
he had everybody with the coverage on one receiver. Basically
he had nothing really underneath. And then on the right side,
he had straight up man coverage one on one with
a receiver that's made a bunch of plays here down
the stretch. He never even thought about looking over to
the right. He was locked in on the left. And
that is what makes Jackson Dart from a top three
best quarterback in college football to a guy whos probably
fifteen sixteen, Yeah, is that play because he can't get
rid of that play. Now when he's on he's as
good as anybody. I truly believe that. But when you
talk to NFL scouts. We have Jim Nagie on our
show on off campus every single week, and we'll ask
him about different players, and that's kind of the word
you get back from Jackson Dart too. It's like teams
won't fully get themselves over to him because of those players.
Speaker 3: Well and then so but then almost defense forces the
three and out, gives you the ball right back with
great field position, and you throw another pick, but then
there's a review, turns out the ball barely hit the grounds.
You're giving another chance and you throw another pick. I
mean a brutal ending for Jackson Dart, a heartbreaking ending
for all miss and on the other side of the docket,
shout out to Billy Napier, Scott Strickland in the entire
Florida Gators program.
Speaker 2: Remember Scott Strickland a.
Speaker 3: Few weeks ago giving Napier the vote compensation he is
going to be back next year. That weekend, you get
blown out by the Texas Longhorns, which that win looks
better now for Texas. You know, as we try to
figure out how good Texas is or is true, but
you get dominated by Texas.
Speaker 2: What do you do next?
Speaker 3: You come back, you're ruining LSU season and sniff out
any hopes they had to. Remember, SE's a championship. Ten
wins is still very much to play for LSU. Florida
ruined that. And now a second week in a row,
you've crushed opponent's dreams. You go and beat a very
good old Missing that everybody was saying was playing the
best in the entire country, and you did it, playing solid,
solid football, really good defensively, getting after the quarterback. DJ
Lagway continues to be fantastic, and now all of a sudden,
if you're a Florida Gator fan, you're starting to see maybe.
Speaker 2: A little hope, a little bit.
Speaker 3: Of light here because you're not going to spend thirty
million dollars firing your coach. You're going to spend a
ton of money in this you know, period until June thirtieth.
I think Florida is actually gonna be probably one of
the top ten spinders in the entire country.
Speaker 2: And most importantly, you have a.
Speaker 3: Five star true freshman quarterback that Jake isn't getting it
done with his legs right, like getting it done with
his arms, And so what happened when he gets healthy
over the course of a year and he gets his
legs back and he gets older, more experienced and can
make even.
Speaker 2: Better like the ceiling.
Speaker 3: It's an exciting time when you have a guy like
Lagway in his first year and you have money to spend,
like Florida's going to this offseason, and.
Speaker 4: You have a quarterback in Lagway that is all in
with Billy Napier as well, Like that was one of
the things that people talked about, like, hey, he is
tied in with Billy Napier. Like if you make a move,
just no, DJ Lagway might also make a move. And
so like they've got a great relationship there. And like
last week, I can tell a shoe. He was highly impressive.
He's got one hamstring and he's out there, doesn't take
a sack against a good rush and continues to you know,
deliver the ball on time, on point. He's a really
good football player. He continues to get better. I thought
this was another great week for him. And so Florida
is not quite there yet. They still have some deficiencies
on their roster. We'll see what the recruiting class can
end up like. But I think for them too, you
got to go get some some dogs in the portal
at receiver and some other positions.
Speaker 2: For DJ Lagway, what is uh jj pegeese? What are
we doing?
Speaker 6: Bro?
Speaker 2: What are you trying to bounce it? Come on now?
Speaker 3: We doesnet give him the ball too many times? If
you think you're gonna bounce to the outside. I know,
I know, we we love you running the ball, but
you are not a running back.
Speaker 2: You are massive.
Speaker 3: You have to get north and south and just fall
forward with your four hundred pounds.
Speaker 2: Our guy was.
Speaker 3: Feeling himself entirely too much, trying to bounce that last
one of the outside. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: No, And you're a defensive tackle. You're in there for
a purpose. The purpose is not to get sweet feet.
