Speaker 1: Welcome to Next Level Soul, the place where we deep
dive into the mysteries of existence, uncover hidden layers of consciousness,
and explore the journey of the soul. I'm your host,
Alex Ferrari, and every week we sit down with the
world's leading spiritual teachers, mystics, scientists, and truth seekers to
illuminate the path towards awakening. Here we ask questions that
truly matter. Why are we here, where are we going?
And how do we elevate our lives, our purpose, and
our consciousness to the next level. This is a space
for transformation, a space for expansion, a space to remember
who you really are. So take a deep breath, open
your mind, and prepare to step into your next level soul. Now.
If you're ready to take your spiritual journey to the
next level, explore Next Level Soul TV, our streaming platform
filled with exclusive movies, docs, original shows, transformative series, guided meditations,
channel sessions, audiobooks, and deep spiritual teachings you won't find
anywhere else. New content drops every week, helping you expand
your consciousness and live from your highest potential. Start your
journey today at Next Levelsoul dot TV. The views opinions
and statements expressed by our guests are their own and
do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of Next
Level Soul Its host or any of the companies they represent. Now,
let's dive in to today's episode, like to welcome to
the show, Sarah Westman, Hey.
Speaker 2: And Sarah Oh, very good. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the show, Mandar,
I appreciate it. So, you know you're a channel, but
you're a channel, can you explain to the ouds what
kind of channel you are?
Speaker 2: Yes, Hi, thank you. I channel spiritual teachings and I've
been doing this for quite a long time, over twenty
years actually, And from the teachings that I channel, I've
also received a lot of teachings on how to teach
spiritual intuition, like how to teach intuitive practices. So it's
kind of a combination of channeling styles that we've got
going on here.
Speaker 1: Very cool. I haven't had someone like you on the
show before, so I'm excited to kind of get into
the weeds with you. So my first question is when
did you when did your what was your life like
prior to you starting to channel? And you know, this,
because I'm assuming it wasn't at the beginning of your
life when you were five, right, because Mom, Dad.
Speaker 2: Yes, just yet, just get my laptop out back then. No,
that's a great question. My life before that was sort
of a mix of feeling really different but not being
able to figure out what I was experiencing because I
didn't have any vocabulary for it or wasn't talked about
in my family. So I had a lot of spirit
activity and a lot of intuition coming in, but again
it was more like, oh, honey, you're so imaginative, or
what a great fantasy life you have, you know, that
was sort of the language I was given all this
stuff's happening, and so that went along for many, many years,
and then in my forties I had what I call
a near death experience on a plane where the oxygen
mass fell down from the cords and we put them
on and something in there kind of cracked open for me.
We were fine, obviously, I'm still here. We made an
emergency landing, but in that moment, I just want to say,
like I understood God, or I understood the universe, or
something just broke open. And that was in two thousand
and from that moment on, everything accelerated. And people have said,
you know, they have these near death experiences and then
it all happens, and it was kind of like that
for me, except for you know, I wasn't in a
near death experience like on a hospital bed. It was
just this peak experience of terror. And then also for
a lot of people, they have these experiences and they
experience love and light and beauty, and I just went
into pit of despair. And I was in pit of
despair for about four years and ended up getting divorced
and deaths in the family, some of this other trauma
that sometimes I went into full on, like I saw it,
and then I couldn't integrate it. I couldn't figure it out.
And so in two thousand and four, I was getting
divorced from my first husband and had just gone into
the place so I was going to be living and
was just kind of taking stock of everything with all
the boxes around and the packing boxes, and I saw
a man come up to the front door and I'm like, no,
not now, not going to even answer it, and then
he walked through the door, like through the wood, and
that was my first guide, and I was so shaken up.
I didn't know what to do, and all I could
do was think was write it down. Whatever he says,
just write it down, like so have some kind of
proof for the world. And so that was the beginning
of the channeling practice, and that happened. He didn't come
as an apparition originals that one time, but I would
sit on the sofa and I'd be like, Okay, I'm here,
and this being would come and I would just write
down these messages. And those messages eventually became my first book.
It's called Writing the Divine and they were the thirty
three lessons. So it's kind of this strange, strange practice
that I couldn't control. I would just literally have to
go there and announce myself and then it would come.
And then over the years I started to figure out
how I could make contact and you know, I could
go there instead of them just coming to me. And
that was that was a sort of a more rigorous
style of channeling and just a more rigorous s virtual awakening.
I guess at that point, well.
Speaker 1: I have I have lots of questions. Uh so when
you say that you went you can go to them,
what do you mean by that?
Speaker 2: I go into meditative state. And sometimes when people go
into meditation, they go like way far out into like
the vastness. But there's this kind of sweet spot you
can go into where you don't go out that far,
and that's sort of where you can have connection with
the guides, you can have the connection with the departed
or intuitive information. And so I go there and then
I just see if anything is there for me that
day or not.
Speaker 1: Fascinating. And so again, let let's go back to when
that man walked through the wall. You you have to
have at a certain point when that was happening to
you must have said, am I losing my mind?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what was that? Because I know if I
saw someone walk through the ball that looked that wasn't
like a like it was just like a dude walking
through the wall that I don't know, I'll be like, Okay,
we're in the matrix. Now what do we what is happening?
So how did you deal with that?
Speaker 2: Like I was like, yeah, I didn't deal with it
that well. I really didn't.
Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to hear that because if you
would have said it was fine, I would be concerned.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I started looking for answers. I started at that point,
like going to some of the psychics in my town,
or I started meditating, or I started doing ecstatic dance.
I just started whatever. I just started to read. But
I didn't know what that was. And even though I
was receiving these messages, I was pretty nervous to tell.
I didn't tell anyone about it, and the only one
I finally told was my current husband, and I said,
you know, this really weird thing's happening. I hope, I'm okay,
I don't know what's going on. And he said, oh, yeah,
that's channeling. And so then I had a word like okay, channeling.
Look well we didn't even have Google back then, probably,
but channeling, look up what that is. Okay, that's the
process of going into a fugue state and receiving information
in language. Okay, that's what's happening. And that just solved, Like, okay,
well what's this about. I'm super curious.
Speaker 1: So when did you decide to come out of the
spiritual closet? Because I've heard that from so many people
who have these gifts. Point you eventually have to come
up publicly, and you definitely obviously are very public about
this with you know how many books you've written and
so on. But that first step, like to your family,
to friends, to colleagues, what was that like for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I don't think I came out of the
spiritual closet. And that is such a good word. That
is what it's like. Until so I had this. I
don't have the correct book here, but I had the
full book of the channeling. It was completed, and I
really was disappointed because at that time in my life,
I wanted to be a popular novelist. I wanted to
be we don't have this term so much anymore, but
I wanted to be a chick lit writer right back then.
Speaker 1: I know where that is. Yeah, of course we'll be
right back after a word from our sponsor, and now
back to the show.
Speaker 2: It's like soft romance. Whatever I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: That you want Fabio on the cover? I got you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well I was really like said on that.
I was writing all these novels and and it's like,
darn it, I've got this spiritual channeling instead, I just
want to do the chick lit. And I had approached
some agents about the chick lit and had was talking
to one of them, and I sort of had to
accept that maybe chick lit wasn't going to happen, that
maybe this spiritual teaching stuff was actually where it was going.
And I sort of said to the universe, look, I
really wanted to do the the novels, but if this
is my path, I will do that instead. And the
day that I said that, the next day the agent said, hey,
you know, I know you've been sending me this stuff,
but if you ever thought about doing a book on channeling?
And I'm like, wow, really, And I said yes, by
the way, here's what I have and and and so
they said, yes, we're very interested. We love your channeled work,
but what we really want is so we've got half
a book here with this channeling. What we really want
is how do you do it? We need how to
we need we've got part two, we need part one,
how do you Channel? And that was the first book.
And what's so interesting there is even then the universe
was kind of like, yeah, you can channel, but we
want you to teach others how to do this stuff.
That's where your that's where your niche is going to
be as a teacher show other people. And so all
this whole sequence of events from trying to be a
chick lit writer.
Speaker 1: So it's so funny. It's so funny that you say that,
because you know so many times we walk walk the
earth with one idea and mind in regards to what
we're supposed to be doing, and a lot of times
that is a part of what we're doing, but it
is a part to a grander puzzle that we are
not privy to yet. Yeah, only with time do we realize, oh,
that job or this career that I spent twenty years
to do and has prepared me for what I'm about
to do now. So your education or skill set in
the chick lit space of just writing was a prerequisite
for you to be able to achieve or to accept
the information that you got in your channeling.
Speaker 2: Correct, that's right, That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I mean if you would have been a
janitor and I never picked up a book, it would
have been difficult for you to start to ch You
wouldn't even thought to have written, start writing. It just
wouldn't been part of it. So it was a part.
But it's so funny how the universe drives us to
you because I've been a filmmaker most of my career.
Now I'm a podcaster. It's weird. I'm still a filmmaker,
but this is what I do the most well with
basically all of my time right now. But all the
skills I picked up over those twenty twenty five years
of chasing the filmmaking dream of being the next Biel work,
like all filmmakers do, have prepared me to be able
to launch a show like this so quickly, so rapidly,
and have the success that we've been able to do.
But without all those skill sets, it's just impossible to do.
But the universe knows how to dangle the carry it.
So you keep going on the skills that you need
to the point where it goes okay, now it's time
to shift.
Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, those are such truth there, and
also the idea that like we have to say yes,
like we have to be open to the shift. If
you'd been like, nope, just doing films, or if I'd
been Nope, just doing that, none of this other stuff
would would have come to fruition. We had to say
yes and is it happening?
Speaker 1: And is it an interesting though? When they when the
universe asked you for the shift. It's usually scary generally speaking,
it's something outside of your box. It's a bit of
a risk, and it's scary. It's just a scary proposition.
I mean for you. Look, me doing this show was
scary being a spiritual podcast spare. I can't imagine coming
out as a channel writing books explaining that. That's even scary.
For me, it's even scarier. It took me a year
to really come out of the closet with this show,
to do it properly. And that's when the door show
and then the doors went open. Just like you just
you had that conversation, I'm like, like, guess if if
this is what I need to do, I'm open to it.
And the next day a phone call comes, Hey can
you write a channel book?
Speaker 2: You know. The The other lesson from that is then
I started to instead of my life started to be
instead of me forcing where I thought I was going, yes,
and just like, hey, universe, you know I obviously have
the wrong ideas. You just show me and I'm just
going to try and follow along as best I can
and sort of detach from any particular outcome. Just let
me know where I can be of use. I'll do that,
and that's been pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: That is a journey. Isn't it interesting that you generally, uh,
try to build the road that we're going to walk
in the dark because we don't know where it's going.
