Speaker 1: With Lucky Land Slots, you can get lucky just about anywhere.
Speaker 2: Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today. Has anyone seen
Speaker 2: the bride and groom? Sri?
Speaker 3: Sorry we're here. We were getting lucky in the limo
Speaker 3: and we lost track of time.
Speaker 4: No Lucky Land casino with cash prizes that add up
Speaker 4: quicker than a guess registered.
Speaker 3: In that case, I pronounce you Lucky Hiks for free
Speaker 3: at Lucky Landslots dot com. Daily bonuses are waiting. No
Speaker 3: purchase necessary board.
Speaker 4: We're prohibited by lock eight team plus terms and conditions
Speaker 4: applying see website for details.
Speaker 5: It is Ryan here and I have a question for you.
Speaker 5: What do you do when you win? Like? Are you
Speaker 5: at fist pumper, a woo, a handclapper, a high fiver?
Speaker 5: I kind of like the high five. But if you
Speaker 5: want to hone in on those winning moves, check out
Speaker 5: Chumbuck Casino At chumbacasino dot com, choose some hundreds of
Speaker 5: social casino style games for your chance to redeem serious
Speaker 5: cash prizes. There are new game releases weekly, plus free
Speaker 5: daily bonuses, so don't wait. Start having the most fun
Speaker 5: ever at Chumbuck Casino dot com.
Speaker 4: Noe B just Necessary Dvoid Over Every Boy Lost a
Speaker 4: Conditions eighteen plus.
Speaker 6: You are now listening to True Murder, The most shocking
Speaker 6: killers in true crime history and the authors that have
Speaker 6: written about them Geesy Bundy, Dahmer.
Speaker 2: The Nightstalker DTK.
Speaker 6: Every week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking
Speaker 6: and infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with
Speaker 6: your host journalist and author Dan Zupanski, Good Evening.
Speaker 7: Greed, arrogance, and lust led Robert Anderson to kill his
Speaker 7: wife of nearly twenty years. He was a pillar of
Speaker 7: the community. He owned four service Master franchises. He was
Speaker 7: a Kiwanist member and former president, and a former teacher
Speaker 7: and athletic director at Salem High scho The combination of
Speaker 7: his love for money and infatuation with a younger girl
Speaker 7: led him to the brutal beating of his wife and
Speaker 7: subsequent attempt to frame an employee and former student. The
Speaker 7: death of his wife in Lawrence, Massachusetts, was considered an
Speaker 7: extreme act of rage and was initially attributed to the
Speaker 7: violence that was pervasive in the city at the time.
Speaker 7: The homicide was subsequently compared to the murder of Carol
Speaker 7: Stewart by her husband Charles Stewart five years earlier in Boston.
Speaker 7: That Stuart murder was also initially attributed to the violence
Speaker 7: of the city. Follow investigators from three agencies as they
Speaker 7: followed the evidence and tracked their quarry. In the end,
Speaker 7: justice reigned. The book they were featuring this evening is
Speaker 7: Murder Outside the back Door, The true story of the
Speaker 7: murder of a popular Salem, New Hampshire teacher by her husband,
Speaker 7: the murder labeled as a Charles Stewart copycat. With my
Speaker 7: special guest author John Tumasi.
Speaker 2: Dan, how you doing and thanks for having me. I
Speaker 2: enjoyed his podas, thank you so much for joining me
Speaker 2: with this Murder.
Speaker 7: Outside the back Door. Let's get right to this. February fourth,
Speaker 7: nineteen eighty four. Detective Phillips and the Salem is at
Speaker 7: the Salem Police Department, and so Andrew McGregor, his wife Linda,
Speaker 7: and daughter Cindy are there concerning an assault by a
Speaker 7: person named Robert Anderson. Tell us about what happens that day.
Speaker 7: What they tell Detective Phillips, Well.
Speaker 2: Cindy McGregor was a cheerleader at Central Catholic and they
Speaker 2: said that Robert Anderson, the athletic director. He also taught
Speaker 2: Jim Classes approached Cindy McGregor in the locker room and
Speaker 2: essentially assaulted her by starting to fondle her, and it
Speaker 2: was definitely unwanted, and Cindy pushed him away and she
Speaker 2: went home told her parents, and her parents.
Speaker 7: Came right to the police station. Now they have to
Speaker 7: speak to this Robert Anderson. So what does Robert Anderson
Speaker 7: do when he's asked about these allegations.
Speaker 2: He denied everything. He said, no, this didn't happen. You know,
Speaker 2: I did talk to her initially from outside the door
Speaker 2: of the girl's lock of rom across his office was
Speaker 2: in close proximity. And again he just continued to deny everything.
Speaker 7: Now, what does Cindy and her parents offer to do,
Speaker 7: because they're adamant that Cindy is telling the truth and
Speaker 7: they want the charges to be laid.
Speaker 2: Potentially, she agreed to take a polygraph and it wasn't
Speaker 2: Detective Phillips who brought it up. It was the family
Speaker 2: and she passed two polygraphs. And Cindy McGregor is known
Speaker 2: to me. She had married my cousin, Tim Brady a
Speaker 2: couple of years later, and Tim Brady is the boyfriend
Speaker 2: that was mentioned in the book later on.
Speaker 7: Now she passes this second polygraph, and this second polygraph
Speaker 7: is asked for by the attorney for Robert Anderson as
Speaker 7: an independent poul graphic examiner. So she passes that test.
Speaker 2: So police do what.
Speaker 7: In terms of a warrant and arrest, Well, they put
Speaker 7: out a warrant for his arrest. And Robert Anderson was
Speaker 7: a very highly respected individual in the community. He was
Speaker 7: a member of the Kawanas. He eventually became president of
Speaker 7: the Kawanas. And now they wanted to handle him with
Speaker 7: kid gloves. But as the saying goes, no one is
Speaker 7: above the law. So he turned himself in with his lawyer,
Speaker 7: John McCool after the warrant was issued for his arrest.
Speaker 7: It's very interesting there was a petition signed by about
Speaker 7: four hundred students. What was this petition and what was
Speaker 7: it detailing.
Speaker 2: What it said was they're not saying whether he was
Speaker 2: guilty or an ascent that they were in support of him.
Speaker 2: A lot of the students loved him. He hired one
Speaker 2: or two of his students at Serve Master for latter years.
Speaker 2: But no, essentially it came out in support and was
Speaker 2: published in the local newspaper, the Salem Observer. Now there's
Speaker 2: a three day trial for him with judge.
