Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to GameSpot after Dark.
Speaker 2: Our next gen console reviewers Michael Him and Matt paget
Speaker 2: put an end to the console wars with.
Speaker 1: A good old fashioned debate.
Speaker 2: Stick around for the second half when GameSpot community members
Speaker 2: Jacob McCourt, Ian Preshilt, and Fogey Bear joined me to
Speaker 2: weigh in on who they think won this debate. If
Speaker 2: you want to check out some of their work, see
Speaker 2: the description down below. Hello and welcome to episode sixty
Speaker 2: seven of GameSpot After Dark. This is a special episode
Speaker 2: because both the new consoles are out now. Hopefully if
Speaker 2: you're listening, you're able to get one. If you're like
Speaker 2: me in order from Target, you probably don't have it
Speaker 2: yet because you don't have your PS five yet because
Speaker 2: Target's useless. But anyway, Joining me this week is Lucy James. Hello,
Speaker 2: Ours five reviewer Matt Paget Hey, and our Xbox reviewer Michaelsoft.
Speaker 3: Hi.
Speaker 1: What up?
Speaker 4: Hey, that's a That's why they got me on the case, man,
Speaker 4: I know I know all about that.
Speaker 2: Microsoft already bought you, uh and I'm just kidna kick
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 4: Don't look like it.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: This is a special episode because both of you have
Speaker 2: reviewed the new consoles and we are going to dig
Speaker 2: right into them.
Speaker 5: And you guys have the new consoles. And Jake and
Speaker 5: Lucy were there too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're here to actually how you see.
Speaker 2: And I have a very important job though, because Lucy
Speaker 2: and I are going to be moderating the first and
Speaker 2: last console debate of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: I have gathered a list.
Speaker 2: Of topics hell yeah, that we are going to talk about.
Speaker 2: I'm going to time each of you, I don't know
Speaker 2: how long, and you're going to get a chance to
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 3: Each of these.
Speaker 4: Y'all tell us about this.
Speaker 1: Nope, that's a surprise.
Speaker 6: Wait wait wait is there a mute button? Or can
Speaker 6: I talk over Michael the entire time?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Wait, wait wait, Jake, do you have mute abilities?
Speaker 2: I do, I might mind, I can only meet myself.
Speaker 1: Don't mute us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're not We're not fucking idiots who knock over
Speaker 6: our opponent and make an embarrassment out of our goddamn country.
Speaker 4: I mean, we'll let Jake and Lucy be the judge
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we have nine topics here that we're gonna
Speaker 2: go over. We're going to do each one and when
Speaker 2: we're done. I am going to meet with a handful
Speaker 2: of judges I've selected and they're going to listen back.
Speaker 5: I don't know who these judges are, by the.
Speaker 2: Way, and they'll determine who the winner is. I can
Speaker 2: tell you, Lucy, I just don't want to tell these
Speaker 2: two because they might try to pay them off or something.
Speaker 7: Wow, Wow, blessing.
Speaker 4: Matt and I are not the people to be paying
Speaker 4: off people because we are at the bottom of the barrel,
Speaker 4: you know the vibes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, we couldn't even pay for our consoles. We
Speaker 6: had facts, we had to review them to get them.
Speaker 1: So there. But anyway, you guys ready.
Speaker 4: Sure, let's let's fucking get it.
Speaker 2: Was the timing, so I feel like I'm going to
Speaker 2: give you each a minute to talk about the topic
Speaker 2: of your on your console, and then afterward you'll each
Speaker 2: get thirty seconds to do a bit of a rebuttal like,
Speaker 2: for instance, if you think the Xbox controller isn't as
Speaker 2: cool as the PS five controller or whatever, then you
Speaker 2: can talk about that. But when you're when it's your point,
Speaker 2: when it's your turn, try not to try not to
Speaker 2: belittle the the other console.
Speaker 1: If you can help it.
Speaker 4: No promises.
Speaker 1: The first one we have here is console design.
Speaker 5: You're gonna flip a coin to see who go.
Speaker 3: Coin?
Speaker 2: Uh, how about how about PlayStation Matt goes first because
Speaker 2: P comes before X in the.
Speaker 6: All right, okay, absolutely, all right, good, A lot of
Speaker 6: thought put into this, Jake, Oh okay, now I can
Speaker 6: go all right. Well, the PlayStation five's design is pretty crazy.
Speaker 6: It's it's like the most unplaystation looking PlayStation since the
Speaker 6: original PlayStation. I guess because after the original PlayStation, they
Speaker 6: all looked exactly the same. They were all black plastic
Speaker 6: with a PlayStation logo on them, and and honestly, like I,
Speaker 6: I hated the pet the p S five design when
Speaker 6: it was first revealed. I thought it looked stupid and
Speaker 6: that it looked dumb right up until it came to
Speaker 6: my house and I opened it up. I said, oh,
Speaker 6: this looks a lot better in person. It has like
Speaker 6: matte white plastic with a nice like it's it's like
Speaker 6: a black gloss sandwich with two pieces of matte white bread,
Speaker 6: and it looks great when standing up its side. It
Speaker 6: looks kind of stupid because it's kind of isn't as
Speaker 6: sturdy as you have. But but standing up ending vertically.
Speaker 6: It sounds really great.
Speaker 5: I like how that one was a story of redemption
Speaker 5: overcoming all odds.
Speaker 4: That that's pretty good.
Speaker 5: I really went through a journey with that one.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a little tougher for you because
Speaker 2: you've got to constant you have to talk about here,
Speaker 2: which is something I didn't consider.
Speaker 5: No, Or is this a real boon for Michael because
Speaker 5: he gets to cherry pick the best listen?
Speaker 4: I got it.
Speaker 1: I got it well with that in mind, Michael Gough.
Speaker 4: All right, you said it best, Matt. That thing, you
Speaker 4: don't know what the hell that thing's supposed to look like.
Speaker 4: PS five is huge. I think it's hulking. That thing
Speaker 4: is huge, and it's like very unelegant, Like I don't
Speaker 4: want to be sticking that in like entertainment center or
Speaker 4: standing up vertically on my drawers or nothing. That that
Speaker 4: thing looks like I got a pop collar, and like
Speaker 4: pop collar is can look cool. It don't look cool
Speaker 4: on the PS five xboxeries X. It's just a it's
Speaker 4: like a sleek just a brick, and you put it
Speaker 4: wherever it needs to go and then you just forget
Speaker 4: about it. It's just a system. That's just right there.
Speaker 4: It's it's nice. You'll notice it at first because it's
Speaker 4: not it's a little bit different from other Xboxes, but
Speaker 4: once you start using it, you don't even need to
Speaker 4: worry about it being there. And the series S is cute.
Speaker 4: It's so cute. I have it right here on my desk.
Speaker 4: It's like a little little ass Xbox that packs a
Speaker 4: little punch and it's cute and it's very simple design.
Speaker 4: Like you don't you people walk into your house and
Speaker 4: be like, oh shit, that's an Xbox rather than PS five,
Speaker 4: Like the hell is that that? Like, I don't know
Speaker 4: that shit look wild?
Speaker 1: You're at a time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, I did like the sleek brick.
Speaker 2: I don't think those two words have ever been used
Speaker 2: in the same sleek brick.
Speaker 1: I think it worked. Oh shit, that's an Xbox, matt rebuttal,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 6: I think the Xbox consoles look very nice.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 6: I I love the monolithic like shape of the Xbox
Speaker 6: Series X. I have a control wallpaper to the right
Speaker 6: of me, and it looks like those monoliths in the
Speaker 6: like main area that surround the pyramid, and it just
Speaker 6: like it looks. It looks sleek and and the little
Speaker 6: Xbox series as really wins me over with its side.
Speaker 1: And that's time. I guess you kind of.
Speaker 4: I don't they look good?
Speaker 1: What can I say, Michael? Do you want to say
Speaker 1: anything to that or do you think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I'll say a little something. Well, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: that's what's up. I like. I like how xboxes look like.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to trash PlayStation five because I'm getting one.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be in my entertainment center and all that.
Speaker 4: But man, that thing looked nasty. Bro. The funny thing
Speaker 4: is like you told the redemption story, Matt, but mine
Speaker 4: was the reverse because we were Lucy and I were
Speaker 4: on the live stream and we're like, yo, that's the
Speaker 4: PS five. That's wild crazy to that are the goal
Speaker 4: with something completely different. And then when I actually saw
Speaker 4: when Blessing got his I was like, that'shul look kind
Speaker 4: of whack.
Speaker 1: That's time all right, now, good timing.
Speaker 4: I'm getting better.
Speaker 5: No, sorry, Jake, what we're saying?
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 1: Who who had the better argument?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 5: Do I get? I get like to call per round
Speaker 5: and then you have like a panel of judges to
Speaker 5: pull pull at the end.
Speaker 2: Kind of ours are more unofficial, like just based on
Speaker 2: based on feel, and you can also like throw in
Speaker 2: your own personal taste too.
Speaker 1: Now that you have both too, write I do.
Speaker 5: My ex arrived yesterday, Thank you, mister FedEx man.
Speaker 4: And Phil.
Speaker 5: I'm big Phil. Well, no, I paid for it, but
Speaker 5: Phil did nothing, So I think I think both arguments
Speaker 5: are good, but I think Michael's was more concise and
Speaker 5: to the point, and bonus points from me from managing
Speaker 5: to cover both consoles so concisely. Also, Matt, you did
Speaker 5: sort of help out Michael, which.
Speaker 6: I appreciate you. Matt, I speak the truth. I'm not
Speaker 6: I'm a fighter for the truth. I'm on no sides.
Speaker 6: I'm speaking to the truth running up here in Canada exactly.
Speaker 5: But personally speaking, I absolutely prefer the X over the
Speaker 5: PlayStation five. I tried to get whacky with it with
Speaker 5: the PlayStation. I tried to be on board with it,
Speaker 5: but I am afraid that I just just like things
Speaker 5: to be not wacky in my home. Look, even this
Speaker 5: little air purified down here, that's too wacky for me.
Speaker 1: That's why it's on the ground.
Speaker 5: That's why it's on the ground. I was going to
Speaker 5: hide it, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have a p S five, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: But I really do like the Xbox series X and
Speaker 2: S look quite a bit, just because they're very simple
Speaker 2: and in terms of like that whole that whole argument,
Speaker 2: I think I think Michael had that one.
Speaker 1: Love. We'll see what the judges think. We'll see what
Speaker 1: the judges think.
Speaker 4: What are these judges?
Speaker 1: Judge Man said, Michael had that one judge judgement.
Speaker 4: Not a judge, Matt, You're so sweet.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Next topic is hold on while I get the
Speaker 2: timers set up again?
Speaker 1: Is the controller? Michael? Do you want to start?
Speaker 4: Sure? I'll go first.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: The Xbox controller has its design has been on points
Speaker 4: since the three sixty days. All they really need to
Speaker 4: do is iterate on it, and that's what they did
Speaker 4: with this new one. So it's it's very similar to
Speaker 4: the Xbox one, which is fine, but they did make
Speaker 4: some important refinements. So the bumpers are a lot smoother
Speaker 4: to press down on. The triggers have a I feel
Speaker 4: like they have a much more consistent resistance when you
Speaker 4: try and pull out. I've been playing a lot of
Speaker 4: fours US, so it's really good for racing. Games when
Speaker 4: you're trying to throttle and break control. I do like
Speaker 4: the textures on the triggers and the bumpers too. It's
Speaker 4: just like a nice tactile feel, but it extends to
Speaker 4: the grips and I like that a lot. It feels
Speaker 4: really nice just to hold it. I'd be like rubbing
Speaker 4: my hands. I'm like, listen, I'm not trying to relax,
Speaker 4: but like I was like, oh, this feels really nice,
Speaker 4: Like I feel like I can grip it. And then
Speaker 4: all the share button's cool like a PlayStations had it
Speaker 4: for a while, but finally Xbox got it. That's cool
Speaker 4: to see. But other than that, like everything else that
Speaker 4: you know from the Xbox one controller, it's on point.
Speaker 4: You know, doesn't have any flashy new features like dual Sense,
Speaker 4: so I'll give it that, but the Xbox design is
Speaker 4: on point. Still.
Speaker 2: Damn that was right at one minute. Good timing. PS
Speaker 2: five controller go.
Speaker 6: The PS five controller does something very similar to the
Speaker 6: Xbox Series X and controller in that it refines the
Speaker 6: shape and overall ergonomics of the dual Shock four, which
Speaker 6: is a very solid controller. But one thing that it
Speaker 6: does a little extra on is the rumble and this time,
Speaker 6: they've employed haptic feedback and dual sense adaptive triggers, which
Speaker 6: sounded like a gimmick and I didn't believe it until
Speaker 6: I actually tried it, but they enhance your gaming experience
Speaker 6: in meaningful, tangible ways that above specs. I'm a big
Speaker 6: spec guy, I'm a big PC guy. I'm a big
Speaker 6: Xbox one X guy. I'm looking at games coming out
Speaker 6: in this next generation and going I want to see
Speaker 6: how this plays with a dual sense in my hand,
Speaker 6: and that is an incredibly meaningful thing that I hope
Speaker 6: developers make use of because it would be a damn
Speaker 6: shame if they didn't.
Speaker 2: And that's time. It was good timing as well. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: hearing the stuff about we can talk about this now
Speaker 2: because the embargo be lifted by then. But the the
Speaker 2: Xbox or sorry, the dual Sense with Call of Duty
Speaker 2: sounds really cool and I almost wish I pre ordered
Speaker 2: it on PS five.
Speaker 1: Instead of Yeah series X. But anyway, Michael, what do
Speaker 1: you have to say to that?
Speaker 4: Listen. You know I'm gonna return in the favor when
Speaker 4: Matt gave me a hand of me the w last
Speaker 4: last round. But I'll say, like the dual sense. Like
Speaker 4: watching that your review, Matt and reading your review, I
Speaker 4: was like, Yo, this this does legit sound like something cool,
Speaker 4: but again, it depends on how developers take use of it.
Speaker 4: But I'm really excited to jump into Astro's playroom and
Speaker 4: really get a feel for it, like when a game
Speaker 4: takes full advantage of it, because you know that stuff
Speaker 4: sounds legit. Man, and uh, I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Man, I know what. I know what you're saying, Michael.
Speaker 6: The Xbox one controller, more specifically the Elite Series two
Speaker 6: control is one of my favorites of all time. But like,
Speaker 6: the dual sense makes me want to play with that
Speaker 6: more than that two hundred dollars controller, at least for
Speaker 6: the time being, and that's that's shocking to me. I
Speaker 6: like the offset joysticks, so the fact that the dual
Speaker 6: sense has me wanting to use it more is a
Speaker 6: huge feat that I'm I'm even surprised by.
Speaker 1: Huge feet, Huge feet, baby, just like me. So I thirteen, Okay, relax,
Speaker 1: wick feet.
Speaker 2: Lucy, as our as our resident with both conces, how
Speaker 2: do you feel?
Speaker 5: Excellent points made by the two, But I think I
Speaker 5: will have to give this one to Matt because I
Speaker 5: agree with him. I also in a similar camp. I
Speaker 5: think the Xbox Controller was fantastic. I didn't particularly like
Speaker 5: the iteration that came with Xbox One, but then the
Speaker 5: Elite Series two is my favorite controller. However, what I'll
Speaker 5: say is that playing with the Duel Sense, it's wild
Speaker 5: to see how different the vibration is in the two,
Speaker 5: and how much more elegant it feels in the Jewel Sense.
Speaker 5: The Elite Series two as well. I've noticed I'm playing
Speaker 5: a lot of Assassin's Creed on it is very very
Speaker 5: loud when vibrals.
Speaker 4: It's like yeah, sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: So I just think in terms of, you know, it's
Speaker 5: just they're both just nice, nice bit of tech. But
Speaker 5: the new Xbox controller that comes with the Series X
Speaker 5: does have a dedicated share button now, which is very nice.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 6: So, one really cool thing about the Dual Sense, I
Speaker 6: will just slip in here is that you should have
Speaker 6: no no, this is something just for the people. When
Speaker 6: you get you get your Duel Sense, judge is disregard
Speaker 6: listen to the controller, like, don't like there it has
Speaker 6: a speaker, but actually put your ear up against the
Speaker 6: controller and listen to the They're not technically speakers, but
Speaker 6: I think I think they're like some kind of speaker
Speaker 6: motor that they put all throughout that controller, and it
Speaker 6: actually sounds like you're listening to like a wavelength go
Speaker 6: through the controller. It is extremely wild.
