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Everything's there. Want to welcome everyone back to the Peking

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Yona Show. How are you doing today, Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty well, you know. I I think I

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emphasized and I hope I'm not retreading subject matter that

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already covered. Please tell me if i am. I mean

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the point that there's a significance beyond one of trivial curiosity,

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to the fact that it could very honestly be said

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from about nineteen thirty four onward, when the National Socialist

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Revolution was consolidated, you know, particularly after June nineteen thirty four,

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I mean just consolidated in a most unfortunate way, but

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you know, and as Mussolini really kind of came to

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the four as as a major figure in European political life,

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even before the Spanish Civil War jumped off, there definitely

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was an internationalist movement around these Axis regimes and these

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movements that were adjacent to them. And I don't want

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to get ahead of myself, but I believe, and obviously

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I've got Hegelian sensibilities, there's a parallel between this and

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the Islamic Awakening in nineteen seventy nine, you know, with

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the seize of the Grand Mosque and the Iranian Revolution

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and this emergence of it truly Islamic zeitgeisten praxis that

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people didn't think was possible. Okay. It was born of

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some of the same historical pressures, you know as those

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that ossified, and it gave rise the fascism and send

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these myriad other movements in national socialism and things. And

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the basis of that was, you know, what we could

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think of as a traditionalist praxis with a capitalty. And

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that's one of the reasons why I include a Hidger

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in this camp, okay, because he was really the he

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was He was really the first among this intellectual cadre

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t curate a meaningful revolutionary praxis, or at least try

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to insinuate such a thing into a burgening zeitgeist that had,

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you know, led to various iterations of you know, real

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world politics. And there's evidence to substantiate this beyond you know,

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reading the proverbial indicators of historical events. You know. Marcia

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Eliatti and what we're gonna talk about him at length.

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later in life they were trying to indict him on

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grounds of that. Leo Strauss, who I don't have nice

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things to say about, I do give him respect because

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he came to Eliotti's defense pretty aggressively, you know, when

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they were trying to deport him and what have you.

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They were colleagues in University of Chicago, you know, but Mercia, Eliotti, Heidegger,

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Carl Schmidt, Ernst Junger, Carl Lowith, who wasn't part of

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that intellectual cadre, but he was kind of an intermediate

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think of Strauss's, kind of an intermediary between them and

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Strauss and other kind of Jewish intellectual more neutralist events.

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It's an odd dynamic. Marcusa also reached out to this cadre,

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and it's interesting hydrogram Marcuza had a pretty avid correspondence.

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But these kinds of things were discussed, like the meaning

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of the politics then the German Reich. Again, people make

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a lot of the fact that you know, oh, Julius

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I mean, this is what's positive? Or because the the

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s s, specifically the Sikaristine's investigated them that this suggests

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that somehow, you know, he he was some arch ideological

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opponent of the German Reich and the national fascist regime.

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That's not that's this preposterous. You know. Incidentally, when out

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of Scorsini broke Mussolini out of the Alpine prison he

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to Wolfflare and he sent for Evela, and Evela met

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Adolf Hitler, and Hitler said he wanted to meet Julius Evela,

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like he wanted him there anyway. Zeblla was close as

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Ducha and Hitler were. Duchy's English was pretty good, as

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German was not that good. But I mean, I there

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was any number of of of people who were fluent

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who Hitler would have been comfortable having on deck. Okay,

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he wanted, and there's other Italian fascists intellectuals he sent

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for too. But you know, the especially in the nineteen

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forty three, as things were, you know, the automnat in

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forty three, Hitler wasn't frivolously just like meeting people, okay,

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I mean that that's pretty profound, okay, I mean obviously,

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like he didn't cout out to anybody, and he wasn't

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somebody who was just impressed by office, you know. He

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genuine aristocrat. It's not like he was just starstruck at

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the prospect of meeting the fur or something. You know.

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reservations about the regime. But there results of things about

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it that he considered to be great, you know, and

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they can't be denied. But you know, there's always ah

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and when you're talking about powerful people like men who

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actually wheeled great power and you know, men who with

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great power of intellect, you know, there's there's always there's

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always gonna be clashes of ego and you know, of

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of conceptual disparities that you know, become very personal in things,

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you know. So it's important. Yeah, I mean, the the

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access political culture was a house divided, but not intractably so,

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and I think that's important. But I think I mentioned

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before and again call me if I'm repeating myself. I'm

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not going to get offended or something. I you know, Heidegger.