Speaker 7: Only interesting aspect of that is the it's unusual for
Speaker 7: a defendant to take the stand. You talk about Anderson
Speaker 7: taking the stand at this trial. And then the verdict
Speaker 7: in this three day trial.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the verdict was not guilty. It was moved. There
Speaker 2: was a change of venue to Hampton Beach. Judge Frager
Speaker 2: very highly respected and he would be what you call
Speaker 2: the cops judge. He was more conservative and if someone
Speaker 2: assaulted the police officer, there's a good chance they were
Speaker 2: going to jail. But after the jury trial, the reason
Speaker 2: why Anderson didn't want to have a jury trial, and
Speaker 2: I spoke to John McCool afterwards, was they were worried
Speaker 2: that he may the jury may sympathize with McGregor family,
Speaker 2: so they felt that they the Anderson team. When John
Speaker 2: McCool felt that the state didn't have enough to prove
Speaker 2: the case beyond a reasonable doubt.
Speaker 7: Part of the reason of the reasonable day out was
Speaker 7: friend a longtime friend of Robert and also of the
Speaker 7: couple he and his wife, as well a person named
Speaker 7: Ray Corlis, basically gay. Some very damning testimony or support
Speaker 7: of Robert Anderson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. Supposedly, Tim Brady, Cindy's boyfriend, went
Speaker 2: to talk to Anderson and said, hey, listen, what can
Speaker 2: we do to make this go away. Now, there's no
Speaker 2: doubt in my mind that didn't happen, because again, Tim
Speaker 2: Brady's my cousin, I know him very well. So Anderson
Speaker 2: got his friend who also happened to work for Anderson.
Speaker 2: Anderson was his direct boss, and he testified that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I heard Tim Brady say that to h Anderson. And
Speaker 2: again I think that was made up because what I
Speaker 2: say a lot of time in my books is the
Speaker 2: best judge of future behavior is past behavior. A number
Speaker 2: of years later, Anderson was also accused of an assault,
Speaker 2: and he tried to get one of his employees to
Speaker 2: say that that never happened. But she eventually told me
Speaker 2: doing police the next town over, that Anderson put her
Speaker 2: up to do it. So I think that Anderson put
Speaker 2: his subordinate up to doing it.
Speaker 7: You write about Robert's wife and her name is Amy,
Speaker 7: and she's supportive of him and thinks that this woman
Speaker 7: has put them through personal hell.
Speaker 2: Amy said that, yet this girl put my husband through
Speaker 2: how she stood behind her. Amy was an extremely popular
Speaker 2: English teacher at Salem High and they loved her. As
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, she had attended Salem High before
Speaker 2: she went to college, and she got voted Miss Salem High.
Speaker 2: She was a beautiful woman both inside and out. She
Speaker 2: very much stood behind Anderson when this was happening.
Speaker 7: You mentioned that in the beginning, when before this sexual
Speaker 7: assault charge came up, he was being considered as a
Speaker 7: principal of Merrimack High. But after this he was not
Speaker 7: in consideration, and he retired and went into the cleaning
Speaker 7: business and purchased eventually for service Master franchises.
Speaker 2: That is correct. The Salem High School conducted their own
Speaker 2: internal investigation, and they told no one the results of
Speaker 2: that investigation that I am aware of. But he retired
Speaker 2: from teaching and being the athletic director at the end
Speaker 2: of that school year, and he never never got the
Speaker 2: job and as principal of the other high school.
Speaker 7: Now you right about and as we mentioned in the synopsis,
Speaker 7: was about Charles Stewart. This is October twenty third, nineteen
Speaker 7: eighty nine, and there's the dispatcher here is I need help.
Speaker 7: My wife's been shot. Tell us about Charles Stewart and
Speaker 7: what happens October twenty third, nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 8: Charles Stuart was allegedly having an affair with one of
Speaker 8: his help He worked in Boston at a well in Boston,
Speaker 8: a well known furrier on a Newbury Street and Mike Anderson.
Speaker 2: Stuart was very concerned with money. His wife was eight
Speaker 2: months pregnant and they had gone to a birthing class
Speaker 2: at Peter Brigham Hospital and on the way back, he
Speaker 2: said he was accosted by a black man in Boston
Speaker 2: who shot him in the stomach and shot his wife
Speaker 2: and she died within twenty four hours. But one of
Speaker 2: the things he really didn't want to have a child's
Speaker 2: child Stewit didn't really want to have a child because
Speaker 2: his wife, who was a very successful tax attorney, would
Speaker 2: have lost her income. Was I know FLMA at the time.
Speaker 7: You talk about also that there was a brave and
Speaker 7: courageous emergency cesarean performed and the baby boy was delivered
Speaker 7: eight weeks premature. However, that baby only lived for seventeen
Speaker 7: days and suffering from auction to deprivation in the womb.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct, that it was really tragic and the
Speaker 2: mother and baby boy were buried together, and the baby
Speaker 2: boy the parents took her name on the gravestone. They
Speaker 2: want nothing to do with childs, do it now?
Speaker 7: You talk about this, he says that there's a black
Speaker 7: man and raspy voice, black jogging pants with red stripes.
Speaker 7: So the city is outraged at such a crime, and
Speaker 7: so the police conduct their investigation. You write that Charles
Speaker 7: is in the hospital. He writes heartfelt eulogy for because
Speaker 7: he can't attend the funeral.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he had this all planned and won. During
Speaker 2: this time period from October until January, when Chiles stood
Speaker 2: was eventually found out. The Boston police were flooding the
Speaker 2: minority neighborhoods of Boston at the time, Mission Hill, Jamaica, Planes, Roxbury,
Speaker 2: and they were just doing typical stopping frisks. They made
Speaker 2: one arrest of one person, but they didn't have enough evidence,
Speaker 2: so they let him go. And they just could not
Speaker 2: find someone.
Speaker 7: You write that they arrest at a homeless man, however,
Speaker 7: squatting in a vacant building, and they found the black
Speaker 7: jogging suit in a pan of water, and he had
Speaker 7: a raspy voice, so he fits somewhat you say he
Speaker 7: was soon released.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct. There was nothing more than circumstantial evidence,
Speaker 2: and Boston police further investigated that individual and determined it
Speaker 2: wasn't he who did the murder.
Speaker 7: Now, on December twenty eighth, Charles Stewart is in has
Speaker 7: a lineup in front of him. He identifies a person
Speaker 7: named Willy Bennett. Tell us about this lineup and who
Speaker 7: Willy Bennett is.
