Speaker 1: Tonight, I'd like to welcome Steve Coburn. Steve is a
Speaker 1: chemist and material scientist with over twenty years of industrial
Speaker 1: experience and several patents for industrial processes relating to nanotechnology.
Speaker 1: He is currently working in the area of carbon nanotubes
Speaker 1: and working to start a nanotech company. In the UFO field,
Speaker 1: he does high tech analysis of alien implants, UFO crash
Speaker 1: debris and instrument scans of clients for the presence of
Speaker 1: alien implants and other signs of recent contact. Steve, thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us. How you doing tonight?
Speaker 2: Great? Great, great to be here, very good.
Speaker 1: Now you have a very interesting background and you actually
Speaker 1: worked with the late doctor Roger Lear. Tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit more about your background and good What got
Speaker 1: you started doing this research.
Speaker 2: I was doctor Leary's partner from two thousand and eight
Speaker 2: to but he died in early twenty fourteen, and I've
Speaker 2: I've always been interested in nanotechnology and chemistry, microstructures had
Speaker 2: anything to do with with that sort of thing, and
Speaker 2: I've also been interested in the UFOs all my life,
Speaker 2: so it was natural that when I got the opportunity
Speaker 2: to work with doctor Lear, I chose to do so.
Speaker 2: I actually met doctor Lear after an object appeared in
Speaker 2: my toe and I went over to him as a
Speaker 2: patient and he removed it seven months later, and he
Speaker 2: didn't have anybody to analyze it, so I decided to
Speaker 2: take it upon myself analyze the piece of the object,
Speaker 2: and the result were quite remarkable. It was a sophisticated
Speaker 2: nanotechnological device. And I went on to analyze several other
Speaker 2: implants that he had removed from other patients that had
Speaker 2: not been analyzed completely.
Speaker 1: Now it's interesting you said you had you know, UFO
Speaker 1: contact or possible abduction experiences, you said earlier in your life.
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, now, and I find.
Speaker 1: It interesting that you're also a material scientist working with
Speaker 1: these carbon nanotubes that could possibly also be part of
Speaker 1: the technology being used in the implants you researched. Did
Speaker 1: you start doing your research, you know, because of these occurrences. No.
Speaker 2: I happen to be working on carbon nanotubes at my
Speaker 2: old job and we worked on those for about seven years,
Speaker 2: and I have several patents in the carbon downitube field,
Speaker 2: and it was just kind of a synchronicity that it
Speaker 2: turned out that the alien devices apparently utilized carbon downtube electronics.
Speaker 2: That's something that we're working on in birthly science but
Speaker 2: have not perfected yet. But apparently it's a old technology
Speaker 2: to them, and the carbon downtube electronics would be faster
Speaker 2: and more robust, and the silicon electronics that we use
Speaker 2: there are three D networks of carbon. Unity was built
Speaker 2: right into the metal.
Speaker 1: Apparently very interesting. Now, do you remember any of your
Speaker 1: maybe your first contact experience. How old were you and
Speaker 1: could you tell us a little bit about it.
Speaker 2: The first thing I remember was was seeing a UFO
Speaker 2: hovering over my parents' house when I was five years old,
Speaker 2: like a fairly small scout craft, maybe fifty feet in diameter,
Speaker 2: hovering right a bread at rooftop level. And that was
Speaker 2: maybe four o'clock in the morning, before sunrise. And then
Speaker 2: I blocked out and woke up like four hours later
Speaker 2: with blood all down in front of me and remembered
Speaker 2: somebody putting something up my nose. And Willie Streeber described
Speaker 2: a similar experience in the book Communion, and I think
Speaker 2: that's standard procedure for abductees to have an implant put
Speaker 2: in at that age.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting. Now, do you have any other memories
Speaker 1: of any experiences after that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remembered a few things spontaneously and a lot
Speaker 2: more under hypnotic regression after I found out for sure
Speaker 2: that this was going on, after I met doctor Lear.
Speaker 2: And it's a lot of really strange stuff. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's no wonder that that people are having trouble believing
Speaker 2: in all this because it's completely counter what we're taught
Speaker 2: in school about. You know, aliens can't possibly be coming here,
Speaker 2: it's too far away and all that sort of thing,
Speaker 2: and apparently they are.
Speaker 1: Were your experiences, would you say a positive nature or
Speaker 1: do you think they had possibly malevolent purposes?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say my experiences have been malevolent or or
Speaker 2: or completely negative. But there's like a lots of control
Speaker 2: and inherent in it because they use they do what
Speaker 2: they do what they want with you, as if you're
Speaker 2: an experimental animal, and they they use mind control, and
Speaker 2: it just it just introduces a strange feeling of a
Speaker 2: loss of control that's really disturbing. A lot of people
Speaker 2: have commented on that.
Speaker 1: Do you have any memories of being taken on a craft?
Speaker 2: H yeah, most of them have recovered under regression, but
Speaker 2: but yeah, I've got some memories of being on board,
Speaker 2: and yeah, my memories are pretty pretty similar to a
Speaker 2: lot of other abductee reports, especially I really related to
Speaker 2: Katherina Wilson's book I Forgot What I was supposed to
Speaker 2: remember and Alien Jigsaw, if readers or listeners want to
Speaker 2: read those, that pretty much sums up a lot of
Speaker 2: my experiences too. Of mine were very similar to hers.
Speaker 1: Now, do you know what types of beings that you
Speaker 1: were interacting with?
Speaker 2: The standard grays that most people report as the ones
Speaker 2: i've are the ones I've mostly seen, but I remembered
Speaker 2: under regression seeing some tan grays on board an alien
Speaker 2: mother at one point the ones that were on Willie
Speaker 2: Streemer's book cover.
Speaker 1: Now let's get back to your first end plant. Can
Speaker 1: you tell us about that experience, how that came about?
Speaker 1: First actual removement?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I well, how it was put in is I
Speaker 2: was at my house watering the plants and taking care
Speaker 2: of the place after work. My wife was at her
Speaker 2: parents' house after my daughter was born, and she'd was
Speaker 2: staying there for a while to have her mom help
Speaker 2: her out with the baby, and I called her up
Speaker 2: until her I was going to spend the night at
Speaker 2: the house because I was getting tired, and I heard
Speaker 2: some noises in the backyard. Went out in the backyard
Speaker 2: and there were these two huge raccoons out there, and
Speaker 2: one was about fifty pounds. Every one was about seventy pounds,
Speaker 2: and I didn't even know they got that big, so
Speaker 2: that was pretty surprising, and I it seemed fairly tame.
Speaker 2: So I put some food out there for them so
Speaker 2: they wouldn't need our avocados, and they were in our
Speaker 2: avocado tree. And I watched the animals for a while
Speaker 2: and then went in and went to bed. And when
Speaker 2: I woke up, there has been a lot of strange
Speaker 2: stuff going on prior to that, and when I woke up,
Speaker 2: I just realized that the aliens had been there. And
Speaker 2: I had a pain in the side of my head
Speaker 2: and a stinging pain in my left second toe, and
Speaker 2: I looked at my toe. There are two puncture wounds
Speaker 2: there that disappeared within a few hours, and the two
Speaker 2: puncture wounds lit up green under ultraviolet light, and so
Speaker 2: the stinging pain got worse and became an electric shock
Speaker 2: type pain that went all about all the way up
Speaker 2: my leg. About four days after the incident, every time
Speaker 2: I put some weight on that toe, and so I
Speaker 2: went over to see doctor Lear and I told him
Speaker 2: that to possibly alien implant.
Speaker 1: And how did you How did you get into contact
Speaker 1: with the doctor Lear?
Speaker 2: Well, it was a synchronicity too. He worked only a
Speaker 2: few blocks from where I worked in Camrio, California, and
Speaker 2: I had been following his research for a long time.
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, got an implant myself and
Speaker 2: decided to go over and see him. And I don't
Speaker 2: think he believed me at first, but he gave me
Speaker 2: a prescription to you to get the toe x ray.
Speaker 2: And the prescription said give a copy of the patient.
Speaker 2: So they gave me a copy of this X ray
Speaker 2: and I knew intuitively I was going to see something,
Speaker 2: but when I did, it would just that blew me away.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a heck of a difference between, like
Speaker 2: I always said, there's a heck of a difference between
Speaker 2: strongly suspecting that something like this occurs and knowing for sure.
Speaker 2: The object looked like a bent piece of wire in
Speaker 2: my toe, and it was actually the image on the
Speaker 2: extra was actually smaller then it turned out to be
Speaker 2: in real life, which was strange.
Speaker 1: Interesting now, how did the removal process go.
Speaker 2: It went pretty well, it turned out, but the object
Speaker 2: was brittle and it broke into twelve pieces on removal.
Speaker 2: They instead of cutting it out, they tried to go
Speaker 2: in through the side of the toe and pull it out,
Speaker 2: and the object was brittle and broken to several pieces.
Speaker 2: But that turned out to be a good thing because
Speaker 2: it gave us some views of the interior without us
Speaker 2: having to cut the object up. And one weird thing
Speaker 2: is that all the pieces arranged themselves in their original
Speaker 2: order when doctor Lear had a stored in blood serum.
Speaker 2: That was really remarkable. We've got pictures of that. And
Speaker 2: he gave me two pieces of the object to run
Speaker 2: a series of tests on. I did light my cross
Speaker 2: could be scanning, electronic cross could be and ed X
Speaker 2: BOLK elemental analysis UH and ic PMS trace element analysis.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 2: We did. We did the magnetic testing and Geiger counter
Speaker 2: testing and turn it was highly magnetic. That was one
Speaker 2: thing we'd noticed that before we removed the object from
Speaker 2: my body, it was at about a ten mila magnetic field,
Speaker 2: and our associate, doctor Kuons thought that the magnetic field
Speaker 2: may have may have had to do with its power source.
Speaker 2: He thought that it was powered by zero point energy
Speaker 2: by the interaction between some phone on mode in the
Speaker 2: metal and the magnetic field. Another an usual thing about
Speaker 2: the object of the metallic portion was made of meteoric
Speaker 2: iron that the trace element pattern and it exactly matched wrong,
Speaker 2: exactly matched a group of nickelairon meteorites called hexahed rites.
Speaker 2: And it produced no Like all the other implants the
Speaker 2: doctor Leer researched, it produced no. No inflammation in my
Speaker 2: toe or nearly A foreign body will always produce inflammation
Speaker 2: in the human body. So that's uh.
Speaker 1: I've heard instances of the the nerves actually growing around
Speaker 1: these objects.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, there were, there were There are appropriate
Speaker 2: sceptor nerves growing into these objects from in every case
Speaker 2: that we've seen, including the implant in my toe. And
Speaker 2: that's that's their connection to the nervous system. That's that's
Speaker 2: how they gather information apparently and also perhaps transmit information
Speaker 2: to the body. And h there's some chemical cue to
Speaker 2: cause the nerve cells to grow into them. And I
Speaker 2: think that's the pain that was expert ancing in my
Speaker 2: toe was probably the nerve cells growing into the device.