We have a general idea that we where we wanted
to go, but we don't know, and you just kind
of like and then you hit a wall, damn it.
Back up, hit a wall, damn it. Boom boom, hit
a wh damn it. Well, when you allow yourself to
do what you just said, hey, universe, you take the lead.
Is like you sit back, you stop building the road,
and then little bits of light start to shine on
the path that you need to walk, and then you
start to walk that path. And you're like, oh, this
is so much easier.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The other I think too, is like I
really realized pretty early well I don't know, but it's like,
it's not about me or it's not about you. It's
we're just one piece of the puzzle, and everybody's putting
the puzzle together, one piece of you know, here's my piece.
How can I help you? And that's a whole different
story than I will do this, you know, It's like,
here's the offering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that word eye, which is ego. It's ego saying
that like I I shall do what I I construct,
I shall hustle, I shall you know, all this kind
of stuff, and when you start to surrender, it just
seems to be so much easier, so much more in line.
And only someone like you and myself who've walked this
path that we're both walking right now and have walked,
we can speak of this because we're like, we both
tried to make it. You try to be a chick
lit you know, and I, you know, I tried to
be the next Spielberg and I got really close and
you probably got really close with the chick lit stuff
as well. I was in the room with giant movie stars.
I'm like, well, I'm good enough to get in the room.
Why isn't this happening? Like what's going on? So it's
really fascinating to see that with you. I wanted to
ask you a question in regards to your channel. Did
they ever say their name? Is it? Do they change
come in and out? Is it the same entity?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So the first was just one guy and that
was almost like that's a guy that's still with me.
Now he has a name Hajam. He's like this very
tiny sort of like when India and Asia historically they
were undivided. It's like, wait, he's from that time frame.
And then for the the next messages, I had these
two I shouldn't joke about it, but these two very
stern sort of Menonite or Quaker or very stern older ladies,
Constance and Miriam, and they were like, you better listen,
you better get those right. And then I had Angel Gabriel,
which was a big surprise. But most recently, the last
I don't know, fifteen years, it's been these just these
very tall beings. Some people I know say that they're
like eight Pleadians. I don't know. They're just light beings.
They don't have names. They're a collective.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds. It sounds the large beings from Again,
from my experiences talking to so many channels and people,
it seems that could be angels. It could be a
collective of angels. It could be a collective of beings
from another a higher level of evolution than us. But
let me ask you this question, why do you think
that you know, I'm assuming on the other side, there's
stuff to do. They could to a bar, they can
you know, hang out, you know, watch a movie. On
the other side, I'm sure they're fantastic. They got some
really great filmmakers. On the other side, you know, there's
there's good musicians. I'm sure you Why waste their time
with these messages? What is the purpose of these messages
coming through now at this specific moment in time.
Speaker 2: I think the message is to provide people with ways
to think about our existence, our lives on this planet,
like a new way of thinking about things that will
help us collectively evolve. And I would say that lots
of people channel nowadays, right, It's not just me, it's
lots of people. And you know, in ancient times, like
I would say the Bible, that was if somebody sat
down and channeled that, right.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
and now back to the show.
Speaker 2: Or other sacred texts. Those were channeled, and those provided
this kind of template for how do we think about
life where especially maybe in biblical times just an example,
not everybody was literate and so it created like this
hand like the handbook, like here's how you live your life,
you know, right or wrong, I'm not that was just
what is available to that culture at that time in
that aspect of development. So I feel like a lot
of the channeling coming now is about how do we
as humans lift up from this particular awareness that we're
in now, How do we get a lift up and
go forward to something more collective and cooperative and useful
for the planet. Now.
Speaker 1: You were saying earlier that you not only were going
through a divorce, but you were also going through other traumas,
and you went to that four year kind of like
the value of the shadow of death or kind.
Speaker 2: Of the misery of the despair of the doom.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly for about four years. And so many people
listening now are dealing with trauma, dealing with pain and
suffering that they've accumulated through their lifetime. We all accumulated.
There's not one that escapes it because we're down here
to learn. As a general statement, if you're not you're
not feeling pain of some sort here and there, you're
not growing. That's the nature of growth. If you want
to grow a muscle, you got to rip it down,
tear it apart for it to rebuild back up. So
what advice do you have for people with traumas or
pain or suffering that they're going through, and now how
do you release those pains, those traumas, the known ones
and the more importantly the unconscious ones that dominate our
lives that we don't even know that we're carrying with us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's some different levels of trauma. There's
there's there's trauma that actually happens to us if we're abused,
or we lose people we love, or we're in a war,
or those types of events that happen and we're in recovery.
And I think, especially after what we've been through with COVID,
there's a lot of that still going on. People are
sort of coming out of a PTSD style experience collectively
from that. So that's valid and that needs healing and
support and we need to help each other move through that.
But there's another kind of pain that comes from our mind,
and the darkness is very inviting. It's very comfortable to
go back into that the dark cave of sort of
your thoughts and your illusions and your misbeliefs and just
hang out in there. It's especially dark to go into
places of you know, drugs and alcohol substances and social
media and Harrison and just like really sink into this,
sink into this separation state. That's what it is. It's
a sense of being separate from and so that's being
separate from as a misbelief. It's really impossible for any
of us to be separate from it, from anything, and
so when we separate ourselves out, it's an ego thing.
And this is like the source of you know, this
is not a surprise, but this is the source of
all inner agony. Is I am separate, I'm not part
of And in fact that's untrue. We're all part of.