Speaker 2: Willie Bennett had previously been in jail for shooting the
Speaker 2: Boston cop. He was out on parole, and I think
Speaker 2: that Stuart had some full knowledge of who Willy Bennett was.
Speaker 2: So we picked them and Boston Police said, okay, we
Speaker 2: are going to arrest him and we have man, and
Speaker 2: they were Boston. Spoke to a friend of mine who
Speaker 2: was a Boston police officer at the time, and he
Speaker 2: told me that they were really happy to get Willie
Speaker 2: Bennett off the streets.
Speaker 7: You're right that only five days later though, six days later,
Speaker 7: as you write, the shoe drops and Matthew Stewart comes forward.
Speaker 2: What does he have to tell police? Matthew Stuart is
Speaker 2: Charles Stuart's brother, and Matthew Stuart was the person that
Speaker 2: who met Chiles Stuart. After Charles shot his wife and
Speaker 2: then himself in the stomach, and he gave Matthew Childs,
Speaker 2: gave Matthew the gun and his wife's pocket book, and
Speaker 2: Matthew got rid of those. He threw it off a
Speaker 2: bridge in Revere, both the pocketbook and the gun, how
Speaker 2: and he kept his mouth shut all the time during
Speaker 2: the investigation until Willie Bennett was arrested. And Matthew had
Speaker 2: a case of the conscience, of a conscience, and he
Speaker 2: said to Boston police, you've arrested the wrong man. It
Speaker 2: was my brother who did it, and this is what happened.
Speaker 2: So they they ended up putting out a warrant for
Speaker 2: a Stuart's arrest.
Speaker 7: Now, as you say, too, the black community now with
Speaker 7: this knowledge, is outraged, understandably, So yeah, hundreds of blacks
Speaker 7: were harassed and demean What happens the next day they
Speaker 7: find Charles Stuart's abandoned on the lower deck of the
Speaker 7: Tobin Bridge, which goes over the Mystic River. He left
Speaker 7: a suicide note. It was later confirmed that it was
Speaker 7: his handwriting. They did a search of the Mystic River
Speaker 7: and Boston Harbor and they found his body and it
Speaker 7: was labeled.
Speaker 2: As a suicide. But there's a little bit of a
Speaker 2: twist to that.
Speaker 7: And what's that twist. There's a rumor that you read about.
Speaker 2: Yet saw it on a number of websites and the
Speaker 2: friends I spoken to in Boston police confirmed the rumor,
Speaker 2: and they were divided as to whether it really happened. Supposedly,
Speaker 2: Stuart's wife's in laws owned a sub shop in the
Speaker 2: Boston area and they were somewhat connect the rum We're
Speaker 2: on the streets and a number of websites said that
Speaker 2: Stuart's wife's Stuart's father in law contacted some wise guys.
Speaker 2: They broke into Charles Stuart's apartment, made them write the
Speaker 2: suicide note, then drowned them in the toilet bowl. They
Speaker 2: then took chiles in the body of Charles Stuart in
Speaker 2: his car to the Tobin Bridge and threw them over
Speaker 2: the bridge. From what I was able to glean on
Speaker 2: the car in this report and the autopsy of child Stuart,
Speaker 2: there was water in the lungs, but it was never
Speaker 2: tested as to whether it was fresh water that would
Speaker 2: be present in the toilet bowl or the brackish water
Speaker 2: of the Mystic River. So that rumor is still pervasive today.
Speaker 7: Well, now, in terms for this story here, there are
Speaker 7: people that the police authorities that look into the background
Speaker 7: of this case to look for motives for Charles Stewart specifically.
Speaker 7: So what do they find in terms of some very
Speaker 7: interesting things that we will use to compare and other
Speaker 7: people will used to compare the Charles Stewart case to
Speaker 7: the Robert Anderson case later.
Speaker 2: The first one was he was allegedly having an affayre
Speaker 2: with a woman who worked for him in the furrier shop. Child.
Speaker 2: Stewart was the manager, not the owner, of the furious shop,
Speaker 2: and he had alling a gun and that was the
Speaker 2: gun he used to kill his wife and shoot himself
Speaker 2: in the stomach. When this alleged affair came out and
Speaker 2: the woman who Stuart was supposedly having the affair with
Speaker 2: denied and he said we were just good friends and
Speaker 2: nothing ever happened. Right and again, like Anderson, Stewart was
Speaker 2: obsessed with money and he didn't want to have his
Speaker 2: wife lose that income while she was caring for the baby.
Speaker 2: We mentioned too that he had stolen the gun from
Speaker 2: the furriers. That's correct, Yes, he had, he did steal
Speaker 2: the gun.
Speaker 7: Okay, now you take us to January in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 7: Just before that, you write that police recruits would study
Speaker 7: this case, and this made international news in certain places.
Speaker 2: And you say that.
Speaker 7: Police recruits were not the only ones who studied the
Speaker 7: Stewart murder case.
Speaker 2: Is what you write.
Speaker 7: You say, Robert Anderson took note Fred Riol, the lead
Speaker 7: detective from Salem, New Hampshire, who assisted Lawrence Police where
Speaker 7: the murder happened, in his interviews and talking with Anderson,
Speaker 7: and he also talked to some friends of Anderson, and
Speaker 7: he thought that Anderson had studied the child Stuart murder
Speaker 7: case and he would not make the mistakes that Chiles
Speaker 7: Stewart did, such as confining and brother. But they felt
Speaker 7: Fred Riahl felt that, yep, this guy studied Stuart, the
Speaker 7: Stewart case, and he copied the murder. You take us
Speaker 7: to January nineteen ninety two and Wendy Jack and you
Speaker 7: say that they are friends with Bob and Amy Anderson
Speaker 7: since student teaching days in nineteen seventy five, and Bob
Speaker 7: was entrusted to check on their place while they were
Speaker 7: on vacation. He had a key to their house. What
Speaker 7: had Wendy Jack forgotten about in that house.
Speaker 2: Her father was living with him and he died. He
Speaker 2: was elderly, he was ninety one, I believe, And when
Speaker 2: she was going through his belongings in his room in
Speaker 2: that house, she never knew about the twenty five caliber gun.
Speaker 2: And that was the gun that Anderson used to shoot
Speaker 2: his wife, amongst doing other things to her, actually not
Speaker 2: shoot his wife. He ended up leaving the gun there
Speaker 2: at the murdersing you take.