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Hidger's view of national socialism with was essentially Aristotelian. You know,

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he viewed the West as a having been compromised at

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its core, when the understanding of the experience of being,

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like quite literally intellectual and sensuously present existence receded from

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you know, a media contemplation in both daily life as

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well as and you know, intellectual endeavors. You know. Of course,

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Heidegger and he wasn't the only one view the triumph

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of Playtonism, of which he viewed Christianity to be in

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the vain and in basic subjective terms, viewed being as

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this eternal presence, you know, like only that can only

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be understood and fully experience and access to this dialectical assent,

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you know, and I reviewed Christianity is the zenith of that.

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transcendence towards eternity. You know. That's in Someonody's the conceptual

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opposite of uh, you know, the immediacy of being that

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you know. Heideger positive was you know, the basis of

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you know, kind of Indo European metaphysics, you know, and

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with the death of God, what us should in the

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final withdrawal of being from immediate consciousness in the mind

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of an existence of of Western man was uh, you know,

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the subsummation of all life by technology. Okay, the only

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thing that came to ground man then was man himself.

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world around uh, his own kind of debased ontological aspects,

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you know, which, uh you know what proceeded from that

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was an idea that nothing preceded man, you know, and concomitantly,

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you know, as a real experience of the world and

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engagement with it became obscured, you know, through the lens

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of technological processes, you know, objects encountered within life itself,

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you know, cana basically just represent you know, aspects that

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could be rendered in the service of technology, or aspects

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that you know, at one time held features of the

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natural world or you know, in some way were related

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to this kind of holistic understanding of reality, but you know,

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could only really be experienced and ascertained in in fractured aspects.

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you know, and that's kind of the final stage of

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like ripping man out of a cultural existence, and that

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sort of the final alienation stage of alienation from historical memory.

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So I hire his view, like the only potential for

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Salvation of the West was returning the question of being

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to immediate consciousness of you know, the culture bearing strain,

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which presumably is you know, even European or area, and

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if you prefer strain like still extant within European races.

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But at the same time, you know, reconciling that palagenetic

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understanding of being and that sort of reemergence of cultural

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situatedness and historical situatedness with the reality of high technology.

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You know, Haidiger wasn't some luttite, He wasn't some reaction area,

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and it didn't I mean, he didn't think that was desirable.

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But even but he made the point like, even even

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if people thought that was desirable, it's not. You can't

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like stop knowing things that collectively are known, you know,

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even if you know, even if in his view, like

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the German people weren't faced with this grandest challenge that

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had these you know, most severe of existential implications. You know,

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even if they could kind of like retreat to some

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sort of you know, simple ligrarian life, what they'd be

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doing that in purposely and in dialogue with you know,

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a technological existence, you know, so it would be totally contrived,

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even if it was desirable, you know. So Heidegger's notion

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though too, was that. And this is a problem in

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National Socialism too. Traditionalists, Okay, all of them, even even

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people who you know, we're kind of in I consider

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the same canvas height hero it had very different empasies,

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you know, like Eliati, like Julius Vola, like Carl Schmidt

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to some degree. I mean, Carl Schmidt wasn't really a traditionalist,

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but he had certain syms these in that regard. You know,

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there's limits to political life in terms of party politics.

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National Socialist Party was you know, Doc triningly that you know,

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the greatest of all possible parties. If you can't remedy

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crises of history by like passing the laws, or if

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you can't just develop some sort of social program, you know,

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to to rejuvenate, you know, into European metaphysics, obviously, okay.

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aspect of how people's lives are structured and framed, and

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in conceptual terms it wields a huge significance. Okay, Carl Loeweth,

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though I mentioned I think before I went alive. Loweth

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was a German Jew. He was married to a Japanese

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woman and he taught in Japan. He was a university

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type and uh, obviously after the number of laws were passed,

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you know, as a racial Jew, he wasn't real thrill

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to the prospect of returning to the German Reich. But

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more of a He had the sensibilities of a lot

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of Jewish perlinners, you know, like Paul Gottfried I. And

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the point is that's his heritage. You know. Loweth was

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lot of the coterie. But he and hired at a

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pretty avid correspondence and heideger in nineteen thirty six, and

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of ossifying and peaking as a uh, as a truly

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global movement. You know. In nineteen thirty six, you know,

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he wrote to low with this long letter basically explaining

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the National Socialists, they're the only they're the only political

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faction that's truly situated in a historical capacity and whose

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goals cost to like an essential historical philosophy. You know.

