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<v Speaker 1>Fire Command Team at the Palli States Fire. Hey, guys

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<v Speaker 1>and see, so this is I. I was asked if

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<v Speaker 1>we could bring some more starlings here.

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<v Speaker 2>So We've brought some more stillings here, and I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>here with the team and they're going to provide a

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<v Speaker 2>briefing of the Palisads fire.

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<v Speaker 1>So please go ahead. All right, Well, good evening. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Christian Litz.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm with La County Fire, cooperating with a partnership with

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<v Speaker 3>cal Fire Team two, and I'm operating.

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<v Speaker 1>Section chief on this Pali States fire.

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<v Speaker 3>So Palisads fire, I'll just go We've been here since

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of the fire on Tuesday. We were looking

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<v Speaker 3>at extreme damaging winds, erratic fire behavior coming through and

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<v Speaker 3>blowing in from about midway on this map and blowing

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<v Speaker 3>all the way down to the coastline there.

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<v Speaker 1>When did that? So when's that starts?

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<v Speaker 2>Just to frame of the thing for people, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I assume people like it's like great to get the

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<v Speaker 2>story from Like basically it's like a straight shooter, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>and and like you know, uh and so like how

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<v Speaker 2>did it start?

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, you know, and and then maybe after how

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<v Speaker 1>did it start?

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<v Speaker 2>Then like what are some of the things that can

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<v Speaker 2>be done to prevent it in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>But but how did it start out? Like, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>what's the story? So honestly, we don't know yet. It's

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<v Speaker 1>still an investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know how it started, okay, but because of

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<v Speaker 3>the wind honestly just allowed it to outpace anything possible.

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<v Speaker 1>The winds are so strong.

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<v Speaker 3>Air resources which we use to keep it small ineffective, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So it blew at.

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<v Speaker 1>Record break It grew at record breaking pace.

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<v Speaker 3>Research put themselves probably in a bigger danger that they've

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<v Speaker 3>ever done, saved as many structures. But you can see

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<v Speaker 3>it started about here with the wind and pushed it

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<v Speaker 3>straight through the palisades, and it allowed it to grow lowry.

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<v Speaker 3>As the wind slowed down, it allowed it to grow

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<v Speaker 3>back go back the other way. But now the wind

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<v Speaker 3>came back out of the north and blew down again.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have several wins. Shift resources are all around

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<v Speaker 3>trying to.

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<v Speaker 1>Both structure defence, which is down along the coast where

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<v Speaker 1>the structor is more heavy.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have communities all along the top that we've

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<v Speaker 3>just been working as hard as we can from beginning

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<v Speaker 3>to now without any stop, any rest resources working thirty

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<v Speaker 3>six forty eight hours at times just because of the

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<v Speaker 3>need of the of what we had to do. Right now,

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<v Speaker 3>the fire is looking good. We still have heat all

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<v Speaker 3>around the prim we still have resources all over and

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<v Speaker 3>try to secure those ages, edges, make sure that there

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<v Speaker 3>is limited the potential for any kind of growth.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're still out there, but the activity.

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<v Speaker 3>Is way down and then with these winds over the

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<v Speaker 3>next couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, this fire we have to watch it and give

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<v Speaker 1>you it.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's going to blow down at least most of

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<v Speaker 3>it into its own self. But any new fire it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to do the same thing. We have the winds

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to push it. It's not as strong as

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<v Speaker 3>it was on Tuesday, but there is still going to

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<v Speaker 3>be movements. So we're ste keeping all the resources available

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<v Speaker 3>and we're ready to actually not only respond to where

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<v Speaker 3>the fire is now any new fires that start we're

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<v Speaker 3>able to respond and help.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so is so fires are currently under control.

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<v Speaker 3>This fire, we're not calling it control, but there is

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<v Speaker 3>lying around almost all of it, okay much almost all

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<v Speaker 3>of it, but resources we're still working. So about the

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<v Speaker 3>excitement is about ten percent of the fire where the

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<v Speaker 3>things are there, but ninety percent of the work is

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<v Speaker 3>done after those planes are gone, and we have to

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<v Speaker 3>secure the as esse you ever watch a campfire where

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<v Speaker 3>the wind comes in and it's out, then the wind

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<v Speaker 3>comes in it blows embers.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, same thing can happen.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to keep pushing and pushing and pushing deeper

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<v Speaker 3>and deeper and stay around all these homes and Montanito

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<v Speaker 3>firm wood.

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<v Speaker 1>All the way up.

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<v Speaker 2>When you when you like full the barriers to self

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<v Speaker 2>the fire going is do you just you clear the

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<v Speaker 2>brush and and the trees, and like what what actions

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<v Speaker 2>do you take around the perimeter that So.