Speaker 7: Us in this chapter you call the twenty four Days
Speaker 7: of Christmas. This is October to November nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 7: and Bob Anderson, as the ServiceMaster company director, gets an
Speaker 7: angry call from a customer about a job not done
Speaker 7: well enough. Tell us about his visit to this apartment
Speaker 7: who he meets and this major character in this story.
Speaker 2: The customer's name's Backavoy, and they had complained that his company,
Speaker 2: serf Pro at the time Serfmasters, did a cleaning of
Speaker 2: their apartment, but there were still some stains left in it.
Speaker 2: So Anderson went there, knocked on the door, and the
Speaker 2: daughter answered him, and right from the get go, who
Speaker 2: was totally infatuated with her, he said he would send
Speaker 2: his best team to clean the apartment all over again
Speaker 2: to take care of the stains that were left behind,
Speaker 2: which he did, which they did, and he eventually asked
Speaker 2: her out to lunch.
Speaker 7: At lunch, he got some information about her financial situation,
Speaker 7: but also that she was a very young and attractive woman,
Speaker 7: and he talked to and offered.
Speaker 2: Her a job. What was this job that he described.
Speaker 2: She was a single parent and she was living there
Speaker 2: with her parents, and the parents would baby, said the child.
Speaker 2: When she worked. She had a small retail job. Anderson
Speaker 2: offered her a position in his company as marketing and
Speaker 2: paid her fair amount of money at that time, and
Speaker 2: her job was took accompany him when he went to
Speaker 2: see clients. He asked her to dress in a very
Speaker 2: sexy manner with shot skirts high heels, because he said
Speaker 2: that sex cells and that was her job. And she
Speaker 2: testified later on in court she never did. She didn't
Speaker 2: have any qualifications for that, and she never did anything
Speaker 2: more than go with Anderson to see clients and then
Speaker 2: sit in provocative manners. When Anderson was talking to clients,
Speaker 2: one of his trusted employees he introduce is Bill Prince.
Speaker 2: Who is Bill Prince in relation to Robert Anderson and
Speaker 2: he's part of the cleanup crew. Bill was a former
Speaker 2: student of Anderson, and he went into the Marines after
Speaker 2: high school. When he came out, he sought out Anderson.
Speaker 2: Anderson was one of his favorite teachers. The boys in
Speaker 2: school loved him, the girls there were a lot of
Speaker 2: mixed feelings. Supposedly, what he did to Cindy McGregor he
Speaker 2: had done to one or two other girls, but they
Speaker 2: never came forward until he was arrested later on for
Speaker 2: the murder of his wife. But Prince was offered a
Speaker 2: job by Anderson, and he turned out to be one
Speaker 2: of his best workers.
Speaker 7: This idea that he introduces Pam McAvoy to his twenty
Speaker 7: four Days of Christmas. He had said to her that
Speaker 7: he had this introduced, this plan to give gifts to
Speaker 7: his wife and his child from December first to December
Speaker 7: twenty fourth, and so he said he was going to
Speaker 7: do the same with her. What kind of gifts are
Speaker 7: we talking about here?
Speaker 2: Exactly? He gave her gifts anywhere from no Teddy beer
Speaker 2: to expensive jewelry, to taking her out for dinner in
Speaker 2: Boston and then going to see a play afterwards. He
Speaker 2: spent a lot of money on her.
Speaker 7: Amy became aware of this and questioned him and was
Speaker 7: concerned about the relationship.
Speaker 2: What did he say this relationship was. He said that
Speaker 2: the relationship was totally platonic, nothing more than employer employee,
Speaker 2: and he felt really bad for her because she was
Speaker 2: real a struggling mom and just he was trying to
Speaker 2: do his good deed for the day.
Speaker 7: Anderson has a bookkeeper and family friend, and she notices
Speaker 7: the additional credit charges recently and his mood changes. She
Speaker 7: says he was more brooding. She asked him where the
Speaker 7: new money in the account was coming from. What was
Speaker 7: his answer to her? He said, essentially was you got
Speaker 7: to spend money to make money. We're doing a lot
Speaker 7: of marketing, We're going on business trips. He had taken
Speaker 7: Tim McAvoy to a trip down to Worcester where they
Speaker 7: stayed for a night, but they did there that night
Speaker 7: is still up to debate. Like Charles Stewart's alleged affair,
Speaker 7: Pam denied that they ever had any connal.
Speaker 2: Knowledge of each other. Talking to the investigators in the
Speaker 2: case both in Lawrence and Salem. This split as to
Speaker 2: whether they were actually have an affair. It was just platonic.
Speaker 7: Now another character is introduced to Judge Bob Marshall. He's
Speaker 7: the president of the local Kawana's Club. He's known Robert
Speaker 7: Anderson for about ten years, but he has no choice
Speaker 7: in his mind, but the call police.
Speaker 2: What's this all about?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Well, when Bob Marshall, who was well loved by Salem
Speaker 2: police and everyone else in Salem, he was the president
Speaker 2: of the Kawana's Club and noticed those fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: missing that couldn't be accounted for. Fred Rilt got involved
Speaker 2: in the case and long behold, Robert Anderson was the
Speaker 2: treasurer of the Kiwana's clubs. So what they felt very strongly,
Speaker 2: and Fred said he had more than enough evidence to
Speaker 2: issue a warrant and get a conviction of Robert Anderson
Speaker 2: for embezzling that fifty thousand dollars from the corners. But
Speaker 2: Judge Massill chose not to go forward. Instead, Anderson was
Speaker 2: forced to leave the corners and they didn't They the
Speaker 2: Kowaners didn't want to go forward because that would give
Speaker 2: them a very bad name and they felt that it
Speaker 2: would hurt contributions. And I can't speak highly enough about
Speaker 2: the Corners in general, and particularly in Sale in New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: They do really good work with a lot of donations
Speaker 2: to charity, but they didn't charge him, and Anderson got
Speaker 2: away supposedly with fifty thousand dollars that he was supposed
Speaker 2: to pay back. That was an agreement he made with
Speaker 2: Judge Marshall that he would pay back the money, but
Speaker 2: circumstances eventually prevented that. You write that.
Speaker 7: Meanwhile, in Mithune, Massachusetts, there's some frozen pipes are especially
Speaker 7: good for winter and the service mass in Robert Anderson's business,
Speaker 7: and he goes to a door for somebody that has
Speaker 7: made a call that he's done some work. Francesca Lopez
Speaker 7: answers the door. Tell us about his interaction with Francesca Lopez.
