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to the hotline. Welcome in former BYU great one of
the best linebackers in BYU football history. We got d Nicks,
my teammate, David Nixon on the line. David, how that
are you?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: Benjamin Cridl, how you doing, buddy?
Speaker 3: Living the dream?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: Living the dream all as well?
Speaker 2: In Cougar Country, By's going to the pop Tarts ball
man ranked a pone it in a bowl game. We've
We've experienced a lot of great bowl games in BAU
football history. Not a lot of them have been against
ranked opponents. What does it mean to play a ranked opponent?
At the end of the year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it validates the season that you've had,
shows that obviously if you're playing a ranked opponent, means
that you've probably had a good season yourself and gives
you one more opportunity to go out there to improve yourself.
It's unfortunate that it's kind of ended in the bowl
game that you used in versus a playoff, but you know,
it is what it is. It's just another opportunity. And
listen to football players, it's unlike basketball or baseball. You
only have twelve thirteen opportunities this year obviously, fourteen opportunities
to go out there and play a game that you love.
And so for me, it's always like, hey, bowl game,
this is I sent a cake. That's one more chance
to go out there and compete, and one more opportunity
to go show that you're an absolute stud and trying
to make a case for yourself going into the NFL potentially,
and of course try to end the season an uptick
and on a good note and get ready for the
next year.
Speaker 2: How does a win or a loss, the outcome of
the Bowl game this year versus Georgia Tech impact your
opinion of the twenty twenty five football team at BUYU
added season.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't think any will ever I lost
to not take away the season this Pleas team has had.
I mean, this season that goes down in history is
one of the top seasons I think ever given the schedule,
what Deley's able to do. I think it was really
impressive to see how BYU coming off what happened last
year where all they had to do is win one
of those last few games and they ended up dropping
Arizona State and they no longer control their own destiny.
They were basically the same situation this year, and the
fact that they came through they were able to hold
strong and dde Iowa State and TCU and finish strong
and get to the championship game. I mean, that's that's
really impressive and it shows kind of step in the
right direction that Klone took his team. So nothing will
take away this season this Billy team has put together.
But of course win always is the cherry on top,
and it kind of kind of pulls you into the
offseason and get you ready for you know, set you
on the right mood and right track. And if there's
anything we've learned from the last few years is you've
gotta find a way to be three season ranked. You've
gotta find a way to be the top twenty, so
you can, you know, climb your way up through that
top ten faster than if you're underranked. And that's what
the team has had an issue with, and it's it's
kind of playing from behind as they try to make
their way up in that top ten, top eight and
give you a little bit more grace when it comes
to losing a game down the road because you only
drop thet Hugh spots versus b you're kind of dropping
out of that top twelve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's really intriguing to me how how Couler
Nation collectively is gonna view this game if b YU loses, How.
Speaker 3: Do they feel about this season? I mean they were
knocking on the door.
Speaker 2: They in the minds of bou fans, and I think, yeah,
I feel the same way. Bo A is not an
elite team yet, right, you'd agree that they're not elite team.
They're a great team though, I'd put them, you know,
in that if they're not a top five team in
the country, they're probably in between that like to sixteen ranked,
which that is that where you put them, and they
can compete and beat those teams in that six to
sixteen realm.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. And I think I think, Listen,
this new team can compete with anybody if they played
perfect football. And that was a problem with Texas Tech
both loss of this year, they by no means played
perfect football. Your negative to turnover both games, and nobody
just made play Listen, defensively didn't create any turnovers either,
and so you know, this was a you know, if
you want to play with the top teams in the country,
you've got to play really good football, and boy, you didn't.
And that's what it comes down to. They they just
didn't play their best against the top of punt that
they needed to. And I think that's what the committee saw,
and I don't agree with them, but I can certainly
understand the rationale and kind of their quote unquote eye test.
Boy wasn't competitive in any of those games. And yet
if you watch the whole games, see Buoy's competitive. You know,
a halftime, the score was really close, but ultimately they
couldn't close out the game and finish and and you
know that's I think that's what I got talalized ultimately.