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He said that they're consciously aware of the need for

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a spiritual renewal. You know, He's like, yeah, maybe like

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the bully boys, you know, who won the streets, and

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the communists have no understanding of this, you know, and

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and and maybe your average voter you know who's it's

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workingman or you know, Northern Ryan Land farmer or whatever, like,

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doesn't understand these things. But the you know, what the

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vanguard does, and every aspect of the National Socialist program

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is tailored towards a spiritual renewal and a return to

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this kind of immediate understanding of being within you know,

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their racial consciousness. And in terms of more conventional praxis,

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you know, it was in a Heidiger's view, and I

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agree with this, it was reconciling the social antagonisms that

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were you know, availing Germany, Europe and the Western world

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of communism. You know, the potential of the global communist revolution,

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which have succeeded, would have annihilated what remained of Western dicene,

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the consciousness of you know, that immediate ontology that we're

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talking about, and you know, preclude the generation of any

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cultural productivity or historical situatedness. So this was this was critical. Okay,

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there was a an understanding in Heidiger's mind of existential crisis,

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you know, well before war arrived in a total capacity.

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and uh also they're one of the things the essential

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decision is of the fere prinsip I made this appeal

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to Heidigger two. I mean not just for supervisial reasons

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or kind of cliched reasons of oh, you know, Teutonic

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people's like strong menu give orders, you know. Evlon Eliot.

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the basis of a strong people, but you can't just

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like curate a strong state for its own purposes. And

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that doesn't that doesn't mean some total state, that doesn't

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mean some Leviathan bureaucracy. You know what it means is

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you need a true Caesar, you need a true Muhammad,

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you need a true Cromwell. You know, you need some

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heroic personage. He's capable of acting historically and rendering decisionism

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and sometimes you know, the most severe and frightening capacities.

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choose who the man is, you know. That's why. Uh,

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what's coming out to the point that you know, people

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like Hiller or messianic personages, not in theological terms obviously,

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Speaker 1: What is that tendency? I hear it today people who

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you know, they understand that we have an occupation, that

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we're occupied, but they only want certain people to speak

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for them. If, like, you know, if like Zog was

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being exposed by somebody you know who isn't in their camp,

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they that that person's a gatekeeper, that person's trying to

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you know, they want it to be their guy, or

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they feel like what they feel like they're not they're

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not winning themselves.

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Speaker 2: What is that? Uh? Yeah, I think part of it

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is that they're basically it's just kind of decadent moderns,

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and everything to them is some sort of vicarious EO fulfillment.

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You know, everything's got to be subjectively relatable in some

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kind of simple minded, crude sense or you know, I'm

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always making the point and this was an evil point too.

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You know, Conservatives are our enemies. And one of the

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reasons why the other kind of people. You know, when

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Caesar arrives, they lack like a bunch of Pharisees. You know,

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he's not respectable or or something like or you know,

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they everything's about appearances. Everything's about you know, economics, you know, uh,

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like like national economics, but also kind of the the

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economics of of cast dynamics. You know, they they there

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really is something too. I mean they there. I think

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they're observations. They arrive at these things for the wrong reasons,

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but there's something to it. When when these old Marxists

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or when these uh or when these post Marxists, like

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global systems theory types talk about you know, how how

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bourgeois types are you know, like you know kind of

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John Q and Jane Q public you know, conservative voter

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they really are like culturally impoverished. I mean, I think

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that's true. So I can't fully explain it, but except

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you know, but that they're metaphorical pharisees, you know, like uh,

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you know, Cromwell's the wrong kind of man. Or Mohammed Oh,

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he's he's a he's he's from a family of merchants.

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He's not you know, he's not a king, you know,

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Adolf Hitler, he's he's a ruffian. I think it's someone.

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I think it's that simple in some ways, you know,

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or if.