Speaker 2: WHOA interesting that actually, because the speaker on the PlayStation
Speaker 2: four controller, I turned that off right away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it drives me crazy. I turn that off right away.
Speaker 2: So I think my initial reaction when I saw the
Speaker 2: dual sense stuff was like, oh, I hope this isn't
Speaker 2: kind of gimmicky, But after hearing everyone talk about it, it
Speaker 2: sounds really cool. Like I said before, I'm excited to
Speaker 2: play shooters with it, in particular because it sounds like
Speaker 2: they're doing some neat things with that. All right, next one, Matt,
Speaker 2: you're going to start this time it is back words compatibility.
Speaker 1: Go all right, So.
Speaker 6: I have been I tested the backwards compatibility extensively, and
Speaker 6: it was definitely kind of a question mark leading right
Speaker 6: up to us testing it ourselves. And there is a
Speaker 6: large amount of games that are compatible with this game
Speaker 6: with this console, and they all work really well for
Speaker 6: the most part. There are some that don't see benefits
Speaker 6: from the performance, and then there are even some that
Speaker 6: get graphical glitches, like Resident Evil seven, which it has
Speaker 6: a big skybox at the end of the game that
Speaker 6: just looked like an oil painting canvas, which didn't look
Speaker 6: as cool as it sounds, but still work just fine.
Speaker 6: Performance boosts from games like a seven screen Unity that
Speaker 6: just cause games Dark Souls three, like, it's all really
Speaker 6: impressive and while it's not perfect, like it is awesome
Speaker 6: that I can play my old games on this thing
Speaker 6: when I'm done with the new ones.
Speaker 4: And you had a time Michael, Xbox go Yo, Xbox
Speaker 4: backwards compatibility is undefeated. Xbox really put a lot of
Speaker 4: resources into making sure this shit works and it shows
Speaker 4: like it's similar to PS five in which I explained
Speaker 4: this in like all of my previews and reviews that
Speaker 4: backwards compatible games will get boosts if the games will
Speaker 4: perform more consistently across the board, but if they have
Speaker 4: sixty fps or uncap frame rates, it'll hit those frame rates.
Speaker 4: If it plays dynamic resolution, then it'll stay at a
Speaker 4: higher resolution more consistently. So there's a lot of cases
Speaker 4: in which that is providing a lot a lot of
Speaker 4: benefits to those backwards and patal games, But just the
Speaker 4: sheer library. When I go on a game Pass and
Speaker 4: I'm at a buffet, I got like twenty plates and
Speaker 4: I'm filling them all with up games, you know. And
Speaker 4: EA access just got added to game Pass and I'm
Speaker 4: like playing Skate three off this shit, I'm playing Jedi
Speaker 4: Fall in order. There's so many games in the library
Speaker 4: that just work straight up, and yeah, it's undefeated, It's
Speaker 4: it's pretty wild and.
Speaker 1: Time, Matt, do you want to rebut that? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean I'll let you, I'll let you
Speaker 1: start Timer, all right. Hey, uh So.
Speaker 6: The great thing about the PS fives backwards compatibility is
Speaker 6: it's intensely awesome. PS four Exclusive library, Bloodborne, Ghost of Sushima,
Speaker 6: the last of US games, the uncharted games, these are
Speaker 6: playable on the PS five, and Goes of t Sushima
Speaker 6: and Days Gone have amazing, amazing higher resolution modes now
Speaker 6: that just make the games look and run really well.
Speaker 1: And hard to beat. Splinter Cell on the Xbox. Though
Speaker 1: you had me at Bloodborne, you could have just stoped
Speaker 1: at Bloodborne. I was like regular man, Michael, all right.
Speaker 4: What I will say is that backwards compatibility on the
Speaker 4: PS five is a lot more surprising and impactful as
Speaker 4: what I'll say, because those exclusives and because of the
Speaker 4: history of PlayStation not embracing that and now that they do,
Speaker 4: it's it's just it's kind of a mind blowing thing, right,
Speaker 4: But that doesn't happen if Microsoft and Xbox doesn't push
Speaker 4: for it in the way that they did. So shouts
Speaker 4: out to the ogs on backwards compatibility thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: The one thing I don't know if you've tested, but
Speaker 2: one thing that I figured you'd mentioned is the is
Speaker 2: it auto HDR even on games that.
Speaker 1: Didn't previously support it?
Speaker 2: Yes, Also, judges disregard this, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: This is this is you're looking at auto HDR.
Speaker 6: And not to mention like the the Hoichi method. Upscaling
Speaker 6: Xbox three sixty and Original Xbox Games two four K
Speaker 6: is like the coolest thing ever. I think the most
Speaker 6: my mind was blown last generation was playing Skate three
Speaker 6: on my four K TV and it looking crisp.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's not running like native four K obviously,
Speaker 4: but the upscaling is does make it look a lot
Speaker 4: better than shoot just straight up stretching like a seven
Speaker 4: to twenty pm inch or something.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and of course the load times speak for themselves
Speaker 6: Xbox for sure, Lucy.
Speaker 2: What do you think for backwards compatibility Xbox? Sorry, I
Speaker 2: think I think Xbox for Mentuo. Damn, this next one
Speaker 2: is gonna be read for Xbox. This next one's gonna
Speaker 2: be rough for Xbox. But Michael, why don't you start
Speaker 2: okay or exclusives?
Speaker 4: Snap? See, Look, you know what I'm saying like Xbox
Speaker 4: and you know saying like games. Look, I got like
Speaker 4: Halo Infinite was supposed to be the big thing. Obviously
Speaker 4: that got pushed. So uh, you know, there's there's nothing
Speaker 4: really exclusive. I mean, the medium is going to come
Speaker 4: out later, but right now we don't know what that
Speaker 4: game is like or what it is going to be.
Speaker 4: So I got to conceive this one. But will will
Speaker 4: I will say is that xbox Is approach to delivering games.
Speaker 4: I feel like at least makes up for it because
Speaker 4: you can get so many games off of game Pass
Speaker 4: so easily. I know, PlayStations making strides in that regard,
Speaker 4: but just the wide variety of what's already available on
Speaker 4: Xbox kind of takes the edge off of not having exclusives.
Speaker 4: But if we're just going to talk about Xbox exclusives.
Speaker 4: Sorry you hate to see.
Speaker 1: It, Matt, go for it.
Speaker 6: Well, you know what, I'll give one to Michael. Jakuza
Speaker 6: is the only next Gen version on Xbox but facts,
Speaker 6: most of the world ain't webs, so there's plenty on
Speaker 6: PS five to enjoy, from Demon Souls, a remake that
Speaker 6: people have been clamoring for for a long time, to
Speaker 6: Spider Man Miles Morales, which is an excellent, excellent sequel
Speaker 6: to Spider Man, not to mention Spider Man Remastered, which
Speaker 6: comes with the Ultimate edition, sac Boy, which is a
Speaker 6: very pleasant, charming platformer, and Astro's Playroom, which it comes
Speaker 6: free with the console and is one of the most
Speaker 6: outstanding games of the year, not only for showing off
Speaker 6: the dual sense, but also just being pleasant and a
Speaker 6: fun walk down memory lane in a Mario like platformer.
Speaker 6: It's really really hard to deny that the PS five
Speaker 6: has better exclusives and uh and Bugs Next which which
Speaker 6: is uh which I've got some some things.
Speaker 2: And time bug ticks. Michael, do you wanna do you
Speaker 2: wanna follow that up?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, go.
Speaker 4: So I didn't mention Yakuza Like a Dragon because he's
Speaker 4: also on PS four and PC. But Yakuza Like a
Speaker 4: Dragon is actually the game of the year, and let
Speaker 4: me tell you why, because my boy, kosaka Ichi Bond
Speaker 4: makes the world a better place. This man is got
Speaker 4: the biggest heart he's got he's goofy as hell. That's
Speaker 4: my guy.
Speaker 1: Oh staff right there.
Speaker 4: Oh you can't see because we're not doing video. But Matt,
Speaker 4: he look even Matt's got a copy of Yakuza Like
Speaker 4: a Dragon for Xbox series ICEPT the day each Steel
Speaker 4: Book edition. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And time, I like how you took that opportunity to
Speaker 2: just talk about Uh, Matt, do you have anything you
Speaker 2: want to add?
Speaker 1: H jakizas Forbes now.
Speaker 6: Now, like I I, Xbox was my platform of choice
Speaker 6: if it wasn't on PC. So I'm very excited for
Speaker 6: Microsoft's stable to start producing games like held A two
Speaker 6: looks amazing, Like what is Bethesda gonna do? What is
Speaker 6: Obsidian gonna do? How are Obsidian and Bethesda gonna work
Speaker 6: together now that we're like, hey, Obsidian can make Xbox RPGs.
Speaker 6: Oh wait, now they own Bethesda? What the hell is
Speaker 6: that kind of look like when Avowed and Elder Scrolls
Speaker 6: come out within a year of each other. It's gonna
Speaker 6: be wild. Guys, Lucy, how do you feel?
Speaker 5: I think right now PlayStation absolutely has the best exclusives,
Speaker 5: but I also feel that Microsoft have made some very
Speaker 5: intelligent business decisions. I'm very excited to see not only
Speaker 5: what the future holds with Bethesda and actually whether Bethesda
Speaker 5: games will be exclusive to x platforms, but I think
Speaker 5: there's also other things with you know, in widening the
Speaker 5: stable of first party developers. They've got new studios like
Speaker 5: the Initiative. I am that like Complete Guests. I don't
Speaker 5: know this, but if they are working on a reboot
Speaker 5: of Perfect Dark, which is the rumor, and they have
Speaker 5: like all these amazing talent from places like Naughty Dog
Speaker 5: and all like I don't know, you can can you
Speaker 5: hear Greg in the background. He's yelling at someone. He's
Speaker 5: saying fucky, and I'm like, no, My point is balid.
Speaker 5: I think that the future is bright, and I think
Speaker 5: right now both sides have made some very clever deals.
Speaker 5: Like I mean, Assassin's Creed is not exclusive to Xbox,
Speaker 5: but with the amount of marketing around it, you would
Speaker 5: think that it was. And so that game is a
Speaker 5: system seller.
Speaker 6: So I'm really looking forward to like Crossfire X and
Speaker 6: the medium and stuff like that too, Crossfire especially because
Speaker 6: Remedy is doing the campaign, but also that multiplayer looks
Speaker 6: cool too.
Speaker 2: Crossfire X in particular, I described as it looks like
Speaker 2: Remedies just doing a Call of Duty game, which sounds
Speaker 2: so cool. Like that pitch right there, I'm man, yeah, absolutely, man.
Speaker 2: Well to kind of transition from the current exclusives to
Speaker 2: the future. Whose future do you think looks brighter?
Speaker 1: Matt? Do you want to start?
Speaker 6: I think I think PlayStation's future looks looks bright. It'll
Speaker 6: be interesting to see how much of their catalog is
Speaker 6: is new stuff because PS four was very much a hey,
Speaker 6: we're gonna let our developers take some wild twists and
Speaker 6: turns with our franchises, and in most cases it paid
Speaker 6: off really well. I mean, God of War was a
Speaker 6: huge reinvention for that franchise, and it was great seeing
Speaker 6: that God of War two is gonna be or God
Speaker 6: Wore Ragnarok, I guess is going to be another like
Speaker 6: mid Guard game or whatever the heck you call that stuff.
Speaker 6: Norse is a little disappointing. Frozen is a sequel to
Speaker 6: Horizon Spider Man. I don't know what you do with
Speaker 6: Spider Man from here, but regardless, those games will all
Speaker 6: almost undoubtedly be solid. So even if we don't get
Speaker 6: as many new stuff this year or this generation, Ratchet
Speaker 6: and Klank, that's another great game that's coming out. We
Speaker 6: haven't seen one of those in a long time, so
Speaker 6: and time maybe it'll be more familiar than I'm still
Speaker 6: we still have a good time over here on PlayStation.
Speaker 5: We should have went with the mute buttons a lot,
Speaker 5: a lot of like for sure games.
Speaker 4: Alright, my guy, Oh, I.
Speaker 6: See what's happening your favorite Oh I see the judge
Speaker 6: that it's a conspiracy against me.
Speaker 1: I get it because I'm Canadian, Michael. How's the future
Speaker 1: for Xbox looking?
Speaker 5: Go?
Speaker 4: All right? I am excited for PS five's future, that's
Speaker 4: for sure. But the exciting thing about Xbox is that
Speaker 4: there's so much. It's sort of an unknown quantity, but
Speaker 4: in an exciting fashion, like because of all the studio
Speaker 4: acquisitions they and the fact that they haven't really reached
Speaker 4: their full potential yet, and you know, the chances are
Speaker 4: that they will like to at least two or three
Speaker 4: years down the line. I want to see, like y'all
Speaker 4: touched on before, like what all these acquisitions amount to.
Speaker 4: So I think that PS five is it's hard. I
Speaker 4: don't want to say it's predictable, but it is in
Speaker 4: a way like we kind of know what those games
Speaker 4: are going to be, what those studios are working on,
Speaker 4: and what the evolution of those franchisese franchises is going
Speaker 4: to be. But I think Xbox is going to can
Speaker 4: do some wild stuff with their studios, and I think
Speaker 4: that's what excites me more.
Speaker 2: All right, six seconds left? Good, you follow the timer?
Speaker 2: We need more of that, Matt thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: What do you got? You know?
Speaker 6: I said that it's going to be a familiar generation
Speaker 6: based on what we know so far. For PlayStation there
Speaker 6: are definitely some smaller developers making some really interesting things.
Speaker 6: But like we said, those like I can't imagine a
Speaker 6: world where the next got of work comes out and
Speaker 6: it's not as good as the original or at least
Speaker 6: like still a lot of fun. Like I know, we
Speaker 6: don't like to say these games are going to be
Speaker 6: good before we play them, but it's really hard to
Speaker 6: any of their studios will screw things up, all.
Speaker 4: Right, Michael thirty seconds A Damn, I don't know what
Speaker 4: to say, but PS four did kind of like towards
Speaker 4: the end of its life cycle in eighteen nineteen, and
Speaker 4: then this year they kind of fired on all cylinders
Speaker 4: to make the PS four go out in style. So
Speaker 4: in a way, it's kind of like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: like it'll be a while until we see things like
Speaker 4: God of War or whatever the other studios are working on.
Speaker 4: So I just hope Xbox has a lot of stuff soon,
Speaker 4: but I don't want to rush it and time. Let's
Speaker 4: hope infinites good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, Michael makes a good point. PS four
Speaker 6: started off super slow until like twenty fifteen with Bloodborne,
Speaker 6: and then it started to pick up steam. Like every
Speaker 6: year it released really good games. So if you know what,
Speaker 6: if the Xbox Series X has the same thing, that's
Speaker 6: not a bad place to be, right, Yeah, what do
Speaker 6: you think, Lucy, It's.
Speaker 5: A tricky one. I honestly think the future is bright
Speaker 5: for both of them. Like I think I kind of
Speaker 5: said this in the last one when we're talking about exclusives,
Speaker 5: but like both have made very small acquisitions, and if
Speaker 5: they haven't made acquisitions, they've made very smart exclusivity deals.
Speaker 5: I mean Death Loop and Ghost why Tokyo on the
Speaker 5: PlayStation side, and then are in general on the Xbox side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so weird to bring it back to the
Speaker 2: Festa the does that kind of feel like, I don't
Speaker 2: want to say cheating, because it's not cheating.
Speaker 1: They spent a lot of money too it, But does
Speaker 1: it feel kind.
Speaker 2: Of dirty that they just straight up yeah, those are
Speaker 2: all of our exclusives.
Speaker 4: Now all you got time exclusive on PlayStation? How about
Speaker 4: I just kick you seventy five billion dollars?
Speaker 6: Oh man I I it definitely uh felt crazy, like
Speaker 6: almost as crazy as like Xbox buying Ubisoft or something
Speaker 6: like that. It's like one step down from those like
Speaker 6: tippy top tier developed publishers, tippitty top.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be interesting to see what Microsoft does with Befesta,
Speaker 6: just because like they can totally make it an exclusive studio.
