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Speaker 1: Using opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch Experience do

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not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors, or

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affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion is advised.

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We got some one or something.

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Speaker 2: Crawling around out your by.

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Speaker 1: What it was?

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Speaker 3: Was it a person or an animal?

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Speaker 2: Or I can't go. I know that my underway came

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on and I did happened to glim be this big

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running across the.

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Speaker 1: Yard, A goodbye man or a company.

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Speaker 4: Worked by a man?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 3: Back in two thousand and five, we set out with

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one goal to give voice to the mystery and those

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who pursue it. Sasquatch Experience Podcast has been your go

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to source for serious Bigfoot discussion, where we separate fact

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from folklore. Always grounded in research and respect. We've interviewed eyewitnesses,

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experts since Keptic to like because understanding Bigfoot isn't just

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about belief, It's about the journey. Nearly two decades later,

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we're still chasing shadows and sharing stories. The search never stopped.

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Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience.

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Speaker 4: Hello, hit somebody out.

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Speaker 2: Here, Well, guys, it never gets old that they never

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It's nice to hear it again, everybody. Welcome back Sasquatch experience.

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I'm sewn the fork Chap Forker. That's Matt Arner. That's

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Henry May who's snuck in during the intro and you

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can't see him, but he's down there. The bit here,

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the vans nae a bit, James Baker out tonight with

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a sick dog, and guys, I tell you what, it's

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great to be back with you. It's it's a lot

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has happened. And I think we all, especially me, life

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break and it was time to take one, and we

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did and now we're back. As you can see, I'm

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not at the studio tonight. I'm at Costad at Forker.

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My home is your home this evening in the lovely

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rose COURTZ dining room, appropriately by my wife.

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Speaker 1: And I mean the black abyss. Apparently I don't know

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why video doesn't come through, but you know what, for

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a podcast, who carers?

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Speaker 2: That's right. Most of you listened to this anyhow, you're

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going to watch it, and if you are watching, well

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sorry sucks to be your eyes editow we do need

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to get some nice eye candy for this program, although

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Speaker 1: I could do that, but you don't have me on camera,

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Speaker 2: Only two of our panelists are eligible Baxlers Lady and

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Gym and unfortunately yours truly the Anson one is taken.

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Matt has also taken, and Baker is spoken for. Sorry, ladies,

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I know that one's got you down on the dumbs.

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But Henry is as as Baker always says, always looking

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to find a fifth.

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Speaker 1: And then there's Vans Yep, there's Vance yep, Dingle.

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Speaker 2: Ready to mingle and you can catch him on swatchesonly

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dot com. But great to be here. We have our

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good friends in the chat Scott Deetererley, who has been

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kind things about Scott, A real rock and a friend.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir Scott, thank you, Scott.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate I really appreciate your kindness, your words,

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late night chats and putting up with my just overall shenanigans.

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to thought and process to the show. So from me

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Scott, who really does contribute quite a bit behind

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a moment and just direct everybody to a Bigfoot society.

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Our friend Jeremiah Byron really going through a rough time

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can help, please do so, yea, Robbie, this isn't you know,

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thoughts and prayers, all that stuff, yep, makes a difference.

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Speaker 2: Well, and it does. We're wanderings, folks, Yes it does.

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not the fourth of July, the week after. Myself and

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Speaker 5: It or not, but I can't. Yeah, I'm get me

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anything about some here weather on TV, that's awesome, Greg

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Speaker 2: Yep, dan Is stan Is the literal man. Matt, you

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Speaker 5: Yes, July eighteenth at Thunderhead Lodge in Entries, Pennsylvania. It's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely so.

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Speaker 1: Well, if anybody has an experience visiting Matt, we'd certainly

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fact of you can share whatever weird experience you may

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have had, and we're all for it.

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howls at night, that that weren't coyotes, hearing whoops, hearing screams.

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check back in with everybody again, guys, we've been on

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a break. Matt has been the only one that's kind

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of really been engaging in Bigfoot and Henry, but I've

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been out so I'm trying to catch up and see

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what the hell has been going on. Yeah, likewise exciting

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to a crash course, it's been very interesting. So Matt

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was like the whole and uh Tom, I can't think

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of his last name. Great guy and you know what

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you know, really uh just a great lineup for Pennsylvania.

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Eric had the Prince Uh, that he got in twenty

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five there, and that was the big draw once I started,

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you know, once I got the information on it, I

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was able to both Mike and I were able to

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kind of d jump in and uh and one thing

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was like, I'm proud of you guys. He was like,

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it's nice to see the you know, to see you

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know how we kind of came through from you know,

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just guys that really you know, we're just learning about

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this to you know, being able to go out and

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you know, explainlin take reports. So hearing that from Eric

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was was awesome. Uh, Stan gordonell and this comes back

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to to Eric, and we got to give Eric credit

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for this. He said, we need t shirts that say

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just blame stand so play stand for everything, bigotos everything,

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you know. So uh so we do need to we

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do need to get a Stan Gordon shirt going that

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Speaker 1: The fact that Stan has been involved in this, yes

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for for what over fifty years, Yes, yes, before any

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of this was even a social media phenomena, He's been

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involved in this. So yeah, Stan, Oh he's the golden

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child of all of this.

