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the show, Sarah Westman, Hey.

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Speaker 2: And Sarah Oh, very good. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the show, Mandar,

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I appreciate it. So, you know you're a channel, but

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you're a channel, can you explain to the ouds what

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kind of channel you are?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Hi, thank you. I channel spiritual teachings and I've

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been doing this for quite a long time, over twenty

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years actually, And from the teachings that I channel, I've

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also received a lot of teachings on how to teach

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spiritual intuition, like how to teach intuitive practices. So it's

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kind of a combination of channeling styles that we've got

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going on here.

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Speaker 1: Very cool. I haven't had someone like you on the

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show before, so I'm excited to kind of get into

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the weeds with you. So my first question is when

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did you when did your what was your life like

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prior to you starting to channel? And you know, this,

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because I'm assuming it wasn't at the beginning of your

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life when you were five, right, because Mom, Dad.

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Speaker 2: Yes, just yet, just get my laptop out back then. No,

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that's a great question. My life before that was sort

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of a mix of feeling really different but not being

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able to figure out what I was experiencing because I

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didn't have any vocabulary for it or wasn't talked about

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in my family. So I had a lot of spirit

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activity and a lot of intuition coming in, but again

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it was more like, oh, honey, you're so imaginative, or

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what a great fantasy life you have, you know, that

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was sort of the language I was given all this

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stuff's happening, and so that went along for many, many years,

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and then in my forties I had what I call

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a near death experience on a plane where the oxygen

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mass fell down from the cords and we put them

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on and something in there kind of cracked open for me.

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We were fine, obviously, I'm still here. We made an

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emergency landing, but in that moment, I just want to say,

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like I understood God, or I understood the universe, or

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something just broke open. And that was in two thousand

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and from that moment on, everything accelerated. And people have said,

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you know, they have these near death experiences and then

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it all happens, and it was kind of like that

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for me, except for you know, I wasn't in a

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near death experience like on a hospital bed. It was

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just this peak experience of terror. And then also for

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a lot of people, they have these experiences and they

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experience love and light and beauty, and I just went

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into pit of despair. And I was in pit of

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despair for about four years and ended up getting divorced

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and deaths in the family, some of this other trauma

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that sometimes I went into full on, like I saw it,

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and then I couldn't integrate it. I couldn't figure it out.

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And so in two thousand and four, I was getting

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divorced from my first husband and had just gone into

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the place so I was going to be living and

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was just kind of taking stock of everything with all

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the boxes around and the packing boxes, and I saw

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a man come up to the front door and I'm like, no,

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not now, not going to even answer it, and then

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he walked through the door, like through the wood, and

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that was my first guide, and I was so shaken up.

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I didn't know what to do, and all I could

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do was think was write it down. Whatever he says,

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just write it down, like so have some kind of

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proof for the world. And so that was the beginning

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of the channeling practice, and that happened. He didn't come

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as an apparition originals that one time, but I would

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sit on the sofa and I'd be like, Okay, I'm here,

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and this being would come and I would just write

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down these messages. And those messages eventually became my first book.

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It's called Writing the Divine and they were the thirty

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three lessons. So it's kind of this strange, strange practice

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that I couldn't control. I would just literally have to

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go there and announce myself and then it would come.

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how I could make contact and you know, I could

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go there instead of them just coming to me. And

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that was that was a sort of a more rigorous

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style of channeling and just a more rigorous s virtual awakening.

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I guess at that point, well.

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Speaker 1: I have I have lots of questions. Uh so when

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you say that you went you can go to them,

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what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 2: I go into meditative state. And sometimes when people go

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into meditation, they go like way far out into like

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the vastness. But there's this kind of sweet spot you

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can go into where you don't go out that far,

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and that's sort of where you can have connection with

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the guides, you can have the connection with the departed

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or intuitive information. And so I go there and then

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I just see if anything is there for me that

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day or not.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating. And so again, let let's go back to when

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that man walked through the wall. You you have to

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have at a certain point when that was happening to

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you must have said, am I losing my mind?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what was that? Because I know if I

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saw someone walk through the ball that looked that wasn't

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like a like it was just like a dude walking

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through the wall that I don't know, I'll be like, Okay,

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we're in the matrix. Now what do we what is happening?

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So how did you deal with that?

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Speaker 2: Like I was like, yeah, I didn't deal with it

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that well. I really didn't.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to hear that because if you

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would have said it was fine, I would be concerned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I started looking for answers. I started at that point,

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like going to some of the psychics in my town,

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or I started meditating, or I started doing ecstatic dance.

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I just started whatever. I just started to read. But

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I didn't know what that was. And even though I

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was receiving these messages, I was pretty nervous to tell.

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I didn't tell anyone about it, and the only one

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I finally told was my current husband, and I said,

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you know, this really weird thing's happening. I hope, I'm okay,

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I don't know what's going on. And he said, oh, yeah,

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that's channeling. And so then I had a word like okay, channeling.

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Look well we didn't even have Google back then, probably,

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but channeling, look up what that is. Okay, that's the

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process of going into a fugue state and receiving information

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in language. Okay, that's what's happening. And that just solved, Like, okay,

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well what's this about. I'm super curious.

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Speaker 1: So when did you decide to come out of the

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spiritual closet? Because I've heard that from so many people

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who have these gifts. Point you eventually have to come

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up publicly, and you definitely obviously are very public about

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this with you know how many books you've written and

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so on. But that first step, like to your family,

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to friends, to colleagues, what was that like for you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I don't think I came out of the

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spiritual closet. And that is such a good word. That

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is what it's like. Until so I had this. I

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don't have the correct book here, but I had the

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full book of the channeling. It was completed, and I

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really was disappointed because at that time in my life,

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I wanted to be a popular novelist. I wanted to

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be we don't have this term so much anymore, but

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I wanted to be a chick lit writer right back then.

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Speaker 1: I know where that is. Yeah, of course we'll be

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Speaker 2: It's like soft romance. Whatever I wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: That you want Fabio on the cover? I got you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well I was really like said on that.

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I was writing all these novels and and it's like,

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darn it, I've got this spiritual channeling instead, I just

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want to do the chick lit. And I had approached

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some agents about the chick lit and had was talking

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to one of them, and I sort of had to

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accept that maybe chick lit wasn't going to happen, that

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maybe this spiritual teaching stuff was actually where it was going.

