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<v Speaker 6>your host journalist and author Dan Zupanski, Good Evening.

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<v Speaker 7>Greed, arrogance, and lust led Robert Anderson to kill his

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<v Speaker 7>wife of nearly twenty years. He was a pillar of

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<v Speaker 7>the community. He owned four service Master franchises. He was

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<v Speaker 7>a Kiwanist member and former president, and a former teacher

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<v Speaker 7>and athletic director at Salem High scho The combination of

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<v Speaker 7>his love for money and infatuation with a younger girl

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<v Speaker 7>led him to the brutal beating of his wife and

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<v Speaker 7>subsequent attempt to frame an employee and former student. The

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<v Speaker 7>death of his wife in Lawrence, Massachusetts, was considered an

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<v Speaker 7>extreme act of rage and was initially attributed to the

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<v Speaker 7>violence that was pervasive in the city at the time.

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<v Speaker 7>The homicide was subsequently compared to the murder of Carol

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<v Speaker 7>Stewart by her husband Charles Stewart five years earlier in Boston.

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<v Speaker 7>That Stuart murder was also initially attributed to the violence

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<v Speaker 7>of the city. Follow investigators from three agencies as they

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<v Speaker 7>followed the evidence and tracked their quarry. In the end,

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<v Speaker 7>justice reigned. The book they were featuring this evening is

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<v Speaker 7>Murder Outside the back Door, The true story of the

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<v Speaker 7>murder of a popular Salem, New Hampshire teacher by her husband,

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<v Speaker 7>the murder labeled as a Charles Stewart copycat. With my

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<v Speaker 7>special guest author John Tumasi.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, how you doing and thanks for having me. I

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed his podas, thank you so much for joining me

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<v Speaker 2>with this Murder.

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<v Speaker 7>Outside the back Door. Let's get right to this. February fourth,

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<v Speaker 7>nineteen eighty four. Detective Phillips and the Salem is at

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<v Speaker 7>the Salem Police Department, and so Andrew McGregor, his wife Linda,

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<v Speaker 7>and daughter Cindy are there concerning an assault by a

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<v Speaker 7>person named Robert Anderson. Tell us about what happens that day.

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<v Speaker 7>What they tell Detective Phillips, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Cindy McGregor was a cheerleader at Central Catholic and they

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<v Speaker 2>said that Robert Anderson, the athletic director. He also taught

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Classes approached Cindy McGregor in the locker room and

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<v Speaker 2>essentially assaulted her by starting to fondle her, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was definitely unwanted, and Cindy pushed him away and she

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<v Speaker 2>went home told her parents, and her parents.

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<v Speaker 7>Came right to the police station. Now they have to

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<v Speaker 7>speak to this Robert Anderson. So what does Robert Anderson

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<v Speaker 7>do when he's asked about these allegations.

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<v Speaker 2>He denied everything. He said, no, this didn't happen. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I did talk to her initially from outside the door

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<v Speaker 2>of the girl's lock of rom across his office was

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<v Speaker 2>in close proximity. And again he just continued to deny everything.

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<v Speaker 7>Now, what does Cindy and her parents offer to do,

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<v Speaker 7>because they're adamant that Cindy is telling the truth and

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<v Speaker 7>they want the charges to be laid.

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<v Speaker 2>Potentially, she agreed to take a polygraph and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>Detective Phillips who brought it up. It was the family

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<v Speaker 2>and she passed two polygraphs. And Cindy McGregor is known

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<v Speaker 2>to me. She had married my cousin, Tim Brady a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years later, and Tim Brady is the boyfriend

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<v Speaker 2>that was mentioned in the book later on.

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<v Speaker 7>Now she passes this second polygraph, and this second polygraph

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<v Speaker 7>is asked for by the attorney for Robert Anderson as

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<v Speaker 7>an independent poul graphic examiner. So she passes that test.

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<v Speaker 2>So police do what.

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<v Speaker 7>In terms of a warrant and arrest, Well, they put

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<v Speaker 7>out a warrant for his arrest. And Robert Anderson was

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<v Speaker 7>a very highly respected individual in the community. He was

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<v Speaker 7>a member of the Kawanas. He eventually became president of

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<v Speaker 7>the Kawanas. And now they wanted to handle him with

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<v Speaker 7>kid gloves. But as the saying goes, no one is

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<v Speaker 7>above the law. So he turned himself in with his lawyer,

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<v Speaker 7>John McCool after the warrant was issued for his arrest.

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<v Speaker 7>It's very interesting there was a petition signed by about

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<v Speaker 7>four hundred students. What was this petition and what was

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<v Speaker 7>it detailing.

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<v Speaker 2>What it said was they're not saying whether he was

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<v Speaker 2>guilty or an ascent that they were in support of him.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the students loved him. He hired one

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<v Speaker 2>or two of his students at Serve Master for latter years.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, essentially it came out in support and was

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<v Speaker 2>published in the local newspaper, the Salem Observer. Now there's

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<v Speaker 2>a three day trial for him with judge.

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<v Speaker 7>Only interesting aspect of that is the it's unusual for

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<v Speaker 7>a defendant to take the stand. You talk about Anderson

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<v Speaker 7>taking the stand at this trial. And then the verdict

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<v Speaker 7>in this three day trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the verdict was not guilty. It was moved. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a change of venue to Hampton Beach. Judge Frager

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<v Speaker 2>very highly respected and he would be what you call

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<v Speaker 2>the cops judge. He was more conservative and if someone

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<v Speaker 2>assaulted the police officer, there's a good chance they were

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<v Speaker 2>going to jail. But after the jury trial, the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why Anderson didn't want to have a jury trial, and

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to John McCool afterwards, was they were worried

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<v Speaker 2>that he may the jury may sympathize with McGregor family,

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<v Speaker 2>so they felt that they the Anderson team. When John

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<v Speaker 2>McCool felt that the state didn't have enough to prove

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<v Speaker 2>the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

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<v Speaker 7>Part of the reason of the reasonable day out was

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<v Speaker 7>friend a longtime friend of Robert and also of the

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<v Speaker 7>couple he and his wife, as well a person named

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<v Speaker 7>Ray Corlis, basically gay. Some very damning testimony or support

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<v Speaker 7>of Robert Anderson.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is true. Supposedly, Tim Brady, Cindy's boyfriend, went

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to Anderson and said, hey, listen, what can

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<v Speaker 2>we do to make this go away. Now, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>doubt in my mind that didn't happen, because again, Tim

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<v Speaker 2>Brady's my cousin, I know him very well. So Anderson

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<v Speaker 2>got his friend who also happened to work for Anderson.