But but once again, I I think what they did
this year, especially with a freshman quarterback, and what Aaron
Rodgers was able to do to to kind of great
for him and the guys stets up all around him.
It was just an incredible effort. Credit goes to Clawney
coaching staff, certainly the players, but to take the situation
they were handed was so late in the season as well, right,
I mean, it's different if it's everything with Jake Retzloff
went down in January, so they had all spring ball,
had all summer workouts to all kind of get on
the same page. But this happened so late in the
year that they're to scramble the way they did and
to have the record the way they did. I mean,
I'm telling you, it's super impressive.
Speaker 3: What's sorry, ap, What do you got for me?
Speaker 5: So it's become pretty clear to me that over the
past past few years, there's a gap between elite teams
and great teams, and sometimes that gap can be pretty big.
To the tune of twenty nine to seven loss, Right,
what does b YU need to do in the offseason
to close that gap as a program?
Speaker 4: You know, I went back and watched the All twenty
two film on the first loss against Texas Tech. And
then you know, I've obviously watched the game and the
big teal Teriya Sho. Haven't watched the film, QUI you
have that one. But here's the thing. Deally is not
getting dominating the trenches. It's not like we're outmanned against
the against Texas Tech. Yeah, they got some better athletes
to serve positions. I think definitely, Texas Tech defense is elite,
and our offense, you know, always often struggled to move
the ball and and kind of sustained your eyes. But
if I wouldn't say us all of a Sud's got
scrapped their whole program and start from scratch and go
get different dudes. Gili had the dudes. I think a
lot of it was just pure execution. And yeah, Move
was a young quarterback. I mean, Bear gets hurt in
that Texas Tech game and it changed the whole game plan.
I mean it's from a defensive guys, if I see
a quarterback limp and the way Bear was limping, but yeah,
I'm not going to respect his own reads. I'm not
going to respect Bear as a runner. And it changes
the whole game plan. Now you're just sitting Duck in
that pocket. I'm gonna come after him, right, And that's
exactly what Texas Tech did, And so both games are
just different. I think the all the first game against
Texas Tech, Bear on the road, big twelve environment gained it.
I think all just kind of got to him. Frankly,
I mean that that's kind of the first game. You
saw Bear get rattled. He took a hit early in
night game. If you remember, he tried to leap over
one of the Texas Tech defenders and they just absolutely
bodies slammed into the ground. He wasn't the same after that,
and I think I think some of that carried throughout
that first loss and the second loss, you know, after
he gets hurt, is a different ballgame too. And I
mean that's since the game of football, right, quarterback ruled everything.
So if your quarterback's not dial dialed in it, it's
gonna be a long day. But you know, I think
Ba can be with Texas Tech. I didn't think I
can be, honestly with anybody in the country, especially with
the defense the bill he had. As we've seen Bauties,
he just can keep him in any game. What Bou's
defense did not do, like I said, is create turnovers.
And and if if your offense is struggling the way
the Buy's offense was struggling against this elite Texas Tech defense, defensively,
you've got to go out through and create some opportunities
and you've got great short fields and you got great
pods and situations for your offense to try to get
some points on the board. And candidly, the buoy deffense
didn't do that. And I know it's tough to do
against a team like Texas Tech that takes care of
the ball, but you know that that's on the BOE
d to to step up and make some plays. And
like I said, both games against Sextion Tech, nobody really
made those game breaking plays, right, And and that's the
difference between a team kind of being where BA is
and was versus a team that's being elite. I mean,
look look at Texas Tech and what ro Rodriguez did
and the other linebacker I'm blanking at his name that
had two picks against the BAU in the championship game.
Those dudes stepped up and made plays like That's as
simple as that and you just got somebody got to
step up and make a play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Roberts was a baller in that game.
Speaker 2: We weren't even we weren't even uh, you know, talking
about him leading up to that, that that particular game,
we're worried about Jacob Rodrigus. That instead, Roberts just completely
took over that game defensively.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this.
