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<v Speaker 1>Since we're feeling emotional, how about justin Wilsham.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm here, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>I will handle all of your emotional needs. Let me

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<v Speaker 3>compensate for your lack of feelings.

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<v Speaker 4>I do like that you bring in a box of

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<v Speaker 4>Kleenex with you every time in case.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, just in case We've taught you don't know, is

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<v Speaker 3>that's just what I walk around Like women carry Stanley cups.

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<v Speaker 2>I carry a box of Kleenex.

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<v Speaker 4>We've talked about the term tiger moms before, right, and

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<v Speaker 4>there's a new study that specifically says that tiger moms

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<v Speaker 4>may have some benefits along with the negatives that everybody

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<v Speaker 4>would kind of assume an overbearing mother might have. So

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<v Speaker 4>this parenting style is it was Actually it came out

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<v Speaker 4>in a book in twenty eleven about the called the

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<v Speaker 4>Hymn of the Tiger Mom, and a tiger mom for

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<v Speaker 4>anybody who doesn't know, is somebody who's very focused on

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<v Speaker 4>their kids academic achievements and being disciplined and obedient. And

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<v Speaker 4>that what they found this was a study that came

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<v Speaker 4>out of China, and they found that parents whose mom,

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<v Speaker 4>how did they put it, were the mother was the

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<v Speaker 4>dominant presence in regards to academic decisions as how they

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<v Speaker 4>said it multiple times in that exact same way, which

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<v Speaker 4>was interesting to me, and that in those cases the

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<v Speaker 4>kids performed better academically and all of that was good,

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<v Speaker 4>except for their emotional state was maybe not so hot,

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<v Speaker 4>like they didn't have emotional intelligence, like almost like what

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<v Speaker 4>I interpreted was that they were becoming robots.

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<v Speaker 3>They were very good at achieving tasks.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess it means I guess the question is

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<v Speaker 1>to what end? I think a lot of people had

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<v Speaker 1>the mother figure be the driver when it came to

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<v Speaker 1>academic success to a point, right, I mean a tiger mom.

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<v Speaker 1>I think about tiger moms is you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>a plus plus students. You know, the GPA is the

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<v Speaker 1>four point six. You also know how to play the

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<v Speaker 1>cello and speak Mandarin. Yeah, like that to me as

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<v Speaker 1>a tiger mom. My family, my mom was both my

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<v Speaker 1>parents were very much into education. My dad was a teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was my mom who was the academic disciplinarian

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<v Speaker 1>of like, you better come home with the honor roll

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<v Speaker 1>or else, you know, you don't get food for a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Not really, but she was definitely the disciplinarian in that regard.

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<v Speaker 3>See, my dad was, but it was also maybe it's

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<v Speaker 3>because my parents were divorced, So my step mom was

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<v Speaker 3>the sweet one and my dad was. Anytime I had

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<v Speaker 3>less than a bee he was. He was all over me,

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<v Speaker 3>like it was micromanaging everything about my life and borderline

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<v Speaker 3>making me miserable.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was worth it for me just.

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<v Speaker 1>To maintain a fun to be a step mom. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you get to be the fun one.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's the thing, Like it's I don't think so,

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<v Speaker 3>because I think there's this like stereotype of like evil

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<v Speaker 3>step mother. But my my stepmom has always been like

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<v Speaker 3>the sweetest person in the world. So the people that

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<v Speaker 3>I've known that have stepped into that role, they find

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<v Speaker 3>it to be more challenging than fun. Yeah, like very rarely, Like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a step mom because you want the.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids to listen to you, but you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be You can't be. You don't have the jurisdiction to

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<v Speaker 1>be the disciplinarian.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet you would, Yeah, you would.

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<v Speaker 3>You would probably wallow in that lack of response, like

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<v Speaker 3>you would find you would walk the fine line between

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<v Speaker 3>between being mom and like.

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<v Speaker 1>In that lack of responsibility you would pretty much in

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<v Speaker 1>a nutshell, and I appreciate I feel seen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's almost the tattooed Yeah, it really is wallowing.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I would love to see. And I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know if it's been around long enough to even

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<v Speaker 4>discuss that, but.

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<v Speaker 3>That what uh, what a.

