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<v Speaker 1>By Billy Cunning him the Great America. And as I

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<v Speaker 1>look to my left, the body of a hero. Larry

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<v Speaker 1>Henderson has arrived at Spring Grove Cemetery for proceedings there,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll be in tombs sometime later this afternoon. But

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<v Speaker 1>as we continue, of course, as we're all well aware,

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday the shocking news came out that we have an

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<v Speaker 1>American pope for the first time ever. It was thought

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<v Speaker 1>impossible for lots of reasons, but Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost

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<v Speaker 1>was elevated from his status as a cardinal. He was

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<v Speaker 1>only became a cardinal a couple of years years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and so many are a commenting whether or not he

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<v Speaker 1>will be shall we say in the vein of Francis

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<v Speaker 1>the First, or will he be in the vein of

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<v Speaker 1>his two predecessors? Will he be a liberal or will

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<v Speaker 1>he be a conservative? I would note that there is

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<v Speaker 1>some information available that he was a registered Republican at

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<v Speaker 1>one point, and he also was a White Sox fan,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the protestations of the contrary. And there are some

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<v Speaker 1>conservative commentators like or Loomer, she's branding our new pope

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<v Speaker 1>already as woke and a Marxist which is a blasphemy

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<v Speaker 1>in my viewpoint. But the man who set the record

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<v Speaker 1>straight is Michael McDonald the Catholic League of New York

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<v Speaker 1>City and Michael McDonald, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>And first of all, Mike, let's talk about what happened

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday about twelve fifteen, twelve twenty in the afternoon Eastern time.

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<v Speaker 1>Described the level of shock that you felt when the

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<v Speaker 1>Cardinals picked an American pope.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Bill, it's great to be with you. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a tremendous moment in American history. I mean, you look

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<v Speaker 2>around Cardinal prevosts Now, Pope Leo the fourteenth wasn't really

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<v Speaker 2>on anyone's like top five lists. Yeah, you'd see him

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<v Speaker 2>as on a couple of these lists. Is oh, there's

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<v Speaker 2>actually another American cardinal. He's actually down in Peru, runs

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<v Speaker 2>Giasy down there, and he's over in Rome now, but

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<v Speaker 2>we all forget about him. So, you know, this guy

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<v Speaker 2>kind of came out, not necessarily out of nowhere, but

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<v Speaker 2>definitely not in any one's top five lists. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we do live in the age of Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the Vatican worried about getting the tariff, so

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<v Speaker 2>they bought American I don't know, but this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is a you know, a tremendous earthquake and and a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing, and a good thing like this is very exciting. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The American Church is very strong, very vibrant. H you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you go to particularly these churches that offer the Latin

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<v Speaker 2>Mass that are much more closer to the tradition of

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<v Speaker 2>what the church is always taught and always believed in,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're very vibrant that there's young families with kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the church my wife and I go to

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<v Speaker 2>with our our kid is like that. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of young kids there. You know, you're not seeing so

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<v Speaker 2>many of the gray haired types you're see in some

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<v Speaker 2>of these more like boomer churches that just sort of

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<v Speaker 2>do let's feel good. So this is a good moment

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<v Speaker 2>for that. Well, we'll have to see how he governs.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a lot of question marks on that,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is his first day on the chop that

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<v Speaker 2>there are signs that people that are hoping for more

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<v Speaker 2>of a return tradition could be excited about. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there's other things that might cause a little bit of heartburn.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll just have to see. Let's get him the

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<v Speaker 2>benefit of the doubt. He hasn't I mean, just been

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<v Speaker 2>on the job for twenty four hours, So let's see

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<v Speaker 2>what he can do.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael McDonald, I'd look at some point. I guess he

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<v Speaker 1>can't do it in the first year or two. But

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<v Speaker 1>at some point Leo the fourteenth is going to tour America.

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<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine when he comes here and you

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<v Speaker 1>have a pope speak of the English so well, who

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<v Speaker 1>was a white Sox fan in Chicago growing up, according

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<v Speaker 1>to his brother. Of course, now the Cubs are claiming him.

