Speaker 1: Good evening, all of the good nights of the Roundtable,
Speaker 1: the Retinue, the.
Speaker 2: Squire Core, if you will. What's going on? Everybody? Welcome
Speaker 2: to another edition of the Cage to Night Live.
Speaker 1: I am your host, the Cage to Knight, Jacob Mook,
Speaker 1: and we have a few things to discuss here tonight.
Speaker 1: I have a few articles pulled up for some things
Speaker 1: going on in America and around the world, but some
Speaker 1: of the good members of this retinue have brought in
Speaker 1: a couple of other things to talk about. Now. We
Speaker 1: have discussed that there is a supposed serial killer.
Speaker 2: In New England.
Speaker 1: We've talked about briefly the one in Texas, but Anthony,
Speaker 1: you were giving me a little bit of insight Zombie
Speaker 1: was bringing up the one about Portland, and then you
Speaker 1: actually had a little more insight on it. So what
Speaker 1: exactly is going on as far as a serial killer
Speaker 1: in Portland, Oregon?
Speaker 3: So basically the way it started is some poor dummy
Speaker 3: didn't do their research and was kayaking up here in
Speaker 3: the Great Pacific Northwest at Monoma Falls and went over
Speaker 3: the edge of Monoma Falls real quick?
Speaker 2: Is that like a spot to kayak?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: That's a hotspot? For kayakers and shit.
Speaker 3: No, but it is a it is a very big
Speaker 3: hiking spot. Okay, I mean Monoma Falls is a landmark
Speaker 3: in the Portland area. Yeah yeah, so but there, I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously there's a small river that feeds the waterfall. So
Speaker 3: some guy went off the edge. Last I heard, they
Speaker 3: still haven't found this guy's body, but they were combing
Speaker 3: the Wilamotte River and the Columbia River. So for those
Speaker 3: that aren't familiar with the I'm just gonna say edge
Speaker 3: the Oregon Washington border. The Willamitt Rivers ever starts at
Speaker 3: the Pacific Ocean and feeds about three quarters of the
Speaker 3: way down the Oregon Washington border. Okay, Well, and the
Speaker 3: Columbia River branches off from the Willamette River and goes
Speaker 3: all the way down to like Salem, I think, right,
Speaker 3: but right through downtown. So they're combing because they don't
Speaker 3: know where this guy's body would have went, and they
Speaker 3: found like nine in the river. Thus far me personally,
Speaker 3: in my background, I'm surprised they've only found nine, especially
Speaker 3: if they've gone anywhere anywhere near downtown Portland, because I've
Speaker 3: had like five six people I know get found floating
Speaker 3: in that river, so okay, uh, but yeah, that's I
Speaker 3: haven't been paying too much, not overly attention, but just
Speaker 3: the basics. The only couple things that stick out to
Speaker 3: me that I'm waiting to hear about is one. So
Speaker 3: far I've heard it. I've heard it's all dudes being found,
Speaker 3: ok so, but I haven't heard if any smiley faces
Speaker 3: are being found around the river. So I'm waiting for
Speaker 3: that to see if somebody tries to say it's tied
Speaker 3: to the Smiley Face killers and then what was the
Speaker 3: other bit? Oh yeah, I mean that's yeah, that's that's
Speaker 3: pretty much it.
Speaker 1: These are these are recent bodies, Like these aren't like
Speaker 1: floaters that are all bloated, been there for like six
Speaker 1: months and they're just finding like these are recent murders.
Speaker 3: The bodies have been so from everything I've seen in
Speaker 3: granted I haven't done like super deep dives, just top
Speaker 3: like looking at uh headlines and just just the basics. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 3: it's bodies they found over the last like week and
Speaker 3: a half two weeks. I I honestly just kind of
Speaker 3: heard about it yesterday because I don't like super watch
Speaker 3: the news or anything. It just came across my feet somewhere.
Speaker 5: Wow, But I kind of pay attention to sechrenicities and
Speaker 5: I found out about this the same day I found
Speaker 5: out that in Damascus, Oregon, there is this temple to
Speaker 5: Oculus and Nubis. Ye like, And I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 5: saying there's a connection, but what I am saying is
Speaker 5: two weird things in one day.
Speaker 3: I don't usually hit that, so I don't know, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I sell that for that.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I absolutely hear you.
Speaker 1: Uh So, the Oculus Anubis, I don't even want to
Speaker 1: call it a temple. I'll call it like a compound, right,
Speaker 1: because there is a temple on the land. But there's
Speaker 1: multiple YouTube videos of people that snuck on the land,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately there's not much answers as far as like
Speaker 1: they know who started the construction on the place.
Speaker 2: They don't exactly know why.
Speaker 1: The original owners of the land and the dudes or
Speaker 1: I say the dudes, the people, the family, the whatever
Speaker 1: that we're building it to be very occult looking, pretty
Speaker 1: much quick construction. And there's rumors floating around that they
Speaker 1: were involved in drug running and they got caught so
Speaker 1: they just like stopped construction and it went up for
Speaker 1: foreclosure and they went for sale. There's some that say
Speaker 1: they just ran out of money and just stopped constructing
Speaker 1: altogether for other reasons, and they just cut bait and
Speaker 1: ran and sold it to the first person that would
Speaker 1: give them a decent deal. I don't know, but the
Speaker 1: Oculus and Nubis grounds in Oregon is that's a pretty
Speaker 1: wild one.
Speaker 2: I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: So twenty minutes the way I'm gonna find out this weekend,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2: Go for it.
Speaker 1: It is private property if you do sneak on to
Speaker 1: get some videos, for sure.
Speaker 2: And it's at the back of a neighborhood.
Speaker 1: It's not even like it's some big place and like
Speaker 1: you could see it from the interstate, like it's legitimately
Speaker 1: in the back end of this really upscale neighborhood and
Speaker 1: it's just a big gate at the front and you
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what you're looking for until you're there.
Speaker 2: It's it's wild.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Raven, I see your hand raised and I
Speaker 1: got the articles pulled up.
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 6: So that's actually down the street from where I grew up.
Speaker 6: And we were just looking it up last night when
Speaker 6: Anthony talked about it. And it says that it's it's
Speaker 6: because it was an embezzlement scheme and that's why they
Speaker 6: foreclosed it. And it's actually up for sale right now
Speaker 6: on Zillow and you can actually like book to go
Speaker 6: look at the property itself, because mom, because my family
Speaker 6: can do that. They do really or stuff. And so
Speaker 6: we were kind of like looking at all the property stuff.
Speaker 6: So it's on two hundred and forty second, so I'm
Speaker 6: curious to see like what it actually but pretty much
Speaker 6: what it says is I was an embezzlement scheme and
Speaker 6: that they like were building it for just pretty much
Speaker 6: their own stuff and that they that it closed down.
Speaker 1: So they were trying to start their own religion on
Speaker 1: their own land as a money laundering scheme and got caught.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've heard of.
Speaker 4: What I wouldn't doubt about it.
Speaker 6: I mean, there was we had in Damascus, there was
Speaker 6: a drug house on the main strip that got busted
Speaker 6: and shut down and now they turn it into like
Speaker 6: they have like a food food cart situation like next
Speaker 6: to it, Like there's drugs are pretty prevalent, so like
Speaker 6: for it to be a busted situation is not unheard of.
Speaker 1: There's this one house not too far from me on
Speaker 1: Old Perkins Road in Baton Rouge, and the house looks
Speaker 1: like a Spanish villa, but it is now a United
Speaker 1: Methodist church. The guy who built it was a big
Speaker 1: time coke dealer, like for years and years and years,
Speaker 1: then got busted.
Speaker 2: His house was so big that a church was able
Speaker 2: to take it and turn it into a church.
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, I feel that there's all kinds of
Speaker 1: crazy stories like this, But all right, all right, so
Speaker 1: sticking onto the whole serial killer and bodies being found
Speaker 1: vibes and gonna go ahead and share the screen at
Speaker 1: this time. I do want to apologize to everybody. For
Speaker 1: some reason, I am not able to upload these videos
Speaker 1: onto the Patreon. I don't know if it's because they
Speaker 1: got corrupted in the saving. I don't know if because
Speaker 1: this computer has been shitting the bed here in the
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks. I had to delete a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff and update some stuff, so I don't know
Speaker 1: if those video files are corrupted. So I do want
Speaker 1: to apologize to everybody who is on the Patreon. Episodes
Speaker 1: sixteen and seventeen. I have them saved, but I'm having
Speaker 1: issues uploading them to the Patreon. I hope and pray
Speaker 1: that the issues have been resolved to where this episode
Speaker 1: can get uploaded in timely fashion. And I'm not giving up.
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna try to figure out what's going on
Speaker 1: with these but I just wanted to give everybody that situation.
Speaker 1: It's not like I got lazy and forgot to upload.
Speaker 1: It's not allowing me to so anyway. Anyway, all right,
Speaker 1: actually have two different articles about these bodies being found
Speaker 1: in the Portland area here. This one is from KGW eight.
Speaker 1: I believe this is Yeah, it's an NBC subsidiary. Nine
Speaker 1: bodies found in Portland area river since mid April. Officials
Speaker 1: say seasonal spike is normal. The officials are saying that
Speaker 1: nine bodies found in this area's rivers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a seasonal spike. It's normal. Okay, that's Oregon's
Speaker 2: just super cool, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Authorities link the rise to warming water, which can cause
Speaker 1: bodies to float, and more recreational activity on the rivers,
Speaker 1: making the bodies more likely to be seen. All right,
Speaker 1: Maultinoma County, YEP. That's one of the most words. Nine
Speaker 1: bodies have been pulled from rivers across the Portland metro
Speaker 1: area since April thirteenth, a wave of discoveries that might
Speaker 1: seem alarming, but, according to law enforcement, does not point
Speaker 1: to anything.
Speaker 2: Out of the ordinary. Okay, word word. The most recent
Speaker 2: case is of body recovered near Meldrum Bar Park on Sunday,
Speaker 2: which the Clacamas Clackamas County Sheriffs I actually like that term,
Speaker 2: the Clacamus County. That's what's up Sheriff's office later identified
Speaker 2: as that of twenty year old Marcellus Angelo Rodriguez, a
Speaker 2: California man who disappeared while kayaking near Williammette.
Speaker 1: Falls on April twelfth. I think this is the one
Speaker 1: you were talking about earlier, Anthony. So I guess the
Speaker 1: search for this guy led to the discoveries of the
Speaker 1: other bodies. Meanwhile, the cops are like, well, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the spring. You'll have that nine bodies in three weeks. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it'd be like that. Sometimes. Witnesses reported seeing him go
Speaker 1: over the falls and not resurface. His kayak was later
Speaker 1: found more than seven miles downstream near elk Rock Island.
Speaker 2: Very original. The weekend also saw a flurry of recoveries
Speaker 2: by the Moultinoma County Sheriff's Office. On Saturday, two bodies
Speaker 2: were pulled from the Williamette River in Portland, one near
Speaker 2: the Steel Bridge in the afternoon and another that washed
Speaker 2: us shore at Cathedral Park that evening. Both were turned
Speaker 2: over to the medical examiner for identification.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, raven, it's the Lammette River in Moltnomah County.
Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, let me the Maltinoma.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's Moltonomah.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: You were saying you were You were not saying that.
Speaker 7: And it's Multon It's it's not Multoma. It's Moltonomah, Moltonoma Okay.
Speaker 7: And then will you met lam It? Oh, there's no
Speaker 7: eye there will Lammet River.
Speaker 2: My bad, Yeah, my bad.
Speaker 1: My eyes are getting worse and worse by the day.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, My apologies there. We got zoomed in
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: That's shit. I'll see how that goes there, all right.
Speaker 1: The third body was recovered the same afternoon from the
Speaker 1: Columbia River near a mortgage off Northeast Marine Drive.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The Sheriff's office said that the person was previously reported
Speaker 1: missing and is believed to have drowned accidentally after falling
Speaker 1: from a dock. The five bodies found so far in
Speaker 1: May join five bodies found since April thirteenth, for a
Speaker 1: total of nine bodies. I think their math be off here.
Speaker 1: Five plus five doesn't all right whatever anyway, found in
Speaker 1: the Portlandaria Rivers in just over three weeks. That includes
Speaker 1: earlier cases near Swan Island, saw the Island Terminal four,
Speaker 1: Hayden Island and Melodrum Bar Park. Official stress that while
Speaker 1: that number may seem high, it falls within the normal
Speaker 1: range for this time of year and is the rise
Speaker 1: in recoveries is not linked to foul play.
Speaker 2: Six bodies were recovered in April.
Speaker 1: And May of twenty twenty four of the Sheriff's Office noted,
Speaker 1: and this year's total is slightly higher, but still not
Speaker 1: considered unusual. The seasonal pattern is driven by environmental and
Speaker 1: social factors.
Speaker 2: Well, you don't say.
Speaker 1: As the temperatures increase, the gases start to release in
Speaker 1: the body, which makes them float, said Battalion she if
Speaker 1: Greg Barnum with the Lake Oswego Fire Department. I probably
Speaker 1: mispronounced a swago a swego Asweego.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: So as we increase in temperature of the water, so
Speaker 1: does the activity of the body. Increased river traffic is
Speaker 1: another contributor. With better weather, more people are fishing, boating,
Speaker 1: or walking near the water and more.
Speaker 2: Likely to spot and report what they see.
Speaker 1: So, okay, they're not saying that the dead bodies are
Speaker 1: out of the normal. They're just saying that the people
Speaker 1: finding them at this time of year, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just that time of year where you find bodies. But
Speaker 1: the number being found is pretty run of the mill
Speaker 1: for Portland, Oregon area, Okay. According to the Sheriff's office,
Speaker 1: the majority of these deaths appear to be axilon drownings
Speaker 1: or suicides, though the medical examiner has not released official
Speaker 1: findings yet. None of the cases are believed to be
Speaker 1: suspicious or connected.
Speaker 2: Okay, So as.
Speaker 1: Far as a potential serial killer on the on the
Speaker 1: loose for these potential vicars or just these deaths, according
Speaker 1: to officials, doesn't seem like they're connected, but who knows.
Speaker 2: Who knows? They have just started finding them in the
Speaker 2: past three weeks. With that being said, though, six women
Speaker 2: found dead in near six women found dead in Near
Speaker 2: Oregon in less than three months, most in secluded wooded areas. Okay,
Speaker 2: so now we're going a little different here. Okay. Let's
Speaker 2: see six women, most with connections to.
Speaker 1: The Greater Portland area and all under the age of forty,
Speaker 1: have been found dead within one hundred miles of each
Speaker 1: other in the past three months, most in wooded or
Speaker 1: secluded areas. It is unclear what if anything, connects to
Speaker 1: women's deaths and disappearances, which are being investigated by Portland
Speaker 1: Police Bureau and Sheriff's Office Moltnoma, pulk.
Speaker 2: Clark and clackamass Counties.
Speaker 1: All the women were believed to have lived in or
Speaker 1: frequented Oregon. Two bodies that were found in the same day,
Speaker 1: and two of the women were found dead less than
Speaker 1: three miles apart in southeast Portland. Portland Police spokesperson Sergeant
Speaker 1: Kevin Allen said the Police Bureau has been fielding questions
Speaker 1: about the six deaths but can only speak about the
Speaker 1: two it is investigating.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 1: So this is where all these bodies were discovered as
Speaker 1: according to the map, and as we're talking about this,
Speaker 1: if anybody would like to see what we are talking
Speaker 1: about rather than just hear about it, Yes, this episode
Speaker 1: is gonna be playing on the Cult of Conspiracy podcast
Speaker 1: on Thursday. But we are trying to grow this retinue.
Speaker 1: We're trying to grow the Cajun Night community, and so
Speaker 1: if you would like to join this, please come check
Speaker 1: out the Patreon. It's down in links below Cajun Night
Speaker 1: on patreon dot com. So anyway, okay, this map right quick,
Speaker 1: over one hundred miles diameter here, and yeah, I see
Speaker 1: these being way more close and way more connected. I
Speaker 1: don't know about this one. This very well, maybe just
Speaker 1: an outlier, I don't know. But even still, so you're
Speaker 1: telling me they've got with nine or ten because I
Speaker 1: don't know if they mistyped or if their math is wrong,
Speaker 1: but five plus five doesn't equal nine in my book.
Speaker 1: But okay, so we've got nine to ten male deaths
Speaker 1: in the Portland area and six women deaths in the
Speaker 1: Portland area, all within the last few weeks and months,
Speaker 1: and we're just kind of saying this is par for
Speaker 1: the course according to the officials.
Speaker 2: Please Raven help me out here.
Speaker 6: So the girl article that I sent you is from
Speaker 6: last year, and that is connected. They think to a
Speaker 6: guy that was released from jail that I've already killed
Speaker 6: people and they suspect him being a serial killer. They
Speaker 6: actually haven't formally charged him with any of these murders,
Speaker 6: but they believe that he was a serial killer. The
Speaker 6: nine bodies is another situation that's happening that is kind
Speaker 6: of like people are debating if they potentially could be
Speaker 6: a serial killer or if the bodies were just people
Speaker 6: killing themselves because they're high on drugs or whatever else.
Speaker 6: I mean, to be fair, we have a lot of
Speaker 6: undercurrents and like.
Speaker 8: People die easily in the water, and yeah, and it's
Speaker 8: cooler than shit, so people die all the time in
Speaker 8: the waters up there, but they're kind of being treating
Speaker 8: it like a mess.
Speaker 6: So there's like two separate cases of a whole bunch
Speaker 6: of people. And the one though that you're reading right now,
Speaker 6: they think, like the police were, like, we think it
Speaker 6: could be the guy being a serial killer, but we
Speaker 6: don't know for sure, and like we released him. So
Speaker 6: it doesn't say that in that article. I actually found
Speaker 6: it in other articles. But Okay, that's kind of where
Speaker 6: those two separate things are coming into play.
Speaker 1: So granted, I'm from Louisiana, you know, I've lived around
Speaker 1: I've lived all over the country. At different parts of
Speaker 1: my life, and so I understand that different regions experience
Speaker 1: different levels of what they call normal, And with all.
Speaker 2: Due respects, I get that.
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, for instance, saying that there was three killings
Speaker 1: in Chicago this past weekend is not crazy, that's not random,
Speaker 1: that's kind of par for the course. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that Oregon having people just being found dead on Mass
Speaker 1: as soon as the water's warm up. Was that normal
Speaker 1: now for anybody who is from that area, Anthony Raven
Speaker 1: and anybody else.
Speaker 2: It may have two cents on this one.
Speaker 1: You're saying that's normal for like, Okay, drownings, I get it,
Speaker 1: Kayakers who kind of get lost or capsize.
Speaker 2: Or whatever the case. I can put the pieces together
Speaker 2: on this. Whenever it's seen as normal every spring when
Speaker 2: they just find bodies, is foul play usually associated with these?
Speaker 2: Or are these all?
Speaker 1: Like there's that many accidents on Mass throughout the winter
Speaker 1: to where it's like womp wamp.
Speaker 2: It just be like that, like, what's the situation here?
Speaker 2: Not that I know?
Speaker 6: If I just said, mom, and she's born and raised there,
Speaker 6: and she or not born and raised, but she'd lived
Speaker 6: there for many, many decades and she says, not that
Speaker 6: you know, she's aware of. And I can't remember a
Speaker 6: time like, yes, do people drown a lot? Yes, that
Speaker 6: is very common. So like when it starts warming up,
Speaker 6: a lot of people from out of town will come
Speaker 6: in and they won't really listen to the warnings that
Speaker 6: the water is freezing and cold, but there's like some
Speaker 6: issues going on with the water, and they'll get in
Speaker 6: the water and they'll drown. It's super common. But I
Speaker 6: can't think of a time when like bodies are just
Speaker 6: like popping up out of nowhere, like left and right.
Speaker 4: People die a lot.
Speaker 6: I also give you that because of like you know,
Speaker 6: the yeah they jump off the bridges, the inner city crime,
Speaker 6: the drugs and all that stuff. Sure, but like just
Speaker 6: randomly nine bodies floating up, not that I can think
Speaker 6: of in recent you know, last couple of decades.
Speaker 1: So and Anthony please chime in on this one here.
