WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.150 --> 00:00:02.810 What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:02.910 --> 00:00:06.169 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right 3 00:00:06.209 --> 00:00:12.980 back into the Tova Noel transcript of her meeting with Congress. Question, 4 00:00:13.279 --> 00:00:15.619 would you fill out any kind of log or report 5 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:18.719 for a round or account? Answer, so a count happens 6 00:00:18.739 --> 00:00:22.640 throughout the whole institution, like at those specific times that 7 00:00:22.660 --> 00:00:25.769 I give you. The irregular rounds every 30 minutes in 8 00:00:25.809 --> 00:00:28.730 the SHU is specific to the SHU, not a regular 9 00:00:28.769 --> 00:00:31.649 housing unit. In the shoe, the logs are filled out 10 00:00:31.890 --> 00:00:35.649 for rounds. The count, it's also filled out throughout the 11 00:00:35.670 --> 00:00:39.210 whole institution for a count. Mr. Foy, if I could 12 00:00:39.250 --> 00:00:43.270 have just one word. Ms. Firebrand, sure, we can go 13 00:00:43.310 --> 00:00:47.439 off the record. Back on the record, Ms. Noel, just 14 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:50.060 to clarify, the rounds in the shoe, it's twice an hour, 15 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:53.820 with no more than 40 minutes in between. So, it's 16 00:00:53.899 --> 00:00:58.240 irregular rounds. Question okay. Were you required to fill out 17 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:02.780 a report? for every one of those irregular rounds? Answer, yes. Question, 18 00:01:03.460 --> 00:01:06.819 what did that report look like? Answer, a log sheet. Question, 19 00:01:07.579 --> 00:01:10.640 how long would that take you to complete? Answer, for 20 00:01:10.689 --> 00:01:13.209 the log sheet, I would fill it out before, like 21 00:01:13.269 --> 00:01:16.590 filling it out or in before or sometimes after, depending 22 00:01:16.629 --> 00:01:19.530 on the day, in hopes to make the rounds, not 23 00:01:19.590 --> 00:01:23.209 at the accurate time that it's being filled out. Question, 24 00:01:23.569 --> 00:01:26.349 was that how it was supposed to be done? Answer, no. 25 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:28.900 But that's how I seen them do it. So I 26 00:01:28.939 --> 00:01:32.079 did the same thing. Question. Did someone show you how 27 00:01:32.099 --> 00:01:35.000 to do it that way? Answer. Not specifically showing me. 28 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:38.200 But that's how I observed them doing it. Question. Okay. 29 00:01:38.780 --> 00:01:42.359 And what were you writing down on the round log? Answer. 30 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:46.379 The time. Question. So you would have. She gets cut 31 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:50.739 off by Noel. Like it'd be the tiers. So I 32 00:01:50.780 --> 00:01:53.400 think it'll say like L tier, J tier. And then 33 00:01:53.459 --> 00:01:57.650 it'll have the times. Question. Okay. Answer. and your signature, 34 00:01:57.870 --> 00:02:02.730 your initials. Question, what was the signature supposed to represent? Answer, 35 00:02:02.810 --> 00:02:06.750 who did it? Question, okay. And were you certifying that 36 00:02:06.769 --> 00:02:10.689 the inmates were in their cells? Answer, no. You're certifying 37 00:02:10.710 --> 00:02:14.409 that you made the round. Question, okay. Answer, I think 38 00:02:14.449 --> 00:02:17.389 the count would be that you're certifying that they're in 39 00:02:17.430 --> 00:02:21.370 the cell. Question, okay. Would you ever report whether on 40 00:02:21.389 --> 00:02:27.740 a round or afford institutional count any unusual activity? Answer, no. Question, 41 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:32.520 anything out of the ordinary that would get reported? Answer, no. Question, 42 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:35.939 you would only report for the number of inmates, for 43 00:02:35.979 --> 00:02:38.319 the count, and for the round that they were in 44 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:41.930 fact checked on? Answer, yes. Question, okay. What were the 45 00:02:41.939 --> 00:02:45.870 cell blocks in the shoe? What were the lock systems like? Answer, 46 00:02:46.090 --> 00:02:48.960 regular lock, like you put the key in, you turn it, 47 00:02:49.229 --> 00:02:53.810 and it's locked. Question, so a physical key? Answer, yeah. Question, 48 00:02:53.830 --> 00:02:56.870 would you ever, whether you were conducting a count or around, 49 00:02:57.349 --> 00:03:00.930 would you ever physically unlock the door? Answer, so the 50 00:03:00.949 --> 00:03:03.430 person the keys are, the person that's on the grill, 51 00:03:03.770 --> 00:03:06.210 doesn't have the keys for the cell door. And the 52 00:03:06.229 --> 00:03:09.009 person that's going down range doesn't have the key for 53 00:03:09.060 --> 00:03:13.409 the cell door. Question, okay. Answer, so you can't really, 54 00:03:13.750 --> 00:03:16.719 not that you can't, but you wouldn't have it. Question, 55 00:03:17.020 --> 00:03:19.800 so would the access to lock or unlock the door, 56 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:22.800 the person that was doing the range, wouldn't have the 57 00:03:22.819 --> 00:03:28.090 key with them? Answer, right. Question, okay. Answer, it'd be 58 00:03:28.129 --> 00:03:33.030 the person on the grill. Question, was that standard? Answer, yes. Question, 59 00:03:33.449 --> 00:03:37.770 was that like protocol that was required? Answer, yes. Mr. 60 00:03:37.830 --> 00:03:40.810 Emmer jumps in. Question, and I apologize if I'm going 61 00:03:40.830 --> 00:03:43.569 to make you repeat yourself, but you'd mentioned earlier that 62 00:03:43.610 --> 00:03:49.300 account required to individuals to conduct. Is that right? Answer, yes. Question, 63 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:53.750 was that the same for around? Answer, for around, no. Question, 64 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:56.219 and you had mentioned that Mr. Thomas had told you 65 00:03:56.340 --> 00:03:58.759 earlier in the night in question that he didn't want 66 00:03:58.780 --> 00:04:01.139 to do a count. Did he ever make any comments 67 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:04.699 about not wanting to do rounds as well? Answer, so 68 00:04:04.860 --> 00:04:07.750 let me explain. So with a count, the person is 69 00:04:07.810 --> 00:04:10.550 on the grill. And then one person goes down and counts. 70 00:04:10.969 --> 00:04:13.569 Then you switch places. And the other person goes down 71 00:04:13.610 --> 00:04:16.110 and counts. With a round, you still have two people 72 00:04:16.370 --> 00:04:18.750 because somebody has to open the gate. But the one 73 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:21.560 person can make the round. The one person doesn't have 74 00:04:21.579 --> 00:04:25.009 to go behind. So you still need two people physically 75 00:04:25.069 --> 00:04:27.740 going to the tier, but the round can just be 76 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:31.939 one person. The count, you have to cross count. Question, 77 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.759 what's the gate that you just mentioned? Noelle, every cell 78 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:38.449 block has a gate, the grill. So like to get 79 00:04:38.490 --> 00:04:43.910 in the cell block, you're opening the grill door. Question, okay. Mr. Emmer, 80 00:04:44.209 --> 00:04:47.009 just a general question here. You had mentioned Mr. Thomas 81 00:04:47.550 --> 00:04:50.279 not wanting to conduct the rounds. Was that the first 82 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:52.759 time that it happened during your time working at the SHU, 83 00:04:53.100 --> 00:04:55.860 where an individual said, they don't want to conduct rounds? 84 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:59.459 Miss Noel, no, because I worked the 4 to midnight, 85 00:04:59.699 --> 00:05:02.800 also where my other colleague was tired from working a triple. 86 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.670 He was on the 22nd hour of his shift. God, 87 00:05:06.689 --> 00:05:09.430 that's such bullshit. So if a pilot works extra hours 88 00:05:09.750 --> 00:05:13.949 and crashes the plane, it's not his fault? No, it's 89 00:05:13.990 --> 00:05:18.470 his fault. If you're too tired to work, don't work. Mr. Emmer, 90 00:05:18.490 --> 00:05:24.740 thank you. Mr. Grant, who was your colleague? Ms. Noel, Bonhami. Ms. Noel, 91 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:30.920 his name? Bonhami. Question, so moving forward to August 9th, 2019, 92 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.279 you checked into your shift at 4 p.m. that day. 93 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:37.939 Is that correct? Answer, correct. Question, and what time did 94 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:43.970 you leave the next day? Answer, after 8. Question, a.m. Answer, a.m., correct. Question, 95 00:05:44.310 --> 00:05:46.269 how many rounds did you conduct in the shoe on 96 00:05:46.290 --> 00:05:52.029 your shift on that night? Answer, on the 4 to midnight. Question, yeah. Answer, 97 00:05:52.050 --> 00:05:54.069 I don't have an exact number, but I did a 98 00:05:54.089 --> 00:05:56.649 few rounds. I can tell you, I can't tell you 99 00:05:56.930 --> 00:06:00.839 an exact number. Question, and what about counts? Answer, for 100 00:06:00.860 --> 00:06:06.220 the counts, I counted at 10 improperly. Question, improperly because 101 00:06:06.300 --> 00:06:11.240 Officer Thomas did not want to do it with