Speaker 6: Phil Spencer said, Hey, we can do whatever we want
Speaker 6: with these guys. We don't have to put them on PlayStation.
Speaker 6: What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Don't sleep on Double Fine either, Yeah under Microsoft Double
Speaker 4: Fine Yeah?
Speaker 1: Man in theory, yeah, god, so crazy.
Speaker 2: All right, So these next two topics are a little
Speaker 2: bit tricky because one console has it and the other doesn't.
Speaker 2: So I figure instead, Michael, why don't you start and
Speaker 2: why don't can you tell us a little bit about
Speaker 2: quick resume?
Speaker 4: God, okay, quick zoom is dope because I am indecisive
Speaker 4: as fuck. So I'll have twenty games on my Xbox
Speaker 4: and I want to play probably five of them, and
Speaker 4: then I'll jump between three of them and I could
Speaker 4: just keep doing that. Man. I like, I'll play some
Speaker 4: races in Forza. I'm like, oh damn, but I want
Speaker 4: to like get a few rounds of Apex in, so
Speaker 4: I'll just swap over to Apex and it's like, all right,
Speaker 4: now I'm ready for my four hours sit down session
Speaker 4: with Yakuza like a dragon. So being able to swap
Speaker 4: between those games in the matter of seconds, I think
Speaker 4: that if you're someone who likes who gets there feel
Speaker 4: fast of a certain thing, but wants to move on
Speaker 4: to something else, it's even faster than doing it on
Speaker 4: a PC. Like people be like, oh, you can just
Speaker 4: old tab. It's like, dog, you are not going to
Speaker 4: keep three games running in the background and your goddamn desktop.
Speaker 4: Stop telling me that you can all tabuh. Yeah, have
Speaker 4: fun with that shit. But Yo, the Xbox ohsh is
Speaker 4: so fire, Oh my god. Like I'm just playing Forza
Speaker 4: right now. I'm about to hop in some Gears, bro,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do that like five seconds. Well, I will say,
Speaker 4: all right, time to be fair. To be fair, though
Speaker 4: quicker Zoom does have some bugs. It needs to work
Speaker 4: out right now.
Speaker 1: So Matt, I'm going to give you a minute.
Speaker 2: Do you think not having something like quicker Zoom on
Speaker 2: the PlayStation five is detrimental or do you think that
Speaker 2: is a game changer in any way?
Speaker 6: Go for backwards compatibility. I definitely think it's huge for Xbox.
Speaker 6: But I was playing around on the PS five last
Speaker 6: night and I was like, man, I don't want to
Speaker 6: watch the intro logos. I don't want to start through
Speaker 6: the main menu. It's super quick, but I want to
Speaker 6: get in there quicker. I went to activities in Spider
Speaker 6: Man and just hit Rezuome on a mission I was on,
Speaker 6: and it loaded me immediately into the mission in like
Speaker 6: five seconds. It was blazing fast. It's definitely a bummer
Speaker 6: because they have this thing called the switcher on the
Speaker 6: PS five, and that sounds like something that you could
Speaker 6: use and it would resume into a game quickly, but
Speaker 6: nothing like that. And uh, while it's not a huge
Speaker 6: detriment to the console, it would have been a nice
Speaker 6: feature to have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's nice to have. It's not like essential, I
Speaker 4: would say, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, first party games load insanely fast, and in fact,
Speaker 6: like sack Boy has the very like very short I'll
Speaker 6: let you finish your thought, Sackboy has like loading screens
Speaker 6: that last like maybe a second, And it's disappointing to
Speaker 6: see those loading screens at all, just because of how
Speaker 6: fast the games are that I wish they just hit
Speaker 6: it entirely black, yeah, or like it just showed sack
Speaker 6: Boy like FLOSSI the sack, Yeah, yeah, exactly, playing with
Speaker 6: his sack and then he jumped back into another level.
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's so fast, it's wild all right.
Speaker 2: Well, on the topic of things that one console doesn't
Speaker 2: have and the other does, the PlayStation five has three
Speaker 2: D audio. Matt tell us about three D audio and go.
Speaker 6: So back in January, right before the pandemic ravaged our lands.
Speaker 1: It was quite the history lesson here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Michael and I were in Vegas and we demoed
Speaker 6: uh Creative Creative Labs, super x Fi Technology which is
Speaker 6: like three D audio to the max, which basically it
Speaker 6: sounds like you're listening to speakers around a room without
Speaker 6: like degrading the audio quality, and those are my favorite
Speaker 6: headphones to use. They've released gaming headsets since then. Three
Speaker 6: D audio on the PlayStation the tempest audio tech is
Speaker 6: not as impactful as that. It definitely makes a difference,
Speaker 6: but you would only be able to tell that difference
Speaker 6: if you switched between disabled and enabled really quickly. And
Speaker 6: while it has the potential to be huge in like
Speaker 6: multiplayer shooters and stuff like that, it just seems like
Speaker 6: a nice bonus. It doesn't seem super essential. But there's
Speaker 6: nothing and time, there's no not to use it. So
Speaker 6: it's it's there. It's nice.
Speaker 1: It's not amazing, but it's it's it's it's decent, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel.
Speaker 2: You, Michael, Do you think the Xbox not having three
Speaker 2: D audio is a detriment or will hurt it at
Speaker 2: some point?
Speaker 1: Go?
Speaker 4: I'm on. I'm on board with Matt saying that it's
Speaker 4: it's a nice to have, but it's not essential. There
Speaker 4: are a lot of There are a lot of audio
Speaker 4: options on on Xbox to improve audio quality, such as
Speaker 4: at most and things like that. I mean, I'm I'm
Speaker 4: the type of dude who loves like, really really good audio,
Speaker 4: But I think the use case for three D audio
Speaker 4: is a little bit trickier, and I don't think it's
Speaker 4: it's not going to I don't wanna. I don't want
Speaker 4: to get ahead of myself and saying it's not going
Speaker 4: to change the way we play games. But I'm willing
Speaker 4: to bet money that it won't be essential for the
Speaker 4: way we play games. Uh, So you know it's I
Speaker 4: don't think it's that big of a deal. I mean,
Speaker 4: I just I have a nice audio technica and Sendheiser headset,
Speaker 4: uh stereo headset. That's that's good enough for me. And
Speaker 4: that's that on that.
Speaker 1: All right, that's time, Lucy.
Speaker 2: Having played both the Xbox Series X and PlayStation five, now,
Speaker 2: any thoughts on the three D audio in particular first,
Speaker 2: and then maybe we can touch on quicker zoom.
Speaker 5: So I agree with both of you in that both
Speaker 5: of these features are really really nice, but they're not essential.
Speaker 5: I do enjoy three D audio. I think, you know,
Speaker 5: when developers utilize it, it's really cool. I think, you know,
Speaker 5: Miles Morales was a great use case for it. I
Speaker 5: think I almost said astro Boy. Astrobot was also.
Speaker 4: A great use too, well, I love you.
Speaker 5: Did you see tams video of that. It's very yes,
Speaker 5: and I think I think it's great, but you know,
Speaker 5: it just it just depends on how much it's used.
Speaker 5: It's nice to have in terms of quick resume. I
Speaker 5: am a terrible person who plays of games. I have
Speaker 5: like five games going at the same time, and so
Speaker 5: being able to swap between them. It's definitely having quick
Speaker 5: resume on Xbox then not having it on PlayStation. You
Speaker 5: definitely do feel it, especially when you have to like
Speaker 5: look at all the menus and title screens again just
Speaker 5: to get back to where you were. So both of
Speaker 5: them are like nice. I like three D audio, I
Speaker 5: like quick resume, But was it the was each one
Speaker 5: the feature that pushed me to get the console?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Next up, we have storage in transfer speeds, Michael, do
Speaker 2: you want to start with this one?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Storage? Oh, this is tricky because Xbox Series X got
Speaker 4: the most eight hundred and two gigabytes are free on
Speaker 4: the internal storage, and though I'm not sure how works
Speaker 4: on PS five, I'm sure it's pretty simple. But it's
Speaker 4: very simple on Xbox. Like if you have a one
Speaker 4: X or an Xbox one and you just like plug
Speaker 4: in your SSD or your hard drive so that trans
Speaker 4: put the games on that, then plug it into your
Speaker 4: Xbox Series consoles and the transform over, or you just
Speaker 4: play them straight up off if they don't have Series
Speaker 4: S optimizations, that's the key right there. But that's dope.
Speaker 4: Just like and like transfer cis are fast. I'm sure
Speaker 4: they are on PUS five also, but just the way
Speaker 4: the ecosystem works is very simple, straightforward, almost fool proof.
Speaker 4: The C gate card is cool. It's a fairly priced
Speaker 4: for an Envy M E S s D. It's still
Speaker 4: pretty expensive in the console space. But I will say
Speaker 4: is that the Series S three hundred and sixty four
Speaker 4: gigabytes will fill up fast. But again, I don't think
Speaker 4: the Series S is for real. Ass Oh, I don't
Speaker 4: want to say that. I don't think the Series S
Speaker 4: is for real.
Speaker 1: Ass. I'll then on time, so it's for real ass. Yes,
Speaker 1: PlayStation five, go.
Speaker 6: The PlayStation five. The internal storage there is an extreme
Speaker 6: premium on it because you cannot store games on external
Speaker 6: drives no matter the speed of that external drive. That's
Speaker 6: really huge considering like games are big these days, and
Speaker 6: games like Call of Duty are looking to be immensely massive,
Speaker 6: and it's going to cause people a bit of a
Speaker 6: headache with the PS five when it comes to expansion.
Speaker 6: You can't do that at launch. They're coming uh in
Speaker 6: later with an update. Sony has to test specific and
Speaker 6: v M e SSDs uh to ensure they're compatible because
Speaker 6: they're doing a lot more than just using them for
Speaker 6: loading or loading screens, to be more specific, and and honestly, yeah,
Speaker 6: like those are going to be expensive, like n v
Speaker 6: M e SSDs Jen for a SSDs, you got freaking expensive, man,
Speaker 6: And to get to get a terrorbyte, it's going to
Speaker 6: be a similar price to the Seagate hard for Xbox.
Speaker 6: And uh yeah, it's it's it's going to be expensive
Speaker 6: no matter where you go.
Speaker 1: Michael thirty second.
Speaker 4: Rebuttal okay, I think I won, but one thing? What
Speaker 4: was fuck? I had an idea and then I forgot
Speaker 4: hopefully I remember in the wait you're calling a victory
Speaker 4: before the votes are in. Yeah, like, oh, hey, don't
Speaker 4: put that shit on me. What I'm saying. I feel
Speaker 4: the w in my bones. Yeah, that's a storage is
Speaker 4: easy on Xbox just swap them, move them between and
Speaker 4: it's all good.
Speaker 1: Matt, how about you?
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, I mean, I mean the Series X has
Speaker 6: a fair amount of storage and I like that, but
Speaker 6: that Series S. I'm gonna corner that thing and beat
Speaker 6: it up in an alley. You got twenty second, So
Speaker 6: three sixty four is crazy, man, And it's such a
Speaker 6: disappointment they weren't able to at least get that to
Speaker 6: five hundred and then like with some extra space for
Speaker 6: the OS and whatnot not counted in that because like time, damn,
Speaker 6: that's a lot of that's not a lot of space.
Speaker 4: All I was gonna say, velocity architecture, the way that
Speaker 4: the storage and the io speeds work is on point.
Speaker 1: Engineers don't there. He's gone over his time. It might
Speaker 1: have been speaking as well, have been speaking French for
Speaker 1: all care.
Speaker 2: Lucy, Do you have any thoughts on storage transfer speeds
Speaker 2: on both these cons? I don't know if you've had
Speaker 2: much time to test the because you've got it yesterday, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I haven't tired Xbox much, but I have
Speaker 5: been helping capture gameplay for a lot of comparisons, and
Speaker 5: so I have been you know, had ghost of Sishima
Speaker 5: on my PS four and instead of redownloading it, I
Speaker 5: moved and like war Zone, I needed to do something
Speaker 5: on and so put that on an external hard drive
Speaker 5: and then putting it on my PS five took a
Speaker 5: long time. It takes a long time to transfer games
Speaker 5: from hard drives. Like Matt said, you can't put PS
Speaker 5: five games onto a hard drive. You can't even store
Speaker 5: them on there, which is annoying. So like right now
Speaker 5: I have my external hard drive is just my PS
Speaker 5: four game machine, which is fine and like they will
Speaker 5: run off, They're perfectly fine, but I do worry, like
Speaker 5: I've already I already filled the PS five, I've already
Speaker 5: had to make a call. So that six hundred odds
Speaker 5: gigabytes is a premium and I am excited for them
Speaker 5: to figure all that stuff out.
Speaker 4: Generally, what's the transfer speeds like when you're doing those things,
Speaker 4: Because I tested, like to the second, what transfer speeds
Speaker 4: are like for certain size files on Xbox between different
Speaker 4: types of external drives. I'm just curious.
Speaker 5: I didn't test, like I didn't time, but I definitely
Speaker 5: remember war Zone being like fifteen or some minutes.
Speaker 4: It was okay, we're using an external SSD or an
Speaker 4: external HDD.
Speaker 5: I believe it's HDD. It's the Cgate one. It's the
Speaker 5: c Gate one that they did for the Xbox One.
Speaker 4: The game drive. Yeah, that's that's a hard time. Okay, okay,
Speaker 4: that's that's that sounds right then?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and and similar to your speeds with the SSD,
Speaker 6: maybe a little slower, but yeah, it's it's a it's
Speaker 6: a mess. The storage situation, it is really disappointing. Just
Speaker 6: being able to store PS five games on an external
Speaker 6: drive would have made this so much better.
Speaker 1: I mean even I.
Speaker 2: Feel like this is just an issue with both consoles,
Speaker 2: and it's just the trade off, as you guys said,
Speaker 2: of having envment and they can't even say it. The
Speaker 2: fancy SSDs, as cool as they are, it is kind
Speaker 2: of frustrating that. I'm pretty sure last Gen all the
Speaker 2: consoles launched with five hundred gigs, and even the Series
Speaker 2: S still launches with quote five hundred gigs like years later,
Speaker 2: which is which is a bummer because I remember even
Speaker 2: that like five hundred gigs. I remember being too small
Speaker 2: back then because you could fill that up, you know,
Speaker 2: if you bought a good handful of Launch games that
Speaker 2: would have been filled up as well back then, So
Speaker 2: I was I was really holding out that there'd be
Speaker 2: some two terabyte consoles we'd be able to get, but Nope,
Speaker 2: not yet. Maybe that'll be the next revision we get
Speaker 2: in a.
Speaker 4: Couple of years. I don't know, man, these consoles are
Speaker 4: still like five hundred bucks for the PS five, and
Speaker 4: the X and Yeah and v ME SSDs are still
Speaker 4: wild expensive. So the fact that they can't even ship
Speaker 4: a five hundred dollars console with that technology in it
Speaker 4: is kind of still astounding a bit totally. But in
Speaker 4: the world of consoles, where things are supposed to be
Speaker 4: like front price, consumer friendly pricing, it does kind of
Speaker 4: throw you for a loop.
Speaker 2: Especially when what Cold War is supposed to be like
Speaker 2: two hundred and I installed it today my preorder today,
Speaker 2: and it just took it took almost all day. I
Speaker 2: almost had to stop it before this podcast because I
Speaker 2: didn't want to take my internet. Like yeah, anyway, the
Speaker 2: last topic we have here, Matt, I'll have you start
Speaker 2: is about you I go.
Speaker 6: So Playeration five's UI is similar to the PS four
Speaker 6: in that it still uses the straight line of tiles
Speaker 6: for its homepage, but the control center is where things
Speaker 6: get a little more interesting. That's where activities come in,
Speaker 6: which are basically little game cards that let you load
Speaker 6: into a specific level, mission, quest challenge immediately. So I
Speaker 6: was able to skip world travel in Spider Man Miles
Speaker 6: Morales and complete all of his combat challenges without swinging once,
Speaker 6: which is awesome because I was just like, get this
Speaker 6: over with. It's a combat challenge, who cares. It's definitely
Speaker 6: different enough that the muscle memory you build up from
Speaker 6: the PS four is going to cause some problems, but
Speaker 6: once you get used to it, it's it's super intuitive,
Speaker 6: pretty quick. There are some PS four PS five version
Speaker 6: stuff that it's a little confusing and then it's time,
Speaker 6: but once you get used to it, it's manageable for sure.