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Speaker 1: Like if Hamas took down Israel, they'd be pissed off

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about that because it was the brown people who did

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it and it wasn't proper white Europeans who did it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they also they but they themselves, like you know,

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don't even understand uh, their own lower in that regard,

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but they also but there I mean some of that

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too is just like stupid, uh, stupid prejudic you know,

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it's like unexamined uh, unexamined belief structures, you know, like

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these people who think they and as everybody knows, like

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I get a lot of shit for this, which I

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don't give a fuck about. There's like literally nothing to

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care less about. But I get really really irritated by

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by simpletons and uh and mental midges who like think

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they hate Islam when like they couldn't tell you anything

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about the faith. They have no understanding the difference between

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the sex. They have no understanding that, you know, literally

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every race on this planet is represented within Islam. You know,

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they they they don't even understand that, you know, the

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the founders of the Pelatine resistant for Christian not the Islamic.

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But you know they so if there's some if there's

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if there's some like there's some uh, if there's some

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criminally minded like lumping black guy from like Angola who

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gets dropped and the you k or Ireland you know

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by some by some NGO tailored to oversee like ethnic

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claims and European countries, like and that guy does something

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horrible they decided that islamb it's not like some like

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it's not some like debiant third world guy who's criminally minded,

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like somehow it's somehow it's Islam doing that, you know,

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Like I made the point that be like if like

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when the Venezuelan invasion for that everybody Biden was underway.

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They'd be like me insisting that this was like Catholics

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doing something to me, like you know, like I I mean,

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that's another issue, but it's there is a there is

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like a serious provincial ignorance. I think it's all of

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those things, you know, but I uh but uh, you know.

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At the same time, though, I mean, I'm always making

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the point that with this kind of subject matter, you know,

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we're not we're not Hose witnesses, and we're not scientology,

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and we're not we're not a Billy Graham crusade. You know,

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We're not We're not trying to like get normies to

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think right or.

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Speaker 1: It's always about it's always about waking up the normies. Yeah,

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wake up the normies.

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Speaker 2: Man. Yeah. Yeah, that's like that's literally the last thing

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I have any interest in doing. I mean maybe maybe

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if I ran a megachurch or something, or if I

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was like a salesman, I feel differently, but you know,

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there's nothing to do with what I'm what I'm up on.

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But you know, the uh, and to bring it back

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and I'll move us forward from Hidger because I realize

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that we can't spend like endless episodes on this subject matter.

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But you know, the whole in terms of practice, where

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politics intersects with metaphysics and with you know, returning culture

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to a situation of of higher development, you know, as

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the potential for you know, a historical existence and an

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authentic cultural existence recedes as the potential for you know,

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like an immediate kind of ontological understanding of being, you know,

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as the truth of what is truly or what is

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genuinely fundamental kind of like recedes out of you know,

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the collective grasp of a people. In psychological and spiritual terms,

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this leads to inevitable nihilism. Okay, it creates pointless societies

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that kind of passively commit suicide slowly, or you know,

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an active nihilism emerges, which is communism. You know, and

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you have you have megacytal class warfare, and you know, again,

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the entire communist project is essentially the eradication of culture

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and the reduction of people to a state of slavery.

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You know, because slaves can't live historically, you know, they're

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precluded from it because they can't access it historical experience.

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They can't access historical memory any longer, you know. And

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that's that's basically like imposing a billion deaths on it.

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I mean, you're wiping out an entire culture of people,

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like even if physical either descendants are still alive or

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many generations, you know. And I mean, so that's that's

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both like the immediate crisis that you know, higer and

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and his coterie and those adjacent realized that they had

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to remedy. I mean, but this was like the nature

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of the emergency whereby the practice of something like you know,

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national socialism or you know, the the National Fiscist Party

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or or an evel Is view the Iron Guard, which

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again there you know, he viewed as the most perfected

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form of this tendency, you know, born of the crisis,

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uh modality, you know, born of the exstons. But that's uh,

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you know, aside from whatever other differences and you know,

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like ethical or aesthetical or you know, moral differences in

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basic terms existed between you know, the revolutionary right and

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uh conservative elements. You know, the former are the only

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ones acknowledging this or who probably really understood it. I don't.