you? Answer, Bonhomie. Question, Bonhomie, 102 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:14.019 thank you. How many rounds would you say that Mr. 103 00:06:14.100 --> 00:06:18.639 Epstein's cell got the night of August 9th, 2019? Answer, 104 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:20.699 I can't give you an exact number, but if you, 105 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:23.879 like we went to go feed while you're feeding, you're 106 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:27.240 going to each tier. You're conversing with the inmate. You 107 00:06:27.259 --> 00:06:30.819 give out toilet paper. You're going to each cell. You're 108 00:06:30.860 --> 00:06:33.550 conversing with the inmate. So there was a few. I 109 00:06:33.579 --> 00:06:36.389 can't give you an exact number. And that was on 110 00:06:36.430 --> 00:06:38.889 the four to midnight. And Epstein was not there the 111 00:06:38.930 --> 00:06:42.149 entire shift. Epstein would have come up later on that 112 00:06:42.209 --> 00:06:44.889 evening because he was in attorney conference, just to be clear. 113 00:06:45.709 --> 00:06:47.910 So like at 4, when I had come on, he's 114 00:06:47.949 --> 00:06:51.230 not there. Question, do you know what time he came 115 00:06:51.250 --> 00:06:54.920 into his cell? Answer, I want to say after 8. Question, 116 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:57.699 what did that process look like? The moving of the 117 00:06:57.740 --> 00:07:00.600 shoe inmate from one cell, like with his attorneys, to 118 00:07:00.660 --> 00:07:04.379 a shoe cell? Answer, so when Epstein got to the shoe, 119 00:07:04.779 --> 00:07:06.620 he came in the shoe with, his name was Bullock, 120 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:09.420 and he was placed in a shower. He didn't go 121 00:07:09.459 --> 00:07:11.759 directly to his cell, but placed in the shower to 122 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.389 use the phone, not to shower. Question, why was there 123 00:07:15.430 --> 00:07:19.009 a phone in the shower? Answer, because there is only 124 00:07:19.129 --> 00:07:21.250 one jack that works near the shower. So he was 125 00:07:21.290 --> 00:07:24.949 placed there where it was plugged in because the jack 126 00:07:24.990 --> 00:07:28.389 was closest to the shower cell. Question, could inmates make 127 00:07:28.410 --> 00:07:32.310 calls from the shower? Answer, that's where they put the 128 00:07:32.350 --> 00:07:34.569 shoe to make the call because the jack is there. 129 00:07:34.980 --> 00:07:37.639 Question right, could they make calls anytime they wanted to, 130 00:07:37.660 --> 00:07:43.300 to shower? Answer, no. Question, was it regulated? Answer, so 131 00:07:43.339 --> 00:07:45.970 in the shoe? It's specific to, like, a certain time 132 00:07:46.300 --> 00:07:48.199 that you get to use the phone. And I think 133 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:51.720 you're on the disciplinary, you don't get to use it. That's, like, different. 134 00:07:52.180 --> 00:07:56.500 But that day, Bullock allowed Mr. Epstein to use the phone. Question, 135 00:07:56.600 --> 00:08:00.139 and Bullock was the correctional officer? Answer, no. Bullock was 136 00:08:00.189 --> 00:08:06.730 a counselor. Question, okay. Answer, a unit counselor. Question, okay. Mr. Grant, question, 137 00:08:07.110 --> 00:08:09.589 you mentioned that you would converse with inmates when giving 138 00:08:09.610 --> 00:08:12.470 them their food or when giving them toiletries such as 139 00:08:12.509 --> 00:08:15.540 toilet paper. Can you recall what your interactions with Mr. 140 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:18.259 Epstein were when you would interact with him? Did he 141 00:08:18.300 --> 00:08:23.540 seem in good spirits? Did he, you, have conversations? Answer. 142 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:27.379 He was never there for that. Question. He was never 143 00:08:27.420 --> 00:08:30.939 there for that. Okay. Is that unusual that inmates is 144 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:34.759 never there when you're providing food or providing toiletries? Answer. 145 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:38.019 For Mr. Epstein, because he's downstairs with his attorney the 146 00:08:38.070 --> 00:08:40.610 entire time that he's allotted to be with his attorney. 