Speaker 2: The d Knicks a lot of b YU fans right
after that second Texas Tech game, they said, Ben, why
aren't we pushing the ball down field? Why do you
think a Rod was hesitant maybe pushed the ball downfield
or maybe you know, maybe there were routes run. If
you check the all twenty two, Bear just wasn't pushing
it downfield.
Speaker 3: What was the story there, do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think it was a combination of just texted
text front four. Really, the pass rush is you know,
tough to contain, so I think thea you had to
keep extra blockers in. I joked that, hey, just stretch
it down field and maybe we'll get a past their apference.
That could be one of your biggest plays of the game.
And sure enough, the what you drew one late in
the game on a past interference, so you know, I'm
not sure what it was. I agree, you've got to
stretch the defense, especially as as a depent guy. When
the team starts trying to bottle at the top, Now
your drops become a little bit deeper, and now that
opens up the shorts intermediate rows as well, right, And
I think that's something. As bar matures, he'll get more
use of dropping it down to his checkdowns and just
being a little more decisive. Like when you go back
from watching the film, there are certain windows that he
should be getting the ball out in that first window.
Instead he waited an extra count and got it out
in the second window, and a lot of times he
completed it. But as he mature, grow, so get it
out sooner and and uh, you know that opens up
and allows more big plays to occur. But you know,
I think everyone's frustrated with the lot of throwing the
fall down the field. I don't know the extent of
his injury, whether you know, on that front foot, if
he felt comfortable enough or not, of pushing off on
that front foot and trying to push the fall downfield
in the championship game, but it was kind of the
same thing that happened in the first game. Like you said,
the passing game was almost non existent, which, uh, you know,
if you're one dimensional, it's and it makes it makes
it pretty tough.
Speaker 3: What do you like about this BYU football team this year?
Speaker 2: Where do you maybe rank it amongst the best BYU
teams and BOAU football history.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's gonna be out there. I don't know
where it brings exactly, but you look at this defense,
like I allude to earlier, they only give up nineteen
points a game. I mean that's that's elite, that's it,
and that's a big twelve play, right, I mean that's goods,
good competition. I think this team and what's going to
deal with the cards that were dealt. I look at L. J. Martin,
the way he stepped up, uh, and you know with
with the young quarterback Frankton. I think the way the
Bear performed from for the beast majority of the season,
the way the Bear was able to take care of
the ball, right, it was really impressive. He ended the
season regular season. I know we obviously there's a bowl game,
but fourteen touchdowns, only six interceptions, you know, sixty four
percent completion percentage, like that's sixty plus from a freshman.
I mean, that's that's all you can really ask for, right,
And then of course the way he was able to
kind of be teams with his legs. You know. I
I just loved kind of how this whole season came together.
And once again, for me, the biggest takeaway is the
ability that for BIL you to finish right, and that's
something they failed to do last year. They go back
in the offseason, all the juniors that are now seniors
noted how painful that was that. You know, they at
one point last year they control their own destiny, and
they faltered. They slipped during the you know, during the
home stretch. But this year, after losing to Texas Tech,
they smacked TCU. They go on the road to Cincinnati,
you know, beat him handily, and you come home, you
smack UCS like they took care of business. And and
and that's that's the step in the right direction. Now,
obviously the next progression is to get back to to
your ship game next year and you win at this time, right,
So it's kind of baby steps, but I just I'm
just impressed with this team. Kind of, like I said,
the steps they made in the right direction of taking
care of business and finishing the season strong and showing
that they're listen there, they're they're forced to be wreckfled with.
You look at the b YU and you look at
the Attorney starters. I look at that secondary. I mean
the return almost ever been that secondary except for Tanner Wall,
you know, uh, defensive line obitio. See who decides to
come back and what pieces they can add there. Some
of those young guys, I'll see the Atana and Nusutama
Pale super impressive. There's just a lot of pieces to
this boy team that You're gonna be returning a lot
of dudes next year, and I'm sure there'll add some
more guys in the portal. But I think that's what
gets me most excited move forward is its Colonie has
built and savage this culture uh and and you just
kind of keep plugging guys in and the older guys,
the veteran guys are coaching up to younger guys, and
it becomes kind of this culture of uh. You know.
