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<v Speaker 1>We all love to have fun, and for some of

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<v Speaker 1>us it's an outlet, the night life, the drinking, and

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<v Speaker 1>the strange faces we meet along the way. But imagine

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<v Speaker 1>this instead, You're coaxed into drinking with someone you just

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<v Speaker 1>met at a bar. He knows you're looking for an escape,

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<v Speaker 1>and to him, that's a weakness, a weakness he plans

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<v Speaker 1>to take full advantage of. After a few too many drinks,

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<v Speaker 1>things start to become fuzzy and you pass out. You've

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<v Speaker 1>been down this road before. You'll wake up tomorrow as

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<v Speaker 1>you always do. But this time things are a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit different. This time he shakes you awake, his weights

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<v Speaker 1>on top of your body, and his hands are around

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<v Speaker 1>your neck. He's forcing a bottle of vodka down your

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<v Speaker 1>throat and emptying the entire contents, not even giving you

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to breathe ever again. Recording the following podcast

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<v Speaker 1>content and materials.

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<v Speaker 2>Audience listener this.

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<v Speaker 1>Question, Hey, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nicole and I'm Ben, and you are listening to Wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>And Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's already open.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the second time we're filming this recording recording,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm filming. Are you where's the camera my head.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so basically Ben's mike wasn't on and we were

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<v Speaker 1>almost halfway through recording, so this is DejaVu.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's up, guys for the second time for this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's the first for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've never done that before, so I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>due to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to eat a few more pieces of sushi,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And you asked me if I was going to open

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<v Speaker 2>another beer, but I'm still only halfway through this one,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'll just stretch it out.

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<v Speaker 1>The funny thing, too, is I was not drinking the

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<v Speaker 1>first case or the first recording, and now I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fitting. Yeah, So anyways, we should go back

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<v Speaker 2>to what we were talking about at the last time

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<v Speaker 2>we recorded the intro, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Happy Mother's Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Mother's Day to all the badass moms out there

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<v Speaker 2>who deserved an awesome Mother's Day. We hope you had it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we hope it was awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it was like the best day ever.

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<v Speaker 2>The absolute most bestest day ever.

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<v Speaker 1>We celebrated about having Margarita's.

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<v Speaker 2>Margarita's Mother's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your mom loves tequila.

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<v Speaker 2>He loves tequila. That makes her sound like an alcoholic.

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<v Speaker 2>She's not.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not.

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<v Speaker 2>She's borderline.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she might listen to this, be careful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this mom is, uh, we're calling you out.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what's that? What's it called when you go

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<v Speaker 2>in like, oh, people are screaming at us right now?

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<v Speaker 2>What it's called? Intervention?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yes, yeah, you know. We get her up. What

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<v Speaker 1>is it called?

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<v Speaker 2>Patron?

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<v Speaker 1>Patron? Like not even once a year and she's still like,

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<v Speaker 1>she just finished the first one we got her, so

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<v Speaker 1>she she saves it er that is not an alcoholic.

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<v Speaker 2>No, by no means no. But she does love tequila.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she loves her margarita's.

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<v Speaker 2>And do you know what? We love our patrons.

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<v Speaker 1>We I was like, where are you going with this? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>They're freaking amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, if you didn't know, we have a Patreon

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<v Speaker 2>and over on Patreon, people sign up to get things

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<v Speaker 2>like behind the scenes and support us directly, and at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of every month they get an exclusive Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Graham episode. And we had some people sign up

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<v Speaker 2>this past week. So I'm going to read off those

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<v Speaker 2>awesome people who signed up and decided to support us.

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<v Speaker 1>Please do let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So first and foremost, we got Brandon Hanson. We got

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<v Speaker 2>Kara Firestone, who has like one of the most badass

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<v Speaker 2>names I've ever heard name. I'm just going to say

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<v Speaker 2>it one more time. I dig it, Kara Firestone. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a fucking epic.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, like epic. I shouldn't record you saying her name.

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<v Speaker 1>It's quite quite a thing, Firestone. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we got Lisa Medved and Raoul guard Dato.

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<v Speaker 2>I really hope I said your name right, Raoul.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are awesome. That's all awesome, right, Firestone, Oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>all four of you are equally awesome and so so

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<v Speaker 1>so much from the bottom of our hearts. I really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Because of individuals like you, we get to keep

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<v Speaker 2>this show going, so thank you, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>We get to have like so much fun that we

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<v Speaker 1>just want to like re record all of our episodes. Yes, okay, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we also wanted to. We got like, we get some

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<v Speaker 1>super awesome reviews and we never really read anyone here,

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<v Speaker 1>and so this week we're reading two of them because

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<v Speaker 1>they mount my heart and they made me feel good

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<v Speaker 1>and I just want to share the joy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So we got we got our two most recent

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<v Speaker 2>ones happened like last week. Yes, so tattled on the

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<v Speaker 2>couch reading them together.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I love it. So first one was a

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<v Speaker 1>nan two seven zero eight Apple podcasts, so yeah, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>oh okay, and from India, which is like amazing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Apple podcasts is the ones like you can actually write something,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. So this has says hook line and sinker,

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<v Speaker 1>you've caught me. My friend and I found this while

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<v Speaker 1>looking for a podcast that covered the Fritzl case, and

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<v Speaker 1>we've been hooked ever since. My parents listen too to

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<v Speaker 1>some of the episodes as well, mainly curious because I

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<v Speaker 1>laugh so much. Love that. I love the range of

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<v Speaker 1>cases they cover and the fact that they're not covered

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<v Speaker 1>on other podcasts. Love you, guys, that's awesome, Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. That is a freaking amazing and a half review.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing we do try and make sure we like

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<v Speaker 2>mix in not covered cases with some focular ones.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm you're better at that than me. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I cover some more well known ones more times

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<v Speaker 1>than not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we together have a good balance.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'll look at what we've done if it's more

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<v Speaker 2>headline type cases, and I'll try and find one that's

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<v Speaker 2>like a little less known.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's been a few I've covered that I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's been smaller exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I'm doing ones that are a little less known,

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<v Speaker 2>you will specifically go be like I want to do

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<v Speaker 2>a big one. So yeah, it's just we're working good

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<v Speaker 2>together that balance need.

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<v Speaker 1>To stop doing because they're hard. Okay, So the next

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<v Speaker 1>review is from Anastasia seventy nine the best crime podcast ever. OMG,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not listening to these two, you are seriously

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<v Speaker 1>missing out. I absolutely love their banter and commentary. Your

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<v Speaker 1>information is spot on and keeps me on the edge

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<v Speaker 1>of my seat. Thank you so much. You make my

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<v Speaker 1>work life so much more.

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<v Speaker 2>Entertaining, and you make our podcast so much more enjoyable

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<v Speaker 2>to do. Seriously, so awesome. That was so kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Those reviews actually just like keep me going. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 2>They do, they do, and yet we really sorry A

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<v Speaker 2>little another little note for this one too. We try

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure we do banter. We want to be

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<v Speaker 2>honest and we want to be who we are. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not trying to do scripted podcasts by any means or

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that. There are true crime podcasts where you

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<v Speaker 2>go there and you listen to the story and that's it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but we want to be true to ourselves and have

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<v Speaker 2>fun and engage with you guys. The entire point is

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<v Speaker 2>we want to sit down, like feel like we're all

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<v Speaker 2>chatting at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally. Well. I think it's also super cool that people

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<v Speaker 1>get to know us. If we didn't have that banter,

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't necessarily get to know that you really like

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate mount I fucking love chocolate, right, And there are

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<v Speaker 1>some other podcasts I listen to that don't have that,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I don't know anything about the house. That

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean I don't like the show, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just different and that's totally okay. Yeah, And it's

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<v Speaker 2>totally okay what we do and we don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>change that.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is just totally okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And we totally love the fact that you guys

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<v Speaker 2>are here for that. Totally thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, if you want to leave us review and

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<v Speaker 1>make our day, we would super appreciate it. Five stars

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<v Speaker 1>are higher, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, not fishing for anything, you know, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Just kidding, No, honestly, it really does. It honestly really

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<v Speaker 1>makes my day. I'm not even lying, you know it does.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, So you can go give us a rating

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<v Speaker 2>of five stars on Spotify and you can do the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing on Apple Podcasts. But on Apple podcast you

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<v Speaker 2>can also go and give us a little written review too,

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<v Speaker 2>So we appreciate all that, and you guys are absolutely incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks totally.