Speaker 4: Michael, So, so the Xbox Series UI is the Xbox
Speaker 4: One UI. Nothing's changed really, but it's snappier, it's it's
Speaker 4: easier to move between stuff. But I mean like they've
Speaker 4: made some strides with that UI. So while well, the
Speaker 4: PS five is like definitely trying some new new ship. Uh,
Speaker 4: the I feel like the Xbox is, we like their
Speaker 4: mentality is to give you the best version of what
Speaker 4: they already have. And then build from there. It kind
Speaker 4: of shows in the UI like Xbox users they probably
Speaker 4: like figured this out already, like how to use it,
Speaker 4: so when they jump into here, there's there's nothing to relearn.
Speaker 4: It's the same it's the same thing. It's just a
Speaker 4: lot cleaner when you're navigating it. So maybe it's not exciting,
Speaker 4: but it's efficient, is what I'll say. And that's fine
Speaker 4: with me, all right.
Speaker 2: Matt got a rebuttal go, Yeah, I love the Xbox
Speaker 2: One s U. I.
Speaker 6: I think the latest design of it is is is fantastic,
Speaker 6: the best console UI out there. There you go, you
Speaker 6: heard it, Yeah, totally. The thing that's disappointing about it, though,
Speaker 6: is that and like understandable that they kept it because
Speaker 6: they are sharing an ecosystem, is that you don't get
Speaker 6: that new UI feel when you boot up your console.
Speaker 6: And uh, that's that's a slight disappointment that that you
Speaker 6: don't get with the PS five time.
Speaker 4: Michael, Yeah, yeah, I feel you on that, Like the
Speaker 4: first time you boot up a console, like, oh, ship,
Speaker 4: what's this actually look like? With the PS five is
Speaker 4: like we've seen it already. But when I when I
Speaker 4: get my PS five and I boot it up. I'm like, ah, ship, Uh,
Speaker 4: here's here's some new ship, new ship, new ship. But uh,
Speaker 4: I don't know Xbox is lit. I don't know. I
Speaker 4: came around on it. I think it's cool, all right. Oh,
Speaker 4: it doesn't have the dynamic backgrounds or whack on Xbox.
Speaker 4: Dynamic backgrounds are lit on PS five P four. So
Speaker 4: you got to give it to Matt for.
Speaker 1: This one, Lucy, how do you feel?
Speaker 5: I have never really enjoyed the UI on Xbox. I
Speaker 5: like down three sixty, I've never really blades. I loved
Speaker 5: the Blades, but the the one and now a series
Speaker 5: UI is like I find myself. I'm I still have
Speaker 5: to second guess where everything is. Like I feel like
Speaker 5: I know exactly where stuff is, but I still kind
Speaker 5: of go, oh it's it just never clicked with me
Speaker 5: as a UI. Whereas PlayStation I think what they've done
Speaker 5: this time around is like they've they've got their cross
Speaker 5: media bar with award winning cross media bar. I think
Speaker 5: they actually won an award for the in the p
Speaker 5: S three Days.
Speaker 7: I feel like they award for it.
Speaker 4: They stole it from the PSP. All right, This UI
Speaker 4: shit goes all the way back to the PSP.
Speaker 5: We never had a PSB, but no, I like the
Speaker 5: way I like the way the cross media bar thinks like,
Speaker 5: but it's weird. The one thing I will say is
Speaker 5: that like I am enjoying the Xbox One way more now,
Speaker 5: Like I feel like I'm getting there with it becoming
Speaker 5: second nature, like the PlayStations one is. And it is
Speaker 5: great that I am seeing where they're just nicking stuff
Speaker 5: off each other. So like, for example, Xbox used to
Speaker 5: have the snap feature and you can put Skype in
Speaker 5: there or whatever, and PlayStations now nicked that and put
Speaker 5: that in so you can have party chat or you
Speaker 5: can have someone else's gameplay in there. There's other stuff too.
Speaker 5: Oh what was I looking at yesterday? I don't remember.
Speaker 5: It will come back to.
Speaker 6: Me, but I the tiles in the in the library
Speaker 6: are pretty Xboxy, yeah, which is nice. Just the nice
Speaker 6: square like logo art is nice to see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know some games got the PlayStation hits
Speaker 4: uh design on a digital tile art that this.
Speaker 5: Game like now a major motion picture vibe of Like, y'all.
Speaker 4: Don't need to tell me that God of War is
Speaker 4: a PlayStation hit. We all know that.
Speaker 6: Like the Yeah, I would never, ever, ever ever buy
Speaker 6: one of those red plastic PS three or PS four games.
Speaker 2: Does the PS five UI have any ads? Because that's
Speaker 2: one thing that's always bugged me about the Xbox recently
Speaker 2: is that home screen always has like check out this
Speaker 2: show on Netflix and check out this thing. And that's
Speaker 2: something that's bugged me for a while because like, I
Speaker 2: don't really want to see ads on my home screen.
Speaker 2: Like if I go to the store, which it's very
Speaker 2: easy to get, two chances are you're gonna spend a
Speaker 2: lot of time in the story and game pass. Fine,
Speaker 2: but like when I boot up my console, I don't
Speaker 2: like to look at ads for I don't know whatever
Speaker 2: they're giving me ads for.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're they're so they have this this one game
Speaker 6: card that shows up. I don't know when or how
Speaker 6: or when it's relevant, Like I don't I don't know
Speaker 6: exactly when it shows up. But every now and then
Speaker 6: it'll be like here, here are things you missed or
Speaker 6: here are things you should know about, and it's like
Speaker 6: I saw, like I'm like, oh shit, ghost Rider, that's sick.
Speaker 6: I loaded up. Oh it's Fortnite. I'm like, oh, thanks
Speaker 6: thanks a lot. PlayStation getting my hopes up. So it's
Speaker 6: it's definitely there are definitely ads, but it's it's too
Speaker 6: early in this specific UI's lifetime to see if that
Speaker 6: will be used in more addy marketing.
Speaker 1: Ways.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I mean news the four does it is
Speaker 5: that it would put in like PlayStation now ads, which
Speaker 5: is to be expected because it is their service, and
Speaker 5: I guess otherwise you wouldn't really uncover PlayStation No, I
Speaker 5: don't know. Sorry, I just got sad thinking about ads.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how unavoidable they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, the last topic is not really a topic,
Speaker 2: but I just wanted to give you both some time
Speaker 2: for some closing remarks.
Speaker 1: Oh ship, Michael, do you want to start?
Speaker 4: Do you got a right?
Speaker 1: Closing remarks? On PS five Xbox Yakuza.
Speaker 4: Listen, all right, Yakuza Like a Dragon Is Done is
Speaker 4: my my game of the year. It's on Xbox One,
Speaker 4: It's on Xbox Series X, on PS four, it's on
Speaker 4: PC ha ha PS five ain't getting it till next year.
Speaker 4: Uh so I was gonna say something really bad, but anyway,
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, yas shoul y'all should play that game. It's
Speaker 4: it's man, what a special thing. Cosco bon Wow. I
Speaker 4: love that man. Probably one of my favorite characters of
Speaker 4: all time. I'm I'm say that with my chest. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so yahl people, But it's not just him.
Speaker 1: He's got anything.
Speaker 4: You don't want to. You don't want to get into
Speaker 4: that debate. I would love to, but that's a whole
Speaker 4: nother one. That's a whole nother th Next SOD Xbox anime.
Speaker 4: I'll you know what I've been playing. I've been playing
Speaker 4: Dragon Quest eleven. I've been playing Yakuza, I've been playing
Speaker 4: Near I've be playing other Yakuza games. I just started
Speaker 4: the sort Ar online shooter. It's not great, but I'm
Speaker 4: playing it anyway because anime girls, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: and a whole bunch of other shit.
Speaker 2: Matt, what about anything you want to add? On PlayStation five?
Speaker 6: Yeah, the I think the coolest thing about these new consoles,
Speaker 6: specifically the PS five, because that's what I've played most of,
Speaker 6: is that it feels like there aren't any compromises anymore
Speaker 6: in terms of graphics modes, Like you're definitely compromising performance
Speaker 6: for visuals, but even if you do performance mode, the
Speaker 6: picture looks incredibly clean. And that just wasn't the case
Speaker 6: on PS four pro it was either hey, you're gonna
Speaker 6: get a game that performs pretty well that looks greeny,
Speaker 6: or a game that looks good and performs alright. Like
Speaker 6: it was never it was never really a satisfying choice there,
Speaker 6: And with the PS five so far, a lot of
Speaker 6: the games I've tested have been satisfying on both modes
Speaker 6: for different reasons, and that's awesome, And honestly, I think
Speaker 6: that this generation, like both consoles offer amazing things that
Speaker 6: I think people will absolutely get a kick out of
Speaker 6: depending on what type of games they like to play.
Speaker 6: And more than ever, I feel both consoles are are
Speaker 6: super great choices. It's it's really good and there's never
Speaker 6: been a better time to be a gamer. So I
Speaker 6: think it's.
Speaker 2: It's shout out to all the gamers listening, shout out
Speaker 2: to all the gamers be careful. I mean, I will say,
Speaker 2: like I was playing, I was playing Assassin's Creed Valhalla
Speaker 2: on Series X, and it was really nice that there
Speaker 2: just wasn't an option between performance or resolution.
Speaker 4: It's just four K sixty which it.
Speaker 2: Runs great, runs super smooth, it looks super clean and crisp,
Speaker 2: and that's something that I hope we see more of
Speaker 2: I don't know we will, especially when it comes to
Speaker 2: ray tracing, because ray tracing kind of seems like the
Speaker 2: thing that's like do you want rag tracing on or
Speaker 2: do you want just pretty?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think the M five is a good case of
Speaker 4: how that compromise has to work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that kind of worries me because it's the
Speaker 2: last gen game, right, and like you can't I mean,
Speaker 2: you can still do rate tracing sixty frames four k,
Speaker 2: I think, but if you want to do one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty frames, then you have to turn off rate tracing.
Speaker 1: I think that works, yes.
Speaker 4: And there's like this, it's weird things with like the
Speaker 4: with resolution and really because you can have rate tracing,
Speaker 4: full rate tracing ten ADP, then you have some retracing
Speaker 4: or a slightly lesser version of it and then run
Speaker 4: a higher resolution or if you want to do four
Speaker 4: K sixty then you have to turn all that shit off.
Speaker 4: So in some ways, like I love that. I Yo,
Speaker 4: I'm playing Assass's Creed on a console at sixty FPS
Speaker 4: and this shit looks clean as fuck, Like that's wild,
Speaker 4: Like I like that, But once you start getting into
Speaker 4: rate tracing, I think things are gonna get really tricked.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: But regardless, like that's that's a that's a cherry on top.
Speaker 4: Like I think games are still gonna have options like
Speaker 4: they do with the one X and uh in some
Speaker 4: cases for the PS four Pro. But at the end
Speaker 4: of day, I think, like, you know, unless you're like
Speaker 4: really really picky about visuals like some PC gamers are.
Speaker 4: I used to be that way. I try not to
Speaker 4: be anymore because I just I just want to play.
Speaker 4: I remind myself like I'm here to play a game.
Speaker 4: I'm not here to like nitpick where resolution is going
Speaker 4: down at a certain point because I don't want to
Speaker 4: play a Xbox one Bass games because nine hundred pee
Speaker 4: like nasty. But there's there's a certain point in which, Okay,
Speaker 4: this looks good and I'm going to enjoy this game.
Speaker 4: So I think the new consoles like you don't gotta
Speaker 4: like the Xbox Base Xbox One struggle, bro like struggle
Speaker 4: to like perform and struggle to make games look good,
Speaker 4: especially later on in the console generation. Like I was
Speaker 4: watching Jordan play x Apex on Xbox One and like
Speaker 4: the stuttering. I was like, bro, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 4: upgrade A dog like can't you can't be living like this,
Speaker 4: but yeah, like like echoing what Matt said is like
Speaker 4: both these consoles are strong right out gate Like for Microsoft,
Speaker 4: they cut out all the fat. Remember that Xbox one
Speaker 4: launch We'll forget about because like they're not They're not
Speaker 4: fucking with that shit no more. Yeah, Like obviously like
Speaker 4: PS five is still focused on those important things. So hey,
Speaker 4: like you asked me who won the console war? The
Speaker 4: gamers won the console war.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I was unplugging my one X today because I don't
Speaker 2: don't think I need it anymore, And I am so
Speaker 2: thankful that there is now only one HDMI port in
Speaker 2: the back of these new consoles because they figure out
Speaker 2: the Xbox Ones, they were like, let's have two so
Speaker 2: people can plug in their TVV, their things, they can
Speaker 2: get the Xbox.
Speaker 6: Over or if they want to be an asshole and
Speaker 6: plug in their PS four for some reason, I mean
Speaker 6: speaking to the last generation and all that stuff. Man,
Speaker 6: Like I remember those of the consoles coming out and
Speaker 6: being like is this hit? Like wait, I thought we
Speaker 6: were ten AVP sixty what happened to that? And like
Speaker 6: within a year it was just like these consoles are underpowered. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and I think it's gonna We're gonna have to wait
Speaker 6: and see how things pan out. But like I'm I
Speaker 6: feel really positive about these new consoles, and they came
Speaker 6: at a good time, like they came when HTMI two
Speaker 6: point one is starting to come into mainstream TVs. And
Speaker 6: I think they are in a better spot than the
Speaker 6: PS four and Xbox one where because they came in
Speaker 6: at a time when four K TVs were exactly a
Speaker 6: year or two out. So like I think, I think
Speaker 6: these consoles are are are damn good, Yeah, damn damn good.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The one thing I will mention is that four K,
Speaker 4: like the base PS four and Xbox one weren't made
Speaker 4: with four K in mind, which is why we got
Speaker 4: the PS four Pro and Xbox one X as like
Speaker 4: a patchwork in the meantime, because it wasn't until like
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen when four K was like affordable, uh,
Speaker 4: And then now it's kind of the standard, so and
Speaker 4: it's going to be the standard for a very long time.
Speaker 4: Like if y'all think about AK, stop thinking about AK,
Speaker 4: because AK income here in the next ten something years.
Speaker 4: So now that four K is kind of like basically
Speaker 4: the standard. Like you can't go into a Best Buy
Speaker 4: and buy a ten ADP TV. That's not happening. They're
Speaker 4: not there anymore. It's all four K. So now that
Speaker 4: we know that that is, that is a standard, like
Speaker 4: now these consoles like are built with that in mind.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I don't I at least you know, don't
Speaker 4: quote me on this, but I don't anticipate there being
Speaker 4: like a quote unquote power problem to like make sure
Speaker 4: that these games run fine and look the way that
Speaker 4: developers want them to look. So again, gamers win, gamers
Speaker 4: win well.
Speaker 2: Before before I get the judges in here to talk about.
Speaker 5: This, judge, are they coming in now?
Speaker 1: No, I've got to I've got to send them the audios.
Speaker 2: Okay, So before I get the judges in here, Michael,
Speaker 2: do you want to tell people where they can find
Speaker 2: you and what you're working on?
Speaker 4: Sure? Yeah, I am. You can find me and all
Speaker 4: of my bullshit on Twitter at Michael P. Higham. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I obviously did a lot a lot of stuff on
Speaker 4: the Xbox series X and S. Also check out my
Speaker 4: Yakuza Like a Dragon review. Yeah, putting a lot of
Speaker 4: work those and just you know, taking care of little
Speaker 4: things here and there for Cover helping cover next Gen
Speaker 4: because I did big ass reviews. But obviously, like a
Speaker 4: lot of things come up, so keep you updated on
Speaker 4: how like quicker zoom is working, what kind of enhancement,
Speaker 4: what enhancements look like, things like that here and there
Speaker 4: helping out the team because Dan the team is putting
Speaker 4: out some firework out there. Y'all should check out everything
Speaker 4: everyone's doing, Matt, especially in Jean, Luke and Jake y'all
Speaker 4: cut some wild videos like also the news teams on
Speaker 4: top of so just man, this next gend shit is.
