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Speaker 2: Yeah, people were commenting before started, so there's lots of
lots of this going on with this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're talking.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a very DC heavy cast because
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We have some DCU details that James is gonna and
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Speaker 4: And then we're gonna talk about some rumored projects. So
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Speaker 4: But yeah, let's get into this. I was gonna ask, do.
Speaker 2: You know anybody in real life that's seen Superman? I
know it sounds like a yeah segue to like it
did terrible.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. I was just curious, So what
do they think I got?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a chap that I work with shouts out to Kelly.
I'm just gonna do a name job.
Speaker 1: Why not. He went and saw it late show Friday evening.
Speaker 3: I gave him, you know, my my quick little spoiler
free thoughts of it, and he told me he told
me six out of ten.
Speaker 4: Oh, and like.
Speaker 3: It was like a very nonchalant six out ten. Like
he's like, yeah, no, I thought it was six out
of ten. He's like, I thought it was fine, but
like the humor didn't really work for him. Crypto didn't
really work for him. And I think, I mean, I
haven't really gotten deep enough in the lore of his
his DC fandom, but just the vibes, I think he
might be a Snyder. I think he's more of a
Snyder guy when it comes to just the realism or yeah,
that's the wrong word, just like the dark, gritty nature
of the Snyder Suitman film, like, which is fair. They're
definitely very different in style. But yeah, I think I
could have like talked him up to a seven if
I was really like trying to be pro like Superman,
like trying to be pro James Gunn getting him in there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, he.
Speaker 3: Seemed undecided, but yeah, I think that's the only chap
other than like Tyler who went and saw with us.
He wasn't on the review obviously, but he really liked it. Also,
he had a good time. I think he would have
been probably around my score, maybe a little bit less,
but uh yeah nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No one, no one other than that right now, which
I don't know. I don't know if that's surprising.
Speaker 3: Or not, Like I don't have a lot of like
comic book esque fans in my day to day job
or just who I'm coming across. My parents didn't go
see it, although I think they would have really really
liked it. But they're really not theater people. They're they're
more watching at home type of vibe.
Speaker 2: But have they always been that way or they're not
theater people now I'll go into some of our conversations tonight.
Speaker 3: It's like really rare for them to just go see
a movie on their own. Like if they tell me
they're like, yeah, we went to this movie, I'm like,
what the hell? Like it's usually if they have like
a like a voucher. Maybe, Yeah, there's a shame showing,
you know, they rented out a whole theater just to
watch Shame. But like, I feel like my dad obviously
comes to movies with me, but that's like horror movies
that Chay won't come with me and.
Speaker 1: I just or as long as he's free.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jason State he actually went and saw The Working
Man without me, which I was really bummed about. He
took his his buddy who who we brought to Beekeeper.
He's such a State and fan it's hilarious. But yeah, no,
they definitely don't go with it like on their own.
But if it's like a big event movie like the
next Avengers, I'm sure just hype we'll get them interested
and my mom will come to that. I think the
last movie I saw with my mom would have been
the Barbie movie. Oh yeah, she because my dad and
I did Barbenheimer and then my mom bowed out after Barbie.
She didn't want to sit for the three hour talking drama.
But yeah, so definitely not theater people. But I don't know,
they're interested enough and kind of like the big movies
are coming out and it's always fun when they like
send me like I don't know, an article or something
about like Superman, Like did you see this? Like mom,
like we did a cast on that like two weeks ago, Like.
Speaker 2: What what was the latest article?
Speaker 3: I'll have to look what was this is? This is
like Aaron dirty laundry. My parents probably watching this right now.
They're probably just gonna be messaging me here.
Speaker 4: But white, look at that. Just got home seeing Superman
for the third time. I'm still just as good. Look
at that. Yeah, it's I just asked.
Speaker 2: It's been interesting because I feel like everybody so off.
So we did our review. You can check that out.
Very fun We were not exactly so yeah, because what you.
Speaker 4: Were you were like a nine.
Speaker 2: Taylor was like a you know, I won't spoil all
those scores you go, I gotta go listen to it, but.
Speaker 1: You can spoil me.
Speaker 2: You were the highest, Taylor was below, and then I
was the lowest. And it's funny because then I went
on vodka stream and that was like a whole room
of mixed people.
Speaker 4: Every when I've talked to, Oh, there's Taylor Field, you know,
just looking at yeah, getting a tattoo to ruin more
geek first plans, But I digress. I can't say what
they are. We got big project plans, some of these
physical like should I got a tattoo that day? I'm like,
I don't know. He's like, I'm gonna do it. Uh anyway,
Josh Way, yeah, you had a foreign letter box.
Speaker 2: But this is what I'm saying between even us and
then when a vodka stream and then our discord. It's
what I said on the review and hashtag Tress told you.
I said, I don't think it was gonna.
Speaker 4: Be like last Yeday and BBS.
Speaker 2: Where it's like this fucking ruined. No, I didn't think that,
but I thought it was going to be a devisive movie,
and so far it is because I just like set
Mike just saw it, and I just saw that, and
I feel like there's a bunch of people that are
all over the map, and detail says.
Speaker 4: I feel like I don't know how anyone.
Speaker 2: I don't know anyone who thinks it's a ten at ten,
but also nobody that hates it. I know somebody I
know if you that hate it, I don't think I
know anyone that has a tenet And even in my
letter box, I have to check. I don't think I've
seen a perfect five, which is I feel like that's
kind of kind of rare, so let me just do
a quick look.
Speaker 3: But I feel like they took a lot of swings
with the with specifically the humor and just some some
choices around the humor, being like there's a lot of
humor in the movie, but like a lot of the
humor is kind of different and like from different angles
or like different characters making the jokes. So I feel
like it kind of is impossible to hit everyone's funny
bone with that, or sorry, somebody hitting on all of
the jokes.
Speaker 1: You when you go that route. But that's just my
my armchair quarterback theory there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so have to see all the next few little
bit because yeah, what we're talking about today is is
the Superman's box office concerning is it in trouble?
Speaker 4: Is it? I don't know. I just put the headline.
Doesn't mean I agree. Before I see someone dropping jump
down and I throw it's discussion.
Speaker 1: Did you read thumbnail.
Speaker 4: Thumb? I liked the thumb.
Speaker 2: Now it's I don't know if I can share it,
but it's like, yeah, you can take a look, David
Cornswit's on there and then in the back, Cavil and
Passing are looking over them.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, yeah, so you do that. I did do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I do the news weekly geek now, because
I was just tired of Taylor like halfway into the
cast and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm still working on it. I was like, okay,
it's not there.
Speaker 2: Half the battle people clicking on the video is a
great thumb now, you know, but let's se Josh Wait
says the lowest rating I know.
Speaker 4: Was Restarts, which I think is solid.
Speaker 2: I think I yeah, I know a couple of people
that did fail it, so but mostly like the lowest
ones are in those three kind of what I feel like.
I've seen a lot of my score, which is you know,
meane like a three out of five and stuff like that.
But yeah, so it debuted at one hundred and twenty
five million. So what I'm gonna do here is kirkle
I'm gonna kind of rattle off some facts and just
a few little.
Speaker 4: Things here, and then I'll kind of get your opinion
on there. I will. I think you're gonna point when
I was gonna say, but continue.
Speaker 3: Well, not to interrupt you or anything, but before you
don't have to give me the answer now, but before
you finish your next statement, can you remind me what
the budget was for Superman?
Speaker 4: So it was two twenty five. And then if you
believe variety, like.
Speaker 2: I think DC put out to variety, so I'm sure
it's not exactly true, but they said there was one
hundred million dollar production budget or marketing budget, which I
like on top of the yes, so a total three
twenty five. And usually what you want to do is
make double because most of the time you kind of
split it's like a fifty five forty five or sixty
forty with like you split the money with the theater
and stuff like that. So that's why the message is
always you want to double your budget. So the break
even point at this would be about what that'd be
like three twenty five times, so that'd be like six
fifty six, which is tough.
Speaker 1: That's what you got to hit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which which is funny because I think we were
all in that realm. So to give credit to you,
you got this one right because you said it was
gonna be one twenty for our predictions of opening weekend,
I said one forty because I let people fucking talk
me out of it. Because I remember I did Tras
Told You, and there's a couple people in the chat
and everything they're talking about this, and I was like,
I just don't have anyone like my comparison was the Batman.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm gonna use a comparison with that.
Speaker 2: People would either after they saw it or before, like, oh,
I can't wait for the Batman, right Superman. I know
nobody in my real life that has still been like
I can't wait for Superman. It's always people you guys
Discord podcast.
Speaker 4: Related like a Vogua stream Scott stuff like that. You know,
Gua or you know my kids.
Speaker 2: I don't know a single person still in my real
life that's like I'm going to see Superman, you know?
Or even my dad, who for a while is like
I'm kind of checked out comic movies. When he saw
that Batman trailer was like whoa, Like that's something really special, right,
And even then it not a huge leap, right, Like
Superman Open at one twenty five and yeah Taire had
one oh five to one ten, So you beat.
Speaker 4: Him, you won this time, And then I won Jurassic World.
Speaker 2: I was like for the three days, close enough, not
on a good streak, so maybe f four Hill went
out there, but this made one twenty five. The Batman
made one thirty four, So it's not like that far away,
like they're pretty within shooting distance. The only difference is
with that is Batman did open up during COVID, Right,
it wasn't the height of COVID, but it was still
like the you know, reduced seating and everything like that.
Speaker 4: They still had like a very short window.
Speaker 2: Yeah, passports and all that stuff. Yeah, tons of people
still couldn't even see it. But yeah, some stats where
it was open there. It was the third best opening
for the year, which you know, not too bad behind
Leelo and Minecraft. Ninth biggest opening of Warner brother history.
It's global was two twenty and we're gonna talk about
that in a second because Aucaman's global weekend, so that's
the international and domestic. Auckman twos was one oh eight,
The Flash was one thirty, Black Adam was one forty two,
man O Steel was two thousand, was two hundred, and
then The Batman was two fifty eight, and then Wonder.
Speaker 4: Woman was two twenty eight. So those are kind of.
Speaker 2: The two contention points all tell you before I get
to the points that I think people are freaking out on.
Speaker 4: But the two contention.
Speaker 2: Points, of course are tons of people doing victory laps
and certain fandom because mess still opened at one twenty eight.
It's very funny because there's a lot of controversy on
Sunday morning because a lot of the uh, you know,
big websites were reporting that Superman had the biggest Superman
opening of all time. The reason is is because back
in the day when they counted opening weekends in twenty thirteen,
they didn't count the Thursday night previews, so in all
the sites it's one sixteen. But really, if you look
at the that weekend, like the same measurement, Man of
Steel did open bigger. Before that, a bunch of people
were making a big deal even though well, the inflation,
the inflation.
Speaker 1: That's so funny.
Speaker 2: The inflation, to me is the dumbest thing ever. I'm
not saying it's not important. It's fun to look at,
but the thing is, there's so much that has changed
since twenty thirteen to now, and even then when people
bring up that game, it's like, well, then Superman the
movie would have been a one point five billion dollar movie.
You look at Mass Steel and be like, Man, what
a drop off from that? And like Man of Steel
had not gone through COVID, there's no streaming. Superman's probably
gonna be on vod in like forty five sixty days.
Like none of that was Man of Steel. And for
everybody that's like being crazy taking the lapse there. To me,
Man of Steel, which was successful, still couldn't even and
BBS hit the billion dollar mark in the craze of
the superhero stuff like Dark Knight, Rises, Avengers, those were
hitting a billion, Mans Steel, bvs even BVS, which I
don't care people argument all the time, only that's not
the bar. No Batman versus Superman the first movie ever
should have made a billion dollars. But of course, even
without inflation, Man of Steel did beat Superman and Kirk.
What the concerning part is is that the international box
office was a lot lower than projecting, because at one
point was projected to be around like a three hundred
global opening, because even Taylor messaged me, he's like, oh
man is drastic world in trouble. But it went from
like a projected three hundred to like a two twenty.
So domestic doing pretty well. Because even here's some good
facts for you too.
Speaker 4: Who people that are wondering how it would be. Actually,
I'll hold off that. I'll get your pinion here in
a second because there's some other stuff.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the international is what's lacking, and that seems
to be if this movie is gonna be a big
hit and maybe you know, at least.
Speaker 4: Profitable, it's gonna rely really heavy on.
Speaker 2: The domestic because even somewhere in China it made like
only like seven eight million dollars, Like China was not
digging this movie.
Speaker 4: There's lots of theories of like, oh, is it too
American or a Superman Just like I've said before, people
just not care about Superman anymore and stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so alsoly there's some good stuff there, like
third best opening year, Like there's some good stuff, and
then there's also some some mess stuff. But then at
the same time, this is the last fact I'll get
before I got some other ones. It had one of
the let's see, so that's a funny thing where I
didn't beat the Batman. But it's Monday, where is it here?
Speaker 4: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: One, two, three, four five. It's the fifth biggest Monday
for a DC movie ever. It beat the Batman it
beat Aukaman be wonder Woman. So it's kind of all
over there's some projections that's supposed to have a very
good Tuesday, maybe the biggest Tuesday.
Speaker 4: Of the year, cheap Tuesday.
Speaker 2: So right now it's sitting at I'll get you the
total number here, but so it's kind of one of
those things where, like a lot of the other movies,
we're gonna have to see what the other weekends are like.
Speaker 4: But right now it's sitting at two thirty.
Speaker 2: Two after the first weekend, and it's gonna be really
about what that second week and drop off.
Speaker 4: So what do you think about that?
Speaker 2: Obviously, congratulations being ran in the prediction there, but what
do you think about the international?
Speaker 4: What do you think it's.
Speaker 1: Leg the international Man of Steel and.
Speaker 4: The Man of Steel Globe was two hundred billion, and then.
Speaker 1: This was uh fantastic.
Speaker 2: No, no, that was altogether so everything to oh, yeah,
I don't have just the International. I could try and
find that out for you here, but let's find out
what was bigger or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: I am surprised just because to me this feels like
like the Mount Rushmore hero under the DC banner, and
this is like the fresh take on James Guns DC.
Like this is really setting us off, even though this
is already you know verse, it's been underway with the
likes of Creature Commandos and Peacemaker and such like that,
but it this feels like the like almost like the
first well I was gonna say, like the first Avengers film,
but I guess that would be the first Justice League,
So that's kind of a bad comparison there. Yeah, but
like just like a big movie in the DC realm
that we're starting this journey. So I just thought it
was gonna be a much bigger deal, Like I thought,
like a billion.
Speaker 2: International though, because you were right on the domestic though,
so you didn't domestic you hit with a bullet.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I impressed myself sometimes with some of
those predictions. But just like the lifespan of the movie,
like in the theaters, like I just thought this was
like a guaranteed billion I feel a little bit less
so that now. But like international wise, I think this
maybe just like be a good like highlight of like
maybe Superman isn't as like special or cool as maybe
we thought he was. I just like having this the
character because that was one of the earliest exposure I
had just superhero characters in general, and I feel like
he just like embodies just like the most stereotypical superhero
that you'd imagine.
Speaker 1: He flies, super strong, handsome.
Speaker 3: Some white dude, Like it's just like the most vanilla
version of a superhero. But I feel like the archetype
of what Superman is has been just done better. And
like I think that's just a case of like the
evolution of just storytelling and people designing interesting superheroes or characters,
whether that's through.
Speaker 1: Like the infinite animes that.
Speaker 3: Are out there that have their own superhero type characters
to even something like Invincible of like Omniman is a
way more interesting Superman to me, you know, just like
what that character is.
Speaker 1: Obviously they're very different.
Speaker 4: To be like that.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, Like like he's a very Superman is
a better individual, uh morally, I would say, and just
as a good guy, but just for storytelling, like it's
just more interesting of having a character with way more
layers than Oh yeah, I know, he's just he's just
all good. But I don't know, I don't want to
downplay what Superman is because I think this movie actually
did a pretty good job at balancing that, whether it
was him thrown in the middle of like the controversy.
I'm not gonna talk too much about the movie, but
just yeah, like the controversy stuff that he's kind of
placed in between. I think this movie does a good
job of kind of making.
Speaker 1: The character feel like he has more layers.
Speaker 3: But I think what I'm trying to get at is
just like the overall interest in a Superman flick and
just I don't know, I maybe it just hasn't been
that long either, Like but even then, like what was
the time between Man of Steel? So from Man of
Steel to this is twelve years, so then what would
Man and Steel be too?
Speaker 2: Superman Returns that was twenty sixteen, so what's that's like
seven years? And many bomb pretty not a bomb.
Speaker 4: It was underwhelming for them.
Speaker 3: But even then, you guys, I was a massive time
jump too, because that would have been from the Christopher
Reeve film, right, and then it's like that.
Speaker 4: Was eighty eight was the last one.
Speaker 2: But even then, even with Man still you got to
think he was still in the zeitgeist as far as
BVS was twenty sixteen and then Justice League was twenty seventeen,
but then the Sneyer cut was twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: I think ten twenty one.
Speaker 2: So it's like there's been other Superman's around, right, But
and there's like a big debate too if like I
see people say it's bullshit because it's the generalized, I
see people say it's a real thing. I still almost
wonder because I don't know where I am on that
I've still because I'll just throw out the theory and
because I don't know where I am I as far
as like the state of DC, because not countying Batman,
Batman was a huge hit you look at I don't
know from like, let me look at I'll pull up
the DC films that were in the last little bit here,
and it's not been I'm not saying I disliked them all,
but let's see before Superman, I'll say, until like, let's
go after COVID. You had one Woman nineteen eighty four,
your births break, which I like a lot. Yeah, the
SUSI Squad I like as well. But then you got
Black Adam, you get the Batman, I'll say, like a lot.
But then you got Auquaman two, you got Blue Beetle,
you got Hizam Fury Gods, You're got Joker, fully of
Ad and they got the Flash, which is another controversial.
Speaker 4: So that's the thing where I feel.
Speaker 2: Like most of these other than I'd say that Batman
are all like because even Birds of Prey, there's tons
of people that hate that. Like I think the BENI
is the only solid one that people I would say,
I I would say the majority, but a high percentage
of people.
Speaker 4: Think it's good or even if they don't like like
love it, they go, oh yeah that's good. You know,
well maybe but not for me, right.
Speaker 3: Aren't every single one of those movies too that you
just listed other than the Batman, like Bombs Like, didn't
they like bomb financially either.
Speaker 2: They lost money or very much underwhelming. Auckaman too, like
didn't lose money, but it was like went from a
billion to half.
Speaker 1: A billion, right yeah, so yea yeah, damn.
Speaker 2: Detail says Superman has always been my favorite Superhior. I
didn't realize how much it was in the minority. I was, Yeah,
I've liked it more as I got older, but as
a kid, I didn't gravitate to those characters, and I
suppose brings up point that I've actually heard no one say,
which is a very good point.
Speaker 4: Mans Steel is getting that Avatar three D money.
Speaker 2: Rub kind of forgot about all those three D movies
back in the day that would cost a little bit more.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so it's interesting there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so for me with this, the international who knows,
could be the America thing because that Superman's a very
American character.
