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Speaker 2: Yeah, if everyone welcome. Today's guest is Tim Physically is
Speaker 2: a hypnotist at Britain's Fastest Hypnotist. Dot com is his
Speaker 2: website and Tim's here today to discuss hypnotism. Obviously I'll
Speaker 2: tease him with the first question, but it's not so
Speaker 2: much teasing him and welcome to show anyway. Tim, It's
Speaker 2: more to do with my brain, you know, for why
Speaker 2: can't you do that like that? And we'll explain so
Speaker 2: Qush actually the other day and when I emailed you, Tim,
Speaker 2: why can't you actually hypnotize? People live there? Because psychics
Speaker 2: do stuff and other people do stuff. And I found
Speaker 2: it interesting because it was very real, you know, and
Speaker 2: it actually worked for me, not the hypnotist, but the
Speaker 2: other stuff. I guess you've got laws.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's all to do with the peculiar laws
Speaker 3: that surround hypnosis, which varies from country to country. In
Speaker 3: some countries you can't even practist, you know, it's just illegal.
Speaker 3: In this country. Fortunately, it's okay. We can do it,
Speaker 3: but there is the laws on where you can and
Speaker 3: cannot practice hypnosis a bit there's sort of strange and arcane,
Speaker 3: and they go back a long way to I think
Speaker 3: as a nineteen fifty three hypnotism actor was the first one,
Speaker 3: but there's been various amendments to it since then. And
Speaker 3: so you can't do something like a hypnotic and doctrine
Speaker 3: on a on a live but well, I don't think
Speaker 3: you can include it in a broadcast. There's there's just
Speaker 3: rules about what you can and you can't do, and
Speaker 3: it's one of the things you're not allowed to do.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was just thinking if I needed your help,
Speaker 2: you know, and we'll go into the rapid deep hypnosis
Speaker 2: in a bit. I'm just thinking, you know, I've found
Speaker 2: it with my problem, and I've only got one option.
Speaker 2: I can't visit you in a clinic where you could
Speaker 2: take care of me if you know there was a
Speaker 2: problem with what you did. But you know, I want
Speaker 2: to do it over the phone line. I mean, technically
Speaker 2: that's the same thing as being in front of an audience,
Speaker 2: isn't It's still over the phone line.
Speaker 3: No, it's not. It's about it like the way is
Speaker 3: that the way the law works, it's to do with
Speaker 3: it being broadcast to an audience, So.
Speaker 2: No, you can't.
Speaker 3: But there are there are big problems with doing hypnosis
Speaker 3: sober the likes of phone on skull anyway, because really
Speaker 3: from a sort of care of the client perspective, really
Speaker 3: you need to be in the same rumors them because
Speaker 3: you want to make sure they're okay. Things. If you're
Speaker 3: doing things online, if you get a drop connection, obviously,
Speaker 3: then you've gotten You've got no way of monitoring what's
Speaker 3: going on. You've got no way of speaking to somebody,
Speaker 3: and if they're in a deep state of hypnosis, what
Speaker 3: are you going to do so it? Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: there are some hypnotherapists who do do hypnosis online. I'm
Speaker 3: not one of them, but and that's sort of the
Speaker 3: reason why. It's because it's just not an ideal way
Speaker 3: to go about it in case you get things like
Speaker 3: a drop connection or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because I mean I can just imagine that,
Speaker 2: you know, and then the person, because of the way
Speaker 2: they are a whole feeling, you can't get back to
Speaker 2: them and hypanetize them. So that, yeah, that's why we
Speaker 2: have laws obviously. Yeah, So I'll read a bit better
Speaker 2: you bio out because I should have done that first.
Speaker 2: Tim uses a rapid deep hypnosis and other fascinating tools
Speaker 2: which will tell us about soon to end addictions, trauma,
Speaker 2: fixed relationship problems, and change lives. You can see reviews
Speaker 2: and video clips on his website, which again is Britain's
Speaker 2: fastest hypnosis dot com. He's been featured in The Natural
Speaker 2: Press Radio TV and it'll probably tell us that he
Speaker 2: actually was involved in Area Grande concert with the h
Speaker 2: therapy afterwards to the people of that. So yeah, I've
Speaker 2: only just sort of read a brief But tell us
Speaker 2: what is rapid then the rapid deep hypnosis. What's the
Speaker 2: difference between the different techniques?
Speaker 3: I guess okay, uh, well, the what I call rapid,
Speaker 3: I would say, is probably about ninety seconds. Anything under
Speaker 3: two minutes I think is rapid, and that's to get
Speaker 3: the kind of state where you can elicit genuinely hypnotic phenomena.
Speaker 3: And one of the things that I do. If anybody
Speaker 3: goes to britains pasatipnatist dot com and looks at the
Speaker 3: videos on there, what you notice is that the typically
Speaker 3: with kids when they come to see me I'm doing
Speaker 3: certain things before i start any work of therapeutic work.
Speaker 3: I'm checking to make sure I've got the hypnotic statement
Speaker 3: and that that we're well placed to do things that
Speaker 3: are actually genuinely useful. So I like to stick people's
Speaker 3: hands to their head, stick them to the chair, those
Speaker 3: sorts of things which you cannot do unless you've a
Speaker 3: genuine hypnotic state. So and so, in terms of rapid
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about is maybe sixty ninety seconds to
Speaker 3: get to that from nothing. And that's a bit different
Speaker 3: from the way most other hypnotherapists go about it, because
Speaker 3: typically they will use sort of very slow relaxational inductions
Speaker 3: for hypnosis and they can last twenty minutes, half an
Speaker 3: hour before they get anywhere. So it's you know, it's
Speaker 3: strikingly different. And one of the things that actually I
Speaker 3: find interesting about it is clients seem to prefer it
Speaker 3: that they like to know that, oh, actually this is hypnosis,
Speaker 3: but this is not just relaxation, and it's one of
Speaker 3: the reasons that I like to do that for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense because if you wanted relaxation classes,
Speaker 2: you would go somewhere they didn't. If you wanted it
Speaker 2: affair for a Pacific cause, you know, whether it be
Speaker 2: PDSD or other reasons. I think it's a bit like
Speaker 2: having a job, because you'd want the job now, and
Speaker 2: then you know, because I just want to be fixed.
Speaker 2: I'm not here for them. I can relax when I
Speaker 2: get home. You know, you want the fixed, an't you
Speaker 2: kind of thing you want to try and get real problem?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Sorry. And the the other thing that another
Speaker 3: reason why I like to work that way is because
Speaker 3: many people are not very good at relaxing. And you know,
Speaker 3: if somebody's if somebody comes in and they're really stressed
Speaker 3: out and feel intense and they're anxious about everything, asking
Speaker 3: them to relax is not necessarily going to be the
Speaker 3: easiest thing in the world. You know, if they could
Speaker 3: relax easily, they wouldn't be coming to see you in
Speaker 3: the first place. So there's there's various different aspects to it,
Speaker 3: but there are really good reasons for doing things quickly.
Speaker 3: But like I said, what really surprised me was when
Speaker 3: I started working in that way, the clients actually sent
Speaker 3: to for bu.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to be skeptical now because you know,
Speaker 2: that's what it's all about we're discussing the work of
Speaker 2: a hypnotherapist. How does it actually work? Then? So you're
Speaker 2: going to you know, I'm just thinking, I'm coming to
Speaker 2: you now. I've got very bad problems because I had
Speaker 2: problems as a child in care. You know, I was
Speaker 2: abused different ways. I've got probably got post traumatic stress
Speaker 2: in a bad way. And you know, I've lived with
Speaker 2: this forty years, maybe fifty years that some people have
Speaker 2: lived with longer. But do they become a lot better
Speaker 2: the first session or does it take several sessions or
Speaker 2: it is a kind of no fixing them properly? But
Speaker 2: it managed you managed to live with it after coming
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 3: Okay, there's a lot of questions there. Can you fix
Speaker 3: them properly? As an interesting one, probably the best way
Speaker 3: to think about that is if you were to get
Speaker 3: a piece of paper and you screwed it up into
Speaker 3: a ball, you'd wrinkle the paper up and you could
Speaker 3: smooth that paper out, but what you'd never do is
Speaker 3: be able to get rid of all the wrinkles. So,
Speaker 3: and it's sort of similar, so you could, so, yes,
Speaker 3: very often you can straighten things out, but what you
Speaker 3: can't do is get rid of the wrinkles. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you wouldn't necessarily want to either, because if somebody has
Speaker 3: been through a sort of very traumatic past, what you
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to do is to erase all memory of that,
Speaker 3: because that firstly, that is their past and it belongs
Speaker 3: to them. But secondly, if you undertake to remove things
Speaker 3: like memories, then how on earth is that person going
Speaker 3: to protect themselves from the same thing happening again. If
Speaker 3: somebody has recollections of the.
Speaker 4: Things that have happened to at least they can go against.
Speaker 4: So usually it's a case of.
Speaker 3: Changing somebody's changing the way somebody relates to reality. Are
Speaker 3: you quite happy to have a long answer, because because
Speaker 3: I'm quite happy to give you a longish answer, and
Speaker 3: I'll make I'll do the best to make it interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, The longer answers make people understand better, don't they?
Speaker 3: Right? Okay, fair enough, Well, one of the things you
Speaker 3: asked was like, you know, can it be done really
Speaker 3: quickly if somebody has had it for a long time.
Speaker 3: The answer is yes, under certain circumstances and for certain reasons.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could ask most people what shape the
Speaker 3: earth is, and most people would say it's a ball,
Speaker 3: and then you could say, okay, well, let's suppose it's
Speaker 3: not a ball. Let's suppose it's shaped like an ice
Speaker 3: cream cone, like a ninety nine or something like that,
Speaker 3: and that all you ever see is the round end.
Speaker 3: You never see the point end, because if NASA or
Speaker 3: the other space agencies showed you that instantly, all the
Speaker 3: funding is going to disappear, and people would be like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, what are those clowns that NASA playing at.