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<v Speaker 2>On a not so positive note, a little more of

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<v Speaker 2>a negative note, what she got So we were all

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<v Speaker 2>we all know, well not everyone, but a real headliner

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<v Speaker 2>in the true crime news recently is Meade Lake. Which

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<v Speaker 2>is that body that was found in the barrel?

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<v Speaker 1>Yikes? They found another one yikes?

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<v Speaker 2>Which actually I should go over to Instagram and give

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<v Speaker 2>a thanks to the individual who pointed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Out that yeah, because I had heard the one and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like fascinated, but I had not heard yet

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<v Speaker 1>that there was another body found.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Mandy was the one who sent it to us.

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<v Speaker 2>I should have known that. So Mandy Madson, who is

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<v Speaker 2>a fit angel Mama nine to twelve on Instagram, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she sent us the link for us to find out

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<v Speaker 2>that there has been another body discovered in the lake.

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<v Speaker 2>So the lake's like super receding because it's like drought

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<v Speaker 2>like crazy. Right now, I've got an article here from

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<v Speaker 2>CNN written by Rachel Ramirez and Michelle Watson, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the article that we were sent. I'm going to read

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<v Speaker 2>it here so you guys can get caught up on

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on on Lake please do so. More human

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<v Speaker 2>remains were found at Lake Mead over the weekend, less

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<v Speaker 2>than a week after a body in a barrel was

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<v Speaker 2>discovered at the reservoir. National Park Service rangers responded to

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<v Speaker 2>a call on Saturday afternoon that reported the remains in

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<v Speaker 2>Calvill Bay. The Clark County Medieval Nope Medical Examiner is

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<v Speaker 2>assisting with determining the cause of death, according to the NPS,

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<v Speaker 2>which said there is no further information available at this time.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the second set of human remains found at

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<v Speaker 2>Lake Mead, the count country's largest reservoir, as water levels plunged.

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<v Speaker 2>The first body discovered was on May first, was likely

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<v Speaker 2>the murder victim who died from a gunshot wound quote

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<v Speaker 2>sometime in the mid seventies to early eighties, based on

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<v Speaker 1>With wild So yeah, I mean when they found that

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<v Speaker 2>People are kind of holding their breath thinking that more

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<v Speaker 1>Still, Oh my gosh, let's not drain the ocean. Lord

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<v Speaker 2>We will find Dexter's stash.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time we have a chance to bring up Dexter, Man,

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<v Speaker 2>Going to because dex is the shit.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so just yeah, he's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're not talking about Dexter's lab, although Dexter's lab

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about Dexter Morgan.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I know, but Dexter's lab is also Okay, Dexter's

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<v Speaker 2>mom like Dexter's lab his mom. Yeah, super thick, super hot,

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<v Speaker 2>just say it.

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<v Speaker 1>Good Lord, Okay, we're talking about Gilbert now, sorry, Gilbert

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Jordan. Okay, okay, you're good with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good with that. Let's talk about Gilbert Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan, also known as the Boos and Barber the Boos

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<v Speaker 1>and Barber, the Boos, and which will make sense to

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<v Speaker 2>It's like some Sweeney Todd shit. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I'm going to start. I also want to say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>my intro for this week was freaking epic.

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<v Speaker 2>It was seriously well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Snaps to me, is that a thing? Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>not do that something?

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<v Speaker 2>We are too tight?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Okay, let's let's let's go back on track. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm starting this case off slightly different. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to read out a police issued alert that went out

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<v Speaker 1>Sanich Police Department. And Sanich is a city on Vancouver

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<v Speaker 1>Island for anyone that doesn't know. The alert was to

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<v Speaker 1>warn the public to be cautious of a recently released

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<v Speaker 1>individual and it went as follows. Gilbert Paul Jordan, age

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three, is the subject of this alert. Jordan is

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<v Speaker 1>five nine and weighs one hundred and seventy four pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>He is partially bald, with gray hair and a grey

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<v Speaker 1>go tea. He has blue eyes and wears glasses. Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>is currently in the Victoria area but has no fixed address.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan has a significant criminal record, including handslaughter and indecent

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<v Speaker 1>assault of a female. He uses alcohol to lure his victims.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan's target victim group is adult females. Jordan is subject

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<v Speaker 1>to court ordered conditions including abstain absolutely from the consumption

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<v Speaker 1>of alcohol, not to be in the company of any

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<v Speaker 1>female person or persons in any place where alcohol is

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<v Speaker 1>being either consumed or possessed by that person or persons.

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<v Speaker 1>If you observe the subject in violation of any of

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<v Speaker 1>nine to one to one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he sounds like a real piece of shit.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a winner, winner and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>I maybe not even close to.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he's shit, he's shit, he's nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we're just those old two old guys

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<v Speaker 2>in the Muppets, like whoa, that was great, it was awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>it was alright, and it was okay. Well there's some

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<v Speaker 2>discossed bad thing. It's just like all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>they're just booing the person, you know, Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have to say though, first off, seventy three, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is wild to me to have an alert like

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<v Speaker 1>that sent out. No kidding about you, like whoa.

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<v Speaker 2>At seventy three, I'm just gonna be feeding ducks and

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<v Speaker 2>probably illegally fishing in a park in a pond or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you already do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sh just kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't, okay. And if an alert of that

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<v Speaker 1>matter is sent out, should maybe perhaps that person not

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<v Speaker 1>be just like locked in jail? You would think, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually don't get that alert whatsoever. It makes no

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<v Speaker 1>sense to me. Yeah, this whole case makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 2>When was that alert sent out? Sorry?

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<v Speaker 1>Two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 2>Two thousand and five, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Two thousand and five. So I just feel like, if

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<v Speaker 1>an alert has to be so just keep the person

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<v Speaker 1>in jail, for the love of God, please, Okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go through Gilbert's life and how it

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<v Speaker 1>came to be that an alert warning the public was

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<v Speaker 1>issued regarding him. Gilbert was born on December twelfth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one, in Vancouver, BC, the second son to be

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<v Speaker 1>born to Jack and Winnifred Elsie. His brother's name was Bud.

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<v Speaker 2>Little ditty about Jack and Winnifred Elsie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, we are too tired.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Around the time Gilbert and Bud's parents were separate or

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<v Speaker 1>holy shit, wow. Around the time Gilbert and Bud's parents

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<v Speaker 1>were separating, Gilbert dropped out of school in grade eight,

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<v Speaker 1>though their mother was still very much so a part

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<v Speaker 1>of the boy's life, they lived mostly with their father

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<v Speaker 1>growing up. It was said this was the case because

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<v Speaker 1>the boys wanted to stay in Vancouver to continue their education,

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<v Speaker 1>because as far as I know, the mom moved to

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<v Speaker 1>the island, and that their father made more money. Gilbert's

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<v Speaker 1>brother Bud said Gilbert was always closer to their mom.

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<v Speaker 1>He also mentioned an article that he wasn't aware of

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<v Speaker 1>any traumatic events that could have made Gilbert the way

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<v Speaker 2>Huh okay, Yeah, So most cases it's usually like there's

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<v Speaker 2>some history, but in this case, there's no indicating history

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<v Speaker 2>to point towards his future actions.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's one interesting noteworthy tippit, and that was that

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<v Speaker 1>the mother was a devote Methodist who did not believe

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<v Speaker 1>in the consumption of alcohol. Not a drop of booze

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<v Speaker 1>was allowed in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems like some fucking foreshadowing right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, because I'm just thinking like, sometimes when you're not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed something, it almost like makes you want it more, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh exactly. So if Gilbert phoned his mother while intoxicated,

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<v Speaker 1>she would hang up on him like I'm not fucking

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<v Speaker 1>talking to you. And Gilbert's alcohol stem back to his

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<v Speaker 1>teenage years. His brother stated he was probably an alcoholic

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<v Speaker 1>by the time he was twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, twenty's not like unreasonable to have something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>not that that's a good thing or like I'm aiming

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<v Speaker 2>and saying that, Oh yeah, you know, twenty year olds

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<v Speaker 2>are all alcoholics. But I mean when you get to

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<v Speaker 2>that age, it's like alcohol is a new thing and

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<v Speaker 2>you're exploring it. Kids drink a lot. I certainly know

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<v Speaker 2>around here where we were, in a northern city where

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing to fucking do, a lot of kids that

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<v Speaker 2>age are just partying hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like on the weekend and not like devouring

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<v Speaker 1>a bottle of vodka every fucking day.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a that's debatable.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>I know some people like that or new.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Anyway. His lengthy, lengthy, oh criminal record started in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty when Gilbert was only eighteen years old. He

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<v Speaker 1>was sentenced to twelve months in jail for the conviction

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<v Speaker 1>of theft, and it didn't get much better from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Throughout the nineteen fifties, his rap sheet would include breaking

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<v Speaker 1>and entering theft and numerous more auto thefts.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool, so he's just a big old bag of dicks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, sweet, like you don't even know. You don't even know.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, I've been halfway through this case with you already,

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<v Speaker 2>so well, actually I do know a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I do. Oh yeah, we're god already.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, we didn't get much further than this.