Speaker 4: It's not like Captain America did any better rate. It
could do DC stuff.
Speaker 2: It could just be that international markets all around aren't
that hype, and it could just be yeah, maybe Superman
like people don't care as much. I think that there's
some stuff as far as it obviously could have been
bigger because I went one forty and I thought it
was gonna be a bit bigger just with the hype.
But again, we're gonna have to see what word of
mouth does, and it could you never know, it could
have a small drop. We'll see what happens a weekend two.
But you got Fantastic four right around the corner, and
then its legs are probably gonna be cut from under it, right,
So it's really gonna be like Offsely Sinners was a
smaller amount, but you've got to try and get some
sort of good degrees to that type of drop. But
I think for me, all I'm hoping for is this
come from zone that didn't love the film. I hope
that they look at this as like a solid start.
It's not a fair comparison either, because when I say, oh,
you can't really compare it to Man of Steel. I
looked at the Ironman box off today and that was
like five eighty, right, but very different situation. That was
two thousand and eight, But whatever, right, I just look
at the way that you have that, and then right after.
Speaker 4: You at Hulk, which was like a big disappointment, but
they still stuck with it.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of my hope is one WB has
been killing it because they released the F one movie,
which is doing, you know, pretty well.
Speaker 4: They released Minecraft, and I think there's another one of
theirs too.
Speaker 2: So and this is the other thing I wanted to say,
because since I think people it's tough, but because of
COVID and people just not going to movie theaters. I
looked at the last five years and if Superman came
out in the last five years in twenty twenty one,
it would have the second biggest opening twenty twenty two,
I would have the eighth, twenty twenty three it would
have the fourth, and then twenty twenty four it.
Speaker 4: Would have the fourth as well.
Speaker 2: This is something I was talking about on the Voger stream,
where if you look at the top ten this year,
the top five is like that nis A two movie
that's I got a billion dollars, and then it's like
Lelan Stitch Minecraft like nine, like Leo's almost a billion,
and then Minecraft's like nine hundred something, and then the
next movie down is like Mission Impossible, like five seventeen. Like,
I think that's the thing that people, some people still
don't realize, is I think the box office, you're still
gonna get those billions every once in a while, but
I think it's just always gonna be lower for whatever reason, right,
whether it's this age doesn't want to go to movies,
whether it's people after COVID realized, oh I can just
wait at home, because again, these movies still come out
super quick, like even Sinners his box office phenomenon.
Speaker 4: They had Sinners. So that's another one.
Speaker 2: Brother on it's like still forty five days later was
on streaming, right, So it's like you do like, you
don't have to wait that long till even July first,
like that, or July fourth they put on Crave and Max.
It's like, it's not that long from when it came out.
Speaker 4: So that's to me.
Speaker 2: It's like, to me, that's pretty impressive to be in
the since COVID, every year the Superman movie would came out,
it would have had a top ten opening. So that's
why I hope there's not like a situation where I'm
not in the camp where DC should have panicked with Well,
I don't know. I kind of was in the camp
when they should have paned when Man is Steel in BBS.
Speaker 4: But that's for different, that's for quality.
Speaker 2: Because I still also say, and people disagreed with this,
I've said many times that I think those movies drove.
Speaker 4: A lot of people away from DC.
Speaker 2: People going no, no, that's not the case, because it
did so well. I know many people that checked out
at DC. Hey, Liam's gonna be on the Dynamic Doo.
He was a diehard cong fan. After BVS, he was
very out. He's like, I'm not digging this universe at all.
So that's where it's like, I think that you just
got to take it as it's reviewed well. The audience
score on round mail's doing well. The cinema score, which
is when they you know, pull moviegoers, got the same
score as Man of Steel and The Batman, which is
kind of funny.
Speaker 4: The two want to get compared to the most. So
I think you just gotta look.
Speaker 2: And say, hey, this, I'm I'm gonna suit like this
is the third biggest opening of the year behind Leelo
and Minecraft. That's to me, like, I think it's just
that we're gonna have to look at the box office.
Maybe it'll recover, but only it's ever gonna be like
it was like the first five years of podcast and
you just got to look at us like, hey, we
got a winner here, and that's right it out.
Speaker 4: And let's just hope that the sequel to do a little.
Speaker 2: Bit more and maybe that's a chance where people will
see it and like it a lot and just go, Okay,
I'm going to you know, be back for the next
one or be back for whatever it is. Office next
year is gonna be interesting because we have Supergirl. Really
don't know how that movie is gonna go. I hope
that it's a budget proportionally because I've met a lot
or not met. But I've talked to a lot of
people that really did not like that Supergirl.
Speaker 1: Part in audio work. Did not like that at all.
Speaker 2: If it was in the movie, if there were a spoiler,
I would say skip ahead five minutes.
Speaker 4: Because it is sorry about that. They released a photo online.
Speaker 2: So you just felt like, yeah, tons of people where
all of us and other people I talked to, like, oh,
that sold me on the movie, that got me hype
for the movie, where some people did the opposite. And
that's something where it's just like you're telling about James
Gunn style at the beginning, whether it's comedy or the storytelling.
It's very much like the Zack Snyder situation years ago,
but this time it.
Speaker 4: Feels like it's flipped.
Speaker 2: It feels like the people that really hated those movies
love this one. And I won't say vice versa, but
like similar, And I feel like there's people like myself
where man, it's still like I like, but I don't
love it. I have my issues, And that's like this
I like, but I don't love it. I have my issues.
So it's it's interesting to see that it's you know,
how device is gonna be I I, I don't, Well,
all will have to be is for next week and
and see what that that second week can drop of
this because that's what they have, and then F four's out.
And to me, they got the internal goal apparently is
five hundred million, which I think they can hit. I
think anything below five hundred million. I'm not saying he
pulled the shoot or anything. I want them to stick
with the universe.
Speaker 1: But James, hey, it's.
Speaker 2: Contracts coming up soon, so you know it's uh, you
never know, because remember he got signed like when the
strike happened, so I'm not sure if his contract got
t actually yeah, I'm not sure if it got delayed
or put on that or there's an option or whatnot.
But I think that the tough thing is too is Supergirl.
I don't know how that's gonna do. I don't think
clay Face is like a great test we're gonn talk
about later. I think they're gonna make that cheap, but
I don't think. I don't think it's gonna blow out
the box. I think you'll be like, oh, we made
some profit on this movie. Whatever that next movie is
after those two has to be something big. And I
know there's a Lanterns TV show and Peacemaker, but I
think those are different levels. And I think and that's
been the big thing now where it's like, oh, they
gotta do one of them, they gotta do Batman. It's
like they might have to someone Superman two. But if
it's something, let's say it is on the lower end,
because I think we all were about like six hundred.
Speaker 4: I think Taylor was lower. But let's say it is
in the lower end. Do you think that they weather
the storm and go, okay, let's just see, you know,
Zazof put it out a statment, he's very happy, great success,
blah blah.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. This guy fucking booted back around like
everyone's like, look, this is part of the plan. It
doesn't fucking matter what these billionaires think if they want
to just cut corners. So let's say it ends up
like on the lower like it either just makes a
profit or it's a little below because right now again
it's it's doing well, not doing as well as people
were hoping, and it's up the second weekend. Do you
think you know, it's a new Warner Brothers but still
Warner Bros. Do you think they kind of just okay,
let's see how these.
Speaker 4: Next few years go.
Speaker 2: Or do you think there is already some panic and
they start to maybe pull some shoots, not maybe even
get rid of gun, but just or even stuff like well,
I don't know, actually I was gonna say it, but
I actually think the Batman's safe. Now, I'll say selfishly,
I was always wanted the Batman to do better. And
if the Batman does like a whole hundred and one
hundred and fifty million better than Superman, they're d.
Speaker 4: They're not gonna touch his stuff.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, what do you think of it becomes
like a little on the underwhelming.
Speaker 4: Side, which is a possibility. Now again, we don't know.
Next week could have like a thirty four they have
a great hole and then oh they're they're gravy. But
most these.
Speaker 2: Big blockbusters now usually have a big drop. And even
if it opened up one twenty five and let's say
drop fifty percent, that's sixty million. That gets you to
like to like just domestically like somewhere between three fifty
to four hundred and then fantastic fours out and you're
kind of stuck.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, absolutely, you know what this is just
reminded me of since this whole episode's just based around DC.
Right now, I found these puppies, Like at these I
should go full Uh what.
Speaker 1: What even was the event putting on the Uh oh
you're doing that.
Speaker 2: I thought you're trying to make a Clark choke because
I was playing into it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you got the you do got the Batman.
Speaker 1: Uh there we go.
Speaker 4: Now I just look like riddling of that one. He's like, hey, guys,
I hope you.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, this is kind of creepy. We'll see if
a face just appears next to me at some point,
but uh no, getting back to your question, just yeah, underwhelming,
concerned like that, Like like I don't know itching to
pull the shoot right now. I think it's definitely too
early to do any of that. I I don't think
the whole weight of the world or the whole weight
of the success of the DC universe should be just
on this first film, because like, I don't know, the
first Iron Man was really great, but like like comparing
to where we get to and the Avengers, like it's
just such a stepping stone on that journey. So I
think this movie doesn't have to be like a billion
dollars to just be called a pass or anything like that,
as long as it breaks. I don't know, Like what
was the numbers we're thrown around like.
Speaker 1: They're internal goal five hundred. I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I think if it's just five hundred, that is disappointing
because I mean basically.
Speaker 2: They're saying that because I think they know they can
hit five hundred.
Speaker 4: But I feel like that's the nice way, Like, yeah,
it's fine, it's.
Speaker 2: Five hundred, but it's really like I think six hundred
is probably where it actually is. You know, I don't
know for sure, but I'm just guessing. I feel they're
a low wong on purpose, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I in terms of just the second week,
I am very interested on just how that's gonna go, because,
as you've already highlighted, just in recent films, a lot
of the second week drop off has been pretty significant.
And I mean, if you're in James Guns Shoes or
just other people part of these projects, like I think
you're sweating heading into that second weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Like when I heard the.
Speaker 3: Initial first week, especially just knowing that was like domestic,
I didn't realize how insignificant the international is going to be.
But I'm like, I don't know, this seems pretty solid,
like like two hundred or whatever millions, that's what it was.
Speaker 4: It was two I think twenty two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if that was domestic, they would have been laughed
and that would have been like an all timer right there,
you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like when I first heard those numbers, I
was like, Okay, I know that's that's pretty pretty solid.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: We'll We'll definitely have to wait and see and reconvene
maybe sometime next week to talk about it, to just
see where it's at. But I definitely don't think all
the pressure should just be on this first film, because
I don't know, it's not just setting up, Like it's
not like this movie is this is the whole purpose
is setting up the next adventure. But it kind of
is like like like it's a building block for the
entire universe.
Speaker 1: Of the DC.
Speaker 3: So we'll wait and see if what's going on. But
concerned not yet would be my answer, And I.
Speaker 4: Was gonna say, I'm not saying this for the numbers.
Speaker 2: Just think of like whatever the two facts twenty five
to twenty six equivalent it's going to be for these numbers, right.
But to go back on the wedding side I talked about, so, yeah,
Ironman was five eighty five, but then you got Hulk
that came out like a few months after that was
two sixty five, okay, And then after that was thor
at four forty nine, and then Captain America was three seventy,
and then Ironman two was let's see so and even
then I'm actually surprised, So I think I've messed this
up in my head. Ironman one was five eighty Iroman
two was six twenty, still like above the other one,
but I thought it was a bigger leap than that,
which is still kind of crazy. You think about Ironman
two's it's biggest one at six twenty, and then a
couple of years later Avengers were going to make a.
Speaker 4: Billion dollars, right, The trajectory of.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense if you look at the way
it was going up. It went up by like sixty millions,
so you would think, oh, Avengers might be like seven
eight hundred, you know, wise, because you built anticipation and
people liked those other movies, because even maybe Hulk loop
Field dogged on in the beginning, but people were generally
positive on Captain America and thor and then Iron Man two.
Speaker 4: I think people didn't.
Speaker 2: Care because that was like people loved Downy, right, So
it's like, even though it's no one is like a
lesser movie, you just love seeing Downy.
Speaker 4: So that's my point.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm not saying it has to be those
exact numbers, even though Fuck the Iron like Thunderbolts and
Captain America are this year rocking those numbers, right, Thunderbolts
is three ninety one and Caps like four twenty five
or something that, like their back Dempsey. So it's like
it is kind of like in the same ballpark. So
if you were to let's say this gets to that
like an Iron Man like five eighty, and then even
the next one you make, there's more time. David quorns
what will pop off? I think I think he's a
likable guy. All this stuff of coming up like him
on his Qua Gon like quotes or talking about James Bond,
like I think he's getting a Glen pale Esh reputation
where it's like you just want to hang out and
grab a beer with the guy or a line. Ricky
and Rachel Boss, Like, I think all that will.
Speaker 1: Help a guy you want to wrestle on the sand.
Speaker 4: You know, I loved wrestling the same.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I want to be doing the dodge ball do
some Roman to the football scene from Top Gun. You know,
shirt's off, you know, let's get hard, you know.
Speaker 1: But the one Republic song or whatever, Yeah.
Speaker 4: What a beg that was?
Speaker 2: You know, that's I just know, like Barbie and that
such summer vibe movies. You know, that's like you want
to be watching with a lemonade. But yeah, so for me,
like and I oh Mike when he asked a question
a couple weeks ago, Like movies in the water, Barbie
and Top Gun, those are two other ones, like just
to watch that. But that's my point of like stick
with it for like just a bit oviusly everything could
change in a year when days assholes like hey, we're
selling Warner Brothers and Apple bias them, like hey, James
Gunn fuck off, Like who knows, But I say, still
stick with the plant and to the point, and I'm
happy about that. James Gunn, whether he was telling the
complete truth or whether he was lying through his teeth,
you stick with the Matt Reeves Batman two thing, you go, yeah,
let's just let that happen, because guess what if it's
a hit, then your studio is making money. If it doesn't,
let's say for some reason people don't want to, like
it's been too long since Batman two, then you can go, oh,
you know, like thanks memories, but we're gonna start going
our own direction, right, So if Zasov is cool, just
to let it play out hopefully supercool. Budget is fine,
And Clayface I think will be proper because I think
they're gonna make that for like thirty forty million to
release in October.
Speaker 4: Done.
Speaker 2: That's easy, Like that's a good Like we'll talk about
the plot details later. I'm getting less and less excited
for that movie, but I think it will work out
for them. And then I don't know if they have
is there a movie after Clayface or is it just
people thinking like, oh, we're gonna.
Speaker 4: Get wonder Woman or because we've got brain in the
bold but we don't have a date on that. They
gonna let's see where's announced projects here.
Speaker 2: To hang on here? Okay, so right now I don't
want TV get.
Speaker 4: That out here.
Speaker 2: Okay, So clay Face. Yeah, that's the problem is it's
just it's Clayface, and it's the Authority TVD, the Brave
Old TVD, Swamp Thing TVD. And then these rumored projects
of Teen Titans TBD, Sergeant Rock, Wonder Woman, Justice League,
breat Maine and Desk Joke whatever. Right, So I think
you kind of you know, I know James Gunn doesn't
want to copy the MCU. I think you kind of
copy it where you go unless Batman and Woner Woman
was ready and Batman it's kind of tougher because you
gotta wait to see what's going on brain both. I
think you do Superman, you got Supergirl, Great Lanterns, And
then I say, like, is it if in twenty twenty
seven Kirkle and if you were to get another Superman movie,
whether that be Superman two or a team up movie
or him and Supergirl? Is that too much to have
twenty twenty five, twenty six, and twenty seven, like all super.
Speaker 3: What's projects six or a Supergirl? I guess right, Yeah,
So I was gonna pitch it.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, hey, you should do a you
could you should do a sequel right away like iron
En did right, it was two years later, but at
the same time because a Supergirl, I bet Corn Sweat's
probably in there.
Speaker 4: Is that too much super Kryptonian people? Like three years
in a row?
Speaker 2: Would people like, Yeah, I'm kind of done, Like now
I'm kind of walking back that maybe and maybe that's
where you do make sure there's a one rooman in
that Slaught or someone else, you know.
Speaker 3: So I think it's just a lot of if it's
only them, but like not to again just keep spoiling
more stuff about Superman. But like there's other what do
they call them? I almost said in humans, demi Demi,
Like no, they have a word for just their mutants,
meta humans exactly, Like like there's there's meta humans in
that universe, so like seeing more super people, like there's
meta humans everywhere, Like well, like we're just I feel
like that is something that is kind of already established
in this DC universe. Is like meta humans are prevalent.
It's not just like how we we're in Iron Man
one and then like the first time we see Thor
it's like, oh my god, there's a god.
Speaker 4: It's a god.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it's kind of Soldier Frozen Ice. Yeah, and
watch Ironman one. It's just a tech guy. Like it's exactly,
there's no aliens.
Speaker 2: It's just a tech guy until neck Fear's like, hey,
you heard about the Avengers?
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, no exactly, and we go into space
and then it's just game over.
Speaker 4: But what if I lay this one on you?
Speaker 2: Because as right now fingers crossed October first, twenty twenty
seven or so, was Get the Batman Part two. Maybe
what you do, is, James gun is you do another
My pitch is another clay face type in twenty twenty seven,
do another smaller project and then hope that The Batman
pops off, and then you make your money because that's
gonna be They've said it's a DC Studios film. There'll
be you know, at least HEP's on it. If that
is like your big winner for the year, you could
take another gamble on a clay you know, a clay
face type, you know, some mister something like that.
Speaker 4: And then now my pitch is two thousand and eight.
That's when you come back with Core and Sweat or
whatever he's gonna be doing.
Speaker 2: You attach, you know, attach a Superman two trailer to
the Batman. You know done, you know, that's so that's
my that's my pitch. And again, if corn Sweat is
in Supergirl, then you're kind of crossing off, right, like
you're kind of seeing him again. So I think that's
the route is give him a break for twenty twenty seven,
but promote and then you know, let the Batman, you know,
have his time. Then again you can see same thing
whether it's a massive hit or not. Because the same
thing it's a massive hit, James gun hands are kind
of tied. It's like, well, well, I can't really get
rid of this, right. I'm not saying he does. I'm
just saying if he wanted to.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I feel like that is a good play
on their behalf because it's kind of a win win situation.
It's like, Okay, if it doesn't do well, then it's
just kind of on an on an island on its own.
You can kind of just let it rest there and
then focus on your new DC universe, you know, like
if your James gunn here, but and then as as
you laid out, like if it does pop off, if
you have a clay face interjection, maybe that's how we
get the transition into combining the universes. But like whether
that's Superman Batman crossover, but like just the tone of
the two projects is so on the other sides of
the spectrum to me, I don't know, Like I I
feel like it could work, but like if we get
a Superman being more dark gritty, like that's just getting
towards the more Snyder stuff.
Speaker 1: So what are you to do? Are you gonna get
Batman to be less dark and gritty?