Speaker 2: Well, this goes back to what I said earlier that
Speaker 2: the best judge of future behavior is past behavior. Frances
Speaker 2: He goes into the family house and sees Francisco Lopez.
Speaker 2: She's seventeen years old, and he is once again totally
Speaker 2: enamored by her, and he offers her a position as
Speaker 2: a marketing specialist. That's what he called it. I'm not
Speaker 2: getting specialist. He ends up fixing, cleaning everything. He sends
Speaker 2: a crew in. He came in himself and he asks Francesca,
Speaker 2: I'll give you a fair amount of money again and
Speaker 2: could you accompany me. I have this client in Londonderry, Londonderry,
Speaker 2: New Hampshire, and you can see what the job entails.
Speaker 2: Can you very can you dress very sexy? Wear a
Speaker 2: short skirt, high heels and plunging neckline. So they end
Speaker 2: up going to Londonderry. She agrees to this. They talked
Speaker 2: to a client there and Anderson then tells Lopez, all right,
Speaker 2: I'll bring it back to your family home. And allegedly
Speaker 2: what he did was molest her in the van, inlested
Speaker 2: her the man, she pushed him off, ran in and
Speaker 2: told her parents who the father wanted to kill Anderson.
Speaker 2: So the very next day, like the mcgregors, the Lopezes
Speaker 2: went to the local police station, but doing mass and
Speaker 2: spoke to Peter Rainl who's a good friend of mine,
Speaker 2: very good detective. And Peter took up the case and
Speaker 2: they had a warrant for Anderson's arrest that was eventually
Speaker 2: served in Sale, New Hampshire, with the summons to appear
Speaker 2: in court and again future behavior and past behavior. Anderson
Speaker 2: went to one of his employees, a female, and said, Hey, listen,
Speaker 2: my wife's going to divorce me. This didn't happen. This
Speaker 2: girl is making allegations that never happened. I need you
Speaker 2: to say you were in the back seat of the
Speaker 2: van and say that this never happened.
Speaker 7: Now, how do police react when they learned that this
Speaker 7: Linda Stevens. Are they suspicious and how do they act?
Speaker 2: Accordingly? They're very suspicious. They are very suspicious. They feel
Speaker 2: that this didn't happen. At some point, detective Phillips from
Speaker 2: Salem had got in touch with Pete Reno. There was
Speaker 2: a lot of cross border work amongst the detectives in
Speaker 2: doing mass in Salem, New Hampshire. They border each other
Speaker 2: and Phillips had told Reino about what had happened in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four with McGregor, and they play ended up
Speaker 2: playing good cop, bad cop and Anderson's employees employee eventually
Speaker 2: admitted that, yeah, this is what Robert Anderson did, and
Speaker 2: he pretty much forced me to lie for him. He's
Speaker 2: my boss and I didn't want to lose my job.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, so they don't involve her in this. You write
Speaker 7: that February February eleventh, Unlike in nineteen eighty four, Amy
Speaker 7: Anderson is very upset and not very supportive at all,
Speaker 7: and she was talking now about divorce and so over
Speaker 7: the next two weeks, you say, you're right that he
Speaker 7: tries to smooth over relations with his wife. But by
Speaker 7: the end of February, however, she's still considered divorced. You know,
Speaker 7: energy drinks just make me jittery. I drink coffee, but
Speaker 7: I find that more than one cup of day doesn't
Speaker 7: really do that much for me. In order to do
Speaker 7: interviews with authors, I first start with reading their entire book,
Speaker 7: typically three to four hundred pages, and then I go
Speaker 7: back and I make about twenty five to thirty pages
Speaker 7: of notes. The week I started to drink Magic Mind,
Speaker 7: I happened to have two episodes scheduled, meaning two books
Speaker 7: to read and two interviews to do. After taking Magic
Speaker 7: Mind for just a week, I recognized that I was
Speaker 7: more productive, I felt sharper, and I was overall in
Speaker 7: a better mood that week. It gave me more mental energy,
Speaker 7: more mental stamina. Magic Mind has all natural ingredients, no sugar,
Speaker 7: not free vegan, keto and paleo friendly. It contains matcha
Speaker 7: nature's extended release caffeine. Magic Mind has neotropics and adaptogens,
Speaker 7: including Lion's main mushrooms and ash waganda, among other important
Speaker 7: ingredients that address memory, cognitive ability, stress, and inflammation. If
Speaker 7: you're like me, a person looking for something natural that
Speaker 7: gives you real mental energy, I totally recommend you try it.
Speaker 7: You can get it at magicmind dot com slash true
Speaker 7: murder with my code true Murder twenty. You also get
Speaker 7: up to fifty six percent off your first subscription or
Speaker 7: twenty percent off your one time purchase. That's true Murder
Speaker 7: twenty or fifty six percent off. It also works if
Speaker 7: you're already a subscriber. You save on your next subscribing
Speaker 7: payment if you're not feeling one hundred percent some days. Also,
Speaker 7: I would really encourage you to try it out. So
Speaker 7: it's www dot magic mi n d dot com slash
Speaker 7: t r U E m U r d R and
Speaker 7: get up to fifty six percent off your subscription for
Speaker 7: the next ten days with my code true Murder twenty.
Speaker 7: I'd get the thirty pack if.
Speaker 2: I was you.
Speaker 7: It's the best value now you write then. In January
Speaker 7: twenty four, nineteen ninety four, another important character in this story,
Speaker 7: Rebecca O'Brien calls and she's not happy with service Master
Speaker 7: job done a few days previous, and they had moved
Speaker 7: in and out of this house when this cleanup was
Speaker 7: going on by Service Master. What did she notice after
Speaker 7: the visit regarding her husband's property.
Speaker 2: I'm noimeter gun was listen. Jeez, I wonder how that happened, right?
Speaker 7: And also you write that there was a burglary reported
Speaker 7: at Industrial Park and security guard didn't see anything except
Speaker 7: he thought he saw a Service Master van, but he
Speaker 7: wasn't quite sure.
Speaker 2: That is correct. It was cleaning equipment was stolen, and
Speaker 2: they really didn't have any suspects outside of that maybe
Speaker 2: elusive service Master van.
Speaker 7: You take us now to a very important date February
Speaker 7: twenty fifth, nineteen ninety four and the site of the
Speaker 7: Shahmat Bank and the manager Judis Smith, what's going on
Speaker 7: there with Robert Anderson.
Speaker 2: It was a cold winter and she had burrist pipes
Speaker 2: in the cellar and so she needed Anderson's crew to
Speaker 2: come in and clean everything up.