Speaker 3: We know it's not that shape. But let's also suppose
Speaker 3: we could shoot you up into space and you could
Speaker 3: look down on the Earth and see the pointy end
Speaker 3: with your own eyes. The question is, even though you've
Speaker 3: got a lifetime of programming which has taught you one thing,
Speaker 3: how long would it take for you to change your
Speaker 3: opinion about the shape of the Earth. And the reality
Speaker 3: is you could do that in an instant, So it
Speaker 3: doesn't really matter how long somebody's had something that the
Speaker 3: human brain is perfectly capable of unlearning things if they
Speaker 3: if they're shown to be incorrect, and it can it
Speaker 3: can unlearn anything. So if somebody's carrying around all sorts
Speaker 3: of problems, those are things that they have learned as
Speaker 3: they've gone through life, or maybe they learned it from
Speaker 3: some traumatic experience or our sequence of traumatic experience. Those
Speaker 3: things can be unlearned in exactly the same way that
Speaker 3: you can unlearn other things. And so what we're really
Speaker 3: dealing with is what I call the model of reality,
Speaker 3: because when people interact with the world and have feelings
Speaker 3: about themselves or about other people, what they're actually reacting
Speaker 3: to is not reality. It's reality as they perceive it,
Speaker 3: as they understand it. And everybody understands reality in a
Speaker 3: different way. That's why if you go on Twitter, you
Speaker 3: can you can get involved in any conversation and you'll
Speaker 3: find that people have very, very different opinions about it,
Speaker 3: and that's because they're all modeling reality in different ways.
Speaker 3: So in order to correct problems for people, you're not
Speaker 3: changing anything about them. All you're doing is using hypnosis
Speaker 3: and other tools in order to change the way that
Speaker 3: person models reality. And if you can do that, then
Speaker 3: you can reshape their entire experience of life. If that's
Speaker 3: what you want to do.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean a lot of people will want
Speaker 2: their problems solved when they quickly rather than later. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, actually, it's very often better to do it quickly
Speaker 3: because if again, if you think about it, the things
Speaker 3: that affect you the most profoundly and the most deeply
Speaker 3: are typically not things that took a long time to happen.
Speaker 3: They're usually things that happened quickly. So in terms of
Speaker 3: what's the best way to go about solving things, it's
Speaker 3: typically best to do it. What would be example, Okay,
Speaker 3: somebody could go in and out of London on the
Speaker 3: train every day they're commuting to work, you know, they say,
Speaker 3: they're reading the newspaper, all the rest of it. Then
Speaker 3: one day the tray there's a train accident, it comes
Speaker 3: off the tracks or collides with another train. People can
Speaker 3: become traumatized in second and the results of that would
Speaker 3: be very very profound. So if the human brain can
Speaker 3: do something like that very very quickly in a bad way,
Speaker 3: going from feeling relaxed and happy to traumatized and everything's
Speaker 3: upsetting me, all the rest of it, then it's firstly,
Speaker 3: it's obvious that it's perfectly capable of doing it in
Speaker 3: reverse because the same amount of rewiring is required, that's all.
Speaker 3: And secondly, it's probably best to do it quickly because
Speaker 3: that seems to be the way the human mind works.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense because.
Speaker 2: A lot of people with these traumas the last thing
Speaker 2: they want to do. It depends on the situation, you know,
Speaker 2: health trauma problem with health might be different to somebody
Speaker 2: who's got PTSD, seen a bum or you know, they
Speaker 2: had to train crash or they've been a booze in
Speaker 2: children's homes. They're different levels, I guess, but I'd certainly
Speaker 2: agree that it's Yeah, my point. Sorry I've gone the
Speaker 2: wrong way. My point I was trying to make. I
Speaker 2: think they wouldn't want to do this several times because
Speaker 2: the worst thing is keep remembering what why you're there?
Speaker 2: You know, why am we going out to the counsel
Speaker 2: of the fair hypnosis? You know? They don't want to
Speaker 2: remember that. They want to literally raise everything, and most
Speaker 2: people want to do it quickly. I mean I know
Speaker 2: I would. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing is it makes sense to do it quickly,
Speaker 3: like I said, partly because of the way our own
Speaker 3: minds work, but secondly it is just the logical way
Speaker 3: to go about it. If if people go from feeling
Speaker 3: fine to being traumatized quickly, and that's typically the way
Speaker 3: it happens, it makes no sense to put somebody in
Speaker 3: two years of therapy for that, because if the the
Speaker 3: best way to solve things is to use is to
Speaker 3: exploit the same mechanisms that change people in the first
Speaker 3: place in order to change them back. So that's basically
Speaker 3: my sort of fundamental approach is how did this in
Speaker 3: the first place? What must have happened, What sources of information,
Speaker 3: what streams of information were going into this person's mind
Speaker 3: and changed to happen to them in the first place,
Speaker 3: didn't so I end up in this date. Okay, If
Speaker 3: that's the case, then how do we do that in reverse?
Speaker 3: And that's it's it's very, very different from the sort
Speaker 3: of traditional way of going about solving things where I mean,
Speaker 3: there was a fire in kings Tross station years ago,
Speaker 3: I think it was King's Cross and I was sat
Speaker 3: watching the television and they were talking to people who'd
Speaker 3: had like two and three years of counseling after that,
Speaker 3: and I literally could not understand it, because if somebody
Speaker 3: is taking two or three years to solve a problem
Speaker 3: like that, then clearly they're going about it the wrong way.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't make sense because it ignores the way
Speaker 3: people's minds actually work.
Speaker 2: Well. My negative response to that would be the whoever's
Speaker 2: trying to solve these poor people's problems, they're just doing
Speaker 2: it for the money. On that occasion, because even these
Speaker 2: well I guess they're called rapid counselors, rapid counselors a
Speaker 2: bit similar to what you do in the hypnosis, Even
Speaker 2: the counselors, because I've been to one for a reason
Speaker 2: and they actually say that we prefer to see you
Speaker 2: over the shorter period rather than the longer one because
Speaker 2: it doesn't have an effect after so many weeks. I
Speaker 2: think it's six weeks. Oh and of course the funding
Speaker 2: is not always good after that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I think if somebody has puts it, at least
Speaker 3: puts a limit on the amount of time that they're
Speaker 3: going to spend with somebody, I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: My way of doing hypnosis is under normal circumstances, not
Speaker 3: during COVID because things are having to be worked on
Speaker 3: slightly differently, but they are under normal circumstances. My approach
Speaker 3: tonosis is a single session for anything that includes. For
Speaker 3: years I specialized in straightening out bulimia nervosa and anorexia.
Speaker 3: Most recently i've been doing lots of work on chronic
Speaker 3: alcohol conditions because of a book that a lady wrote,
Speaker 3: Who Saw Me, which is on Amazon. And again, those
Speaker 3: things are all undertaken in a single session, but there's
Speaker 3: a big difference between a single session for chronic alcoholism
Speaker 3: and a single session for a spider phobia. If it
Speaker 3: was a spiderphobia, I'd expect to have that straightened out
Speaker 3: in maybe sixty minutes, But with chronic alcohol I'm devoting
Speaker 3: most of an entire day. So even though it's a
Speaker 3: single session, it's it's a single long, intensive session for
Speaker 3: certain things. And that's it's just because for some things
Speaker 3: there is a lot of work to do. And the
Speaker 3: example that you gave of somebody who's had, you know,
Speaker 3: countless different traumas, all sorts of problems. Their life's been
Speaker 3: a bit of a train wreck, So there can be
Speaker 3: a lot to straighten out if you're going to help
Speaker 3: a person who's been in that kind of situation, and
Speaker 3: that's very different from somebody whose life has been fairly
Speaker 3: straightforward but who's experienced a single traumatic event, And the
Speaker 3: two things are completely different, so they require they may
Speaker 3: require different approaches, but also the amount of time that's
Speaker 3: required could be very different. One of the reasons why
Speaker 3: I work in that way goes back to when I
Speaker 3: was working on eating disorders, which initially because years ago
Speaker 3: I was working in a way which is very similar
Speaker 3: to the way ollther hypnotherapists worked, and it was I
Speaker 3: do maybe an hour and a half one weeek and
Speaker 3: an hour and a half the next. But when I
Speaker 3: started working on eating disorders, I began to attract people
Speaker 3: from further and further afield, and I had people lying
Speaker 3: in from Thailand and Egypt, which if you're in the
Speaker 3: northeast of England is really quite something for a hypnotherapist,
Speaker 3: and there's no way under those circumstances that you can
Speaker 3: have them come back every week. So I started rolling
Speaker 3: everything up into one session, and what I discovered was
Speaker 3: is actually better in terms of outcomes, because if you
Speaker 3: do things and you break it into separate sessions, then
Speaker 3: you've got the sort of one step forward, two step
Speaker 3: backs types and types in O or two steps forward,
Speaker 3: one step back, hopefully where somebody will managed to undo
Speaker 3: some of the progress that they've made between sessions. If
Speaker 3: you've got somebody, you know they're bombs on the seat
Speaker 3: in front of you, and you've got them there for
Speaker 3: the entire day. There's no opportunity for that to happen.
Speaker 3: So it's actually a much more efficient way to work.
Speaker 3: It can be exhausting, but in terms of is it best,
Speaker 3: in terms of if somebody is really in a mess,
Speaker 3: it's typically the best way to do it in my experience,
Speaker 3: which is how I ended up working in this way.
Speaker 2: Yes, so just typically, then what does the session involve?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm just talking from layman's terms. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm imagining. Then you sit me down somewhere or I
Speaker 2: lay down, whatever the case may be, and then you
Speaker 2: sort of put me into this state of half awake,
Speaker 2: half of sleep. I call it because I'm sure that
Speaker 2: you must know what's going on technically with your eyes,
Speaker 2: but maybe the rest of your mind is somewhere else.
Speaker 2: I'm just this is from somebody who doesn't know anything
Speaker 2: about this. So what actually happens? And how do you
Speaker 2: go on to cur them? Is it what you say?
Speaker 2: What you do? Yeah? That kind of okay?
Speaker 3: All right, Well again there's in some way questions.