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<v Speaker 1>We got quite a bit further than this. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty one, Gilbert had a more serious charge against him

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<v Speaker 1>for the abduction of a five year old Indigenous girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. See that fucking gets me. That's that's fucking trash.

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<v Speaker 1>He was found in a gravel pit by police with

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<v Speaker 1>the girl in his car. He got off the charge

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<v Speaker 1>after a stay of proceedings was entered.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is fucking bullshit. You abduct a five year old.

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<v Speaker 1>Girl and it's just like that's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely absurd, it's absurd.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's just it's disgusting. Actually, yeah, like that's just

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<v Speaker 1>whoa like.

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<v Speaker 2>I yeah, sorry, I just you know how I am

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<v Speaker 2>when it's like law enforcement just looks the other way

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<v Speaker 2>and lets shit go. I know, like that that's what

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<v Speaker 2>fucking gets to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, have fun with this one, this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm sure I will.

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<v Speaker 1>The following years, he would be convicted of more theft

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<v Speaker 1>public intoxication.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, are you gonna explain this now? Why you're laughing?

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<v Speaker 1>Because the whole time when we were recording last time,

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<v Speaker 1>I kept just saying intoxification, Like what is intoxification? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I literally could not say intoxication.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because you're intoxificated.

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<v Speaker 1>When I wasn't. I was drinking water, but intoxific Now

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<v Speaker 1>that I've had soups of wine, I can say it. Okay, logic,

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<v Speaker 1>public intoxication after holding up traffic on the Lion Lionsgate

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<v Speaker 1>Bridge and threatening to jump off the.

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<v Speaker 2>Bridge, It'll let him.

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<v Speaker 1>Robbery, assault causing bodily harm, contempt of court after addressing

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<v Speaker 1>the magistrate with a Nazi salute, d bag and rape.

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<v Speaker 1>He never seemed to serve much time for any of

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<v Speaker 1>these incidents. Charges would either be withdrawn, acquitted, or he'd

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<v Speaker 1>serve a very short sentence in jail, like it is

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<v Speaker 1>infuriating what this guy gets away with, no kidding. From

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty five to nineteen eighty eight, he would be

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<v Speaker 1>linked to the deaths of upward of ten women, but

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<v Speaker 1>was only ever convicted for one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>And that again, absolute fucking bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we will be definitely going into more detail with

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<v Speaker 1>that his victims were Indigenous women of Vancouver's downtown east Side.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we talked a bit about the downtown Vancouver's east

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<v Speaker 1>Side when we are covering in the Robert Picton case.

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<v Speaker 1>But to refresh your memory, it essentially an area of

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<v Speaker 1>Vancouver that has been heavily stricken with drug addiction, overdoses, poverty, sex,

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<v Speaker 1>work disease, mental illness. It is unfortunately not a very

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<v Speaker 1>safe area, which I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, first and foremost, it's absolutely a shame that

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<v Speaker 2>the individuals in the area are going through that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of lifestyle and that sort of poverty. But then like

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<v Speaker 2>the secondary note that doesn't generally get talked about a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot is like that area of Vancouver. It's absolutely beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>You drive through there, it's a nice area. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, other than the poverty that's President's and that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of stuff. Yeah President not President. So you're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at a nice city with beautiful history and architecture and

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<v Speaker 2>all that sort of stuff in the area. So you

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<v Speaker 2>have people and the city that's just seeing hard times

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<v Speaker 2>and falling, and it's just an absolute shame.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's like to drive down the areas got wrenching,

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<v Speaker 1>really is. Robert's victim count was much higher than Gilbert's,

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<v Speaker 1>but they preyed on women in the same neighborhood and

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<v Speaker 1>the poor women in the area. With Robert's reign of

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<v Speaker 1>terror and Gilbert's their time slightly overlapped, so Robert's acts

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<v Speaker 1>were from nineteen seventy eight to two thousand and one

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<v Speaker 1>and Gilbert's nineteen sixty five to nineteen eighty eight. So really,

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of these women just didn't stand a chance.

427
00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is just like classic British Columbia, because there's

428
00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:37.559
<v Speaker 2>Indigenous women going missing left, right and fucking center for

429
00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:41.240
<v Speaker 2>whatever the reasons are, and the RCMP just look the

430
00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:41.680
<v Speaker 2>other way.

431
00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because really, when I said, like these women didn't

432
00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:47.240
<v Speaker 1>send a chance, I never even said that anything to

433
00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:49.720
<v Speaker 1>do with like the bias that the police had and

434
00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:54.480
<v Speaker 1>like letting these serial killers get away with what they

435
00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.480
<v Speaker 1>were getting away with for so fucking long. Yeah, like

436
00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:02.039
<v Speaker 1>that is long stints of time. Gilbert's mo would be

437
00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:05.240
<v Speaker 1>that he'd typically find women in bars, buy them drinks,

438
00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:09.480
<v Speaker 1>pay them for sex, and encourage them to continually drink

439
00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:13.079
<v Speaker 1>with him. When they passed out from the alcohol consumption,

440
00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:17.519
<v Speaker 1>they already consumed, Gilbert would essentially pour more booze down

441
00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:24.000
<v Speaker 1>their throats, resulting in extreme alcohol poisoning, and being that

442
00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the majority of his victims suffered from alcoholism, a reported

443
00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:31.319
<v Speaker 1>death with this cause didn't get the attention from the

444
00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:33.359
<v Speaker 1>placer required or deserved.

445
00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Just turning a blind eye and using that as their

446
00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:38.559
<v Speaker 2>fucking cover.

447
00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

448
00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:41.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you look at the Highway of Tears. It's like, oh,

449
00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:44.680
<v Speaker 2>these transient type women who go missing, Well, of course

450
00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:46.440
<v Speaker 2>they're going to go missing because they're out there hitch

451
00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:49.359
<v Speaker 2>hiking and stuff, and they'll show up eventually. They just

452
00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:52.880
<v Speaker 2>turn that fucking blind eye. So these women, it's like, oh,

453
00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:55.720
<v Speaker 2>they're alcoholics. Of course they're going to die of alcoholism.

454
00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:57.680
<v Speaker 2>It's like, not necessarily.

455
00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:01.599
<v Speaker 1>And meanwhile, there's these free, nasty motherfuckers out there that

456
00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:02.960
<v Speaker 1>are just like taking advantage.

457
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:04.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh, we have to praying on that wholeheart of it.

458
00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they know that they're just probably gonna get

459
00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:07.480
<v Speaker 1>away with it.

460
00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:07.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

461
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:12.759
<v Speaker 1>Although the newspapers often described the women as sex workers,

462
00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:16.279
<v Speaker 1>not all were involved in sex in sex work. The

463
00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:19.359
<v Speaker 1>first women known to have died in Gilbert's company from

464
00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:24.079
<v Speaker 1>alcohol poisoning was in nineteen sixty five. A switchboard operator

465
00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:28.880
<v Speaker 1>named Ivy Rose Alswald, who was found naked and dead

466
00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:34.680
<v Speaker 1>in a Vancouver hotel. Her blood alcohol level was point

467
00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:36.119
<v Speaker 1>five one.

468
00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:40.880
<v Speaker 2>That is ridiculous, like fucking holy.

469
00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Shit, So to exaggerate on that, I mean, I wasn't

470
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.000
<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent sure, like what exactly that meant? So

471
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:54.160
<v Speaker 1>sober like zero right, legally intoxicate and here we go

472
00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:59.559
<v Speaker 1>and is point zero eight? So meani, it's still legal

473
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:02.519
<v Speaker 1>for you to drive. And that number though, could be

474
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:04.480
<v Speaker 1>different in like other areas that don't be like oh,

475
00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:06.599
<v Speaker 1>waken Ingraham, they said, it's point zero eight.