Speaker 7: There was an issue where a restaurant that had gone
Speaker 7: out of business was next door at Cherry and Webb,
Speaker 7: and there was a heating and cooling ducts were connected
Speaker 7: between the buildings. Tell us what happens with Robert Anderson
Speaker 7: and Paul Medola at this bank all.
Speaker 2: Medola is the custodian, and Anderson said, hmm, there's a
Speaker 2: dust problem and sham at back and Cherry and Webb
Speaker 2: shared the same ventilation system, so could Medola let me?
Speaker 2: And he's saying this to the bank manager and I
Speaker 2: just want to check everything out. So they end up
Speaker 2: going into a boiler room. Anderson is there alone Mendola
Speaker 2: Mandola is doing other custodio things, and eventually they leave
Speaker 2: the building and Anderson says, oh, dammit, I forgot one
Speaker 2: of my tools. Mandola gives him a key to the
Speaker 2: Cherry and Webb's building, and Anderson said to him, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll give this to the bank manager when I'm done,
Speaker 2: but he never did that, so he ended up having
Speaker 2: the key to Cherry and Webbs. You're right there.
Speaker 7: That night, Bob and Amy Anderson go out to meet
Speaker 7: their good friends, longtime friends, Ray Corlis and his wife
Speaker 7: Julie at a restaurant, and they seem to be a
Speaker 7: happy couple. Julie, though, ever see something amiss at the
Speaker 7: end of the night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she felt that all was not well in Paradise
Speaker 2: and she related this to her husband. Her husband was
Speaker 2: the principle of Salem High at the time, again very
Speaker 2: well respected, and he said, ah, now everything's fine, and
Speaker 2: they had he had no idea what was coming down
Speaker 2: the road.
Speaker 7: You're right of February twenty sixth, nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 2: It's six fifty four pm and.
Speaker 7: The Lawrence Police Department dispatch your answers. She's asked, what's
Speaker 7: the matter? What kind of respons does you get on
Speaker 7: the line?
Speaker 2: And from who?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 2: A frantic male voice. That male voice is Robert Anderson,
Speaker 2: and he's saying, my wife has been killed. She whereby
Speaker 2: She's in the van behind the shah Met pocin lot.
Speaker 2: Send help. I love my wife. She's hurt real bad.
Speaker 7: Who was there and who do they speak to? And
Speaker 7: what is the condition? Obviously of Amy Anderson.
Speaker 2: Patrolman hat the wall was right around the corner in
Speaker 2: the police station. The police station and the fire station
Speaker 2: were about a block and a half from the Shaman back.
Speaker 2: They get there, it starts snowing lightly and Walla just
Speaker 2: calls that help. We've had a very brutal murder. Amy
Speaker 2: Anderson was in the driver's seat of the van. She
Speaker 2: was stabbed multiple times with the blunt object. It turned
Speaker 2: out to be a Phillips screwdriver, and she had some
Speaker 2: very serious slashes on her head. It was amazing that
Speaker 2: she made it to the hospital alive. She made it
Speaker 2: through the night waller radios and that Okay, we've got
Speaker 2: a serious murder here. It's brutal, and I need detectives.
Speaker 2: Brian Barochus is the first detective on the scene, and
Speaker 2: the first thing he notices is the only tracks in
Speaker 2: the snow. And again it was a very light snow.
Speaker 2: The only tracks of the snow were the tracks leading
Speaker 2: from and to the van, no other tracks outside of
Speaker 2: Patrolman Wallace Bryan was also on the station and he
Speaker 2: had gotten there before the ambulance came. Unfortunately, he didn't
Speaker 2: take any pictures of that.
Speaker 7: So they also speak to William Prince, and they also
Speaker 7: get Robert Anderson's story of events. What is the difference
Speaker 7: in those stories or the similarities.
Speaker 2: William Prince is downstairs with another employee there cleaning, and
Speaker 2: he testified that Anderson had asked Robert Anderson asked Amy
Speaker 2: to go buy some coffee and everything, some refreshments for
Speaker 2: the crew. But the crew said, oh no, we don't
Speaker 2: need it. We're all going to be here about an
Speaker 2: hour and a half. Oh no, no, we need it.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to walk Amy out to the van.
Speaker 2: And Amy said there is no need to The van's
Speaker 2: just outside the back door. And Anderson said, hey, this
Speaker 2: is Lawrence and Lawrence is very violent, which they were
Speaker 2: having a state of serious crimes. Lawrence does have a
Speaker 2: high crime rate. So he said he was going to
Speaker 2: walk her out to the van. He came back in
Speaker 2: twenty minutes later. They're asking she is, where's Amy? She
Speaker 2: was just supposed to go right down the road. Anderson says,
Speaker 2: let me go all back and check. And that's when
Speaker 2: he comes screaming back into the bank saying Amy's been hurt.
Speaker 2: She's hurt, real bad. I've got to call the police.
Speaker 2: And right from the get go he blamed it on
Speaker 2: the violence of Lawrence. How did police conduct their investigation?
Speaker 2: And knowing that Robert Anderson is their likely suspect in this,
Speaker 2: they interview everyone there and they can't find any tracks
Speaker 2: anywhere in the snow that's on the sidewalk or anywhere
Speaker 2: else at the time. They also noticed some tracks leading
Speaker 2: into the cherry and web building again that was adjacent
Speaker 2: to the Charma bank. However, that didn't register right away.
Speaker 2: So now they want to interview Anderson. Amy had died
Speaker 2: through the night. It was amazing she lived that one.
Speaker 2: She lived till six point thirty the next morning, and
Speaker 2: they asked to interview Anderson. So he comes into the
Speaker 2: police station the following day at eight o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 7: Now they're looking for three different weapons, and when they
Speaker 7: do the autopsy, it is revealed the extent of this angry,
Speaker 7: more than angry assault on this woman. So tell us
Speaker 7: about the injuries that were inflicted by these three different weapons.
Speaker 2: They had some serious slashes and the scalp that went
Speaker 2: down to the bone. There were puncture mocks in her
Speaker 2: face and in her shoulders, and it wasn't caused by
Speaker 2: a knife, these punch mocks. It was by a round
Speaker 2: blunt instrument, similar to say a screwdriver, whether it be
Speaker 2: a straight or a Phillips screwdriver. And they couldn't find
Speaker 2: the murder weapons at the time. They decide to make
Speaker 2: an arrest.
Speaker 7: There is a wake land for Amy and a funeral.