Speaker 2: I think so, I think like you, But I think
you're definitely getting blue and gray. I know, James, like
I don't know what we're doing.
Speaker 4: I think definitely doing that.
Speaker 2: I think at some point on the podcast when we
do get there, I think, just the same way that
people say the movie is very much like the Superman
animated series, I think that's what well Batman will be,
like it'll be, you know, I because James says he
doesn't want to be like a campy Batman, so that's
good to hear. But you also can't go to the
Pattison route. So I think you just gotta go a
bit more lighter and very fantastical, like whoever the brain
Bowl villain is man Bad mister Freeze, like make it
so poppy, make it so out there where it's like, oh,
you'd never see this Matt Reeves Batman right, So s
bubs get the fuck at it, passing Bruce Wayne learning
from Jimmy Olsen.
Speaker 4: With fucking drop right here. Shut the fuck.
Speaker 1: No, Jimmy Olsen will come up later.
Speaker 4: We don't give me.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll come up all right. Details said we'd
be wrestling David corn Sweat like bored Miroh. I will
Man's like six foot five. I'm gonna look like a
little child compared to him, but I'll let him wrestle.
Speaker 1: Me like it.
Speaker 2: Kim Days says Dvcios is going to have to earn
back some trust audience.
Speaker 4: Superman isn't going to be enough.
Speaker 2: And see, that's what's so funny, because I have friends
on both sides that where they say nope, and I
someonet agree where the general audience doesn't know difference between
Marvel and DC, and I agreeed that to a point,
but then I still agree with super like if you
take that stuff out, it's still Superman. And to my point,
I was saying earlier Man of Steel in BVS. I
know many people that really didn't like those and we're out,
So take out the brand, just Superman as a character.
If you really didn't like those and you saw another
Superman might be yeah, I'm good. Even if it's poppy
and colorful, you might be like, Man, I really didn't
like those last few Superman movies, you know, So I
agree with you there, Kevin, where Superman in general I
think needs to be healed a little bit. I'm not
saying whatever you think about the movies, those are I
think a lot more deeper and a lot more.
Speaker 4: Troubled.
Speaker 2: Not the production or like the quality. I just mean
as far as it's Superman twenty twenty five, asked him questions.
But the Henry cavill and I feel is way more
dire and way more You're not feeling good walking out
of the theater right where there's so many people walking
in this at all, I felt hopeful. I felt great
walking at this right like what Man of Steel? Like
very dire movie.
Speaker 4: They commit a nine to eleven at the end and
then bbs, Superman's fucking dead. So it's it's like the
two movies.
Speaker 2: And I know he's in Justice League, but he wasn't
advertising and he's not in as much like both those
movies don't have great things, you know, like same thing
you're watching a man let his dad die for a tornado,
like not a great time at the theaters, you know,
don't thank God?
Speaker 4: Uh mister milk toast? Am I saying that? Right? Is
that milk toast? How would I say that? Milk toast?
Speaker 1: Milk toast?
Speaker 3: And then his profile pictures as for breakfast milk toast,
So he's.
Speaker 4: Really he spelt milk differently in his name.
Speaker 2: He's he's like Maddie French Italian.
Speaker 1: I see he's now he felt milk in French, but
it is now.
Speaker 2: Using the Superman family or for a Kirk, somebody using
the Superman family as they threw line to introduce all
the other medic humans movie by maybe would be.
Speaker 4: An interesting hook.
Speaker 2: It would be as long as the audience isn't on
Superman right or Supergirl whatever, like the Kryptonians, because if
they're not and you're doing the big storylines there and
it's like, well, people keep missing them because they don't
see this right. It's like when you had the Marvel's
end credit have you know, spoils that, but you had
uh proton or photon going to like a different universe
that had Kelsey Grammer's beast, and it's like, well, same
thing with Thunderbolts, right, like to an extent, like big
stuff happen at the end and the end credits.
Speaker 4: But that's one of their lowest rated movies. That's a
tough thing where it's like, well.
Speaker 2: I guess you're just hoping that it does Gangbusters on
Disney Plus and a lot of people see that.
Speaker 4: Right, I'll go back to the very talk because they
miss some of them.
Speaker 2: Supergirl, super Bad mic So Supergirl is going to be
very interesting next year. The source material is not exactly
what most of your audience friendly. I have not read
the book, but i've heard that. I've heard it's I'm
very excited to read it before. I think I agree
with you that that's an either or. I think that's
people see it and they expect one.
Speaker 4: Thing like Supergirl in you know, a certain appearance in
the movie, and they that's not for.
Speaker 2: Me, or it's so different people love it. It's kind
of like Thor Ragnarok. Now, honestly, Thor Love and Thunder
came out getting the same as success and they went
two hard so kind of turned people off. But thor Ragnrock.
When that came out, that was like a breath of
fresh air. That was something different, something new, and people
loved it for Thor. So what do you think, Kurtla,
do you think something being very kind of less general
audience a bit more out there.
Speaker 4: Is gonna hit with a Supergirl or do you think
they might detract?
Speaker 3: I think general audience wise, it might detract a little bit, but.
Speaker 1: I don't really care. I think they're gonna do.
Speaker 2: It scare though, right because if that movie doesn't do well,
then they say, hey, you greenlet this movie based on
this comic book that's a bit more out there didn't work.
Speaker 4: What's going on, Jimmy?
Speaker 3: You know, Jimmy, I don't know anything else. I don't
know anything about the source material, so it's tougher to
really comment on exactly what would be deterring people.
Speaker 1: But like, I think they'll still do a good.
Speaker 3: Job at making it pretty general in the sense of
like anyone can kind of get in there and see it.
And I mean, for what I may or may not
have seen in the Superman movie, I am very much
liking what I got, and it just seems something new
and different than what I've seen in the past. Uh,
I would prefer that Supergirl project to really compare it to,
and I don't think it will be anything like that.
Speaker 4: Well, and even I've seen the TV show. The TV
shows very like c W.
Speaker 1: Vanilla is the vibe I yet like the most very like.
Speaker 2: It's the female Clark, like not exactly, don't I miss speaking.
And I've not seen the whole show, so I'm sure
there's differences, right, I'm sure they're a different personality. But
a few times i've watched, especially when I watched Flash
of Green Air when they did the crossover episodes as
very much like I am Supergirl, you know, it's like, yeah,
that's where like you're right throwing the box office out.
Speaker 4: I want them completely do everything super Girl because.
Speaker 2: I think making a better film and getting the positivity
is the right way to go. But you can only
say it until something bombs, right, and then that's when
true as all. But again, we don't know what the
budget is as far as that. I know Moe was
in there and her, but if you look at the
rest of the cast, it's kind of you know, lesser name.
Speaker 4: So again, if they can keep that reason.
Speaker 1: What you say who's the first name?
Speaker 4: And then off?
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's playing mobile right, so he was just
a minecraft. He's you know, he's a name. Uh, Buster Barnes.
Speaker 4: Actually, let's take I'll take an at breaker here. We'll
keep going here.
Speaker 1: So I'll take these glasses off. I'm getting a headache.
Speaker 4: Put the lights back on too, I will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if people too in the first time, what the
fuck's going on?
Speaker 4: We'll be right back. We're back.
Speaker 2: So yeah, thanks for all the questions, but we're gonna
keep going because we've got lots of stuff. So thanks
for the lively check going on, Buster Barnes.
Speaker 4: Who is here? One twenty nine? Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2: I know, I know you always catch it later or whatnot.
Tell us some time, So on your because I'm not
sure we are says. This was to the question of
is the Superman box office tarlfordcuh he she they whatever, says,
I don't think so. They just just because it's the
first project and it's getting great reviews. If reviews were
more mixed, I'd be concerned. DC just can't reclaim the
audience trust overnight. I agree with that, and the same
thing that Mike pointed out in our discord where we'll
see what Fantastic four goes. But as of right now,
I would say Superman unless something die or like a
seventy eighty percent drop happens next weekend.
Speaker 4: It's on track to beat Thunderbolts in Captain America. Pretty good.
That has good like characters that have been around for
a while. That has Florence Pugh, which is a massive star,
and Anthony Mack he's been around for a while. If
corns but I know it's Superman, but still that's a
lower brand nowadays. As far as like some of the
Dama show has done to it, that's a big deal.
Speaker 2: And if it beats F four, that's a huge thing
because I don't know how F for is gonna do either.
I see so many people talking about, Oh, it's gonna kill,
It's gonna now Superman maybe doesn't do the international.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's a crap shoot dowadays.
Speaker 2: But if it can even be on par with F four,
that's pretty good considering DC's not done that in a while,
barring Batman, right they continue on. Honestly, I doubt we
see any max massive box off wins for DCU until
either Superman sequel or maybe.
Speaker 4: They're Batman movie. Yeah, and even their Batman movie I'm
mixed on.
Speaker 1: Because it'd be like not Batman too, it would be
a new bat No, he's.
Speaker 4: Started like breaking Bowl Batman like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that one I'm even mixed on because I
still we've never seen that, And that's why I want
it to happen, because that's another first of the podcast
to have a To me, it's different of like you
know Jared Letl's Jokers kind of around walking Phoenix. No,
if it is, we have the Batman two and then
tears that are braiding the bowl to Batman's. At the
same time, I'm very curious of Dupio just going, man,
I love Batman, give it to me or is it
like I got Robert Passon.
Speaker 4: I'm good right like that.
Speaker 2: I can't because I could I could see going either way.
I could see dcu's Batman baum R. I could just see, Yeah,
people like Batman. This one's gonna be different because it's
gonna have his son in there. It's gonna be more fantastical.
Speaker 4: So I really don't know.
Speaker 2: I can't and it's same thing. I gotta see the
cast because if they get a really like no name. Sure,
Glenn Pally comes Batman. Then I'm like, hey, now now
we've got a conversation going right, And he said he
said he he didn't really do any superhero stuff.
Speaker 4: He's the only exception would be Batman.
Speaker 2: So it's like to me, if we wake up to
Glen pell playing Batman, that's why it's okay passing, you
might be in a little trouble, you know because like
Glenn Pale and like think about DCU Batman who gets
to be a.
Speaker 3: Bit more charming and Glenn pal Bey in that we
just have a Texas Bruce Wayne like a nice Texas accent.
It's all for me to not see this guy as
like a cowboy. I don't know, like I haven't seen
him play cowboys necessarily. I guess twisters he kind of.
Speaker 4: Is, but he kind of mad to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know it would be full circle because
don't forget I'm not sure if you remember this. He
uh he was in Darknet Rises Baye beat him up
in the bank.
Speaker 1: Glenn Powell, Yeah, you didn't know this. You must have
told me at some point. I'm gonna pull up the clip,
pull it up.
Speaker 2: And you'll show it up there, says I'm still recovering
from again every drop dropped on me for the gimmick. Yeah,
I spos had a terrible prediction and I dropped him
with every bad one there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, find that in the screen shirt. So I got
r J. I going to see you.
Speaker 2: Uh so, he says, I think the box office likes
domestic that are going to be strong. The Monday and
Tuesday numbers from this week are fantastic the presumers, r J.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, but yes, if it
has that fifteen million ish Tuesday, best Tuesday of the
year again, that shows word of mouth. That's like Sinners,
that's like a Barbie Oppenheimer. That's great, right, and that's
what we needed to keep doing, right because the same
thing you myself, who didn't love.
Speaker 4: It, I still want because I want.
Speaker 2: I don't want zaz Off to wake up and to say,
you know what, let's write off super Girl, Like I
don't want to live in the world. I want these
things even if I don't love them. Sony, you know,
Sony Marvel, No, No, that's a different story. But this
I liked this way more and enough be like, yeah,
I want to see more of this, right, let's see
best of the year this far.
Speaker 4: But there's just gonna internationally we talk about that.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if why internationally is a weak and if
they can recover over the next few weeks.
Speaker 4: I'm wondering what they could do to better international marketing.
It's tough, right because if it is just the Superman's
too much with America or Jay you know this. You
guys got some shit going on. You can.
Speaker 2: Until I'd say another three years, You're not gonna be
able to market a certain way, right, And it's like
the tariffs, all like, there's so much other stuff. If
it's just in same thing, it's case by case. It's
just people don't care about Superman. That's what you gotta
hope that Superman. This movie has made people care about
Superman and they like Superman right now. Right, His last
point is or for now, it says, this seems to
be a domestic heavy movie. I think it will likely
finish at.
Speaker 4: Five fifty six fifty.
Speaker 2: I wish it could end seven hundred, but it seems
impossible to the international trends. And yeah, and that's something
where the Batman did better, right that those numbers are
right up there, but Batman is I'd say that's a
tough one for I personally owned Buias. I still personally
say Batman's the biggest here all the time. I know
you're a spidy boy, but what what do you think
not like like en do you think, like if.
Speaker 1: You just the biggest like everything, merchandise.
Speaker 4: Comic book movie, you know? I think those are the two.
I think it's a question who's the top.
Speaker 3: You think it's a fat spidy over Batman just for
like marketing or in the sense of like merchandising wise,
I just feel like he's eating.
Speaker 1: At a market.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for for like children, just like something about red
and blue, like bright colors versus.
Speaker 1: Just dark and dour and like sad character. I feel
like it's just more And it's funny.
Speaker 2: I think they both have the same because you had
Homecoming or Far from Home and No Way Home, and
then he had Dark Knight and Dark Rice As they
got the same amount of billion dollar movies, So I
can't even hit you with that.
Speaker 4: They're both at two, so that's funny. So we'll have
to do a Spider Man four and the Batman.
Speaker 2: So I think it's I think it's tough because I
think you're right, and I think when you got the
younger audience, Spidery for sure, right, but then I think
the older audience go to Batman.
Speaker 1: So but it's so funny. You just reminded me.
Speaker 3: I remember being like, it's actually the same campsite. I'm
going a couple of weeks in August here to see
some family. But when I was there, I was like
ten eleven, and my one of my cousins, my mom's
cousin or something. Him and I had like a heated
debate on because he's like, Batman's better than spider Man,
and like at that time, of course, I'm just like
peak spider Man, Like I don't know anything about any
other characters other than spider Man, so.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, way man.
Speaker 3: Spider Man totally kicked Batman's ass, which I do believe.
You know, of course, he's the greatest detective of all times,
so I imagine.
Speaker 1: And best the seven, best the seven.
Speaker 3: You know, he's he's taking it, but uh in a row,
you know, And that's me showing my maturity, you know,
as as a young lad, I wouldn't have admitted that.
I'm like, fuck, no, Spidery, you would just web them
up and that that would be that. But yeah, it's
just funny like that.
Speaker 4: One year old Kirklan and there's like, oh, yeah, sucks
his crew. Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 1: That's how I talked, That's how I looked. That was
that jacked a his little kid.
Speaker 3: But no, it's just so funny that, like, way back then,
I was having this heated debate on these two characters,
and here we are, all these years later. It's like, yeah,
those are like probably the objective top two absolutely.
Speaker 2: And they're the ones that have overtime because you have
some people like our Man that got huge last two decades, right,
but they weren't always that huge. And then to me
of someone like Superman that look at we talked about
the retros, he was the top dog, but then he
fell off, and I think Wolverine goes ebbs and flows
and got something like a deadpool that's all over or.
Speaker 4: Even something like ten years ago.
Speaker 2: I feel like for DC, Harley Quinn was like the
biggest character in the world, but then it's like, yeah,
that's so it goes.
Speaker 1: I think helps a lot, though I don't think it's
that popular without Margo.
Speaker 2: But that's why I feel like maybe even if Batman
and Spearmen have not always been every year number one,
they had the best percentage.
Speaker 4: Right, Let's say every year you had, hey who sold
the most let's just say.
Speaker 2: Merchandise ten years, you know, top ten for each year
since you know, since characters are created, I bet Spearman
and Batman are in them the most, with the other characters.
Speaker 4: EBB and flow. Right, So let's see, Hulk was up
there for sure.
Speaker 2: Detail when I was a kid that he the trinity
of spe of Marvel was Wolverine, Inspierment, and Hulk. That
was the trinity where bat with DC it was one
of one's a Superman and Batman.
Speaker 4: But Hulk was massive all the kid merged party stuff.
Speaker 2: But now he's dropped. He's not up there, and I'd
like Hulf to get back there. But also sucks that
they can't really do a solo movie, right, so.
Speaker 1: They killed them with Smart Hulk they did, Yeah, which.
Speaker 2: I liked at the time. But nine so the Superman
box us not bad. I think we agree with you.
I think we're just waiting to see. Milka says the
marketing could have been better to be sure the promotion
titians were good, but the use of the cast marketing
certainly aim for a certain demographic. I think that is
a longer conversation which she's seen lots of people just
strapping Kirkland. Hey, I'm happy all these people are here
in the chat. You know, we're gonna get the other topics,
but I'm gonna to take on another uh separate things,
how like how much of an and chat you went to?
How much of an impact do you think influencers really have,
because I think there's a toast is having saying like
tick talkers and all those people where you get tons.
Speaker 4: Of the theaters, right, and I think we talked about
those before where there was this report. Well there's two.
I'm not sure if you heard about this one. Maya
Hawk was she was one to direct a movie or she.
Speaker 2: Is directing a movie and she was casting and they're like, oh, well,
we would prefer she didn't say who the producer, but
we prefer you to have people in the movie that
have like this amount of Instagram followers. And she was like,
that's an awful way to cast a movie. And her
dad backed up on that, And now there's people that
are influencers that are in the movie or they're getting
the screenings before the critics. And for me, I've never
thought I'm not saying it doesn't make any difference, but
how much it's taking over. And at the same time,
I don't know if critics make a difference either. I
think we're in a way time where it is just
kind of people have less money, people are shrapped. I
think they go way more off what their friends say
or just kind of what their family wants to do,
because the same thing you have to kind of pick
and choose. But I've never seen any and I don't
follow any influencers. I just I've never heard anyone tell me, oh,
I'm seeing this movie because of an influencer. Granted it
might be a like a chicken egg right, they might
have seen it from them, didn't even think about it,
and now they want to see the movie. But I
think people that are like the whole tiktoks and trends
and stuff like, I think there's a few ones those
like a hot ones, but even then, like it's tough
because it's part of marketing. But I don't know if
all those kind of let's get on trends and chalks
and let's go do a collab with this very famous YouTuber.
Speaker 4: Like I don't know, like if David.
Speaker 2: QUORNSWA did something with fucking Logan Paul, I don't think
that would have helped this movie. But the companies think.
Speaker 4: That that's like a true thing right now, So what
do you where are you on that?
Speaker 3: I didn't even really know that was a thing, honestly
until you just drop that bombs right now. I'm not
I'm not on the talk No, not the tick, the
talk tic or any of those. I'm adamantly against the
talc tic, but uh say that for an afternoon No,
but uh, I mean, I'm not gonna say it doesn't
have any impact, especially just considering how whatever percentage of
like young youths or people that are above twenty or
under thirty in the age range, maybe that are like
the peak audience for these types of films. I'm probably
way wrong on that demographic. It's probably way higher than that.