Speaker 1: Makes it not.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: The typical way that I go about things is first
Speaker 3: when somebody post arrives in the other then I will
Speaker 3: give them a brief explanation of what hypnosis is and
Speaker 3: how their own mind works. And typically I'll relate that
Speaker 3: to the problem that they're coming to me because they
Speaker 3: want to solve it. Occasionally I get to work on
Speaker 3: things where people are just looking to improve things, but
Speaker 3: normally it's a problem that brings somebody to my door.
Speaker 3: So I'll give them an explanation of how their own
Speaker 3: mind works and what suggestions is all about, and how
Speaker 3: hypnotis changes things. And then, like I said, what I'll
Speaker 3: typically do is give them a demonstration. And the demonstration
Speaker 3: for me is a test to make sure that I've
Speaker 3: got that I can get the kind of state that
Speaker 3: I want whereby their genuinely responsive to suggestion. And like
Speaker 3: I say, so, typically for me, I like to lock
Speaker 3: people's eyes shut. I like to stick their hands to
Speaker 3: their head. I like to glue their feet to the floor,
Speaker 3: stick them and them to the chair. Sometimes I'll offer
Speaker 3: them money to get out of the chair, so that
Speaker 3: what I'm doing there is testing for myself that yes,
Speaker 3: this is hypnosis and this person is somebody that I
Speaker 3: know I can work with using these methods, and secondly
Speaker 3: for that for that person, then they don't question whether
Speaker 3: it's hypnosis. But all I'm using is words. I am
Speaker 3: actually sort of hands on as a hypnotherapist or I like,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm lifting people's arms and so forth. But
Speaker 3: it's with words, and words are incredibly powerful, and it's
Speaker 3: only because words are powerful that you can have things
Speaker 3: like education systems. In terms of what is hypnosis, you
Speaker 3: can think of it as a kind kind of relaxed concentration.
Speaker 3: So what I'm talking about is describing reality to somebody
Speaker 3: not in a way that it is not rejected, and
Speaker 3: as long as it's accepted, then somebody models reality in
Speaker 3: that way and it becomes their experience of reality because
Speaker 3: they live inside the model. And that's basically what I'm
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 6: So if somebody has believed about black holes, for example,
Speaker 6: they've got no experience of a black hole, but most
Speaker 6: people would say, well, it's a hole in space.
Speaker 3: And you know, they've seen Brian Cox come on the
Speaker 3: television with his flashy graphics and wow, this is what
Speaker 3: a black hole does and things get sucked into it
Speaker 3: and all the rest of it, and most people will
Speaker 3: quite happily believe that even though they've never seen it,
Speaker 3: they're never going to see one. They have no way
Speaker 3: of validating it or checking it. Even though if they
Speaker 3: go out into the garden and they dig a big
Speaker 3: hole in the garden, they can't put a hole inside
Speaker 3: the hole. Their experience tells them that they can't have
Speaker 3: a hole inside a hole. And yet when Brian Cox
Speaker 3: comes on the television and tells people that this is true,
Speaker 3: they will absolutely believe it. Now, some people would say, ah,
Speaker 3: but it's all about this bending and warping of space time. Well,
Speaker 3: when did you or I ever experience space and time
Speaker 3: being bent or warped? That has also been suggested to them.
Speaker 3: As long as they believe it, they will believe what's
Speaker 3: being said. This is the whole basis of education. That
Speaker 3: the only reason schools work and colleges and wedgure theaters
Speaker 3: is because we are all suggestible. And so what hypnosis
Speaker 3: does is it's basically it's heightening that level of suggestibility
Speaker 3: that we all have in the first place, using very
Speaker 3: specific methods in order to describe reality in a different
Speaker 3: way so that somebody can view reality in a different
Speaker 3: way the world around them, whether it's scary, whether it's
Speaker 3: not scary, so that they can view themselves in a
Speaker 3: different way, usually a better way, that they might view
Speaker 3: some kind of substance in a different way than the
Speaker 3: way they were before. But it's been suggested to them
Speaker 3: to do that, and so it's a bit like it's
Speaker 3: a bit like education, and that's that's one of the
Speaker 3: things that really people find a bit peculiar about it
Speaker 3: because they expect hypnosis to be this strange altered state
Speaker 3: where they won't remember anything and they'll be it's like
Speaker 3: they've been, you know, knocked out, fast, asleep all the
Speaker 3: rest of it. When somebody is in deep state of hypnosis,
Speaker 3: they are one hundred percent aware of what's going on.
Speaker 3: They typically remember everything that was said, and you know,
Speaker 3: they can't be controlled. But what you did have is
Speaker 3: a doorway through which you can suggest different ways of
Speaker 3: looking at things or experiencing things in a way which
Speaker 3: their mind can incorporate into their understanding of reality itself.
Speaker 3: But it's no different really from what typically happens in
Speaker 3: the real world. You know that somebody might explain something
Speaker 3: to you on the television, or you may bee sat
Speaker 3: watching a Ted talk on YouTube and it gets you
Speaker 3: to think about things in a different way. That's basically
Speaker 3: the same thing. It's just imagine that, but very very
Speaker 3: carefully designed to steer your mind in a particular direction,
Speaker 3: but also having taken steps to open up the your
Speaker 3: and to heighten your level of suggestibility so that practically
Speaker 3: nothing gets rejected and it all goes in. So you
Speaker 3: could argue that children are in a state of hypnosis
Speaker 3: when they're sitting in a classroom listening to a teacher
Speaker 3: describing what anatom is and how it works and all
Speaker 3: the rest of it, and to an extent, that would
Speaker 3: be correct. Yes they are, but it's not a deep
Speaker 3: state of hypnosis. It's like a light state of hypnosis.
Speaker 3: And so the difference really isn't about heightening somebody's suggestibility,
Speaker 3: but it's about exploiting mechanisms that are already there and
Speaker 3: putting them to genuinely useful purposes.
Speaker 2: I was actually thinking at that point when you mentioned
Speaker 2: the children in the classroom, I remember if I'm interested
Speaker 2: in the subject. When I was at school, I do
Speaker 2: remember feeling, you know, kind of yeah, that's good, And
Speaker 2: to this very day I remember what was told to
Speaker 2: me because you know, I remembered it. You know, I
Speaker 2: was interested in it, but then became a time where
Speaker 2: if it was something you didn't like, that hypnosis stay
Speaker 2: became sleep because you were so bored with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right about that. And if you think
Speaker 3: about this, suppose it was a lesson that you didn't like, right,
Speaker 3: and you're told at the start of the lesson that
Speaker 3: you're going to be tested when you get to the
Speaker 3: end if you pay attention or if you fall asleep.
Speaker 3: Those are the two choices, and you get a test
Speaker 3: at the end with which way you're going to get
Speaker 3: the best result on the test. You're going to get
Speaker 3: the best result if you stay awake and you listen
Speaker 3: and you focus and you concentrate the one the child
Speaker 3: who falls asleep is going to do very badly on
Speaker 3: the test. So there's this idea that hypnosis is like sleep,
Speaker 3: and and absolutely it's not, because if somebody just falls asleep,
Speaker 3: you're not going to get very far with them. So
Speaker 3: it's the best way to think of it is as
Speaker 3: as a kind of relaxed concentration. And when you were
Speaker 3: talking about the lessons that you enjoyed, you would have
Speaker 3: been feeling relaxed in those lessons, but you would also
Speaker 3: have been concentrating and absorbing information. So it's a very
Speaker 3: very similar thing, and that you brought that off is
Speaker 3: actually very helpful because it's perhaps a good way for
Speaker 3: people to understand it.
Speaker 2: There's also another question. This might be a bit of
Speaker 2: a teaser, So if if you can do that yourself, sorry,
Speaker 2: now the other way around, if you can do it
Speaker 2: with you hypnosis, why can't you actually do that yourself?
Speaker 2: And then the next bit I was going to bring
Speaker 2: in to compliment that is about the audio recordings that
Speaker 2: you know, the pst C therapy.
Speaker 3: Well, actually we can talk about those, but well, why
Speaker 3: can't you do it yourself? What you can, but you
Speaker 3: need to go about it in the right way, and
Speaker 3: most people don't and most books on self hypnosis are
Speaker 3: just wrong. And that's the only way to put it.
Speaker 3: The thing is, the way hypnosis works is I'll try
Speaker 3: and explain it as briefly as I can and as
Speaker 3: succinctly as I can. When somebody says something to you,
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what it is. Typically what you'll do is
Speaker 3: you will and you'll be doing it now as I
Speaker 3: talk talk to and explain this. Typically when somebody explains
Speaker 3: something to you, you'll wrap your conscious mind around it
Speaker 3: and you'll pull it apart in order to see whether
Speaker 3: it makes sense. Now, if you decide that it does
Speaker 3: make sense, then your conscious mind allows that information to
Speaker 3: pass back to your subconscious mind, so your subconscious mind
Speaker 3: can update the model of reality, because you don't know
Speaker 3: how to do that consciously. If, however, your conscious mind says, nah,
Speaker 3: I'm not having that. I don't That just doesn't jive
Speaker 3: with me, you know, it doesn't square with my understanding
Speaker 3: of reality, then you'll reject it. But that piece of
Speaker 3: information is still passed back to your subconscious mind because
Speaker 3: that's where your long term memory is handled and so forth.
Speaker 3: But by now it's got a flag in it he says,
Speaker 3: don't do an update. So at that point nothing happens.
Speaker 3: Your beliefs don't change. So what you really need to
Speaker 3: do is to bypass the conscious mind, because it's the
Speaker 3: conscious mind that really it acts like a guardian, basically
Speaker 3: deciding what comes in and what doesn't. And so when
Speaker 3: somebody suggests something to you, your conscious mind does this
Speaker 3: sort of filter, works, this sort of filtering magic on things.
Speaker 3: But the only way you can filter information is based
Speaker 3: on the beliefs you've already got, so if you are
Speaker 3: if somebody gives you a suggestion and it's completely at
Speaker 3: odds with the beliefs you already have, then typically you'll
Speaker 3: reject it and nothing will change in the way you
Speaker 3: model reality. If, however, somebody gives you a suggestion and
Speaker 3: you don't reject it, then your subconscious mind will do
Speaker 3: has always done, which is to do an update to
Speaker 3: the model of reality, and then you start to see
Speaker 3: things differently. So hypnosis is about sidestepping that filter mechanism,
Speaker 3: which is called the critical faculty of a conscious mind.
