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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Welcome back to your Wednesday episode of the Nonprofits.

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Governor Greg Abbott had recently called for a special

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<v Speaker 1>congressional session to address some bills that he had recently

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<v Speaker 1>vetoed during the regular session. That special session was interrupted

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<v Speaker 1>by the deaths of, as of July fifteenth, one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty or more Texas citizens. This affected Texas lawmakers

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<v Speaker 1>so deeply that the focus of the special session shifted

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<v Speaker 1>to flood relief, and the lawmaker spent the entire first

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<v Speaker 1>day addressing exactly zero pieces of legislation related to flood

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<v Speaker 1>relief and instead focused on issues like laws concerning public

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<v Speaker 1>bathrooms to protect their citizens not from real threats, but

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<v Speaker 1>from men and women who may or may not have

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<v Speaker 1>the presupposed Genitalia. House Bill thirty two was introduced by

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<v Speaker 1>Representative Valerie Swanson as the Texas Women's Privacy Act, and

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<v Speaker 1>would require transgender people to the bathroom associated with their

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<v Speaker 1>sex assigned at birth, rather than their gender identity in

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<v Speaker 1>sex segregated public spaces. It's unclear how Texas lawmakers intend

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<v Speaker 1>to both enforce this law and protect women's privacy at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. The story is from NBC News by

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<v Speaker 1>Brooke Sipelsa on July fifteenth, twenty twenty five. So, gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 1>there's really no shortage of perspectives to take on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think between the three.

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<v Speaker 1>Of us, like, each of us is pretty well aligned

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<v Speaker 1>but slightly different. So while none of us have lived

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<v Speaker 1>a trans person's experience, Jonathan, you've definitely dealt with some

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<v Speaker 1>of the harassment, biggest bigotry and marginalization and dehumanization in

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<v Speaker 1>your life that trans people are going through today, end

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<v Speaker 1>mass So where are you kind of sitting, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>reading this.

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<v Speaker 3>Sort of angry but bigotry and prejudice and used to

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<v Speaker 3>justify government oppression of already stigmatized citizens has nothing to

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<v Speaker 3>do with the country I was raised in, at least

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<v Speaker 3>after Stonewall and the follow on riots, not to mention

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<v Speaker 3>the civil rights movement that happened before that. This is

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<v Speaker 3>a homophobes dream, you know. We can we with the

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<v Speaker 3>current court system, we can go ahead and do whatever

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<v Speaker 3>we want to anybody we don't like or we think

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<v Speaker 3>is icky, and nobody's going to stop us. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>beyond disgust. I'm beyond anger anymore. You know, when I

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<v Speaker 3>was growing up, you could joke about gays and call

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<v Speaker 3>each other names as an insult, beat up, or kill

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<v Speaker 3>with impunity. Actually in some cases, you know, the defense

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<v Speaker 3>being but I was so freaked out when I found

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<v Speaker 3>out in bed that she was a he and killed

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<v Speaker 3>in perfectly legitimate defense for murder at the time, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>And I could be wrong on that. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if anybody got got off on that necessarily. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have any examples, but when I was growing up, that

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<v Speaker 3>seemed to be what everybody felt was Okay, I hate

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<v Speaker 3>the gay defense. Actually Dan White did get away with

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<v Speaker 3>it with the but it wasn't that defense. It was

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<v Speaker 3>a twinkie defense. So anyway, that's a whole nother thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in San Francisco for that particular milestone and

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<v Speaker 3>gay gay history. The death of somebody is a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit serious, but at that time it wasn't. It was

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<v Speaker 3>just like Strange Fruit, the song that was by Lady

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<v Speaker 3>Sings the Blues, and I can't remember her name now,

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<v Speaker 3>I just slipped my tongue, but was about lynchings in

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<v Speaker 3>the South that were prevalent up until and through the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifties and into the early sixties. I have no

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<v Speaker 3>more I just don't have any disgusted and disdain. The

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<v Speaker 3>limit has been reached, it's maxed out. These are awful

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<v Speaker 3>human beings. They're completely back in the seventeen hundreds. They're

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<v Speaker 3>pensiant for doing the very worst they can to people

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<v Speaker 3>that aren't even that a problem in their society, who

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<v Speaker 3>just want to live their lives. They don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>do any of the made up shit that they say

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<v Speaker 3>we do. You know, like there are almost none no

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<v Speaker 3>child abuse or child molestation trans people who are charged

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<v Speaker 3>with that and convicted of that, almost none. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>who was the ones that were charged with it? Your priests,

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<v Speaker 3>your ministers, your youth pastors, and your uncle's and aunts

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<v Speaker 3>and members of your own family. That's the ninety nine

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<v Speaker 3>point nine percent of the people who will do those