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<v Speaker 3>Along the premer we call it cutting line, we use those,

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<v Speaker 3>but really what we're doing is taking everything out down

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<v Speaker 3>to bare minimals flop so there will be a path

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<v Speaker 3>of dirt from where the line is exactly building a

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<v Speaker 3>fire break along the edge of the black so there's

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<v Speaker 3>nothing left to burn. So the only danger at that

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<v Speaker 3>point was if the wind blows a number over that line.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have to build it appropriately big enough to

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<v Speaker 3>secure that to stop that from happening, and then push

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<v Speaker 3>it into the block to take all the heat away.

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<v Speaker 1>So it gives us a bigger buffer as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>How big is a firebreak needs to be. It depends

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<v Speaker 1>on the side of the fuel.

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<v Speaker 3>If you look at the textbook size of the fuel, it's

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<v Speaker 3>anything that we see and it's different for terrain size

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<v Speaker 3>of fuel everything like that. Usually it's a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>times one and a half times the size of the fuel.

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<v Speaker 1>But we have fuel in the pang Canyon area, the

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<v Speaker 1>Palace area. There hasn't been fire there in sixty years.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're, wow, fifteen very quite a rare fire, correct,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's a half century fired?

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<v Speaker 3>Is something absolutely the last major fires that have really

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<v Speaker 3>pushed through to Pangas ninety three, ninety six, But there

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<v Speaker 3>is there's part of these hillsides that there hasn't been

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<v Speaker 3>recorded fire in sixty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, wow, all right? And other things that like would.

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<v Speaker 2>Be like like I think what a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>have careous about is like what things can be done

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<v Speaker 2>in the future to ensure that houses are less susceptible

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<v Speaker 2>to burning down. I mean it's like like like as

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<v Speaker 2>we rebuild for the future, because it's like there's one

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<v Speaker 2>thing about like past recriminations and all that, but like

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<v Speaker 2>we can't go we can't rewind the clock. But what

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<v Speaker 2>we can do is say, like, in the future, what

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<v Speaker 2>what should we do to minimize the probability that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people's homes and businesses will burn down?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, great question, and that's that's really what we want.

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<v Speaker 3>So history as fire, as fire prevention gets better, we

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<v Speaker 3>we do better at safety structures. So when you look

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<v Speaker 3>at the La County webs site, LA City has references

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<v Speaker 3>out there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>We call it. You always hear the term defensible space.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the biggest thing to save structures, so and

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<v Speaker 1>hardening your home.

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<v Speaker 3>So defensible space will start there that is basically clear

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<v Speaker 3>and brush as low as possible to about one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>feet is well our minimum standards.

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<v Speaker 1>Say one hundred feet away.

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<v Speaker 2>You can you.

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<v Speaker 3>Start at tempting, but you limit it out about one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred feet is the best, okay. So then when it

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<v Speaker 3>hits there, you're basically building that hundred foot buffer of

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<v Speaker 3>fuel breaks around your home.

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<v Speaker 2>So like no kindling for a hundred feet, correct, that

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<v Speaker 2>sounds that sounds pretty sensible.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, And then you hardening your home we call

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<v Speaker 3>hardness is don't stack firewood right right?

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<v Speaker 1>Firewood really a big.

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<v Speaker 3>Part of when we lose structures on a typical maybe

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<v Speaker 3>not one hundred mile winds, but a typical Is there

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<v Speaker 3>something by the house fire yep, wood furniture, something like that,

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<v Speaker 3>and it could burnt up and gets into the attic

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<v Speaker 3>and then we lose the house. Or it gets in

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<v Speaker 3>the porch system. Right, you might have a wood deck

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<v Speaker 3>and it goes out and it just allows the flame

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<v Speaker 3>to go into the house. So a lot of times

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<v Speaker 3>we talked about our ember cast that gets.

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<v Speaker 1>In the embers.

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<v Speaker 3>So you put screens around every opening, so you have

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<v Speaker 3>vents on your house, put screens, very small screens so

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<v Speaker 3>the air can get through there, but embers good sized

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<v Speaker 3>members that will actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Catch house, yeah, get in there. Okay, So there's stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Move everything break from your house, say, and the vegetation

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<v Speaker 3>in this area is astonishing beautiful and we understand.

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<v Speaker 2>That, but well, yeah, everything you have to do for

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I haven't like some things, like some of

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<v Speaker 2>the issues with firebreaks were like there's like some endangered

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<v Speaker 2>like plant or something, and then we can't do a firebreak.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's an issue, like like like is there stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that would be helpful from a regulatory reform standpoint that

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<v Speaker 2>would help with fire prevention in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, La County. I mean we do have standards we

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<v Speaker 3>got in certain areas. We actually have these lists of

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<v Speaker 3>residences like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is what we have to get in. Okay. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's just an awareness.