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And I sort of said to the universe, look, I

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really wanted to do the the novels, but if this

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is my path, I will do that instead. And the

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day that I said that, the next day the agent said, hey,

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you know, I know you've been sending me this stuff,

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but if you ever thought about doing a book on channeling?

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And I'm like, wow, really, And I said yes, by

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the way, here's what I have and and and so

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they said, yes, we're very interested. We love your channeled work,

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but what we really want is so we've got half

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a book here with this channeling. What we really want

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is how do you do it? We need how to

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we need we've got part two, we need part one,

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how do you Channel? And that was the first book.

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And what's so interesting there is even then the universe

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was kind of like, yeah, you can channel, but we

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want you to teach others how to do this stuff.

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That's where your that's where your niche is going to

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be as a teacher show other people. And so all

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this whole sequence of events from trying to be a

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chick lit writer.

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Speaker 1: So it's so funny. It's so funny that you say that,

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because you know so many times we walk walk the

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earth with one idea and mind in regards to what

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we're supposed to be doing, and a lot of times

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that is a part of what we're doing, but it

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is a part to a grander puzzle that we are

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not privy to yet. Yeah, only with time do we realize, oh,

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that job or this career that I spent twenty years

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to do and has prepared me for what I'm about

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to do now. So your education or skill set in

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the chick lit space of just writing was a prerequisite

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for you to be able to achieve or to accept

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the information that you got in your channeling.

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Speaker 2: Correct, that's right, That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I mean if you would have been a

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janitor and I never picked up a book, it would

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have been difficult for you to start to ch You

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wouldn't even thought to have written, start writing. It just

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wouldn't been part of it. So it was a part.

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But it's so funny how the universe drives us to

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you because I've been a filmmaker most of my career.

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but this is what I do the most well with

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basically all of my time right now. But all the

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skills I picked up over those twenty twenty five years

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of chasing the filmmaking dream of being the next Biel work,

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like all filmmakers do, have prepared me to be able

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to launch a show like this so quickly, so rapidly,

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and have the success that we've been able to do.

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So you keep going on the skills that you need

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to the point where it goes okay, now it's time

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to shift.

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Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, those are such truth there, and

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like we have to be open to the shift. If

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you'd been like, nope, just doing films, or if I'd

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been Nope, just doing that, none of this other stuff

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would would have come to fruition. We had to say

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yes and is it happening?

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Speaker 1: And is it an interesting though? When they when the

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universe asked you for the shift. It's usually scary generally speaking,

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it's something outside of your box. It's a bit of

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a risk, and it's scary. It's just a scary proposition.

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I mean for you. Look, me doing this show was

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scary being a spiritual podcast spare. I can't imagine coming

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out as a channel writing books explaining that. That's even scary.

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For me, it's even scarier. It took me a year

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to really come out of the closet with this show,

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to do it properly. And that's when the door show

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and then the doors went open. Just like you just

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you had that conversation, I'm like, like, guess if if

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this is what I need to do, I'm open to it.

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And the next day a phone call comes, Hey can

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you write a channel book?

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Speaker 2: You know. The The other lesson from that is then

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I started to instead of my life started to be

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instead of me forcing where I thought I was going, yes,

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and just like, hey, universe, you know I obviously have

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the wrong ideas. You just show me and I'm just

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going to try and follow along as best I can

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and sort of detach from any particular outcome. Just let

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me know where I can be of use. I'll do that,

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and that's been pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: That is a journey. Isn't it interesting that you generally, uh,

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try to build the road that we're going to walk

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in the dark because we don't know where it's going.

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to go, but we don't know, and you just kind

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of like and then you hit a wall, damn it.

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Back up, hit a wall, damn it. Boom boom, hit

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a wh damn it. Well, when you allow yourself to

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do what you just said, hey, universe, you take the lead.

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Is like you sit back, you stop building the road,

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and then little bits of light start to shine on

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the path that you need to walk, and then you

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start to walk that path. And you're like, oh, this

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is so much easier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The other I think too, is like I

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really realized pretty early well I don't know, but it's like,

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it's not about me or it's not about you. It's

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we're just one piece of the puzzle, and everybody's putting

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the puzzle together, one piece of you know, here's my piece.

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How can I help you? And that's a whole different

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story than I will do this, you know, It's like,

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here's the offering.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that word eye, which is ego. It's ego saying

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that like I I shall do what I I construct,

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I shall hustle, I shall you know, all this kind

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of stuff, and when you start to surrender, it just

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seems to be so much easier, so much more in line.

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And only someone like you and myself who've walked this

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path that we're both walking right now and have walked,

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we can speak of this because we're like, we both

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tried to make it. You try to be a chick

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lit you know, and I, you know, I tried to

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be the next Spielberg and I got really close and

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you probably got really close with the chick lit stuff

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as well. I was in the room with giant movie stars.

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I'm like, well, I'm good enough to get in the room.

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Why isn't this happening? Like what's going on? So it's

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really fascinating to see that with you. I wanted to

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ask you a question in regards to your channel. Did

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they ever say their name? Is it? Do they change

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come in and out? Is it the same entity?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So the first was just one guy and that

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was almost like that's a guy that's still with me.

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Now he has a name Hajam. He's like this very

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tiny sort of like when India and Asia historically they

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were undivided. It's like, wait, he's from that time frame.

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And then for the the next messages, I had these

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two I shouldn't joke about it, but these two very

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stern sort of Menonite or Quaker or very stern older ladies,

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Constance and Miriam, and they were like, you better listen,

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you better get those right. And then I had Angel Gabriel,

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which was a big surprise. But most recently, the last

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I don't know, fifteen years, it's been these just these

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very tall beings. Some people I know say that they're

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like eight Pleadians. I don't know. They're just light beings.

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They don't have names. They're a collective.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds. It sounds the large beings from Again,

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from my experiences talking to so many channels and people,

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it seems that could be angels. It could be a

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collective of angels. It could be a collective of beings

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from another a higher level of evolution than us. But

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let me ask you this question, why do you think

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that you know, I'm assuming on the other side, there's

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stuff to do. They could to a bar, they can

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you know, hang out, you know, watch a movie. On

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the other side, I'm sure they're fantastic. They got some

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really great filmmakers. On the other side, you know, there's

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there's good musicians. I'm sure you Why waste their time

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with these messages? What is the purpose of these messages

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coming through now at this specific moment in time.