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<v Speaker 2>Anderson was his direct boss, and he testified that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I heard Tim Brady say that to h Anderson. And

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<v Speaker 2>again I think that was made up because what I

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<v Speaker 2>say a lot of time in my books is the

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<v Speaker 2>best judge of future behavior is past behavior. A number

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<v Speaker 2>of years later, Anderson was also accused of an assault,

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<v Speaker 2>and he tried to get one of his employees to

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<v Speaker 2>say that that never happened. But she eventually told me

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<v Speaker 2>doing police the next town over, that Anderson put her

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<v Speaker 2>up to do it. So I think that Anderson put

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<v Speaker 2>his subordinate up to doing it.

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<v Speaker 7>You write about Robert's wife and her name is Amy,

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<v Speaker 7>and she's supportive of him and thinks that this woman

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<v Speaker 7>has put them through personal hell.

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<v Speaker 2>Amy said that, yet this girl put my husband through

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<v Speaker 2>how she stood behind her. Amy was an extremely popular

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<v Speaker 2>English teacher at Salem High and they loved her. As

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<v Speaker 2>a matter of fact, she had attended Salem High before

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<v Speaker 2>she went to college, and she got voted Miss Salem High.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a beautiful woman both inside and out. She

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<v Speaker 2>very much stood behind Anderson when this was happening.

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<v Speaker 7>You mentioned that in the beginning, when before this sexual

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<v Speaker 7>assault charge came up, he was being considered as a

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<v Speaker 7>principal of Merrimack High. But after this he was not

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<v Speaker 7>in consideration, and he retired and went into the cleaning

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<v Speaker 7>business and purchased eventually for service Master franchises.

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<v Speaker 2>That is correct. The Salem High School conducted their own

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<v Speaker 2>internal investigation, and they told no one the results of

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<v Speaker 2>that investigation that I am aware of. But he retired

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<v Speaker 2>from teaching and being the athletic director at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of that school year, and he never never got the

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<v Speaker 2>job and as principal of the other high school.

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<v Speaker 7>Now you right about and as we mentioned in the synopsis,

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<v Speaker 7>was about Charles Stewart. This is October twenty third, nineteen

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<v Speaker 7>eighty nine, and there's the dispatcher here is I need help.

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<v Speaker 7>My wife's been shot. Tell us about Charles Stewart and

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<v Speaker 7>what happens October twenty third, nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 8>Charles Stuart was allegedly having an affair with one of

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<v Speaker 8>his help He worked in Boston at a well in Boston,

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<v Speaker 8>a well known furrier on a Newbury Street and Mike Anderson.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuart was very concerned with money. His wife was eight

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<v Speaker 2>months pregnant and they had gone to a birthing class

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<v Speaker 2>at Peter Brigham Hospital and on the way back, he

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<v Speaker 2>said he was accosted by a black man in Boston

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<v Speaker 2>who shot him in the stomach and shot his wife

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<v Speaker 2>and she died within twenty four hours. But one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things he really didn't want to have a child's

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<v Speaker 2>child Stewit didn't really want to have a child because

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<v Speaker 2>his wife, who was a very successful tax attorney, would

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<v Speaker 2>have lost her income. Was I know FLMA at the time.

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<v Speaker 7>You talk about also that there was a brave and

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<v Speaker 7>courageous emergency cesarean performed and the baby boy was delivered

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<v Speaker 7>eight weeks premature. However, that baby only lived for seventeen

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<v Speaker 7>days and suffering from auction to deprivation in the womb.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's correct, that it was really tragic and the

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<v Speaker 2>mother and baby boy were buried together, and the baby

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<v Speaker 2>boy the parents took her name on the gravestone. They

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<v Speaker 2>want nothing to do with childs, do it now?

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<v Speaker 7>You talk about this, he says that there's a black

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<v Speaker 7>man and raspy voice, black jogging pants with red stripes.

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<v Speaker 7>So the city is outraged at such a crime, and

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<v Speaker 7>so the police conduct their investigation. You write that Charles

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<v Speaker 7>is in the hospital. He writes heartfelt eulogy for because

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<v Speaker 7>he can't attend the funeral.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he had this all planned and won. During

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<v Speaker 2>this time period from October until January, when Chiles stood

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<v Speaker 2>was eventually found out. The Boston police were flooding the

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<v Speaker 2>minority neighborhoods of Boston at the time, Mission Hill, Jamaica, Planes, Roxbury,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were just doing typical stopping frisks. They made

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<v Speaker 2>one arrest of one person, but they didn't have enough evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>so they let him go. And they just could not

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<v Speaker 2>find someone.

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<v Speaker 7>You write that they arrest at a homeless man, however,

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<v Speaker 7>squatting in a vacant building, and they found the black

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<v Speaker 7>jogging suit in a pan of water, and he had

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<v Speaker 7>a raspy voice, so he fits somewhat you say he

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<v Speaker 7>was soon released.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's correct. There was nothing more than circumstantial evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>and Boston police further investigated that individual and determined it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't he who did the murder.

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<v Speaker 7>Now, on December twenty eighth, Charles Stewart is in has

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<v Speaker 7>Willy Bennett is.

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<v Speaker 2>Willie Bennett had previously been in jail for shooting the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston cop. He was out on parole, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that Stuart had some full knowledge of who Willy Bennett was.

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<v Speaker 2>So we picked them and Boston Police said, okay, we

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<v Speaker 2>they were Boston. Spoke to a friend of mine who

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<v Speaker 7>You're right that only five days later though, six days later,

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<v Speaker 7>as you write, the shoe drops and Matthew Stewart comes forward.

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<v Speaker 2>What does he have to tell police? Matthew Stuart is

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<v Speaker 2>who met Chiles Stuart. After Charles shot his wife and

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<v Speaker 2>then himself in the stomach, and he gave Matthew Childs,

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<v Speaker 2>gave Matthew the gun and his wife's pocket book, and

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew got rid of those. He threw it off a

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<v Speaker 2>bridge in Revere, both the pocketbook and the gun, how

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<v Speaker 2>and he kept his mouth shut all the time during

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<v Speaker 2>the investigation until Willie Bennett was arrested. And Matthew had

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<v Speaker 2>a case of the conscience, of a conscience, and he

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<v Speaker 2>said to Boston police, you've arrested the wrong man. It

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<v Speaker 2>was my brother who did it, and this is what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>So they they ended up putting out a warrant for

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<v Speaker 7>Now, as you say, too, the black community now with

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<v Speaker 7>this knowledge, is outraged, understandably, So yeah, hundreds of blacks

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<v Speaker 7>were harassed and demean What happens the next day they

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<v Speaker 7>find Charles Stuart's abandoned on the lower deck of the

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<v Speaker 7>Tobin Bridge, which goes over the Mystic River. He left

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<v Speaker 7>a suicide note. It was later confirmed that it was

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<v Speaker 7>his handwriting. They did a search of the Mystic River

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<v Speaker 2>As a suicide. But there's a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 7>And what's that twist. There's a rumor that you read about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet saw it on a number of websites and the

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<v Speaker 2>friends I spoken to in Boston police confirmed the rumor,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were divided as to whether it really happened. Supposedly,

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<v Speaker 2>Stuart's wife's in laws owned a sub shop in the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston area and they were somewhat connect the rum We're

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<v Speaker 2>on the streets and a number of websites said that

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<v Speaker 2>Stuart's wife's Stuart's father in law contacted some wise guys.

