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<v Speaker 1>One year later, and we are back in the Land

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<v Speaker 1>of Oz with our two beloved protagonists, Alphaba and Glinda,

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<v Speaker 1>played by Cynthia Rivo and Ariana Grande. To conclude the

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<v Speaker 1>story of friendship gone astray, It's Wicked for Good. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Ronald Young Junior, and I'm leaving the theater. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Ronald, and I'm leaving the theater after seeing

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<v Speaker 1>Wicked for Good. Wicked for Good written by Winnie Holzman

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<v Speaker 1>and Dana Fox, directed by John M. Chu starring Cynthia Rivo,

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<v Speaker 1>Ariana Grande, Jonathan Daily, Ethan Slater, Bowen Yang, Marissa Body,

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<v Speaker 1>Coleman Domingo, Michelle Yo, and Jeff Goldbloom. And for a

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<v Speaker 1>complete cast listing, you could go to the link in

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<v Speaker 1>our show notes. It is just me today. Wicked for

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<v Speaker 1>Good is the sequel to twenty twenty four's Wicked, which

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<v Speaker 1>came out last November. And it got one oscar. It

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<v Speaker 1>actually got one of the words oscars. It got achievement

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<v Speaker 1>in popular cinema, basically the a you did real good

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<v Speaker 1>in the box office oscar, which is not an oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>Most serious movies want to be receiving. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so it got that Oscar. So I don't want anyone

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<v Speaker 1>that is in a time machine listening to leaving a

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<v Speaker 1>theater coming back at me and like, well it was

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<v Speaker 1>an Oscar winner, and it's like, yeah, that's barely an Oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>No one counts. It's it's just different. If you listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the original review of Wicked, I believe in that

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<v Speaker 1>episode I tell you the whole story about how I

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<v Speaker 1>came to know Wicked, how I came to interact with it,

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<v Speaker 1>how I almost read a book that I did not

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<v Speaker 1>read as a child, et cetera, et cetera. Since I

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<v Speaker 1>have seen Wicked, I have gone to Broadway and seen

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<v Speaker 1>the Broadway Musical parts one, I mean the entire Broadway musical,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I have seen both movies, the first and

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<v Speaker 1>the second. I thought the first one was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember what my rating was. It was probably

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere around a three three and a half. If it's

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<v Speaker 1>lower than that, I'd be surprised, But yeah, it's somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>probably around hovering around a three. I don't think it

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<v Speaker 1>was quite a four or maybe this is being taketed

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<v Speaker 1>by this movie. This is the sequel, though we're following

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<v Speaker 1>Alphaba and Glinda and the Wizard and Madam whatever her

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<v Speaker 1>name is, and on their adventures in Oz. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do something a little different today. I'm gonna talk. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say I'm going to talk about the movie and

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<v Speaker 1>the construction of the movie and the acting, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk about the story. Visually, stunning, great costumes,

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<v Speaker 1>good acting from as far as I could see, from

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<v Speaker 1>Cynthia Arrivo, Jeff Goldbloom, Ariana Grande, it was fine acting

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<v Speaker 1>from them. Set design is good. The monkeys like flying monkeys.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything those boxes are checked. The direction is fine. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like the actors all clocked in and did what

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<v Speaker 1>they were asked to do, what they believed in doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And the script is fine. Because the truth is last

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<v Speaker 1>year when I went to go see Wicked the musical,

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<v Speaker 1>I went to go see it with my friends Meredith

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<v Speaker 1>and Will, and I remember leaving and being excited. I

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<v Speaker 1>was excited to be in New York. I was excited

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<v Speaker 1>to see the musical. I was excited to have seen

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<v Speaker 1>the musical, to be a part of it, all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I remember leaving and being like, man, that is

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<v Speaker 1>really dumb. The storyline is really stupid. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>stupid story, and I'm sure there's a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>that are like, well, Wick, it's a classic, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen it, and there's good songs in the second one.

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<v Speaker 1>All of that. No song in this second movie is

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<v Speaker 1>as good as the movie. The songs in the first

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<v Speaker 1>half of the musicals. So I'm gonna say first half

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<v Speaker 1>and first movie. Just know that I'm using those interchangeably,

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<v Speaker 1>because the first half of the Broadway production is the

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<v Speaker 1>first film. So all of the songs in the first

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<v Speaker 1>act now I'm throwing in another word, just a CONFUSI y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the songs in the first movie are most

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<v Speaker 1>of them are good songs. The second one, for good,

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<v Speaker 1>is a good song. Other than that, I couldn't tell

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<v Speaker 1>you a song that was in the second movie. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of how I feel about In the Heights, where

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<v Speaker 1>outside of In the Heights, I couldn't tell you a

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<v Speaker 1>song from that movie. And the and again, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the plot is written in between a fixed point, so