Speaker 1: You said, there's no immune response to the object.
Speaker 2: Either, no, none whatsoever. It was highly unusual, and that's
Speaker 2: that's been repeated like seventeen times now. None of them
Speaker 2: had any any immune response whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Now do you know the what the purposes of these
Speaker 1: devices would be other than cracking?
Speaker 2: Not for sure. We have we have abductee reports on
Speaker 2: what the aliens say there for, and we have some
Speaker 2: educated speculation on what they're for. But I'll just run
Speaker 2: run that value, and you know, we may find out
Speaker 2: that they do other things too. But logically they must
Speaker 2: they must be tracking devices, but a lot of them
Speaker 2: are probably not primarily tracking devices, And the ones in
Speaker 2: the extremities, like the ones in the toe or the
Speaker 2: the wrist, the leg, or probably are are mainly physiological
Speaker 2: monitoring devices to measure all kinds of physiological parameters like
Speaker 2: blood sugar, blood oxygen, uh of hormone levels, that sort
Speaker 2: of thing. And we have reason to believe from what
Speaker 2: people have told us that that they can. Most of
Speaker 2: the devices can be used to implant suggestions that are
Speaker 2: hard to ignore because the subject always thinks it's their idea.
Speaker 2: And doctor Kons thought that some of them could be
Speaker 2: used as room bugs could pick up airborne sounds and
Speaker 2: they transmit radio waves, but they're not always on, but
Speaker 2: they sometimes they're transmitting, and so they're they're definitely transmitting
Speaker 2: that information back to the people that put them.
Speaker 1: In the most. I guess what areas of the body
Speaker 1: are they mostly found in.
Speaker 2: They're mostly found in the extremities in the head. There's
Speaker 2: typically on somebody that's got a lot of alien activity,
Speaker 2: there's typically one one above each year, a tiny one
Speaker 2: above each year below the scalp and above the skull,
Speaker 2: and uh one at the back of the neck, and
Speaker 2: the t three vertebrae, and a brain implant. The brain
Speaker 2: implants are hard to detect because they're they're made of
Speaker 2: a conductive polymer. I actually analyze one of those two
Speaker 2: that that fell out of somebody's nose, and it was
Speaker 2: interesting because the alien the aliens told somebody that that
Speaker 2: they were made of a conductive polymer, and and that
Speaker 2: indeed was what the one I analyzed was made out of.
Speaker 2: And they grow or said they grow tendrils throughout the brain,
Speaker 2: and those implants can enable the aliens, according to what
Speaker 2: they've said, to hear and see what the subject is
Speaker 2: hearing and seeing in real time, and probably also hear
Speaker 2: what they're thinking, and so that's getting that implant is
Speaker 2: like connecting the person of the alien high of mind.
Speaker 2: They're kind of a high of mind species, kind of
Speaker 2: like the borer, gun star trek. You have seen them?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And am I right in saying that some of
Speaker 1: these have actually moved? When Trump been when yes.
Speaker 2: I was talking, I was speaking of this the state
Speaker 2: of the station. All the ones that we've analyzed right now,
Speaker 2: so far i've been up to now been stationary ones.
Speaker 2: But there are moving ones too. We've never had a
Speaker 2: chance to analyze ones. We can't get them out, and
Speaker 2: they're more rare than the stationary ones at any rate.
Speaker 2: But I've had I've had contact with people say that
Speaker 2: they have moving ones. And Whilly streamer out a moving
Speaker 2: one in his ear. I think he still has it,
Speaker 2: and doctor here I was going to take it out,
Speaker 2: but he changed his mind at the last minute. Really
Speaker 2: did that?
Speaker 1: Is now? You said they emit radio signals?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah, about ten percent of the time they're active
Speaker 2: emitting radio signals. That's all of the implants that we
Speaker 2: know of, including the movie ones.
Speaker 3: Out.
Speaker 2: The movie ones. The movie ones are probably also made
Speaker 2: of a conductive polymer and they have these like ccilia
Speaker 2: on them, like a like a microorganism would have that
Speaker 2: enables them to move under the skin. And some people
Speaker 2: report that it hurts quite a bit when they move.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I can't imagine having something moving under my skin? Now?
Speaker 1: How many? How many have you had removed from yourself?
Speaker 1: Just the one?
Speaker 2: Just the one? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Have you had any others that you know of that
Speaker 1: you know may still be there?
Speaker 2: I have actual evidence that at least two more. I
Speaker 2: think that I think I have three or four more.
Speaker 3: Would look.
Speaker 2: The ones above the years I've got those. And I
Speaker 2: remember having a brain implant put in when I was five,
Speaker 2: like I was telling you, and I think that standard
Speaker 2: procedure for most abductees.
Speaker 1: Now, when you're doing scans for these devices, what kind
Speaker 1: of equipment are you using?
Speaker 2: The the standard scans that I use on people that
Speaker 2: want to find out if they're abductees or not, or
Speaker 2: a stead finder scan to scan areas of concern for implants.
Speaker 2: It's are good at detecting metallic objects into the skin,
Speaker 2: and then we do a gas meter scan UH for
Speaker 2: the Tech Week. Magnetic fields and UH alien equipment can
Speaker 2: sometimes magnetize things including human tissue. And if we get
Speaker 2: a gas meter hit combined with a studfinder hit, there's
Speaker 2: a high probability that's an implant. The implants are almost
Speaker 2: always magnetic. And then I use I got your counter
Speaker 2: to detect any trace of radiation once in a while
Speaker 2: or something left behind. And and I use an ultraviolet
Speaker 2: light to detect alien dyes that are left behind on
Speaker 2: the body that stay up to a month, or indelible
Speaker 2: dyes that are really hard to remove. And there's various
Speaker 2: colors orange, green, yellow, green, and blue, and uh there
Speaker 2: they shine very strongly under short wavev illumination. And that's
Speaker 2: a that's a dead giveaway. If if I see those,
Speaker 2: I know the person's been been taken within the last month.
Speaker 1: Now they want to have this remove? Do you do
Speaker 1: you refer them to a to someone to have them removed.
Speaker 2: Well, I've just been telling I don't have a doctor
Speaker 2: working with me at this point in time, But I
Speaker 2: just I just tell people to go to their GP
Speaker 2: and say they have a foreign object that's bothering them
Speaker 2: and try to get it removed. Insurance should cover it. Theoretically,
Speaker 2: that's all I can do at the moment. But I'm
Speaker 2: trying to find a doctor who will come forward and
Speaker 2: helped me with this research.
Speaker 1: Have you analyzed them any recently? Uh?
Speaker 2: No, not recently. The last The last stuff I analyzed
Speaker 2: was actually some crish debris from a UFO that crashed
Speaker 2: in New Mexico during the roswell time period.
Speaker 1: Seven kind of results came from that, and.
Speaker 2: I also analyzed patient seventeen's implant to reanalyze part of
Speaker 2: it about like three years ago. Oh. There were mostly
Speaker 2: pieces of aluminum. There was one piece of like ultrapure
Speaker 2: aluminum that appeared to have some sort of a different
Speaker 2: crystal structure than regular aluminum, and it was very hard
Speaker 2: and would give off sparks when you when you put
Speaker 2: it on a grinding wheel, which is not what aluminum
Speaker 2: typically does it with act even more like titanium or
Speaker 2: steel in that regard. But it was incredibly strong, and
Speaker 2: that also was the case with patient sixteens implant that
Speaker 2: came out of his wrist. It was a steel a
Speaker 2: steel carbon anitude metal matrix composite with a little bit
Speaker 2: of meteoric iron in it that was incredibly strong, and
Speaker 2: diamond tools would even cut it. That'sn't heard of down
Speaker 2: them tools could just about anything.
Speaker 1: Wow, that should Yeah, that's very fascinating.
Speaker 2: The other crash Debrie samples were aluminum with some strange
Speaker 2: impurities in them that would not be there in earthly
Speaker 2: aluminum samples. A little guranium and thorium, rare earth gallium
Speaker 2: and germanium, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Now do you think it's possible that our government or
Speaker 1: military industrial complex could be doing some of these implants?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's possible. I heard a rumor not
Speaker 2: too long ago actually, that the aliens had given them
Speaker 2: a large quantity of their implants as part of some deal.
Speaker 2: So I hope that's not true. That'll mean that it'll
Speaker 2: be impossible to tell the difference between government implants and
Speaker 2: alien implants. But there's some evidence that the government and
Speaker 2: the aliens are working together anyway. But up to now,
Speaker 2: government implants have been distinguishable because they're usually like like
Speaker 2: you know, little computer chips, like a standard computer chip
Speaker 2: under the skin. But alien implants are very very small.
Speaker 2: They're they're buch smaller. They're like the one in my
Speaker 2: toe is like like one millimeter in diameter by like
Speaker 2: three and a half four millimeters long, and they're much
Speaker 2: that the technology is much greater in them, much more advanced.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, what was your question?
Speaker 1: Oh no, well I was gonna ask. I was going
Speaker 1: to go back to your contact experiences and ask if
Speaker 1: you remember any direct communication with any of these beings.
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, are any messages they told you, like.
Speaker 2: When they told me, when they told me what the
Speaker 2: what the brand implants were for? And uh, they'll sometimes
Speaker 2: answer questions like that, not always, And there they remind
Speaker 2: me of a high tech foreign military and a lot
Speaker 2: of the stuff they do is secret on their end too,
Speaker 2: And questions about what is your agenda? What do you
Speaker 2: plan to do at point A and point B at
Speaker 2: this or that time. They won't answer questions like that,
Speaker 2: or hardly ever will, but they do sometimes ask answer
Speaker 2: technical questions. And let's see, I remember them telling me
Speaker 2: what the what the implants are for? And I remember
Speaker 2: telling me a lot of a lot of teas report
Speaker 2: this that they're concerned about us screwing up the planet
Speaker 2: and possibly having a war that will be disastrous, and
Speaker 2: we need to change our ways and become part of
Speaker 2: the galactic community, and messages like that that's pre standard.
Speaker 1: Have you in your regressions or any types of memories.
Speaker 1: Do you have memories of interacting with any reptilian beings
Speaker 1: or insectoid beings.
Speaker 2: I remember seeing some ones that look like praying maniss
Speaker 2: that are like the bosses of the grays. You don't
Speaker 2: see them very often, but I remember seeing them on
Speaker 2: a couple occasions.
Speaker 1: No, I hear that a lot, that they're the bosses
Speaker 1: of the grays, that they're they're somehow in control of them.
Speaker 1: You think the Grays are just some type of biological
Speaker 1: AI or something.
