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Speaker 1: Fire Command Team at the Palli States Fire. Hey, guys

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and see, so this is I. I was asked if

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we could bring some more starlings here.

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Speaker 2: So We've brought some more stillings here, and I'm just

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here with the team and they're going to provide a

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briefing of the Palisads fire.

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Speaker 1: So please go ahead. All right, Well, good evening. My

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name is Christian Litz.

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Speaker 3: I'm with La County Fire, cooperating with a partnership with

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cal Fire Team two, and I'm operating.

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Speaker 1: Section chief on this Pali States fire.

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Speaker 3: So Palisads fire, I'll just go We've been here since

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the beginning of the fire on Tuesday. We were looking

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at extreme damaging winds, erratic fire behavior coming through and

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blowing in from about midway on this map and blowing

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all the way down to the coastline there.

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Speaker 1: When did that? So when's that starts?

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Speaker 2: Just to frame of the thing for people, like I said,

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I assume people like it's like great to get the

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story from Like basically it's like a straight shooter, yep,

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and and like you know, uh and so like how

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did it start?

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, and and then maybe after how

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did it start?

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Speaker 2: Then like what are some of the things that can

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be done to prevent it in the future.

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Speaker 1: But but how did it start out? Like, what's the

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what's the story? So honestly, we don't know yet. It's

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still an investigation.

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Speaker 3: We don't know how it started, okay, but because of

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the wind honestly just allowed it to outpace anything possible.

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Speaker 1: The winds are so strong.

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Speaker 3: Air resources which we use to keep it small ineffective, okay,

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So it blew at.

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Speaker 1: Record break It grew at record breaking pace.

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Speaker 3: Research put themselves probably in a bigger danger that they've

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ever done, saved as many structures. But you can see

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it started about here with the wind and pushed it

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straight through the palisades, and it allowed it to grow lowry.

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As the wind slowed down, it allowed it to grow

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back go back the other way. But now the wind

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came back out of the north and blew down again.

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So we have several wins. Shift resources are all around

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trying to.

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Speaker 1: Both structure defence, which is down along the coast where

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the structor is more heavy.

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Speaker 3: Do you have communities all along the top that we've

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just been working as hard as we can from beginning

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to now without any stop, any rest resources working thirty

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six forty eight hours at times just because of the

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need of the of what we had to do. Right now,

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the fire is looking good. We still have heat all

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around the prim we still have resources all over and

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try to secure those ages, edges, make sure that there

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is limited the potential for any kind of growth.

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Speaker 1: So we're still out there, but the activity.

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Speaker 3: Is way down and then with these winds over the

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next couple of days.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, this fire we have to watch it and give

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you it.

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Speaker 3: But it's going to blow down at least most of

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it into its own self. But any new fire it's

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going to do the same thing. We have the winds

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that's going to push it. It's not as strong as

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it was on Tuesday, but there is still going to

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be movements. So we're ste keeping all the resources available

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and we're ready to actually not only respond to where

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the fire is now any new fires that start we're

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able to respond and help.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so is so fires are currently under control.

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Speaker 3: This fire, we're not calling it control, but there is

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lying around almost all of it, okay much almost all

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of it, but resources we're still working. So about the

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excitement is about ten percent of the fire where the

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things are there, but ninety percent of the work is

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done after those planes are gone, and we have to

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secure the as esse you ever watch a campfire where

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the wind comes in and it's out, then the wind

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comes in it blows embers.

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Speaker 1: Sure, same thing can happen.

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Speaker 3: We have to keep pushing and pushing and pushing deeper

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and deeper and stay around all these homes and Montanito

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firm wood.

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Speaker 1: All the way up.

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Speaker 2: When you when you like full the barriers to self

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the fire going is do you just you clear the

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brush and and the trees, and like what what actions

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do you take around the perimeter that So.

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Speaker 3: Along the premer we call it cutting line, we use those,

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but really what we're doing is taking everything out down

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to bare minimals flop so there will be a path

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of dirt from where the line is exactly building a

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fire break along the edge of the black so there's

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nothing left to burn. So the only danger at that

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point was if the wind blows a number over that line.