The purpose is to get a yard.
Speaker 3: The problem is he's gotten sweety a little bit lately
and he's gotten away with it. Yeah, and and so
he's just feeling stuff a little too much. The swamp
looks great, I thought, you know, yeah, so this was
this was a really massive win. And then finally Alabama
Oklahoma and to me, this was the most shocking result
of the day, Senior Day at Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: It's not been a good year. The offensive line has
been horrible.
Speaker 3: Remember they were injured all hell. It's been the huge
weakness of this team. And that offensive line just dominated
the Crimson tide. I know, a defensive line that Lshue
struggled with mightily. They may look like children. I mean,
here are the rushing numbers. By the way, you hold
Alabama just two hundred and thirty four total yards. And
this is my favorite. So it's funny we all have
different favorites. But here are the rushing numbers. Alabama ran
at fifty times excuse me. Alabama ran at thirty times
for seventy yards. Two point three yards were carried. Oklahoma
ran at forty nine for two sixty fifty carries, and
you averaged five yards of pop. How about Jackson Arnold,
he carried the ball twenty five times, he only threw
at eleven.
Speaker 2: I mean, they straight up just said now we're gonna
run the ball, We're.
Speaker 3: Gonna shut you down defensively, and they dominated the Crimson
Tide and they end up winning twenty four to three.
And it's even with like on the first drive they
come out and fumble album makes a ton of big plays.
It looks like Ryan Williams as a touchdown. O, wait,
his foots out of bound. Then the defense home's a
field goal. But at that time, it felt like, Okay,
Alabama's gonna win this game. I would have never fathomed
that that would be the final time the alabam would
find the scoreboard for the rest of the night.
Speaker 4: No in Oklahoma. Now they only get their second SEC win. Yeah,
I mean, which is wild. They've been in more games,
but still only the second one. And that was a
game that I think a lot of it's just assumed
I know I did, and I'm like, man, I'm looking
at the matchup. Oklahoma plays hard Brent Vinnables, we know
kind of his DNA, but they don't have enough juice.
And not only they have enough juice, they went out
there and dominated physically that game, and they look they
had a a great plan for Jalen Milroe. And it
just continues like for whatever reason, you go back, you
look at LSU the last couple of years, You've had
no plan to stop Jalen Milroe. It's like that's, you know,
been the the thing. Certainly it's cost you in those games.
And so shout out to Oklahoma that defense. They're gonna
come in here kind of with the same intensity like that.
Speaker 2: Got to worry about it. Running quarterback. Ye yeah, Arnold
ARLs had that. I mean no, I always had success
with this whole this whole year. Really, you just did
a great.
Speaker 4: Job against one again a guy that has over six
hundredrushing yards in Diego Pavia.
Speaker 2: You gotta do it again. Brince Simonosa is no talking
the terrible, terrible call. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it was twenty four to three, and what was
it like early fourth quarter? I believe it looked like
Ryan Williams had an incredible touchdown on fourth and three. Uh,
the rest called legal touching, saying that he was covered up.
I don't think he actually was covered up, touched on
off the board turnover on downs. But I want to
be clear, Okay, is that a bad break? Absolutely? They
ain't winning that game no matter what. Okay, I'm not
gonna let a score. I'm not gonna let you off
the hook blaming the referees on a score that would
have put you down fourteen.
Speaker 2: Would have put you down fourteen.
Speaker 3: Not a lot of time left on a night again
where you've thrown three picks, have two hundred and thirty
total yards, and are getting out rushed two fifty to four, Like,
get out of here, Get out of here. No, No,
that ain't. It's a bad break, but it ain't the game.
It ain't the game. Oklahoma just dominated every single phase
of the game. And QB lead wasn't working this week.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, the old quarterback duo was not getting done.
I gotta get good in that.
Speaker 3: Ou offensive line because they've been bad and now this
Oklahoma game. We'll dive into the next couple of games.