Speaker 2: Well, I think maybe some of them are, but in general,
Speaker 2: in general they are. They are races that in most
Speaker 2: cases used to be more like us. And they've had
Speaker 2: technology for so long that it's it's that it's changed them.
Speaker 2: They've often, at least the short grays, have altered themselves
Speaker 2: by genetic engineering and over exposure to radiation and overuse
Speaker 2: of transporters and technologies like that, and now they're trying
Speaker 2: to fix themselves. And the Grays are an alliance of
Speaker 2: like seven similar species, and they've all been changed by
Speaker 2: technology to one extend or another. But I think the
Speaker 2: short grazer and and the worst shape, and that's that's
Speaker 2: part of the reason they're doing all these subductions. They
Speaker 2: want people like us in their society, and they want
Speaker 2: to fix themselves with human DNA or something like that.
Speaker 1: Are there certain are there certain bloodlines that are actually
Speaker 1: targeted more for these abductions and these implants.
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's a it's a lineage thing.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: They've mapped out all the blood lines of humanity long ago, apparently,
Speaker 2: and they know what characteristics they're interested in, and they
Speaker 2: hand pick individuals to be part of their program based
Speaker 2: on their bloodlines and and genetic makeup.
Speaker 1: I've spoken with a lot of researchers that that tend
Speaker 1: to believe that there's an ongoing hybridization program. Is that
Speaker 1: something that you have heard of or encountered or you know,
Speaker 1: been been told.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they they apparently genetically modify most of the
Speaker 2: people that are involved in the program, and they also
Speaker 2: have the people that are called that you're calling hybrids
Speaker 2: or have a lot more alien DNA and are were
Speaker 2: created in the program to try to create beings that
Speaker 2: that look like humans but have all the gray abilities.
Speaker 2: And apparently they've had to put so much human DNA
Speaker 2: and into them to make them look human that the
Speaker 2: gray abilities are quite diluted, but they're they're a lot
Speaker 2: more psychic and and intuitive than normal humans, and they
Speaker 2: have faster reflexes, they're stronger, that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: So do you think that these these hybrids that they're
Speaker 1: actually walking amongst us?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I don't know how. I don't
Speaker 2: know how many, but I have reasonablie if it's at
Speaker 2: least a few thousand.
Speaker 1: Now from your experiences these beings are they do they
Speaker 1: have the ability to, I guess travel interdimensionally? Are they
Speaker 1: interdimensional beings? Or are are the are the have you
Speaker 1: they been physical the ones that you've encountered, Well.
Speaker 2: I mean they have time travel, so in that sense,
Speaker 2: they're interdimensional. They can travel between between alternate realities. In fact,
Speaker 2: they told me that. One one thing they did tell
Speaker 2: me is is that they don't like to use time travel.
Speaker 2: It's more dangerous than space travel. You can get into
Speaker 2: an alternate reality and it would be it might be
Speaker 2: difficult to get out. And but no, I don't think
Speaker 2: they're from from an alternate universe per se. They told
Speaker 2: me that they're that they're from Their races are in
Speaker 2: general from planets within one hundred light years of here,
Speaker 2: one of which one of which is the rearticulate for
Speaker 2: and sixty one Earth some majoris three is another one.
Speaker 1: I find it interesting that you said they used to
Speaker 1: be a lot more like us, and you know, all
Speaker 1: these things that they've done to themselves have changed their
Speaker 1: appearance time. Do you think that they were very much
Speaker 1: like humanoid beings possibly humans, you know, and they're they're
Speaker 1: us in the future.
Speaker 2: I've heard some of them are. Yeah. Area fifty one
Speaker 2: supposed they made contact with a group of grays that
Speaker 2: were humans from the future, from like a million years
Speaker 2: from now. And typically these beings start looking like grays
Speaker 2: when they've had technology for well in excess of one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand years, usually like on the order of a
Speaker 2: million years. That's my understanding.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Now, what are your thoughts on our secret space program?
Speaker 1: Do you think that we have operations on the Moon
Speaker 1: on the Mars?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've had a secret space program for
Speaker 2: a long time, according to my research. When the Air
Speaker 2: Force announced they were getting out of the space business
Speaker 2: back in nineteen fifty seven, I believe it was, and
Speaker 2: they formed NASA, that was for show. I mean, they
Speaker 2: never did get out of the space business. They've had
Speaker 2: a secret space program ever since then. NASA has always
Speaker 2: been a dog and pony show to by the public
Speaker 2: and to get all the space scientists under one roof
Speaker 2: where they can be controlled and what they say can
Speaker 2: be controlled. And the Air Force has been trying to
Speaker 2: advance in space for ever since then, and they've had
Speaker 2: anti gravity powered craft. They're like, you know, primitive versions
Speaker 2: or less sophisticated versions of what the aliens have since
Speaker 2: the late sixties. From one to understand, how.
Speaker 1: Far ahead do you think our military industrial complex is
Speaker 1: as far as technology. I mean, I've heard up to
Speaker 1: fifty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in general, it's about that. In certain areas are
Speaker 2: more than one hundred years ahead, but yeah, about fifty
Speaker 2: years in general.
Speaker 1: And do you think that we will ever see any
Speaker 1: of this possible free energy technology, you know, anti gravity.
Speaker 2: I think we're probably going to see the anti gravity
Speaker 2: before we see the free energy. I think in order
Speaker 2: to see the free energy, we're going to have to
Speaker 2: change how we how we govern this planet and and
Speaker 2: you know, take the power out of the hands of
Speaker 2: this this power elite that controls people that don't know
Speaker 2: all the oil companies and the pharmaceutical companies and and
Speaker 2: the big industries in general. The reason we the reason
Speaker 2: we haven't gotten off oil is not because there aren't
Speaker 2: better ways of generating power, but because oil and so
Speaker 2: called fossil fuels are as good as it gets as
Speaker 2: far as the profit margin for the power elid. You
Speaker 2: need to burn mega tons of the stuff to generate
Speaker 2: any great amount of power, and it's a substance that
Speaker 2: occurs all over the planet. We're not running out. That's
Speaker 2: a myth that we're running out. It's generated from inorganic
Speaker 2: reactions deeper than the Earth. There has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with fossils, and to specifically at the crust out near
Speaker 2: the crust mantle boundary. That's why if any place starts faulting,
Speaker 2: oil comes to the service. It's actually the liquid that
Speaker 2: the crystal plates float on. But in an event, we're
Speaker 2: not running out, and you have to burn megatons of
Speaker 2: the stuff, and you can charge a hundred dollars a
Speaker 2: barrel for it, and it's difficult to see any other
Speaker 2: way of generating power have a higher profit margin than that.
Speaker 2: And they also control people that way. You need their
Speaker 2: oil in order to generate power. If we had free energy.
Speaker 2: Then you could have a little box that would power
Speaker 2: your house and everybody would be independent. Yeah, they have.
Speaker 2: Even when they have things like nuclear power, for example,
Speaker 2: they want to make huge megapower plants out of it
Speaker 2: that everybody has to depend on, rather than smaller units
Speaker 2: that would be safer. You know, that brings on it
Speaker 2: all centralized.
Speaker 1: That brings me to my next point of I think that's,
Speaker 1: you know, the reason why so many of us believe
Speaker 1: that or want to believe that these elites are in
Speaker 1: control from an off planet or a malevolent source, or
Speaker 1: even some kind of demonic source. They don't want to
Speaker 1: believe that humans just come up with this on their own,
Speaker 1: and then they want to enslave humanity just for the
Speaker 1: sake of power, just for the sake of money. But
Speaker 1: you know, I'm still on the fence. Is it just
Speaker 1: humanity and slaving itself or is there something out there that's,
Speaker 1: you know, controlling them, pulling their strings. What are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: I think it's a little of both. I think that
Speaker 2: the the power lead are extremely corrupt, morally bankrupt individuals,
Speaker 2: and I think they probably are being influenced by aliens
Speaker 2: of sun strike. Probably reptilians, like they say. And one reason,
Speaker 2: one reason I think that there's some alien influence involved
Speaker 2: is bec because there seems to be a very long term,
Speaker 2: multi century plan to do all this enslaving of humanity.
Speaker 2: And I just don't believe that the humans are capable
Speaker 2: of planning much beyond a human lifetime. Its just it
Speaker 2: would be highly uncharacteristic anyway, for individuals that corrupt give
Speaker 2: two hoots about what happens after they die. So aliens
Speaker 2: have a much longer lifespan. So that's why I think
Speaker 2: that there probably is an alien alien influence involved with us,
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's really the Grays. I think
Speaker 2: if it is aliens, it probably is the reptilians.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many aspects of our society that
Speaker 1: is going, I believe, in the wrong direction. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're seeing enhancements in technology, but what are we using
Speaker 1: it for. I mean, most of the nation is staring
Speaker 1: at their smartphones and not producing anything, not giving back
Speaker 1: to society, and you know, it's all about themselves and
Speaker 1: their devices, and just the nonsense that the media is
Speaker 1: spewing out there. The agendas seem to get worse every year,
Speaker 1: and people are just buying into it and going along
Speaker 1: with it, and it doesn't seem to be changing in
Speaker 1: any way. There's a few of us that are waking
Speaker 1: up to this and becoming aware and spreading the word,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem to be enough to be making
Speaker 1: a change that in the direction we need to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're making some progress, but I hope
Speaker 2: it's it's not too little, too late. I mean, the
Speaker 2: Grays really do want us to wake up and do
Speaker 2: things better and improve things. There's really no reason technologically
Speaker 2: why things can be getting better and better on this
Speaker 2: planet instead of worse and worse. The only reason they're
Speaker 2: getting worse and worse, in my opinion, is because the
Speaker 2: power elite want more and more and more money out
Speaker 2: of us, and more and more and more control. And
Speaker 2: and when you disempower people and and uh make and
Speaker 2: you know, take all their money away and everything, and
Speaker 2: then things are definitely gonna get worse and worse. The
Speaker 2: type of system that they that they have set up
Speaker 2: and that they that they want to promulgate is and
Speaker 2: sustainable and that the grades are concerned about that too.
Speaker 2: And all the technology we we do have we use
Speaker 2: for or release governments use for better ways of killing
Speaker 2: each other. And we need to we need to, you know,
Speaker 2: do something instructive as a race rather than always destructive.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no reason why we ought to behave
Speaker 2: with every new technology like a kid that's found his
Speaker 2: father's gun. I mean, as it's you know, we needed
Speaker 2: we need to be more responsible than that.
Speaker 1: Now you said that it's the grades that they want
Speaker 1: to help us. I hear so many contrady stories about
Speaker 1: the Grays. Yeah, they're very misunderstood. I think some of
Speaker 1: them actually are leveling hyper robotic entities that may be
Speaker 1: under control of reptilian races. But I hear some of
Speaker 1: them are here to help us. So you've experienced primarily
Speaker 1: the ones that are here to help or so they.