Speaker 4: It's really nice to see like the whole site and
Speaker 4: everyone working on the site coming together to cover every
Speaker 4: facet of this ship. But also like a real, real
Speaker 4: shameless self plug right here. Check out Filipino American History
Speaker 4: Month podcasts on giant bomb dot com. Between me and
Speaker 4: Jan that ship is fire. If you all want to
Speaker 4: listen to some some wild cultural shit, some family trauma
Speaker 4: and like speaking a different language, check that shit out, Matt.
Speaker 1: How about you? You can find me at Matt Paget
Speaker 1: on Twitter m A T P A g E T I.
Speaker 6: I tweet a lot of bullshit like Michael, I like,
Speaker 6: I like the dark side of TikTok and.
Speaker 5: Tony and I consume a lot of TikTok and even
Speaker 5: I'm not sure what that means.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So basically I just search for like jugglos and vampires,
Speaker 6: and I try to look for people who don't really
Speaker 6: understand how to use their phone so they think TikTok
Speaker 6: is harassing them when it's just like, hey, check out,
Speaker 6: there's a video, and then they just get mad at
Speaker 6: TikTok on camera.
Speaker 2: Matt's algorithm has to be the weirdest thing, like I
Speaker 2: bet they have. They have to have just one guy
Speaker 2: who works on it because it's just like, yeah, no
Speaker 2: computer can figure this out.
Speaker 6: Shout out to Big Juice. I Yeah, I'm Big Juice. Baby,
Speaker 6: he's back. Yeah this is back baby. I no, no, no,
Speaker 6: so sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry, this is my anime,
Speaker 6: all right.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 6: So I'm doing a lot of like like Calmer stuff.
Speaker 6: So Black Friday is coming up. I'll be covering a
Speaker 6: bunch of that. But if you want to check the site,
Speaker 6: I helped out with a bunch of PS five content.
Speaker 6: The team absolutely killed it with the PS five Xbox
Speaker 6: content was super awesome to read. I I ate that
Speaker 6: stuff up. So Michael did a great job to absolute
Speaker 6: mad Man on the keyboard. And yeah, it's been a
Speaker 6: lot of fun covering these consoles and I'm stoked for
Speaker 6: this next generation and continuing to cover them with this
Speaker 6: team because they made it easy to write my review
Speaker 6: and they freaking knocked out their own content that was awesome.
Speaker 6: So check it all out. Man, game Spot going hard
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty video games. They're here man, Hell yeah, dude,
Speaker 6: all right, Lucy, how are you?
Speaker 5: I'm on Twitter at Lucy James Games. I tweet bad
Speaker 5: joke as well.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, wow, And I also agree. No. I. In
Speaker 5: terms of what I've been working on, I've been helping
Speaker 5: support mostly on the PlayStation side because I actually had one.
Speaker 5: A lot of the footage in comparisons will be mine.
Speaker 5: So if you want to judge my Spider Man abilities
Speaker 5: off you go, don't. I literally messaged Evan and I
Speaker 5: was like, I died.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: I literally messaged Evan, who is editing the comparison. I said, look,
Speaker 5: the Fisk Boss fight I died cut around made me
Speaker 5: look good.
Speaker 2: I did the d m C gameplay for the comparison,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm not the person to be doing.
Speaker 5: This, by judge no, and like so I've just been
Speaker 5: helping support I can producing and just helping people get
Speaker 5: where they need to be.
Speaker 4: I have a question, what's what's what's happening with Gen
Speaker 4: Next now that that the next generation is now the
Speaker 4: current generation?
Speaker 5: Jen now, I don't wow, I like it, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean Gen Next is also the show that I've
Speaker 5: been working on with Tam and Jordan and obviously Evan.
Speaker 5: We can do without him talking about next generation of consoles.
Speaker 5: This week's episode, we have snippets from Term's Big Phil
Speaker 5: interview where Big Phil actually says that he chooses the
Speaker 5: nickname for himself so we can continue to call him
Speaker 5: Big Phil.
Speaker 2: Andy said he's been playing elden Ring or he's played
Speaker 2: a Yeah, which I was recording that interview with Timour
Speaker 2: and when Timore asked it, I like rolled in my
Speaker 2: eyes because like he can't say anything. And then he
Speaker 2: said that he saw the expression on Tan's space as
Speaker 2: he started.
Speaker 5: If you if you go to Joe Screbble's Twitter, Joe
Speaker 5: Screbbles did a little cut of that moment tribute moment.
Speaker 5: So yeah, gen Next is the big fill interview in
Speaker 5: TAM's early impressions with Demon Souls and then going forward,
Speaker 5: I mean the consoles. It's start of a new generation.
Speaker 5: So Gen next is going to stick around. We've had Honestly,
Speaker 5: like it's been. I was very wary when we started
Speaker 5: doing it, when we were talking about doing a show
Speaker 5: about new consoles. I was very afraid of wading into
Speaker 5: console war stuff. But honestly, like such a nice little community.
Speaker 5: He likes our stupid jokes and love it when Will
Speaker 5: comes on and they ask him all these questions and
Speaker 5: like love the jokes and it's just it's just really nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look a lot of the comments and it's like
Speaker 4: continuous like things about like Tam, you and Jordan. So
Speaker 4: it's like, oh shit, like y'all, like people are coming
Speaker 4: back to it. So that has been really dope to
Speaker 4: see stick.
Speaker 2: Around because after this we're going to figure out who
Speaker 2: the master debater is.
Speaker 4: Whoa whoa.
Speaker 2: I'll me.
Speaker 1: And we are back.
Speaker 2: With episode sixty seven of Games Spot After Dark. I
Speaker 2: am joined by our wonderful cast of judges. Joining me
Speaker 2: right now is Ian Preshel.
Speaker 3: Hello, Jacob McCourt.
Speaker 1: Hi, and Folgy Bear what a do baby?
Speaker 2: So I've selected you three to help me determine who
Speaker 2: the winner is of this console debate. We want to
Speaker 2: put the console wars to an end. We just want
Speaker 2: to stop them right here. And that's what this is.
Speaker 2: For a couple of things. I chose you through because
Speaker 2: I know you three have audio setups and we can
Speaker 2: do a podcast and it would all be steamingless and
Speaker 2: bar because I'm a big fan of all your work.
Speaker 2: But that's like considerably less important than the first one for.
Speaker 3: Something at all.
Speaker 2: We can't be skipping on the We can't be skimping
Speaker 2: on the audio quality. You know people are going to
Speaker 2: catch that, even though I recorded with Zoom for like
Speaker 2: the first three months of this pandemic and it sounds bad.
Speaker 1: That's crazy that you just said that. Like if I
Speaker 1: had a snowball mic, I'd never got on the show.
Speaker 1: It's pretty nuts. Yeah, that's how it is, though, lifetng
Speaker 1: gamer Price.
Speaker 2: Anyway, you guys have listened to this week's episode. You
Speaker 2: got an early cut of it, and they talked about
Speaker 2: I think I said nine in the podcast, nine different topics.
Speaker 1: I didn't count. I didn't double check.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's actually nine, but we've got
Speaker 2: a bunch of topics here. I figure we can just
Speaker 2: hit each one pretty quickly. You guys can kind of
Speaker 2: decide who you think did better, and then at the
Speaker 2: end we can decide. Now, the reason there's three of
Speaker 2: you is because there has to be a winner, and
Speaker 2: if there were four, you know, you know how that works,
Speaker 2: it could be too too.
Speaker 1: We can't have that.
Speaker 7: We gotta go hold with a deciding factor here. Now,
Speaker 7: what if we said it was a tie at the end.
Speaker 7: That totally screws your logic, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, say that no one wins, because I have
Speaker 1: a couple of notes here that say that both of
Speaker 1: them lost and that Lucy won.
Speaker 2: Okay, if Lucy wins, that's fine.
Speaker 1: We can come to that.
Speaker 7: Does Lucy represent the game players? Is that who she represented?
Speaker 2: In that?
Speaker 1: The people? She is the popular vote?
Speaker 3: She's a strong independent that everybody needs to rule the
Speaker 3: game or country.
Speaker 2: So exactly, Okay, First up here is console design, folky,
Speaker 2: who do you think had the better argument here?
Speaker 3: Well, so I gotta give it to Michael Hyam, mainly
Speaker 3: because when you admit that you're opposing your opponent's console
Speaker 3: looks better than your own and you appreciate it. You
Speaker 3: kind of lose that argument automatically. Also, let's be real,
Speaker 3: who in their right mind is going to look at
Speaker 3: the PS five console think this is modern and I
Speaker 3: love it because this is definitely something less futuristic and
Speaker 3: I'm not a big fan of it, and it takes
Speaker 3: away too much space the fair points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt kind of did himself in in that one
Speaker 2: when he's like, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Like the Xbox more.
Speaker 2: It's like he like didn't even get to his point
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 1: Ardea, and you're you're touching on something that is I
Speaker 1: think a key issue with this entire debate is that
Speaker 1: every single time a topic came up, the other person
Speaker 1: was like, well, I gotta give it to this guy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a console war. You can't both
Speaker 1: be Switzerland. Someone has to win. And this is the
Speaker 1: core of my issue. There wasn't a there wasn't a
Speaker 1: blood bath. There was too kind.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean I was expecting Paget to be
Speaker 7: to be nice. I mean his Canadian and we tend
Speaker 7: to always say sorry and then also give it to
Speaker 7: the other person. But there was just so much night
Speaker 7: and so much all around that. Yeah, I had a
Speaker 7: really hard time coming new decision on this one.
Speaker 1: Mine, though I got it. Here's the thing. I know
Speaker 1: you brought me on because I hate Michael Him. I
Speaker 1: know that's why he brought me on. And I'm going
Speaker 1: to be like the what's the guy who's the British
Speaker 1: guy from the singing show that hates everybody, Simon Cowe.
Speaker 1: I'm Simon. I am the New Jersey Simon Cowell. And
Speaker 1: I'm always going to say that Michael Him did a
Speaker 1: bad job. But literally Matt couldn't even throw me a
Speaker 1: bone and literally impossible to choose him. He literally said,
Speaker 1: this looks unplaystation. This looks the exact same as the
Speaker 1: PS three, just with a white polo shirt over it. Right,
Speaker 1: like he didn't give himself any sort of help at all.
Speaker 1: And the fact that him went with quote a pop collar,
Speaker 1: that that metaphor, that metaphor is amazing. And and now
Speaker 1: we're getting the PS three for reference here, like just
Speaker 1: go go to your closet and get a white polisher.
Speaker 1: Put it over there. That's the PS five. That's that's
Speaker 1: literally what it is.
Speaker 3: I don't like one of those Binders from high School
Speaker 3: is wrapping around real quick, and we're going to go
Speaker 3: exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I gotta give it to High as much
Speaker 1: as I don't want to in the in the in
Speaker 1: the interest of fairness and in terms of keeping our democracy,
Speaker 1: I have to give it. I have to give it
Speaker 1: to Michael Hyam with this one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Michael, I was on the fence, but Michael called
Speaker 7: it a sleek brick and I was into it, so like,
Speaker 7: I also gave it to Michael.
Speaker 3: We like those bricks around here, Let's go.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, not that my vote really counts here, but
Speaker 2: I would also say Michael had this one mostly because
Speaker 2: Matt just kind of gave it to him. Like I
Speaker 2: think I could have gone along with the PS five
Speaker 2: being better, but Matt just kind of gave up.
Speaker 3: I mean, has Helm is cool, but I can't wear.
Speaker 4: It, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm also noticing if you listen to this episode,
Speaker 1: you can totally tell that Michael Hyam was in politics
Speaker 1: at one point because he has some real AOC demeanor.
Speaker 1: Whe's like, listen, I gotta give you to this guy.
Speaker 1: But if you think about it, in the greater scheme,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here like the way that he's doing this
Speaker 1: is like he's been trained. He's been prepared for the
Speaker 1: Xbox Nation to really give the get the people what
Speaker 1: they want, the real stats and the Not.
Speaker 7: Only that, but he hit his time mark almost every
Speaker 7: single time. It was like it's a minute and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I got my point in suspiciously.
Speaker 1: So did he have a timer up? Was he trained
Speaker 1: by mister Spencer? He did not have a timer up?
Speaker 1: The timer was I was running that so timer was
Speaker 1: in his heart? Yeah, he did well there.
Speaker 2: Next thing, we have his controller design or just controller
Speaker 2: in general in.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about this? So I have a
Speaker 1: couple of quotes here from mister Hyam quote, I feel
Speaker 1: like I can grip it pause is what he said.
Speaker 1: And when you when that's your opening statement, it's pretty
Speaker 1: hard to take the rest of what you say at
Speaker 1: face value. And he also says later on that same debate,
Speaker 1: huge feet. So unfortunately regards Matt could have literally been silent,
Speaker 1: his mic could have been destroyed halfway through that, and
Speaker 1: I would still have given it to Matt. But Matt
Speaker 1: also gave some good arguments and he also said that
Speaker 1: he the controller redefines the way he thinks about games,
Speaker 1: which is I think what every controller manufacturer wants to hear, right,
Speaker 1: They all want to be like, oh, well, the features
Speaker 1: in this make me want to play games in a
Speaker 1: different way, and I think that that's so I'm not
Speaker 1: even getting the next gen consoles, but like that to me,
Speaker 1: I was like, WHOA, I wonder what's the big deal
Speaker 1: about this controller that makes him think that this is
Speaker 1: like a key feature for the future. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna buy the PS five, but I might
Speaker 1: just go to Target and get the controller, you know,
Speaker 1: just to see it. So I grip it with your hand,
Speaker 1: yes to I feel like I can grip it. Quote
Speaker 1: Michael him, I not a shuret.
Speaker 3: Get the next round of business cards. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think in his own words he'd probably say relax,
Speaker 7: right he did.
Speaker 1: He did say relax after that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if there's a relax counter, he probably said it
Speaker 2: many times. Jacob McCourt, how do you feel about this
Speaker 2: argument PS five?
Speaker 7: I think it was the resounding winner in this round
Speaker 7: of debate strictly because of how Matt explained how game
Speaker 7: changing the haptic triggers were. Both are refinements on the
Speaker 7: old controllers. But Matt really sold me when he talked
Speaker 7: about those haptic triggers.
Speaker 1: So PS five wins it in this round. Do you
Speaker 1: both have notes? Uh? Yeah we do.
Speaker 3: Wow. I had to work today, so you know, I
Speaker 3: was listening to this while I was getting some stuff
Speaker 3: done on the job. Y'all taking notes making it look
Speaker 3: bad man, what a good person.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't come at Michael Hyam's neck without
Speaker 1: notes like you, I'm going against the AOC games right here.
Speaker 1: I got to make sure that I come correct with
Speaker 1: my documentation if I'm going to come at him, I gotta.
Speaker 1: If I come for the king, I better not miss
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: I feel that I feel that fogy what about you?
Speaker 3: I mean I gotta give a dual sense as well.
Speaker 3: It's for me personally, like the Xbox controller is so safe,
Speaker 3: where when it comes down to like arguing that, it's like, well,
Speaker 3: it's an Xbox controller, it works, it connects, it has
Speaker 3: the features that you want a controller to do. But
Speaker 3: the fact that Matt thoroughly explained like yeah, like you
Speaker 3: do this, the tension is different and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and all the other videos I've been coming out over
Speaker 3: the last couple of days and weeks, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you can't argue the Dual Sense is not better than
Speaker 3: the Xbox Controller at this point in time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one thing that I cut from the initial edit
Speaker 2: that I sent to you guys, I think I cut it.
Speaker 3: At least.
Speaker 2: Lucy had mentioned that do we include the Xbox Elite Controller,
Speaker 2: and ultimately we decided not to because it doesn't come
Speaker 2: with the box, and we thought that might be kind
Speaker 2: of unfair. But I think even if we included that,
Speaker 2: I think the Dual Sense would probably still have a
Speaker 2: pretty good shot of winning, just because of what Matt
Speaker 2: had said about how it kind of makes you rethink
Speaker 2: how you play games with the controller, which is something
Speaker 2: that I feel like even the Elite Controller doesn't necessarily do,
Speaker 2: or at least it doesn't do anymore, since.