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Speaker 5: Oh my God.

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so grateful that we had Stan in that particular area

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with us and uh and it was just, like I said,

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just a fantastic uh uh you know table that that

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we all put together. As you know, I did this

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with the first UH festival that Gwen had. I bought

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like two hundred of these little compases for the you know,

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for kids. Mike Mike ann had had some stuff to

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give away, so we had so many and we're really

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one thing that we were really pushing. And this is

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is when we're out there big footing, ninety nine point

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nine nine nine nine percent of the time nothing happens.

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nothing happened, or do we take away the time that

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you know, seeing things that that people wouldn't see, you

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know on a normal time. Uh, seeing ol you know

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here in the coyotes, you know, seeing all the you know,

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the creaturess of the night, you know, kind of kind

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of going through the woods like that. It's we really

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wanted people to take that away that you could be

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out there big funting, you could be out there hiking,

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but take away that time that or keep that time

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that that you have with family, with friends and with nature.

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of like the keynote of my speech there. But yeah,

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it was. It was a great time. I mean just

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you know, the the other speakers, they were fantastic. You know,

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our friends ken and and Ken Gerhardt and an Seline

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were there and I love those guys. They are They're

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the best and we had a great time with them,

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and but all the other all the other speakers just fantastic.

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I got a shirt the Forest County big. I should

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should have brought it up here, and it has my

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name on it. I'm like, oh my god, you know,

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I know so so I was happy about that. We

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festival population wise, event wise, it was packed. Uh, Saturday

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was absolutely packed and we and we did have a

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uh you know, just so many people at our table

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and and like I said, having everyone there, you know,

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along those tables was it was awesome. I want to

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give a shout out to uh one of our listeners, Brianna,

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who lives her and her family are up in the

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cook Forest area and they listened to us on the podcast,

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they watched us on STM, and very big fans. There

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was a few other people that he came up that said, hey,

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I listened to you. You know when we're we listened

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to the podcast. When when we're at work, we're listening

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to the podcast, you know, where we're in our car.

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Speaker 1: Really that is.

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Speaker 5: So the food there was great.

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Speaker 2: And get the review on where.

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Speaker 5: So I ended up and it's disappointed for everything that

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they had. Is it disappointing or not. I I went

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two days to the pizza place, the the wood fired pizza.

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Uh that that pizza was fantastic. The first day I

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got you know, the generic you know, sausage and uh

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and cheese.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: The next day I got to Margarita. Oh my god, that.

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the same place.

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was a food truck. They're from they're from that area though,

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so I did not see Jeff and Julie there. I

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was I was really hoping to see them they, I know,

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because and I'm gonna tell you those those two they

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are the feet on the ground in the in the

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Alging National Forest. They're fantastic people. Yeah, they're fantastic people

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and and we love them to death. So uh, you know,

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so shout out to to to Jeff and Julie as well.

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I'm trying to think of anything else we saw any

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boother she she was out there, uh camping on her own. Yeah, yeah,

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and uh and yeah. So that was really fun. And

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now if you remember when we did Eric's Camping Bigfoot

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Camping Festival last year, there was a little issue because

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the basket raffles, so I yeah, so so we ended

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up I ended up throwing a ticket in for the

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basket raffle at the at the end of the festival,

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I ended up putting a big basket from Pheasants Forever,

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which is it, which is a wildlife conservation group, and

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I got some really cool things from that. So I

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was happy. So it was a very very good good time.

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We Uh, there was an incident that was kind of

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crazy that happened at the camp or I was staying

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at and not at our campground. I was staying at

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an Airbnb camper. Uh not that far from Marionville, and uh,

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let's just say that there was the people at the

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camper next to us were a little too rowdy and

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had the cops coming on Saturday night at like eleven

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thirty at night.

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Speaker 2: So that was but being generous with the READI.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I am I, I I absolutely am. So again

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that was just a wonderful festival. When we went out,

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we did the night walk with Mike Finmillian.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: Again, our big thing was, uh, you know, you don't

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have to you don't have to have a big Bigfoot encounter.

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It's just being out there as a family.

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Speaker 5: You know. Again, we there was so much wildlife that

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was uh that was active that night. So you know,

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just getting families, especially if they're from suburban areas urban areas,

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to be out in the woods and to experience that

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is in itself, you know, probably the best thing. One

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one last thing before we go, And we had talked

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about this from our last show. Payment for the U

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for the speaking fee for the for the Forest County

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Bigfoot Festival. I had them do a donation in my

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name in lieu of payment. So hopefully there should be

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a Facebook post sometime this week. They made a payment

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of five hundred dollars to the County Child Yes, to

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the McKean County Child's Advocacy Center. I worked with them.

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I worked with them on a case where we had

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the victim that lived up in Potter County, but everything

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happened in the town I work in, and they were

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the ones that that did the for forends of interview

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for the for the victim who is a young girl,

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and they did a fantastic job. So the money I

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spoke with the director and the money that that's raised,

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that that was donated, that will go to gift cards

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for gas for people that don't have don't have. The

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money helps by the food you know, it goes.