147 00:08:41.090 --> 00:08:44.889 So 90% of the time he's not on the SHU unit. Question, understood, 148 00:08:44.950 --> 00:08:49.629 thank you. Answer, you're welcome. Question, were you aware that Mr. 149 00:08:49.710 --> 00:08:56.100 Epstein attempted to commit suicide in his cell on July 23rd, 2019? Answer, yes. Question, 150 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:59.700 how did you become aware of this incident? Answer, an 151 00:08:59.740 --> 00:09:05.200 inmate told me. Question, do you know which inmate? Answer, Tartaglione. Question, 152 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:10.299 is that Mr. Nicholas Tartaglione? Answer, yeah. So he's the 153 00:09:10.340 --> 00:09:13.379 source of all this information about what happened in that 154 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:15.450 jail cell. Go ahead and believe it if you want. 155 00:09:16.409 --> 00:09:21.669 We're not going to be buying it here. Question, how 156 00:09:21.710 --> 00:09:24.610 soon after the incident happened were you made aware of it? Answer, 157 00:09:24.649 --> 00:09:29.269 the next day. Question, was that your next shift? Answer, yes. Question, 158 00:09:29.549 --> 00:09:34.460 so the inmate told you on your next shift? Answer, correct. Mr. Grant, 159 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:38.120 did anyone else at the MCC inform you of Mr. 160 00:09:38.179 --> 00:09:41.700 Epstein's suicide attempt? The first one, Ms. Noel? Not to 161 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:45.909 my recollection, no. Question, were you involved in any way 162 00:09:45.929 --> 00:09:51.379 of handling of the incident? Answer, of the attempted suicide? Question, yes. Answer, 163 00:09:51.740 --> 00:09:54.919 I wasn't on shift that day. Question, okay. Was there 164 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:57.740 anything that was happening the next day while you were 165 00:09:57.860 --> 00:10:01.480 on shift? Answer, no. Mr. Foy, I need to have 166 00:10:01.500 --> 00:10:05.059 a word real quick with Ms. Noel. Mr. Foy, the 167 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.840 thing I'm trying to clarify, right? You're saying that Jeffrey 168 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:12.710 Epstein attempted to commit suicide on July 23rd, 2019. After 169 00:10:12.750 --> 00:10:15.149 the fact, of course, there were reports to suggest that 170 00:10:15.210 --> 00:10:18.129 maybe he didn't, right? That it was some sort of 171 00:10:18.190 --> 00:10:21.690 way to manipulate his cell situation and different things weather, right? 172 00:10:22.269 --> 00:10:25.289 Tartaglione did something to him. And then, of course, Jeffrey 173 00:10:25.350 --> 00:10:28.470 doesn't remember what happened. So when we're saying he tried 174 00:10:28.509 --> 00:10:31.980 to commit suicide on July 23rd, that's not her saying 175 00:10:32.649 --> 00:10:34.879 that because it's up in the air, whether that was 176 00:10:34.980 --> 00:10:38.820 actually a suicide attempt versus a manipulation on behalf of 177 00:10:38.940 --> 00:10:41.519 Epstein in the case. Or if it was just an 178 00:10:41.570 --> 00:10:45.289 attack by Tartaglione to send a message. It's amazing that 179 00:10:45.330 --> 00:10:49.289 so many people discount that. But it's okay. In about 180 00:10:49.350 --> 00:10:58.389 five years, when I'm proven right again, we'll be here. Question. So, 181 00:10:59.230 --> 00:11:01.029 I just didn't want it to be that she is 182 00:11:01.090 --> 00:11:05.169 somehow confirming that he tried to kill himself on July 23rd. Question. 183 00:11:05.549 --> 00:11:07.789 And we have some questions that will come up that 184 00:11:07.809 --> 00:11:12.950 will help clarify that. Question, as a result of the incident, 185 00:11:13.129 --> 00:11:18.029 were you directed to take specific approaches to Mr. Epstein? Answer, no. Question, 186 00:11:18.470 --> 00:11:22.129 did you have to make any sort of special report? Answer, no. Question, 187 00:11:22.149 --> 00:11:26.029 fill out any log? Answer, no. Question, make note of 188 00:11:26.090 --> 00:11:29.570 any of his behavior? Answer, no. Question, did you have 189 00:11:29.610 --> 00:11:35.830 to speak with any MCC psychologist? Answer, no. Question, would 190 00:11:35.990 --> 00:11:38.889 MCC psychologists come and visit Mr. Epstein while you were 191 00:11:38.950 --> 00:11:43.570 on shift? Answer, no. Question, at no point while you 192 00:11:43.590 --> 00:11:45.590 were working in the shoe, did you see an MCC 193 00:11:45.629 --> 00:11:50.490 psychologist visit Mr. Epstein? Answer, not on my shift. Question, 194 00:11:50.809 --> 00:11:54.730 did you know whether they did? Answer, I don't know. 195 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:57.320 All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. 