Speaker 3: They've already had a couple revisions of those, and like
Speaker 3: with the Elite Controller, you have to set it to
Speaker 3: be different, whereas the Dual Sense just does it. Like
Speaker 3: that's really cool. And the fact that it's only what
Speaker 3: seventy dollars for the controller or something like that versus
Speaker 3: two hundred or for the Elite two.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I know we were told to disregard, but
Speaker 7: there's also a speaker of some kind on there that's
Speaker 7: supposed to be better than previous. Matt just really sold
Speaker 7: me on it, So I know I was supposed to
Speaker 7: disregard that, but I regarded it.
Speaker 1: And also it's interesting when you get later into the debate,
Speaker 1: is that like Xbox and PlayStation seem to be doing
Speaker 1: the complete polar opposite of each other. Whereas the PlayStation
Speaker 1: is like, oh, the physical item is like completely different, right,
Speaker 1: and then for Xbox, like, no, it's just the same.
Speaker 1: It's a giant box. Literally, it's a giant It's what it's.
Speaker 1: It is what it is, right, samely the controller, whereas
Speaker 1: PlayStation is like, yeah, the games are what they are,
Speaker 1: They're going to be the same series and this is
Speaker 1: going to come up later and other arguments or whatever.
Speaker 1: But with Xbox, like, no, we have a Netflix style subscription,
Speaker 1: we have quick resume. Like it feels like the software
Speaker 1: side is where Xbox is pushing more restplaystation. It's the
Speaker 1: physical hardware where you're kind of getting a huge difference.
Speaker 1: So I think we call that from.
Speaker 2: Matt, right, we did all right, Next up backwards compatibility.
Speaker 1: Ian, you want to start with this one. I mean,
Speaker 1: Matt bro help, please, just help me. I want to
Speaker 1: vote for you. Man, You're making it real hard, but
Speaker 1: literally literally he goes Days Gone looks real good on
Speaker 1: the PlayStation five, And then I was I was gonna
Speaker 1: punch my monitor. I was like, Matt, are you serious?
Speaker 2: Could have said, could have said God of War, could.
Speaker 1: Have said, could have said he could have said like
Speaker 1: Flappy Bird. I would have been like, yeah, man, sure,
Speaker 1: man with Days Gone, I don't even know if a
Speaker 1: single person played that game, Like why are you bringing
Speaker 1: this up? But then of course Mike killing it with
Speaker 1: the the arguments obviously undefeated. You know, good messaging, right,
Speaker 1: The messaging behind backwards impatibility is almost as important as
Speaker 1: the feature. Like when you get an Xbox, you know
Speaker 1: you're getting the Xbox plus one hundred other things, right,
Speaker 1: Whereas PlayStation you're like, if you ask me, can I
Speaker 1: play PlayStation four games on I five? I couldn't tell
Speaker 1: you with confidence if I can, or how you even
Speaker 1: would do it? Right? Both Xboxes like, oh yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: just throw the disc from two thousand and five into
Speaker 1: this twenty twenty box and somehow you get a game
Speaker 1: like That's that should be illegal, Like that's that's insane.
Speaker 1: That's like that is really appealing to like the midwestern
Speaker 1: Wisconsin mom who's like, yeah, just get them the Xbox
Speaker 1: and put the disc in. It doesn't matter like that.
Speaker 1: That I think is the best part. And again, Michael
Speaker 1: Hyam really definitely killing it with these the message on
Speaker 1: these on these debates, Man, Jacob, how about you.
Speaker 7: I think I wrote, in addition to Michael saying undefeated,
Speaker 7: I have game Pass delicious in my notes. And I
Speaker 7: don't know if he said that or if I just
Speaker 7: thought that.
Speaker 1: That's a little weird, but I think it a buffet.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what it was. I wasn't just hungry when
Speaker 7: I wrote these notes.
Speaker 1: It was Michael. He really sold it.
Speaker 7: He talked about Skate three, even Matt was talking about, yeah,
Speaker 7: you could play splinter Cell games. I don't know if
Speaker 7: he was trying to get some favor with you, Jake
Speaker 7: by talking about splinter Cell, but I think it was
Speaker 7: far and away a victory for Michael in that respect.
Speaker 7: And I and you said it, but Matt really was
Speaker 7: shooting himself on the foot by saying, you know, this
Speaker 7: thing wasn't messaged well, it wasn't perfect you know, the
Speaker 7: PS four library is intensely awesome, but Michael wins it
Speaker 7: for me in this one.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Fogy?
Speaker 3: I mean, they all kind of hit the nail on
Speaker 3: the head on that one. So there's not too much
Speaker 3: I can add. But the clear difference when it comes
Speaker 3: to the backwards compatibility is like you can tell that
Speaker 3: Microsoft in Xbox is a software first company, not a
Speaker 3: hardware first company, so they've spent the time to make
Speaker 3: that ecosystem way better. And even with like, for example,
Speaker 3: Skate three, that game on an Xbox one X looks
Speaker 3: amazing for a game from two thousand and eleven or
Speaker 3: twelve or something like that, and all the other games
Speaker 3: I played, oh what was it? Arb and Dangerous recently
Speaker 3: because that was for free. It looks so good for
Speaker 3: a game that's that old, And I'm like, this is fun,
Speaker 3: Like this is perfect. I can't comfantly say, like any
Speaker 3: like backwards compatible game one PlayStation five, that's PS four,
Speaker 3: that's cool, But what if you want to play a
Speaker 3: PS two game or PS five game. And I think
Speaker 3: that's what Michael hit on the head is like you
Speaker 3: can go back and play all these different games for
Speaker 3: different generations and Matt Oily really argue like you can
Speaker 3: play these PS four games like Asushima in Days Gone.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is also an issue when it
Speaker 1: comes to Microsoft being a US first company and Sony
Speaker 1: being a japan first company, Like, like living over there,
Speaker 1: the majority of PlayStation or the majority of PlayStation owners
Speaker 1: still have their PS two and it is completely it
Speaker 1: still runs like and you can go to secondhand shops
Speaker 1: in Japan you can get a perfectly perfectly running PlayStation
Speaker 1: two PlayStation three for like less than one hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: So it's I feel like it's a very specific America
Speaker 1: versus Japan POV problem when it comes to the messaging,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure that if you went to a boardroom
Speaker 1: at Sony, they were like, why do we need backwards impatible?
Speaker 1: Don't you own the PlayStation two? And every person in
Speaker 1: America is like, bro, I've moved six times. What do
Speaker 1: you It's at my grandma's house in on the other
Speaker 1: side of the country. And they're like, oh, well, that's unfortunate,
Speaker 1: Like I hope you buy the PS five. I guess
Speaker 1: you know. So it's as much as I want to
Speaker 1: give the wind to Matt it's it's Sony's problem, not his,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I guess Michael takes that one. The
Speaker 2: next thing we have, though, are exclusives. Fogy do you
Speaker 2: want to start on this one?
Speaker 3: And I felt so bad when this topic came up
Speaker 3: for Michael, because there's just no way you can compete,
Speaker 3: especially when Infinite got canceled before even like a release
Speaker 3: date came out or whatever. I might be wrong on
Speaker 3: that one, but Emma got delayed, my man, not canceled, delayed.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you can't really argue your big bread
Speaker 3: winner getting delayed. I'm gonna watch your console. So by default,
Speaker 3: Matt's definitely winning this one.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Jacob uh?
Speaker 7: Michael laughed and conceded. So I think right there I was.
Speaker 7: I was already on the on the PlayStation five side.
Speaker 7: I think Matt said, Yo, we got games Spider Man,
Speaker 7: Astro's player room bugs, now we got him, and then
Speaker 7: he went on to insult Yakuza like a dragon, which
Speaker 7: I guess is like the big exclusive on on the
Speaker 7: Xbox side, by saying it's for webs. I don't know
Speaker 7: how to spell webs, but it's in my notes, so
Speaker 7: I would say that Michael wanted on this one despite
Speaker 7: Yakuza like a dragon being Gotty Gotti or Gody Gotty.
Speaker 1: Game of the Year potential. You mean Matt Gody.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, I give it to Matt on the
Speaker 7: PS five.
Speaker 1: What do you think you in? So here's the thing.
Speaker 1: This is This is where, this is where the villain
Speaker 1: turns to the hero and they become friends. They shake hands,
Speaker 1: and then they fight the even greater evil. Because as
Speaker 1: much as I want to give it to Matt, he
Speaker 1: said in an open forum, most of the world ain't
Speaker 1: webs and he is defending the PlayStation five. Sony just
Speaker 1: bought crunchy roll. Bro, you're fighting against your own team.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, do you know what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And then went on to just again. I wrote her
Speaker 1: here in my notes it says here, most of the
Speaker 1: world ain't weaves. Canceled, bro canceled, canceled, just canceled, seven times,
Speaker 1: over and over again. You have an anime podcast. Who knows?
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to say here, but uh, Jake said,
Speaker 1: no animation. I'd like to hear a show. But here's
Speaker 1: the one thing though, I gave this a tie in
Speaker 1: my head because Mike, as we know, both in the
Speaker 1: console war and in politics, the the end result doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It's all about the messaging, right, Because here's the thing,
Speaker 1: the word is exclusives. He could have been like Xbox exclusives,
Speaker 1: and then he could have just ended it that no
Speaker 1: real argument, and then everyone said, whoa, You're right exclusive.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So I'm kind of sad that Mike
Speaker 1: didn't do that. So I'm gonna it's a tie for
Speaker 1: me because Matt committed a war crime by saying that
Speaker 1: people aren't weeds, and then Mike just didn't really do much,
Speaker 1: So that's a tie.
Speaker 3: Also, let's not forget one of the big PS four
Speaker 3: games was a for some of five and he just
Speaker 3: caught off all those people. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they really do be your own people sometimes, and
Speaker 1: this time it was a Canadian person being his own
Speaker 1: people against Japan.
Speaker 2: Well, you may have given a tie, but unfortunately we
Speaker 2: have two on Matt's side here, so I think Matt wins.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that checks out. I'm on the right side
Speaker 1: of history. I will say that, Matt, if I ever
Speaker 1: meet you in real life, you know, you know what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen.
Speaker 2: One thing that Michael didn't touch on, which I thought
Speaker 2: he would were the fact that Microsoft just bought a
Speaker 2: shit ton of studios and will soon have a bunch
Speaker 2: of exclusives.
Speaker 1: But we did do a topic on.
Speaker 2: The future, which I think he did much better at
Speaker 2: Wait real quick.
Speaker 1: If we can go back. This is the one that
Speaker 1: I said that Lucy won, because I actually have notes
Speaker 1: underneath here saying Lucy actually gave the perfect slam dunk
Speaker 1: argument for Mike because it was the argument, the logistic
Speaker 1: argument between the difference between exclusives versus perceived exclusives, where
Speaker 1: she brings up Assassin's Creed, where if you ask that
Speaker 1: the layman person, where you'll play Call of Duty, where
Speaker 1: you'll play Assassin's Creed, it's gonna be on the XBO,
Speaker 1: not the PlayStation. So even though it is technically purchasable
Speaker 1: on all platforms, since cross play is not always going
Speaker 1: to be a thing on the Sony side, in reality,
Speaker 1: you have created a perceived exclusive with these particular marketed games.
Speaker 1: So this is the one actually where I said, tye, wait, no,
Speaker 1: Lucy wins. So that's that's that's I'm I'm voting for
Speaker 1: the Ralph Nader which is Lucy.
Speaker 2: So so if we put Lucy into the mix here,
Speaker 2: fogy Jacob, what do you guys think?
Speaker 1: Do you think Matt still has this?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sick with Matt. I got to all right,
Speaker 3: I just it pains.
Speaker 7: Me, but I have to Yeah, same, I'm sticking. I'm
Speaker 7: sticking with Matt on this one. The Green Party loses again,
Speaker 7: I get it. Yeah, fine, part of the course, so
Speaker 7: that one goes to Matt.
Speaker 2: Next is future Ian who argued a better future for gamers, specifically.
Speaker 1: For gamers, not for anyone else, exclusively for just so.
Speaker 1: So I wrote here on my notes for both parties, please,
Speaker 1: for the love of God, stop helping each other. You
Speaker 1: are making yourself lose. And I wrote that on Mike's side.
Speaker 1: So that's number one, and kind of I went with
Speaker 1: with mister Hyam here. I went with my new you know,
Speaker 1: the Dante to my Virgil here because he kind of
Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head because he said that
Speaker 1: when you look to PlayStation, you get reliability. You know
Speaker 1: what you're getting, right, You're gonna get the Spider Man, right,
Speaker 1: You're gonna get possibly Bloodborn or Bloodborn KRT whatever that
Speaker 1: studio is doing. I have no idea you're gonna get
Speaker 1: these like big Sony games. Right, But once that well
Speaker 1: is dry, what else are you playing there? Right? There's
Speaker 1: a whole swath of games that are going to be
Speaker 1: played on both consoles, right, And on top of that,
Speaker 1: Xbox is an unknown quantity. They just bought a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of studios and there's tons of stuff that isn't
Speaker 1: really known yet for the Xbox side. So if we're
Speaker 1: talking about the future, a hypothetical future where unknowns are
Speaker 1: are good, right, I think that Xbox is where my
Speaker 1: vote's gonna go, which is going to be on high
Speaker 1: im side. I could see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought he did a much better job fighting
Speaker 2: for the future than he did for exclusives. But I
Speaker 2: guess to be fair, those are kind of intertwined a
Speaker 2: little bit, how about you, Jacob. I know that Matt
Speaker 2: spoke about how the PS four generation for Sony was bright.
Speaker 2: It was all about wild swings that paid off, right,
Speaker 2: It was about Spider Man from Insomniac. It was about
Speaker 2: I almost said Days Gone, but I won't say Days Gone.
Speaker 2: Its h I can say Days Gone was a game.
Speaker 1: It was it was fine.
Speaker 7: People give it a lot of crap it was fine,
Speaker 7: uh and a lot of other you know, big swings
Speaker 7: that paid off, he said, more familiar but fun. Xbox
Speaker 7: just has so much potential in the future around all
Speaker 7: the studio acquisitions they made. I think that it was
Speaker 7: sold similarly, but I think that there is just so
Speaker 7: much out there studio wise that Xbox has to pull
Speaker 7: from in the next generation that I gave it to
Speaker 7: Michael in this one. So I think we're two and
Speaker 7: O for Michael.
Speaker 3: How about you, Fogy oh Man. I think Michael definitely
Speaker 3: argued a better case for the future with Xboxes, talking
Speaker 3: about the acquisitions and what can't happen. But I will
Speaker 3: say Matt did argue that with Sony, you do know
Speaker 3: what you're gonna get and you can rely on that
Speaker 3: consistency and whatnot. I'm gonna go with the tie just
Speaker 3: because I think that both of them did a decent
Speaker 3: job arguing. But personally what personally in my case, I
Speaker 3: want to give it to Michael, but I have to
Speaker 3: give a tie stickular rules.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: So I think that being said, Michael still wins though,
Speaker 2: right because we've got two for Michael and one tie.
Speaker 2: So the future belongs to Michael.
Speaker 1: That's his that's his campaign slogan. The future below it's
Speaker 1: not good.
Speaker 3: You hated leaves before, Wait till you have a future
Speaker 3: with Michael in charge.
Speaker 1: The psycho Hi himself relax.
Speaker 2: The next two topics are a little tricky. It is
Speaker 2: the three D audio in quick Zoome. Since one console
Speaker 2: has quick Zome and the other does not, one as
Speaker 2: three D audio and the other does not. I figure
Speaker 2: we can kind of look at this in terms of
Speaker 2: who argued their side better, like like based on their argument,
Speaker 2: which which entices you more to one of these two consoles.
Speaker 1: H Folky, I just saw you.
Speaker 3: I want to say, with this one, they both were
Speaker 3: like they were both agreeing too much on these two
Speaker 3: particular subjects, and I feel like they all kind of
Speaker 3: defaulted to it's cool, but it's not needed, And they
Speaker 3: didn't really argue, like for one very hard. They didn't cape,
Speaker 3: they didn't like put go out there for their for
Speaker 3: their squad. So I don't think anybody wins this topic
Speaker 3: in my opinion, they were just not decisive enough.
Speaker 2: So like a tie set, instead of both teams doing well,
Speaker 2: they both just fail.