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Speaker 2: I think the message is to provide people with ways

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to think about our existence, our lives on this planet,

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like a new way of thinking about things that will

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help us collectively evolve. And I would say that lots

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of people channel nowadays, right, It's not just me, it's

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lots of people. And you know, in ancient times, like

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I would say the Bible, that was if somebody sat

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down and channeled that, right.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

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and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Or other sacred texts. Those were channeled, and those provided

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this kind of template for how do we think about

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life where especially maybe in biblical times just an example,

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not everybody was literate and so it created like this

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hand like the handbook, like here's how you live your life,

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you know, right or wrong, I'm not that was just

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what is available to that culture at that time in

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that aspect of development. So I feel like a lot

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of the channeling coming now is about how do we

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as humans lift up from this particular awareness that we're

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in now, How do we get a lift up and

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go forward to something more collective and cooperative and useful

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for the planet. Now.

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Speaker 1: You were saying earlier that you not only were going

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through a divorce, but you were also going through other traumas,

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and you went to that four year kind of like

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the value of the shadow of death or kind.

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Speaker 2: Of the misery of the despair of the doom.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly for about four years. And so many people

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listening now are dealing with trauma, dealing with pain and

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suffering that they've accumulated through their lifetime. We all accumulated.

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There's not one that escapes it because we're down here

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to learn. As a general statement, if you're not you're

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not feeling pain of some sort here and there, you're

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not growing. That's the nature of growth. If you want

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to grow a muscle, you got to rip it down,

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tear it apart for it to rebuild back up. So

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what advice do you have for people with traumas or

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pain or suffering that they're going through, and now how

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do you release those pains, those traumas, the known ones

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and the more importantly the unconscious ones that dominate our

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lives that we don't even know that we're carrying with us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's some different levels of trauma. There's

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there's there's trauma that actually happens to us if we're abused,

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or we lose people we love, or we're in a war,

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or those types of events that happen and we're in recovery.

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there's a lot of that still going on. People are

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sort of coming out of a PTSD style experience collectively

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from that. So that's valid and that needs healing and

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support and we need to help each other move through that.

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But there's another kind of pain that comes from our mind,

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and the darkness is very inviting. It's very comfortable to

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go back into that the dark cave of sort of

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your thoughts and your illusions and your misbeliefs and just

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hang out in there. It's especially dark to go into

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places of you know, drugs and alcohol substances and social

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media and Harrison and just like really sink into this,

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sink into this separation state. That's what it is. It's

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a sense of being separate from and so that's being

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separate from as a misbelief. It's really impossible for any

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of us to be separate from it, from anything, and

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so when we separate ourselves out, it's an ego thing.

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And this is like the source of you know, this

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is not a surprise, but this is the source of

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all inner agony. Is I am separate, I'm not part

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of And in fact that's untrue. We're all part of.

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We can't be separate. It's it's the biggest myth. And

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yet it's so seductive, oh for me, you know, so

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noticing which kind of pain or trauma you're actually in,

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is it real, like does it really need healing attention

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or is it this just my mind sort of going

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to that place again. And if that's the case, there's

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some work to be done, there's some lessons to be

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learned and some opening into that idea of the oneness

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that's how things really are.

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Speaker 1: I think that you're right. It is so much easier

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to go into a place of judgment, to go into

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a place of comparison because the ego wants to be there,

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because the ego wants nothing more than to be relevant,

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and that it's all about you, you, you and you

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or in it. But when you start to open yourself up,

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like you said, to the idea that we are all one,

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that that's not just to melt away, and you become

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more comfortable. That's why anybody that I've ever had on

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the show, who's had a near death experience, at a

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body experience or a channel, they see things so differently.

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They all see the oneness. They all come back different

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than when they were before. That's why I asked, where

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were you before this situation? Because you know, you might

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have had inklings, but when you had the change, your

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perspective and life changed.

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean just because our perspective changes, or

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even just because we have these you know a lot

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of people have these really significant spiritual practices or they

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just because you're good, whatever that means to you. It

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doesn't mean only good things are going to happen to you.

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That's not It's just like the journey continues. It's just

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you see you see the journey differently. You see the

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journey as an opportunity to shed those misbeliefs and shed

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all that ego stuff with every single lesson that comes in.

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Speaker 1: I am a living proof of that. I just went

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through eight days of no power in an ice storm,

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and I feel like I'm doing good work. But lessons

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needed to be taught, and I had to sit there

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and go, hmm, why is this happening to me? You know,

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and you have to go through the whole moment of

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like day one, day two. Then the ego starts coming out,

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like Wow, how come I just shouldn't be going through this?

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And then then you start opening it up. It was

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just a fascinating process just for me to go through

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because you just and it was a stage. It was

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stages every day that went by you just like why.

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But then you have acceptance and you're like, Okay, if

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this is the new reality for now, how I deal

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with it? It will be how I approach what is and

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I have no control over it, is how I will

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live my life better. So I could be angry and

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pitsed that I don't have power and I'm dealing with

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all the stuff that you have to deal with when

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it comes to that, or you could just accept it

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and just go Okay, how am I going to deal

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with it? What are the elements that have to deal

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with Looking at life that way is like you know,

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you get into a car accident and as a fender bender,

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they're like, Okay, my car's in the shop for two weeks.

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I could be really upset about it, or I could

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just figure out how to move on because the thing

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has no positive or negative charge. It is what it is.

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The ice storm that hit Austin, it's nature. There was

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an earthquake in Turkey a few days ago that's killed

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over ten thousand people. For God's sakes, the earthquake's not evil.

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It just is what it is, unfortunately for depending on

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the perspective you're looking at.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting too about this power outage. It's almost like

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the lesson was not just for you, but collectively in

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your area. We talked where I lived to we have

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a lot of eye storms up in Portland. The power

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is at like you have no power, like suddenly there

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is no power, and that is direct hit to the

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ego and the soul has to be like wait a second,

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ego doesn't have power and I don't have power in

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my house. But the sole power still is there. That's

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the piece that is cannot be obliterated ever.