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<v Speaker 3>kind of crimes. Yet they make them about keep other people. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>every accusation is a confession, and when it comes to conservatives.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm just I'm really sick of having to deal

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<v Speaker 3>with it or hear about these people, and because they

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<v Speaker 3>are just evil. If you think you're righteous or not,

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<v Speaker 3>you're evil. Get over yourselves anyway, I'm ranting. I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to stop, That's.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, now I wanted to give you your space

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<v Speaker 2>to get that out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if this is like considered a

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<v Speaker 1>hot take or not, but I think that sex segregation,

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<v Speaker 1>in most cases, generally speaking, is just kind of silly.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that it comes from like purity and modesty culture,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think both of those are kind of silly.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the humans are the only animals that

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of things, and in many cases it's

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<v Speaker 1>because we have cognitive context if I can summarize it,

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<v Speaker 1>that other animals don't have. But I think shameful pissing

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<v Speaker 1>is not something that is like a high cognitive context thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's that's just from purity culture, is just

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<v Speaker 1>from modesty culture, and and the idea of like bathroom legislation,

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<v Speaker 1>Like now we're creating laws about how.

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<v Speaker 2>Ashamed we are of using the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy, where does before you get to that, I just

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<v Speaker 1>use this thermometer that was not a hot take.

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<v Speaker 4>It in facts that.

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<v Speaker 2>Error okay, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Has no yeah, it doesn't register, Okay, it has no temperature,

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<v Speaker 1>no molecules, good moles that's data. So when when they're

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<v Speaker 1>meeting for the purpose of addressing flood relief, where does

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<v Speaker 1>bathroom legislation land like on your like are just even

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<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, I can't fathom.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just going to quote myself and my notes because

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<v Speaker 4>it's just what that is my stance on this issue.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't fathom being concerned about the bathroom thing. I

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<v Speaker 4>can't like, like, here's the deal right here, here's like

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<v Speaker 4>the the very super big. There's some things I can

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<v Speaker 4>I can almost wrap my head around, you know what

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, Like I can wrap my head around being

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<v Speaker 4>afraid of an afterlife. I can. I can wrap my

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<v Speaker 4>head around racism. I can't understand it, but I can

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<v Speaker 4>wrap my I can see how you got there, just

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm aware of the of the greater societal effects

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<v Speaker 4>that lead to that. Not not that I have any understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>That you relate, but that Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But with the with the bathroom thing, this literally just

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<v Speaker 4>sounds like separate but equal again in my but it's

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<v Speaker 4>not even separate but equal. It's separate. But we're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>beat you up anyway, because any like not any there

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<v Speaker 4>is a large number of trans women who will go

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<v Speaker 4>if they now follow the law that is immediately putting

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<v Speaker 4>themselves in a super dangerous position. There is a huge

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<v Speaker 4>number of trans men who if they now follow the law,

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<v Speaker 4>that is putting them in a super dangerous position. So

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<v Speaker 4>like no matter, it's soup super super intentionally. It's so

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<v Speaker 4>that it's an outing, it's a it's it's it's a

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<v Speaker 4>combination of separate but equal and the wearing of a

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<v Speaker 4>pink triangle. It is a combination of those two things.

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<v Speaker 4>They want to be able to identify you easily, and

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<v Speaker 4>they want to control where you pee, which like, how

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<v Speaker 4>how far are we going to really take this? I

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<v Speaker 4>don't I haven't read the bill, but my mom would

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<v Speaker 4>take me in the women's bathroom when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 4>Are we but like that is there a reservation for

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<v Speaker 4>for for miners or insinuating circumstances, Like like like what

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<v Speaker 4>are we doing? Are we really just picking on marginalized people?

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<v Speaker 4>Is that all we're doing? Are we really not? I

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<v Speaker 4>don't are they even trying to hide it at this

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<v Speaker 4>point anymore? That's that That's what I'm getting to. It

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<v Speaker 4>seems pretty bald faced. It's like, yeah, there was a

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<v Speaker 4>there was a there was a big old flood, and

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<v Speaker 4>I know everybody wants us to get to that. So

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<v Speaker 4>maybe yes, on my on my fuck the trans people thing?

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<v Speaker 4>How about that? How about that, let's just vote yes

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<v Speaker 4>on that one and then we're good. It does.

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<v Speaker 1>See, they're not They're not framing it that way though,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why it's landing with certain people, because what

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<v Speaker 1>they're framing it as is, this is what's going to

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<v Speaker 1>protect women. This is how we make sure men don't

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<v Speaker 1>go on women's restrooms and hurt women. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>As I said, I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Gonna keep ahead because I really think that what I

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<v Speaker 4>have to say is more important. But I'm sorry, Eli, everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know me and.

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<v Speaker 4>Eli well enough to know how that would land.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Tracy and I have known each other for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>So the the thing I'm running into is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of people on the left side of

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<v Speaker 4>politics who are against firearms, and like just in general,

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<v Speaker 4>they they they they're they're not for it at all.