We can't be separate. It's it's the biggest myth. And
yet it's so seductive, oh for me, you know, so
noticing which kind of pain or trauma you're actually in,
is it real, like does it really need healing attention
or is it this just my mind sort of going
to that place again. And if that's the case, there's
some work to be done, there's some lessons to be
learned and some opening into that idea of the oneness
that's how things really are.
Speaker 1: I think that you're right. It is so much easier
to go into a place of judgment, to go into
a place of comparison because the ego wants to be there,
because the ego wants nothing more than to be relevant,
and that it's all about you, you, you and you
or in it. But when you start to open yourself up,
like you said, to the idea that we are all one,
that that's not just to melt away, and you become
more comfortable. That's why anybody that I've ever had on
the show, who's had a near death experience, at a
body experience or a channel, they see things so differently.
They all see the oneness. They all come back different
than when they were before. That's why I asked, where
were you before this situation? Because you know, you might
have had inklings, but when you had the change, your
perspective and life changed.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean just because our perspective changes, or
even just because we have these you know a lot
of people have these really significant spiritual practices or they
just because you're good, whatever that means to you. It
doesn't mean only good things are going to happen to you.
That's not It's just like the journey continues. It's just
you see you see the journey differently. You see the
journey as an opportunity to shed those misbeliefs and shed
all that ego stuff with every single lesson that comes in.
Speaker 1: I am a living proof of that. I just went
through eight days of no power in an ice storm,
and I feel like I'm doing good work. But lessons
needed to be taught, and I had to sit there
and go, hmm, why is this happening to me? You know,
and you have to go through the whole moment of
like day one, day two. Then the ego starts coming out,
like Wow, how come I just shouldn't be going through this?
And then then you start opening it up. It was
just a fascinating process just for me to go through
because you just and it was a stage. It was
stages every day that went by you just like why.
But then you have acceptance and you're like, Okay, if
this is the new reality for now, how I deal
with it? It will be how I approach what is and
I have no control over it, is how I will
live my life better. So I could be angry and
pitsed that I don't have power and I'm dealing with
all the stuff that you have to deal with when
it comes to that, or you could just accept it
and just go Okay, how am I going to deal
with it? What are the elements that have to deal
with Looking at life that way is like you know,
you get into a car accident and as a fender bender,
they're like, Okay, my car's in the shop for two weeks.
I could be really upset about it, or I could
just figure out how to move on because the thing
has no positive or negative charge. It is what it is.
The ice storm that hit Austin, it's nature. There was
an earthquake in Turkey a few days ago that's killed
over ten thousand people. For God's sakes, the earthquake's not evil.
It just is what it is, unfortunately for depending on
the perspective you're looking at.
Speaker 2: It's interesting too about this power outage. It's almost like
the lesson was not just for you, but collectively in
your area. We talked where I lived to we have
a lot of eye storms up in Portland. The power
is at like you have no power, like suddenly there
is no power, and that is direct hit to the
ego and the soul has to be like wait a second,
ego doesn't have power and I don't have power in
my house. But the sole power still is there. That's
the piece that is cannot be obliterated ever.
Speaker 1: So that's the piece right exactly. There's always that us
inside of you that controls the experience of this journey,
of this game, of this path, of this whatever quest
that we're on. It is always inside you, and it
cannot be extinguished no matter what the external tries to do,
because it's eternal. The soul is eternal, and it moves forward.
It's it was really fascinating because you know, you really
get tested. You're like, you know, I feel then the
ego starts to getting Yeah, I feel like I'm a
spiritual guy, you know, just very you know, I'm like
and then the and then the egos like you like,
the most spiritual person, you know, that kind of crap
starts coming up. I love that by it, and I
tell you when it isn't hilarious, but that's.
Speaker 2: What we do.
Speaker 1: That's what we do. The egos like I'm not spiritual
law until you start getting some accolades as being a
spiritual person. Then you're like, well, I'm the most spiritual
now like and this kind of stuff. But then then
the ego gets calm down. But something like an event
that you have literally no control over, none, none, no
control over a natural disaster. There's just nothing you can
do about it. So it's fascinating to see how the
ego dealt with it and how I dealt with it,
and then how you have to kind of like get
to a wall and just go, okay, that's what this
is about, and you know, and it had to linger
a bit. It can just be gone in a day
or two. You needed some time for this to just
really sink in. But these are ideas, These are things
that happen to all of us throughout our lives, whether
it be a power outed, whether it be a natural disaster,
which I've gone through, have gone through hurricanes multiple times
in my life. I've been in car accidents multiple time.
You know, these bigger events, life events that really shock you.
It just it jars you. We'll be right back after
a word from our sponsor and now back to the show,
you know, or up break. And then there's the emotional
ones that happened with either family or friends. And I
have to imagine when you came out of this spiritual closet,
you might have lost a friend or.
Speaker 2: Two, right, Oh for sure, I mean all of them,
all of them just it just was a complete switch.
And at the time I was living in a pretty
conservative place that was, you know, pretty pretty conservative, and yeah,
nothing went forward, and that was okay because something about
like the sole truth that maybe receive I was receiving
this channeling. It resonated so much. It was so clear
to me that when other people were really against it
or saying that's against their religion or whatever, I just
it didn't matter. It was like I had been exposed
to something deeper and I just realized they don't get it.
That's okay. I just still have to go on. It's okay.
