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show a man who actually doesn't really even need an introduction,

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but I will be doing so anyway. It's Bill O'Reilly,

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the legendary broadcaster and author nineteen number one books, including

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the Whole Killing Series, which was a best selling non

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fiction series of all time, more than twenty million in print,

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and you can follow his work at Bill O'Reilly dot com,

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as well as his No Spin news on YouTube, The

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First TV and DirecTV. Bill, welcome back to the show.

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How are you good?

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Speaker 2: Dude? It thanks hadding me back? How you bet?

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Speaker 1: H Well, I mean, it's been a it's been a

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last three weeks here since the murder of the woman

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on our train here in Charlotte and then that went

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national with the release of the video, and then of

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course Charlie Kirk's assassination. But it's been it's been tough,

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and I know you've talked about actually both of those,

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Charlie Kirk and Arena Zeruska. And I was watching your

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program the other day and you mentioned the magistrate who

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turned to Carlos Brown loose with with no bail, and

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you said that she enabled evil. And you were talking

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in the context of your latest book now, which is

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called Confronting Evil, Assessing the Worst of the Worst and

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so what so you'll read on it is that she

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enabled evil and that evil walks among us and has

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you know since the beginning, but you believe it's on

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the rise.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the judge's got to go. By the way, I'm

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doing a follow up on No Spin News tonight, access

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off Bill O'Reilly dot com. But it's everywhere she's got

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to go. And the reason is that she had options

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to keep this guy confined. And when you are at it,

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admitted schizophrenic and you beat up your sister and you

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have fourteen arrests. You don't put a man like that

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back on the street. Now, they're playing games in Charlotte.

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The district court is saying, oh, we're investigating and all,

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you know, but they usually do ceya. So I'm going

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to put up an address of the governor of North

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Carolina tonight on my program. I'm going to say, look,

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if you have any desire to promote good in this country,

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you need to contact this governor and tell him he

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has to insert himself into this case because this woman

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riding on the US in Charlotte. We can't have that

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in America. We just can't have it. It wasn't a

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random killing in the sense that it was unpredictable. It

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was very predictable because of who this guy was. He

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was in the criminal justice system. The judge, for whatever reason,

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never explains yourself. Of course lets him out and he

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slaughters the woman. Well, the judge has a responsibility, and

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that's what the governor has to He has to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to hold my breath on that.

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Given John, then he's.

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Speaker 2: Got to pay a political poes. Yeah, you know. I mean, look,

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if the good people of North Carolina feel the way

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that I do and you do, then the next time

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there's an election, you've got to go for the law

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enforcement candidates period.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we're going to see an interesting test

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of that too next year when Roy Cooper, who was

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the Attorney General for four term sixteen years, governor for

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another two terms of eight years, and you know, in

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the summer of fiery but mostly peaceful riots, that Cooper

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went ahead and did this racial justice equity task for stuff,

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and they implemented a lot of this quote soft on

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crime stuff. And so I think we'll see a test

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of it as to whether or not voters will punish

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somebody for the kind of lawlessness that has become far

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too I think acceptable.

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Speaker 2: Well, because that's the big part of the exposing evil

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and confronting it situation. You've got to use your vote.

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And here in New York City where I am, it's insane. Yeah,

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we're just about to elect a mayor that won't enforce

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a lot at all. Yeah, and where do you see

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the bodiespile up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, and he's he go distance.

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Speaker 2: Himself from work. Comes a point where I'm hoping the

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good people out number the bad people in America, and

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in some areas they do, and in some areas they don't.

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Speaker 1: Trimble Is that so we've talked about this before. You

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were also a history teacher right earlier in life, and

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again and that you are a communicator. And the way

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you write your books make me feel smart because I

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can read them very quickly because I'm a very slow reader.

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And so I always appreciate that the way you tell

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the story obviously comes from a communications background and expertise,

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and so the stories that they are approachable, they're captivating,

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it's intriguing, it's fast paced, and you cover all sorts

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of evil people.

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Speaker 3: In this book.

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Speaker 1: And you say that the book tells us how evil

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gains strength, who helps these people? Who stays silent? And

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I mean, you go over some of the baddies in history.

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Were there any that that that didn't make it into

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the book that you had to cut or anything? Or

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was this was this the full? The full?

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Speaker 3: Look?