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Speaker 1: That's ad to.

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Speaker 5: The victim. So I'm pretty happy about that.

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Speaker 1: Uh, that's a big congratulations to those that uh, you

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know participated in the financial donation of that. That's yes,

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So hopefully, well that's awesome, thank.

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Speaker 5: You, thank you. So hopefully this week they'll they'll put

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the Facebook post out and then once that's out, well

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we'll share it on on the sash Watch experience.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic again, you know, that's a lot of the times.

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That's the stuff we do. Uh here, we we are

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all about giving back at Sasquad Experience. Honest to god,

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I run this the deficit and probably will be divorced

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by the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what, you did the right thing.

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We did the right thing.

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Speaker 2: And you know what. And again, and I'm going to

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kind of talk about this a little bit and in

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our next segment though, but when you talk about professionalism, right,

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and credential, but you can be the most credential person

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and the biggest name in this field and be an asshole. Yep, right,

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you've got Matteho. But you know, of the entire group,

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I'm the asshole that is not That is the kind

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of nicest, gentlest guy I've ever met. And he's the

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size of a sasquatch, but he's uh, he's a jeful

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giant and just the works that matts. I'm proud to

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have him on the show. I'm proud to have him

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as a And so thank you, thank you, Matt for

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you know kind of care.

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Speaker 5: No, thank you, Matt, thanks, thank you.

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Speaker 1: You're a great rapper representative of the Sasquatch Experience group.

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You really are. I try to present.

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Speaker 2: You are just a good human dude, really, So we'll

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kind of use that to jump off, you know, to

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this next point. I guess it's no stranger. If you

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watch this show, you're probably following the drama of the

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big Footfield is a continues to unferl whether we're talking

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about the aging Bob Gimlin getting beaten up in documentaries. Yeah,

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still haven't shown their light of day yet. Yeah, two

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now eating each other, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right, So we look at Matt Moneymaker and put a

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post out the other at twelve fifteen in the morning

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actually Eastern time, so probably about nine a little at

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the nine Pacific time out there where.

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Speaker 1: Matt Moneymaker of the Bigfoot Research right.

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Speaker 2: Big Footfield Research Organizator. Yes, indeed, I just put my

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glasses down and tried to adjust them on my face. Sorry,

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that's been that kind of day. So I'll read the post,

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and then in between some of the paragraphs, I have

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my own kind of rebuttal, and I'll let you guys

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kind of get your own rebuttals as well during this.

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All right, that's fine, And so Maco's whenever I post

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something saying that Sasquatches have never attacked or killed any

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humans in modern times. There's always some vociferous people who

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rise up to say that's not true, and they invariably

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point to the writings of a guy named David Polite's. Yeah,

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he has two documentary videos on Netflix based on his

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books about missing people. Without saying so explicitly, Polaity strongly

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suggests that sasquatches are responsible for some mysterious disappearances of people,

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especially in national parks. Many people believe this guy and

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will passionately reference his work whenever I say that sasquatch

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did not attack humans. Intimidation is not the same thing

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as an attack. So I'm going to stop to break there.

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First of all, the documentaries are missing four on one,

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Missing For and Won the Hunted. They're pretty much out

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everywhere now, and I think there's a third one that's

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now coming out too.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I believe so the.

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Speaker 2: UFO connection, because while he's out warming himself from camp

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to camp, who's ever paying those speaking fees. That's who's

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responsible for these disappearing people. That's no strength, That's not

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a lie, right, that's the reality. So Matt starts this

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post off with my favorite SaaS statement. Sasquatch has never

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attacked or killed any humans, and we just don't know that.

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You know, there's no veracity of that statement, even in

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modern times, because well, if you were killed by sasas,

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why don't who the hell is going to live to

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tell about us exact? I feel the issue and the

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issue I take with it, and and he kind of

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adds in modern times, so define modern times?

471
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 5: Right.

472
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: Uh, it's just as foolish as the statements that are

473
00:27:54,480 --> 00:28:00,759
made by David Politen's And to me, like we we

474
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,680
infer this creature, it's a unknown entity, right, I'm verified

475
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:12,559
by silence with wild tendencies. Why on earth would we

476
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:18,119
want to continuously portray this thing as a docile herbivore,

477
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:25,079
you know, as with any living creature. I cannot stress

478
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,279
enough the use of caution. That's it. I'm not saying

479
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:32,880
these things are murderous, psychopathic, bloodthirsty villains. I'm just saying,

480
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,880
excise a little conscient, would you, right, because you're dealing

481
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:42,279
with a wild creature and I get a little I

482
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:47,160
get a little turned by that help people attack people, guys.

483
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,440
And if you don't think sasquatch is an ape, and

484
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,119
you think it's more of a person who's kind of

485
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:54,720
our apes. You know, we're of the most violent animals

486
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,960
on the planet. We kill things because we're bored. Yeah,

487
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,759
and I hate chimpanzees. I think they're evil, but the

488
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,759
human sucky. Okay, So when we agree, when we try

489
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,799
to paint this picture as these peaceful fish giants, and

490
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,839
maybe they are, I'm not saying they're not. I'm not

491
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,440
saying get a shovel and beat the hell out of

492
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,160
a bigfoot when you see one. What I'm saying is

493
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,240
given space and to go out there consistently say oh,

494
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,319
they're harmless, they're not going to we don't know that.