But yeah, it looks way more fascinating for ill. Let's
shoot now going to senior day as I don't have
any idea who wins as I about it and think
about it on this Monday. All right, coming next, we
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you to Day's the only opsode we haven't talked about yet.
Text A and M at Auburn. Of course you can
see in the document there or can you see No,
I don't think I put it in there. But Mike
Elko last week asked about Auburn, saying our focus is
solely on Texas, I mean Auburn. Well, unfortunately the Freudian
slip came true as Texas A and M looking like
a team that was indeed focused on Texas and not
ready for an Auburn team that is not good but
still has.
Speaker 2: Very good wide receivers.
Speaker 3: Cam Coleman and Kadrie Lambert Smith have actually been really solid.
You got the Okay. Here's Mike Elcho last week at
his press conference.
Speaker 6: There's already so much talk about November thirtieth, and it
was announced as a night game today. How do you
deal with that with your guys and saying, hey, we
still have something ahead of us at Auburn or is
that even a big issue with your team?
Speaker 2: I don't think it's an issue.
Speaker 8: I think when you're in the situation we're in, it's
easy to focus on the task at hand, you know.
Speaker 2: I think you know those big games earlier in the year,
you know, maybe you look ahead. If if we didn't
have that steak, what's that steak? Maybe you would worry
about it. I think our focus is single handling on Texas.
I'm on Auburn right now and locked in on what
we got to get done. Oh God.
Speaker 3: People talking about things aging like milk, I mean every
bit of it, every bit of it. And then again,
for some reason, text and m fans strike me as
like huge adult milk drinkers, just.
Speaker 2: Just casual milk. You're not.
Speaker 3: They're having like a ham sandwich at lunch, and they asked, like,
Jimmy John T, do you have any milk.
Speaker 2: For lunch or a ham? Samid? Did your dad not
make you drink milk with you? When I was a kid,
I drank milk every meal, every meal, every.
Speaker 3: Single meal, I drink milk. And a certain age though,
you gotta stop drinking the milk.
Speaker 2: Not you can't drag jack bel No, but like a
good and cold glass. Yeah, yeah, anything sweet, anything sweet? Yeah,
I want milk, absolutely be so with spaghetti anymore.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: A and M's type person. Yeah with ever. Yeah, you're
having a steak at lunch, they want milk. You're like,
what are you talking about? It does not bad? But yeah,
A and m uh not focused, not focused, not ready
for everything to say.
Speaker 3: Actually, I will give him this credit, so I think
they did. I'm still a big Marcel Reid fan. I
still think he's going to be very good. I think
the touchdown throw he had to make it, he had
to make it twenty one to fourteen was fantastic. But
a bigger deal to me, Jake is I'll give both
teams credit here. Great mental toughness from Texas A and
M to go down twenty one to zero in Jurdin
hair and come back and tie that game, because that's
that's a that's a crazy hill at the climb in
that stadium. Also great mental tough to a bad Auburn
team because anytime the other dog jumps out to a
big lead but then watches it dissipate, they normally just
completely crumble, right, and so good on Auburn to want
it becomes twenty one twenty one, basically saying okay, game
on and then finding a way to go score the
tud find a way to tie it up with the
with the great drive by Peyton Thorn, the fourth and
two scramble at the end to push it into ot
and then obviously finishing in the fight. So I was
a bit impressed with both teams in that way. But
uh my god, you want to talk about just a
brutal disappointment for Texas A and M, who, as Taylor said,
once again, seems faded to be Texas eight and four
unless they can be Texas' tific focused and maybe But
I like, I'll say this, not that this matters at all.
I do think that the eight and four is a
better eight and four this year, But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean every you know, you know that goes no.
Speaker 3: I think I think there can be I can I
think the results can be the same, but it could
be better. But then again, I think the Nebraska But basically.
Speaker 4: I think the expectations changes too, like depending on what
it is. Like I'll look at South Carolina a couple
of years ago, whenever they beat Clemson and Tennessee to
finish the season, like whatever their final record was that year. Yeah,
that's different because of how you finish and who you
beat at the end of the year. But A and
M's expectation was much greater than South Carolina's at that time.