Speaker 7: When did they decide to make an arrest on Robert Anderson.
Speaker 2: It was that Thursday night at the wake. The funeral
Speaker 2: was going to be the next day, and both sale
Speaker 2: and police and Lawrence police are going to wait. They're
Speaker 2: putting surveillance on Anderson and they're going to wait till
Speaker 2: after the wake. However, Amy Anderson was loved. It's the
Speaker 2: middle of winter and the line is off the door
Speaker 2: into the pocketing lot and down the street. There was
Speaker 2: a about an hour and twenty minute wait, so it
Speaker 2: was a get nine thirty. The weight was supposed to
Speaker 2: end at nine, but they prolonged the hours. The funeral
Speaker 2: home prolonged the hours, and they decided to just go
Speaker 2: in and arrest Anderson. And again there was Salem Police.
Speaker 2: Detective Phillips was there, and they went in and informed
Speaker 2: Anderson that he was under arrest for the murder of
Speaker 2: his wife. And Anderson said, really, you had to do
Speaker 2: it now, now, you couldn't wait till after the funeral.
Speaker 2: Phillips looked them squeally in the eye and said, Robert,
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for you, there wouldn't be awakened funeral
Speaker 2: and At that point, Amy's brother, who never really liked
Speaker 2: his brother in law, lunched for Anderson and he was
Speaker 2: held back by police who were there, and they put
Speaker 2: the handcuffs on Anderson watched them out of the station.
Speaker 2: And as he's being marched out of the station, the principal,
Speaker 2: who had dinner with the Andersons, call Us, said to
Speaker 2: one of the detectives, Fred riol Fred, I hope you
Speaker 2: know what you're doing. And fred just stopped and looked
Speaker 2: at Carlus and said, you know, when it comes to
Speaker 2: first degree murder, I always know what I'm doing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that Jesus has an opportunity to stop to hear
Speaker 7: these messages.
Speaker 3: Judy was boring Hello. Then Judy discovered chumbu Casino dot com.
Speaker 2: It's my little escape.
Speaker 3: Now Judy's the life of the party.
Speaker 7: Oh baby, mama is bringing home the bacon.
Speaker 4: Oh take it easy, Judy. The chumber life is for everybody.
Speaker 4: So go to chumbacasino dot com. Plenty over one hundred
Speaker 4: casino style games. Join today and playing for free for
Speaker 4: your chance to redeem some serious prices.
Speaker 3: Jump jump at casino dot com No for just necessary
Speaker 3: poly We're going to go on a team plus turns
Speaker 3: and condition to pl se what's every.
Speaker 1: Details With everything you have on your plate, Earning your
Speaker 1: degree online seems impossible, But at Grand Canyon University, we
Speaker 1: specialize in helping you fit a master's degree in business
Speaker 1: into your busy day. Your graduation team, led by your
Speaker 1: own GCU counselor, provides you with the personal support you
Speaker 1: need to succeed achieve your goals. With a plan and
Speaker 1: team behind you, find your purpose at Grand Canyon University.
Speaker 1: Visit GCU dot edu.
Speaker 2: Now he is set to go to trial.
Speaker 7: The issues that are very important is that a blood
Speaker 7: spatter expert, Morgan Dexter dozen analysis of the jacket and
Speaker 7: despite him cradling his wife's head and blood being on
Speaker 7: the jacket, you talk about three different types of stains,
Speaker 7: impact stain, transfer stain, and a projected impact stain, them
Speaker 7: all being different and all basically being damning testimony at
Speaker 7: this trial.
Speaker 2: With this analysis of that jacket, that's correct. What she testified,
Speaker 2: which was very damning evidence, was that when you shab someone,
Speaker 2: there's going to be blood spatter, and that blood spatter
Speaker 2: is going to come back on the person who did
Speaker 2: the stabbing, particularly if it's a blunt instrument more so
Speaker 2: than say a knife with a shot point. And what
Speaker 2: this spatter looks like is a blob with a little
Speaker 2: tail at the end, and that is exactly what Anderson
Speaker 2: had on his jacket. That evidence was overwhelming, and it
Speaker 2: was obviously it turned out to be Amy's blood.
Speaker 7: Very interesting when there, it's very important that they find
Speaker 7: the murder weapons themselves. They go to visit Judas Myth
Speaker 7: at j Sean mcbank and she hadn't found a red
Speaker 7: police had found murder weapons. And she was asked if
Speaker 7: she was ever given back the key to the Cherry
Speaker 7: and Web store. No, So they eventually led detectives. Jack
Speaker 7: McDonald from Lawrence was the lead detective. They led him
Speaker 7: back into the store, into the Cherry and Web building
Speaker 7: and the custodian medolo said, hey, listen, he spent a
Speaker 7: lot of time in the boiler room. So they go
Speaker 7: into the boiler room.
Speaker 2: They're looking around the high ceilings, ten foot high ceilings.
Speaker 2: It's dropped ceiling and one of the other detectives notices
Speaker 2: a brown stain on the floor. And that's what happens
Speaker 2: to blood when it coagulates and drives. It's a brown
Speaker 2: as shred he noticed. He looks up and notices that
Speaker 2: one of the ceiling tiles is askew. They find a ladder.
Speaker 2: He goes up, and that's where they found the murder weapons.
Speaker 2: So evidently, after Anderson had killed his wife, he went
Speaker 2: to the cherry and web store. Those were the footres
Speaker 2: in the snow and deposited the weapons in the ceiling.
Speaker 2: And those weapons had fingerprints. There was the twenty five
Speaker 2: caliber there also that had as much fingerprint and had
Speaker 2: Amy's blood. So Amy's blood on the murder weapons, Anderson's fingerprints.
Speaker 2: They got him.
Speaker 7: You were asked by fred Riohl to look at this
Speaker 7: case because of your background. Tell us about your background
Speaker 7: that comes into play in this, and also tell us
Speaker 7: about this the assets being tied up.
Speaker 2: Give us this strategy that you had. Yeah, my background
Speaker 2: is I have two master's degrees, one in business another
Speaker 2: one in economics, and I was working in the business
Speaker 2: world and got tired of the business world became a
Speaker 2: carp But I also started teaching college economics and finance classes,
Speaker 2: particularly accounting. So I said to Freddie, hey, listen, he's
Speaker 2: going to be spending a ton of money on a
Speaker 2: team of lawyers. We have to find out where all
Speaker 2: his accounts are and we have to freeze those accounts
Speaker 2: so he doesn't have access to that money. Again, I
Speaker 2: was teaching accounting. We ended up looking at Anderson's books.