Speaker 1: So the cops playing this off like it's no big deal.
Speaker 1: Is this what are we feeling as far as this
Speaker 1: is concern? Is this them just trying to not raise
Speaker 1: alarm or suspicion. Is this something that really does happen
Speaker 1: and more frequently maybe in the past five years maybe
Speaker 1: instead of the last like thirty.
Speaker 2: I don't know, is this Why are the cops acting
Speaker 2: like this is no big deal?
Speaker 3: So the number so for me, the the the amount.
Speaker 3: So I'm torn right especially going on, especially going along
Speaker 3: the Columbia, there are so many easy access points where
Speaker 3: atrocious acts could be committed and no one's going to
Speaker 3: hear you scream.
Speaker 1: Now when you say that is it's because we are
Speaker 1: just so deep in the Oregon Trail bush there's just
Speaker 1: no civilization for miles or are you saying that, like.
Speaker 3: No, no, it can it can literally be. So there's
Speaker 3: a lot of overpasses by the river.
Speaker 2: Ah okay, a lot of uh bridge trolls and homeless
Speaker 2: folk I feel you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh yeah, We're just gonna leave it at there.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of spaces, especially along the along
Speaker 3: the Columbia River from Portland to the to the Atlama,
Speaker 3: that you don't have to go that far out to
Speaker 3: be completely secluded.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Like my my personal growing up, I know six seven
Speaker 3: people that quote unquote were found in the river, so
Speaker 3: things happen. But the nine to ten guys, the six
Speaker 3: women that that pans out as far as like the
Speaker 3: deaths go to that, Like Portland has such a homeless
Speaker 3: population that a lot of a lot of the deaths
Speaker 3: really just get wrapped up into overdoses or they're just.
Speaker 2: Not talked about.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not gonna say Portland's Chicago or or La.
Speaker 2: No, but also their homeless population.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I would from what I have
Speaker 1: heard and read, Portland, Oregon's homeless population could damn near
Speaker 1: rival LA's homeless population. Maybe not in numbers, but in violence,
Speaker 1: in drugs, in rapes and crimes and all of those things.
Speaker 1: Chicago has a homeless population, Yeah, but the homeless aren't
Speaker 1: who you're worried about in Chiraq, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But like apparently in Portland in LA, that's a different conversation.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, And I grew up in that crowd, Like so
Speaker 3: I skid.
Speaker 2: No, it's no longer just one street, you feel me,
Speaker 2: It's like twenty square blocks these days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's yeah, but uh, there's also still that
Speaker 3: part of me where it's like they only found nine.
Speaker 2: Really. Yeah, So that's the other thing too.
Speaker 1: These nine are these and I'm sure there's gonna be
Speaker 1: more come out with the investigation. Are these suspected suicides
Speaker 1: or overdoses, accidental or otherwise people that got lost in
Speaker 1: the trail, people that were set upon under one of
Speaker 1: these overpasses, Like you're saying only nine, thinking that like
Speaker 1: that's a low number, so we're expecting that they're gonna
Speaker 1: find more as like the water warms up even more.
Speaker 3: I would be surprised if if they did it. I
Speaker 3: just I know, I know the things that are in
Speaker 3: that river, or I have a very good idea based
Speaker 3: on on people I grew up around heard that, so
Speaker 3: uh you know, I mean we'll see. But you know,
Speaker 3: like the the men being found in the river, like
Speaker 3: that's only one detail short of fitting another another stereo,
Speaker 3: another m O. And it wouldn't with Portland, and it
Speaker 3: would It wouldn't surprise me if a couple of people
Speaker 3: uh fell into that mm hmmm, that personally wouldn't me.
Speaker 3: Uh well, no, I said, like I say, fell into
Speaker 3: that because like granted, I'm into the dark shit.
Speaker 2: Like I I, but.
Speaker 3: I grew up in the Abyss, so it takes a lot.
Speaker 4: But Portland will throw you, throw you.
Speaker 3: In it and people that aren't ready for you. I
Speaker 3: can I can see people falling for uh media to
Speaker 3: use a broad term, yeah, like uh like, uh, what's
Speaker 3: his name? Like William Ramsey ties the Order of nine
Speaker 3: angles to the Smiley Face Killers. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: say whether that's legit or not. I've talked to a
Speaker 3: couple of those guys and they're weird, but I don't
Speaker 3: know about like serial killer weird. But hey, that's me.
Speaker 1: I feel like the Cult of Conspiracy needs to do
Speaker 1: an episode on the Smiley Faced Killers one of these days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm yeah. I mean I don't feel
Speaker 3: like this is the avenue for it, but I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean I could plug you with a.
Speaker 2: Guy who used to be a member.
Speaker 3: You mean, who is a current member?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: I mean he might not want to, but I can ask.
Speaker 1: I mean, worst case scenario, he says no, I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't keep He's on YouTube and he says that
Speaker 1: he's a member.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now that makes it feel like he's fake.
Speaker 3: I mean I talked to the guy. Look, he's not
Speaker 3: putting out the deep dark secrets, but I mean he's
Speaker 3: an interesting fella.
Speaker 2: So all right you talking to him before? Now is
Speaker 2: this how close is it to the show.
Speaker 1: That came out about them a while back, like their
Speaker 1: big thing is to not be a victim, Like that
Speaker 1: was their big thing.
Speaker 2: Is like if you play like you're a victim, you're
Speaker 2: gonna be one.
Speaker 1: And it was mostly about taking responsibility for yourself and
Speaker 1: somehow murdering random people was like a part of it,
Speaker 1: but it was never random. There was like not contract killers,
Speaker 1: but there seemed to be like there was a lot
Speaker 1: of moving parts.
Speaker 2: Before they picked a victim.
Speaker 1: How close are these smiley faced people to the to
Speaker 1: the show that came out about them?
Speaker 3: So look, so first off, from personal experience, I I
Speaker 3: I have to separate that I cannot say that all
Speaker 3: nine are are s FK, but I can't deny that
Speaker 3: there might be. There is probably satanic influence in people
Speaker 3: who commit s FK.
Speaker 1: They may not call a satanic influence, but I would
Speaker 1: agree with the statement you just said for the record.
Speaker 2: They may call it something else.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well, and there's different divisions, like there's different denominations.
Speaker 3: I don't know enough to I can't really go about
Speaker 3: it beyond that you said nine a order of nine angles, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I mean they're definitely satanic. They definitely fall under
Speaker 3: a lot of what I was talking about when we
Speaker 3: did that Left Hand Path episode. Yeah, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 3: I was just the type that I'm just the type
Speaker 3: if somebody, if somebody's talking enough shit, I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: check it out. And that's kind of what I've been
Speaker 3: doing for like the last six seven months. Like I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go talk to the villains. Because I'm halfway there myself.
Speaker 3: I feel that, Okay, but yeah, no, but getting back
Speaker 3: to the serial killers and and the bodies, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm I I like any other police department, they don't
Speaker 3: want to scare the public with, oh there's a serial
Speaker 3: killer on the loose. So I mean unless a reporter
Speaker 3: or somebody finds a link to all of them and
Speaker 3: it gets leaked to the point where they have to
Speaker 3: say it. Even if there is uh, they will.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: They went into the last minute for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean, like I mean, I was I
Speaker 3: was in like when I was in prison. There there
Speaker 3: was a guy that it's called the spring Water Corridor.
Speaker 3: It's like this biking walking trail that goes all the
Speaker 3: way from one end of Portland to it to the
Speaker 3: other end like deep, like it's like starts and like
Speaker 3: Sandine goes all the way over into Hillsboro. Well, in
Speaker 3: the portion in southeast Portland, that one that runs through
Speaker 3: Felony Flat, there was a string of a string of
Speaker 3: rapes that happened to no rapes that happened to women.
Speaker 2: We're not on YouTube, homie, you can use proper english here.
Speaker 2: I forget, I forget. Okay, Well here's my question.
Speaker 1: Then there's an actual group of killers that are in
Speaker 1: this area, why are they not just picking off the
Speaker 1: homeless population and trying to elevate the city as a whole. Now, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go on some big hay ud
Speaker 1: spill towards the homeless or the dishomed or whatever they
Speaker 1: want to call themselves these days, the unhowled or whatever.
Speaker 1: Everybody's got their shit. Some people fell on hard times
Speaker 1: and ended up there. Some people are there by choice.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not here to judge, trust me, I have
Speaker 1: none to give.
Speaker 2: But if that's the case, why don't they just like
Speaker 2: they could sacrifice so many to these deities there's that
Speaker 2: the fields are a plenty.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna counter that point Okay, if if you're
Speaker 3: if you're going we're all into the dark art right now? Okay,
Speaker 3: right discussion, Say, yeah, what sacrifice is going to mean more?
Speaker 3: The quote unquote nobody's sleeping under a bridge, right, or
Speaker 3: the do good citizen that is, you know, quote unquote
Speaker 3: doing the right thing like a person of God, a
Speaker 3: pillar of the community type of what sacrifice is going
Speaker 3: to mean more?
Speaker 1: But could you like, could three nobodies equate to one somebody, five, ten?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how the spiritual uh scales can be
Speaker 1: turned on this or if that even equates, But I
Speaker 1: just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a better way.
Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't disagree, but there's levels, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And like this is is this isn't even just in
Speaker 3: you know, quote unquote human sacrifice, right, you know, but
Speaker 3: just just in general, like I mean, granted I'm Pagan,
Speaker 3: but you know, if you want something like if you
Speaker 3: I know, Christians don't really sacrifice in that sense, in
Speaker 3: that sense, right, but like if if you if you
Speaker 3: really want something from God, right, you might like during
Speaker 3: lend if you're a Catholic and forgive me if I'm
Speaker 3: using the wrong terms. You're you'll understand what I'm trying
Speaker 3: to say. You might give something up equal meaning to
Speaker 3: receive that gift.
Speaker 1: You're You're not far off based on that, And that's
Speaker 1: all I was gonna say. Christian, not just Catholics, but Christians,
Speaker 1: when we sacrifice, it's not sacrificing a living entity.
Speaker 2: It's usually sacrificing.
Speaker 1: And denying our flesh something and that's a form of sacrifice.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I see what you mean on that.
Speaker 1: So you wouldn't just sacrifice like like to say that.
Speaker 2: I'm giving up something.
Speaker 1: I'm fasting for instance, Right, let's say I'm fasting from uh,
Speaker 1: I'm fasting from Popeyes for the next six months to
Speaker 1: get closer to God. Yeah, well, how often do you
Speaker 1: eat Popeyes on a regular basis?
Speaker 2: Like, that's not giving up? So I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: You would give up something or sacrifice something that is
Speaker 1: really important to you.
Speaker 2: Otherwise it's I see what you mean.
Speaker 1: Okay, So slaughtering a bunch of homeless people to Molek
Speaker 1: wouldn't do well for Molek. He wouldn't he wouldn't want
Speaker 1: those sacrifices. I feel you well.
Speaker 3: And I would also refer you to what Jacob talked
Speaker 3: about when I forget if it was on the colder
Speaker 3: on Meta mysteries. He had that demonologist guy, right, and
Speaker 3: the demon wants chickens, and he gave him a couple
Speaker 3: of what cornish game hens or whatever. Yeah, and he
Speaker 3: said the demon was like not like similar, like as
Speaker 3: much as I hate like, as much as I hate
Speaker 3: to say similar comparison like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel this, Okay, okay, so fair enough,
Speaker 1: the homeless are safe from being slaughtered for pagan or
Speaker 1: not pagan, excuse me for satanic or dark arts worship.
Speaker 2: So all right, fair enough.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that means that the good in the world are vulnerable.
Speaker 2: Which is why we should all be carrying. Ladies and gentlemen. Please,
Speaker 2: if you do not have a weapon, do like Jesus said,
Speaker 2: sell your cloak and buy one. But anyway, all.
Speaker 1: Right, right, So I talked a little bit about these
Speaker 1: killers and things. Now, I did have a couple of
Speaker 1: things I wanted to bring up tonight, and we're going
Speaker 1: to run through those and if we get done with
Speaker 1: all the things I have, and we wanted to get
Speaker 1: back to the chat. I see there's more articles that
Speaker 1: have been shared, then we will in fact get to them.
Speaker 1: So now let's just talk a little bit. Staying on
Speaker 1: the American continent here, Elon must says he's stepping back
Speaker 1: from DOGE.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody's heard about what's going on
Speaker 1: here recently, but yeah, Elon has said that he's done
Speaker 1: his job as far as he is concerned. The DOGE
Speaker 1: organization is still going to be blowing and going. But
Speaker 1: Elon himself, he's got other businesses to run. He's trying
Speaker 1: to get to Mars, He's trying to build better ais
Speaker 1: and things.
Speaker 2: So he himself is going to be stepping away from DOGE.
Speaker 1: The key points here Elon says he's stepping back from
Speaker 1: the White House DOGE office in May. Must says it
Speaker 1: will allow him to focus more on Tesla. Tesla has
Speaker 1: struggled amid the backlash too Musk's service in President Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's administration. So after spending three months trying to radically
Speaker 1: reshape the federal government and its workforce, Elon Musk on
Speaker 1: Tuesday said he would soon be stepping back from the.
Speaker 2: White House's DOZE office starting next month.
Speaker 1: This is a direct quote by the way, I will
Speaker 1: be allocating far more of my time to Tesla, he
Speaker 1: said in a Tesla earnings call, adding that the major
Speaker 1: work of establishing the Department of Government Efficiency was done.
Speaker 1: He said he will continue to spend a day or
Speaker 1: two a week, spend a day or two a week
Speaker 1: that makes no sense on government matters, as long as
Speaker 1: it is useful and the President wants him to do so.
Speaker 1: Tesla stock jumped up about five percent in after hours
Speaker 1: trading after Musk announced the plans.
Speaker 2: To reduce his role with Doze.
Speaker 1: The announcement came on the heels of a disappointing quarterly
Speaker 1: report for the company, which has struggled in the month
Speaker 1: since Musk began advising President Trump.
Speaker 2: Before Tuesday, Tesla stock was.
Speaker 1: Down forty four percent this year, and its first quarter
Speaker 1: sales came in way under expectations. Well, you know you'll
Speaker 1: have that because I don't know, I personally don't understand
Speaker 1: the whole craze about everybody wanting a Tesla. I think
Speaker 1: it's overhyped. It's an electric vehicle. When the battery pack
Speaker 1: goes out on you, not if, but when you have
Speaker 1: to replace the battery pack, which is I think two
Speaker 1: thirds of the cost of the car. And I even
Speaker 1: know a guy, and I've talked about this on the
Speaker 1: cult before, I know a guy personally who bought a Tesla.
Speaker 1: I forget which model, excuse me for not knowing it,
Speaker 1: but whatever it was, it was like a thirty thirty
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars car something like that, and it was
Speaker 1: a five year note.
Speaker 2: Fine. Cool.
Speaker 1: He had to replace the entire battery pack on this thing,
Speaker 1: which for the record is basically the entire chassis. Okay,
Speaker 1: he had to replace this three years into owning this vehicle.
Speaker 2: You know how much that cost?
Speaker 1: Twenty two thousand dollars before be or he even got
Speaker 1: the car paid off, he owed and ended up upside
Speaker 1: down because of having a Tesla. Now, I don't know
Speaker 1: if they have fixed the issues with those lithium ion
Speaker 1: batteries and they're more you know, sustainable.
Speaker 2: Now, I just don't believe.
Speaker 1: So lithium ion is the quote unquote best mass produced
Speaker 1: battery we have currently, but it's not exactly like it's
Speaker 1: the best ever ever. I still I don't understand why
Speaker 1: we're not putting more weight into graphene batteries. The technology
Speaker 1: is there, the studies are there. Somehow we're still messing
Speaker 1: with lithium ion when graphene is right there. You know
Speaker 1: how easy graphight is to find.
Speaker 2: Graphene is hard to make quote unquote because it's just
Speaker 2: time consuming and painstaking to make it. It's not dangerous.
Speaker 2: There's so harmful chemicals. There's no it's nothing like that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I digress.
Speaker 1: Under Musk's unofficial leadership, Dose has targeted a wide swath
Speaker 1: of federal agencies for cuts, including dismantling the US Agency
Speaker 1: for Internetational Development while that would be the US AID,
Speaker 1: while attempting to gain access to sensitive data and payment
Speaker 1: systems at the IRS and Treasury Department, and trying to
Speaker 1: shut down the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which yeah, y'all
Speaker 1: remember that everybody was so mad that he was trying
Speaker 1: to get everybody's tax information. It's like, bro, he's a
Speaker 1: billionaire who owns a tech company. He could have hacked
Speaker 1: the US Treasury Department at any point if he wanted.
Speaker 1: What do you think he's gonna do with your social
Speaker 1: and your credit card numbers? Elon the one of if
Speaker 1: not the current richest man on earth is he's trying
Speaker 1: to pull the biggest heights on Earth and just rob
Speaker 1: every citizen in America. Sure, sure, that's a thought, one
Speaker 1: of the most thoughts that anyone's ever had, some might say.
Speaker 1: Musk has also helped Trump get the federal workforce through
Speaker 1: the buyout offers to government employees, mass firings of probationary workers,
Speaker 1: and downsizing of agencies like the National Institutes of Health.
Speaker 2: Despite its large scale.
Speaker 1: Targeting of federal agencies and workers, DOGE has not yet
Speaker 1: come close to its savings goal. Musk first promised that
Speaker 1: his sweeping Doze cuts with save taxpayers two trillion dollars,
Speaker 1: but later downgraded that to one trillion, and further again
Speaker 1: to one hundred and fifty billion dollars. Look, it's savings.
Speaker 1: It's savings, right, Maybe not two trillion. I would really
Speaker 1: like to see that number be a realistic thing. But okay,
Speaker 1: he saved the taxpayers one point or one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty billion.
Speaker 2: That's nice. I feel like we can cut more.
Speaker 1: But anyway, DOZE has claimed savings have been riddled with
Speaker 1: mistakes and corrections, including removing four billion dollars from its
Speaker 1: wall of receipts in March, dropping its real estate savings
Speaker 1: by one hundred and fifty million later that month, and
Speaker 1: lowering its savings claims by over nine billion dollars over
Speaker 1: a two over two days in February. Musk's involvement with
Speaker 1: Doze was never meant to be permanent. As a special
Speaker 1: government employee, he is not allowed to serve more than
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty days in a three hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty five day period.
Speaker 2: I know everybody was super worried.
Speaker 1: That Musk it was gonna be basically puppeteering Trump or
Speaker 1: vice versa, and that they were gonna be running the
Speaker 1: world together. In all of this, I know there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of very upset liberals to see Musk
Speaker 1: go back to making cars and rockets and not be
Speaker 1: in the back pocket of Trump. I know they're just
Speaker 1: gonna be so disheartened to hear that they were wrong
Speaker 1: yet again.
Speaker 2: But here we are.
Speaker 1: It's only been a few months and he's already like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I did my job. I got the computer nerds that
Speaker 1: are gonna keep pumping AI to the systems to find
Speaker 1: the fallacies. But as far as me, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: I got money to make, so I mean, hey, I
Speaker 1: get it under Trump's original executive order the DOJE office
Speaker 1: can run through July fourth, twenty twenty six, and the
Speaker 1: two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the nation's independence. Many
Speaker 1: of dose's top leaders are linked to Musk's companies. It's
Speaker 1: unclear whether they'll also be scaling back their presence at Okay.
Speaker 2: So elon stepping away from DOGE. I don't know if.
Speaker 1: Anybody has any uh, negative thoughts on this, positive thoughts
Speaker 1: on this neutral, but I kind of see this as
Speaker 1: a good thing. I'm personally on board with it. I
Speaker 1: see Musk as a chaotic neutral one hundred percent. I
Speaker 1: see it as a chaotic neutral. He is one step
Speaker 1: away from being a super villain that nobody can stop.