Speaker 2: It's just like with LSU, uh, you know, eight and four.
Let's say let's say you went.
Speaker 4: Eight and four and you beat Old Miss, you beat Bama,
and you would have won the opener against USC. Do
you think that would have changed anybody's feeling about being
eight and four in Baton Rouge. That's not rhetorical. I'm
asking if you what if you beat USA, you beat USC,
you beat Bama, you you you know, you beat Old Miss,
like and those are three of your wins.
Speaker 2: Let's say you lost to oh yeah, be insane whoever
is for me Caroline there? Yeah, I mean what I'm.
Speaker 4: Saying like that, Like it doesn't matter who you beat
and how you got there. I think at places like LSU,
like A and M, like some of these schools that
have more expectation.
Speaker 2: Now A and M hadn't won anything since Jesus.
Speaker 4: Was a boy, but still like they have that expectation
to go play for championships, and so we might think
from the outside looking in, it's not bad, but like within,
you know their their you know their fans and their
administration and people that care about that program.
Speaker 2: You lose this game three and four, I don't think
they care how they got there. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: And well it is crazy too because after the LSU game,
it kind of reminds you of LSU after the Arkansas
game where A and M, to your point, Jake was
riding very high. It felt like the world was their
oyster and it's kind of all falled apart. South Carolina
had a similar rhythm to this, only South Carolina pulled
it away in the end where they got out to
big lead. Marcel Rena and him found a way to
come back, and at the time during the games, I'm like,
that's very impressive, dude, like the momentums on their side,
and then it just it just stopped. The team's just
not A and M's just not consistent enough right now.
And again Auburn is not any good, but cam Coleman
is really freaking good and Caldar Lambert Smith is really good.
And the new overtime rules suck and they just basically
make it a coin flip once you get past the
so stupid the.
Speaker 2: Second ot that dropped from Daniels.
Speaker 3: So if you missed it, the the A and M players,
a well designed play, was a great play, work perfectly
and the receiver just dropped it. And that's gonna stick
with him forever. What a brutal, brutal beat.
Speaker 4: Like the fact that that's how we're ending. And I know,
I know why they did it. The LSU seven overtime game.
Speaker 2: We get all that.
Speaker 4: I guess it is kind of poetic that A and
M now because of that game they won, they lose
because the new overtime rules.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, man, It's gotta be something better. No,
I mean, well, okay, so I talked about at least
to play from like the tin one play from the
ten or something. So here's my deal on it is.
Speaker 3: Okay, I get when people complained about p k's in
soccer because it's kind of not representative.
Speaker 2: Of the game. What guy you there?
Speaker 3: At least it's not one well say, and like, I
get why maybe penalty shootouts even though shout outsideko great
dub Friday night in the in the shootout.
Speaker 2: But I think college football had it right.
Speaker 3: They had the best of both worlds where they had
a sort of gimmicky all in set up that created
the ability to win the game and sort of go
ahead and end it and and have fun while doing
to create high leverage moments, but it also had enough
actual football left in there, right when you're starting from
the twenty five and and and then yeah, you want
to have be forced to go for two And you say, well,
how's that different, Well, because you had to earn the
chance for that two point conversion, So even the force
to go over two makes a lot of sense. Right,
Let's let's try to kind of put our thumb on
the scale in this game. Uh, you've crossed the threshold
into being two gimmicky two underrepresentative of the game when
you're just dueling two point conversions. I mean, it's a sighting,
but it's not it's it's not a super satisfying way
for a for a winner to be declared in my opinion, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's just right. You didn't have to change it because
of one outlier game.
Speaker 4: It's not addictive of of the rest of the game
leading into that. I think about how much you know
went into that game to get to that point and
the comeback and then you know Auburn finds away a
couple of different times, and then we're going to decide
that based off of two point conversion, and you know
that's going to give some teams advantages. And I know
we don't get there often, but like think about, like
if if you're a team like hey, we are a
running football team and we're coming downhill.