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So we have to build it appropriately big enough to

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secure that to stop that from happening, and then push

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it into the block to take all the heat away.

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Speaker 1: So it gives us a bigger buffer as much as possible.

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How big is a firebreak needs to be. It depends

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on the side of the fuel.

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Speaker 3: If you look at the textbook size of the fuel, it's

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anything that we see and it's different for terrain size

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of fuel everything like that. Usually it's a couple of

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times one and a half times the size of the fuel.

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Speaker 1: But we have fuel in the pang Canyon area, the

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Palace area. There hasn't been fire there in sixty years.

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Speaker 2: So you're, wow, fifteen very quite a rare fire, correct,

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Like it's a half century fired?

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Speaker 3: Is something absolutely the last major fires that have really

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pushed through to Pangas ninety three, ninety six, But there

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is there's part of these hillsides that there hasn't been

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recorded fire in sixty years.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wow, all right? And other things that like would.

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Speaker 2: Be like like I think what a lot of people

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have careous about is like what things can be done

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in the future to ensure that houses are less susceptible

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to burning down. I mean it's like like like as

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we rebuild for the future, because it's like there's one

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thing about like past recriminations and all that, but like

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we can't go we can't rewind the clock. But what

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we can do is say, like, in the future, what

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what should we do to minimize the probability that you know,

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people's homes and businesses will burn down?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great question, and that's that's really what we want.

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Speaker 3: So history as fire, as fire prevention gets better, we

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we do better at safety structures. So when you look

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at the La County webs site, LA City has references

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out there as well.

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Speaker 1: We call it. You always hear the term defensible space.

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That is the biggest thing to save structures, so and

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hardening your home.

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Speaker 3: So defensible space will start there that is basically clear

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and brush as low as possible to about one hundred

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feet is well our minimum standards.

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Speaker 1: Say one hundred feet away.

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Speaker 2: You can you.

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Speaker 3: Start at tempting, but you limit it out about one

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hundred feet is the best, okay. So then when it

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hits there, you're basically building that hundred foot buffer of

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fuel breaks around your home.

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Speaker 2: So like no kindling for a hundred feet, correct, that

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sounds that sounds pretty sensible.

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Speaker 3: It is, And then you hardening your home we call

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hardness is don't stack firewood right right?

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Speaker 1: Firewood really a big.

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Speaker 3: Part of when we lose structures on a typical maybe

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not one hundred mile winds, but a typical Is there

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something by the house fire yep, wood furniture, something like that,

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and it could burnt up and gets into the attic

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and then we lose the house. Or it gets in

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the porch system. Right, you might have a wood deck

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and it goes out and it just allows the flame

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to go into the house. So a lot of times

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we talked about our ember cast that gets.

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Speaker 1: In the embers.

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Speaker 3: So you put screens around every opening, so you have

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vents on your house, put screens, very small screens so

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the air can get through there, but embers good sized

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members that will actually.

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Speaker 1: Catch house, yeah, get in there. Okay, So there's stuff

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like that.

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Speaker 3: Move everything break from your house, say, and the vegetation

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in this area is astonishing beautiful and we understand.

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Speaker 2: That, but well, yeah, everything you have to do for

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I mean, I haven't like some things, like some of

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the issues with firebreaks were like there's like some endangered

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like plant or something, and then we can't do a firebreak.

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Well that's an issue, like like like is there stuff

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that would be helpful from a regulatory reform standpoint that

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would help with fire prevention in the future.

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Speaker 3: Well, La County. I mean we do have standards we

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got in certain areas. We actually have these lists of

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residences like this.

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Speaker 1: Is what we have to get in. Okay. I think

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it's just an awareness.

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Speaker 3: So when people good and bad about the bad thing,

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is this happened the good thing, Maybe it'll bring a

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greater awareness that there is a way to help defend

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your homes.

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Speaker 1: There is a way to help this from stop happening

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in the future. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Uh and that defensible space, building that and building.

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Speaker 1: Those that's that's the way to do it. As far

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as uh, well, I guess things.

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Speaker 2: I guess people are like obviously, we definitely want to

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give people a sense of hope for the future and

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if the things get rebuilt that their house is.