Speaker 1: He's also one step away from saving the world, and
Speaker 1: nobody could stop him. He's he's floating in the middle,
Speaker 1: just kind of doing elon things.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: He's like the ultimate weaponized artist. And I again not
Speaker 1: mad at that. He's got his role to play. So
Speaker 1: you know, I think he did a good job. He
Speaker 1: shook things up, and now that he's going back to
Speaker 1: making money and continuing his Tesla and SpaceX and all
Speaker 1: these things, I still wouldn't be shocked. I know some
Speaker 1: people disagree with me on this because some people believe
Speaker 1: that space is fake.
Speaker 2: I am still of the belief that space is a.
Speaker 1: Real thing, and his biggest goal has been to get
Speaker 1: to Mars. I still believe that that's his actual goal.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's going to achieve that goal
Speaker 1: or not. But I also wouldn't be shocked if sometime
Speaker 1: in the next ten years if a SpaceX rocket with
Speaker 1: human beings doesn't land on Mars. Like when that happens,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be like earth shattering news to me.
Speaker 1: I see it as like an inevitability at this point.
Speaker 1: But I know people disagree with that. They people believe
Speaker 1: what they believe on that. All right, now, let's talk
Speaker 1: about this guy. This guy right here now report FBI
Speaker 1: agent Elvis Chan. Elvis Chan, I think the name is hilarious,
Speaker 1: key figure in the twenty twenty election sense scheme placed
Speaker 1: on terminal leave. Now, does anybody remember the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: election censorship information, the big scandal that went down with
Speaker 1: that Hunter Bayer's laptop, Trump being in cahoots with Russia,
Speaker 1: Russian collusion, Oh my god, all these all these wild
Speaker 1: claims and for some reason, the FBI was complicit in
Speaker 1: trying to screw over Trump at every conceivable urn.
Speaker 2: That'd be because of your boy, Elvis Chan. So he
Speaker 2: let's talk about this here.
Speaker 1: FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, Elvis Chan, one of
Speaker 1: the central figures in the federal government's censorship and conservation yeah,
Speaker 1: censorship of conservative voices during the twenty twenty presidential election,
Speaker 1: has reportedly been placed on terminal leave. The development was
Speaker 1: first reported by independent journalist Brianna Morella. Chan, who served
Speaker 1: as the FBI's key liaison between the Foreign Influence Task
Speaker 1: Force and big tech companies like Twitter, Facebook, and Google,
Speaker 1: was instrumental in a government led censorship campaign to silence
Speaker 1: conservative voices and suppress damaging information about Hunter Biden in
Speaker 1: the lead up to the election. It's no longer a hypothetical.
Speaker 1: It's no longer ah. Well, you know, they the all
Speaker 1: the encompassing day quote unquote, They were just trying to
Speaker 1: screw Trump over and over.
Speaker 2: Buh.
Speaker 1: And it's not that he was a sore loser about
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election, noe. This guy was the liaison
Speaker 1: from the FBI to Twitter, Facebook, and Google.
Speaker 2: And let's not forget that Zuckerberg has come out and
Speaker 2: said that he was told by three letter agencies to
Speaker 2: censor information. He came out and said to the world
Speaker 2: that he was guilty of it. He apologized, but he
Speaker 2: absolutely did this.
Speaker 1: We know for a fact Google did this as well,
Speaker 1: and Twitter before it was owned by Elon was absolutely
Speaker 1: censoring information and pushing certain algorithms. Is it crazy to
Speaker 1: see that a Chinese guy?
Speaker 2: Uh oh? Uh oh?
Speaker 1: Is it crazy to see that a Chinese dude working
Speaker 1: for the FBI was at the center of all of that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know, maybe I'm just maybe I'm just thinking too
Speaker 1: heavily into this. Morello's citing sources familiar with chan situation,
Speaker 1: reports that the longtime San Francisco based agent has not
Speaker 1: accessed any of his government devices for over a month.
Speaker 1: Chance still lists himself as the Assistant Special Agent in
Speaker 1: Charge on his LinkedIn page, which includes preferred pronounce he
Speaker 1: him because you look at this guy, and it's obvious
Speaker 1: that we need to know what would pronounce.
Speaker 2: He goes by yeah anyway, So that's that's one of
Speaker 2: the things there.
Speaker 1: House Judiciary Committee filed a lawsuit against FBI Assistant Special
Speaker 1: Agent in Charge Evis Chan last year for refusing to
Speaker 1: comply with a Congressional subpoena tied to the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: election censorship scandal. The lawsuit, filed in the US District
Speaker 1: Court for the District of Columbia, lays out damning allegations
Speaker 1: that Chan, acting as the FBI's liaison with big tech
Speaker 1: forums like Facebook and Twitter, played a central role in
Speaker 1: the federal government's backdoor scheme to center America's online before
Speaker 1: our sinsor Americans.
Speaker 2: Online before the twenty twenty presidential election.
Speaker 1: Despite being subpoena by Congress to testify, Chan, under orders
Speaker 1: from Biden's Department of Justice, refused to appear so the
Speaker 1: Biden administration strip told him not to show up. Why
Speaker 1: Because Congress wouldn't allow the DOJ lawyers to sit in
Speaker 1: and monitor the interview. Yes, the DOJ wants to babysit
Speaker 1: its agents during congressional investigations, undermining the House's constitutional oversight authority.
Speaker 2: According to the.
Speaker 1: Complaint, Chan was a pivotal figure passing information from the
Speaker 1: FBI to social media companies in the months leading up
Speaker 1: to the election, information that often led to the silencing
Speaker 1: of viewpoints inconvenient to the ruling regime I e. The
Speaker 1: Biden administration. According to Morello, Chan also testified in the
Speaker 1: landmark case Missouri versus Biden, a case in which Jim
Speaker 1: Hoft or which I Jim Hoft am a Plainton, where
Speaker 1: he conveniently claimed to have no internal knowledge of the
Speaker 1: FBI's role in pressuring tech companies to censor the explosive
Speaker 1: Hunter Biden laptop story. So he testified saying that he
Speaker 1: had no internal knowledge, and now he is being fired
Speaker 1: for being a key component.
Speaker 2: With the Biden laptop.
Speaker 1: So this would be what we would call perjury, ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, which is a federal crime. The landmark case
Speaker 1: Missouri versus Biden centers on explosive evidence shown in the
Speaker 1: Biden administration's coordinated campaign to pressure big tech platforms into
Speaker 1: censoring dissenting voices.
Speaker 2: I was signed out in.
Speaker 1: The ruling for my aggressive reporting on election integrity, election
Speaker 1: fraud COVID nineteen, and government overreach. The court noted that
Speaker 1: the Gateway Pundit, which is the article that I'm reading,
Speaker 1: by the way, for anybody who's curious, was deep platform
Speaker 1: from Twitter in a series of suspensions throughout January February
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, culminating in a permanent ban after publishing
Speaker 1: surveillance footage from Detroit on election night in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: The footage showed suspicious delivery vans arriving at a vote
Speaker 1: counting center in the early hours. Yes, for anybody that's curious,
Speaker 1: you remember hearing that these vans showed up and just
Speaker 1: had bags after bags after bags of these mail in
Speaker 1: ballots and all of them, every single one of them
Speaker 1: were voted Democrat.
Speaker 2: All of them were voted for Biden.
Speaker 1: And it was in these weird cities that have a
Speaker 1: lot of mafia ties. There have been other mafia members
Speaker 1: that have come forward later on and said that, yeah,
Speaker 1: we absolutely rigged the election because that's.
Speaker 2: What we do.
Speaker 1: This guy reported on it and he was blasted. Now
Speaker 1: the guy who lied about it all is being found
Speaker 1: out and asked to leave, which is great. The report
Speaker 1: also documented that YouTube removed Gateway Pundit content related to
Speaker 1: voter integrity, and that Facebook repeatedly censored its posts about
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen and the twenty twenty election, using warning labels
Speaker 1: and algorithmic throttling to suppress reach.
Speaker 2: I absolutely have no doubts on any of this.
Speaker 1: So it says the court found that the Biden administration,
Speaker 1: in a in coordination with federal agencies and social media giants,
Speaker 1: repeatedly suppressed views related to the Hunter Biden laptop scandal,
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen lockdowns, and vaccine skepticism.
Speaker 2: Mask mandates the twenty.
Speaker 1: Twenty elections Integrity Party content targeting the administration absolutely absolutely
Speaker 1: agree on this.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is absolutely another thing that is going
Speaker 2: on in our world today.
Speaker 1: We have all of the things that the conspiracy community,
Speaker 1: the truther community was saying for years has now been
Speaker 1: confirmed to be true.
Speaker 2: There's no two ways about it. This is the facts
Speaker 2: of the matter, all right. Before I read into the
Speaker 2: next article, because the next one is going to take
Speaker 2: us away from the United States, let me see what
Speaker 2: else we have over here.
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania House passes recreational marijuana legalization. I didn't know the
Speaker 1: Keystone State had legalized, Old Mary Jane.
Speaker 2: Good for them.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a random article about the Temple of the
Speaker 1: Oculus and Nubis.
Speaker 2: One. Yeah, yes, indeed, yes, indeed.
Speaker 1: All right, So Raven says, as far as Elon goes,
Speaker 1: she does not like him or trust him.
Speaker 2: Just has those vibes. I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it, and I sound like I even like
Speaker 1: necessarily defending or going against him necessarily. I just see
Speaker 1: him as a weird, chaotic neutral. Let's see, I'm a felon.
Speaker 1: I'm stuck old school blades and bows, Anthony. I feel
Speaker 1: that Merlin sent a picture of a Knights templar looking
Speaker 1: dude with an old musket.
Speaker 2: Yo, I feel that. I feel that.
Speaker 1: And you know, the the day and age may have changed,
Speaker 1: and so have the weapons, but the the intent, you know,
Speaker 1: I say, it's still there in some cases, So absolutely
Speaker 1: perry this you casual bro's hair? Yes, indeed, Yo, seriously,
Speaker 1: Elvis Chan. First of all, what an unfortunate name, Elvis Chan.
Speaker 1: And then to have that kind I don't even want
Speaker 1: to say a hairline that was that was negative hairline.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and there's more to the guy. He's lived
Speaker 1: in San Francisco for a while. But shocker, he has
Speaker 1: a lot of chies to the CCP. Oh No, the
Speaker 1: CCP infiltrated the FBI. Yeah, yep, they sure did. They
Speaker 1: And it's not like a new thing they've infiltrated. There
Speaker 1: was another case we just talked about a couple months
Speaker 1: ago they infiltrated the Mayor of New York City's office
Speaker 1: through like three administrations.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, it's it's bad.
Speaker 1: And speaking of the CCP, we are gonna talk about
Speaker 1: them actually, and I have that article pulled up.
Speaker 2: Yes I do, Yes I do. This is a great
Speaker 2: time here.
Speaker 1: So this isn't directly towards China, but it is very
Speaker 1: indirectly involving China here. This is from Al Jazeera. And yes,
Speaker 1: I know they have an agenda that they push. I
Speaker 1: feel that.
Speaker 2: But let's talk about the India and Pakistan situation and
Speaker 2: why other countries, namely China and Russia and America are.
Speaker 1: Being pulled on in this situation. All right, there's reasons
Speaker 1: for this backdoor deals, military alliances, economic alliances, all the things.
Speaker 1: So for anybody who is unaware, India and Pakistan have
Speaker 1: not been homies for a very very long time, pretty
Speaker 1: much since Pakistan became a nation, right, India's had some
Speaker 1: issues with them. They've had border disputes over the Kush region.
Speaker 1: This is like the border between the two nations, right,
Speaker 1: India being a primarily Hindu nation, Pakistan being a primarily
Speaker 1: Muslim nation. Not just as at a border dispute between
Speaker 1: two nations, but they actually push it to the realm
Speaker 1: of religious dogma type of fervor with this. There was
Speaker 1: a border dispute last week. Pakistan blew up an Indian outpost.
Speaker 1: India has responded in kind and has started lighting up Pakistan.
Speaker 1: And there is the question if this is about to
Speaker 1: go to an actual all out boots on the ground war.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it will. The possibility is very real.
Speaker 2: The one thing I don't like is that they keep
Speaker 2: bringing up the fact that these are nuclear powers, so
Speaker 2: it could go to a nuclear war. Y'all.
Speaker 1: It's not going to a nuclear war. It's never going
Speaker 1: to go to a nuclear war, period, heartstop. The whole
Speaker 1: reason of a mutually assured destruction agreement is because it's
Speaker 1: understood that you would be mutually destructive, like the entire
Speaker 1: earth is going to shit all over you the second
Speaker 1: you launch a nuke.
Speaker 2: That's understood.
Speaker 1: So please, everybody, don't listen to these media outlets and
Speaker 1: these legacy medias and the news all saying that.
Speaker 2: It's gonna go to nuclear armistice.
Speaker 1: Armistice means peace, But you know what I'm saying, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a nuclear war.
Speaker 2: It's not No, it's not right.
Speaker 1: That being said, why is China weighing in on this situation, Well,
Speaker 1: China and India also have their own border disputes in
Speaker 1: the north of India south west of China. Fine, but
Speaker 1: y'all remember when I talked about the Chinese Belton Road initiative. Well,
Speaker 1: a good chunk of that goes through Pakistan, and they
Speaker 1: are trying to or I'm sorry Pakistan. I know somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna get mad at me for mispronouncing the nation and
Speaker 1: because apparently saying Iran is ignorant and it's Iran. So
Speaker 1: Pakistan has a real tight like they're in good with
Speaker 1: China right now.
Speaker 2: Main reason is because they are. China is trying to.
Speaker 1: Use Pakistan's port to be able to get another sea
Speaker 1: port so they don't have to go through the Strait
Speaker 1: of Hormus, which would be really beneficial for them. But
Speaker 1: let's just read into the article here. India Pakistan, can
Speaker 1: other countries pull them from the brink of conflict? I
Speaker 1: would say maybe not pull them from. I'm thinking they're
Speaker 1: gonna push them to the brink of conflict. India's carries
Speaker 1: it out strikes on what is described as terrorist infrastructure
Speaker 1: in Pakistan and Pakistan Administered Kashmir in response to last
Speaker 1: month's deadly attack on Indian Administered Kashmir, further raising tensions
Speaker 1: between two nuclear armed neighbors. I'm telling you they cannot
Speaker 1: help themselves, but bring up the nuclear arms.
Speaker 2: They just gotta. But I digress.
Speaker 1: Pakistan said on Wednesday that at least thirty one people
Speaker 1: were killed and dozens of others injured in the Indian attacks.
Speaker 1: In retaliatory attacks by Pakistani forces, at least ten people
Speaker 1: have been killed in the Indian Administered Kashmir. Some o
Speaker 1: those American ministories. Islamabad, which is the capital city of Pakistan,
Speaker 1: said civilians were targeted in India's strikes, while India's defense
Speaker 1: ministry said its forces only hit bases where attacks.
Speaker 2: On India are planned and directed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm also gonna say that India doesn't I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say they don't make mistakes.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's an imperfect world.
Speaker 1: India's military is extremely capable, extremely capable. I know for
Speaker 1: sure they're within the top ten.
Speaker 2: I want to say that in the top five strongest
Speaker 2: militaries on Earth. They are no slouches. They have the size,
Speaker 2: they have the training, they have the technology, they have
Speaker 2: the motivation like India's. India could handle up and handle
Speaker 2: Pakistan easily handily, but anyway, India has blamed the Pakistan
Speaker 2: for the April twenty second attack on Pahlgam Indian a
Speaker 2: minister Kashmir that killed twenty six people. Islamabad has denied
Speaker 2: it played any role and called for a neutral investigation
Speaker 2: into the worst attacked on tourists in Kashmir in a
Speaker 2: quarter century, a call rejected by India. Yeah, the last
Speaker 2: time the tourists were attacked in Kashmir. Not trying to
Speaker 2: point fingers, but which country of origin do y'all think
Speaker 2: the attack came from? Food for thought, ladies and gents. Anyway,
Speaker 2: India claim Pakistan had provided a haven for armed groups
Speaker 2: which have carried out deadly attacks, including two thousand and
Speaker 2: eight Mumbai attack in the twenty nineteen paul Wami attack
Speaker 2: a paul Wamah attack. Excuse me.
Speaker 1: More than two hundred people, including security forces, were killed
Speaker 1: in the two attacks combined. Now that being said, also,
Speaker 1: Pakistan is not exactly an unknown for harboring dangerous people.
Speaker 1: The Taliban al Qaida. They were hiding in the Pakistan
Speaker 1: mountains when American forces were in Afghanistan trying to find
Speaker 1: the guy.
Speaker 2: Like, that's an understood fact.
Speaker 1: Pakistan pretty much is extremely corrupt and I know a
Speaker 1: shocker a Middle Eastern country that's super corrupt. But basically,
Speaker 1: if you have the money to pay for it, they'll
Speaker 1: let you chill there.
Speaker 2: They really don't care who you are, what your allegiance
Speaker 2: is to.
Speaker 1: It's fine, right that being said, yes, there are some
Speaker 1: terrorist organizations that do call Pakistan home and these attacks
Speaker 1: were staged, planned and launched from Pakistan. Amidstaring tensions, international
Speaker 1: leaders have called for restraint after New Delhi's biggest attack
Speaker 1: on Pakistan and territory it controlled in decade decades. Excuse me, Islamabad.
Speaker 1: Has A has had long welcomed meditation and international jesus
Speaker 1: I cannot read today. Islamabad has long welcomed mediation and
Speaker 1: international involvement to resolved the decades old conflict over Kashmir,
Speaker 1: which lies at the heart of their border dispute, but
Speaker 1: New Delhi has tried to avoid Internet internationalization of the conflict.
Speaker 1: Both India and Pakistan claimed Kashmir, but each controls a
Speaker 1: part of it, with China also administering a chunk of
Speaker 1: Northern Kashmir. Yes, China has entered the conversation, which of
Speaker 1: course only could mean one thing here.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump don't trust China. China is ass ho. Donald
Speaker 2: Trump don't trust China, China is ass ho. I agree,
Speaker 2: random Taiwan Man. But let's continue here. Here's what you
Speaker 2: need to know about the international efforts to claim tensions
Speaker 2: between the nuclear armed nations. What have countries said so
Speaker 2: far about the escalation now? While reactions from the international
Speaker 2: community continue to trickle in, there is an overwhelming consensus
Speaker 2: that both countries should exercise maximum restraint. The United States,
Speaker 2: here's what we have to say on him.
Speaker 1: Secretary of State Mark Rubius both with the National Security
Speaker 1: advisors of India and Pakistan on Wednesday, urging the two
Speaker 1: sides to keep lines of communication open to avoid escalation.
Speaker 2: The US State Department said. Rubio said he would continue to.
Speaker 1: Stay engaged with both sides, was monitoring the situation between
Speaker 1: the neighbors closely and hoping for a peaceful resolution.
Speaker 2: That being said, I do know that America.
Speaker 1: And India here recently. I'm thinking it was like a
Speaker 1: year or two ago. Signed a military alliance, pack packed.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I'm not saying.
Speaker 2: That they are like as locked in with US as
Speaker 2: Israel is locked in with America. But as far as
Speaker 2: this can go, America is trying to climb deeper and
Speaker 2: deeper into bed with India, not just on a military standpoint,
Speaker 2: but also for an economic and manufacturing standpoint, because they're
Speaker 2: trying to get off of China's tit. So that being said,
Speaker 2: if India's got some beef, it wouldn't shock me that
Speaker 2: America would throw their they're gaunt let in with this
Speaker 2: and say, okay, if you got beef, we got beef.
Speaker 2: That being said, India is more than capable of handling
Speaker 2: this situation on their own. I don't really believe that
Speaker 2: America is going to get involved. You know, maybe.
Speaker 1: Some some tariffs, maybe some arms support, maybe some weapons support,
Speaker 1: if it's asked of us kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I could envision a world where that happens.
Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing American troops are going
Speaker 1: to be sent to aid India in their fight against Pakistan.
Speaker 1: So Rubio is keeping it very neutral as much as
Speaker 1: he can here and says, look y'all, keep the lines
Speaker 1: of communication open. All right, let's try to just resolve
Speaker 1: this situation before it gets crazy here. But you know,
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, the UK too has offered to play
Speaker 1: a diplomatic role in the Indian Pakistan conflict. We stand
Speaker 1: ready to support both countries. UK Trade Secretary Jonathan Reynolds
Speaker 1: told BBC Radio. Both have a huge interest in regional
Speaker 1: stability and dialogue and de escalation, and anything we can
Speaker 1: do to support that, we are here and willing to do.