Speaker 3: They both get in l exactly. This is the feature
Speaker 3: on where both people can get in l for not
Speaker 3: caping hard enough for their side.
Speaker 1: How about you, Ian? So here's here's the thing. I
Speaker 1: think that this is gonna come down to no matter
Speaker 1: which side argued better. I think this comes down to
Speaker 1: the person who's on the other end of this question, right,
Speaker 1: Because when I hear three D audio, that means nothing
Speaker 1: to me. I have I have air what is not AirPods?
Speaker 1: I have the the original Apple headphones. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: think that most people understand the the difference of high
Speaker 1: fidelity audio, right, And this is like the layman's person, right,
Speaker 1: Like me as someone who edits audio, I'm still like,
Speaker 1: I have no idea what a decibel is, right, So
Speaker 1: that's kind of my whole stick.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So when Mike said, you know, I'm playing a game
Speaker 1: for a little bit, I'm playing some racing games. I
Speaker 1: hit the quick resume, I go to this game for
Speaker 1: a little bit, and that's when my brain is ready
Speaker 1: to play some ukuza like a dragon right to my
Speaker 1: ADHD sensibilities, Right, I was like, wait, I don't need
Speaker 1: to wait forty five minutes. I don't even need to
Speaker 1: take out my phone. I just click that next game
Speaker 1: button and I'm ready to go. That to me is
Speaker 1: way more appealing, and I think also appeals to the
Speaker 1: average video game player, right because even if we're talking
Speaker 1: about like separating it from like the joke of me
Speaker 1: not being able to decide, right, You'll be playing a game,
Speaker 1: You'll turn off your Xbox whatever, and then you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I actually want to play a new game this time. Well,
Speaker 1: guess what, quick zoom still works there, right, that it
Speaker 1: is a function that works way more seamlessly in the
Speaker 1: average playtime. Then I don't know, if you have headphones
Speaker 1: connected or whatever, you hear the sound behind you, which
Speaker 1: is like a two thousand and nine feature for like
Speaker 1: surround sound audio, which like three people have, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and all of them work at GameStop.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's kind of my two cents. I think
Speaker 1: that Mike wins it. But then also he is appealing
Speaker 1: to my demographic so I understand why where some people
Speaker 1: would want to go with Matt on that one. How
Speaker 1: about you, Jacob?
Speaker 7: So I won't like belabor the point, but I think
Speaker 7: that I agree a lot with Fogie on this in
Speaker 7: that you know, both sides were kind of about their
Speaker 7: about their their touted features. I mean, on the quick
Speaker 7: zoom side, it was like, yeah, this is kind of
Speaker 7: cool to be able to swap between games. And on
Speaker 7: the three D audio side, Matt was talking about, you know,
Speaker 7: before the pandemic, how I saw three D audio and
Speaker 7: on another device that wasn't a Sony device, and how
Speaker 7: that was cool. But both sides seem to sell that
Speaker 7: like these features were not essential, they were nice to have,
Speaker 7: and like, I just think that both sides, like Fogie said,
Speaker 7: didn't really sell me on why either feature was cool.
Speaker 7: So I think I'm going to give it a tie
Speaker 7: as well. So I don't know what you're gonna do here, Jake.
Speaker 7: I think you're thinking, like, what.
Speaker 4: Do I do?
Speaker 1: What do I do? That's exactly what I'm thinking. Listen,
Speaker 1: y'all said, tie, which is a nothing vote in a
Speaker 1: swing state, which is where we are. The Gamer Nation
Speaker 1: is a swing state. All right, I'm the one who voted.
Speaker 1: It's going to high m.
Speaker 2: How about how about we come back to this. Okay,
Speaker 2: we'll circle back, We'll see how the others pan out.
Speaker 2: It will count up, we'll count up. That will tally
Speaker 2: it up. And if we are stuck with a tiebreaker
Speaker 2: and we need to make a decision. We'll come back
Speaker 2: to it and revisit it. I like the criteria. Yes,
Speaker 2: I have information that might swing the vote over to
Speaker 2: Matt's side. Uh, Michael Iam did say quote sack boy
Speaker 2: be playing with his sack unquote, so that I think
Speaker 2: just qualifies him from the race just in general. So
Speaker 2: just for the future when we come back to this,
Speaker 2: keep that in mind. This is a direct quote. So
Speaker 2: just so y'all know, I'm.
Speaker 3: Sorry you have to edit this part out.
Speaker 1: It's even invited me on the majority of what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is gonna be edited out. I'm gonna be honest, man,
Speaker 1: who's that you? And guy who was a lot of
Speaker 1: beep the entire time is crazy?
Speaker 2: Next one here is storage and transfer speeds foggy? Do
Speaker 2: you want to start with this one?
Speaker 3: Man? So I'll say this. I'm gonna give this to
Speaker 3: Michael because when talking about transferring of games, well, what
Speaker 3: really helped him out is when Lucy talked about transferring
Speaker 3: games from her PS four PS five, and Hal was
Speaker 3: taking quite a bit of time for that to go through,
Speaker 3: and then Michael talked about like, yeah, I just kind
Speaker 3: of pluged the hard drive in and they were there.
Speaker 3: They were available. Like the fact that I can still
Speaker 3: play games off of my hard drift the heads like
Speaker 3: three terribytes full of games and then down at all
Speaker 3: the new Xbox Series X Enhanced or whatever they're called
Speaker 3: games to the new console is amazing. That saves me
Speaker 3: probably what three or four hours right there and not
Speaker 3: have to sit there. So Mike, with the assistance of Lucy,
Speaker 3: definitely gets this one. Sorry, Matt, I love you, So
Speaker 3: he lost this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one is an interesting one because if you
Speaker 2: look at this on paper, one is clearly better than
Speaker 2: the other, and it's pretty hard to argue that. I
Speaker 2: would say, like having transferred a lot on the Xbox,
Speaker 2: haven't done much with the PlayStation five because I don't
Speaker 2: have it yet, but it is so seamless, it's so easy,
Speaker 2: and it sounds like there's some hoops you have to
Speaker 2: jump through the PS five. But with that in mind, Jacob,
Speaker 2: how do you feel about this?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 7: I want to cheers Michael Hyam on this one because
Speaker 7: he absolutely crushed it.
Speaker 1: I had a prop. I brought a prop.
Speaker 7: I think he said, I forget who said for real?
Speaker 1: Ass I have.
Speaker 7: All I have written in my notes is in caps
Speaker 7: for real ass and I don't know what the context is,
Speaker 7: but Michael kind of sold that. You know, the storage
Speaker 7: options are great, the transfer speeds are great, the ecosystem
Speaker 7: is good. Whereas on the PS five side, I'm sure
Speaker 7: they'll get there as far as MBME options and external storage.
Speaker 7: But at the start, like you said, Jake, it's it's
Speaker 7: clearly like an Xbox game. Michael could have sat there
Speaker 7: and said Xbox good and probably won the side of
Speaker 7: the debate.
Speaker 1: How do you feel in no, so, I kind of
Speaker 1: like what you were saying, Jake. Well, you were saying, Jake,
Speaker 1: there's a difference between being good on paper and being
Speaker 1: good usability wise, right, And I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: the separation that we're seeing between the PS five and Xbox,
Speaker 1: which was argued by Michael, where you can say on
Speaker 1: oh yeah, PS five writes this much, or writes that much,
Speaker 1: or or or transfers data this way. But if I
Speaker 1: have to jump through a whole rung of hoops and
Speaker 1: I have to make sure that games are transferred over
Speaker 1: to the main console but then hide on my hard
Speaker 1: drive in the interim that you know takes away I
Speaker 1: think from like we talked about before, the the my
Speaker 1: ADHD sensibilities like if I have to wait another twenty
Speaker 1: minutes to make sure that the game is transferred over
Speaker 1: or what have you, Right, that takes away from what
Speaker 1: you want to be doing. Right, So I think that
Speaker 1: the fact that Xbox is taking away those barriers and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh yeah, if you have the games, you know,
Speaker 1: plug it in, don't worry about it. I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of the strong suit to this argument, which is
Speaker 1: why I got to give it. Unfortunately, because I want
Speaker 1: to make I want him to lose every time. But Matt,
Speaker 1: You're like, you're literally like throwing it up and he's mckenbae.
Speaker 1: Buttombo dunking you into the floor. Please? Is there not
Speaker 1: speech and debate in Canada?
Speaker 5: Bro?
Speaker 1: Help please? So I got to give it, said Michael Hyam.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Yet, I think if we learn anything from this,
Speaker 2: it's that these two are not not made for debates.
Speaker 2: They're too nice to each other. Gotta go for the
Speaker 2: throat more.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: With that being said, ian Ui, how do you how'd
Speaker 2: you feel about those arguments?
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, I have nothing to say I
Speaker 1: have nothing to say because I mean, here's the for
Speaker 1: me personally, like this, this debate like always kind of
Speaker 1: falls flat because how often am I sitting at my
Speaker 1: home screen just staring at my PlayStation or staring at
Speaker 1: my Xbox hofs like, Wow, look at the flowing green
Speaker 1: texture that I have, You know what I mean? So
Speaker 1: for even though I again I always I feel like
Speaker 1: a default to Michael Hyan because we have the same
Speaker 1: sort of mental POV even though he's my sworn enemy
Speaker 1: like Saske to Naruto. Right it to me, it's like
Speaker 1: one of these like moot points where I'm like, the
Speaker 1: PS five could could literally be the Mona Lisa of
Speaker 1: Ui and it would not affect you or I. It
Speaker 1: would It would be a nothing, It would be nothing
Speaker 1: for me. If it gets to the game quickly, it's
Speaker 1: cool and that's all I really care about. So I
Speaker 1: gotta give it. I'll say it's a time. If everyone
Speaker 1: else is saying ties, then I'll I have to give
Speaker 1: it to Michael Him just because of the sac why
Speaker 1: common Earlier Wait, I thought that's why you wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to give it to Michael Him. No, all I'm saying
Speaker 1: he's canceled, but I want to still have him win.
Speaker 1: You know, he also just thene me thirty dollars, So okay.
Speaker 7: Great, So are you saying so you've been like weirdly
Speaker 7: not okay with Michael Throat and then you just said
Speaker 7: you accept that a bribe from him, Like, I don't
Speaker 7: know what side to be on here.
Speaker 3: In some countries bribes are not bribes.
Speaker 1: It's true. It's a cultural thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sorry, it's jeez.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, with that being said, Jacob McCourt, how do you feel.
Speaker 7: I also kind of gave this one a tie. What
Speaker 7: I heard from uh on the Xbox side from Michael
Speaker 7: was that, you know, Xbox has made tons of strides
Speaker 7: from a UI perspective, but the updates were made like
Speaker 7: a month before the console came out, so you didn't
Speaker 7: get that new UI feel when you got into the
Speaker 7: console for the first time. And Matt kind of said, hey,
Speaker 7: you know back background, dynamic backgrounds lit, how about that
Speaker 7: cross media bar work. It's a little confusing, but manageable.
Speaker 7: But on both sides, it just seemed to me like
Speaker 7: UI was a is like a preference thing, and in
Speaker 7: both cases the UI was great, and so they were
Speaker 7: very nice to each other, and so it seemed like
Speaker 7: a case of they're both good but different.
Speaker 1: So I gave it a tie.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, so that's kind of two ties,
Speaker 2: except you may be slightly leaning more towards Michael for this, right, Anne.
Speaker 7: Are we doing a good job of judging. We're giving
Speaker 7: a lot of ties.
Speaker 3: We just got in the tie section of the night. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we got all right, Fogie, what do you think I'm
Speaker 3: going to be an Asian a chaos and give us
Speaker 3: one of Michael? Just so Mac and lois also also
Speaker 3: because when Michael said the Xbox UI is generally the same,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, I'm familiar with that one. PlayStation UI
Speaker 3: has always and still is bad.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, personal actually loads very poorly on the
Speaker 1: old like I don't trust. Here's the thing with the
Speaker 1: way that the PlayStation store ran and the way that
Speaker 1: the PlayStation four took three hundred years to load when
Speaker 1: you went down to the games like community feature, I've
Speaker 1: been burned before. My trust has not been earned. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: mister PlayStation. I have to give it to mister box.
Speaker 7: You want to trailer, pull up YouTube, don't go into
Speaker 7: PlayStation store.
Speaker 3: The fact that I downloaded Twitch and it took me
Speaker 3: three minutes to find where that app went when I
Speaker 3: first got my PlayStation. Is a problem? Just throw it up.
Speaker 2: Well, we've gone through all of the main topics here
Speaker 2: right now, looks like Michael has five and Matt has two.
Speaker 2: Short However, however, we're not done yet. All right, there's
Speaker 2: a couple more things that we have to judge here,
Speaker 2: the first one being who do you think had a
Speaker 2: better overall performance? Who do you think carried themselves better?
Speaker 2: Who do you think I guess followed the rules better,
Speaker 2: was more engaging? I guess generally, don't think of the console,
Speaker 2: don't think of which console you might be leaning to,
Speaker 2: just in terms of their performance. Fogy, do you want
Speaker 2: to kick us off with this?
Speaker 3: All right, We're gonna go back to being an agent
Speaker 3: of chaos and Lucy wins this one.
Speaker 2: Lucy all right on the right side of his point
Speaker 2: for Lucy, how about you, Jacob?
Speaker 7: This is gonna sound like a really wholesome comment that
Speaker 7: I'm about to say. But like can all my can
Speaker 7: all my people win?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 7: Can everybody win? Do I have to choose someone? I
Speaker 7: have to choose someone, don't I?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I have to choose.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you don't pick anyone and it's
Speaker 2: a time, Michael's gonna win.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna give it to Michael.
Speaker 7: Uh he just it really impressed me how he hit
Speaker 7: his time marks almost every single time. The man like
Speaker 7: there was a second left and his point was totally done.
Speaker 7: So on that point alone, I'm gonna give it to
Speaker 7: Michael just polished, poised chef's kiss.
Speaker 1: Ian, What do you think I don't want to say.
Speaker 1: I've said Michael Hyam's name too many times, man, I
Speaker 1: feel it. It's like the Bob a Duke, Like if
Speaker 1: I say Michael Hyams too many times going to like
Speaker 1: appear in my close and be like dead ass or something.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to give it to Michael Hyams.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go. I have to go with Lucy.
Speaker 1: Guess here's the thing. Whenever an argument came up, she
Speaker 1: was always the last word of like, well, actually, let's
Speaker 1: think about it in this weird alternative way as opposed
Speaker 1: to the the X or y sort of thinking pattern,
Speaker 1: and like, I still was amazed that that she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, it's not about exclusives. It's about what
Speaker 1: the average consumer thinks, the difference between a perceived exclusive
Speaker 1: and an actual exclusive. That like was like I had
Speaker 1: to pause the audit. It was like a Galaxy brain take.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, she did it. She
Speaker 1: achieved the fifth dimension. The console war is over. Like
Speaker 1: that was truly a handshake gamer moment for me between
Speaker 1: the two. The two is the Geneva Convention of games.
Speaker 1: You know, exactly exactly. Part of me kind of thinks
Speaker 1: we should just stack the numbers. So Lucy wins this,
Speaker 1: you know, that's.
Speaker 3: That's just me.
Speaker 1: I'm not proposing anything. I'm not proposing process.
Speaker 7: She was like the very cool ta that would walk
Speaker 7: over to you while you're doing your homework and like
Speaker 7: help you out and maybe give you an answer and
Speaker 7: be like, hey, you're maybe doing that wrong.
Speaker 1: Like that was Lucy through the whole process.
Speaker 3: She was decisive, unlike those two most of the time.
Speaker 2: Well, it looks like looks like our winner is emerging
Speaker 2: out of left field. Okay, well, then now that we
Speaker 2: have that, someone gives you five hundred dollars. You've just
Speaker 2: listened to this podcast. You can only pick one console
Speaker 2: to buy. What are you going to pick? If you
Speaker 2: pick Xbox, that point goes to Michael. If you pick PlayStation,
Speaker 2: that point goes to Matt. Don't worry so much about
Speaker 2: their performance this time. This is about like, what what
Speaker 2: box are you leaning towards?