Speaker 2: That that that doesn't bode well for you.
Speaker 4: There's teams in there's situations that two point conversions are
something they can thrive, Like LSU did not play well
in a two point conversion situation.
Speaker 2: That is not how they're set up.
Speaker 4: I mean, we've seen that kind of play out. That's
not how they're set up that. Hell, I'd rather them
be Seriously, I'd rather than be like on the ten
than the two. But that's how we're going to decide,
like a massive, massive game with playoff implications.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I don't love it. So in
the end, the pretty fun night at Jurdan Hair. Uh
did they rush the field too? Yeah? Oh man? Are
you all starting to feel? No? I mean I've always
because I've heard, I've already I've heard so many times.
Speaker 4: This weekend looks like Denim Springs High schools out there
today like that shut up?
Speaker 2: No, I just know, and I've heard I heard from
like seventy three people, and I just hunt who cares?
Who cares? Who cares? It's it's just it's just too much,
just too much the.
Speaker 3: Whyt's and little if you're ever defending yourself with what Clemson.
Speaker 2: Does, No, I'm just saying, do it every game? Like
why those it sucks? Well, I do agree with Tayte.
Speaker 3: It becomes a problem when it's screwed up the game
like Airzonna say, rush the field with one second of
What if the game got rushed with thirty seconds left?
Speaker 8: I don't, I don't remember, but like it was in
a state like if y'all, if you'll, if y'all sit
down and watch the referees sitting there looking in the
replay monitor trying to figure out how to add and
there are fans with camera phones like right in the
dude's face, like come on, guys, like I get it,
you're excited, but like you're also not on the team, Like.
Speaker 2: Just just just move.
Speaker 3: I understand all of the dynamics that play, all the vibes.
I understand how every team that rushed the field. I
understand how everyone got there. I really do.
Speaker 2: I'm not even like being a champion for it. I
really just literally don't care what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I feel like this this was it was Oklahoma that
rushed like thirty seconds left. Yeah, I mean this this
is the time where it kind of it did cross
some sort of thresholder in my mind.
Speaker 2: And not possibly impact the game. Yeah. Now, I'm like
principal inner where it's like, have I changed? Am I
off out of touch? No, they're out of there, They're wrong,
They've changed.
Speaker 3: I do think like I think we got a little
bit of main character syndrome going on here.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll be old here. I don't like it.
It was und which one were we watching at Don
Juan where they rushed the field Because we were.
Speaker 3: Channing every time it looked like A and M was
gonna win, the bar started channing no hose for Hugh,
and then every time it looked like Auburn was gonna win,
they started chanting hose for you. So congratulations, congratulation to
Hugh in his accumulation of host not that.
Speaker 2: Anything was stopping him before. But yeah, I was like,
why are we you just it took you three overtimes
or how many were it four? Come on? Man, But
I mean, look for the high emotion of the game,
Like again, it leads. I understand the context, I understand why,
but if Everyboddy rushes the field and nobody then it's not.
Speaker 8: We used to see it maybe every two or three years,
and maybe we see it every week now. But like
with Arizona State, they were a three point favorite in
this game.
Speaker 3: Well but you again, but again see that the thing
do not. I still don't criticize the kind of settings,
the circumstances of LEDs because like to Jake's point, like,
I mean, yeah, Arizona State's been god awful forever. And
this is basically a playoff elimination game, and it's a
game where they were out to a big league, looked
like they were in firm control, and then they damn
near lost it at the end. Right, So they had
this emotional rollercoaster of a day. They finally survived. It's
the first big.
Speaker 2: Home win in years and years.
Speaker 3: I mean, hell, they're probably the most justified one of
the of the bunch, but it's just yeah, I think
I'm just old, and I think a lot of it
as kids just wanted to do it for social media.
Speaker 2: What do you that kills? What do you do in
the Arizona State situation? Because like it took him almost
twenty minutes to get a off the field.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you do in any situation because
if thousands of people want to do something, you can't.
Speaker 2: Sup.