Speaker 1: The conflict dates back to the nineteen forty seven partition
Speaker 1: of the Indian subcontinent by British colonial rulers in India
Speaker 1: and Pakistan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a very fair point.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like I said, since Pakistan became a nation,
Speaker 1: India has not exactly been thrilled about that.
Speaker 2: And then there's this one area is that Bolistan Boristan.
Speaker 2: There's one area that's almost its own independent nation, and
Speaker 2: it was for a while until they joined Pakistan. They
Speaker 2: also have had big, big issues and they as a
Speaker 2: region were very instrumental in the issues here. They provide
Speaker 2: like ninety percent of the water and energy for Pakistan
Speaker 2: and get pennies on the dollar for compensation for it.
Speaker 2: So you know, this is kind of a dirty thing
Speaker 2: in and of itself, the Pakistan India situation here. Now,
Speaker 2: China they have weighted on this.
Speaker 1: Beijing called India's attacks regrettable while urging both sides to
Speaker 1: exercise restraint. They're both China's neighbors as well. China opposes
Speaker 1: all forms of terrorism. The Chinese Foreign minister said in
Speaker 1: a statement, Now, that's kind of a counterintuitive to say
Speaker 1: that that's what he's saying out loud when in another report. Now,
Speaker 1: I wish I would have pulled that one up.
Speaker 2: The Chinese Minister of Defense says that they will fully
Speaker 2: support Pakistan in whatever happens next. Take that with whatever
Speaker 2: grain of salt. I see that as also China just
Speaker 2: trying to.
Speaker 1: Protect their foreign interests, right the Belton wrote initiative anything
Speaker 1: where that is running through, China's gonna do what they
Speaker 1: can to defend that and try to keep it peaceful
Speaker 1: around that, because if it's China's issue, it's China's issue.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're the root cause of any of
Speaker 1: these things by any means, but it makes sense to
Speaker 1: me that they would throw in their lot with Pakistan
Speaker 1: rather than India. It's not like Mody and Jijuping are
Speaker 1: on the best of terms right now either. France Minister
Speaker 1: Jean Noel Burrow said that while India's desire to protect
Speaker 1: itself from the scourge of terrorism was understandable, it called
Speaker 1: on both countries to avoid escalation and protect civilians. The
Speaker 1: UN Secretary of General Antonio Guierrez Gutierez whatever said the
Speaker 1: international community could not afford a military confrontation between nuclear
Speaker 1: armed nations.
Speaker 2: Once again, they have to bring up the nuclear arms. Okay,
Speaker 2: good lord, we understand they got nukes. Moving on, what
Speaker 2: has offered or who has offered to mediate? Now? This
Speaker 2: is interesting as well.
Speaker 1: Port Prior to India's much anticipated attack, a number of
Speaker 1: countries said they would be willing to get involved to
Speaker 1: help de escalate the continuing crisis. China has offered to
Speaker 1: mediate after Pakistan suggested that China could play a role
Speaker 1: in an international pro to investigate the Pahalogams attack, Chinese
Speaker 1: Foreign Minister spokesperson yep welcome to fair and just investigators
Speaker 1: at an early date. He urged dialogue to con and
Speaker 1: consultation to uphole regional peace and stability. Again, I see
Speaker 1: that as a little counterintuitive but okay whatever Russia. Russian
Speaker 1: Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov's told his Pakistani counterpart is shak
Speaker 1: Dhar Okay that Moscow was ready to act for a
Speaker 1: political settlement of the situation in the case there was
Speaker 1: a mutual willingness on the part of Islamabad and New Delhi,
Speaker 1: his ministry said in a statement. Lavrov spoke to Dar
Speaker 1: on May fourth, two days after speaking to Indian Foreign minister.
Speaker 1: Not gonna pronounce that name. So while Russia will not
Speaker 1: come to the peace negotiations for their own situation, they
Speaker 1: are absolutely coming to mediate or they're willing to come
Speaker 1: mediate between Indian and Pakistan. I find that interesting.
Speaker 2: Equally interesting Malaysia.
Speaker 1: Malaysia, you know, country that's already got enough issues going on,
Speaker 1: which is seen as like a China junior and super
Speaker 1: tight withj But all right, Malaysian Prime Minister and War
Speaker 1: Abraham in a post on x express support for Pakistan's
Speaker 1: call for an independent and transparent investigation into the Polygrim attack.
Speaker 1: Malaysia remains open to playing a constructive role should the
Speaker 1: need arise, he added, suggesting a willingness to mediate if
Speaker 1: acceptable to New Delhi and Islamabad.
Speaker 2: Iran. Iran, oddly enough, has offered to mediate between this
Speaker 2: and by the way, I know, I know, maybe I'm
Speaker 2: a little biased here, but of the nations that are
Speaker 2: trying to mediate this, I find it odd that they
Speaker 2: all pretty much all sit on one side of this
Speaker 2: international alliance that is currently going down. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: throw that out Iran. Tehran was willing to use its
Speaker 2: good offices in Islamabad and New Delhi to forge greater
Speaker 2: understanding at this de coul time for Minister Abbas Argatchi
Speaker 2: said on x four days after the attack. So, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know here.
Speaker 1: I find that odd that they wouldn't be willing to
Speaker 1: let the United States or the UK or Germany. Let
Speaker 1: Germany media, they have no dog in this fight whatsoever.
Speaker 1: But no, no, We're going for the nations that are
Speaker 1: being considered the alliance of evil, the axis of evil.
Speaker 2: I've heard this term be used a lot. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that China and Russia are all evil, but that
Speaker 2: is a term I'm hearing used on the mainstream media.
Speaker 2: I don't agree with that, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I just find it interesting that of the countries
Speaker 2: that we don't necessarily like three of the four of
Speaker 2: them are trying to broker a deal between India and Pakistan.
Speaker 2: Find that very interesting anyway, Tony, I saw you unmuted
Speaker 2: yourself a minute ago. I know you're want to weigh
Speaker 2: in on something here.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was wondering if the article would bring up
Speaker 9: the five or six airplanes that Pakistan has shot down
Speaker 9: that most of the world seems to recognize, all the
Speaker 9: India denies it. Have you heard of that story?
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what the planes were, but I'm not
Speaker 1: even trying to French. There were French, French made planes.
Speaker 9: Yeah, French made planes. It's about a company called Rafale,
Speaker 9: and Pakistan has Chinese made planes. Pakistan also has done
Speaker 9: a bunch of military exercises with China for a while,
Speaker 9: and China is considering given Pakistan their latest fighters, that
Speaker 9: J thirty five, which is the F thirty five. Basically
Speaker 9: it looks very similar to it, So we'll see.
Speaker 2: Is that what they're calling the White Emperor.
Speaker 9: I haven't heard that name, but it looks just like
Speaker 9: an F thirty five. They pretty much copied it. Any Yeah,
Speaker 9: I kind of think that this is going to die
Speaker 9: down soon, because that's what happened back in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 9: I was texting with one of my Indian friends earlier
Speaker 9: today and he says he also thinks it's going to
Speaker 9: die down. He's not afraid of nukes. I'm not that
Speaker 9: afraid of nukes, but I think it is still something
Speaker 9: to worry about because it's not just the president or
Speaker 9: prime minister that can order them to be launched. Any
Speaker 9: country with nukes, to my knowledge, has devolved the ability
Speaker 9: to launch those down to some kind of lower level,
Speaker 9: so it's in the hands of probably a couple of
Speaker 9: dozen guys instead of just one guy there, kind of
Speaker 9: like the Doctor Strangelove movie that everybody has seen, something
Speaker 9: like that could happen. Maybe we've just gotten lucky anyway. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: that was the only other thing I could think of.
Speaker 9: It was just the planes. So India has launched some
Speaker 9: missiles and Pakistan shot a bunch of planes down. They
Speaker 9: shot them down over India too, by the way, with
Speaker 9: surface to air missiles. From what I read.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not like a all knower as far as
Speaker 1: the Indian military's concern. I've done a couple of little
Speaker 1: I don't even say stories I've done with some research
Speaker 1: into the Indian military before, I know they're capable, right, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know what I know.
Speaker 1: They were in the middle of trying to buy either
Speaker 1: they were gonna buy some was it f thirty five's
Speaker 1: or the Sue fifty seven's from China?
Speaker 2: I forget what it was. There was a contract that
Speaker 2: was just put out and then America last minute pulled
Speaker 2: back on the deal and India bought the or is
Speaker 2: it Russian made? Is the Sue.
Speaker 9: Sue is Russian? It's it's short for Sue Foy. And
Speaker 9: there are other big couple of companies to be meg
Speaker 9: like MiG twenty nine, Yeah, Tupa Lev and I and
Speaker 9: there's a couple others now.
Speaker 1: And this is just me being I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: be shitty here, but I could also see America pulling back,
Speaker 1: and I heard a couple of different generals speak on
Speaker 1: it in so many words, basically saying like, no, we
Speaker 1: want India to get the other guys tech so that
Speaker 1: we can see how it compares in an actual war zone,
Speaker 1: to see how far behind they are with our tech
Speaker 1: or how it would fare against our own defenses kind
Speaker 1: of thing. So if that is the case, and if
Speaker 1: they do, in fact have these Russian Sioux jets. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm curious if Pakistan is able to shoot them down
Speaker 1: because Russia has been touting a lot of things about
Speaker 1: their jets capabilities and if and I'm not like these
Speaker 1: were French planes that were shot down and I understand that,
Speaker 1: but hypothetically, if Pakistan is able to shoot down they're great.
Speaker 2: Royce, mute yoursell brother.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so sorry, you're good, brother.
Speaker 1: If Pakistan is able to shoot down a Russian what
Speaker 1: they're calling their sixth Gen fighter or maybe the fifth Gin,
Speaker 1: maybe they're not releasing their cream of the crop for sale.
Speaker 2: Fine, if they're able to shoot down from a basic
Speaker 2: surface to air missile that they have, I think that
Speaker 2: that would also kind of be.
Speaker 1: Some really good data for America to collect. That could
Speaker 1: be the motive there. I don't know this for a fact,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I see what you mean as far as
Speaker 1: like the nuclear war being something that needs to be
Speaker 1: at least talked about. But dude, if anybody was to
Speaker 1: launch a nuke, and yeah it's been it's been broken
Speaker 1: down to a couple of people on the lower ends, sure,
Speaker 1: that would mean that this one person that made the
Speaker 1: decision to turn the key and push the button just
Speaker 1: doomed his entire.
Speaker 2: Nation as soon as he decides to push the button.
Speaker 2: And I think that's understood nobody, even America.
Speaker 1: We're the only nation to ever successfully launch a nuke
Speaker 1: in a wartime field of any type. If we were
Speaker 1: to do that right now, all other nations with nukes
Speaker 1: will attack us instantly.
Speaker 2: We'll have about twenty minutes of chill time before we're
Speaker 2: all torched.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of understood. So I don't really see
Speaker 1: it as at I don't know.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 9: The reason they still could happen is because there's been
Speaker 9: a couple of incidents where it almost happened, where some
Speaker 9: guy thinks he sees a nuclear missile incoming on a
Speaker 9: radar screen, and depending on how his officer reacts to that,
Speaker 9: missiles could go flying. There's also been a couple of
Speaker 9: broken arrow incidents. Yeah, that's the euphemism given to it,
Speaker 9: where you know, a nuclear bomb accidentally gets dropped, just accidentally,
Speaker 9: and it's happened a couple of times and luckily none
Speaker 9: of them has exploded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's happened like thirty seven times. In the Cotton
Speaker 1: Mill US thirty seven.
Speaker 9: Well, I didn't know it was that many, but I've
Speaker 9: heard of several.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Operation Chrome Dome when we used to have jets
Speaker 1: just flying the globe twenty four to seven with nukes
Speaker 1: and them just in case something popped off.
Speaker 2: There was more than a few times when the plane.
Speaker 1: Experience some issues and had to drop the load. But
Speaker 1: there was one in particular. God, I wish I remember
Speaker 1: the side. I want to say it was in Mississippi
Speaker 1: or in Georgia, and they had to drop two nukes
Speaker 1: out of the plane and the safeties were enacted on them,
Speaker 1: and there was like three separate safeties to keep this
Speaker 1: thing from going off. Each of them hit the ground
Speaker 1: didn't explode, which is great. However, on them when the
Speaker 1: investigation was done, of the three safeties, two of them
Speaker 1: failed and one was like still intact and kept it
Speaker 1: from blowing up. The problem is it was two separate safeties.
Speaker 2: Wow, as they're talking about nukes blowing up, I got
Speaker 2: fireworks going off behind my head.
Speaker 1: Really bad timing their AI or whatever this phone thing is.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it was two separate safety devices that kept
Speaker 1: them from going It wasn't like this one kill switch
Speaker 1: trigger that was like really super gigachad made that saved
Speaker 1: the world. It was an accident that each of these
Speaker 1: individually stopped it from happening. And yeah, that happened more
Speaker 1: than a few times, like more than we'd like to
Speaker 1: admit out loud, for sure.
Speaker 2: So I see what you're saying. Maybe like a.
Speaker 1: Combination of incompetence or you know, a little bit of
Speaker 1: fear mongering would attribute some general to go ahead and
Speaker 1: pull the trigger on a nuclear warhead. I could see it.
Speaker 1: But man, that would be just that would be the
Speaker 1: end of his whole nation.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I agree, it's also pretty unlikely. One other thing
Speaker 9: I wanted to bring up is that I'm sure you've
Speaker 9: read multiple articles on the effectiveness of different countries militaries,
Speaker 9: and when I read those, they're normally pretty slanted. I've
Speaker 9: seen articles saying that China would definitely win against Taiwan,
Speaker 9: and I've seen articles saying it would definitely go the
Speaker 9: other way. And this is why war is just such
Speaker 9: a gamble, and everyone seems to go into it thinking
Speaker 9: that they're definitely gonna win and be home by Christmas.
Speaker 9: It's like nothing has changed since World War One or
Speaker 9: long before that. Everyone goes into it with overconfidence, and
Speaker 9: I think India and Pakistan might better match than either
Speaker 9: side wants to admit.
Speaker 2: It's very possible.
Speaker 1: It's very possible, right because we're going off with the
Speaker 1: data that we have, and it's like at that point
Speaker 1: you have to look at who your source is and
Speaker 1: how valid is that source, then look at both sides
Speaker 1: of that conversation. I'm not saying that the Pakistani military
Speaker 1: is dog shit by any means.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I do know that India is extremely capable and they
Speaker 1: have the numbers. That being said, if they were to
Speaker 1: really throw in their entire might into it, both Pakistan
Speaker 1: and India, I have no idea how that would really
Speaker 1: shake out.
Speaker 2: I believe that India would win that.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't mean that just because of the numbers.
Speaker 1: I believe that because if you just look at size
Speaker 1: of military and the tech they're dealing with.
Speaker 2: But I don't know that for a fact.
Speaker 1: There's been so many military upsets where the underdog absolutely
Speaker 1: came out on top, So who's to say right aside
Speaker 1: from that, I think that you're right. I haven't talked
Speaker 1: to anybody in India or Pakistan for that matter, as
Speaker 1: far as it goes, but I think that it'll probably
Speaker 1: get over hyped for a little bit and then it.
Speaker 2: Will blow over.
Speaker 1: But I would be remiss to say that there is
Speaker 1: no chance of this going into a full on, all out, knockdown,
Speaker 1: drag out war between the two countries. It's very possible.
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to bring that article up everybody. Now,
Speaker 1: This next one is rather interesting. The UN judge jailed
Speaker 1: for keeping housekeeper as a slave. I don't know if
Speaker 1: anybody heard about this one yet, but the United Nations judge,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get into what her judiciary powers.
Speaker 2: Were with the UN. It's very ironic that she herself
Speaker 2: had a slave, and we're gonna yep, let's just dive
Speaker 2: on into it, shall we. Is from the BBC News.
Speaker 1: A United Nations judge has been jailed for six years
Speaker 1: and four months for forcing a woman to work as
Speaker 1: a domestic slave. Lydia Magombay, fifty, was studying for a
Speaker 1: PhD in law at the University of Oxford when police
Speaker 1: discovered she had a young Ugandan woman in her home
Speaker 1: carrying out unpaid work as a maid and nanny. Mcgumbay,
Speaker 1: who was also a High Court judge in Uganda, was
Speaker 1: jailed at Oxford Crown Court on Friday after she was
Speaker 1: found guilty of modern day slavery offenses in March. In sentencing,
Speaker 1: Judge David Foxton told the defendant she showed absolutely no
Speaker 1: remorse for her actions and she looked or she had
Speaker 1: looked to forcibly blame the victim for what happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's how slavery works, right, It's the worker's fault
Speaker 1: that they're a slave in England. Yeah, mcgumbay fraudulently arranged
Speaker 1: a visa for the woman, but it stipulated she would
Speaker 1: be paid to work as a private servant at the
Speaker 1: diplomatic residence of John mcgumbay, Uganda's former Deputy High Commissioner
Speaker 1: based at the country's embassy in London. Prosecutor said mister
Speaker 1: mcgumbay sponsored the victim's visa knowing she would actually work
Speaker 1: in servitude for mcgumbay. I'm sorry, mcgirwah, prosecutor said, mcgirwah,
Speaker 1: so the diplomatic residence of John mcgirway. Excuse me to
Speaker 1: miss mcgumbay. In return, mcgumbay the woman would provide him
Speaker 1: assistance in relation to a separate court case in Uganda
Speaker 1: in which he was a defendant and the court was
Speaker 1: told the trial heard mctgumbay paid for the victim's flight
Speaker 1: and picked her up from the airport, but the young
Speaker 1: woman then became a slave at the judge's home in Kindlington, Oxfordshire.
Speaker 1: This is her, by the way, she was studying for
Speaker 1: a PhD in law in England.
Speaker 2: As she had a house slave. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Mister Foxton described as a very sad case as he
Speaker 1: outlined mcgumbay's legal accomplishments, including her work in the protection
Speaker 1: of human rights.
Speaker 2: YEP.
Speaker 1: In a written statement read the court by prosecutor Carolyn
Speaker 1: Holly case don't know what that means, the victim described
Speaker 1: living in almost constant fear due to mcgumbay's powerful standing
Speaker 1: in Uganda. The woman, who cannot be named for legal reason,
Speaker 1: said she can't go back to Uganda due to fear
Speaker 1: of what may happen to her, and added that she
Speaker 1: may never see her mother again. Yeah, this is full
Speaker 1: on indentured servitude. Like, there's no two ways about this.
Speaker 1: This is a slave and this.
Speaker 2: Woman who was in London, England.
Speaker 1: Studying in law and had done so much human rights
Speaker 1: work and she was a u N judge. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: So anyway, the miss Holley said mcgumbay exploited her victim
Speaker 1: by taking advantage of her lack of knowledge about employment
Speaker 1: rights and misleading her about why she came to the UK.
Speaker 2: She said there was clear and significant.
Speaker 1: Imbalance of power within the relationship between mcgumbay and her
Speaker 1: victim treated as worthless. The Crown Prosecution Service authorized police
Speaker 1: to charge mister mcgirwa with conspiracy, but he had diplomatic
Speaker 1: immunity which the Ugandan government did not wave. So he
Speaker 1: knew damn good and well that he was bringing this
Speaker 1: woman into London to be a actual slave. But then
Speaker 1: he pulled his diplomatic community card and the Ugandan government
Speaker 1: he gave him that.
Speaker 2: But they said, yep he does. He's got diplomatic community.
Speaker 2: It is what it is. Mcgumbay.
Speaker 1: The lady who had the slave had denied forcing the
Speaker 1: young Uganda woman to do household chores and said she
Speaker 1: always treated her with love, care and patience. Then Clark
Speaker 1: of the Thames Valley Police said there was no doubt
Speaker 1: that mcgumbay had known she was committing offenses. Modern slavery
Speaker 1: is an underreported crime, and I hope that the bravery
Speaker 1: of the victim in this case courages other victims of
Speaker 1: some modern slavery to come forward, he said. A University
Speaker 1: of Oxford spokesperson said the institution was appalled by its
Speaker 1: students' crimes. The university is now commencing its own disciplinary process,
Speaker 1: which has the power to remove students convicted of serious
Speaker 1: criminal offenses.