Speaker 3: And if you think about it, if you try to
Speaker 3: do self hypnosis, then typically what you're doing is suggesting
Speaker 3: new ways of looking at things or feeling about things
Speaker 3: to yourself, but you've already decided you don't agree with
Speaker 3: them when you start. So typically what will happen is
Speaker 3: people will just filter those suggestions and they don't get anywhere.
Speaker 3: The other thing that sometimes people will do is try
Speaker 3: a sort of relaxed version of self hypnosis, where you know,
Speaker 3: they try to relax, relact, relax, relax, relax, and they
Speaker 3: don't give them self suggestions. But at that point, their
Speaker 3: conscious mind isn't really capable of delivering the suggestions that
Speaker 3: they need because it's become self relaxed. So there are
Speaker 3: finding a navigating a path through that to make self
Speaker 3: hypnosis effective. It can be done, but it's not very straightforward,
Speaker 3: so there are ways to do it. But that's typically
Speaker 3: why self hypnosis isn't very effective when it's gone about
Speaker 3: in certain ways because either somebody's relaxed their conscious mind
Speaker 3: to the point where they're not given them self suggestions
Speaker 3: or the kinds of suggestions that would be useful. Or secondly,
Speaker 3: their conscious mind isn't relaxed, but they've given them self
Speaker 3: suggestions they disagree with, so they just filter them out.
Speaker 3: And it's avoiding that scenario that is the challenge when
Speaker 3: it comes to self hypnosis. There's one reason why it's
Speaker 3: helpful to see somebody else because if you work with
Speaker 3: somebody else, you know, if you go and see a hypnotherapist,
Speaker 3: they can, you know, they can decide what's going to
Speaker 3: be the most effective kind of suggestion for this person
Speaker 3: to receive. And they can also help somebody to reach
Speaker 3: a point where they are where they become highly suggestible,
Speaker 3: where things can be suggested, which are odds with the
Speaker 3: way that person currently models reality, and so that that's
Speaker 3: why a two person process is often more effective than
Speaker 3: somebody trying to hypnotize themselves. Hopefully that's makes sense.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, we don't uprate on ourselves,
Speaker 2: really do we. So it's probably better to have these
Speaker 2: things done by the profession rather than yourself, because I
Speaker 2: guess I no fair, it's like yourself. It's probably possible
Speaker 2: you could do it to yourself because you've had the expertise,
Speaker 2: but anybody else probably should go to yourself rather than
Speaker 2: trying it themselves. Well, I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean that certainly, when hypnotherapists want help, very often
Speaker 3: they'll consult all the hypnotherapists rather than trying to help themselves.
Speaker 3: And I've worked with many hypnotherapists. Yeah, They've asked to
Speaker 3: come and see me, and I've I've worked on problems
Speaker 3: for them. And the reason for that, I think is
Speaker 3: basically that if somebody has a problem, they are expert
Speaker 3: in having that problem. They clearly aren't expert in solving
Speaker 3: it for themselves, otherwise they would have done it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's true. You don't go to the doctor d
Speaker 2: for a fix your problem. If you can go to
Speaker 2: the chemist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing, their problem, but they're experts in
Speaker 3: having a problem.
Speaker 2: Just briefly tell us about the the interactive audio record
Speaker 2: and then that you try.
Speaker 3: To Okay, yeah, well the actually what it's probably best
Speaker 3: I tell you about the PTSD study because that's you know,
Speaker 3: it hasn't been reported in the press in this country
Speaker 3: and quite why I for the life of that, I
Speaker 3: don't understand it. But I designed a way of correcting
Speaker 3: PTSD using an audio process and some time ago it
Speaker 3: was this was picked up by well it came to
Speaker 3: the awareness of a neuroscience clinic in South America, of
Speaker 3: all places, which is a long way away from the
Speaker 3: northeast of England, but it's probably the most respected neuroscience
Speaker 3: clinic and that part of the world, and they've got
Speaker 3: an international reputation. But it's a combination. They're staffed by
Speaker 3: neuroscientists and psychiatrists and they did a pilot study on
Speaker 3: this treatment for PTSD that I designed, and they shortly
Speaker 3: before Christmas they published the results of the pilot study,
Speaker 3: so this went into the scientific press. The results though
Speaker 3: really really surprised them because every single person on the
Speaker 3: study improved. So everybody understudies started out with the clinical
Speaker 3: diagnosis of post traumatic stress disorder, which typically is something
Speaker 3: which is long and slow to straighten out. And in
Speaker 3: this country, the two methods for doing that that the
Speaker 3: NHS proposes and funds are counseling. There's oh, actually there's
Speaker 3: cognitive behavioral therapy, and also something called EMDR, but in
Speaker 3: terms of sessions, it's a lot of sessions. What the
Speaker 3: clinic in Mexico were trialing was an audio way of
Speaker 3: doing this that I created, designed and they did a
Speaker 3: half hour intervention with each participant. No therapist was required,
Speaker 3: and the half our intervention worked for every single participant
Speaker 3: in terms of reducing their PTSD for most of them,
Speaker 3: it was just very significantly reduced. For a third of
Speaker 3: the participants in the study just that half hour, the
Speaker 3: result was sufficient that they no longer qualified for a
Speaker 3: PTSD diagnosis, so that they were considered to be completely cure.
Speaker 3: So the Nearest clinic has been working on a much
Speaker 3: bigger study which is apparently also awaiting publication. But I've
Speaker 3: been told that the results are basically the same. It's
Speaker 3: just that it's it was done even more rigorously and
Speaker 3: with much much greater number of people. But those tools
Speaker 3: are available. Am I allowed to say where those tools
Speaker 3: are available? Are not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, just keep advertising anything that helps people. That's while
Speaker 2: we're here.
Speaker 3: Those tools are available through through a mind technologies company
Speaker 3: which is based in the UK called Orpheous Mind Technologies.
Speaker 3: And if anybody has suffered any if anybody's listening and
Speaker 3: they've suffered any kind of trauma orvieous mind technology orfeous
Speaker 3: as in the sort of Greek mythological character or orvieous
Speaker 3: mind technologies, have those available. Anybody can download them. There
Speaker 3: are a couple of NHS trials already agree because of
Speaker 3: the results that have been had, and Orpheous are also
Speaker 3: collaborating with the likes of Imperial College and a couple
Speaker 3: of other universities because of the just the quality of
Speaker 3: outcome that's been had. So we you know, we're surprised
Speaker 3: that it hasn't made the press because that it is
Speaker 3: completely unheard of this but that's what the scientists have
Speaker 3: said having tested it. And that's also my experience because
Speaker 3: you know, obviously we talked about me doing things rapidly
Speaker 3: and in my sessions. I designed these tools because there
Speaker 3: are things that are tricky to do with hypnosis and
Speaker 3: sometimes it's useful to have tools to plug those gaps.
Speaker 3: So when people see me in person, it's a combination,
Speaker 3: you know, typically in a session is a combination of
Speaker 3: hypnosis and the tools that Orpheous have made available to
Speaker 3: the public. So that's one of the reasons that I'm
Speaker 3: able to get results quickly. So in many ways, the
Speaker 3: I am really fortunate because not only have I got
Speaker 3: access to these amazing tools, but also over the years,
Speaker 3: I've become very adept at hypnosis, and it's that's a
Speaker 3: powerful combination. But the PTSD thing is, you know, it's
Speaker 3: something I'm very, very proud of, but I would like
Speaker 3: to see it being picked up by the likes of
Speaker 3: the military and so forth. And actually, at the end
Speaker 3: of COVID, there are going to be so many people
Speaker 3: suffering from all sorts of different kinds of post traumatic stress.
Speaker 2: Exactly. I kind of know a lot of I know
Speaker 2: a lot of war veteran societies, and I've had some
Speaker 2: big well not not in the last couple of years,
Speaker 2: but between me and the people I know, we probably
Speaker 2: know the biggest Society PTSD in this country. So we
Speaker 2: need to show like this, you know, and maybe another
Speaker 2: one to kind of you know, once the show's done,
Speaker 2: I'll put it out to them and I tell what
Speaker 2: I've noticed. Though. You may be the creative of PSTC therapy,
Speaker 2: but there's ten pages of Google now people doing the
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 3: Well no, not people doing the same thing. And I
Speaker 3: think that's really that that I think is really important.
Speaker 3: It's a really important distinction to make because there are
Speaker 3: things that may look or sound similar, but they definitely aren't.
Speaker 3: And the difference is that this has been scientifically validated
Speaker 3: completely independently. You know, the only the only involved that
Speaker 3: I had in that study was providing the tools, explaining
Speaker 3: how they should be used, and then the neuroscientists set
Speaker 3: to work with them. So it is completely fully independent.
Speaker 3: So it's it's a proper genuine third party verification by scientists.
Speaker 3: So because anybody could make a claim and yeah, it
Speaker 3: may be that there are other things that work well,
Speaker 3: but that that I think is the difference. And like
Speaker 3: I said, you know, the the NHS, we have at
Speaker 3: least fortunately got some NHS trials agreed. Although COVID has
Speaker 3: got in the way with that a bit. But like
Speaker 3: I said, these kinds of things are going to be
Speaker 3: important because so many people will have been traumatized because
Speaker 3: of COVID in all sorts of different ways. There is
Speaker 3: no way that there would be sufficient number of therapists
Speaker 3: to deal with to deal with them all. So it's
Speaker 3: going to have whatever solution is eventually decided upon, it's
Speaker 3: going to have to be something that doesn't require a
Speaker 3: lot of therapist involvement because there just aren't that many therapists.