495
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,839
Do you really want to be responsible or so someone

496
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,480
getting their arms ripped off? I don't. I don't want

497
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:30,799
that now. I also don't want everybody to go out

498
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:32,480
there and sleep in the shotgun on the hoo pillow

499
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:34,319
and start bagging things in the middle of the night.

500
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,599
Is that's not safe either, And that's a good point, right,

501
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,720
The natural impulses at work through the animal kingdom. Logic

502
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:44,960
and reason are the only things that separate us from

503
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,680
the from the animals, right, They're the only things that

504
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:50,240
stop us for just murdering all willing And that doesn't

505
00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:53,839
even stop us again contradictory. We killed because we can.

506
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,240
It's a natural impulse. Most of us have that ability

507
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,640
to control it, as we know a lot of people don't,

508
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,319
he goes. I'm to say I've known for years that

509
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:06,599
Polite lies a lot, but it required a very good

510
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,039
researcher in the arena of mysterious disappearances to fully show

511
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:13,440
how much of outright fraud Polites is along with the

512
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,079
missing floor in one series. And if you have the

513
00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:19,440
slightest care about the topic, and they claims that sasquaffs

514
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,559
are probably responsible for some unexplained disappearances, then you should

515
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:27,440
watch the YouTube video that thoroughly debunks and exposes Polities.

516
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,160
He's a fraud and the first So this isn't a

517
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,119
new video. The videos have been out from the Lorelaw

518
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:34,599
just been out for eleven months. And if you could

519
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:37,240
sit through the brefest that the video actually is, because

520
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,119
it's not very entertaining, and I'm not saying I just

521
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,039
don't find the video very entertaining. And I know he's

522
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:46,880
meant to kind of expose all this fraud on David

523
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,000
Politi's but fraud's a big word. You'd be very careful

524
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,519
when you're using that. There's some very wijitdous people out

525
00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:58,880
there say it like this, the dots that these connect

526
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:05,400
and just don't connect without them fitting to connect, all right.

527
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:09,559
And then there's a lot of times that even on

528
00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:14,000
his own right, depending on which which camp he's playing to,

529
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,279
rather it's the UFO people or the Bigfoot people. At

530
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:20,519
the conferences he goes to, that's where he kind of

531
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:22,880
changes his story. And it doesn't mean he's a nice guy.

532
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:25,799
You know, you could still be a nice guy and

533
00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:30,640
be a money naked piece of shit. It happens. But again,

534
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,960
we have two people both accused of the very same thing.

535
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:39,039
Mind you, many maker's soul is not completely pure. You know,

536
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,920
four hundred dollars to go on an expedition to charge

537
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,039
for Bigfoot maybe you have an experience or not. You know,

538
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,119
the argument could be made that, you know that in

539
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:53,920
itself could potentially be flawed. Right, So let's not let's

540
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,519
not slice too much and too thinly here. You know,

541
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,640
it's just as a community now we're starting to attack

542
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:07,680
each other and the problem isn't really in the community.

543
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:08,759
By his own choice.

544
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's you bring up politician, you bring

545
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:21,960
up some extremely good points. You know, Polighty's always starts

546
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:29,839
his interviews or his whatever whatever it is he presents

547
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:37,079
that he's in law enforcement. So that encapsulates, Oh, I'm

548
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,880
being completely honest about everything I'm going to share with you.

549
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,400
That may not be true, that may not be true.

550
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:53,119
I always hold some skepticism from everything he has ever shared,

551
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:59,119
but it is extremely fascinating. Matt Moneymaker does the same thing.

552
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,000
Like I've been in the Bigfoot re you know, research

553
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,279
field for years. I've been doing this and and that

554
00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:14,400
brings up the same It brings up the same kind

555
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:24,079
of whatever volume of I don't know. I'm not, I'm

556
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:28,079
not I'm trying to find the words, but equal value

557
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:33,839
between Politi's and what Moneymaker are saying with each other.

558
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:37,119
And so I have to sit here and play this

559
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:41,279
volleyball game between the two of them, and I'm like,

560
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,960
I don't know who's bringing more to the table of truth.

561
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:51,559
And it really makes it kind of you know, it

562
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:58,440
makes it for me personally. It makes it kind of interesting.

563
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,119
It's very interesting between the two of their points, but

564
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,640
I don't know which one is bringing more truth to

565
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:08,360
the table.

566
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,199
Speaker 2: The problem is there's no points that are really brought

567
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:15,639
to the table. It's regurgitated information, right, that's imagulated and

568
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,719
not done right now, lore lodge what they do. While

569
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,679
the video is not very entertaining, it is very informational,

570
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,000
and so we're prepared to sit down and take some notes.