Speaker 8: Oh, if i'm the ref, I'm spotting the ball and
be like thirty five second play clock, you don't have
the fans off the field, stay a game.
Speaker 2: But we're just going to continue to.
Speaker 3: Do this until you get all the b yu get
delative game all the day, down to like the one
yard line, the one player, one to go score and
win the game.
Speaker 2: Love it. I was.
Speaker 8: I was pulling for BYU so hard at the end
of that game, though, I'm like, I want them to
win now.
Speaker 2: Because he's stupid a b YU fan. But go into
the game. I want to.
Speaker 3: Speaking of milk drinkers now, Mormon, uh camp Scattabo is awesome,
though he's excellent speaking of milk drinkers.
Speaker 2: And look, that game basically played out like we thought. Man.
Speaker 3: You know, BYU is very solid, so's Arizona State. But
BYU doesn't have someone like Tyson and Scatterbow and and
I think Sam Levit's just a bit better right now
than rets Off is.
Speaker 2: So shout out, shout out to Arizona State. Massive win
over the weekend. All right, they got a real chance,
by the way, I'm just I mean, what like winning
the Big Twelve. We're winning a playoff, winning the Big
Twelve and winning a playoff game, winning it all?
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the ninth ranked morning sports show in America.
Off the Bench.
Speaker 7: Oh no, what y'all? Welter back to OTB.
Speaker 3: We got a brand new ap Top twenty five Oregon,
Ahia State, Texas, penn State, and Notre Dame round out
of the top five. Before You're getting a joj at Tennessee, Miami,
SMU and Indiana coming in at number ten. I'm very
excited because of nothing else. Now we will finally get
to be able to put my Indiana theory to the test,
because I think Indiana is a damn good football team.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: So you're like Danny Canell and think it was two plays,
two plays in that game that go a different way
and they're in it.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I think in a rematch of them,
in a rematch of them in Ohio State, I don't
think that. I don't see the angle or Indiana wins right.
Look at what the Ohio State pass rushed it to him.
I was very impressed with of how Indiana ran the ball.
I was very impressed with their defense at times. Now
in a game like that, when you're trying to punch up,
of course, if you have those two like it should
have been seven and seven and a half, or at
least make Ohio State earn it.
Speaker 2: With like a touchdown before half.
Speaker 3: They got to drive the length of the field right,
like probably should have been seven to seven. You give
a punt return touchdown. Not that that's actually I think
that's more of like a credit to Ohio States.
Speaker 2: That's one of those things that drives me crazy.
Speaker 4: Is like when somebody's say and you didn't say you
just I mean both, like Danny this morning, like they
gave up a punt touchdown, Like, hey, I know you're
a quarterback and you weren't in these meetings, But it's
a phase of the game. Special teams is a phase
of the game. It's a part of the game flow.
It's a part of what you can get done. It
bothers me so much when everybody, well, if you didn't
give up the punt return, it's a part of the game.
It's just like giving up a sixty five yard post round.
It's just like sack fumble ball going the other way.
It's like it's it's look, Boise State gave up a
kick and a punt to Oregon earlier that I think.
Speaker 3: I think, like the thing is, it's because those touchdowns
don't happen is often and so part of the game. No,
I'm not saying it's not a part of the game,
but when that happens and you're the team trying to
create an upset, you are never going to win. Like
bottom line, Ohio State beats you right there, but they
were also just a better team. Uh, but I don't understand.
But still I think Indiana look pretty solid from what
said game. I just don't understand this idea of like,
so Indiana's lost to Ohio State is like worse than
Notre Dame's lost to Northern Illinois. But both them just
have beaten bad teams, but they beat them badly, right,
which you should get credit for to continue to beat
like teams that are below you, that that thing chosly
beating them a wide margin. But it's like, so they
lose to Ohio State and all of a sudden they suck.
But all these set teams that you would have told
me were a million times better than just lost to
like five hundred teams over the weekend. But that's okay
because the SEC is the SC and they're just the best.