Speaker 3: But there are going to be huge numbers of people
Speaker 3: when we go, when we come out of the pandemic
Speaker 3: situation that qualify for these PTSD diagnoses. You know, people
Speaker 3: working in the emergency services, people working in the police,
Speaker 3: people working you know, all over the place. People are
Speaker 3: having to deal with things that they've never had to
Speaker 3: deal with before, and stress can be cumulative. So you know,
Speaker 3: the people are already talking about a mental health you know,
Speaker 3: mental health sort of disaster explosion because they can see
Speaker 3: it in the pipeline and there are the NHS has
Speaker 3: got places where the number of calls that they're getting
Speaker 3: is you know, it's gone up like two and three
Speaker 3: hundred percent and I'm sure that the same is true
Speaker 3: of mind and various other plates, the various other bodies
Speaker 3: that the undertake to help people with mental health issues.
Speaker 3: Once everything's over, then it's really going to hit people.
Speaker 3: So at the moment, we're probably at the eye in
Speaker 3: the storm. You'll know sometimes if sometimes, if something's going on,
Speaker 3: you might run on adrenaline, and it's not until after things,
Speaker 3: after things have sort of calmed down, that it really
Speaker 3: hits people what's happened. So I think it is probable
Speaker 3: that we will see this mental health crisis really explode,
Speaker 3: and whatever can be done to help people, it's going
Speaker 3: to be it's going to be important because the NHS
Speaker 3: is going to have to start looking at other things
Speaker 3: because they just aren't the number of therapists to do
Speaker 3: it otherwise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I must have met my wife said that a
Speaker 2: need for PTSD treatment. They won't officially diagnose it because
Speaker 2: as was the childhood trauma. When she was young, she
Speaker 2: was raped in a care home and they we you know,
Speaker 2: we as the people that are married to such victims,
Speaker 2: we think, you know, you know, severe trauma of course,
Speaker 2: but it's also we think PTSD because it's that rapid
Speaker 2: shock of child experienced and what they experienced and then
Speaker 2: suddenly being phone you know, kind of phone out to
Speaker 2: dry on their own. And we also know that talking
Speaker 2: to survivors of this really bad problem, the cognitive behavioral
Speaker 2: FAIRP isn't really I mean I'm not an expert, but
Speaker 2: they think it's not the right thing. And even if
Speaker 2: it was the six eight months minimum, to wait probably
Speaker 2: for years in certain areas of Scotland. I mean, we're
Speaker 2: lucky to have a good you know, mental health services
Speaker 2: up here, but you know, I think a tool like
Speaker 2: you own, from what I've read, seems so quickly, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't have to necessarily rely on the fair pest
Speaker 2: to be available all the time, where you know, your
Speaker 2: doctor could say, look, this is what you do and
Speaker 2: this is how you do it, and wouldn't that be
Speaker 2: better than waiting months and years for seeing people?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well absolutely I agree with you. And I've got
Speaker 3: a colleague who works in the Northwest of England who's
Speaker 3: actually working in schools using these tools, and he what
Speaker 3: he's found is that he's working with children for all
Speaker 3: sorts of things, and very often it's various different kinds
Speaker 3: of trauma and they've either got a huge waiting list
Speaker 3: to get in and see cams, which is the sort
Speaker 3: of children's sort of the mental health body. Most children
Speaker 3: are directed towards cams if they've got any kind of
Speaker 3: mental health issue. But cams has a long waiting list
Speaker 3: and also things do tend to take a long time
Speaker 3: when people are working with cams. But Peter has, like
Speaker 3: say he's working in a number of schools in the
Speaker 3: northwest of England. Well he's found using these tools and
Speaker 3: the schools have testified to it, so I can talk
Speaker 3: about this and if you you know, if anybody wants
Speaker 3: the evidence, so we can provide it. But the schools
Speaker 3: have said that, you know, they're typically seeing results in
Speaker 3: maybe a couple of sessions with children that have had
Speaker 3: sometimes two or three years of CAM involvement. Cams involvement,
Speaker 3: so it is all together different. And one of the
Speaker 3: things that I think is probable in terms of the
Speaker 3: NHS trials is that they're likely to be working with
Speaker 3: It's like this is likely to be offered to people
Speaker 3: while they are in a waiting list to see somebody
Speaker 3: in person, because if they can be straightened out without
Speaker 3: having to wait to see somebody in person. Then that's
Speaker 3: obviously beneficial all round. It's better for the it's better
Speaker 3: for the for the patients, and it's also going to
Speaker 3: be better for the NHS because there is going to
Speaker 3: be this huge burden. Oh, I mean, it's large anyway,
Speaker 3: and even before COVID started, the mental health provision was
Speaker 3: lackluster at best. But you're absolutely right. I agree with
Speaker 3: you about CBT. I'm no fan of CBT, as why
Speaker 3: I'm not a CBC CBT therapist, And one of the
Speaker 3: one of the reasons because sometimes people ask me, well,
Speaker 3: why don't you Why don't you rate CBT, And the
Speaker 3: primary is because I've seen so many people who've had
Speaker 3: CBT and got nowhere. But it doesn't surprise me because
Speaker 3: CBT is short for cognitive behavioral therapy, and anything that's
Speaker 3: cognitive is about what's going on in the conscious mind.
Speaker 3: But if somebody's got bullaming a nervosa and they're binging
Speaker 3: and purging all the time, so by purging, I'm in
Speaker 3: throwing up. Usually sometimes it's taken laxatives and so forth.
Speaker 3: If somebody is doing those kinds of things, they know
Speaker 3: there's a problem, they're already cognitive of it. They just
Speaker 3: don't know how to solve it. So, and if you're
Speaker 3: going to solve something like that, you have to address
Speaker 3: it at the level of the subconscious. You know, if
Speaker 3: it was subconscious therapy, then that would be different, but
Speaker 3: it's not. It's directed at the conscious mind. But the
Speaker 3: conscious mind already knows there is a problem, otherwise it
Speaker 3: wouldn't be seeking help. And secondly, the conscious mind doesn't
Speaker 3: know how to solve it. People consciously knew how to
Speaker 3: solve their problems, they would be doing it for themselves.
Speaker 3: So I think that the evidence base for CBT is
Speaker 3: actually very weak as I understand it. But those are
Speaker 3: the reasons why for me, I'm not a fan, because
Speaker 3: to me, it seems obvious that it's never going to
Speaker 3: be particularly effective because it doesn't address things at the
Speaker 3: light the right level of mind.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm going to ask you how you started all this,
Speaker 2: and then you know, over the next ten to fifteen minutes,
Speaker 2: probably wrap it up, give websites out and how to
Speaker 2: contact you. But can we just pause for a two
Speaker 2: minute break that helps me with editing the show better.
Speaker 2: I'll be back in two minutes. So a little jingle,
Speaker 2: a little song, and they'll be back.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, welcome back. It's Andy. It's who hasn't talk
Speaker 2: radio for a Wednesday evening. We're here today with Tim
Speaker 2: Tim for zac Luiza, Britain's finest and fastest hypnosis. So
Speaker 2: we're going to talk now, hopefully. I had a question
Speaker 2: when I was thinking when that music was I actually
Speaker 2: played them on the wrong track. I was just thinking,
Speaker 2: wouldn't it be amazing if every single person that needed
Speaker 2: help could could get a treatment straight away or at
Speaker 2: least within a month or something. And I think what
Speaker 2: the problem is with our society? And I can't knock
Speaker 2: help because health is brilliant when you need it badly,
Speaker 2: but when it comes to mental health in the mind,
Speaker 2: it seems to be a bit slow, you know, Tim,
Speaker 2: A lot a lot of the trouble is you've got
Speaker 2: to do it our way, otherwise you know, it don't exist.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think we still live in that
Speaker 2: age of alternative therapy is not the right way to go,
Speaker 2: and most people know it's the right way to go
Speaker 2: because I mean, a little simple example from myself, I
Speaker 2: was told I'd pre diabetes by the blood tests from
Speaker 2: the NHS, and you know you can't treat that yourself.
Speaker 2: You've got to have these tab No I didn't. I
Speaker 2: just cut out the stuff that made it that way
Speaker 2: by googling it. I mean, it's a no brainer sometimes.
Speaker 2: But I really think the NHS needs open up a
Speaker 2: bit more about alternative therapies. And I certainly, you know,
Speaker 2: if I could go to you once or twice, if
Speaker 2: it cost me a thousand and a million pounds, if
Speaker 2: I had the money, of course, it would be more
Speaker 2: worth it than going several times. I still say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not going to I absolutely agree with you
Speaker 3: about the NHS. I think in some ways it's a
Speaker 3: it is a fantastic institution. And obviously you said we
Speaker 3: were going to talk about how I got into hypnosis
Speaker 3: in the first place. So one of the things I
Speaker 3: wanted to do is to applaud the NHS, because for
Speaker 3: us it's been just amazing. But one of the but
Speaker 3: in some ways it's an absolutely astonishingly wonderful institution. The
Speaker 3: people that work within the NHS, in our experience have
Speaker 3: been have been wonderful for the most part. But as
Speaker 3: an organization, it's it's like many big organizations. It can
Speaker 3: be slow to move and slow to adapt, I think,
Speaker 3: and so I think to an extent, there is a Yeah,
Speaker 3: there is an issue there when it comes to hypnotherapy.
Speaker 3: I think hypnotherapists themselves are partly to blame and there
Speaker 3: are definitely that there is definitely a problem in the
Speaker 3: world of hypnotherapy. If you know, if you want to
Speaker 3: discuss that, I'd be quite happy to. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: absolutely agree with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wanted to know a little bit more
Speaker 2: about how you became a hit the therapist. Regarding the
Speaker 2: terminal illness in the family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it was, Yeah, it was completely by accident,
Speaker 3: and it basically relates to my wife who was born
Speaker 3: with the congenital disease. So this is a genetic disorder
Speaker 3: which which really really got bad about twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: It's getting on for twenty years ago. She reached a
Speaker 3: point where she was more or less unable to eat
Speaker 3: and drink and keep it down, and she was told
Speaker 3: that she was going to need a liver transplant as
Speaker 3: a consequence. The problem was she wasn't considered fit enough
Speaker 3: to have one, and she wasn't going to be fit
Speaker 3: enough to have one because she was really struggling to
Speaker 3: eat and drink. So it was a horrific chicken and
Speaker 3: egg situation, and there was no medical treatment available to us,
Speaker 3: not without a transplant. Transplant was it was the only treatment.