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<v Speaker 1>Wicked does not look to change any of the original

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<v Speaker 1>story of the Wizard of Oz. It only seeks to

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<v Speaker 1>give backstory, and the backstory is subversive about the characters

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<v Speaker 1>we've known. For whatever reason, someone came along and said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna write a different backstory. That's where the original

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<v Speaker 1>novel Wicked comes from. For me, it was difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>sit here and watch this movie in twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>when it is a film about the government overtly lying

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<v Speaker 1>to the people, and a black woman, a black woman

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<v Speaker 1>who has been falsely accused and essentially deemed a terrorist,

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<v Speaker 1>is now fighting against that. She's fighting against that oppression,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fighting against that oppression, she's discovering that she

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<v Speaker 1>has no allies and that all of the people who

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<v Speaker 1>know her and understand where she's coming from have all

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<v Speaker 1>decided JK. I'm just gonna, you know, keep my head

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<v Speaker 1>down and keep working for the oppressive government, which makes

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<v Speaker 1>it for a strange film as it continues, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand the relationship between Glinda and Alphaba, how it

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<v Speaker 1>evolves the way it does, why Alphaba would feel fierce

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<v Speaker 1>loyalty to Glinda except for that they went to college together.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand the motivation behind the wizard hating animals.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't. I don't know if I miss something,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's really frustrating because I'm sure it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>understand why he wants to kill or exile all the animals, kill,

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<v Speaker 1>capture or exile all the animals, and doesn't want I'm talking,

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<v Speaker 1>and why they need a bad person. It's very, very

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<v Speaker 1>confusing the motivation of these characters. At some point, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at Madam what's her name played by Michelle Yeo

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<v Speaker 1>who cannot sing. She cannot sing. They should not have

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<v Speaker 1>her singing one line. It was bad. I remember, I'm like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you flat? And like, stop doing you got

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<v Speaker 1>to go to some lessons. You only had to sing

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<v Speaker 1>like two lines, and they both sounded awful, and they

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<v Speaker 1>put that in the final movie. And I love Michelle Yo,

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<v Speaker 1>but I hate her in this film. And maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>the characterization. But I also was like, but the writing

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<v Speaker 1>is also stupid because everyone just keeps they keep harping

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<v Speaker 1>on the fact that the Witch is evil, she's wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, she's wicked. But there's no real motivation.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not like getting a bunch of gold from Oz

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<v Speaker 1>and reveling in their wealth. It just feels like they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing all of this to protect the Wizard from being

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<v Speaker 1>denounced as a fraud, which I don't know that him

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<v Speaker 1>being denounced as a fraud is that bad, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean? Like, I don't think that the consequences

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<v Speaker 1>for that are They're just gonna run you out of town. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>You're just gonna end up going back to Kansas or

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you're from. You know, it's very If you think

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<v Speaker 1>too much about this plot, it's not enjoyable. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>because they made a whole movie about the second half

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<v Speaker 1>of the musical, it's easy to be like, oh, man, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this bad. This don't make no sense, and it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't, and also I don't In twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>after being forced to have watched The Running Man and

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<v Speaker 1>the Long Walk, it's a really frustrating film because it

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<v Speaker 1>requires me to tolerate foolishness from characters that you should

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<v Speaker 1>know better. I feel like the way we tell stories

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<v Speaker 1>should be changing. Now. We have to start talking about

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<v Speaker 1>why folks embrace lies and what's comforting about the lies.

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<v Speaker 1>If multiple characters in the movie embracing lies, I need

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<v Speaker 1>you to dig into why. But of course it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to do that because this musical was written twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five years ago, and I guess the only purpose in

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<v Speaker 1>me saying that is nothing's changed in twenty five years.

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<v Speaker 1>The lies have gotten more overt. So if you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make a movie like this at twenty twenty five about

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<v Speaker 1>government oppression and a fraud of a wizard, it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like you could say it with your chest, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna do that because you got a full budget.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a full budget, and it's gonna be everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>and you have to dance around it a bit, which

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<v Speaker 1>makes the whole movie just feel even dumber. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was dumb when it was written, and now it's even

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<v Speaker 1>dumber for me to watch today because now I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>watch y'all play in my face about oppression, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just I just shouldn't have to do that. We're watching

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of folks be complicit in the government propaganda machine,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's exhausting. That's an exhausting plot. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>truly a terrible story. And also Neessa Rose really sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>The Wicked Witch of the East, which is Alphaba Cynthia Rivo,

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<v Speaker 1>her sister in the film, she sucks. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make these people black again, as I always say,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to be informed as to what race means

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<v Speaker 1>in the universe that I'm seeing it in now. I

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<v Speaker 1>will say Alphaba being black does make sense in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of how she's interacting with the government immediately. That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Neessa Rose makes less sense. I don't know. Maybe her