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<v Speaker 4>And one of the common arguments is that, like, these

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<v Speaker 4>laws that you're bringing up won't even fix what you're

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<v Speaker 4>saying they're gonna fix. That is what a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people on the right side of politics will say in

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<v Speaker 4>response to the left side of politics. Bringing up arguments

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<v Speaker 4>against arguments to bring forth legislation that they say, we'll

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<v Speaker 4>fix the problem. A lot of the rebuttal is that

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<v Speaker 4>it won't actually fix that. The exact same argument can

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<v Speaker 4>be used for this. Criminals will figure out how to

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<v Speaker 4>attack your wife anyway. This isn't gonna protect her. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not the guy who the same guy who will change

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<v Speaker 4>everything about his life. And did John just die?

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<v Speaker 2>John is a ghost now, ghost of.

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<v Speaker 4>Ale and translucent John. It scared me. But no, the

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<v Speaker 4>same guy who is going to to change how to

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<v Speaker 4>change how he dresses and take hormones and possibly engage

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<v Speaker 4>in surgery, and change how he presents himself to the

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<v Speaker 4>rest of the world, all for that sweet sweet payoff

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<v Speaker 4>of watching your wife, Pete. If he's really gonna also

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<v Speaker 4>attacker now you've just taken away that way he can

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<v Speaker 4>do it, he's gonna still do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Purpose purpose, The real purpose is very thinly veiled. The

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<v Speaker 3>real purpose is to identify and track people they don't like,

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<v Speaker 3>to out them and to make sure that they are

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<v Speaker 3>embarrassed and everything else. There's a very simple solution to this,

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of places have it, and that's called

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<v Speaker 3>a unisex bathroom.

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<v Speaker 4>That's it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and that's one stom you know, you could have

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<v Speaker 5>one stall bathroom for everybody, and then you can have

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<v Speaker 5>as many of those as you need for the amount

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<v Speaker 5>of people there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, solved And that kind of agrees with well, the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of agrees that is what I was thinking earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, like every every living animal, at every mammal

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<v Speaker 1>at least uses the bathroom, and the idea that we

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<v Speaker 1>have to hide it from everyone else because your body

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<v Speaker 1>is gross and you're a gross and you should be

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<v Speaker 1>ashamed and you're disgusting. It's just it's so silly to

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<v Speaker 1>me and and and I'm using silly to be polite,

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<v Speaker 1>but any number of words could describe it and stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't do us any good.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't remember the last time I even looked

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<v Speaker 1>at somebody in a public bathroom that I didn't already

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<v Speaker 1>know long enough to even have any idea what their

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do that for anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Know a bathroom laugh at people? Come on, what was it?

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<v Speaker 4>Sophia Vergara could be in the bathroom with me, and

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't know because I try really hard not to

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And that does come from like we are sort

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<v Speaker 1>because of how like the societal you know, expectation and

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<v Speaker 3>Because if this is better back in Roman times, everybody

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<v Speaker 3>did that together you know where going and you take

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<v Speaker 4>Each other and you use the communal sponge on a stick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly don't know if that's true or not. It's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty gross. I hope it's not for at least a

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna hope.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say they probably change it out, cleaned it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's let's hope. But it's not that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing is, this purity and modesty culture has

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<v Speaker 1>there are certain times where you just don't look at people,

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<v Speaker 1>and it like nothing bad happens when you see a

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's just the way.

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<v Speaker 3>That it is well with me that people get grossed out.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's just but that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Once again I'm going to that's exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just this idea of like, oh, bodies are supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to look a certain way or they're supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>concealed when they don't look that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Or under certain circumstances. And I could rant it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a view I've held for a while, and I

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder. My thought was what the real motivation for

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<v Speaker 1>the bill is? And I wonder how much of it

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<v Speaker 1>is how like politicians are worried that they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>a volva, and like, all this isn't what I wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>because I remember I was in like seventh or eighth

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<v Speaker 1>grade and there was some scandal about a politician, like

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<v Speaker 1>in the bathroom to like proposition somebody for sex, and.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wonder, I wonder how much of that is

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<v Speaker 2>their motivation as the zero non zero non zero. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, And I did, did you, either of you

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<v Speaker 2>have any final.

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<v Speaker 3>Thoughts just that oppression is oppression, and if you're using

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<v Speaker 3>your religion or you're firmly held beliefs to oppress people,

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<v Speaker 3>you're wrong and you're evil full stop. Sorry, you cannot

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<v Speaker 3>be called a nice or a good person. You're not.

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<v Speaker 3>And so you get to wear that moniker. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're a human, you have human rights, no exceptions,

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<v Speaker 3>full stop. Nothing else to say on that. I know

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<v Speaker 3>we got time, but you know, hey, I already did

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<v Speaker 3>my rant. I'm kind of like I'm not ranted out.