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<v Speaker 1>The Cubs have a sign up out of Wrigley Field.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a Cubs fan, but his brother says, we grew

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<v Speaker 1>up on the South Side as white Sox fans who

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<v Speaker 1>spent like twenty years as a missionary in Peru. I

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<v Speaker 1>completely lost touch with him. And then he's plucked down

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<v Speaker 1>and may use the term obscurity by a pontiff to

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<v Speaker 1>come eventually worked his way up from the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>Rome to picking the archbishops all around the world. And

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<v Speaker 1>I would think from that circumstance, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>the title was, but he was the guy advising the

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<v Speaker 1>Pope Francis who to make an archbishop, including the new

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<v Speaker 1>one we have here in Cincinnati from Chicago. And I

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<v Speaker 1>would think he was uniquely qualified, but for the fact

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<v Speaker 1>he was born in America and he was called the

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<v Speaker 1>least American of the cardinal the cardinals, of all the

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<v Speaker 1>cardinals here? Was that an insult or accomplishment?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Accomplishment accomplishment?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it depends on who you talk to

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the least American of the American titles.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's not necessarily a wrong take, but I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that you know that there is something to

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<v Speaker 2>be said, uh, particularly what we really needed, Uh, Pope Francis,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to do like the cadavers in it

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<v Speaker 2>back in the seven hundreds and when we're taking up

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<v Speaker 2>the old pope to lambassed him. But some of his

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<v Speaker 2>moral teachings were a little lacking in clarity, to be

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<v Speaker 2>to be nice about it, he he kind of wondered

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes about the people around him, if they if their

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<v Speaker 2>hearts were in the right place. And yeah, uh, hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>the fourteenth has a great story to tell. Uh. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he felt really called to do missionary work. He joined

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<v Speaker 2>the Augustinians, which traces their lineage back to Saint Augustine

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<v Speaker 2>back in antiquity. Uh. So this is an established order.

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<v Speaker 2>The most are a lot smaller than they used to be.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean probably the last big member that they had

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<v Speaker 2>the people would be familiar with Martin Luther and we

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<v Speaker 2>know how that turned out. But in terms of pop

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<v Speaker 2>Leo the fourteenth himself as Cardinal Privos, he went down

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<v Speaker 2>to Lima Dance Brew. He did a lot of missionary

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<v Speaker 2>work in there, in remote villages up in the Andes. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, there's there's something nice to see, especially

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<v Speaker 2>as a Catholic is someone that's deeply in love with

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<v Speaker 2>their faith. I mean, yesterday he just stopped and said

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<v Speaker 2>to Hail Mary, which is a good sign for traditionalists,

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<v Speaker 2>a strong Marriyan devotions, something that you want to keep

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<v Speaker 2>an eye out for. Uh. And So just in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of love for the Church, love for Christ, he seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be starting off on the right foot on that

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<v Speaker 2>and sending a very strong message that that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the center of his pontificate. And if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at his first homily today, very strong on that issue

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<v Speaker 2>as well, in which he's talking about the world needs

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<v Speaker 2>to uh, the world needs the church really to bear

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<v Speaker 2>witness to Christ. Christ is the son of God who

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<v Speaker 2>came to earth to die and save us from sin.

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<v Speaker 2>Not just this nice guy that said nice things and

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<v Speaker 2>gave out little platitudes and had some fun sayings, but

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<v Speaker 2>actually the pathway to salvation. And so I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to be optimistic about.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, each side wants to claim him your story that

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Donnahues on the Catholic League website says that Orthodox

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<v Speaker 1>Catholics will be happy to learn that Leo the fourteenth

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<v Speaker 1>is strongly pro life. He opposes abortion, thank god, euthanasia

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<v Speaker 1>assists at suicide. He also goes on to say he

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<v Speaker 1>believes in property rights, which Marxists do not believe in.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also made the case for private property, which is

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<v Speaker 1>hardly an expression of socialism. He's also spoke about immigration

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<v Speaker 1>in ways that gives a lot of comfort to shall

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<v Speaker 1>I say, liberals, how do you explain him going after JD.

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<v Speaker 1>Vance in a sense a couple months ago in what

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<v Speaker 1>which the Cardinals said on X that quote JD Vance

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<v Speaker 1>is wrong. Jesus does not ask us to rank our

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<v Speaker 1>love for others quote unquote. Now, liberals thought, Okay, that's good,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going after JD.

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<v Speaker 2>Vance.

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<v Speaker 1>Conservatives think, well, that's good, he's pro life, that healthy

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<v Speaker 1>babies inside the bodies of healthy mothers should be allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to live and not be killed in the womb. But

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the issue of him kind of going

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<v Speaker 1>after JD. Vance, your reaction to.