476
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: So that's the piece right exactly. There's always that us

477
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:05,880
inside of you that controls the experience of this journey,

478
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,720
of this game, of this path, of this whatever quest

479
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:12,839
that we're on. It is always inside you, and it

480
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,599
cannot be extinguished no matter what the external tries to do,

481
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,640
because it's eternal. The soul is eternal, and it moves forward.

482
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,160
It's it was really fascinating because you know, you really

483
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,640
get tested. You're like, you know, I feel then the

484
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,240
ego starts to getting Yeah, I feel like I'm a

485
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,960
spiritual guy, you know, just very you know, I'm like

486
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:33,440
and then the and then the egos like you like,

487
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,400
the most spiritual person, you know, that kind of crap

488
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:38,880
starts coming up. I love that by it, and I

489
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,240
tell you when it isn't hilarious, but that's.

490
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: What we do.

491
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: That's what we do. The egos like I'm not spiritual

492
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,519
law until you start getting some accolades as being a

493
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:50,000
spiritual person. Then you're like, well, I'm the most spiritual

494
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:54,000
now like and this kind of stuff. But then then

495
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:57,680
the ego gets calm down. But something like an event

496
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,720
that you have literally no control over, none, none, no

497
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:05,559
control over a natural disaster. There's just nothing you can

498
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:09,279
do about it. So it's fascinating to see how the

499
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,319
ego dealt with it and how I dealt with it,

500
00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:16,000
and then how you have to kind of like get

501
00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:19,519
to a wall and just go, okay, that's what this

502
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,160
is about, and you know, and it had to linger

503
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,039
a bit. It can just be gone in a day

504
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:26,559
or two. You needed some time for this to just

505
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,119
really sink in. But these are ideas, These are things

506
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,319
that happen to all of us throughout our lives, whether

507
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:34,279
it be a power outed, whether it be a natural disaster,

508
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,319
which I've gone through, have gone through hurricanes multiple times

509
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:39,839
in my life. I've been in car accidents multiple time.

510
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,000
You know, these bigger events, life events that really shock you.

511
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,279
It just it jars you. We'll be right back after

512
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:54,400
a word from our sponsor and now back to the show,

513
00:29:57,079 --> 00:29:59,359
you know, or up break. And then there's the emotional

514
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:02,400
ones that happened with either family or friends. And I

515
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,599
have to imagine when you came out of this spiritual closet,

516
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,839
you might have lost a friend or.

517
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:10,519
Speaker 2: Two, right, Oh for sure, I mean all of them,

518
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,880
all of them just it just was a complete switch.

519
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:18,519
And at the time I was living in a pretty

520
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:26,799
conservative place that was, you know, pretty pretty conservative, and yeah,

521
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:34,079
nothing went forward, and that was okay because something about

522
00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:39,079
like the sole truth that maybe receive I was receiving

523
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:44,720
this channeling. It resonated so much. It was so clear

524
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:49,559
to me that when other people were really against it

525
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,599
or saying that's against their religion or whatever, I just

526
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,880
it didn't matter. It was like I had been exposed

527
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,039
to something deeper and I just realized they don't get it.

528
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:04,400
That's okay. I just still have to go on. It's okay.

529
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:09,000
I think it's really common when people have a lot

530
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,839
of the folks I teach, they start to they start

531
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,759
to experience some of this stuff with the guides or

532
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:20,240
or this direct connection with some of the guides that

533
00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:23,680
work with us, and attempt to attempt to tell their

534
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,880
friends or something. And yeah, it's this disconnect. But that

535
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:29,200
is one of the parts of the path too. Is

536
00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:32,920
a lot of the time, that's the journey you have

537
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,039
to do by yourself for a while until you can

538
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:39,319
find and I don't really care for that word tribe

539
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,200
so much, but until you can find a group that

540
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:46,480
is thinking in a similar way or has been through

541
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,559
these experiences.

542
00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:53,039
Speaker 3: Also, there's a great deal of bravery that is needed

543
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,559
to leave what you've known, yeah behind and people that

544
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:01,759
you might have you know, had really good times within

545
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:04,279
the past, but they're not growing in the same or

546
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:05,839
they're not walking the path that you're walking.

547
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,279
Speaker 1: And I think there's a good example of that in

548
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:10,240
high school. People who you had the deepest connections within

549
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:13,079
high school, you look at a ten year reunion, you're just.

550
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:17,599
Speaker 4: Like, ooh, yeah, I can't I can't talk to you

551
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,960
any Yeah, think you've gone all you know, you're still

552
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,440
in high school in their mind, Like these these kind

553
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:27,359
of things that are but but that's part of life.

554
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: There. People come into your life or for a reason,

555
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,000
a season or life, and there's a handful that stay

556
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:35,480
with you for the entire road. But many times just

557
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:36,480
people come in and out.

558
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: But it's difficult, and there's no judgment on where a

559
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:44,400
person is absolute yeah, and we can't you know, the

560
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:51,119
person that you know is homeless or unhoused might be

561
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:55,039
the master and we just walked by and don't even

562
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,000
So it's like I don't think not all of us

563
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:03,000
as souls. We've been around however many times, and we

564
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:06,720
come in at different levels. It's it's there's no race,

565
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,920
there's no hierarchy. We're just kind of doing our lessons,

566
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,839
like when they told you in school, like keep your

567
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:16,759
eyes on your own paper, just like do your own

568
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:18,440
thing as as you can.

569
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: That's what I love, Like you have your eyes on

570
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,759
your own paper. Everybody please, yeah, uh no, it's it's

571
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:29,720
it's truly truly fascinating, this this path that we're all

572
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:35,000
walking and and just dealing with the pains that we

573
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:41,000
deal with along the way. There's a concept of co

574
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:45,000
creation that we talk about that if you've talked about

575
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,920
in your work and I've you know, it's constant. Even

576
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,480
in quantum physics now there's even talks about this kind

577
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:54,119
of concept. Can you talk a little bit about co

578
00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:58,119
creation of our reality and what that means?

579
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,359
Speaker 2: So I might so I have a little bit different

580
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:08,360
view than say, law of attraction. For me, law of

581
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,760
attraction is kind of a pre idea or an idea

582
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,280
that came in that we use for a while. And

583
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,639
the idea that I'm working with now that I received

584
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:21,119
from the guys is the idea of of flow, which

585
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:26,000
is that the universe is trying to take us, you, me,

586
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,119
the collective toward our highest potentiality, and the universe is

587
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:34,000
going to drop in every kind of event and clue

588
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,320
and nudge, and all we have to do is let

589
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,639
ourselves be guided. So we are not attracting to us.