571
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:29,000
But as a community, we've spent a great deal of

572
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:32,639
time promoting the virtue of veterans and law enforcement being

573
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,079
the best in the field. Only the really let down

574
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,360
time and time again by people that really hold those credentials. Matt,

575
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,280
we're executing you from that, of course, and there's always

576
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,000
right zigone and many others, you know, And I'm not

577
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,440
taking for the love of God, nobody take it as

578
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,599
a shock of veterans and law enforcement. But those are

579
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:55,639
the people we extoll and put at the forefront of

580
00:34:55,679 --> 00:35:00,239
the field, every credentialed right, But you know, we we

581
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,119
look at the credentials. People look at the credentials of polities.

582
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:06,159
They start diving in what does Matt Moneymaker do? On

583
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:08,440
every report that's listened on to be a website At

584
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,400
the bottom of the bottom of the pain, there's a

585
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:17,119
CV of every investigator that has touched that case. And

586
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:25,519
that's to show credibility right, credibilities isn't equalified by credentials.

587
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,360
You can have all the credentials in the world and

588
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,480
still suck at what you can do.

589
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I totally agree.

590
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: And I think that's where we as a community have

591
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,599
to step back and stop putting up these pedestals for

592
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,280
these folks that haven't earned it.

593
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:41,079
Speaker 1: Yep.

594
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: Now, I love the fact that Matt, you know this.

595
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,000
A lot of the people we associate with or of

596
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:48,800
law enforcement and they bring a certain level of skill.

597
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:51,480
And Matt, you work with me enough to know I'm

598
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,000
a sponge. I absorb everything I can from people I

599
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:56,400
work with. The power of we is better than the

600
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:56,960
power of me.

601
00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: Right.

602
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: And while we're out working with these folks, and it

603
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,840
always looks great to have them on a podcast. So

604
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,880
it's great to have them as some sort of expert

605
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,360
testimony in something and that quirky whatever is going to

606
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,320
get pistically use that they're an expert. Again, just often

607
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,599
die my friend, it's my show. I'll use whatever word

608
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:18,239
I want. There are folks that have expertise and fields

609
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:24,000
that relate directly to this research, right, and so those

610
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,760
are the folks we like to bring those credentials in

611
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,239
to add credibility to our team, but they have to

612
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,400
be applied, right. That's also if you're going to carry

613
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,920
those credentials, you have to carry yourself right. And sometimes

614
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,800
that's where the rub comes, right, those folks make issues

615
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,639
and their professional life, and so they've made this jump.

616
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,400
And you know, history is very revisional. It's so a

617
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,840
little bit harder to do it now because of Google

618
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,400
and the World Wide Web, but history is revisional, and

619
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,280
folks tend to find ways to make the less desirable

620
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,960
parts of them disappear so that we could stand among

621
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:06,519
peers and write these books. And you know, the jury's

622
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:10,199
still out of a lot. While I don't believe in

623
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:16,159
the missing four one one connection entirely, just because he

624
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,719
didn't put the right shade of lipstick on doesn't mean

625
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,480
it's not pretty, doesn't mean there's not truth to it.

626
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: Right. I agree with you Sean.

627
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:27,519
Speaker 2: What polities does bring in that is, even though it's

628
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:31,400
a lot of collection and a lot of amagulation, that's

629
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,800
still more than what moneymakers brought to the table to

630
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,320
support his fact that these things are Uncle fluffy, that

631
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,559
they're not harmful creatures. And as much as we also

632
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,079
turn to the point where we educate the people that

633
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:48,400
come and listen to his speek. The people that come

634
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,960
and you know, go to conferences and conventions, and they

635
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,840
bring their kids, and we want them to have this

636
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,119
desire and this wonder to be out in the woods

637
00:37:56,199 --> 00:37:59,920
and to explore the strange world around us. I also

638
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:02,480
when I'm cuddling up the black bears or grizzly bears

639
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:05,920
either exactly, So we go out and say, hey, can't

640
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,880
stay away from that bear, He's going to eat your face.

641
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:12,039
You should kind of be the same attitude we have

642
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:14,119
with Sasquat.

643
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: Should we have to prove one exists? And so let

644
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,760
me ask a question. Let me ask a question. How

645
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:26,679
do you feel that between polite E's and moneymaker? How

646
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:32,440
is AI going to differentiate between the two and having

647
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:36,440
people's opinions be changed with AI?

648
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: Well, are are you talking about AI as a tool?

649
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: And yes, if you ask the question, how is AI

650
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:51,800
going to differentiate between those two opinions of each other?

651
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 2: Well, I think with any logical formulation, it's going to

652
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,239
put them on opposite sides of the spectrum. You know,

653
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,639
you'd have one that's prob and.

654
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: I kind of figure that was going to be the

655
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,400
end result. It's going to put them on the opposite ends.

656
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,239
I really did, but I mean they're.

657
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: On the opposite ends now, AI aside. I think the

658
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,719
only thing AI is doing is potentially could add some

659
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:21,079
alliteration and some unless you prompt it well, pardon me,

660
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,239
unless you prompt it well and asked it to take

661
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,519
out certain qualifiers, it could lump in a lot of

662
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:33,760
fiction right with reality. And so you add that blending

663
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,280
of stories.