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<v Speaker 2>They broke into Charles Stuart's apartment, made them write the

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<v Speaker 2>suicide note, then drowned them in the toilet bowl. They

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<v Speaker 2>then took chiles in the body of Charles Stuart in

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<v Speaker 2>his car to the Tobin Bridge and threw them over

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<v Speaker 2>the bridge. From what I was able to glean on

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<v Speaker 2>the car in this report and the autopsy of child Stuart,

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<v Speaker 2>there was water in the lungs, but it was never

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<v Speaker 2>tested as to whether it was fresh water that would

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<v Speaker 2>be present in the toilet bowl or the brackish water

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<v Speaker 2>of the Mystic River. So that rumor is still pervasive today.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, now, in terms for this story here, there are

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<v Speaker 7>people that the police authorities that look into the background

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<v Speaker 7>of this case to look for motives for Charles Stewart specifically.

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<v Speaker 7>So what do they find in terms of some very

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<v Speaker 7>interesting things that we will use to compare and other

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<v Speaker 7>people will used to compare the Charles Stewart case to

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<v Speaker 7>the Robert Anderson case later.

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<v Speaker 2>The first one was he was allegedly having an affayre

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<v Speaker 2>with a woman who worked for him in the furrier shop. Child.

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<v Speaker 2>Stewart was the manager, not the owner, of the furious shop,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had alling a gun and that was the

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<v Speaker 2>gun he used to kill his wife and shoot himself

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<v Speaker 2>in the stomach. When this alleged affair came out and

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<v Speaker 2>the woman who Stuart was supposedly having the affair with

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<v Speaker 2>denied and he said we were just good friends and

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<v Speaker 2>nothing ever happened. Right and again, like Anderson, Stewart was

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed with money and he didn't want to have his

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<v Speaker 2>wife lose that income while she was caring for the baby.

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<v Speaker 2>We mentioned too that he had stolen the gun from

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<v Speaker 2>the furriers. That's correct, Yes, he had, he did steal

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<v Speaker 2>the gun.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, now you take us to January in nineteen ninety two.

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<v Speaker 7>Just before that, you write that police recruits would study

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<v Speaker 7>this case, and this made international news in certain places.

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<v Speaker 2>And you say that.

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<v Speaker 7>Police recruits were not the only ones who studied the

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<v Speaker 7>Stewart murder case.

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<v Speaker 2>Is what you write.

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<v Speaker 7>You say, Robert Anderson took note Fred Riol, the lead

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<v Speaker 7>detective from Salem, New Hampshire, who assisted Lawrence Police where

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<v Speaker 7>the murder happened, in his interviews and talking with Anderson,

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<v Speaker 7>and he also talked to some friends of Anderson, and

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<v Speaker 7>he thought that Anderson had studied the child Stuart murder

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<v Speaker 7>case and he would not make the mistakes that Chiles

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<v Speaker 7>Stewart did, such as confining and brother. But they felt

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<v Speaker 7>Fred Riahl felt that, yep, this guy studied Stuart, the

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<v Speaker 7>Stewart case, and he copied the murder. You take us

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<v Speaker 7>to January nineteen ninety two and Wendy Jack and you

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<v Speaker 7>say that they are friends with Bob and Amy Anderson

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<v Speaker 7>since student teaching days in nineteen seventy five, and Bob

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<v Speaker 7>was entrusted to check on their place while they were

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<v Speaker 7>on vacation. He had a key to their house. What

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<v Speaker 7>had Wendy Jack forgotten about in that house.

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<v Speaker 2>Her father was living with him and he died. He

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<v Speaker 2>was elderly, he was ninety one, I believe, And when

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<v Speaker 2>she was going through his belongings in his room in

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<v Speaker 2>that house, she never knew about the twenty five caliber gun.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the gun that Anderson used to shoot

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<v Speaker 2>his wife, amongst doing other things to her, actually not

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<v Speaker 2>shoot his wife. He ended up leaving the gun there

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<v Speaker 2>at the murdersing you take.

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<v Speaker 7>Us in this chapter you call the twenty four Days

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<v Speaker 7>of Christmas. This is October to November nineteen ninety three,

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<v Speaker 7>and Bob Anderson, as the ServiceMaster company director, gets an

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<v Speaker 7>angry call from a customer about a job not done

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<v Speaker 7>well enough. Tell us about his visit to this apartment

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<v Speaker 7>who he meets and this major character in this story.

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<v Speaker 2>The customer's name's Backavoy, and they had complained that his company,

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<v Speaker 2>serf Pro at the time Serfmasters, did a cleaning of

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<v Speaker 2>their apartment, but there were still some stains left in it.

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<v Speaker 2>So Anderson went there, knocked on the door, and the

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<v Speaker 2>was totally infatuated with her, he said he would send

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<v Speaker 2>his best team to clean the apartment all over again

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<v Speaker 2>to take care of the stains that were left behind,

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<v Speaker 2>which he did, which they did, and he eventually asked

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<v Speaker 7>At lunch, he got some information about her financial situation,

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<v Speaker 7>but also that she was a very young and attractive woman,

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<v Speaker 7>and he talked to and offered.

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<v Speaker 2>Her a job. What was this job that he described.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a single parent and she was living there

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<v Speaker 2>with her parents, and the parents would baby, said the child.

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<v Speaker 2>When she worked. She had a small retail job. Anderson

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<v Speaker 2>offered her a position in his company as marketing and

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<v Speaker 2>paid her fair amount of money at that time, and

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<v Speaker 2>her job was took accompany him when he went to

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<v Speaker 2>see clients. He asked her to dress in a very

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<v Speaker 2>sexy manner with shot skirts high heels, because he said

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<v Speaker 2>that sex cells and that was her job. And she

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<v Speaker 2>testified later on in court she never did. She didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have any qualifications for that, and she never did anything

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<v Speaker 2>more than go with Anderson to see clients and then

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<v Speaker 2>sit in provocative manners. When Anderson was talking to clients,

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<v Speaker 2>one of his trusted employees he introduce is Bill Prince.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is Bill Prince in relation to Robert Anderson and

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<v Speaker 2>he's part of the cleanup crew. Bill was a former

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<v Speaker 2>student of Anderson, and he went into the Marines after

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<v Speaker 2>high school. When he came out, he sought out Anderson.