CALLI says, I love and learn right, and I think
that's true. I think these guys are learning from one
another and the results are paying off. On the field,
I mean eleven and two. That's man, what a fun season.
It's incredible they were able to kind of right off
what they did against the competition that they did.
Speaker 2: David Nixon, former b y, you're great talking to BYU
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As far as you know, you look at this BYU
team at the beginning of the year, Jake Redslove leaves right,
and there's some question marks around the offense and who's
gonna lead it.
Speaker 3: Uh. Jakins up at Tulane and then leads his team
to the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 2: Uh. BYU's on the outside looking in now, back to
back years.
Speaker 3: Pretty crazy? How dat?
Speaker 2: I'm super happy for Jake, obviously wish him nothing but
the best. But it makes you wonder. And we've had
this debate on the show. Do you think BYU is
better with Jake? You look at what he did at Tulane.
You look at his stats, right, I don't know if
his supporting cast is as strong.
Speaker 3: The resources said.
Speaker 2: Do you think by you would have been better off
with Jake or with Bear this year, remember Bear, we
took care of the ball, ran the ball extremely well.
Speaker 3: Statistically, they kind of look.
Speaker 2: Similar this year in many ways, not a whole lot
of difference there.
Speaker 3: What do you make of that?
Speaker 4: No, it's a good question. I mean we know that
you kind of lived and died by Jake, right. He
was a gunslinger, which was fun to watch, but also,
as we remember from the Kansas game and Oklahoma a
couple of years prior, like you can also bite you
with his gun slinging. And I think that was that
was the one thing with Bear coming this season. I
think Aaron just said, listen, we're not gonna air it out,
We're not gonna go crazy to play, but we're gonna
do a lot of play action. We're gonna run the ball,
We're gonna do a lot of play action out to
play action. We'll have a couple guys run some routes
and we're gonna make really reade, really easy throws for you.
And he made those throws, right, He made it. When
they had the count, he stepped up in the pocket
a louted pass rushes and Barret Bachmayer delivered. Jake was
was just he was a different type of player. He
also keep beat with his legs clearly, but he also
you know, he made some spectator throws. We also put
in some tough situations, right, I mean, you look at
his numbers. You've probably broken this down before as well.
But he also had fourteen touchdowns six interceptions with Helene,
so some pretty comfortable numbers to to what Bear had.
And I'm trying to try to look at this. It
looks like Barre at twenty seven hundred passing yards and
Jake had yeah, twenty eight secy two, like not super
far off, right, it boasted with the same touchdown intertation ratio.
I don't know. Jake was a gamer. I love, I
loved how he competed. But I think we all can
you know, I think we all agree that there were
times where he would drop back. We all kind of
held our breas like, oh boy, but what's gonna happen here?
And a couple of times he escaped the pocket he
would try to fourth of all and you know, and
put the defensive of und But I don't know, this
is a good question. I just always kind of laugh.
How you know, Ben, you and I we played in
the Mountains Conference days, and how we just dreamed of
having access to, you know, the playoffs and having a
chance to go win a national title. And here we go,
we get in the Big twelve. And now looking back,
this Juwie football team would have been in a better
spot to have been in the Mountain West probably and
make the playoffs and they are in the Big twelve.
So that's the kind of irony here, but you know,
it is what it is.
Speaker 3: Well, let me piggyback off of that too.
Speaker 2: So as soon as b why you got into the
power structure, right, the power conference structure as an institution,
Now this is a good thing and a bad thing
to a degree. I asked Tom Homo this question as well.