664
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: No, I totally agree, and I totally agree. You know,

665
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,559
before the whole before the whole AI revolution has come

666
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,760
a blossomed, I would listen to Polity's stories, and I

667
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:55,239
was completely fascinated and horrified by listening to all of

668
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:01,599
his uh stories and giving all these deep tales of

669
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:05,519
everything he had to give. And then I listened to Moneymaker,

670
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:08,840
and I'm like, yeah, well, well that might be. But

671
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:15,960
I was not nearly enthrawled as much as David Politi's

672
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,000
stories were. So then I was starting to wonder, is

673
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,559
a lot of this just kind of made up?

674
00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:27,599
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I would have no doubt that our advance

675
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,679
and a lot of this, listen, it plays on emotion

676
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,880
just like anything that's hot in Yeah, right now, great

677
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,360
conversation started even I look, I'm getting hot about this topic.

678
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:41,360
And I had no I had no real skin in

679
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,280
the game besides trying to say the skin of our

680
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,039
friends and kids that are out there wanting to get

681
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:45,800
both from input.

682
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,039
Speaker 1: But okay, that's true.

683
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: You know in this whole argument that the argument goes

684
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,800
back to the core that Matt Moneymaker doesn't like the

685
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,480
fact David Polities has used this for to promote sasquatches

686
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:06,239
are vindictive, evil, murdering creatures that cause are speranciational point right,

687
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,559
because it shies away from his vision of the fantastic

688
00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:15,199
forest people and their meadows of spring flowers and you know,

689
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:22,320
sasquatches frolicking amongst the wild flowers. And there's two different narratives, right,

690
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,760
and in there in between is the invariable truth that

691
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,679
doesn't play to emotion and and what's the truth? The

692
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:32,400
truth is right here in this little box. Folks. You're

693
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,360
dealing with the potential of a wild animal. It's gonna

694
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,320
have good days, it's gonna have bad days, plain and simple.

695
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,760
Don't fuck with it. It doesn't be any more difficult

696
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,400
as we go out and try to elicit responses from

697
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,079
improving again.

698
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.

699
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: But you know that could have a negative effect one day. Yeah,

700
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,440
running through the woods and Matt pushes me down and

701
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,280
I'm big footboll.

702
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,119
Speaker 1: No, that's a good point. Just get that's a really

703
00:41:59,119 --> 00:41:59,639
good point.

704
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: But we don't know, We don't know, and that and

705
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,800
so so much of this goes back to what we

706
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,920
feel and two guys that have a little bit of

707
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:17,239
self aggrandization that putting themselves up above others, and my opinion,

708
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,519
weighs more than others. It's a me me me and

709
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:23,760
a me me me, and we don't know. Polite's put

710
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,039
a lot of time and effort into something. If it's

711
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:28,519
a fraud, that the word, that's the word others have used.

712
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,800
I'm not calling it that, but that's the word. He's

713
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,280
spent a lot of time working on it and promis

714
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:37,920
he did that. That's that's dedication to her.

715
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: W Yes it is now.

716
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: There's one hundred and fifty other problems I have with

717
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:44,679
David Polti's that have nothing to do with missing four

718
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,920
one one. We've talked about Missing four one one. There

719
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,360
are there missing people disappearing in national parks, YEP, yes,

720
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,480
that's a fact. Are they all related?

721
00:42:57,639 --> 00:42:58,679
Speaker 1: Not necessarily?

722
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: Night, Are some of them related more than likely? Is

723
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:06,239
this formula he came up with the golden standard for

724
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,840
missing people? Not a chance in hell. They're just points

725
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:14,280
you could. We could go out there and find fifty

726
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,960
different shades of blue. At the end of the day,

727
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:21,639
it's blue. Yeah. Right, But they're still very different, right,

728
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,599
And they all have a different way they resonate and

729
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:28,840
manipulate and made people feel. Bones are very interesting color, right,

730
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:34,559
Color in general is very interesting. But two again, they're

731
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:37,480
both using this emotional play to I don't even know

732
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,800
where the hell I was going with color. I completely

733
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,559
lost the thing on that one. It had an important

734
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:45,400
thought and I lost it as quickly as I was

735
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,039
doing with it. Sorry, folks, that's all right. But they

736
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:55,679
are diametrically different fides of the same coin, you know.

737
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,480
I remember we talked earlier today that we're not competitors, right,

738
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:01,519
We're all friends. Some of them are competitors. It is

739
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,320
market share for some of these guys, and it is

740
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,960
about generating eyes and business. There is a reality to

741
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:13,960
what David Puladis is trying to sell, and it's the

742
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,239
reality I pointed out to you, guys, this could be

743
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,239
a dangerous creature, could be we could assume it will

744
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,239
be if you don't do things right to it, if

745
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,400
you don't leave it alone.

746
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 5: Right.

747
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, intimidation, true intimidation is not the same thing as violence,

748
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,280
as Matt Moneymaker says, which is not. Actually intimidation is

749
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,800
the freakurs of violence.

750
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: But none of this means that fifty percent of what

751
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:43,639
polite is is shared and fifty percent of what Moneymaker

752
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,320
is shared is not true. It might be real, it

753
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,880
may very well have happened, and it's a fifty to

754
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:53,599
fifty thing.