But like a lot of people are using the talk
take absolutely, you know, and like they know these influencers, yeah,
one hundred percent, And like these companies, I'm sure they.
Speaker 1: Hire whatever it's called statics. Oh my gosh, stats, experts status.
I need the statics status, I need.
Speaker 4: That, right, you just like make static on people for
some reason.
Speaker 3: But like they employ people that that is their job
to like like the science behind gear, like just getting audiences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to like we do all time too, like not
the exact, but we look at our stats all the time,
right and say, hey, what are people into?
Speaker 4: What are we on?
Speaker 2: There's certain like we've said before, we loved doing comic virgins,
but it was always one of the lower things because
people don't read comic books. So we loved reading a
comic before the movie breaking that down. But even us
as a business have to go, okay, you know, we
have to invest our time, write and same thing.
Speaker 4: There must be some stats.
Speaker 2: But just like I don't know if I think it's
like certain movies too, Like like I don't know why
I would believe you say, hey, we're gonna partner with
influencers on Barbie two, like that's the right audience. Superman, Yeah,
maybe just because there is a bit of superhero fatigue
where people go like cool, I saw him fly by,
like you know, but at the same time, I think
Dave corn sweat getting out there. Being a likable person helps,
but maybe that just helps the point where they go, oh,
I'll watch that at home, right.
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean it's also just like as an actor, that's
probably what you want to do, right. You want to
be seen as a like a like a good person,
so people want to seek you out. It's like, oh,
you know that Jimmy Olsen guy, God damn is he?
Speaker 1: Is he awesome?
Speaker 4: So how do you feel about this quote?
Speaker 2: Michael be Joined a couple of months ago said he
has on social media because Denzel Washington said if they
see for free on the weekday, they're not going to
pay free on the weekend.
Speaker 1: That's such a badass quote.
Speaker 3: There's a meaning to that though, because it's also like
an old time, old timer type quote, Like there's a.
Speaker 2: Lot of special right, like to see be back in
the day, to see a movie star. It's like, oh,
they got a movie coming up.
Speaker 3: But now that's what you mean, Like, man, seeing an
actor on screen is so special in the sixties, Well yeah, obviously,
But now I can fucking stream all of whatever shows I.
Speaker 1: Want, my unlimited data that I have.
Speaker 3: I could be up in the bush somewhere as long
as I have it like access to internet or data
or something like, it's just easy access there.
Speaker 1: I Mean, there was a time when being on TV
show was like you're bombing your career, right, and now
there's just so much.
Speaker 4: Distinction, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think there is some truth to that.
Speaker 3: I think it's more just a badass quote from a
badass yeah, like does a Washington. But I I think
I'm a little bit against the meeting maybe of what
that is and just getting back to what we were
talking about with this, the the impact of the influencers.
I mean, yeah, I don't really follow stuff like that
with the limited social Like I'm on the social media's
but it's mostly just for stupid, brain dumbing things that
I just find funny. Sometimes, uh you know, I'll be
spamming you with some stupid videos here and there. But yeah,
I mean I'm sure it had an impact. I'm just
because people have these I sound so old right now,
but because people have the TikTok in front of them,
like they're just if they're scrolling and they just see
some guy that maybe they follow is like talking super
positively abut Zooper Man, It's like, oh fuck, okay, that's interesting.
I'm interested in that or or in terms to the
Mayahawk example, like that is kind of weird and grimy
and not something I like to hear it when it
comes to them.
Speaker 2: That like thing where I agree with Denzel though I'm
on the side of I don't think people the influencers
to say, hey, I'm Travis.
Speaker 4: I got one billion followers, go see this movie. That
might work.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it works to go, hey, I'm
Travis one billion followers, come see me for this movie.
Because that's literally to pay to see me where I
can see you Travis Snell every.
Speaker 4: Day on TikTok doing that.
Speaker 2: I don't think the I think the studios are dead
wrong about that that influencers with high follower count will
make people go with the movies.
Speaker 4: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: But I.
Speaker 3: I was gonna make what example is it gonna make?
What's Jonathan Bailey? Is that the chap's name?
Speaker 4: Yes from Wicked in Jurassic Yeah.
Speaker 3: From Jurassic Yeah, and The Great Bridgerton. I also feel
like just like the idea of of just show people
being fought, you know, Jimmy Eelsen, but like just just
the impact of like popularity on like people of just
liking certain individuals, Like, Okay, what you just said is
one hundred percent true. It's it's pay to pay to win,
pay pay to see, and you can just see me
on whatever. But like there's just crazy fandoms out there,
like if Taylor Swift appears in that's the fucking James
Guns next project, that's gonna be a billion dollar movies
just because the Swift, like the Swifties are.
Speaker 4: Just gonna imagine the snipe hair. Swiss cast is one woman,
my god.
Speaker 1: Was just taking a break from singing. She she's doing
the whole soundtrack.
Speaker 4: I said before I don't want her to Actually now
she's directing movie. I won't. I don't mind she has,
but I wanted to direct that movie. But you know
what one woman, I'd say, worst case.
Speaker 2: Scenario, get her to be Barbara Gordon and dire hair ginger,
because then there's like a whole different type of look
she could do. She could do a whole album with
the ginger hair.
Speaker 4: It would be a full great I'm down.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I was very pro her being the Dazzler. I'm not
so much that on anymore. I'm more on the Sabrina
camp for that. But but like seriously, though, like if if,
even if it's awful, Taylor ships this is crazy rabbit fans,
and I feel like that is a that's a very
unicorn example, like there's nobody quite like her at this
point in time. But yeah, I I I think there
is some truth to just like we're gonna get some
more butts in our seats if we get some people
that people are following in their day to day I
don't know, I kind of went off off rails there,
kind of speaking on something I don't know too much
about because I don't really have a finger on the
pulse with that.
Speaker 4: But bring up this clip and then we're gonna do
more of these questions. If you'll don't know this. In
Dark Knight Rises, the clip was longer.
Speaker 1: This is forty eight seconds into the.
Speaker 4: Net makes two face reference. There's like, oh, how did
you say that? Up to coin?
Speaker 1: So so he starts he's getting like his boots guyed
or something. I just thought this was a funny place
to start.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I'm pretty sure call Glen Palce said
he got a concussion from this.
Speaker 1: Legitimately, Tom Hardy whose full method actor.
Speaker 2: Like he's massive but this would be fun, like full
circle for him to come Batman. You know he's got
a good one. You know, we get like a blonde
Batman again. Like Kilmer, he said, I got a game
of concussion. Let's yet, so, oh, let's see.
Speaker 1: I actually just got knocked out there we'll go again.
Speaker 2: I just said, it's not bad, not going at solid.
It's a slam dunk, Homewait's success.
Speaker 4: It's good. It's gotta good legs. Right now, it's just
a double.
Speaker 2: I agree, it's a double unless it has like a
sixty five percent drop next weekend. Then he got struck
out on third base. Like second weekend is very very important.
So we'll have to see. Oh, milk toast this question.
A couple of years ago, we got animated Crypto. Now
we got a super movie soon, there will be a
Super Bowl movie. When are they going to take another
crack at steal?
Speaker 4: Uh again? Shut our Patreon. That's shacky. I don't say no,
no no for you that shack. He is a very
legendary Superman character. But I think.
Speaker 1: It's the one one source material I can pull from.
Speaker 2: I think if if the trajectory continues upwards, I could
see within the next ten years, because we're talking about
more Superman projects. That's another one where that's like another
meta human type of you're tum about Kirking, where you
can introduce somebody like I just sometimes he is, Yes, sometimes,
especially in a storyline. They're one of the biggest storylines
called the death Superman and then a bunch of people
show up to try to take his place, not as
like a power struggle, but like I'm gonna step up
in place of Superman. That is a big deal for him.
So there are storylines like that, so I think it's
it's successful. I feel like that's a character James Gunn
would like to do and kind of redeem. I'll say,
what are we in twenty twenty five? So barring no,
you know, world crisis or another strike, I feel confident
saying we could see that within the next ten years
a steal.
Speaker 4: How do you think of that. I'm not saying a
still movie. I'm saying steal the character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was your percentage or no percentage?
Speaker 4: Just I said within ten years?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see it. You feel like you about
that though, I mean, we'll see if James gun is
still around, you know, in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: Well hopefully in DC, hopefully there's around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, true, I hope he's living strong, and.
Speaker 4: I hope he's still around because he never knows that happen.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, hopefully there's not an accident.
Speaker 4: On July eighteenth, York says, oh, so we're going. Didn't
mean to cut you off.
Speaker 1: I see nothing going.
Speaker 2: York excited for Supergirl because she's gonna fight Lobo. Yeah,
that's gonna be fun. I think that Supergirl and Jason
Momo is just Getna. Lobo is just Jason Momo in
real life is personality. I think that's gonna be tons
of fun. I think the same way people said they
walked as Superman with hope, I think super Girl funny enough.
Speaker 4: It's not by James Gunn. Could have that Guardian store
Ragonrock where people come out and just like Man that
was a great time, even if it's a bit more
of the you know, heavier side, I think they could. So.
I'm I'm excited for Mamoa's Lobo.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to hopefully get a great Momoa performance again
because it's been a little hot minute for me.
Speaker 4: It has been a minute Minecraft was was not it
he definitely.
Speaker 1: Don't think I'm going to do that to myself. No,
your video you shared of the great who was that?
Speaker 4: Even Kenny Omega exact and wrestle of all time?
Speaker 1: You know Canadian? I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: Yes, he's from Winnipeg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he feels like he's kind of like a
cash and like he's in the Street Fire movie coming
up next.
Speaker 4: Have you heard about this?
Speaker 1: I probably did, but I forgot he wiped it up.
Speaker 4: Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes are also in it as
well too.
Speaker 1: I'm there, are you because that's yeah?
Speaker 2: Well I'll ask Taylor and uh uh Dyn because I
doubt they'll be into it. The Gimmick guys were like, well,
that should be our first debut of GV episode.
Speaker 4: So they'll join us.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to know.
Speaker 2: They said they'd like to join because I said, well,
I'll probably be alone, but if you want.
Speaker 1: To be, you know, I would be there. I think
that sounds perfect, you know, barring timing. I'm not hopeful.
I'm not a killing or.
Speaker 4: Something like that.
Speaker 1: I'll be back guys in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: Taylor Swift as Wonder woman, do what you do? Uh?
Whereas Bro's next big films doing Messiah, Yeah they got Yeah,
I was done with Warner. I was just talking about DC.
Speaker 2: What they got going on. Universal Pictures will bounce back
with Wicked for Good. Yeah, I think I think that
will be the hit people like.
Speaker 1: You know, it seemed like Wicked a lot your letter
box score.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it more than I thought it would.
Speaker 2: I actually watched the first all I'll wait for Thursday, though,
we do what we've been watching.
Speaker 4: We talk about that. Yeah, super Bike says.
Speaker 2: The last time in DC movie beat Marvel yearly was
The Dark Night two thousand and eight, Kirkland.
Speaker 1: That's a hard one to beat, so good for them, but.
Speaker 2: Still which sucks because they even had like Joker, which
is a billion dollar movie, and still because that's all right.
Speaker 4: In the same year, Endgame came out. Oh fuck, it's
like we got it, and.
Speaker 1: They brought their their heavy hitter for that one, and yeah.
Speaker 2: Brought a clown to a gunfight, so that is crazy.
The Dark that's twenty so we're almost on twenty years.
So yeah, I'm kind of pulling for them, don't get
me wrong. I hope I like Fantastic four. I've never
been a F four guy, but uh, it'd be nice
to see. Kevin then says Disney will bounce back with
Fantastic four, Preder Badlands, Utopia after farre Nash. Honestly, Kevin,
I said, you could just say they'll bounce back.
Speaker 4: With Zutopian Avatar. They don't even need Fantastic four or
Predder bad Lands.
Speaker 2: I think Predder Badlands is gonna make like Alien Robins
money where it's like one fifty and F four.
Speaker 4: I don't know. We'll wait for sure with oh yeah
that yeah, I thought you meant F four. I'm like, no,
there's there's no cheap mark that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that, Sony Pictures will bounce back with Jamon
G three and Spider Man Brandon Date. Yeah, I think
so your excess Supergirl not the Supergirl, not some female superman.
She's superhuman, but she doesn't value humanity.
Speaker 4: Okay. Cool Detoll took your argument on Spider number one.
That's okay.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ban him from the chat for a little bit.
No milk Tho says without Suerman to be no superho genre. Absolutely, yes,
seventy eight was a big deal for that right, and
go back on our patren. We reviewed all those and
we're going to ranking.
Speaker 4: So r J. You, Oh, I thought you're gonna cop out.
Speaker 2: He said, they're my top two are the top two,
but then he says, I think Spider Man is slightly
bigger than Batman right now, but they're almost equal footing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess to say right now, because even then,
what did Homecoming make? I just want to see what
was Holmes first Spider Man movie box office versus.
Speaker 1: Over half million? Easy?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah for sure, yeah, yeah, I don't get her
on there.
Speaker 2: It may okay, So I know even then that made
eight hundred and eighty million, and the Batman made seven
to seventy.
Speaker 4: So yeah, i'd say right now.
Speaker 2: And I'll also think that helps with Tom Holland, I
think he's another Selarty people like I think people like
Robert Passing as well, but like Mickey, seventeen didn't perform right,
So it's not like people are dying.
Speaker 3: Just like like the age demographic that those films are
geared towards is like Spidy is for all family members,
you know, like it's it's it's eat that up, whereas
like are.
Speaker 1: You bringing bringing your family to uh Batman's.
Speaker 4: Especially Riddler, Why what are you showing me?
Speaker 1: That's what your kids would be asking you.
Speaker 4: Oh, I know. And even though they were like still
darker and more talking heavy and crime heavy, the.
Speaker 2: Nolan Ones are way more fit because the Nolanes feel
more like a big act you could I could see like, all,
this is a big action movie where the Batman's a
crime thriller. That's not everyone's bag, you know, so says
Strictly speaking, there are four comic characters are the most
recognizable world War worldwide, super Bam, Batman's Berman, Archie. I
get that, Archie, you're you're right, but he ain he
ain't clocking no billion dollars.
Speaker 4: He ain't. I don't even know if he's clocking.
Speaker 1: Best Wonder Woman's beating the ship out of Archie.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know, longevity must be taken into account.
Speaker 2: Superman has been around eighty seven years, Batman eighty six,
Spider Man sixty three. Longer the longer character is around,
the more impact it has. Absolutely, Oh, I think, oh,
more impact. I thing like harder.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, yes, say, I don't know if
Superman show on that, but let's see here anything relevant
here Okase SuperMac says, I feel like an actor name
organsition has gone down a lot in the past few years.
Most people I know would have a hard time naming
actor who gained prominence in the past five years. Absolutely,
and I think we've seen now that to me, it's
not so much like, oh, I'm gonna go see the
Ryan Gosling movie. I think it's Oh, Ryan Gosling isn't
Star Wars cool. I think it's big brand and popular
actor put together, where one without the other. It's tough
to star Wars.
Speaker 2: Like you look at Force Awakens that was different but
based on like a bunch of I'd say no names
in there, but I think that's what it is.
Speaker 4: You need people paired with the right property.
Speaker 2: But like for sure, like like a fall Guy that
bomb last year, right, So that showed us right there
that people won't just go see. But Ryan Glossing and Barbie,
you know, one of the biggest movies a decades.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, not like I was I was gonna say, like,
there definitely is still names that even general members get
excited for. Like I feel like Pedro is in like
a really good run right now. Pedro Pascal of like
people that aren't necessarily I find like they're watching all
the projects.
Speaker 1: That oh Pedro, Oh yeah he's in this project, right?
Speaker 4: Can he get a blockbuster? Now? Can he? Can he
get to that level of being the guy?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And I don't know, because last of Us, I think
that's a big reason why that show went down rating wise,
because he's gone.
Speaker 1: And you know, credit it for three episodes? Is that true?
Speaker 4: And he got nominated for Emmy as a lead for
that some fucking crime right there for him?
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know. Yeah, good for Game in the System.
Speaker 4: Let's see. Uh yeah, age of the movie starts seems
to be in the client.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Kim Das says, when do you think we'll
get the Mandalorian movie trailer?
Speaker 4: Will come out?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: So that comes out in May if it's not out
before one on Avatar in December. I think Avtar biggest
year probably I.
Speaker 1: Was thinking winter months. December feels late for like, I
guess not.
Speaker 4: Really anyway, March April five months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe you get a teaser before, but the
full trailers on avatarat.
Speaker 1: Men take a long time to get a trailer drop.
Speaker 2: No super Yeah you remember that. Some people criticized that
that took very like the in between was very short.
So I feel like with Mando, you you take some time,
let know. But I think, no matter what, there's gonna
be at least a trailer on Avatar. Everything's gonna be
on Avatar. You know, gonna be fucking cam hat on there.
Watch that ten times? Oh my god, give me the
one here. Have you seen the fucking cab hat trailer.
I'm so fearful my kids are gonna ask me to
do that. We had to watch that Superman. It was
like I looked over you, come on, there's some of these.
Speaker 4: You just look. You're like, oh fuck yeah.
Speaker 3: I hadn't seen it. It must have been needled. It
was a Jurassic worlder suit man saw yeah. Yeah, so
I Taylor, I'm like, what even is this? Some sit
next to Taylor He's like, oh, can in the hat,
and just by his tone, I'm like, oh, oh no,
Like it's it's kind of reminded me of the latest Grinch,
Like it's definitely not the best Grinch movie, but I
still enjoyed it. But then I'm watching the trailer and man,
I just saw my bar and my hype going down
to ground zero.
Speaker 1: That brutal. It was very brutal.
Speaker 4: What is Bill later doing?
Speaker 2: This is the first thing after Barry And like, here's
the thing. I didn't love that Grinch movie. I think
it's just like a solid six out of ten. But
even the trailers, I was like, Oh, this looks good.
This can't if the trailers are looking bad. Oh no,
what's happening here? Says At the early screening super Man,
they played all trailers, went to video saying welcome to
the screening, went to black, and then it was the
hat trailer people food. Oh my god, that's great. Yeah,
so it's funny, Kirking. You said we were expecting to
get thank you to James Gunn. Apparently on the early
screenings they did do the Tom Cruise thank you for
being here for Superman and stuff, So they did get it.
Speaker 1: We didn't get it, but we got a film one
of those like even as a joke.
Speaker 4: We're gonna no, we're good. I got a project for
it that'd be proud you. Well, I can't hit a
couple of months prompter to.
Speaker 2: York says he's or they're tired of the death of Superman. Yeah,
I don't think you do, because I think they just
did that in that Low's Clark show. Obviously Snyder did that.
I think you stay away from that for a bid
of like Dark Phoenix for Marble, like give it a
give it a break, you know.
Speaker 1: Do you think they're gonna do a Captain Marble thing
with Superman where.
Speaker 3: He's just like I gotta go, I gotta do space
threats and he's just that's kind of what like it's
different than him just dying and to.