Like I don't know, man, I know the SEC is
the best conference. I definitely understand that. But this idea
of we just know who's best because of recruiting rankings
and everything. I just at a certain point you got
to let some of the records take over. And I
cannot wait to see the stumping for which three loss
SEC team's gonna get in, right, because somebody.
Speaker 2: Will North Carolina.
Speaker 3: I mean that would be the best, that would be
that would be the most acceptable one to me. They're
playing the best football, they're training in the right direction.
Their losses came earlier in the year. They'd have a
recent win over a very good Clipson team, there'd be
a T twelve win right there, Like, yeah, I think
they easily have the most. But trust me, there's gonna
be that Alabama push coming. They ain't dead yet. But
it just continues to crack me up.
Speaker 2: How all SEC losses are good losses because they come
to the SEC. Well, why do we even have the
other conferences?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: If it's the only conference that matters? Why why? Why
why do we even have the the conference? Then?
Speaker 3: If you can't lose a game in another conference and
have it be a good loss, even when it comes
to an Ohio State team that looks like they probably separated,
like they're probably one of four teams that you feel
like or what you would call like a national championship contender,
a favorite, like when Will Howard plays like that, it's
going to be very hard to beat Ohio State.
Speaker 4: So I'm with the on Ohio State and you know,
they've actually played a couple of teams with a pulse.
Speaker 2: They've played Oregon, they've played.
Speaker 4: Penn State, they've played Indiana, and you know, the scheduling
with now these massive conferences is so imbalanced that it's
hard to kind of even within the same conference kind
of have the same argument about different teams.
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of people are hating.
Speaker 4: Right now on Oregon and Ohio State because there's a
lot of people throwing shade at the SEC for Cupcake
Week that we just had and Oregon Ohio State, neither
one of them played a P four team in the
non conference, neither one of them Lague one, and so like, well,
like you can't call that out if you're not going
to call this out. Like Oregon played a good Boise
State team, I get that, but they did not play
a power for team.
Speaker 2: Same thing for Ohio State.
Speaker 4: And then you look at you know, Georgia played Clemson,
Tennessee played in C State, LSU played USC.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying all those teams are good.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that's what's going to get pointed out
and kind of the going back and forth. I'm not
looking four to it either, because it's going to be
nauseating just hearing the takes and the way they try
to find a path for a lot of different teams,
not only in the SEC, I think probably in the
Big ten as well. While they just handwave teams like
an SMU, like Arizona State that we've talked about, I mean,
some of these teams in the Big twelve and the
ACC aren't even going to be a part of the
conversation while they're talking about three lost teams from one conference.
Speaker 3: Even SMU is weird though, And I understand that they'll
get in because its an autobid, so it's different, but
like I feel like they have more respect than in
Indiana does. And SMU's played the easiest Power Force schedule
in the country.
Speaker 4: It was easiest, It was easiest before the season, and
some of those metrics have changed a bit.
Speaker 2: Which where what was it? Louisville? Is that there? Who
is SMU beat? That's good? Duke?
Speaker 4: Duke's at three? Yeah, they beat Duke on the road.
They beat Louisville on the road. They beat TCU sixty
six to forty two. Trying to think about other wins
they have on their resume, I know they beat I
mean UV eight didn't me anything on the road last week.
Uh Pitt at the time was a big win for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I guess I'm
just I just I don't know. Whatever doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: I don't need, I don't need to be upset about
the Indian disspect because they'll get in now and they'll
play one of these two lost SEC teams and we'll
see what the what the measure of them really is.
I do think Ohio State separated from a pack uh
a bit personally. But if you had to choose four,
oh shoot, we gotta go to break, So maybe think
about this during the break.
Speaker 2: Like who are you?
Speaker 3: Who are your national championship contenders? Do you think anybody's
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Speaker 1: Welcome in to the best morning sports this show around
Off the Bench with Hester and t Bob.
Speaker 4: H Right, Welcome back heat OTV. Here on one of
four five ESPN baton rouge Tea. Bob asked a question
about maybe the four best teams. I believe, as we
sit here and have one more week left in the
regular season, I think that we all can agree that
Oregon and Ohio State have firmly put themselves in the
top spots, right, I mean, as he might have any
objection to those two teams.