755
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:58,119
Speaker 2: So you go back to that credibility pieces by jumping

756
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:01,800
back and forth. And when says it here eloquently, it's

757
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,880
a ploy to stay in the forefront of the community

758
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,960
that has nothing new to offer, right, And I agree

759
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:13,320
with that. And and just like damon, the only thing

760
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,119
new to being offering there is missing people. But at

761
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:18,760
the end of the day, we can find out they're

762
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,320
just to identified serial killers.

763
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, or just you know, they fell off a

764
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,000
cliff and broke a leg and they died.

765
00:45:26,559 --> 00:45:29,599
Speaker 2: Wellstically speaking, you have a better chance of that than

766
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:33,119
getting murdered by a bigfoot, right, and you have a

767
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,360
better chance of being abducted by a serial killers, and

768
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,480
you do have being killed by a big but maybe we.

769
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,679
Speaker 1: Don't know, Maybe we don't know.

770
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 2: Those are very disturbing lines of thoughts would go down

771
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,760
based upon the we don't know, and then you know,

772
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,880
furthermore of this. I'll just surmise this.

773
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 5: Uh.

774
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: You know, I just don't like anybody creating an illusion

775
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,559
of false safety, right, And I also don't like anybody

776
00:45:57,199 --> 00:46:01,960
promoting this murderous sas watch terrorizing national parts right now.

777
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,000
The National Park Service doesn't need any dive and tourism,

778
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,480
but we as a community are guilty of creating opportunities

779
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,320
for people like Politis and people like Moneymaker to continuously

780
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,360
go out there and promote these on a supported theories

781
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,760
and unsupported facts and just meeting them like these guys

782
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,119
are better than anyone else. They're just guys. Some of

783
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:30,800
them have been on TV more than others, that's it.

784
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,599
They make no mistake. They don't know anything more than

785
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:35,440
anybody else.

786
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I write a report today that a five

787
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:45,639
year old was severely injured by a bison in Yellowstone.

788
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:51,239
We can't contribute that to a big footing counter we can't.

789
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:54,639
Speaker 2: But for how many years have we told people that

790
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:55,880
the bison will hurt you.

791
00:46:56,199 --> 00:46:57,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you approach.

792
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 2: Them, stay away, they're wild. And yet some dumb alarent

793
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,119
did pay a township probably listened to the matt and

794
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:06,320
moneymaker of bison's out there and told them that, oh,

795
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,840
it's okay going stand next to you know, Bruno the bison.

796
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,000
They think it's hunted into next.

797
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:16,199
Speaker 1: Exactly.

798
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I mean I was gonna say that the

799
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:24,400
most one of the most dangerous animals in North America

800
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,800
is the moose. Yeah, and the moose onlunteering your arms

801
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,760
apart there. But one thing that they do that people

802
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,360
attribute Bigfoot two is they'll do a bluff charge. Ye,

803
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:38,039
but then they'll they'll continue going and they'll go right

804
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:43,119
through you. But but yeah, you know, it's about safety.

805
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,360
This question was brought up during the roundtable at the

806
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:50,400
UH at the Forest County Bigfoot. I didn't I didn't

807
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,679
respond because there was a lot of a lot of

808
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:55,679
different people and they want to move on. But uh,

809
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,760
the one thing is is that is that with Bigfoot,

810
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:05,239
it's not Bigfoot itself that will hurt you or kill you,

811
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,400
but it's big foot ting. And the one thing is,

812
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:12,519
I remember what two years ago, we had two guys

813
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:16,000
out in the Pacific Northwest. They decided to to go

814
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:20,320
out to look for bigfoot after Christmas. Did not bring

815
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,719
any any water resistant clothing, didn't have any any compasses,

816
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,800
any maps. They just went out there and started, you know,

817
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,639
they just around the back country. They both died, you know,

818
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,679
they both died of exposure. So it so and we

819
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,119
always talked about up in Potter County. You got snakes,

820
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:44,679
you got clear drop offs, cliffs, uh, you got so

821
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,119
many places that you can get turned around, get lost,

822
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,119
and so you do have to keep safety in your mind.

823
00:48:52,599 --> 00:48:55,559
Can something like this potentially harm you or hurt you?

824
00:48:55,639 --> 00:49:02,559
Speaker 1: As absolutely absolutely, But Matt, I think you executed the

825
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:03,440
point flawlessly.

826
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,559
Speaker 2: There again, it's a night of compliments from Matt here.

827
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 5: Thank you.

828
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: The point made is dig fook him will kill you

829
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,760
if you're not careful anything, honest to God. It's it's

830
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,840
a safety and a common sense thing. And as with

831
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,280
anything with any wildlife, keep your distance, admire from a distance,

832
00:49:26,199 --> 00:49:28,920
you know, just use common sense and folks, that was

833
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,159
a long way of kind of making that point. But

834
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,800
you know, when you have, you know, a person in

835
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,639
this field that a lot of people look up to,

836
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:40,119
going after somebody in this field that a lot of

837
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:41,960
people look up to, and you have somebody in this

838
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:43,800
field that you know, maybe somebody looks up to me.