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<v Speaker 3>I have more. Don't worry people, I had plenty of

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<v Speaker 3>rants left, but this one's kind of like so disgusting

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<v Speaker 3>that they wouldn't help find the children that were washed

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<v Speaker 3>away in a flood, but they will worry about whose

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's to me, says it all about who their legislators are.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that they're just evil people, that's all. They're

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<v Speaker 3>just very evil people who don't know can't They couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>tell the truth if they you know, if it was

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<v Speaker 3>shoved up their ass and they grabbed their ass with

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<v Speaker 3>both hands, they couldn't. They couldn't find it. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like don't even talk to me about what

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<v Speaker 3>truth is ever again, people, you know, because you don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what it is, So get the fuck out of

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<v Speaker 3>my life. You don't like my apples, don't shake my tree. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>don't shake that tree.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think, Tracy?

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<v Speaker 4>Hallelujah? But what I'm gonna say is, I'm just really

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<v Speaker 4>tired of talking about Like I feel like part of

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<v Speaker 4>the strategy is to just to just not let go that,

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<v Speaker 4>just just bring it up again, bring it up. And

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just like, can can we like? Is this really

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<v Speaker 4>that big of a deal to you? I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>I've been having to talk about bathrooms since I was

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<v Speaker 4>in high school, which granted isn't a long time ago,

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<v Speaker 4>but it was like a decade. So we've been having

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<v Speaker 4>this same talk. Yes, yes, I'm young, Yes I am

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<v Speaker 4>a baby. It's fine, but I love hearing it. Please

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<v Speaker 4>say it again.

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<v Speaker 3>You're a baby, but you're a cute baby. Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I got you to say something about it, got you

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<v Speaker 4>to say something bout my looks. But I'm just tired

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<v Speaker 4>of talking about it because we've been talking about it

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<v Speaker 4>for for for such a long time, and I genuinely

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<v Speaker 4>don't is it it's just it's a fear or a

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<v Speaker 4>lie either these people, and it's it's it's a fear

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<v Speaker 4>based on a lie. If it is a fear, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's either your you're lying or somebody lied to you.

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<v Speaker 4>And that that's where we're getting back to on this.

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<v Speaker 4>Either you don't genuinely believe this, or somebody who doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>genuinely believe this convinced you of it. And and that's

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<v Speaker 4>where I'm getting to. And I'm so sick and got.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think they've met any trans people. I've met trans.

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<v Speaker 4>I've met a ton trap And let me tell you this,

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<v Speaker 4>there's some trans people that if I met him again,

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<v Speaker 4>I hit them outside the head with a tube by four.

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<v Speaker 4>But that isn't representative of my feelings about trans people

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<v Speaker 4>in general. That's represent that's my feelings about that person.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like just the basics of yeah, if a

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<v Speaker 4>dog bites you, that's not every dog's fault, Like, like,

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<v Speaker 4>can we get that basic message through? Yeah, a dog

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<v Speaker 4>might bite you, they probably won't if you just treat

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<v Speaker 4>them well. But if a dog bites you, that's not

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<v Speaker 4>every dog's fault. And you can't be mad at everyone

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<v Speaker 4>for something you made up in your head.

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<v Speaker 3>It's or for people refusing to believe what you made

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<v Speaker 4>And the thing is, even if you didn't make it

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<v Speaker 4>up in your head, if they had accounts that they

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<v Speaker 4>could pull from, if they had this trans woman attacking

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<v Speaker 4>a child in a bathroom, Okay, that isn't every trans

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<v Speaker 4>person's fault.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if you have that example, that's not a symp.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>If anything, it might be as simple of being a

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<v Speaker 4>person in a position of power. But that's not even ample.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's not that I have to that I think

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<v Speaker 1>nobody is considering, is that this opens up the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that at any time, you know, there, any woman could

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<v Speaker 1>be asked to verify that they have the appropriate genitals

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<v Speaker 1>to be in that bathroom, or any man for that matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody can be asked at any time by the law

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<v Speaker 1>to verify they have the appropriate genitals, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>crazy thing to think about passively.

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<v Speaker 3>Weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I do want to say as well, since

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't get to spend much time talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>actual floods, which is what the special session of the

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<v Speaker 1>State Congress was supposed to be about, and since the

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<v Speaker 1>State Congress chose not to address it in their first day.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to direct you all to bit dot l

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<v Speaker 1>y slash Austin Fund, Austin Flood Fund, bit dot l

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<v Speaker 1>y slash Austin Flood Fund, where you can donate to

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<v Speaker 1>the Care County Flood Relief Fund to help those affected

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<v Speaker 1>by the floods in Texas and check back here this

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