Speaker 2: Say, well, yeah they're not they're not warm and fuzzy,
Speaker 2: but and they're here. They're mainly here to help themselves
Speaker 2: to our resources and such, but they are here secondarily
Speaker 2: to to help the planet and to help us become
Speaker 2: a more more sane and responsible race. Definitely, But I
Speaker 2: disagree with people say that they're total scum, sucking evil.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I just haven't really experienced.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there was an agreement with Eisenhower
Speaker 1: and the z T for technology in exchange for human abduction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there was. I don't have any any
Speaker 2: proof of that, but it certainly makes sense. I mean,
Speaker 2: they had they had a big, a big to do
Speaker 2: with UFOs over the White House in nineteen fifty two,
Speaker 2: and they were trying to shoot and shoot them down
Speaker 2: prior to that big time, and it sort of makes
Speaker 2: sense that that somebody would have requested a meeting and
Speaker 2: Eisenhower was actually missing during a couple of time periods
Speaker 2: when people said they had a meeting with the Grays
Speaker 2: at Patterson Air Force Base, it said that Kennedy met
Speaker 2: with them too, And I was kind of mad that
Speaker 2: they about them selling us out at first, but then
Speaker 2: I figured, well what else? What else really could they
Speaker 2: do that if they had not agreed to it, the
Speaker 2: Grays would have just done it anyway, and they wouldn't
Speaker 2: have gotten anything out of it. They wanted to get
Speaker 2: technology out of it, at least.
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on what's happening now with disclosure.
Speaker 1: There's i'd like to say, interesting things happening. I don't
Speaker 1: know what direction they're trying to come with this, with
Speaker 1: the Navy sidings and all the mainstream media talking about
Speaker 1: UFOs and now this whole craze with storm Area fifty one,
Speaker 1: it just seems like it's all happening at one time
Speaker 1: more prevalent. Now, do you think that there's some sort
Speaker 1: of agenda.
Speaker 2: There, Yeah, I think there always has. There always has
Speaker 2: been two conflicting agendas and government about disclosure. The intelligence
Speaker 2: agencies want to keep the alien presence under wraps forever,
Speaker 2: and a lot of other government agencies want to disclose
Speaker 2: or at least disclosed in a controlled manner after a
Speaker 2: certain amount of time. And I think the Navy now
Speaker 2: believes that that time has come and that we should
Speaker 2: we should be seriously preparing the public for for disclosure,
Speaker 2: and they have a lot of pull, and I think
Speaker 2: that they and maybe some other government agencies have instituted
Speaker 2: a push for this and said told the intelligence community
Speaker 2: community that enough is enough, We're going to do this.
Speaker 2: But yeah, several people have told me that that there's
Speaker 2: more of a push for disclosure right now than ever before.
Speaker 2: And it was really kind of abrupt because just like
Speaker 2: two years ago, we were in the midst of another
Speaker 2: crackdown on talking about UFO. So it goes in cycles,
Speaker 2: but this cycle appears to be it appears to be
Speaker 2: different according to what I've heard, and that that we
Speaker 2: may actually get disclosure at the end of it this time.
Speaker 1: Do you think that we will see it within I
Speaker 1: don't know how to say the next five years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a good chance. I'm not going to say
Speaker 2: it for sure, but I think there's maybe a fifty
Speaker 2: good chance we'll see disclosure within five years.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on what's happening with Trump? Do
Speaker 1: you know I I don't really follow politics. I never
Speaker 1: trusted the presidents. I always believe there are puppets. But
Speaker 1: you know, like I tell people, I do see something
Speaker 1: with Trump that I haven't seen before. I just don't
Speaker 1: know if there's another agenda behind that, you know, a
Speaker 1: hidden agenda behind the agenda. It's so hard to tell.
Speaker 1: With with everything that's happened. What are your thoughts. Do
Speaker 1: you think he's on our side and he's trying to
Speaker 1: get the ball rolling in the right direction for us?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump Trump in part
Speaker 2: started this latest push towards disclosure. I know his I
Speaker 2: believe it was. His father was heavily involved in in
Speaker 2: UFO research from within the government, and he knows all
Speaker 2: about all about this stuff, and I think that he's not.
Speaker 2: Part of the reason that people are so against him
Speaker 2: is that in the media because he's not a puppet,
Speaker 2: or at least he's not nearly as much of a
Speaker 2: puppet as the last few presidents we've had, and that
Speaker 2: worries a lot. And these people in the so called
Speaker 2: deep state are very worried about him who he's, from
Speaker 2: their point of view, loose cannon, and he wants to
Speaker 2: put things back the way they were.
Speaker 1: So do you see do you see a victory for him?
Speaker 1: Do you think we're still going to keep going in
Speaker 1: that same direction.
Speaker 2: As far as disclosure or.
Speaker 1: As far as the election. Do you think that he
Speaker 1: has a chance that we're going to keep moving in
Speaker 1: that direction?
Speaker 2: Do I think he's going to get re elected? You
Speaker 2: mean or yeah, yes, I believe it will get re elected.
Speaker 2: I think that people, that the deep state people are
Speaker 2: not going to be able to counter the groundswell of
Speaker 2: positive public opinion about Trump improving the economy and trying
Speaker 2: to stop this agenda of giving all power to illegal
Speaker 2: aliens and and and all that sort of thing that
Speaker 2: they've been doing this crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: Now as far as all these other agendas, these you know,
Speaker 1: these hidden agendas to you know, you see it. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to dumb us down through the media. Very suspect
Speaker 1: of five G. I don't believe that it's going to
Speaker 1: be just for faster download speeds. I believe that there's
Speaker 1: some malevolent purposes behind that. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Oh, I totally agree. I mean, I've seen indications from
Speaker 2: what I've been from from my research that five G
Speaker 2: can be weaponized and can be used to spy on people,
Speaker 2: and can be used to do mind control and several
Speaker 2: other things. And that's the reason the government's pushing for it.
Speaker 2: So are it's not to down load PDF files faster
Speaker 2: than than we can do now. Everybody, including Trump and
Speaker 2: government wants five year. They're just salivating for it, and
Speaker 2: to the point where they're willing to launch like a
Speaker 2: trillion dollars worth of new satellites in order to support it.
Speaker 2: And this is in spite of the fact that it's
Speaker 2: known for sure that radiation in that wave band is
Speaker 2: terrible for you and they're planning on bathing the planet
Speaker 2: and low levels of high gigurts tarts radiation, and nobody
Speaker 2: knows what effect I'll have.
Speaker 1: It can't be good, definitely. Now, as far as our
Speaker 1: secret space program, a lot of the UFOs that do
Speaker 1: you believe that those are actual off planet crafts or
Speaker 1: do you think that's a lot of our military.
Speaker 2: I think most of them are alien. My personal opinion
Speaker 2: is that most of them are are alien, but maybe
Speaker 2: a third of them or are ours. The percentage of
Speaker 2: ones that are ours is probably going to continue to increase.
Speaker 2: It's definitely increased since the nineteen sixties and seventies. They
Speaker 2: reportedly perfected the anty gravity craft to the point where
Speaker 2: it was pretty safe and can carry large loads and
Speaker 2: such around then around the mid nineties. So they have
Speaker 2: now a fleet of any gravity powered spacecraft. And a
Speaker 2: Congressman from Alaska during that that hearing on disclosure that
Speaker 2: they that they that Steve Bassett held in Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: Actually admitted that during the proceedings.
Speaker 1: Now, as far as the the alien species, the Grays,
Speaker 1: for instance, they have an agreement that they can't intervene
Speaker 1: with anything in our planet?
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a there's like an alien un
Speaker 2: where all the powerful alien species interact, and I think
Speaker 2: they've got got a rule that they cannot, you know,
Speaker 2: interfere in primitive planets unless they have local government approval.
Speaker 2: And the Grays now have local government approval to do
Speaker 2: certain things. But I don't think they can do anything
Speaker 2: they want down here. Even still, I think they're also
Speaker 2: there's subject to the will of other powerful alien species.
Speaker 1: Now, have you seen an increase in implants since you
Speaker 1: first started researching this?
Speaker 2: It's hard to say. I know that that most people
Speaker 2: that to see me have implants, because that's a that's
Speaker 2: a totally, very highly enriched, pre selected sample of people
Speaker 2: towards having implants or abduction activity. But as far as
Speaker 2: an increase in in abduction and the prevalence of implants
Speaker 2: in the general population, I think so, But I don't
Speaker 2: don't I don't know. I don't know how to how
Speaker 2: to prove that. We'd have to do a study involving
Speaker 2: a large number of people to prove that. Certainly the
Speaker 2: number of UFO sightings has gone up, and most likely
Speaker 2: most most of those UFO sightings are abduction related. I mean,
Speaker 2: I have reasonably. They fly thousands of sorties a day
Speaker 2: for supporting the abduction program.
Speaker 1: Now, do you think that it's possible that we will
Speaker 1: have disclosure from them and not it won't come from us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's possible. It's quite possible. I know. I've been
Speaker 2: saying that for years, that that the Aliens are going
Speaker 2: to disclose themselves eventually if we don't. And it's possible
Speaker 2: if the Aliens give them an ultimatum that they've got
Speaker 2: to disclose or or or we will, and that would
Speaker 2: certainly get the ball rolling, don't I don't know that
Speaker 2: for a fact, but it's possible.
Speaker 1: Very interesting now, Steve, I want to thank you again
Speaker 1: so much for coming on tonight, and could you give
Speaker 1: everybody your websites before you head out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, it's it's www dot Alien Evidence, Inc. I
Speaker 2: n C dot webs dot com. And it needs a
Speaker 2: little work at present, but it's got a couple of
Speaker 2: papers on it on my implant and patient sixteen's implant
Speaker 2: that I think people that are scientifically minded would find
Speaker 2: very interesting. Both of them were sophisticated nanotechnological devices with
Speaker 2: large amounts of carbon nanotubes in the interior, and I
Speaker 2: urge everybody to take a look at those and there's
Speaker 2: there's ample evidence from my analysis that both the those
Speaker 2: pieces were from off planet.
Speaker 1: Very good, and I want to thank you so much
Speaker 1: again for coming on tonight, Steve, and you have an
Speaker 1: excellent rest of your night.
Speaker 2: Okay, you too, and thank you for inviting me tonight.
Speaker 1: I want to welcome back to the show, host of
Speaker 1: the Steiger Perspective, founder of sixty Seconds for Humanity, and
Speaker 1: our favorite philosopher, Wayne Steiger. How you doing tonight, Wayne.
Speaker 3: Well, doing well? Thank you for having me back on, Chris.
Speaker 3: How are you?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm good. I want to thank you again for
Speaker 1: joining us. It's always a pleasure always have a great conversation.
Speaker 1: And you have been on a few times. But you
Speaker 1: know I've got some new subscribers since then, so just
Speaker 1: give us a brief bit about what brought you down
Speaker 1: your current path.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, I was much like everybody else.