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Speaker 2: No, we're going to put Paul Pott in their idiom

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mean a whole bunch of people, but every person, all

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fifteen evildoers, they're four on the cover. Prudent. I had

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toolaholmany now and Hitler and then there are eleven in

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the pages in addition to those guys, and they all

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to today. They all link into today, whereas a Paul

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Pott in Cambodia, a horrible, heinous mass murderer, didn't have

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any effect on American life. So that's why I chose

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these guys. And as far as our writing style is concerned,

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we're the most the best selling nonfiction authors in the

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world now. And because I know how busy people are,

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I know it takes a while to get through most books,

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but not mine. You can read my books. They'll keep

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you up at night. And we do that because we

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do it on purpose. We want to arrest your attention,

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get to the point, because we know you don't have

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a lot of discretionary time. I'm talking to you, the

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American people, and so the form has worked very well.

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But the importance of this book is it came out

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last Tuesday, Peter, and then on Wednesday, I wake up

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and put his lobbin drones and missiles into Poland Ultra dangerous,

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ultra dangerous. And then a few hours later, Charlie Kirk

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is assassinated and it's almost like I'm Nostra Damosphere confronting

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evil because evil is on the rise, and if we

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look away, and many of us do, it's going to

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get worse and worse and worse.

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Speaker 1: So what connection. I think you also said this on

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your YouTube show, the No Spin News, that the incendiary

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rhetoric that this helps to fomenter it leads to evil.

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the view, and what I kept thinking of was Rwanda

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Radio and how they're whipping up on their broadcast, whipped

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up a genocide essentially, And I wonder if the last

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decade of that kind of incendiary rhetoric here in America

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also played played a role in the violence that we

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saw against Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: I don't know it was the rhetoric as much as

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social media. Now you can put that under the rhetoric category.

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But the initial investigation of the alleged fashion is that

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he spent a lot of time on the dark pages

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of the Internet. And there is real danger, real danger

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because you have unstable people, some of them mentally ill.

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There's no accountability, it all none, and if you're living

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in there, if that's where you're going for your hobby

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or for your information, whatever it may be, and that

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dark world starts to become your world. Then you start

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to become delusional. And this is what mental illness is. Now.

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Miller's does not excuse evil because the guy knew what

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he was doing. The guy in Utah gets the rifle,

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goes up on a platform and executes mister Kirk. He

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knew exactly what he was doing, but just the fact

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that he would do it shows that he was mentally ill. However,

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he's culpable. He'll never see the light of day again.

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I don't know whether they'll execute him in Utah, but

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I believe they probably will. But even as the case

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plays out, the damage is already done to the Kirk

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family and to the shooter's own family. This shooter destroyed

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his own family. His mother and father and brothers still

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never ever recover from this. And that's what evil does.

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It just spreads out and anybody it touches gets affected

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for a lifetime. And so many people don't understand that.

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They don't want it's too unpleasant to look at it.

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And that's why this book Confronting Evil is so important.

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Speaker 1: People can catch Bill's work Bill O'Reilly dot com. The

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YouTube show also no Spin News And did you say

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no spin news dot com? Is that also your site?

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Speaker 2: No, it's Jilly dot com And then you can track

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down how you can get the nose spin News. We

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getting a lot of younger and worldwide views. It's YouTube

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in fact, I'm going to just record something in about

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an hour about the repercussions of the Kirk assassination that's

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going to change things in America and that the people

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who are the most hateful are going to have to

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go under ground. They just fire a Washington Post reporter,

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personnel all over the place that are acting out in

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hateful ways. And I don't like to see anybody's life

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altered like that. But you've got to stop the hate.

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Speaker 4: We have a stop.

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Speaker 1: There's a police chief in Durham, North Carolina that posted

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about this not too pleasant. It has been shocked. Are

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you surprised how many educators are reacting the way they've

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Speaker 2: No. Yeah, because those educators have been poisoned by ideology.

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nearly as bad as it is now. But eighty two

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far left. They never hear the other side. They don't

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have any respect for the other side. They live in

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a bubble. They tell themselves all as garbage that isn't true.

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you know, you create. You can create your own world

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in America now, and that's very dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Reader's work, Bill O'Reilly dot com. Check out the YouTube

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channel as well. Bill, thank you for your time. As always,

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I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me in. Peter really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Yes, sir, take care. All right, you hear

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I love watching Charlie Kirk. He reminded me so much

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of Rush Limbaugh. He will be truly missed, and that

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videos of Charlie Kirk going to these college campuses and

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having these debates and such, and so more and more

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people are now being exposed to the content that he

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of context by leftists who are giddy that he was assassinated.