Speaker 2: The spokesperson said, Okay, so.
Speaker 1: Just in case everybody's not kept track of that, the
Speaker 1: un had this person, this lady from Uganda, who was
Speaker 1: there to do more work. But yeah, you look at
Speaker 1: her track record as far as the un was concerned.
Speaker 1: She wasn't like a champion of human rights, but she
Speaker 1: would have stylized herself as such, and she was trying
Speaker 1: to get a pH d involved from Oxford to continue
Speaker 1: furthering the work she was doing with the un Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: she absolutely had a slave, which I mean that the
Speaker 1: jokes right themselves, but also it's a disgusting thing, like
Speaker 1: a one hundred percent just disgusting. So if anybody has
Speaker 1: anything that would like to add on to that, one
Speaker 1: go for it. I'm gonna read some of these things
Speaker 1: in the chat. Let's see here. Oh all right, so
Speaker 1: we lost Anthony. He had to go in for the night. Anthony,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining.
Speaker 4: Us, sir.
Speaker 1: Let's see, this is the robot article Raven Lee has
Speaker 1: sent in. I thought a sex slave at first, you
Speaker 1: would think, you would think, and I'm not even saying
Speaker 1: that she wasn't used as such, like a slave can
Speaker 1: be used.
Speaker 2: For whatever the hell the owner wants to use them for.
Speaker 1: But from what the article and the reports would be
Speaker 1: leading us to believe, it was more for household chores
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. So I don't believe at
Speaker 1: this time there was any sexual abuse that was done
Speaker 1: to the victim. I'm not ruling that out, but I
Speaker 1: guess time will tell.
Speaker 2: More stories are going to come out about this, Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, so yeah it is. It is absolutely tragic,
Speaker 2: Raven I could not agree more. So let's get back
Speaker 2: to it here.
Speaker 1: The I had something pulled up about the Congo. But honestly,
Speaker 1: the situation in the Congo in Rwanda is so so
Speaker 1: in depth that it would take me an entire conversation
Speaker 1: of two hours to break it all down. Long story short,
Speaker 1: the M twenty three is allowing how could I put this,
Speaker 1: Rwanda sent fighters into Congo, a democrat republic Gernanda Congo,
Speaker 1: and now they are extending an olive branch allowing any
Speaker 1: Congolese refugees to come into Rwanda for force, you know,
Speaker 1: sanctuary where they'll be surrounded by the people who invaded
Speaker 1: their country. Let that one marinade as long as you
Speaker 1: need to to see what would happen.
Speaker 2: And if we.
Speaker 1: Only look a few decades back as far as what
Speaker 1: Rwanda will do or could do. Yeah, no, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's gonna be another machete genocide, but there's a
Speaker 1: greater than zero percent chance of it. Also, if you
Speaker 1: look at the military prowess of your average Rwandan soldier
Speaker 1: and compare that to your average Congolese soldier, I'm not
Speaker 1: even throwing this out to like be be shitty about this.
Speaker 1: The math is the math on this one Rwandan soldier
Speaker 1: is probably equal to about fifteen Congolese fighters. Like as
Speaker 1: far as the weapons, the training, the overall military prowess
Speaker 1: thereof you got, it's basically like a professional soldier with
Speaker 1: real training against I don't even want to say rebel forces,
Speaker 1: scared kids with guns.
Speaker 2: That is, that's what's being equated here.
Speaker 1: So when the M twenty three sent their troops, they're
Speaker 1: fighters into the Congo, it's been it's been rough for
Speaker 1: the Congolese people, the fighters thereof So we'll.
Speaker 2: See what happens with that.
Speaker 1: Again, I wanted to pull up an article to talk
Speaker 1: more about the current status of it.
Speaker 2: It's it's a mess. It is very, very messy and
Speaker 2: very ugly. We an'll need to go there as far
Speaker 2: as this episode is concerned. Anyway, moving on here, I
Speaker 2: actually had a couple of different things as far as
Speaker 2: tech goes, that we could talk about today.
Speaker 1: But let's see here. Royce actually sent this one in
Speaker 1: bionic lens. You've never seen anything like it. I feel
Speaker 1: like that was a pun. I feel like that was
Speaker 1: a pun.
Speaker 2: We all crave twenty twenty vision and envy those that
Speaker 2: have it, but it's still a thing of the past
Speaker 2: as technology finds something even better with the bionic lens.
Speaker 2: What is the bionic contact lens.
Speaker 1: The bionic contact lens is an advanced artificial lens that
Speaker 1: replaces the natural lens in the eye, offering enhanced vision
Speaker 1: beyond twenty twenty, reducing eyestrain and preventing cataracts and glaucoma.
Speaker 1: Developed by a Canadian company, Gumenttics Technology Corporation. It may
Speaker 1: also support features like smartphone projection and slow drug delivery
Speaker 1: through it, though it comes at a high initial cost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could believe that. I absolutely could believe. It's
Speaker 2: going to be a little pricey on the front end.
Speaker 2: Look into the distance. Imagine seeing the smallest of details
Speaker 2: from thirty feet away instead of ten, for example, letters
Speaker 2: on a sign or a dial on a clock.
Speaker 1: Pretty cool stuff and definitely possible with the biome bionic lens.
Speaker 1: Whilst our national human lens Jesus, I can't speak today,
Speaker 1: Whilst our natural human lens limits us in how far
Speaker 1: we are able to see, this new piece of technology
Speaker 1: will remove the problem entirely. Say goodbye to strained eyes.
Speaker 1: The bionic lens uses one hundredth the amount of energy
Speaker 1: that our natural lens does. Now, how are you able
Speaker 1: to measure that? I mean, I'm sure there's a way.
Speaker 1: But this bionic mechanical lens is going to use a
Speaker 1: one hundredth of the energy that are actual born with
Speaker 1: human eyes does. But all right, this means straining eyes
Speaker 1: will no longer be a thing as well or as
Speaker 1: we will be able to focus on something for as
Speaker 1: long as we would like without the issue of damage
Speaker 1: to our site. That's pretty incredible. Let's check this out.
Speaker 2: It's a fifteen minute long video. Now we're not watching that,
Speaker 2: Good Lord.
Speaker 1: This exciting piece of technology will ensure that cataracts in
Speaker 1: the eye no longer occur. Cataracts results in cloudy vision
Speaker 1: when a human lens becomes less transparent. The innovation is
Speaker 1: literally paving the way to clear vision. Interestingly, the surgery
Speaker 1: undertaken by the or for the bionic lens would have
Speaker 1: the same tools and techniques as the cataracts procedure. Futurisms
Speaker 1: have quoted that cataract surgery is the most common and
Speaker 1: successful procedure in medicine, so there is real hope for
Speaker 1: this new piece of innovation. Another benefit is the tech
Speaker 1: lens Techi lens is a is is its ability, Good Lord,
Speaker 1: to prevent glaucoma, described by the NHS as an eye
Speaker 1: condition where the optic nerve which connects your eye to
Speaker 1: your brain becomes damaged.
Speaker 2: Glaucoma can be.
Speaker 1: Caused when a cataract's lens releases toxic substances into the
Speaker 1: chamber of the eye.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they're basically saying, okay, also, if it.
Speaker 1: Does look like that, that would be really cool. Like
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not for because I know somebody, somebody
Speaker 1: is gonna try to hook this up to AI. I
Speaker 1: know it's gonna happen, right, But aside from that, if
Speaker 1: you're telling me that you could make your iris look
Speaker 1: like that and it can like change colors and stuff like,
Speaker 1: that's that's actually pretty.
Speaker 2: Cool, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Let's see what is the before we get too carried away.
Speaker 1: What are the limitations of the bionic lens? It can't
Speaker 1: solve it all. Unfortunately, the bionic lens won't be able
Speaker 1: to cure everything. For example, color blindness, cloudiness, uh, cloudy
Speaker 1: corneas excuse me, and torn optic nerves. Sure, okay, it
Speaker 1: makes sense it wouldn't be able to cure those things. The
Speaker 1: cost of the bionic lens. Each lens is expected to
Speaker 1: cost thirty two hundred dollars US, and this is without
Speaker 1: the cost of surgery. With time, it is likely to
Speaker 1: become cheaper, but to start, it will not be affordable
Speaker 1: to many people.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1: Unfair visual advantage, as not everyone will be able to
Speaker 1: afford this over or this supersite technology. One of the
Speaker 1: questions these innovators need to address is how fair it
Speaker 1: is if some people have significantly better vision than others
Speaker 1: with the bionic lens? Fair Like, I'm sorry, life's not fair.
Speaker 1: What difference does that make if somebody's got the money
Speaker 1: to put a mechanical lens in their eyeball?
Speaker 2: Like? Yo, who am I to whom i'd have judged?
Speaker 2: Good for you? Interesting stuff, Royce, very interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: Now, with all of that, I don't know if there
Speaker 1: was any other articles that y'all wanted to get into,
Speaker 1: but it is something else that roy sent as far
Speaker 1: as the Sanhedrin is concerned.
Speaker 2: Now, Royce helped me out here.
Speaker 1: Is this from the Sanhedron of the old times? Or
Speaker 1: is this the sanhedron that was attempted in twenty ten?
Speaker 4: So neither? Actually?
Speaker 1: Okay, real quick, Raven, your hand is raised. Is this
Speaker 1: involving the Sanhedron or something else?
Speaker 4: Oh? Sorry?
Speaker 6: Or should I get my hand raised?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 6: I had dropped something in the chat really quick of
Speaker 6: South Korea's liquid robot thing, and that I added like
Speaker 6: the YouTube video and all that. It doesn't have to
Speaker 6: be tonight, but I just wanted you guys to see it.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So what does everybody feel y'all want
Speaker 2: to talk about the Korean Liquid robot or do y'all
Speaker 2: want to talk about Sanhedrin things? I'm down for either
Speaker 2: or matter of fact, we know, let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's get out of this and I will check the
Speaker 1: chat to see what everybody is feeling on this reading
Speaker 1: the I'm speechless text.
Speaker 2: Shut up, alex.
Speaker 1: Uh only says san he Dream. Royce says sand he Dream.
Speaker 2: We can do the g stuff word up, word up
Speaker 2: either as interesting. Okay, well, look all right, tell you
Speaker 2: all what.
Speaker 1: Let's put the Korean Liquid Robot conversation to next week
Speaker 1: or hell, we can even do it afterwards. This doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be a two hour pod. We can go
Speaker 1: aslong as we Dan will please. But I just know
Speaker 1: that everybody's got work tomorrow morning, so you know, try
Speaker 1: to be conscientious of these things. But all right, so Royce,
Speaker 1: break down what I am looking at as far as
Speaker 1: this Sanhedrin conversation is concerned.
Speaker 4: All right, So just to clarify. So the talent is
Speaker 4: made up of a number of they're called tract taps,
Speaker 4: like each has a very very specific thing. So you
Speaker 4: have Sennhedron, which is dealing with the laws of the
Speaker 4: court system. You have like Brokos, which is dealing with blessings.
Speaker 4: So there are a number of tractates that are in
Speaker 4: the town load.
Speaker 1: So quick would a tracta be equivalent to a book
Speaker 1: of the Bible or maybe like a chapter of a
Speaker 1: book of the Bible?
Speaker 4: Call it its own book.
Speaker 2: Okay? Then is like a book I got you and.
Speaker 4: Then inside you have they're called folio A and B.
Speaker 4: So like the one page of Gamara is front and back.
Speaker 4: It's not just it's not just like page one. It's
Speaker 4: like forty nine A and B.
Speaker 11: Okay, Okay, So so this one, so this portion of
Speaker 11: the Talmude is from the Tractate of Sanhedrin on on
Speaker 11: forty three A.
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's like side one of this scroll page
Speaker 1: page okay, good things, good things. And I do appreciate
Speaker 1: that this has a English and Hebrew translation here, because
Speaker 1: boyle boy, you're the only one here that can read Hebrew,
Speaker 1: and are you fluent in Hebrew or you like, have
Speaker 1: a working understanding of the language.
Speaker 4: Working understanding. But there's also a big difference between talmudik Hebrew,
Speaker 4: modern Hebrew and build of the Hebrew.
Speaker 2: Explain that to everybody who may not know what you
Speaker 2: mean by this.
Speaker 4: So, for example, and Tony probably can back me up
Speaker 4: on this, the verbs and some of the flowery language
Speaker 4: that might be written in the Bible is not going
Speaker 4: to be written, not going to be spoken in Hebrew
Speaker 4: or in modern Israeli. Which is.
Speaker 2: To say, like the Old English, the Shakespearean English that
Speaker 2: we read in the King James Bible is not.
Speaker 1: The same even in England English. That's not the way
Speaker 1: they speak today. Is that kind of an equal, you know, comparison.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes. And then as you read, you will notice
Speaker 4: that there are words that are bold and words that
Speaker 4: are not bold. The words that are bold are from
Speaker 4: the actually Hebrewic text. The words that are not in
Speaker 4: bold are basically the he help you understand all the
Speaker 4: ands and ofs and to give you complete context about
Speaker 4: what's going on. Because that's exactly how complicated learning gamar is.
Speaker 4: That's why people learn it. It's a very very high
Speaker 4: level because you have to have all this understanding that
Speaker 4: you know what's going on, and as you say, very
Speaker 4: often you know the time and the place, so you
Speaker 4: need to know what's going on, who's speaking, the opinion
Speaker 4: of who it was talking, and just FYI, Like there
Speaker 4: are plenty of cases in the Gamara where at the
Speaker 4: very end they'll say I have no idea, so you know,
Speaker 4: and then you try that.
Speaker 1: The equivalent of them being like, you go on this
Speaker 1: a long ti ratee about something.
Speaker 2: Then you're in like, but I don't know though you
Speaker 2: do you? Is that like their cop album?
Speaker 12: No, it's not.
Speaker 4: No no no, no for sure, No, no for sure,
Speaker 4: And basically what one of those like here, here's the
Speaker 4: situation that the gamar is given we don't know how
Speaker 4: to pascan, which means basically how to what the law
Speaker 4: should be.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, fair enough, But in that what the talmud
Speaker 1: is is the rules of how to act when in
Speaker 1: a foreign land, so to speak.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of things that you learn from it,
Speaker 4: but this is not where the law comes from. This
Speaker 4: is how to derive laws from. So like there's it's
Speaker 4: basically it starts with the gamar and then it keeps
Speaker 4: going and going up until he finally got to the
Speaker 4: shulkan Aruch, which basically means that which is the code
Speaker 4: of Jewish law, and that there's a huge way that
Speaker 4: an exhibition, that it went from one to the other,
Speaker 4: to the next to the next, because you don't dictate
Speaker 4: law from the Gamar like here, here's the general rules.
Speaker 4: But as far as like, okay, for example, the titsus
Speaker 4: these strings. Excuse me that a religious jeweill wear on
Speaker 4: the four corners of your garments? What makes that up?
Speaker 4: So in the Gamar? I'm not entirely sure where it
Speaker 4: talks about it. However, any code of Jewish law is
Speaker 4: when it codifies it.
Speaker 2: Got you speaking of do you wear those? By the way,
Speaker 2: the prayer tassels.
Speaker 4: All the time?
Speaker 2: Good for you, Good for you.
Speaker 4: I also wear mayamaga underneath my hat, and then when
Speaker 4: I can't wear mayamica, I wear my welbing cap. Well.
Speaker 1: I mean it's also it doesn't necessarily have to be
Speaker 1: a yamica, correct, as long as it is some sort
Speaker 1: of head covering to remind you that there is God
Speaker 1: above you, right.
Speaker 4: Yes, And by the way, so you've heard the term yamaka, right, yeah?
Speaker 4: Have you ever seen it spelled I have not. It's
Speaker 4: like why a r m U l K. And it's like,
Speaker 4: how the hell you get yamaka out of this?
Speaker 2: That's your open And.
Speaker 4: So the answer is that it's so it comes from
Speaker 4: yeu a malka, which means awe a reverence of the king.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, sure, So then let me ask you, well, no,
Speaker 2: I guess I was about to answer my own question.
Speaker 1: I remember we had this one doc, Navy doc. We
Speaker 1: called him juw Doc because he was, oh, I mean,
Speaker 1: he was born Southern Baptist, but he married a Jewish
Speaker 1: woman and he went through the whole process of converting
Speaker 1: to Judaism, and he would wear his yamica in his
Speaker 1: camis and all that stuff. By definition, wouldn't a military
Speaker 1: cover like b the equivalent to wearing a yamica as
Speaker 1: long as it was done with that kind of intent.
Speaker 1: But then I guess at that point, if you could
Speaker 1: get out of wearing it and also show your faith
Speaker 1: outwardly like that, why wouldn't you?
Speaker 2: So I get it album.
Speaker 4: No, So, so, actually that's not gonna be correct.
Speaker 12: So, first of all, when it comes to prayer, there's
Speaker 12: people that wear.
Speaker 4: Two coverings, like whenever you see, let's say religous Jews
Speaker 4: who are in the whaling wall. No, now, we're not
Speaker 4: talking about the morning prayers, because that's when you have
Speaker 4: the full prayer shawl and the filling. However, for the
Speaker 4: afternoon and evening prayers, it's very common to see a
Speaker 4: religious Jewish man wearing a yamaica and a hat. So
Speaker 4: even when I wear my baseball cap around town, underneath
Speaker 4: the yamaca.
Speaker 2: Yo, what is the name of that the super pimp
Speaker 2: nasty fur hat that you see Hasidic Jews wearing.
Speaker 4: Strim bro that you oh, dude, So first of all,
Speaker 4: they're awesome, They're they're amazing, but they are as an expensive.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because it's like full on mink border beaver
Speaker 1: fur fox. I've heard of a couple of different ones,
Speaker 1: but like, dude, those things are so nasty.
Speaker 2: I would rock the hell out of one.
Speaker 1: If I live somewhere where it was cold, uh in Louisiana,
Speaker 1: that would be just asking to, uh, you know, dehydrate
Speaker 1: myself and go down as a heat casualty. But you know,
Speaker 1: for the guys that can rock it, I think they're
Speaker 1: cool as hell.
Speaker 4: But also, what's really what's really cool about hats. Is
Speaker 4: that if you see various people with different kind of hats,
Speaker 4: that kind of tells you what sect of casilla may follow.
Speaker 2: I remember hearing about this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because because not every Jew wears the same hat. So,
Speaker 4: for example, even among those who wear yamakas, you have
Speaker 4: the people that wear the ones with velvet on the outside,
Speaker 4: you have ones that are knit. So that's generally somebody
Speaker 4: who is either Orthodox or Modern Orthodox, okay, or and
Speaker 4: you have you have a flat hat, You'll you'll have
Speaker 4: strangles of various sizes. You'll have borsolinos, whether they'd be
Speaker 4: short brimmed and long brimmed, and you have all these various.
Speaker 1: Who wears it's like it almost looks like an Amish hat,
Speaker 1: but it's black, and it's also pretty pen nasty.
Speaker 4: Probably probably, okay, Yeah, Borcelains boris are very very common,
Speaker 4: especially in the Habad community.
Speaker 2: Word okay, all right, So anyway back to back to
Speaker 2: what we are reading here with Sanhedrin forty three A.
Speaker 2: So what exactly are we looking at here?