Speaker 2: No, I mean that should be the first two teams.
I think anyone would mention.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now, they're not going to both get top four
seeds because they play in the same conference, and you know,
depending on how the conference championship game goes, can Ohio
State get the revenge on Oregon. That's going to be
a hell of a five seed somewhere in the College
Football Playoff. And then you've got teams three through six
in the AP top twenty five. You've got Texas, Pinceed
Notre Dame in Georgia. I think it's wild that that's
kind of where the debate starts as you get right
into it. Three four, five, six, it's like, Okay, well,
do you really trust any of those teams and and
kind of what they can do.
Speaker 2: Can they take over a playoff and can they go
win it? No? I think I.
Speaker 3: Think that in terms of the teams that I think
I think there's a lot of playoff caliber teams in
terms of teams that I feel are national championship good.
Speaker 2: Oregon will be one of them.
Speaker 3: Ohio State absolutely one of them. I'm tempted to maybe
even say in Ohio State first because that game was
in Austin and they played it so well. But like
I understand, if you're like you're a new that's ahead
to head, that's fine. But I've just was so impressed
with Will Howard over the weekend also in that Oregon game,
will have I mean, We'll Howard's been really good all
year long. To be fair, I think I think those
two teams, I think Texas still has the potential, right,
I mean, we need to see them against a very
good team. We'll see them against A and not a
very good team, but we'll see them against A and M.
And then we'll see them if they win that against
Georgia in the ST Championship, and that will tell us
a lot, because again Texas hasn't played a lot of people,
but they've generally beaten the hell out of who they
have played. But then they, like Indiana, did fail their
kind of one big test, only this one was at home.
Which is even worse for them, So could they exact
some sort of revenge in se championship? For me, the
tough one are the Georgia Bulldogs. Is Georgia good enough
to win a national championship this year? Because part of
me says yes. I think their schedule is also so
tough that they're they're going to be the most battle tested,
which will pay dividends for them. But they do have
these low moments this season that have cropped up where
you expect, like whether it's a Kentucky game play, like
you keep expecting them to pull out of it and
they're like, oh wait no. Some days this year Georgia
just isn't that good. So I don't know consistency why
maybe feels like a high state Oregon Texas and then
and then, and if I was gonna throw four team in,
it would be Georgia. Everybody else is really good, but
I think everybody else could, like I would not consider
them to be national championship good or national championship favorites.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: The thing that I can't like get out of my
mind is just like when you get in a playoff situation,
just like in the NFL it's like the head coach
matters even more so, like Kirby getting his ready, his
team ready for the playoff is fascinating to me because
you know, they've been there, they've done that, they've won
those national championships, and how much you know, how much
is that going to you know, kind of change the scales,
flip the scales. Uh, if you go against the head coach,
it's just never been there before. So there's a couple
of different dynamics. But it is while we're sitting here,
like there's two teams that we trust, and there's a
handful of teams that we think maybe sort of kind
of can find their way.
Speaker 2: I mean, even once we get past Georgia, it's.
Speaker 4: Like it's Tennessee, Miami, SMU, Indiana, Boise State, and Clemson.
Speaker 2: No. I mean, that's what I'm saying. I think all
those teams can beat each other, right.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any clear favorite amongst that crew,
which that's why the opening rounds are told to play
are gonna be so much fun.
Speaker 4: If Clemson goes out and they house a good South
Carolina football team, where do you.
Speaker 2: What do you do with them? They get two bitch potentially. Yeah. Yeah,
and that point because the way is being cleared with
multiple losses and some of these other.
Speaker 4: One of Miami and SMU, if they continue to win,
they still would have a loss in the ACC Championship game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that team loses probably out of it. Yeah,
so Clemson could Clemson could definitely sneak in here, dab
own company right when you counted them for dead. Uh,
we'll see coming.
Speaker 3: Up in our three of O TV, I want to
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We got a ta NFL Story of the Day day.
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