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<v Speaker 3>So when people good and bad about the bad thing,

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<v Speaker 3>is this happened the good thing, Maybe it'll bring a

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<v Speaker 3>greater awareness that there is a way to help defend

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<v Speaker 1>There is a way to help this from stop happening

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<v Speaker 1>in the future. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh and that defensible space, building that and building.

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<v Speaker 1>Those that's that's the way to do it. As far

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<v Speaker 1>as uh, well, I guess things.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess people are like obviously, we definitely want to

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<v Speaker 2>give people a sense of hope for the future and

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<v Speaker 2>if the things get rebuilt that their house is.

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<v Speaker 1>Not going to go down again. It's like a reasonable thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's so it's like like if there are things

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<v Speaker 2>that should we should push for from a regulatory or

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<v Speaker 2>fall standpoint, this would be good to know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and and uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, clearance space, okay, building building material right, we could

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<v Speaker 3>we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Now these are newer things.

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<v Speaker 3>So now the up to the standards of building construction

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<v Speaker 3>codes have been brought and have changed over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe when their house was built, they weren't there.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we have new the new codes, there's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be certain fire return material There's gonna be certain things

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<v Speaker 3>that they can do. If you look a lot concrete

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<v Speaker 3>buildings don't burn. So there's some of these people that

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<v Speaker 3>have built their concrete in the middle and it's right

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<v Speaker 3>on the middle of the black all around and nothing

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<v Speaker 3>was done, but they didn't burn because of the building material.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't built you can't burn concrete, correct, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>flat and return materials, the ceiling concrete is gonna be okay, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but great things.

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<v Speaker 3>They have other materials out there now that will definitely help.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what I think people just like I'm not hopeful

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<v Speaker 2>that this video can be like helpful to people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like what what should people do differently, Like if it's

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<v Speaker 2>a steeling concrete, you say, there's some new materials like

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<v Speaker 2>like like synthetic materials or what there's stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That they put into the materials to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be able to help my partner over here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyways, they just wanted to kind of point something out.

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<v Speaker 3>Back in nineteen sixty two, we had a fire. It

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<v Speaker 3>was called the bel air fire that burned from this

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<v Speaker 3>area to be kind of the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Burn pattern, Okay, and then after that fire.

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<v Speaker 3>That's when they basically the city of hands they out

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<v Speaker 1>So people outlined, Yeah, I mean, that's what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm exactly partners saying. There's a roof made

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<v Speaker 3>Right, so we update the abilities the fire sanders a

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<v Speaker 3>fire mentioned standard. Sure, and then then that's up to

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<v Speaker 3>actually could be potentially more fire safety.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, you know, and maybe the silver lying around the

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<v Speaker 1>gray cloud is that that happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe we'll live in a safer fire zone or an

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<v Speaker 3>area where there's prone to fires, safer type of structures.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of what we're hoping to come out of this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as that's maybe one of the very small

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<v Speaker 1>but good things. All right, sounds good.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, do you have any any guidance for

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<v Speaker 2>for people like if there's like obviously steel and concrete

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<v Speaker 2>and are not going to burn, but like the other

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<v Speaker 2>the new synthetics that you think would read better than

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<v Speaker 2>like or besides steeling concrete.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything else?

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, I really am not an export or

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<v Speaker 2>stones that actually, okay, it's pretty hard to.

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<v Speaker 1>Boon stone steal and concrete. That there's some stuff out there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're about putting it out.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think that there some some people will

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, there's certainly some stuff out there. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>sounds good? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone? So all right? What about what about water availability?

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<v Speaker 2>It was water availability. I understand that was like not

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<v Speaker 2>an issue in Malbury?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 3>Water?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there was water. We have several reservoirs that

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<v Speaker 3>Now just an example, if we have one building burning,

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<v Speaker 1>With the hose legs that we put in the stopping you.

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<v Speaker 3>Can imagine one thousand gallons per house we can do. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 3>the amount of water we're flowing, there really is no

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<v Speaker 3>water system that's going to keep that pace. So we

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<v Speaker 3>tank water tanks that you know, twenty five hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>three thousand gallon trucks, and they'll come in. That's what

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<v Speaker 3>we have to do to over to compensate, so they

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<v Speaker 3>park out there to do it. DWTP did a great job.

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<v Speaker 3>They brought in big water trucks for us, right and

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<v Speaker 3>we use them as basically mobile hydrants, all right, Right,

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<v Speaker 3>and then we have our own agency as well that

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<v Speaker 3>has water tenors.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I am I saying?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that that like along the maybe correct if I'm wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>Along in Malaboya along the coast, there was no shortage

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<v Speaker 2>of water in the Palistage. There was a shortage of

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<v Speaker 2>water at a certain point or is that not?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we were just we were flowing just an amount

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<v Speaker 3>of amount of water that the system couldn't overbre veried

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<v Speaker 3>just because of how much water these firefighters were utilizing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, that was good, all right, thanks guys,