476
00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, check your local laws before you go drinking and

477
00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:11.079
<v Speaker 2>driving or just don't drink, don't.

478
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So very impaired is point zero eight two point

479
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:20.000
<v Speaker 1>forty and this blood alcohol level you may have difficulty walking, speaking,

480
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:26.200
<v Speaker 1>me reading. Other symptoms may include confusion, nausea, and drowsiness.

481
00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:30.000
<v Speaker 1>And then above point four percent you are at risk

482
00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:33.759
<v Speaker 1>for serious complications. At this blood alcohol level you may

483
00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:37.240
<v Speaker 1>be at risk for coma or death. Like that is

484
00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:37.799
<v Speaker 1>freaking high.

485
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she was like a full percent of higher.

486
00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So she at point five to one was more

487
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:48.799
<v Speaker 1>than six times the legal limit for impaired driving like

488
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.000
<v Speaker 1>above crazy, which is a lot? Yeah, a lot?

489
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:54.400
<v Speaker 2>It's how much a lot?

490
00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh? I was just like you want me to go back.

491
00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:00.440
<v Speaker 1>No charges were laid against Gilbert for the death of

492
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Ivy Rose. The coroner's and CA inquery done on the

493
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:13.440
<v Speaker 1>body reported recent bruises on Ivy Roses, scalp, rose or nose. Sorry,

494
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:15.480
<v Speaker 1>there's lights outside that just really creeped me out. But

495
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:20.680
<v Speaker 1>hopefully it's just someone driving by. Hopefully we don't get

496
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:21.839
<v Speaker 1>accepted by aliens.

497
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:23.279
<v Speaker 2>What I don't know.

498
00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I just saw like flashing lights as trying to someone

499
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:25.720
<v Speaker 1>driving by.

500
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:27.799
<v Speaker 2>How much have you had to drink? Is that? Like?

501
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:29.480
<v Speaker 2>What is in that cup?

502
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I've had like two SIPs of old wine.

503
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>How old is that wine? Okay, it's not wine, it's

504
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:39.119
<v Speaker 2>just vodka.

505
00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So anyway, this poor woman had recent bruises on

506
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:50.119
<v Speaker 1>her scalp, nose, lips, and chin, but they were considered superficial.

507
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:54.279
<v Speaker 1>There was no evidence of violence or suspicion of foul play.

508
00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:57.680
<v Speaker 1>In fact, Gilbert was in the room and the one

509
00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:02.079
<v Speaker 1>who reported Ivy Roses deceased the morning he was found

510
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:05.400
<v Speaker 1>with many of Ivy Rose's belongings. I don't know if

511
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:07.160
<v Speaker 1>it was due to the fact of him just being

512
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.759
<v Speaker 1>in her room or if he had actually had some

513
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:13.039
<v Speaker 1>of her belongings like stowed away. But a charge of

514
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:16.559
<v Speaker 1>theft was considered, but later to be dean Or determined

515
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:20.039
<v Speaker 1>there was insufficient evidence, and Gilbert was released.

516
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:22.319
<v Speaker 2>Insufficient evidence.

517
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:28.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. I just feel like, if you're

518
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:30.119
<v Speaker 1>in the room with someone who had died with that

519
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.759
<v Speaker 1>high of levels, I mean like, I don't know.

520
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:38.319
<v Speaker 2>Playing Devil's advocate here, good luck proving that he forced

521
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:39.880
<v Speaker 2>booze down someone's throat though.

522
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, no, that's the that's the problem.

523
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

524
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:47.680
<v Speaker 1>So the only thing to come of this incident was

525
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Gilbert essentially learning how to get away with murder d

526
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:57.119
<v Speaker 1>d D. He wouldn't strike again in this way, however,

527
00:27:57.279 --> 00:28:02.119
<v Speaker 1>for many years. Shortly after Ivy murder, Gilbert actually went

528
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:05.799
<v Speaker 1>through the process to change his last name. His last

529
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.640
<v Speaker 1>name was Elsie, and he had changed it to Jordan.

530
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:13.039
<v Speaker 1>He did this due to the embarrassment that his him

531
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>having the last name of Elsie was causing his family.

532
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:19.359
<v Speaker 2>I'd be embarrassed to be fucking related to.

533
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>This guy too, yep, And some say that would also

534
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:26.359
<v Speaker 1>be the reason he didn't commit another murder for some time,

535
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>but he was also busy starting a career as a

536
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:34.720
<v Speaker 1>barber and getting married in nineteen seventy two. He actually

537
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:37.359
<v Speaker 1>married a Prince George woman.

538
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:42.039
<v Speaker 2>And here's where it gets close to home. That's our city.

539
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.319
<v Speaker 1>So when I first read Prince George, I had no

540
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>idea there was any correlation to this case. I had

541
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:51.240
<v Speaker 1>a total Will Smith moment, and I was like, keep

542
00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:55.559
<v Speaker 1>my city's name out of your fucking mouth. Wow, that

543
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>was actually went through my city, not or my brain.

544
00:28:58.240 --> 00:28:59.839
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, Oh, this's mad.

545
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.039
<v Speaker 2>You're just like, I'm just gonna just bit slap this

546
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:04.039
<v Speaker 2>whole fucking article.

547
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:07.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't want to be involved.

548
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow, he's just gonna pulk fucking Will Smith Chris Rock,

549
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>I see which I'm out.

550
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>But I honestly had no idea that he lived in

551
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Prince George for for a period of time, and he

552
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.359
<v Speaker 1>racked up even more charges in and around the area,

553
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>including but not limited to indecent exposure in Mackenzie in

554
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:31.799
<v Speaker 1>October of nineteen seventy three. You're good.

555
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:36.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he just reminded me like those the like the

556
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.319
<v Speaker 2>medicine commercials you see on TV. Where it's like so

557
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:42.279
<v Speaker 2>and so experimental medicine side effects may and clue but

558
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:46.160
<v Speaker 2>not limited to, nausea, vomiting, shitting yourself like falling asleep,

559
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:48.799
<v Speaker 2>or you walk like dying Like Jesus.

560
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have away with words, so in decent exposure

561
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>in Mackenzie in October of nineteen seventy three. He was

562
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:59.759
<v Speaker 1>convicted of drinking and driving in Prince George in February

563
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.079
<v Speaker 1>of nine, nineteen seventy four, in which he was fined

564
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>a hunter Bucks. Okay, I mean I guess the hunter

565
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.519
<v Speaker 1>Bucks would have been a bit more back then, but

566
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.319
<v Speaker 1>even still. In March of that same year, convicted of

567
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:14.799
<v Speaker 1>assault and convicted to two years less a day, but

568
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.599
<v Speaker 1>appealed the sentence or sorry, appealed and the sentence was

569
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:23.519
<v Speaker 1>reduced to six months. April nineteen seventy five, convicted in

570
00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:28.079
<v Speaker 1>Prince George of indecently assaulting a female. In October of

571
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:32.640
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy five, he was convicted of endangering the safety

572
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:37.400
<v Speaker 1>of an aircraft in flight. You look confused.

573
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I just had like a thought, if he indecently assaulted someone,

574
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:50.480
<v Speaker 2>that hences that you can decently assault someone. Oh gosh,

575
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:53.880
<v Speaker 2>like that that terminologies that just doesn't line up for me,

576
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.359
<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, I know what they're saying, but it's like.

577
00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:59.279
<v Speaker 1>But that's just there's no opposite.

578
00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:02.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like, how do you decently assault someone?

579
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, you don't. That's that's how you do it.

580
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I think the opposite in reality is just assault. In

581
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:13.400
<v Speaker 2>decent assault is probably like sexual assault, you know.

582
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, So this endangering the safety of an aircraft thing,

583
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>so that this was the flight that his wife was on,

584
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>who was in the process of getting the hell away.

585
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:30.319
<v Speaker 2>From him, oh snap.

586
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Because he abused the fuck out of her and she

587
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>was in and out of the hospital like repeatedly. So

588
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:40.359
<v Speaker 1>he phoned and said there was a bomb on the flight. Okay,

589
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>but because the flight had actually hadn't actually taken off yet,

590
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>the charge was successfully appealed. What no, yeah, are like

591
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:53.839
<v Speaker 1>nowadays you would just you would never be able to

592
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.079
<v Speaker 1>get right away with something like that. There's just no way.

593
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:57.079
<v Speaker 1>There's no way a.

594
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Bomb threat at all. That's you can't get away with

595
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:01.039
<v Speaker 2>the bomb.