With this fact, so as soon as they got in
to a p FORO conference, all of a sudden, you know,
revshare was implemented. So meaning the twenty million that you
got from the team deal that was supposed to then
help with buildings, organizational design, maybe more FTEs, more you know, employees,
you know, more personnel, right for all of us Red
Group guys that need a little bit more mentorship, all
those things, right, you just took it away, man, and
then you give it to the players. So it's great
you give it to the players, right, but you like,
Utah's got a thirteen year head start of that twenty
thirty forty million from an organizational design standpoint.
Speaker 3: You know how much twenty thirty forty million can do
for your.
Speaker 2: Business as you invested in personnel and technology and buildings
and infrastructure, you know, in your own industry.
Speaker 3: And so it's kind of like it's.
Speaker 2: Very ironic that that happened right as by you got in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's it's a little bit of unfortunate that case.
I mean, here's the thing. Creds a BYU listen, creigs
a BOE boosters, and probably some people listening like BYU
stands just stepped up and I go, I go back
to the side of the way to there keep Klannie
here and uh you know how that was booster driven
as far as coming up with the funds and poor
name with with the administration and keeping him here. I mean,
uh that Billy isn't a good spot. And not only
from Kilannie and the coaching staff and the players, but
from the support. And you look at you know, Bill
you selling out every game and and and the support
they've had, and you look at the booster money coming
through for an Il, and and also to help with Klannie,
Like you put all that together and and and Billie football,
I don't think it's ever been in a better spot, right,
I mean, yeah, yeah, bill You've kind of got the
shaft this year. I think we'd all agree with getting
the playoffs and and it's something that you know, where
we did control our DestinE. We didn't win the championship game.
But all in all, like the trajectory and the outlook
moving forward for Bulli football, I don't think it could
be any better. Candidly, I mean, I think with keep
locking in Kilannie, keeping a staff pretty much in tact,
and who knows, maybe there might be one or two
guys after the season's over, after this bowl game's over
they decided to move on and take promotions. We will see.
But all in all, I mean, it's kind of a
miracle that that client has been able to keep this
stack together for as long as he has. And I
think that speaks volumes to Klanie and what he's built.
I think it speaks volume to us fans of our support.
I think the coaches stilled that support, they appreciate that support,
and I think, like I said, everything's just moving the
right direction. I think players fill that support, right. I
think players realize it's a special place to place to
play and they want to play here. And I don't know,
I mean, they haven't been two over the top optio missing.
I just think that buy football is and one of
the best spots it ever had been. And you know,
hopefully from here you just keep building on these eleven
two type seasons and go go get a bowl game, win,
and go twelve and two and he build on that,
bring back a lot of guys and start preseason ranked
and just work your way up from there.
Speaker 2: You're in the real estate world, do you you you
rubbed shoulders a lot of big business finance, private equity
VC guys. What do you make of you getting into
the private equity game picking on an flex of cash
five hundred milih.
Speaker 3: The impact there?
Speaker 2: I don't know if the government's going to let it happen,
I'll be honest, I don't know, but it could happen.
Speaker 3: What do you make of it?
Speaker 4: Nix, We'll see. I'm really really curious to see what
the details of that deal are, right, I mean, is
it a drawdown over ten years, five years is a
media capital infusion up front? Like what what what are
the terms of that partnership looks like exactly? And then
and then yeah, we all know companies that have had
private equity invest in them, and a lot of times
there's those guys are sharks, so they want to return, right,
and so what what happens when when you're not quite
getting a return that you uh, that you promised, well,
you start trimming the fat. So I don't know, it's
that's gonna be a really interesting one to play out.
And obviously it's the perst of it's kind as it
had been kind of stated. So they're more or less
pioneers in that world. But yeah, we'll see if if
if the government steps in and shut it down or
what happens there. But you know, good, that's a lot
to be I think they've got more problems than just that.