I think it's really common when people have a lot
of the folks I teach, they start to they start
to experience some of this stuff with the guides or
or this direct connection with some of the guides that
work with us, and attempt to attempt to tell their
friends or something. And yeah, it's this disconnect. But that
is one of the parts of the path too. Is
a lot of the time, that's the journey you have
to do by yourself for a while until you can
find and I don't really care for that word tribe
so much, but until you can find a group that
is thinking in a similar way or has been through
these experiences.
Speaker 3: Also, there's a great deal of bravery that is needed
to leave what you've known, yeah behind and people that
you might have you know, had really good times within
the past, but they're not growing in the same or
they're not walking the path that you're walking.
Speaker 1: And I think there's a good example of that in
high school. People who you had the deepest connections within
high school, you look at a ten year reunion, you're just.
Speaker 4: Like, ooh, yeah, I can't I can't talk to you
any Yeah, think you've gone all you know, you're still
in high school in their mind, Like these these kind
of things that are but but that's part of life.
Speaker 1: There. People come into your life or for a reason,
a season or life, and there's a handful that stay
with you for the entire road. But many times just
people come in and out.
Speaker 2: But it's difficult, and there's no judgment on where a
person is absolute yeah, and we can't you know, the
person that you know is homeless or unhoused might be
the master and we just walked by and don't even
So it's like I don't think not all of us
as souls. We've been around however many times, and we
come in at different levels. It's it's there's no race,
there's no hierarchy. We're just kind of doing our lessons,
like when they told you in school, like keep your
eyes on your own paper, just like do your own
thing as as you can.
Speaker 1: That's what I love, Like you have your eyes on
your own paper. Everybody please, yeah, uh no, it's it's
it's truly truly fascinating, this this path that we're all
walking and and just dealing with the pains that we
deal with along the way. There's a concept of co
creation that we talk about that if you've talked about
in your work and I've you know, it's constant. Even
in quantum physics now there's even talks about this kind
of concept. Can you talk a little bit about co
creation of our reality and what that means?
Speaker 2: So I might so I have a little bit different
view than say, law of attraction. For me, law of
attraction is kind of a pre idea or an idea
that came in that we use for a while. And
the idea that I'm working with now that I received
from the guys is the idea of of flow, which
is that the universe is trying to take us, you, me,
the collective toward our highest potentiality, and the universe is
going to drop in every kind of event and clue
and nudge, and all we have to do is let
ourselves be guided. So we are not attracting to us.
We are allowing ourselves to be attracted to this highest
potentiality and the beauty there is it's surrender. We just surrender,
and it is our responsibility to notice the synchronicity, to
notice the nudge and to just allow yes, thank you,
but to move actively toward that. So it's a little
bit different, like we're not We're not saying to the universe,
I want to co create this car. We're staying to
the universe, I need transportation please, And the universe is saying,
follow these synchronicities and you will be attracted to your
highest potentiality. We will decide what that is. Is that
a jaguar? Is that a go kart? I don't know.
Potentiality for your soul's growth, not for your earth life,
for your soul's growth, because that's the bigger goal, it's
the big joke of the universes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so because you know, you might want the Porsche, yes,
but for your soul, you really need the eighty five
dots in yes, or even better than seventy two Gremlin.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, or a Nova, a.
Speaker 1: Little Binto. I've been in both cars in my youth,
and that might be, but that might not be what
you want. And that's the difference of like getting what
you want and getting what you need. And sometimes they align,
sometimes they do a line, but many times they don't.
And I didn't want to have no power, but apparently
I need. And you know what was the most frustrating
thing across the street, Power Street behind me, Power Street
to the left of me, Power over the other way.
Power I was the only street that had no power.
Speaker 2: It's interesting.
Speaker 1: It drove me nuts. It was a group of like,
you know whatever, eight to ten houses whatever that the
block is, yeah, and we all didn't have power, and
we just rode around. We're like, this is some what
you know, how infuriating it is to wake up in
the morning freezing and you look out the window and
you're like, they've got power.
Speaker 2: So what's interesting that It's like, so, I know, person,
my FA family is from a different country where power
went out all the time, right, no Internet most of
the time, and so you received a first hand or
I did this past winter of you know, we're not
the only ones in the world and what's happening in
other places, and like this is the reality. So that
brings a whole lot of compassion to what other people
go through every single day. We're so's it's miraculous. We
live in this sort of star trek like existence with
our cell phones and our all our zoom calls and.
Speaker 1: Our zoom calls, all technology.
Speaker 2: We don't have it yet in.
Speaker 1: A snap, all just garbage sitting there useless.
Speaker 2: That's right, useless, and you would be wishing I wish
I had a shovel. Maybe you probably was a shove.
Speaker 1: I wish I had a propate tank. It's yes, a barbecue,
you know, so you know some firewood that's cut proper
and it's not son wet. You know, these kind of
things you just don't think about in your normal existence.
But it made you shift. And I feel that the
lessons I've learned in these last eight days are going
to continue to unravel over the course of the weeks
and months ahead as you start to really analyze what
it was, but it's just a small, very small window
into a larger journey that people are on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't even know yet what it all meant.
Like I would call the ice storm at a synchronicity,
that's a disruption. All synchronicities are disruptors. They get us
to pay it. We're you know, moving along. They synchronicity disruption.