596
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he did. Crown Counsel in Prince George attempted

597
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:12.200
<v Speaker 1>to have Gilbert declared a dangerous sexual offender. I mean,

598
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:15.640
<v Speaker 1>in the span of nine months, he had two incidents

599
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:19.279
<v Speaker 1>where he tried to force himself on a female and

600
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 1>that indecent exposure I mentioned in Mackenzie. Yeah, that was

601
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:25.240
<v Speaker 1>with children, was it?

602
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:26.759
<v Speaker 2>Are you fucking kidding? No?

603
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:30.319
<v Speaker 1>He apparently invited them over to watch TV, but instead

604
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>exposed himself to them.

605
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:33.920
<v Speaker 2>This fucking douche connect.

606
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>That's freaking disgusting.

607
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

608
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.359
<v Speaker 1>If he was declared guilty of this, he would have

609
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:44.200
<v Speaker 1>been locked up indefinitely. The judge, however, ruled that he

610
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>was not a dangerous sexual offender and unlikely to commit

611
00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>further violent acts.

612
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.319
<v Speaker 2>Wow, this guy's fucking useless. Like, fuck, this guy like

613
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.440
<v Speaker 2>he's more useless than like a blockbuster fucking gift card.

614
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.559
<v Speaker 2>Looks that's how useless he is.

615
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I would have some uses for that, but I

616
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:07.599
<v Speaker 1>don't have any uses for him exactly.

617
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:09.119
<v Speaker 2>He's more useless than that.

618
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:16.119
<v Speaker 1>So this's it's laughable because Gilbert was just getting started.

619
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, he was one hundred and ten percent just

620
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:24.279
<v Speaker 1>getting started. Only three months later, on February twenty first,

621
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:30.240
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy seven, Gilbert drove to a psychiatric hospital in Edmonton,

622
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:35.039
<v Speaker 1>claimed to be a doctor, and left with a female patient,

623
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:39.160
<v Speaker 1>a forty seven year old woman who had the mental

624
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:45.960
<v Speaker 1>capacity of someone between the ages of eight and ten. No, no, yep,

625
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:52.599
<v Speaker 1>no like disturbing. She wasn't found for three days. Gilbert

626
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:58.119
<v Speaker 1>was charged with rape, sexual intercourse with a feeble minded, kidnapping,

627
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:03.759
<v Speaker 1>abduction of a female intent, gross indecency, theft over two

628
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:07.200
<v Speaker 1>hundred an assault causing bodily harm.

629
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.519
<v Speaker 2>This is fucking disturbing, holy.

630
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Shit, due to the distress it may cause the woman.

631
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:17.599
<v Speaker 1>She did not take the stand at trial, so therefore

632
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:23.119
<v Speaker 1>no supporting evidence was heard. It was agreed that Gilbert

633
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:27.079
<v Speaker 1>would plead guilty to the assault charge if sentenced to

634
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>time already served, which was twenty six months, and on

635
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:35.880
<v Speaker 1>the basis a dangerous sexual offender application would not be pursued.

636
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.559
<v Speaker 2>What would not be pursued?

637
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he learned from that last one. Let's not

638
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.639
<v Speaker 1>try to get into that again. He might not have

639
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:47.800
<v Speaker 1>been so lucky, right.

640
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, Okay, because this is the sort of shit

641
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:54.840
<v Speaker 2>that fucking bugs me When shit could have been prevented.

642
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:57.559
<v Speaker 2>When someone turns and looks the other way and makes

643
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:01.000
<v Speaker 2>a decision like this, this what fucking bugs me.

644
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, like, yeah, he just destroyed people's lives and like

645
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:09.960
<v Speaker 1>the victims, I mean they died, and then like just

646
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.639
<v Speaker 1>think of the surrounding people, right, like their loved ones

647
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.159
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, like he just destroyed so many lives.

648
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and it's a ripple effect, like you say,

649
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:19.119
<v Speaker 2>it just goes outwards to other people. Yep.

650
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:23.440
<v Speaker 1>So the Vancouver's Son did a special report on Gilbert

651
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:27.400
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty eight and had a bulleted list of

652
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:31.719
<v Speaker 1>his convictions and offenses from nineteen fifty two to nineteen

653
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:38.440
<v Speaker 1>eighty seven. Forty three bullets, forty three things that this

654
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:39.280
<v Speaker 1>motherfucker did.

655
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:43.440
<v Speaker 2>So this was in what year, nineteen eighty so just.

656
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:46.480
<v Speaker 1>From nineteen fifty two to nineteen eighty seven, like this okay.

657
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:48.760
<v Speaker 2>But it was bulleted in nineteen eighty seven in the paper.

658
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:51.119
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty eight. Yeah, they had written and there

659
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 1>was literally forty three bullets of like shit that he

660
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:54.880
<v Speaker 1>had done wrong.

661
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>So there's already this in the paper in nineteen eighty eight,

662
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.360
<v Speaker 2>when in two thousand and five, the very first bulletin

663
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:05.800
<v Speaker 2>you read to us, there's another one put out with

664
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:06.760
<v Speaker 2>a public warning.

665
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well we'll just get into this here.

666
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Like what what did the.

667
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Like it's amazing. Some people just get away like I

668
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:20.719
<v Speaker 1>don't understand because that was forty three bullets did not

669
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:24.320
<v Speaker 1>even list many of the offenses, including the deaths that

670
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:27.840
<v Speaker 1>he committed and got away with the like that we're

671
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>just about to discuss here.

672
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, all right, okay?

673
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:37.519
<v Speaker 1>So Mary Johnson November thirtieth, nineteen eighty died at the

674
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.440
<v Speaker 1>age of forty two with a blood alcohol level of

675
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:45.119
<v Speaker 1>point three four. A week prior to Mary's death, she

676
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:48.159
<v Speaker 1>had notified her sister in law she believed someone wanted

677
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:51.599
<v Speaker 1>to kill her. The sister in law notified the police

678
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:55.280
<v Speaker 1>of this, but nothing was done, and an inquiry at

679
00:36:55.280 --> 00:37:02.239
<v Speaker 1>the time concluded Mary's death was unnatural and accidental. Less

680
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:06.920
<v Speaker 1>than a year later, Barbara Paul would find herself in

681
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Gilbert's presence. It was September eleventh, nineteen eighty one, and

682
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Barbara died at the age of twenty seven with a

683
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:18.840
<v Speaker 1>blood alcohol level of point four three. Deemed that Barbara

684
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:22.599
<v Speaker 1>was most likely a chronic alcoholic. Her death was deemed

685
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.960
<v Speaker 1>unnatural and accidental.

686
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:26.199
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

687
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Again. Not even a year later, Mary John's would pass

688
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:36.760
<v Speaker 1>away on July thirtieth, nineteen eighty two. Her death was

689
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:41.440
<v Speaker 1>a bit different in that she died in Gilbert's barber shop.

690
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:46.599
<v Speaker 1>In the early nineteen eighties, Gilbert operated a lease barber

691
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:50.159
<v Speaker 1>shop at two five zero three Kinsway in Vancouver called

692
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.800
<v Speaker 1>the Slocan Barber Shop. I posted a photo of it

693
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:57.599
<v Speaker 1>on Instagram. Mary's blood alcohol level was enough to kill

694
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:01.320
<v Speaker 1>her twice at point seven to six.

695
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

696
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:07.280
<v Speaker 1>The corner deemed there was no indication of foul play

697
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:11.159
<v Speaker 1>and noted she had been drinking quality alcohol the previous

698
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:14.960
<v Speaker 1>evening with the friend Gilbert. He said, it's my feeling

699
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:19.920
<v Speaker 1>that she ingested an immense quality of alcohol without realizing

700
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.000
<v Speaker 1>the lethal potentiality of it.

701
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:29.000
<v Speaker 2>That much. I highly doubt that. But what about maybe

702
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, looking back on Gilbert's record and seeing

703
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.840
<v Speaker 2>that maybe he was also involved in someone dying with

704
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.440
<v Speaker 2>a unusually high blood alcohol level.

705
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe not involved with but this, like that would

706
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:42.599
<v Speaker 1>have been the fourth one.

707
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like why hello?

708
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I mean yeah, like it doesn't make any sense,

709
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.039
<v Speaker 1>like this shit's happening in the same city and stuff.

710
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:55.199
<v Speaker 2>Too, right, But with those other ones, was he present

711
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:58.679
<v Speaker 2>or actually like a lot of it too at that

712
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:00.079
<v Speaker 2>time when they were occurring though.