Speaker 3: But unless she could get herself eating and drinking and
Speaker 3: fit enough to have one, there was no way it
Speaker 3: was going to happen. She was born with some of
Speaker 3: the good policistic liver and kidneys, and basically what happened
Speaker 3: was that she had a very very stressful period of
Speaker 3: time at work, and for whatever reason, the cysts in
Speaker 3: the liver and kidneys started to grow at an incredible rate,
Speaker 3: and she ended up with a liver that was absolutely colossful.
Speaker 3: It's only supposed to be a few pounds, about three
Speaker 3: or four pounds. When it was eventually removed, it was
Speaker 3: it was more than three stone. So that and nearly
Speaker 3: all cysts. So and that was why she was struggling
Speaker 3: to eat and drink because it was pressing on you know,
Speaker 3: there was just nowhere for the food to go. So
Speaker 3: that was why I got interested in hypnosis. We were
Speaker 3: completely out of options. They sent her home because there
Speaker 3: was nothing they could do, and you know, she was
Speaker 3: a relatively young woman at the time, and we just
Speaker 3: didn't want it to die. So we started thinking, well, knew,
Speaker 3: what can we do? You know, we certainly weren't just
Speaker 3: going to accept it, and so we started looking around
Speaker 3: at possible ways to deal with it. And one of
Speaker 3: the things that we realized was that she'd been very
Speaker 3: stressed before all this really started to get bad, So
Speaker 3: we thought, you know, would would hypnosis help. I remembered
Speaker 3: reading a book as a child about hypnosis helping with
Speaker 3: certain physical conditions, and we got on the phone and
Speaker 3: started phoning around hypnotherapists. We tried to find somebody that
Speaker 3: that firstly gave us a feeling of confidence and secondly
Speaker 3: that you know, we seemed to have some idea how
Speaker 3: to go about it, because basically what we needed was
Speaker 3: are eating and drinking enough to be able to get
Speaker 3: a bit so that she should have coort at some point.
Speaker 3: How we trans land and we spoke to two kinds
Speaker 3: of people. Some hypnotherapist when well, yeah, bring her in,
Speaker 3: I'll quite happily have a go. But it was obvious
Speaker 3: that we wouldn't want to from the way they were talking,
Speaker 3: and others sounded as though they knew what they were,
Speaker 3: you know, they sounded skilled, but they would say, no,
Speaker 3: that's definitely not for me. So in the end, because
Speaker 3: I was working as a computer analyst and programmer at
Speaker 3: the time, I said, look, I'll make some recordings up.
Speaker 3: So it was off to the library because it was
Speaker 3: all prey and but not you know, we mostly weren't
Speaker 3: using it, will we. So it was off to the
Speaker 3: library to get some books. I made some recordings, suggested
Speaker 3: the kinds of things that we that I thought should
Speaker 3: go into.
Speaker 4: These recordings to get her eating and drinking and hopefully
Speaker 4: get her help her get back on track. Two weeks
Speaker 4: she was eating and drinking all less normally. So she
Speaker 4: was mixing up.
Speaker 3: These these shakes in a big blender with like protein,
Speaker 3: you know, like bodybuilder protein, and bananas and this ghastly
Speaker 3: stuff called forty juice that the doctors were providing, which
Speaker 3: is like a thick sugary syrup type stuff. And she
Speaker 3: eventually became she reached a point where she was considered
Speaker 3: fit enough to have a transplant. And then in when
Speaker 3: was it two thousand and three, early two thousand and three,
Speaker 3: she had the first of what turned out to be
Speaker 3: three transplants. But that was how that was what really
Speaker 3: got me interested in hypnosis. But she has actually been
Speaker 3: terminally ill three times and survived three times, so in
Speaker 3: that regard, she is I think, very very unusual. The
Speaker 3: closest she got was in two thousand and seven when
Speaker 3: she was given three weeks to live. But you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's been quite a ride. But that was what
Speaker 3: really got me interested in hypnosis. So when I was
Speaker 3: I was still working as a computer analyst, but I
Speaker 3: decided I was going to do a hypnosis training course,
Speaker 3: and simply because we knew that it had been useful
Speaker 3: and actually this is this is what to do, and
Speaker 3: that's why I love teaching hypnosis, and it's one of
Speaker 3: the things I've been doing through lockdown because that's you know,
Speaker 3: that remotely and I don't have to worry about these
Speaker 3: issues as disconnections and so, but it was it was
Speaker 3: it was that that really got me interested. And then
Speaker 3: I got I got a bit spinned up with and
Speaker 3: there was a bit of a dispute overpaid. It turned
Speaker 3: out I was right and they ended up having to
Speaker 3: compensate a lot of stuff because of it.
Speaker 2: But it's.
Speaker 3: Things didn't go well from an employer employee relationship perspective,
Speaker 3: and in the end when I went into the stuff
Speaker 3: that I've had enough of this and I became apa
Speaker 3: therapist and that's how I ended up doing this.
Speaker 2: Well. I guess when it comes to your wife, you
Speaker 2: found a way of helping him relax, actually made a
Speaker 2: cope with the problem and make her better naturally, because
Speaker 2: that's what they they say all over the internet. You
Speaker 2: forget about the hypnosis part of it. But if you're
Speaker 2: stressed and you've got a major herd or like a
Speaker 2: cancer diagnosis, and you're stressed, you're going to well, you're
Speaker 2: going to struggle to be as well. I was going
Speaker 2: to say die, you know, going to struggle not to die,
Speaker 2: But I mean, it's going to affect you a lot
Speaker 2: lot more. But if you're calmer, then you're going to
Speaker 2: be able to fight it better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right. And I had a very interesting
Speaker 3: conversation with the hip therapist that I know in America.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I wouldn't get I had a long conversation
Speaker 3: with him because he'd been he'd been diagnosed with bowel
Speaker 3: cancer and it was something that he'd worked on with
Speaker 3: other people. He'd actually found himself in court in America
Speaker 3: charged with practicing medicine without a license because he'd worked
Speaker 3: with somebody had been diagnosed as terminally ill with cancer
Speaker 3: and they got better and they credited him as a
Speaker 3: hypnotherapist for having straightened it out. Unfortunately, it was thrown
Speaker 3: out of court and everything was okay for him. But yeah,
Speaker 3: he got cancer himself. And we had a long conversation
Speaker 3: about it because he'd said that he worked with quite
Speaker 3: a number of people he'd had cancer. Some got better
Speaker 3: and some didn't, and you know, we were debating what
Speaker 3: the possible reasons for that might be. But we were also.
Speaker 7: Talking about how he was going to go by approbe
Speaker 7: shed and one of the things that we both agreed
Speaker 7: on was that you should be watching on off for comedy,
Speaker 7: and certainly certainly when my wife was first still, one
Speaker 7: of the first things we did was watching.
Speaker 3: The eight MD shop in the Metal Center which is
Speaker 3: just as the Newcastle, and we bought what set after
Speaker 3: box set of comedy and we just watched a lot
Speaker 3: of comedy, and I think that is perhaps one of
Speaker 3: the healthiest things that we can do is to laugh.
Speaker 2: Just a quick agreement on that one. I'm laughing because
Speaker 2: it's coincidental. My wife had a traumas when you're young,
Speaker 2: and it was not until about two thousand and ten.
Speaker 2: So we got married in ninety two, two and ten,
Speaker 2: you know, some eighteen years. I think it was because
Speaker 2: we've been married thirteen She said, oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: you know, literally by the way digital I was right
Speaker 2: several times, you know, by different stuff. No, because you
Speaker 2: haven't known me, you know, so it's kind of shark
Speaker 2: And that's when she first started being very unwell mentally
Speaker 2: mental health. And sadly she's still on the drugs today
Speaker 2: because I haven't found a way of getting rid of
Speaker 2: the problems and until now, probably until what you've just
Speaker 2: said today. And if it wasn't sorry, I've lost and yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I've lost it a bit. Then myself hang on, yeah,
Speaker 2: so she so she took a long time to tell me, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've lost the trainer Fortner. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, actually, if I if I could just take it
Speaker 3: off in a different direction, one of the things that
Speaker 3: I had been working on the law. It is chronic
Speaker 3: alcohol problems and those kinds of things are very often
Speaker 3: in people's past. It has really really surprised me just
Speaker 3: how many people seem to have suffered those kinds of things.
Speaker 3: But also, you know, it's sometimes joked about, isn't it
Speaker 3: that we spend the first forty years trying to get
Speaker 3: over the first five?
Speaker 4: You know that.
Speaker 3: It is true that the things that have happened to
Speaker 3: us continue to happen to us in our minds, over
Speaker 3: and over and over again unless something is done about it,
Speaker 3: because it colors your perception of reality. Whether somebody is
Speaker 3: conscious of that or not, it does. So, yeah, it
Speaker 3: doesn't surprise me. But like I said, comedy I think
Speaker 3: is very really important.
Speaker 2: You've just reminded me when she first told us, and
Speaker 2: she had to report it to the pl after eighteen years,
Speaker 2: the policeman policewoman, so he said, look, you've been self harming.
Speaker 2: You know, we've got a long list of problems in
Speaker 2: the AHS to get you treated. You know, because she
Speaker 2: kept it hidden, So while I was hidden, it was
Speaker 2: a great it was a great secret for her. But
Speaker 2: once she told me it wasn't it was it changed
Speaker 2: her personally, her mind, and so we was prescribed comedy films,
Speaker 2: go to Amazon, go to wherever, and laugh your sucks off.
Speaker 2: It may not cure the problem, but it will certainly
Speaker 2: help me deal with it. And it did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. I think it is incredibly good for people.
Speaker 3: So that's what we did. And you know, we've still
Speaker 3: got boxes and boxes and we're still watching it and I
Speaker 3: think it's one of the best things we ever did.
Speaker 3: So if the BBC is listening your box, that's definitely
Speaker 3: worth having.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyway, so yeah, I am the I don't know where
Speaker 3: else to go with that, but yeah, so that was
Speaker 3: that was how I got started. And well, I said,
Speaker 3: the where I am now was not something that I
Speaker 3: ever planned, and it's just the way it turned out.