Speaker 4: Keep him out a certain threats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like if we're if we're a couple movies into
this new DCU and like why Superman is not here
and it's like he's doing Wonder Woman's or sorry Captain Marvels.
Speaker 4: Sorry Lois.
Speaker 2: I know I think is not the unfortunate, but the
issue you have with him is he's right now the
main character. Where Captain Marvel wasn't right she was coming
on the tailing of the Avengers. It would have been
like if Downey right away was like, hey, I'm gonna
be offlame some time. But also you gotta remember, minus spoilers,
they've made this Superman a lot more deep power than
other Superman so I don't think he's as true godly.
Speaker 4: I think we're gonna take him down talking, but I
was putting out.
Speaker 1: There if he was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well millennial Superman.
Speaker 2: Uh, let's see Kevin Days off topic all answer. Do
you think this is Olsen? Chris Evans will make an
appearance in Doomsday? Yes, I'm Chris Evans Olsen. I'm iffy
on but I could see at least an end credits,
So I'm just gonna say yes for both.
Speaker 1: For now, I'll say yes, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4: Uh. Do you think Letitia Wright's gonna be Black Panther
going forward? I do not. I think she's gonna hand
it off to whoever they.
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna work in a Oh this is
Yallo from a different universe, and that's how people won't
get mad about Chatwick. So I do I think if
you get a black pant I don't know, because do
you think it will be still black Panther?
Speaker 1: Like off screen she handed it off? I think she's
still going to be a black pants.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree that it's just a question of when
we get to Black Panther three, will she be the
black Panther.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say no, Yeah, I agree, Yeah, because like
why set up baby Chachalla if we're not going to
make him black Panther eventually?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah? That or a multiverse one. So I agree. And
then milk To says, a Starlard s Superman adventure could work. Well, yeah,
I've been down.
Speaker 2: We've not got I don't know if we need gramps,
but I we've not gone like a big Superman in
space all over, right, So and I know people.
Speaker 4: Want brain acts, so maybe that way to go. So yeah, exactly,
So all right, let's take at lot of break, we
get some questions, then we canna get to other topics
that we'll be right back and we're back.
Speaker 2: So some questions one, Yeah, I was talking number one,
thank you, And we're still talking about dc and Supermans.
If you got any more question, hit us up with
there because we're still talking about some DCU stuff. But
let's see, Sir Charlie Rendell says, is Nicholas holds Lex?
Speaker 4: Uh? Sorry?
Speaker 2: Is Nicholas Holds Lex the best Superman movie villain we've got? Also,
how would you compare him to the DCU villains.
Speaker 4: For Superman? For me? That's an easy yes. I can
answer that because that's in the rankings.
Speaker 2: Easy yes, because I don't love Gene Hackman, don't like Eisenberg.
The only one that gives him a run for his
money is Michael Shannon as Zod. But I still give
I like, I'm not gonna say the motivations, but the
motivitions and odd are supposed to be simil right. It's like, hey,
my planet died, I'm gonna bring him back. And he's
very straightforward. Lex is still also very straightforward that he
hates Superman. I think I just love the lengths of
how much you hate him, So I would give it
to that, and then for DCEU. So that's all the
Snyder verse stuff, I'd probably am the number one. I'd
have to take a look at the whole raw.
Speaker 1: But he never he never faced.
Speaker 3: Holy funk. What's his name from Zack Snyder's universe? What
was the main villain of the Sneydsenberg?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Dark Side, dark Side?
Speaker 1: We never got that right, they just the shadows. Yeah,
and then it was good Steppenwolf, Yeah, he was good.
And then in BDS, what was the big.
Speaker 4: Bandsberg and Doomsday?
Speaker 1: Doomsday?
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about e Isenberg.
Speaker 3: Okay, No, if I'm talking about Alex, I'm talking about
Gene Hackman or or Nicholas Holt. Just to shoehorn my
way into your answer, Gene Hackman is nostalgia for me,
Like just I I just love that character as a kid.
That was my first exposure to the character of Lex Luthor.
And now that I've seen Nicholas Holt to Brandon, God damn,
I go check.
Speaker 1: The shame review like that'll always just have a special
place in my heart.
Speaker 4: Of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, I was talking mister Nick at
some point in time, but yeah, here in the bag,
he did a phenomenal performance and I really really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I think I didn't love certain things that the character.
Speaker 3: Was doing, but for performance wise and just as you said,
just getting that like pure hatred out of like this
man is like just a super.
Speaker 1: Billionaire, Like he doesn't have to be going out of
his way. It's just funck over Superman, but that is
just what he's chosen to do. Like fuck this man.
Speaker 4: Potatoes doing it pretty much, I'm Superman tattooed that day. No, yeah,
I can't. Sorry, things booked Atlanta for three months. Yeah,
I can't take tattoo.
Speaker 1: So Nicky would definitely be easily.
Speaker 4: Don't don't call him Nikki, don't call him.
Speaker 2: His name is Nicholas Nicky ho Nicki, Oh super Michael
Rose Mom is still top exce luthor for me. I
got to rewatch small Bill. Yeah, I can't say you're
wrong because I need to rewatch it.
Speaker 4: I think that I don't think you're wrong because I
think he has.
Speaker 2: I wish Holt at times had a bit more, a
little cooler, because there were a couple of times when
when we're he didn't get me wrong. I think he's great.
I don't think he's on the Mount Rushmore. I've seen
people making that argument of like Commicville in general. They
don't think he's that high. But yeah, I need to
rewatch Smallville, get and see because but I love Holt's
approach Rosea Baum, like they start as friend sim and
Clark and there's some revelations. I do like that, But
I do like the Alexi's just fuck, I hate this alien.
I'm gonna do anything to get rid of him, you know.
Speaker 1: So, Yeah, I think he's definitely up there.
Speaker 3: But I did really like the Snyder version of Steppenwolf,
although we didn't forgot there. I liked what was showing
dark side, but I'm not really going to throw that
in there because you didn't really face off as Superman. Yeah,
Michael Shannon was odd is just phenomenal. I absolutely love that.
Speaker 1: Performance and and like, I don't I don't even know
if this is a good answer because I don't remember
too much about the film it's been so long, But
like I thought a apocalypse was kind of cool or doomsday,
whatever the fuck is. I'm yeah, I'm crossing.
Speaker 4: The third act though. He's just a fighting machine.
Speaker 1: That's you're right.
Speaker 4: The other one.
Speaker 2: I think you might be forgetting my favorite of the
DCU Ian McGregor's Black Mask and Birds of Prey.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was I was thinking like specific Superman villains.
Speaker 3: Because that's all okay, but he just like I guess
the last sentence, I kind of forgot about that, So
my bad, Charlie. But yeah, definitely black Mask. Very underrated
villain overall. Like I don't know if just not enough
people saw that movie, but like so terrifying on that
dinner scene when he gets that lady to like jump
up on the table and dance, like just terrifying, especially
that Iwan McGregor and he's like Obi Wan the most
likable Jedi, and then you have him as fucking Christopher Robbins.
Speaker 1: That's like, got the.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get that pooh drop.
Speaker 2: Milko says regarding the Snipers, I feel for the fans
that will never get answers certain dangling plot lines, those movies,
the Flash believe we're not finishing stories as batter rating.
I agree it sucks, but like that's life, right, Like
I hate to be that guy. It's just because it's
on a bigger scale. But it's like how many TV
shows that we all love that got canceled, how many
you know books like it happens to us all.
Speaker 4: It's different.
Speaker 2: I think I do feel for them, but at the
same time they I'm not trying to sound like an asshole,
and many of them know this, that they've said this themselves.
They should be very lucky they got the Snarer cut
because that was a one I don't care. I think
a one in a billion shot. If COVID doesn't happen
and HBO and w B doesn't need content, there's a
chance that thinks still sit on a shelf sucking fucking somewhere,
and all Wes see of Just League is the yeah,
I know, always Justice League is the Henry Cavill like
mustache and Ben Affleck being like, oh, I'm bleeding some places,
like all that terrible shit that were Like remember when
Martha Kent goes to Amy Adams after she's lost Superman
and she's like yeah, and Clark always said you were thirsty,
and then Amy's like, oh, like for the story for
the news, like.
Speaker 4: They ought be so lucky. Did that happen?
Speaker 2: They're like the Donner cut for Superman two took decades again.
So that's why I do feel from them. At the
same time, they got a massive win. They got to
finish like what they want the most now. Some of them, yeah,
got a little greedy because now they want it restored.
They want a man still too, They want the batflick.
But it's like that's gone, it's over. Sorry, the world
has moved on. But so I feel for them a bit.
But they got some they got some good stuff.
Speaker 4: There, you know, So all right, let's oh gods. Six nine.
This is another question. If you had to live in
the DCU or the DCEU.
Speaker 2: Based on what you've seen so far, from which universe
are you picking and where in the universe. I got
the Metropolis Meda Cascar Right now, I'm definitely picking DCU
because the DCEU felt very dark and like when I
got Batman going around branding people, helping them get murdered, like.
Speaker 4: And I think I would be picking because up until Superman.
Speaker 2: Again moners spoilers, they say, at some point we lose
a fight, and I say, that's the first time he's
ever lost a fight to me, that's like, well, pretty
good odds, I think, right like, that's at least a
few years. It's just like bad guy shows up, he's
kicks some mask. So right now, DCU definitely that Metropolis
it was you know, you know, the planet got a
lot of good looking people in there, so that always helps. Yeah,
definitely definitely that one. I'm going nowhere near the DCU,
I'm going fucking Jared Leto's Joker running around. No, I'm
not saying because he's dangerous, just because I would be
annoyed the whole time.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm right there with you on the DCU.
DCEU just sounds like a terrible place to be stuck.
And then you get that like black Mask like demon
sequence where it's like this.
Speaker 2: I think first keeps streaming about where Superman is the
like god ruler.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, don't want that, So DCU definitely not Gotham.
That just sounds like like across the board. That's just
never a good place to be living is in Gotham.
I would hope rent's very cheap there because it just
seems like past and you made a great point of
just like the good percentage success rate for Superman kicking ass.
And then we also have just like a wild bender
of a Supergirl running around in this universe, which is like, hey,
you know, I could probably fix her wants to be there, Yeah,
exactly in this in this headspace of course, you know,
I'm I'm I'm a single man in this universe, so
maybe I'll be a.
Speaker 4: Shoot due to the Kaiju supers.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Am.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get over my my loss, So I'm
in some bar and then you know this, this chick
comes in kicking ass with a leather jacket and a dog,
and yeah, that's probably that's.
Speaker 1: Probably what I would pick.
Speaker 3: Not Madagascar, like he threw out there. I do appreciate
the the examples that he listed.
Speaker 2: But he showed one picture of like the someone took
in the theater and he's like, oh fabulous, and then
he hit us like eight other pictures like okay, calm down.
Speaker 4: I know, yeah, what do you do.
Speaker 1: Me while you're doing stuff right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But like Rachel boss Lois, you got Isbellmer said as
hawk Girl.
Speaker 1: You know there's a lot of data cor Swetman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jimmy Holsen, you got him run around apparently.
Speaker 1: In that movie that's like the that's like peak male
like physique. I guess universe.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like my odds. I like my odds. I think
I would do well.
Speaker 2: Super Mike says I'd stillivan Canon DCU. No one ever
texts canon Super I don't know, I can true.
Speaker 4: I wonder if they did.
Speaker 3: It was wiped out by Superman when he first came here.
That's where he made his sanctum or fortress of solitude.
I always call it sanctum a sanctorum.
Speaker 1: For some reason.
Speaker 2: Poor doctor Strange Milk uses George Rees adventures. Supermann univer
seems pretty place to hang out. Yeah, that's a black
and white aesthetic and everything. You know, Let's see, you
can have Superman lose a couple of fights, but don't
have him die for no reason.
Speaker 4: Well, but I hope you. I hope he didn't die
for no reason. We had the calitacks for Justice League.
Like Superman had a heart attack and now you know.
Speaker 3: That radiation that was given his solar radiation that was
giving him his powers. Yeah, super cancer is actually what
he got, which.
Speaker 2: Is kind of crazy because I say that, but like
we lived in the universe where we got episode nine
and that it was just like Emperor Paltyan has returned.
Speaker 4: We had no explanation.
Speaker 2: Just so you know, movies can do it. They get
desperate enough. So all right, speaking of DCU, we're still
there right now. So DCU, we had an article come
out kind of talking about the past and the present
of DC So I'm just gonna hot fire or shoot
these out because also we run a little longer here.
But so this report had uh DC's new plan or
just playing with the Justice League is what they want
to do, is they want to re establish.
Speaker 4: What we're talking about the box office, give him a chance.
They want to re establish and one of the point
we don't know who is in the Justice League, but
they want to re establish those classic characters on the
mown kind of prop them up before they get to
Justice League. So maybe not a rush to a Justice League.
They kind of want to, you know, maybe not make
you think of Ezra Miller as the last Flash, you know,
maybe get like a nice brighter Batman out there versus
Passer and even Batflick, right, So that's something at multiple times,
not multiple times, but in different times in the world.
Speaker 2: The Rock was one of Dave's Aslov's picks to run
DYC but then Black did not do well, so that
didn't happen. And then apparently at some point they did
make an approach to Kevin five to try and poach
him over, but that didn't happen. And then we did
learn of some different spin offs that were canceled without
the years. One with spinoff was going to be a
Robin movie set in the Nolan universe. We don't know
if that was like Joseph or Levitt, yeah, or just.
Speaker 4: A Robin and then the end of that. When we
talked about this years ago, but it's been not official
because I didn't say this, but the toda she Coached Superman,
which was gonna be about black Superman Man. Uh, this
was the quote from the article was canceled because David
Zaslow found it too woke, so they got rid of that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so I hit you a lot here
at the Just League plan the Rock Foggy also, so
you need to remind me, no, but yeah, what do
you think about this? And we're gonna talk about more
from the Wall Street Journal stuff, but this was a
bunch of stuff just kind of sifting through all the
shitt in there, you know.
Speaker 1: So, oh there's some ship in there for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean, the the idea of the Rock just leading
DC is like I don't want to see what that
would have been, but like I'm also.
Speaker 1: So curious of like what the first five projects would
have been.
Speaker 4: Under the rock Justice Shore as a rock is covered
in chills already, Well you don't want that every.
Speaker 1: Movie, like like before is he just gonna come out?
And he's like are you ready?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, now, everybody enjoy your Zoe unless you didn't
want this guy running you, Like of course I do,
because I'm just a crazy man.
Speaker 4: You want to.
Speaker 1: Discsycle, so obviously come on now that would be so
hilarious it would have been to unpack that.
Speaker 3: But like for a true uh, I don't consider myself
a purist, but for lack of a better term, as
a purist of the superhero genre, I definitely don't want
that because I didn't think Black Adam was a very
good film. And yeah he was, obviously he had all
of his fingers in all of the holes of that
of that project.
Speaker 2: And to get Henry back, remember there was that whole thing,
you know, which I respect, you know, I think I
think that was.
Speaker 4: The right move.
Speaker 3: And like no one showed up and like not even meming,
Like I understand why they maybe thought of like him
in that lead role because like he's he's good at marketing,
like like like he's good at promoting, and he's good
at just getting people's interest.
Speaker 1: Why do you change the background, you get.
Speaker 4: The gimmick background for the whole check out the gimmick.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize, but yeah, like like he's good at
selling projects, like he's been a part of some very
big box office films, right and like, yes, I think
it's it's not quite to the level. Well, it's definitely
not quite the level that it once was, but like
there was a time when like the Rockers pop off
in all these films, and some of them were absolute
hot garbage, but like everybody knew of the Rock and
it's just like, oh yeah, like the Rock.
Speaker 1: In this movie, like you know what, you're getting so.
Speaker 4: Dumb something It would have been a joke. Like again
I called the Rock cycle. That's a joke. I think
he's a very smart guy. I mean, we're that final
boss character. He's just out there. But I don't think
it was out of the realm of possibility.
Speaker 2: If you're looking DC at that point when they're putting
out Shazam and like all that stuff, like it was
they're really having a tough time. I can see the
vision of I wouldn't have went that route, but I
can see the vision of people. If you're just saying
on a money perspective, Rock's a go to guy, and
even myself, I thought Black Adam was gonna do better
than it was. It doesn't matter about the call they
I still thought people would come out. It's like Rock
doing his for superhero role he's been talking about for
years and people really didn't care. I think that's because
the Rock had been a lot of like mess stuff.
People have kind of sniffed it out with the Rock
of like Jungle Cruise and even like the fucking Red
One last year.
Speaker 4: Like I think there's what was rampage. Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think we did. At least someone did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did for sure. So but I think that's
the problem that at that point people had kind of
figured out, you know, no pun tent, but the gimmick
of the Rock of okay, or I can only get
you so far, you.
Speaker 1: Know the mana. Then we're not feeling the mona anymore.
Speaker 4: You feeling Yeah, the Superman's new healing film is Taramana. Yeah, great.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Nolan Robin thing. So sorry, is this
rumors or something or no, No, this was this was.
Speaker 2: A canceled project, So I guess this was something there
pitching them and eventual Nolan's like, no, we're not doing
that again. It wasn't said if it was like a
Robin two Batman or if it was just Robin the
sense of remember that. Joe scorn Lett was like, that's
a nice name, Robin, you know. And don't get wrong,
I've pitched that many times. I would have I would
have been there day one to watch Joe Levett as Batman.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm there day one for any Nolan project.
Speaker 2: Well, he would have been directed at him too, he
would have he wouldn't have been directing Robin though he
was just in his universe.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, a lot about that. I think you need
to have Nolan in there because it is his, it's
his brain child.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and don't forget.
Speaker 1: And it would have been like a big timing thing
for me.
Speaker 3: Also, like if it was hot off the press of
Dark Knight rises and it's like this is an announcement.
It's like, fuck, yeah, let's go. But just going back
to that, yeah, a little bit less interested. You're changing
some lights on me. What's your favorite out of your
color ranges? I usually have like I like this one
for lighting purposes. Plus I get a little bit of
a blue in there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the greater red is I was I was
rocking red, but this does not look like blue anymore
because it's so dark.
Speaker 3: So the blue is creeped me out too, because like
the mask, like the green goblin mask, just the eyes
on the blue, it just made.
Speaker 1: It look like like a demon. Next year, especially the
glow off the eyes. It's a fantastic mask.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and this I was gonna say, you gotta remember
this is the time where they were they went to
Nolan to direct Man of Steel first, I don't think
it was called Man Steel then, but they wanted to
do Superman and he linked them on with Zach so
same thing. They were in that process of all, you know,
let's do a Robin things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, want to do that? Oh do Superman?
Speaker 2: Like I think he was just done with that stuff, right,
so he I think he would have got the Keys
of the Kingdom if he wanted, Like James Gump, I didn't,
so yeah, I'm glad he did. It's the same way
if like I get it, people are like, oh man,
because James Gunn said, I don't know if he was
at the premiere or something like that, but Jameson's like, oh,
I've been talking Ryan Couger lately, and like I get it.