Speaker 3: Everyone wants success, you know, that's how you look at life,
Speaker 3: and mine was in that course. I had a course
Speaker 3: planned out and you know, went that way. Was you know,
Speaker 3: devout Christian or at least that's what I you know,
Speaker 3: proclaimed like everybody else, and then I don't know, it began,
Speaker 3: I guess for myself back in the early nineties, for myself,
Speaker 3: as things begin well, this beginning, they did not add up.
Speaker 3: They were more well, let's say, ambiguous in the structure.
Speaker 3: Long story. Short after the the New Millennium, things just
Speaker 3: began to accelerate. And I don't know, I call it
Speaker 3: coming out of the godspell. And I suddenly realized that
Speaker 3: I had spent the majority of my life energy pursuing
Speaker 3: worthless pursuits. You know, wealth, money, status, social it's what
Speaker 3: everyone strives for. And I think I just got fortunate
Speaker 3: enough that was woke up, realized that Christianity was a
Speaker 3: false religion. And when you have basically that safety net,
Speaker 3: because that's what religion does for you, It's a safety net.
Speaker 3: You know, if everything else goes to hell in the handbasket,
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. I got my religion, and you know, when
Speaker 3: you don't have that, you know, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: the trap door opens and you go crap. So it
Speaker 3: causes you to really begin to seek out, Well, well,
Speaker 3: then what is the purpose? What is your purpose? Why
Speaker 3: are you here? How is this all related? For what purpose?
Speaker 3: You know? And I tell people today, you know, it's
Speaker 3: they say, well, do you believe in God? And I said, well,
Speaker 3: I both don't believe in God, and I both believe
Speaker 3: in God. I believe that there is something above God.
Speaker 3: All gods are a man construct. And I contend that
Speaker 3: if there is a God that you know out of
Speaker 3: my religion, well they have they been really scarce, particularly
Speaker 3: last two thousand years, no evidence. So I have pursued
Speaker 3: the one thing that I think most people fear, Chris death.
Speaker 3: And so when you don't have the religion anymore for guidelines,
Speaker 3: you have to begin to look at it. As I
Speaker 3: tell people, no one gets out of this life alive.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't happen. And so we all are hoping
Speaker 3: that there's a transmutation of consciousness, of our memories, our
Speaker 3: existence into something else. And that's what I've dedicated my
Speaker 3: life to now.
Speaker 1: So that brings us perfectly into one of the first
Speaker 1: things I want to talk about. What are we here
Speaker 1: for in your experience? I mean, is this some kind
Speaker 1: of you know, training ground for the next level? I mean,
Speaker 1: are we just some sick experiment for some alien species?
Speaker 1: Are we just a hologram? Are we projecting everything as
Speaker 1: we go, are we creating our own reality? I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you think is really going on with our
Speaker 1: existence here?
Speaker 3: So I've been reading some great books. You just bring up.
Speaker 3: The Holographic Universe by Michael Tablet Talbot is a required reading,
Speaker 3: I think for everyone, and you know Michael Newton, Doctor
Speaker 3: Newton's book The Journey of the Souls is another one.
Speaker 3: And I'm conflicted in both of the aspects. Number One,
Speaker 3: I think we do live in a hologram. I think
Speaker 3: we live in the idea or the thought of something
Speaker 3: greater than ourselves. It comes into that whole question, all right,
Speaker 3: So do you believe in prophecy? You know, that's what
Speaker 3: I used to Well, then that lends itself to predestination.
Speaker 3: And if you believe in predestination, then really free will
Speaker 3: has very little to play in it because ultimately the
Speaker 3: predestination of destiny will be played out. And that is
Speaker 3: a matrix. That is what a matrix is. And I
Speaker 3: don't like that. I don't like that construct. I don't
Speaker 3: like the idea of somehow another coming back over and
Speaker 3: over again to somehow learn some sort of uh you know,
Speaker 3: karmic uh lesson. You know, I don't like I have
Speaker 3: a problem with that, But Chris, I also have a
Speaker 3: problem with the fact that one lifetime is not enough.
Speaker 3: It's just not enough. So what is the purpose? You
Speaker 3: know that The thing that I challenge all of my
Speaker 3: listeners to is to answer the following question, where does
Speaker 3: your thought originate from? Where does your thought?
Speaker 1: I mean, let me ask you, where does your thought
Speaker 1: originally create consciousness? Or does consciousness create what? You know?
Speaker 3: We manifest Recently, uh, there was in physicians I forget
Speaker 3: which magazine it was in, but they have made a
Speaker 3: breakthrough in more understanding of the brain itself, and it
Speaker 3: appears that our brain actually exists in multiple dimensions. Now
Speaker 3: that brings on a whole lot of interesting things the brain.
Speaker 3: You know, the very basic rudiment of our brain is
Speaker 3: the reptilian stem, and then you get into the hippocampus,
Speaker 3: and then you get into the lobes and when you
Speaker 3: look at the panal gland. I contend that if consciousness
Speaker 3: exists in a tangible manifestation, which would be our brain,
Speaker 3: that brain is emitting an electrical signal. I think it's
Speaker 3: four point eight amps. We know that the neurons in
Speaker 3: our brains are actually surrounded by electromagnetic fields, So each
Speaker 3: thought that is generated is transformed to the nuclei of
Speaker 3: this neuron, which is quite fascinating when you look at
Speaker 3: the structure of them, and then then to know that
Speaker 3: these neurons interact only to a destination that they are
Speaker 3: designed for, and all the other trillions of neurons that
Speaker 3: they meet they reject until it hits to the right point.
Speaker 3: And the question becomes, so does spirit soul? Is that
Speaker 3: what we define consciousness as is that the soul is
Speaker 3: that the spirit essence of what makes you, Chris, you, me, myself.
Speaker 3: The thing the reality is is that you and I
Speaker 3: do not exist in the same reality. We share a
Speaker 3: like reality, but I can never occupy your space and
Speaker 3: you can never occupy mind.
Speaker 1: And being attached to our body, there's so many things
Speaker 1: that our consciousness can do for our bodies that ancients
Speaker 1: have tapped into that we have long since lost. And
Speaker 1: it seems like you know, they're you know, those in
Speaker 1: power are trying to suppress those natural abilities that consciousness
Speaker 1: has to give us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to amplify your point, here's the thing that
Speaker 3: I challenge all people with is that if you pray,
Speaker 3: a lot of people do I used to. I still meditate.
Speaker 3: Now what you're doing is simply practicing telepathic communication. And there's,
Speaker 3: you know, the way to answer that. You can't refute
Speaker 3: me on this. And if you think you're hearing from God,
Speaker 3: then guess what you've connected to a greater consciousness that
Speaker 3: now the two of you are communicating telepathically.
Speaker 1: Well, that brings us to the spirit world. That brings
Speaker 1: us to communication with something other than humans, possibly, whether
Speaker 1: it be interdimensional beings or another version of humanity. Whether
Speaker 1: the ancients really were communicating, they believed it. Some of
Speaker 1: our people in power today believe in this. So there
Speaker 1: has got to be something too, a communication with a
Speaker 1: spirit world.
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree with you. I am reading this book
Speaker 3: called Multidimensional Man by Jurgen Ziewey, and it's a fascinating book.
Speaker 3: He really gets into a lot of what the journey
Speaker 3: of the souls. You know, I used to be afraid
Speaker 3: of death. Most people are. My wife works in the
Speaker 3: medical industry and in her field, a lot of people
Speaker 3: pass on and there is a syndrome that virtually, I
Speaker 3: can tell you most of your listeners will most likely
Speaker 3: encounter unless they get over it. It's called the death syndrome.
Speaker 3: And this is what happens to people because they're so
Speaker 3: afraid of dying that they become into an agitated state.
Speaker 3: Their spirit literally becomes agitated to where it affects the
Speaker 3: physical body. And what they have to do is basically
Speaker 3: give drugs to quiet that person's mind down so that
Speaker 3: the separation process can take place. So spirits do they exist? Well,
Speaker 3: I think you have to get into this whole thing
Speaker 3: once I begin to face death and look at it.
Speaker 3: If death exists, in which it obviously does, because that's
Speaker 3: how we're getting out. Death has to be alive. Do
Speaker 3: you think about that. I mean, if it's a spirit
Speaker 3: of death, then that spirit is alive. It can't be dead.
Speaker 3: So I, particularly in the Western culture and civilization, we're
Speaker 3: taught to fear death from the minute you're born to
Speaker 3: the minute you get to your grave. You're you're You're
Speaker 3: taught to fear that because in essence, what it's saying
Speaker 3: is that you're not going to exist after that. And
Speaker 3: that's why when you and I first started talking about
Speaker 3: the whole process, is consciousness trands me you to dead death?
Speaker 3: I don't know now. I contend that there are spirits.
Speaker 3: I believe that we all have spirit guides. We're on
Speaker 3: a journey. And you know, reality, Chris is based upon
Speaker 3: five inputs. Three are chemical, two are electrical, and that's
Speaker 3: what we sense with everything of reality of our brains.
Speaker 3: We sense the chemical around us that inputs what we
Speaker 3: considered to be taste, et cetera. And then you look
Speaker 3: at the electrical input, which is thought sight. That's what
Speaker 3: reality is.
Speaker 1: Now. Earlier you were talking about how you don't want
Speaker 1: to be basically recycled, you don't want to come back
Speaker 1: or you know, reincarnation. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: Do you think that our consciousness is basically placed back
Speaker 1: here until we learn what we're supposed to learn in
Speaker 1: this life.
Speaker 3: Well, according to doctor Newton, and he has, you know,
Speaker 3: thirty plus years of his practice in doing what they
Speaker 3: call a regression hypnosis. And in this book here he
Speaker 3: gives thirty different case histories, people who did not know
Speaker 3: each other, not even anything close. But the uncanny thing
Speaker 3: is is that they all reported virtually the same thing.
Speaker 3: So this gets a little weird. What's going on here?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: They contend that when we leave our bodies, we are
Speaker 3: in a state of shock. The same way that we
Speaker 3: were in a state of shock. When we're born. You
Speaker 3: can only be born once. You cannot endure the experience
Speaker 3: of what we call the human birth process, it'll kill you.
Speaker 3: So when you depart your body, and sometimes people have
Speaker 3: that fear is so embedded that it literally freezes their
Speaker 3: spirits when they depart the body, and it takes them
Speaker 3: sometimes a while to begin to accept it. Now there's
Speaker 3: others who they say are old souls that are about
Speaker 3: to get promotion. Apparently the progression is is that there
Speaker 3: is a progression. I'm a teacher. That's what I have
Speaker 3: always been, apparently, and now according to these different patients,
Speaker 3: when you get there, there is a pool that begins
Speaker 3: that they say is it comes from almost like here,
Speaker 3: and it pulls you. There's an energy force and it's
Speaker 3: one that once you tap into it, they say that
Speaker 3: it's the most peaceful thing. It's many of them describe
Speaker 3: it as like a warm blanket coming out of the dryer.