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I don't think people like the Stalhelm I and uh

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you know, the Christian Democrats understood these things. I mean,

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the obviously perceived that there was some sort of apocal

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crisis afoot. I mean that's obvious. But you know, a

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and even even if people who mean well and I

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don't think conservatives ever really mean well, okay, but even

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even if they did, you know, in absence of a

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cadre that understands these things and understands what is and

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is not possible and in terms of praxis, and it's

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capable of, you know, developing a meaningful conceptual paradigm of

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you know, the historical situation as well as you know,

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the metaphysical basis of you know, the values being defended

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and other things. I mean, with without that, whatever movement

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or partying question is is useless, you know. I mean

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that was a big part of that was a big

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part of Heidegger's partisanship too, you know. And when Hidiger

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stepped away, the people have a misunderstanding too. I mean,

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Hiderger are pretty He disengaged himself from active membership within

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the party pretty quickly after the revolution. And that wasn't accidental,

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and it wasn't because he suddenly decided that, you know,

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national Socialism was grossly offensive to his person, and that

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Hitler was a bad man. It was because mission accomplished.

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In part, you know that the ships are going to

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follow where they may. You know, fate has or the

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historical process or the cunning of reason has ordained this outcome,

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you know, the national Socialists, or they're going to deliver

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Europe to you know, a kind of racial and cultural

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salvation and historical and ontological terms, or they're not, you know,

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like what like a man in a Hiderger situation. First

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of all, most people like a Hidager who are basically

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these guys are introverted, big thinkers. They don't really like

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engaging with politics. You know, I don't like that kind

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of thing. I'm not nearly the man Heidiger is, obviously,

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but the last thing I want to do is fuck

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around with with with party politics, you know. And it

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would have been kind of unbecoming for a guy like

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a Heihager, who I think that I mean, hider didn't have,

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I mean, hid your head ego like all like all

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brilliant men do, but I don't. I don't think his

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was particularly overly cultivated. But because it may, he did.

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He did it with understanding of himself in his role okay,

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in the German intellectual tradition, and and it's kind of

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the the last true Kanine philosopher in in that discrete tradition.

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You know, if he'd been like running around trying to

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insinuate himself you know, into uh, into party affairs and

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becomes some kind of partisan celebrity like that would have

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been very gross, you know, since I mean you can

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tell me that speculative, I don't. I don't think it is.

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I think it's pretty clear. But you know it, uh,

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this process of nihilism, you know this, I reviewed it

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as literally the most the most catastrophic and disastrous development

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probably since the Fall of Rome. You know, it was

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it wasn't it wasn't just a it wasn't just something

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that was the subject matter for you know, kind of

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high falutin disengaged intellectuals to debate about in you know,

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in men's clubs or something. You know, this this was

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a critical existential challenge. You know that that had to

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be met, you know, and even if it couldn't be overcome,

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history demanded that European man, you know, go down while

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meeting the challenge, you know, in a manly and upright

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and forthright way. But you know, moving on to Elba

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and some of these other thinkers. Yeah, I think there's

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a there's a value in published. I can't remember who

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published it initially, I all I wrote a series of essays,

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uh directly it was, you know, directly on the subject

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of national socialism and fascism and various permutations of you know,

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what he viewed as radical traditionalist thought within revolutionary right

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wing practice. This is also in the same period that

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he wrote this uh kind of her feet to the

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Iron Guard, and ten or fifteen years ago it might

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have been Countercurrents. They published, uh, these collected essays in

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this value. You can find uh the free pdf online.

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It was uh, you know, I think it's called fascism

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considered from the right, critique from the right, but uh,

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you know, for context. Evla wrote a lot of stuff

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that was uh critical what he viewed as the over

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overly proletarian character of the fascists, particularly their direct action element.

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And I love Latin people. I'm not saying bad things

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about them, but nobody, nobody does honor feuds like like

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like Latin people and especially the Italians. So like some

466
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of some of U some of Evel's uh takes on Uh.

467
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These uh Squadristi type guys really really raised their ire.

468
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His life was threatened repeatedly, but uh he came very

469
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much under the patronage of a man named Roberto Ferranacci.