590
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:46,519
We are allowing ourselves to be attracted to this highest

591
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:50,679
potentiality and the beauty there is it's surrender. We just surrender,

592
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:56,880
and it is our responsibility to notice the synchronicity, to

593
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,719
notice the nudge and to just allow yes, thank you,

594
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,960
but to move actively toward that. So it's a little

595
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,840
bit different, like we're not We're not saying to the universe,

596
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,480
I want to co create this car. We're staying to

597
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,679
the universe, I need transportation please, And the universe is saying,

598
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,679
follow these synchronicities and you will be attracted to your

599
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,639
highest potentiality. We will decide what that is. Is that

600
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:27,519
a jaguar? Is that a go kart? I don't know.

601
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,920
Potentiality for your soul's growth, not for your earth life,

602
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:38,480
for your soul's growth, because that's the bigger goal, it's

603
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:40,039
the big joke of the universes.

604
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so because you know, you might want the Porsche, yes,

605
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,639
but for your soul, you really need the eighty five

606
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:54,880
dots in yes, or even better than seventy two Gremlin.

607
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,519
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, or a Nova, a.

608
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: Little Binto. I've been in both cars in my youth,

609
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,719
and that might be, but that might not be what

610
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,000
you want. And that's the difference of like getting what

611
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:15,400
you want and getting what you need. And sometimes they align,

612
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,360
sometimes they do a line, but many times they don't.

613
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,800
And I didn't want to have no power, but apparently

614
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,960
I need. And you know what was the most frustrating

615
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,440
thing across the street, Power Street behind me, Power Street

616
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,480
to the left of me, Power over the other way.

617
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:34,599
Power I was the only street that had no power.

618
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: It's interesting.

619
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: It drove me nuts. It was a group of like,

620
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:41,159
you know whatever, eight to ten houses whatever that the

621
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:43,920
block is, yeah, and we all didn't have power, and

622
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,639
we just rode around. We're like, this is some what

623
00:36:48,039 --> 00:36:50,480
you know, how infuriating it is to wake up in

624
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:52,639
the morning freezing and you look out the window and

625
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:54,199
you're like, they've got power.

626
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:59,639
Speaker 2: So what's interesting that It's like, so, I know, person,

627
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,039
my FA family is from a different country where power

628
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:07,960
went out all the time, right, no Internet most of

629
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,119
the time, and so you received a first hand or

630
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:15,440
I did this past winter of you know, we're not

631
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,559
the only ones in the world and what's happening in

632
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,880
other places, and like this is the reality. So that

633
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,599
brings a whole lot of compassion to what other people

634
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:30,119
go through every single day. We're so's it's miraculous. We

635
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:33,280
live in this sort of star trek like existence with

636
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,079
our cell phones and our all our zoom calls and.

637
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: Our zoom calls, all technology.

638
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:40,559
Speaker 2: We don't have it yet in.

639
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: A snap, all just garbage sitting there useless.

640
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:49,119
Speaker 2: That's right, useless, and you would be wishing I wish

641
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:51,840
I had a shovel. Maybe you probably was a shove.

642
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: I wish I had a propate tank. It's yes, a barbecue,

643
00:37:57,159 --> 00:37:59,920
you know, so you know some firewood that's cut proper

644
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:02,480
and it's not son wet. You know, these kind of

645
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,559
things you just don't think about in your normal existence.

646
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,079
But it made you shift. And I feel that the

647
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:09,920
lessons I've learned in these last eight days are going

648
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,400
to continue to unravel over the course of the weeks

649
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,599
and months ahead as you start to really analyze what

650
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:18,719
it was, but it's just a small, very small window

651
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,199
into a larger journey that people are on.

652
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't even know yet what it all meant.

653
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:29,519
Like I would call the ice storm at a synchronicity,

654
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:35,119
that's a disruption. All synchronicities are disruptors. They get us

655
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:39,280
to pay it. We're you know, moving along. They synchronicity disruption.

656
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,239
We pay attention. We're awake. We're doubly awake now. And

657
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,760
I would guess that you were probably more conscious than

658
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:51,320
awake in those moments of discomfort, you know, than in

659
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,480
perhaps just you know, when things are going smoothly.

660
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's pretty fascinating. Now. One thing I wanted

661
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,239
to to mention, and I love to hear your idea

662
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,639
your thoughts on this as well, is that, again, I

663
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,039
have a unique perspective. I've spoken to so many different

664
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:12,440
channels and mediums and psychics and near death experiences and

665
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:16,880
so on, but specifically with channels, there is a common

666
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:20,519
thread to all channels that I've spoken to or I've

667
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:24,360
been exposed to, is that the power of change is

668
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,039
within you. That these ideas of like it's within you

669
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,639
to open up to the universe it's within you to

670
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:34,960
walk the path. Everything we've talked about, it's all within you.

671
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:40,239
It's not like now if you buy my book, this

672
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,239
is the this is the way, or I need a

673
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,239
new jet. God told me I need a new jet.

674
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,920
Can you please donate fifty bucks? There's that way, or

675
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,079
that you need to follow what I say in order

676
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:54,639
to have salvation. No, we'll be right back after a

677
00:39:54,679 --> 00:40:03,119
word from our sponsor, and now to the show. Every

678
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:06,280
every channel I've spoken to, all their messages are of love,

679
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,840
of unity, of oneness, of the power is within you,

680
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,440
that you are the divine. These are all common ideas,

681
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,719
and I've saw that in your work as well. So

682
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,199
a lot of people that I try to explain channeling

683
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,400
to and I don't. I'd love to hear what your

684
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,280
thoughts are. I try to explain that to them because

685
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,400
they're like, oh, it's a demon.

686
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 3: I go.

687
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:27,639
Speaker 1: If it's a demon, you know these kind of ideas

688
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:31,480
are a bad person or bad entity or whatever you

689
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:35,440
want to call it. You know that, Well, I'm not

690
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,079
hearing that. And if they are saying bad things, I'm

691
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:40,159
not hearing that. All I hear is everything I told

692
00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:44,400
you about love, unity, awer of the divine is within you.

693
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,679
We're all here on the journey, We're all here in soul.