713
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a lot of them, Like he was present, Oh really, Like, yeah,

714
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.960
<v Speaker 1>he would be, or he would have get his lawyer

715
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.239
<v Speaker 1>involved and they would like go tell to notify the

716
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:14.239
<v Speaker 1>police and stuff. But they always had some concoction, like

717
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:17.039
<v Speaker 1>he was really really good at lying, like really good.

718
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But it doesn't matter how good at lying you

719
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.679
<v Speaker 2>are when year after year you turn up with oh,

720
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.199
<v Speaker 2>I was drinking with this person and they died of

721
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:26.280
<v Speaker 2>alcohol poisoning.

722
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:29.159
<v Speaker 1>And then oh, I was drinking with this person they

723
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:29.760
<v Speaker 1>also died.

724
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh I was also drinking with this person and they

725
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:35.960
<v Speaker 2>also died of alcohol poisoning. Yeah, that's a little bit

726
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:39.880
<v Speaker 2>fucking suspicious. Once as an accident, twice as a coincidence,

727
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:43.239
<v Speaker 2>three times. Uh uh, shit's going wrong for sure.

728
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh I agree, I really agree. So before Gilbert's next

729
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:51.880
<v Speaker 1>murder was committed, he would find himself getting married once again.

730
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:54.639
<v Speaker 1>I was fine, It blows my fucking mind all these

731
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:58.599
<v Speaker 1>people be getting married. But anyway, people like this are

732
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.599
<v Speaker 1>usually master manipulating. I know, I know, it does make sense.

733
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I just it doesn't. It does, it doesn't.

734
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:05.239
<v Speaker 2>So, not.

735
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:10.039
<v Speaker 1>Surprisingly, it was a very short marriage four and a

736
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:13.480
<v Speaker 1>half months. This is wild what I'm about to tell you.

737
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.840
<v Speaker 1>One particular evening, Gilbert brought a woman home with him.

738
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 1>They were both very intoxificate. Oh my god, I don't

739
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.519
<v Speaker 1>know what is with that intoxicated.

740
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:31.000
<v Speaker 2>They were both married oxificated. What is up with me?

741
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:34.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting it mixed up with something and I don't

742
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.400
<v Speaker 1>even know what. But he's getting mixed up with intoxic

743
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:42.719
<v Speaker 1>It's really hilarious. Okay, his wife, you gotta listen here, baby, I'm.

744
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Trying, but I'm still laughing at intoxificated.

745
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:49.239
<v Speaker 1>His wife obviously didn't want this woman in her house

746
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and asked her to leave, and instead of leaving, though,

747
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:56.639
<v Speaker 1>she grabs a kitchen knife and threatens to attack Gilbert's

748
00:40:56.679 --> 00:41:02.159
<v Speaker 1>wife in her own home. Gilbert the whole time denied

749
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:05.400
<v Speaker 1>she was even his wife and said she was just

750
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:06.440
<v Speaker 1>the cleaning lady.

751
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. Wow, all right.

752
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>His wife fled to the bathroom to avoid being attacked,

753
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.239
<v Speaker 1>and when it was finally quiet, she exited the bathroom

754
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>only to witness her husband having sex with this women,

755
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:23.639
<v Speaker 1>this woman in their bed.

756
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

757
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Gilbert later tried to reconcile with his wife, but the

758
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:34.079
<v Speaker 1>damage was done. He was most certainly not marriage material.

759
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:39.039
<v Speaker 1>No kidding like that is so disturbing, beyond anything I've

760
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Speaker 1>ever read, Well, I've read pretty shitty things actually, but

761
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:44.440
<v Speaker 1>like in a marriage, Oh, she's just my cleaning lady.

762
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:46.559
<v Speaker 1>And then she has to go and hide in her

763
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:48.760
<v Speaker 1>own home and then she comes out and you're you're

764
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:51.559
<v Speaker 1>like fucking someone, Yeah, Like is that a joke.

765
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:54.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm just gonna throw the obvious out here.

766
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:56.800
<v Speaker 2>There's cheating. He's clearly cheating on it, right, that's fucking bad.

767
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:01.960
<v Speaker 2>But in the moment where his wife is fucking terrified

768
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:05.719
<v Speaker 2>for her life and he decides I'm horny and I'm

769
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:07.480
<v Speaker 2>going to fuck some chick in the next room.

770
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:11.280
<v Speaker 1>It's so disturbing to me, Like it makes me sick. Yeah,

771
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:16.760
<v Speaker 1>so sick. It wasn't until December fifteenth, nineteen eighty four,

772
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Gilbert would strike again again at the barber shop. Patricia

773
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Thomas was found after Gilbert called her death in. She

774
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:28.840
<v Speaker 1>was forty years old with a blood alcohol level of

775
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:33.960
<v Speaker 1>point five to one jeez. An inquiry into the indigenous

776
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.360
<v Speaker 1>woman's death reported she drank enough to pass out, then

777
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:41.280
<v Speaker 1>apparently woke up and continued drinking until she passed out

778
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:45.960
<v Speaker 1>once again. An autopsy was done was also done because

779
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:51.360
<v Speaker 1>of external evidence of recent trauma, but were deemed relatively

780
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:54.000
<v Speaker 1>trivial and could have been the result of a fall

781
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:59.320
<v Speaker 1>while intoxific and oh my god, intoxicated again. You're not

782
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:03.320
<v Speaker 1>going to live this again. Death was classified as unnatural

783
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:07.039
<v Speaker 1>and accidental. Did you even hear anything?

784
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I just said no, I did not hear the last sentence.

785
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:11.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry.

786
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're gonna move on to this, this next one.

787
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I think before we yes, I want to talk about

788
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:17.840
<v Speaker 1>this next one before we chat.

789
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it real quick. The death was deemed accidental, you said.

790
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Right, accidental and unnatural.

791
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay.

792
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:28.119
<v Speaker 1>In June of the following year, Patricia Andrew. So this

793
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:30.159
<v Speaker 1>is two Patricia's in a row here. I think we

794
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:33.800
<v Speaker 1>have Yep. She was a mother of four, passed away

795
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:38.159
<v Speaker 1>again at the barber shop. So this is three at the.

796
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Barber shop, at the barber shop, only.

797
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 1>His place work. Yeah, this place of work. Her blood

798
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:47.239
<v Speaker 1>alcohol level was point seventy nine. Experts say she would

799
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:51.480
<v Speaker 1>have had to drink one point one three six milliwaiters

800
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:55.960
<v Speaker 1>or forty ounces of hard liquor all at once to

801
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:57.039
<v Speaker 1>get that kind of reading.

802
00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, So she down to forty.

803
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.559
<v Speaker 1>Apparently, that's what they think, being that Patricia's heart and

804
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:08.280
<v Speaker 1>liver showed chronic alcohol abuse. You guessed it. Her death

805
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:10.840
<v Speaker 1>was deemed unnatural and accidental.

806
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. Okay, no one's asking these questions yet.

807
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.239
<v Speaker 1>See, because I find it very weird that it's like

808
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:20.639
<v Speaker 1>three of them are at like his workplace. Yeah, like

809
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:24.840
<v Speaker 1>that's messed. Yeah, I don't know. I mean I don't

810
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:28.639
<v Speaker 1>feel like people die of alcohol poisoning very much, do they?

811
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:31.039
<v Speaker 1>Not that often?

812
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean it happens, yeah, but extreme with.

813
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.440
<v Speaker 1>That high, Like that's almost someone's doing that to you.

814
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:41.760
<v Speaker 2>And then for it to happen at a single fucking barbershop,

815
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:43.480
<v Speaker 2>and then when it's not at that barber shop but

816
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:47.280
<v Speaker 2>that same dude who owns the barbershop as present. Uh,

817
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:50.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but you might want to look into that.

818
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Shit because we have more. On September twenty fifth, nineteen

819
00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:00.119
<v Speaker 1>eighty six, Valmadoro Gibbons was Gilbert's next victim. She was

820
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:02.599
<v Speaker 1>thirty eight and died with a point six y three

821
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:06.800
<v Speaker 1>blood alcohol rating. Her estranged husband was to pick her

822
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>up from pick her up from downtown Vancouver and bring

823
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:12.800
<v Speaker 1>her to their once shared Burnaby home, as she had

824
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.639
<v Speaker 1>a birthday gift for their twelve year old son, but

825
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:19.880
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't waiting for him in the lobby where she'd

826
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:23.760
<v Speaker 1>been living. Instead, she was found in a room other

827
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:27.079
<v Speaker 1>than her own, with no money, even though she would

828
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.159
<v Speaker 1>have just cashed her wel for check, and no liquor

829
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:36.239
<v Speaker 1>other than Chinese cooking wine, which wasn't something she would drink. Huh.