We pay attention. We're awake. We're doubly awake now. And
I would guess that you were probably more conscious than
awake in those moments of discomfort, you know, than in
perhaps just you know, when things are going smoothly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's pretty fascinating. Now. One thing I wanted
to to mention, and I love to hear your idea
your thoughts on this as well, is that, again, I
have a unique perspective. I've spoken to so many different
channels and mediums and psychics and near death experiences and
so on, but specifically with channels, there is a common
thread to all channels that I've spoken to or I've
been exposed to, is that the power of change is
within you. That these ideas of like it's within you
to open up to the universe it's within you to
walk the path. Everything we've talked about, it's all within you.
It's not like now if you buy my book, this
is the this is the way, or I need a
new jet. God told me I need a new jet.
Can you please donate fifty bucks? There's that way, or
that you need to follow what I say in order
to have salvation. No, we'll be right back after a
word from our sponsor, and now to the show. Every
every channel I've spoken to, all their messages are of love,
of unity, of oneness, of the power is within you,
that you are the divine. These are all common ideas,
and I've saw that in your work as well. So
a lot of people that I try to explain channeling
to and I don't. I'd love to hear what your
thoughts are. I try to explain that to them because
they're like, oh, it's a demon.
Speaker 3: I go.
Speaker 1: If it's a demon, you know these kind of ideas
are a bad person or bad entity or whatever you
want to call it. You know that, Well, I'm not
hearing that. And if they are saying bad things, I'm
not hearing that. All I hear is everything I told
you about love, unity, awer of the divine is within you.
We're all here on the journey, We're all here in soul.
It's all the same information from from people from around
the world, different perspectives of life, all have the same idea.
I'd love to hear what you have to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's so interesting people from around the
world having such similar messaging, especially as like I write
for some different journals where collections of channels will write
and here we are. You know, twenty twenty three, what
are the messages. They're different than twenty twenty two, They're
different than So there's this progression of you know, the
shift and all of the big astrological markers. But what
is coming from the guides, even though we're having probably
different guide groups, is this consistency of messaging. I think
it's interesting about channeling because I used to joke that
it wasn't channeling unless it started with dear ones, because
that's a a RaSE they always use. But there is
this sense of affection, this sense of affection like you
and I would have for a puppy. Like the guides
are like so elevated, We're just like these cute puppils.
You're trying to help, yes, navies, so dear ones. But
there's also this sense for a lot of channels like
this repetition, and I feel like that it's almost like
as you're reading it almost like a trance or a prayer,
or it allows the languaging itself, whether reading or read outloud,
allows the person to sink into a different dimension the
same way you would maybe when you're meditating. It takes
you to a place of understanding. And I find it
really useful, Like I read other people's work all the time,
and I just like sink into it just for the
joy of like that relaxation or that comfort or that
energy level that seems to come from it. And I
just find it fascinating that it's so consistent. People from
Africa will have Jesus, people from you know, it's like
different people from different cult so just will have crossing
over guides. And I find that fascinating too. I mean,
not just the guy that you were born with or whatever,
the guide from your own culture.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. I mean you you read certain books and
the words have a vibration to them. Yeah, there's just
no question. I mean you pick up autobiography of a
Yogi and read for the first time. I mean, there's
the words just kind of vibrate off the page. It is,
it's amazing. And there's so many books like that that
they just have their own energy to them and when
you when you read them, you go to a different place.
I'd listen to a lot of audio books, and when
you listen to channeled works, you just start like you go,
you almost go into it, almost into a trance of
like it's like a meditative place that you kind of
go to where you're just in this place of understanding
because it's all just remembering we all know the truth.
It's just reminding us of all the truth. And as
I think that we are now as society, as a
as a collective on this planet, are much more open
to this information and actually are searching for it. Hence
why your work is done as well as it has.
I can imagine from from two thousand and five to
twenty twenty three, the amount of change.
Speaker 2: That's how oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: And the acceptance of what you do must have been
astronomal Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, yeah, And I'm so thrilled now with
these younger generations, millennial but more even gen z, how
they are completely tuned into all this stuff, like they're
just worn. Yeah, we're born with it, and that is
a sign that we're evolving. You know, our grandparents or
our parents or our generation or even you know, depending
what generation are. But you know, we got part of it.
But these ones coming in, it's just like, I don't
know if it's there, you know, this idea that people
are going to start remembering what they reincarnated from. I
think these new generations are coming in with more memory,
whereas we didn't have that. But it's pretty remarkable to
see this this oneness idea, like in the ecology, in
anti racism or genderism or sexism, is that they're just
coming in as oneness and that's pretty cool to see.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, things that are happening today, there's an uproar
over you know, something in a race or a shooting
or injustice. There's uproars about that, where sixty years ago
it was business as usual. Yeah, absolutely business as usual.
And it's not only happening in race and in other
areas like that, but it's also happening in economics. It's
also happening, yes, everything science, It's happening in every aspect
of a human civilization. It's starting to people are like, no,
this doesn't make sense. So like, for one hundred years,
the concepts of quantum physics have basically been dormant a
couple of little adjustments. But now even scientists in the field,
they're like, no, we're going to go into string theory.
We're going to we're going to do things that are
going to rock the boat that was up there before.
Where before they would just never would have happened. We
just never would have happened. A show like this doesn't
exist twenty years ago, just does it. It's very very difficult,
very very difficult.
Speaker 2: Well, no one was awake enough to understand the concepts,
even that the channel languaging well well, or even just
the bigger scope of what you know you do on
your show. It wasn't available to people. Even they might
have been able to listen, but they wouldn't have been
able to understand it. So yeah, so we're here, we
are now with some different ideas.