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<v Speaker 1>being more visibly biracial or lighter skinned could play into it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think that that's something that's sought intentionally,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will so, I don't. Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>There's several instances in which I realized that Alphaba is

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<v Speaker 1>just bad at spells. I eat, like the spells she's

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<v Speaker 1>reciting are they're kind of like those cursed jokes where

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<v Speaker 1>you make a wish from a genie and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's like I wish I was I wish I was

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<v Speaker 1>super rich, and you're super rich, but like you're also

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<v Speaker 1>an idiot or something like, I don't know, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. It's like they never worked the way

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<v Speaker 1>that they should. I enjoy that. I just I really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't enjoy it. I think I think it's a dumb story.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Wicked is a dumb story, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>this closes the book on Wicked, as I hope this

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<v Speaker 1>is it. I hope they don't remake this. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>they don't shoot it to Broadway. I hope like there's

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<v Speaker 1>no gritty revisiting of it, just like, let's just be

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<v Speaker 1>done with it. Let's let this be over. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a fair critic and I'm gonna give it three

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<v Speaker 1>out of five stars, because to score it any lower

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<v Speaker 1>would mean that I was penalizing it for something that

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<v Speaker 1>was done again twenty five years ago. So maybe, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I would be benefiting from being burdened by nostalgia,

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<v Speaker 1>because all the folks who like Wicked, who listen to

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<v Speaker 1>this are going to be arguing with me for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, I'm not burdened by nostalgia. And I could

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<v Speaker 1>just tell you this isn't a good story. Tho's connections

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<v Speaker 1>that are really stupid. I just I didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>But to score it lower would be a commentary on

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<v Speaker 1>the story itself and not on the movie that I

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<v Speaker 1>just watched. And I think it's a three star movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people are gonna want to watch it again.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people are gonna enjoy it. I will say

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<v Speaker 1>it's not as good as the first one. There's ways

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<v Speaker 1>in which someone could have just showed me the first

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<v Speaker 1>one and told me what happened in the second one.

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<v Speaker 1>Or if this was a bedtime story and I was

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<v Speaker 1>a child, I'd watch the first one and be like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>good night, I don't and wake up the next day

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, hey, why don't you run that first

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good. I don't need to know what happens to

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<v Speaker 1>them after this. If you just said that Elfhabe flew

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<v Speaker 1>how the rest of this story goes, I'm fine, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need to know what happened to Dorothy and

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<v Speaker 1>be getting this episode on time unless you're in Patreon

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<v Speaker 1>when you are getting it on Sunday. Everyone else should

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<v Speaker 1>once I am not traveling, I am mostly free from obligation.

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<v Speaker 1>I have nowhere to be. I feel pretty good. It

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of plans in the future. I'm actually thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about combining the patreons of Leaving the Theater and Wait

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<v Speaker 1>for It. I'm thinking about revisiting going back to Owits

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<v Speaker 1>useful to be listener supported, useful to be working with

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<v Speaker 1>folks that like the content. And I know there's leaving

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, why not just put everybody in one basket

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<v Speaker 1>where the money that you're contributing that's helping with Leaving

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<v Speaker 1>like thinking about I don't like that or on the

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<v Speaker 1>couch all of the things that are coming through Patreon

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<v Speaker 1>This could be the engine that powers all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>This is all the type of thinking that I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>right now, and it's tough to do all of that

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<v Speaker 1>while also manage an always on review show, plan the schedule,

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<v Speaker 1>and keep all of it moving forward. It's a labor

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<v Speaker 1>of love, but it is labor. Nothing's changing right now,

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<v Speaker 1>So anyone that's in the Patreon, as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>you won't even hear this because I cut this for

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon members. But for anyone thinking about joining the Patreon,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and join it. But there may be a

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<v Speaker 1>change in the future that means that the money that

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<v Speaker 1>you're contributing goes even further, which I think is good.

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<v Speaker 1>So while you're contemplating, if you're thinking about it, this

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<v Speaker 1>means anything. So if any of that means anything to you,

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<v Speaker 1>if my labor means anything to you, this labor of love,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is labor that means anything to you, go

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<v Speaker 1>to patreon dot com, slash leave in the theater, or

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<v Speaker 1>go to the link in our show notes. Show art

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<v Speaker 1>from Heather Wilder. Theme music by the Mysterious Breakmaster Cylinder.

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<v Speaker 1>For more information about Wicked for Good, check out our

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<v Speaker 1>show notes. You can follow me on Instagram, Blue Sky, TikTok, Threads,

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<v Speaker 1>Big Round Studios. Leaving the theater will be back soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening. Ronald Young Junior and I'm the Iron

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<v Speaker 1>Iron Giant Man, the Iron Man, the ten Man, the

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<v Speaker 1>ten Man, the ten Iron Giant Man, Iron Man