196 00:11:57.620 --> 00:11:59.659 And in the next episode, dealing with the topic we're 197 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:02.240 going to pick up where we left off. All the 198 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:05.500 information that goes with this episode can be found in 199 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:08.580 the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome to another 200 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:12.269 episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going 201 00:12:12.289 --> 00:12:14.409 to pick up where we left off with the Tova 202 00:12:14.429 --> 00:12:22.559 Noel interview with Congress. Question, we mentioned Mr. Tartaglione. Who 203 00:12:22.580 --> 00:12:25.200 did you understand him to be at the time? Answer, 204 00:12:25.460 --> 00:12:29.740 Tartaglione was Mr. Epstein's prior cellmate. Question, when you say prior, 205 00:12:29.860 --> 00:12:34.789 what time frame are you referring to? Answer, because after 206 00:12:34.830 --> 00:12:37.889 the incident when Mr. Epstein got a different cellmate. Question 207 00:12:37.909 --> 00:12:43.059 in the shoe, correct? Answer, correct. Ms. Fairbent, I'd like 208 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.679 to enter Majority Exhibit 1. This is a New York 209 00:12:45.710 --> 00:12:50.110 Times article titled, quote, Purported Suicide Note is Released, end quote. 210 00:12:50.710 --> 00:12:53.529 The New York Times recently reported that a federal judge 211 00:12:53.570 --> 00:12:57.549 in White Plains, New York, recently released Jeffrey Epstein's purported 212 00:12:57.830 --> 00:13:00.590 suicide note. We'll pass that out and have you take 213 00:13:00.629 --> 00:13:03.360 a look at it just for a minute. So, on 214 00:13:03.389 --> 00:13:05.620 the front, you'll see the New York Times article that 215 00:13:05.659 --> 00:13:09.279 was published on May 6, 2026, and then the photo 216 00:13:09.340 --> 00:13:12.509 of the purported suicide note. I can read how the 217 00:13:12.570 --> 00:13:17.590 New York Times article quoted it. Question. The note reads, quote, 218 00:13:17.809 --> 00:13:21.250 they investigated me for months, found nothing. Two exclamation marks. 219 00:13:21.809 --> 00:13:26.789 So 16-year-old charges resulted. Is it a treat to be 220 00:13:26.850 --> 00:13:29.529 able to choose one's time to say goodbye? What you 221 00:13:29.570 --> 00:13:32.240 want me to do? Bust out crying? No fun? Not 222 00:13:32.250 --> 00:13:35.289 worth it? End quote. Have you ever seen this suicide 223 00:13:35.340 --> 00:13:39.309 note before? How is that a suicide note? He says, 224 00:13:39.370 --> 00:13:40.950 what do you want me to do? Bust out crying? 225 00:13:40.990 --> 00:13:43.830 No fun? Not worth it? I think that could be 226 00:13:43.870 --> 00:13:49.690 taken several different ways. Answer, no, never. Question, do you 227 00:13:49.730 --> 00:13:53.139 know whether this suicide note belongs to Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, 228 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:56.399 I don't know. Question, the New York Times article says 229 00:13:56.419 --> 00:13:59.860 that Mr. Tartaglione said he discovered the suicide note in 230 00:13:59.899 --> 00:14:04.700 July of 2019, after Mr. Epstein's first suicide attempt. Did Mr. 231 00:14:04.740 --> 00:14:08.549 Tartaglione ever speak to you? or any other correctional officer 232 00:14:08.590 --> 00:14:11.350 about the note? Answer. Speak to me about the note? No. 233 00:14:11.610 --> 00:14:15.740 To anyone else? I'm not aware. Question. Were you ever 234 00:14:15.769 --> 00:14:19.940 made aware at the time that a suicide note was discovered? Answer. No. 235 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:23.679 This is my first time seeing it. Question. Okay. Did 236 00:14:23.700 --> 00:14:27.039 you ever witness or hear anything from other correctional officers 237 00:14:27.419 --> 00:14:31.500 about Jeffrey Epstein writing a suicide note? Answer. No. Question. 238 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:35.299 Are you aware that when officers responded to Mr. Epstein, 239 00:14:35.769 --> 00:14:40.690 At 1.27 a.m. on July 23rd, 2019, he was found 240 00:14:40.730 --> 00:14:43.590 to be unresponsive on the floor and with an orange 241 00:14:43.649 --> 00:14:47.470 fabric noose around his neck. Answer, in July, I was 242 00:14:47.509 --> 00:14:51.029 not working, no. Question, okay, are you aware that Mr. 243 00:14:51.110 --> 00:14:53.830 Epstein had told officers he thought he had been attacked 244 00:14:53.870 --> 00:14:57.669 by his cellmate, Mr. Tartaglione, in his cell? Answer, I 245 00:14:57.720 --> 00:15:01.480 learned that after. Question, how soon after? Answer, when it 246 00:15:01.500 --> 00:15:05.970 came out in the paper. Question, okay, Mr. Tartaglione He 247 00:15:06.009 --> 00:15:08.990 denies the accusations and claims that he was the one 248 00:15:09.029 --> 00:15:12.429 who called for help. Were you aware of that? Answer, 249 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.779 only in the paper I saw after. Question, okay. Do 250 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:18.419 you have any reason to believe that Mr. Epstein did 251 00:15:18.500 --> 00:15:24.639 not attempt suicide on July 23rd, 2019? Answer, I don't know. Question, 252 00:15:24.659 --> 00:15:27.129 do you have any further details of what transpired in 253 00:15:27.169 --> 