Speaker 4: So basically, this section of the Gamara is talking about
Speaker 4: if somebody is going to be killed, either the there
Speaker 4: are four ways of killing in the Gamara or in
Speaker 4: the ta stoning, burning and the two other ones I
Speaker 4: don't remember, or strangulation and drowning, I think. Okay, anyway,
Speaker 4: so you have to have so if somebody can get
Speaker 4: testimony that the person is innocent, we try to publish
Speaker 4: eyes that fact. But hey, this person is guilty of
Speaker 4: this crime. If there's anybody that can testify on his behalf,
Speaker 4: come come and testify, because we really want to save
Speaker 4: a life. So this, at least this section of Gamar
Speaker 4: is specifically talking about Jesus, which is the whole reason
Speaker 4: why I was wanting to bring it up. And now
Speaker 4: this is not the only place in Guar that speaks
Speaker 4: about him. But since I'm studying it as I come
Speaker 4: upon it, I'll let you know. So in the next
Speaker 4: seven years you'll hit the net. You'll we'll hit all
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 2: Sounds good to me.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: As far as the times when the Sanhedrin tried to
Speaker 1: kill Jesus, they stoned him once. There was another instance
Speaker 1: when he went to Nazareth and he proclaimed himself the
Speaker 1: son of Man and basically said that he was the
Speaker 1: son of God. His own town folk were attempting to
Speaker 1: kill him for it, but again it wasn't like they
Speaker 1: needed a witness because he said this publicly. There was
Speaker 1: tons of witnesses. It was there wasn't even need for
Speaker 1: a trial. It was understood that.
Speaker 4: But you still need one. So regardless of whether or
Speaker 4: not it's public or not, there still need to be witnesses.
Speaker 4: And these witnesses have to be credible. They have to
Speaker 4: be Jewish, they have to be men, they have to
Speaker 4: be men, have to be like shower shabas and mintzvahs,
Speaker 4: and so there's actually a lot of different qualifications that
Speaker 4: someone needs to have. So like yeah, yeah, so because
Speaker 4: as you said, so women cannot or can I be
Speaker 4: a witness. Jews who aren't necessarily religious also can't be witnesses.
Speaker 1: Now think you and I talked about this offline once
Speaker 1: upon a time, or maybe it was on the on Mike,
Speaker 1: I don't know. There was a case, and there's been
Speaker 1: multiple cases, but one in particular I'm thinking of where
Speaker 1: a husband and a wife.
Speaker 2: The husband was about to.
Speaker 1: Pass away and uh he did, but there was no
Speaker 1: man to witness the death, only the wife. So then
Speaker 1: there was a question if it was murder or not.
Speaker 1: And her testimony was worthless because she was a woman
Speaker 1: and there was no man there to witness the death
Speaker 1: or something along those lines.
Speaker 4: I don't remember that situation, okay. And as far as that,
Speaker 4: basically what you have is it the general cases if
Speaker 4: someone goes to war and you can't find a body,
Speaker 4: what happened? What is the status of his life? She
Speaker 4: can't she get remarried or not. So let's just say
Speaker 4: they say, all right, well, this person has died and
Speaker 4: she gets remarried. Well, he comes walking into town one day,
Speaker 4: what do you do? So is she prohibited to her husband?
Speaker 4: Is she not prohibited to her husband? Does she need
Speaker 4: to get divorced from the person that she remarried to.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of different ramifications to these kind
Speaker 4: of questions. Fair, it's not simple at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so let's read in here again. Thank
Speaker 1: you for the English translation here, And that's a.
Speaker 2: B yes, says Uh.
Speaker 1: And the crier must also publicly proclaim that the transgression
Speaker 1: was committed on such and such a day, at such
Speaker 1: and such an hour, and at such and such a
Speaker 1: place as Perhaps there are those who know that the
Speaker 1: witnesses could not have been in that place at that time,
Speaker 1: and they will come forward and render the witness conspiring witnesses. Okay,
Speaker 1: So they're saying that basically, you have to give your
Speaker 1: entire whereabouts, at the time and place. This can't be
Speaker 1: third party information. I completely understand this. The missiona teaches
Speaker 1: that a crier goes out before the condemned man.
Speaker 2: Real quick, the crier.
Speaker 4: The person who announces the dath, this person. This person
Speaker 4: is different and one more quarter thirty the mission and gamara,
Speaker 4: So what the mission means is like those essentially are
Speaker 4: like the little subject text that it's okay, bus I apologize.
Speaker 4: Initially the Torah was not the not the written Torah,
Speaker 4: but the oral Torah was not written down. However, notes
Speaker 4: were allowed to be taken. So basically, so you had
Speaker 4: this great stage called Jhuda ha Nazi who basically compiled
Speaker 4: all the different teachings from all the different rabbis around
Speaker 4: it and put it in certain orders, so that that's
Speaker 4: called the mission. And then the gamara is what explains it.
Speaker 4: So when it just said a second ago, when the
Speaker 4: mission it taught, so that's what was originally taught, and
Speaker 4: then the gamara is expounding upon the mission.
Speaker 1: Got you okay, So again the mission to teaches that
Speaker 1: a crier goes out before the condemned man. This indicates
Speaker 1: that if only this indicates that it is only before him,
Speaker 1: i e. While he is being led to his execution.
Speaker 1: That yes, the crier goes out, but from the out
Speaker 1: set before the accused is convicted, he does not go out.
Speaker 1: The gamar raises a difficulty, but it isn't. But isn't
Speaker 1: it taught.
Speaker 2: In a barreta barissa? Okay, explain what on a passover
Speaker 2: Eve that they hung the corpse of Jesus the Nazarene
Speaker 2: after they killed him by way of stoning. So break
Speaker 2: this one down for me here. What is a bratia?
Speaker 4: So a brysa is a mission that was not written down.
Speaker 4: It's something that was taught and that's known but was
Speaker 4: not written down.
Speaker 2: It's like an oral torah kind of situation.
Speaker 4: An of the oral tora essentially, just it was not
Speaker 4: written down but it's still known about.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, got you.
Speaker 1: On Passover Eve they hung the corpse of Jesus the
Speaker 1: Nazarene after they killed him by way of stoning. Now
Speaker 1: they didn't kill him by way of stoning. They attempted to.
Speaker 1: And that was on Passover eve. He was hung a
Speaker 1: week after passover. So I'm not sure exactly what's meant here.
Speaker 4: I mean, basically, this is I don't want to call
Speaker 4: it revision, revision's history. But according to what this Gamari
Speaker 4: is saying, there is a difference in what the town
Speaker 4: would have arguingly happened as opposed to how Christianity says.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, Now I do know that he was
Speaker 1: stoned outside of the temple in the women's what's not
Speaker 1: the women's.
Speaker 2: Circle, what's it called women's quarter, the women's Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: They attempted to stone him there, but he was able
Speaker 1: to make a getaway at that time. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: was not too long after that when he he was
Speaker 1: crucified in all these things.
Speaker 2: But okay, so.
Speaker 4: Now it's heard the story. Are we say talking about
Speaker 4: like the whole allegory that says, you know, he who
Speaker 4: has who he doesn't have cassa first own? Is that
Speaker 4: what we're talking about?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, completely different, completely different. Time.
Speaker 1: He went to the tip simple steps and started preaching
Speaker 1: his message that he was the Messiah. And like I said,
Speaker 1: the Sadducees and the Pharisees were standing there, and as
Speaker 1: far as needing a witness goes, there was multiple of
Speaker 1: them that were standing there listening to this, So there
Speaker 1: really wasn't a need for a trial. Like I understand
Speaker 1: that everybody gets their day in court, but you have
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen high ranking Sanhedrin members that are hearing
Speaker 1: with their own ear holes this guy say these things.
Speaker 1: So at that point it's like, oh, well, open and shut, man,
Speaker 1: we could just get after it here. So he did
Speaker 1: make his escape on that one, but it was not
Speaker 1: too long after whenever he had his day on Calgary
Speaker 1: and the whole shebang. But going off of this here
Speaker 1: it says and a crier went out before him for
Speaker 1: forty days publicly proclaiming, Jesus the Nazarene is going out
Speaker 1: to be stoned because he practiced sorcery, incited people to
Speaker 1: idle worship, and led the Jewish people astray. Anyone who
Speaker 1: knows of a reason to acquit him should come forward
Speaker 1: and teach it on his behalf. And the court did
Speaker 1: not find a reason to acquit him, and so they
Speaker 1: stoned him and hung his corpse on Passover Eve. So
Speaker 1: this is like, what'd you call it? It was a
Speaker 1: not pseudohistory. You said it was something else.
Speaker 4: I said, revisit his history. So I'm not arguing which
Speaker 4: one is correct or not. Obviously, so I was not
Speaker 4: there right, right, right, But Christianity teaches a certain way.
Speaker 4: So this is at least how the Gamara is presenting
Speaker 4: what happened. That he was not hung on across that
Speaker 4: he was stoned first and then his corpse was hung.
Speaker 1: Interesting although, and this is also a point that I've
Speaker 1: had to I'm gonna remember this seeing Hedrin forty three.
Speaker 1: By the way, that so many people that we have
Speaker 1: had on the cult of conspiracy, one of them Mike
Speaker 1: ald Dank, who doesn't believe that Jesus was a real dude.
Speaker 1: And it's like even the people that wanted him dead
Speaker 1: wrote about him. So, I mean, it's it's not like
Speaker 1: you can even the most prolific atheist scholars will say
Speaker 1: that if anything can be confirmed about Jesus is that
Speaker 1: he did in fact live and die in Jerusalem, like
Speaker 1: he died in Jerusalem. Like that's not that's not even
Speaker 1: something that can be debated by any points that's understood
Speaker 1: to be facts. So when you hear people say, yeah,
Speaker 1: well Jesus was more like a metaphor. He wasn't actually
Speaker 1: a real guy that walk the earth. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: then pretty much every bit of what you're about to
Speaker 1: say next I can't even get down with because if
Speaker 1: that's the lack of research you've done to one of
Speaker 1: the most understood factual things throughout history, I don't even
Speaker 1: know where to go from there.
Speaker 4: So correct, you have to, you have to, you have
Speaker 4: to at least start on the same basis. So if
Speaker 4: some if there's an atheist in someone who's religious speaking
Speaker 4: or whatever religion wanted to be Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, et cetera.
Speaker 4: If de can't start off with by saying the Bible,
Speaker 4: whichever Bible there or their wholely scripture are accurate and
Speaker 4: correct and true, then there is no point of arguing.
Speaker 4: So if an atheist or someone who doesn't believe some
Speaker 4: things that great better example, I don't believe the New Testament.
Speaker 4: Fair so if you so, if you bring me a
Speaker 4: proof text from the New Testament saying hey this is
Speaker 4: what I believe, I can say, fantastic, that's awesome. I
Speaker 4: don't believe that. So we can't ever be on that
Speaker 4: same line.
Speaker 1: It depends on what the thing is though, And I
Speaker 1: usually whenever I have this debate with people, I'd say
Speaker 1: to write out the rip Negate, all the miracles described
Speaker 1: by Jesus and all these because that's the whole point
Speaker 1: of a miracle, right, It's something that cannot be confirmed
Speaker 1: by any other source. And like, I get that, But
Speaker 1: there is certain key historical things that happen in the
Speaker 1: New Testament, right, Diocletian coming after all the Christians and
Speaker 1: torching their cities and all these things, Saul of Tarsus
Speaker 1: killing Christians for a good while, Like, these things are
Speaker 1: historically based. So usually what I'll do is when I
Speaker 1: get in these bits of people, it's like, okay, let's
Speaker 1: start off with a baseline. Can we agree that Pontius
Speaker 1: Pilot was the third governor of Judea in thirty eighty.
Speaker 1: That's usually a line that regardless of whatever religious and
Speaker 1: socioeconomic and whatever things that you got, most people can
Speaker 1: at least get down on that one because it's written
Speaker 1: about by the Roman sources. And you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand that history is a lot agreed upon and
Speaker 1: history is written by the victors, and like, I get that.
Speaker 1: With it, one hundred percent right, But that's pretty much
Speaker 1: an understood fact, I would think anyway, So from there
Speaker 1: away at least built outward.
Speaker 4: Right, for sure, I understand what you're saying as far
Speaker 4: as the historical. So right now, let's say we would
Speaker 4: so you and I would not be arguing the historical
Speaker 4: precedence that there was this person Jesus anadis nazarresk excuse me,
Speaker 4: So both of us would be on that same mutual page. Now,
Speaker 4: what happened after that? And you've said at this point
Speaker 4: of time before, there's a difference between whether somebody believes
Speaker 4: he said of God and is high or not?
Speaker 2: Right, right, It's the same as like saying like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't believe Mohammad existed because I mean, nothing was
Speaker 2: written about him until after he died, and we have
Speaker 2: no depictions of him because forbidden to write anything down
Speaker 2: about him. This is just mass psychosis and it's all
Speaker 2: some big friends.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, I can at least acknowledge that your
Speaker 1: boy Mohammad lived and walked to the earth at one
Speaker 1: point in time. Now, whether he was the prophet or not,
Speaker 1: we can debate that point. But like I agree that
Speaker 1: Mohammad was a real dude, you know. It's it's the
Speaker 1: little stuff like that, and you'll find these people that
Speaker 1: are just unwilling to even conversate on it because it's
Speaker 1: just goes against their whole thesis.
Speaker 2: And it's like, well then you need to rework your thesis. Bro.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, but anyway, all right, so
Speaker 2: let's let's continue this.
Speaker 1: Here is that ullah or ullah Ullah? I think Jula said,
Speaker 1: and how can you understand this proof? Was Jesus the
Speaker 1: nazarene worthy of conducting a search for a reason to
Speaker 1: acquit him? He was an inciter to idle worship, and
Speaker 1: the merciful one states, with regard to an insider to
Speaker 1: idle worship, neither shall you spare, neither shall you conceal him.
Speaker 1: That's Deuteronomy thirteen to nine. Rather, Jesus was different, as
Speaker 1: he had close ties with the government and the gentile
Speaker 1: authorities were interested in his acquittal. Consequently, the court gave
Speaker 1: him every opportunity to clear himself so that it could
Speaker 1: be not be so that it could not be claimed
Speaker 1: that he was falsely convicted.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, he he was brought before a trial and they
Speaker 1: gave him all the chances to recant his statements and
Speaker 1: all the things.
Speaker 2: And he he went down, sticking to it one hundred percent. Apropause. Apropos, apropos, apropos,
Speaker 2: all right, apropos.
Speaker 1: The trial of Jesus. The Gamara cites another brasa.
Speaker 2: Did I say it right?
Speaker 4: Brysa?
Speaker 2: Damn it? Brysa?
Speaker 1: Where the sages taught Jesus and Nazarene had five disciples Matte, Nakay, Netzer, Boonie,
Speaker 1: and Tode. I'm sure I butchered those names. Apologies, I
Speaker 1: don't speak, you know, the Kamara.
Speaker 2: They brought Matthai, which I think would be the Jewish
Speaker 2: name nephew. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Basically into stand trial, Matthew said that to the judges,
Speaker 1: shall Matthew be executed? But isn't it written when matt
Speaker 1: isn't it written when Matthew? Shall I come to appear
Speaker 1: before God? That Psalms forty two to three.
Speaker 4: Matt hawaian one second holi. So in that case, Matthai
Speaker 4: is the Hebrew word for when. So they're so they're
Speaker 4: saying they're using a synonym. So Matai being a disciple,
Speaker 4: and Mattai mean win. So doesn't averse say this? So
Speaker 4: almost everything in them. When it comes to using proof,
Speaker 4: text always backs things up with scripture, so regardless of
Speaker 4: whether so regardless of whether it comes so it doesn't
Speaker 4: always come from the Torah. So one of the things
Speaker 4: that you've said before, then maybe you can actually help
Speaker 4: me answer this question because I don't necessarily know usily
Speaker 4: there are some Jews that don't believe that the everything
Speaker 4: that anything after the Torah is followed. To help me
Speaker 4: understand that, because that's not a thing.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it currently is.
Speaker 1: But I do know during the time of Jesus there
Speaker 1: was a group and I'm not sure, actually no, I'm
Speaker 1: going to look this up because was that explained to me?
Speaker 4: What so a sadduccee as someone who only so they
Speaker 4: still believed in the entire Bible.
Speaker 12: But what they did is that they did not believe.
Speaker 4: In the torriship pay the oral trition. They only believed
Speaker 4: in the written So for example, but when it says
Speaker 4: talks about the film, you should bind them upon your
Speaker 4: armed and should be a reminder between your eyes, they
Speaker 4: have their own tradition what that meant, and they actually
Speaker 4: tried to put the film literally in between your eyes,
Speaker 4: by your nose, as opposed to where Jews wear it
Speaker 4: on the top of their head.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they are called the Karrite k a k
Speaker 2: write Yeah.
Speaker 1: The k write Jews are the Jewish religious group that
Speaker 1: primarily adhere to the written tour of the first five
Speaker 1: books of the Hebrew Bible and reject the oral Torah,
Speaker 1: including the Mishnah and Talmud. According to the Jewish Virtual Library,
Speaker 1: they consider the Tanakh to be the supreme authority in
Speaker 1: religious law and theology.
Speaker 4: Chanak, by the way, is an acronym for Torah, which
Speaker 4: is the Torah, the Nvim, which is prophets, and the
Speaker 4: two Vim, which is the writings.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, and I don't even know how many of
Speaker 1: them there are today.
Speaker 2: I do know that they exist.
Speaker 1: And this is a group that has always existed, it
Speaker 1: says the historical context here. The separation betwe the Karaike
Speaker 1: and Rabbinic Judaism began in the eighth century CE, with
Speaker 1: figures like Anon Ben David playing a key role in
Speaker 1: the development of the Karaite beliefs.
Speaker 2: The Charats have a long history of resisting rabbinic authority
Speaker 2: and advocating for a literal interpretation of the Torah. Huh okay,
Speaker 2: so fair enough.
Speaker 1: In essence, the karte Jews are a group within Judaism
Speaker 1: who prioritize the written Tora over the oral tour and
Speaker 1: its interpretations, emphasizing a direct and literal understanding of the scriptures.
Speaker 4: Interesting, which doesn't make anything, which doesn't make any sense
Speaker 4: coming from someone who's Jewish, because you can't understand the
Speaker 4: written text if you don't have an oral companion that
Speaker 4: goes along with it. So the tillin is one example
Speaker 4: of that. Another example, would we just strings? It's something
Speaker 4: that sits us, right, So like how many strings, what color?
Speaker 4: Or how do we know what kind of garment it
Speaker 4: needs to go on? What is a garment that is appropriate?
Speaker 4: What the garment is not appropriate? All this is derived
Speaker 4: from the oral Torah, so like you can't understand the
Speaker 4: written without the oral.
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying, Like, okay, it's it helped
Speaker 2: me out here when the Torah was written down, that
Speaker 2: was written by Moses after they had left the slavery
Speaker 2: in Egypt.
Speaker 4: Correct, Really, we have a tradition that she wrote the
Speaker 4: tour of the day before he died, okay.
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, So and that's before they even got
Speaker 1: back to the Promised Land because he was not allowed
Speaker 1: to enter. Well he wasn't, but they had retaken the
Speaker 1: land before he died.
Speaker 4: No, correct, so no they did not. The Torah ends
Speaker 4: with the children of Israel right about to cross over
Speaker 4: the Jordan River.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's been a while since I read the ot,
Speaker 1: so forgive me, but okay. So with that being said,
Speaker 1: there were some oral traditions that were understood to be
Speaker 1: before Moses ever started to write things down, And so
Speaker 1: I wonder if these this group of Jewish people adhere
Speaker 1: to the oral Torah up until Moses or all these
Speaker 1: other things come after that.
Speaker 4: So one one of the traditions that we have is
Speaker 4: that when Moses brought down the Ten Commandments and the
Speaker 4: Torah in general from God, he also passed on the
Speaker 4: oral transmission to it. So both of them were hand
Speaker 4: in hand. So it's not that one was written down
Speaker 4: and one came way later. By the time it was
Speaker 4: codified in uh In in Babylonia, it would be they've
Speaker 4: they've literally known this ever since that. So so for example,
Speaker 4: to fill on, I keep going back to these. It's
Speaker 4: a fantastic example is because we know. That says that
Speaker 4: the only reason why we know that it needs to
Speaker 4: be square, that how how it's everything is put together,
Speaker 4: is because we have a tradition, because that's what from
Speaker 4: Moses from outside. I yeah, period. So like there's traditions
Speaker 4: that we had only because of that. So that's one
Speaker 4: of the reasons why we know is that both of
Speaker 4: them were brought down at the exact same time, not
Speaker 4: one first and then the other one later.