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And I'm also told that there is a memorial tonight

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at seven o'clock in Monroe. That's all the information I

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saw about that. And again another please remind people there

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is a walk tonight at seven o'clock Monroe, North Carolina

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for Charlie. You don't know any of the details. The

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first I've heard of it, So if you have details,

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send them along. I'm happy to convey it. But I

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don't know the details of it. What else we know

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more about the murderer. We know more about his roommate

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slash romantic partner, a dude who began identifying as a female,

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and they were apparently in a relationship. This person's name

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is Lance Twigs, twenty two years old, lived with the

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accused assassin in an apartment in Saint George, Utah, about

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four hours from Utah Valley University, where Kirk was murdered.

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Andy No reporting on Twigs's social media history, which most

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of it remains online, went by various names on various accounts,

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but andy No and other Internet salutes have been tracking

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it down. Not going to go over all of the

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different names that this person used, but they changed. He

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changed his preferred display name on the gaming platform Steam,

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which is where you buy games and stuff, and you know,

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there are store like every game has a store page,

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and people write reviews and that sort of stuff. But

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you have a profile on there, and you can change

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your your name, and he apparently did change his name

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in December from Lance to Luna. A search of Reddit,

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another website which is just a cesspool search of Reddit

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for user names connected to his Steam user name history

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revealed a match, with the display name being the same.

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Biographical details also line up with Lance Twigs. That account

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was highly active on one of the subreddit uh channels

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or rooms if you will, for tran, not four chan,

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the frog pepe, the frog meme troll guys, not four chan,

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it's a whole different website, but for tran, which discusses

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transgender stuff. Yes, Twigs on this subreddit posted about his

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anxiety with injecting cross sex hormones, and then said at

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one point in one post Trump winning has motivated me

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to finally fix my life. I won't let the idiot

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CIS fags who want me to be miserable win. I'll

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be independent, fit, happy, and trans and they can't stop me.

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the transgender radicals. Maybe I don't know. We may never know.

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Andy No's report, and this is from his website, No comment,

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ngo comment because that's how he spells his last name,

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ngo no anyway, no comment dot com talking about the

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social media footprint of the roommate of the assassin of

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Charlie Kirk. This guy named Lance Twiggs was raised in

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a devout Mormon family, but said he left the faith.

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He posted on a subreddit ex Christian is the name

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of the subreddit, and he claimed he was expelled from

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his family home after refusing religious spiritual help. Twiggs was

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mentioned in the Utah criminal complaint against the murderer as

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an unnamed roommate who cooperated with investigators after being contacted.

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The shooter allegedly sent his trans partner messages related to

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the shooting. Surveillance video of the suspected gunman near the

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campus shows him appearing to communicate with somebody on his phone.

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Twiggs has not been accused of any crime at this time.

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Axios reports that investigators are examining whether radical leftist groups

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in Utah played a role in the alleged assassination plan.

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One unnamed group had scrubbed its social media after the shooting,

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Like immediately after the shooting, they just like they newked

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their social media accounts. Washington Free Beacon reporting that the

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FBI is investigating social media posts made by at least

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seven different accounts that appear to indicate for knowledge of

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the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and almost all of them

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are non binary trans They follow Lance Twigs, they're friends

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of his on a social media platform of some kind,

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so that continues. They have DNA found on the towel

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that was used to wrap up the gun. That's according

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to FBI director Cash Patel, who told this to Fox

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News this morning. I believe it was that they got

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DNA off of the off of that towel, and they

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also got DNA off of a screwdriver that was at

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the where the gunman had set up on the top

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of the roof. I assume that's that the screwdriver is

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meant to be able to, like, you know, try to

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gain access to a door or something if need be,

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and so they got his DNA off of that as well.

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law enforcement. He's not talking to them, So the investigation continues.

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There was well, let me do this. Rob Henderson is

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a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. He's the author

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of a book called Troubled, a memoir of foster care,

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family and social class, and he has a piece posted

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at The Times dot Com headlined what the death of

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Charlie Kirk means for the American Left. He says, the

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fact that Kirk was killed at a college campus while

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speaking his mind shows how dangerous it's become to share

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your views in public. Kirk's life and his death will

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be felt far beyond his own movement. What will endure

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is Kirk's example, particularly his belief in debate, free speech,

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and challenging prevailing orthodoxies with words rather than violence. As

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Ezra Kline pointed out at The New York Times, Kirk

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did politics the right way. He believed in dialogue, He

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believed in debate. He believed in persuasion rather than coercion.

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But more and more people no longer trust the Enlightenment

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ideal that words can resolve disagreements. Their view goes something

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like this, everything you believe.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I should say his dude, like everything you believe,

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man was like invented by someone. Your ideas the books

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you read, even the words you speak, they were all

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made by people with their own interests. In blind spots,

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the values of speech and open inquiry carry the fingerprints

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of the society. He's the championed them. And so from

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this point of view, they conclude that nobody can give

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an objective account of reality. There is no neutral truth.