00:15:29.250 the early morning hours of July 23rd, 2019 in Mr. 254 00:15:29.250 --> 00:15:37.110 Epstein and Mr. Tartaglione's cell? Answer, no, I was not working. Question, okay, 255 00:15:37.129 --> 00:15:41.509 thank you. Answer, you're welcome. Question, were you ever paid 256 00:15:41.870 --> 00:15:43.950 not to check on Mr. Epstein's cell the night before 257 00:15:43.990 --> 00:15:47.690 his death? Answer, never. Question, did anyone ever force you 258 00:15:48.070 --> 00:15:52.240 not to check Mr. Epstein's cell? Answer, never. Question, did 259 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:58.659 anyone ever threaten you not to check Mr. Epstein's cell? Answer, never. Question, 260 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:04.690 did anyone ever ask you not to check Mr. Epstein's cell? Answer, never. Question, 261 00:16:04.950 --> 00:16:07.549 do you know whether Mr. Thomas was paid not to 262 00:16:07.590 --> 00:16:11.490 check Mr. Epstein's cell? Answer, I don't know. Question, do 263 00:16:11.509 --> 00:16:14.350 you know whether Mr. Thomas was forced not to check Mr. 264 00:16:14.409 --> 00:16:18.740 Epstein's cell? Answer, I don't know. Question, do you know 265 00:16:18.789 --> 00:16:23.179 whether Mr. Thomas was threatened to not check Mr. Epstein's cell? Answer, 266 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:26.960 I don't know. Question, did anyone ever ask Mr. Thomas 267 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:32.700 to not check Mr. Epstein's cell? Answer, I don't know. Mr. Emmer, 268 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:35.129 thank you. We're coming to the end of the majority's 269 00:16:35.149 --> 00:16:38.350 first hour. We're going to discuss this more specifically during 270 00:16:38.370 --> 00:16:41.110 the upcoming hours, but there's been payments that have been 271 00:16:41.169 --> 00:16:45.889 identified or reported on that have been suspicious. Specifically, there 272 00:16:45.929 --> 00:16:49.490 was a cash deposit of $ 5, 000 from an unknown sender 273 00:16:49.610 --> 00:16:53.950 on July 30th, 2019, just 10 days before Jeffrey Epstein's death. 274 00:16:54.750 --> 00:16:58.110 What was that payment for? Ms. Noel, so you said 275 00:16:58.210 --> 00:17:02.399 unknown sender? Like I deposited my money into my bank account. 276 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:05.779 And that's from my personal savings plan. And no one 277 00:17:05.819 --> 00:17:08.599 has ever approached me or given me money in reference 278 00:17:08.619 --> 00:17:11.640 to Mr. Epstein at all. Mr. Emmer, for the record, 279 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.259 you never, is it your testimony, that you never received 280 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:19.160 money from Jeffrey Epstein or anyone affiliated with Jeffrey Epstein 281 00:17:19.740 --> 00:17:24.680 as it relates to his incarceration at MCC? Ms. Noelle, correct. Question, 282 00:17:25.099 --> 00:17:26.799 I think that'll be the end of our first hour. 283 00:17:27.059 --> 00:17:30.240 We can go off the record. Now they're back on. Question, 284 00:17:30.509 --> 00:17:35.170 good morning, Ms. Noelle. Answer, good morning. Question, my name 285 00:17:35.250 --> 00:17:39.759 is Giancarlo Pellegrini. Oh, nice Irish name, huh? I'll be 286 00:17:39.779 --> 00:17:42.640 doing most of the questioning for the minority today. First, 287 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:44.799 thank you for your time, and thank you for your 288 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:49.619 service to our country. We really appreciate it. Answer, you're welcome. Question, 289 00:17:50.109 --> 00:17:52.910 as you know, today's conversation will focus on your work 290 00:17:53.190 --> 00:17:57.390 at the MCC and circumstances surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's death. I 291 00:17:57.450 --> 00:17:59.269 wanted to start for a moment with a topic that 292 00:17:59.309 --> 00:18:01.359 just came up, at the end of the previous hour, 293 00:18:01.660 --> 00:18:05.559 those cash payments. One of the documents that was released 294 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:10.359 in the DOJ files says that in November of 2019, 295 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:14.390 JPMorgan Chase provided a suspicious activity report to the FBI 296 00:18:14.750 --> 00:18:18.690 regarding 12 cash deposits that you made between April 2018 297 00:18:18.690 --> 00:18:23.390 and July 2019. I know you were just asked a 298 00:18:23.430 --> 00:18:26.819 moment ago, was there any connection between those deposits and 299 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.839 your official duties at MCC? Answer, no. Question, was there 300 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:35.119 any connection, direct or indirect, between those deposits and Jeffrey 301 00:18:35.180 --> 00:18:39.680 Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell in any way? Answer, no. Question, 302 00:18:39.980 --> 00:18:45.750 there was a deposit specifically of $ 5, 000 on July 30th, 2019. 