Speaker 3: And that we go back and we're actually all part
Speaker 3: of tribes. There's no more than twenty in a tribe
Speaker 3: or a pod, and each pod or tribe has a teacher.
Speaker 3: And as we go through these life for aggressions. It
Speaker 3: is our progressions. It's apparently our choice, but you have
Speaker 3: to do it in order to progress. Now, that's what
Speaker 3: this says, and there's a lot more to it. There
Speaker 3: is no God in the sense of what the Judeo
Speaker 3: Christian or the Islamic or the Vedic projections of what
Speaker 3: God or God's are. There is something that permeates everything
Speaker 3: in the spirit realm. It's everywhere. Everyone knows it, everyone
Speaker 3: is aware of it. There is apparently a higher counsel.
Speaker 3: Each of us apparently do go before and given accounting.
Speaker 3: But it's not a prosecutical procedure. It's actually one that
Speaker 3: they say is interactive and engaging. Well, look at this
Speaker 3: situation that you faced in your life. Why did you
Speaker 3: make those decisions when you knew that you had ultimate
Speaker 3: other choices? Why did you choose that particular path? Those
Speaker 3: are the type of things. The whole thing of what
Speaker 3: they say about karma is not what is there. There
Speaker 3: is nothing that's transferable. There are those spirits. They say
Speaker 3: that they become contaminated and they have to be segregated
Speaker 3: from the other souls, and they're kind of put into
Speaker 3: a place much to akin to what they created here,
Speaker 3: and we're talking about murderers. We're talking about those who
Speaker 3: find cruelty. They go into what they call an extensive
Speaker 3: rehab program. Basically what is So that's one thought. Now
Speaker 3: you read Zawi's book, and I've experienced myself through the
Speaker 3: use of LSD back in the seventies of astro projection,
Speaker 3: got very good at that, and I saw a different
Speaker 3: type of realm. I saw a realm where there were
Speaker 3: many spirits, various sizes, various looks. But I do know
Speaker 3: that there is something that's tangible and real. So I'm
Speaker 3: sorry for taking up the time, but that kind of
Speaker 3: gives you the concentric view of what there seems to
Speaker 3: be awaiting all of us. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, let's take that a little bit deeper. Now, going
Speaker 1: beyond the spirit world, what about entities that may have
Speaker 1: always been here, arconic entities or what some may call
Speaker 1: demonic entities. You know, entities of nature are something that
Speaker 1: is beyond our dimension, that may have always been around
Speaker 1: and could possibly be influencing humanity.
Speaker 3: It's interesting. F Paul Wilson uh great, great science fiction writer.
Speaker 3: He has a book called Night World. I recommend it,
Speaker 3: but in his books he describes what he calls the otherness.
Speaker 3: This is a consciousness that they're indifferent. They really don't
Speaker 3: care humanity. It's consciousness, it's essence, Its energy is something
Speaker 3: to be prized. But it's like, all right, the thing
Speaker 3: gets you fine, if it gets you fine, And that
Speaker 3: kind of puts us into a whole plane. I contend, Chris,
Speaker 3: no matter the greatest philosophers, the greatest christ conscious Buddhas,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to say, that have been here, I
Speaker 3: don't even think they broached what is still yet for
Speaker 3: us to even conceive. I agree with you. I think
Speaker 3: there is something I think Chris, that it's not good
Speaker 3: and evil that is so finite. If that's where people's
Speaker 3: whole construct of their reality is predicated on good evil, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, you're going to be the uberus all over.
Speaker 3: You're going to be in a continual You're going to
Speaker 3: be eating your own tail. That's what it's going to be.
Speaker 3: That's insanity, and isn't isn't insanity defined an experiment that
Speaker 3: you'd continue to do the same experiment over and over
Speaker 3: again expecting a different result. Right, Well, then where does reincarnation.
Speaker 3: There was a guy and I believe it was that
Speaker 3: cal Tech did a calculation experiment and you said, well,
Speaker 3: let's just go back and if you take the Adam
Speaker 3: and Eve store right now, no one does, but you
Speaker 3: have to go with some baseline. Where the hell did
Speaker 3: all the souls come from? Seriously, I mean we're coming
Speaker 3: in the back door somewhere. I mean, come on, you know,
Speaker 3: so something's going on here? I mean are we being
Speaker 3: set up? Not set up that's the wrong word. Are
Speaker 3: we anticipating something on a cosmic scale that you have
Speaker 3: to have gone through this process in order to absorb
Speaker 3: or to be able to move forward. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting, And you know you mentioned it earlier.
Speaker 1: One of the things, the hugest things that holds everybody
Speaker 1: back as a planet is religion. I believe that it
Speaker 1: was created to enslave and keep us separate and at war,
Speaker 1: because to me, if there is a deity that requires worship,
Speaker 1: that's just a big red flag there. To me, I
Speaker 1: don't see why if it has infinite love that it
Speaker 1: would require your worship. And you know, what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: Oh? You know, so I was a devoted Christian. I
Speaker 3: mean I was one of those people that supported Kenneth Copeland.
Speaker 3: I was in the Word of faith cult is what
Speaker 3: I would call it. So I believed in this Old
Speaker 3: Testament God that uh and it never was explained how
Speaker 3: it left one covenant and then started another new covenant.
Speaker 3: But that's where I believed at And when I finally
Speaker 3: realized that a the story of the christ crucifixion ever happened,
Speaker 3: it it's you know, we can go into that in death.
Speaker 3: But here's the problem. So we have right this. You
Speaker 3: see this plaque right here, This plaque right here is
Speaker 3: First Corinthians thirteen four through eight. You know, I have
Speaker 3: it up there because if I ever meet the God
Speaker 3: that that wrote, that's a god I can dig. I
Speaker 3: tell people there isn't a God I've met in this
Speaker 3: world that I like. How can I so called worship
Speaker 3: of God that I don't even like? And this Christian God, well,
Speaker 3: that's the problem. The Christians never had a god. They
Speaker 3: had to steal a god from a conquered people that
Speaker 3: you know were listen, the Hebrew God was not the
Speaker 3: god of the world. That at the same time that
Speaker 3: the Hebrews were coming about, we had the Samaran gods.
Speaker 3: But no one wants to talk about that. So where
Speaker 3: did this Hebrew god come from from? And what made him?
Speaker 3: Suddenly that the cat who gives ten commandments, who says
Speaker 3: thou shalt not kill. But yet in the very next book,
Speaker 3: he's commanding these Hebrews to commit genocide, to cut fetuses
Speaker 3: out of pregnant women's bodies, and to crush the skulls,
Speaker 3: and and and and and it gets even worse than
Speaker 3: that then, and you're reading the book of Deuteronomy, it's
Speaker 3: there and Exodus is that. Then the women, the young girls,
Speaker 3: they're sold into the sex slavery to satisfy the lust
Speaker 3: of the Hebrew soldiers. This is a hell of a
Speaker 3: loving god. And somehow another we make this freaking miraculous
Speaker 3: jump to this some alien hybrid that supposedly rapes a
Speaker 3: twelve year old girl, inseminates her with alien DNA that
Speaker 3: produces a hybrid human that somehow another is supposed to
Speaker 3: deliver us from what I don't know, but claims to
Speaker 3: be the direct descendants of a Hebrew god.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, it does seem that there's two different gods
Speaker 1: that we're dealing with between the Old and New Testament.
Speaker 1: There's just so much I mean, war he would you know,
Speaker 1: a god that would command war or for you to
Speaker 1: kill somebody, or or any kind of death. It doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense that that is would be a loving creator.
Speaker 3: No, and mean pet what now I was gonna? You know,
Speaker 3: And the dedication of Solomon's temple, they slaughtered bulls, rams, goats, lambs.
Speaker 3: They said for eight days straight that the blood flowed
Speaker 3: out of the temple into the streets. Now I never
Speaker 3: saw that when I was in that religion. Communion is
Speaker 3: nothing more than symbolism for cannibalism. It really is. You
Speaker 3: can give me all the esoteric teachings behind it. I
Speaker 3: get it, but let's get real serious about that's what
Speaker 3: it is. So I don't dig any god that requires
Speaker 3: a blood sacrifice me drinking blood. No, I renounced that God.
Speaker 3: I renounced this Jesus character because it never existed, you know.
Speaker 3: And here's my challenge to your listeners who are Christians.
Speaker 3: So here is three questions. I asked, Number one, which
Speaker 3: genius that's g n Us of man Homo sinned against God?
Speaker 3: Was it Neanderthal, Chromagna, Dennison, sapiens sapiens? Which one? All right,
Speaker 3: now let's continue. So the next question, so God is
Speaker 3: a Christian. Yes, No. The next one the ambiguity of
Speaker 3: this supposed savior, the true name of the Christ. You know,
Speaker 3: it's real interesting. In the Gospel of John, they go
Speaker 3: to great links while this fictitious person as they painted
Speaker 3: the scene, and actually it's Francis Bacon who really did
Speaker 3: the job, did a great job on it. But I
Speaker 3: digress of a supposed crucifixion, and at the moment of
Speaker 3: departure of death, the individual on this torture chamber, Rack
Speaker 3: says in the Hebrew tongue, you know, my God, my God.
Speaker 3: Wile host Alfrid say they did it from the English
Speaker 3: to the Hebrew. But yet prior to that one chapter,
Speaker 3: prior to that, supposedly pontious pilot had them put above
Speaker 3: the cross the three names of this Zamasiah. What are
Speaker 3: those three names? They don't exist, They're not in the book.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that clear up all the ambiguity, all the arguments.
Speaker 3: And here's what the bottom line of it is, Chris Man,
Speaker 3: Homo sapiens sapiens are the only species that does not
Speaker 3: know the moment of our creation, the moment we came
Speaker 3: into existence. Contend it's because of this amnesia that all
Speaker 3: religion has been founded on. If we knew our true origins,
Speaker 3: there would be no need for a religion period.
Speaker 1: Well, there would be no need for a lot of things.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would change, It would change our whole
Speaker 1: reality if we actually knew what we are, where we
Speaker 1: came from. I have an interview tomorrow with doctor Lorraine Day.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you are familiar with her. She
Speaker 1: cured herself of cancer and she helps others, but she
Speaker 1: just does it with her diet and positively. She cured
Speaker 1: herself basically with her with her diet and her her
Speaker 1: power of thought, and anybody can do this. We can
Speaker 1: do this for ourselves. But they don't want us doing
Speaker 1: this because they want us sick, They want us not
Speaker 1: paying attention to what's going on. They want us wrapped
Speaker 1: up in our phones and the technology and the newest
Speaker 1: stupid shows that are on TV. Because if we had
Speaker 1: this ability to heal ourselves, and you know, the probable
Speaker 1: free energy that we could have, all these things, you know,
Speaker 1: it would ruin It would ruin the world for the
Speaker 1: ones in control, you know, we live.