Speaker 4: I understand. I see all like could you imagine Ryan
Coruger as Batman? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I could, But I really wanted to do Black Panther
three and then go on and just start the Nolan thing.
Do we saw with Sinners? This guy has a lot
of good original ideas, I think, you know, and I've
loved everything this guy's.
Speaker 4: Done to varying degrees, so I don't really want that
to happen for him.
Speaker 1: So there's one thing I think I missed there.
Speaker 4: There's the Justice thing and the Superman being canceled thing.
Speaker 1: Just Superman canceled spinoffs.
Speaker 2: Well remember because it was canceled too woke, you know,
or you Justice League being you know, refurbished till we
get that movie.
Speaker 1: Crazy statement from the head.
Speaker 4: Of alleged alleged statement.
Speaker 3: True, nonetheless, crazy, Nonetheless, I believe that it's something that
he could have said.
Speaker 1: But and then, oh God, remind me Justice League.
Speaker 4: What was their plan? Is to kind of like refurbish,
like kind of get them back up to pristine order
before doing it.
Speaker 2: Justly, it sound like they don't want to rush into
that Here's Justice. They kind of want to be like, Hey,
I don't know if every film is gonna every members
can get a solo film, but I think kind of
like the Flash, they're going to want to get a
new code of pain and really try to re establish them.
Speaker 3: That's like if I'm going like like parachuting and they're
like Hey, we're going to make sure that your parachute
doesn't go off this time.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's great to hear.
Speaker 3: I don't think you necessarily have to tell, but I
think that should be expected. So yes, I'm thumbs up.
I'm glad with that statement. That's what that statement reminds
me of.
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, yeah, good plan, good plan DC.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And I'm not in the way, like I go back
and forth. I still you know, I still like the
way that Marvel did. Dude, have introduced your heroes then
the big team up. But even then they had the
four and then they had Hawk Eye and Black Widow
who were not on the team, right, they didn't get
a soul film, I mean, and they were on the team.
Speaker 4: So I'm I'm down with that.
Speaker 3: Owen, what's the uh do you have more of a
finger on the pulse than I do with this sort
of things? But like, what's the general audience's feel with
Hawkgirl and what they did with uh?
Speaker 2: I think everyone's the same as that that just not enough,
not enough, And I think especially coming off with Last
of Us, everyone, as Bilmore said, kind of stole that season.
Speaker 4: So I think people were expecting more.
Speaker 3: But I think it was just kind of like how
the character works kind of threw me off. And some
people that I've been talking about, they're like, what the
fuck was going on with hawkgirlout saying too much?
Speaker 4: They didn't see Black Adam Hawkman.
Speaker 1: You know, but Hawkman didn't do that ship that she
was doing in this film.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well maybe you could have. Maybe they maybe
it would have been a.
Speaker 1: Beer black him too, it would have been a bigger focus.
Speaker 4: Rocks like, he's gonna scream like no other I'm gonna
make him scream.
Speaker 1: It's gonna scream mana.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's gonna gonna pumpza. He's gonna be hyped. But
uh yeah, it's gonna be interesting and then we'll see
what happens. I agree with most people. I think the
justly animated series of the lineup you gonna go.
Speaker 2: So maybe we'll get HOWT Girl in there. But I
think it's a good idea to re establish a lot
of them. I think Office you need any wonder woman
who should be our Ardria a Drona you should get
her from and or Batman who knows.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah that's Nick or Bix. Yeah she's to me
it's like the clear clear Like to me, I think.
Speaker 2: It's gonna happen. What overtry Swift, Yeah, I think it's
a good call. But and then yeah, the the supid
thing does surprise me. You run around, you see who
dass das as friends with. And I I also think
we're in a time where, unfortunately there's a lot of
people that if there's some we we The podcast started
and there was not Red Eye thumbnails as not our Pockets.
Speaker 4: But as it went on, we saw there's few for
a while.
Speaker 2: Yes, So I could see that him even if he
was which I'm not giving him a benefit of doubt,
I bet he just went that's.
Speaker 4: Well garbage to get it out of there. I could
see him being like, some people might feel this is
too woke, and they're not going to it's gonna be divisive,
let's not do that. I think the same way as
at some.
Speaker 2: Point people have been like, you can't put super Girl
in a skirt, But I think they're kind of like
even like there's been a discussion about like Cat Grant
in Superman, about like her in that massive cleavage, and.
Speaker 4: Like, oh like maybe five years ago that wouldn't have been.
Speaker 2: Happening right, like it would have been like sexualized. And
I think there is a bounce you know, whatever you
want to say about that character. I don't really care
because that character did nothing in that movie. But I
think there is a bounce of yeah, being too sexual
and we don't want to be like WWF in the
fucking nineties where women's arresting in brom pandematages, right, But
then you also don't want to be here's w reference
as well, right to censor, where let's cover everybody up,
let's not do this. So I think we've seen it
go too far of people that are different races or
genders or even just you know, sexual rotations get mishandled
and made to be a joke or not used right.
Speaker 4: But then we've seen the other route where it's for
the sake of doing it.
Speaker 2: SE's do it not because they really meant to, just
because oh, we don't have a black person here, we
don't have his pantic X Yeah exactly right, which obviously
is not a perfect world. That's very hard to do.
So I think that's where I can see yah, but
I guarantee you he just went on, no, let's not
get a black Superman. And at the same time, I.
Speaker 4: Think it's tough because I want James Gunn say, oh,
we're doing else worlds.
Speaker 2: I want that to happen. I think the Batman is
a special situation because it's all already happening. I would
imagine that the first else world that James Gunn green
lights that's not anything to do with Matt Reeves, will
not be another Superman, another Supergirl. I think it would
be a character that, like, hey, really gonna have nothing to.
Speaker 4: Do with the DCU. It's still, you know, a dc movie.
But let's do.
Speaker 2: Something different, right, or something really wild where it's Superman.
You've probably heard a storyline line Superman Red Sun where
instead of landing in Kansas, he lands in Russia.
Speaker 1: Russia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where it like, you do something very wild,
And I just don't think, you know, I like the
Batman or I love the Batman.
Speaker 4: I want to keep going.
Speaker 2: But I if the Batman didn't exist, I would tell
James gun yeah, don't do else worlds at.
Speaker 4: Least for a couple of years. Established this DCU first.
But you know, so we'll see. Actually that's actually trusting
James Gunn right now. Maybe, But I'm not gonna trust sas.
Speaker 2: Off like this is like this fucking guy like sorry
and just doesn't don't trust anyone in Hollywood.
Speaker 4: The second let's say super Let's say Superman next week is.
Speaker 2: A fucking ninety percent drop and it's the biggest second
wee can drop of all time.
Speaker 4: And Supergirl bombs and a face bombs.
Speaker 2: The only thing he's gonna be trusting is, hey, James,
you know where the front door is, Like, he's not
gonna be trust like that's I mean, like, I'm not
gonna trust any of these big billions, the guys that.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, you know, I don't trust billionaires.
Speaker 4: I know our.
Speaker 2: Company's really hurting for money, but I need another fifteen
percent bonus this year. Like no, no, no, that's that's
not a So don't you know the York it's good
to have that faith, I hope. So, but I think
it's a lot of you know, words soud and whatnot.
So milk towst us. Any rumors has to win. Wonder
Woman gets rehabilitated on silver screen. You like this quote?
Speaker 1: Uh? So?
Speaker 2: James Gunn today said that the Batman and wonder Woman
films will go into production immediately when the script is good.
Speaker 1: So when is that love it?
Speaker 4: Who knows?
Speaker 1: It's like my parache comment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, who knows who? And what is that defining as
good as James Gunn you know for some And that's.
Speaker 1: What's interesting, is that getting an interview or something or
he just yeah.
Speaker 4: He was an interviewed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's always posted on his social media. Yeah, they're
going to know that he was an interview and they
got asked. But which is funny because I feel like
a lot of people I don't even cold myself.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know, I don't know if I want
to say this. I just like I've said it before.
Speaker 2: It's just my always worry is Matt Reeves handing in
the Batman two's script and changed everything. I don't know
about this, And I'm not saying Jameson shouldn't give notes.
It's just like there's always gonna be people that might
like something that you don't write. So I just hope
that if something doesn't speak to him, but if it
speaks to others, I hope he like, let's say Peterson's
I really love this. I hope he is the where
though to go, Hey, we're gonna go with this right,
you have to do that. So I'm not and that's
what I mean. I'm I'm talking about James Gunn like
a fake version because I don't really know James Gunn.
I'm just saying, like, if this is the James Gunn
and for me, after I saw Superman, I would not,
for my personal taste of your say, hey, this is
a guy that's gonna give the green light if he
thinks the Batman two scripts good enough. I don't know
about trust that because I think Superman two is or
Superman is in a whole different universe than the Batman.
The Batman is is tippy top comic book stuff or
Supermanch's like, yeah, a good time, So you know, I
know that sounds a bit harsher. And again, James going
to be is directed. I have all his films ten
to ten. I love Peacemaker. I'm just saying on this
the situation.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 4: Yes, but I gotta see it again. I have not
seen that in super in a long long time.
Speaker 1: So is the second one you just said.
Speaker 2: Super the rain wilsone where he's being a superhero. It's
like really realistic.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there you go see that before? No, Wilson.
Speaker 4: Yes, and Elliott Page Oh wow.
Speaker 3: No, the only ring Wilson super movie I can think
of as my super ex girlfriend starring Oh he.
Speaker 4: Isn't that he's like buddy of Anna Faris Wilson.
Speaker 1: Luke Wilson, that's his name.
Speaker 4: I still got it.
Speaker 1: I liked it. I like that movie. I can't quite
remember it all all the way, but it's probably been
a while I.
Speaker 4: Have not I don't think i've seen it in full.
So there you go. I think you're giving his ads
off too much benefit. I think I was not.
Speaker 2: I was saying there could be all version. But if
you're say, hey, gun your head dress, what anything happened?
I think you have black Superman and then threw it
away like that's what I think you know? So uh
details us. I know this doesn't mean anything for the
box office. But those Superman steel books sold out quick.
That's tough because they only make a few of them,
right detall, Like, I don't think they're a huge amount.
Speaker 4: They look good, don't get me wrong. Have you seen
the the steel books?
Speaker 1: No, but I will right now.
Speaker 4: Sorry, your comes getting worried. He's like, we're still got
two more topics. It's ten, you know id edit this.
I'm joking. I get that, have you there's that one?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: Did you see the Drastic World steel book that was
go around our discord which down below him and joined
the discord? If you like, Hey, if people I see
the new review in the chat, if you like talking
with us and talking with the people in here joining
a discord, We're always talking about this ship having a
good time.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: But did you see the Jurassic World steel book that
was floor on our discord that Taaror is pissed about.
Do you see it screen share? When you get it
screen it's it's good.
Speaker 4: Let's see. Uh. Espa says they just need to do
They just need to actually do the black label thing.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a rumor every year saying they're
going to be doing it as a separate brand everything,
and it never happens. I agree with the s pups
and for me it needs to be not just well
the Batman two is part of the Black lives like, nah,
you were gonna do that regardless, I agree with you.
Jason has said it's gonna happen or like an else
World's label. But at the same point, I still think
they do need to establish their stuff. Maybe even twenty
twenty seven would be a good year. When it's the Batman,
do you take another else?
Speaker 4: World's there? So let's you got it? There, it's her
on the fucking clip like.
Speaker 1: I don't even know, like which one is it?
Speaker 4: Oh? No, none of the bad ones are here. I
don't think like all dressing world. It's her like on
a cliff if anyone, let's see which what did you
put in? Put rebirth? Put rebirth putting? Yeah, put in rebirth. Yeah,
this should be right here. Yeah, oh that one right there,
it's that right there. Yeah, that's the one. She looks
like she's cgied under the box.
Speaker 1: It's Taylor. If you're a true Dinosaur fan, you have
to buy this.
Speaker 4: He was so bitch, you said, these fucking people taking
my money or whatever.
Speaker 1: It is, so like, what's this?
Speaker 3: It's just like images of like a really uninteresting scene
from them the boat.
Speaker 4: Well, no, that's the big sea member. That's that's the
same they get chased. So oh let's see here.
Speaker 2: Milk Toast says, your audiences aren't like comic fan boys.
They don't want an off brand versions of the character.
They they like, they don't want Batsman and they want
Superman and milk toast. That's why I want. It's not exact,
but that's why I want the two Batman movies to
really see. Okay, you know, can they work?
Speaker 4: But I.
Speaker 2: I agree and disagree because I throw Joker Now. I
know what you might say, Hey, Joker is always a psychopath.
I mean the first Joker movie was very different, right,
that was a very character study, very independent feeling. Tip
movie also didn't work off for the second one. I
think that's a lot due with Field didn't want sequel musical,
but I feel like that was very different and that
was like an off brand sort of thing, right, So
I think it's case by case basis. What do you
think or do you think people in general don't want
off brand characters or do you think it's case by
case where you're in.
Speaker 3: That No, I think he's I think he's dead on
with that statement. I think what makes those offshoot versions
of the characters so entice to me is like, I've
seen this character before, I know what he's doing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Great, Yes, it's it's like me with Star Wars and
like jedis are cool, I guess, but like I want
the fuck in just the rule of two perspective, because
we never get that perspective and and and the old
Republic stuff like I want to see stuff that I
haven't seen before. So I think he's, uh, he's very
accurate with that. And I mean, was that one movie
bray Burn, like that was a good example. Oh yeah,
really interesting concept. Well didn't do well at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yourxist Johnson has more successful career than the rock
at DC at the moment.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, of course, Like at the same time, not
surprised this guy's I'm just trying to.
Speaker 2: I'm not like, here, here's the question, and here's the
check an answer current you can answer. Let me find
what Black Adam made. If they put out a peacemaker
movie right now on a TV show, a peace maker movie,
do you think it would be a Black Adam movie.
Speaker 3: Well, Black Adam had like a million, like a goodillion
dollar budget, didn't it.
Speaker 4: Well, not the same problem saying so the box office.
Speaker 3: But if they put like a billion dollars some money
into the film, I would hope it's better than someone
that put a lot less money.
Speaker 2: Black Adam had a budget of uh sixty that's some
rock fuck right there sixty somewhere somewhere in there. But
let's just round up and made four hundred million. Do
you think if they put on a Peacemaker movie today
it'll make four a million?
Speaker 4: Because I think absolutely fucking not. So that's where Yark.
Speaker 2: I disagree where it's tough on TV because the same
thing if you're saying, oh, the Rock's on HBO a
black like an HBO Black Adam series that could have
done just as well as peace Maker. So I think
I love John Cena, don't get me wrong, but I
still think most any movie, I think if they remake
The Matrix and you put Rock in John Cena, I
think people go see the Rock. I'm not saying who's better,
but I think The Rock still is more pull than
John Cena.
Speaker 4: Right now.
Speaker 2: The only way John Cena might oust him is in
a pure calmedy situation, because I think that's what people
want from John Cena, is to see them. I know
Peacemaker is comedic, but that's also very like that cuts
off a law of the audience that's very you know, oh,
dick and fart jokes and whatnot. Even if you make
a PG thirteen, I still have my money on Black Adam.
Speaker 1: Yeah, York says, no, you know you disagree, I'll ban you.
Speaker 4: No, I'm joking.
Speaker 2: Let's see, Nico Belk, I'm not gonna something fire the flame,
Nico Belk. I'm not gonna answer this fully because it's
spoils to the movie. I'm just gonna say one because
that's the way they wrote it. And two, maybe Lex
put something in the costume so two men couldn't see
the X right through. You know he thinks of everything details.
Speaker 1: Is underpowered, right, that's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, his X really only works when it's fully set out.
Some rain doesn't work at all. Jurassic World Rebirth, All Time,
Bad Steel Book. I think we agree you there.
Speaker 2: Oh Man, milk Toe's hot hot take the Rocks starting
a Sergeant Rock.
Speaker 4: Could you imagine James gun and the Yeah, I don't.
It's a hot. I don't think it's the worst because
you know, gott to again and workout. So but no,
Sergeant Rock's just a just a sergeant. He's just an
army general.
Speaker 2: That was that movie, remember they were gonna make but
then they kind of canceled it. But then like, no,
that's not cancel It's just a hold for now.
Speaker 1: No, I'm down there.
Speaker 4: You go.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's take another ad break and then we'll be
right back. Okay, you know, Kirker, I think that last
topic of the Riverfield TV shows. We're gonna say that
for another time because we got a juice going on
here already. So big thank you everyone in the chat,
jumping in everything. It was a fun night right now.
Just lots of random questions also all but two man,
but big thank you to you. Guys made this be
a two hour show and we didn't even get their
awle topics. But we're gonna talk about our last DCU stuff.
We're gonna talk about clay Face, mister Drivic, Jimmy Olsen
and Peacemaker details. I suppose says, what what a panel
of Dwayne? Oh god, what would a panel Dwayne Johnson
announcing he's starting to look like.
Speaker 4: The fireworks. He'd come out with like the big like
like army gear. He'd come out on a.
Speaker 3: Tank for sure, big like sponsored by Zoa, also everywhere,
like banners, all of his friends.
Speaker 1: Whatever he's pitching, he would.
Speaker 2: I supposed says, I love this character since I was
a kid, my fair character, and yeah, he's going to
be like, yeah, my uncle, you know, he fall on
the Wars and he said, like, what what am I
gonna do?
Speaker 4: Lil Dwayne? Like what Dwayne said, Like what am I
gonna do? Way gone? Uncle Les like, well, you know, DJ,
he's a comic Dady, keep you, keep you happy. And
he had me his comment and it was Sergeant Rock.
Speaker 1: That's why I took the moniker of the Rock.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. I knew I wanted to be just like him.
And then my uncle he died, and this movie is
for a monk, and he'll be like, you know, Jimmy.
Speaker 2: Ship, it's been my uncle, you know, get now, yeah,
get him, get com in to a mingo, Sergeant Rock.
Speaker 3: No, I want him as normal, but you would be
in character though for the reveal, just like he did
black at him.
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, I guess he couldn't do that though in
like a comic con set and I him walking.
Speaker 4: Out with like a like a fake you know, it's
a fake machine gun that might be uh.
Speaker 1: Everyone's just but still.
Speaker 4: Like in America, not the greatest gun laws there.
Speaker 2: So I think the Rock might get in some trouble,
but uh, all right, let's go point by point by this, Uh,
this is a rumor right now, but it's supposed that
clay Face will not entirely be said in Gotham. The
rumor is that his accent happens in Gotham and then
he goes to the Hollywood to get the surgery. And
it said that no DC characters, including Batman, are going
to be in this. So what do you think about
clay Face not being in Gotham and.
Speaker 3: A crazy statement? I don't believe they are any means.
I think there's gonna be at least some like offshoot
side character that has like appeared in a DC coll.
Speaker 2: All the cast listenings apparently are all for like new
original characters other than clay Face.
Speaker 1: Why even make a clay Face then, if we're going
this round, I sure.
Speaker 4: Sounds like Sony Marvel to me.