303 00:18:45.750 --> 00:18:49.049 So that's about 11 days before Mr. Epstein died. I 304 00:18:49.089 --> 00:18:52.009 know that's included in what I just asked. But was 305 00:18:52.029 --> 00:18:55.819 there any connection of any kind specifically between the deposit 306 00:18:56.220 --> 00:19:00.650 and your official duties at MCC? Answer, no. Question, was 307 00:19:00.690 --> 00:19:03.759 there any connection of any kind between that deposit and 308 00:19:03.779 --> 00:19:08.880 the death of Jeffrey Epstein? Answer, no. Question, and any connection, 309 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:13.400 direct or indirect, between that deposit and Jeffrey Epstein or 310 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:18.480 Ghislaine Maxwell in any way? Answer, no. Question, okay, thank you. Answer, 311 00:19:18.500 --> 00:19:21.880 you're welcome. Question, we're going to ask some questions. Some 312 00:19:21.900 --> 00:19:24.049 of them are similar to what you were already asked. 313 00:19:24.990 --> 00:19:26.990 We have to try to cross those out so you 314 00:19:27.009 --> 00:19:31.079 don't have to get asked the same thing twice. Answer, okay. Question, 315 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:36.359 we might not always be successful, but we'll do our best. Answer, okay. Question, 316 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:39.140 couple of questions going to the layout in the shoe. 317 00:19:40.019 --> 00:19:42.859 You described there are, I think, six different tiers, is 318 00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:47.140 that right? Answer, correct. Question, and how many cells in 319 00:19:47.180 --> 00:19:51.039 each tier? Answer, that I don't remember. Question, is there 320 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:54.259 a locked door for each tier? You talked about the grill. Answer, 321 00:19:54.339 --> 00:19:59.599 the grill. Question, what's the grill? Answer, it's the so. 322 00:20:00.019 --> 00:20:02.690 It's because it's a grill. Because it's not an actual door. 323 00:20:03.549 --> 00:20:05.890 And that's what allows you to enter the tier. And 324 00:20:05.910 --> 00:20:09.150 that's locked. Question, so there's a physical key to get 325 00:20:09.190 --> 00:20:12.920 into that? Answer, yes. Question, okay. So to get into 326 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:18.099 any of the tiers, one of the CO needs a key. Answer, key, correct. Question, okay. 327 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:20.980 We do have an additional member who has since joined us. 328 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:26.359 If that member could just identify himself. Ro Khanna from 329 00:20:26.380 --> 00:20:31.319 California 17. Question, how many in the shoe specifically, how 330 00:20:31.339 --> 00:20:35.359 many inmates would there typically be in each cell? Answer, 331 00:20:35.460 --> 00:20:38.700 it could be one or two. Question, is there any 332 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:42.759 rhyme or reason? as to whether it's one or two? Answer, 333 00:20:42.859 --> 00:20:45.319 so the shoe doesn't have to be full. If it's full, 334 00:20:45.660 --> 00:20:47.920 then it will be two because the maximum it can 335 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:50.680 hold in one cell is two, but it could be 336 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:54.380 just one. Question, as far as you can recall, would 337 00:20:54.420 --> 00:20:57.420 it be one in every cell? And then once that's done, 338 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:01.829 you start adding cellmates? Answer, no. So like, for example, 339 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:04.849 let's say if on L tier, there is like everybody 340 00:21:04.869 --> 00:21:07.109 paired up and somebody got in trouble from a different 341 00:21:07.230 --> 00:21:10.079 unit and they're coming and they're single. they have to 342 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:12.700 place them in a cell. So they may be alone 343 00:21:12.980 --> 00:21:15.369 until somebody else comes in that has to go to 344 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:18.009 the SHU, or if somebody else got in trouble, then 345 00:21:18.049 --> 00:21:20.789 they could pair them with them. Or if for whatever reason, 346 00:21:21.049 --> 00:21:24.049 that inmate, for whatever their stipulation is, needs to be 347 00:21:24.089 --> 00:21:27.690 with someone, they can move someone from someplace else and 348 00:21:27.730 --> 00:21:30.390 put them with them. So it can be single or double, 349 00:21:30.730 --> 00:21:35.039 depending on what