Speaker 4: Its life has a habit, a peculiar habit.
Speaker 2: Did you say it was a computer programmer or you
Speaker 2: worked in that area of computers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a computer analyst and programmer, and I
Speaker 3: never expected to be doing this kind.
Speaker 2: Of Well, oh you're doing instead of tim doing it
Speaker 2: with machines, you're doing it with people. Now you eat
Speaker 2: programming them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to an extent, you're absolutely right, but there isn't
Speaker 3: another Yes, I was going to say that I would
Speaker 3: love to make sure I get in because I don't
Speaker 3: know when we're going to finish. But it was something
Speaker 3: that occurred to me as as you spoke earlier on.
Speaker 8: And like I said, one of the one of the
Speaker 8: things that I've worked in a lot is chronic alcohol.
Speaker 8: And the people I've worked with have really surprised me,
Speaker 8: because if years ago somebody had said.
Speaker 3: You're going to end up doing that and you'll really
Speaker 3: enjoy it, yeah, I would not have believed them. But
Speaker 3: I've gotten to work with some draguy nice people, but
Speaker 3: there is a huge I think it was you were
Speaker 3: sort of talking about stigma and so forth. One of
Speaker 3: the things that I think is worth saying is that
Speaker 3: if somebody's got a problem like that, it is not
Speaker 3: a lifestyle choice. But very often it's treated as though
Speaker 3: it is, as though somehow this is something that somebody
Speaker 3: has chosen and that if they and that if they
Speaker 3: are they, if they're struggling to stop drinking, that it's
Speaker 3: somehow you know, them being weak or them not bringing
Speaker 3: enough determination to it, and it is just nonsense.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have worked with enough addicts now to know that
Speaker 3: absolutely nobody would choose this with themselves. And the other
Speaker 3: thing is that these are not the people that it
Speaker 3: happens to, are no different from anybody else. They have
Speaker 3: simply been unlucky in terms of the things that life
Speaker 3: has thrown at them. And then because we're all wired
Speaker 3: up in very very similar ways, they've responded in a
Speaker 3: certain way. Typically it's a coping strategy or other things.
Speaker 3: So and it was just something that I thought I
Speaker 3: would really like to say if possible, because you know,
Speaker 3: if anybody is listening and there's a family member who's
Speaker 3: struggling with something like that, it's really it can be
Speaker 3: very difficult to work with and it can be difficult
Speaker 3: to understand, but it definitely isn't a choice. And if
Speaker 3: they're struggling with it, it's not because they're weak. It's
Speaker 3: because they've been unfortunate.
Speaker 2: You know, Addictions, I don't know I've got when it
Speaker 2: comes to addictions. I think, I mean, it's something My
Speaker 2: point of it may not be right, but in fact,
Speaker 2: I want you to tell me off if I'm wrong,
Speaker 2: because I think addictions, if it's overeating, the bliema thing,
Speaker 2: the the alcohol, and I put them things and other
Speaker 2: things like it into one category. You know, but I
Speaker 2: don't know. When it comes to drugs, I'm a little
Speaker 2: bit more. Are you sure you know you didn't go
Speaker 2: from one to the other to the other and then
Speaker 2: you ended up here? And I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I just think because there's a lot of good drug
Speaker 2: addicts that have recovered and they've never done it again.
Speaker 2: But I can understand also the other way round. When
Speaker 2: you an alcoholic and you're not drunk for two years,
Speaker 2: twenty two years, you desire for it like a cream
Speaker 2: cake is still there may not be every day, but
Speaker 2: you look on tell her you go outside and you
Speaker 2: go to the pub and have a coke and everyone
Speaker 2: else is having a whisky or beer. It's yeah, it's
Speaker 2: very hard for addiction people. But I'm just thinking what
Speaker 2: destroys our world, especially in the UK world, is drugs.
Speaker 2: It isn't the way that they can be treated so
Speaker 2: they're more normal or is it a society problem where
Speaker 2: you know, the NHS so the government. I just think
Speaker 2: that they're really bad because they shouldn't have done it,
Speaker 2: and you know, we'll bush them aside, put them in jail.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's well, I think it's both. I think it's both
Speaker 3: and maybe all of those things. Definitely there is a
Speaker 3: societal problem, isn't it. Yeah, the availability and all the
Speaker 3: rest of it. But people don't willingly become addicted to things,
Speaker 3: you know, it's not something that somebody chooses. If you
Speaker 3: have somebody is taking drugs, especially certain types of drugs,
Speaker 3: there's a reason for it. And in my experience of
Speaker 3: working with people who who are struggling with things like that,
Speaker 3: typically what they're really trying to do is either to
Speaker 3: handle difficult feelings. They're using it as an escape. Sometimes
Speaker 3: it can be get an unwitting form of self punishment
Speaker 3: as well. And I've seen those two was over and
Speaker 3: over and over again with people addicted to all sorts
Speaker 3: of different things. But they but like I said, you're
Speaker 3: absolutely right that the attitude, well, you know, these people
Speaker 3: are just naughty and they they've sort of brought it
Speaker 3: upon themselves. It's not helpful, it's never going to solve anything.
Speaker 3: And I think it really is a case of their
Speaker 3: book The Grace of God go by. It's very very
Speaker 3: easy from the outside to say, you know, this is
Speaker 3: something that they've brought on themselves, and to an extent,
Speaker 3: yes it is. But at the same time, there is
Speaker 3: a reason for it. There's always a reason, and that's why.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, I was just going to say, just
Speaker 2: a simple example, if there is a drug addict that's
Speaker 2: very high on drugs and he breaks into shops to
Speaker 2: get money to feed us abbit, maybe only really wants
Speaker 2: you know, a bit like a hungry child goes stealing
Speaker 2: for someone to eat, or they really wanted some help
Speaker 2: and they're not getting the help, so they're gonna do
Speaker 2: worser things to get their satisfaction. So I do understand
Speaker 2: it in one way, but in another way, Yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of crime involved in drugs. I guess drugs
Speaker 2: are hurting others, whereas alcoholism are a few people around
Speaker 2: you but not that many, but the drugs part of
Speaker 2: it is a lot more. That's just my point of view.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think the significant difference between alcohol
Speaker 3: and drugs that alcohol is socially accepted. So and yeah,
Speaker 3: you're Christmas comes around and they're advertising all of the
Speaker 3: various different types of alcohol. It is basically programmed into
Speaker 3: us that this is something which is good for us.
Speaker 3: Relaxing one, it's about being in good company, all the
Speaker 3: rest of it Yeah, it's all programming. If alcohol were
Speaker 3: not such a such a historically accepted part of our lives,
Speaker 3: it would be treated like other things. But it's the
Speaker 3: fact that it's acceptable that one of that is one
Speaker 3: of the things that makes it so dangerous because people
Speaker 3: don't see it coming and they're addicted before they realize.
Speaker 3: And I'd, like I said, I think that's one of
Speaker 3: the real dangers with alcohol, and it's one of the
Speaker 3: things that makes it a little bit different from other things.
Speaker 3: It's this, you know, it is socially acceptable. It's sort
Speaker 3: of expected, you know, if you if you're working in
Speaker 3: an office that if it's a work to do, you're
Speaker 3: all going to go out and have a drink. That's
Speaker 3: you know, that doesn't happen with anything else. But it
Speaker 3: creeps up on people and they it's not until they've
Speaker 3: got a problem that they that they become aware of
Speaker 3: the dangers. Prior to that, they think it's absolutely fine
Speaker 3: and I can do else doing it not a problem,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden they wake up and think, ah,
Speaker 3: I can't stop doing this, and and so it's it's
Speaker 3: a sort of it sneaks up on people. It's it's very,
Speaker 3: very different from all the things.
Speaker 2: Of course, that's the key, telling yourself, whatever the problem
Speaker 2: is that you have one, because until you tell yourself
Speaker 2: you've got a problem, believe it, no one can really
Speaker 2: help you. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, somebody has to at first has to recognize that
Speaker 3: there is a problem. So anyway, so yeah, so it
Speaker 3: was just something I wanted to say because I said,
Speaker 3: often considered to be a lifestyle choice, and it absolutely isn't.
Speaker 2: No, and we all got addictions, some are controllable, some not. Okay,
Speaker 2: then I was just curious the last question then, and
Speaker 2: then we'll do your website and then we'll wrap it
Speaker 2: up the next few minutes. It's been a great show me.
Speaker 2: We could have probably gone on all night. I haven't
Speaker 2: even asked any of the main questions I was going
Speaker 2: to ask. It's just that you asked one question that
Speaker 2: leads to another, and you know, I've only ticked off
Speaker 2: three questions so far. Anyway, now, no way, we can
Speaker 2: do a follow up show maybe in a few weeks
Speaker 2: or something. I'm interested in this fly and Become program,
Speaker 2: you know, the nervous flying program. I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: work out we became the opposite. We we flew properly.
Speaker 2: We've been all over the world, well, Thailand, any Away
Speaker 2: and China, and we've been to Sri Lanka and been
Speaker 2: to America Cabbin, So I suppose we're technically fled all
Speaker 2: over the world, been to Europe loads of times and planes.
Speaker 2: But we were happy flying and then we became the
Speaker 2: nervous flyer after the bad turbulence on the bad land,
Speaker 2: And you know, it's that that is so annoying. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that's worse than being being
Speaker 2: afraid to start with, because if you're afraid and you
Speaker 2: get your confidence up, then I guess I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm probably.
Speaker 3: At least you got all the flying, and burst would
Speaker 3: have been worse the other way around because you wouldn't
Speaker 3: have been all those places. Maybe perhaps perhaps right a
Speaker 3: way to look at it.
Speaker 2: It's how do you I mean, I can understand addictions
Speaker 2: now with hypnotherapy and counsel and all that. I can
Speaker 2: understand that everything we've spoken about. But I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to work out in my mind if somebody is afraid
Speaker 2: of something, how do you curl them? Okay, so until
Speaker 2: they do it, they're going to get the confidence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say flying is a bit
Speaker 3: of an interesting one and that's why there's a separate program.