694
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,760
It's all the same information from from people from around

695
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:56,000
the world, different perspectives of life, all have the same idea.

696
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:57,400
I'd love to hear what you have to say.

697
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's so interesting people from around the

698
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,719
world having such similar messaging, especially as like I write

699
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,119
for some different journals where collections of channels will write

700
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:15,320
and here we are. You know, twenty twenty three, what

701
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:19,639
are the messages. They're different than twenty twenty two, They're

702
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,599
different than So there's this progression of you know, the

703
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:31,159
shift and all of the big astrological markers. But what

704
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:37,360
is coming from the guides, even though we're having probably

705
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:44,239
different guide groups, is this consistency of messaging. I think

706
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,400
it's interesting about channeling because I used to joke that

707
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,119
it wasn't channeling unless it started with dear ones, because

708
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,440
that's a a RaSE they always use. But there is

709
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,840
this sense of affection, this sense of affection like you

710
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,800
and I would have for a puppy. Like the guides

711
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,800
are like so elevated, We're just like these cute puppils.

712
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,519
You're trying to help, yes, navies, so dear ones. But

713
00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:12,039
there's also this sense for a lot of channels like

714
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:17,039
this repetition, and I feel like that it's almost like

715
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:20,599
as you're reading it almost like a trance or a prayer,

716
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,519
or it allows the languaging itself, whether reading or read outloud,

717
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:29,360
allows the person to sink into a different dimension the

718
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,519
same way you would maybe when you're meditating. It takes

719
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:36,519
you to a place of understanding. And I find it

720
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:39,159
really useful, Like I read other people's work all the time,

721
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:43,719
and I just like sink into it just for the

722
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,079
joy of like that relaxation or that comfort or that

723
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,760
energy level that seems to come from it. And I

724
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,480
just find it fascinating that it's so consistent. People from

725
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:58,719
Africa will have Jesus, people from you know, it's like

726
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,239
different people from different cult so just will have crossing

727
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,719
over guides. And I find that fascinating too. I mean,

728
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,119
not just the guy that you were born with or whatever,

729
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:08,639
the guide from your own culture.

730
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,559
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. I mean you you read certain books and

731
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:15,880
the words have a vibration to them. Yeah, there's just

732
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,639
no question. I mean you pick up autobiography of a

733
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,360
Yogi and read for the first time. I mean, there's

734
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,480
the words just kind of vibrate off the page. It is,

735
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,320
it's amazing. And there's so many books like that that

736
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,800
they just have their own energy to them and when

737
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,199
you when you read them, you go to a different place.

738
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,119
I'd listen to a lot of audio books, and when

739
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:40,119
you listen to channeled works, you just start like you go,

740
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,239
you almost go into it, almost into a trance of

741
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,280
like it's like a meditative place that you kind of

742
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,840
go to where you're just in this place of understanding

743
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,519
because it's all just remembering we all know the truth.

744
00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:57,880
It's just reminding us of all the truth. And as

745
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,199
I think that we are now as society, as a

746
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,039
as a collective on this planet, are much more open

747
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:08,199
to this information and actually are searching for it. Hence

748
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,320
why your work is done as well as it has.

749
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:14,039
I can imagine from from two thousand and five to

750
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:18,599
twenty twenty three, the amount of change.

751
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 2: That's how oh my gosh.

752
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: And the acceptance of what you do must have been

753
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,840
astronomal Yeah.

754
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, yeah, And I'm so thrilled now with

755
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:34,840
these younger generations, millennial but more even gen z, how

756
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,360
they are completely tuned into all this stuff, like they're

757
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,599
just worn. Yeah, we're born with it, and that is

758
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:47,880
a sign that we're evolving. You know, our grandparents or

759
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,719
our parents or our generation or even you know, depending

760
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,719
what generation are. But you know, we got part of it.

761
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,320
But these ones coming in, it's just like, I don't

762
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,360
know if it's there, you know, this idea that people

763
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,480
are going to start remembering what they reincarnated from. I

764
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:09,480
think these new generations are coming in with more memory,

765
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:13,880
whereas we didn't have that. But it's pretty remarkable to

766
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,840
see this this oneness idea, like in the ecology, in

767
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,599
anti racism or genderism or sexism, is that they're just

768
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:25,920
coming in as oneness and that's pretty cool to see.

769
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, things that are happening today, there's an uproar

770
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,039
over you know, something in a race or a shooting

771
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,320
or injustice. There's uproars about that, where sixty years ago

772
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,320
it was business as usual. Yeah, absolutely business as usual.

773
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,719
And it's not only happening in race and in other

774
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,639
areas like that, but it's also happening in economics. It's

775
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:55,039
also happening, yes, everything science, It's happening in every aspect

776
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:59,760
of a human civilization. It's starting to people are like, no,

777
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,519
this doesn't make sense. So like, for one hundred years,

778
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:06,079
the concepts of quantum physics have basically been dormant a

779
00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:10,280
couple of little adjustments. But now even scientists in the field,

780
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,400
they're like, no, we're going to go into string theory.

781
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,159
We're going to we're going to do things that are

782
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:19,800
going to rock the boat that was up there before.

783
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,400
Where before they would just never would have happened. We

784
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:25,519
just never would have happened. A show like this doesn't

785
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:29,360
exist twenty years ago, just does it. It's very very difficult,

786
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:30,599
very very difficult.

787
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:35,679
Speaker 2: Well, no one was awake enough to understand the concepts,

788
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:39,719
even that the channel languaging well well, or even just

789
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,679
the bigger scope of what you know you do on

790
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,760
your show. It wasn't available to people. Even they might

791
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,800
have been able to listen, but they wouldn't have been

792
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,880
able to understand it. So yeah, so we're here, we

793
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,840
are now with some different ideas.

794
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,639
Speaker 1: Now, in one of your books, you mentioned the concept

795
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,679
of suffering and bliss are the same. Can you explain

796
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,760
that a little bit, because that's a difficult concept to

797
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,800
wrap your head around for most people.

798
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: I know, and it's just like it's a cause of

799
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,840
most people which want to reject right away. But yeah,

800
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,760
so that's one of the things about the channeling too,

801
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,880
is I get a lot of things. I'm like, my

802
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:20,679
ego self is like, ah nah, this, this can't be right,

803
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,079
and then I'll go in and ask again. But the

804
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:27,000
idea of suffering and bliss are the same, is about

805
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,159
one way to look at it as suffering is this

806
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,880
really like we talked earlier about this dark, silky place

807
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,480
of despair that going into the cave that's so comforting.