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<v Speaker 4>Tiger momed kid kid of a tiger mom, how they

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<v Speaker 4>would behave as an adult, how they would Because we've

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<v Speaker 4>said this before, Generationally, we go through different phases of

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<v Speaker 4>what our what our parenting style would be based on

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<v Speaker 4>what our parents were. Sometimes it's sort of an homage

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<v Speaker 4>to the way they did it. Other times it's complete

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<v Speaker 4>distancing from the way that you were raised.

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<v Speaker 3>So a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'd be curious to see what studies would be

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<v Speaker 4>done about these these people.

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<v Speaker 3>The tiger mom concept predates twenty eleven. It just got

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<v Speaker 3>its label, and I would venture a guess that we

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<v Speaker 3>all could agree that it really is going to ultimately

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<v Speaker 3>boil down to the perception of the child, right like

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<v Speaker 3>in my experience, what I've seen his parents who were

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<v Speaker 3>like I thought my parents, like I would say my

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<v Speaker 3>parents are great, like I had a great experience with

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<v Speaker 3>my parents, but when I tell people about my childhood,

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<v Speaker 3>they're like, I think you might have been abused, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that there was some really not cool stuff

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<v Speaker 3>that was going on.

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<v Speaker 4>In that context, though, how aware were you of the

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<v Speaker 4>way other your friends were parented? I mean, was that

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<v Speaker 4>were you conscious about that the differences that I wasn't either.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't they think that the way it's done in

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<v Speaker 1>their house is the way it's done.

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<v Speaker 4>The one friend I had that I knew anything about

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<v Speaker 4>his parenting, how he was parented, was that his parents

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<v Speaker 4>slept in different bedrooms. I mean, that's the only and

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<v Speaker 4>he's the only one. I didn't know if anybody was beaten.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if anybody's parents got a divorce or were,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, had affairs. I didn't know any of that

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<v Speaker 4>stuff except that one guy and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Had one family that would have Domino's pizza every Friday,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was so jealous because my dad was such

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<v Speaker 3>a cheap skate. We hardly ever ate out unless it

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<v Speaker 3>was like your birthday. We're brothers, and so I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>and I would find every excuse to go over to

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<v Speaker 3>their house on Friday if I could, just so I

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<v Speaker 3>can enjoy some pizza.

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<v Speaker 2>And some soda.

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<v Speaker 3>You that's so weird guys at dinners about ready right,

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<v Speaker 3>I show up at five point thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you, guys have conversations or conflicts with your wives

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<v Speaker 1>when you decided to have kids raise kids in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of how you wanted to raise them, Like, did you

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<v Speaker 1>come into the relationship thinking that the way that you

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<v Speaker 1>were raised was the way you wanted to raise your

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<v Speaker 1>kids And was that a difference of opinion with your wives?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, for me, it was big time. My wife doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>believe in consequences. They make her feel bad, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think that they're the best way to teach anyone anything.

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<v Speaker 1>So is that something you came to a compromise with.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, it was a lot of fighting.

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<v Speaker 3>But you talked about it before kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh. I don't know the conversation we had about

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<v Speaker 2>it before kids.

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<v Speaker 3>As I said, the one thing that I think is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be important when we decide to have kids

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<v Speaker 3>is that we can't undermine each other in front of

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<v Speaker 3>the kids. That we have to present a united front

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<v Speaker 3>in front of them. And she wholeheartedly forgot that conversation

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<v Speaker 3>by the time we had children, like it was constant.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there was also this is my own bs,

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<v Speaker 3>I think. But there was also this element of she

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<v Speaker 3>felt like she had to be the stereotypical mom, even

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<v Speaker 3>though I was the one that was home with them

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<v Speaker 3>most of the time, and so she would talk to

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<v Speaker 3>me in ways like you're just a dad, You're babysitting

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<v Speaker 3>the kids, and it would drive me up an effing wall.

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<v Speaker 3>She fell for the sitcom trope of dad's or dominant.

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<v Speaker 3>And then my BS that I was mudding the waters

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<v Speaker 3>and messing it up is that I was sitting there

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<v Speaker 3>thinking like I'm not I'm great at this, like, and

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<v Speaker 3>I will not be treated otherwise, right Like, so it

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<v Speaker 3>just like compounded.