specific inmate is going on. Question, thank you, 350 00:21:35.099 --> 00:21:39.420 that's helpful. The SHU, I think we read, had Two 351 00:21:39.460 --> 00:21:42.819 different entrances, a primary entrance and a secondary entrance. Is 352 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:47.519 that right? Answer, correct. Question, what was the difference between 353 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:50.500 those entrances in terms of who would use them? Answer, 354 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:53.529 so for the outer door, that has to be properly 355 00:21:53.569 --> 00:21:56.569 by control. The inner door, someone on the inside has 356 00:21:56.589 --> 00:21:59.910 to let you in. Question, got it. But is it 357 00:22:00.369 --> 00:22:03.210 right that there were, so I understand, that the way 358 00:22:03.250 --> 00:22:05.359 to get into the shoe where you have to go 359 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:09.529 through two different doors? Answer, correct. Question, Was there a 360 00:22:09.569 --> 00:22:12.170 totally different second way to get into the shoe? A 361 00:22:12.190 --> 00:22:14.849 different entrance of any kind? Was it just the one 362 00:22:14.869 --> 00:22:19.099 you're describing? Answer, the one I'm describing. That's the only 363 00:22:19.150 --> 00:22:22.019 one that I know, the double doors. Question, okay. Can 364 00:22:22.059 --> 00:22:25.039 you describe your recollection of how a typical cell in 365 00:22:25.059 --> 00:22:27.680 the shoe would be laid out? Answer, it's a bunk 366 00:22:27.700 --> 00:22:29.930 bed and the bathroom area, if you want to call it. 367 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:32.680 That's pretty much it. A bunk bed and I think 368 00:22:32.740 --> 00:22:37.109 like a sink, a toilet and a little mirror, I guess. Question, 369 00:22:37.490 --> 00:22:39.509 and you talked about this a little bit. Where did 370 00:22:39.529 --> 00:22:42.849 the CO sit that were on duty in the shoe? Answer, 371 00:22:43.069 --> 00:22:45.630 when you come into the shoe, in the common area 372 00:22:45.690 --> 00:22:48.529 right in the middle. Question, is there like a table 373 00:22:48.789 --> 00:22:52.359 and chairs kind of thing? Answer, it's a desk like 374 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:55.140 an L. Question, from that desk, were you able to 375 00:22:55.180 --> 00:22:58.039 see all cell doors, any cell doors? What could you 376 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:01.460 see in terms of the cells from the desk? Answer, 377 00:23:01.500 --> 00:23:03.880 from the desk, if you're sitting, because the desk is 378 00:23:03.940 --> 00:23:06.240 an L, so if you're on this side, no. If 379 00:23:06.259 --> 00:23:08.140 you're on the front side, then you can see just 380 00:23:08.180 --> 00:23:10.740 the beginning of the L-tier on the right side. So 381 00:23:10.779 --> 00:23:14.279 you can see the door. Question. And from that point 382 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:16.730 at the desk, would you, if you remember, would you 383 00:23:16.769 --> 00:23:19.809 have been able to see Mr. Epstein's cell door? Answer. 384 00:23:19.869 --> 00:23:23.009 From the front of the desk, yes. Question. Would you 385 00:23:23.049 --> 00:23:26.950 have been able to see into his cell? Answer. No. Question. 386 00:23:27.230 --> 00:23:29.269 Would you have been able to see from, I guess, 387 00:23:29.589 --> 00:23:34.980 that spot on the desk, anybody entering or exiting the shoe? Answer. Definitely. Question. Question. 388 00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:38.420 and there was a separate unit that got mentioned called 389 00:23:38.420 --> 00:23:43.799 10 South, correct? Question, what is 10 South? Answer, so 390 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:45.900 on the last tier, you can go up the stairs 391 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:48.549 and go to 10 South. That's a more secure area, 392 00:23:48.849 --> 00:23:50.470 and it's like a wing up there, but it's laid 393 00:23:50.509 --> 00:23:53.609 out differently. It's supposed to be more secure than the SHU, 394 00:23:54.309 --> 00:23:58.890 and SHU is secure. Question, what's the typical difference, or 395 00:23:58.970 --> 00:24:02.140 was the typical difference between inmates in 10 South versus 396 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:05.900 in the SHU? How do you land in 10 South? Answer. 397 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:07.940 How do you land in 10 South? I don't know. 398 00:24:08.299 --> 00:24:10.299 But I do know that in 10 South, you're not 399 00:24:10.339 --> 00:24:12.500 coming out, whereas they get an hour in shoe to 400 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:14.940 come out. You're not coming out. You can't even go 401 00:24:14.980 --> 00:24:17.789