808
00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:42,679
You can just stay and you're suffering and be a victim,

809
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,760
or you just conquer down and stay. And this idea,

810
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,159
the bliss that they were talking about is more the

811
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,400
super elevated bliss you might get from adrenaline or doing

812
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,960
something really exciting or having something super wonderful happen, you know,

813
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:04,280
you get an award, or you do drugs or something,

814
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,000
you know, just some way of jumping up to this

815
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:10,360
high place. And they're just saying both of those are

816
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,760
sort of extremes, and the place you want to be

817
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,559
is it's like the Buddhist way, the more like the

818
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:18,599
middle way. You want to be in this place of

819
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:25,400
not going to either side because those are extreme states,

820
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,079
and that's where the ego starts to get involved. The

821
00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:33,440
ego in the souffron state goes into victim. The ego

822
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,199
into the bliss state goes into I'm so awesome.

823
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:43,039
Speaker 1: I'm the most spiritual, blissed out. I'm more spiritual than

824
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,559
Jesus put it together.

825
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,679
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, I'm the most blissed out. And so

826
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,480
we want to just we want to just stay in

827
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:54,039
a more place of like, hey, I'm a soul, I'm

828
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:57,480
part of collective soul. I'm putting my piece of the

829
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:03,239
puzzle in. I'm I attempt to be have humility, I

830
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,079
attempt to surrender whenever I can. I'm just a piece

831
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,760
of I'm a piece of the whole. I'm not the whole.

832
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: Big deal.

833
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: That's That's sort of what we're trying to figure out there.

834
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:16,079
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, if I may use an analogy,

835
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:20,320
it's kind of like eating junk food. You go to

836
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,360
the extreme of going to a fast food joint and

837
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,000
eating food that we know is not good, but it

838
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:28,519
tastes really good on the way in, and it feels

839
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,920
really comfortable, and it feels great, and you're like kind

840
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,360
of like being judgy or comparing yourself. It's very it's

841
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:42,440
a seductive but then the digestion kicks in and then

842
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,480
all of a sudden, you don't feel so good anymore.

843
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,480
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

844
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:56,119
and now back to the show, and you're like, oh,

845
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:58,039
that thing that I did earlier, it doesn't make me

846
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:02,719
feel good anymore. It's kind of the equivalence of going

847
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,280
having a you know, a big mac or a whopper.

848
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,400
You know, hey, anyone who's eating that knock yourselves out.

849
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,559
And I'm not saying it, but you're having you know,

850
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,440
indulgent fast food that's probably not the best for you,

851
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,239
and or having a healthy meal that might not have

852
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:24,559
the addictive equivalence of a cheesecake. But you know, in

853
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:27,039
about an hour, you're not only going to feel good,

854
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:30,519
you're going to feel great. Does that make sense? Is

855
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:30,920
that fair?

856
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yes, except for id add on the other side.

857
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,039
So we put the junk food on the suffering side,

858
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:41,320
maybe we'll put on the bliss side, the super restricted,

859
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:47,079
very specific healthy diet that you know, I'm the most healthiest,

860
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:53,079
absolutely perfect, Yes, yes, yes, right, and so the universe

861
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:57,400
is like, hey, just relax, be grateful you have something

862
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:02,079
to eat. A lot of people don't relax, be nice

863
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:04,800
to each other, Maybe give your food away to someone else.

864
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,559
You know. It's like this middle road of let's just

865
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:09,840
a way to either of those.

866
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:15,079
Speaker 1: That's that's this wonderful way of putting it. We've talked

867
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:19,239
a little bit about a meaning and that we're here

868
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,079
for a purpose. So many of us struggle with that

869
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,079
of finding that. Like we were talking about the chick

870
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:27,559
lit and me talking about you know, Spielberg and being

871
00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:33,400
a filmmaker. How do you discover why you're here? And again,

872
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,880
it doesn't have to be grand. So many people think,

873
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,960
like I have this grant, you know, I'm going to

874
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:41,519
be you know, save millions of lives. Like you could

875
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:44,920
be someone who just takes care of your family, yeah,

876
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,559
male or female, or you could just you know, write

877
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:50,719
the one book, or you could just help your local community.

878
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,840
But how do we find that thing that really gives

879
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,199
us the thing that we are here to do.

880
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,199
Speaker 2: I think that's such a good question, especially since a

881
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,760
lot of the people talking about finding purpose are the

882
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,960
authors or the podcasters or the teachers. And then everyone thinks, well,

883
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,519
I have to be an author or podcast or a teacher,

884
00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:16,159
and it's like, no, if the world was made up

885
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:20,400
of those, right, we would never get our plumbing fixed

886
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:25,639
or we would never get our food cooked. And I

887
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:30,079
think for me, for me, it's pretty easy because my

888
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:37,199
skill set is pretty specific to writing and talking and

889
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:41,000
doing psychic work. But I can't do the rest of it.

890
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:46,599
Like I can't do cooking, I can't do so I

891
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:48,840
can do. I'm like, I'll just do my skill set

892
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,119
because that's all I got. Other people are much more gifted,

893
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:55,719
like they have like lots of gifts. But I think

894
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,880
it's really what you were doing when you were little.

895
00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:04,840
You probably like I was. I was reading religion books

896
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,719
when I was six, you know, I was talking to

897
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,679
plants and dead people when I was six, Like I

898
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,079
was just always doing this. So whatever you've been doing

899
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:16,599
a long time, and then whatever, it gives you that

900
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:21,119
feeling of just super contributing, Like where can where can

901
00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:24,920
I contribute the most? And that could be look at

902
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,960
the world, look at all the things for me that

903
00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:30,840
could be anywhere. So I don't think that there's a

904
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,199
specific path people have to take. Sometimes when I work

905
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:40,559
with people reading, One of my questions is what are

906
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:45,239
your favorite spiritual practices that you do regularly? And they'll

907
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,159
usually say I meditate, and I'm like, okay, throw that

908
00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:48,599
one out.

909
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:50,119
Speaker 1: What else?