Speaker 1: It really does, though it really really does New York
Not initially like when.
Speaker 3: I was reading the statement, I'm like, okay, okay, I
don't know, Like you don't need Batman to do a
clay Face story, Like he's a really interesting character with
many layers.
Speaker 1: I think you could do so many interesting like.
Speaker 3: Detective whatever La noir type films like around the clay face.
Of course, I'm pulling this off of the Cape Crusader
version because that was probably this is.
Speaker 4: Going to be the monster it's described as like the substance,
which is.
Speaker 1: Like even more fitting to like pair up with a
batman and in Gotham. So I don't like the likes
of this or sorry, the sounds of this it uh
and yeah, you nailed it with the Sony Verse comparisons.
It has that just plastered all over it.
Speaker 3: Obviously, I'm hoping that's that's not the case, because if
this does come out, I will be seeing it, and
I don't want to just sit through garbage. I want
it to be good because, like I said, like I
was piquing my interest off of Cape Crusader. But yeah,
a lot of red flags already and this is like
ways away and I'm already super red flag in this.
Speaker 4: No, this is next year.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's really not that far. I'm still is it
filming like already?
Speaker 4: Like kay that soon? Yeah, because it's supposed to be
again thirty four minute, so it's cheaper, right, like just stuff.
Speaker 1: I do like the sound of that. I'm you know,
I'm an advocate for cheaper films.
Speaker 2: I just wish we had the Batman in this universe. First,
I don't like the order of it. It feels very
like that stuff has made me.
Speaker 1: He's super attached to like his origin.
Speaker 2: Well the script apparently that, yeah, But the script that
Mike Flannagan wrote it on is based off Feet of Clay,
which is a Batman and Made series episode which is
about you know, Batman taking them down. So it's gonna
be weird with the resolution, is there. I can see
where you can change the stuff. I just go, why
not even if you don't see Batman, why not send Gotham.
I'm sure they probably go wall if we send in Gotham.
Speaker 4: You know they have to be Batman. He's sucking up,
I guess, but you always make him busy.
Speaker 2: Same thing of like I love to like if you
don't get Batman in there, fine that you don't want
to interest something big, But what if you introduced like
Gordon in there or something like that, like some of
those other you know, Gotham characters or like another the
bat family is going. So what if you like, hey,
we don't Batman, but like night when he's gonna be
in this or something like that. You know, like Barbara
absolutely sure, let's do it. That'd be you want and
all that, and the budget goes way out, the budgets
gets inflated.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: The more and more I hear about this, I mean
a really I don't love the director choice either. I'm
gonna really need to be convinced. H just a guy's
done like a few horror movies that I think are
just fine. You know, it's it's because Mike Flanagan, who
wrote the script, one of my favorite current directors, was
too busy to direct it. My opinion always said, hey,
we're gonna boot this until you're ready, but you know
that's not how the Hollywood works. You gotta and this
could be a surefire hit because it's a cheap budget,
but I just I'm gonna have to see this one
to believe it. So I'm just I just don't like
the sounds of not sending Gotha, no Batman. It's sounding
very much like we're Spider Man. Oh he's you know,
will meet him someday, or then being like I know
that guy, but never.
Speaker 3: Said Smith's gonna be like this the number two in
this movie. Yeah, yeah, fucking dance scene Smith, who is great.
Speaker 4: Show mes Smith, greathouse, great of anythings? Uh. Right now,
there's been rumored talks from James gun That was back
to the Wall Street Journal argument article.
Speaker 2: He told it was a bill interview but on a
deep dive that he's looking into television spinoffs for mister
Trimic and Jimmy Olsen terrimic, fuck, mister Terrific and Jimmy Olsen, Kirklyn,
you uh looking forward to?
Speaker 3: That is the Jimmy Olsen just gonna be like a
goon fest or he's just like slaying slinging dick constantly
and it's just like shame.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just like a sex addict, like he's actually sad.
Speaker 2: Hang On, before we continue, Mike says, on one hand,
it worked for the Batman, took place got from but
no major characters. But difference he was introducing the Batman.
That's what I would like his clay face to be
introduced first. And then second is you still had like, uh, Karma,
what the fun did I fuck? I forgot about the balloons.
Speaker 4: You had Carmine.
Speaker 2: Salad Moroni in there, you had the hang woman like
Maroni's uh Falcon's daughter and you had other connections. They
talked about the flood that went into the movie, right,
you know, at the end you got a letter from Catwound.
I'm not saying you're completely wrong, Mike, but I still
feel like there's like a few more touches where if
you're in New York, there's you're not bumping to Alfred
Pennyworth there, you know. So yeah, yeah, and Milk quote says,
I'd be like making a catwe movie without Batman.
Speaker 4: Oh wait, yeah, we've been down that road before.
Speaker 2: So or like making a Morbiust movie or a Craven
the Hunter movie, or you know, I'll say vandom worked
for a bit. You watch c No, I've still never
seen Craven. That's like the only comic film I've still
never seen yet.
Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm waiting for, but uh no,
it's going nowhere. I'm so far.
Speaker 2: I still finished Squid Game, Sam Man's Out, I got
nineteen ninety four stuff.
Speaker 4: There's a bunch of new films on the watch. They
don't watch Craven. No, No, do not spinoffs? Terrific Olsen
you want.
Speaker 3: It, spinifs, spinoffs, spinoffs. I like the Terrific one. Just
because I really like the character. I think that was
a highlight in the film. So and there's just a
lot of interesting things going on with that character. I
think you can flesh out to a full TV series. So,
is this like mister Terrific and Jimmy Olsen like against
the World?
Speaker 1: Separate separate shows? Jimmy alson off this, Like what are
we doing here? This is so ridiculous.
Speaker 4: I guess if you're looking at cheap budgeted shows Jimmy Olsen, what's.
Speaker 1: It gonna be? Though? Like, what's he gonna do? Is
he gonna fight crime?
Speaker 3: Like I only see it as like a meme where
it's just like Jersey Shore, But Jimmy Olsen he just
pardoning all the time.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't think I go that route.
Speaker 2: I think he would be like a Daily Planet show
with Jimmy Olsen is the lead, and it would be
like a comedic Yes, it'd be comedic and like kookie
things that happen in the Daily Planet.
Speaker 4: To me, this is something where you know.
Speaker 1: It what I just picture you like as like the show,
like trying to pitch this to like the heads, it's
like they're just doing kookie things and was.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, blacks know Jimmy ol comedy dick.
Speaker 2: Oh you mean this in this movie you made the
white character have a big dick, yeah, green Lit, you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: I would think it's a plant.
Speaker 2: This is one to me where you know, for the
first time we had an MSU project come out uh
Arnart that we did not review.
Speaker 4: We've not reviewed it.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about it in a year at some point maybe,
but that's the first time for us. I think maybe
I'd watched the episode give or whatever, but like that
would be I think a series we would be skipping.
I don't think the GV crew would be dedicating their
time to that one because I just I just feel like,
I guess if it's really cheap and you can get
some wins, but I'm just saying, like, if you're starting
a universe, this should not be on the play. And
that's one thing I will say to me if this
show goes forward. That's one of those.
Speaker 4: Things where like it's a James gunnisms and he loves
Jimmy Olsen, and I think some of the Jimmy Olsen
comedy was very James Gunn right, and that to me
would be a very like oh yeah, I love this character.
I love the comedy, so I want the show. It's like, no,
sometimes like that's too far, and I just don't think
you know, we're not No Olsen Adventures Midnight Reviews absolutely
fucking Elizabeth. Maybe not, Jimolutely I'll review anything Elizabeth Olsen
at any time.
Speaker 2: Jimmy Olsen. No, and don't be wrong. We check out
review nothing. As the actor, he did a fine jobs,
just like the story. I just even think Day of
Planet show No, I think you need to be specific
with your response.
Speaker 4: And back to Ironheart. Same thing with mister Terrific. I
loved in the movie. Thought he was great. Same thing
as Ironheart.
Speaker 2: I'll talk about more on Thursday and the what even
watching the section, but I watched it and there I
love Dominique.
Speaker 4: In the role. But I was always like, you know what,
sometimes characterists maybe they don't.
Speaker 2: Need their own projects like this right, And I was like,
I'd be very excited to see her young Avengers, but
I don't know if we needed the show. I wonder
if mister Drivick could be like that where it's like
in concept it's great, but when you get eh, I'd
rather him just be on Justice League or in the
Justice A gain like whatever, right, So I'm I would
be a I wouldn't be a post. I'd like to
see the pitch, I think, and he did a great job,
so he don't get me wrong. That's where they announced it.
Oh yeah, it makes perfect sense. He was one of,
if not the standard, everyone talks about.
Speaker 4: So sure.
Speaker 2: I still also think, like, let's see how peace Maker
season two and again this is not he didn't announce this,
this is rumor, right, but I'd be like, let's see
how Peacemaker goes, and then also let's see how Lantern
goes next year because it's like a whole new venture. Right,
So uh yeah, Jimmy Olson, no, no shot at all,
you know, like let that can't that can't happen. You
can't do you can't do Jimmy Olson's show.
Speaker 1: Can't keep getting away with this? That was the great
Uh Jesse what's his last name? Pigman? There can't get
away with this? Yeah, it sounds this This reminds me
of like was it Agents of Shield where you.
Speaker 4: Had or damage Control or like my father was multiple No,
there's agent show?
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm wrong?
Speaker 2: Can someone guy in the chair. You know that supposed
to you. Someone tell me there was a show that
was on you remember when they launched the DC Universe app.
Speaker 4: You remember that and then you just fold that in hbout.
Speaker 2: So they did a show where it's like Superheroes and
super Hills, Deshoy the City and this is about the
crew that uh puts it back together and fix it.
Vanessa Hudgens was in the show. Alan Alan Tudick was
in the show. Is Bruce Wayne's cousin you know who
I don't think was a real character in the comic books,
but this is a show they did. So there's a
couple of these shows. Yeah, but that to means like
Agent Child, where it's like this is or like did
you remember Peggy Carter got our own show?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No I did, Yeah, And like everything that we just
listed is so much more interesting than a Jimmy Wilson
show to me, And like, who knows, maybe they're gonna
like just set it up in a really interesting way.
I'm gonna see that trailer and be like, fuck, this
looks good, But as of right now, I don't see
that that future possibility happening. And yeah, all these shows
that you just listened off. Sounds so much more interesting in.
Speaker 2: The show it was a network. I'm gonna say, NBC,
I think you know what. I know, Kreoing, We're going along,
but I'm pulling up the fucking trail.
Speaker 4: Please dude, up the trail made it down.
Speaker 2: This Carter is good stuff, especially second thing I've never
seen Agent Carter. I should go back and watch because
I like, I should put them to do this because
I love Haley Atwell and I've heard the show is good.
Speaker 4: So it's like that's a pro right there. At Well
can do no wrong.
Speaker 1: So and that's considered canon right like it takes place,
it is now.
Speaker 2: Before it was kind of like iffy thing, but then
they've brought characters back in so I think it is
so uh And then Superman says a he would have
thought a HOWK Girl spin off would be ideal. I
I think if she would have had a better showing
in the movie, maybe, But you know what, it could
happen because after Last of Us, I think they probably
really like Isabelle mor said, so, I'd be down.
Speaker 4: I think maybe you do another Stuperment too, or something else.
Speaker 1: Would this has been filmed after Last of Us? Pretty
kind of tandem, pretty similar time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like this one was short, so I feel like
last of Us was first. Then they went over here
but oh man, even the thumb now, like I means,
is that for the DC official Okay, no it's not
the official ty see page.
Speaker 4: Thank god. It was just like get in the screen
like this, I'll pull it up here. I just got
an ad but yeah, this was something. I guess it
was an NBC.
Speaker 2: But then they eventually were like I think, like, oh
next Day on the DC Universe app or whatever it was.
Speaker 4: But it's yeah, and I couldn't believe Hudgens was in this. Okay,
here we go, Okay, pull this up.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, look at that simple.
Speaker 4: Okay, you can hear it? A plane?
Speaker 1: God dude, what is going on?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You seriously can't tell the difference between a bird and
a plane. Oh that guy and this would be the
GI also show.
Speaker 4: This would be they.
Speaker 3: Go back.
Speaker 1: But that was worse than the log truck. I think
that competed the log truck.
Speaker 4: Welcome to White Security.
Speaker 1: My god, it's so many You seriously can't tell the
difference between a bird and a plane.
Speaker 4: I'll stay, I'll go back and pose it that.
Speaker 3: Was your empty and then they had like a bus
that also is the same. I mean I shouldn't judge
too hard. It is NBC channel.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's that's not great. But yeah, we'll keep going.
Welcome to Wayne Security. They are green lighting. Yes. Oh yeah,
you're working for Bruce Wayne, Bruce Wayne's cousin. I told
him about you.
Speaker 1: You talked to Bruce Wayne about me.
Speaker 4: No, I will text to you. What look at his reply?
Speaker 1: Stop using my HBO go password. The Joker.
Speaker 4: Invisible. Yes, don't lose any pieces.
Speaker 1: I just putting its equiptize.
Speaker 4: And how does the Superman I can't believe take me
a scenario into account.
Speaker 1: I mean, what does she do in though? Like she
is in like some terrible home.
Speaker 4: Was in an oscar moved a couple of years ago.
Remember girl felt through that musical Like I know she's
saying that. Yeah, whatever I'm not saying. Vanessa Hudgens is
like a t orshould like she should not. This should
have been not.
Speaker 1: I hope she got well it's something good for one.
Speaker 4: She was the first name I thought we were here
to change the world. Who told you that it's a
company model? Oh?
Speaker 1: That No, that came with the office.
Speaker 4: This used to be a diaper company. Holy fuck. You know,
feel like, hey, whoever watched that show? Good on them?
Speaker 1: I don't know to let us know your thoughts and
if you could recommend it to us.
Speaker 4: There's gonna be no that. There's no Patreon producer, retro
teer for that.
Speaker 1: That's TV series.
Speaker 4: No not yeah for that one. Let's see quickly here Supergirl,
Hawk w All team up. Too expensive? Now, that's good too.
I want it.
Speaker 3: Hawk people like, if you get Hawkman in there, eventually
you think you're.
Speaker 2: Still getting too expensive. I think once you get two
Hawks in there the budget, then you gotta do a movie.
Speaker 4: You know. The Ghostwriter. Season of Agents shows some top
tier COMBA content. I've heard that. I've heard good things
about that season. Oh my god, we got one Superman
mic I watch all Powerless.
Speaker 2: It was actually pretty okay. There's an episode where Hudgens
dates a riddler Henchman. Okay, that's that's kind of fun
and yeah, maybe that's that made.
Speaker 4: That trailer is just uh just awful. So it is.
There you go, milk toasts. I think Pilos was the
last time we see at the Westlin screen well, you know,
maybe in fifty years, when we have no content root
to review, we'll be doing that. So all right, we
got our lab old just.
Speaker 1: Great peeling my skin as I'm watching Powerless.
Speaker 2: It'd be so depressing when we make the sixty year
highlights and we see how young we were, like, oh
my god. All right, so it's our last thing. And
then we got just a quick Patreon question here. But
so in the same interview that he talked about the
which thing was it shit which you made a joke about,
he's just saying this, oh the bat and one hover thing. Yeah,
same interview, you're saying that this is the quote because
they asked the interviewers like, oh something about Crypto, like
they were really important. Sup May said yeah.
Speaker 4: And then then the interview was like, yeah, it's kind
of like a rocket and guardians that it became like
the whole heart of that story, right, And James like, well.
Speaker 2: You know, like I wouldn't say rocket Rock is definitely
not the heart of the DC universe and where it's going.
But this was a colle he says, And here's a
statement from the Twitter Council. The jam gun teases the
DCU is built around a character the fans I've seen before,
but probably isn't one that anyone would ever expect, and
then he went on to say, I think if people
watch the next season Peacemaker, they'll see where.
Speaker 4: A lot of the things are going.
Speaker 2: I don't know Curriculne feels about this, but again, listen,
I think there's many benefits to James Gunn being the
DC head. I think there's more pros and cons. And
I wish Tay is here because Tito is the biggest,
like one of the beggest James Gunna hater evolve. But
I don't know, maybe after Suitman has changed around, but
he's always like what he said, look at this, look
at it, look at this interview, look at this photo.
But I'm not that fully, but I I think he
is smart enough not to let something like this happen.
If there's a situation where for some reason, Peacemaker or
one of those type of characters do become like one
of the uber important characters becomes I don't know, for
some reason, I'm a guffin.
Speaker 4: That's a no go for me. That that's definitely gonna
take some grades down.
Speaker 2: I think that just just screams like well, you know,
peace Maker was was my property. So now that I'm
gonna put in the DC where I run it, you know,
Peacemaker or yes as it says Amelia Harcourt aka Jennifer Hall,
and they're gonna be the vital piece of this. It's
like that's where I think you will get people determine you.
It just becomes eye rolly. So I don't know what
his text is here. My hope is he's more just
kind of bullshitting and he's just trying to make sure
you watch Peacemaker season two and there's something else in there.
But when he says something you've seen before, I don't know,
maybe that still means it's someone in uh Superman that's
gonna be in peace Mayer. I don't know this is
quote you know, maybe worry a little bit Kirkling. So
I'm not sure. Do you think what did you take
from this quote of you know, it's gonna be built
around a character we've seen before. If you watched Peacemaker
season two, you know what about this one? Rick Flake
Senior not awful because I could see like that's a
weird pick, but at least he has different contingencies going on, but.
Speaker 3: You would kind of be like the nick theory of
the could be Yeah, of the batch. I mean, yeah,
it's definitely a concerning comment, not one that I think.
It's like getting the reception that he maybe would have
hoped something like that. This will really get people talking
on who this could be?
Speaker 1: Who could this be?
Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully it's Tim Robbins or Peacemaker too. You know
Tim Robbins, Remember we watched that trailer and he's like,
you big titties. He gives them all the name. He's like, hey, dude,
don't give the nickname. Yeah, get him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like for myself, I'm like holding
out hope. It's like a character we just haven't really seen.
Speaker 4: But he says we've seen them before.
Speaker 1: That was the quote, Oh god, okay, I misheard him then, yeah,
quote I mean Peacemaker.
Speaker 2: The DCU is built around a character that fans have
seen before. But I guess what he says fans have
seen before? Does that mean a Peacemaker or have just seen.
Speaker 4: Before before? What if it's Ezra's Flash, Oh, Tim Meadows,
thank you, Superman, Mike. Yeah, what if it's what it's
Flash as Mills flashed back.
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be Ezra.
Speaker 4: Quinn.
Speaker 3: I feel like we're just veering away from that. I mean, yeah,
it could be technically any DC characters.
Speaker 4: I feel like we're just beering away from that. I
feel like we took a hard fucking right.
Speaker 1: Turn not too far away, so we absolutely did. I
mean yeah, I don't want to speculate in too many
avenues because I don't want to get too excited and
I don't want to hopefully get too just sad by
what this is gonna mean when we get that reveal.