Speaker 2: It was easy to confirm that the fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: he had previously stolen from the Kuwanas went into his
Speaker 2: checking account. The Anderson family lawyer, Jimmy Coppernito, worked his
Speaker 2: ass off. They found out where his assets were and
Speaker 2: they also found some safety deposit boxes. We had stashed
Speaker 2: away a lot of money and jewelry, and they froze
Speaker 2: all of those assets. So Anderson didn't have access to
Speaker 2: any of the money that he so valued so much,
Speaker 2: and he had to get a public defender. Now take
Speaker 2: us to the trial.
Speaker 7: He has a competent attorney named Carney, and they have
Speaker 7: an idea to vigorously defend him. The prosecutor is mccollery,
Speaker 7: and he has eight things the significant and evidence to
Speaker 7: be able to convict this person first degree murder, life
Speaker 7: with no parole. What are the key things that happened
Speaker 7: at this trial in terms of Robert Anderson testifying, Connie
Speaker 7: was probably one of the best trial.
Speaker 2: Lawyers in Massachusetts at the time, and he did the
Speaker 2: case for free. He did pro bono, as they like
Speaker 2: to call it. I suspect he wanted to get the publicity,
Speaker 2: which he did, And what you typically do in a
Speaker 2: murder case is you tried to put the blame on
Speaker 2: someone else, and that's exactly what they tried to do here.
Speaker 2: They tried to put the blame on William Prince, Anderson's
Speaker 2: former student and employee, who was his best worker. And
Speaker 2: they attempted to do that.
Speaker 7: They tried to put reasonable doubt that William Prince could
Speaker 7: have had the opportunity to kill Amy, and then they
Speaker 7: had a kind of sketchy motive why.
Speaker 2: He might do that. He was jealous, Yeah, the motive
Speaker 2: was that he was infatuated with Amy and she had
Speaker 2: spurned him. But there was absolutely no evidence to that effect,
Speaker 2: none whatsoever. He was always very respectful. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, after Amy died, he had gone to the
Speaker 2: house to pay his respects and was just there for
Speaker 2: a little while before he left, talking about Prince and
Speaker 2: finding out a little bit about his background. Great guy,
Speaker 2: great guy.
Speaker 7: He tried to say that that William Prince had come
Speaker 7: to the house the night of the wake and came
Speaker 7: in the house, saw him in the kitchen, and then
Speaker 7: a bloody key that was found later by Amy's sister
Speaker 7: was planted by William Prince, and he disputed this at
Speaker 7: trial on the stand and said he hadn't even crossed
Speaker 7: the threshold of that house that night.
Speaker 2: That's correct. I mean, he never came further than the threshold.
Speaker 2: You know, he was invited in the house. But that
Speaker 2: was the key that was found by Amy's sister. I
Speaker 2: believe he was found in a flower pot that Anderson
Speaker 2: hit and it had a bloody print on it. And
Speaker 2: they were able to get a postial print out of
Speaker 2: the key, but could have been and since print, but
Speaker 2: they didn't have the eight to twelve points of reference
Speaker 2: that you needed. They just had a few. But there
Speaker 2: was no doubt in an investigated his mind that Robert
Speaker 2: Anderson had stashed the key there.
Speaker 7: It's interesting too that in the very first trial of
Speaker 7: the sexual assault he was brazen enough to take the
Speaker 7: stand in his own defense, and at this he insisted
Speaker 7: to take the stand, which is even more unusual, and
Speaker 7: they announced it early on, which is again unusual that
Speaker 7: he would be taking the stand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct again, very arrogant, very arrogant. He found
Speaker 2: if you walk into the room, he felt that he
Speaker 2: was always the smartest person in the room.
Speaker 7: It was a embarrassing I guess for him certainly that
Speaker 7: Pam mclavoy also testified and said some damning things about
Speaker 7: him personally and legally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct you. No, he said that she said
Speaker 2: that he was wanted to have more in the real
Speaker 2: life relationship, that she was willing to give and it
Speaker 2: just wasn't going to happen. Wasn't going to happen. He
Speaker 2: also said that he was going to divorce his wife,
Speaker 2: but that was one of the things he was worried about,
Speaker 2: was that if she did divorce him, he would lose
Speaker 2: half his assets at the very least. It didn't take
Speaker 2: long once the deliberations Carney was said by the prosecutor
Speaker 2: that Carney gave a fantastic closing argument. However, it only
Speaker 2: took two hours and forty minutes for the jury to
Speaker 2: make the decision. Yes, it was a really quick decision.
Speaker 2: There was no doubt in any of the jury's mind
Speaker 2: that he was guilty. So what was the verdict, the sentence?
Speaker 2: Where's he the Verot was guilty life without parole, and
Speaker 2: Robert Aniston is still in jail to this day and
Speaker 2: his appeals were upheld, so.
Speaker 7: He's going to spend the rest of his life in
Speaker 7: prison where he belongs. I want to thank you very
Speaker 7: much for coming on and talking about this book, Murder
Speaker 7: Outside the back Door, the true story of the murder
Speaker 7: of a popular Salem, New Hampshire teacher by her husband.
Speaker 7: The murder labeled as a Carls Stewart copycat. Thank you
Speaker 7: very much for this interview.
Speaker 2: For John.
Speaker 7: For people that might want to take a look at
Speaker 7: your other work, where could they go?
Speaker 2: All my books on Amazon. There is Murder at the
Speaker 2: Front Door, about a off duty Hampton, New Hampshire police
Speaker 2: officer who had a thirteen year grudge against his neighbor
Speaker 2: and killed him. And Murder by the Bathhouse Door, the
Speaker 2: story of three boys who incessantly watched the movie Scream
Speaker 2: Yes and wanted to see what it was like to
Speaker 2: kill people killed two girls, which they did at a
Speaker 2: park in Salem, New Hampshire, and again they are available
Speaker 2: on Amazon.
Speaker 7: Thank you very much, John Tomasi. Murder Outside the back Door,
Speaker 7: the true story of the murder of a popular Salem,
Speaker 7: New Hampshire teacher by her husband. The murder labeled as
Speaker 7: a Charles Stewart copycat. Thank you very much for this
Speaker 7: interview and you have a great evening and good night,
Speaker 7: Thanks Dan, and always appreciate being here and it's fun.
Speaker 7: Always a great pleasure speaking with you. Thank you, John, Bye,
Speaker 7: damn tonight.