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<v Speaker 2>Anderson was one of his favorite teachers. The boys in

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<v Speaker 2>mixed feelings. Supposedly, what he did to Cindy McGregor he

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<v Speaker 2>never came forward until he was arrested later on for

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<v Speaker 2>the murder of his wife. But Prince was offered a

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<v Speaker 7>This idea that he introduces Pam McAvoy to his twenty

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<v Speaker 7>four Days of Christmas. He had said to her that

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<v Speaker 7>he had this introduced, this plan to give gifts to

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<v Speaker 7>his wife and his child from December first to December

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<v Speaker 7>twenty fourth, and so he said he was going to

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<v Speaker 7>do the same with her. What kind of gifts are

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<v Speaker 7>we talking about here?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly? He gave her gifts anywhere from no Teddy beer

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<v Speaker 2>to expensive jewelry, to taking her out for dinner in

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<v Speaker 2>Boston and then going to see a play afterwards. He

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<v Speaker 7>Amy became aware of this and questioned him and was

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<v Speaker 2>What did he say this relationship was. He said that

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<v Speaker 2>the relationship was totally platonic, nothing more than employer employee,

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<v Speaker 2>and he felt really bad for her because she was

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<v Speaker 2>real a struggling mom and just he was trying to

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<v Speaker 7>Anderson has a bookkeeper and family friend, and she notices

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<v Speaker 7>the additional credit charges recently and his mood changes. She

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<v Speaker 7>says he was more brooding. She asked him where the

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<v Speaker 7>new money in the account was coming from. What was

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<v Speaker 7>his answer to her? He said, essentially was you got

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<v Speaker 7>to spend money to make money. We're doing a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of marketing, We're going on business trips. He had taken

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<v Speaker 7>Tim McAvoy to a trip down to Worcester where they

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<v Speaker 7>stayed for a night, but they did there that night

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<v Speaker 7>is still up to debate. Like Charles Stewart's alleged affair,

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<v Speaker 7>Pam denied that they ever had any connal.

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<v Speaker 2>Knowledge of each other. Talking to the investigators in the

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<v Speaker 2>case both in Lawrence and Salem. This split as to

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<v Speaker 2>whether they were actually have an affair. It was just platonic.

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<v Speaker 7>Now another character is introduced to Judge Bob Marshall. He's

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<v Speaker 7>Anderson for about ten years, but he has no choice

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<v Speaker 7>in his mind, but the call police.

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<v Speaker 2>What's this all about?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when Bob Marshall, who was well loved by Salem

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<v Speaker 2>police and everyone else in Salem, he was the president

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<v Speaker 2>of the Kawana's Club and noticed those fifty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>missing that couldn't be accounted for. Fred Rilt got involved

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<v Speaker 2>in the case and long behold, Robert Anderson was the

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<v Speaker 2>treasurer of the Kiwana's clubs. So what they felt very strongly,

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<v Speaker 2>and Fred said he had more than enough evidence to

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<v Speaker 2>issue a warrant and get a conviction of Robert Anderson

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<v Speaker 2>for embezzling that fifty thousand dollars from the corners. But

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<v Speaker 2>Judge Massill chose not to go forward. Instead, Anderson was

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<v Speaker 2>forced to leave the corners and they didn't They the

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<v Speaker 2>Kowaners didn't want to go forward because that would give

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<v Speaker 2>them a very bad name and they felt that it

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<v Speaker 2>would hurt contributions. And I can't speak highly enough about

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<v Speaker 2>the Corners in general, and particularly in Sale in New Hampshire.

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<v Speaker 2>They do really good work with a lot of donations

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<v Speaker 2>to charity, but they didn't charge him, and Anderson got

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<v Speaker 2>to pay back. That was an agreement he made with

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<v Speaker 2>Judge Marshall that he would pay back the money, but

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<v Speaker 2>circumstances eventually prevented that. You write that.

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<v Speaker 7>Meanwhile, in Mithune, Massachusetts, there's some frozen pipes are especially

428
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<v Speaker 7>good for winter and the service mass in Robert Anderson's business,

429
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<v Speaker 7>and he goes to a door for somebody that has

430
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<v Speaker 7>made a call that he's done some work. Francesca Lopez

431
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<v Speaker 7>answers the door. Tell us about his interaction with Francesca Lopez.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this goes back to what I said earlier that

433
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<v Speaker 2>the best judge of future behavior is past behavior. Frances

434
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<v Speaker 2>He goes into the family house and sees Francisco Lopez.

435
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<v Speaker 2>She's seventeen years old, and he is once again totally

436
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<v Speaker 2>enamored by her, and he offers her a position as

437
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:35.799
<v Speaker 2>a marketing specialist. That's what he called it. I'm not

438
00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:40.519
<v Speaker 2>getting specialist. He ends up fixing, cleaning everything. He sends

439
00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:44.720
<v Speaker 2>a crew in. He came in himself and he asks Francesca,

440
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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you a fair amount of money again and

441
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.680
<v Speaker 2>could you accompany me. I have this client in Londonderry, Londonderry,

442
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Speaker 2>New Hampshire, and you can see what the job entails.

443
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<v Speaker 2>Can you very can you dress very sexy? Wear a

444
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<v Speaker 2>short skirt, high heels and plunging neckline. So they end

445
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:06.480
<v Speaker 2>up going to Londonderry. She agrees to this. They talked

446
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:10.920
<v Speaker 2>to a client there and Anderson then tells Lopez, all right,

447
00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:13.759
<v Speaker 2>I'll bring it back to your family home. And allegedly

448
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:19.319
<v Speaker 2>what he did was molest her in the van, inlested

449
00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:22.799
<v Speaker 2>her the man, she pushed him off, ran in and

450
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:27.079
<v Speaker 2>told her parents who the father wanted to kill Anderson.