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Every political system was designed by somebody with some hidden agenda.

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It is one thing to admit that we're all biased

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but still try to be fair. But it's another to

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give up on truth entirely and simply impose your will

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on others. And this gets to the ideals of the Enlightenment,

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which held that every person has worth. Western nations have

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often fallen short of this ideal, to be sure, but

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we forget how radical it was that this idea took

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hold at all. Beliefs about human dignity have become so

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common that we now take them for granted. This is

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what is meant by American exceptionalism. It's that we were

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the exception, he says. People forget that a piece society

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that allows disagreement about important issues is actually a deviation

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from the historical norm, and it can be lost very quickly,

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and that is what is being chipped away right now.

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And those tearing it down may not like what comes next.

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I would say you will not like what comes next,

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because then it's whoever has the most power will shut

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up everybody else. That's the other way this goes, right,

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the use of force to silence dissent. That's the way

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it has always been. Western society is the outlier in

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this regard that every person has worth. That in America,

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your speech is protected because you are a child of God,

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that you are endowed by the Creator with that inalienable right,

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and you get to participate in your own governance, and

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you don't get to be silenced because you have a

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different opinion.

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Speaker 1: The assassin's veto, the Heckler's veto, these are things that

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Western society that America has rejected. Unfortunately, we have now

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become all too aware that there are a great many

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people that we thought we knew that don't actually share

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that ideal, if they even have paid it any mind whatsoever.

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So when I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's,

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and before he died, my mom and my dad took

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and family. But things are different today because of the

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: The tribute event for Charlie Kirk is in downtown Monroe

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at seven pm, Downtown Munroe. That is the way you

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say that, all right, So let me play this clip here.

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This is Rob Henderson again. He is a senior fellow

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at the Manhattan Institute, author of the book Troubled, a

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memoir of foster care, family and social class, and in

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this piece at the Times dot com, he says violence

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as a response to disagreement is natural, which is precisely

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why it must be repeatedly condemned. A twenty twenty three

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study from psychologist Christopher di Petsko and Nur Katilie uncovered

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something troubling about how Americans see one another. Conservatives tend

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to view liberals as immature, irresponsible, gullible, and irrational like children.

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Liberals in turn, tend to see conservatives as savage, aggressive,

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cold hearted, barbaric. Lit bit of a different take there,

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here's Rob Henderson.

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Speaker 4: People with narcissistic and or psychopathic personality traits are attracted

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to certain ideologies and forms of political activism. They use

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activism as a vehicle to satisfy their own ego focused

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needs instead of actually working towards social justice. And I

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think we're seeing this across the political spectrum that people

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who have vicious personality traits, you know, high on what

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are known as the dark triad or now sometimes people

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will refer to the dark tetrad narcissism, psychopathy, machiavlianism, and

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then if you use the dark tetrad model, there's sadism.

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People who are high on these traits will essentially hijack

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movements for their own twisted ends, and you know, allows

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them to disguise their ugly motives with some you know benevolence,

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some you know moral camouflage, but in fact they're using

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it for to bolster their own sense of admiration, respect, prestige,

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and so on. And this is why you know it's

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a mistake. I think to use the most extreme and

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vicious individuals as representative. Most people are not very high

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on these trades, but the ones who are have a megaphone.

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They enjoy attention, they enjoy courting, controversy, They post a lot,

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they share a lot, They love to hear themselves speak.

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So you know, it's worth being aware of that kind

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of classic one percent role of social media. That one

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percent of people post the majority of the content you

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see online, nine percent will comment or engage with that material,

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post content in some way, and then ninety percent of

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people are mostly just lurkers. Is not really contributing to

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the discussion at all.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm the nine percent because I do, like

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I don't generate a lot of content, but I do

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reply and retweet and such. But note what he said

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there all across the political spectrum because the ideology doesn't

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necessarily matter. This is where you get into the woke

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right stuff and people are like, what does that mean?

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I don't understand. It's the same sort of personality type

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that takes control of particular movements because they have power.

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That's the point. The ideology is secondary. They can learn

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whatever the language is necessary to justify their presence or

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their leadership of a particular movement or idea. That's all secondary.

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The key is that they're fulfilling their own internal psychological

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needs and they will use these movements, they will hijack them.

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And you're seeing it on the right, and you're definitely

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seeing it on the left, and that's why you need

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to call it out when it's on either side. All right,

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that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much

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