Speaker 1: Now, in one of your books, you mentioned the concept
of suffering and bliss are the same. Can you explain
that a little bit, because that's a difficult concept to
wrap your head around for most people.
Speaker 2: I know, and it's just like it's a cause of
most people which want to reject right away. But yeah,
so that's one of the things about the channeling too,
is I get a lot of things. I'm like, my
ego self is like, ah nah, this, this can't be right,
and then I'll go in and ask again. But the
idea of suffering and bliss are the same, is about
one way to look at it as suffering is this
really like we talked earlier about this dark, silky place
of despair that going into the cave that's so comforting.
You can just stay and you're suffering and be a victim,
or you just conquer down and stay. And this idea,
the bliss that they were talking about is more the
super elevated bliss you might get from adrenaline or doing
something really exciting or having something super wonderful happen, you know,
you get an award, or you do drugs or something,
you know, just some way of jumping up to this
high place. And they're just saying both of those are
sort of extremes, and the place you want to be
is it's like the Buddhist way, the more like the
middle way. You want to be in this place of
not going to either side because those are extreme states,
and that's where the ego starts to get involved. The
ego in the souffron state goes into victim. The ego
into the bliss state goes into I'm so awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm the most spiritual, blissed out. I'm more spiritual than
Jesus put it together.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, I'm the most blissed out. And so
we want to just we want to just stay in
a more place of like, hey, I'm a soul, I'm
part of collective soul. I'm putting my piece of the
puzzle in. I'm I attempt to be have humility, I
attempt to surrender whenever I can. I'm just a piece
of I'm a piece of the whole. I'm not the whole.
Speaker 1: Big deal.
Speaker 2: That's That's sort of what we're trying to figure out there.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, if I may use an analogy,
it's kind of like eating junk food. You go to
the extreme of going to a fast food joint and
eating food that we know is not good, but it
tastes really good on the way in, and it feels
really comfortable, and it feels great, and you're like kind
of like being judgy or comparing yourself. It's very it's
a seductive but then the digestion kicks in and then
all of a sudden, you don't feel so good anymore.
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
and now back to the show, and you're like, oh,
that thing that I did earlier, it doesn't make me
feel good anymore. It's kind of the equivalence of going
having a you know, a big mac or a whopper.
You know, hey, anyone who's eating that knock yourselves out.
And I'm not saying it, but you're having you know,
indulgent fast food that's probably not the best for you,
and or having a healthy meal that might not have
the addictive equivalence of a cheesecake. But you know, in
about an hour, you're not only going to feel good,
you're going to feel great. Does that make sense? Is
that fair?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yes, except for id add on the other side.
So we put the junk food on the suffering side,
maybe we'll put on the bliss side, the super restricted,
very specific healthy diet that you know, I'm the most healthiest,
absolutely perfect, Yes, yes, yes, right, and so the universe
is like, hey, just relax, be grateful you have something
to eat. A lot of people don't relax, be nice
to each other, Maybe give your food away to someone else.
You know. It's like this middle road of let's just
a way to either of those.
Speaker 1: That's that's this wonderful way of putting it. We've talked
a little bit about a meaning and that we're here
for a purpose. So many of us struggle with that
of finding that. Like we were talking about the chick
lit and me talking about you know, Spielberg and being
a filmmaker. How do you discover why you're here? And again,
it doesn't have to be grand. So many people think,
like I have this grant, you know, I'm going to
be you know, save millions of lives. Like you could
be someone who just takes care of your family, yeah,
male or female, or you could just you know, write
the one book, or you could just help your local community.
But how do we find that thing that really gives
us the thing that we are here to do.
Speaker 2: I think that's such a good question, especially since a
lot of the people talking about finding purpose are the
authors or the podcasters or the teachers. And then everyone thinks, well,
I have to be an author or podcast or a teacher,
and it's like, no, if the world was made up
of those, right, we would never get our plumbing fixed
or we would never get our food cooked. And I
think for me, for me, it's pretty easy because my
skill set is pretty specific to writing and talking and
doing psychic work. But I can't do the rest of it.
Like I can't do cooking, I can't do so I
can do. I'm like, I'll just do my skill set
because that's all I got. Other people are much more gifted,
like they have like lots of gifts. But I think
it's really what you were doing when you were little.
You probably like I was. I was reading religion books
when I was six, you know, I was talking to
plants and dead people when I was six, Like I
was just always doing this. So whatever you've been doing
a long time, and then whatever, it gives you that
feeling of just super contributing, Like where can where can
I contribute the most? And that could be look at
the world, look at all the things for me that
could be anywhere. So I don't think that there's a
specific path people have to take. Sometimes when I work
with people reading, One of my questions is what are
your favorite spiritual practices that you do regularly? And they'll
usually say I meditate, and I'm like, okay, throw that
one out.
Speaker 1: What else?
Speaker 2: And what I'm looking for is I like to ride
my bike, or I like to play with my dog,
or I love teaching the kids at the neighborhood school
to read. I'm looking for that saying that is their
specific like heart opening piece that gives them joy. And
that's usually where this purpose is. It lies somewhere in
that center where that hurts, that heart opening pieces for
most people.
Speaker 1: And would you agree that not everyone's purpose is going
to be the main way they make money.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: That's another misnomer that everyone thinks that just because I
want to sing and I was put on this earth
to sing, that you're going to make a living doing that,
And there's nothing wrong. You could be a plumber and
sing on the weekends and you get to sure do that,
and that's the ego doesn't like that. If I'm going
to sing, I'm going to be whitn Houston. I'm going
to be Mariah Carey. I'm gonna win. America's got talent.