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<v Speaker 1>In nice you you were projecting all of that. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're so focused on being a great dad that

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<v Speaker 1>you were constantly questioning yourself and everything she said you

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<v Speaker 1>read into that, yes or.

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<v Speaker 3>Well what the part that would make me angry was

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<v Speaker 3>when it was so far out of left field. The

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<v Speaker 3>biggest fight we've had in our marriage was about my

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<v Speaker 3>older son getting earaches, and he told her that I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't care.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, well did you.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell your dad about this? This is when I was working

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<v Speaker 3>on the morning show, so I'd go to bed at

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<v Speaker 3>seven o'clock. So at between seven and nine, that's when

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<v Speaker 3>all complaints with management were lodged in her suggestion box

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<v Speaker 3>ears and so she told me the next day. She's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just worried because he said you don't care about

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<v Speaker 3>him oo And I said, and I said, I literally said, bs, no,

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<v Speaker 3>no way, no way. And she's like, well, he's got

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<v Speaker 3>an earache and my niece and my niece had eaches

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<v Speaker 3>and then she became hearing impaired, and so that was

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<v Speaker 3>very sensitive to her. I was insensitive to that. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not what's happening here. And I got mad at

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<v Speaker 3>her because I'm like, you're acting like I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm doing. And I was here all day.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, you were not. I go.

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<v Speaker 3>The kid was running around the pool having fun, like

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<v Speaker 3>wrestle around with his buddies, and then mom comes home and.

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<v Speaker 2>They go, oh, I have above me.

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<v Speaker 3>I need hugs and kisses from mommy. Who doesn't I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted hugs and kids is from RG. She's my wife,

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<v Speaker 3>so everybody wants kisses from.

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<v Speaker 2>Her and hugs and kisses.

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<v Speaker 1>And the way started off with an earache and ended

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<v Speaker 1>with sex. Kiss that he wanted sex before seven wasn't sex.

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<v Speaker 3>I just wanted affection, not to be ridiculed for being,

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<v Speaker 3>in her perspective, a subpar father who didn't care.

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<v Speaker 2>About his son.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Justin uses sex to get love. I know,

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<v Speaker 4>yeast so weird.

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<v Speaker 3>It creeps me out.

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<v Speaker 2>Sex.

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<v Speaker 1>We just kind of came up with an idea about

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry to Gary and maybe all the listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Well Justin came up.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I kind of pitched it. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>it would be my idea. You came in and closed

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<v Speaker 3>it out. We were talking about that like nature videos,

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<v Speaker 3>and you had some takes on a nature video that

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<v Speaker 3>a friend of mine had seen that we're interesting, And

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<v Speaker 3>I said I would be more interested in watching you

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<v Speaker 3>narrate nature videos than say, Snoop doggating.

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<v Speaker 1>A chimpanzee in a rape with a frog. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, how do we know that that was not consensual?

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<v Speaker 4>Some of that stuff needed to be said off the air.

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<v Speaker 4>I could argue all Justin Justin comes in and talks

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<v Speaker 4>about parenting issues with us, and this I think is

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<v Speaker 4>an interesting I was worried because it's interesting, because it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's so much more prevalent now than it would have

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<v Speaker 4>been I think during our correct times.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think because you so, what we're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>is that there was this like I didn't postage it's

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<v Speaker 3>not with us right now. There's this post online where

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<v Speaker 3>a mom was complaining about the fact that she was

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<v Speaker 3>putting together her kid's birthday party and one of her

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<v Speaker 3>kid's closest friends couldn't go to the birthday party because

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<v Speaker 3>they had a game of retball soccer as we call

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<v Speaker 3>it here in the States.

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<v Speaker 2>This was in England, and.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just thought it was interesting because they were

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<v Speaker 3>having this debate within this article about should you prioritize

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<v Speaker 3>your friends over your extracurriculum activities, And my knee jerk

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<v Speaker 3>reaction was like, well, like at first, I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not the extracurricular activity, it's the teammates, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Also have a team that you are accountable to me,

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<v Speaker 1>you're committed.

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<v Speaker 2>To as a parent.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I like my kids being involved in team sports. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it teaches them like an obligation, take.