Speaker 1: Got you, okay, So yeah, I don't understand it either.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like you would have more of
Speaker 1: a standpoint on this one than I would, because I
Speaker 1: knew there were certain groups that like and it's the
Speaker 1: same with like Christianity, right, there are certain groups that
Speaker 1: acknowledge the New Testament but hate the Apostle Paul, even
Speaker 1: though he wrote most of the New Testament.
Speaker 2: They just like negate everything that he wrote.
Speaker 1: Then there's others that like specifically only talk about like, yes,
Speaker 1: the Gospels of course, but only talk about what.
Speaker 2: Paul wrote because he was like the guy.
Speaker 1: Then there's other groups of Christians that for some reason
Speaker 1: only acknowledge the Old Testament and like a little bit
Speaker 1: of the Gospels. It's there's so many different people that
Speaker 1: have their own versions of it in like which sections
Speaker 1: they find to be more important than the rest.
Speaker 2: And I personally don't understand that. I think the entirety
Speaker 2: of it is needed to get the entire scope.
Speaker 1: But you know, and in the same sense, let me
Speaker 1: ask you, and we've talked about the Kabbala before and
Speaker 1: how that is, you can't even start studying the Kabbala
Speaker 1: until you're forty.
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken. In Hebrew tradition, you shouldn't.
Speaker 4: It shouldn't. But you also need to study a lot beforehand, right,
Speaker 4: You need you need a basis in Torah and profits
Speaker 4: and the writing and the talent with before you even
Speaker 4: get to that. That's like, it's like there's a gamatria, right,
Speaker 4: so we have a tradition that gamatria is need there
Speaker 4: need to be a tradition for it. So for example,
Speaker 4: these people that come up with this red numbers, well,
Speaker 4: forty three equals this, which means.
Speaker 12: This like, that's honestly a bunch of nonsense and bullshit really.
Speaker 4: Because it needs absolutely worth. So first, so here is
Speaker 4: a real world gamacho example. So there is a portion
Speaker 4: in the Torah that basically Moses's name is not mentioned
Speaker 4: one little bit and all the other two in the
Speaker 4: in the Tora obviously before Moses mentioned he's not going
Speaker 4: to be there. But basically, starting from Exodus, where Moses
Speaker 4: has been introduced, until the very end, there's never a
Speaker 4: portion that he is his name is not mentioned except
Speaker 4: for one. And with that being said, so the question
Speaker 4: is why so the following porsha portion is called a
Speaker 4: parsha basically when it was after the Jews had sinned,
Speaker 4: and God told Moses, look how about this, let me
Speaker 4: destroy the people and I'll start over with you. And
Speaker 4: what Moses said is if if you do that, take
Speaker 4: my name, take my name out of the eu Torah.
Speaker 4: And we know that a prophet's where it cannot not
Speaker 4: be abided by. So there so, therefore the previous parsha,
Speaker 4: his name was not there directly in that portion there
Speaker 4: there are various numbers or a number of verses, right,
Speaker 4: so that one was one hundred and one versus, which
Speaker 4: seems random. However, if you take Moses' name, so there's
Speaker 4: a way in Hebrew to write things out in full
Speaker 4: or not so for example, like the letter M for example,
Speaker 4: so mem So even though it's its own letter, just
Speaker 4: being one letter. It can be written out as mem
Speaker 4: mem so sheen also so sheen, yod nun and hey
Speaker 4: hey you and alif were Actually there's like four different
Speaker 4: ways of spelling that, but I digress and either so
Speaker 4: the hidden letters of Moses's name, if you add those up,
Speaker 4: actually equals one hundred and one. So this so this
Speaker 4: is this is this, So this is a this is
Speaker 4: a goa maatria that's actually known about and we've had
Speaker 4: we have a tradition for so this, So this is
Speaker 4: so as opposed to somebody who said, all right, well
Speaker 4: the so T is you know, is the seventeenth letter,
Speaker 4: and H is in the bunch of nonsense bullshites or
Speaker 4: when whenever these people come up with these nonsensical things
Speaker 4: and the gamatria of they have no idea what the
Speaker 4: fuck they're talking about.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you the jamatri or gumatra excuse me,
Speaker 1: the gomatria calculator that you can google search real quick
Speaker 1: and just put in a term a word. Whatever is
Speaker 1: it doing the calculations correctly or is it doing it
Speaker 1: based off of like you said, T is seventeen uh
Speaker 1: you know, uh A is one, and it's just kind
Speaker 1: of adding it up that way, and it's just whatever,
Speaker 1: and it's looking at whatever words also equal the same thing, I.
Speaker 4: Mean correct, So so like I'm not saying that there's
Speaker 4: there might not necessarily be a correlation. However, just like
Speaker 4: the brand I mean.
Speaker 2: Right, no, I agree with you.
Speaker 4: Like, so, as you know, Hebrew also has numerical equivalent,
Speaker 4: So a is one, b is two three, you know
Speaker 4: one bait is to give all three, et cetera. So
Speaker 4: matric calculator, all it does is just adding up the letters. Okay,
Speaker 4: well this this word has the same numerical value as this.
Speaker 4: Does that mean that they're related, as I said, unless
Speaker 4: there is a specific tradition for it. Fine, like so
Speaker 4: for example, maybe offline, I'll tell you these. But there's
Speaker 4: a there was a a book written by I called
Speaker 4: the Bnea Sastar. I don't grow the reason why, but
Speaker 4: that's the name of the book. Anyway, So this guy,
Speaker 4: this guy goes through a lot of goa matria about
Speaker 4: Shabis and like, well this equal seven, and that equal
Speaker 4: seven in kala and and narrow. So like so there
Speaker 4: there are people that had had a kabbala, had a
Speaker 4: tradition for it, but it's not everybody. And that's like
Speaker 4: the cream of the crop, like you need to so
Speaker 4: you need to learn how to read before you know,
Speaker 4: before you start reading like a dictionary, you know. So
Speaker 4: it's it's or I guess a better analogy is like dinner,
Speaker 4: like you need you need to eat your meat potatoes
Speaker 4: before you get to the dessert. Like it's a cream
Speaker 4: of the crop like, but but it's not. It's not
Speaker 4: the whole bulk of it.
Speaker 1: I got you, Yeah, and I mean Jonathan will do that,
Speaker 1: but not just him.
Speaker 2: We've had so many guests that will come on and
Speaker 2: they will break down words.
Speaker 1: But then there's English gomatria Hebrew gomatra which.
Speaker 4: Which is really okay, that's just ridiculous people that try
Speaker 4: to use them English for it.
Speaker 2: It's like, come on, what's the difference between the English
Speaker 2: and the Hebrew. How many letters are in the Hebrew.
Speaker 4: Alphabet twenty two slash twenty seven. There are twenty two
Speaker 4: normal letters. However, there are five letters that if they're
Speaker 4: at the end of the word, they change their form.
Speaker 2: Okay, so hold on.
Speaker 12: English has capital letters in non capital letters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the exact same thing, except twenty two letters don't
Speaker 4: have it, and only and add those twenty two letters.
Speaker 4: If one of those five letters come at the end
Speaker 4: of the word, it looks different. It's a final form. Okay,
Speaker 4: So I imagine like a capital at the very end.
Speaker 1: So then I guess it depends like the first letter
Speaker 1: in the Hebrew alphabet, is it equivalent to the English
Speaker 1: A or is that just something that we have done.
Speaker 1: Whenever you look at the alphabets next to each other.
Speaker 4: The equivalent, I mean they are they look that, they
Speaker 4: do not look anything close to each other.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, I guess that's as I'm saying, do
Speaker 1: that is an equivalent.
Speaker 2: It's like equivalent in what way? Is like a vowel,
Speaker 2: which I mean, I mean the Hebrew leg which he
Speaker 2: doesn't have vowels.
Speaker 4: Right, No, right, I mean not really no.
Speaker 1: So so basically the Hebrew alphabet essentially, and I know
Speaker 1: there's some some leeway on this, some gray area is
Speaker 1: somewhere between twenty two to twenty seven consonants essentially, and
Speaker 1: I know this is not a apples to apples comparison here.
Speaker 4: But essentially yeah, right.
Speaker 1: And then we're trying to attribute numbers to them to
Speaker 1: equal up to something, which I understand, I get it,
Speaker 1: but then the English camatra that makes more sense to me. Right,
Speaker 1: A is one, B is two, C is three, and
Speaker 1: then you do it that way. But then that just
Speaker 1: seems like a bastardization to me personally, or like a
Speaker 1: code like a cipher which and if that's what you're doing,
Speaker 1: and if it's an English cipher code like that, then fine, okay,
Speaker 1: But to say that it's immediately some sort of significance
Speaker 1: because of Gomatria on the English side of.
Speaker 4: Things, I right, right, Because I mean, for example, if
Speaker 4: you want to write a number out in Hebrew, it
Speaker 4: does we do not have the uh what are those called?
Speaker 4: Like like a one, two, three? Before I forget numbers
Speaker 4: like yeah, I mean what are the numbers called. There's
Speaker 4: a specific word for it.
Speaker 12: In other case, it's like so there, so like a
Speaker 12: number looks like a number.
Speaker 4: Right. So However, whenever you have a book that's written
Speaker 4: and there's like it says, you know, page ten, right,
Speaker 4: there's gonna be a you it on top, so there
Speaker 4: there will be letters up top of the page because
Speaker 4: that's how actual heat who works.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like.
Speaker 12: That hard numbers correct, So right, there, it is not.
Speaker 4: It is not separate. So it's not like you have
Speaker 4: you have numbers and you have letters and Hebrew the
Speaker 4: letters can have a numerical equivalent.
Speaker 2: Got you. Yeah, that's right, because I remember that one
Speaker 2: chick was going off on a tangent about the Monster
Speaker 2: can logo and how the uh, the three claw marks
Speaker 2: down the can looks like the Hebrew six number, so.
Speaker 12: That's it's a reach. But technically that's true.
Speaker 4: So if you draw three lines in Hebrew, yes, which
Speaker 4: is the Hebrew letter vove, which has the numerical equivalent
Speaker 4: of six, So yes, that is a thing. But that
Speaker 4: is so far reaching.
Speaker 1: Come on, that was a That was a very far
Speaker 1: reach by that woman. But man, she was Oh she
Speaker 1: was feeling so righteous about that too, and just the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Unleash the beast, it says on the back
Speaker 1: of the can, MILFs love it.
Speaker 2: What a good Christian company? Since when did Monster ever
Speaker 2: claim to be a They're owned by Coca Cola, Like
Speaker 2: the company that they are owned by used to give
Speaker 2: cocaine to people in a bottle? What are we talking
Speaker 2: about here? But like, yeah, that lady was one of
Speaker 2: the most ladies that there's there's ever been. Some might say, you.
Speaker 4: Have some very interesting people and just some there's times
Speaker 4: where I just need to shake my head and you're like,
Speaker 4: I understand kind of like your line of thought, but
Speaker 4: sometimes you're just retarded.
Speaker 2: And I mean, if that's true realistically, if that's true,
Speaker 2: So you're saying that for people to wear the mark
Speaker 2: of the beast on their foreheads or on their hands,
Speaker 2: as as the end time prophecy tells us everybody is
Speaker 2: going to be wearing a monster logo like.
Speaker 1: On a beanie but like the entire world to make
Speaker 1: sales happen, or on their wrists.
Speaker 2: Like I I.
Speaker 1: Feel like that's a bit of a stretch that we
Speaker 1: have monopoly laws in place to keep everybody, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: She yeah, yeah, oh fun times, fun times anyway, all right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I am very happy that you sent me
Speaker 1: the Sanhedrin forty three A that talks about Jesus. Now
Speaker 1: as far as the historical precedents, as far as what
Speaker 1: happened with his death and all these things. Fine, Uh,
Speaker 1: is there any possibility that the written Sanhedron there was Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound insulting, is there any chance
Speaker 1: that the accounts written about were skewed or altered in
Speaker 1: some way.
Speaker 4: I was, I would hesitate to say no, so coming
Speaker 4: coming from coming from an oral flar Jewish perspective, that
Speaker 4: since we believe that the uh Tori chavalpey has some
Speaker 4: status at the very least of uh they're written torah,
Speaker 4: and that I would say not so according according to
Speaker 4: what the talent is.
Speaker 2: So I no, hmm, okay.
Speaker 4: And I knew I'm going to ask somebody else that
Speaker 4: I know about it. Honestly I forgot, I forgot to
Speaker 4: do I forgot to do so before that point. But
Speaker 4: I plan on asking someone who is much more knowledgeable
Speaker 4: than I am.
Speaker 1: And while you're at it, can you please because I
Speaker 1: actually I'm just going to do my own research on
Speaker 1: this one. The talent, it says, and we've talked about
Speaker 1: this before. The talment has a couple of uh really outland.
Speaker 4: I said, I tell you a whole I sent you
Speaker 4: a video from Rabbie Singer about that whole thing general.
Speaker 4: So generally things are taking extremely out of context because
Speaker 4: so you officially have read a page of the Gamara,
Speaker 4: So oh my god, Well, I can't wait for the
Speaker 4: conspiracies about this ship.
Speaker 10: What like.
Speaker 4: But you see this, this is trying to find what
Speaker 4: the Bible is trying to say. Where they're they're quoting scripture,
Speaker 4: they are being extremely precise. So the people that say,
Speaker 4: all right, well you know the Tomorrow talks about this
Speaker 4: and that like, so you saw for yourself how much
Speaker 4: subtext there was. So imagine trying to read what you
Speaker 4: did before except only the bold, not anything else. So
Speaker 4: all it's it's not easy. It is very very complicated,
Speaker 4: and people can try to take it out of context
Speaker 4: to fit their own narrative, for sure. So I believe so.
Speaker 4: And unfortunately, sometimes the worst enemies of Jews are Jews themselves,
Speaker 4: because they know what it's. So for example, there's a
Speaker 4: Jewish law that says, so let's just say you and
Speaker 4: I are having wine together, and if a fly jumps
Speaker 4: into my wine, I am allowed to basically skill a
Speaker 4: little a little bit of my wine, and that's that
Speaker 4: I can. I can continue to drink my wine. However,
Speaker 4: you you, being non Jewish, if you touch my goblet,
Speaker 4: I can no longer drink it. So somebody who knows
Speaker 4: that law and wants to make Jews look bad. Say hey,
Speaker 4: by the way, look you know the Jewish flying you know,
Speaker 4: of a fly flies in it, It just dumps it out.
Speaker 4: But if you, who are a great person and a
Speaker 4: sage and the king or whatever, grab the goblet, you know,
Speaker 4: you can no longer drink it like it just they
Speaker 4: do it to make Jews look bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, no again, I'm sure there's context to that,
Speaker 2: and it's not a boy that touched your cup.
Speaker 1: I don't know just the intent. It might be the intent.
Speaker 1: It very well might be the intent.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It Basically, the the whole thing even about eating with
Speaker 4: someone who's who's not Jewish, is so the Jews don't
Speaker 4: come to idle worship. That's really where I come from,
Speaker 4: because whenever people share drinks together, they get a little
Speaker 4: more loose, and they get more get very very comfortable
Speaker 4: conversons could happen. That's essentially where it came from.
Speaker 1: Interesting, and also it's a it's a pretty widely understood
Speaker 1: pagan practice of passing the cup around and sharing a drink.
Speaker 2: In that way.
Speaker 1: Wow, right, Merlin, I see your hand raised. Chime in, brother, So.
Speaker 10: Is it just non Jewish people who can't drink from
Speaker 10: or can't touch the cup, or is it anybody who
Speaker 10: can't touch the cup?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think even if there there are let's
Speaker 4: just say, if there is a Jew who's not religious
Speaker 4: and and does it, there could be laws against that too,
Speaker 4: But generally that's only when it comes to uh, non
Speaker 4: pasteurize wine. So for example, on most bottles of wine
Speaker 4: or grape juice, it will say pasturizers non pasteurized. If
Speaker 4: it's pasteurized, it doesn't have the same status as a
Speaker 4: non pasteurized does.
Speaker 1: Now that's also interesting for cleanliness issues, for hygiene issues
Speaker 1: which they didn't necessarily know about when the Talmut and
Speaker 1: the tour were written. But even within the Jewish laws
Speaker 1: like washing your hands with flowing water rather than from
Speaker 1: a bowl. So if you're with somebody who is of
Speaker 1: the good, in good standings with the Jewish faith, so
Speaker 1: to speak, they would have washed their hands appropriately, as
Speaker 1: opposed to somebody who is not a good Jew or
Speaker 1: is not a Jewish person, who may not have washed
Speaker 1: their hands properly.
Speaker 2: And maybe that's the intent behind the sharing of the cup.
Speaker 4: I can go with that line of logic. I know
Speaker 4: that's so, that line of logic makes sense. I can't
Speaker 4: answer that question because I don't know, but the logic
Speaker 4: is sound.
Speaker 2: It checks out, Merlin, go ahead, brother.
Speaker 10: Makes sense to me because a fly landing in your
Speaker 10: cup would be one of guy's creations.
Speaker 4: Sure, so it's human.
Speaker 10: But if I'm not of the same faith, then yeah,
Speaker 10: I'm just dirty.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's more, it's more plausible to say that
Speaker 1: somebody who's now the same faith wouldn't have the same
Speaker 1: hygiene standards.
Speaker 4: I wants you to more about ritual purity than anything
Speaker 4: to tir you the truth, because, especially in the times
Speaker 4: of old, ritual purity played a lot more than what
Speaker 4: it does now. Because right now, everybody, all the Jews
Speaker 4: are considered ritually impure. We have we so nobody really
Speaker 4: I think maybe a kid who has not yet reached
Speaker 4: bar Menza. But besides that, like everybody is because we
Speaker 4: don't have the ashes of the red cattle, and the
Speaker 4: and the and the priests to be able to do
Speaker 4: the all all the things to make somebody ritually pure. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so right right now, it's not appathable. We also don't
Speaker 4: have a temple, right right.
Speaker 1: Oh God, speaking of man, we just did an episode
Speaker 1: about that old Abdullah al Sadik, guy who's claiming to
Speaker 1: be the Messiah and the successor to Mohammed and the
Speaker 1: successor to Jesus and all of this. Listening to him speak,
Speaker 1: you could tell that he is a fraud and a
Speaker 1: charlatan and all of these things. Bro the backstory, his
Speaker 1: actual name is.
Speaker 4: It's right, because if.
Speaker 12: You say.
Speaker 4: Means right is an eprou.
Speaker 2: Abdullah uh ship hold on, I just was looking this
Speaker 2: guy up.
Speaker 1: He's basically him and his college buddy have started a
Speaker 1: new age death cult.
Speaker 2: And that's what this is, uh hold on.
Speaker 4: I don't know what what what what odula means, but
Speaker 4: like al sad means basically someone who's righteous, and Hashim
Speaker 4: is the name of God. So it's also very interesting
Speaker 4: that that chosen not as his monk.
Speaker 1: So Abdullah hashem abba al Sadik, that is the name
Speaker 1: that he's going.
Speaker 4: By, So something from God and it being righteous, yes, mad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well he's calling himself the new mad right, which
Speaker 1: is a Muslim term for basically the successor of Mohammad
Speaker 1: and the savior of all the things and the stuff.
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, look, I'm gonna just I'm gonna just
Speaker 2: share the screen.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about this together everybody the Guru website.
Speaker 2: Meet the doomsday cult taking over the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy, this motherfucker who wears the black beanie
Speaker 1: and is saying that this is his version of a
Speaker 1: Yamaka and all of this. So these are two young
Speaker 1: men from Morrisville, Indiana who used to infiltrate colts and
Speaker 1: make documentaries exposing them. Now they run one of the
Speaker 1: largest doomsday cults in the world, and they are the
Speaker 1: quote unquote founders of the.
Speaker 2: Hold On.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Abdullah has shim is what he goes by and
Speaker 1: all of these things. The religion is the hold On.
Speaker 1: Let me find it. It's the New Age religion of
Speaker 1: Peace and Life or something like that. It's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: this guy. He's one of the most human beings that's
Speaker 1: ever been long story short.
Speaker 2: There's a long history of sexual abuse. Oh oh, let
Speaker 2: me not forget that.
Speaker 1: He also believes in a world where human sized rabbits
Speaker 1: live and keep human beings as pets. The Amadi religion
Speaker 1: of peace and Light. That would be the the group.