451
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<v Speaker 2>So the very next day, like the mcgregors, the Lopezes

452
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.480
<v Speaker 2>went to the local police station, but doing mass and

453
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<v Speaker 2>spoke to Peter Rainl who's a good friend of mine,

454
00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:41.559
<v Speaker 2>very good detective. And Peter took up the case and

455
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:46.279
<v Speaker 2>they had a warrant for Anderson's arrest that was eventually

456
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:50.920
<v Speaker 2>served in Sale, New Hampshire, with the summons to appear

457
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:55.559
<v Speaker 2>in court and again future behavior and past behavior. Anderson

458
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<v Speaker 2>went to one of his employees, a female, and said, Hey, listen,

459
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<v Speaker 2>my wife's going to divorce me. This didn't happen. This

460
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:06.119
<v Speaker 2>girl is making allegations that never happened. I need you

461
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<v Speaker 2>to say you were in the back seat of the

462
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:11.519
<v Speaker 2>van and say that this never happened.

463
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<v Speaker 7>Now, how do police react when they learned that this

464
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<v Speaker 7>Linda Stevens. Are they suspicious and how do they act?

465
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<v Speaker 2>Accordingly? They're very suspicious. They are very suspicious. They feel

466
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:28.279
<v Speaker 2>that this didn't happen. At some point, detective Phillips from

467
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Salem had got in touch with Pete Reno. There was

468
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of cross border work amongst the detectives in

469
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:36.960
<v Speaker 2>doing mass in Salem, New Hampshire. They border each other

470
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:41.839
<v Speaker 2>and Phillips had told Reino about what had happened in

471
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:45.680
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty four with McGregor, and they play ended up

472
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:51.160
<v Speaker 2>playing good cop, bad cop and Anderson's employees employee eventually

473
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:54.839
<v Speaker 2>admitted that, yeah, this is what Robert Anderson did, and

474
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:58.519
<v Speaker 2>he pretty much forced me to lie for him. He's

475
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<v Speaker 2>my boss and I didn't want to lose my job.

476
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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely, so they don't involve her in this. You write

477
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:09.279
<v Speaker 7>that February February eleventh, Unlike in nineteen eighty four, Amy

478
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:13.680
<v Speaker 7>Anderson is very upset and not very supportive at all,

479
00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:17.599
<v Speaker 7>and she was talking now about divorce and so over

480
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:19.799
<v Speaker 7>the next two weeks, you say, you're right that he

481
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:22.119
<v Speaker 7>tries to smooth over relations with his wife. But by

482
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.359
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<v Speaker 7>It's the best value now you write then. In January

517
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<v Speaker 7>twenty four, nineteen ninety four, another important character in this story,

518
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<v Speaker 7>Rebecca O'Brien calls and she's not happy with service Master

519
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.599
<v Speaker 7>job done a few days previous, and they had moved

520
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.599
<v Speaker 7>in and out of this house when this cleanup was

521
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.319
<v Speaker 7>going on by Service Master. What did she notice after

522
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.359
<v Speaker 7>the visit regarding her husband's property.

523
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<v Speaker 2>I'm noimeter gun was listen. Jeez, I wonder how that happened, right?

524
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:05.240
<v Speaker 7>And also you write that there was a burglary reported

525
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:09.480
<v Speaker 7>at Industrial Park and security guard didn't see anything except

526
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:11.920
<v Speaker 7>he thought he saw a Service Master van, but he

527
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:13.440
<v Speaker 7>wasn't quite sure.

528
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:19.119
<v Speaker 2>That is correct. It was cleaning equipment was stolen, and

529
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.240
<v Speaker 2>they really didn't have any suspects outside of that maybe

530
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:24.960
<v Speaker 2>elusive service Master van.

531
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<v Speaker 7>You take us now to a very important date February

532
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:31.359
<v Speaker 7>twenty fifth, nineteen ninety four and the site of the

533
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:35.480
<v Speaker 7>Shahmat Bank and the manager Judis Smith, what's going on

534
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:36.960
<v Speaker 7>there with Robert Anderson.

535
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:39.880
<v Speaker 2>It was a cold winter and she had burrist pipes

536
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:42.960
<v Speaker 2>in the cellar and so she needed Anderson's crew to

537
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.039
<v Speaker 2>come in and clean everything up.

538
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.440
<v Speaker 7>There was an issue where a restaurant that had gone

539
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:50.960
<v Speaker 7>out of business was next door at Cherry and Webb,

540
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.519
<v Speaker 7>and there was a heating and cooling ducts were connected

541
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 7>between the buildings. Tell us what happens with Robert Anderson

542
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.200
<v Speaker 7>and Paul Medola at this bank all.

543
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:07.359
<v Speaker 2>Medola is the custodian, and Anderson said, hmm, there's a

544
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:12.519
<v Speaker 2>dust problem and sham at back and Cherry and Webb

545
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:17.720
<v Speaker 2>shared the same ventilation system, so could Medola let me?

546
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.480
<v Speaker 2>And he's saying this to the bank manager and I

547
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.240
<v Speaker 2>just want to check everything out. So they end up

548
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 2>going into a boiler room. Anderson is there alone Mendola

549
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:32.119
<v Speaker 2>Mandola is doing other custodio things, and eventually they leave

550
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:35.319
<v Speaker 2>the building and Anderson says, oh, dammit, I forgot one

551
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:37.920
<v Speaker 2>of my tools. Mandola gives him a key to the

552
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Cherry and Webb's building, and Anderson said to him, Okay,

553
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.640
<v Speaker 2>I'll give this to the bank manager when I'm done,

554
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.720
<v Speaker 2>but he never did that, so he ended up having

555
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:48.480
<v Speaker 2>the key to Cherry and Webbs. You're right there.

556
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:51.559
<v Speaker 7>That night, Bob and Amy Anderson go out to meet

557
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:55.079
<v Speaker 7>their good friends, longtime friends, Ray Corlis and his wife

558
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:58.200
<v Speaker 7>Julie at a restaurant, and they seem to be a

559
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:02.160
<v Speaker 7>happy couple. Julie, though, ever see something amiss at the

560
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:02.799
<v Speaker 7>end of the night.

561
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she felt that all was not well in Paradise

562
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.400
<v Speaker 2>and she related this to her husband. Her husband was

563
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.599
<v Speaker 2>the principle of Salem High at the time, again very

564
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:16.640
<v Speaker 2>well respected, and he said, ah, now everything's fine, and

565
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:20.200
<v Speaker 2>they had he had no idea what was coming down

566
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:20.759
<v Speaker 2>the road.

567
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<v Speaker 7>You're right of February twenty sixth, nineteen ninety four.

568
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<v Speaker 2>It's six fifty four pm and.

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<v Speaker 7>The Lawrence Police Department dispatch your answers. She's asked, what's

570
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<v Speaker 7>the matter? What kind of respons does you get on

571
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<v Speaker 7>the line?

572
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:33.839
<v Speaker 2>And from who?

573
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>It is?