830
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Veronica Harry was Gilbert's next victim, and she passed away

831
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:46.199
<v Speaker 1>at the Clifton Hotel in a room Gilbert rented. Of course,

832
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:50.440
<v Speaker 1>it was November nineteenth, nineteen eighty six, so less than

833
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:54.599
<v Speaker 1>two months since his last victim. Gilbert said they had

834
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:58.280
<v Speaker 1>been drinking together for two days. Her blood alcohol level

835
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:02.119
<v Speaker 1>was actually only point zero four, but as always, he

836
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:02.960
<v Speaker 1>got away with it.

837
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Of course, that's still a high number.

838
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Well that's you could drive it that though.

839
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Point zero four point zero four point four. Sorry my mistake.

840
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:19.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Vanessa Lee Buckner would be Gilbert's next victim on

841
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:24.960
<v Speaker 1>October twelfth, nineteen eighty seven, and this death would thankfully

842
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:26.079
<v Speaker 1>change the story.

843
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

844
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Vanessa was similarly found dead and naked on the floor

845
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:37.119
<v Speaker 1>after spending a night with Gilbert. She had just given

846
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:42.039
<v Speaker 1>birth to a daughter two weeks prior, which is absolutely heartbreaking.

847
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:42.760
<v Speaker 2>No kidding.

848
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:47.400
<v Speaker 1>She was of mixed white European and black African roots,

849
00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:51.920
<v Speaker 1>so non indigenous as his other victims were. Her blood

850
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:57.599
<v Speaker 1>alcohol level was the highest yet, at a whopping point

851
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:06.079
<v Speaker 1>nine to one. Holy fuck, Like what yeah, yeah.

852
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:06.480
<v Speaker 2>How is that even possible?

853
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:10.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know. Her family pressed the police to

854
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:14.239
<v Speaker 1>investigate further. They had apparently just spoken to her earlier

855
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:18.000
<v Speaker 1>that day, and they said she seemed really good and

856
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:21.199
<v Speaker 1>was talking about her baby. They did not believe that

857
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:24.599
<v Speaker 1>she had a drinking problem. Though she may not have

858
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:28.119
<v Speaker 1>had a drinking problem, some reports say she was a

859
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:31.280
<v Speaker 1>user of various drugs and that she had lost custody

860
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:33.800
<v Speaker 1>of her newborn baby, who had been born with a

861
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:39.719
<v Speaker 1>drug dependency. Sorry. Either way, it was her death and

862
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:42.920
<v Speaker 1>that high of a rating that led police, like the

863
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.679
<v Speaker 1>point ninety one sorry, yeah, that led police to begin

864
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:49.719
<v Speaker 1>their investigation into similar alcohol related deaths.

865
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Took them long enough.

866
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:55.400
<v Speaker 1>It took shit so fucking long. That is so long, Like, I.

867
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Don't understand how someone can get to point nine. That

868
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:02.880
<v Speaker 2>is absolutely absurd. So the fact that they finally said, hmm,

869
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:04.199
<v Speaker 2>that's unusually high.

870
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's fucking.

871
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Scary in itself, because point five point four. That's all

872
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:13.760
<v Speaker 2>unusually high. Okay, maybe point four because that's like where

873
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.679
<v Speaker 2>you start to fucking die. Yeah, Okay, maybe I can

874
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:18.840
<v Speaker 2>see that, but we've had point five. I think you

875
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:20.840
<v Speaker 2>said point six. Definitely a point seven.

876
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Think there's a point seven.

877
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they haven't questioned those that's just uh alcoholism.

878
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:27.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I said it in the intro because

879
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:29.840
<v Speaker 1>like we'll get there a little bit, but I don't

880
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.679
<v Speaker 1>really talk about it. But like he they'd be passing

881
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:36.199
<v Speaker 1>out and he would literally like wake them up, and

882
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:38.039
<v Speaker 1>he put all his body weight on them and pretty

883
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:41.800
<v Speaker 1>much strangle them and shove like a bottle into their

884
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>mouth and just let it drain. Yeah, holy shit, Like

885
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:49.280
<v Speaker 1>that's disturbing. Actually, and I didn't put in here, but

886
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty I'm pretty sure that it was Vanessa that

887
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:59.679
<v Speaker 1>like she was barfing up black bile or something too. Okay, like,

888
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.159
<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, because and a lot of these deaths too,

889
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:05.119
<v Speaker 1>like it was that they were they would actually be

890
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:09.239
<v Speaker 1>like a fixiation because like they're they're puking, but at

891
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:13.719
<v Speaker 1>that high of alcohol level, apparently your reflexes don't work properly,

892
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.519
<v Speaker 1>and so you're just like drowning. I guess with your people.

893
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you drown your own puke.

894
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:22.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh God, Like, that's just terrible.

895
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:24.440
<v Speaker 2>And I would assume they're probably drowning on a lot

896
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:27.960
<v Speaker 2>of alcohol. Toubing yeah, down throat yeah.

897
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:34.199
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, the police were not moving quick enough and there

898
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:35.760
<v Speaker 1>would be one more casualty.

899
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:36.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh fuck.

900
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:41.840
<v Speaker 1>On November ninth, nineteen eighty seven, Edna Shade was found

901
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:46.199
<v Speaker 1>dead in another hotel. She was nicknamed Auntie for the

902
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:50.360
<v Speaker 1>kindness she would show to young sex workers. She was

903
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:54.440
<v Speaker 1>found naked with a blood alcohol rating of point twelve.

904
00:49:56.000 --> 00:50:01.880
<v Speaker 1>On November sixteenth, Gilbert was placed under surveill they'd watch

905
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:06.159
<v Speaker 1>Gilbert search the streets and bars of the downtown east

906
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Side and take various Indigenous women to hotel rooms. On

907
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:14.960
<v Speaker 1>one occasion, police were ease dropping from an adjacent room

908
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:19.199
<v Speaker 1>and could hear Gilbert saying to the victim, have a

909
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:23.119
<v Speaker 1>drink down the hatch, baby, twenty bucks if you drink

910
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:29.559
<v Speaker 1>it right now, like disturbing yep. During this period that

911
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:34.000
<v Speaker 1>they were watching him, they saved four women from similar

912
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:38.719
<v Speaker 1>fates as the others, and arrested Gilbert for the murder

913
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:40.760
<v Speaker 1>of Vanessa Buckner.

914
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:45.199
<v Speaker 2>And finally they were able to start string and shit together.

915
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Gilbert was the first known Canadian to use alcohol as

916
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:54.519
<v Speaker 1>a murder weapon. Initially charged with the first degree murder,

917
00:50:55.000 --> 00:51:00.000
<v Speaker 1>which was changed to manslaughter before his trial started. Gilbert

918
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.400
<v Speaker 1>was found guilty for the death of Vanessa Buckner and

919
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:09.400
<v Speaker 1>sentenced to fifteen years in prison, which was later reduced

920
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:14.280
<v Speaker 1>to nine years on appeal. And what Gilbert actually ended

921
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:20.519
<v Speaker 1>up serving was six years. Huh And he was only

922
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:22.599
<v Speaker 1>ever tried for that one murder?

923
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, like you said, he was only tried for the.

924
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:29.280
<v Speaker 1>One Okay, yeah, Like I don't I don't get that.

925
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Okay, cool, No, that's not cool. Fuck all right, sorry,

926
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:35.880
<v Speaker 2>emotional roller coaster right now.

927
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:40.079
<v Speaker 1>So after his nineteen ninety four release, he was placed

928
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:44.239
<v Speaker 1>on a three year probation with heavy restrictions. But in

929
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:50.360
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven, Gilbert was a freeman, a freeman to

930
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:55.960
<v Speaker 1>keep reoffending until the day he died. I'm not going

931
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:57.639
<v Speaker 1>to go on a shit ton of detail here because

932
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.679
<v Speaker 1>I found it actually ridiculously hard to find exactly what

933
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:04.960
<v Speaker 1>he did once released from prison after serving that manslaughter charge.