Speaker 3: I on my channel, we're going through magic, teaching the
Speaker 3: whole science of magic. Magic in the literal translations, was
Speaker 3: called science but anyone. So the conundrum we have here
Speaker 3: is us us homo sapiens sapiens. When they did the
Speaker 3: human geno project, one that was a radical The church
Speaker 3: still hasn't addressed it don't want to because when the
Speaker 3: human genome was mapped out, we found out something about us.
Speaker 3: We're hybrids. There is no such thing as a true
Speaker 3: human being. They still you know, no one likes the
Speaker 3: fact that we may have come from Ape man man,
Speaker 3: that was Ape. But yet no one wants to explain
Speaker 3: how you get the rhesis hemoglomin in our blood? How
Speaker 3: did that get there? It's in us, it's not. And
Speaker 3: then to make it stranger, nearly and we thought initially
Speaker 3: it was a smaller percentage. It's nearly seven percent of
Speaker 3: this foreign DNA that they don't know where it comes from.
Speaker 1: Call it junk dna.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now they're finding the interesting thing about the
Speaker 3: junk DNA. They're doing the human geno project too, the
Speaker 3: madiochondrial DNA, the feminine. Holy crap, this supposed junk DNA.
Speaker 3: Something ain't right, man. Somebody came into the kitchen and
Speaker 3: snuck something into the recipe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I know they know this, and
Speaker 1: I think that's why they're spraying what they spray in
Speaker 1: the air. I think that's why they're putting what they
Speaker 1: put in the food. We can't eat healthy anymore. It's
Speaker 1: almost impossible. Everything is contaminated. It's very hard to find
Speaker 1: anything natural nowadays. They don't want us accessing our natural
Speaker 1: abilities and powers. And yes, magic is real and we
Speaker 1: have the ability to tap into it because it's part
Speaker 1: of our universe. But they don't want us doing that.
Speaker 3: No, And you know the thing that you bring up,
Speaker 3: So I was really a guy that you know, I
Speaker 3: have an identic memory. So I see, I remember everything
Speaker 3: that I read, and so I knew the Bible front
Speaker 3: winder and backwards, and I knew about faith. If there's
Speaker 3: one thing that I took from my religion was I
Speaker 3: knew the power of faith individually. Many stories I've read
Speaker 3: of people who in the Book of Proverbs it says
Speaker 3: laughter doeth the heart as a good medicine. I have
Speaker 3: read accounts of individuals who had basically a death sentence
Speaker 3: on their heart muscle. They had such advanced coronary disease
Speaker 3: that on two occasions they absolutely laughed themselves to a
Speaker 3: new heart. Now how does the body regenerate organs? But
Speaker 3: we're finding out now that in our genetic code we
Speaker 3: have the ability to do that. Yeah, I mean, you
Speaker 3: know me. I'll share other stories. So I worked these
Speaker 3: camp meetings crusades, like I said, with Kenneth Copeland, some
Speaker 3: with other evangelists, and we would have healing services. And
Speaker 3: you know, particularly when you have someone you know, an
Speaker 3: evangelist that's coming through, you know there's this number I
Speaker 3: can mention. But so with Kenneth Copeland Crusades Saturday morning
Speaker 3: was healing school. And I could tell you, Chris, people
Speaker 3: with cancer, I mean, every disease you can imagine. If
Speaker 3: you ever were at an Earl Roberts camp meeting, you'd
Speaker 3: see this. And I was the thing that the reason
Speaker 3: why those people got healed wasn't the fact that it
Speaker 3: was in the name of Jesus, wasn't the fact of
Speaker 3: the guy laying hands on you. It was that those
Speaker 3: people came ready to receive their faith is all ready
Speaker 3: as far as they were concerned, All they needed was
Speaker 3: that point of contact and they were gonna get healed.
Speaker 3: It was already a foregone conclusion. That you could have
Speaker 3: had Mickey Mouse up there and it would have produced
Speaker 3: the same results. That's the amazing thing we have about
Speaker 3: these bodies. This bind, this brain, this mind can heal
Speaker 3: these bodies. So you're right, they don't want people to
Speaker 3: know that.
Speaker 1: No, And then the saddest part is the doctors are
Speaker 1: ruled by the pharmaceutical companies and you know you can't
Speaker 1: get there. They're not gonna stand up for which right.
Speaker 1: So unfortunately you have to do your own research and
Speaker 1: heal yourself because you can't. You know, you can't expect
Speaker 1: the doctor to do it because every doctor, at least
Speaker 1: I've come across, seems to be corrupt.
Speaker 3: Seven out of ten of Americans are on a prescription.
Speaker 3: Out of ten. We have so many antidepressants, antipsychotic antidepressants
Speaker 3: that our population has been prescribed, that we've contaminated the
Speaker 3: drinking water. We have so much estrogen that we've put
Speaker 3: into these prescriptions as well. Now here's the strange thing
Speaker 3: that you don't people don't stop and think about. Every
Speaker 3: pill that you take is a chemical compound design to
Speaker 3: alter the natural enzymes, acids that you have, proteins in
Speaker 3: your body. Now I find it interesting that when you
Speaker 3: look at the mentally insane, that what they have found
Speaker 3: is by altering chemical balances within the brain itself that
Speaker 3: it shuts down what I call these portals, the voices,
Speaker 3: the you know, the odd physical behavior, et cetera. No
Speaker 3: different than the healing services. It's the same principle.
Speaker 1: So you think that it could be possible that people
Speaker 1: that we're hearing voices, you know, it may not mean
Speaker 1: that they're necessarily crazy.
Speaker 3: But these no no i contend to bise minimal mind.
Speaker 3: It's a great book to read. By the way, this
Speaker 3: guy's whole theory was this, if spirits exist, then their
Speaker 3: existence is only a minute variation of energy, internal time plan,
Speaker 3: You and I, everyone else in this reality. The one
Speaker 3: thing that we do have common, it's almost like we've
Speaker 3: been tagged, is that we all generate this same time
Speaker 3: code frequency. It's what causes us to exist here. Now
Speaker 3: you alter that time code forward or backward, speed it up,
Speaker 3: slow it down, you phase out of this reality. Now
Speaker 3: that gets into a very interesting thing. Then if one
Speaker 3: of my favorite philosophers of the first century was Philo Filo,
Speaker 3: in his writings of Moses and the Cosmos, wrote that
Speaker 3: God is a god of creation, it's not a god
Speaker 3: of waste. And that if there is a god that
Speaker 3: is creating all the time, there cannot be one space,
Speaker 3: as he said, one cubit that would not have a
Speaker 3: life form in it. The Indians Native Americans believe that
Speaker 3: the trees have spirits. In fact, many cultures do that
Speaker 3: spirits and habit forced. We can just go on and on. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I contend this does happen. It is real. Uh
Speaker 3: As I've been teaching people on sigils, Chris, we live
Speaker 3: in a world of sigils. Every car manufacturer has a
Speaker 3: sigil on it, every corporation has a sigil, every government
Speaker 3: has a sigil, every religion has a sigil. And I
Speaker 3: I'm becoming more aware we really do live in Alice
Speaker 3: in Wonderland. We live in a world of magic.
Speaker 1: It's all hidden in plain sight. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've noticed, but I've noticed a lot more TV shows,
Speaker 1: movies a cult based. They're they're they're pushing witchcraft. Uh more,
Speaker 1: occult shows like that. I've noticed that a lot lately.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's some sort of preparation, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other stuff going on too that
Speaker 1: I'd like to talk about. But have you noticed that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell you this. There is an article out
Speaker 3: today that said that more people are replacing God with
Speaker 3: et with aliens. Now, that is very interesting, And the
Speaker 3: problem is is that the religions themselves are their worst enemies.
Speaker 3: You know, I tell people, you know why I left Christianity.
Speaker 3: It failed the background check. I put the resume and
Speaker 3: started looking at the references. They weren't matching up. And
Speaker 3: that's the problem. It's framed. It's just like the pope
Speaker 3: today changes the Lord's prayer. Yeah, of that, I don't
Speaker 3: know what's the matter of pope? Two thousand year years
Speaker 3: isn't enough to figure it out that Oh, now we're
Speaker 3: going to get the real intent. Well then what the
Speaker 3: hell have we been reading? And why? Because they screwed up?
Speaker 3: And Chris, here's the thing what Christians don't realize. I
Speaker 3: never realized there were four other gods they tried in
Speaker 3: Christianity in the early days, really Bacchus, Dianaeus, and one
Speaker 3: other god. They failed. It didn't have anything. The problem
Speaker 3: was just like we now discovered, well, there's two different
Speaker 3: gods here that you're talking about. You know, you got
Speaker 3: this one that God that says he's jealous and vengeful.
Speaker 3: Now you got this one with this cat walking around
Speaker 3: saying that he represents the Father. Well, you know, the
Speaker 3: Father was never part of Judaism. So where the hell
Speaker 3: did Father come from? You know where it came from.
Speaker 3: It came from gnosticism, It came from the hell in
Speaker 3: this influences and take baptism. Where did baptism ever become
Speaker 3: part of Judaism? Then you're telling me you're opening the
Speaker 3: story with some guy called John the Baptist. You know
Speaker 3: what they would have done with him, They just stone him.
Speaker 3: He would have been considered a heretic calling Godfather. There's
Speaker 3: no such thing in the Judaic mindframe. But we bought it,
Speaker 3: and all it's done is separate us. It's caused more
Speaker 3: people to die. You know, you said something earlier when
Speaker 3: we started on this. If we didn't have religion, I
Speaker 3: dare say that man would be far more advanced in
Speaker 3: his consciousness of development than what we could ever begin.
Speaker 3: I think that we would have breaken the need for
Speaker 3: what I call the spoken language.
Speaker 1: It does seem that we had a much more effective
Speaker 1: way of communicating through symbols in ancient times because they
Speaker 1: could hold so many different meanings if you knew how
Speaker 1: to look at it in the right way.