574
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:39.759
<v Speaker 2>A frantic male voice. That male voice is Robert Anderson,

575
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.359
<v Speaker 2>and he's saying, my wife has been killed. She whereby

576
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:47.039
<v Speaker 2>She's in the van behind the shah Met pocin lot.

577
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<v Speaker 2>Send help. I love my wife. She's hurt real bad.

578
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.319
<v Speaker 7>Who was there and who do they speak to? And

579
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:56.880
<v Speaker 7>what is the condition? Obviously of Amy Anderson.

580
00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Patrolman hat the wall was right around the corner in

581
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:04.160
<v Speaker 2>the police station. The police station and the fire station

582
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.200
<v Speaker 2>were about a block and a half from the Shaman back.

583
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:12.199
<v Speaker 2>They get there, it starts snowing lightly and Walla just

584
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:16.599
<v Speaker 2>calls that help. We've had a very brutal murder. Amy

585
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Anderson was in the driver's seat of the van. She

586
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:24.119
<v Speaker 2>was stabbed multiple times with the blunt object. It turned

587
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.039
<v Speaker 2>out to be a Phillips screwdriver, and she had some

588
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:31.320
<v Speaker 2>very serious slashes on her head. It was amazing that

589
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:34.480
<v Speaker 2>she made it to the hospital alive. She made it

590
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:38.800
<v Speaker 2>through the night waller radios and that Okay, we've got

591
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:43.159
<v Speaker 2>a serious murder here. It's brutal, and I need detectives.

592
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Brian Barochus is the first detective on the scene, and

593
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:52.360
<v Speaker 2>the first thing he notices is the only tracks in

594
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.599
<v Speaker 2>the snow. And again it was a very light snow.

595
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.280
<v Speaker 2>The only tracks of the snow were the tracks leading

596
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:01.800
<v Speaker 2>from and to the van, no other tracks outside of

597
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Patrolman Wallace Bryan was also on the station and he

598
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.360
<v Speaker 2>had gotten there before the ambulance came. Unfortunately, he didn't

599
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:10.320
<v Speaker 2>take any pictures of that.

600
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:13.840
<v Speaker 7>So they also speak to William Prince, and they also

601
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:18.159
<v Speaker 7>get Robert Anderson's story of events. What is the difference

602
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:20.840
<v Speaker 7>in those stories or the similarities.

603
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:25.320
<v Speaker 2>William Prince is downstairs with another employee there cleaning, and

604
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:30.639
<v Speaker 2>he testified that Anderson had asked Robert Anderson asked Amy

605
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:34.480
<v Speaker 2>to go buy some coffee and everything, some refreshments for

606
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:36.679
<v Speaker 2>the crew. But the crew said, oh no, we don't

607
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:38.079
<v Speaker 2>need it. We're all going to be here about an

608
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:40.159
<v Speaker 2>hour and a half. Oh no, no, we need it.

609
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:42.719
<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to walk Amy out to the van.

610
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.280
<v Speaker 2>And Amy said there is no need to The van's

611
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:48.400
<v Speaker 2>just outside the back door. And Anderson said, hey, this

612
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.760
<v Speaker 2>is Lawrence and Lawrence is very violent, which they were

613
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:56.519
<v Speaker 2>having a state of serious crimes. Lawrence does have a

614
00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:59.239
<v Speaker 2>high crime rate. So he said he was going to

615
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.760
<v Speaker 2>walk her out to the van. He came back in

616
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:05.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes later. They're asking she is, where's Amy? She

617
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 2>was just supposed to go right down the road. Anderson says,

618
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.679
<v Speaker 2>let me go all back and check. And that's when

619
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:15.280
<v Speaker 2>he comes screaming back into the bank saying Amy's been hurt.

620
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:17.679
<v Speaker 2>She's hurt, real bad. I've got to call the police.

621
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:21.559
<v Speaker 2>And right from the get go he blamed it on

622
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:26.039
<v Speaker 2>the violence of Lawrence. How did police conduct their investigation?

623
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:31.199
<v Speaker 2>And knowing that Robert Anderson is their likely suspect in this,

624
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:37.599
<v Speaker 2>they interview everyone there and they can't find any tracks

625
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:42.119
<v Speaker 2>anywhere in the snow that's on the sidewalk or anywhere

626
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:46.760
<v Speaker 2>else at the time. They also noticed some tracks leading

627
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:49.840
<v Speaker 2>into the cherry and web building again that was adjacent

628
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:54.639
<v Speaker 2>to the Charma bank. However, that didn't register right away.

629
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<v Speaker 2>So now they want to interview Anderson. Amy had died

630
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:02.119
<v Speaker 2>through the night. It was amazing she lived that one.

631
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:04.440
<v Speaker 2>She lived till six point thirty the next morning, and

632
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.079
<v Speaker 2>they asked to interview Anderson. So he comes into the

633
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.119
<v Speaker 2>police station the following day at eight o'clock in the morning.

634
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.480
<v Speaker 7>Now they're looking for three different weapons, and when they

635
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<v Speaker 7>do the autopsy, it is revealed the extent of this angry,

636
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<v Speaker 7>more than angry assault on this woman. So tell us

637
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<v Speaker 7>about the injuries that were inflicted by these three different weapons.

638
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<v Speaker 2>They had some serious slashes and the scalp that went

639
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<v Speaker 2>down to the bone. There were puncture mocks in her

640
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<v Speaker 2>face and in her shoulders, and it wasn't caused by

641
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<v Speaker 2>a knife, these punch mocks. It was by a round

642
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<v Speaker 2>blunt instrument, similar to say a screwdriver, whether it be

643
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<v Speaker 2>a straight or a Phillips screwdriver. And they couldn't find

644
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<v Speaker 2>the murder weapons at the time. They decide to make

645
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<v Speaker 2>an arrest.

646
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<v Speaker 7>There is a wake land for Amy and a funeral.

647
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:01.719
<v Speaker 7>When did they decide to make an arrest on Robert Anderson.

648
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<v Speaker 2>It was that Thursday night at the wake. The funeral

649
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<v Speaker 2>was going to be the next day, and both sale

650
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<v Speaker 2>and police and Lawrence police are going to wait. They're

651
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<v Speaker 2>putting surveillance on Anderson and they're going to wait till

652
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<v Speaker 2>after the wake. However, Amy Anderson was loved. It's the

653
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<v Speaker 2>middle of winter and the line is off the door

654
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<v Speaker 2>into the pocketing lot and down the street. There was

655
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<v Speaker 2>a about an hour and twenty minute wait, so it

656
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<v Speaker 2>was a get nine thirty. The weight was supposed to

657
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<v Speaker 2>end at nine, but they prolonged the hours. The funeral

658
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:41.039
<v Speaker 2>home prolonged the hours, and they decided to just go

659
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<v Speaker 2>in and arrest Anderson. And again there was Salem Police.