I'm going to go do that, and there are people
who do that, but most singers on the planet don't
make a living doing it. You know, those writers don't
make a living doing it, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: I even think that that's a part of our cultural
misbelief the last couple generations that sort of come about
from Internet having an exposure to a lot of people
that are. But I don't think. I don't even think
thirty or forty years ago that that belief was. I mean,
most people were like, I work for a company or
I work at home, and then I have like, we
had this thing back then called hobbies where people found
their truth. They're true, you know, so like like and
that was their joy, was their hobby. So I think
that's valid. I think I don't have to monetize. Yeah,
we don't have to monetize.
Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be nice if you could do what
you love and get paid to do it. But that
doesn't necessarily always line up. And it's not a lack
of it's not trying to crush a dream. It's just
it's just not it might not be in the path
for you. And I love that you brought back hobbies
because I remember hobby. I remember hobbies, like that was
the thing. There's a hobby, there's hobby stores, like, oh,
you know, I knit on the weekends. I don't need
to have a multi billion dollar knitting company, but I
just like to knit on the weekends. Or I like
to you know, I like to write, or I like
to paint, or I like to do things for my
own soul's purpose, just to get it out. And it
doesn't have to be this grandiose thing. But I think
the internet, especially in the West, especially in the US,
that everything is kind of amped up on steroids, if
you will, Like, if you paint, you've got to be Picasso.
If you're right, you've got to be Stephen King, you know,
like you have to it's always the big. But that's
not the case because and again from where I come from,
in the film industry, everybody wants to be Spielberg. But
there's there's probably two hundred, to let's say a best
case scenario, one thousand filmmakers in the studio system, and
you're talking about millions of people from around the world
who are trying to do that. The math doesn't add up,
and you know, it's.
Speaker 2: Kind of funny because I just had this thought and
this is may or may. This may be totally untrue,
but you know, Spielberg's probably sitting there right now, going darn,
I wish I could go work on my woodworking hobby
in the basement. Like He's just like, this is too
much pressure, So I want to go do woodworking.
Speaker 1: So you know what's funny is that because I know
I've spoken to in my other shows, I've interviewed a
lot of these people. I haven't spoken to Spielberg yet,
but I'm hoping. But I spoke to someone who is
an Oscar winner who worked with Ridley Scott, really Scott,
you know, who's a world famous director who did Gladiator
in a million other films. What he does he paints
between movies. He is a painter. He loves to paint.
Is he making a living office painting? No, but that's
his outlet when he's not directing. And he really is
probably one of the most prolific filmmakers of all time.
He just never stops. He's like eighty I think at
this point. But most filmmakers only get to do their
art for thirty to fifty days every two years. You
know what I mean the rest of the time, it's.
Speaker 2: Got to have the other life right, right, And.
Speaker 1: Most of the time is building up to get the
thing made and then finishing it off and then promoting it,
and then that's two years. But the actual art of
doing it is best case scenario thirty to sixty days.
If you're a Spielberg, maybe longer, but that's general schedule
for film. It's not a lot of time. So that's
an example of someone who's a great artist, but his
other art it's not paying his bills. He probably sells
them because he's famous, but generally speaking, that's not what
he does. So it's just just an example of a
small example of that what you might love to do
is not what you're able to And some.
Speaker 2: People also, you know this idea of we have little
patches of soul of our life's work, you know, we
might not do the same thing. Like you know, someone
might do something and then they do something else. And
then some people are just naturally very much they have
their their fingers in a lot of different pies all
the time, and that's perfect for them, like they don't
need to feel there's something wrong because they don't have
the big purpose it's like, just be in your experience.
It's totally fine to be in your experience and enjoy
your participation in the earth.
Speaker 1: On the earth a men's sister. Yeah, Now I'm going
to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests,
what is your definition of living a good life?
Speaker 2: Living a good life is participating at the best level
you can that day.
Speaker 1: I suppose good answer. What is your definition of.
Speaker 2: God my vast oneness?
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2: I'll defer to the channeling. It's the purpose of life
is soul growth.
Speaker 1: And where can people find out more about you and
the work that you're doing.
Speaker 2: Oh, they can find out about me at Sarah Wiseman
dot com And I do have I think I can
have a free mini course for those who want to
explore intuition. It's called the Magic of blind Reading, and
it takes you through a process of you answer the
question before you know what the question is. So it's
pretty fun to try that out.
Speaker 1: And do you have any parting words for our audience?
Speaker 2: You know, this is an amazing time, and I think
supporting each other in all the ways we can is
really the way to go because we're not really separate.
We're just one big blob of collective soul, so we
might as well start acting like that.
Speaker 1: Sarah, thank you so much for for your not only
coming on the show, but for the work that you're
doing to help awaken the world. So I appreciate you, my.
Speaker 2: Dear, oh my pleasure. Thanks so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.
If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll
find the show notes for this episode at Next levelsoul
dot com forward slash two two two, and if your
soul is craving an even deeper journey, step into Next
Level Soul TV, our streaming sanctuary for spiritual films, documentaries,
original shows, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks, and transformative teachings.
It's a space created to support your awakening, you're healing,
and your return to the truth of who you really are.
Begin your journey at Next levelsoul dot tv. Until next time,
keep expanding, keep seeking, and keep walking your path towards
the next level of your soul.
Speaker 3: The Banca Padic Acid