I am really looking forward to Peacemaker season two.
Speaker 4: I love like season one Superman some fun connections in there, Yeah.
Speaker 3: For sure, So I'm very much looking forward to that,
and I think it is gonna be a good season.
I this is obviously even the first time where we
have like big tie ins to like big film things,
just because we have James gunn like leading the charge.
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say, and he's off the leash,
remember when he got the Justice League, which could be
as when we read a bad thing, we'll find out.
I feel like within two years we're gonna get a
good sense of this is a good move or bad move.
But remember he went to a Justice League in DC
would not let him have Superman or Batman appear and cyborgs.
That's what we got, you know, That's why they were
like like yeah, blanked out, but we got Ezra on Ackaman.
So this is like there you know who he goes
to ask if he can get justly in there himself,
you know, like there's there's nobody else.
Speaker 3: You know, he probably talks to himself a lot in
the mirror and just yeah, god, damn, James, you were
good today just.
Speaker 4: Locking the door figured out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wish Taylor was here to just vent about this,
but no.
Speaker 4: Because he likes no, No, James Gunna is lead the way,
you know after like recently, well because he gave it.
He gave high score to me Superman.
Speaker 1: Right, so oh yeah I guess so yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just a point five under you.
Speaker 1: So no, yeah, okay, fair enough.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, speculating who it could be, like anyone
that I can think of that I've seen before, and
like specifically just in this era of DC that we've
seen with James Gunn or the Peacemaker characters, it doesn't
get me too excited.
Speaker 4: No, but I don't like.
Speaker 3: But that being said, like I don't want to just
not see like Peacemaker like John Cena, Like I do
like him, but like having him as a focal point
for this whole adventure doesn't seem like the right move there.
So yeah, this this is very real perplexity. I think
in the discord I threw out that is just a joke.
It's gonna be James gunn As himself.
Speaker 2: He wasn't Creature Command of Credits for whatever, And I
don't think I don't think you know this story. But
he said when he got the job of the DCU president,
the first two people he called was Kevin Faige and
the second person he called was John Cena. So that James,
but no, he did call John Cena seconds.
Speaker 1: I just wonder, it's like, oh man, it's happening. It's like,
oh God, it's gonna be John Cena.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I don't know Milktoe's ass.
Speaker 2: How does Peacemaker fit into the new DCU, considering the
Season one took place in dc the old DCU. I
think it's gonna be a quick, a very quick answer,
and it's just gonna be some multiverse mumbo jumbo, and
even then they've said like some stuff happened in the
suit said squad and peacemaker some something like here's the thing,
which is some people might think this is dumb, but
he said some stuff from susaid squad cannon. So he
said Peacemaker killing Rick Flagg Joel Kimman's cannon and that's
why Riklake Senior is gonna be after him.
Speaker 4: But then this week he said Idris.
Speaker 2: Elba shooting Superman with a Kryptop bullet did not happen.
So it's just gonna pick and choose. So really, I
think you have to look at this Peacemaker is just
Johnson is playing him again. It's like how JK. Simmons
is playing j Jon Jameson in Knowing Home. It's a
new Jonah. So I think that's what's gonna happen. Is
it's going to be a Peacemaker that's slightly different with
slightly different canon. But again with multiverse stuff, we have
that moment the trailer, remember when the two Peacemakers face
off or they're staring at each other. So just I
think Multiverse mumbo jumbo they'll do that. I think it'll
be it could be iyerolly. But if they do it
in a joking way, it'll work. I just yeah, I
don't if he makes them really important, like something like, oh,
he's from the old Universe and we need to use
him to get to this X, Y and Z.
Speaker 4: I just that just feels it just feels like almost
like a like a weird form of nepotism. But with
your projects, you know, And I don't know. And again Peacemaker,
like maybe you'll like him, but he's not like a
billion dollar property character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you said, with the humor around him,
like it just seems like fart jokes and dick jokes,
and yeah, I can deter a lot of people if
that is not your bag, baby, like that that could
really deter you.
Speaker 4: Which again I'm not saying, let's say they do Justice
League and they gotta.
Speaker 1: Fart because he's a fart jokes.
Speaker 2: They gotta fight Dark Side again, God damn it, they gotta.
Let's say it's a situation where it's like inf anywhere
where the Guardians are in it. I'm completely fine if
peace Maker's in a Just League, he gets to be
that crazy side character. But that was some of my
complaints with Superman where I felt some of James gunn
humor does not work with.
Speaker 4: Some of the main characters. Super Shit for me did
not work for me.
Speaker 2: So that's where it's just like, I'm fine if he's
in a Justice League movie, maybe he's a member, sure,
but if he is like one of the Crux, like
a cap tone, You're like, no, no, that's not my bag.
Speaker 4: Baby.
Speaker 2: So so so show Taylors some corn sweat Bridge Brosseley
interviewed clips. Get him angry about Oh no, I spanned
with some last week. That's an after nine conversation f
subs little top other in the future. All right, fine,
if anyone has any questions, throw him in now, because
we're answered one last patron question. So anything else get
him in there and then we'll talk about it. But
our last question was a little bit off topics.
Speaker 4: I left in the end. But Charlie Randell, let me
find my Oh my god, where's my browser? Here? I
lost him?
Speaker 1: I know what you did last summer?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he asked a few here. Oh, I think I
found it. Here we go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, another question? Uh, is anyone seeing I know you
did last summer? And anyton this week? I know what
you did last summer. Absolutely not, because I went back,
Oh god, he's where what's he doing?
Speaker 4: It's his night off was tenth or two. You know,
it's not like me. He's got all our ears and
he's just he's watched some more cam footage of the
one of that those scenes in Superman.
Speaker 1: I said, thirty hour, I know he's doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a house, the dragon scene, lots of skin,
go and check it out. I know you did last summer. No.
A couple episodes. Go Charlie.
Speaker 2: I talked about where I watched the original and to me,
it aged very poorly. And the fact that this setup
for the new one was just the exact same revault
they hit a guy while they were drunken through his
bodyway to me was very like, oh okay, that's all
we're doing. So I will happily watch it on VOD
just to complete the cycle. But no, Eddington is going
to be a fifty to fifty. I don't know what
the screen times are. I very much want you. It's
Ariostra's next movie. I probably will try to see it
at some.
Speaker 4: Point this weekend.
Speaker 2: Thursday coming up for us, we got a double header
because we got two episodes of record. So but the
good thing is those two episodes might just be an
hour each.
Speaker 3: So if it's late and after the cast on Thursday,
you really are a menace.
Speaker 4: Well, I want to see any day like ari Astra's work.
Speaker 3: I want to see Eddington also, But like I'm looking
at a calendar here and like that's a lot of like.
Speaker 1: There's a lot, but not a lot of free days.
A couple squeezy moments this weekend. Who knows, maybe we'll
have to Sunday. I do really want to see Eddington.
Speaker 4: Sunday we can't because the thing we're doing that people
are gonna be touch right, and Taylor's gonna be taking
in the hospital because he's a fucking tattoo. He's gonna
be doing real stuff. Sunday.
Speaker 2: Saturday's my free day because I moved to I had
a double book and then Saturday night I got plans
with Emily Dexter. Taylor's gonna text us at eight thirty
four and be like, actually, can I get another hour
on Dexta? So luckily it's one episode talk like an
old time because he does sometimes. And then the other
thing for you that you don't have, fuck, I didn't
even know I had it. Fucking Donkey Kong's out on Thursday.
Speaker 1: I'm not getting that ship. Why are you putting me
in this mix?
Speaker 4: What did I just say to you?
Speaker 1: You said that the thing with you, and I said
the thing that you don't have, so you don't have
to do Okay, I was so.
Speaker 4: For me, I have Donkey Kong. So there's actually Charlie.
There is a good chance I don't see editing.
Speaker 2: I think what's gonna happen is at least this week
because I do want to play Donkin before the review,
and I have, like Kirk and said, in very little
time this week, I'm gonna probably lean on critics that
I like or people that I like other podcasters, and
if they really good things to say, then I'll go
see Because the other thing is two for me. I've
said before, I have no interest in COVID movies, and
this is a COVID movie. So as far as his
movies already asked, this is what I've been the least
interested in, even though I love the cast. Can't we
see Ema a Stone with Ari because she's doing weird
shit nowadays? So I want to see it, but it
i'd say, it's a fifty to fifty depends on those
casts on Thursday. That's why k're gonna be the only
time to slide in because then Monday I got side Quest,
and then Tuesday it's me and Tay of Weekly Geek.
Wednesday we got a double because you and Dylan's retros,
and then we got Fantastic four. So it's bay time,
you know, which I appreciate because people it's gonna be
here no time. Appreciate people support us again last month,
our biggest month and two and a half years.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: We're we're working hard, so I appreciate that you guys
are supporting clicking the download buns while we do that.
But sometimes free time, little little tight But you've seen
any of these the next little bit, No, you did
last summer, and I know you've been dying for I
know you did last time.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely not watching. I know what you did last
summer at all. I think I've seeing the original, but yeah,
no interest for this one. Anyting I really want to watch,
so hopefully I can squeeze in a uh.
Speaker 1: A moment. But like you see, we've seen both.
Speaker 3: Man, I an't see what you see I've seen bows
bringing up Bow as if it's like the best thing
since sliced bread.
Speaker 4: No, but you're like, I'm a big ri Astra fan.
But and that's part of his filmography.
Speaker 1: We'll get to it.
Speaker 3: I'm also like realizing with how busy our weeks are,
and like just looking at the coulend, I'm like, fuck,
we were running at time. I gotta start just spamming
out some nineteen ninety four movies. So I don't think
I'm gonna really commit to this anything right now, although
I do really want to see it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get to go on, geeks, and I'm gonna
be like, all right, kerk, go and tell us what's
your favorite ninety forur movies.
Speaker 1: He's gonna hit us with just having fun man making movies,
big adventure, having a great time. I'm like, oh, yeah,
I know. What do you guys thoughts?
Speaker 3: I think I agree with you guys, or be like, oh,
I thought it was nineteen ninety five. I watch all
these nineteen ninety five films. Can you imagine to that'd
be awful that.
Speaker 4: I'd question you as we gave you a list.
Speaker 2: Alright, some questions here, Dan it's Austubham make says has
seen Guy Gardner Instagram made you more or less excited
for Lanterns.
Speaker 4: More pertaining that he has to interact with both lanterns.
I want to see him in interact with John Stewart
for sure, but for some reason, I really want to
see him interact with How because How is played by
Kyle Chandler, and he's going to be like the veteran,
so the two veterans, and I just like Kyle Chandler.
I brought this so on Vogar stream, but just the
way of like, think of the way that Kyle Chandler
reacts with he doesn't know who Kyle Chandler is, the
way he was looking at me from King Kong.
Speaker 1: That guy what a right, Yeah he's in King Kong.
Speaker 5: It is just that's that's what your fold out Friday
Night Lights, not Wolf of wall Street, but that stuff
think about in Wolf of wall Street when he's there,
Jordan Belfoer and how annoying he is.
Speaker 2: If he can bring the energy to interact with Guy Gardner,
we got some great stuff going on, but I don't
know what's happening. But yeah, have you are you works
out for lanterns after seeing Guy Gardner, so I'd say,
I am, I am he's confirmed in it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I yeah, no, I definitely am. I I like
the performance.
Speaker 3: Remind me, how how is there like multiple like human
green lanterns. Isn't there just like one at a time
or am?
Speaker 4: I like?
Speaker 1: So I think it works.
Speaker 2: So again, because I'm not the biggest DC lore guy,
I think that's how it started. But I think they
just wanted to expand it and they probably you know what,
they probably did Kirk, because they probably went, Earth's getting
more threats, we need more lanterns.
Speaker 4: I bet right, that's an easy way because it probably
start off, oh, we just need one green lantern. But
now it's like you got Kaiju, you got likes Luthor,
you got Joker, you got all this stuff.
Speaker 2: So I bet that's what happens, that they just felt
they needed more land, they need more coverage on Earth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, milk toast, Yes, I'm looking at his
his list right here there is a part of early edition.
But more importantly, King Kong shouts out to King Kong,
and the reason why he came up so quick is because,
like I recently rewatched King Kong because I just that's
a good background film, not an United four film.
Speaker 1: But isn't that right, hot brother? That's me slapping you. Yes,
it is right.
Speaker 4: You're rewatching King Kong.
Speaker 3: And I said, well that was like probably a month
ago now, but week four, Yeah, there are like seven
human green lanterns or human green lanterns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes sense, milk toast. You should ask this question
again on I don't know. I think right now we're
going to be doing GMO. If you like wrestling, it's
myself as popsis and comments and Dave, we host a
wrestling podcast on the channel to check that out too,
on Sunday ten am PST. Very likely that is the
we're gonna be doing GM mode. Ask the question again
when the boys are there, but quickly to answer it.
Why doesn't the women of wrestling get more respect from
the IBC when it comes from discussions of ladies wrestling.
I think real wrestling fans completely discuss them properly and honestly,
I would say, if you were to look at the
percentage of men and women, I think women are the
better wrestlers right now. I think most of them are
just like people that not almost but the other people
are just like the Captain Marvel, Red Eye people or
the Supergirl that soon to be red Thumbnail people. It's like, oh,
they're taking over the main events scene. Most of it's
just because they feel inferior to themselves for some reason,
or they want to be a wrestler and they see
a woman do it's like, oh my god, they can't
do that, or they just for some reason want to
fuck them and they have this weird hate shorge to them.
I think the only people that don't give them the
respect are just fucking weirdos. And if anyone is like
that listens to the gimmick, you don't need to listen.
Like they just had evolution this weekend, I wasn't on
to check it out. Espos and David broke it down
by phenomenal show maybe the best wd pay review of
the year, and that.
Speaker 4: Was all women. So those are just weirdos and stuff.
So all right.
Speaker 2: And finally, gun Said also mentioned DCU is building to
invent No one is expecting that Peacemaker two is building
too as well. What do you think it is or
is that just wanting him to wanting people to watch
Peacemaker season two? I bet I think it's a bit
of that. I think there will be a building. I
am interested because he literally said, again, don't know if
this is a James gun and Cody lie. But he
said he doesn't want to talk about it because he doesn't.
Speaker 4: Oh fuckays, I think he went melt to somehow is
a woman arresting promotion?
Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong in that case that barely
anyone has watched it. Oh, then I want to completely
die tribe.
Speaker 4: And there you go. I have no idea what that is.
I have no idea what that is. So there you go.
That's why it's just it's not big enough. So but
my old statements make sense.
Speaker 2: He says he's not revealing this event because he doesn't
want people to steal the idea. Now it might sound dumb,
but when they when warn Bothers announced bvs. Figgy and
the Russo's changed Captain America three to Civil War.
Speaker 4: The russ have said that that. They said, oh they're
doing that. We got there.
Speaker 2: They can't beat us to the punch. So James Gunn
has been in the studio where they've literally been like,
we can't then beat them to us. What it is,
I really don't know because you couldn't say Justice League,
right because like that's Avengers.
Speaker 4: I like it has to be some comic art.
Speaker 2: But I really don't know, but I think will I
think luckily, I don't think he's lying in that sense,
even if it's like a one percent little hint, he
will hint towards it. But yeah, any ideas Kirkland and uh,
you think we'll get some stuff in peace Maker.
Speaker 4: Like he's saying, or you think James s Gun's just
trying to promote a show.
Speaker 3: Definitely, he's trying to promote the show. I think it's
one hundred percent given.
Speaker 2: Next episode, first you're gonna see something that you've never
seen on any other podcast.
Speaker 4: Tune in Thursday.
Speaker 3: Tune in, Yeah, and don't be disappointed. If it's something
you have seen before.
Speaker 4: You gotta watch the video version. That's what we.
Speaker 1: We'll all be naked, that'll be the new edition.
Speaker 4: But if that's a nature of the lights all off
again my.
Speaker 3: Glasses, then you can just see the reflection of everything, Like, yeah,
I think we'll be going into a bigger scale event,
especially if the rumors are true from the man himself,
and Peacemaker is going to be a bigger part just
to like kind of unshackle him into like the bigger
sphere of just the potential threats. I feel like this
could be a launching point into that direction, like like
if it is the route that we were just talking.
Speaker 1: About of, like.
Speaker 3: Peacemaker is going to be like a big figure stone,
like you think we get season three a Peacemaker or
is it just he's part of the big films now.
Speaker 4: If viewers are there for sure, it's back and forth.
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, I think Mike might have hit a nail
the head, which I was going to go that route too.
My pitch is gonna be, what if they're gonna be
like a Just League versus Justice League, But they somehow
got all the like the Snyder people back and they
were playing like all versions, so like there all of
them all you get bats like all of them like
you do that and you have them versus New One.
Speaker 1: But I think so rather than film, maybe he's ready.
Speaker 4: Saying I'm hoping for Lesion Doom. We never got a
proper super villain team up before.
Speaker 2: I might probably know this. I've been pitching this for years.
That was my pitch to what the first Avengers after
endgame should be an easy layup, established a team and
they fight. Just here's your bunch of villains together. The
fact that we have been doing this for I'm gonna
say in the pop culture, I'll say two thousand and
eight because that's when i'mon started the universe. The fact
there's been no comic book movie with villain's teaming up
is a big team like the Avengers to fight. Anybody like,
how many times does this happen to animated stuff? It's
never happened.
Speaker 4: It's so weird.
Speaker 2: I guess the only thing is maybe it's budgetary. Maybe
that's why people like that's a lot of money. But
then I don't know, pick some a lesser known, but I.
Speaker 4: Agree with you. Maybe that's it where you get that
cool bat.
Speaker 2: I love those posters mentioned that poster where you got
that just league and they got Lex and all his coons,
you know, like yeah, yeah, so yeah, we will see.
Speaker 4: But we'll end it there. We went longer, but thank
you to everyone that tuned in. If you like what
we do here, look on.
Speaker 2: The YouTube, follow us because we're always supposed to schedule.
We got our next newscast on Thursday, so we're talking
about fantastic court, predictions, what we've been watching, and anything
else that's popped up. But yeah, thanks everyone chat. This
was a very fun time, very lively discussion. I think
that's what the Superman movie is doing right now. Everyone
has big opinions on it, and we're gonna see we're
gonna be talking.
Speaker 4: About it, not even next week, but the next few weeks.
Speaker 2: So obviously we got our movie draft, but this is
the Superman box office and where it ends is going
to be a very interesting conversation. Same as Fantastic Four,
you know, and same as Jurassic World. Right now, it's
over half a billion already, so it's it's shrugging along.
It's still people love those dinosaurs. But we'll hit a billion,
I don't think so. So a big thank you everyone chat,
big thank you to everyone that listens after the fact,
and same thing.
Speaker 4: If you have some stuff you want to.
Speaker 2: Contribute to the conversation, you go to the YouTube or
down below is the discord, and we're always in there
talking about this very stuff, movie reviews, hot take stuff
like that. There isn't even a wrestling channel in there
to do that. So yes, when you hear from sex
I Promise you it will not be boring.
Speaker 1: Bye.