660
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Detective Phillips was there, and they went in and informed

661
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<v Speaker 2>Anderson that he was under arrest for the murder of

662
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<v Speaker 2>his wife. And Anderson said, really, you had to do

663
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<v Speaker 2>it now, now, you couldn't wait till after the funeral.

664
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<v Speaker 2>Phillips looked them squeally in the eye and said, Robert,

665
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<v Speaker 2>if it wasn't for you, there wouldn't be awakened funeral

666
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<v Speaker 2>and At that point, Amy's brother, who never really liked

667
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:13.679
<v Speaker 2>his brother in law, lunched for Anderson and he was

668
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:18.239
<v Speaker 2>held back by police who were there, and they put

669
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<v Speaker 2>the handcuffs on Anderson watched them out of the station.

670
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<v Speaker 2>And as he's being marched out of the station, the principal,

671
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<v Speaker 2>who had dinner with the Andersons, call Us, said to

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<v Speaker 2>one of the detectives, Fred riol Fred, I hope you

673
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<v Speaker 2>know what you're doing. And fred just stopped and looked

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<v Speaker 2>at Carlus and said, you know, when it comes to

675
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<v Speaker 2>first degree murder, I always know what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he is set to go to trial.

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<v Speaker 7>The issues that are very important is that a blood

699
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<v Speaker 7>spatter expert, Morgan Dexter dozen analysis of the jacket and

700
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<v Speaker 7>despite him cradling his wife's head and blood being on

701
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<v Speaker 7>the jacket, you talk about three different types of stains,

702
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<v Speaker 7>impact stain, transfer stain, and a projected impact stain, them

703
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<v Speaker 7>all being different and all basically being damning testimony at

704
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<v Speaker 7>this trial.

705
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<v Speaker 2>With this analysis of that jacket, that's correct. What she testified,

706
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:24.239
<v Speaker 2>which was very damning evidence, was that when you shab someone,

707
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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be blood spatter, and that blood spatter

708
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<v Speaker 2>is going to come back on the person who did

709
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<v Speaker 2>the stabbing, particularly if it's a blunt instrument more so

710
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<v Speaker 2>than say a knife with a shot point. And what

711
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<v Speaker 2>this spatter looks like is a blob with a little

712
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<v Speaker 2>tail at the end, and that is exactly what Anderson

713
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<v Speaker 2>had on his jacket. That evidence was overwhelming, and it

714
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:53.400
<v Speaker 2>was obviously it turned out to be Amy's blood.

715
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<v Speaker 7>Very interesting when there, it's very important that they find

716
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<v Speaker 7>the murder weapons themselves. They go to visit Judas Myth

717
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<v Speaker 7>at j Sean mcbank and she hadn't found a red

718
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:07.159
<v Speaker 7>police had found murder weapons. And she was asked if

719
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<v Speaker 7>she was ever given back the key to the Cherry

720
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<v Speaker 7>and Web store. No, So they eventually led detectives. Jack

721
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<v Speaker 7>McDonald from Lawrence was the lead detective. They led him

722
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<v Speaker 7>back into the store, into the Cherry and Web building

723
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<v Speaker 7>and the custodian medolo said, hey, listen, he spent a

724
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<v Speaker 7>lot of time in the boiler room. So they go

725
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<v Speaker 7>into the boiler room.

726
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<v Speaker 2>They're looking around the high ceilings, ten foot high ceilings.

727
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<v Speaker 2>It's dropped ceiling and one of the other detectives notices

728
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<v Speaker 2>a brown stain on the floor. And that's what happens

729
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.880
<v Speaker 2>to blood when it coagulates and drives. It's a brown

730
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<v Speaker 2>as shred he noticed. He looks up and notices that

731
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<v Speaker 2>one of the ceiling tiles is askew. They find a ladder.

732
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<v Speaker 2>He goes up, and that's where they found the murder weapons.

733
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<v Speaker 2>So evidently, after Anderson had killed his wife, he went

734
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<v Speaker 2>to the cherry and web store. Those were the footres

735
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<v Speaker 2>in the snow and deposited the weapons in the ceiling.

736
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<v Speaker 2>And those weapons had fingerprints. There was the twenty five

737
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<v Speaker 2>caliber there also that had as much fingerprint and had

738
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Amy's blood. So Amy's blood on the murder weapons, Anderson's fingerprints.

739
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<v Speaker 2>They got him.

740
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<v Speaker 7>You were asked by fred Riohl to look at this

741
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<v Speaker 7>case because of your background. Tell us about your background

742
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:28.480
<v Speaker 7>that comes into play in this, and also tell us

743
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<v Speaker 7>about this the assets being tied up.

744
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<v Speaker 2>Give us this strategy that you had. Yeah, my background

745
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<v Speaker 2>is I have two master's degrees, one in business another

746
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<v Speaker 2>one in economics, and I was working in the business

747
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.000
<v Speaker 2>world and got tired of the business world became a

748
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<v Speaker 2>carp But I also started teaching college economics and finance classes,

749
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<v Speaker 2>particularly accounting. So I said to Freddie, hey, listen, he's

750
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<v Speaker 2>going to be spending a ton of money on a

751
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<v Speaker 2>team of lawyers. We have to find out where all

752
00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:01.639
<v Speaker 2>his accounts are and we have to freeze those accounts

753
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<v Speaker 2>so he doesn't have access to that money. Again, I

754
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<v Speaker 2>was teaching accounting. We ended up looking at Anderson's books.

755
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<v Speaker 2>It was easy to confirm that the fifty thousand dollars

756
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<v Speaker 2>he had previously stolen from the Kuwanas went into his

757
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:19.800
<v Speaker 2>checking account. The Anderson family lawyer, Jimmy Coppernito, worked his

758
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<v Speaker 2>ass off. They found out where his assets were and

759
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<v Speaker 2>they also found some safety deposit boxes. We had stashed

760
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<v Speaker 2>away a lot of money and jewelry, and they froze

761
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<v Speaker 2>all of those assets. So Anderson didn't have access to

762
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<v Speaker 2>any of the money that he so valued so much,

763
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<v Speaker 2>and he had to get a public defender. Now take

764
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<v Speaker 2>us to the trial.