Speaker 3: Chris spot On, you know, as I as I've done
Speaker 3: my study and you start studying in Kabbalaistic mythology on
Speaker 3: the Judaism side, Moses, do you know what the true
Speaker 3: what Moses literally translates magi magician. So Moses, which is
Speaker 3: moshi means magician. Well, if you follow the story, well
Speaker 3: that would make sense if he was considered to be
Speaker 3: Pharaoh's son. He would have been, and he went into
Speaker 3: what we would call the ministry, the temple priest. He
Speaker 3: learned the ancient Nolg we call it magic. They say
Speaker 3: that what most she did with Abenezer was that they
Speaker 3: were able to open up portals by rearranging the sigels
Speaker 3: of a certain language and by placing these siduals in
Speaker 3: a certain way. It invoked these spirits. Now, there is
Speaker 3: one theory that says out there that that's exactly what Tutmos,
Speaker 3: who would have been in fact Pharaoh's son, the half son,
Speaker 3: That's exactly what he did. That what he stole from
Speaker 3: Pharaoh's temple was the most powerful of the ability to
Speaker 3: pull in manifestations of deities from different planes, and it
Speaker 3: is said that this deity that Tutmos Moses hauled out
Speaker 3: is what we get the story of the crossing of
Speaker 3: the Red Sea, et cetera, et cetera. Very interesting, oh, fascinating,
Speaker 3: and you know there's another one out there. I did
Speaker 3: this on the Kibob and in what you when you
Speaker 3: really begin to read, what the the the records that exist,
Speaker 3: This god, this Hubrek god, is an alien. The key
Speaker 3: Bob was its spaceship. Moses was more fascinating with the
Speaker 3: spaceship than the deity. He also, Moses apparently also got contaminated,
Speaker 3: uh with radiation by being too close to this thing.
Speaker 3: It's it's a fascinating story.
Speaker 1: So all that being said, for the last few minutes,
Speaker 1: where do you see humanity going? You know, some see uh,
Speaker 1: you know, a mass awakening happening. According to the Yuga cycles,
Speaker 1: we're in a we're in an up cycle towards you
Speaker 1: a golden age. Some think that we're doomed, that we're
Speaker 1: just gonna be so dumb down and destroyed by the
Speaker 1: atmosphere and the food and water that we have no
Speaker 1: hope and will just be eventually robot slaves. And then
Speaker 1: there's the aspect of the planetary changes that we're seeing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I saw an article today in mainstream news
Speaker 1: estimating that humanity only has about twenty five years left
Speaker 1: if we don't make changes to what they're calling, of course,
Speaker 1: quote climate change. But I mean, where do you see
Speaker 1: it all going? Do you think we have a chance?
Speaker 3: Tath that you said that, because I was getting material
Speaker 3: for the Steiger perspective. Yes, I pulled out two of
Speaker 3: DVDs in my library, number one remembering the end of
Speaker 3: the world. It's already happened. From the Golden Age that
Speaker 3: you talked about, and again the ancient cities of the
Speaker 3: gods that we have recorded. We know that our ancestors
Speaker 3: saw Saturn in the nighttime sky, that it actually was
Speaker 3: called the Golden Light. I'll just be can't another short
Speaker 3: time we have here? I think we are truly at
Speaker 3: a crossroads. Transhumanism is advancing at such a rate. I
Speaker 3: am more alarmed by that than anything else. I am
Speaker 3: seeing the potential totalitarian crackdown on a level that we
Speaker 3: haven't seen. All the indicators in the bond markets in
Speaker 3: the future markets are pointing to something disastrous coming. I
Speaker 3: mean something a big shock. I don't like what I
Speaker 3: see putin and zing over there making a pact of
Speaker 3: what's going on. What they're saying is that Iran in
Speaker 3: the next six months will have a nuclear weapon. When
Speaker 3: you see that the tech titans are pushing for immortalent
Speaker 3: and pushing their despots, displayty and idea of their Vanna No, Chris,
Speaker 3: I think that we are. I think there's going to
Speaker 3: be a small amount of us that escape because it's overwhelming.
Speaker 3: You know, we have the millennials, we have the Generation z's,
Speaker 3: and now the new ones coming in which I don't
Speaker 3: even know what they're called yet. But the Generation z's.
Speaker 1: They're they're they're they're trapped.
Speaker 3: Their their minds are gone. They spend more time on
Speaker 3: their black mirror devices than they do anything else. They
Speaker 3: can't think, they can't remember, they can't do any more
Speaker 3: than what their phone or the latest social media has
Speaker 3: them doing. This is alarming.
Speaker 1: We see going to one else's alarming. I had I
Speaker 1: think three videos removed between today and yesterday for community guidelines.
Speaker 1: They had to do with nine to eleven false flags.
Speaker 1: I interviewed ole A Domaguard, doctor Fetzer. Those are all
Speaker 1: gone now because of this new wave of censorship. It's
Speaker 1: they're trying to shut everybody up. They don't want any
Speaker 1: information about anything that they don't you know, they don't
Speaker 1: control the narrative getting out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm I started being shadow band about
Speaker 3: three months ago. My channel was growing, you know, fifteen
Speaker 3: hundred two thousand a month, explosive, and now it's regressing.
Speaker 3: I'm getting audits of supposed now of subscribers that they're
Speaker 3: telling me that they're auditing my account, and suddenly thousands
Speaker 3: of subscribers are gone. Yeah, this is scary. And I'm
Speaker 3: just teaching philosophy magic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you would think the things that they're censoring.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's got to be something to it if
Speaker 1: they don't want us to hear it or see it.
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you this, I know from talking
Speaker 3: to some congress people. Yeah, let them keep on doing this.
Speaker 3: There is there is such a backlash forming now with
Speaker 3: both sides, Democrats and Republicans. This is the type of
Speaker 3: stuff that is making the Democrats afraid because if you
Speaker 3: see Google now beginning to put this listen, let's just
Speaker 3: call it what it is. It's fascism. It's not socialism,
Speaker 3: it's not communism. This is fascist.
Speaker 1: It's a modern day book burning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's exactly what. It is, no different than taking
Speaker 3: the witches out and burning them at the state, burning
Speaker 3: the books, throwing them in the river and Constantinople. But
Speaker 3: you know, this is what tell me, it's this not dictorialship.
Speaker 3: Every person around the world should be very, very alarmed
Speaker 3: by this. And so, answering your question, this is the
Speaker 3: thing I'm not liking. I mean, I know, I try
Speaker 3: to be as positive as I can, and I try
Speaker 3: to edify people, but.
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's just such an enormous force that
Speaker 1: happens to.
Speaker 3: My concern is is that it's going to be something
Speaker 3: small that's going to start the spark. And I think
Speaker 3: we're going to you know, you look at the corn futures.
Speaker 3: I've been saying this now for the last two months.
Speaker 3: Wait till the spike and prices hit this fall. Uh,
Speaker 3: this is going to get crazy. That the balance of
Speaker 3: what it takes to feed the world and what we're
Speaker 3: producing now China in their bread basket, they're being hit hard.
Speaker 3: All the bread basket sits around the world seem to
Speaker 3: be I don't know, or ironically being affected by weather.
Speaker 3: So you have give you the number you have. You
Speaker 3: basically needs forty seven billion metric tons to feed the world.
Speaker 3: This harvest this year is projected to be at forty
Speaker 3: two so we have reserves. Yes, but remember this is
Speaker 3: almost looking like Joseph in the Seven Years and I
Speaker 3: hear I spent the whole hour just ding in the
Speaker 3: whole Old Testament, you know. But hey, some of those stories,
Speaker 3: you know, you got to walk away and go, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know what to say. It looks familiar, doesn't
Speaker 3: it right?
Speaker 1: And you know that all being said, I think the
Speaker 1: only thing we can do, you know, those of us
Speaker 1: that are aware in a week, be good to ourselves,
Speaker 1: make the change in ourselves we need to see. Be
Speaker 1: good to everyone else. Be the best person you can be,
Speaker 1: and you know, make your voices heard. If if you
Speaker 1: don't like something, express it. Don't just sit there and
Speaker 1: let things happen.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I think if more people stood up against some of
Speaker 1: this tyranny, that it would it would be may do something.
Speaker 1: But no one's standing up except for the few of
Speaker 1: us that already are.
Speaker 3: Well. I've had people say well, you know, Google has
Speaker 3: the right to anything that No, No, that's where you're wrong.
Speaker 3: If Google was a private company, that'd be a different story.
Speaker 3: But Google is a publicly traded company. They took money
Speaker 3: from the public markets. That gives them an obligation to
Speaker 3: the United States, to its citizens to uphold the laws.
Speaker 3: And this is blatant censorship that they're doing, and they're
Speaker 3: going to get smacked. Listen. I think they're going to
Speaker 3: be filed in the Justice Department for antitrust and time
Speaker 3: monopolizing of data. I think you're going to see sweeping
Speaker 3: indictments coming down to many of these CEOs, and Zuckerberg
Speaker 3: is won. I'm going to tell you what. I'm hearing
Speaker 3: stories in the Justice Department that Cat is going to
Speaker 3: be indicted. And I've understood as well. Canada is thinking
Speaker 3: about the same thing, so as Britain. He's basically given
Speaker 3: him all the finger, you know, And this is the problem.
Speaker 3: So I think there may be a day of justice. Yet,
Speaker 3: Chris and watch Us be banned. This will probably be banned.
Speaker 1: This is going to be the show that does it.
Speaker 3: For both of them. Exactly. They were a good channel
Speaker 3: there at one time.
Speaker 1: You know, it was at least it was a good show,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: But it's true. It's true. It's it's and you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know. You know, I'm not a trunk supporter
Speaker 3: or a hater. You know. Listen, I didn't like the
Speaker 3: last guy that was in there. I didn't like the
Speaker 3: guy that was in there before. So you know, you
Speaker 3: kind of just get used to this, you know, it's
Speaker 3: just a different face me. Yeah, And you know, I'm
Speaker 3: thinking to myself, you know, I play chess, I love strategy,
Speaker 3: and I know something about the art of war. And
Speaker 3: maybe you know, they listen to my radio show. I
Speaker 3: know there's some congress people that listen. I'm going to
Speaker 3: tell them, you know, you don't push your opponent into
Speaker 3: a corner because when you push your opponent into a corner,
Speaker 3: they no longer have any options. And that's when they
Speaker 3: have no longer any options, it gets dangerous. I'll leave
Speaker 3: it at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very well, said Wayne. Thank you so much. That
Speaker 1: was christ And of course you're gonna have to come
Speaker 1: back on. You're probably the on the leader board right
Speaker 1: now as it comes to return guests.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you. It's an honor, Chris, I enjoy it.
Speaker 3: It's I love your mind. It's it's open, it's a
Speaker 3: free mind, and that's what it's going to take, you know.
Speaker 3: It's the agility. I was thinking earlier, back in the day,
Speaker 3: I was in ROTC and the drill sarck shit we had.
Speaker 3: I still remember the Cat Collins and I can remember
Speaker 3: him telling us and we were just we were just kids,
Speaker 3: you know, ro OTC. You know, I didn't want to
Speaker 3: go to Vietnam. And he said, the key to survival
Speaker 3: is flexibility, adapting to the situation. That's what freethinkers do.
Speaker 3: They adapt to the situation. Yeah, and you're a great freethinker, Chris,
Speaker 3: you really are. Well.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Wayne. I appreciate that and I'll
Speaker 1: look forward to the next one.
Speaker 3: Let's do it, my friend. Absolutely well. You have a
Speaker 3: great knife. All right, Thank you, Chris, Bye bye,