934
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I feel like people probably just gave up on him

935
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:11.639
<v Speaker 1>at that point. I mean, it's pretty fucked up, like

936
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:14.480
<v Speaker 1>how what he gets away with, like it's actually anger

937
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:19.280
<v Speaker 1>it anger it angers me. But it was very obvious

938
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:24.599
<v Speaker 1>that he consistently reoffended and was consistently in and out

939
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:28.639
<v Speaker 1>of jail for breaking his probation. In August of two

940
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:31.880
<v Speaker 1>thousand and four, after he'd done an immense amount of shit,

941
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Gilbert was arrested in las Or one last time in Winnipeg.

942
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Two days prior, he was identified as being at a

943
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:44.360
<v Speaker 1>party in Swift Current, Saskatchewan, binge drinking with Barb Berkeley.

944
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Barb was a long term resident of the hotel they

945
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:51.360
<v Speaker 1>were partying at and had a serious drinking problem. Barb

946
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.920
<v Speaker 1>had to be taken a hospital by a friend, a

947
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.880
<v Speaker 1>and hotel employee after being found in bad condition.

948
00:52:59.039 --> 00:52:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Did she survive?

949
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:04.320
<v Speaker 1>She did survive, Thank God. He would later be acquitted

950
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:09.079
<v Speaker 1>of the charges, and upon his release, police issued that

951
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:11.480
<v Speaker 1>public warning I read at the beginning of the podcast.

952
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Thankfully low that warning wasn't necessarily needed because Gilbert died

953
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the following year in two thousand and six.

954
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Good riddance.

955
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to finish off with a quote, just in

956
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:26.840
<v Speaker 1>case you didn't think Gilbert was a complete piece of

957
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:27.519
<v Speaker 1>shit already.

958
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm pretty sure we do.

959
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:33.639
<v Speaker 1>At one point, he did an interview with a Vancouver

960
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Sun reporter saying that the woman whose deaths he had

961
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:42.639
<v Speaker 1>been linked to were all on their last legs. I

962
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:45.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't give a damn who I was drinking with. I mean,

963
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:48.199
<v Speaker 1>we're all dying sooner or later, whether it's in the bar,

964
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:53.280
<v Speaker 1>across the street, or wherever. Gilbert was a man with

965
00:53:53.320 --> 00:54:00.119
<v Speaker 1>no remorse for the damages he caused and lives he took.

966
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. I like doing that.

967
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:08.119
<v Speaker 2>So assuming his sentence that he just urs his statement

968
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:11.920
<v Speaker 2>that he said saying we're all dying anyways, I mean

969
00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:15.440
<v Speaker 2>that's true, true, So assuming we're taking the truth out

970
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:20.280
<v Speaker 2>of his statement, we're all dying anyways, right, that doesn't

971
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:25.039
<v Speaker 2>give you the right to take away someone's last moments

972
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:30.000
<v Speaker 2>on earth, or last years, whatever, last breath. It's not

973
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:34.679
<v Speaker 2>yours to take. That person might stop drinking tomorrow, that

974
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:37.960
<v Speaker 2>person might even continue drinking, but they might save someone

975
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:40.679
<v Speaker 2>else's life, they might have an impact, they might have

976
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:42.559
<v Speaker 2>more to give, they might have more to live for.

977
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:45.719
<v Speaker 2>It's not yours to fucking take whether we're all going

978
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:47.000
<v Speaker 2>to die or not.

979
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Wow, ben fuck him. Way to give us all goosebumps. Yeah,

980
00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:57.039
<v Speaker 1>it's sad. This case is unbelievable, and I actually can't

981
00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:58.840
<v Speaker 1>believe that I haven't really heard much more of it,

982
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:02.360
<v Speaker 1>being that it's so close to home. But wow, well

983
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:07.679
<v Speaker 1>I is a mofo piece of shit. That's how I'm

984
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:11.480
<v Speaker 1>ending this podcast. But he was just disgusting. Honestly, I

985
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:15.800
<v Speaker 1>was listening to a podcast about this prior to I

986
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:18.840
<v Speaker 1>sometimes just do that, and I was just freaking livid,

987
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:21.400
<v Speaker 1>like the amount of time I was in my car

988
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.280
<v Speaker 1>and just be like no, like you have to be

989
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:26.239
<v Speaker 1>kidding me, because it's like I can't believe he just

990
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:28.719
<v Speaker 1>time and time and time and time got away with

991
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:29.360
<v Speaker 1>this stuff.

992
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's malarkey.

993
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:32.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's unbelievable.

994
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay, so thank you for putting us to that

995
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:37.119
<v Speaker 2>roller coaster.

996
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:37.639
<v Speaker 1>You're welcome.

997
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:43.880
<v Speaker 2>It was not fun. Fuck this dude. RCMP needs to

998
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:46.960
<v Speaker 2>They've improved, don't.

999
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I feel like they have improved?

1000
00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, past British Columbian RCMP IF in nineteen seventy eighties, nineties,

1001
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:59.159
<v Speaker 2>RCMPR listening to this right now, get your shit together

1002
00:55:59.159 --> 00:55:59.719
<v Speaker 2>in the future.

1003
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, there was some serial killers at that time

1004
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:08.760
<v Speaker 1>that got Lewis and shouldn't have Yeah.

1005
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, yeah that was not fun. Thank you?

1006
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Wow, what the heck? Thanks a little hut. It was

1007
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:14.639
<v Speaker 1>ruined everyone's day.

1008
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Hey, actually I just got it right before I we

1009
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.280
<v Speaker 2>went and recorded this, I got a message from from

1010
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Jeff actually regarding last podcast episode. I got a lot

1011
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:29.039
<v Speaker 2>of flak for the last episode, even though it was

1012
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:32.800
<v Speaker 2>voted on by some patrons, because it was disturbing as fuck,

1013
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:36.039
<v Speaker 2>and Jeff had this to say, also, your last episode

1014
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:38.159
<v Speaker 2>I listened to, I had to take my EarPods out. Man,

1015
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:42.280
<v Speaker 2>almost fucking puked. So I'm pretty sure.

1016
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:44.679
<v Speaker 1>What was that one? The elevator the elevator one?

1017
00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, so I'm pretty sure we're actually yeah, we're

1018
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:52.920
<v Speaker 2>not just delivering bad information this time or last time.

1019
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Some reason. That did affect me, but it didn't like

1020
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I literally the next day wrote a fucking elevator like

1021
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:01.039
<v Speaker 1>and I'm kind of like, wow, that's really crazy.

1022
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:03.840
<v Speaker 2>But you also posted a story on Instagram with fear

1023
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:04.559
<v Speaker 2>in your eyes.

1024
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:07.519
<v Speaker 1>Well the fear was actually more so because there was

1025
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:09.159
<v Speaker 1>someone that came in the elevator with me and I

1026
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:10.400
<v Speaker 1>had to do that in front.

1027
00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Of someone gotcha.

1028
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:16.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Oh but yeah, no, I mean yeah, yeah, I

1029
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.679
<v Speaker 1>mean yeah, that one was wild too. They're all wild.

1030
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:20.239
<v Speaker 1>They're all just wild in the wrong way.

1031
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:23.320
<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to find three more wild cases and

1032
00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to put it up on Patreon for our

1033
00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:28.960
<v Speaker 2>patrons to vote on right on for our next episode.

1034
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:30.480
<v Speaker 2>So if you want to have that, say, head over

1035
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:32.960
<v Speaker 2>to Patreon, keep an eye open. In the next couple

1036
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:35.000
<v Speaker 2>of days, you'll have your chance to vote on what

1037
00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:36.440
<v Speaker 2>the next case is going to be.

1038
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:38.239
<v Speaker 1>Boom. Yeah, that's fun.

1039
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:40.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't forget to go ahead and give us a

1040
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:43.800
<v Speaker 2>review on Spotify your Apple podcast. It really helps us

1041
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:46.920
<v Speaker 2>out and boosts the algorithm to really show our podcast

1042
00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:47.360
<v Speaker 2>to other.

1043
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:49.239
<v Speaker 1>People and our confidence.

1044
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Exactly and the confidence check us out on Instagram, Facebook.

1045
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:59.159
<v Speaker 2>We got a Twitter, Twitter, Yeah, and we got a

1046
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:01.039
<v Speaker 2>blog in our website. We got to post another blog

1047
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:01.719
<v Speaker 2>here pretty quick.

1048
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Sweet.

1049
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:02.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1050
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:05.599
<v Speaker 1>So until next time, hey, stay wicked.