And those guys are trying to figure out what Morgan
Scully coming out and being the head coach, which I mean,
I know Morgan person guy, you know, but they've gotta
he's got a lot of pressure on him to go
fill in those the shoes of Kyle Whittingham, like that's
a lot of pressure to follow you to see kind
of what happens up there and in Salt Lake. But uh,
that's what I'm saying. I think I think U y
U is in a a good spot. And you know,
one thing we haven't touch about is what happens with Kyle. Obviously,
it sounds like his name is getting rumored in other
head coaching searches. And what happens is he takes a job,
is he all of a sudden takes some you know,
Jason Beck with him, and he kind of takes some
of their staff, and there's some and some of their players.
I mean, we'll we'll see. I I don't it's pretty
clear he wasn't done coaching from kind of how everything
was handled. So uh, I think the next thing we
should be pretty telling and pretty interesting for for the
use up there on what happens with Kyle and what
happens with that programs.
Speaker 3: No doubt about it.
Speaker 2: D Nick's best way to support you what you do,
how you do it. I know you're in the real
estate world, so if those that are listening to want
to align with you, they're looking for commercial real estate
investment opportunities.
Speaker 3: Uh, lease opportunities. What what what can they do to
get hold of you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, reach out on LinkedIn or Twitter, but I still
called Twitter, X, reach out on X you know whatever.
I think my dams are open. I don't know how
that all works, but yeah, feel pretty reach out. Love
to help you. But in the meantime, I'm excited for
the JA football teams. Next week will be I think
it's a great way to finish. And can we talk
about I mean, I haven't seen any but this whole now?
Have there beeny holdouts per se yet? Have you seen
that happen?
Speaker 3: You say, for for Byu and he you talking about
for Brigham? Nothing yet. The only concern I think right
now is LJ.
Speaker 2: Martin because he's going through the uh the pre draft
process and the grating process.
Speaker 3: Uh so that hasn't occurred just yet. Uh. But yeah,
give me a little prediction projection.
Speaker 2: Do you think LJ? I mean, do you think he's
a Day two guy? Is he a Day two NFL
draft pick? And if he is, does he if you
were his brother, you were his father, you were his agent,
you know what I mean, what would you be telling him?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's pretty tough to follow up but he
LJ did this year right, thirteen hundred rushing yards. He
who's banged up a little bit, but he ever signed
a half yards to carry. Like as much as I'm
I want to be selfish and has him come back
to another year like it's there was a pre dominant
performance he had throughout the season, you know, And I
guess the pitch would be, hey, you got there back
for another year, so you've got you know, he's not
got one year ange his belt. You guys get dynamic duo.
But you know, I think for al Jason come down
to kind of what he runs in that forty times
and and you know, I think that that will be
pre telling of what day he gets drafted, whether he's
a Day two or Day three type kid. But you know,
he's the NFL time running back. He's a bruiser. I mean,
look what Tyler o Jeer has done. He's not that
feature back per say, and I don't know if l
J will quite be a feature back in the at
the next level, but he's a bruiser. He's gonna get
you those couple of those couple of yards you need.
I mean, there's a spot for him on an NFL
roster for sure, but you know, well we'll see. I mean,
I for him, I guess said it'd be stuff. Come
back and you know, have a better season. I think
that he's had otherwise, other than the fact that he
probably can hopefully stay healthy and just be abtle healthier.
But I don't know, maybe it's just what happened to him.
I'm just more impressed with the fact that there's not
really any holdouts for Bye's football team. I mean this
typically you have a whole bunch of older guys that
are often for the draft. And the fact that clients
able to you know, Jay Hill and and Rodbert can
be able to convince their guys all go out there
and play one last time. I mean, I think that
speaks a lot to this really football culture as well, right,
I mean, I think it's more about the team and
not about the individuals. And I'm pretty impressed with all
the guys buying in and being all the sacrifice for
buy a little bit, even though as we know, this
bowl game is kind of meanless when it comes down
to you know, wreckers per se. But I think if
there's a lot of pride on the line, and I said,
I think the culture self clients is still dead and
the guys the type of guy that bought in and
will to go out there and do one more time.
I think that speaks volumes about where this team is at.
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