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<v Speaker 2>That, yeah, that's that is especially as you know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>just talking about him being in the Justinian That concept

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<v Speaker 2>actually comes from sant Agustin that there is ranked love,

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<v Speaker 2>so there is uh. Yeah, there's definitely some some concerns

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<v Speaker 2>that politically he may not be on the same footing

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<v Speaker 2>as JD. Vance. Okay, I understand that. I mean it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we just had a Catholic president in this country,

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly Catholic president that uh, there was a fortune he

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<v Speaker 2>could justify. Okay, he pulled the rosary out of his

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<v Speaker 2>pockets every once in a while, but couldn't I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>do anything, uh in scept with the actual teachings of

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<v Speaker 2>the Catholic Church. So you know, it's nice to have actually,

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<v Speaker 2>uh a person like JD. Vance uh as a Catholic

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<v Speaker 2>to actually get up there and so actually the Catholic

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<v Speaker 2>Church has these notions. They're ancient, but you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>should practice him. And that's that's very refreshing to have

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<v Speaker 2>somebody in public life that actually takes their faith seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>uh and can speak to it with a high degree

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<v Speaker 2>of authority. He just looked at the JD. Vance and

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<v Speaker 2>he sounds like he knows what he's talking about because

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<v Speaker 2>he does. Uh. That's that's that's a huge thing to have,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly for lay people like, oh, look, here's somebody that

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<v Speaker 2>isn't a priest that out there putting his faith into action,

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<v Speaker 2>living it at daily and making that the backbone of

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<v Speaker 2>his public policy. That's a great thing to see. And

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<v Speaker 2>I would hope I would hope that you know, now

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe the political climate has changed in Rome, we

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<v Speaker 2>can look at these things a little bit more clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>and so actually that would be a benefit to the

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<v Speaker 2>church and people that are not ordained that are able

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<v Speaker 2>to live out their faith and expressive faith, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>that brings more people to the faith, or at least

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<v Speaker 2>inspire the people that are already in the faith to

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<v Speaker 2>actively live out their faith.

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<v Speaker 1>I would note that JD. Vance, who was non religious,

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<v Speaker 1>converted to Catholicism at my charge Saint Gertrud's and Madera.

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<v Speaker 1>He's practicing a Roman Catholic. Now, I would point out

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<v Speaker 1>your article says quote is Popely of the fourteenth a Republican,

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<v Speaker 1>a Democrat, or an independent. Well, he's a Republican, a

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<v Speaker 1>registered Republican in Illinois, which is hard to be a

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<v Speaker 1>Republican in Illinois. In Chicago. He pulled the Republican lever

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twelve, twenty fourteen, twenty sixteen, apparently did not

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<v Speaker 1>vote in the twenty sixteen but chose to vote by

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<v Speaker 1>absentee in twenty twenty four It appears he's more of

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<v Speaker 1>a Bush Republican than a Trump Republican. But he's certainly

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<v Speaker 1>not woke or a Marxist activist, and so each side

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<v Speaker 1>is pulling him. And I would imagine living in Italy,

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<v Speaker 1>which is socialist, in Europe, extremely socialist. The poll is

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<v Speaker 1>the gravitational poll is going to be to the left

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to the right. But the Christ is neither

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<v Speaker 1>Democrat nor Republican, liberal nor conservative, left nor right, not

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<v Speaker 1>blue nor red. He cares for all people all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and salvation is at the heart of what the Christ

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<v Speaker 1>has preached, and so would. I would anticipate that. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you imagine what happens in a year or two when

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<v Speaker 1>he has stadium tours inside this country. What's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to be the bigger than when

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<v Speaker 2>Pope John Paul the Second THI over here now Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Pope John Paul the second big I think it's I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's gonna be bigger than that. Just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Pochon Paul the Second, hugely charismatic figure. But it

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<v Speaker 2>is something to be said about having a native son

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<v Speaker 2>in the role of the papacy that that's just hugely inspirational.

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<v Speaker 2>I think again, depending on, as we were talking about before,

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<v Speaker 2>how closely he works in the tradition, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>some things that do speak to him being a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more traditional. There's something speaking tom be a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more on the reformist side of the equation. But

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<v Speaker 2>depending on how he plays that into Israela, let's see

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<v Speaker 2>how that plays out. I think if you see somebody

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<v Speaker 2>that is willing to let traditional Catholics express their love

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<v Speaker 2>for Jesus the way that they have for centuries from millennia,

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<v Speaker 2>I think then you see a massive outpouring of love

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<v Speaker 2>and appreciation for the Pope, and you'll see a big outpouring.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, you know I've been wrong before. I could

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<v Speaker 2>be wrong again. Yes, and other stuff, but that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to see anyway. Maybe it's a wish