470
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:02,960
Fernacci was uh he was the fascist party boss of

471
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uh Cremona, and he he also ran a newspaper ill

472
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:16,599
Regime Facista regime probably a Regima fascista, you know, which

473
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:21,400
obviously was a partisan newspaper. And uh he he brought

474
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,639
Eval on board as uh as the editor of the

475
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:29,400
opinion page. So Evila had through an official party organ

476
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,639
you know, basically carte blanche, to like drop like op

477
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,880
eds on the state of the party, on the you know,

478
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,599
and on the state of the internal situation in Italy,

479
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,440
on the state of again what he viewed as, you know,

480
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:46,679
an an international fascist movement. And uh, I don't want

481
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:50,159
to get ahead of myself, but his corresponds with Eliotti

482
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:57,320
and George Dumizil. We'll get into Durmazil next episode. But

483
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Domizil was he's still he's one of the few traditional anthropologists,

484
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,760
you know, and in the old days before you know,

485
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:13,480
long before the human genome was even you know before

486
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:15,800
for example, then when Abod's conemplation that the even geno

487
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:23,519
could be mapped anthropology and the comparative linguistics and philology,

488
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:30,559
it kind of ran together as a common discipline. Dumazil

489
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is the progenitor or the trifunctional hypothesis of Indo European societies.

490
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You know, those who work, those who fight, those who pray,

491
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:52,880
you know the priestly cast, the warrior cast, and you

492
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:58,480
know the the agrarian cast. And uh. Through comparative linguistics

493
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:06,920
and through endlessly pouring over these recurring symbols and national mythologies,

494
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:13,280
you know of Aryan derived cultures, he developed a conceptual picture,

495
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:20,840
literally of where ancient Aryans emerged, where their cultural footprint

496
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:27,000
was most strongly felt, what cultures were derived from this

497
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:36,639
root founding population based on the trifunctional social organization principle.

498
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:43,679
And again, these kinds of prime symbols in their pantheon

499
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:50,840
of gods and heroes and recurring motifs and things, And fascinatingly,

500
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as the human genome has been mapped, Doumazil was basically correct.

501
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:02,239
And how he mapped these things like literally on the

502
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:17,559
physical map and conceptually okay, But Domazil and Eliotti had

503
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:22,559
a notion and Evila shared in this that one of

504
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:31,239
the things that made fascism an international tendency, a movement

505
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,159
of Zeitgeist, and something that was demonishraive fact that it

506
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:43,039
was something that transcended and superseded ordinary politics. The martyrdom

507
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:49,119
of Ion Moza Invesi Marine in Spain. You know, they

508
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:55,519
were Iron Guard partisans. He died fighting the communists. Domaziel

509
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:59,920
and Eliotti in their correspondence they discussed that this was

510
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:06,360
a this was a blood sacrifice, okay, and the blood

511
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:14,679
of these martyrs has awakened this, you know, dormant tendency

512
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:21,239
towards like heretofore dormant tendency towards pelagenesis, and you know,

513
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:29,920
the racial memory and the ancestral memory with an aerian

514
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,880
drive people's has been awakened by this. To me like

515
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,639
an existential enemy, even though at this time is situated

516
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:46,800
in Spain, you know, represents uh, the traditional enemy from

517
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:53,239
the Orient that you know has always menaced Europe, you know,

518
00:46:53,800 --> 00:47:04,599
and just as uh, just as you know, the the

519
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:09,639
Great Khan had to be resisted as news of the

520
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:19,199
Golden Horde traveled by word of mouth as millions fled

521
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:26,679
in terror. And it's in its stead and wake, you know,

522
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:34,599
a similar awakening was underway. And you know, from the

523
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:45,320
traditionalist perspective, blood sacrifice is always a catalyst for these

524
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,440
sorts of awakenings, you know, which is one of the

525
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,840
reasons why it's universal to human societies, you know, savage

526
00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:01,760
and civilized, you know, Occidental and Oriental. You know, wherever

527
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:05,360
you find man on this planet. You know, for the

528
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,599
most primitive sub Saharan tribe too, you know, the most

529
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:16,320
advanced Western population, you know this, this is a feature

530
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:25,199
that exists within their cultural psychology and their understanding of

531
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:34,239
worship and you know, religious practice, and even if it's

532
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:39,960
cast under different names, and even if it's theological significance

533
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:43,840
is obscured, you know it exists, you know, to the

534
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,519
modern present. You know, in the in the form of

535
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,639
you know, the martyrdom partisans, or in executing a condemned man.