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<v Speaker 7>He has a competent attorney named Carney, and they have

766
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<v Speaker 7>an idea to vigorously defend him. The prosecutor is mccollery,

767
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<v Speaker 7>and he has eight things the significant and evidence to

768
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<v Speaker 7>be able to convict this person first degree murder, life

769
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<v Speaker 7>with no parole. What are the key things that happened

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<v Speaker 7>at this trial in terms of Robert Anderson testifying, Connie

771
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<v Speaker 7>was probably one of the best trial.

772
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<v Speaker 2>Lawyers in Massachusetts at the time, and he did the

773
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.840
<v Speaker 2>case for free. He did pro bono, as they like

774
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:21.159
<v Speaker 2>to call it. I suspect he wanted to get the publicity,

775
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:24.159
<v Speaker 2>which he did, And what you typically do in a

776
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:27.639
<v Speaker 2>murder case is you tried to put the blame on

777
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<v Speaker 2>someone else, and that's exactly what they tried to do here.

778
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<v Speaker 2>They tried to put the blame on William Prince, Anderson's

779
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:41.719
<v Speaker 2>former student and employee, who was his best worker. And

780
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<v Speaker 2>they attempted to do that.

781
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:46.440
<v Speaker 7>They tried to put reasonable doubt that William Prince could

782
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<v Speaker 7>have had the opportunity to kill Amy, and then they

783
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<v Speaker 7>had a kind of sketchy motive why.

784
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<v Speaker 2>He might do that. He was jealous, Yeah, the motive

785
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:58.800
<v Speaker 2>was that he was infatuated with Amy and she had

786
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<v Speaker 2>spurned him. But there was absolutely no evidence to that effect,

787
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<v Speaker 2>none whatsoever. He was always very respectful. As a matter

788
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<v Speaker 2>of fact, after Amy died, he had gone to the

789
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<v Speaker 2>house to pay his respects and was just there for

790
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a little while before he left, talking about Prince and

791
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<v Speaker 2>finding out a little bit about his background. Great guy,

792
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<v Speaker 2>great guy.

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<v Speaker 7>He tried to say that that William Prince had come

794
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<v Speaker 7>to the house the night of the wake and came

795
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<v Speaker 7>in the house, saw him in the kitchen, and then

796
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<v Speaker 7>a bloody key that was found later by Amy's sister

797
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<v Speaker 7>was planted by William Prince, and he disputed this at

798
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<v Speaker 7>trial on the stand and said he hadn't even crossed

799
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<v Speaker 7>the threshold of that house that night.

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<v Speaker 2>That's correct. I mean, he never came further than the threshold.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he was invited in the house. But that

802
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<v Speaker 2>was the key that was found by Amy's sister. I

803
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<v Speaker 2>believe he was found in a flower pot that Anderson

804
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<v Speaker 2>hit and it had a bloody print on it. And

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<v Speaker 2>they were able to get a postial print out of

806
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<v Speaker 2>the key, but could have been and since print, but

807
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<v Speaker 2>they didn't have the eight to twelve points of reference

808
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<v Speaker 2>that you needed. They just had a few. But there

809
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<v Speaker 2>was no doubt in an investigated his mind that Robert

810
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<v Speaker 2>Anderson had stashed the key there.

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<v Speaker 7>It's interesting too that in the very first trial of

812
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<v Speaker 7>the sexual assault he was brazen enough to take the

813
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<v Speaker 7>stand in his own defense, and at this he insisted

814
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<v Speaker 7>to take the stand, which is even more unusual, and

815
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<v Speaker 7>they announced it early on, which is again unusual that

816
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<v Speaker 7>he would be taking the stand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's correct again, very arrogant, very arrogant. He found

818
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<v Speaker 2>if you walk into the room, he felt that he

819
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<v Speaker 2>was always the smartest person in the room.

820
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<v Speaker 7>It was a embarrassing I guess for him certainly that

821
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<v Speaker 7>Pam mclavoy also testified and said some damning things about

822
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<v Speaker 7>him personally and legally.

823
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's correct you. No, he said that she said

824
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<v Speaker 2>that he was wanted to have more in the real

825
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<v Speaker 2>life relationship, that she was willing to give and it

826
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<v Speaker 2>just wasn't going to happen. Wasn't going to happen. He

827
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<v Speaker 2>also said that he was going to divorce his wife,

828
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<v Speaker 2>but that was one of the things he was worried about,

829
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<v Speaker 2>was that if she did divorce him, he would lose

830
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<v Speaker 2>half his assets at the very least. It didn't take

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<v Speaker 2>long once the deliberations Carney was said by the prosecutor

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<v Speaker 2>that Carney gave a fantastic closing argument. However, it only

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<v Speaker 2>took two hours and forty minutes for the jury to

834
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<v Speaker 2>make the decision. Yes, it was a really quick decision.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no doubt in any of the jury's mind

836
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<v Speaker 2>that he was guilty. So what was the verdict, the sentence?

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<v Speaker 2>Where's he the Verot was guilty life without parole, and

838
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<v Speaker 2>Robert Aniston is still in jail to this day and

839
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<v Speaker 2>his appeals were upheld, so.

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<v Speaker 7>He's going to spend the rest of his life in

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<v Speaker 7>prison where he belongs. I want to thank you very

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<v Speaker 7>much for coming on and talking about this book, Murder

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<v Speaker 7>Outside the back Door, the true story of the murder

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<v Speaker 7>of a popular Salem, New Hampshire teacher by her husband.

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<v Speaker 7>The murder labeled as a Carls Stewart copycat. Thank you

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<v Speaker 7>very much for this interview.

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<v Speaker 2>For John.

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<v Speaker 7>For people that might want to take a look at

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<v Speaker 7>your other work, where could they go?

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<v Speaker 2>All my books on Amazon. There is Murder at the

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<v Speaker 2>Front Door, about a off duty Hampton, New Hampshire police

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<v Speaker 2>officer who had a thirteen year grudge against his neighbor

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<v Speaker 2>and killed him. And Murder by the Bathhouse Door, the

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<v Speaker 2>story of three boys who incessantly watched the movie Scream

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<v Speaker 2>Yes and wanted to see what it was like to

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<v Speaker 2>kill people killed two girls, which they did at a

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<v Speaker 2>park in Salem, New Hampshire, and again they are available

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<v Speaker 2>on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you very much, John Tomasi. Murder Outside the back Door,

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<v Speaker 7>the true story of the murder of a popular Salem,

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<v Speaker 7>New Hampshire teacher by her husband. The murder labeled as

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<v Speaker 7>a Charles Stewart copycat. Thank you very much for this

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<v Speaker 7>interview and you have a great evening and good night,

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks Dan, and always appreciate being here and it's fun.

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<v Speaker 7>Always a great pleasure speaking with you. Thank you, John, Bye,

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<v Speaker 7>damn tonight.