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<v Speaker 1>Your friend to lunch or have a play date with

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<v Speaker 1>them another day, bring them the gift and the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And you also as a parent of the birthday child,

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<v Speaker 4>have to understand that if your kid has a birthday

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<v Speaker 4>during whatever blank season, right that I mean for our kids,

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<v Speaker 4>when they were both playing Ayso soccer, that meant Saturday

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<v Speaker 4>mornings or early afternoons were off limits for parties in

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<v Speaker 4>the afternoon, five o'clock, seven o'clock whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine.

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<v Speaker 4>You know your kid's not gonna be playing soccer at

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<v Speaker 1>But my birthday was on still is. They have my

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<v Speaker 1>Jack July third. So my mom when she would have

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<v Speaker 1>birthday parties for me, would always do it on like

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<v Speaker 1>July tenth or June.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty fifth or whatever kids.

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<v Speaker 1>In town exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And I there's a part of me that I don't

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<v Speaker 3>understand the idea of the birthday being that important, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean? I was witness sure, maybe you

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<v Speaker 3>know what to your point there is there was some

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<v Speaker 3>moment I do I hate him all the easter bunny Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to just lie. I want to line them

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<v Speaker 3>up and put them on your nature show. I I

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<v Speaker 3>had this moment when I think I was eleven or twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to have my friends over.

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<v Speaker 3>For pizza, and so I asked my dad, I go

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<v Speaker 3>can I have my friends over for pizza for my birthday?

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<v Speaker 2>And my dad goes, oh, is that still a thing

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<v Speaker 2>for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I can't think he thought he was done hosting

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<v Speaker 3>birthday parties.

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<v Speaker 2>You never know that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I don't know, but it was just but I

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<v Speaker 3>think I'm coming at it from that perspective because I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, well, I'm not asking for like a big thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want three of my buddies to come over

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<v Speaker 3>and have some pizza and we're going to play some

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<v Speaker 3>video games. And I was planning to pay for the

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<v Speaker 3>pizza like that was because I had a job and

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<v Speaker 3>so I but I just thought it always stuck to

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<v Speaker 3>it stuck in my head that he was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that's still the thing, like because I remember thinking like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe I shouldn't have birthday parties anymore? And is that

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<v Speaker 3>why birthdays aren't important to me? When is your birthday

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<v Speaker 3>justin January twenty fourth?

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<v Speaker 1>Will you make a note of that somewhere?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we can't do something. She can't even do it.

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<v Speaker 2>She has the idea the question, and know Gary.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a responsible one.

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<v Speaker 1>You do you want to know what the definition of

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility is? I do the ability to respond, oh he is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty much.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you just like pretty much the definition Like you

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<v Speaker 3>just took the conjunction of the words.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary somebody who has a great ability to respond the things.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a very responsible person, except if it's a broken door,

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll bets her off. But if I need something

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<v Speaker 1>to remember or if I want to remember something, he's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the people that is the responsible person. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that when we want to have a pizza

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<v Speaker 1>party for justin January twenty fourth, he'll be the wonder remond.

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<v Speaker 2>Please don't do that. I don't want to know what's happening.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, no, Well we make him pay for it, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>he's going to job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what, I'm bored. I'm bored for that

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<v Speaker 2>bit for my birthday, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Say, you, guys, we're going to tell the story every year.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait. It's gonna be a thing he told

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<v Speaker 2>me on the idea. I'm in. I'm all for it. See.

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<v Speaker 3>I will even put it in my calendar.

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<v Speaker 1>I will risk I will you show you my ability

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<v Speaker 1>to recess just so.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to bring a lunch that day. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why you're putting it in your calendar. I think this

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<v Speaker 2>year it's.

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<v Speaker 3>On a Saturday in twenty twenty six, if I'm not mistaken,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm hoping it's Friday for you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yours would be it's on a fourth. It's on a Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's still a thing for you.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so great.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you justin as always, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Wish I could return the sentiment.

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<v Speaker 3>I really truly wish I could say thank you every

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<v Speaker 3>other week.

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<v Speaker 2>I would be open to say thank you, but.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was just hagging there. It was what the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that you do it day in the week. It

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<v Speaker 3>was only because I had to do a choir show

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<v Speaker 3>for my kids and we did the quest calendar, like

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<v Speaker 3>all right, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a thing for me

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<v Speaker 3>Who was a big boy.