536
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,000
You know, because the blood of the victims cry out

537
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:06,880
to Heaven for justice, and you know, because wrongs can

538
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:13,719
be redeemed, you know, by the by the sacrificial bloodletting

539
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,400
of the condemned. You know, how however you want to

540
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:22,559
characterize these things. You know that was in the in

541
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:27,320
the mind of Doumazel and Eliati and to some degree

542
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:34,360
of evil himself. Uh you know, the the true catalyzing

543
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:41,280
influence of upon you know, the Fascist International. You know

544
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,880
that was for context, I said, the outset, there's a

545
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:52,679
comparative analogy with the Islamic Awakening that the martyrdom of

546
00:49:52,760 --> 00:50:01,320
Iron Motza and Vestillo Marine that was the siege of

547
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,559
the Grand Mosque by Slafi's Okay, is a comparable moment

548
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:13,400
or probably a more a more direct example of martyrdom.

549
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,280
I would say that the martyrdom of Bobby Sands and

550
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:22,400
you know, the the Catholic moment as it was called

551
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:28,480
that uh, I believe very much expedited the the death

552
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:36,320
of the East Block. Okay, that's another example, all right.

553
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:48,360
But you know so I uh, I think it's important

554
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,760
to acknowledge too. I mean, I I agree with these

555
00:50:52,920 --> 00:51:00,400
the musings of the men in question wholeheartedly. But even

556
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,760
if you don't, it's important to understand that agree to

557
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:10,760
which you know this this we're not just talking about

558
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,079
like a prestige to kind of discrete and isolated ad

559
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:23,360
hoc right wing movements that you know, sort of arbitrarily

560
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,480
collided when it was expedient to do so for military

561
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:34,960
or political reasons. You're talking about, uh, you're talking about

562
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,119
a genuine movement, just as much as the Communist International was,

563
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,920
you know, and among other things. I think it's essential

564
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,159
to understand the Second World War. You've got to understand that,

565
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:56,760
you know, because that changes everything, you know, And uh,

566
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:10,440
the actual vanguard of that phenomenon were, you know, people

567
00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:15,840
like Doumoseel, like Marcia Eliati, like Julius Saivlah, like Heideger,

568
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,960
you know, Carl Schmidt, who was also in correspondent with

569
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:22,599
all of these people, although you know, again his his

570
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:28,000
orientation was a bit different, but you know, he he

571
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:41,079
very much accepted these premises, you know, and anybody who

572
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:46,960
accepts those premises, they're acknowledging that what was underway, again

573
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:54,000
was something that was outside of the conceptual parameters of

574
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:59,599
what is viewed as ordinary politics. You know. But I

575
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:07,280
mean that self is a traditionalist and parent the bifurcation

576
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:19,320
of authority, of theology, of social obligation, of metaphysics, you know,

577
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:29,159
that's that's a modern contrivance that owes to you know,

578
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:42,400
a corrupted uh experience of of being, you know, the

579
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:56,400
uh and that's and that's where especially but all the

580
00:53:56,519 --> 00:54:00,440
things are so named. I make a lot of the

581
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:08,639
significance of are the Guillonne as the intellectual father of

582
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:16,679
a lot of these concepts. And one of his one

583
00:54:16,679 --> 00:54:18,719
of the points he came back to again and again

584
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:25,679
in is in his body of work, and that Evilla

585
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:34,400
echoed directly, was that, you know, in a traditional state,

586
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:44,119
you know, there's a holistic and spontaneous unity the human

587
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:53,880
activity and uh acts of worship. You know, obviously some

588
00:54:53,960 --> 00:55:06,480
of these things are familiarly or ethically familiar to you know,

589
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:11,679
anybody on the right. You know, the subordination of the economic,

590
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:21,679
the political. But you know again this uh, I don't

591
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:26,800
think people fully grasp that. In the traditional view, a

592
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,480
healthy state is like a healthy human There's a unified

593
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:41,000
coherence to all of its aspects. You know, there's not

594
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:47,519
this kind of there's not this kind of agonistic pluralism

595
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:56,840
of of of institutional life factions, you know. I mean,

596
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,920
that's that was the that was the critique of parliament

597
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:07,159
to read democracy from the piece of Westphalia until the

598
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:11,599
nineteen thirties, you know, is that it institutionalizes social divisions

599
00:56:12,119 --> 00:56:20,159
as a matter of course, but you know, that kind

600
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:26,760
of thing, that kind of thing shouldn't be possible within

601
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:34,760
a properly educated populous you know. It doesn't mean people

602
00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:41,400
remain mired in a sort of honorable ignorance, you know,

603
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:50,199
like I think in some ways was George Sorell's suggestion.