Speaker 1: It's it's hilarious. These people, his devout followers. There's like
Speaker 1: two hundred of them that live in this compound. This
Speaker 1: big ass house in Manchester that had a picture of
Speaker 1: it a minute ago. Hold on, I think it's actually
Speaker 1: down here somewhere. But anyway, this is him before he
Speaker 1: became a cult leader. That's him with his college homeboy
Speaker 1: who is still his homeboy. And these two run this
Speaker 1: death cult and and it's a.
Speaker 2: Whole whole thing here.
Speaker 1: So of these two hundred followers, this chick says that
Speaker 1: he cured her of a of cancer. This guy over
Speaker 1: here says that he brought his wife back from the dead.
Speaker 2: Uh. This chick here says that she he brought her
Speaker 2: mom back from the dead. This chick is saying that
Speaker 2: cured her infertility. Uh. This chick is saying that he
Speaker 2: turned leaves into living pets, living animals. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's it's fucking insane. I don't even know. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: It didn't David Blaine do that turn leaves into animals.
Speaker 4: I'm just making fun.
Speaker 2: I you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: David Blaine probably did, to be honest with you, but uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy is leading a cult and he is making
Speaker 1: his rounds all over the youtubes and the X and
Speaker 1: the tiktoks.
Speaker 2: Talking about how he is the true Pope.
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, he is the reason why Pope
Speaker 1: Francis died, clearly. And it's like, dude, I can find
Speaker 1: you five people on the internet right now that say
Speaker 1: that they are the reason because they put that intention
Speaker 1: out there and it manifested into It's like, bro, shut
Speaker 1: shut up. He's been fighting pneumonia for like eight months
Speaker 1: and he's older than shit, Like, what are you what
Speaker 1: are you talking about.
Speaker 3: Here, Merlin?
Speaker 2: Yeah, brother one, jd Vance killed the Pope. Jd Vance
Speaker 2: has a higher probability of being the reason why the
Speaker 2: Pope is dead right now than this guy, like for real.
Speaker 10: But now it drives me everybody tries to say this
Speaker 10: guy's the Antichrist. I'm like, one, he's not merely charismatic
Speaker 10: enough to be the Antichrist.
Speaker 2: He's not. He's like autistic.
Speaker 10: Exactly, and that whole Like I watched all the videos
Speaker 10: on him because my son brought it up, and I
Speaker 10: was like, Nah, this dude, he Trump has a higher
Speaker 10: chance of being the Antichrist than this guy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I don't even believe Trump's the Antichrist.
Speaker 1: But if we are gonna put them next to each
Speaker 1: other to see which ones are more likely candidate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Trump is way way up there as compared to Abdullah.
Speaker 10: Right, And I feel like, just to be completely honest
Speaker 10: about myself, I feel like I might be fooled by
Speaker 10: the Antichrist and I would not be fooled by this
Speaker 10: guy one bit at all.
Speaker 4: Like, damn, Like I follow that guy, I'm.
Speaker 10: Probably gonna second guess myself. I'm be like, yeah, it's
Speaker 10: probably not a good idea.
Speaker 1: Well, I hope that you have the discernment to be
Speaker 1: able to tell when that time comes. But to your point, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be somebody who's charismatic that like everyone
Speaker 1: loves this guy is not that or even close to that.
Speaker 1: That article we did a whole episode on it. I
Speaker 1: think it's actually dropping here in a few minutes. He
Speaker 1: has been kicked out of like five countries. He and
Speaker 1: his religion have been kicked out of like five countries
Speaker 1: because the police keep getting reports of allegations of sexual misconduct, rape,
Speaker 1: drug use. Uh, it's it's it's a cult. It's a cult,
Speaker 1: Like there's no two ways about it. And he's not
Speaker 1: even like the most charismatic of cult leaders. He's just
Speaker 1: like the guy that stepped up because the Amadi religion
Speaker 1: of Peace and Light, they have been operating since like
Speaker 1: two thousand and two.
Speaker 2: The guy who.
Speaker 1: Founded them, who was the cult leader, basically dipped out
Speaker 1: in like twenty fifteen, and no one knows where he is.
Speaker 1: And if you've ever seen the uh your boy of
Speaker 1: Doula given his speeches at his podium, he's got that
Speaker 1: white marble bust of a guy in front of him.
Speaker 1: The bust is of that guy like his proto or
Speaker 1: his mentor, I guess you could say. And then this
Speaker 1: cult had like no leader for like two years, and
Speaker 1: then he stepped up and was like it's me.
Speaker 2: I am he, I am the guy, and let's we're
Speaker 2: gonna We're gonna take over the world with this stuff.
Speaker 1: And it's dude evoiden for the Internet, no one would
Speaker 1: know who this guy is.
Speaker 2: That's just the fact of it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and it's like he doesn't know anything
Speaker 1: about any of the religions. He claims he knows just
Speaker 1: enough from the Bible, just enough from the Koran and
Speaker 1: just enough from the Tour and the Talmud to mention
Speaker 1: things with like no context and clearly no idea what
Speaker 1: he's talking about.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like those spiritual people. And I'm not
Speaker 2: just saying the Wou Wou.
Speaker 1: Crowd, but like you know the type I'm talking about
Speaker 1: that No, just enough of Buddhism, Hinduism, and Confucism to
Speaker 1: sound intelligent to someone who has no clue about any
Speaker 1: of those religions. But if you actually have read any
Speaker 1: of the literature on any of those things, then it
Speaker 1: would take you maybe ten seconds to piece them up,
Speaker 1: like realistically, that's this guy.
Speaker 2: It's Abaro, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, cleo, And it's an amazing example of that. Like
Speaker 1: it's or you know, I'm gonna probably upset some people
Speaker 1: with this, Madam Blovotsky if you actually listen to what
Speaker 1: she said and wrote about because she was given this
Speaker 1: information from a Hindu, a guru from the east, and
Speaker 1: all this and all this, and then you compare that
Speaker 1: to what gurus actually say and teach, and then you
Speaker 1: look at the story as how she got the information
Speaker 1: and all these things. And I know she's seen as
Speaker 1: like far Eastern esoteric philosophy.
Speaker 2: She's like the mother of it. If you look at
Speaker 2: Eastern philosophy and you compare that to Blovotsky, it takes
Speaker 2: you under thirty seconds to tell you that this woman
Speaker 2: is full of shit, like start to finish with and
Speaker 2: not even any trying to be impolite here, like no,
Speaker 2: she's it's like saying Alistair Crowley understood the Bible, like no,
Speaker 2: not even a little bit actually, but all right, it's
Speaker 2: uh yeah, you know these cult leader types, they're a
Speaker 2: whole thing.
Speaker 10: Go ahead, brother, Yeah, I feel like some something weird
Speaker 10: is about to pop off, like you got like people
Speaker 10: just itching for something, like with the war in Ukraine,
Speaker 10: people popping off in India and Pakistan. Like I think
Speaker 10: before our time, we're gonna see a massive blow up
Speaker 10: of something.
Speaker 2: Everybody's been saying that we're gearing up for World War
Speaker 2: three since World War Two ended. And I'm not even
Speaker 2: trying to dismiss what you're saying.
Speaker 1: If and I know, it's more likely this year than
Speaker 1: it was last year, and it's more likely last year
Speaker 1: than it was the year before that and ten years
Speaker 1: before that, And like I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: We have multiple warfronts opening up in Africa right now,
Speaker 1: multiple warfronts opening up in Europe. Yeah, in Ukraine, don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, but like Poland is getting ready for
Speaker 1: this too. Uh was a Estonia is getting ready for
Speaker 1: a Russian invasion in Asia. You got China making their
Speaker 1: moves in India and Pakistan and all these. South America
Speaker 1: has multiple situations that are going south very quickly right now.
Speaker 1: I think the only continent that is not involved in
Speaker 1: some sort of conflict globally right now would be Antarctica
Speaker 1: in Australia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by and large, and I.
Speaker 1: Mean, it only takes one thing to push things over
Speaker 1: the edge to where all these alliances that we have,
Speaker 1: all these trade deals that we have, not just America,
Speaker 1: we as in like the Royal weed, the human race, right,
Speaker 1: it takes one extra thing to push things over the line.
Speaker 1: And everybody picks up the phone to make those calls
Speaker 1: to make those alliances more concrete, and then boom, we're
Speaker 1: back into a World War III.
Speaker 2: I just I'm not saying that it's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: I see it as a possibility and in some ways
Speaker 1: of probability.
Speaker 2: I just I don't know what to make of it, man.
Speaker 1: And I feel like if it wasn't for, if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for, and I mean I can't say this across
Speaker 1: the board, but also if you look at the conflicts
Speaker 1: in Africa right now, if it wasn't for Chinese involvement
Speaker 1: in Africa currently, I don't know if there would be
Speaker 1: wars like there are right now, or Russian fighters with
Speaker 1: the conscription fighters of the military contractors. Excuse me, I
Speaker 1: don't know for sure if there would be.
Speaker 2: So much fighting around the Horn of Africa and in
Speaker 2: Sudan right now if it wasn't for Russian contractors.
Speaker 1: They're stirring the pot now. With that being said, America
Speaker 1: has done.
Speaker 2: Our own stirring of pots around the world and we
Speaker 2: still currently are. So I'm not saying like we're the
Speaker 2: only good guys and everybody else's bad guys, nothing like that.
Speaker 2: But I just find it interesting that of all the
Speaker 2: conflicts going on around the world, if China, Russia, and
Speaker 2: Iran would just mine their own business, most of the
Speaker 2: conflicts around the world would cease.
Speaker 10: I find that interesting, Oh, it very much so, is
Speaker 10: like I thought that many at times. Yeah, what's like,
Speaker 10: what's the point of fighting this day and age?
Speaker 4: Really whenever, like we.
Speaker 10: All know what's legitimately going to cost. Like I got
Speaker 10: two sons who are about to like in four years
Speaker 10: be eighteen. Now, if a conflict kicks off in two years,
Speaker 10: I guarantee you at least one of my kids is enlisting.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I hope you or let him go to
Speaker 2: the Space Force. Dude. Yeah, yeah, I'm telling my kids
Speaker 2: straight up.
Speaker 1: If you're going to join, go Air Force or Space Force, Like,
Speaker 1: go somewhere where you'll get some technology training to where
Speaker 1: you'll get a job when you get out.
Speaker 2: I'm so here for it.
Speaker 10: Well, every like all of us have been to armies.
Speaker 2: So woe. No, you were Air Force, weren't you. I was, Yeah,
Speaker 2: take a bag here.
Speaker 4: I definitely I knew what before. I knew how I
Speaker 4: wanted to survive in the military me boys.
Speaker 2: And granted you're gonna get the jokes though the Chair Force.
Speaker 2: But but okay fine, And you also like a human
Speaker 2: being the entire time you were in the military, which
Speaker 2: is incredible.
Speaker 4: Look when I was when I was employed, there were
Speaker 4: people that were intense. I was in like a dorm
Speaker 4: that was air conditioned.
Speaker 2: You son of a bitch.
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, I get it. Though you made your choices,
Speaker 1: we made ours. Just so happens you're smarter than us.
Speaker 1: That's all that is, Merlin.
Speaker 2: You were Army.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I tried.
Speaker 10: But my dad, my grandpa, great grandpa, my actual great
Speaker 10: cut like literally all the last names of my dad's
Speaker 10: side was Army. Great cousin was Alvin York in World.
Speaker 2: War One, the Alvin York.
Speaker 10: Yeah, the Alvin York.
Speaker 2: Really yeah.
Speaker 10: I got to see his uniform and everything.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is incredible. It is.
Speaker 10: It's really cool talk about legends, like all of them, legends.
Speaker 13: Like God of everybody, Like my genera, our generation starting
Speaker 13: award that our sons will have to finish.
Speaker 1: I would hope, and I know that this is not
Speaker 1: going to happen, but I would hope that if a
Speaker 1: war pops off, it will be like desert storm. And
Speaker 1: by the time the politicians even have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: weigh in on the situation, it's already wrapped up.
Speaker 2: Like we took over Iraq and like, what was it
Speaker 2: two weeks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that was because the politicians didn't
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to say, wait a minute, we need
Speaker 1: these types of rules of engagement, you need to do
Speaker 1: this and this, we can't use these types of munitions.
Speaker 1: And but but by the time the policyiticians even got
Speaker 1: together to have their first meeting about it. We were
Speaker 1: handing over the keys of the country, which is a
Speaker 1: correct way. That's how total war should be done.
Speaker 10: This is drivel like what was like five platoons of
Speaker 10: tanks across it.
Speaker 2: Basically it was super fast, super violent, super quick in
Speaker 2: and out. That's how a war should be fought in one.
Speaker 1: Now, I understand that that means that the military industrial
Speaker 1: complex doesn't make the money. If they do it that way, fine,
Speaker 1: I'm good with that. They make their money on so
Speaker 1: many things.
Speaker 2: We don't need a twenty two year long engagement.
Speaker 1: Again, this war in Ukraine, it's been this special military
Speaker 1: operation that was supposed to be two weeks just.
Speaker 2: Made three years.
Speaker 1: That's not benefiting anybody but the military industrial complex. And
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, Poland is buying every single thing
Speaker 1: that the American military groups can produce. As soon as
Speaker 1: we make a new weapon, a new missile, a new plane,
Speaker 1: they already have a down toil payment for thirty so
Speaker 1: like they're making their money, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: they're making their dollar bills. I just I don't want
Speaker 1: America to get involved in something like that, especially if
Speaker 1: it's something that's not our problem.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. I do know that if
Speaker 2: India we just signed a military alliance deal with India
Speaker 2: a few months back.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know the stipulations to that deal with
Speaker 1: Pakistan and India getting involved in this situation right now,
Speaker 1: India is more than capable of handling this, right or
Speaker 1: at least that's what I've been given to believe. Maybe
Speaker 1: Pakistan is like sneakily, a really sizable and you know,
Speaker 1: capable military. It could be, could be if India got
Speaker 1: to a point to where they needed to call in favors,
Speaker 1: we just signed a deal to where we.
Speaker 2: Would have to go to bat for them. Now that
Speaker 2: being said, I'm not particularly mad at that Pakistan. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of the nation are not really fond of us,
Speaker 2: So no love lost. I don't want civilian casualties, of course,
Speaker 2: but like if we could just get in, do what
Speaker 2: needs to be done, and get out, I feel like
Speaker 2: the whole situation could be done in under a moth.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. Hopefully we don't devolve
Speaker 2: into a World War three type of situation.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to war with China, although
Speaker 1: that's looking more and more like an inevitability at this time,
Speaker 1: and they keep That's my other thing too, if they
Speaker 1: were just coming after Taiwan, all right, that's a situation.
Speaker 1: They are going against every one of their neighbors right
Speaker 1: now except for Russia and Mongol Well, no, they have
Speaker 1: occupied sections of Mongolia.
Speaker 2: Excuse me.
Speaker 1: They're going against pretty much every one of their neighbors
Speaker 1: pretty much that they have a border with. And it's
Speaker 1: like they're trying to open up military fronts on like
Speaker 1: five different fronts right now, while trying to continue their
Speaker 1: Belt and Road initiative, while trying to have a data
Speaker 1: in ai war against America, while trying to put the
Speaker 1: economic news around the world even further, while being caught
Speaker 1: in espionage in so many different countries. Like it's they're
Speaker 1: doing way too much, way too fast, because they know
Speaker 1: that their biggest asset is about to be gone in
Speaker 1: the next ten to twenty years.
Speaker 2: They're one asset that makes them worth.
Speaker 1: A fuck in the middle in the world stage is
Speaker 1: their manpower in their workforce. And because of that one
Speaker 1: child policy, they screwed themselves out of their future and
Speaker 1: they're aware of that. So now they're trying to do
Speaker 1: the mostest right now while they have the ability to
Speaker 1: do it, and they are playing themselves so hard, and
Speaker 1: they currently have like five different uprisings in China right
Speaker 1: now because the people are tired of this shit.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I don't want to go to war
Speaker 2: with them.
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, the Chinese people are decent people.
Speaker 1: It's Jijuping in his administration and communism as a whole
Speaker 1: that I have an issue with.
Speaker 2: But anyway, go ahead, brother.
Speaker 10: I don't know. You kind of have to admire their
Speaker 10: tenacity a little bit, like you're in a fist fight,
Speaker 10: Like I always admire my opponent's like will to get
Speaker 10: back up or keep trying. I'm like, dude, you got
Speaker 10: the dog in you.
Speaker 4: You do try it.
Speaker 2: He's he is trying.
Speaker 4: I feel like.
Speaker 10: There has to be like another resolution because either way,
Speaker 10: at the end of the day, we're gonna be at
Speaker 10: war for resources, like whether it be one hundred years,
Speaker 10: two hundred years, regardless, So we all should probably start
Speaker 10: thinking about, especially for them like great great great grandkids,
Speaker 10: like how do you like resolve this shit or start
Speaker 10: mining minerals off a different planet, because.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the Earth takes care of itself.
Speaker 10: It's only got finite shit for the amount of technology
Speaker 10: we're trying to produce.
Speaker 1: I do like how we just struck that deal with
Speaker 1: Ukraine for their rare earth minerals. And yes, I understand
Speaker 1: you're right, it's a finite source. One hundred percent agree.
Speaker 2: With you on that. However, I like how that's shut
Speaker 2: up so many people as far as like we've given
Speaker 2: how much to Ukraine? But but bup, it's like, did
Speaker 2: y'all think this was free? Did you honestly with your
Speaker 2: with your working functioning brain, think that America was giving
Speaker 2: Ukraine all of this money and weapons and all of
Speaker 2: this for free. No, it's always been about the back
Speaker 2: end deal. It's always been about getting paid back later.
Speaker 1: They don't have the money to pass back later, but
Speaker 1: they just so happen to have these minds with rare
Speaker 1: earth minerals that we need that we don't want to
Speaker 1: go through China to get. So I like that America
Speaker 1: just got Zelensky to sign. I think that's excellent. Now,
Speaker 1: if only we can get Putin to come and sign
Speaker 1: a deal, it could all be over. It could be great.
Speaker 2: But no, he's invading yet another territory. Because that's that's
Speaker 2: that's the jam. So I don't know, man, I feel you.
Speaker 1: I I That's the other thing too, if we go
Speaker 1: to Mars, hypothetically, if Elon gets there, I don't know
Speaker 1: of any minerals that are on there. I know they
Speaker 1: have crystallized methanol, and I know they have iron oxide
Speaker 1: all over the planet, and that's why it's red allegedly, right.
Speaker 1: And I know people are gonna say planets aren't real.
Speaker 1: Look fine, fine, you believe what you believe. I'll believe
Speaker 1: what I believe. I'm not here to I'm not here
Speaker 1: to pinch you know the details on this. But that
Speaker 1: being said, I don't know what kind of minerals there
Speaker 1: is in the inner core of Mars. If there is
Speaker 1: a bunch of rare earths or rare quote unquote Mars
Speaker 1: minerals that we could somehow get and ship back to Earth,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm here for that noise. But then we'll
Speaker 1: just have a different style of space race go on,
Speaker 1: and then it will be actual star wars, like we're
Speaker 1: gonna have space pirates trying to shoot down these rockets
Speaker 1: that they can collect the minerals for themselves in space,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Which sounds fun it sounds fun.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, space pirates sounds like a really cool thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean there, I.
Speaker 10: Know you're going like on the negative side, but I
Speaker 10: was like, that sounds awesome to me.
Speaker 1: As I say it out loud, it actually doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like a net negative, does it. Like, so you're telling
Speaker 1: me there's a real possibility to be as a spaceship
Speaker 1: door gunner.
Speaker 10: Why exactly, I could be an X wing fighter.
Speaker 2: There's a greater than zero percent chance that star Wars
Speaker 2: and space piracy can be a real thing. Like, ah, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm having a hard time finding a negative here. To
Speaker 2: be honest with you, prob.
Speaker 1: More funding to the Space Force, obviously, all right, everybody cool.
Speaker 1: We have gone for almost three hours on this evening,
Speaker 1: so yeah, we're gonna go ahead and wrap this one up.
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