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<v Speaker 2>guest thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Justice David Suitor died yesterday. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>many go in as conservatives to the Supreme Court to

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<v Speaker 1>come out as liberals. I can't recall a circumstance where

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<v Speaker 1>a liberal when in the US Supreme Court came out

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<v Speaker 1>a conservative. Things only go one direction, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>be amazing. But one great sentence or two you having

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<v Speaker 1>your Catholic League column today, quote if some progressives who

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<v Speaker 1>wanted Francis or a second are not expressing this main public,

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<v Speaker 1>don't be fooled, is because they want to have entraded

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<v Speaker 1>to the new pope. The left exists for one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>power and they are masters are deceiving people that looks

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<v Speaker 1>like practicing Roman Catholics today. Well, having Pope Leo the

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<v Speaker 1>fourteenth someone they can rally around. And so those are

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<v Speaker 1>your last comments, and I'm thinking, well, we'll see what

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<v Speaker 1>happens in the future. But if this Pope stays firm,

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<v Speaker 1>on life issues. If we can all agree that there's

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<v Speaker 1>difficulties and pregnancies all the time, but can we at

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<v Speaker 1>least agree that a healthy baby inside the body of

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<v Speaker 1>a healthy mother should be born and the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>it can be dealt with through special legislation or adoption,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it might be. And if he switches and allow

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<v Speaker 1>women to become priest or or priest to marry, which

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be as radical, then we're going to have issues.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't see him breaking with tradition, do you, and

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<v Speaker 1>having women become priest or somehow supporting abortion on demand.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't see that happening. If that would happen, the

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic Church would crumble.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. No, And you're right on that. And on terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the Ordained Women ministry nonsense. He's actually been very

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<v Speaker 2>vocal on that. In that you the Senate on citidelity

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<v Speaker 2>last year, he did condemn that very vigorously. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>a good sign on that front. And in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>his American politics, you know, as far as you can

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<v Speaker 2>map any sort of prelate of the Catholic Church into America,

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<v Speaker 2>in politics, he has been very much on the pro

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<v Speaker 2>life side of just about every single vote primary all

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<v Speaker 2>these things, and he's spoken very forcefully in defensive life

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<v Speaker 2>and just real quick bill fun little fact. Yes, on

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<v Speaker 2>the US Supreme Court, you don't tend to see a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people moving from left to right. But interestingly enough,

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<v Speaker 2>Pope Leo the thirteenth back in the eighteen hundreds was

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<v Speaker 2>elected because the cardinals thought that Popious the ninth was

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<v Speaker 2>too conservative. Let's get somebody in there that's a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more liberal minded. And he actually went even further

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<v Speaker 2>to the right on a lot of issues than pop

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<v Speaker 2>Pious and nine. So this does happen in the particularly

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<v Speaker 2>in the church. Actually, Popious the ninth another one, was

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<v Speaker 2>viewed as a liberal and then became much more conservative

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<v Speaker 2>when he became pope. And Benedict the sixteenth another one.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of his writings were not like super hardcore tread Catholic,

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<v Speaker 2>but then when he became pope, he's like, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to I'm bringing back the Latin mass. So just

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<v Speaker 2>because we have a body of work, that doesn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>mean that's how he's going to govern.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is special time to be an American. We

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<v Speaker 1>have the Olympics are here, the World Cup is here.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is here and the pope is here. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody had made that bet a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>i'd bet against it. I don't see an American pope.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the least American of all the cardinals in America,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is a criticism, not a compliment. But

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see. But once again, Catholic League dodd org. Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>League dot org, great columns up and we'll see what

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<v Speaker 1>the next twenty years bring. And Michael, for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time in my life, we have a pope that's younger

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<v Speaker 1>than me. So that's that's remarkable. My sister died Rett.

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<v Speaker 1>And because popes are old, and I'm thinking, well, hell,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe i'm old. I'm not sure. You know, I'm seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 1>but hell I feel like thirty seven most of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>But nonetheless, I got a pope younger than me, so

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<v Speaker 1>I know I'm getting old. But Michael McDonald Catholic League

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<v Speaker 1>dot org is the website, great stuff. And once again,

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<v Speaker 1>God bless Leo the fourteenth. He's got Pete Rose's number fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>There's that number again, fourteen, and that's another good sign.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll see what happens the next twenty years and

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<v Speaker 1>Michael McDonald, Catholic League, thanks again for coming on the

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham Show this Friday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. Thanks Bill, and you're a great American.

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<v Speaker 1>God bless you. Let's continue with more. Look at my left.

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