Speaker 1: Ian? What do you think? What's the man I live
Speaker 1: in like a two bedroom. I don't think that physically
Speaker 1: I could buy a PlayStation five. I know that you
Speaker 1: can't drive that thing in like the Lincoln Tunnel. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's pretty large.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, though, if I was just listening
Speaker 1: to these arguments and I had to go back and
Speaker 1: forth between what I prefer, you know, I said earlier
Speaker 1: about the quick zoom stuff. I talked earlier about the
Speaker 1: ease of use, right, Like, if I'm buying a console,
Speaker 1: I'm buying it purely because I want a no friction experience. Right,
Speaker 1: you have a PC. If you're like, well, listen, I
Speaker 1: know that today is Tuesday and then tomorrow's Wednesday. A
Speaker 1: driver will fail in twenty four hours, and it's my
Speaker 1: job to find it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: But if I go to my PlayStation five and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: well I want to play Bloodborne, Okay, well you gotta
Speaker 1: do this, and you gotta do this, and I go
Speaker 1: here and then download it from this really slow UI thing, right,
Speaker 1: that to me is just putting roadblocks to what I
Speaker 1: want to do. And when we're all working, we're all
Speaker 1: doing our things, we all want that frictionless experience. And
Speaker 1: every single time Michael Hyms said it in a very
Speaker 1: relaxed chill, like you know, your homie was trying to
Speaker 1: sell you on a console that knows you you better
Speaker 1: than you know yourself. Right, he sold me on a
Speaker 1: frictionless Xbox experience. And I'm spending I'm actually taking half
Speaker 1: my money. I'm giving it to Michael Hym for the suggestion,
Speaker 1: and then I'm going to use the two for you
Speaker 1: give me, and then I'm going to buy a used
Speaker 1: one a month from now. All right, So that's another
Speaker 1: point from Michael.
Speaker 3: Then, Fogy, how about you are you saying we can
Speaker 3: just kind of like disregard their arguments and stuff like
Speaker 3: that too, You.
Speaker 2: Can't, yeah, like like because if this podcast, if this podcast,
Speaker 2: hope you decide, then use that podcast. But if you
Speaker 2: already have an idea of what, like if this didn't
Speaker 2: affect your buying decision at all, then actually, if this
Speaker 2: didn't affect your buying decision all, maybe we should give
Speaker 2: the point to Lucy.
Speaker 3: No. But like for me personally, because I would if
Speaker 3: I had the fund her book, I'd probably go buy
Speaker 3: a PS five only because with the way the Xbox
Speaker 3: ecosystem set up, I don't feel rushed or pressure to
Speaker 3: have to buy one right away because most of the
Speaker 3: games will play there. And then if I do buy
Speaker 3: it on my on my one X, I can get
Speaker 3: it what's it called smart delivery, smart delivery if it'll
Speaker 3: probably have that for the new one, and then with
Speaker 3: game pass, I can play it on my Xbox, my
Speaker 3: PC and then eventually my phone whenever Microsoft and IOLs
Speaker 3: makeup and you know, come friends again. And like, I
Speaker 3: don't have to like feel forced in the ecosystem. So
Speaker 3: the PS five would be my choice of power Bucks.
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this though, if you want
Speaker 1: to go and hang out with someone, right, who are
Speaker 1: you hanging out with the person who's texting you every day? Like, yo, bro,
Speaker 1: we're hanging out, we get beers, we get beers.
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 1: We're gonna get beers or we're gonna hang out with
Speaker 1: your friend? Like, oh, Yo, dude, whenever you're free. Man,
Speaker 1: We're saying. Xbox is like, Yo, I'm here, I'm hanging out,
Speaker 1: Smart delivery whenever you want, man.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. Xbox is the homane where you can be,
Speaker 3: you can talk, you can miss them for a year,
Speaker 3: things come up, and they'll always be there for you.
Speaker 3: That's why I got my ability over and done with PSI,
Speaker 3: you know, Jacob.
Speaker 7: So beyond what Dan said about beyond what ian Ha
Speaker 7: said about it being like a frictionless experience, I think
Speaker 7: the one thing that was really sold by Michael on
Speaker 7: the Xbox side was the fact that the future is
Speaker 7: very bright for Xbox. You know, beyond the hardware, when
Speaker 7: you look at Xbox Game Pass and the studios they've acquired,
Speaker 7: and the franchises that you know, uh, they're going to
Speaker 7: be sequels in, and the new stuff that's being worked on.
Speaker 7: I think that that alone. I mean I was already
Speaker 7: going to go for an Xbox. I already have an
Speaker 7: Xbox in my possession, but Michael really sold me on
Speaker 7: the future of Xbox and how getting one not only
Speaker 7: will be something that will be very easy to set
Speaker 7: up get going, but there will be games to play
Speaker 7: for the years to come. So for me, it was
Speaker 7: it was Michael that really sold me on Xbox, so
Speaker 7: I'm gonna give him the point.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, what we have is eight points from Michael,
Speaker 2: three points for Matt, and Lucy nice. Lucy almost tied
Speaker 2: with Matt. Almost close.
Speaker 1: Good arguments, man, See how good arguments?
Speaker 2: Now before we end, are there any last minute remarks
Speaker 2: that you want to make, Things you want to call
Speaker 2: out that you think you think maybe you're worth like
Speaker 2: an extra point. Think of this as like when you
Speaker 2: finish Mario Kart and you're winning, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, your buddy gets like eight stars because he
Speaker 2: did stupid shit and then they So yeah, if there's
Speaker 2: anything you want to add that you think they deserve
Speaker 2: points for, let me know. Now's your chance to speak.
Speaker 2: I think Fogy had something I don't.
Speaker 3: I'll just pick it back off of you guys. Just
Speaker 3: you'll do your thing.
Speaker 7: I want to know what the dark side of TikTok is.
Speaker 7: If Matt Padgack can explain to me what his TikTok
Speaker 7: algorithm is all about, then like maybe he can get
Speaker 7: an extra point.
Speaker 1: I just need to know darkness TikTok is at least
Speaker 1: one point in the popular vot Can.
Speaker 7: You say something about juggalos one point for Juggalos.
Speaker 1: The jugs get one points as a group, So now
Speaker 1: it was the Juggalo's one point. Lucy gets too. But
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, like I feel like I
Speaker 1: wanna I want to take points away. I don't want
Speaker 1: to give points. I want to be like Yo, why
Speaker 1: didn't you mention this? Why didn't you mention why should
Speaker 1: we take points away from? I think we should take
Speaker 1: points away from Michael hyam Man. And here's the reason why.
Speaker 1: Here's the reason why. You see this thing here that
Speaker 1: I'm holding. You slap this bad boy onto an Xbox controller.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter where the console is, and then boom,
Speaker 1: you're playing your Xbox. But why is that not mentioned?
Speaker 1: You ever try and do PlayStation now. I started trying
Speaker 1: to use PlayStation now three years ago and I still
Speaker 1: haven't started it. It's still loading and it's been loading
Speaker 1: for three years. Right, Xbox, I clicked this button, little
Speaker 1: ship goes by, and I'm playing Yacht is a lucky
Speaker 1: Dragon in my bed with a controller hanging out right?
Speaker 1: How is that not like the first thing that you
Speaker 1: mentioned man, every single game on the Xbox becomes a
Speaker 1: game Boy Advance game, Like it's that accessible. I've played?
Speaker 1: You want? How many hours of Yachtaville like a dragon
Speaker 1: I've played on my iPad? Double the amount that I've
Speaker 1: played on my PC where I should be playing it? Right?
Speaker 1: So that plus smart delivery, like having your save just
Speaker 1: instantaneously just oh, by the way, you're playing, Hey your
Speaker 1: PC's like, hey, by the way, I saw you're playing
Speaker 1: like a dragon. Let me just pop this save over here,
Speaker 1: don't worry about let me just get it boom. How
Speaker 1: is that not an immediate thing? You ever try and
Speaker 1: transfer a save to the cloud on PlayStation? I would.
Speaker 1: I could write the code for my save faster than PlayStation.
Speaker 1: You can figure out to put this stuff in the cloud? Bro,
Speaker 1: we could make I can make a literal cloud of
Speaker 1: information and put it to God, and then God would
Speaker 1: put into my PlayStation five faster.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So many like contract Microsoft to help them with their
Speaker 3: cloud services recently too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's accurate.
Speaker 3: Oh thank god they're gonna need that help.
Speaker 2: So that being said, then I am all for taking
Speaker 2: a point away from Michael for that, But you brought
Speaker 2: up multiple points. Do you think we should take more
Speaker 2: than one point from Mike?
Speaker 1: What's the lead? How many? How many point?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 2: Can I this is Mary Marty, there's no rules.
Speaker 1: This is I want to I want to see how
Speaker 1: I want to see how many post mortem I could
Speaker 1: take away from Michael so that we can make it
Speaker 1: just even between everybody, like, can we make it too?
Speaker 1: Can we make it? Juggalos one, Lucy too, Matt to Michael,
Speaker 1: hyam too? Can we do that? Can we? Can we
Speaker 1: do a flat electoral college situation with this?
Speaker 7: What's what's the thing that he said that you said
Speaker 7: you were never going to forget? There was a very
Speaker 7: memorable yes, you said, I will not forget it. Yes, okay,
Speaker 7: let me see here. I have so many things here
Speaker 7: I feel like I can grip it. Was one there goes.
Speaker 1: One point five as a popped collar, another point gone
Speaker 1: saying saying that, saying something about huge feet. That's definitely
Speaker 1: my three points. Where was the other one?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: It was the sack boy comment. Where is it? Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, where is it? Where is at least four points?
Speaker 2: So right now Matt and Michael are tied. Then all right,
Speaker 2: each have four?
Speaker 1: So gamers win.
Speaker 3: The true chaos has been unlocked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they each have four and Lucy Scott two.
Speaker 1: Roxley, do you want to know do you want to
Speaker 1: know how we can actually know the winner here? Of
Speaker 1: everyone on the call right now, how many of us
Speaker 1: have an Xbox? How many of us have a PlayStation five?
Speaker 1: Because listen, if we learned anything from politics over the
Speaker 1: past couple of years, it doesn't matter what you say
Speaker 1: out loud, it matters at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: what is the real result. So if we have more
Speaker 1: PlayStation fives here, then technically Matt might get a point.
Speaker 1: If we have more Xboxes here, then maybe that should
Speaker 1: be a point for Michael.
Speaker 3: I think we have more Xboxes here because I think
Speaker 3: both Jakes have one.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have two, is what?
Speaker 2: Actually I have three in my house right now. So man,
Speaker 2: so that's a little unfair.
Speaker 1: Listen, you are, you're a swing state, your vote means more. No,
Speaker 1: my vote's not part of this.
Speaker 3: Just so the years at home, I did not condone
Speaker 3: to this, and no idea this is happening.
Speaker 1: So innocent of all this chaos, I am not in
Speaker 1: this and it is my fault. Jake invited me knowing
Speaker 1: full well that I'm on pain medication from a shoulder injury.
Speaker 1: So he knew that this was gonna go a little weird.
Speaker 1: But no, I gotta, I gotta. In all fairness, I
Speaker 1: do have to give Michael Him aka the AOC of
Speaker 1: Games the winner here because he really sold me. Man.
Speaker 1: I was very I said this before the show even started.
Speaker 1: I was very mid on the next gen. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I got my PC. I'm good for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: I'm playing whatever I need to play here. But I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie man frictionless talking about sac Boy really's
Speaker 1: given the down to Earth arguments. You know, Michael him
Speaker 1: is Assault of the Earth guy that really sold me
Speaker 1: on Assault of the Earth console, and that is the
Speaker 1: Xbox you know, well, I think the Xbox One. Well,
Speaker 1: I think I think the Xbox One.
Speaker 2: I think that's what we're gonna have to end this with.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: Wait, sorry, the Xbox One or the Xbox Series X.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I was saying, why did why didn't they do a
Speaker 1: commercial where it was like the Xbox Series and one dude, wait,
Speaker 1: that would have been they shouldn't have called the Xbox
Speaker 1: Series X. They shouldn't call it the Xbox One. Wo
Speaker 1: n that would have been the biggest gigaflex of all time.
Speaker 1: Phil Spencer, please hire me man, you know my number.
Speaker 2: Next time, next console launch, maybe they'll do the Xbox one. Anyway,
Speaker 2: thank you all so much for joining Fogy.
Speaker 1: Do you wanna tell us.
Speaker 2: A little bit about what you do and where people
Speaker 2: can find you and where they can support your work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me on. You can find me
Speaker 3: on Twitter and Twitch under Fogie Underscore, Bay Fog Underscore
Speaker 3: Bear lots of ridiculousness and fun stuff going on. I
Speaker 3: do a lot of fighting game related content as of now,
Speaker 3: but with the world shutdown, kind of shifting to other
Speaker 3: stuff and focusing on some other things and adding for
Speaker 3: some dreamers and whatnot. But yeah, find me on Twitter
Speaker 3: and Twitch. Come through, say what's up?
Speaker 1: Jacob?
Speaker 3: How about you?
Speaker 7: You can find me on Twitter at Jacob McCort. I
Speaker 7: host two podcasts. The first is called up Behind Game Club.
Speaker 7: It is a video game book club podcast you can
Speaker 7: find at left behind game dot Club. And I also
Speaker 7: host a video game movie podcast called Cutscenes. We just
Speaker 7: finished season one last month. We are starting season two
Speaker 7: in February of twenty one. So if you like video
Speaker 7: game movies, come through.
Speaker 2: Have you talked about Doom the Doom movie?
Speaker 7: We have not, but that is on our list to
Speaker 7: talk about because we stan DJ. I do not know
Speaker 7: the man, so I probably shouldn't call him DJ, but
Speaker 7: we stand the rock, so.
Speaker 1: We will watch it someday.
Speaker 7: Yes, DJ, Queen Johnson my Palada someone named DJ.
Speaker 1: What happened all I remember from that movie?
Speaker 2: I saw it in theaters and I just remember the
Speaker 2: extended first person scene that's just like Doom but in
Speaker 2: a movie, and it was like, this is weird.
Speaker 1: Even as a kid, I was like, no, I don't
Speaker 1: think this is it.
Speaker 7: Most video game movies bad, but the podcast a lot
Speaker 7: of fun.
Speaker 1: Well check that out.
Speaker 5: Ian?
Speaker 1: How about you? So you can follow me at Lucy
Speaker 1: James Games. I am a senior video producer. I gave no.
Speaker 1: You can follow me on Twitter and twitch at Ian
Speaker 1: y not I A n W H Y n OT.
Speaker 1: If you like anime and you are part of if
Speaker 1: you're not a part of the Anti Anime Alliance like
Speaker 1: Jake is, you can follow my anime podcast. It is
Speaker 1: a plus anime all spelled out that is AP l
Speaker 1: U S A N I m E. We also have
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel where we break down tons of anime stuff.
Speaker 1: We just put out a video talking about why my
Speaker 1: hero Academias current arc is maybe not as good as
Speaker 1: you think it is, which is very YouTube title, and
Speaker 1: you can also follow me on YouTube. I do tons
Speaker 1: of weird, silly comedy videos and stuff. I have a
Speaker 1: show called Off the bean where I sit on a
Speaker 1: bean bag and just go down these weird rabbit holes
Speaker 1: of thoughts and I think that's it. Oh, speaking of
Speaker 1: rabbit holes, I have a series coming out at the
Speaker 1: end of this month called rabbit Holes where I try
Speaker 1: and do these ridiculous sort of challenges and I give
Speaker 1: myself one month to do it. Uh. The first one
Speaker 1: that I'm doing here is, uh, I'm trying to become
Speaker 1: a voice actor in one month. So as I love anime,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get on an anime and become a
Speaker 1: voice actor with a job in one month. So there
Speaker 1: you go.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: That sounds pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Well, now that you know where to find all of
Speaker 2: these people, if you're mad that they have decided that
Speaker 2: Michael one and then Xbox is better and that PlayStation sucks,
Speaker 2: you can find them on Twitter and complain to all
Speaker 2: of them. GameSpot had nothing to do with this. I'm
Speaker 2: stepping away. I'm stepping away. You can't get mad at me.
Speaker 1: That's how it works.
Speaker 3: Bring it on, Bring it on, sweaties, he says.
Speaker 2: But anyway, thank you all so much for joining, and
Speaker 2: we will see all next week. Bye bye, soon to
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