604
00:56:51,719 --> 00:57:06,880
But these things have when there's metaphysical agreement between worldly

605
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:14,599
human affairs, you know, these attentions just don't emerge. You know.

606
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:19,440
And again to evil is or to Heideger's point, the

607
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,800
German Reich essentially accomplished that. You know. It's not to

608
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,440
say it was some sort of tulluric utopia in terms

609
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:30,320
of relationship between the classes. But it's not as if

610
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:37,440
this was just some sort of speculative musing in order

611
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,639
of when you know, Cruise Shift would say that, you know,

612
00:57:40,679 --> 00:57:44,760
they'll be they'll be true socialism by nineteen eighty, you know,

613
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,559
and we'll well, we will have done away with money

614
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:52,039
and done away with you know, ownership, you know, like

615
00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:57,639
the state itself won't even exist, you know. I one

616
00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:06,320
of the reasons people find these uh, these images and

617
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:12,920
these films from uh, the Third Reich in in the

618
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:15,760
in the pre war years. When there's the found some compelling,

619
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,039
it's not because a spectacle. I mean, there's I can

620
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:23,639
show you spectacle all day from you know, Stalinist countries.

621
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:28,039
I can uh, I can sell you spectacles from places

622
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:30,960
like Turkmenistan. Today you're like, you know, the North Korean

623
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:37,559
mass Games. There's something evocative and stirring the people about

624
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:43,880
the Third Reich for the reasons just elucidated, and I

625
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:52,599
think anybody's paying attention realizes that, Yeah, we'll end to

626
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:55,159
here because we're coming up on about an hour and

627
00:58:55,519 --> 00:59:01,000
I want to I'll wrap up this little sub sub

628
00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:04,440
series next time. I just thought it was important to

629
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,480
take up you know, and I know that the I

630
00:59:07,519 --> 00:59:10,719
know that the subs want to do them. I want

631
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,679
to do dive into the subject matter or.

632
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: That you know, Well, you were talking about the the

633
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:22,920
reaction to the right prior to the war. You know,

634
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,440
much of that was purely on aesthetic terms, but also

635
00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:30,079
it has to go beyond aesthetics. I think that's probably

636
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:34,440
what scares people. People have been trained to be scared

637
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:40,119
of that because instinctively they look at that and they're like, yeah,

638
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:41,079
I wish we had that.

639
00:59:41,719 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, And so it conflicts with you know,

640
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,719
the state related of anti fascism. So it causes this

641
00:59:48,679 --> 00:59:53,400
and it causes this, uh, cognitive dissonance that also has

642
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:59,199
like moral implications because you know, people people in a marriage,

643
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,840
going to a real world education. You know, there's just

644
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:07,599
this kind of confused pastiche of kind of conditioned responses

645
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:14,719
and and and arbitrary assignations of of you know, evil

646
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:19,519
the things or you know, the so they it leads

647
01:00:19,559 --> 01:00:27,400
to really really confused responses from you know, people who

648
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:33,119
aren't really thoughtful or self aware. Yeah, definitely, all right,

649
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:36,639
tell people where they can find you. Well, I were

650
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:39,360
you joined social media recently? I we'll see how long

651
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:44,519
that lasts. But I did that because I'm not trying

652
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:49,519
to I'm not trying to stroke myself. But people said

653
01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:51,480
they really wanted me to be on social media. So

654
01:00:52,679 --> 01:00:57,920
despite my aversion, I set up a Twitter account. It's

655
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:04,840
at Thomas Seer seven seven seven. It's it's Thomas T

656
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:08,280
h O M A s c y R, which is

657
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:14,079
my government name, seven seven seven. The best place to

658
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:17,280
hit me up is on substick because that's where my

659
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:25,000
pod is and all kinds of other good stuff. It's

660
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:29,920
uh real Thomas seven seven seven dot substick dot com

661
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:39,440
and my website's are one stop kind of location for

662
01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:46,440
my content. It's uh Thomas seven seven seven dot com.

663
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:51,480
It's number seven h seven seven seven dot com. That's

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all I have for now.

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Speaker 1: All right, so the next time, thank you Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you SA