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Speaker 1: Not going to go down again. It's like a reasonable thing.

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Speaker 2: So it's so it's like like if there are things

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that should we should push for from a regulatory or

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fall standpoint, this would be good to know, you know,

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and and uh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, clearance space, okay, building building material right, we could

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Speaker 1: Now these are newer things.

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Speaker 3: So now the up to the standards of building construction

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codes have been brought and have changed over the years.

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Speaker 1: So maybe when their house was built, they weren't there.

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Speaker 3: Now we have new the new codes, there's going to

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be certain fire return material There's gonna be certain things

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that they can do. If you look a lot concrete

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buildings don't burn. So there's some of these people that

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have built their concrete in the middle and it's right

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on the middle of the black all around and nothing

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was done, but they didn't burn because of the building material.

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Speaker 1: You can't built you can't burn concrete, correct, So yeah,

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flat and return materials, the ceiling concrete is gonna be okay, yes,

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but great things.

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Speaker 3: They have other materials out there now that will definitely help.

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Speaker 2: Like what I think people just like I'm not hopeful

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that this video can be like helpful to people, you know,

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like what what should people do differently, Like if it's

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a steeling concrete, you say, there's some new materials like

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like like synthetic materials or what there's stuff.

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Speaker 1: That they put into the materials to.

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Speaker 3: Be able to help my partner over here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, they just wanted to kind of point something out.

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Back in nineteen sixty two, we had a fire. It

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was called the bel air fire that burned from this

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area to be kind of the same.

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Speaker 1: Burn pattern, Okay, and then after that fire.

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Speaker 3: That's when they basically the city of hands they out

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lot would shape groups.

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Speaker 1: So people outlined, Yeah, I mean, that's what I mean,

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that's what I'm exactly partners saying. There's a roof made

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of kindling.

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Speaker 3: Right, so we update the abilities the fire sanders a

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fire mentioned standard. Sure, and then then that's up to

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you and the people out there that are a little

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more into the architecture and to find some something that

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actually could be potentially more fire safety.

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Speaker 1: Sure, you know, and maybe the silver lying around the

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gray cloud is that that happen.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll live in a safer fire zone or an

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area where there's prone to fires, safer type of structures.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of what we're hoping to come out of this,

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you know, as that's maybe one of the very small

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but good things. All right, sounds good.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, do you have any any guidance for

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for people like if there's like obviously steel and concrete

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and are not going to burn, but like the other

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the new synthetics that you think would read better than

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like or besides steeling concrete.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything else?

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Speaker 2: I you know, I really am not an export or

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stones that actually, okay, it's pretty hard to.

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Speaker 1: Boon stone steal and concrete. That there's some stuff out there. Yeah,

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we're about putting it out.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that there some some people will

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come together and find something.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, there's certainly some stuff out there. All right,

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sounds good? All right?

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Speaker 2: Everyone? So all right? What about what about water availability?

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It was water availability. I understand that was like not

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an issue in Malbury?

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: Water?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was water. We have several reservoirs that

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and knows that we use a lot.

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Speaker 3: Now just an example, if we have one building burning,

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we could flow a thousand gallons a minute on that

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one building.

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Speaker 1: With the hose legs that we put in the stopping you.

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Speaker 3: Can imagine one thousand gallons per house we can do. Right, So,

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the amount of water we're flowing, there really is no

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water system that's going to keep that pace. So we

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have to bring in water tenders, which are these big

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tank water tanks that you know, twenty five hundred and

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three thousand gallon trucks, and they'll come in. That's what

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we have to do to over to compensate, so they

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park out there to do it. DWTP did a great job.

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They brought in big water trucks for us, right and

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we use them as basically mobile hydrants, all right, Right,

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and then we have our own agency as well that

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has water tenors.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I am I saying?

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Speaker 2: Is that that like along the maybe correct if I'm wrong?

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Along in Malaboya along the coast, there was no shortage

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of water in the Palistage. There was a shortage of

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water at a certain point or is that not?

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Speaker 3: Well, we were just we were flowing just an amount

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of amount of water that the system couldn't overbre veried

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just because of how much water these firefighters were utilizing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that was good, all right, thanks guys,