839
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,639
I feel bad for them what they do. I just

840
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:47,920
want to be the voice of reason in there that says, hey, listen,

841
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:51,440
there are points you know that are to be made

842
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,320
on both sides. There are points right, pay attention to

843
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,239
it all. Don't follow one doctrine blindness, because the Matt says,

844
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,960
the most important thing is safety. Big footing will hurt

845
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,039
you if you're not careful. Your own self is your

846
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:11,400
biggest victim. Your biggest victim is your business opportunity to

847
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,719
make you a victim.

848
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:19,119
Speaker 1: And that is an extremely good point. If you do

849
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,760
not venture out, when you put your boots on, and

850
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,719
you do not venture out, and you don't have every

851
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:34,280
aspect of what can protect you from every single threat

852
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,039
that comes your way, I'm sorry, you're a dumb ass.

853
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:43,400
You are a dumb yeah. Right. You have to protect

854
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,039
every aspect of what it is that you are doing.

855
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 2: You have to know the danger, yep, right, and you

856
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,360
do have to acknowledge that there is danger. Yep, that's

857
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,719
that's the key. We've been almost through that whole hour already.

858
00:50:59,280 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 5: You believe that.

859
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: Wow, what a crazy night has been. And you know, honestly,

860
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,639
we haven't even you know, got into some of the

861
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:09,440
more recent sightings that catch up on. We believe well,

862
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:12,000
citing reports that have come back, we will to catch

863
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:14,639
up on. And it's it is. But it's been nice.

864
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:18,800
And Henry, Henry has been sitting there back and forth. Henry,

865
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:20,559
what do you have for us?

866
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: Come on, man, Mary, Well, here's the thing.

867
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:29,199
Speaker 6: If you think about Matt Moneymakers saying, oh, well, well

868
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,679
there's no credible end of this South squatched that humans

869
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,519
who what about that? Did Matt money Maker forget about that?

870
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,679
Unless that wasn't a sad squatch?

871
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,599
Speaker 2: You do have that in town. You had the Albert

872
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:48,239
Austman encounter, you have eight Canyon. You know, there's all

873
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,519
kinds of stories that are passed through you have you know,

874
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,639
you even have stories up here in Pennsylvania of aggressive

875
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,559
you know, bigfoot type encounters. So you have to just well,

876
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:04,119
thank you, Jay, wonderful show GluN having back. It's great

877
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:06,760
to be back. Our friend. Another wonderful supporter of ours

878
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,679
again you we exercise common sense and be safe, folks.

879
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,360
That's all we can say. We love our listeners, we

880
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,280
love our friends. We want to make sure you all

881
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,159
get back safely from your journey.

882
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:21,119
Speaker 1: And I give you all a big hug. Yeah, they

883
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:22,559
give you all a big hug.

884
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: Matt or Matt, you said you wanted to have a

885
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:29,159
closing point tonight. What was your closing point?

886
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:36,119
Speaker 1: My closing point tonight is completely switching gears that when

887
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,679
I was born in nineteen sixty one, and yes, I'm

888
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,679
going to date myself, this country was one hundred and

889
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,440
eighty five years old, and now we're celebrating our two

890
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:56,800
hundred and fiftieth year. I want everybody to just completely

891
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:04,000
enthrall and in absorb the amazing country in which we

892
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:09,239
live in. We live in the freest, greatest, kick ass

893
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:16,559
country for two hundred and fifty years. So coming this Saturday, please,

894
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:23,440
whatever you do, you enjoy this two hundred and fiftieth

895
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:29,320
anniversary of the independence of our country. And that's what

896
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,559
I've got to say. Why I left everybody stunned.

897
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, going to not to go back to what I

898
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,760
was saying, but going back on the safety thing. I

899
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,519
want to make sure that when we all come back

900
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:48,159
that everyone has their fingers. You know. No, don't pick

901
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:53,679
up duds. Don't don't, yeah, don't, don't watch the Roman noodles,

902
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:53,920
you know.

903
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: Nope.

904
00:53:55,039 --> 00:53:58,039
Speaker 5: Let the professionals take care of it. Be very cautious.

905
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,519
The worst I deal with.

906
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: Digit on your hands.

907
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,599
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, it's inevitable. We deal with so many traumas

908
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:08,840
fourth and July weekend, so please be careful.

909
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, keep all the digits on your hands. That is

910
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:20,480
most important. Yeah, but enjoy America two fifty Go America.

911
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:24,119
Speaker 2: And Henry take us out. Oh, go ahead, Hold on, Henry,

912
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:25,079
go ahead.

913
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 5: No, I was gonna say, I do have my BUCkies

914
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,760
two hundred and fiftieth America Anniversary shirt, So I'm all

915
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:33,320
set for that.

916
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,159
Speaker 1: He's ready to go old BUCkies.

917
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 2: Now, Henry take us out.

918
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:43,599
Speaker 5: I'll be good, be good at it.

919
00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, all right, we'll see you next time. Keep

920
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:48,800
on squatching it.

921
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,840
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922
00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:03,880
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923
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:04,480
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924
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925
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:19,679
Speaker 3: Keep on squatching

926
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Speaker 2: M HM