Speaker 3: And Flying Mac used to be partnered with Thomas Cook
Speaker 3: until Thomas Cook you know, they hit all the financial problems.
Speaker 3: Flying Flying was partnered with Thomas Cook and I think
Speaker 3: it probably will be again because the I think Thomas
Speaker 3: Cooker gonna they've become. I think they're they're back in
Speaker 3: action but online or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not travel agent. Maybe you should partner fly
Speaker 2: me because they're in the North.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I should, but it's it's partnered with Gatwick
Speaker 3: and Manchester Airport and various other places. But the thing
Speaker 3: with flying is it's not just one. You know, you
Speaker 3: can have something like a spider phobia and it's a
Speaker 3: it's a fear of spiders, or you know, if somebody
Speaker 3: has got a fear of needles, it's a needle phobia.
Speaker 3: Flying is very different. Flying can be anxiety about turbulence
Speaker 3: about it could be the takeoffs, it could be the landings.
Speaker 3: It could be being in an enclosed space. It might
Speaker 3: be you know, not being in control. There's all sorts
Speaker 3: of possible fears that can be attached to flying, and
Speaker 3: that's one of the reasons why it's so the fear
Speaker 3: of flying is so common. I think it affects about
Speaker 3: thirty or forty percent of the population. It's a huge
Speaker 3: number of people. And so that's that means that in
Speaker 3: terms of having an effective system, it needs to be table. HM. Basically,
Speaker 3: you know, how do you get rid of a fear? Well,
Speaker 3: a fear is basically it's it's it's an emotion that's
Speaker 3: been attached to something, and that's typically what we do
Speaker 3: with all sorts of things. So it might be there
Speaker 3: may be somebody that you don't like. Every time you
Speaker 3: see them, you feel this like that you know, you've
Speaker 3: attached this feeling to a person. Or it might be
Speaker 3: there's a food that you really don't like and if
Speaker 3: you see it it makes you feel queasy or whatever.
Speaker 3: So one of the things that the subconscious mind is
Speaker 3: doing in the background is attaching feelings to things. Typically
Speaker 3: it's just making fairly straightforward connects connect to another. And
Speaker 3: so when you were talking about the turbulence, initially you
Speaker 3: had lying and relaxation connected in your subconscious mind. So
Speaker 3: that's the way the moral was wired up. Hit turbulence
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, flying becomes connected to turbulence,
Speaker 3: and you know, this is not a nice feeling, and
Speaker 3: that's the way. So that so now there's a new
Speaker 3: connection when you think about the plane. That's what that's
Speaker 3: what your subconsciost automatically connects to severe turbulence. So it
Speaker 3: might be a really bad landing or whatever. And years
Speaker 3: ago we came in to Gatwick and it was very,
Speaker 3: very windy, and just before we hit the tarmac there
Speaker 3: was a huge gust of wind and it was the
Speaker 3: plane was tipped more or less on its side. I
Speaker 3: mean that the wing must have just about such a
Speaker 3: tarmac and there were people screaming on the airplane, and
Speaker 3: some of those people would have got up with a
Speaker 3: fear of flying as a consequence. And that sort of
Speaker 3: illustrates what I was talking about. You know, typical things
Speaker 3: that change the things that happened quite quickly. So essentially
Speaker 3: the way to solve something like that is to is
Speaker 3: to basically press a rewind buton in the brain. And
Speaker 3: so the tools that I created, which Orpheus made available,
Speaker 3: are they you know, they're designed to press that rewind button.
Speaker 3: But if anybody does go anywhere, it will seem strange.
Speaker 3: You know, people sometimes listen to them and think this
Speaker 3: is really really odd, this could never work. But the
Speaker 3: reason it seems odd and the reason it seems strange
Speaker 3: these tools of anybody uses them is because it's not
Speaker 3: designed to it's not designed for conscious communication. It's designed
Speaker 3: to communicate information to the subconscious mind. Because that's why
Speaker 3: you've modeled that. If you wanted to change your anxiety
Speaker 3: about flying consciously, you don't know how to do that,
Speaker 3: but your subconscious mind knows how to do it. That
Speaker 3: you know, it took you from feeling relaxed about it
Speaker 3: to feeling anxious about it.
Speaker 2: I mean what we've kind of then died. It was
Speaker 2: only in the UK Scotland to England, England to Northern
Speaker 2: Ireland and so on, so as only in the UK
Speaker 2: we had these bad turbulences. And then we decided that
Speaker 2: in our own mind anyway, every time we go long
Speaker 2: haul we don't get anything like that. So at the
Speaker 2: moment we've retrained the brain that the further you go,
Speaker 2: the better it will be, or no chance. And also
Speaker 2: don't fly in the winter in Europe, because last November
Speaker 2: we took off from Edinburgh in twenty twenty and a
Speaker 2: bit like you're landing when it banked on its side.
Speaker 2: It banked on its side, don't take off. Its straightened
Speaker 2: off and it banked on its right hand side. Now
Speaker 2: we haven't been on a plane for takeoff since well,
Speaker 2: we're on the way back. We didn't. It was all right,
Speaker 2: but you know, psychologically we're we're still thinking is that
Speaker 2: going to happen next time? But I doubt if it will.
Speaker 2: What you have to do, I think train your mind
Speaker 2: into the good times but other than the bad times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so what you've done there is you've said, right, okay,
Speaker 3: so if I look at it in this way, then
Speaker 3: we're going to be okay and we comply, even if
Speaker 3: it's a bit more limited than you know, flying any
Speaker 3: time of the year. That's a bit like hypnotherapy. So
Speaker 3: what you've done is you've said, right, okay, what suggestions
Speaker 3: can we give ourselves in order to work away around
Speaker 3: this problem or to change the way we feel about it.
Speaker 3: So you've basically done something which is very similar. But
Speaker 3: you saved yourself the money of going to see a hypnotherapist,
Speaker 3: and well done.
Speaker 2: You listen shout out your website and and I want
Speaker 2: to thank you very much. It's been very interesting and
Speaker 2: it's not a subject I thought i'd have fun with,
Speaker 2: but I've absolutely had fun. And I hope everybody listening more,
Speaker 2: you know, call you, email you, or go to your
Speaker 2: website and get some inspiration.
Speaker 3: Well in the COVID that's really I really appreciate that,
Speaker 3: and I've enjoyed myself as well, and I really appreciate
Speaker 3: being invited on. Probably the most useful web address is
Speaker 3: orpheousmind Technologies dot com because the tools that I was
Speaker 3: talking about there that neuro scientists looked at, they're available there,
Speaker 3: and there's tools for all sorts of different things and
Speaker 3: flying becalms available through there as well. My personal therapy
Speaker 3: website is Britain's fastest hypnotist dot com. But like I said,
Speaker 3: at the moment, I'm what I'm I'm working in different
Speaker 3: ways because realistically it's not a good idea to use
Speaker 3: hypnosis over Skype and so forth. So I am working
Speaker 3: with people in order to solve serious problems. Well I'm
Speaker 3: doing it in a slower way. As we get past COVID,
Speaker 3: things will be a bit different. Well, even if somebody
Speaker 3: doesn't want to come and see me because, as hypnotherapists go,
Speaker 3: I am quite expensive. There might be there is something
Speaker 3: on that website that is probably worth listening to, and
Speaker 3: that's right at the top of my homepage. I've got
Speaker 3: a free recording that anybody can play you just you know,
Speaker 3: you just literally click play. It's about fifteen or twenty minutes,
Speaker 3: and it tells you how to assess a hypnotherapist in
Speaker 3: order to see whether they are likely to be worth
Speaker 3: seeing or whether they're wants to avoid. So I've basically
Speaker 3: listed the sort of red flags, the things to watch
Speaker 3: out for because and it's worth knowing because hypnotherapy is
Speaker 3: it's a profession where there is no sort of uni
Speaker 3: uni uniform standard either in training or in qualifications. And
Speaker 3: some people are much better at it than others. And
Speaker 3: there are some you know, there are some people involved
Speaker 3: in hypnotherapy that absolutely shouldn't be you know, it could
Speaker 3: be through lack of training or for all sorts of
Speaker 3: other things. But if somebody wants to see a local hypnotherapist,
Speaker 3: who is probably going to be the best way that
Speaker 3: free audio tells you what to watch out for. It's
Speaker 3: like you know, if they're doing this, then you might
Speaker 3: want to consider somebody else.
Speaker 2: If I was listening to that now, I'd say, well,
Speaker 2: that's proved to me that it's given me the option
Speaker 2: to go somewhere else if I need to. He's warning
Speaker 2: me of the problems. But you know why I'm wasting
Speaker 2: my time. I'll just go to him. It's expensive, but
Speaker 2: I'll go there because you're you're helping them by giving
Speaker 2: them a video of choice.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, the thing is, I think it's always best
Speaker 3: to be streat with people. You know that it's important
Speaker 3: to treat people the way you would want to be
Speaker 3: treated yourself, and to be honest, I prefer if somebody
Speaker 3: goes elsewhere because I get a lot of email anyway,
Speaker 3: and at the moment because of COVID things that trying
Speaker 3: to solve problems under these circumstances with hypnosis over Skype
Speaker 3: would be a bit like doing trying to do it
Speaker 3: with one hand, time, behind, back, back. So I'm working
Speaker 3: with people in different ways. But there are hypnotherapists who've
Speaker 3: still got offices open, who I certainly will do when
Speaker 3: all the restrictions are lifted, who are very very good,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not the only decent hypno therapist in
Speaker 3: the UK by any means. There are some brilliant ones
Speaker 3: and if people follow that advice that they should be
Speaker 3: able to find somebody who's really good, who's you know,
Speaker 3: not far away from the doorstep.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's been bulliant talking to you, Tim. I'll send
Speaker 2: you a copy of the show and if you want
Speaker 2: to put that of a website in the scape so
Speaker 2: I can add it to the show for the tools,
Speaker 2: because I haven't got that one that would be interesting
Speaker 2: for them. Okay, I'll be happy and you take care
Speaker 2: of a good evening.
Speaker 3: Yeah you too.
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