910
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: And what I'm looking for is I like to ride

911
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,599
my bike, or I like to play with my dog,

912
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,440
or I love teaching the kids at the neighborhood school

913
00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:01,639
to read. I'm looking for that saying that is their

914
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:09,320
specific like heart opening piece that gives them joy. And

915
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,039
that's usually where this purpose is. It lies somewhere in

916
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:18,599
that center where that hurts, that heart opening pieces for

917
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:19,320
most people.

918
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: And would you agree that not everyone's purpose is going

919
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:24,880
to be the main way they make money.

920
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:27,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure.

921
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: That's another misnomer that everyone thinks that just because I

922
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:32,760
want to sing and I was put on this earth

923
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,719
to sing, that you're going to make a living doing that,

924
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:39,079
And there's nothing wrong. You could be a plumber and

925
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:42,079
sing on the weekends and you get to sure do that,

926
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:45,039
and that's the ego doesn't like that. If I'm going

927
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:47,440
to sing, I'm going to be whitn Houston. I'm going

928
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,719
to be Mariah Carey. I'm gonna win. America's got talent.

929
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,639
I'm going to go do that, and there are people

930
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:57,000
who do that, but most singers on the planet don't

931
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,079
make a living doing it. You know, those writers don't

932
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:02,920
make a living doing it, that's for sure.

933
00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:07,039
Speaker 2: I even think that that's a part of our cultural

934
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:10,719
misbelief the last couple generations that sort of come about

935
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,360
from Internet having an exposure to a lot of people

936
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,519
that are. But I don't think. I don't even think

937
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:21,599
thirty or forty years ago that that belief was. I mean,

938
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:24,519
most people were like, I work for a company or

939
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,719
I work at home, and then I have like, we

940
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,880
had this thing back then called hobbies where people found

941
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,960
their truth. They're true, you know, so like like and

942
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,400
that was their joy, was their hobby. So I think

943
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,199
that's valid. I think I don't have to monetize. Yeah,

944
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:43,639
we don't have to monetize.

945
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Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be nice if you could do what

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you love and get paid to do it. But that

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doesn't necessarily always line up. And it's not a lack

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of it's not trying to crush a dream. It's just

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it's just not it might not be in the path

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for you. And I love that you brought back hobbies

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because I remember hobby. I remember hobbies, like that was

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the thing. There's a hobby, there's hobby stores, like, oh,

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you know, I knit on the weekends. I don't need

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to have a multi billion dollar knitting company, but I

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just like to knit on the weekends. Or I like

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to you know, I like to write, or I like

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to paint, or I like to do things for my

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own soul's purpose, just to get it out. And it

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doesn't have to be this grandiose thing. But I think

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the internet, especially in the West, especially in the US,

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that everything is kind of amped up on steroids, if

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you will, Like, if you paint, you've got to be Picasso.

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If you're right, you've got to be Stephen King, you know,

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like you have to it's always the big. But that's

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not the case because and again from where I come from,

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in the film industry, everybody wants to be Spielberg. But

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there's there's probably two hundred, to let's say a best

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case scenario, one thousand filmmakers in the studio system, and

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you're talking about millions of people from around the world

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who are trying to do that. The math doesn't add up,

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and you know, it's.

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Speaker 2: Kind of funny because I just had this thought and

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this is may or may. This may be totally untrue,

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but you know, Spielberg's probably sitting there right now, going darn,

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I wish I could go work on my woodworking hobby

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in the basement. Like He's just like, this is too

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much pressure, So I want to go do woodworking.

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Speaker 1: So you know what's funny is that because I know

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I've spoken to in my other shows, I've interviewed a

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lot of these people. I haven't spoken to Spielberg yet,

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but I'm hoping. But I spoke to someone who is

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an Oscar winner who worked with Ridley Scott, really Scott,

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you know, who's a world famous director who did Gladiator

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in a million other films. What he does he paints

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between movies. He is a painter. He loves to paint.

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Is he making a living office painting? No, but that's

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his outlet when he's not directing. And he really is

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probably one of the most prolific filmmakers of all time.

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He just never stops. He's like eighty I think at

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this point. But most filmmakers only get to do their

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art for thirty to fifty days every two years. You

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know what I mean the rest of the time, it's.

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Speaker 2: Got to have the other life right, right, And.

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Speaker 1: Most of the time is building up to get the

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thing made and then finishing it off and then promoting it,

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and then that's two years. But the actual art of

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doing it is best case scenario thirty to sixty days.

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If you're a Spielberg, maybe longer, but that's general schedule

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for film. It's not a lot of time. So that's

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an example of someone who's a great artist, but his

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other art it's not paying his bills. He probably sells

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them because he's famous, but generally speaking, that's not what

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he does. So it's just just an example of a

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small example of that what you might love to do

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is not what you're able to And some.

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Speaker 2: People also, you know this idea of we have little

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patches of soul of our life's work, you know, we

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might not do the same thing. Like you know, someone

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might do something and then they do something else. And

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then some people are just naturally very much they have

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their their fingers in a lot of different pies all

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the time, and that's perfect for them, like they don't

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need to feel there's something wrong because they don't have

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the big purpose it's like, just be in your experience.

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It's totally fine to be in your experience and enjoy

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your participation in the earth.

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Speaker 1: On the earth a men's sister. Yeah, Now I'm going

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to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests,

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what is your definition of living a good life?

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Speaker 2: Living a good life is participating at the best level

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you can that day.

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Speaker 1: I suppose good answer. What is your definition of.

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Speaker 2: God my vast oneness?

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Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

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Speaker 2: I'll defer to the channeling. It's the purpose of life

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is soul growth.

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Speaker 1: And where can people find out more about you and

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the work that you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they can find out about me at Sarah Wiseman

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dot com And I do have I think I can

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have a free mini course for those who want to

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explore intuition. It's called the Magic of blind Reading, and

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it takes you through a process of you answer the

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question before you know what the question is. So it's

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pretty fun to try that out.

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Speaker 1: And do you have any parting words for our audience?

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Speaker 2: You know, this is an amazing time, and I think

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supporting each other in all the ways we can is

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really the way to go because we're not really separate.

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We're just one big blob of collective soul, so we

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might as well start acting like that.

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Speaker 1: Sarah, thank you so much for for your not only

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coming on the show, but for the work that you're

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doing to help awaken the world. So I appreciate you, my.

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Speaker 2: Dear, oh my pleasure. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.

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